[12:18] grr missed him [12:20] hi HedgeMage === LaserJock runs to leave ;-) [12:23] hi LaserJock [12:23] :P === mhz is now known as mhz_away === JaneW [n=JaneW@dsl-146-167-152.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #edubuntu === P3L|C4N0 [n=sopmac@200.106.95.91] has joined #edubuntu === arkan0x [n=arkan0x@201.215.87.19] has joined #edubuntu === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #edubuntu === Amaranth [n=amaranth@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #edubuntu === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #edubuntu === holland [n=holland@c-69-137-107-158.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #edubuntu === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #edubuntu === holland [n=holland@c-69-137-107-158.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has left #edubuntu ["Leaving"] === Owie [n=oblongch@ppp101-61.lns1.bne1.internode.on.net] has joined #edubuntu === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #edubuntu === purserj [n=purserj@29.124.233.220.exetel.com.au] has joined #edubuntu [07:56] question without notice [07:56] is there any reason why edubuntu's ship-it only does x86? [07:57] purserj: because this is our first release using ship-it and we were only allowed to offer one CD image... in the future, if demand is high enough, we hope to offer others. [07:57] hmm [08:00] that's correct [08:00] the only reason I ask is that ppc Macs still form a large percentage of machines in the australian school system where I am looking at demoing [08:01] purserj: that's true, we're looking into addressing that in the next release [08:01] sweet [08:01] edubuntu will be supporting ppc for quite a while for sure [08:01] Yup. [08:02] does the school system mandatorily use macs? [08:02] (before) [08:02] or is it dependent pero state [08:03] Apple's worked itself into the various education departments in Australia pretty well [08:03] ahh [08:03] Plus many schools don't have the funding to be able to upgrade their machines, hell my sons school had to have a fund raiser to build a shelter over the assembly area [08:04] i see === jsgotangco is not sure if its possible atm to do a ppc chroot within an x86/amd64 server [08:06] purserj: what part of Oz are you from? [08:07] Brisbanite here :-P [08:08] Dapto just south od Sydney here, but Brisbane born [08:13] ah yeah. I do IT support at a local special school up here and have just stumbled upon edubuntu [08:13] goodnight, all [08:13] I'm off to bed [08:13] but unfortunately I dont think it will be suitable as the kids there use a lot of specialised (probably Windows-only) software :( === HedgeMage waves [08:13] night === DShepherd [n=dwight@port0151-afr-adsl.cwjamaica.com] has joined #edubuntu === Snake [n=Snake@unaffiliated/snake] has joined #edubuntu === Snake [n=Snake@unaffiliated/snake] has left #edubuntu [] === DShepherd [n=dwight@port0151-afr-adsl.cwjamaica.com] has left #edubuntu [] === Owie [n=oblongch@ppp101-61.lns1.bne1.internode.on.net] has left #edubuntu [] === P3L|C4N0 [n=sopmac@200.106.95.91] has joined #edubuntu === blue-frog [n=bluefrog@88.121.196.55] has joined #edubuntu === blue-frog_ [n=bluefrog@88.121.196.55] has joined #edubuntu === blue-frog_ [n=bluefrog@88.121.196.55] has left #edubuntu ["Ex-Chat"] === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #edubuntu === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #edubuntu === tony_ [n=tony@203-214-159-33.perm.iinet.net.au] has joined #edubuntu [11:26] Hi, is there a package (or set of) that will install the LTSP stuff onto a Kubuntu server? [11:45] tony_: yes, edubuntu-server [11:46] http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=edubuntu-server&searchon=names&subword=1&version=dapper&release=all === pygi [n=pygi@83-131-251-88.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu === highvoltage [n=jono@ubuntu/member/highvoltage] has joined #edubuntu === mode/#edubuntu [+o highvoltage] by ChanServ === tony_ [n=tony@203-214-159-33.perm.iinet.net.au] has left #edubuntu ["Konversation] === salleschool [n=felipebe@101.Red-213-97-134.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #edubuntu [12:51] Hello [12:52] hello [12:52] I've installed edubuntu 6.06 [12:52] I can open thin client [12:53] but when I try to login in nothing happens [12:53] does it kick you back to the login screen? [12:54] if you have changed the IP address on the server, you need to run... [12:54] yes [12:54] egh... i keep forgetting the command. it's something like update-ssh-keys [12:54] just a few secs... i'm booting up my ltsp server [12:54] ok [12:54] sudo ltsp-update-sshkeys [12:55] that's it :) [12:55] thanks [12:55] I'm going to try it again [12:59] Yeah, it's working [12:59] ok, another one [01:00] is there any programme for configure the thin clients? [01:00] I've got problem with one screen [01:01] It's must be the resolution [01:02] or the vga [01:03] that happens usually if the monitors DDC BIOS doesnt report its values right, is that a very old monitor ? [01:03] maybe [01:04] I'm going to change the monitor, [01:04] so i'll know if that's the problem or the vga [01:04] and the vga card will nneed at least 2M video memory to get a decent resolution at 24bit colordepth [01:05] Yes, the vga is an ATI one with 8mb [01:05] salleschool: if you want to force a colourdepth or resolution on that client, you can do it in the lts.conf file: http://www.edubuntu.org/ThinClientConfig [01:05] if changing the monitor doesnt work and its the vga card, try setting the colordept to 16bit [01:05] you'll need something like X_MODE_0 = 800x600 and X_COLOR_DEPTH = 16 [01:06] highvoltage, wrong :) [01:06] X_MODE isnt respected at all .... [01:06] ah right, that explains why we took it out :) [01:06] you can only influence it by setting hsync and vertrefresh [01:06] eek === highvoltage doesn't really know how to do that [01:07] get the values for the monitor and add them in lts.conf :) [01:07] its not harder than setting X_MODE if you have the values [01:08] but i agree, its a pity that our xserver doesnt allo preseeding that value [01:08] i hope to address that with mdz in edgy, we plan to rewrite the X autodetection (or at least start with it, i dont belive thats possible to be done in one release) [01:10] that would be nice. since it might allow for a smoother startup as well. === Kozuch [n=jan@159.108.broadband5.iol.cz] has joined #edubuntu [01:19] ogra> its not harder than setting X_MODE if you have the values ? [01:19] How? [01:19] I haven't changed the monitor [01:20] I think it's a lot of work and I must use that one [01:20] because it working under other system [01:20] you set them in lts.conf in a specific section for the client (as you would do for X_MODE) [01:20] The monitor es a SAMTRON [01:20] 50-60hz === mhz [n=mhz@201.214.84.130] has joined #edubuntu [01:23] so, instead of 800x600 I must write 50-60hz? [01:23] nope [01:23] :-( [01:23] you need to set the values for X_HORZSYNC and X_VERTREFRESH instead of setting X_MODE [01:24] but first you need to find the values your monitor is capable tzo do [01:24] 50-60Hz is only one of them [01:24] and the other? [01:25] its your monitor, no idea [01:25] usually these values are in the technical data of the handbook [01:25] google might also be helpful if you search for the exact model name and number [01:25] that's a good idea [01:26] I'm going to try [01:26] you set the values like X_HORZSYNC = 34-120 (omit things like Hz or Mhz) [01:26] me? [01:27] :D [01:27] :P [01:29] * Good News: Congregacion Maria Auxiliadora -a catholic congregation and keeper of many schools in Chile, has announced its decision to migrate/implement computer labs mainly with Gnu/Linux into all his schools all over Chile (over 10 schools, about 3.000 students!) [01:30] of course, they will receive a special invitation to FET Chile :p and get a special Edubuntu demo [01:30] all: in case the next person comes in asking "how do i install ltsp on (k)ubuntu ?" the answer is here, please point people to: https://wiki.edubuntu.org/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall (and no ITS NOT ENOUGH to just install the edubuntu-server package to get ltsp running) [01:31] hehehhe [01:31] just to avoid all the breakage out there, please use that wikipage if helping, thanks [01:31] ogra: roger that! [01:31] thanks :) [01:31] ogra: that is for all 'falvours' but Edubuntu? [01:32] yes [01:32] (just to make sure my english understanding was ok) [01:32] and xubuntu if you instll in ltsp mode [01:32] okis === mhz adds it to his Moin QuickLinks [01:32] the ltsp setup for edubuntu and xubuntu happens in the CD installer [01:33] if you just install edubuntu-server the complete setup is missing [01:33] (on a ubuntu or kubuntu i mean indeed) [01:33] oh, okis, you got me confused for about 5 secs [01:34] well, i saw you, lucasvo, and highvoltage suggesting to people they should just install edubuntu-server ... that will give them a hard time, since they dont know how to set it up :) [01:35] ogra: but then, if xubuntu ltsp happens in the installer.. oh, you mean... "if you want LTSP working from xubuntu fresh install, use the xubuntu-install .iso" ? [01:35] xubuntu has a installoption with ltsp [01:35] ogra: I am guilty as charged [01:35] in the CD menu [01:35] ogra: i never suggested that! [01:35] i dont want to blame anyone :) [01:35] hehehe [01:36] highvoltage, you did, even in #ltsp :) [01:36] it is ok, we'll all die someday, highvoltage [01:36] i honestly don't remember that... but i can let it go... [01:36] mhz: on a long enough timeline, the survival rate of anything is zero [01:36] two or three days ago, i read it in the backlog [01:37] ogra: so, in the xubuntu case, (this was my confussion), users still need to be pointed to https://wiki.edubuntu.org/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall ? === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #edubuntu [01:37] highvoltage: heheh, lol [01:37] mhz, if they didnt use the ltsp option during install, yes [01:37] ogra: i still don't believe you. someone must have heavily drugged me or something if i did say that, since i can't think why i would have said that. [01:37] jsgotangco: when is due date for newsletter? [01:38] i might have said ltsp-server-standalone... [01:38] highvoltage, it might also have been not edubuntu-server but ltsp-server, but you didnt tell him to run ltsp-build-client [01:38] yes [01:38] that was the moment where i thought about creating that wikipage ... [01:39] (i'm tired as well to type in the two sentences you need to set it up though) [01:39] so that wikipage should help :) [01:39] mhz: ? [01:39] mhz: ahh [01:39] ogra: yeah, sure. I rephrase your words then: ONLY if you are using xubuntu (ltsp option) or edubuntu install, you'll endup with a sane ltsp install. IF you use any 'standard' flavor install, you need to still look into https://wiki.edubuntu.org/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall [01:39] mhz: thursday [01:39] mhz, its a wiki :) feel free [01:39] jsgotangco: hi, and thx. [01:40] mhz: but there's not much action after release so it might be short saying "hey we're out download me now" [01:43] jsgotangco: hmmm, how about including some tips already living on wiki pages about Edubuntu? Like, for example, the EdubuntuViaNetBoot [01:43] I'm still here, looking for the X_VERTREFRESH [01:43] mhz: that would be a good idea [01:43] jsgotangco: I already tested that installation method for Dapper [01:43] there is a wikipage called EdubuntuViaNetBoot ?? [01:44] heheh, yeah === bimberi [n=bimberi@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.bimberi] has joined #edubuntu [01:44] does it work? === mhz is updating the info now [01:44] yup === jsgotangco is in xubuntu but is not convinced [01:44] with dapper, 100% === mhz is forced to use xubuntu-desktop on top of edubuntu-server on his thin laptop [01:45] jsgotangco, thats waht i suspect whats missing [01:46] ? [01:46] i feel its like a gnome wannabee [01:46] heh === jsgotangco would have preferred it to be the default xfce [01:46] yeah, but does it everything you are used to onn the desktop ? [01:47] it doesn't have OOo even though the install still ate 1GB+ default [01:47] ooo is on the CD [01:47] optional === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #edubuntu [01:48] but 1.3GB? [01:48] i think ubuntu-base takes already 700 or 800 M [01:48] it seems to hvae filled up with gnome stuff to be directly compatible [01:48] i thought they rewrote all the gnome stuff .... [01:48] or reusable [01:49] we have such ugly things like evince-gtk through that [01:49] indeed [01:49] mhz: i dunno im not convinced with this [01:49] it was meant to be user-friendly and ready for ubuntu-end users [01:50] mhz: some elements are fast as expected like thunar but that's an app [01:50] jsgotangco: sure, they said "let's not convince jsgotangco!" [01:50] :p [01:50] lol [01:50] jsgotangco: yeah, I did feel/remember XFCE default was faster [01:51] but, XFCE default was not convincing enough for users like my dad... and that is a big issue [01:51] hence the gnome-like hack? [01:52] esp. when you have old machines for windows extreme end-users (just double click users) [01:52] jsgotangco: i guess [01:52] my dad could use GNOME (breezy) for a while and it was stil a shocking experience. ( I believe I suffered more than he did :D ) [01:53] It was a horryfing experience everytime he asked for "my support" [01:53] mhz: probably because lack of time, even the menu wasn't merged...xfce and gnome settings are separate menu entries [01:53] esp. considering he was sure his laptop was running lot slower (indeed, because he uses lot of office files) [01:53] making it feel KDE'sh [01:54] jsgotangco: hmm, good point [01:54] Network isn't corrent, should be Internet since it shows net apps heh [01:54] s/corrent/correct [01:54] jsgotangco: however, for my dad, xubuntu should run faster than his experience with ubuntu default [01:54] it sure does load a bit faster [01:55] jsgotangco: re menus/ you are right. I'll pass it on nomed (Daniele Favara) [01:55] it could be merged or have xfce settings as a submenu under system === ogra_ [n=ogra@p548AEEC5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu [01:56] however, so far, xubuntu seems best option for highvoltage and me (AFAIK) if we need to set an edubuntu-lighter option, even when I know, the best performance I have had, is still under Fluxbox :( [01:56] yes [01:57] probably a little more hack in the menu structure will make it cleaner [01:58] fluxbox isn't very userfriendly, or even featureful though :/ [01:58] Sometimes, I just wish I had modern hardware (and bootable media laptop!!!) but on the other hand, I feel that if I did, I wouln't be "forced" to help those people with older hardware.. so I just relax and deal with it ;) [01:58] mhz: does fluxbox even have a tool for mounting a usb disk? [01:58] highvoltage, nautilus :) [01:58] highvoltage: yeah, you can use some apps. for that, indeed [01:59] yeah but running nautilus under fluxbox defeats the purpose :) [01:59] highvoltage: and no gnome dependant === jsgotangco is not convinced for people using fluxbox [01:59] the current way that the world is creating computers is non-sustanable [01:59] they have `mount` right [01:59] we use over 250 tons worth of material to build computers every single day [01:59] spacey, hooray, and xterm :) [02:00] highvoltage: however, as you said, unless we put LOTS of efforts on setting Fluxbox, users may still feel xubuntu is closer to their concept of user friendly [02:00] ogra: yeh:) [02:00] but the design goals of fluxbox ain't ordinary users [02:00] which means that, 3 to 5 years from now, those will have to be trashed in similar ammounts [02:00] highvoltage: the prob. i see for fluxbox is that it will require constant "be there" tweaking ans setting. [02:01] xfce has done a great job of getting all the 'minimum' features in so far, while keeping it small. it's still not as mature as gnome or kde, but they're certainly getting better. [02:01] mhz: with enough 3rd party desktop and launcher tools, i can see that it might be friendly enough. i'd still not be comfortable with it though :) [02:02] no no fluxbox plesae [02:02] don't even think about it [02:02] xfce is good enough [02:02] Thanks a lot everybody [02:02] jsgotangco: mhz is already doing :) [02:02] I must go [02:02] highvoltage: OF COURSE I do agree with you. Subtainable development won't happen if we keep on consuming new hardware and getting rid of "prvious-still-very-usable" one. [02:02] bye salleschool. drop by again :) [02:02] salleschool, did you find the values [02:02] ? [02:02] nope [02:03] try to find the handbook [02:03] I'll try later [02:03] salleschool: maybe email ML [02:03] now I have another problem [02:03] salleschool: someone might already have same issues [02:03] in another pc i can login in but after that [02:03] i obtenig only a logo [02:04] the green one with the world [02:04] mhz, he has the solution already, he's just missing the hsync/vrefresh values for his monitor [02:05] Yes, I have the solution for the one qith the samtron monitor [02:05] salleschool, did you install sabayon by any chance ? [02:05] sabayin? [02:05] sorry [02:05] sabayon? [02:05] ok, seems you didnt [02:05] :) [02:05] highvoltage: i got some ubuntu laptop stickers from a friend i thought they were as think as the usual laptop stickers hehehe but nice [02:06] :) [02:06] may I install sabayon? [02:06] jsgotangco: Fluxbos is inevitablity (or "we can't help the fact of...") the lighter desktop and best performance I have tried for edubuntu-server. However, as I said, if it is to provide a solution for many users... I still doub it, though DamnSmall linux has done great job in presentation. So far, xubuntu is my 1st choice, Wmaker my second, Fluxbox my third. But the last 2 options will require too much work beacuse everytime a user wants to tweak or change d [02:06] efaults, they may not work as friendly as xfce or gnome. [02:07] mhz: windowmaker goes way way down in usability for most users [02:07] ogra: yup, but maybe other users have had same monitor issue for same monitor model :) [02:07] salleschool, forget about sabayon for now ... look in ~/.xsession-errors of the user you tried to log in with [02:07] (the one that didnt get past the splash screen) [02:08] ok, defintly my wife is calling [02:08] see you later [02:08] ciao [02:08] bye, and thanks [02:09] jsgotangco: i know. I know, believe me. But for a school, IF teachers want something real light they can use and need no further settings, jus the ones we provide, "maybe" it is an option we can consider. Why? because they may not have enough 'horse-power' to implement xubuntu. still. [02:09] jsgotangco: "we provide" = they say what they need and how they need it, we do provide. [02:11] mhz: i still don't get it, its a server, provide a powerful server and gnome will run on it nonetheless or even xfce..something more lighter is asking too much imo...as software development doesn't always consider old hardware harsh reality [02:11] mhz, we wont support 386 servers with 16Mb ram ... so there is no real need for fluxbox, if someone wants fluxbox he can always install it from universe [02:11] that is why I do not like the idea of wmaker or fluxbox because it will require we provide 'glove-made' solutions to each school school [02:12] ogra: jsgotangco: guys, I have said I like the xubuntu idea better even when it is not as fast as XFCE default :) [02:14] mhz: how do you think performance will be if we're still stuck with kdeedu [02:14] and openoffice ... [02:15] those are things you won't even consider running if you're going as far as to run fluxbox, imho [02:15] we'll be struggling for kb again in the next few months lol [02:15] BUT, please do not forget that at least in Chile (not sure about highvoltage's experience in Southafrica), MANY schools have PII or just have nothing at all to implement a lab, and getting a "decent" server to them may not a trivial task. We (I do) have to deal with PC's gotten as gift from people who throw them away. And if we get a server, it may usually be between a 800 MHz processor with 512 MB of RAM and a 2 GHz with 1 GB of RAM, for about 10 to 20 clie [02:15] nts :) [02:16] mhz: its not different in my country, the concept of networked lab here is even non existent ;) [02:16] (for public schools that is) [02:16] same situation here, too. [02:16] jsgotangco: indeed. [02:16] our schools are just lucky that sabdfl sponsored them. [02:17] but again, we're fighting against the speed of software devlopment and the resources it requires [02:17] my primary school only had two 486's. :) [02:17] for 100 kids [02:17] so, with crappy situations like that, yeah, my best option is still xubuntu, but IF needed, I may have to still consider fluxbox (beautiful as DamnSamllLinux look-and-feel settings) [02:17] ofcourse that is quite a while back :) [02:19] so yeah win98 is still relevant for a major part of the global computer population :) [02:19] the huge prob. I see is that considering fluxbox (at least in my case) it may end up generating schools Mauricio-dependent any time they need to install ans configure stuff, to even have icons on desktop, and stuff like that. [02:19] my primary school didn't even have computers for the kids :/ [02:19] mhz: i think in your case, the best bet is to not use thin clients [02:20] use a small server, and install xubuntu on all the machines. [02:20] My 1st hands on keyboard was when I was 21 years old ! [02:20] perhaps have an automated intall on the server, that the clients can boot into [02:20] to keep down on maintenance [02:20] then use ldap or nis or something with nfs to store the files on the server [02:20] you really need a server and a good switch to make things happen [02:20] xubuntu runs quite ok on a PII/300 with 64MB RAM [02:21] then you just use epiphany with gnumeric and abiword [02:21] highvoltage: yeah, I have thought so, it is just that I can't close to the LTSP option because I have been struggling to make the RecicLab project come true. And if that happens, I may have some 'horse-power' for server-older clients solution [02:22] yep. nothing wrong with starting out small though. [02:22] indeed [02:23] so far, my omplementations are usually 1 GHz + 512 MB of RAM server + light workstations (installed OS) mounting /home at server side === pygi [n=pygi@83-131-226-120.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu [02:24] and NO openoffice :) [02:24] just abiword and gnumeric and few other apps. [02:24] hey mhz :) [02:24] well, gcompris is becoming a 'default [02:24] pygi: hey! [02:24] BTW, are we all on sunday? [02:25] or monday anyone? [02:25] mhz, some are monday probably [02:25] its 10pm sunday === mhz is on sunday 08:25 AM [02:25] oooh [02:25] err [02:25] 8:30PM rather [02:25] 14:24pm === jsgotangco had a flu 2 days ago [02:25] still a bit woozy [02:25] mhz: still sunday here [02:25] jsgotangco: bless you! [02:26] ;p [02:27] hehe, it is funny.. when I read english I pronouce the sounds in my head and many times I think of a thing that is not what it is written. Example: "had flu 2 days ago" when I pronounced it iwas "had flew 2 days ago" so I had to re-process the ideas and get just the correct one :D [02:28] you need industrial-strength brain training! [02:28] lol === jsgotangco is obviously addicted to something === mhz still thinks highvoltage must have come here instead of Paris :p [02:29] jsgotangco: somehow, we all are [02:29] lol === highvoltage will probably never hear the end of that [02:29] ;) [02:30] mhz: he will probably reconsider if you start collecting your countries virgins and lock them up with him when he arrives [02:30] s/countries/country's === jsgotangco hides [02:31] highvoltage: can't convince you even if I get you a sexy + clever + grown up + geek woman ? [02:31] haha [02:31] a gree woman ? [02:31] *greek [02:31] techno pimp [02:31] LOL [02:32] highvoltage: so geek that she could even tweak her own kernel!!! [02:32] just imagine that! [02:32] :D [02:32] sounds boring [02:32] oh, c'mon, jsgotangco ! It all depends on what she does to kill the 'compiling' time :D [02:33] mhz: if you take the 'geek' part out, and change it to hacker, i'll seriously consider it [02:33] mhz: but if she has a beard, the deal is off [02:33] rofl!!! [02:33] jsgotangco, well, it has uts charm if you can chat with your GF by ICQ while sitting on the same table [02:33] *its [02:33] lol [02:33] ogra: we've all been there [02:33] :) === mhz almost poured coffee on keyboard! [02:35] yeahh [02:35] highvoltage: hmm, but the beard has a 'charming' point :) [02:35] you literally send a message "across the miles" [02:35] heh [02:37] ogra: you still use ICQ? [02:37] highvoltage: I know! you could slap her every time she makes a mistake on the terminal and gets a 'beep' :D [02:37] strip terminal? [02:37] well, i didnt open my gaim since 6 months or so, but there are some isq users i know, yes [02:37] heh [02:37] *icq [02:37] jsgotangco: lol! [02:41] ogra, this is better then gaim ;) [02:41] http://img286.imageshack.us/img286/8776/famasite4ee.png [02:41] well, guys, nice talking to you but now I gotta get back to relaity and make breakfast for family ;( === mhz hides the wip [02:42] well, since i usually never use any messenger and gaim is installed by default AND im a lazy person ... [02:42] pygi: well the plugins are annoying [02:42] users normally are lazy [02:43] lucasvo, ah, well :) [02:43] developers too (which is a good thing) [02:43] so they don't want to download the plugins [02:43] lucasvo, yes, yes :) [02:43] Imagine an ubuntu with a minimal kernel which requires the users to download and install loads of modules [02:44] lucasvo, that's nice ;) [02:45] I don't see anything wrong with it :P [02:47] that's not much different from the current kernel, is it? [02:47] ogra: then what you use for IRC? [02:47] 16:47 [freenode] CTCP VERSION reply from ogra: xchat 2.6.1 Ubuntu === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #edubuntu [02:48] jsgotangco: I have just updated https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuViaNetBoot [02:48] mhz, gaim is just bad :P [02:48] jsgotangco: please let me know if it will fit for newsletter [02:49] mhz, a decent known to work chat client indeed, not a raped IM client [02:49] else, I can wiki new material today just for the newsletter [02:49] ;) [02:49] ogra: yeah, which [02:49] ? [02:49] see above, highvoltage told you [02:50] highvoltage: duh! sorry [02:50] ogra: and it was less "lazy" to just type in 'xchat' :D [02:50] gah, why do people still use apt-get dist-upgrade ... nobiody reads the upgarde notes :/ [02:51] ogra: nope, unfortunatelly, nope [02:51] maybe, sending a DO NOT USE dist-upgrade email to ML may help [02:52] well, its their own fault not to read DapperUpgrades [02:52] damn now you tell me. I dist-upgraded over a month ago [02:52] they'll just be missing some old stuff being removed etc ... the stuff update-amanger cares for now [02:52] in all honesty, i didn't read the update notes and also used apt-get dist-upgrade on some of my machines === highvoltage pledges to read the upgrade notes [02:53] well, there is stuff beyond apt-get that needs to be done now, update-manager cares for that [02:53] highvoltage: i do use it BUT only after fresh install of new releases [02:53] ogra: what's the best command line tool to use to upgrade? [02:53] ah i see. interesting. [02:53] well it seemed to hose our ubuntu locoteam server after someone dist-upgraded [02:54] ;) [02:54] highvoltage: the best? to $ sudo read wiki [02:54] :p [02:54] still dist-upgrade, but its not as clean as using update-manager [02:54] it leaves old cruft behind [02:54] i.e. you will have both screensaver installed if you only use apt-get [02:54] in aptitude we trust? [02:54] jsgotangco: hheheh [02:55] aptitude is too clever for me. it keeps doing things i didn't ask it to do :) [02:56] i dont know anybody in the distro team who even uses aptitude [02:56] highvoltage: I only used it once...it wiped out all my / [02:56] highvoltage: so, now there are 2 things I hate: automounting stuff + aptitude :D === pogson [n=pogson@64-42-204-43.mb.skyweb.ca] has joined #edubuntu === pogson [n=pogson@64-42-204-43.mb.skyweb.ca] has left #edubuntu [] [02:58] highvoltage: the only possibility I may like automounting is if default setting is to aske me How/Where/Who can use it questions [02:59] mhz: in gnome, you can set a lot of that stuff in System -> Preferences -> Removable Drives and Media [02:59] (me is getting better at using the gui tools again) [03:02] highvoltage: I saw those options but only after getting your tip last friday. But for me, it is not wise at all. I mean, if default 'mount' command lets every client-user in LTSP env. (in same Group) access to mounted PenDrives, Why would 'autmounting' work differently. It makes no sense to me. [03:02] well i gotta go [03:03]