[01:00] <sistpoty> hi folks
[01:01] <crimsun> hi sistpoty :)
[01:01] <sistpoty> seems like I missed the dapper release
[01:02] <LaserJock> what? Dapper was released?!?! ;-)
[01:03] <crimsun> dude, no, we skipped dapper and went straight to edgy, because edgy has ponies.
[01:04] <LaserJock> ohhhh, poooonnnies :-)
[01:05] <ajmitch> morning
[01:06] <ajmitch> ZOMG PONIES!!!\
[01:06] <ajmitch> sorry
[01:06] <ajmitch> I'll calm down now
[01:06] <Erl[Work] > poniges?
[01:06] <Erl[Work] > err
[01:06] <Erl[Work] > ponies?
[01:06] <ajmitch> yes, ponies
[01:07] <sistpoty> yeehaa
[01:08] <sistpoty> phew... I'm just trying to figure some code of revu2... I must admit that I don't have much clue after this long time not working on revu2 :(
[01:09] <ajmitch> hey sistpoty
[01:10] <sistpoty> hey ajmitch
[01:14] <LaserJock> yeah, are we going to have a REVU2 day/week or something?
[01:14] <sistpoty> not sure... there's still too much stuff to code actually :(
[01:15] <LaserJock> well, a REVU2 sprint then?
[01:15] <imbrandon> revu2  ?
[01:17] <sistpoty> imbrandon: it's like revu but much cooler... and it's vaporware since quite some time ;)
[01:17] <ajmitch> fun times, discussing the spec at UBZ
[01:17] <imbrandon> heh
[01:17] <imbrandon> ajmitch did you get a sec to look at my reupload on revu ?
[01:17] <ajmitch> nope
[01:18] <imbrandon> kk
[01:18] <LaserJock> I'd love to help out with REVU2 but my Python skills are probably lacking quite a bit
[01:18] <ajmitch> there's plenty of time until edgy feature freeze
[01:18] <LaserJock> well, that and I'm doing like a million things for Edgy already
[01:18] <ajmitch> yay, mdz has posted a potential timeline for edgy
[01:19] <imbrandon> ohh yea i know , was just curious since thats the first time i've actualy done a full package
[01:19] <imbrandon> ;)
[01:19] <ajmitch> spec like mad until the 18th!
[01:19] <LaserJock> ajmitch: I got handed the Ubuntu Developer's  Reference today
[01:19] <ajmitch> LaserJock: sweet!
[01:19] <ajmitch> how does it look?
[01:19] <ajmitch> can you share it with us mortals?
[01:19] <imbrandon> nice LaserJocker
[01:19] <ajmitch> or is it only for Real Developers? ;)
[01:19] <LaserJock> well, Ian just got started with it, so it is going to take a lot of work I think
[01:20] <Toadstool> heya everybody!
[01:20] <imbrandon> moins
[01:20] <LaserJock> ajmitch: it is based on the DDR though so it should look familiar :-)
[01:20] <Toadstool> nice, revu2 trac was spammed...
[01:21] <LaserJock> spammed? those evil DD's trying to mess up our nice little 0ubuntuX factory :-)
[01:21] <Toadstool> ;)
[01:23] <ajmitch> burn the DDs!
[01:23] <LaserJock> they turned me into a newt :'(
[01:23] <ajmitch> heh
[01:23] <LaserJock> but I got better ;-)
[01:24] <ajmitch> are you going to test if they float?
[01:24] <LaserJock> perhaps
[01:25] <LaserJock> hmm, perhaps we can weigh sabdfl vs Towns
[01:27] <ajmitch> no contest
[01:27] <ajmitch> aj is a midget
[01:27] <imbrandon> but does aj have a pony ?
[01:27] <ajmitch> probably
[01:28] <ajmitch> BDDEBIAN!!1
[01:28] <imbrandon> heh
[01:28] <sistpoty> hehe
[01:28] <imbrandon> heya bddebian
[01:28] <Toadstool> hi bddebian
[01:28] <bddebian> Heya folks!  ajmitch, imbrandon, Toadstool, sistpoty :-)
[01:28] <sistpoty> hi bddebian
[01:29] <ajmitch> ah, cockfosters
[01:29] <LaserJock> t
[01:30] <bddebian> Oh and Hi LaserJock :-)
[01:30] <ajmitch> bddebian: did you bring a pony?
[01:30] <bddebian> Sure
[01:30] <ajmitch> excellent
[01:30] <LaserJock> bddebian: it's hard to know who to say hi to when I see you say hi in 4 different places :-)
[01:31] <bddebian> Yeah, sorry :-)
[01:31] <ajmitch> spamming the channels
[01:31] <Toadstool> sistpoty: is the revu2 svn repos available for checkouts using http or something? I'd like to play with the code and see if I can help but I can't find any url in the wiki :/
[01:31] <LaserJock> Toadstool: no it is a closed source, heavily guarded secret
[01:31] <Toadstool> :)
[01:31] <LaserJock> ;-)
[01:31] <ajmitch> mmm, dapper-changes
[01:31] <sistpoty> Toadstool: it was at least... not sure if it still is... give me a sec
[01:32] <ajmitch> sweet GNOME 2.14.2
[01:32] <Toadstool> sistpoty: thanks
[01:32] <LaserJock> ajmitch: where?
[01:32] <ajmitch> LaserJock: just a few packages for now
[01:32] <ajmitch> like zenity, pessulus, glib2.0
[01:32] <ajmitch> deskbar-applet
[01:32] <Toadstool> I don't want to have to copy/paste the code from trac browser :p
[01:33] <sistpoty> Toadstool: revu2 svn: http://tiber.tauware.de/svn/revu2
[01:34] <Toadstool> cool, thanks :)
[01:34] <sistpoty> np
[01:34] <TheMuso> Whats better in revu2?
[01:34] <sistpoty> TheMuso: it can make coffee and will have lot's of ponies ;)
[01:35] <TheMuso> heh
[01:35] <sistpoty> and it's not that kind of hack revu1 currently (still) is... but has a more robust codebase
[01:35] <LaserJock> it will be soooo worth it to see the ponies on LP ;-)
[01:36] <sistpoty> :)
[01:36] <ajmitch> there are some cool backgrounds in ubuntu now
[01:36] <ajmitch> like those of the international space station ;)
[01:37] <LaserJock> I wonder how much they had to pay for those? ;-)
[01:37] <ajmitch> probably about 20 million or so
[01:37] <ajmitch> tourists...
[01:37] <ajmitch> "Ubuntu has the most expensive background images of any distribution out there"
[01:38] <bddebian> heh
[01:38] <imbrandon> just please tell me it will still keep me registerd and i dont have to do some pgp signing hoops and i'll be happy
[01:39] <TheMuso> Ah. We now know when edgy will be opened.
[01:39] <imbrandon> TheMuso: we do ?
[01:39] <ajmitch> TheMuso: yes, in a few days
[01:39] <LaserJock> imbrandon: eventually it will use your LP id
[01:39] <TheMuso> Yeah I know.
[01:39] <ajmitch> imbrandon: see -devel list
[01:39] <imbrandon> ahh
[01:40] <LaserJock> for some stupid reason I've got -announce on a digest
[01:40] <LaserJock> so I got the digest today
[01:40] <TheMuso> heh
[01:40] <LaserJock> and it had dholbach's Hug Day annoucment from like the 16th
[01:42] <TheMuso> me should really get onto -announce
[01:43] <ajmitch> ah, it was -devel-announce, was it?
[01:43] <TheMuso> Smart that.
[01:44] <ajmitch> only smart if I make sure I read all the -devel mail :)
[01:45] <TheMuso> heh
[01:45] <ajmitch> true that
[01:45] <TheMuso> I still skim -devel, only because I may miss an interesting message otherwise.
[01:45] <TheMuso> ...and I don't want to do that.
[01:46] <TheMuso> The most reading I have to do for -devel is when I first check my mail for the day.
[01:46] <TheMuso> Even then I mostly read subjects only, and delete ones I am not interested in.
[01:46] <Yagisan> still, compared to d-d, u-d has a higher signal to noise recently, especially after someones recent outburst
[01:46] <ajmitch> heh
[01:47] <TheMuso> outburst?
[01:47] <Toadstool> er, falling asleep on my keyboard... 'night everybody
[01:47] <ajmitch> which one?
[01:47] <Yagisan> TheMuso: the secretary saw a legit id, that wasn't government issuesd and flipped out
[01:47] <ajmitch> night Toadstool
[01:48] <bddebian> Gnight ToadZzZztool
[01:48] <Yagisan> night ToadZzZztool
[01:48] <Yagisan> TheMuso: very much a non-issue, as you shouldn't sign a key if you don't feel the id, identifies the person in front of you
[01:49] <TheMuso> um ok
[01:49] <Yagisan> TheMuso: d-d
[01:49] <TheMuso> oh ok
[01:50] <TheMuso> I'm not on that. :)
[01:50] <LaserJock> oh for goodness sakes, that is so dumb
[01:51] <Yagisan> and yet, it appears to still be going. If it keeps up Edgy + 2 will beat Etch out the door
[01:53] <Yagisan> hmm. why do users feel they can abuse developers about bugs ?
[01:54] <LaserJock> ?
[01:54] <imbrandon> becouse they are ignorant about the hard work often for free that they put into projects
[01:54] <imbrandon> they == developers
[01:55] <Yagisan> LaserJock: doing bug triage for my upstream project, and received a torrent of abuse for my efforts
[01:55] <bddebian> Such is the nature unfortunately :-(
[01:56] <Yagisan> I understand why the other devs where happy for me to triage. They must be burnt out from that
[01:56] <Yagisan> StevenK: come on, it's like neighbours, a new drama every day
[01:57] <StevenK> Yagisan: Yes, the same drama that was on Home and Away a week ago.
[01:57] <StevenK> I swear the writers for those two shows are the same people.
[01:57] <Yagisan> StevenK: they are different shows ?!?
[01:58] <Yagisan> StevenK: I can't tell them apart
[02:01] <StevenK> The different actors give it away.
[02:04] <Yagisan> StevenK: actors ? you must be joking. I've seen better acting in a toilet bowl.
[02:04] <bddebian> heh
[02:08] <ajmitch> Yagisan: you haven't seen shortland street over here then
[02:08] <ajmitch> compared to that, both neighbours & H&A have superb acting
[02:09] <Yagisan> ajmitch: sorry, the last show I saw from you guys was xena. the redhead was nice to look at, but that's about it
[02:12] <ajmitch> heh
[03:07] <TheMuso> heh
[03:24] <LaserJock> hmm, it's June, time to cat my irssi logs for May together :-)
[03:25] <ajmitch> hehe
[03:25] <ajmitch> you split them by day?
[03:26] <LaserJock> I do at first because I can often rememeber what day I want to look through if it is within a week
[03:27] <LaserJock> so i'd rather grep through 1 day rather than a month or something
[03:27] <LaserJock> I don't know, I'm just getting started with the whole irssi thing
[03:28] <LaserJock> well I don't have that many channels usually, I have 8 I autojoin
[03:29] <Yagisan> I have 3 I'm usually in.
[03:30] <Fujitsu> I have...
[03:30] <LaserJock> really? crimsun has like 40 or something
[03:30] <ajmitch> I haven't counted
[03:30] <Fujitsu> Around 25, on various networks.
[03:30] <Yagisan> I have 12 on my list, but I don't log in just to idle
[03:31] <LaserJock> I can pretty much only do freenode because I can't use 6667
[04:18] <crimsun> tehehe, poor bddebian ;-)
[04:19] <bddebian> :-)
[04:20] <ajmitch> we all love him, really
[04:21] <bddebian> Who?
[04:22] <ajmitch> bddebian
[04:27] <bddebian> No you don't. :-)
[04:31] <TheMuso> Hey Hobbsee.
[04:31] <Hobbsee> hi TheMuso
[04:32] <LaserJock> hi Hobbsee
[04:33] <zul> Hey Hobbsee
[04:35] <TheMuso> Hobbsee: Its not that cold.
[04:35] <Hobbsee> tis here.
[04:35] <bddebian> Hi Hobbsee :-)
[04:35] <TheMuso> Well you must have been outside recently.
[04:35] <Hobbsee> true
[04:35] <Hobbsee> hey bddebian
[07:01] <ajmitch> siretart: I'm azaed at how quickly you got through the AM steps so that you can spend the next 6 months waiting for the FD & DAM ;)
[07:01] <ajmitch> s/azaed/amazed/
[07:02] <StevenK> Hah.
[07:02] <StevenK> ajmitch: You haven't seen my NM page.
[07:03] <ajmitch> hm
[07:03] <ajmitch> not on the nmlist page
[07:03] <StevenK> https://nm.debian.org/nmstatus.php?email=stevenk%40hasnolife.com
[07:04] <ajmitch> looks like you took longer than siretart ;)
[07:04] <ajmitch> of course he had to wait a long time to get an AM assigned, unlike you
[07:04] <ajmitch> and DAM approval will take a little while
[07:04] <StevenK> However, I was only in DAMnation for 2 days.
[07:05] <ajmitch> that would be seen as miraculous these days
[07:06] <StevenK> It was seen as miraculous then, too.
[07:06] <ajmitch> you must have pulled some strings
[07:06] <StevenK> Nope
[07:06] <StevenK> It just happened.
[07:07] <StevenK> I asked elmo about it, and he said, "Your advocate + your AM == fast track"
[07:07] <ajmitch> it took me 6 months & 6 days from AM approval to DAM approval
[07:08] <StevenK> I didn't even end up doing Task and Skills, since tbm asked joeyh about me, and joeyh said "He knows what he's doing" and tbm just went "Okay, I've approved you."
[07:08] <ajmitch> right, joeyh & tbm..
[07:08] <ajmitch> haha
[07:08] <ajmitch> impressive
[07:08] <ajmitch> what work were you doing back then?
[07:08] <StevenK> xringd, with joeyh sponsoring me
[07:08] <ajmitch> impressive, you're still maintainer ;)
[07:09] <StevenK> I'm never giving up xringd. ;-)
[07:09] <ajmitch> too easy to maintain to orphan it? :)
[07:09] <StevenK> Indeed.
[07:09] <StevenK> The only bugs I get are translations.
[07:10] <ajmitch> should I do an f-spot upload to sid today?
[07:12] <StevenK> Meh, why not. Edgy isn't open yet. :-)
[07:12] <ajmitch> it needs rebuilt anyway
[07:13] <ajmitch> hm, I should fix up my sid chroot so I can connect to the X server properly
[07:13] <ajmitch> bind-mounting /tmp only gives me access to the socket
[07:13] <ajmitch> I still have to be naughty & do xhost +
[07:14] <ajmitch> maybe hardlinking stuff would help
[07:17] <ajmitch> someone by me a faster system :)
[07:19] <ajmitch> (and a better keyboard)
[07:34] <chillywilly> dance boy! dance! ;)
[07:35] <LaserJock> ewwwww
[07:35] <chillywilly> lol
[07:35] <chillywilly> he can earn a faster system ;)
[07:35] <LaserJock> chillywilly: you sure about that? ;-)
[07:37] <ajmitch> chillywilly: don't even think of suggesting that
[07:37] <ajmitch> you are sick
[07:37] <Lathiat> hahaha
[07:37] <StevenK> ajmitch: I bind mount /tmp and /home
[07:38] <chillywilly> ajmitch: you know I am joking :)
[07:38] <StevenK> ajmitch: That seems to work.
[07:38] <ajmitch> yeah, I thought about bind-mounting /home as well
[07:38] <chillywilly> bddebian would appreciate my humor....
[07:38] <chillywilly> where is that old man anyway?
[07:38] <ajmitch> bddebian is also sick
[07:38] <StevenK> I'm waiting for schroot, I'm sick of having all these bind mounts sticking around all the time.
[07:39] <StevenK> Hrm.
[07:39] <StevenK> It seems to be in Dapper.
[07:41] <StevenK> It really messes up my completion of /usr.
[07:41] <ajmitch> hehe
[07:42] <ajmitch> sigh, cdbs
[07:43] <StevenK> prw-r----- 1 root root 0 2006-06-02 22:32 /usplash_fifo
[07:43] <StevenK> Also exists on my laptop.
[07:43] <Lathiat> not for me
[07:43] <ajmitch> you're spethial though
[07:43] <StevenK> Lathiat or me? :-P
[07:44] <ajmitch> StevenK: you're the only person lucky enough
[07:44] <StevenK> Curious.
[07:44] <ajmitch> though I haven't rebooted my machines for a few weeks
[07:44] <ajmitch> yay, got rid of a few lintian warnings
[07:44] <StevenK> I rebooted right after my upgrade to Dapper.
[07:48] <ajmitch> ok, f-spot seems to work
[07:48] <ajmitch> might as well upload :)
[07:53] <ajmitch> whiprush_: interesting blog post about sabayon/pessulus & network auth
[07:54] <whiprush_> ajmitch: yeah ... one gets lucid when deloying gnome/linux desktops along side windows desktops.
[07:54] <ajmitch> heh
[07:55] <ajmitch> there are some weird & wonderful things we could do for ubuntu
[07:56] <whiprush_> yeah
[07:56] <whiprush_> IMO, the user-level stuff is there.
[07:56] <whiprush_> it's the system level stuff that's kind of lacking.
[08:00] <ajmitch> how much do you think we can whack in as a distro?
[08:03] <nomed> hi all
[08:05] <ajmitch> hi
[08:06] <nomed> ajmitch, any idea when it's possible to start pkging for edjy ?
[08:12] <ajmitch> whenever you want
[08:13] <nomed> good!
[08:13] <nomed> and could anyone take a look to xapian and libtextcat pkges ?
[09:08] <siretart> morning
[09:08] <siretart> ajmitch: I'm amazed as well. I got my AM last monday
[09:09] <Tonio_> hello all :)
[09:09] <ajmitch> morning siretart :)
[09:09] <ajmitch> hi Tonio_
[09:09] <Tonio_> hey ajmitch
[09:30] <AnAnt> is there a certain reason that there aren't kernel images specifically for Pentium M ?
[09:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> it dosent need any?
[09:31] <Lathiat> because theres no reason to generate them?
[09:32] <tseng> a pentium m is a 686
[09:32] <tseng> you dont need 600 kernel images
[09:33] <AnAnt> tseng: I found a Pentium M in the kernel configuration
[09:33] <tseng> congratulations
[09:33] <AnAnt> tseng: doesn't that add any features for the Pentium M systems ?
[09:33] <tseng> no, it changes the compiler flags
[09:33] <AnAnt> ic
[09:33] <tseng> to optimize to the pentium m instruction set
[09:33] <AnAnt> thx
[09:34] <tseng> which makes it unusable anywhere else
[09:34] <tseng> we have enough images to test as it is
[09:34] <tseng> and there isnt a substantial benefit
[09:34] <AnAnt> ic
[09:35] <AnAnt> ok, now, I the reason I am recompiling the kernel is that I am applying a patch for MMC v4 device support , if that works, shall I upload the new source/patch somewhere in MOTU or so ?
[09:35] <tseng> I don't know what that is
[09:35] <tseng> but no
[09:36] <tseng> you can try to get it in edgy, #ubuntu-kernel
[09:37] <AnAnt> ok
[10:44] <dannz> can anyone tell me how big the ubuntu dapper repo is?
[11:13] <Toadstool> heya MOTUs
[11:32] <Hobbsee> hey Toadstool
[11:32] <Toadstool> heya Hobbsee
[11:56] <sladen> StevenK: there's a but about that.  It happens if usplash is started and the chdir() fails.  There's a bug about it;  can you please confirm it
[11:57] <Hobbsee> heya StevenK
[12:02] <StevenK> sladen: Certainly.
[12:02] <StevenK> Hobbsee: Sorry, playing with schroot.
[12:02] <Hobbsee> :P
[12:04] <StevenK> sladen: It is already Confirmed.
[12:04] <StevenK> And Keybuk has replied, so it should hopefully get fixed.
[12:12] <sladen> StevenK: can you please add that you have experienced it aswell
[12:13] <sladen> StevenK: the number of duplicates/comments is what I use as a measure of which bugs to focus on
[12:16] <StevenK> sladen: Done.
[01:32] <AnAnt> I compiled the linux kernel (which I got from the repos), but I don't get splash screen, why is that ? btw, I compiled using make-kpkg & installed the resulting *.deb files
[02:09] <AnAnt> I compiled the linux kernel (which I got from the repos), but I don't get splash screen, why is that ? btw, I compiled using make-kpkg & installed the resulting *.deb files using dpkg. I also ran update-initramfs -u
[02:09] <Toadstool> AnAnt: this is the kind of questions you should ask on #ubuntu instead of here
[02:10] <AnAnt> none knows answer there
[02:10] <AnAnt> besides someone here told me to do the update-initramfs
[02:10] <AnAnt> but that didn't work either
[02:10] <Toadstool> I'm sure somebody knows but you have to wait for him to read the question ;)
[02:10] <AnAnt> k
[02:13] <shawarma> AnAnt: Which bootloader are you using?
[02:13] <AnAnt> grub
[02:13] <shawarma> Ok. Does the relevant entry have "splash" in the command line?
[02:14] <AnAnt> shawarma: yup , it has ro queit splash vga=0x314 just like the old kernels
[02:14] <shawarma> AnAnt: Ok.
[02:16] <StevenK> Hum.
[02:16] <StevenK> My screensaver didn't lock for some reason.
[02:16] <StevenK> Scrap that, my screensaver didn't activate at all.
[02:18] <shawarma> AnAnt: Do you know how to unpack your initrd ?
[02:18] <zakame> hi all
[02:18] <AnAnt> shawarma: you mean install ?
[02:18] <shawarma> AnAnt: No.
[02:18] <shawarma> AnAnt: Unpack it to examine the contents.
[02:19] <AnAnt> hmm
[02:19] <shawarma> AnAnt: Like so:
[02:19] <AnAnt> cpio
[02:19] <shawarma> AnAnt: mkdir /tmp/initrd ; cd /tmp/initrd ; zcat /boot/initrd-whatever | cpio -i
[02:19] <AnAnt> ok
[02:19] <AnAnt> did so
[02:20] <AnAnt> so ?
[02:21] <shawarma> Great. Check if /tmp/initrd/scripts/init-top/usplash is there.
[02:21] <\sh> moins
[02:21] <shawarma> Hi \hs!
[02:22] <shawarma> Eh...
[02:22] <shawarma> \sh, even. :-)
[02:22] <AnAnt> yup it does exist there
[02:22] <\sh> hey shawarma...
[02:23] <shawarma> AnAnt: And so is /tmp/initrd/sbin/usplash I suppose..
[02:23] <AnAnt> yup
[02:24] <shawarma> Hmm... tough one.
[02:24] <AnAnt> hmmm
[02:24] <AnAnt> I think I found it
[02:24] <AnAnt> in the conf/modules file
[02:24] <AnAnt> I see filenames of things that were on my homedir !!!!
[02:24] <AnAnt> why's that ?
[02:24] <shawarma> Good question. It's generated by mkinitramfs.
[02:25] <AnAnt> aha, so ?
[02:25] <shawarma> It shouldn't matter that much, though.
[02:25] <shawarma> As long as vesafb is in there, you should be fine.
[02:25] <AnAnt> it isn't there
[02:25] <AnAnt> only files that were in my home dir
[02:26] <zakame> heya \sh!
[02:26] <AnAnt> what does my homedir have to do with initramfs ?!
[02:30] <AnAnt> anyways, how can I fix that ?
[02:31] <shawarma> AnAnt: I'm not sure yet. gimme a sec.
[02:35] <shawarma> AnAnt: Have you tried update-initramfs -c ?
[02:36] <AnAnt> shawarma: yup
[02:36] <AnAnt> what does that do anyways ?
[02:36] <shawarma> AnAnt: Creates a new one insted of updating an old one.
[02:36] <shawarma> ....and that didnt helt?
[02:37] <AnAnt> nope
[02:37] <AnAnt> shawarma: when should I do the update-initramfs ? after I boot in new kernel or while I am still on old kernel ?
[02:39] <AnAnt> wait I did update-initramfs -u not -c
[02:40] <shawarma> AnAnt: Well, if you don't tell it which kernel to work on, it'll assume the currently running one.
[02:41] <AnAnt> ok I just ran : update-initramfs -k 2.6.15.7-ubuntu1.mmc4-686m -c , and it didn't work
[02:43] <shawarma> What do you mean? it failed or it didn't helt?
[02:43] <shawarma> help..
[02:43] <AnAnt> it didn't help
[02:43] <shawarma> Ok.
[02:43] <AnAnt> what I realized is that mkinitramfs put the filenames that are in the current directory in that conf/modules file
[02:43] <shawarma> You havent' touched anything /etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf right?
[02:43] <AnAnt> dunno why
[02:44] <AnAnt> nope
[02:44] <AnAnt> I don't have that dir either
[02:44] <AnAnt> I get /etc/mkinitramfs/initramfs.conf
[02:44] <AnAnt> I got /etc/mkinitramfs/initramfs.conf
[02:47] <shawarma> Er.. Yeah, that's what I meant. :-)
[02:50] <AnAnt> shawarma: ok, I put vesafb in /etc/mkinitramfs/modules file
[02:50] <AnAnt> shawarma: and ran update-initramfs
[02:51] <AnAnt> now it contains the modules I put in /etc/mkinitramfs/modules file alright, but it also contains the filenames that were in the current directory
[02:51] <AnAnt> I don't understand this wierd behaviour !
[02:51] <shawarma> No, it sounds pretty weird.
[02:51] <shawarma> You run update-initramfs -u right?
[02:52] <AnAnt> nope, -c
[02:52] <shawarma> Ok. Ill just try it here.
[02:52] <AnAnt> shall I try a -u ?
[02:53] <shawarma> AnAnt: Hang on for a sec.
[02:54] <shawarma> AnAnt: I just ran it and it looks just right.
[02:55] <AnAnt>  hmmm
[02:56] <AnAnt> is it a problem to have such extra stuff ?
[02:56] <shawarma> Not really.
[02:56] <AnAnt> I'll give it a reboot & see
[03:48] <bddebian> Heya gang
[03:49] <Gloubiboulga> hey bddebian
[03:50] <bddebian> Heya Gloubiboulga
[04:34] <tuxmaniac> heya. Any probs with OO.o ? Seems like it is not properly quitting.. Taking a long time to come up and swallows a helluva lot of RAM
[04:38] <_ion> That sounds just like the normal OOo behavior. :-)
[04:39] <tuxmaniac> _ion: heh
[04:39] <Bazzi> hmm
[04:40] <Bazzi> lots of those issues have been fixed in 2.0.2 though
[04:40] <tuxmaniac> I have the latest Dapper updates.. Still so many issues..
[04:41] <tuxmaniac> Bazzi: is that a thing that is being looked into already?
[04:41] <Bazzi> yes
[04:41] <Bazzi> they try to improve in that area constantly
[04:41] <Bazzi> since there are LOTS of issues still to be resolved
[04:41] <tuxmaniac> 1.9 was far better.. I feel
[04:42] <Bazzi> I still use MS Office :(
[05:00] <\sh> re
[05:01] <lastnode> can anyone tell me why ubuntu doesnt have a cube package yet?
[05:02] <\sh> what is cube?
[05:04] <lastnode> http://www.cubeengine.com/
[05:04] <lastnode> the source is right there - http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/cube/cube_2005_08_29_src.zip?download
[05:04] <lastnode> if anyone is interested, id be happy to package it or whatever
[05:04] <lastnode> i just played it, and it's fantastic
[05:05] <lastnode> played online, even from sri lanka
[05:05] <lastnode> that's a first
[05:05] <lastnode> :)
[05:05] <Bazzi> sadly ubuntu has close to nothing gaming relatesd
[05:07] <crimsun> "close to nothing"? That's a bit of a stretch, isn't it?
[05:07] <crimsun> True, only a few, but that's hardly /nothing/
[05:07] <Bazzi> well, I haven't seen anything useful :(
[05:08] <lastnode> crimsun, i think he means 'gaming' as opposed to "oh look, it's gnome-tetris' ;-)
[05:08] <lastnode> but seriously, who do i need to talk to about this?
[05:08] <Bazzi> yes, I mean 3d-gaming let's put it this way
[05:09] <\sh> it's not really OSS
[05:10] <lastnode> \sh, the source is available for download?
[05:10] <lastnode> i admit i havent seen the license though
[05:10] <\sh> it looks like only the source is free as in ZLIB license but artwork can't be freely distributed by others....
[05:11] <\sh> actually it's a bit strange, sauerbraten (the sequel) is zlib license licensed but not the artwork..
[05:11] <\sh> and for cube I don't see a license at all
[05:11] <crimsun> "you may freely distribute the cube archive unmodified on any media" <----
[05:12] <crimsun> note the unmodified
[05:12] <\sh> oh no...same zlib thing
[05:12] <Bazzi> crimsun: would still be a candidate for a msttcorefonts-like package wouldn't it?
[05:13] <theCore> well, if it's on Sourceforge it must have a valid open-source licence
[05:13] <crimsun> Bazzi: certainly you can write a wrapper that will download it
[05:14] <\sh> theCore: the source is zlib license, which is sf.net approved, but I don't see any maps or whatever...
[05:14] <\sh> it could also be, that i'm a tetris player and don't need any shooters
[05:21] <lastnode> would anyone be willing to work with me on this?
[05:31] <OVErcLK> hi
[07:12] <jpatrick> ajmitch: are you there?
[07:13] <ajmitch> no
[07:14] <ajmitch> if you have a question, ask it
[07:14] <jpatrick> can you update pbuilder on revu?
[07:14] <\sh> ajmitch: pbuilder update on tiber ;)
[07:18] <ajmitch> I can't help you if you want it updated to edgy...
[07:19] <ajmitch> updated for dapper
[07:29] <NthDegree> does anyone know if SElinux supports JFS?
[07:29] <ajmitch> assuming that JFS supports extended attributes & security labels, then yes
[07:30] <tseng> i think it does as of a year or so ago
[07:30] <tseng> possibly by patch
[07:30] <ajmitch> looks to be enabled in the ubuntu kernel
[07:30] <NthDegree> i'm just wondering if it's worth using JFS
[07:31] <NthDegree> or if i'll need god knows how many partitions in order to use it optimally
[07:31] <ajmitch> a recent thread on the selinux list recommended either XFS or ext3
[07:32] <ajmitch> however there are people using it on JFS
[07:34] <NthDegree> ideally I want kubuntu as my main OS with xubuntu (or a specially modified form of ubuntu) for development
[07:35] <ajmitch> be aware that there's minimal selinux support in dapper
[07:36] <NthDegree> true
[07:36] <NthDegree> i want to help change that :) so red hat doesn't brag so much
[07:39] <NthDegree> what FS would you choose?
[07:39] <ajmitch> ext3, or maybe xfs
[07:40] <\sh> ext3 for small paritions, xfs for large ones
[07:41] <\sh> 73GB partition and formatting it with ext3 on a raid6 volume: 2 minutes
[07:41] <\sh> 6.3TB partition on raid 6 volume formated with XFS: less then 3 seconds
[07:41] <\sh> no joke
[07:41] <NthDegree> well I have a single 225GB hard disk, and want optimal performance on kubuntu
[07:42] <NthDegree> so how would I go splitting it all up? and what FSes to use?
[07:42] <\sh> NthDegree: /boot == ext2 / and /home and /var can be xfs..it's fast and reliable
[07:43] <\sh> anyways...I'm stopping now and watching some movies :)
[07:43] <_ion> Unless your hardware causes the computer to crash occassionally.
[07:43] <ogra> \sh, slacker ...
[07:43] <\sh> ogra: hehe
[07:44] <ogra> :)
[07:44] <NthDegree> so how to split up my space?
[07:44] <\sh> ogra: you don't have to fight against suse ;)
[07:44] <ogra> i dont even see her very much anymore
[07:45] <\sh> ogra: oh no..I meant SuSE
[07:45] <\sh> not your suse
[07:45] <ogra> ah
[07:45] <ogra> capitalization was missing :)
[07:45] <\sh> yes sorry
[07:45] <zul> bah..
[07:46] <ajmitch> heh
[07:47] <\sh> NthDegree: depends on what you want
[07:47] <\sh> NthDegree: server, workstation, playstation?
[07:48] <NthDegree> for kubuntu I want a workstation, for xubuntu it will be development but one single partition
[07:50] <\sh> NthDegree: you need just one installation...and install xubuntu-desktop on your kubuntu system..
[07:51] <NthDegree> \sh you sure? I just don't want to clutter up my system when I learn how to make good reliable packages
[07:51] <NthDegree> if there's no problem with one installation then kubuntu on it's own will do brilliantly
[07:52] <ajmitch> wow
[07:52] <ajmitch> my package got ACCEPTED into debian
[07:52] <_ion> What should i do in order to get my Picard package <http://hassers.fi/ubuntu/dists/dapper/> to Edgy universe?
[07:52] <ajmitch> only 1 month in NEW!
[07:52] <\sh> NthDegree: good realiable packages you do with pbuilder and debootstrap and not on your running system
[07:53] <zul> ajmitch: new record?
[07:53] <ajmitch> zul: NEW processing has been a little slow lately :)
[07:53] <zul> ah..
[07:53] <NthDegree> so a multiboot would be best then \sh?
[07:54] <Gloubiboulga> _ion, upload your package on REVU, motus will looke at it, and when it's OK and advocated twice, it'll be uploaded to Universe
[07:54] <\sh> NthDegree: no...you don't need multiboot...
[07:54] <\sh> NthDegree: you can test in a chroot
[07:54] <_ion> gloubiboulga: Thanks.
[07:55] <ajmitch> I have 1 RC bug in debian though (non-free docs)
[07:55] <Gloubiboulga> _ion, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU will help you
[07:55] <\sh> NthDegree: so I would think that /boot == 100MB ext2 , / == 20GB xfs , /var == 20 GB xfs, swap partition the double ammount of your RAM and the rest /home with xfs
[07:56] <NthDegree> \sh you like your xfs don't you :)
[07:56] <ajmitch> you said you wanted performance
[07:56] <ajmitch> ext3 is slow in the default journalling mode
[07:57] <\sh> NthDegree: it's faster then ext3, more reliable then ext2/ext3 and reiserfs, and needs less memory then jfs
[07:57] <ajmitch> depending on how much RAM you have, double that in swap may not be needed
[07:57] <\sh> ajmitch: right...16GB ram, you don't need swap, or you want to use suspend to ram ;)
[07:57] <ajmitch> \sh: actually I did set it up with 16GB RAM + 16GB swap ;)
[07:57] <\sh> or hibante
[07:58] <NthDegree> well I have 1024MB RAM and an AMD athlon 64
[07:58] <\sh> hibernate
[07:58] <\sh> NthDegree: set 2gb swap
[07:58] <ajmitch> right, with only 1GB RAM, you'll need swap
[07:58] <\sh> you have enough diskspace
[07:59] <\sh> ajmitch: but actually you are not normal ;)
[07:59] <\sh> ajmitch: neither am I ;)
[07:59] <ajmitch> I know I'm not normal :)
[08:07] <theCore> what is the normal procedure for importing a packages from Debian to Ubuntu?
[08:07] <\sh> a sync
[08:08] <\sh> ok..going to rest a bit...laters friends
[08:08] <theCore> a sync?
[08:08] <ajmitch> yep
[08:08] <ajmitch> which will start automatically once edgy opens
[08:08] <theCore> how I do that?
[08:08] <theCore> oh
[08:08] <ajmitch> for packages that we haven't modified
[08:09] <theCore> so, we don't need to do anything about them?
[08:09] <ajmitch> nope
[08:09] <theCore> that is nice
[08:09] <ajmitch> however if we've made any changes in ubuntu in a package, we need to merge them
[08:10] <ajmitch> bmonty!
[08:10] <bmonty> hi ajmitch
[08:10] <ajmitch> how are you?
[08:10] <bmonty> good, you?
[08:10] <ajmitch> alright :)
[08:10] <ajmitch> I should sleep more, really
[08:10] <bmonty> I'm playing with my new hardware :)
[08:10] <ajmitch> but it's almost too late by now
[08:11] <ajmitch> oh shut up :P
[08:11] <theCore> ajmitch: ah, that what is sync and merge mean, thanks for the info
[08:11] <theCore> ajmitch: I better clarify it in the Packaging Guide
[08:12] <bmonty> I'm impressed the volume and web buttons on this keyboard work out of the box with dapper :)
[08:12] <ajmitch>              total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached
[08:12] <ajmitch> Mem:         16230       1996      14233          0        248       1508
[08:12] <ajmitch> -/+ buffers/cache:        239      15991
[08:12] <ajmitch> & that box is running dapper :)
[08:13] <theCore> ajmitch: o_O, without gui, I hope
[08:13] <ajmitch> theCore: why do you hope that?
[08:14] <theCore> ajmitch: ah, you got me
[08:15] <ajmitch> I should put the nx server on it & run gnome from home
[08:15] <ajmitch> argh
[08:15] <ajmitch> server at work went down again
[08:16] <ajmitch> we thought those hardware troubles were over...
[08:18] <theCore> I made a pretty nice emacs CVS package, anyone interested?
[08:19] <Erlang> isn't that already in Debian/Ubuntu as emacs-snapshot?
[08:19] <theCore> Erlang: well, mine has Xfont & Unicode support
[08:19] <Erlang> ok
[08:19] <Erlang> I don't think I need that.
[08:20] <theCore> *sigh* I think I'm the only one running gtk-emacs
[08:20] <Erlang> I don't like GTK...
[08:20] <Erlang> so there
[08:22] <theCore> Erlang: what do you like? CLI, Qt?
[08:22] <Erlang> Qt
[08:22] <Erlang> I'm a KDE guy.
[08:26] <theCore> is it hard to make a apt repository server?
[08:27] <ajmitch> nope
[08:27] <ajmitch> theCore: see apt-ftparchive
[08:28] <Erlang> I use mini-dinstall myself.
[08:30] <bmonty> brb
[08:33] <theCore> ajmitch: is it a reason why apt-ftparchive isn't into the repository?
[08:34] <theCore> Erlang: thanks, that is what I was searching for
[08:35] <crimsun> theCore: it is. It's in apt-utils.
[08:35] <theCore> crimsun: oh, I see, thanks
[08:36] <_ion> thecore: apt-file is handy: luotain% apt-file search apt-ftparchive
[08:36] <_ion> apt-utils: usr/bin/apt-ftparchive
[08:40] <theCore> _ion: thanks, my intuition tell me that utility will become really handy soon
[08:49] <bmonty> what is the package that adds a terminal option to the menu when you right click on the main screen?
[08:49] <ajmitch> nautilus-open-terminal?
[08:49] <bmonty> yes, thanks!
[08:53] <theCore> why dpkg-buildpackage need to be run by root (or fakeroot)
[08:54] <crimsun> note the install paths of the files in debs.
[08:56] <ajmitch> and to be able to set ownership to something other than the user it is running as
[08:57] <theCore> ajmitch: ah, that makes more sense
[09:59] <theCore> is there big capatibility issues between Ubuntu and Debian?
[09:59] <tseng> what do you mean by capability
[09:59] <tseng> is the word you are looking for "compatibility"?
[10:00] <tuxmaniac> tseng: thats understood :-)
[10:00] <tseng> they mean completely different things.
[10:01] <theCore> compatibility*
[10:01] <tseng> no, there are not issues
[10:01] <tseng> almost everything will work with a simple rebuild
[10:01] <tseng> if even that is nessecary
[10:01] <tseng> I recommend it
[10:02] <theCore> tseng: so, Debian packages works without any changes on Ubuntu, and vis versa?
[10:02] <tseng> almost always
[10:02] <_ion> thecore: The source packages pretty much do.
[10:02] <tseng> a few things not
[10:02] <plugwash> theCore the pacakge format is the same but sometimes rebuilding is nessacery due to dependency issues
[10:03] <theCore> tseng: which?
[10:03] <tseng> I dont know?
[10:03] <tseng> we change a handful of things
[10:03] <tseng> I cant say whether your package is changed or not
[10:03] <tseng> since you didnt mention what it is
[10:03] <plugwash> in particular debian/ubuntu use a dependency scanning system that means packages don't tend to install on systems older than the one they were built on
[10:03] <tseng> chances are a rebuild is plenty
[10:04] <bmonty> theCore: you could also have wierd problems since there might be different libs or compilers between debian and ubuntu
[10:04] <bmonty> rebuilds will usually fix that
[10:05] <theCore> so there's no problem adding a source repository from Debian on a Ubuntu system?
[10:05] <crimsun> theCore: the ones in Debian that most likely won't are the ones in /current/ unstable and experimental
[10:06] <crimsun> theCore: meaning more recently versioned build-dependencies
[10:06] <bmonty> anyone know how to list the bus ids for pci express?
[10:06] <theCore> ok, thanks all
[11:33] <spacey> http://warsow.net <- something for universe?:)
[11:37] <\sh> where is the source?
[11:43] <Gazer> holas
[11:43] <Gazer> sorry :P
[11:48] <\sh> spacey: this game needs java, and doesn't work on dapper somehow...at least not on this laptop ;)
[11:50] <spacey> ok :p
[11:50] <spacey> i don't play games myself
[11:50] <spacey> but i thought it looked interesting
[11:50] <spacey> they said it was based on the quake2 gpl engine
[11:51] <spacey> apparently its not free software
[11:55] <\sh> spacey: it has a gnu license shiped ;) because they use SDL
[11:55] <\sh> but I don't find the source, or is it the SDK?
[11:56] <spacey> no idea
[11:59] <_ion> The game seems very nice. I hope it really is open source. I skimmed through the file list of the SDK archive, it _might_ contain the whole source for the game.
[11:59] <_ion> I think they have to publish the source because it's based on the q2 engine.
[11:59] <\sh> _ion: try to build it ;)
[12:00] <_ion> sh: Right now i'm too tired, but i'll probably try tomorrow.
[12:00] <_ion> I'm about to go to sleep.
[12:00] <\sh> _ion: hehe :) I can understand that....I will go to bed just now too
[12:01] <spacey> also important how the artwork is licensed. it doesn't have to be free because of the engine
[12:01] <spacey> afaik