[12:59] <mdke> anyone know how to make an index page which simply redirects to a url?
[01:03] <mdke> don't make me look it up
[01:04] <LaserJock> sorry
[01:09] <mdke> ok, it's a pretty ugly hack, but it'll do for now
[01:09] <mdke> I've put up the docs at the old server at help.ubuntu.com until the wiki move 
[01:10] <Burgwork> the amount I know about html could be safely contained in one cup
[01:10] <mdke> thankfully the internet knows loads more
[01:10] <Burgwork> indeed
[01:13] <mdke> lemme know if there are any problems with it
[01:16] <LaserJock> mdke: Packaging Guide (HTML and PDF) seem to work fine
[01:17] <mdke> ok cool
[03:38] <theCore> the channel seem quiet these days
[03:38] <mdke> yep
[03:39] <theCore> well, maybe it's a good sign
[03:40] <mdke> we need to gather our forces again for the next cycle :)
[03:40] <theCore> quiet channel = productivity
[03:40] <theCore> I hope the Developer will go well
[03:41] <LaserJock> theCore: get cracking on the PG outline :-)
[03:41] <theCore> Developer Summit*
[03:41] <LaserJock> I hope so too
[03:42] <LaserJock> I wish more doc people could go
[03:43] <theCore> LaserJock: I got a outline already
[03:43] <LaserJock> is it on UbuntuPackagingGuide ?
[03:43] <theCore> not yet
[03:43] <LaserJock> I didn't get anything in my email box
[03:45] <theCore> I copied the wiki on my machine, and edit it locally
[03:46] <theCore> so I can use emacs ;)
[03:47] <theCore> LaserJock: any ideas for  the guide?
[03:47] <LaserJock> oh jeeze
[03:47] <LaserJock> it's really that hard to do it on the wiki? ;-)
[03:47] <LaserJock> oh, I have my idea
[03:48] <LaserJock> s
[03:48] <LaserJock> but I want other peoplpe to contribute before I work on it
[03:48] <theCore> LaserJock: I see
[03:48] <LaserJock> if I'm going to be working on the Ubuntu Developer's Reference I need to make sure that I have lots of help for the PG
[03:49] <LaserJock> and it isn't all about me, it is the communities doc
[03:49] <theCore> oh, I didn't heard about this one
[03:49] <LaserJock> theCore: do you know the Debian Developer's Reference? it is on www.debian.org/devel/
[03:50] <theCore> LaserJock: yeah
[03:52] <LaserJock> Ian Jackson (who wrote it and worked on most of the Debian developer docs) started an Ubuntu port of it
[03:52] <LaserJock> but he is also very busy as the Ubuntu firefox guy so he wanted me to take it over
[03:55] <theCore> LaserJock: that sound familiar to me ...
[03:55] <LaserJock> mhm
[03:55] <theCore> LaserJock: did you got the PG the same way?
[03:55] <LaserJock> sort of
[03:58] <theCore> Technical Committee -- chairman: Ian Jackson
[03:58] <theCore> not an average Joe
[04:00] <LaserJock> no
[04:00] <LaserJock> sort of intimidating
[04:00] <LaserJock> but it is also not within the doc team
[04:00] <LaserJock> it is sgml and I have html, pdf, and translations to think about
[04:01] <mdke> the build system is there already, presumably
[04:01] <kbrooks> bbl, bed
[04:01] <LaserJock> mdke: yes, thankfully
[04:02] <theCore> I wonder how the Debian folks are feeling about seeing one of their top developpers playing with Ubuntu
[04:02] <LaserJock> well, there are others
[04:03] <theCore> does sgml is close to docbook?
[04:03] <mdke> yeah
[04:03] <LaserJock> yes, I think so
[04:04] <theCore> I think it's mostly the same thing, isn't it?
[04:04] <theCore> so, converting it to docbook will be easy
[04:05] <LaserJock> welll, I don't think I'll be doing that
[04:06] <LaserJock> it is set up with the debian doc system and I don't wan to mess with that
[04:06] <mdke> you can't
[04:07] <LaserJock> can't what?
[04:07] <mdke> you'll be trying to ensure that you can just patch the debian version
[04:07] <mdke> you can't convert it to docbook
[04:07] <LaserJock> I guess I could, but I don't think that would be wise
[04:11] <theCore> so, the guide will be just an Ubuntu-ized version of the Debian Developer's Reference?
[04:12] <LaserJock> it will be the Ubuntu Developer's Reference and yes it is Ubuntuizing the DDR
[04:14] <theCore> then we are better to keep it to sgml, so if there are changes on the Debian side, we can merge them back into our guide
[04:14] <LaserJock> yeah, and it is its own package
[04:15] <theCore> LaserJock: I submitted a few ideas on the wiki
[04:16] <LaserJock> great
[04:35] <Madpilot> Burgundavia: ping
[04:35] <Burgundavia> Madpilot: pong
[04:36] <Madpilot> ah, you are home already
[04:36] <Madpilot> I actually wanted the real install disc, not the LiveCD disc - I know how to use the old-fashioned installer...
[04:36] <LaserJock> hi Madpilot and Burgundavia 
[04:36] <Burgundavia> well then you should have told me
[04:36] <Burgundavia> live with yer livecd, boy
[04:37] <Madpilot> Burgundavia: I thought I had - I asked for an install disc
[04:37] <theCore> LaserJock: so, any comments?
[04:37] <Burgundavia> you did and one you got
[04:37] <LaserJock> that is why they have been renamed to Desktop Cd and Alternate CD
[04:37] <Madpilot> Can the LiveCD installer be trusted around existing partitions? I haven't got most of my stuff backed up, and if this thing eats /home I'll be highly unimpressed...
[04:37] <robotgeek> the uncool installer
[04:38] <LaserJock> theCore: hmm, let me hack on it for a sec
[04:38] <robotgeek> Madpilot: file a bug
[04:38] <Burgundavia> yes, it can be
[04:38] <Burgundavia> it has not yet eaten my window install
[04:38] <Madpilot> Burgundavia: too bad ;)
[04:38] <LaserJock> it ate all my stuff on Flight7
[04:38] <LaserJock> more or less
[04:38] <Burgundavia> LaserJock: flight7 was a while ago
[04:38] <Madpilot> LaserJock: hopefully that was just Flight7, not this final release LiveCD...
[04:39] <LaserJock> I don't think so but I thought the partitioner sucked
[04:39] <Madpilot> meh. It can read existing partition tables, at least?
[04:39] <Burgundavia> yes
[04:39] <Madpilot> OK... here goes nothing...
[04:40] <LaserJock> that's right, be adventurous
[04:41] <Madpilot> thanks... I think
[04:42] <Madpilot> I really need to set money aside for a 2nd HDD, just in case Edgy fubars my system too :|
[04:43] <robotgeek> i'm only going to vmware from now on :)
[04:44] <robotgeek> or Xen
[04:44] <theCore> robotgeek: what is vmware, btw?
[04:44] <Madpilot> that still needs a base OS to run on, and mine is currently borked
[04:44] <robotgeek> theCore: allows you to run a different OS instance on top of another
[04:45] <robotgeek> you could run linux on windows, windows on linux and so on
[04:45] <Madpilot> um, should I just delete sda1, re-create it, and make sure it's designated as root? I can't see a way of saying "Use this existing partition as root, and delete everything in it first"
[04:45] <theCore> robotgeek: looks cool, must be slow
[04:48] <robotgeek> theCore: actually no, its decent
[04:49] <Madpilot> where the heck is the 'use this partition as root' flag in this graphical thing?
[04:49] <Madpilot> anyone?
[04:50] <LaserJock> honestly, I'm not sure
[04:50] <theCore> robotgeek: anyway, i didn't used Windows for a year now, and I don't plan to use it soon, thanks for the info
[04:51] <theCore> Madpilot: I think it's to make the partition only readable (or mountable) by root
[04:51] <robotgeek> theCore: could work like a chroot too, run breezy in dapper, edgy in dapper and so on
[04:52] <theCore> ahh
[04:52] <theCore> / <- root
[04:53] <theCore> Madpilot: it's the mount point of the partition
[04:53] <Madpilot> yeah, I know. Apparently this livecd installer does things in a different order from the text installer, though
[04:54] <Madpilot> in the 'real' installer, you set up all your paritions & assign roles to them at once. Apparently the gui thing does partitions first, then assigns roles in the next screen...
[04:55] <LaserJock> ah
[05:03] <LaserJock> hi jsgotangco 
[05:04] <jsgotangco> good morning
[05:04] <LaserJock> to much Dapper partying?
[05:05] <Madpilot> right, I just hit the Install button... here goes...
[05:05] <Madpilot> ;)
[05:05] <LaserJock> wow, if you got that far it should work ok
[05:05] <jsgotangco> LaserJock: we went to karaoke last night
[05:06] <jsgotangco> i feel like i have this huge gash on top of my palate
[05:07] <Madpilot> jsgotangco: it's retribution for inflicting karaoke on the universe, that's what it is. :)
[05:07] <jsgotangco> lol
[05:12] <jsgotangco> hmm how do i erase a cd in default gnome?
[05:12] <jsgotangco> cdrw rather
[05:12] <Madpilot> Gnomebaker?
[05:13] <jsgotangco> well that's installing one more app
[05:13] <jsgotangco> i was looking for something in the default
[05:13] <Madpilot> can Nautilus?
[05:13] <jsgotangco> nautilus can burn
[05:13] <Madpilot> I should buy a CDRW or two and check...
[05:14] <Madpilot> ah, Installation is apparently complete (that was fast)... I will now reboot, and see what's working...
[05:20] <LaserJock> k3b?
[05:20] <mgalvin> jsgotangco: just use cdrecord to do it
[05:21] <jsgotangco> console? yuck
[05:21] <jsgotangco> :)
[05:21] <mgalvin> :)
[05:21] <mgalvin> heres are few examples
[05:21] <LaserJock> xcdroast!
[05:21] <mgalvin> http://www.cpqlinux.com/cdrw.html
[05:22] <jsgotangco> LaserJock: k3b is probably the best burner atm although its a kde app
[05:22] <mgalvin> at least its part of the default install
[05:22] <jsgotangco> (best burner frontend rather)
[05:22] <LaserJock> I know but you went from nautilus to k3b
[05:23] <LaserJock> gnomebaker seemed really nice to me
[05:24] <mgalvin> nautilus uses cdrecord to do its bidding anyway
[05:24] <LaserJock> don't they all
[05:24] <jsgotangco> NOTE: this version of cdrecord is an inofficial (modified) release of cdrecord
[05:24] <jsgotangco>       and thus may have bugs that are not present in the original version.
[05:24] <jsgotangco>       Please send bug reports and support requests to <cdrtools@packages.debian. org>.
[05:24] <jsgotangco>       The original author should not be bothered with problems of this version.
[05:25] <mgalvin> LaserJock: probably, i'm not sure though
[05:25] <LaserJock> k3b uses cdrecord
[05:26] <mgalvin> jsgotangco: it always says that, just ignore it :-/
[05:29] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco: that is because the upstream author of cdrecord is very hard to work with
[05:32] <theCore> LaserJock: have you done with the editing?
[05:34] <LaserJock> nope
[05:34] <LaserJock> I'm slow
[05:34] <LaserJock> and I had to do some things around the house ;-)
[05:38] <Madpilot> back - everything seems to have worked!
[05:39] <LaserJock> Madpilot: \o/
[05:39] <Madpilot> gah... why does 'killall gnome-panel' kill XChat too?
[05:39] <LaserJock> umm, because it isn't a part of gnome-panel
[05:41] <Lathiat> probably because it has a tray icon
[05:41] <Lathiat> and crashes when the tray disappears
[05:41] <Lathiat> as some thigns tended to do
[05:41] <Lathiat> altho many were fixee
[05:41] <Lathiat> d
[05:41] <Madpilot> evidently XChat hasn't been fixed...
[05:51] <theCore> hmm... the Makefile is broken
[05:51] <theCore> cp -r ../generic/serverguide/C/sample/* ../build/ubuntu/serverguide/C/sample/
[05:51] <theCore> cp: cannot stat `../generic/serverguide/C/sample/*': No such file or directory
[05:51] <theCore> make[1] : *** [server]  Error 1
[05:51] <theCore> make[1] : Leaving directory `/home/alex/docs/ubuntu-docs/ubuntu'
[05:51] <theCore> make: *** [website]  Error 2
[05:57] <Burgundavia> hmm, too bad D has already been done: http://www.weebls-stuff.com/toons/dugong/
[06:04] <theCore> Burgundavia: that is the most annoying animation loop I ever saw
[06:04] <Burgundavia> theCore: really, I am sure i could find worse
[06:04] <theCore> Burgundavia: wait, no it come in second place
[06:04] <Madpilot> ...after the badger one? ;)
[06:05] <theCore> that's the one: http://www.zombo.com/
[06:10] <LaserJock> theCore: ok, I updated it
[06:11] <theCore> LaserJock: "Experience users who"
[06:17] <theCore> LaserJock: btw, which mail client do you use?
[06:17] <LaserJock> oh, thunderbird, Mail.app, mutt, pine
[06:17] <theCore> Mail.app?
[06:18] <theCore> a mac app?
[06:18] <Burgundavia> theCore: I have found somethign more annoying: http://www.weebls-stuff.com/toons/aaaaaaaaaaaaahaha/
[06:18] <theCore> Burgundavia: impossible
[06:18] <LaserJock> theCore: yeah, I use an iMac for most things
[06:19] <theCore> LaserJock: is it good? it seem a lot of web developpers are using Mac these days
[06:20] <theCore> Burgundavia: ok, I can handle anymore
[06:20] <theCore> s/dle/dle it/
[06:20] <LaserJock> theCore: I like it except for the fact that there is hardly any good free software
[06:21] <theCore> Burgundavia: yeah, it's even more annoying than Zombo.com
[06:21] <Burgundavia> theCore: hah
[06:22] <Burgundavia> LaserJock: I am enjoying the randomness of flash on teh net
[06:22] <theCore> LaserJock: yeah, switching to a Mac seem to imply a switch from free software to shareware
[06:24] <theCore> Burgundavia: ok, that site is so funny
[06:24] <LaserJock> theCore: well, not Mac specifically (you can put linux on it after all) but it is on par with Windows (from what I've seen) when it comes to non-free ($0) software
[06:24] <theCore> Burgundavia: it's so random
[06:26] <LaserJock> I would definately dual boot with Ubuntu/OSX rather than Ubuntu/Windows XP
[06:26] <theCore> LaserJock: the GUI on Mac is sexy, I must give that. I wish that Gnome come par to Aqua, if it does it will be a giant win
[06:26] <LaserJock> meh
[06:26] <theCore> s/Mac/OSX/
[06:27] <LaserJock> I think it should be differnt, why try to clone somebody else's product
[06:27] <LaserJock> Gnome is sweet (KDE too for that matter) and I think all the GUIs have their pro's and con's
[06:28] <LaserJock> that's not to say that we can't learn anything from OSZ
[06:28] <theCore> LaserJock: not cloning, but offering a higher-level of interactivity would make Gnome much usable
[06:28] <LaserJock> OSX
[06:29] <theCore> I think OSX is becoming much more dangerous than 
[06:29] <theCore> windows
[06:29] <LaserJock> I don't know, I still use OS X as a glorified terminal
[06:30] <Burgundavia> theCore: they both present strategic threats, but I think MS is still the bigger threat than Apple
[06:30] <LaserJock> as far as a threat to Ubuntu I think OSX is bigger
[06:31] <theCore> Apple aims the developpers and the artists; those we need to get on our side
[06:31] <LaserJock> in my field, I have seen people go from Windows -> OSX, Linux -> OS X, Windows -> Linux, but never OSX -> Linux  or OSX -> Windows
[06:31] <LaserJock> theCore: also scientists
[06:32] <theCore> LaserJock: bizzare
[06:32] <LaserJock> lots and lots of scientists
[06:32] <theCore> LaserJock: indeed
[06:32] <LaserJock> you get the Unix underpinnings with an easy to use interface
[06:32] <theCore> "Unix"
[06:33] <LaserJock> people who would rather drop dead then use Windows will use OSX with out to much of a problem
[06:34] <robotgeek> OS X's unix sucks!
[06:34] <LaserJock> my boss ran *nix for probally 20 years and this year he has converted the whole lab (virtually) to OS X
[06:34] <theCore> the problem right is that Linux hasn't a lot of killer apps for the end-users
[06:35] <LaserJock> in my field I think the biggest problem is the perception that Linux is not a desktop OS
[06:35] <LaserJock> they don't mind using it for a computational server
[06:35] <theCore> Apache is probably the biggest killer apps for Linux, but end-users don't care about building server
[06:37] <theCore> even if Linux is 10x faster for statistical computing?
[06:37] <theCore> compared to OS X
[06:37] <LaserJock> 10x?
[06:38] <LaserJock> oh yeah, we use Linux exclusively for computational clusters and servers
[06:38] <LaserJock> but I'm the only one in the department that presently usese Linux as a desktop OS
[06:39] <LaserJock> out of ~ 100 people
[06:39] <theCore> LaserJock: the XNU hybrid kernel is a turtle compared to Linux
[06:39] <LaserJock> theCore: I have no idea, but my iMac is the fastest computer available to me
[06:39] <LaserJock> :-)
[06:40] <theCore> LaserJock: that is where Ubuntu is changing the rules, the Desktop
[06:40] <LaserJock> yeah, that's why I started with the MOTU and Edubuntu
[06:40] <LaserJock> to bring desktop Linux to scientists
[06:42] <theCore> I hope with Edgy we will push the desktop even further
[06:42] <LaserJock> there is a ways to go still, but we are making progress
[06:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> theCore, its not the kernel at frault afaik, apple just stuffed up somewhat 
[06:44] <theCore> Xgl seem to a good opportunity
[06:45] <Burgundavia> xgl has issues among the xorg devs
[06:45] <LaserJock> all I know is that the fastest computers in the department are all Apples
[06:45] <theCore> Burgundavia: really?
[06:46] <theCore> Kamping_Kaiser: I wonder what it is then
[06:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> theCore, i hear macos x memory management is something shocking
[06:47] <Burgundavia> theCore: yep
[06:47] <Burgundavia> the whole "new X server thing" has got them a little annoyed
[06:48] <theCore> Kamping_Kaiser: memory isn't managed by the kernel?
[06:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> theCore, i dont remember how it works (wonder if  ihave the link still), but i saw someone be less tehn complementry about the way apple had worked the memory mangement
[06:50] <theCore> I wonder how we could bring artists to Linux .... 
[06:50] <LaserJock> by making it a professional look OS that has apps that have the functionality they need
[06:50] <theCore> Kamping_Kaiser: I think I saw a page on that
[06:50] <Burgundavia> create a great plaform and they will come
[06:50] <LaserJock> just like any other group :-)
[06:52] <LaserJock> it might be easier to say how to *not* bring <group> to Linux
[06:52] <theCore> that's a bit self-referential, to get artists, you need artists...
[06:53] <LaserJock> yep
[06:53] <theCore> but everything is like that
[06:53] <theCore> to get <group>, you need <group>
[06:54] <LaserJock> but I do think there are things we can do in general to help attract all groups, I think
[06:54] <theCore> because they're the only who know what they need
[06:54] <theCore> LaserJock: I hope so
[06:56] <LaserJock> however, some of the things are sort of anti-Linux philosophy so I'm not sure they'll ever work
[06:56] <theCore> like?
[06:56] <robotgeek> yeah, some people are totally anti linux. 
[06:57] <LaserJock> IMHO, we have too much redundant software
[06:57] <theCore> robotgeek: really?
[06:57] <theCore> LaserJock: good point
[06:57] <robotgeek> theCore: yes, everyone has their share of irrationality
[06:57] <Burgundavia> LaserJock: redundant software is solved by better software and better social practices
[06:57] <theCore> LaserJock: just look at the distros
[06:57] <LaserJock> choice is good until we start diluting our resources until we have thousands of pieces of crap
[06:58] <robotgeek> wow, xubuntu looks sweet!
[06:58] <LaserJock> the Linux science software is full of half-baked ideas that never really got anywhere
[06:58] <theCore> LaserJock: at least Ubuntu is doing a job at bringing peoples together
[06:58] <LaserJock> I agree
[06:58] <theCore> a good job*
[06:59] <LaserJock> Burgundavia: I agree
[06:59] <robotgeek> LaserJock: for example, look for a decent image processing library
[07:00] <LaserJock> at this point I can't say to my boss, "Look Linux has superior software to the stuff you can buy us for OS X"
[07:00] <theCore> there something we must not forget: quality worth more than policy
[07:00] <Burgundavia> LaserJock: what is needed is a group of app devs together and work on stuff in common
[07:01] <theCore> it's not enough to be open-source, it must be good
[07:01] <LaserJock> Burgundavia: totally
[07:01] <Burgundavia> LaserJock: you are well placed to start that kind of conversation
[07:01] <theCore> Burgundavia: it could be great
[07:01] <LaserJock> if Linux in general was an extension of how I see Ubuntu working then I think we could make great strides
[07:02] <Burgundavia> one of these days I am going to get all the app makers of gtk+ education apps together and hash some things out
[07:02] <LaserJock> yeah!
[07:02] <theCore> +1 for a ubuntu app-dev group 
[07:02] <robotgeek> scilab vs octave vs scipy vs numpy (all of them do the same thing, differently)
[07:02] <Burgundavia> I think all they need is the idea that there app may be shipped
[07:02] <LaserJock> exactly
[07:03] <robotgeek> i picked scipy, ended up reading stuff from Matlab documentation
[07:04] <theCore> I hope that conversation will continue to Ubuntu Developer's Summit
[07:05] <LaserJock> if we could get together in a spirit of cooperation and teamwork we can start pulling things together
[07:05] <theCore> and drop the zealotry
[07:06] <LaserJock> well, zealotry for quality open-source software we need to keep ;-)
[07:06] <theCore> haha, I hope you're being sarcarstic :P
[07:09] <theCore> that make me remember something: http://mitpress.mit.edu/sicp/full-text/book/book-Z-H-3.html 
[07:09] <theCore> "Don't feel as if you're Bible salesmen."
[07:13] <theCore> pushing the limits of computing; that's what peoples should aims for
[08:02] <Madpilot> I think we should have a feed from ELER on the Fridge :)
[08:04] <Madpilot> http://geekz.co.uk/lovesraymond/archive/terrorismistic
[01:18] <ploum_> Hello
[09:59] <pygi> mdke, what happened this time? :)
[10:00] <mdke> I've been battling against fop, and have succeeded in vanquishing it
[10:01] <pygi> o joy, congrats :)
[10:10] <theCore> yay, activity!
[10:11] <pygi> theCore, Lol :)
[10:12] <theCore> it been 5+ hour without anything happen here
[10:12] <mdke> 14 to be precise
[10:13] <pygi> o joy :)
[10:14] <mdke> pygi: you are very joyful today
[10:14] <pygi> mdke, hehe :)
[10:16] <pygi> mdke, rather that then to be sad :)
[10:16] <mdke> quite
[10:32] <pygi> mdke, what will we print?
[10:33] <pygi> desktop guides?
[10:33] <mdke> everything
[10:33] <pygi> mdke, then you shall help me someday to prepare cookbook for lulu? :)
[10:33] <mdke> sure, we can do that for edgy, if you convert it to docbook
[10:34] <pygi> we'll even have this version in docbook
[10:34] <mdke> in _valid_ docbook?
[10:35] <pygi> yes, valid docbook :)
[10:36] <mdke> jolly good
[10:36] <mdke> it'd be nice to see edubuntu docs working nicely in our repo alongside the {x//k}ubuntu ones
[10:38] <mdke> at the moment we only have releasenotes/aboutedubuntu/school-advocacy
[10:41] <pygi> yup, I know
[10:41] <pygi> I have to poke around ubuntu-doc list so me and Susan could get svn access
[10:43] <mdke> cool
[10:43] <mdke> we always like new help :)
[10:44] <pygi> I am always willing to help ;)
[10:44] <pygi> Altought I'll try to avoid the thing which I done with network-manager :P
[10:44] <pygi> (one week no sleep)
[10:44] <mdke> heh
[10:47] <theCore> mdke: well, it's not suitable to all tastes ...
[10:48] <mdke> theCore: sorry?
[10:48] <mdke> ah, the desktop guide
[10:48] <mdke> it's offensive, you think?
[10:48] <theCore> mdke: yeah, you need to be a geek 
[10:49] <theCore> not offensive
[10:49] <mdke> I don't think you need to be a geek
[10:49] <mdke> hope not anyway
[10:52] <mdke> ah, my bad
[10:54] <mdke> pygi: here is the list of what we are publishing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MatthewEast/CompleteBookTranslations
[10:56] <theCore> mdke: what did you choosed for the cover?
[10:56] <pygi> mdke, why not also croatian desktop guide? :p
[10:57] <mdke> pygi: it wasn't translated in time
[10:57] <mdke> theCore: Madpilot has been handling it, I think I have a copy somewhere, hang on
[10:57] <pygi> mdke, ah, well :)
[10:57] <mdke> pygi: we'll add it when we update the translations next
[10:58] <pygi> mdke, nah, don't worry ;)
[10:59] <mdke> pygi: well, I intend to add all the new ones when we update the translations. Do you want me to make an exception for hr?
[10:59] <mdke> theCore: sorry, can't find it
[10:59] <pygi> mdke, nop, I was just worried that you would work just for hr
[11:00] <pygi> if you are adding all, then this one can be good as well ;)
[11:00] <theCore> mdke:  ok, thanks for trying
[11:01] <mdke> pygi: if you can translate the other guides too, I'll add them
[11:02] <pygi> mdke, oki, I might give it a try
[11:05] <theCore> mdke: do you know how the karma thing in launchpad works?
[11:06] <mdke> theCore: if you do uploads, file bugs, add specs or add translations, you get karma 
[11:07] <theCore> mdke: do you know how the total is calulated?
[11:07] <mdke> theCore: no
[11:07] <theCore> mdke: I just wandering how much karma do you have?
[11:08] <mdke> not sure, you can look
[11:08] <theCore> oh, ok
[11:08] <mdke> 20185
[11:08] <theCore> mdke: O_o
[11:09] <theCore> mdke: I have a merely 334pt
[11:09] <mdke> oh well. File more bugs!
[11:09] <theCore> I merely have*
[11:09] <Laser_away> I've only got 5500+
[11:09] <theCore> only?
[11:09] <mdke> Laser_away: you SUCK
[11:10] <LaserJock> I do
[11:11] <mdke> tut, no full stop at the end of the abstract
[11:11] <LaserJock> woot \o/
[11:12] <crimsun> barely over 30k :(
[11:12] <theCore> go*
[11:14] <mdke>   
[11:14] <pygi> mdke, any chance you know when are langpacks updates?
[11:14] <LaserJock> mdke: what's that
[11:14] <mdke> LaserJock: shame on you
[11:14] <mdke> pygi: after about a month I guess
[11:14] <mdke> LaserJock:             .
[11:15] <pygi> mdke, thanks
[11:18] <LaserJock> ack, all I see is a bunch of \u codes
[11:18] <mdke> oh right. You must be on some inferior operating system
[11:18] <mdke> it's the abstract from the packaging guide in korean
[11:19] <LaserJock> ah cool
[11:24] <LaserJock> hmm, I wonder if irssi just doesn't like unicode
[11:25] <mdke> yeah, you need to set some option
[11:27] <LaserJock> doh, so I forgot a . ?
[11:27] <mdke> yeah, you'll be judged on that
[11:28] <mdke> :(
[11:29] <Laser_away> that stinks
[11:30] <mdke> mm?
[11:30] <LaserJock> I should have seen that
[11:31] <mdke> it's so trivial
[11:31] <LaserJock> but annoying
[11:32] <LaserJock> darn, I was hoping Corey was around
[11:34] <LaserJock> I'm so excited about the Packaging Guide and Developer's Reference for Edgy
[11:36] <pygi> LaserJock, :)
[11:36] <LaserJock> pygi, and of course I'll be eager to see how the Edubuntu cookbook goes too
[11:36] <LaserJock> :-)
[11:36] <pygi> LaserJock, hehe :)
[11:37] <pygi> It's called "How To Cook Edubuntu?", remember? :)
[11:38] <LaserJock> yeah, I have a hard time remembering that
[11:38] <LaserJock> Edubuntu Cookbook sound more natural to my American ears :-)
[11:38] <pygi> well, it is actually Edubuntu Cookbook,it's just named the way it's named :P
[11:41] <LaserJock> so when will they be available to buy?
[11:41] <pygi> LaserJock, should be right now
[11:41] <mdke> once Madpilot has done the covers and we've uploaded those
[11:41] <pygi> ah, covers ;)
[11:42] <LaserJock> I'll try to get my Grandpa to buy the Packaging Guide when it's up ;-)
[11:43] <pygi> LaserJock, lol :)
[11:44] <LaserJock> he was interested in lulu.com when I was over there last weekend
[11:44] <pygi> I saw cafepress also offers book printing
[11:44] <pygi> not sure how cafepress and lulu compare tho
[11:45] <mdke> me neither
[11:45] <mdke> lulu is great though
[11:45] <pygi> what type on "bindings" are we doing?
[11:46] <mdke> erm
[11:46] <mdke> thingy
[11:46] <mdke> Perfect Bound
[11:47] <pygi> there is paperback and Hardcover if I am not mistaken
[11:47] <mdke> it's Perfect Bound
[11:47] <mdke> there are a few types of paperback
[11:48] <pygi> hm,ok
[11:52] <LaserJock> mdke: did the wiki get moved yet?
[11:53] <mdke> no :-(
[11:54] <mdke> monday hopefully
[11:55] <LaserJock> k
[11:55] <LaserJock> but the docs have moved?
[11:56] <mdke> eh?
[11:57] <LaserJock> help.ubuntu.com/6.06 is now default when you go to help.ubuntu.com
[11:57] <mdke> that's still the old server
[12:00] <theCore> mdke: did you made changes in the Makefiles recently?
[12:00] <mdke> theCore: probably
[12:01] <theCore> because, right now the Makefile is so broken
[12:01] <mdke> works fine for me
[12:01] <theCore> fop.sh? 
[12:02] <theCore> where is this script?
[12:02] <mdke> read branches/dapper/libs/pdf/README
[12:05] <theCore> does the main trunk works fine?