[12:10] <Flosoft> well ... in any way, the only problem I have is my Apache overloading :p
[12:11] <Flosoft> but I think I fixed the problem by putting a very light pre-download page
[12:50] <\sh> Riddell: automatical mounting of sd cards doesn't work in 3.5.3 anymore, but it worked in 3.5.2
[12:56] <imbrandon> \sh, i think its automounting of any removeable media
[12:56] <imbrandon> some others have had problems with cd/dvd
[12:56] <\sh> imbrandon: but it worked in 3.4.2 
[12:57] <imbrandon> yea i know, i'm just saying its not just SD cards its all removeable media
[12:58] <imbrandon> IE it wont auto mount a cd/dvd when inserted like it would in kde 3.5.2
[12:58] <\sh> imbrandon: ok...I need to downgrade then
[12:59] <imbrandon> how can you downgrade without reinstalling ?
[01:00] <\sh> removing kubuntu desktop :) 
[01:00] <imbrandon> ohh ok
[01:00] <imbrandon> ;)
[04:19] <apachelogger> kood nikht all :-)
[07:52] <Hobbsee> hey devs!
[07:55] <freeflying|away> hi Hobbsee 
[07:55] <Hobbsee> :)
[07:55] <Lure> hi Hobbsee
[07:55] <Hobbsee> hey Lure and freeflying|away 
[08:02] <Hobbsee> Lure, freeflying|away, if packages of kopete were going to be made, 0.12, would i package up all of kdenetwork, or would i split kopete from kdenetwork?
[08:03] <Lure> Hobbsee: I would expect to just publish kopete packages
[08:03] <freeflying|away> Hobbsee: I prefer to split 
[08:03] <Hobbsee> Lure: freeflying|away: gotcha.  okay
[08:03] <Lure> because some may use 3.5.2 and some 3.5.3
[08:03] <Hobbsee> yep
[08:04] <Lure> and hopefully new kopete will work with both
[08:06] <Hobbsee> :)
[08:20] <nixternal> Hobbsee: how are ya don'
[08:20] <nixternal> s/don'/doin'
[08:22] <Hobbsee> nixternal: okay, trying to figure out package creation...
[08:22] <nixternal> sounds like fun..enjoy :)
[08:22] <Hobbsee> :P
[08:24] <freeflying|away> Hobbsee: how about the jingle in kopete-0.12
[08:24] <Hobbsee> freeflying|away: not a clue - i havent tried kopete 0.12 at all out yet.
[08:36] <freeflying|away> http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/2072  --< some complain on kubuntu's livecd
[08:38] <Lure> freeflying|away: he is the guy complaining about print since flight6 or so... not sure what the problem is there
[08:39] <freeflying|away> Lure: but we may improve something, like make users mount exist hdd partitions more easier
[08:40] <Lure> freeflying|away: that would be cool - not sure if we could just kick media manager to show disks from machine as newlly attached and do similar dialogs as during USB disk attachement?
[08:42] <freeflying|away> Lure: we can mount all partitions in ro mode for users when they boot up
[08:59] <freeflying|away> silly me , failed to build kdebase4
[08:59] <Hobbsee> why would dh_make strip the configure file?
[09:00] <Hobbsee> is that supposed to happen?  and how's it supposed to be recreated?
[09:09] <freeflying|away> Hobbsee: will you add jingle support in kopete?
[09:09] <Hobbsee> freeflying|away: not a clue.
[09:09] <Hobbsee> we'll see if i can even get it to build first :P
[09:26] <Hobbsee> freeflying|away: you might be in luck.  in it building at all.  we'll see.
[09:27] <freeflying|away> Hobbsee: will not try, I'm strugling on build kde4 on osx now
[09:28] <Hobbsee> ooh ick...that sounds like fun
[09:29] <freeflying|away> Hobbsee: now stop at kdebase  :)
[09:29] <Hobbsee> hehe
[10:22] <magnal> what is liblua?
[10:22] <magnal> why is it a mandatory dep in the recent updates?
[10:22] <magnal> could somebody please explain to me this strange situation?
[10:46] <magnal> do the new updates for kubuntu include kde 3.5.3?
[10:56] <Lure> magnal: no, kde 3.5.3 is only available from Riddell's test repo
[10:57] <magnal> oh, isn't "http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-latest/" official?
[10:57] <crimsun> yes, they're considered official.
[10:57] <Lure> magnal: "official" in terms that it is released by Riddell, but not part of regular Kubuntu release support
[10:57] <Lure> magnal: they are supported though quite well by Riddell
[10:58] <magnal> Lure, crimsun: will there soon be a regular kubuntu release of a newer kde for dapper? and if so, in which repo will it be found?
[10:59] <Lure> magnal: if yes, it would be in dapper-updates, but -updates is typically for critical fixes only
[10:59] <Lure> magnal: kde 3.5.3 is not fix-only release, therefore it makes it harder
[11:00] <magnal> Lure: well, i hope the official dapper lts won't stick to 3.5.2 for three years
[11:00] <Lure> magnal: Riddell said that it may go in, if we get to "decent packages" - this is why his test repo is important for getting feedback
[11:00] <magnal> Lure: at least should we at least expect some backports of kde from edgy?
[11:01] <marseillai_> Lure: you are using kde 3.5.3 ?
[11:01] <marseillai_> could you test the kicker applet media storage? it doesn't work for me.
[11:02] <Lure> marseillai_: currently not, as I am completing my laptop test on 6.06 clean install (but plan to install it today)
[11:02] <marseillai_> oki
[11:03] <Lure> marseillai_: we may need to add wiki page for this unsupported test repo and know problems
[11:03] <marseillai_> could you try it when you got time to see if it's only for me or a general bug ?
[11:03] <Lure> marseillai_: yes: if I understand correctly, you do not get dialog when you insert USB storage device?
[11:04] <magnal> Lure: also, the new amarok (1.4.0) (non-riddell) requires quite a few new deps to be installed.
[11:04] <marseillai_> no it's not that! i use kicker applet for media storage instead of showing them on desktop there are shown in kicker! but now nothing is shown.
[11:04] <magnal> Lure: is this a known "issue"?
[11:05] <magnal> Lure: it is just an update, yet it requires many new deps.
[11:09] <Lure> magnal: 1.4 is not just update, as they have replaces Lyrics module (using ruby now)
[11:10] <Lure> magnal: it is your decision if you want to be stable (=dapper) or latest (=Riddell's repo) or fun (=edgy ;-)
[11:11] <Lure> marseillai_: how do I configure this kicker applet (newer used it before)
[11:12] <marseillai_> Lure: add this applet like another one, then right click configure and choose wich media you want see. and then they will appear on your kicker. it's really nice. you can unmount and eject with the applet and it free space on your desktop!
[11:15] <magnal> crimsun, Lure: let me make this clear for myself: every kde-related repo that containes "latest" belongs to riddell?
[11:15] <magnal> s/containes/contains/
[11:15] <Lure> marseillai_: ok, it is "Storage Media" (I just quickly glanced through the list and there was no Media storage ;-))
[11:15] <magnal> now i am DOWNgrading my kde base (etc.) to 3.5.2 :)
[11:16] <marseillai_> Lure: i tried to translate name from french "support de stockage"
[11:16] <Lure> magnal: all repos announced on kubuntu.org are Riddell's 
[11:58] <Lure> please review: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuAdditionalRepositories
[12:03] <kmon> hi Lure
[12:03] <Lure> hi kmon
[12:04] <kmon> I'm looking at that page
[12:04] <magnal> which the package that makes it possible to listen mp3s in amarok?
[12:04] <Lure> marseillai_: libxine-extracodecs
[12:04] <marseillai_> Lure: ?
[12:04] <Lure> marseillai_: in multiverse (see RestrictedFormats in wiki)
[12:04] <kmon> I wrote something similar in the introductory text of this wiki page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuUnofficialPackages
[12:05] <marseillai_> oki
[12:05] <Lure> s/marseillai_/magnal/
[12:05] <marseillai_> magnal: libxine-extracodecs in multiverse (see RestrictedFormats in wiki)
[12:05] <magnal> Lure: thank you
[12:06] <Lure> kmon: I did not see that page... :-( we shoudl probably merge... (or I will remove mine)
[12:06] <kmon> don't remove yours
[12:06] <kmon> I don't like somethings about mine
[12:07] <kmon> I added info about adding new repo's & bugs in the same page
[12:07] <kmon> and I don't know if that's very neat
[12:07] <kmon> maybe you could get my intro text into your page
[12:07] <kmon> and link to mine
[12:07] <kmon> in a bugs sections
[12:07] <kmon> section
[12:07] <kmon> or something like that
[12:08] <Lure> kmon: I can do it, or you can do it as you feel is appropriate...
[12:08] <kmon> I'm a bit sleepy right now... hehe
[12:08] <kmon> I've just woken up
[12:08] <Lure> I would just like to have subpages for bugs as they are not relevant anymore when newer is released
[12:09] <kmon> I added that page because there was no logical place to fill bugs about Riddell's kubuntu.org package
[12:11] <kmon> Lure: I've started the merge
[12:27] <kmon> Lure: merge done
[12:27] <kmon> and linked from main kubuntu wiki page
[12:28] <kmon> the main wiki page for kubuntu is a little bit messy
[12:29] <kmon> the announcements in that page tend to get old pretty soon
[12:29] <kmon> and it's long until someone updates it
[12:29] <kmon> I would remove all announcements and provide a link to kubuntuorg/announcements
[12:36] <Lure> kmon: I would agree that announcements should be just on kubuntu.org
[12:36] <kmon> I'm editing the page
[12:37] <kmon> and I've merge your page with mine
[12:37] <Lure> kmon: this might be left-over from the times kubuntu.org was not used as much
[12:37] <kmon> check them
[12:37] <kmon> please
[12:37] <kmon> :)
[12:39] <Lure> great
[12:39] <Lure> I think we can add more (Tonio_'s, kubuntu.de...) if we feel that wider audience is needed
[12:40] <kmon> yes
[12:40] <kmon> that's one thing I added to next kubuntu meeting
[12:40] <kmon> a central place for updated software
[12:41] <kmon> if we can't have a central repo
[12:41] <kmon> at least a page somewhere
[12:41] <Lure> kmon: yep, you should change meeting agent and link to this page
[12:41] <kmon> makes sense?
[12:41] <Lure> a lot!
[12:41] <kmon> :)
[12:41] <andred> does anybody know if and when the custom request section of ShipIt will open?
[12:42] <kmon> I've cleaned a bit https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu
[12:42] <kmon> but there are more things which I don't like
[12:42] <kmon> like the pages section
[12:42] <kmon> it's like a "thow everyting here"
[12:43] <Lure> kmon: I would separate Pages at least to Users and Developers
[12:44] <marseillai_> Lure: with amarok 1.4 can you use dynamic playlist with suggest mode?
[12:46] <Lure> marseillai_: I am not heavy amarok user...
[12:46] <Lure> (yet ;-)
[12:47] <marseillai_> oki
[12:47] <marseillai_> so bug added on amarok 1.4
[12:47] <marseillai_> odyx has the same
[12:48] <jpatrick> Lure: ha
[12:48] <Lure> jpatrick: hi
[12:49] <jpatrick> amaroK roks
[12:54] <toma> morning
[12:56] <jpatrick> toma: afternoon
[01:01] <Lure> toma: hi
[01:01] <kmon> Lure: I've made some cleanninng here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu
[01:01] <kmon> and added a point in the agenda about it
[01:02] <kmon> I think we should create a documentation team
[01:02] <kmon> for kubuntu
[01:02] <kmon> or at least ask for help to ubuntu team
[01:02] <kmon> the main kubuntu page in the wiki is a mess
[01:02] <kmon> it needs lots of love
[01:03] <Lure> kmon: better and agree that it needs more love...
[01:03] <kmon> and there are many page in the wiki which are outdated
[01:05] <mornfall> anyone seen Riddell today? :)
[01:07] <Lure> mornfall: I think that all distro guys are taking a weekend-off after Dapper release... ;-)
[01:07] <mornfall> Lure: possible :)
[01:08] <mornfall> well if anyone with enough karma could ask for libapt-front-dev sync unstable->edgy i'd be glad for that :-)
[01:08] <mornfall> libtagcoll as well
[01:09] <Lure> mornfall: I think only Riddell and raphink can do such things...
[01:09] <mornfall> but it can wait till work-week
[01:09] <toma> 'Please add these 3 characters at the end of your comments @SIG@'. <- am i the only one puzzled by that sentence?
[01:13] <Lure> toma: I think this is just Wiki macro: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpOnPageCreation
[01:14] <toma> Lure: but aren't that 5 characters?
[01:14] <jpatrick> yeah...
[01:14] <Lure> toma: yes ;-) (didn't notice - lol)
[01:14] <toma> ;-)
[01:18] <toma> Hobbsee: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[01:19] <Lure> Hobbsee: welcome back
[01:19] <Hobbsee> toma!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[01:19] <Hobbsee> thanks lure :)
[01:52] <kmon_> Czessi: ping?
[01:52] <Hobbsee> hi kmon_ 
[01:52] <kmon_> hi Hobbsee
[01:53] <kmon_> I've fiddle a bit with your meeting point in the agenda
[01:53] <kmon_> I hope you don't mind
[01:55] <mornfall> Riddell: http://lorien.mornfall.net:8012/m/adept/kubuntu/adept_2.1.tar.gz
[02:00] <Czessi> kmon_: pong
[02:00] <kmon_> hi
[02:00] <Czessi> Hi
[02:00] <kmon_> you're the one in charge of kubuntu.de packages?
[02:00] <Czessi> yes
[02:00] <kmon_> oh, nice
[02:01] <kmon_> would you ming if I add your repo in here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuAdditionalRepositories ?
[02:01] <kmon_> s/ming/mind
[02:02] <Hobbsee> hey Czessi :)
[02:03] <Czessi> Hi Hobbsee
[02:04] <Hobbsee> Czessi: can i ask a really stupid question?
[02:05] <Czessi> Hobbsee: yes
[02:06] <Hobbsee> Czessi: why work on a separate repo, when you could just work towards one set of repos?  eg, the amarok 1.4 packages have been on kubuntu.org for a while - yet they're replicated at your site as well.  i may be wrong, but it seems like double the aroumd of work for the same amount of output.
[02:06] <jpatrick> Hobbsee: I also made amarok 1.4 packages
[02:07] <Hobbsee> jpatrick: were they the ones on kubuntu.org, or another lot again?
[02:07] <jpatrick> another lot
[02:07] <Hobbsee> same question then.  why?
[02:08] <jpatrick> cos Riddell wasn't here at the time it was released
[02:08] <Hobbsee> ah okay
[02:08] <Czessi> Hobbsee: i have put the latest amarok packages in my repo befor kubuntu.org has do that (since sep 05). i also build amarok 1.4 packages for breezy
[02:08] <jpatrick> it was the beta-2 release, http://tiber.tauware.de/~jpatrick/debs/amarok1.4-beta2/
[02:08] <Hobbsee> Czessi: so i saw :)
[02:09] <Hobbsee> Czessi: got any kopete 0.12 packages done?
[02:09] <Czessi> Hobbsee: and other package i'll upload to revu
[02:09] <Czessi> Hobbsee: I'll build kopete packages this evenig or tomorrow
[02:10] <Hobbsee> and if they dont pass quality control - well, will they be breaking other peoples systems accidently?
[02:10] <kmon_> s/wat/way
[02:10] <kmon_> Hobbsee: yes
[02:10] <kmon_> it's part of my meeting point
[02:10] <Hobbsee> tha'ts what i thought.
[02:11] <Hobbsee> kmon_: excellent :)
[02:11] <kmon_> Hobbsee: I can't talk privately, my nick is not registered
[02:11] <Hobbsee> :P
[02:11] <Hobbsee> at all?
[02:11] <kmon_> I'm lazy
[02:11] <kmon_> xD
[02:11] <Hobbsee> hehe.  very.
[02:12] <Hobbsee> memoserv doesnt work for unregged people.  plus you cant talk if the channel is +r +m or whatever else.
[02:12] <toma> kmon_: registering a nick is a one liner, you can handle that
[02:12] <kmon_> hehe
[02:12] <Hobbsee> kmon_: oh, that i dont mind?  no, not at all.
[02:13] <kmon_> does nick identification work in konversation?
[02:13] <kmon_> last time I tried it didn't
[02:13] <kmon_> maybe it was me
[02:13] <Hobbsee> kmon_: yes
[02:14] <Hobbsee> kmon_: stick the p/w in the server section, under password
[02:14] <kmon_> and it's integrated in kwallet?
[02:14] <Hobbsee> i dont know about that - i dont use kwallet
[02:14] <kmon_> kwallet rocks
[02:14] <marseillai_> no it's not
[02:15] <Hobbsee> well...i do....i just dont have that section passworded, as my entire machine is passworded, and i always lock the screen when going afk.
[02:33] <mornfall> Hobbsee: password on kwallet protects the data also against reboot->singleuser->get data from drive
[02:33] <mornfall> Hobbsee: unlike the password on your machine
[02:33] <Hobbsee> mornfall: that is true.
[02:34] <Hobbsee> mornfall: fortunately, my parents have no clue how to use linux :P
[02:34] <mornfall> laptops are somewhat more susceptible to this :-)
[02:36] <Hobbsee> true...
[02:36] <Hobbsee> and this is a laptop
[02:41] <kmon_> for edgy I would love to have 15 minutes password remembering feature in kdesu
[02:42] <kmon_> and the fade background trick
[02:42] <kmon_> that gksu has
[02:59] <freeflying|away> Hobbsee: how about kopete?
[02:59] <Hobbsee> freeflying|away: ftbfs.
[02:59] <Hobbsee> ah, error in the make section that i havent figured out yet...
[02:59] <freeflying|away> Hobbsee: I just have compiled it 
[02:59] <Hobbsee> freeflying|away: yay :)
[03:00] <Hobbsee> freeflying|away: does it work nicely?
[03:00] <freeflying|away> Hobbsee: but without jingle support
[03:00] <freeflying|away> Hobbsee: it can work
[03:00] <Hobbsee> freeflying|away: true...
[03:00] <Hobbsee> good
[03:01] <freeflying|away> Hobbsee: need I do something for you  :)
[03:02] <Hobbsee> freeflying|away: sure :)  create the repo version?
[03:02] <Hobbsee> actually, i think Czessi's doing it as well.
[03:03] <freeflying|away> Hobbsee: okey, I'd package it now
[03:03] <Hobbsee> freeflying|away: i can send you what i've got, so far...if you want.  but i'm stuck :P
[03:04] <freeflying|away> Hobbsee: I'd appreciate  :)
[03:04] <Hobbsee_> freeflying|away: sure.  where to?
[03:04] <freeflying|away> Hobbsee_: my mail zhengpeng-hou   kubuntu.org
[03:09] <Hobbsee_> freeflying|away: sent
[03:09] <Hobbsee_> bugger.
[03:10] <jpatrick> ...
[03:11] <Hobbsee_> silly gmail refuses to send a 13 mb file...
[03:13] <jpatrick> upload it somewhere
[03:13] <Hobbsee_> freeflying|away: slowly sending :)
[03:13] <Hobbsee_> got it under the 10mb limit, or whatever it is
[03:13] <Hobbsee_> jpatrick: that'd be even worse - i have nowhere to upload, and my upload limit is very small
[03:13] <Hobbsee_> jpatrick: that'd be even worse - i have nowhere to upload, and my upload limit is very slow
[03:14] <freeflying|away> Hobbsee_:  just need debian direction
[03:14] <jpatrick> Hobbsee_: send to me, and I'll upload
[03:14] <Hobbsee> freeflying|away: bah.  good point.
[03:15] <toma> kubuntu.org/people/~hobbsee ?
[03:15] <freeflying|away> toma: we all haven't account on kubuntu.org
[03:16] <toma> ow
[03:16] <Hobbsee_> toma: i wish!
[03:17] <toma> could be part of the membership
[03:17] <Hobbsee_> freeflying|away: right.  debian dir sent
[03:17] <freeflying|away> toma: at leat for motus
[03:18] <freeflying|away> Hobbsee_: okey, thanks
[03:18] <Hobbsee__> freeflying|away: yeah, but i'm not a motu :P
[03:18] <Hobbsee> right.
[03:18] <freeflying|away> Hobbsee__: haha, you are KC
[03:18] <Hobbsee> freeflying|away: good point.  maybe that'd work
[03:19] <jpatrick> that's evil
[03:19] <Hobbsee> seeing as REVU isnt really the place for that kind of stuff
[03:19] <Hobbsee> jpatrick: hmm?
[03:19] <jpatrick> pitchfork..
[03:19] <Hobbsee> jpatrick: better than a flaming torch.
[03:20] <freeflying|away> Hobbsee__: add it to next kubuntu meeting  :)
[03:20] <Hobbsee> and that certificate fixed!
[03:22] <Riddell> Hobbsee: hmm?
[03:22] <Hobbsee> Riddell: is there a possibility of getting upload rights to kubuntu.org?  like to put files temporarily or something?
[03:22] <Hobbsee> eg kubuntu.org/people/~hobbsee
[03:23] <Hobbsee> like they do for the ubuntu site?
[03:23] <Riddell> people.ubuntu.com is badly named, it's only for canonical employees
[03:23] <Hobbsee__> ah okay
[03:24] <toma> get us a contract then ;-)
[03:24] <Hobbsee> haha
[03:24] <Hobbsee> couldnt tell if it was employees, or motu's, or what...
[03:24] <freeflying|away> Hobbsee: why use cdbs? 
[03:25] <jpatrick> freeflying|away: cos it rocks
[03:25] <Hobbsee> freeflying|away: because kdenetwork does
[03:25] <freeflying|away> hehe
[03:27] <Hobbsee> freeflying|away: and because i tend to understand cdbs more than debhelper
[03:27] <freeflying|away> Hobbsee: debhelper is clearer than cdbs
[03:27] <Hobbsee> i never said which was clearer :P  i said which i understood better :P
[03:27] <Hobbsee> but true
[03:28] <uniq> cdbs makes debian/rules smaller :)
[03:28] <Hobbsee> exactly :)
[03:29] <Hobbsee> bye Riddell 
[03:29] <freeflying|away> Hobbsee: debhelper may be understood more easier than cdbs
[03:30] <Hobbsee> true.
[03:30] <freeflying|away> Hobbsee: so, recommend using debhelper  :)
[03:31] <Hobbsee> bleck.
[03:31] <freeflying|away> :(
[03:33] <uniq> cdbs is nice. It feels cleaner if you don't run into problems.
[03:35] <jpatrick> freeflying|away: cdbs > debhelper
[03:43] <freeflying|away> Hobbsee: where are those patch from?
[03:43] <freeflying|away> jpatrick:  :)
[03:44] <Hobbsee> freeflying|away: which?  oh, kdenetwork - where kopete 0.11 is
[03:44] <Hobbsee> i took out the other couple - seems that one doesnt work, and the other one is fixed in kopete 0.12 anyway
[03:44] <Hobbsee> i'm not sure that all of it's right - just take whatever is of use
[03:45] <freeflying|away> Hobbsee: without those patches, it can be compiled 
[03:46] <Hobbsee> freeflying|away: okay
[03:54] <uniq> hobbsee: are you packaging kopete 0.12? 
[03:55] <Hobbsee> uniq: freeflying is, at the moment, i think
[03:55] <uniq> ok.. i am too :)
[03:55] <freeflying|away> Hobbsee: you'd add the kubuntu's
[03:56] <Hobbsee> i left the kubuntu .po one in
[03:59] <uniq> 0.12 ftbfs with yahoo support here. syntax error in kopete/protocols/yahoo/libkyahoo/yahoobuddyiconloader.cpp
[04:00] <Hobbsee> uniq: same thing?  excellent.
[04:00] <uniq> that's without any patches.
[04:10] <freeflying|away> Hobbsee: change to debhelper 
[04:10] <Hobbsee> freeflying|away: mmm okay
[04:10] <Hobbsee> freeflying|away: if you've got it, there's no point in me finishing it off - no point in duplicating the same work
[04:11] <uniq> no point in trippeling the work either :)
[04:11] <Hobbsee> :P
[04:11] <uniq> so i'll go do something else.
[04:11] <Hobbsee> uniq: there are plenty of thigns to package, if you wanted to
[04:12] <uniq> I usually don't have time.
[04:12] <Hobbsee> uniq: wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuSuggestedPackages
[04:13] <Hobbsee> Czessi: dont worry about kopete 0.12 packages, for dapper at least - freeflying|away's got them :)
[04:15] <apachelogger> Hobbsee: so there will be kopete 0.12 from kubuntu.org?
[04:15] <Hobbsee> apachelogger: so it seems :)
[04:15] <Czessi> Hobbsee: ok :)
[04:15] <apachelogger> k :)
[04:15] <Hobbsee> freeflying|away: when can i test those packages?
[04:16] <apachelogger> freeflying|away: compiles with jingle support on dapper? (libortp dep)
[04:16] <Hobbsee> apachelogger: is that the dep for jingle support?  nice :)
[04:16] <apachelogger> yeah
[04:16] <apachelogger> though only one special version is supported
[04:17] <Hobbsee> well...one's still better than none :)
[04:17] <apachelogger> Tm_T told me that it builds with dapper libortp (but that's already some months ago)
[04:18] <Hobbsee> apachelogger: ah okay :)
[04:18] <Hobbsee> freeflying|away: do you happen to have a breezy pbuilder?
[04:18] <Hobbsee> apachelogger: cool
[04:19] <apachelogger> still no go for dapper on my machine - and my dapper server unreachable :S
[04:20] <Hobbsee> apachelogger: right, so if freeflying either publishes the source wherever he finds to host it, then you can build the dapper source, and see if it builds on breezy?
[04:20] <Hobbsee> and fix/change it however?
[04:20] <apachelogger> sure
[04:20] <Hobbsee> suppose anyone can do that, they dont need a breezy pbuilder to do it
[04:20] <Hobbsee> cool :)
[04:20] <apachelogger> well, kopete 0.12 builds just fine, I'm running SVN for months
[04:21] <Hobbsee> true :)
[04:21] <Hobbsee> but compiling, and stuff in repos doesnt seem to be so easy..
[04:21] <freeflying|away> apachelogger: you may mail me the source tarball
[04:21] <apachelogger> freeflying|away: I don't package svn
[04:21] <apachelogger> still to lazy to write me a script ;-)
[04:21] <apachelogger> *too 
[04:22] <freeflying|away> apachelogger: only debian direction need
[04:22] <apachelogger> freeflying|away: huh?
[04:22] <Hobbsee> s/direction/directory
[04:23] <Hobbsee> freeflying|away: the word you want is directory :P
[04:23] <freeflying|away> Hobbsee: heh, silly my spoken English
[04:23] <Hobbsee> freeflying|away: :)
[04:24] <apachelogger> as I said - I don't package svn - so no debian dir needed
[04:24] <freeflying|away> Hobbsee: dose konversation support spell check
[04:25] <Hobbsee> freeflying|away: not that i've seen
[04:25] <apachelogger> only kopete
[04:25] <Hobbsee> yeah
[04:25] <apachelogger> konvi needs developers
[04:25] <Hobbsee> apachelogger: want to join the team?  :P
[04:25] <Hobbsee> sho_'s very nice :)
[04:25] <apachelogger> Hobbsee: my development skills are somewhere at -10 :P
[04:26] <Hobbsee> apachelogger: hehe, about like mine.  great.
[04:26] <apachelogger> not counting my ruby skills :D
[04:26] <freeflying|away> s/cjeck/check
[04:26] <jpatrick> I don't really like ruby
[04:26] <Hobbsee> hey danimo 
[04:27] <kwwii> howdy all
[04:27] <apachelogger> jpatrick: nothing's better  than ruby :P
[04:27] <apachelogger> heya kwwii
[04:27] <apachelogger> jpatrick: gonna do a planet system in ruby - one day - in far far away feature ;-)
[04:28] <jpatrick> apachelogger: i prefer  python
[04:28] <apachelogger> jpatrick: http://amarok.kde.org/amarokwiki/index.php/User:Apachelogger/Train
[04:29] <jpatrick> apachelogger: License not yet decided... :/
[04:29] <apachelogger> jpatrick: I tend to use MIT license
[04:30] <apachelogger> but free it will be ;-)
[04:30] <jpatrick> ok
[04:31] <danimo> heya Hobbsee
[04:31] <danimo> hi kwwii
[04:33] <danimo> are there backports for xorg 7.1 available for dapper?
[04:34] <Hobbsee> danimo: i'm not sure...i suspect those devs finally went and had a holiday...
[04:34] <danimo> Hobbsee: back, holiday... :)
[04:35] <Hobbsee> that's if they havent passed out from shock, over getting a holiday..
[04:37] <apachelogger> Hobbsee: it's just about getting sober after release party :P
[04:38] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:39] <Hobbsee> night all
[04:39] <Hobbsee> freeflying|away: if you could email me with where you've got that uploaded, i'd be glad to test it out :)  hobbsee@k.o
[04:39] <Hobbsee> or @u.c, take your pick.
[04:40] <freeflying|away> Hobbsee: okey, it's coming :) I'll upload to http://www.ubuntu-zh.org/~freeflying/packages
[04:46] <Flosoft> hey
[04:46] <Flosoft> is anyone else experiencing an extremely slow amarok since the update to the new KDE (Amarok 1.4.0) ?
[04:46] <Flosoft> especially loading songs
[04:47] <apokryphos> Flosoft: #kubuntu for support and questions
[06:02] <_Sime_> toma: I think sebas may have once been in contact with the keytough guy.
[06:03] <toma> _Sime_: ok, would be great in guidance
[06:03] <toma> _Sime_: did something come out of it?
[06:05] <_Sime_> toma: you've got mail.
[06:06] <_Sime_> it is from a while back.
[06:06] <_Sime_> read about the end of the mail.
[06:06] <jpatrick> when does edgy open?
[06:07] <apachelogger> 6-7 afaik
[06:09] <jpatrick> damn
[06:09] <_Sime_> toma: if someone was interested in doing a kind of port of KDE/guidance, then Marvin offered to  help out a bit.
[06:09] <toma> _Sime_: excellent, just read it
[06:10] <_Sime_> toma: do you want to have a go at it? :-)
[06:11] <toma> _Sime_: i'm tempted to say yes, but i don't know anything about python.
[06:12] <_Sime_> toma: you know enough about Qt/KDE. That's the biggest part. Python is trivia to learn.
[06:12] <_Sime_> toma: esp. if you know something else like C++ before.
[06:13] <_Sime_> toma: you are already busy with keyboard stuff in RSIbreak, or not??
[06:13] <toma> _Sime_: not really, just polling for activity from the screensaver lib.
[06:14] <toma> so you suggest modifying keytouch to fit guidance, or start from scratch?
[06:15] <_Sime_> I don't know what keytouch is written in, or how it works. but...
[06:15] <_Sime_> you have to keep in mind that these kinds of apps are >75% GUI code. A lot of the time it is easier to start from scratch.
[06:15] <_Sime_> the hard parts, like dealing with the bugs etc in the keyboard layer, have already been solved I assume.
[06:17] <toma> _Sime_: ok, let me think about, browse through the code and see if I can and want to do it.
[06:17] <_Sime_> toma: cool. That's reasonable. You'll also have to figure out how it would fit into what KDE already has now.
[06:18] <toma> hmm, yes.
[07:10] <MidMark> Hi to all
[07:11] <MidMark> I have noticed a strange bug in kde 3.5.2: if you go in fullscreen mode with any program (ex. kaffeine) and then back to windowed the [X]  on upper right corner is in a different position, in fact if you go with mouse in the upper-right corner you cannot close the program
[07:11] <MidMark> of course the window should be maximized
[07:14] <MidMark> is it kde specific or kubuntu theme specific?
[07:42] <abattoir> Riddell: hello. oem-config on the link you gave me yesterday does not seem to be 'complete'.
[07:42] <abattoir> http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/bzr/oem-config/mainline/menu/ for eg.
[07:42] <abattoir> does not contain files that the oem-config package on main contains
[09:30] <linuxmonkey> nixternal: you up?
[09:32] <ctothej> i need some help compiling a simple program. 
[09:32] <ctothej> in kdevelop
[09:33] <ctothej> when i try to build my project, i am given a dialogue box that says "There is noMakefile in this directory and no configure script for this project. Run automaek & friends and configure first?"
[09:34] <ctothej> When i click "Run Them", i get an error
[09:34] <ctothej> aclocal: configure.in: 8: macro `AM_PROG_LIBTOOL' not found in library
[09:34] <nixternal> whats up linuxmonkey?
[09:34] <ctothej> make: *** [all]  Error 1
[09:34] <ctothej> any suggestions?
[09:37] <toma> ctothej: wrong channel. Better try #kde-devel
[09:38] <ctothej> toma: thanks
[10:18] <verwilst_> hellow!
[10:18] <verwilst_> is the cups printing thingy fixed?
[10:18] <verwilst_> i see all those "we cannot print!" stuffs in reviews
[10:18] <verwilst_> but i can print fine here
[10:18] <verwilst_> has there been an updated package since dapper final?
[10:20] <kmon> hi
[10:21] <kmon> verwilst_: AFAIK not yet
[10:21] <verwilst_> then why can i print? :p
[10:21] <kmon> if you have problems with printing the best you can do is file a bug
[10:21] <kmon> oh
[10:21] <kmon> well, then I don't know
[10:21] <kmon> :)
[10:21] <verwilst_> it's just that i have to reinstall some people i know their pc
[10:22] <verwilst_> which still has hoary
[10:22] <verwilst_> and if their printer will stop working, it's gonna be a bummer ;)
[10:38] <jeroenvrp> help, all my toolbar-icons are gone
[10:39] <jeroenvrp> whatever I do, they are not displayed
[11:04] <MidMark> Riddell: ping
[11:06] <MidMark> why there is access manager when this menu is completely unuseful in kubuntu?
[11:18] <Riddell> MidMark: hi
[11:18] <MidMark> Riddell: hi
[11:18] <Riddell> what's that?
[11:18] <MidMark> the login manager in system settings... why there is that icon when no effects are shown in the login screen?
[11:19] <MidMark> I mean: the effects are shown only if theme is off isn't?
[11:20] <Riddell> kdm doesn't do effects with gdm themes
[11:21] <MidMark> the login screen is gdm?
[11:21] <MidMark> in kubuntu?
[11:22] <Riddell> the theme spec is called gdm
[11:23] <MidMark> but in kubuntu it isn't kdm the login screen by default?
[11:26] <MidMark> Riddell: don't want to bother you sorry...
[11:27] <MidMark> My page is always updated: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuDapperWhatStillNeedsAConsole
[11:27] <MidMark> any tips are appreciated
[11:27] <linuxmonkey> wassup riddell
[11:27] <linuxmonkey> thanx for that info you gave me yesterday
[11:34] <nixternal> i know #kubuntu...but has anyone in here installed kubuntu on a raid0 stripe using the text install disk?