[12:05] <mdke> everything works fine
[12:06] <theCore> bizzare... 
[12:06] <mdke> if you don't want to build pdfs, don't call the pdf targets
[12:06] <theCore> it fails before building the pdfs
[12:06] <theCore> and I want to build the  pdfs
[12:07] <mdke> well, you'll need to install fop then.
[12:07] <mdke> see also https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/PDF
[12:07] <theCore> ok, 2nd try on a clean checkout
[12:10] <theCore> just to be sure, is `svn co https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/branches/dapper dapper-docs' is the correct command for getting the dapper branch?
[12:10] <mdke> yeah
[12:12] <theCore> oh, way better
[12:13] <theCore> at least, I don't get a ton of: No localization exists for "c" or "". Using default "en".
[12:13] <mgalvin> who actually maintains the mailing lists, jdub, heno?
[12:14] <robitaille> jdub is usually the one in change of the ubuntu lists
[12:14] <mdke> theCore: that is not an error.
[12:15] <theCore> mdke: I know, but it's just annoying
[12:15] <mdke> you're a strange guy
[12:15] <mgalvin> robitaille: thanks
[12:16] <mgalvin> robitaille: hey if you are interested at all, i started to add some of the articles you find to the ubuntu weekly newsletter, feel free to add them there if you like
[12:18] <theCore> mdke: maybe a NO_LOC_ERROR flag, would be useful
[12:19] <mdke> maybe just ignore it?
[12:19] <robitaille> mgalvin:  ok
[12:19] <theCore> mdke: that's also an option...
[12:37] <LaserJock> hmm, I'm starting to like epiphany
[12:41] <LaserJock> ohhhhhhh
[12:41] <LaserJock> gdebi rocks hard core
[12:44] <crimsun> ain't it?
[12:45] <crimsun> [nice] 
[12:45] <mdke> yeah
[12:45] <crimsun> granted, I'm used to ``dpkg -i foo.deb && apt-get -f install''
[12:45] <LaserJock> yeah, me too
[12:45] <mdke> planet is getting a 404 from my blog apparently. Can you guys all see http://mdke.org/
[12:45] <LaserJock> but this shows  you the list of files
[12:45] <LaserJock> and shows you control info so you can make sure you did it right ;-)
[12:46] <LaserJock> mdke: yep
[12:46] <crimsun> reachable her
[12:46] <crimsun> e
[12:46] <mdke> weird, stupid planet must have cracky dns servers
[12:48] <LaserJock> ackkk, my starter page is file:///usr/share/ubuntu-artwork/home/locales/index-en_GB.html
[12:48] <mdke> nice!
[12:51] <LaserJock> anybody use IE in wine here?
[12:53] <LaserJock> there is 1 site my wife likes to visit and it only works on Windows with flash
[12:54] <LaserJock> and I can
[12:54] <LaserJock> can't seem to get a driver for the printer in Windows
[01:58] <LaserJock> Corey!
[02:01] <theCore> crimsun: why the apt-get -f install ?
[02:01] <Burgundavia> hey Laser
[02:03] <theCore> mdke: *sigh*, I know now why the docs didn't built properly
[02:03] <theCore> warning: failed to load external entity "/home/matt/tmp/docbook-xsl-snapshot/fo/docbook.xsl"
[02:03] <theCore> compilation error: file ../libs/pdf/ubuntu-pdf.xsl line 11 element import
[02:03] <theCore> xsl:import : unable to load /home/matt/tmp/docbook-xsl-snapshot/fo/docbook.xsl
[02:03] <theCore> make[1] : *** [server-pdf-C]  Error 5
[02:04] <LaserJock> theCore: apt-get -f install grabs the deps since dpkg doesn't do it
[02:05] <theCore> mdke: because smart guy called `matt' hardcoded the location of the stylesheet... ;)
[02:05] <theCore> LaserJock: ah, ok thanks for the info
[02:09] <mdke> theCore: that's not very nice
[02:09] <mdke> that was done for a reason, as you could probably have guessed
[02:10] <theCore> mdke: (it's a joke)
[02:11] <mdke> ok
[02:11] <theCore> btw, where is the stylesheet?
[02:12] <mdke> google will tell you
[02:12] <theCore> /usr/share/xml/docbook/stylesheet/nwalsh/fo/docbook.xsl ?
[02:13] <mdke> if it was there, you think I would have hardcoded another one?
[02:13] <mdke> you have to download them from the internet
[02:14] <mdke> then change the address in ubuntu-pdf.xsl to match where you put them
[02:15] <theCore> mdke: wouldn't be better to add it into the repository?
[02:17] <mdke> theCore: all the stylesheets?
[02:17] <mdke> it's quite big
[02:17] <mdke> and no one really builds the pdfs apart from me, because they are on the website
[02:18] <theCore> mdke: how big actually?
[02:18] <mdke> i dunno, lemme look
[02:18] <mdke> 16 megabytes
[02:18] <LaserJock> uggh
[02:19] <theCore> gezz, 16mb for a sheetstyle? 
[02:19] <mdke> theCore: lots of stylesheets
[02:20] <theCore> mdke: ah, well maybe it worth it then
[02:25] <mgalvin> hey guys, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue1 is about all set in case anyone has time to give it a quick review
[02:25] <mgalvin> trappist: ^^^
[02:26] <mdke> very nice
[02:48] <theCore> LaserJock: are you working on the PG?
[02:48] <LaserJock> not right at this moment
[02:50] <theCore> ok
[02:50] <LaserJock> are you?
[02:52] <theCore> I'm trying
[02:52] <LaserJock> what section?
[02:55] <theCore> I thought the Sync & Merge needed some clarifications, but it seem that it's way better than I thought
[02:55] <LaserJock> hehe
[02:55] <theCore> so, I'm now wandering in the guide, trying to find something
[02:57] <theCore> maybe I could clean the XML ... 
[03:00] <LaserJock> is it that bad? ;-)
[03:04] <theCore> well, the PG the cleanest of all guides
[03:05] <LaserJock> well, it has the fewest people working on it
[03:08] <theCore> LaserJock: do you use a 4 space-long tab?
[03:09] <LaserJock> I don't think I did "replace tab with spaces" but usually I use 2-4 space tabs
[03:09] <LaserJock> probably 4 though
[03:10] <theCore> the xml is indented with tab
[03:10] <theCore> which is fine
[03:13] <theCore> I just have to change the tab-width to whatever I want if I'm not happy
[03:16] <theCore> LaserJock: maybe a better coverage of the packagers utilities would be good
[03:17] <LaserJock> sure
[03:20] <Burgundavia> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WelcomeWindow
[03:20] <Burgundavia> uhh
[03:23] <crimsun> theCore: referring vs. gdebi?
[03:24] <crimsun> theCore: if so, it's to install resolved dependencies.
[03:24] <theCore> crimsun: could be an idea...
[03:25] <crimsun> theCore: ?
[03:25] <theCore> crimsun: oh, 
[03:25] <crimsun> theCore: that's the way it [has been]  was done in Debian for the past eight years or so :)
[03:25] <crimsun> gdebi does it nicely and with style :)
[03:26] <theCore> crimsun: I think dpkg, doesn't allow to install package with unmet dependencies
[03:27] <crimsun> theCore: correct, because it doesn't do any resolution, hence apt-get -f install :)
[03:27] <theCore> crimsun: ah
[03:27] <theCore> crimsun: yeah, I remember know, I had to do it with opera
[03:28] <crimsun> yep, that's precisely how I tested gdebi
[03:28] <crimsun> "will gdebi do this better?"
[03:32] <theCore> that was one of my first amazement on Linux; the ability to launch GUI apps from the command prompt
[03:33] <theCore> crimsun: does gdebi did it better?
[03:34] <crimsun> theCore: certainly with more style
[03:34] <theCore> :)
[04:58] <mgalvin> jsgotangco: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue1
[04:59] <mgalvin> just about all set so i think i am going to send it to ubuntu-news before i go to bed
[04:59] <mgalvin> take a peek and lemme know what you think
[05:00] <jsgotangco> i'd say
[05:01] <mgalvin> i just thought it would be nice to send them out each weekend
[05:02] <jsgotangco> although the edubuntu team might still want a detailed edubuntu newsletter every week though
[05:02] <jsgotangco> but i've just read this one, and I say its good to go
[05:04] <mgalvin> aside from the release its a slow news week, normally i think each distro will have more (and more detailed) info
[05:05] <jsgotangco> yes
[05:05] <jsgotangco> i think edgy opens in 2 days
[05:05] <jsgotangco> or 3
[05:05] <mgalvin> yea
[05:07] <mgalvin> jane and mdz stressed one letter, but if the edubuntu team wants a dedicated letter i would not object but i don't know if it would really be necessary
[05:11] <jsgotangco> let's see how it goes next week, there's no activity after release so there isn't much to write about
[05:11] <jsgotangco> but i agree this is like resurrecting traffic
[05:11] <jsgotangco> brb i need to change locales to make console examples
[05:27] <mgalvin> jsgotangco: i will send it on its way then, ok? and i think each will have more content next week anyway
[05:34] <jsgotangco> yeah
[05:37] <mgalvin> k
[11:47] <mdke> Madpilot: are you in mid release party?
[11:47] <Madpilot> just got back from it, actually. it's 0246 here.
[11:47] <Madpilot> was good, only half a dozen people but much beer and geeking ;)
[11:48] <mdke> cool :)
[11:48] <mdke> happy dapper then
[11:48] <Madpilot> thanks
[11:48] <Madpilot> (especially now that I've got everything reinstalled and do indeed have a happy dapper on this box)
[11:52] <mdke> nice
[11:53] <lastnode> mdke, DRP in progress ;-)
[11:55] <mdke> lastnode: cool!
[11:58] <lastnode> Madpilot, you asked here in #ubuntu-offtopic? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SriLankanTeam/DapperReleaseParty
[11:59] <Madpilot> lastnode, nice - I just got back from our small release party here - mostly an excuse to drink beer with friends I don't see often enough, with a couple of new people this time
[12:08] <lastnode> Madpilot, we've given out a lot of CDs actually
[12:08] <Madpilot> nice - what time of day is it in Sri Lanka right now
[12:08] <Madpilot> ?
[12:08] <mdke> lastnode: got some new translators?
[12:09] <lastnode> mdke, trying to find
[12:11] <lastnode> @now colombo
[12:11] <lastnode> Madpilot, it's 15:41
[12:11] <Ubugtu> Current time in Asia/Colombo: June 04 2006, 16:11:32
[12:12] <lastnode> there we go
[12:12] <lastnode> we changed time zones
[12:15] <Madpilot> ours was an evening party, at a private house - it would be interesting to do a public/daytime event
[12:15] <Madpilot> not sure we've got the manpower locally, though
[12:34] <lastnode> Madpilot, got pictures! uploading
[01:31] <jsgotangco> mdke: ping?
[01:31] <jsgotangco> mdke: who said the Style Guide is in the Public domain?
[01:34] <jsgotangco> all the docs had their relevant license but it seems the style guide went to PD when it was explicitly licensed as CC-by-SA when it was announced
[01:34] <jsgotangco> GFDL+CC-by-SA
[01:37] <mdke> jsgotangco: eh?
[01:38] <jsgotangco> http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/styleguide/en/index.html
[01:39] <jsgotangco> it must have been a parsing thing during migration
[01:40] <mdke> jsgotangco: parsing? migration?
[01:40] <mdke>                   <releaseinfo>This document is in the Public Domain. </releasei nfo>
[01:40] <jsgotangco> I'm positive that doc isn't PD
[01:40] <mdke> jsgotangco: ok. But it says that it is
[01:41] <mdke> you'll need to talk to the maintainer to find out more though
[01:41] <mdke> i.e. jeff
[01:43] <mdke> i vaguely remember jeff asking each author's permission for a change of licence. Dunno if it was to PD though, I can't remember
[01:44] <jsgotangco> its dual license as our other docs im pretty sure it is because i made the annoucement but i will verify it as well
[02:07] <lastnode> mdke, picthaz - http://flickr.com/photos/mahangu/sets/72157594154931177/
[02:09] <jsgotangco> where is this?
[02:11] <mdke> columbo
[02:11] <mdke> nice
[02:12] <jsgotangco> nice
[02:12] <jsgotangco> posh place even
[02:24] <jsgotangco> is that a monk?
[07:52] <smeacterne> hey guys - could somebody search their irc logs for this channel and see if any messages were sent from: rjvqv177
[07:52] <smeacterne> I think I got hacked in the few days I've been away
[07:53] <mdke> ok, but I don't remember it
[07:54] <mdke> smeacterne: nope, is clean.
[07:58] <smeacterne> ok... thanks mdke
[07:58] <smeacterne> I'm going to have to dig around and see if I got hacked, or if there was just some server fluke
[07:59] <smeacterne> I'll be back when I get it sorted.. :-)
[08:00] <sladen> mdke: http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ needs some work
[08:00] <sladen> it currently says "Ubuntu doesn't have a pretty graphical installer, it has a FAST and EASY installer." ...
[08:00] <mdke> yes
[08:01] <mdke> filing a bug might be in order.
[08:01] <sladen> mdke: http://www.canonical.com/ doesn't mention employees in South Africa
[08:04] <mdke> sladen: no offence, but what has that got to do with me?
[08:05] <sladen> mdke: where's a better place?
[08:05] <mdke> sladen: http://canonical.com/contact
[08:05] <mdke> ?
[08:05] <sladen> mdke: you have a reputuation for getting things done, so it's easier to aims things at you than leaving them floating in the air
[08:06] <mdke> that's nice. But in this case I can't - I don't work for Canonical or have access to their website
[08:06] <mdke> as for the website, I can help
[08:07] <mdke> but I don't have much time to work on the alternative text, so if you file a bug or create a wiki page with better text, I will take a look, poke Henrik or upload it myself if it's not invasive
[08:15] <mdke> sladen: or if you don't have time either, I bet you can convince Corey to do it 
[08:16] <sladen> mdke: yeah, I noticed he wasn't in this channel
[10:34] <Madpilot> just updated https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuEyeCandy with shiny Dapper screenshots
[11:03] <Laser_away> sladen: are there employees in South Africa?
[11:03] <Burgundavia> Laser_away: of Canonical? yes
[11:03] <dsas> isn't janeW there?
[11:03] <Burgundavia> Laser_away: no response to my email yet
[11:03] <Burgundavia> dsas: yes, but she is leaving
[11:05] <dsas> Yeah, I think I heard that somewhere. 
[11:06] <Laser_away> Burgundavia: I thought she said she was the last, but I could be mistaken
[11:06] <Burgundavia> she was, but I think her husband might be being hired
[11:09] <mdke> I think sladen meant the people at tsf and hbd, dunno. They're not at canonical though
[11:10] <mdke> Madpilot: any luck with the old covers? I uploaded the pdfs to lulu
[11:10] <Madpilot> mdke, haven't even started, been busy with other stuff. I'll have a go with them in a few minutes.
[11:11] <mdke> Madpilot: oh awesome. Cheers
[11:11] <mdke> I feel like I'm bugging you too much
[11:14] <Madpilot> np. re-installing the whole damn system has been a bit of a distraction here ;)
[11:21] <Burgundavia> ok, I have done my apt-get work today
[11:23] <mdke> Burgundavia: what's wrong with dovecot in dapper?
[11:23] <Madpilot> mdke, http://www.warbard.ca/temp/Ubuntu_Covers/UDG_it.png
[11:23] <Burgundavia> mdke: no, idea , the note was there before I got to the page
[11:24] <mdke> hmm
[11:24] <mdke> dovecot is in main...
[11:25] <mdke> Madpilot: looks good. do you have a script or are you doing it by hand?
[11:25] <Madpilot> bit of both.
[11:25] <Madpilot> robotgeek's script gets me the translated strings, then I just copy/paste into Inkscape
[11:25] <Madpilot> and export as png from there
[11:26] <mdke> Madpilot: ok. cool. Can you post me the back covers, and I'll start uploading some stuff
[11:26] <Madpilot> the back covers are all just plain
[11:26] <mdke> yeah
[11:26] <mdke> same for all languages
[11:26] <Madpilot> http://www.warbard.ca/temp/Ubuntu_Covers/Lulu_back_covers.tar.gz
[11:27] <Madpilot> ^^^ that should be the final size for the backs
[11:27] <mdke> great, thanks
[11:29] <Madpilot> pt & pt_BR are up at http://www.warbard.ca/temp/Ubuntu_Covers/ nw
[11:30] <Madpilot> now, even
[11:32] <poningru> in moinmoin how do you redirect?
[11:32] <Madpilot> poningru, #REDIRECT NewPage
[11:32] <poningru> sweet thanks
[11:33] <poningru> you mean [NewPage]  right?
[11:34] <mdke> just NewPage
[11:34] <poningru> oh...
[11:35] <Madpilot> mdke, es & sv up
[11:37] <poningru> thanks
[11:41] <Madpilot> mdke, id up for UDG... I can't get the Chinese & Korean text to display properly for some reason
[11:42] <mdke> Madpilot: ok. thanks. Am uploading back covers
[11:48] <Madpilot> http://www.warbard.ca/temp/Ubuntu_Covers/XDG_pt_BR.png <-- pt_BR Xubuntu DG cover
[11:49] <mdke> Madpilot: can you give me good colour for the various spines?
[11:49] <mdke> something that will more or less beldn in with the front/back for each theme
[11:49] <mdke> not only beldn in, but also blend in
[11:49] <mdke> LaserJock: btw, how was the spine on your book? font big enough and so on?
[11:50] <Madpilot> mdke, the orange at the bottom of the Ubuntu DGs cover is #f44800, if you want to use that
[11:50] <Madpilot> XDG blue is #0081D3
[11:50] <LaserJock> mdke: yeah, it did wrap a little bit though
[11:51] <mdke> LaserJock: how so?
[11:51] <LaserJock> mdke: like the spine was just a little too thin
[11:51] <LaserJock> just a smidgen
[11:51] <mdke> so a smaller font?
[11:51] <LaserJock> actually, I'm looking at it now
[11:52] <LaserJock> it looks like just wasn't centered quite right
[11:52] <LaserJock> the front cover is like 1mm on the spine
[11:52] <mdke> tut tut
[11:52] <LaserJock> but the font is good IMO
[11:52] <mdke> alright
[11:52] <mdke> not that I can remember what font it was :/
[11:52] <LaserJock> hehe
[11:53] <mdke> Madpilot: http://mdke.org/tmp/cover.pdf
[11:54] <Madpilot> mdke, looks very cool
[11:55] <Madpilot> should we go for the tan on the spine instead though?
[11:55] <mdke> it might be safer, if there is a risk of one overlapping onto the other
[11:55] <mdke> I think it looks pretty cool though, don't mind
[11:56] <Madpilot> the UDG tan is #FDD99B
[11:57] <mdke> ok, gotcha
[11:57] <mdke> Xubuntu?
[11:57] <Madpilot> XDG's grey is #99A9C0
[11:58] <Madpilot> Kubuntu is white, and the blue is #AACCEE
[11:58] <LaserJock> mdke: my solution to the spine thing was to make the Packaging Guide thicker ;-)
[12:05] <sladen> mdke: charles is there
[12:05] <Burgundavia> sladen: didn't charles move to Impi?