=== neutrinomass [n=pandis@ppp20-127.adsl.forthnet.gr] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fredix [n=fredix@86.67.45.147] has joined #ubuntu-motu === sistpoty [n=sistpoty@ubuntu/member/sistpoty] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:00] hi folks [01:01] hi sistpoty :) [01:01] seems like I missed the dapper release [01:02] what? Dapper was released?!?! ;-) [01:03] dude, no, we skipped dapper and went straight to edgy, because edgy has ponies. [01:04] ohhhh, poooonnnies :-) [01:05] morning [01:06] ZOMG PONIES!!!\ [01:06] sorry [01:06] I'll calm down now [01:06] poniges? [01:06] err [01:06] ponies? === imbrandon [n=ubuntu@unaffiliated/imbrandon] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:06] yes, ponies [01:07] yeehaa [01:08] phew... I'm just trying to figure some code of revu2... I must admit that I don't have much clue after this long time not working on revu2 :( [01:09] hey sistpoty [01:10] hey ajmitch === Kyral [n=kyral@ubuntu/member/kyral] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:14] yeah, are we going to have a REVU2 day/week or something? [01:14] not sure... there's still too much stuff to code actually :( === vud1 [n=vud1@unaffilitated/vud1] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:15] well, a REVU2 sprint then? [01:15] revu2 ? === sistpoty is just trying to... find out what /me and siretart wrote back then === ajmitch looked over the spec recently [01:17] imbrandon: it's like revu but much cooler... and it's vaporware since quite some time ;) [01:17] fun times, discussing the spec at UBZ [01:17] heh [01:17] ajmitch did you get a sec to look at my reupload on revu ? [01:17] nope [01:18] kk [01:18] I'd love to help out with REVU2 but my Python skills are probably lacking quite a bit [01:18] there's plenty of time until edgy feature freeze [01:18] well, that and I'm doing like a million things for Edgy already [01:18] yay, mdz has posted a potential timeline for edgy [01:19] ohh yea i know , was just curious since thats the first time i've actualy done a full package [01:19] ;) [01:19] spec like mad until the 18th! [01:19] ajmitch: I got handed the Ubuntu Developer's Reference today [01:19] LaserJock: sweet! [01:19] how does it look? [01:19] can you share it with us mortals? [01:19] nice LaserJocker === FunnyLookinHat [n=funnyloo@71.57.11.218] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:19] or is it only for Real Developers? ;) [01:19] well, Ian just got started with it, so it is going to take a lot of work I think [01:20] heya everybody! [01:20] moins [01:20] ajmitch: it is based on the DDR though so it should look familiar :-) === ajmitch feels like he's had too much caffeine [01:20] nice, revu2 trac was spammed... [01:21] spammed? those evil DD's trying to mess up our nice little 0ubuntuX factory :-) [01:21] ;) [01:23] burn the DDs! [01:23] they turned me into a newt :'( [01:23] heh [01:23] but I got better ;-) [01:24] are you going to test if they float? [01:24] perhaps [01:25] hmm, perhaps we can weigh sabdfl vs Towns === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:27] no contest [01:27] aj is a midget === bddebian [n=bdefrees@71.224.172.103] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:27] but does aj have a pony ? [01:27] probably [01:28] BDDEBIAN!!1 [01:28] heh [01:28] hehe [01:28] heya bddebian [01:28] hi bddebian [01:28] Heya folks! ajmitch, imbrandon, Toadstool, sistpoty :-) [01:28] hi bddebian [01:29] ah, cockfosters === LaserJock kicks bddebian in the but [01:29] t [01:30] Oh and Hi LaserJock :-) [01:30] bddebian: did you bring a pony? [01:30] Sure [01:30] excellent [01:30] bddebian: it's hard to know who to say hi to when I see you say hi in 4 different places :-) [01:31] Yeah, sorry :-) [01:31] spamming the channels [01:31] sistpoty: is the revu2 svn repos available for checkouts using http or something? I'd like to play with the code and see if I can help but I can't find any url in the wiki :/ [01:31] Toadstool: no it is a closed source, heavily guarded secret [01:31] :) [01:31] ;-) [01:31] mmm, dapper-changes [01:31] Toadstool: it was at least... not sure if it still is... give me a sec [01:32] sweet GNOME 2.14.2 [01:32] sistpoty: thanks [01:32] ajmitch: where? [01:32] LaserJock: just a few packages for now [01:32] like zenity, pessulus, glib2.0 [01:32] deskbar-applet [01:32] I don't want to have to copy/paste the code from trac browser :p [01:33] Toadstool: revu2 svn: http://tiber.tauware.de/svn/revu2 [01:34] cool, thanks :) [01:34] np [01:34] Whats better in revu2? === LaserJock grabs it before it hits /. [01:34] TheMuso: it can make coffee and will have lot's of ponies ;) [01:35] heh [01:35] and it's not that kind of hack revu1 currently (still) is... but has a more robust codebase [01:35] it will be soooo worth it to see the ponies on LP ;-) [01:36] :) [01:36] there are some cool backgrounds in ubuntu now [01:36] like those of the international space station ;) [01:37] I wonder how much they had to pay for those? ;-) [01:37] probably about 20 million or so [01:37] tourists... [01:37] "Ubuntu has the most expensive background images of any distribution out there" [01:38] heh [01:38] just please tell me it will still keep me registerd and i dont have to do some pgp signing hoops and i'll be happy [01:39] Ah. We now know when edgy will be opened. [01:39] TheMuso: we do ? [01:39] TheMuso: yes, in a few days [01:39] imbrandon: eventually it will use your LP id [01:39] Yeah I know. [01:39] imbrandon: see -devel list [01:39] ahh === imbrandon needs to read his email more [01:40] for some stupid reason I've got -announce on a digest [01:40] so I got the digest today [01:40] heh [01:40] and it had dholbach's Hug Day annoucment from like the 16th [01:42] me should really get onto -announce [01:43] ah, it was -devel-announce, was it? === ajmitch put -devel & -devel announce mail in the same folder [01:43] Smart that. [01:44] only smart if I make sure I read all the -devel mail :) [01:45] heh === Yagisan has them separate, because he skips most of -devel due to low signal to noise [01:45] true that [01:45] I still skim -devel, only because I may miss an interesting message otherwise. [01:45] ...and I don't want to do that. [01:46] The most reading I have to do for -devel is when I first check my mail for the day. [01:46] Even then I mostly read subjects only, and delete ones I am not interested in. [01:46] still, compared to d-d, u-d has a higher signal to noise recently, especially after someones recent outburst [01:46] heh [01:47] outburst? === TheMuso doesn't remember seeing an outburst [01:47] er, falling asleep on my keyboard... 'night everybody [01:47] which one? [01:47] TheMuso: the secretary saw a legit id, that wasn't government issuesd and flipped out [01:47] night Toadstool [01:48] Gnight ToadZzZztool [01:48] night ToadZzZztool [01:48] TheMuso: very much a non-issue, as you shouldn't sign a key if you don't feel the id, identifies the person in front of you [01:49] um ok === TheMuso now doesn't even know what list Yagisan is talking about. :) === TheMuso ponders joining edgy changes. [01:49] TheMuso: d-d [01:49] oh ok [01:50] I'm not on that. :) [01:50] oh for goodness sakes, that is so dumb [01:51] and yet, it appears to still be going. If it keeps up Edgy + 2 will beat Etch out the door [01:53] hmm. why do users feel they can abuse developers about bugs ? [01:54] ? [01:54] becouse they are ignorant about the hard work often for free that they put into projects [01:54] they == developers [01:55] LaserJock: doing bug triage for my upstream project, and received a torrent of abuse for my efforts [01:55] Such is the nature unfortunately :-( === StevenK is still pondering unsubing from debian-devel [01:56] I understand why the other devs where happy for me to triage. They must be burnt out from that [01:56] StevenK: come on, it's like neighbours, a new drama every day [01:57] Yagisan: Yes, the same drama that was on Home and Away a week ago. [01:57] I swear the writers for those two shows are the same people. [01:57] StevenK: they are different shows ?!? === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:58] StevenK: I can't tell them apart [02:01] The different actors give it away. [02:04] StevenK: actors ? you must be joking. I've seen better acting in a toilet bowl. [02:04] heh [02:08] Yagisan: you haven't seen shortland street over here then [02:08] compared to that, both neighbours & H&A have superb acting [02:09] ajmitch: sorry, the last show I saw from you guys was xena. the redhead was nice to look at, but that's about it === Erl[Work] is now known as Erlang [02:12] heh === chillywilly [n=danielb@CPE-24-209-126-16.wi.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #ubuntu-motu === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #ubuntu-motu === sistpoty is off to bed... gn8 everyone === Yagisan idly wonders if it is possible to rig tonights lotto draw so his numbers are drawn === carthik_zzz [i=fargon@silenceisdefeat.org] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:07] heh === Amaranth_ [n=amaranth@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-motu === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:24] hmm, it's June, time to cat my irssi logs for May together :-) [03:25] hehe [03:25] you split them by day? [03:26] I do at first because I can often rememeber what day I want to look through if it is within a week [03:27] so i'd rather grep through 1 day rather than a month or something === ajmitch never bothered with fancy tricks like that [03:27] I don't know, I'm just getting started with the whole irssi thing === Yagisan never remembers, I usually forget the channel and have to grep the whole lot anyway [03:28] well I don't have that many channels usually, I have 8 I autojoin [03:29] I have 3 I'm usually in. [03:30] I have... [03:30] really? crimsun has like 40 or something === Fujitsu counts. === ajmitch has 30 or so [03:30] I haven't counted [03:30] Around 25, on various networks. [03:30] I have 12 on my list, but I don't log in just to idle [03:31] I can pretty much only do freenode because I can't use 6667 === Bluefox_ [n=bluefox@c-68-33-112-13.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zul [n=chuck@ubuntu/member/zul] has joined #ubuntu-motu === hub [n=hub@toronto-hs-216-138-231-194.s-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #ubuntu-motu === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:18] tehehe, poor bddebian ;-) [04:19] :-) [04:20] we all love him, really [04:21] Who? [04:22] bddebian === ctd [i=ctd@incubus.progsoc.uts.edu.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:27] No you don't. :-) === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:31] Hey Hobbsee. [04:31] hi TheMuso [04:32] hi Hobbsee [04:33] Hey Hobbsee === Hobbsee waves to LaserJock and zul === Hobbsee blows on her hands to try to warm them up [04:35] Hobbsee: Its not that cold. [04:35] tis here. [04:35] Hi Hobbsee :-) [04:35] Well you must have been outside recently. [04:35] true [04:35] hey bddebian === kyral_ [n=kyral@ubuntu/member/kyral] has joined #ubuntu-motu === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #ubuntu-motu === DarkMageZ [n=DarkMage@ppp227-41.lns3.syd7.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rob [i=Robert@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.rob] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-motu === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #ubuntu-motu === shenki [n=shenki@ppp163-51.lns3.adl4.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #ubuntu-motu === No1Viking [n=micke@h-83-140-104-3.ip.rixbredband.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jcape [i=jcape@71.194.177.222] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Amaranth [n=amaranth@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #ubuntu-motu === freeflying|away [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bluefoxicy [n=bluefox@c-68-33-112-13.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:01] siretart: I'm azaed at how quickly you got through the AM steps so that you can spend the next 6 months waiting for the FD & DAM ;) [07:01] s/azaed/amazed/ [07:02] Hah. [07:02] ajmitch: You haven't seen my NM page. === ajmitch looks [07:03] hm [07:03] not on the nmlist page [07:03] https://nm.debian.org/nmstatus.php?email=stevenk%40hasnolife.com [07:04] looks like you took longer than siretart ;) [07:04] of course he had to wait a long time to get an AM assigned, unlike you [07:04] and DAM approval will take a little while [07:04] However, I was only in DAMnation for 2 days. [07:05] that would be seen as miraculous these days [07:06] It was seen as miraculous then, too. [07:06] you must have pulled some strings [07:06] Nope [07:06] It just happened. [07:07] I asked elmo about it, and he said, "Your advocate + your AM == fast track" [07:07] it took me 6 months & 6 days from AM approval to DAM approval [07:08] I didn't even end up doing Task and Skills, since tbm asked joeyh about me, and joeyh said "He knows what he's doing" and tbm just went "Okay, I've approved you." [07:08] right, joeyh & tbm.. [07:08] haha [07:08] impressive [07:08] what work were you doing back then? [07:08] xringd, with joeyh sponsoring me [07:08] impressive, you're still maintainer ;) === StevenK nods. [07:09] I'm never giving up xringd. ;-) [07:09] too easy to maintain to orphan it? :) [07:09] Indeed. === freeflying|away [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:09] The only bugs I get are translations. [07:10] should I do an f-spot upload to sid today? [07:12] Meh, why not. Edgy isn't open yet. :-) [07:12] it needs rebuilt anyway === StevenK is looking forward to doing syncs again. [07:13] hm, I should fix up my sid chroot so I can connect to the X server properly [07:13] bind-mounting /tmp only gives me access to the socket [07:13] I still have to be naughty & do xhost + [07:14] maybe hardlinking stuff would help === ajmitch waits [07:17] someone by me a faster system :) [07:19] (and a better keyboard) === chillywilly stuffs some dollars into ajmitch's g-string [07:34] dance boy! dance! ;) [07:35] ewwwww [07:35] lol [07:35] he can earn a faster system ;) [07:35] chillywilly: you sure about that? ;-) [07:37] chillywilly: don't even think of suggesting that [07:37] you are sick === tuxmaniac [n=aanjhan@59.92.94.41] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:37] hahaha [07:37] ajmitch: I bind mount /tmp and /home [07:38] ajmitch: you know I am joking :) [07:38] ajmitch: That seems to work. [07:38] yeah, I thought about bind-mounting /home as well [07:38] bddebian would appreciate my humor.... [07:38] where is that old man anyway? [07:38] bddebian is also sick [07:38] I'm waiting for schroot, I'm sick of having all these bind mounts sticking around all the time. [07:39] Hrm. [07:39] It seems to be in Dapper. === neutrinomass [n=pandis@ppp22-1.adsl.forthnet.gr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ivoks [n=ivoks@ubuntu/member/ivoks] has joined #ubuntu-motu === StevenK sighs at usplash_fifo some more. [07:41] It really messes up my completion of /usr. [07:41] hehe === Lathiat mdoesnt see a usplash_fifo [07:42] sigh, cdbs === ajmitch kicks cdbs a few times [07:43] prw-r----- 1 root root 0 2006-06-02 22:32 /usplash_fifo [07:43] Also exists on my laptop. [07:43] not for me [07:43] you're spethial though [07:43] Lathiat or me? :-P === ajmitch doesn't have it on the laptop [07:44] StevenK: you're the only person lucky enough [07:44] Curious. [07:44] though I haven't rebooted my machines for a few weeks [07:44] yay, got rid of a few lintian warnings [07:44] I rebooted right after my upgrade to Dapper. === StevenK goes shopping. Again. === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:48] ok, f-spot seems to work [07:48] might as well upload :) === neutrinomass [n=pandis@ppp22-1.adsl.forthnet.gr] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [07:53] whiprush_: interesting blog post about sabayon/pessulus & network auth [07:54] ajmitch: yeah ... one gets lucid when deloying gnome/linux desktops along side windows desktops. [07:54] heh [07:55] there are some weird & wonderful things we could do for ubuntu [07:56] yeah [07:56] IMO, the user-level stuff is there. [07:56] it's the system level stuff that's kind of lacking. [08:00] how much do you think we can whack in as a distro? === hckrSid [n=sid@lre-west-3-182.usahousing.utah.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === nomed [n=nomed@host202-127.pool8254.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:03] hi all [08:05] hi [08:06] ajmitch, any idea when it's possible to start pkging for edjy ? [08:12] whenever you want [08:13] good! [08:13] and could anyone take a look to xapian and libtextcat pkges ? === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-motu === DarkMageZ [n=DarkMage@ppp227-41.lns3.syd7.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Amaranth [n=amaranth@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-motu === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:08] morning [09:08] ajmitch: I'm amazed as well. I got my AM last monday [09:09] hello all :) [09:09] morning siretart :) [09:09] hi Tonio_ [09:09] hey ajmitch === Gloubiboulga [n=gauvain@ubuntu/member/gloubiboulga] has joined #ubuntu-motu === No1Viking [n=micke@h-83-140-104-3.ip.rixbredband.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu === AnAnt [n=anant@81.10.9.182] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:30] is there a certain reason that there aren't kernel images specifically for Pentium M ? [09:31] it dosent need any? [09:31] because theres no reason to generate them? [09:32] a pentium m is a 686 [09:32] you dont need 600 kernel images [09:33] tseng: I found a Pentium M in the kernel configuration [09:33] congratulations [09:33] tseng: doesn't that add any features for the Pentium M systems ? [09:33] no, it changes the compiler flags [09:33] ic [09:33] to optimize to the pentium m instruction set [09:33] thx [09:34] which makes it unusable anywhere else [09:34] we have enough images to test as it is [09:34] and there isnt a substantial benefit [09:34] ic === ivoks [n=ivoks@ubuntu/member/ivoks] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:35] ok, now, I the reason I am recompiling the kernel is that I am applying a patch for MMC v4 device support , if that works, shall I upload the new source/patch somewhere in MOTU or so ? [09:35] I don't know what that is [09:35] but no [09:36] you can try to get it in edgy, #ubuntu-kernel [09:37] ok === lastnode [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === cbx33 [n=pete@ubuntu/member/cbx33] has joined #ubuntu-motu === DarkMageZ [n=DarkMage@ppp227-41.lns3.syd7.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Sp4rKy_ is now known as Sp4rKy === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-motu === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #ubuntu-motu === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-motu === AnAnt [n=anant@81.10.9.182] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === herzi [n=herzi@d061188.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === doko_ [n=doko@dslb-088-073-102-054.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hirion [n=hirion@draugr.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === vud1 [n=vud1@unaffilitated/vud1] has joined #ubuntu-motu === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dannz [n=dannz@ip-58-28-158-40.ubs-dsl.xnet.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:44] can anyone tell me how big the ubuntu dapper repo is? === abelcheung [n=abelcheu@pcd730116.netvigator.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Bazzi [n=Bastian@p50803E92.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rob [i=Robert@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.rob] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hirion [n=hirion@draugr.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:13] heya MOTUs === lloydinho [n=andreas@rosinante.egmont-kol.dk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === DarkMageZ [n=DarkMage@ppp227-41.lns3.syd7.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hirion [n=hirion@draugr.de] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [11:32] hey Toadstool [11:32] heya Hobbsee === Hirion [n=hirion@draugr.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lastnode [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === _czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-028-205.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #ubuntu-motu === StevenK waves. === lbm [n=lbm@0x555298ca.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:56] StevenK: there's a but about that. It happens if usplash is started and the chdir() fails. There's a bug about it; can you please confirm it [11:57] heya StevenK === Hobbsee pokes StevenK with a stick, before she gets jumped on. [12:02] sladen: Certainly. === StevenK waves to Hobbsee. [12:02] Hobbsee: Sorry, playing with schroot. [12:02] :P [12:04] sladen: It is already Confirmed. [12:04] And Keybuk has replied, so it should hopefully get fixed. === neutrinomass [n=pandis@ppp24-224.adsl.forthnet.gr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:12] StevenK: can you please add that you have experienced it aswell [12:13] StevenK: the number of duplicates/comments is what I use as a measure of which bugs to focus on === paniq [n=braniq@port-212-202-184-193.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:16] sladen: Done. === ivoks [n=ivoks@ubuntu/member/ivoks] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ryu [n=chris@p5487C9E6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jpatrick [n=patrick@ubuntu/member/jpatrick] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Gloubiboulga [n=gauvain@ubuntu/member/gloubiboulga] has joined #ubuntu-motu === MagnusR [n=magru@c83-250-59-127.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jhnjwng [n=wj1918@pool-70-21-204-8.nwrk.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === AnAnt [n=anant@81.10.9.182] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:32] I compiled the linux kernel (which I got from the repos), but I don't get splash screen, why is that ? btw, I compiled using make-kpkg & installed the resulting *.deb files === _ZuZuu_ [n=ZuZubunt@AVelizy-154-1-51-26.w83-199.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === imbrandon_ [n=brandon@unaffiliated/imbrandon] has joined #ubuntu-motu === No1Viking [n=micke@h-83-140-104-3.ip.rixbredband.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu === TomaszD [n=tom@xdsl-2196.elblag.dialog.net.pl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === shawarma [i=foobar@sirius.linux2go.dk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === AnAnt [n=anant@81.10.9.182] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:09] I compiled the linux kernel (which I got from the repos), but I don't get splash screen, why is that ? btw, I compiled using make-kpkg & installed the resulting *.deb files using dpkg. I also ran update-initramfs -u [02:09] AnAnt: this is the kind of questions you should ask on #ubuntu instead of here [02:10] none knows answer there [02:10] besides someone here told me to do the update-initramfs [02:10] but that didn't work either [02:10] I'm sure somebody knows but you have to wait for him to read the question ;) [02:10] k [02:13] AnAnt: Which bootloader are you using? [02:13] grub [02:13] Ok. Does the relevant entry have "splash" in the command line? [02:14] shawarma: yup , it has ro queit splash vga=0x314 just like the old kernels [02:14] AnAnt: Ok. [02:16] Hum. [02:16] My screensaver didn't lock for some reason. [02:16] Scrap that, my screensaver didn't activate at all. [02:18] AnAnt: Do you know how to unpack your initrd ? [02:18] hi all [02:18] shawarma: you mean install ? [02:18] AnAnt: No. [02:18] AnAnt: Unpack it to examine the contents. [02:19] hmm [02:19] AnAnt: Like so: [02:19] cpio [02:19] AnAnt: mkdir /tmp/initrd ; cd /tmp/initrd ; zcat /boot/initrd-whatever | cpio -i [02:19] ok [02:19] did so [02:20] so ? === \sh [n=shermann@xdsl-81-173-235-52.netcologne.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:21] Great. Check if /tmp/initrd/scripts/init-top/usplash is there. [02:21] <\sh> moins [02:21] Hi \hs! [02:22] Eh... [02:22] \sh, even. :-) [02:22] yup it does exist there [02:22] <\sh> hey shawarma... [02:23] AnAnt: And so is /tmp/initrd/sbin/usplash I suppose.. [02:23] yup [02:24] Hmm... tough one. [02:24] hmmm [02:24] I think I found it [02:24] in the conf/modules file [02:24] I see filenames of things that were on my homedir !!!! [02:24] why's that ? [02:24] Good question. It's generated by mkinitramfs. [02:25] aha, so ? [02:25] It shouldn't matter that much, though. === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:25] As long as vesafb is in there, you should be fine. [02:25] it isn't there [02:25] only files that were in my home dir [02:26] heya \sh! [02:26] what does my homedir have to do with initramfs ?! === abelcheung [n=abelcheu@pcd730116.netvigator.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:30] anyways, how can I fix that ? [02:31] AnAnt: I'm not sure yet. gimme a sec. === \sh__ [n=shermann@xdsl-84-44-156-168.netcologne.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:35] AnAnt: Have you tried update-initramfs -c ? [02:36] shawarma: yup [02:36] what does that do anyways ? [02:36] AnAnt: Creates a new one insted of updating an old one. [02:36] ....and that didnt helt? [02:37] nope [02:37] shawarma: when should I do the update-initramfs ? after I boot in new kernel or while I am still on old kernel ? [02:39] wait I did update-initramfs -u not -c [02:40] AnAnt: Well, if you don't tell it which kernel to work on, it'll assume the currently running one. [02:41] ok I just ran : update-initramfs -k 2.6.15.7-ubuntu1.mmc4-686m -c , and it didn't work [02:43] What do you mean? it failed or it didn't helt? [02:43] help.. [02:43] it didn't help [02:43] Ok. [02:43] what I realized is that mkinitramfs put the filenames that are in the current directory in that conf/modules file [02:43] You havent' touched anything /etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf right? [02:43] dunno why [02:44] nope === thierryn [n=thierry@modemcable199.142-201-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:44] I don't have that dir either [02:44] I get /etc/mkinitramfs/initramfs.conf [02:44] I got /etc/mkinitramfs/initramfs.conf [02:47] Er.. Yeah, that's what I meant. :-) === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:50] shawarma: ok, I put vesafb in /etc/mkinitramfs/modules file [02:50] shawarma: and ran update-initramfs [02:51] now it contains the modules I put in /etc/mkinitramfs/modules file alright, but it also contains the filenames that were in the current directory [02:51] I don't understand this wierd behaviour ! [02:51] No, it sounds pretty weird. [02:51] You run update-initramfs -u right? [02:52] nope, -c [02:52] Ok. Ill just try it here. [02:52] shall I try a -u ? === Insup [n=mike@host81-156-44-100.range81-156.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:53] AnAnt: Hang on for a sec. [02:54] AnAnt: I just ran it and it looks just right. [02:55] hmmm [02:56] is it a problem to have such extra stuff ? [02:56] Not really. [02:56] I'll give it a reboot & see === ivoks [n=ivoks@ubuntu/member/ivoks] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu === erez [n=erez@85-250-151-129.bb.netvision.net.il] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Gloubiboulga [n=gauvain@ubuntu/member/gloubiboulga] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tuxmaniac [n=aanjhan@59.92.42.145] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bddebian [n=bdefrees@71.224.172.103] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ryu [n=chris@p5487D10E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:48] Heya gang [03:49] hey bddebian [03:50] Heya Gloubiboulga === thierryn [n=thierry@modemcable199.142-201-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === _ion [i=johan@kiviniemi.name] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lastnode [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lastnode_ [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lastnode__ [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:34] heya. Any probs with OO.o ? Seems like it is not properly quitting.. Taking a long time to come up and swallows a helluva lot of RAM [04:38] <_ion> That sounds just like the normal OOo behavior. :-) [04:39] _ion: heh [04:39] hmm [04:40] lots of those issues have been fixed in 2.0.2 though === imbrandon [n=brandon@unaffiliated/imbrandon] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:40] I have the latest Dapper updates.. Still so many issues.. [04:41] Bazzi: is that a thing that is being looked into already? [04:41] yes [04:41] they try to improve in that area constantly [04:41] since there are LOTS of issues still to be resolved [04:41] 1.9 was far better.. I feel [04:42] I still use MS Office :( === abelcheung [n=abelcheu@221.126.152.30] has joined #ubuntu-motu === theCore [n=alex@modemcable240.218-70-69.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === \sh [n=shermann@xdsl-84-44-156-168.netcologne.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:00] <\sh> re [05:01] can anyone tell me why ubuntu doesnt have a cube package yet? [05:02] <\sh> what is cube? [05:04] http://www.cubeengine.com/ === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:04] the source is right there - http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/cube/cube_2005_08_29_src.zip?download [05:04] if anyone is interested, id be happy to package it or whatever [05:04] i just played it, and it's fantastic [05:05] played online, even from sri lanka [05:05] that's a first [05:05] :) [05:05] sadly ubuntu has close to nothing gaming relatesd [05:07] "close to nothing"? That's a bit of a stretch, isn't it? [05:07] True, only a few, but that's hardly /nothing/ [05:07] well, I haven't seen anything useful :( [05:08] crimsun, i think he means 'gaming' as opposed to "oh look, it's gnome-tetris' ;-) [05:08] but seriously, who do i need to talk to about this? [05:08] yes, I mean 3d-gaming let's put it this way [05:09] <\sh> it's not really OSS [05:10] \sh, the source is available for download? [05:10] i admit i havent seen the license though === lastnode goes to check [05:10] <\sh> it looks like only the source is free as in ZLIB license but artwork can't be freely distributed by others.... [05:11] <\sh> actually it's a bit strange, sauerbraten (the sequel) is zlib license licensed but not the artwork.. [05:11] <\sh> and for cube I don't see a license at all [05:11] "you may freely distribute the cube archive unmodified on any media" <---- [05:12] note the unmodified [05:12] <\sh> oh no...same zlib thing [05:12] crimsun: would still be a candidate for a msttcorefonts-like package wouldn't it? [05:13] well, if it's on Sourceforge it must have a valid open-source licence [05:13] Bazzi: certainly you can write a wrapper that will download it [05:14] <\sh> theCore: the source is zlib license, which is sf.net approved, but I don't see any maps or whatever... [05:14] <\sh> it could also be, that i'm a tetris player and don't need any shooters === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:21] would anyone be willing to work with me on this? === OVErcLK [i=OVERCLK@62.123.116.136] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lastnode_ [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:31] hi === jpatrick [n=patrick@ubuntu/member/jpatrick] has joined #ubuntu-motu === crimsun [i=crimsun@pdpc/supporter/silver/crimsun] has joined #ubuntu-motu === freeflying-g4 [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hirion [n=hirion@draugr.de] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === Amaranth [n=amaranth@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu === caravena [n=caravena@200.27.240.91] has joined #ubuntu-motu === herzi [n=herzi@c180214.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jaldhar [n=jaldhar@c-68-38-202-139.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === NthDegree [n=nth@212-1-146-170.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lakin [n=lakin@S01060013101832ce.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tuxmaniac [n=aanjhan@59.92.46.7] has joined #ubuntu-motu === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lastnode_ [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:12] ajmitch: are you there? [07:13] no [07:14] if you have a question, ask it [07:14] can you update pbuilder on revu? [07:14] <\sh> ajmitch: pbuilder update on tiber ;) === ajmitch waits for it to update [07:18] I can't help you if you want it updated to edgy... === Hirion [n=hirion@draugr.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:19] updated for dapper [07:29] does anyone know if SElinux supports JFS? [07:29] assuming that JFS supports extended attributes & security labels, then yes [07:30] i think it does as of a year or so ago [07:30] possibly by patch [07:30] looks to be enabled in the ubuntu kernel [07:30] i'm just wondering if it's worth using JFS [07:31] or if i'll need god knows how many partitions in order to use it optimally [07:31] a recent thread on the selinux list recommended either XFS or ext3 [07:32] however there are people using it on JFS === abelcheung [n=abelcheu@221.126.155.25] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:34] ideally I want kubuntu as my main OS with xubuntu (or a specially modified form of ubuntu) for development [07:35] be aware that there's minimal selinux support in dapper [07:36] true [07:36] i want to help change that :) so red hat doesn't brag so much [07:39] what FS would you choose? [07:39] ext3, or maybe xfs === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #ubuntu-motu === plugwash [i=plugwash@p10link.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:40] <\sh> ext3 for small paritions, xfs for large ones [07:41] <\sh> 73GB partition and formatting it with ext3 on a raid6 volume: 2 minutes [07:41] <\sh> 6.3TB partition on raid 6 volume formated with XFS: less then 3 seconds [07:41] <\sh> no joke [07:41] well I have a single 225GB hard disk, and want optimal performance on kubuntu [07:42] so how would I go splitting it all up? and what FSes to use? [07:42] <\sh> NthDegree: /boot == ext2 / and /home and /var can be xfs..it's fast and reliable [07:43] <\sh> anyways...I'm stopping now and watching some movies :) [07:43] <_ion> Unless your hardware causes the computer to crash occassionally. [07:43] \sh, slacker ... [07:43] <\sh> ogra: hehe [07:44] :) [07:44] so how to split up my space? [07:44] <\sh> ogra: you don't have to fight against suse ;) [07:44] i dont even see her very much anymore [07:45] <\sh> ogra: oh no..I meant SuSE [07:45] <\sh> not your suse [07:45] ah [07:45] capitalization was missing :) [07:45] <\sh> yes sorry [07:45] bah.. [07:46] heh [07:47] <\sh> NthDegree: depends on what you want [07:47] <\sh> NthDegree: server, workstation, playstation? [07:48] for kubuntu I want a workstation, for xubuntu it will be development but one single partition [07:50] <\sh> NthDegree: you need just one installation...and install xubuntu-desktop on your kubuntu system.. [07:51] \sh you sure? I just don't want to clutter up my system when I learn how to make good reliable packages [07:51] if there's no problem with one installation then kubuntu on it's own will do brilliantly [07:52] wow [07:52] my package got ACCEPTED into debian [07:52] <_ion> What should i do in order to get my Picard package to Edgy universe? [07:52] only 1 month in NEW! [07:52] <\sh> NthDegree: good realiable packages you do with pbuilder and debootstrap and not on your running system [07:53] ajmitch: new record? [07:53] zul: NEW processing has been a little slow lately :) [07:53] ah.. [07:53] so a multiboot would be best then \sh? [07:54] _ion, upload your package on REVU, motus will looke at it, and when it's OK and advocated twice, it'll be uploaded to Universe [07:54] <\sh> NthDegree: no...you don't need multiboot... [07:54] <\sh> NthDegree: you can test in a chroot [07:54] <_ion> gloubiboulga: Thanks. [07:55] I have 1 RC bug in debian though (non-free docs) [07:55] _ion, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU will help you [07:55] <\sh> NthDegree: so I would think that /boot == 100MB ext2 , / == 20GB xfs , /var == 20 GB xfs, swap partition the double ammount of your RAM and the rest /home with xfs === S [n=serge@62.166.28.227] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:56] \sh you like your xfs don't you :) [07:56] you said you wanted performance [07:56] ext3 is slow in the default journalling mode [07:57] <\sh> NthDegree: it's faster then ext3, more reliable then ext2/ext3 and reiserfs, and needs less memory then jfs [07:57] depending on how much RAM you have, double that in swap may not be needed [07:57] <\sh> ajmitch: right...16GB ram, you don't need swap, or you want to use suspend to ram ;) [07:57] \sh: actually I did set it up with 16GB RAM + 16GB swap ;) [07:57] <\sh> or hibante [07:58] well I have 1024MB RAM and an AMD athlon 64 [07:58] <\sh> hibernate [07:58] <\sh> NthDegree: set 2gb swap [07:58] right, with only 1GB RAM, you'll need swap [07:58] <\sh> you have enough diskspace === _ion hopes edgy doesn't create a swap partition at all by default, and it uses swap files allocated on-demand. [07:59] <\sh> ajmitch: but actually you are not normal ;) [07:59] <\sh> ajmitch: neither am I ;) [07:59] I know I'm not normal :) === bmonty [n=bmonty@ubuntu/member/bmonty] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:07] what is the normal procedure for importing a packages from Debian to Ubuntu? [08:07] <\sh> a sync [08:08] <\sh> ok..going to rest a bit...laters friends [08:08] a sync? [08:08] yep [08:08] which will start automatically once edgy opens [08:08] how I do that? [08:08] oh [08:08] for packages that we haven't modified [08:09] so, we don't need to do anything about them? [08:09] nope [08:09] that is nice [08:09] however if we've made any changes in ubuntu in a package, we need to merge them === bmonty is glad that auto syncing will resume soon :) [08:10] bmonty! [08:10] hi ajmitch [08:10] how are you? [08:10] good, you? [08:10] alright :) [08:10] I should sleep more, really [08:10] I'm playing with my new hardware :) [08:10] but it's almost too late by now [08:11] oh shut up :P [08:11] ajmitch: ah, that what is sync and merge mean, thanks for the info === ajmitch only has old, slow hardware to put up with ;) [08:11] ajmitch: I better clarify it in the Packaging Guide [08:12] I'm impressed the volume and web buttons on this keyboard work out of the box with dapper :) [08:12] total used free shared buffers cached [08:12] Mem: 16230 1996 14233 0 248 1508 [08:12] -/+ buffers/cache: 239 15991 [08:12] & that box is running dapper :) [08:13] ajmitch: o_O, without gui, I hope [08:13] theCore: why do you hope that? === S [n=serge@62.166.28.227] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ajmitch thinks it could probably handle a gui fairly well, apart from the lack of graphics hardware [08:14] ajmitch: ah, you got me === Daemon [n=NA@220-253-83-81.QLD.netspace.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:15] I should put the nx server on it & run gnome from home [08:15] argh [08:15] server at work went down again [08:16] we thought those hardware troubles were over... [08:18] I made a pretty nice emacs CVS package, anyone interested? [08:19] isn't that already in Debian/Ubuntu as emacs-snapshot? [08:19] Erlang: well, mine has Xfont & Unicode support [08:19] ok [08:19] I don't think I need that. [08:20] *sigh* I think I'm the only one running gtk-emacs [08:20] I don't like GTK... [08:20] so there [08:22] Erlang: what do you like? CLI, Qt? [08:22] Qt [08:22] I'm a KDE guy. === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-motu === S [n=serge@ip227-28-166-62.adsl.versatel.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:26] is it hard to make a apt repository server? [08:27] nope === ajmitch trawls forums for misplaced bugreports [08:27] theCore: see apt-ftparchive [08:28] I use mini-dinstall myself. [08:30] brb === bmonty [n=bmonty@ubuntu/member/bmonty] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [08:33] ajmitch: is it a reason why apt-ftparchive isn't into the repository? === bmonty [n=bmonty@ubuntu/member/bmonty] has joined #ubuntu-motu === vud1 [n=vud1@unaffilitated/vud1] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:34] Erlang: thanks, that is what I was searching for [08:35] theCore: it is. It's in apt-utils. [08:35] crimsun: oh, I see, thanks [08:36] <_ion> thecore: apt-file is handy: luotain% apt-file search apt-ftparchive [08:36] <_ion> apt-utils: usr/bin/apt-ftparchive === s_ [n=serge@ip227-28-166-62.adsl.versatel.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:40] _ion: thanks, my intuition tell me that utility will become really handy soon === s_ [n=serge@ip227-28-166-62.adsl.versatel.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tuxmaniac [n=aanjhan@59.92.33.107] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:49] what is the package that adds a terminal option to the menu when you right click on the main screen? [08:49] nautilus-open-terminal? [08:49] yes, thanks! [08:53] why dpkg-buildpackage need to be run by root (or fakeroot) === Czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-028-205.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:54] note the install paths of the files in debs. === dolson_ [n=dana@d235-185-252.home1.cgocable.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bmonty [n=bmonty@ubuntu/member/bmonty] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [08:56] and to be able to set ownership to something other than the user it is running as === bmonty [n=bmonty@ubuntu/member/bmonty] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:57] ajmitch: ah, that makes more sense === dolson [n=dana@d235-185-252.home1.cgocable.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tuxmaniac [n=aanjhan@59.92.36.91] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bmonty [n=bmonty@ubuntu/member/bmonty] has joined #ubuntu-motu === FliesLikeALap [n=Ryan@cpe-72-224-113-143.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === aanjhan_ [n=aanjhan@59.92.33.58] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tuxmaniac [n=aanjhan@59.92.33.58] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ivoks [n=ivoks@ubuntu/member/ivoks] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zen-afk [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zul [n=chuck@ubuntu/member/zul] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Toadstool [n=jcorbier@ubuntu/member/toadstool] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:59] is there big capatibility issues between Ubuntu and Debian? [09:59] what do you mean by capability [09:59] is the word you are looking for "compatibility"? [10:00] tseng: thats understood :-) [10:00] they mean completely different things. [10:01] compatibility* [10:01] no, there are not issues [10:01] almost everything will work with a simple rebuild [10:01] if even that is nessecary [10:01] I recommend it === plugwash just wishes that someone with permission to do so would upload some freepascal binaries [10:02] tseng: so, Debian packages works without any changes on Ubuntu, and vis versa? [10:02] almost always [10:02] <_ion> thecore: The source packages pretty much do. [10:02] a few things not [10:02] theCore the pacakge format is the same but sometimes rebuilding is nessacery due to dependency issues [10:03] tseng: which? [10:03] I dont know? [10:03] we change a handful of things [10:03] I cant say whether your package is changed or not [10:03] since you didnt mention what it is [10:03] in particular debian/ubuntu use a dependency scanning system that means packages don't tend to install on systems older than the one they were built on [10:03] chances are a rebuild is plenty [10:04] theCore: you could also have wierd problems since there might be different libs or compilers between debian and ubuntu [10:04] rebuilds will usually fix that [10:05] so there's no problem adding a source repository from Debian on a Ubuntu system? [10:05] theCore: the ones in Debian that most likely won't are the ones in /current/ unstable and experimental [10:06] theCore: meaning more recently versioned build-dependencies [10:06] anyone know how to list the bus ids for pci express? [10:06] ok, thanks all === BlueT_ [n=BlueT@61-59-209-195.adsl.static.seed.net.tw] has joined #Ubuntu-MOTU === \sh [n=shermann@xdsl-84-44-156-168.netcologne.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === theCore [n=alex@modemcable240.218-70-69.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ivoks [n=ivoks@ubuntu/member/ivoks] has joined #ubuntu-motu === xophEr [n=xopher@a84-230-124-206.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-motu === caravena [n=caravena@73-45-112.adsl.terra.cl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:33] http://warsow.net <- something for universe?:) [11:37] <\sh> where is the source? === bmonty [n=bmonty@ubuntu/member/bmonty] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:43] holas [11:43] sorry :P [11:48] <\sh> spacey: this game needs java, and doesn't work on dapper somehow...at least not on this laptop ;) [11:50] ok :p [11:50] i don't play games myself [11:50] but i thought it looked interesting [11:50] they said it was based on the quake2 gpl engine [11:51] apparently its not free software [11:55] <\sh> spacey: it has a gnu license shiped ;) because they use SDL [11:55] <\sh> but I don't find the source, or is it the SDK? [11:56] no idea === imbrandon [n=brandon@unaffiliated/imbrandon] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:59] <_ion> The game seems very nice. I hope it really is open source. I skimmed through the file list of the SDK archive, it _might_ contain the whole source for the game. [11:59] <_ion> I think they have to publish the source because it's based on the q2 engine. [11:59] <\sh> _ion: try to build it ;) [12:00] <_ion> sh: Right now i'm too tired, but i'll probably try tomorrow. [12:00] <_ion> I'm about to go to sleep. [12:00] <\sh> _ion: hehe :) I can understand that....I will go to bed just now too [12:01] also important how the artwork is licensed. it doesn't have to be free because of the engine [12:01] afaik