| sladen | spacey: interesting. a 64MB download | 12:06 |
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| sladen | the data can go in multiverse | 12:07 |
| sladen | which probably means having to put the engine in there aswell since I think there's a policy against free software where the only (current) way to use it is relying on non-free data files | 12:07 |
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| spacey | yeh | 12:11 |
| spacey | goodnight | 12:11 |
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| sladen | nice. the source-code you can download doesn't match the binary you can download | 12:41 |
| sladen | *sigh* | 12:41 |
| \sh | sladen: this warbla thing? | 12:43 |
| sladen | warsow | 12:43 |
| sladen | neither does the binary download come with a "written offer" of where to download the source code | 12:44 |
| sladen | but then you ask and find that it's inside "the SDK" | 12:44 |
| \sh | oh joy | 12:44 |
| sladen | and then find that the source code in there doesn't contain the code to print the error that the binary is giving you... | 12:44 |
| \sh | sladen: so it doesn't work for you, too? | 12:45 |
| Erlang | well, that sure seems like a fun game | 12:45 |
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| sladen | \sh: Error: R_Upload32_3D: texture (***r_dlighttexture***) is too large ? | 12:51 |
| sladen | this URL: http://www.quakesrc.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=54650&sid=d484e44d62144e8a5e208659376ca7bf | 12:52 |
| sladen | includes the fix | 12:52 |
| sladen | but it's a bit hard to apply that when the context and the code is *completely missing* | 12:52 |
| \sh | sladen: yes | 12:53 |
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| bmonty | nice, I just found a site that makes it so you can create vmware images with the player | 01:04 |
| LaserJock | bmonty: you can also use qemu | 01:06 |
| bmonty | LaserJock: yeah, I'm going to try both and see which I like better | 01:07 |
| bmonty | bbl | 01:09 |
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| jabra | trying to install a debootstrap of debian | 01:25 |
| jabra | getting an error while doing the install | 01:26 |
| sladen | bmonty: qemu-img ? | 01:29 |
| sladen | bmonty: hint hint | 01:29 |
| plugwash | jabra and the error is? | 01:33 |
| plugwash | jabra try using cdebootstrap instead, its generally better at installing suites that are newer than the version of debootstrap | 01:34 |
| LaserJock | debootstrap should work fine though | 01:35 |
| Erlang | debootstrap can't bootstrap a 32 bit system on a 64 bit machine. That suck. | 01:36 |
| LaserJock | ? | 01:36 |
| LaserJock | why not? | 01:36 |
| Erlang | because whenever you specify --arch=i386 it crashes unless has been done in the last week that I don't know about. | 01:37 |
| LaserJock | hmm, I didn't know that | 01:37 |
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| Erlang | cdebootstrap works fine thought but it's only for Debian distro. | 01:38 |
| LaserJock | I don't have a 64-bit so I've never tried it but I know it worked in the past | 01:38 |
| plugwash | cdebootstrap debian and upgrade to ubuntu? | 01:50 |
| LaserJock | darn it, bzr isn't working :( | 01:56 |
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| sladen | Erlang: can you file a bug pelase | 01:57 |
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| Erlang | sladen: IMHO it's been filed in Debian for a while but I'll double check. | 02:06 |
| jabra | plugwash: thanks | 02:07 |
| jabra | will do | 02:07 |
| jabra | let you know how that goes | 02:11 |
| jabra | got an error | 02:14 |
| jabra | Couldn't install root! | 02:14 |
| jabra | ran the following | 02:14 |
| jabra | root # cdebootstrap sid /media/usbdisk-3/sid-root http://ftp.debian.org/debian | 02:14 |
| plugwash | what happens if you leave off the last parameter? | 02:15 |
| jabra | which is ? --arch i386? | 02:15 |
| sladen | Erlang: if it's happening in Ubuntu, file it in Ubuntu and link to the upstream bug report | 02:16 |
| jabra | retrying without the url | 02:16 |
| Erlang | sladen: working on that... | 02:16 |
| Erlang | or maybe the problem comes from pbuider. | 02:17 |
| Erlang | darn it's working now. | 02:22 |
| jabra | problem persists with cdebootstrap | 02:23 |
| jabra | E: Couldn't install root! | 02:23 |
| Erlang | sladen: in retrospect, it was a weird glitch with command line parsing in pbuilder. | 02:24 |
| jabra | persists with sarge as well as sid | 02:31 |
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| crimsun | go bddebian, go! :) | 03:38 |
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| tseng | @seen Yagisan | 03:40 |
| tseng | !seen Yagisan | 03:40 |
| bddebian | Heya tseng | 03:41 |
| tseng | Ubugtu: you are lame. | 03:41 |
| tseng | hi bddebian | 03:41 |
| bddebian | heh | 03:41 |
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| tseng | bddebian: :< | 03:49 |
| bddebian | Aye | 03:49 |
| bluefoxicy | hey tseng | 03:50 |
| bluefoxicy | as far as devs go, what is the potential for a hardening team on Ubuntu? | 03:50 |
| tseng | Yagisan | 03:50 |
| tseng | is the man | 03:50 |
| bluefoxicy | I get the feeling nobody cares, mainly because the last group seems to have milled around and then you know... died | 03:50 |
| bluefoxicy | ah ok | 03:50 |
| tseng | if you like to talk | 03:50 |
| bluefoxicy | trulux just sort of moved to fedora | 03:51 |
| tseng | you and trulux can talk yourselves to death | 03:51 |
| bddebian | bluefoxicy: You may want to ... nevermind :-) | 03:51 |
| bluefoxicy | and the rest of them... like.... are wandering around like "the sky is blue~" | 03:51 |
| tseng | Yagisan is actually making forward progress | 03:51 |
| tseng | and | 03:51 |
| bluefoxicy | tseng: hey at least I am able to talk in understandable english; although trulux is able to actually make things happen with selinux et al. | 03:51 |
| tseng | the CTO of canonical has SSP and NX on his hot list of features for edgy | 03:51 |
| bluefoxicy | ah | 03:51 |
| tseng | bluefoxicy: I respectfully disagree | 03:51 |
| bluefoxicy | tseng I wrote out a specification based on the UDU ProactiveSecurityRoadmap for a first step | 03:52 |
| tseng | Yagisan and I were involved in that | 03:52 |
| tseng | and ajmitch | 03:53 |
| bluefoxicy | there is FAR too much to do at once, so I wrote a spec that focuses on aslr, memory protections, PIE, and SSP | 03:53 |
| bluefoxicy | I saw | 03:53 |
| tseng | SSP would be a really nice first step | 03:53 |
| bluefoxicy | as far as I know the only progress that was made was getting dhclient3 and a few other daemons to behave wrt priv sep | 03:53 |
| bluefoxicy | yes | 03:53 |
| tseng | oh, most daemons in the default install are de-rooted now | 03:53 |
| tseng | its a good thing | 03:53 |
| bmonty | SSP = ? | 03:53 |
| bluefoxicy | I like SSP, but you can make no real guarantees on its effectiveness that I can see; then again, that analysis is rather fuzzy | 03:53 |
| tseng | the other things are pretty intrusive | 03:54 |
| tseng | ssp combined with aslr is pretty strong if you ask me | 03:54 |
| bluefoxicy | bmonty stack smash protection, FORTIFY_SOURCE and -fstack-protector | 03:54 |
| tseng | with nx, very strong | 03:54 |
| bmonty | bluefoxicy: thanks | 03:54 |
| bluefoxicy | tseng: ASLR I say needs PIE AND heap randomization AND enforced non-executable memory to be considered effective. | 03:54 |
| tseng | bmonty: it adds a known random value to the end of a buffer and checks it after each write | 03:55 |
| tseng | bmonty: to detect under/overflow | 03:55 |
| tseng | if its triggered it kills the app immediately | 03:55 |
| tseng | before privelage escalation or whatever was the intended goal | 03:55 |
| bmonty | tseng: interesting, I think I remember reading about it once | 03:55 |
| bmonty | it is part of gcc already, right? | 03:56 |
| tseng | yes. | 03:56 |
| bluefoxicy | without PIE a crafty attacker can likely build a stack frame in the heap (which isn't randomized right now) and then return to the main executable (also not randomized) at an address where 'call' calls an interesting function (system()?) | 03:56 |
| tseng | bluefoxicy: that is nice, in theory | 03:56 |
| bddebian | Ohh | 03:56 |
| bmonty | wasn't there some negative performance issues associated with SSP? | 03:56 |
| bluefoxicy | PIE moves the main executable around with mmap(); heap randomization is separately implemented, but more effective on a PIE | 03:56 |
| tseng | in the real world, "crafty hackers" don't attack single systems | 03:56 |
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| tseng | ssp is enough to stop your usual scripted botnet attacks | 03:57 |
| tseng | and canned scriptkiddie stuff | 03:57 |
| bluefoxicy | tseng: A worm could be adapted | 03:57 |
| tseng | real hackers dont go after bluefox.net | 03:57 |
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| bluefoxicy | tseng: my current "classical attack case" is gaim, because it has an executable stack even on AMD64 and someone can remotely forcefeed you an attack whenever you're online. | 03:57 |
| tseng | bluefoxicy: it would be hard, and its a small target audience | 03:57 |
| tseng | its all theory | 03:57 |
| tseng | not a real threat | 03:57 |
| bluefoxicy | I do not care about target audience size. | 03:57 |
| tseng | it would be nice to have | 03:57 |
| tseng | but not a phase one goal | 03:58 |
| bluefoxicy | My concern is the theoretical "Ubuntu has 98% of the market share" | 03:58 |
| tseng | you cant just roll hardened gentoo into ubuntu | 03:58 |
| bluefoxicy | I am aware. | 03:58 |
| tseng | we know what a bitch it was to use | 03:58 |
| bluefoxicy | it wasn't that hard to use | 03:58 |
| tseng | it took us a year to get Xorg to do anything useful | 03:58 |
| bluefoxicy | yeah that. | 03:58 |
| tseng | and you have to mark java, mono, joeuserapp | 03:58 |
| bluefoxicy | what was hard about hardened gentoo was that the maintainers had to handle the breakage | 03:59 |
| bluefoxicy | you guys were the one telling X not to pie; and telling SSP not to apply to certain binaries | 03:59 |
| bluefoxicy | also tseng | 03:59 |
| bluefoxicy | PaX-style protections can be done via SELinux policy using the execstack, execheap, execmem, and execmod permissions | 03:59 |
| bluefoxicy | (so says pebenito; Fedora Core 5 somehow does it, it breaks metacity now) | 04:00 |
| tseng | thats nice | 04:00 |
| tseng | just adds another level to deal with | 04:00 |
| tseng | and break things | 04:00 |
| bluefoxicy | I'm aware. | 04:00 |
| zul | so anyways | 04:00 |
| tseng | I am thinking small | 04:00 |
| bluefoxicy | However, it would be easy enough to tell the SELinux policy to not mess with any given binary | 04:00 |
| tseng | SSP and NX | 04:00 |
| tseng | ASLR is pretty safe if you ask me | 04:01 |
| bluefoxicy | remember Exec Shield type NX gives no guarantees. | 04:01 |
| bluefoxicy | it's nice in theory, in practice you have a NX stack most of the time | 04:01 |
| bluefoxicy | but in practice you can never really make long-term predictions about if you're keeping that stack NX | 04:01 |
| bluefoxicy | and in practice, only the stack is ever NX | 04:01 |
| bluefoxicy | That being said, you do get something for free almost all of the time | 04:02 |
| tseng | and it almost always works | 04:02 |
| bluefoxicy | 'Almost always' works, yes | 04:02 |
| bluefoxicy | it just doesn't work for when you want to make hard-line security guarantees | 04:02 |
| bluefoxicy | (not that you ever can really give a "guarantee," we're talking about the Holding problem after all...) | 04:03 |
| tseng | yes we have seen PaX beaten in the last 2 years also | 04:03 |
| bluefoxicy | like I said, Holding problem | 04:03 |
| bluefoxicy | and PaX broke due to implementation bugs | 04:03 |
| bluefoxicy | of course it maintained the guarantee that the breakage has to be at kernel level, which nobody ever claimed to be absolutely protecting. | 04:04 |
| tseng | I know all of this, btw | 04:04 |
| bluefoxicy | yes I know | 04:05 |
| tseng | :) | 04:05 |
| bluefoxicy | oh tseng | 04:05 |
| bluefoxicy | I wrote a patch, not entirely complete but all of the code is there, that lets you adjust entropy in the kernel for mmap() and stack | 04:05 |
| bluefoxicy | the infrastructure is flexible, I used it to implement control over randomization levels of the stack and mmap() base via a kernel boot parameter | 04:06 |
| bluefoxicy | however, it's easy enough to make it do per-architecture entropy levels (i.e. 43 bits s/m for x86-64 and 19/8 bits s/m for IA-32) and also drop in SELinux hooks to control entropy levels fine-grained. | 04:07 |
| bluefoxicy | I have not found a way to convince mainline to eat it yet. | 04:07 |
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| bluefoxicy | I am sure posting the first incomplete, hackish, ugly ass version didn't help. | 04:08 |
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| bluefoxicy | I should remove the command line stuff and just make it per-architecture randomization | 04:09 |
| bluefoxicy | there is a paper that someone wrote that I can use to justify it, about brute forcing weak ASLR | 04:09 |
| bluefoxicy | PaX ASLR is considered "weak" in this context | 04:09 |
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| tseng | like I said before | 04:11 |
| tseng | conceptually weak is alot better than not at all | 04:11 |
| bluefoxicy | I know | 04:12 |
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| bmonty | bddebian: you are a vi hater? I never would have guessed, :) | 04:51 |
| bddebian | Heh, I"m not a vi hater. I hate emacs more ;-P | 04:51 |
| bmonty | well there, you and I agree! | 04:52 |
| bmonty | I'm hooked on vim and gvim | 04:53 |
| zul | bddebian: let me guess you use pico right? :) | 04:53 |
| jsgotangco | nano! | 04:53 |
| zul | same thing basically | 04:53 |
| bddebian | nano baby :-) | 04:53 |
| bddebian | Actually emacs can do some very cool shit, it just gets carried away :-) | 04:54 |
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| crimsun | <3 vimdiff -g | 04:54 |
| zul | bddebian: why am i not surprised :) | 04:54 |
| bddebian | zul: 'cause you don't love me either? :-) | 04:56 |
| zul | bddebian: ding ding ding :) | 04:57 |
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| StevenK | I have this feeling mplayer does it. | 04:57 |
| StevenK | Looks like I'm wrong. | 04:57 |
| bddebian | Bah, why am I even here.. | 04:58 |
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| bmonty | bddebian: cause you love the company of MOTUs? | 04:59 |
| bddebian | Yeah, I guess that's it :-) | 04:59 |
| bmonty | ...or did you beat all your video games? :P | 05:01 |
| bddebian | Nah, I could play Morrowind for centuries I think. Sheesh that game is HUGE :-) | 05:01 |
| crimsun | our resident deity has to pass the time while his ponies arrive | 05:02 |
| bmonty | ponies? | 05:02 |
| crimsun | yeah, that's the basis of all the "omgponies" rage lately | 05:02 |
| crimsun | (thanks, barry! ;-) | 05:02 |
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| bmonty | I guess I missed the ponies...damn | 05:03 |
| bmonty | oh well, time to go to bed....good night everyone | 05:05 |
| crimsun | 'night | 05:05 |
| bddebian | gnight bmonty | 05:06 |
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| Erlang | anyone got a clue has to why 'moc' calls would be removed of a KDE application makefile after running automake | 05:36 |
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| Erlang | nvm found it | 06:05 |
| mooseman089 | how do you update the repo list in synaptic? | 06:22 |
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| bddebian | mooseman089: System->Administration->Software Properties? | 06:36 |
| mooseman089 | but where do you find new repos to add to the list? | 06:37 |
| Erlang | why new repos? | 06:37 |
| bddebian | Hmm, I always add them by hand | 06:37 |
| mooseman089 | i dont know i thought they changed often or something | 06:37 |
| Erlang | the repos URL won't change AFAIK. | 06:38 |
| mooseman089 | lol ok | 06:39 |
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| Hobbsee | hey StevenK | 07:47 |
| Hobbsee | there was afl on? there you go :P | 07:47 |
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| Hobbsee | hey tuxmaniac | 07:48 |
| tuxmaniac | hey Hobbsee .. | 07:48 |
| tuxmaniac | morning all | 07:48 |
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| magnal | why don't i find kynaptic in any repo anymore? | 08:32 |
| BlueT_ | moin :3 | 08:37 |
| magnal | BlueT_: what is moin? | 08:39 |
| BlueT_ | magnal: moin means morning in some language :) | 08:41 |
| magnal | i thought that was an answer to my question | 08:41 |
| magnal | what is liblua? | 08:45 |
| freeflying|away | magnal: it's ksynaptics not kynaptic | 08:45 |
| magnal | freeflying|away: i am talking about kynaptic, the kde equivalent of synaptic | 08:46 |
| magnal | freeflying|away: ksynaptics seems to be something else | 08:46 |
| magnal | freeflying|away: it used to be there in breezy and it seems dapper includes it nowhere and i wonder why | 08:46 |
| freeflying|away | magnal: we ship with adept defautly | 08:47 |
| magnal | freeflying|away: adept is not far as smart as synaptic | 08:47 |
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| magnal | freeflying|away: i don't even understand why it is default | 08:47 |
| freeflying|away | magnal: I don't think so | 08:48 |
| magnal | freeflying|away: ok, i know there are many things that adept doesn't have and synaptic has. now, is there *anything* at all that adept supports and synaptic does not? | 08:48 |
| BlueT_ | freeflying|away: yo :p | 08:49 |
| freeflying|away | magnal: can you show me any examples | 08:49 |
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| magnal | freeflying|away: adept doesn't support "complete" removal | 08:50 |
| freeflying|away | that's true | 08:51 |
| magnal | freeflying|away: now please show me something that adept supports and synaptic does not | 08:51 |
| Hobbsee | magnal: actually, the latest version has a "purge" button - not sure if that's the repo version though | 08:52 |
| magnal | freeflying|away: i really am willing to accept it that adept is better or at least as good as synaptic | 08:53 |
| magnal | freeflying|away: in fact, i wish adept were better, because i like the way it looks | 08:53 |
| Hobbsee | magnal: do you code at all? | 08:53 |
| freeflying|away | magnal: :) | 08:53 |
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| magnal | Hobbsee: so do you think adept is just as good as synaptic? | 08:54 |
| magnal | Hobbsee: why asking if i code? :) | 08:54 |
| Hobbsee | magnal: no, well...no...neither is as good as apt-get/aptitude. | 08:54 |
| Hobbsee | magnal: so that you could add to it, if you wish. | 08:55 |
| magnal | Hobbsee: yes, i love aptitude | 08:55 |
| magnal | Hobbsee: i was only comparing synaptic to adept | 08:55 |
| magnal | Hobbsee: any idea what liblua50 is? | 08:57 |
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| Hobbsee | magnal: only a very vague one - use apt-cache search. | 08:58 |
| magnal | Hobbsee: it's weird that it looks like a vital dep in the recent dapper updates but.. it is not at all included in the original live (desktop) cd! | 08:58 |
| magnal | Hobbsee: i simply don't understand how this can happen | 08:58 |
| magnal | freeflying|away: does adept show a console on installation? | 08:59 |
| freeflying|away | magnal: it dose | 08:59 |
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| magnal | freeflying|away: does adept show the size of the download on a column? | 09:19 |
| magnal | freeflying|away: ... or anywhere at all?? | 09:21 |
| freeflying|away | magnal: you may have a try on adept, and you will get it | 09:21 |
| magnal | freeflying|away: i don't find it | 09:22 |
| magnal | freeflying|away: this is what i am trying | 09:22 |
| freeflying|away | magnal: I seldom use adept :P | 09:22 |
| magnal | freeflying|away: synaptic is more complete | 09:23 |
| magnal | freeflying|away: and handy | 09:23 |
| freeflying|away | magnal: maybe, but I seldom use either | 09:23 |
| magnal | is adept default on both kubuntu and ubuntu, or does ubuntu use synaptic by default | 09:23 |
| Hobbsee | mmm...buildign machine = great heater! | 09:24 |
| Hobbsee | magnal: ubuntu = synaptic by default. | 09:24 |
| magnal | Hobbsee: does synaptic have an update notifier similar to adept notifier? | 09:25 |
| Hobbsee | magnal: yes, update manager - i believe it's a separate program | 09:25 |
| magnal | Hobbsee: thanks | 09:26 |
| magnal | freeflying|away: and thank you too | 09:26 |
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| magnal | do the new updates for kubuntu include kde 3.5.3? | 10:46 |
| crimsun | yes, they do. | 10:47 |
| crimsun | I presume you read http://kubuntu.org? | 10:47 |
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| magnal | crimsun: please explain to me why it wasn't included in the original desktop cd? i mean, it's strange to me that it was released earlier than the desktop cd and yet not on it. | 10:52 |
| magnal | s/\?/\./ | 10:53 |
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| kagou | hi | 10:53 |
| crimsun | magnal: pool froze before 3.5.3 was released | 10:53 |
| magnal | crimsun: i see. is 3.5.3 safe enough? or is it preferable to stay on 3.5.2 for now? | 10:54 |
| BazziR | magnal: does contain some bugs still. | 10:55 |
| crimsun | magnal: people have reported problems in #kubuntu with 3.5.3, for instance with volumes not being automounted upon insertion | 10:55 |
| pschulz01 | Greetings.. I would like to package up some software but it's been written in quite a complicated way to support multiple platforms. It really needs to 'autotools'.. | 10:55 |
| kagou | is it possible to generate directly a .dsc file without building the package with a debuild -us -uc ? | 10:55 |
| crimsun | pschulz01: heh, autotools can be beastly, too. | 10:56 |
| pschulz01 | Has anyone hear dealt with upstream that are in a similar state? | 10:56 |
| _ion | kagou: Look at dpkg-buildpackage(1), keyword: -S | 10:56 |
| pschulz01 | crimsun: Yes, I know.. but.. | 10:57 |
| === _ion hates autotools. | ||
| === _ion loves autotools. | ||
| kagou | _ion: ok, i look at this. thnx | 10:58 |
| === pschulz01 testing whether user likes autotools: yes (cached) | ||
| StevenK | kagou: dpkg-source can generate a .dsc directly | 11:24 |
| kagou | StevenK: thnx i'v founded :) | 11:27 |
| Seveas | imbrandon_, if you link imbrandon_ to imbrandon both nicks will be cloaked. To do that do this as imbrandon_: /quote ns link imbrandon password_of_imbrandon | 11:35 |
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| Toadstool | heya MOTUs | 12:04 |
| kagou | i have problems with pbuilder. i try to tell it that it must add /var/cache/pbuilder/result in his search path when it build a package. Of course i'v generated in /var/cache/pbuilder/result a Pacake.gz | 12:04 |
| kagou | s/Pacake.gz/Package.gz | 12:04 |
| magnal | which the package that makes it possible to listen mp3s in amarok? | 12:04 |
| kagou | any ideas ? | 12:06 |
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| BazziR | magnal: thats #kubuntu stuff ;) libxine-extracodecs | 12:30 |
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| imbrandon_ | thanks Seveas thought i had done that, but anyhow i did now | 12:40 |
| magnal | BazziR: btw, there is a huge (and unminimizable) left pannel of amarok's playlist. you can't imagine how much i hate that filescking pannel!! is there *any* way on earth i could MOVE IT AWAY from view (OTHER than recompiling amarok)?? | 12:41 |
| imbrandon_ | Seveas: any word on my @ubuntu/member cloak ? ;) | 12:41 |
| BazziR | magnal: you mean the context thingy? | 12:45 |
| magnal | BazziR: thanks.. somebody told me how to get it out of view.. it was much simpler than i could imagine. i only looked for it in the preferences | 12:47 |
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| bmonty | hi \sh! | 02:28 |
| \sh | moins | 02:29 |
| Hobbsee | hi \sh | 02:29 |
| tseng | hi | 02:30 |
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| Windkracht8 | Hello all, Can someone point me to the easy est way to package a really small program(one executable, that's it) | 02:42 |
| Windkracht8 | Do I have to follow the packaging help in ubuntu or is there a program/tool that can do some stuff for me | 02:42 |
| bmonty | Windkracht8: the packaging guide has what you need | 02:44 |
| _ion | I made an example for a friend today: wget -N http://johan.kiviniemi.name/tmp/packaging_rumor.{timing,script} && scriptreplay packaging_rumor.{timing,script} | 02:44 |
| ogra | _ion, cool idea to use scriptreplay | 02:45 |
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| pschulz01 | Windkracht8: Also, have a look at the dh_make tool. | 02:50 |
| Windkracht8 | My problem is that that's all to compile source and then create a package out of that, but I have already compiled it I just need to place a single executable in a package. | 02:52 |
| sladen | Posted by Zonk on Sunday June 04, @01:29AM | 02:52 |
| sladen | from the totally-hawesome dept. | 02:52 |
| sladen | Books | 02:52 |
| bmonty | Windkracht8: the process of creating a package includes compiling the source to create the binaries | 02:53 |
| \sh | Windkracht8: packaging binaries is not debian packages purpose...what you want is something like .bin packages, it's something like a shar archive | 02:54 |
| pschulz01 | Windkracht8: Hmmm... you need a 'Make' script that installs the file into $PREFIX/usr/bin/<executible>. | 02:54 |
| Windkracht8 | ok, that's to bad for me, I use Qt because qmake makes the Makefile for me, I don't know how to do that stuff | 02:54 |
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| pschulz01 | Does Qt use 'configure'? | 02:55 |
| Windkracht8 | no | 02:55 |
| Windkracht8 | well, I don't got a make script and don't know how to write one | 02:56 |
| Windkracht8 | so, if I want to package, I'll have to learn that? | 02:56 |
| pschulz01 | Does the Qt makefile support '$DESTDIR' in the 'Make instal' target? | 02:56 |
| bmonty | Windkracht8: at least some basics of makefiles...the packaging guide has some good info | 02:56 |
| Windkracht8 | pschulz01, not sure, I'm looking now, normally with Qt I write a program and go: "qmake -project"(creates a project file) "qmake"(creates the Makefile) "make" and then I've got an executable. | 02:58 |
| pschulz01 | Windkracht8: How do you 'install' a Qt program? | 02:59 |
| Windkracht8 | copy to /usr/bin | 02:59 |
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| pschulz01 | Windkracht8: Is there anything like 'make install'? | 03:00 |
| Windkracht8 | that's kind of what I'm trying to find out now, how to install my Qt program on a different system | 03:00 |
| pschulz01 | Windkracht8: As a user (not root), type 'make install' | 03:00 |
| Windkracht8 | not standard, it gives a 'make: Nothing to be done for `install'.' | 03:01 |
| bmonty | this would probably be a better discussion for #qt | 03:01 |
| Windkracht8 | but I'm looking at the manual now | 03:01 |
| Windkracht8 | well they send me to #ubuntu because I wanted a .deb | 03:01 |
| bmonty | Windkracht8: if that is what you want then you need to package the software as described in the packaging guide | 03:02 |
| Windkracht8 | well, I think a .deb is the easiest way for the user | 03:02 |
| Windkracht8 | then they can use dpkg | 03:03 |
| pschulz01 | Windkracht8: Have to go.. good luck. | 03:03 |
| Windkracht8 | thanks | 03:03 |
| bmonty | Windkracht8: if you are running ubuntu go System->Help->System Documentation and select "Ubuntu Packaging Guide" | 03:03 |
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| bmonty | and with dapper users can use gdebi which will install the .deb file using a GUI | 03:04 |
| Windkracht8 | yes I was looking at that, but I was hoping there would be a easier way to create a package without the need of compiling the program again | 03:04 |
| sivang | Windkracht8: you actually could, but this is mostly done in cases where the source is not available. Why would you not recompile the program? | 03:08 |
| Windkracht8 | because I do not know how to write a Makefile | 03:09 |
| Windkracht8 | and I think there's no need to recompile, because when I copy the single executable to another computer it works | 03:10 |
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| Windkracht8 | I just want to create a .deb so dpkg will put it in the right directory when I got an update | 03:11 |
| sivang | Windkracht8: what about users of outher architectures? | 03:11 |
| sivang | Windkracht8: you can't exopect them to just copy over the xecutable, or deb? | 03:11 |
| sivang | Windkracht8: writing a basic Makefile is not that hard, there\s a nice howto for using autotools to have them create it for you | 03:12 |
| sivang | Windkracht8: http://www.st-andrews.ac.uk/~iam/docs/tutorial.html | 03:12 |
| Windkracht8 | well, copying over the executable is actually exactly what I want to do. That's what I'm doing at to moment I just want that automated | 03:14 |
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| Hobbsee | bmonty: hehe. yeah, kinda useful :P | 04:35 |
| bmonty | I've been trying to get evolution working on a new machine since yesteday afternoon and I was mistyping the hostname of the server :( | 04:35 |
| Hobbsee | hehe | 04:36 |
| === Hobbsee has done that. | ||
| StevenK | I've mistyped the hostname of a machine in DNS. | 04:37 |
| StevenK | That was fun. | 04:37 |
| bmonty | the really bad thing is it is a server on my own network that I use everyday | 04:37 |
| bmonty | StevenK: doh! yeah, I bet that was frustrating | 04:37 |
| Hobbsee | night all. | 04:40 |
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| sladen | Finns still ecstatic about Lordi's surprise victory | 05:12 |
| sladen | EiTB, Spain - May 22, 2006 | 05:12 |
| sladen | ... Tabloids on Monday featured 20-page supplements and posters of Lordi, and the growling monsters' song blared on radios and as background music on TV weather ... | 05:12 |
| sladen | Finns still ecstatic about Lordi's surprise victory | 05:12 |
| sladen | EiTB, Spain - May 22, 2006 | 05:12 |
| sladen | oops | 05:12 |
| sladen | darn the middle button | 05:12 |
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| zul | hmmm...quiet | 06:58 |
| bmonty | yup | 06:58 |
| tuxmaniac | zul: find the reason? | 06:59 |
| zul | what reason? | 06:59 |
| tuxmaniac | zul: for channel to be quiet! | 06:59 |
| zul | oh...yeah...the diety is not here | 06:59 |
| tuxmaniac | :-) | 07:00 |
| zul | im going to go have a nap | 07:00 |
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| bmonty | ajmitch: just so you know, ldapsearch with a URI with ldaps in it doesn't work on amd64 with the current package in ubuntu (2.2.26-5ubuntu2) | 07:44 |
| Toadstool | bmonty_away: uh ? it works for me... | 07:48 |
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| kagou | hi | 07:54 |
| kagou | hey hub | 07:54 |
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| phanatic | hi people | 07:57 |
| kagou | hi phanatic | 07:58 |
| phanatic | hey kagou | 07:59 |
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| bmonty | Toadstool: when you use ldaps://ldapserver.com/ you can connect? | 08:20 |
| Toadstool | yep | 08:20 |
| bmonty | and you are using amd64?' | 08:20 |
| Toadstool | yeah | 08:20 |
| bmonty | huh, I wonder what the problem is for me then...I can't get the thing to give me any useful error messages | 08:21 |
| Toadstool | what's the error message? | 08:21 |
| bmonty | on a packet sniff I see the TCP three-way handshake, and then the server immediately sends a FIN | 08:22 |
| bmonty | ldap_sasl_interactive_bind_s: Can't contact LDAP server (-1) | 08:22 |
| Toadstool | the server doesn't support SASL, use the -x option for simple auth | 08:23 |
| bmonty | the exact same setup works fine on an i386 box on the same network | 08:23 |
| Toadstool | hum... | 08:23 |
| bmonty | it does do SASL, if I use a URI with ldap:// it does a SASL bind no problem | 08:23 |
| bmonty | plus I have other hosts using SASL to get account info from the server | 08:24 |
| Toadstool | can't help you testing that I don't have SASL on my own ldap server :/ | 08:24 |
| bmonty | Toadstool: so maybe the problem is ldaps+SASL+amd64 | 08:25 |
| Toadstool | yep | 08:25 |
| bmonty | I need to grab the package from debian and see if that solves the problem | 08:25 |
| Toadstool | at least it looks like it is something like that since it works without SASL | 08:25 |
| bmonty | actually it works without SSL | 08:26 |
| bmonty | SASL works fine | 08:26 |
| Toadstool | and SSL works fine alone :) | 08:27 |
| bmonty | Toadstool: yup | 08:27 |
| bmonty | problem is that libnss-ldap doesn't do SASL encryption :( | 08:30 |
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| Seveas | imbrandon, the cloak has been set 5 minutes before that last message | 10:39 |
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