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Flosoftwell ... in any way, the only problem I have is my Apache overloading :p12:10
Flosoftbut I think I fixed the problem by putting a very light pre-download page12:11
\shRiddell: automatical mounting of sd cards doesn't work in 3.5.3 anymore, but it worked in 3.5.212:50
imbrandon\sh, i think its automounting of any removeable media12:56
imbrandonsome others have had problems with cd/dvd12:56
\shimbrandon: but it worked in 3.4.2 12:56
imbrandonyea i know, i'm just saying its not just SD cards its all removeable media12:57
imbrandonIE it wont auto mount a cd/dvd when inserted like it would in kde 3.5.212:58
\shimbrandon: ok...I need to downgrade then12:58
imbrandonhow can you downgrade without reinstalling ?12:59
\shremoving kubuntu desktop :) 01:00
imbrandonohh ok01:00
imbrandon;)01:00
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apacheloggerkood nikht all :-)04:19
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Hobbseehey devs!07:52
freeflying|awayhi Hobbsee 07:55
Hobbsee:)07:55
Lurehi Hobbsee07:55
Hobbseehey Lure and freeflying|away 07:55
HobbseeLure, freeflying|away, if packages of kopete were going to be made, 0.12, would i package up all of kdenetwork, or would i split kopete from kdenetwork?08:02
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LureHobbsee: I would expect to just publish kopete packages08:03
freeflying|awayHobbsee: I prefer to split 08:03
HobbseeLure: freeflying|away: gotcha.  okay08:03
Lurebecause some may use 3.5.2 and some 3.5.308:03
Hobbseeyep08:03
Lureand hopefully new kopete will work with both08:04
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Hobbsee:)08:06
=== Hobbsee should do that.
nixternalHobbsee: how are ya don'08:20
nixternals/don'/doin'08:20
Hobbseenixternal: okay, trying to figure out package creation...08:22
nixternalsounds like fun..enjoy :)08:22
Hobbsee:P08:22
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freeflying|awayHobbsee: how about the jingle in kopete-0.1208:24
Hobbseefreeflying|away: not a clue - i havent tried kopete 0.12 at all out yet.08:24
freeflying|awayhttp://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/2072  --< some complain on kubuntu's livecd08:36
Lurefreeflying|away: he is the guy complaining about print since flight6 or so... not sure what the problem is there08:38
freeflying|awayLure: but we may improve something, like make users mount exist hdd partitions more easier08:39
Lurefreeflying|away: that would be cool - not sure if we could just kick media manager to show disks from machine as newlly attached and do similar dialogs as during USB disk attachement?08:40
freeflying|awayLure: we can mount all partitions in ro mode for users when they boot up08:42
freeflying|awaysilly me , failed to build kdebase408:59
Hobbseewhy would dh_make strip the configure file?08:59
Hobbseeis that supposed to happen?  and how's it supposed to be recreated?09:00
freeflying|awayHobbsee: will you add jingle support in kopete?09:09
Hobbseefreeflying|away: not a clue.09:09
Hobbseewe'll see if i can even get it to build first :P09:09
Hobbseefreeflying|away: you might be in luck.  in it building at all.  we'll see.09:26
freeflying|awayHobbsee: will not try, I'm strugling on build kde4 on osx now09:27
Hobbseeooh ick...that sounds like fun09:28
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freeflying|awayHobbsee: now stop at kdebase  :)09:29
Hobbseehehe09:29
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magnalwhat is liblua?10:22
magnalwhy is it a mandatory dep in the recent updates?10:22
magnalcould somebody please explain to me this strange situation?10:22
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magnaldo the new updates for kubuntu include kde 3.5.3?10:46
Luremagnal: no, kde 3.5.3 is only available from Riddell's test repo10:56
magnaloh, isn't "http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-latest/" official?10:57
crimsunyes, they're considered official.10:57
Luremagnal: "official" in terms that it is released by Riddell, but not part of regular Kubuntu release support10:57
Luremagnal: they are supported though quite well by Riddell10:57
magnalLure, crimsun: will there soon be a regular kubuntu release of a newer kde for dapper? and if so, in which repo will it be found?10:58
Luremagnal: if yes, it would be in dapper-updates, but -updates is typically for critical fixes only10:59
Luremagnal: kde 3.5.3 is not fix-only release, therefore it makes it harder10:59
magnalLure: well, i hope the official dapper lts won't stick to 3.5.2 for three years11:00
Luremagnal: Riddell said that it may go in, if we get to "decent packages" - this is why his test repo is important for getting feedback11:00
magnalLure: at least should we at least expect some backports of kde from edgy?11:00
marseillai_Lure: you are using kde 3.5.3 ?11:01
marseillai_could you test the kicker applet media storage? it doesn't work for me.11:01
Luremarseillai_: currently not, as I am completing my laptop test on 6.06 clean install (but plan to install it today)11:02
marseillai_oki11:02
Luremarseillai_: we may need to add wiki page for this unsupported test repo and know problems11:03
marseillai_could you try it when you got time to see if it's only for me or a general bug ?11:03
Luremarseillai_: yes: if I understand correctly, you do not get dialog when you insert USB storage device?11:03
magnalLure: also, the new amarok (1.4.0) (non-riddell) requires quite a few new deps to be installed.11:04
marseillai_no it's not that! i use kicker applet for media storage instead of showing them on desktop there are shown in kicker! but now nothing is shown.11:04
magnalLure: is this a known "issue"?11:04
magnalLure: it is just an update, yet it requires many new deps.11:05
Luremagnal: 1.4 is not just update, as they have replaces Lyrics module (using ruby now)11:09
Luremagnal: it is your decision if you want to be stable (=dapper) or latest (=Riddell's repo) or fun (=edgy ;-)11:10
Luremarseillai_: how do I configure this kicker applet (newer used it before)11:11
marseillai_Lure: add this applet like another one, then right click configure and choose wich media you want see. and then they will appear on your kicker. it's really nice. you can unmount and eject with the applet and it free space on your desktop!11:12
magnalcrimsun, Lure: let me make this clear for myself: every kde-related repo that containes "latest" belongs to riddell?11:15
magnals/containes/contains/11:15
Luremarseillai_: ok, it is "Storage Media" (I just quickly glanced through the list and there was no Media storage ;-))11:15
magnalnow i am DOWNgrading my kde base (etc.) to 3.5.2 :)11:15
marseillai_Lure: i tried to translate name from french "support de stockage"11:16
Luremagnal: all repos announced on kubuntu.org are Riddell's 11:16
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Lureplease review: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuAdditionalRepositories11:58
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kmonhi Lure12:03
Lurehi kmon12:03
kmonI'm looking at that page12:04
magnalwhich the package that makes it possible to listen mp3s in amarok?12:04
Luremarseillai_: libxine-extracodecs12:04
marseillai_Lure: ?12:04
Luremarseillai_: in multiverse (see RestrictedFormats in wiki)12:04
kmonI wrote something similar in the introductory text of this wiki page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuUnofficialPackages12:04
marseillai_oki12:05
Lures/marseillai_/magnal/12:05
marseillai_magnal: libxine-extracodecs in multiverse (see RestrictedFormats in wiki)12:05
magnalLure: thank you12:05
Lurekmon: I did not see that page... :-( we shoudl probably merge... (or I will remove mine)12:06
kmondon't remove yours12:06
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kmonI don't like somethings about mine12:06
kmonI added info about adding new repo's & bugs in the same page12:07
kmonand I don't know if that's very neat12:07
kmonmaybe you could get my intro text into your page12:07
kmonand link to mine12:07
kmonin a bugs sections12:07
kmonsection12:07
kmonor something like that12:07
Lurekmon: I can do it, or you can do it as you feel is appropriate...12:08
kmonI'm a bit sleepy right now... hehe12:08
kmonI've just woken up12:08
LureI would just like to have subpages for bugs as they are not relevant anymore when newer is released12:08
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kmonI added that page because there was no logical place to fill bugs about Riddell's kubuntu.org package12:09
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kmonLure: I've started the merge12:11
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kmonLure: merge done12:27
kmonand linked from main kubuntu wiki page12:27
kmonthe main wiki page for kubuntu is a little bit messy12:28
kmonthe announcements in that page tend to get old pretty soon12:29
kmonand it's long until someone updates it12:29
kmonI would remove all announcements and provide a link to kubuntuorg/announcements12:29
Lurekmon: I would agree that announcements should be just on kubuntu.org12:36
kmonI'm editing the page12:36
kmonand I've merge your page with mine12:37
Lurekmon: this might be left-over from the times kubuntu.org was not used as much12:37
kmoncheck them12:37
kmonplease12:37
kmon:)12:37
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Luregreat12:39
LureI think we can add more (Tonio_'s, kubuntu.de...) if we feel that wider audience is needed12:39
kmonyes12:40
kmonthat's one thing I added to next kubuntu meeting12:40
kmona central place for updated software12:40
kmonif we can't have a central repo12:41
kmonat least a page somewhere12:41
Lurekmon: yep, you should change meeting agent and link to this page12:41
kmonmakes sense?12:41
Lurea lot!12:41
kmon:)12:41
andreddoes anybody know if and when the custom request section of ShipIt will open?12:41
kmonI've cleaned a bit https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu12:42
kmonbut there are more things which I don't like12:42
kmonlike the pages section12:42
kmonit's like a "thow everyting here"12:42
Lurekmon: I would separate Pages at least to Users and Developers12:43
marseillai_Lure: with amarok 1.4 can you use dynamic playlist with suggest mode?12:44
Luremarseillai_: I am not heavy amarok user...12:46
Lure(yet ;-)12:46
marseillai_oki12:47
marseillai_so bug added on amarok 1.412:47
marseillai_odyx has the same12:47
jpatrickLure: ha12:48
Lurejpatrick: hi12:48
jpatrickamaroK roks12:49
tomamorning12:54
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jpatricktoma: afternoon12:56
Luretoma: hi01:01
kmonLure: I've made some cleanninng here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu01:01
kmonand added a point in the agenda about it01:01
kmonI think we should create a documentation team01:02
kmonfor kubuntu01:02
kmonor at least ask for help to ubuntu team01:02
kmonthe main kubuntu page in the wiki is a mess01:02
kmonit needs lots of love01:02
Lurekmon: better and agree that it needs more love...01:03
kmonand there are many page in the wiki which are outdated01:03
mornfallanyone seen Riddell today? :)01:05
Luremornfall: I think that all distro guys are taking a weekend-off after Dapper release... ;-)01:07
mornfallLure: possible :)01:07
mornfallwell if anyone with enough karma could ask for libapt-front-dev sync unstable->edgy i'd be glad for that :-)01:08
mornfalllibtagcoll as well01:08
Luremornfall: I think only Riddell and raphink can do such things...01:09
mornfallbut it can wait till work-week01:09
toma'Please add these 3 characters at the end of your comments @SIG@'. <- am i the only one puzzled by that sentence?01:09
Luretoma: I think this is just Wiki macro: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpOnPageCreation01:13
tomaLure: but aren't that 5 characters?01:14
jpatrickyeah...01:14
Luretoma: yes ;-) (didn't notice - lol)01:14
toma;-)01:14
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tomaHobbsee: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!01:18
LureHobbsee: welcome back01:19
Hobbseetoma!!!!!!!!!!!!!!01:19
Hobbseethanks lure :)01:19
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kmon_Czessi: ping?01:52
Hobbseehi kmon_ 01:52
kmon_hi Hobbsee01:52
kmon_I've fiddle a bit with your meeting point in the agenda01:53
kmon_I hope you don't mind01:53
mornfallRiddell: http://lorien.mornfall.net:8012/m/adept/kubuntu/adept_2.1.tar.gz01:55
Czessikmon_: pong02:00
kmon_hi02:00
CzessiHi02:00
kmon_you're the one in charge of kubuntu.de packages?02:00
Czessiyes02:00
kmon_oh, nice02:00
kmon_would you ming if I add your repo in here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuAdditionalRepositories ?02:01
kmon_s/ming/mind02:01
Hobbseehey Czessi :)02:02
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CzessiHi Hobbsee02:03
HobbseeCzessi: can i ask a really stupid question?02:04
CzessiHobbsee: yes02:05
HobbseeCzessi: why work on a separate repo, when you could just work towards one set of repos?  eg, the amarok 1.4 packages have been on kubuntu.org for a while - yet they're replicated at your site as well.  i may be wrong, but it seems like double the aroumd of work for the same amount of output.02:06
jpatrickHobbsee: I also made amarok 1.4 packages02:06
Hobbseejpatrick: were they the ones on kubuntu.org, or another lot again?02:07
jpatrickanother lot02:07
Hobbseesame question then.  why?02:07
jpatrickcos Riddell wasn't here at the time it was released02:08
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Hobbseeah okay02:08
CzessiHobbsee: i have put the latest amarok packages in my repo befor kubuntu.org has do that (since sep 05). i also build amarok 1.4 packages for breezy02:08
jpatrickit was the beta-2 release, http://tiber.tauware.de/~jpatrick/debs/amarok1.4-beta2/02:08
HobbseeCzessi: so i saw :)02:08
HobbseeCzessi: got any kopete 0.12 packages done?02:09
CzessiHobbsee: and other package i'll upload to revu02:09
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CzessiHobbsee: I'll build kopete packages this evenig or tomorrow02:09
Hobbseeand if they dont pass quality control - well, will they be breaking other peoples systems accidently?02:10
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kmon_s/wat/way02:10
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kmon_Hobbsee: yes02:10
kmon_it's part of my meeting point02:10
Hobbseetha'ts what i thought.02:10
Hobbseekmon_: excellent :)02:11
kmon_Hobbsee: I can't talk privately, my nick is not registered02:11
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Hobbsee:P02:11
Hobbseeat all?02:11
kmon_I'm lazy02:11
kmon_xD02:11
Hobbseehehe.  very.02:11
Hobbseememoserv doesnt work for unregged people.  plus you cant talk if the channel is +r +m or whatever else.02:12
tomakmon_: registering a nick is a one liner, you can handle that02:12
kmon_hehe02:12
Hobbseekmon_: oh, that i dont mind?  no, not at all.02:12
kmon_does nick identification work in konversation?02:13
kmon_last time I tried it didn't02:13
kmon_maybe it was me02:13
Hobbseekmon_: yes02:13
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Hobbseekmon_: stick the p/w in the server section, under password02:14
kmon_and it's integrated in kwallet?02:14
Hobbseei dont know about that - i dont use kwallet02:14
kmon_kwallet rocks02:14
marseillai_no it's not02:14
Hobbseewell...i do....i just dont have that section passworded, as my entire machine is passworded, and i always lock the screen when going afk.02:15
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mornfallHobbsee: password on kwallet protects the data also against reboot->singleuser->get data from drive02:33
mornfallHobbsee: unlike the password on your machine02:33
Hobbseemornfall: that is true.02:33
Hobbseemornfall: fortunately, my parents have no clue how to use linux :P02:34
mornfalllaptops are somewhat more susceptible to this :-)02:34
Hobbseetrue...02:36
Hobbseeand this is a laptop02:36
kmon_for edgy I would love to have 15 minutes password remembering feature in kdesu02:41
kmon_and the fade background trick02:42
kmon_that gksu has02:42
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freeflying|awayHobbsee: how about kopete?02:59
Hobbseefreeflying|away: ftbfs.02:59
Hobbseeah, error in the make section that i havent figured out yet...02:59
freeflying|awayHobbsee: I just have compiled it 02:59
Hobbseefreeflying|away: yay :)02:59
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Hobbseefreeflying|away: does it work nicely?03:00
freeflying|awayHobbsee: but without jingle support03:00
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freeflying|awayHobbsee: it can work03:00
Hobbseefreeflying|away: true...03:00
Hobbseegood03:00
freeflying|awayHobbsee: need I do something for you  :)03:01
Hobbseefreeflying|away: sure :)  create the repo version?03:02
Hobbseeactually, i think Czessi's doing it as well.03:02
freeflying|awayHobbsee: okey, I'd package it now03:03
Hobbseefreeflying|away: i can send you what i've got, so far...if you want.  but i'm stuck :P03:03
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freeflying|awayHobbsee: I'd appreciate  :)03:04
Hobbsee_freeflying|away: sure.  where to?03:04
freeflying|awayHobbsee_: my mail zhengpeng-hou   kubuntu.org03:04
Hobbsee_freeflying|away: sent03:09
Hobbsee_bugger.03:09
jpatrick...03:10
Hobbsee_silly gmail refuses to send a 13 mb file...03:11
jpatrickupload it somewhere03:13
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Hobbsee_freeflying|away: slowly sending :)03:13
Hobbsee_got it under the 10mb limit, or whatever it is03:13
Hobbsee_jpatrick: that'd be even worse - i have nowhere to upload, and my upload limit is very small03:13
Hobbsee_jpatrick: that'd be even worse - i have nowhere to upload, and my upload limit is very slow03:13
freeflying|awayHobbsee_:  just need debian direction03:14
jpatrickHobbsee_: send to me, and I'll upload03:14
Hobbseefreeflying|away: bah.  good point.03:14
tomakubuntu.org/people/~hobbsee ?03:15
freeflying|awaytoma: we all haven't account on kubuntu.org03:15
tomaow03:16
Hobbsee_toma: i wish!03:16
tomacould be part of the membership03:17
Hobbsee_freeflying|away: right.  debian dir sent03:17
freeflying|awaytoma: at leat for motus03:17
freeflying|awayHobbsee_: okey, thanks03:18
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Hobbsee__freeflying|away: yeah, but i'm not a motu :P03:18
Hobbseeright.03:18
freeflying|awayHobbsee__: haha, you are KC03:18
Hobbseefreeflying|away: good point.  maybe that'd work03:18
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jpatrickthat's evil03:19
Hobbseeseeing as REVU isnt really the place for that kind of stuff03:19
Hobbseejpatrick: hmm?03:19
jpatrickpitchfork..03:19
Hobbseejpatrick: better than a flaming torch.03:19
freeflying|awayHobbsee__: add it to next kubuntu meeting  :)03:20
Hobbseeand that certificate fixed!03:20
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RiddellHobbsee: hmm?03:22
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HobbseeRiddell: is there a possibility of getting upload rights to kubuntu.org?  like to put files temporarily or something?03:22
Hobbseeeg kubuntu.org/people/~hobbsee03:22
Hobbseelike they do for the ubuntu site?03:23
Riddellpeople.ubuntu.com is badly named, it's only for canonical employees03:23
Hobbsee__ah okay03:23
tomaget us a contract then ;-)03:24
Hobbseehaha03:24
Hobbseecouldnt tell if it was employees, or motu's, or what...03:24
freeflying|awayHobbsee: why use cdbs? 03:24
jpatrickfreeflying|away: cos it rocks03:25
Hobbseefreeflying|away: because kdenetwork does03:25
freeflying|awayhehe03:25
Hobbseefreeflying|away: and because i tend to understand cdbs more than debhelper03:27
freeflying|awayHobbsee: debhelper is clearer than cdbs03:27
Hobbseei never said which was clearer :P  i said which i understood better :P03:27
Hobbseebut true03:27
uniqcdbs makes debian/rules smaller :)03:28
Hobbseeexactly :)03:28
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Hobbseebye Riddell 03:29
freeflying|awayHobbsee: debhelper may be understood more easier than cdbs03:29
Hobbseetrue.03:30
freeflying|awayHobbsee: so, recommend using debhelper  :)03:30
Hobbseebleck.03:31
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freeflying|away:(03:31
uniqcdbs is nice. It feels cleaner if you don't run into problems.03:33
jpatrickfreeflying|away: cdbs > debhelper03:35
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freeflying|awayHobbsee: where are those patch from?03:43
freeflying|awayjpatrick:  :)03:43
Hobbseefreeflying|away: which?  oh, kdenetwork - where kopete 0.11 is03:44
Hobbseei took out the other couple - seems that one doesnt work, and the other one is fixed in kopete 0.12 anyway03:44
Hobbseei'm not sure that all of it's right - just take whatever is of use03:44
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freeflying|awayHobbsee: without those patches, it can be compiled 03:45
Hobbseefreeflying|away: okay03:46
uniqhobbsee: are you packaging kopete 0.12? 03:54
Hobbseeuniq: freeflying is, at the moment, i think03:55
uniqok.. i am too :)03:55
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freeflying|awayHobbsee: you'd add the kubuntu's03:55
Hobbseei left the kubuntu .po one in03:56
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uniq0.12 ftbfs with yahoo support here. syntax error in kopete/protocols/yahoo/libkyahoo/yahoobuddyiconloader.cpp03:59
Hobbseeuniq: same thing?  excellent.04:00
uniqthat's without any patches.04:00
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freeflying|awayHobbsee: change to debhelper 04:10
Hobbseefreeflying|away: mmm okay04:10
Hobbseefreeflying|away: if you've got it, there's no point in me finishing it off - no point in duplicating the same work04:10
uniqno point in trippeling the work either :)04:11
Hobbsee:P04:11
uniqso i'll go do something else.04:11
Hobbseeuniq: there are plenty of thigns to package, if you wanted to04:11
uniqI usually don't have time.04:12
Hobbseeuniq: wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuSuggestedPackages04:12
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HobbseeCzessi: dont worry about kopete 0.12 packages, for dapper at least - freeflying|away's got them :)04:13
apacheloggerHobbsee: so there will be kopete 0.12 from kubuntu.org?04:15
Hobbseeapachelogger: so it seems :)04:15
CzessiHobbsee: ok :)04:15
apacheloggerk :)04:15
Hobbseefreeflying|away: when can i test those packages?04:15
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apacheloggerfreeflying|away: compiles with jingle support on dapper? (libortp dep)04:16
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Hobbseeapachelogger: is that the dep for jingle support?  nice :)04:16
apacheloggeryeah04:16
apacheloggerthough only one special version is supported04:16
Hobbseewell...one's still better than none :)04:17
apacheloggerTm_T told me that it builds with dapper libortp (but that's already some months ago)04:17
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Hobbseeapachelogger: ah okay :)04:18
Hobbseefreeflying|away: do you happen to have a breezy pbuilder?04:18
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Hobbseeapachelogger: cool04:18
apacheloggerstill no go for dapper on my machine - and my dapper server unreachable :S04:19
Hobbseeapachelogger: right, so if freeflying either publishes the source wherever he finds to host it, then you can build the dapper source, and see if it builds on breezy?04:20
Hobbseeand fix/change it however?04:20
apacheloggersure04:20
Hobbseesuppose anyone can do that, they dont need a breezy pbuilder to do it04:20
Hobbseecool :)04:20
apacheloggerwell, kopete 0.12 builds just fine, I'm running SVN for months04:20
Hobbseetrue :)04:21
Hobbseebut compiling, and stuff in repos doesnt seem to be so easy..04:21
freeflying|awayapachelogger: you may mail me the source tarball04:21
apacheloggerfreeflying|away: I don't package svn04:21
apacheloggerstill to lazy to write me a script ;-)04:21
apachelogger*too 04:21
freeflying|awayapachelogger: only debian direction need04:22
apacheloggerfreeflying|away: huh?04:22
Hobbsees/direction/directory04:22
Hobbseefreeflying|away: the word you want is directory :P04:23
freeflying|awayHobbsee: heh, silly my spoken English04:23
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Hobbseefreeflying|away: :)04:23
apacheloggeras I said - I don't package svn - so no debian dir needed04:24
freeflying|awayHobbsee: dose konversation support spell check04:24
Hobbseefreeflying|away: not that i've seen04:25
apacheloggeronly kopete04:25
Hobbseeyeah04:25
apacheloggerkonvi needs developers04:25
Hobbseeapachelogger: want to join the team?  :P04:25
Hobbseesho_'s very nice :)04:25
apacheloggerHobbsee: my development skills are somewhere at -10 :P04:25
Hobbseeapachelogger: hehe, about like mine.  great.04:26
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apacheloggernot counting my ruby skills :D04:26
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freeflying|aways/cjeck/check04:26
jpatrickI don't really like ruby04:26
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Hobbseehey danimo 04:26
kwwiihowdy all04:27
apacheloggerjpatrick: nothing's better  than ruby :P04:27
apacheloggerheya kwwii04:27
apacheloggerjpatrick: gonna do a planet system in ruby - one day - in far far away feature ;-)04:27
jpatrickapachelogger: i prefer  python04:28
apacheloggerjpatrick: http://amarok.kde.org/amarokwiki/index.php/User:Apachelogger/Train04:28
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jpatrickapachelogger: License not yet decided... :/04:29
apacheloggerjpatrick: I tend to use MIT license04:29
apacheloggerbut free it will be ;-)04:30
jpatrickok04:30
danimoheya Hobbsee04:31
danimohi kwwii04:31
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danimoare there backports for xorg 7.1 available for dapper?04:33
Hobbseedanimo: i'm not sure...i suspect those devs finally went and had a holiday...04:34
danimoHobbsee: back, holiday... :)04:34
Hobbseethat's if they havent passed out from shock, over getting a holiday..04:35
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apacheloggerHobbsee: it's just about getting sober after release party :P04:37
Hobbseehehe04:38
Hobbseenight all04:39
Hobbseefreeflying|away: if you could email me with where you've got that uploaded, i'd be glad to test it out :)  hobbsee@k.o04:39
Hobbseeor @u.c, take your pick.04:39
freeflying|awayHobbsee: okey, it's coming :) I'll upload to http://www.ubuntu-zh.org/~freeflying/packages04:40
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Flosofthey04:46
Flosoftis anyone else experiencing an extremely slow amarok since the update to the new KDE (Amarok 1.4.0) ?04:46
Flosoftespecially loading songs04:46
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apokryphosFlosoft: #kubuntu for support and questions04:47
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_Sime_toma: I think sebas may have once been in contact with the keytough guy.06:02
toma_Sime_: ok, would be great in guidance06:03
toma_Sime_: did something come out of it?06:03
_Sime_toma: you've got mail.06:05
_Sime_it is from a while back.06:06
_Sime_read about the end of the mail.06:06
jpatrickwhen does edgy open?06:06
apachelogger6-7 afaik06:07
jpatrickdamn06:09
_Sime_toma: if someone was interested in doing a kind of port of KDE/guidance, then Marvin offered to  help out a bit.06:09
toma_Sime_: excellent, just read it06:09
_Sime_toma: do you want to have a go at it? :-)06:10
toma_Sime_: i'm tempted to say yes, but i don't know anything about python.06:11
_Sime_toma: you know enough about Qt/KDE. That's the biggest part. Python is trivia to learn.06:12
_Sime_toma: esp. if you know something else like C++ before.06:12
_Sime_toma: you are already busy with keyboard stuff in RSIbreak, or not??06:13
toma_Sime_: not really, just polling for activity from the screensaver lib.06:13
tomaso you suggest modifying keytouch to fit guidance, or start from scratch?06:14
_Sime_I don't know what keytouch is written in, or how it works. but...06:15
_Sime_you have to keep in mind that these kinds of apps are >75% GUI code. A lot of the time it is easier to start from scratch.06:15
_Sime_the hard parts, like dealing with the bugs etc in the keyboard layer, have already been solved I assume.06:15
toma_Sime_: ok, let me think about, browse through the code and see if I can and want to do it.06:17
_Sime_toma: cool. That's reasonable. You'll also have to figure out how it would fit into what KDE already has now.06:17
tomahmm, yes.06:18
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MidMarkHi to all07:10
MidMarkI have noticed a strange bug in kde 3.5.2: if you go in fullscreen mode with any program (ex. kaffeine) and then back to windowed the [X]  on upper right corner is in a different position, in fact if you go with mouse in the upper-right corner you cannot close the program07:11
MidMarkof course the window should be maximized07:11
MidMarkis it kde specific or kubuntu theme specific?07:14
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abattoirRiddell: hello. oem-config on the link you gave me yesterday does not seem to be 'complete'.07:42
abattoirhttp://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/bzr/oem-config/mainline/menu/ for eg.07:42
abattoirdoes not contain files that the oem-config package on main contains07:42
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linuxmonkeynixternal: you up?09:30
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ctotheji need some help compiling a simple program. 09:32
ctothejin kdevelop09:32
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ctothejwhen i try to build my project, i am given a dialogue box that says "There is noMakefile in this directory and no configure script for this project. Run automaek & friends and configure first?"09:33
ctothejWhen i click "Run Them", i get an error09:34
ctothejaclocal: configure.in: 8: macro `AM_PROG_LIBTOOL' not found in library09:34
nixternalwhats up linuxmonkey?09:34
ctothejmake: *** [all]  Error 109:34
ctothejany suggestions?09:34
tomactothej: wrong channel. Better try #kde-devel09:37
ctothejtoma: thanks09:38
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verwilst_hellow!10:18
verwilst_is the cups printing thingy fixed?10:18
verwilst_i see all those "we cannot print!" stuffs in reviews10:18
verwilst_but i can print fine here10:18
verwilst_has there been an updated package since dapper final?10:18
kmonhi10:20
kmonverwilst_: AFAIK not yet10:21
verwilst_then why can i print? :p10:21
kmonif you have problems with printing the best you can do is file a bug10:21
kmonoh10:21
kmonwell, then I don't know10:21
kmon:)10:21
verwilst_it's just that i have to reinstall some people i know their pc10:21
verwilst_which still has hoary10:22
verwilst_and if their printer will stop working, it's gonna be a bummer ;)10:22
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jeroenvrphelp, all my toolbar-icons are gone10:38
jeroenvrpwhatever I do, they are not displayed10:39
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MidMarkRiddell: ping11:04
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MidMarkwhy there is access manager when this menu is completely unuseful in kubuntu?11:06
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RiddellMidMark: hi11:18
MidMarkRiddell: hi11:18
Riddellwhat's that?11:18
MidMarkthe login manager in system settings... why there is that icon when no effects are shown in the login screen?11:18
MidMarkI mean: the effects are shown only if theme is off isn't?11:19
Riddellkdm doesn't do effects with gdm themes11:20
MidMarkthe login screen is gdm?11:21
MidMarkin kubuntu?11:21
Riddellthe theme spec is called gdm11:22
MidMarkbut in kubuntu it isn't kdm the login screen by default?11:23
MidMarkRiddell: don't want to bother you sorry...11:26
MidMarkMy page is always updated: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuDapperWhatStillNeedsAConsole11:27
MidMarkany tips are appreciated11:27
linuxmonkeywassup riddell11:27
linuxmonkeythanx for that info you gave me yesterday11:27
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nixternali know #kubuntu...but has anyone in here installed kubuntu on a raid0 stripe using the text install disk?11:34
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