[12:05] everything works fine [12:06] bizzare... [12:06] if you don't want to build pdfs, don't call the pdf targets [12:06] it fails before building the pdfs [12:06] and I want to build the pdfs [12:07] well, you'll need to install fop then. [12:07] see also https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/PDF [12:07] ok, 2nd try on a clean checkout === _sara [n=sara@pool-70-106-119-36.pskn.east.verizon.net] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Konversation] [12:10] just to be sure, is `svn co https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/branches/dapper dapper-docs' is the correct command for getting the dapper branch? [12:10] yeah === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-doc [12:12] oh, way better [12:13] at least, I don't get a ton of: No localization exists for "c" or "". Using default "en". [12:13] who actually maintains the mailing lists, jdub, heno? [12:14] jdub is usually the one in change of the ubuntu lists [12:14] theCore: that is not an error. [12:15] mdke: I know, but it's just annoying [12:15] you're a strange guy [12:15] robitaille: thanks [12:16] robitaille: hey if you are interested at all, i started to add some of the articles you find to the ubuntu weekly newsletter, feel free to add them there if you like [12:18] mdke: maybe a NO_LOC_ERROR flag, would be useful [12:19] maybe just ignore it? [12:19] mgalvin: ok [12:19] mdke: that's also an option... [12:37] hmm, I'm starting to like epiphany === mdke pats LaserJock [12:41] ohhhhhhh [12:41] gdebi rocks hard core [12:44] ain't it? [12:45] [nice] [12:45] yeah [12:45] granted, I'm used to ``dpkg -i foo.deb && apt-get -f install'' [12:45] yeah, me too [12:45] planet is getting a 404 from my blog apparently. Can you guys all see http://mdke.org/ [12:45] but this shows you the list of files [12:45] and shows you control info so you can make sure you did it right ;-) [12:46] mdke: yep [12:46] reachable her [12:46] e [12:46] weird, stupid planet must have cracky dns servers [12:48] ackkk, my starter page is file:///usr/share/ubuntu-artwork/home/locales/index-en_GB.html [12:48] nice! === ompaul [n=ompaul@ubuntu/member/ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-doc [12:51] anybody use IE in wine here? [12:53] there is 1 site my wife likes to visit and it only works on Windows with flash === mdke nods, reminds him of gf with her soap websites [12:54] and I can [12:54] can't seem to get a driver for the printer in Windows === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-doc [01:58] Corey! === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-doc [02:01] crimsun: why the apt-get -f install ? [02:01] hey Laser === Burgundavia just woke up [02:03] mdke: *sigh*, I know now why the docs didn't built properly [02:03] warning: failed to load external entity "/home/matt/tmp/docbook-xsl-snapshot/fo/docbook.xsl" [02:03] compilation error: file ../libs/pdf/ubuntu-pdf.xsl line 11 element import [02:03] xsl:import : unable to load /home/matt/tmp/docbook-xsl-snapshot/fo/docbook.xsl [02:03] make[1] : *** [server-pdf-C] Error 5 [02:04] theCore: apt-get -f install grabs the deps since dpkg doesn't do it [02:05] mdke: because smart guy called `matt' hardcoded the location of the stylesheet... ;) [02:05] LaserJock: ah, ok thanks for the info [02:09] theCore: that's not very nice [02:09] that was done for a reason, as you could probably have guessed [02:10] mdke: (it's a joke) === theCore completely missed again his joke [02:11] ok [02:11] btw, where is the stylesheet? [02:12] google will tell you [02:12] /usr/share/xml/docbook/stylesheet/nwalsh/fo/docbook.xsl ? [02:13] if it was there, you think I would have hardcoded another one? [02:13] you have to download them from the internet === theCore must learn to shut up [02:14] then change the address in ubuntu-pdf.xsl to match where you put them [02:15] mdke: wouldn't be better to add it into the repository? [02:17] theCore: all the stylesheets? [02:17] it's quite big [02:17] and no one really builds the pdfs apart from me, because they are on the website [02:18] mdke: how big actually? [02:18] i dunno, lemme look [02:18] 16 megabytes [02:18] uggh [02:19] gezz, 16mb for a sheetstyle? [02:19] theCore: lots of stylesheets [02:20] mdke: ah, well maybe it worth it then [02:25] hey guys, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue1 is about all set in case anyone has time to give it a quick review [02:25] trappist: ^^^ [02:26] very nice === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-doc [02:48] LaserJock: are you working on the PG? [02:48] not right at this moment [02:50] ok [02:50] are you? [02:52] I'm trying [02:52] what section? [02:55] I thought the Sync & Merge needed some clarifications, but it seem that it's way better than I thought [02:55] hehe [02:55] so, I'm now wandering in the guide, trying to find something [02:57] maybe I could clean the XML ... [03:00] is it that bad? ;-) [03:04] well, the PG the cleanest of all guides [03:05] well, it has the fewest people working on it [03:08] LaserJock: do you use a 4 space-long tab? [03:09] I don't think I did "replace tab with spaces" but usually I use 2-4 space tabs [03:09] probably 4 though [03:10] the xml is indented with tab [03:10] which is fine [03:13] I just have to change the tab-width to whatever I want if I'm not happy [03:16] LaserJock: maybe a better coverage of the packagers utilities would be good [03:17] sure [03:20] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WelcomeWindow [03:20] uhh [03:23] theCore: referring vs. gdebi? [03:24] theCore: if so, it's to install resolved dependencies. [03:24] crimsun: could be an idea... [03:25] theCore: ? [03:25] crimsun: oh, [03:25] theCore: that's the way it [has been] was done in Debian for the past eight years or so :) [03:25] gdebi does it nicely and with style :) [03:26] crimsun: I think dpkg, doesn't allow to install package with unmet dependencies [03:27] theCore: correct, because it doesn't do any resolution, hence apt-get -f install :) [03:27] crimsun: ah [03:27] crimsun: yeah, I remember know, I had to do it with opera [03:28] yep, that's precisely how I tested gdebi [03:28] "will gdebi do this better?" [03:32] that was one of my first amazement on Linux; the ability to launch GUI apps from the command prompt [03:33] crimsun: does gdebi did it better? [03:34] theCore: certainly with more style [03:34] :) === Kamping_Kaiser [n=kgoetz@ppp193-84.lns1.adl4.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:58] jsgotangco: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue1 === lastnode [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:59] just about all set so i think i am going to send it to ubuntu-news before i go to bed [04:59] take a peek and lemme know what you think [05:00] i'd say [05:01] i just thought it would be nice to send them out each weekend [05:02] although the edubuntu team might still want a detailed edubuntu newsletter every week though [05:02] but i've just read this one, and I say its good to go [05:04] aside from the release its a slow news week, normally i think each distro will have more (and more detailed) info [05:05] yes [05:05] i think edgy opens in 2 days [05:05] or 3 [05:05] yea [05:07] jane and mdz stressed one letter, but if the edubuntu team wants a dedicated letter i would not object but i don't know if it would really be necessary [05:11] let's see how it goes next week, there's no activity after release so there isn't much to write about [05:11] but i agree this is like resurrecting traffic [05:11] brb i need to change locales to make console examples === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:27] jsgotangco: i will send it on its way then, ok? and i think each will have more content next week anyway [05:34] yeah === rogelio [n=rogelio@150-214-246-201.adsl.terra.cl] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:37] k === rob [i=Robert@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.rob] has joined #ubuntu-doc === rob [i=Robert@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.rob] has joined #ubuntu-doc === lastnode_ [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-doc === tuxmaniac [n=aanjhan@59.92.34.185] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-doc === theCore [n=alex@modemcable240.218-70-69.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-doc === lastnode [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === tuxmaniac [n=aanjhan@59.92.34.185] has joined #ubuntu-doc === klepas [n=klepas@203-213-31-142.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc === theCore [n=alex@modemcable240.218-70-69.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-doc === rogelio [n=rogelio@150-214-246-201.adsl.terra.cl] has left #ubuntu-doc [":D"] === theCore [n=alex@modemcable240.218-70-69.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-doc === theCore [n=alex@modemcable240.218-70-69.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-doc === dsas [n=dean@host81-129-229-196.range81-129.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === manicka [n=manicka@ubuntu/member/manicka] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Madpilot [n=brian@ubuntu/member/madpilot] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:47] Madpilot: are you in mid release party? [11:47] just got back from it, actually. it's 0246 here. [11:47] was good, only half a dozen people but much beer and geeking ;) [11:48] cool :) [11:48] happy dapper then [11:48] thanks [11:48] (especially now that I've got everything reinstalled and do indeed have a happy dapper on this box) [11:52] nice [11:53] mdke, DRP in progress ;-) [11:55] lastnode: cool! [11:58] Madpilot, you asked here in #ubuntu-offtopic? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SriLankanTeam/DapperReleaseParty [11:59] lastnode, nice - I just got back from our small release party here - mostly an excuse to drink beer with friends I don't see often enough, with a couple of new people this time === pygi [n=pygi@83-131-251-88.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-doc [12:08] Madpilot, we've given out a lot of CDs actually [12:08] nice - what time of day is it in Sri Lanka right now [12:08] ? [12:08] lastnode: got some new translators? [12:09] mdke, trying to find [12:11] @now colombo [12:11] Madpilot, it's 15:41 [12:11] Current time in Asia/Colombo: June 04 2006, 16:11:32 [12:12] there we go [12:12] we changed time zones [12:15] ours was an evening party, at a private house - it would be interesting to do a public/daytime event [12:15] not sure we've got the manpower locally, though [12:34] Madpilot, got pictures! uploading === dsas [n=dean@host81-129-229-196.range81-129.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === lloydinho [n=andreas@rosinante.egmont-kol.dk] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-doc [01:31] mdke: ping? [01:31] mdke: who said the Style Guide is in the Public domain? [01:34] all the docs had their relevant license but it seems the style guide went to PD when it was explicitly licensed as CC-by-SA when it was announced [01:34] GFDL+CC-by-SA [01:37] jsgotangco: eh? [01:38] http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/styleguide/en/index.html [01:39] it must have been a parsing thing during migration [01:40] jsgotangco: parsing? migration? [01:40] This document is in the Public Domain. [01:40] I'm positive that doc isn't PD [01:40] jsgotangco: ok. But it says that it is [01:41] you'll need to talk to the maintainer to find out more though [01:41] i.e. jeff [01:43] i vaguely remember jeff asking each author's permission for a change of licence. Dunno if it was to PD though, I can't remember [01:44] its dual license as our other docs im pretty sure it is because i made the annoucement but i will verify it as well [02:07] mdke, picthaz - http://flickr.com/photos/mahangu/sets/72157594154931177/ [02:09] where is this? [02:11] columbo [02:11] nice [02:12] nice [02:12] posh place even === pygi [n=pygi@83-131-226-120.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-doc [02:24] is that a monk? === pygi_ [n=pygi@83-131-245-64.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-doc === klepas [n=klepas@203-213-31-142.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc === tuxmaniac [n=aanjhan@59.92.62.217] has joined #ubuntu-doc === aanjhan_ [n=aanjhan@59.92.93.230] has joined #ubuntu-doc === tuxmaniac [n=aanjhan@59.92.93.230] has joined #ubuntu-doc === tuxmaniac [n=aanjhan@59.92.34.177] has joined #ubuntu-doc === lastnode [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === lastnode_ [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === lastnode__ [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === theCore [n=alex@modemcable240.218-70-69.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-doc === poningru_ [n=poningru@ip24-250-225-41.ga.at.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === lastnode [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === lastnode [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:52] hey guys - could somebody search their irc logs for this channel and see if any messages were sent from: rjvqv177 [07:52] I think I got hacked in the few days I've been away [07:53] ok, but I don't remember it [07:54] smeacterne: nope, is clean. [07:58] ok... thanks mdke [07:58] I'm going to have to dig around and see if I got hacked, or if there was just some server fluke [07:59] I'll be back when I get it sorted.. :-) === sladen [i=paul@starsky.19inch.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:00] mdke: http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ needs some work [08:00] it currently says "Ubuntu doesn't have a pretty graphical installer, it has a FAST and EASY installer." ... [08:00] yes [08:01] filing a bug might be in order. [08:01] mdke: http://www.canonical.com/ doesn't mention employees in South Africa [08:04] sladen: no offence, but what has that got to do with me? [08:05] mdke: where's a better place? [08:05] sladen: http://canonical.com/contact [08:05] ? [08:05] mdke: you have a reputuation for getting things done, so it's easier to aims things at you than leaving them floating in the air [08:06] that's nice. But in this case I can't - I don't work for Canonical or have access to their website [08:06] as for the website, I can help [08:07] but I don't have much time to work on the alternative text, so if you file a bug or create a wiki page with better text, I will take a look, poke Henrik or upload it myself if it's not invasive [08:15] sladen: or if you don't have time either, I bet you can convince Corey to do it === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:16] mdke: yeah, I noticed he wasn't in this channel === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Madpilot [n=brian@ubuntu/member/madpilot] has joined #ubuntu-doc === dsas [n=dean@host81-129-229-196.range81-129.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:34] just updated https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuEyeCandy with shiny Dapper screenshots === dsas [n=dean@host81-129-229-196.range81-129.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === rob [i=Robert@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.rob] has joined #ubuntu-doc === pygi [n=pygi@83-131-236-89.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:03] sladen: are there employees in South Africa? [11:03] Laser_away: of Canonical? yes [11:03] isn't janeW there? [11:03] Laser_away: no response to my email yet [11:03] dsas: yes, but she is leaving [11:05] Yeah, I think I heard that somewhere. [11:06] Burgundavia: I thought she said she was the last, but I could be mistaken [11:06] she was, but I think her husband might be being hired === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:09] I think sladen meant the people at tsf and hbd, dunno. They're not at canonical though [11:10] Madpilot: any luck with the old covers? I uploaded the pdfs to lulu [11:10] mdke, haven't even started, been busy with other stuff. I'll have a go with them in a few minutes. [11:11] Madpilot: oh awesome. Cheers [11:11] I feel like I'm bugging you too much === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:14] np. re-installing the whole damn system has been a bit of a distraction here ;) [11:21] ok, I have done my apt-get work today [11:23] Burgundavia: what's wrong with dovecot in dapper? [11:23] mdke, http://www.warbard.ca/temp/Ubuntu_Covers/UDG_it.png [11:23] mdke: no, idea , the note was there before I got to the page [11:24] hmm [11:24] dovecot is in main... [11:25] Madpilot: looks good. do you have a script or are you doing it by hand? [11:25] bit of both. [11:25] robotgeek's script gets me the translated strings, then I just copy/paste into Inkscape [11:25] and export as png from there [11:26] Madpilot: ok. cool. Can you post me the back covers, and I'll start uploading some stuff [11:26] the back covers are all just plain [11:26] yeah [11:26] same for all languages [11:26] http://www.warbard.ca/temp/Ubuntu_Covers/Lulu_back_covers.tar.gz [11:27] ^^^ that should be the final size for the backs [11:27] great, thanks [11:29] pt & pt_BR are up at http://www.warbard.ca/temp/Ubuntu_Covers/ nw [11:30] now, even [11:32] in moinmoin how do you redirect? [11:32] poningru, #REDIRECT NewPage [11:32] sweet thanks [11:33] you mean [NewPage] right? === poningru tests it [11:34] just NewPage [11:34] oh... [11:35] mdke, es & sv up === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:37] thanks [11:41] mdke, id up for UDG... I can't get the Chinese & Korean text to display properly for some reason [11:42] Madpilot: ok. thanks. Am uploading back covers [11:48] http://www.warbard.ca/temp/Ubuntu_Covers/XDG_pt_BR.png <-- pt_BR Xubuntu DG cover [11:49] Madpilot: can you give me good colour for the various spines? [11:49] something that will more or less beldn in with the front/back for each theme [11:49] not only beldn in, but also blend in [11:49] LaserJock: btw, how was the spine on your book? font big enough and so on? [11:50] mdke, the orange at the bottom of the Ubuntu DGs cover is #f44800, if you want to use that [11:50] XDG blue is #0081D3 [11:50] mdke: yeah, it did wrap a little bit though [11:51] LaserJock: how so? [11:51] mdke: like the spine was just a little too thin [11:51] just a smidgen [11:51] so a smaller font? [11:51] actually, I'm looking at it now [11:52] it looks like just wasn't centered quite right [11:52] the front cover is like 1mm on the spine [11:52] tut tut [11:52] but the font is good IMO [11:52] alright [11:52] not that I can remember what font it was :/ [11:52] hehe [11:53] Madpilot: http://mdke.org/tmp/cover.pdf [11:54] mdke, looks very cool [11:55] should we go for the tan on the spine instead though? [11:55] it might be safer, if there is a risk of one overlapping onto the other [11:55] I think it looks pretty cool though, don't mind [11:56] the UDG tan is #FDD99B [11:57] ok, gotcha [11:57] Xubuntu? [11:57] XDG's grey is #99A9C0 [11:58] Kubuntu is white, and the blue is #AACCEE [11:58] mdke: my solution to the spine thing was to make the Packaging Guide thicker ;-) [12:05] mdke: charles is there [12:05] sladen: didn't charles move to Impi?