[12:09] <viv> There is no /var/log/installer directory on the box in question. Could it be as a consequence of the crasH maybe?
[12:10] <HedgeMage> hmmm
[12:10] <HedgeMage> quite possibly :/
[12:11] <HedgeMage> did you look in /var/log/messages and/or /var/log/messages.0 ?
[12:13] <LaserJock> hi Edubuntu people!
[12:13] <HedgeMage> hi LaserJock 
[12:13] <HedgeMage> what's up
[12:14] <LaserJock> not a whole lot
[12:14] <LaserJock> I'm at the uni waiting for a meeting/dinner at 6:00
[12:15] <viv> HedgeMage: Ouch. Im going to try 6.06 LTSP again to see what happens. I looked in messages and messages.0, but they are post - install. The installed version Gimps, Firefoxes, and open offices all at once while playing a CD - looks good?
[12:17] <HedgeMage> viv: Looks good
[12:18] <viv> Thanks for the words of support - Its quarter past midnight here in Knysna (SA) and I am doing one last install b4 bed. Yawn!
[12:18] <HedgeMage> wow, long night :)
[12:18] <HedgeMage> good luck!
[12:33] <svivian> question to the channel: What is the minimum hardware edubuntu will run on?
[12:34] <svivian> I want to build a box for my 18mo daughter, so would also appreciate opinions on whether any of the apps will be simple enough to hold her interest
[12:35] <LaserJock> hi ogra!
[12:35] <HedgeMage> svivian: My son has been using Linux since he was about 1yo (this was pre-edubuntu)
[12:35] <svivian> She loves the computer, but is a bit random with her mouseclicks, so I don't want her on my regular box, plus the regular box is on my study desk (papers, bills etc) which she rummages through at random
[12:36] <HedgeMage> svivian: a stand-alone install is recommended to have at least a 500mhz proc and 128mb ram (you can get by with a little less if you really have to since she's too young for the office suite to be of much use, same for some other heavy apps)
[12:36] <LaserJock> the live cd's seem to also have problems if you have less then 256MB RAM
[12:36] <HedgeMage> svivian: heh, been there, done that
[12:37] <HedgeMage> LaserJock: I think svivian was talking about an install, though, and installing with a text mode CD is fine at 128MB (since you aren't trying to run the whole darn OS from ram while installing)
[12:38] <svivian> The memory shouldn't be that much of an issue, but I will want to run off the liveCD initially until she is more comfortable. I'll be setting up a separate box somewhere closer to her hand-level.
[12:38] <LaserJock> HedgeMage: yeah, but I was just saying that the Ubuntu Desktop CD (livecd+installer) needs more RAM, in case he was interested ;-)
[12:39] <HedgeMage> LaserJock: ahh okay
[12:39] <LaserJock> I have a 1.3GHz P4 with 256MB ram and it runs Ubuntu, Kubuntu, and Xubuntu no problem
[12:40] <svivian> Is it possible to set the OS up to autologin to an account I create for her, but allow me to switch users so I can do updates/install packages as needed? I want the switch to be very non-obvious so she doesn't give herself su by accident.
[12:40] <HedgeMage> svivian: with my little one, I found that hiding the menu bars and just putting icons for his favorite apps (TuxPaint, TuxRacer, ktuberling, fishfillets, and Same Gnome) on the desktop worked best.
[12:40] <HedgeMage> svivian: definitely
[12:41] <HedgeMage> svivian: what I would do in that case, is create yourself a user during install (this one will have SU privileges) and then post-install create a very locked-down account for her, and set it to auto-log-in.  You can always log her out and yourself in when needed.
[12:41] <HedgeMage> svivian: that's what I did on TT's box, anyhow
[12:43] <LaserJock> HedgeMage: how old is TT?
[12:43] <HedgeMage> LaserJock: he just turned 3
[12:43] <svivian> Sounds like it will do what I need then. The Kubuntu boxes I have were only set up for me, so I never bothered with multiple accounts.
[12:44] <HedgeMage> (btw, if no one noticed the pattern, each of those games, with the exception of Same Gnome, has fish, TT's favorite animal)
[12:44] <LaserJock> HedgeMage: so he has been using linux for 2/3 of his life? impressive :-)
[12:44] <HedgeMage> LaserJock: heh, yep, and by the time he was 18 months old, he knew to walk away from windows boxen and ask to play on linux ones
[12:45] <LaserJock> rocking!
[12:45] <svivian> I must say I am surprised that, despite all the webpages on the subject, no one has managed to create a distro aimed specifically at a childrens' PC
[12:45] <crimsun> conditioning at its finest.
[12:45] <crimsun> who says we aren't evolving?
[12:45] <viv> HedgeMage: I installed 6.06  full system again. Screen went black with 2 white squares just after "setting up the X-server" message on console3 (during CHROOT). On reboot it gave error 15 during grub loading...... Methinks the fact that the workstation installed despite crashing could be due to Xserver starting (or initialising) at different phases for Workstation and Full installs?
[12:46] <LaserJock> svivian: I think probably much of the difficulty is getting linux nerds to sit down and write apps kids would like :-)
[12:46] <HedgeMage> svivian: there was an extensive debian-edu project at one time, it fell apart due to stupid social politics :(
[12:46] <crimsun> LaserJock: yep. I hope to tackle that for my dissertation.
[12:46] <HedgeMage> viv: or to a difference in how they automagically set up X... you need ogra for this, he's the expert I think
[12:46] <LaserJock> crimsun: dissertation? aren't you already done?
[12:47] <svivian> I've seen the wreckage of the Tux4kids project, and the enatux project, and the non-moving (apparently) Debian Jr
[12:47] <crimsun> LaserJock: I'm getting a education one, so no, far from done.
[12:47] <crimsun> an education^
[12:47] <LaserJock> ahhh
[12:47] <LaserJock> very cool
[12:47] <viv> HedgeMage: Im new to IRC. How do I get ogra's attention?
[12:47] <crimsun> viv: he's asleep right now if he's sane.
[12:48] <svivian> Laserjock: there are a bunch of apps, from what I see. The thing that is missing is a slim OS, with a default desktop that mimics the old Mac Launcher
[12:48] <LaserJock> crimsun: how can you possibly find time for Ubuntu
[12:48] <viv> crimsun: OK. I am insane - its 0h45 here - what time zone is he?
[12:48] <HedgeMage> viv: I think he's sleeping, but in general saying his name (if he's here) will work.  If your waking hours seem to differ from his, you might try posting to one of our mailing lists
[12:48] <HedgeMage> viv: he's pretty active on both
[12:49] <crimsun> LaserJock: easy. I don't have a S.O. besides this Canonical laptop, I don't sleep much, and I drink lots of coffee.
[12:49] <LaserJock> crimsun: still
[12:50] <LaserJock> I think my S.O is what keeps me sane so I guess it's good. I do wish she was more into Linux/computers though :-)
[12:51] <crimsun> "my S.O. doesn't have a choice"
[12:51] <LaserJock> she thinks me "listening" and "talking" is more important than the Dapper release, crazy :-)
[12:51] <crimsun> sheesh. ;)
[12:52] <viv> Thanks for all the help guys. This is an excellent place for solving my problems - I'll be back in the morning to un-Bork my X, before my SO becomes my X.
[12:52] <HedgeMage> lol
[12:52] <svivian> Another question: Best bittorrent client?
[12:52] <crimsun> anyhow, yeah, I'm looking at tying CMU's Alice into educational "best practices", among other things
[12:52] <HedgeMage> svivian: depends on what you're looking for: lightweight, or tons of features, etc ?
[12:53] <svivian> fairly lightweight, I should think. I've got adept open, and need a client so I can torrent the edubuntu .iso
[12:53] <crimsun> rtorrent is pretty light, I think
[12:53] <crimsun> LaserJock: http://www.alice.org/whatIsAlice.htm  if you're piqued
[12:54] <LaserJock> crimsun: ah, I was going to ask
[12:56] <LaserJock> crimsun: interesting. I have somewhat of a teaching bent, as in teaching at the college/uni level
[12:58] <crimsun> teachers rarely receive the respect they{,we} deserve
[12:59] <LaserJock> oh yeah
[12:59] <LaserJock> I don't think I'm terribly great with little kids, but I do enjoy teaching science
[01:01] <LaserJock> using computer technology in science education is an interesting subject
[01:02] <LaserJock> some of the college chemistry textbook people are starting to do more
[01:03] <LaserJock> but most of the time they don't know what they are doing and also use expensive proprietary software
[01:03] <crimsun> I never would have "gotten" chem if I didn't have 3D models
[01:04] <LaserJock> exactly, and good luck trying to explain quantum mechanics in a chemistry sense
[01:05] <crimsun> hehe
[01:06] <LaserJock> IMO from a physics standpoint it isn't to bad because you just do it mathematically
[01:07] <LaserJock> and drown you students in derivations
[01:07] <LaserJock> but to do it chemically, which is much more physical/concrete in nature, takes a combination of math and graphical approaches
[01:07] <crimsun> yep, I was going to say that it's all the same from a mathematical perspective, but I have to keep reminding myself people don't necessarily "think mathematically"
[01:08] <bddebian> Howdy
[01:08] <bddebian> Heya LaserJock, crimsun
[01:09] <LaserJock> yeah, I find QM very hard to understand from a purely mathematical perspective because you really can't go beyond Hydrogen atoms without a fair amount of chemical intuition and a physical picture
[01:09] <LaserJock> hi bddebian 
[01:09] <crimsun> 'lo bddebian 
[01:11] <bddebian> Hello HedgeMage
[01:14] <LaserJock> crimsun: I did see this cool java app once where you could put a virtual circuit board together
[01:15] <LaserJock> and when you turned on the power it showed the electron flow, etc.
[01:20] <HedgeMage> :)
[01:21] <crimsun> LaserJock: yeah, we have some like that in the engineering labs
[01:21] <crimsun> too bad they're all matlab- and java-based
[01:21] <LaserJock> yeah
[01:22] <LaserJock> I'd like to work on python based apps like that
[01:22] <LaserJock> I think it would be cool to have a "Chemistry Professor's Toolbox" with lots of cool little python apps that people can grab
[02:46] <mhz> neurogeek: ping
[02:48] <neurogeek> mhz, hello!!
[02:49] <mhz> neurogeek: como le baila?
[02:49] <neurogeek> mhz, lol.. muy bien.. demasiado trabajo!
[02:50] <mhz> neurogeek: en tu "independencia"?
[02:53] <neurogeek> mhz, sips.. miles de reuniones.. proyectos varios.. pero todava nadie paga.. jeje
[02:55] <mhz> neurogeek: yup, been there, tooooo maaaaany times
[02:55] <mhz> neurogeek: just like my ex wife used to say: "now, let's turn the clapping in cash to pay for food, bills and school :D
[02:55] <neurogeek> mhz, what about you? how are things going??
[02:55] <neurogeek> lol.. so true
[02:56] <mhz> neurogeek: FET is coming to life the 20th and 21st of June
[02:58] <neurogeek> mhz, excellent.. Congratulations
[02:58] <mhz> neurogeek: wanna see the poster?
[02:59] <neurogeek> mhz, of course
[02:59] <mhz> neurogeek: aceptas filetes via xchat?
[03:00] <neurogeek> mhz, no creo que pase.. mail perhaps?
[03:00] <mhz> neurogeek: okis
[03:00] <mhz> dispare
[03:00] <neurogeek> me at neurogeek.org.ve
[03:05] <mhz> neurogeek: noc, noc, follow the white rabbit
[03:05] <neurogeek> searching...
[03:07] <neurogeek> mhz, not here yet
[03:07] <mhz> neurogeek: I do accept suggestions and feedback
[03:18] <mhz> neurogeek: got it?
[03:22] <jsgotangco> good morning
[03:26] <neurogeek> mhz_rebooting, nope. not yet.. 
[05:11] <ric3125> Hello I want to use edubuntu for my 4 year old, using Gcompris. I got ebubuntu 6.06 running but all I see is a Gcompris admin tab.
[05:11] <Burgundavia> ric3125: applications --> games
[05:12] <Burgundavia> ric3125: that should list gcompirs
[05:13] <ric3125> Yes but it is  Admin  When I click it there is no trees or profiles
[05:18] <ric3125> I got Gcompris open. There is Classes/users Groups Profiles and Boards. I have clicked everything and have got nothing going.
[05:18] <Burgundavia> ric3125: there are two menu entires
[05:18] <Burgundavia> Gcompris Admin and Gcompris itself
[05:20] <jsgotangco> Applications->Games->Educational Suite Gcompris
[05:21] <jsgotangco> (with the yellow plane icon)
[05:21] <ric3125> I feel real dumb. thanks for your help.l
[05:22] <jsgotangco> no problem =)
[05:22] <jsgotangco> thanks for installing as well =)
[05:22] <jsgotangco> we should move that admin icon somewhere
[05:23] <Burgundavia> accessories?
[05:26] <jsgotangco> doesn't fit well but its more logical than creating a new folder entry just for one admin tool
[05:27] <Burgundavia> yep
[05:27] <Burgundavia> not really an admin tool, either
[05:27] <bimberi> i reckon change name to "Gcompris Educational Suite" ?
[05:28] <bimberi> then they're next to each other and the usage is evident
[05:29] <jsgotangco> yes that will also work
[05:29] <bimberi> i can't get "GCompris Administration" to do anything :|
[05:29] <bimberi> but haven't rtfm'd :P
[05:30] <jsgotangco> its basically a profile maker
[05:30] <jsgotangco> but we all know gcompris has a mind of its own
[05:30] <bimberi> it's becoming apparent
[05:33] <Burgundavia> gcompris is a great app, but it is also trying to be a platform
[05:37] <jsgotangco> its actually trying to take over my computer :/
[05:38] <Burgundavia> all it wants you to do is understand
[05:39] <Burgundavia> and if you don't, it obiviously needs to educate you ;)
[07:13] <jsgotangco> ogra: ping?
[07:14] <HedgeMage> anybody here have java working in firefox?
[07:15] <jsgotangco> have you downloaded sun-java5-plugin?
[07:15] <HedgeMage> nope, didn't know there was another package... I have sun-java5-bin
[07:15] <HedgeMage> this is so much easier on gentoo...
[07:17] <HedgeMage> hmm seems I already do have it
[07:20] <HedgeMage> WTF?!?!
[07:20] <HedgeMage> I didn't change anything, but I opened firefox again to check a setting, and it works
[07:21] <HedgeMage> at least it works
[07:21] <HedgeMage> jsgotangco: you must have frightened it into behaving for me :P
[07:21] <jsgotangco> lol
[08:59] <cbx33> mornin all
[08:59] <cbx33> phew what a busy weekend
[08:59] <cbx33> decorating :S
[09:02] <highvoltage> hey cbx33. hope you enjoyed it :)
[09:02] <cbx33> highvoltage: hmmm
[09:02] <cbx33> I'm shattered, didn't finish painting till 4am on sat
[09:03] <cbx33> did I miss anything here?
[09:03] <cbx33> highvoltage: I wanted to ask what phone do you use that you use IRC on
[09:04] <highvoltage> cbx33: i don't use irc on the phone directly, i connect laptop to cell and then run irssi on laptop
[09:04] <highvoltage> but it's a moto v3, btw
[09:04] <jsgotangco> helomoto!
[09:06] <highvoltage> i'm lying, i connect through a moto v360. the v3 is my 'voice' phone :)
[09:07] <highvoltage> the v360 has edge, so it has lower latency
[09:07] <jimjimovich2> hello everyone
[09:07] <jimjimovich2> i had a quick question
[09:07] <jimjimovich2> we  installed a new edubuntu dapper server on Friday
[09:07] <jimjimovich2> setting up a student computer lab
[09:08] <jjjjjjj> congrats
[09:08] <jimjimovich2> how can i remove the option to "sleep" (or hibernate, i forget what it's called) from a "Desktop" user's options when logging out?
[09:09] <jimjimovich2> I accidentally put the server to sleep with this option (from a thin client) ... and I don't think it should be an option for students
[09:09] <jimjimovich2> i'd actually like to remove all options except for "log out"
[09:10] <cbx33> highvoltage: what phones work well with linux
[09:10] <cbx33> from that point of view
[09:11] <highvoltage> cbx33: i haven't really seen a phone that doesn't work well with linux. probably depends what you want to do
[09:11] <cbx33> how do you connect USB?
[09:11] <highvoltage> both my moto's i can just plug in and dial up (via USB), or set up a bluetooth connection and dial
[09:11] <cbx33> hmmm
[09:11] <cbx33> I have a V220
[09:11] <cbx33> think that could work?
[09:12] <cbx33> motorola V220
[09:12] <cbx33> :p
[09:12] <highvoltage> my phones has a standard usb connector at the sides, which makes it very wasy
[09:12] <cbx33> is there a site that shows you which work where ?
[09:13] <highvoltage> it has gprs: http://www.mobile-phones-uk.org.uk/motorola-v220.htm
[09:13] <cbx33> :D
[09:13] <highvoltage> so you should be able to just buy a cable for that phone and plug it into your pc
[09:14] <highvoltage> doesn't seem to have bluetooth though
[09:14] <cbx33> i don;t need bluetooth 
[09:14] <cbx33> :p
[09:14] <cbx33> I'll use a cable
[09:14] <jimjimovich2> where can i submit Edubuntu bugs?
[09:15] <Amaranth> jimjimovich2: i think it's in gconf, hang on
[09:15] <cbx33> launchpad.net
[09:15] <jimjimovich2> Amaranth: thanks
[09:15] <jjjjjjj> is the option still there jimjim if power management is turned off in the bios?
[09:16] <Amaranth> jimjimovich2: /apps/gnome-power-manager/can_hibernate and /apps/gnome-power-manager/can_suspend
[09:16] <jimjimovich2> good questioni
[09:16] <Amaranth> jimjimovich2: not sure how to set those off by default though
[09:17] <jimjimovich2> i seems very odd to me, because shutdown and restart are not options
[09:17] <jimjimovich2> but hibernate is
[09:17] <Amaranth> jimjimovich2: http://www.gnome.org/learn/admin-guide/2.14/gconf-7.html
[09:17] <jjjjjjj> what about this?  
[09:17] <jjjjjjj> http://www.gnome.org/learn/users-guide/2.8/ch11s16.html
[09:17] <Amaranth> jimjimovich2: very late in the dapper cycle the logout dialog was changed to use gnome-power-manager
[09:18] <MagnusGoldstein> um... high peeps... I was wondering if anyone knew of any edubuntu graphics that one could legally use in a free edubuntu handbook
[09:18] <MagnusGoldstein> sort of to wave the flag
[09:19] <cbx33> MagnusGoldstein: oooh a free handbook
[09:19] <jimjimovich2> Amaranth and jjjjj: thanks for the tips
[09:20] <MagnusGoldstein> well, it's for an education assignment, but I want to go on with it afterward and publish a more polished version on the web
[09:20] <jsgotangco> cbx33: i use a Sony Erisscson
[09:20] <jjjjjjj> magnus... have you heard of lulu.com?
[09:20] <MagnusGoldstein> nope
[09:20] <cbx33> MagnusGoldstein: http://www.edubuntu.org/UsingEdubuntu
[09:20] <jjjjjjj> http://www.lulu.com
[09:20] <MagnusGoldstein> new to me
[09:21] <cbx33> MagnusGoldstein: you can use content from there if you need it
[09:21] <cbx33> that's going to be a printed booklet soon
[09:21] <MagnusGoldstein> cool
[09:21] <MagnusGoldstein> the handbook I'm writing is for teachers
[09:22] <MagnusGoldstein> will have references to pedagogic theory and suggestions for activities/exercises
[09:22] <jjjjjjj> jimjim... can i ask how you are booting the thin clients?
[09:22] <MagnusGoldstein> will also have links to some curriculum documents
[09:22] <jimjimovich2> jjjjjjj: PXE
[09:22] <jjjjjjj> unrelated to your question but i am beginning a thin client project.
[09:22] <cbx33> jjjjjjj: PXE rawks :p
[09:23] <jimjimovich2> jjjjjjj: we got new network cards for our old machines. about $30 each
[09:23] <jjjjjjj> with pxe built in or did you have to chip em?
[09:23] <jimjimovich2> jjjjjjj: with PXE built in
[09:23] <cbx33> we were lucky most of ours had PXE built in
[09:23] <cbx33> we run a dual boot system now
[09:23] <jimjimovich2> jjjjjjj: our newer machines have pxe built in too
[09:24] <jjjjjjj> right
[09:24] <cbx33> windows and linux over PXE
[09:24] <cbx33> the windows isn't over PXE
[09:25] <Amaranth> cbx33: you couldn't use a windows server and rdesktop?
[09:25] <Amaranth> or was it just cheaper to dual boot?
[09:25] <cbx33> could do...but din't
[09:25] <Amaranth> the server would make it so you could stay in linux and just have windows in a window :)
[09:25] <cbx33> well yes
[09:25] <cbx33> but that would confuse the kids :p
[09:25] <cbx33> as I work at a school
[09:26] <jjjjjjj> my xp box is becoming more and more like a terminal server.  :P
[09:26] <Amaranth> hehe
[09:26] <jjjjjjj> just peek in now and then
[09:26] <Amaranth> and you'd need a monster server to run that many windows sessions
[09:26] <cbx33> indeed
[09:26] <cbx33> we had 9 clients running off a dell D600 laptop
[09:26] <cbx33> :D
[09:26] <jimjimovich2> it's looking like we're going to need to get some new thin clients.
[09:26] <jimjimovich2> everything works great with newer machines.  but our old machines are being a real pain
[09:27] <jjjjjjj> there's a hack to have multiple sessions logged into a single xp machine.
[09:27] <cbx33> brb
[09:27] <Amaranth> jjjjjjj: it's also probably illegal
[09:27] <jjjjjjj> ya.
[09:27] <jimjimovich2> is it better to just get cheap celeron machines or does anyone know of some good thin clients?
[09:28] <jimjimovich2> jjjjjjj: we're just getting rid of windows all together (well, that's a long term goal)
[09:28] <MagnusGoldstein> jjjjjjj: thanks for the link to lulu.com - looks interesting
[09:29] <jjjjjjj> to be honest, i came on the nix bandwagon when i heard of vista's sheer hardware requirements.  it will only seperate the chasm between the haves and have nots.
[09:30] <Amaranth> jimjimovich2: I would imagine some used whitebox celerons would be easier to come by (and possibly cheaper) than a real thin-client machine.
[09:30] <Amaranth> But that's just a guess.
[09:31] <jimjimovich2> Amaranth: we're in russia. and most thin clients we've seen are expensive
[09:31] <jimjimovich2> Amaranth: but we can build new celeron machines for about $180
[09:33] <Amaranth> i guess go with that then
[09:33] <jjjjjjj> have you looked at the asus barebones with an onboardprocessor?
[09:33] <jjjjjjj> http://usa.asus.com/products4.aspx?l1=1&l2=2&l3=0&model=402&modelmenu=1
[09:37] <jjjjjjj> they are about 155cdn here in canada.
[09:37] <jimjimovich2> interesting
[09:41] <jimjimovich2> jjjjjjj: a quick search doesn't find any of those models in russia
[09:41] <jimjimovich2> bummer
[09:45] <jjjjjjj> hmm
[09:45] <jimjimovich2> we'll probably just build some basic systems, if we can get the money
[09:46] <jjjjjjj> many macs in russia?
[09:46] <jjjjjjj> i do believe there is a powerpc download for edubuntu no?
[09:47] <jsgotangco> yes
[09:49] <jimjimovich2> jjjjjjj: not many macs.
[09:49] <jimjimovich2> jjjjjjj: but my boss is yelling in the other room about how he can't wait for his macbook :)
[09:50] <jjjjjjj> my wife has one from school.  i hate to see it go during summer holidays or if she leaves the school.  ibook g4
[09:51] <jimjimovich2> jjjjjjj: yes, i'm using a mac mini right now.  hope to get macbook this summer
[09:51] <jimjimovich2> jjjjjjj: but besides that, it's all ubuntu
[09:52] <jjjjjjj> good luck everyone.  i have to get some sleep but I was a pig and ate a big chocolate bar not long ago and will pay dearly trying to sleep.
[09:53] <jjjjjjj> i used to come here now and then but there was nobody replying.  maybe time to refocus on the thin client project.
[09:57] <jsgotangco> if anyone has a contribution for the next edubuntu newsletter, please start writing your tidbits we're also including it in the Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter
[09:57] <BugMaN> jsgotangco:  in the wiki page?
[10:13] <cbx33> hi all
[10:13] <cbx33> jsgotangco: how do i setup a modem for my mobile phone
[10:13] <cbx33> I have the lead
[10:13] <cbx33> and it's all plugged in
[10:13] <cbx33> got a handy how to?
[10:25] <cbx33> :( - I don;t think my mobile company support GPRS email/web
[10:25] <cbx33> only WAP
[10:52] <cbx33> ok I get Carrier detected, waiting for prompt
[10:52] <cbx33> but nothing happens
[11:05] <cbx33> :D
[11:05] <cbx33> I got it working
[11:05] <cbx33> not sure how but woooooooo
[11:41] <cbx33> hey highvoltage 
[11:41] <cbx33> I got it working
[11:41] <cbx33> I can dial out over my mobile
[11:41] <highvoltage> nice
[11:41] <cbx33> I want to fine somewhere where I can get really cheap calls
[11:41] <cbx33> right now it's costing me .5p per K
[11:42] <highvoltage> .5p, or .05p?
[11:42] <cbx33> .5p
[11:42] <highvoltage> wow. that's very expensive.
[11:42] <cbx33> yeh
[11:42] <cbx33> :(
[11:43] <highvoltage> oh sorry, i read that as .5 pounds :) 
[11:43] <highvoltage> over here it's R2 per MB. which comes down to about 20p per MB
[11:43] <cbx33> WOW
[11:43] <cbx33> That is cheap
[11:45] <highvoltage> you can buy 100MB data bundles for R100. then it costs about 10p per MB
[11:48] <cbx33> :(
[11:48] <cbx33> I can't find anyone who has rates as good as that
[11:48] <cbx33> :'(
[11:51] <highvoltage> when you buy a 1GB package, the price goes down to R0.60 per MB :)
[11:51] <highvoltage> http://www.vodacom.co.za/pkgcr.do?action=getpkgsgroups&pkgTypeId=8&pkgGroupId=17&packageId=152
[11:55] <cbx33> man UK sux for GPRS/3G netaccess
[11:57] <highvoltage> last time i were in UK gprs was cheaper there, i think
[12:01] <jsgotangco> the cheapest ive experienced was that with korea
[12:08] <cbx33> highvoltage: do you remember what company?
[12:10] <highvoltage> cbx33: vodafone.
[12:13] <cbx33> do you know if that was conract or pay as you go
[12:14] <cbx33> Data usage (per MB)  	2.35
[12:14] <cbx33> that's pretty cheap
[12:15] <cbx33> .2p
[12:15] <highvoltage> pay as you go. i bough a cheapie phone on cheapest package for 25 pounds :)
[12:16] <cbx33> well i think it works out at about .2p per K
[12:16] <cbx33> which is half the price of my current provider
[12:17] <cbx33> WAP over GPRS:Vodafone live! pages 0.1p per KB / Non live! pages 0.73p per KB
[12:17] <jsgotangco> i thought most vodaphone providers worldwide now charge per 5minute usage
[12:18] <highvoltage> in south africa, we have lots of competition between mobile operators for data, since our landline bandwidth is so expensive. so more and more people are using mobile data.
[12:18] <jsgotangco> wow
[12:18] <jsgotangco> yeah in some areas, wireless is cheaper
[12:18] <cbx33> .73p per K on PAYG
[12:19] <cbx33> .2 if you're on monthly
[12:27] <pygi> hey cbx33 jsgotangco  highvoltage 
[12:27] <highvoltage> hey pygi 
[12:29] <cbx33> hi pygi 
[12:54] <highvoltage> ogra: did you reply to Robert Arkiletian about the F1 Teachertool from K12-LTSP?
[12:54] <ogra> highvoltage, the one with the awful ui ? 
[12:54] <ogra> did he mail you as well ?
[12:55] <highvoltage> ogra: he included me in the mail he sent to you.
[12:55] <ogra> oh, ok
[12:55] <highvoltage> ogra: i was just wondering whether i need to respond to him or not
[12:55] <ogra> its the 10th (or more) mail i get from him
[12:55] <highvoltage> geez
[12:55] <ogra> i answered several moths back already 
[12:56] <highvoltage> have you responded to one of them? if so, then i'm satisfied marking this message as read and storing it in archive
[12:56] <highvoltage> ok, great.
[12:56] <kholerabb1> Hello, dose anyone know if there is a language-learning app that can be used in ubuntu?
[12:56] <ogra> and i dont wear my diplomatic hat today, afetr a whole weekend of being bombed with rants from this CatherineCapers woman
[12:57] <ogra> kholerabb1, look at kvoctrain
[12:57] <kholerabb1> k
[12:57] <ogra> and kverbos i think
[12:57] <highvoltage> i couldn't fine a CatherineCapers page
[12:57] <highvoltage> s/fine/find
[12:57] <ogra> but you saw the mail JaneW forwarded ?
[12:58] <ogra> she's mailing us personally since months ...
[12:58] <ogra> sending random rants why ubuntu ltsp is bad
[12:58] <ogra> and doesnt accept any eplanation or any no
[12:58] <highvoltage> ah, just got it. looking at it now...
[12:58] <JaneW> she mails mark etc too
[12:58] <ogra> *explanation
[12:58] <pygi> cbx33, poke
[12:59] <highvoltage> i want to respond
[12:59] <pygi> JaneW, ogra , o joy :-/
[12:59] <pygi> ogra, how am I supposed to add myself here when it's locked? :)
[12:59] <pygi> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuMeetingAgenda
[12:59] <highvoltage> i have some kind of a evil joy in working with difficult customers
[01:00] <highvoltage> (some might even call it a talent)
[01:00] <ogra> highvoltage, apparently she now found out that we dont default to etherboot, i already pointed her to the docs etc
[01:01] <ogra> but she keeps annoying the ltsp.org people, disklessworstations.com and JaneW and me and doesnt accept that we have taken a decision for a default and wont default to the other... the mail JaneW forwarded is very calm, i have some really weird ones from this weekend from her
[01:01] <ogra> so be careful if you answer, wo might never get her off your back then
[01:02] <ogra> s/wo/you/
[01:02] <pygi> hey Andrea ;)
[01:03] <cbx33> pygi: hey
[01:03] <highvoltage> ogra: i think i can deal with her. i've worked with worse :)
[01:03] <pygi> cbx33, why is that edubuntu page locked for me? :P
[01:04] <cbx33> I don;t know
[01:04] <cbx33> lemme have a look
[01:04] <JaneW> highvoltage: go get her!
[01:04] <ogra> pygi, are you logged in ?
[01:05] <pygi> o joy :-/
[01:05] <cbx33> seems fine for me pygi 
[01:06] <pygi> cbx33, yes, for me as well now :)
[01:06] <cbx33> maybe me going in and out helped?
[01:06] <pygi> cbx33, or maybe me loging in helped :P
[01:06] <cbx33> pygi: ogra I had an idea about S-C-P
[01:06] <ogra> cbx33, tell me 
[01:07] <cbx33> I don;t know if you've got it implemented
[01:07] <cbx33> showing one screen to all pupils?
[01:07] <cbx33> is it possible?
[01:07] <JaneW> w00t - Edubuntu is at 30 now for 'last 7 days' http://distrowatch.com/index.php?dataspan=1
[01:08] <ogra> as long as we stay above xandros i'm happy :P
[01:08] <pygi> cbx33, yes, possible, and it's in implementation plan
[01:08] <pygi> just don't know how much we'll have time to implement some things
[01:08] <ogra> cbx33, i guess so, thats on the list, but i havent found a sane implementation for it ... you somehow need to hook into the users shh session to do it safely
[01:08] <cbx33> ok, damn thought I'd come up with a killer idea ther :p
[01:08] <ogra> *ssh
[01:08] <cbx33> ogra: yeh
[01:09] <ogra> making the thigs behaving sane is the biggest problemm for *all* things we do with s-c-p and is the initial cause for its existence 
[01:10] <ogra> s/sane/sane with ssh/
[01:10] <cbx33> yeh i understand that
[01:10] <ogra> all other teacher tool implementations just ignore security completely 
[01:10] <cbx33> yeh, we gotta be secure abotu it
[01:10] <ogra> so i'm not after having s-c-p ready as fast as we can but as good as we can 
[01:11] <cbx33> I agree
[01:11] <cbx33> how are you anyway ogra
[01:11] <cbx33> havn't seen everyone in a few days
[01:11] <ogra> i dont mind if it stays for two more release cycles in universe if that means we'll get it right
[01:11] <pygi> Is this good enough to get approved for that member stuff of yours?
[01:11] <pygi> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/MarioDanic
[01:13] <ogra> pygi, why *is* it called "How To Cook Edubuntu" ?
[01:13] <cbx33> ogra: is there an implementation to blank all screens?
[01:13] <ogra> (i found that strange from the beginning)
[01:13] <pygi> ogra, I called it like that? :)
[01:14] <ogra> cbx33, not yet, but that will be easy once we have a sane way to remotely execute stuff on the clients
[01:14] <cbx33> yes
[01:14] <ogra> pygi, but you say that you find it strange on your wikipage
[01:14] <cbx33> and to lock out keyboard and mouse activity
[01:14] <pygi> cbx33, we have 4 months to implement stuff :)
[01:14] <cbx33> no it's be longer
[01:14] <pygi> ogra, other people find it strange, so I had to write that :)
[01:14] <cbx33> we want to get it right
[01:14] <pygi> cbx33, yes, I know, no worries ;)
[01:15] <cbx33> heheh
[01:15] <ogra> pygi, i'D make it more clear then, it reads like you find it strange as well :)
[01:15] <pygi> ogra, o joy, ok :) Otherwise fine?
[01:16] <ogra> pygi, well, everybody in here knows you very well, i think the wiki (if you fill the TODO()
[01:16] <ogra> will only have a minor count in our decision
[01:16] <pygi> oki :)
[01:16] <cbx33> you'd get my vote pygi, if I was in the council 
[01:16] <ogra> its just the paperwork you have to do alongside :P
[01:16] <pygi> more paperwork? :)
[01:17] <pygi> cbx33, no worries ;)
[01:17] <cbx33> ;)
[01:17] <cbx33> I'll still advocate you though
[01:17] <pygi> oki, so I have to fill this wiki stuff 
[01:17] <pygi> ah, well :)
[01:17] <cbx33> you've helped me out a lot
[01:17] <pygi> cbx33, yes, I know you will ;) Thanks ;)
[01:17] <pygi> Nah, I haven't helped you nothing :)
[01:18] <cbx33> sure you have :p
[01:18] <cbx33> got my started in python
[01:19] <cbx33> if it weren't for you gisomount wouldn't have been started :)
[01:19] <pygi> :)
[01:21] <cbx33> and it's going well now
[01:21] <cbx33> it's got functionality to calcualte md5sums
[01:21] <pygi> yup, I know
[01:21] <pygi> does that function I gave you worked?
[01:21] <cbx33> heheh, still not tried it
[01:21] <cbx33> havn't had any development time
[01:21] <cbx33> was decoratingall over the weekend
[01:22] <pygi> I saw the interface today ;)
[01:22] <cbx33> for gisomount?
[01:22] <cbx33> oh and it now reads volume labels and creats and mounts it's own mounting dirs, with the volume label as it's name
[01:22] <cbx33> as per ogra's request :p
[01:23] <lucasvo> don't we suppot etherboot as standard?
[01:23] <lucasvo> isn't this the stuff from rom-o-matic.com?
[01:23] <pygi> cbx33, yes, for gisomount, on your blog or something :)
[01:23] <ogra> lucasvo, yes and no
[01:24] <ogra> lucasvo, rom-o-matic has PXE support nowadays
[01:24] <ogra> and we dont support etherboot as standard, it was always optional ...
[01:25] <ogra> (mknbi isnt in main)
[01:25] <cbx33> bbl guys
[01:26] <lucasvo> oh, ok
[01:26] <lucasvo> why is etherboot not in main?
[01:27] <ogra> nobody wants to maintain mknbi
[01:27] <ogra> its perl scripts around a lot of assembler code .... really painful to maintain and debug
[01:27] <lucasvo> uh
[01:28] <lucasvo> asm 
[01:28] <lucasvo> I tried to learn it once
[01:28] <lucasvo> but it is too "simple"
[01:28] <ogra> i might pull it to main so we have it on the CD as an optional choice and you dont have to download it, but there is no way we default to it
[01:29] <pygi> lucasvo, :)
[01:30] <lucasvo> I don't like the default color scheme if gnome terminal
[01:30] <lucasvo> the yellow is to yellowisch
[01:30] <lucasvo> there isn't enough contrast to white
[01:32] <pygi> lucasvo, I need to write that term :P
[01:32] <pygi> "yellowisch" :)
[01:33] <lucasvo> oh, there shouldn't be a C 
[01:33] <lucasvo> yellowish
[01:33] <lucasvo> :)
[01:36] <lucasvo>  I hated going to weddings. All the grandmas would poke me saying "You're next". They stopped that when I started doing it to them at
[01:36] <lucasvo>               funerals.
[01:36] <ogra> where's that from ?
[01:37] <lucasvo> I don't know
[01:37] <ogra> well, you just pasted it
[01:37] <lucasvo> someone quoted it in our #lugs channel
[01:37] <ogra> heh
[01:38] <ogra> makes a nice mail signature :)
[01:39] <lucasvo> lol, yes
[01:41] <ogra> pygi, you dont mention SoC at all in your wikipage
[01:42] <pygi> ogra, does that matter?
[01:42] <ogra> well, you did a ton of work there and dont mention it
[01:42] <ogra> sure that matters as a contribution
[01:42] <pygi> hm,ok,will write it right now :)
[01:44] <lucasvo> preparing for edubuntu community council?
[01:44] <ogra> looks like :)
[01:44] <pygi> lucasvo, ogra forced me :P
[01:45] <lucasvo> ogra: how much does one have to do to get elected?
[01:45] <lucasvo> how many people get elected?
[01:45] <pygi> here: 
[01:45] <pygi> I was helping Jane where I can with organizing this SoC stuff, and I am mentoring 3 students.
[01:45] <pygi> Joy :)
[01:45] <ogra> yep
[01:45] <pygi> lucasvo, cbx33 is the only one elected for now
[01:45] <ogra> lucasvo, you have to have been around for some time and need to have done some sustained contribution ...
[01:46] <ogra> lucasvo, like writing docs, reporting/fixing bugs, makeing artwork etc, everything counts
[01:46] <lucasvo> I don't have enough time to do this, I really would like to but next to school I just don't have enough time
[01:47] <ogra> lucasvo, btw, did you see my message about installing ltsp on ubuntu yesterday ? 
[01:47] <lucasvo> ogra: what time?
[01:47] <ogra> afternoon
[01:47] <lucasvo> in this channel?
[01:48] <ogra> yes
[01:49] <ogra> if people ask "how do i install ltsp on (k)ubuntu?" please dont answer "install edubuntu-server", that will still leave them with the manual setup work, i created https://wiki.edubuntu.org/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall, please point them there in the future
[01:49] <lucasvo> oh ok
[01:49] <ogra> everybody ^^^^^^
[01:49] <lucasvo> I didn't know such a doc exist
[01:49] <ogra> it didnt :)
[01:49] <lucasvo> I thought they would come back and ask in this channel
[01:50] <ogra> i created that yesterday, since i see everybody answering that question like i described ;)
[01:50] <lucasvo> ok
[01:50] <lucasvo> maybe it's worth putting it into the topic
[01:50] <pygi> ogra, what's the chance of me being able to maintain stuff in universe of which I am upstream author altought I am not MOTU? :P
[01:51] <lucasvo> !ltsp
[01:51] <ubotu> I guess ltsp is the Linux Terminal Server Project - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ThinClientHowto (for Breezy), https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LTSPHowTo (pre Breezy).  See also http://www.ltsp.org/
[01:51] <lucasvo> that needs to be updated
[01:51] <pygi> there is better ltsp stuff in cookbook :)
[01:51] <ogra> pygi, you can try to find a mentor, but usually mentors get annoyed after some time if you could even do it yourself
[01:51] <ogra> (i'd go for MOTU if i were you ;) )
[01:52] <ogra> at least long term
[01:52] <pygi> yes, long term :P
[01:52] <pygi> in like 5 years or so :P
[01:52] <ogra> why ? 
[01:52] <pygi> well, I currently have none packages contributed to ubuntu
[01:52] <pygi> actually, I have one :P
[01:52] <pygi> Network manager ;)
[01:53] <pygi> And I don't know how much I need to become a MOTU
[01:53] <ogra> you need to prove your packaging skills
[01:53] <ogra> not more, not less
[01:54] <pygi> ah, ok :)
[01:54] <pygi> thanks for the info ogra ;)
[01:54] <ogra> lucasvo, the thin client howto is fine, i just dont like it (it once looked like the quick install doc i wrote, look at it now)
[01:55] <pygi> don't we have a newer stuff in cookbook?
[01:55] <lucasvo> ogra: I mean it doesn't mention dapper
[01:55] <ogra> pygi, nope
[01:55] <coz_> excuse the interuption, i was looking at the conversation, in terms of art work, if this is contributed, is it through the forums or to someone directly connected with edubuntu?
[01:55] <lucasvo> ogra: maybe one could teach ubotu the UbuntuLTSP
[01:56] <ogra> coz_, i'm not aware of anybody in the edubuntu community reading the forums, so it might slip through under the radar there, the mailing list would be a safe bet
[01:56] <ogra> lucasvo, yep, thats a good idea
[01:57] <coz_> ogra, ok , I have already put things ont he forums gallery, the mailing list ,mm , I will check that out,  thanks again
[01:57] <ogra> just send a mail with links to your artwork :)
[01:57] <coz_> ogra, great thanks
[01:58] <lucasvo> ubotu, UbuntuLTSP is To install LTSP on (K,X)Ubuntu read  https://wiki.edubuntu.org/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
[01:58] <ubotu> okay, lucasvo
[01:58] <lucasvo> !UbuntuLTSP
[01:58] <ubotu> it has been said that ubuntultsp is To install LTSP on (K,X)Ubuntu read  https://wiki.edubuntu.org/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
[01:58] <ogra> lucasvo, hmm
[01:58] <lucasvo> ok not optimal
[01:58] <ogra> i'd add dapper there somewhere
[01:58] <ogra> or add it to the !ltsp output as dapper docs
[01:59] <lucasvo> ubotu, UbuntuLTSP is on https://wiki.edubuntu.org/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall 
[01:59] <ubotu> ...but ubuntultsp is already something else...
[01:59] <lucasvo> :(
[01:59] <lucasvo> !ubotu
[01:59] <coz_> ogra, sorry, on emore question,,,mailing list edubuntu-devel, or edubuneu-users for the artwork
[01:59] <ubotu> Yep, that's me! I'm a bot alright. Read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbotuUsage to find out how to use me. Do NOT play with me in any channel except #debian-bots.
[01:59] <pygi> ubotu forget UbuntuLTSP
[01:59] <ogra> you need to delete it first i think
[01:59] <ubotu> i forgot ubuntultsp, pygi
[01:59] <pygi> lucasvo, now
[02:00] <cbx33> :D - I need to improve my packaging skills
[02:00] <cbx33> ;)
[02:00] <cbx33> I can repackage, just need to know how to do it from scratch
[02:00] <lucasvo> ubotu, UbuntuLTSP is on https://wiki.edubuntu.org/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall 
[02:00] <ubotu> okay, lucasvo
[02:00] <lucasvo> !Ubuntultsp
[02:00] <ubotu> ubuntultsp is, like, on https://wiki.edubuntu.org/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
[02:00] <ogra> coz_, they are currently not distict, all users from edubuntu-devel are subscribed to edubuntu-users (-users is very new still)
[02:00] <lucasvo> !ltsp
[02:00] <ubotu> I guess ltsp is the Linux Terminal Server Project - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ThinClientHowto (for Breezy), https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LTSPHowTo (pre Breezy).  See also http://www.ltsp.org/
[02:00] <coz_> ogra, thaks again
[02:00] <ogra> coz_, so pick as you like ;)
[02:01] <coz_> ok
[02:01] <lucasvo> ubotu no, ltsp i the Linux Terminal Server Project - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ThinClientHowto (for Breezy), https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LTSPHowTo (pre Breezy).  See also http://www.ltsp.org/
[02:01] <ubotu> lucasvo: I'm sorry, i don't know what you're talking about
[02:01] <lucasvo> ubotu no, ltsp is the Linux Terminal Server Project -  https://wiki.edubuntu.org/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall (for dapper), https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ThinClientHowto (for Breezy), https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LTSPHowTo (pre Breezy).  or  See also http://www.ltsp.org/
[02:01] <ubotu> lucasvo: okay
[02:01] <lucasvo> !ltsp
[02:01] <ubotu> ltsp is, like, the Linux Terminal Server Project -  https://wiki.edubuntu.org/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall (for dapper), https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ThinClientHowto (for Breezy), https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LTSPHowTo (pre Breezy).  or  See also http://www.ltsp.org/
[02:02] <lucasvo> ok
[02:02] <pygi> lucasvo, joy :P
[02:02] <ogra> yep
[02:02] <ogra> even just  https://wiki.edubuntu.org/UbuntuLTSP/ would have been better ... 
[02:02] <ogra> quick install is pretty obvious there
[02:03] <lucasvo> ubotu no, ltsp is the Linux Terminal Server Project -  https://wiki.edubuntu.org/UbuntuLTSP/ (for dapper), https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ThinClientHowto (for Breezy), https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LTSPHowTo (pre Breezy).  or  See also http://www.ltsp.org/
[02:03] <ubotu> okay, lucasvo
[02:03] <ogra> yay
[02:03] <ogra> goal
[02:03] <lucasvo> ubotu no, ltsp is the Linux Terminal Server Project -  https://wiki.edubuntu.org/UbuntuLTSP/ (for Dapper), https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ThinClientHowto (for Breezy), https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LTSPHowTo (pre Breezy).  or  See also http://www.ltsp.org/
[02:03] <ubotu> lucasvo: okay
[02:04] <ogra> does this affect the database for #ubuntu as well ?=
[02:04] <lucasvo> probably yes
[02:04] <pygi> ogra, yup, I think it does
[02:04] <ogra> good
[02:04] <lucasvo> for #edubuntu we should have edubuntu girl
[02:04] <lucasvo> where is she?
[02:04] <ogra> ask highvoltage 
[02:05] <cbx33> brb
[02:05] <ogra> i think juliux wanted to arrange permanent server space for her
[02:06] <ogra> gah, coz_ left already, forgot to tell him about the launchpad artteam
[02:07] <pygi> ogra, we can tell him that at the list when he mails
[02:07] <lucasvo> will there ever be support for local dvd-rw drives?
[02:07] <ogra> yep
[02:07] <ogra> lucasvo, sure, why not ?
[02:08] <ogra> if we support cdroms we can also support every other disk spinning media thats attached
[02:08] <pygi> o joy, somebody just approved me as edubuntu tester :)
[02:09] <ogra> and you ddint even have to jum through hoops
[02:09] <ogra> *jump
[02:09] <lucasvo> ogra: isn't it something different to mount cdroms in gnome than burning dvds?
[02:09] <lucasvo> hi cbx333 
[02:09] <cbx33> hey
[02:09] <ogra> you didnt talk about burning :)
[02:10] <lucasvo> ogra: well that's what I wanted to know :)
[02:10] <cbx33> did someone mention mounting and cdroms
[02:10] <cbx33> ;P
[02:10] <lucasvo> cbx33: yes I did
[02:10] <cbx33> i couldn't resist
[02:10] <pygi> cbx33, hehe :)
[02:10] <ogra> lucasvo, if we have localapps support at some point ...
[02:10] <cbx33> oooh, /me would love that
[02:11] <lucasvo> cbx33: btw, do you want to include gisomount into gnome?
[02:11] <cbx33> I'd love to
[02:11] <lucasvo> so that every user can open the context menu and click Mount this ISO
[02:11] <cbx33> that's the plan
[02:11] <ogra> does gnome accept python stuff nowadays ?
[02:11] <lucasvo> oh, ok
[02:11] <cbx33> i doubt it
[02:12] <ogra> me too
[02:12] <lucasvo> ogra: what is gnome written in?
[02:12] <cbx33> my efforts are probably in vein
[02:12] <ogra> C
[02:12] <highvoltage> lucasvo: juliux has donated some of his server resources for edubuntugirl. i wanted to get that sorted out the past weekend, but had lots of other things that came up. i'll move up the priority of getting edubuntugirl back, though.
[02:12] <lucasvo> ++?
[02:12] <pygi> ogra, yes, it should
[02:12] <pygi> lucasvo, nop, C with Gobject stuff
[02:12] <lucasvo> highvoltage: np
[02:12] <cbx33> but i'm writing it primarily as an exercise for learning python and GUIs
[02:13] <pygi> cbx33, I'll try to help you with KDE porting when I catch time
[02:13] <pygi> which should be in like month and a half
[02:13] <cbx33> pygi: that'd be great
[02:13] <lucasvo> nooo
[02:13] <cbx33> well it's still in devel as you know
[02:13] <lucasvo> not kde
[02:13] <lucasvo> :)
[02:13] <cbx33> I suppose I should set a freeze date, but I'll have to talk to LaserJock first
[02:13] <pygi> lucasvo, bah :)
[02:13] <cbx33> we're co authoring it, though he doesn't have a lot of time at the mo
[02:14] <pygi> lucasvo, read my wiki for what I think about that kde vs gnome stuff :P
[02:14] <cbx33> he's worried that by the time he gets time to work on it, the code will be too big for him to read ;p
[02:14] <ogra> cbx33, in any case make a package of it 
[02:14] <cbx33> ogra: of course I will
[02:14] <ogra> to get your foot into packaging
[02:14] <cbx33> I'm trying to learn packaging so I can do just that
[02:14] <lucasvo> pygi: If all the kde devs would join the gnome dev. team, gnome would be at least as good as kde
[02:14] <lucasvo> same is with gecko and khtml
[02:15] <ogra> lucasvo, you mean as bad as KDE ?
[02:15] <cbx33> ogra: I'm looking into setup.py
[02:15] <pygi> ogra, no argument which is better ;)
[02:15] <cbx33> as that is what is used for python packaging, so I'm told
[02:15] <lucasvo> I think one should use khtml because safari is using it as well. that would be so much easier...
[02:15] <cbx33> yuk safari
[02:15] <ogra> cbx33, well, i never use it :)
[02:15] <cbx33> ogra: how do you do it?
[02:15] <lucasvo> imagine a www where there is only one rendering engine
[02:15] <ogra> .install files in the debian dir suffice
[02:16] <lucasvo> all the webdevelopers would loose their stuff
[02:16] <cbx33> yes i see
[02:16] <cbx33> ogra: would you recommend doing it that way
[02:16] <ogra> lucasvo, you mean we should switch ubuntu to IE ?
[02:16] <lucasvo> *would loose their job I mean
[02:16] <pygi> ogra, lol :)
[02:16] <ogra> hey mdz !
[02:16] <lucasvo> ogra: I think either konqueror should use gecko or epiphany should use khtml
[02:16] <cbx33> hi mdz :D
[02:17] <ogra> lucasvo, *shudder*
[02:17] <pygi> hey hey mdz 
[02:17] <mdz> good morning
[02:17] <lucasvo> ogra: gecko has teh majority
[02:17] <lucasvo> but the kde fools still dont use gecko
[02:17] <lucasvo> apple is stupid as well, using khtml instead of gecko
[02:18] <lucasvo> *at least* they didn't develop a new engine
[02:18] <ogra> thats not a matter of stupidity i guess
[02:18] <lucasvo> ogra: why would the choose khtml?
[02:18] <ogra> its a marketing decision the apple folks would be easily able to explain to you i think
[02:19] <lucasvo> ogra: you mean choosing khtml they don't have to compete firefox which runs on osx as well?
[02:19] <ogra> no idea, i'm not working at apple :)
[02:19] <lucasvo> yeah
[02:19] <ogra> but whats wrong with giving the people choice ? 
[02:20] <lucasvo> what choice?
[02:20] <lucasvo> which rendering engine one uses?
[02:20] <ogra> which browser they like
[02:20] <cbx33> ogra: do you cater for different install paths using the .install method?
[02:21] <lucasvo> it makes my life about twice as hard when I make websites that should look the same in *every* browser
[02:21] <lucasvo> ogra: rendering engine != browser
[02:21] <lucasvo> ogra: I wouldn't care about khtml in firefox
[02:22] <lucasvo> is there a pxe capable wifi card?
[02:22] <ogra> cbx33, look at the debian dir in the ltsp source for example 
[02:22] <ogra> nope
[02:23] <cbx33> ogra: ok cool
[02:24] <ogra> oh, the horrible orange banner is gone, good
[02:24] <cbx33> yes
[02:24] <cbx33> but xubuntu isn't on the employemtn page
[02:24] <cbx33> and the partners page has a funny font for the tabs
[02:24] <ogra> probably we simply just dont hire for xubuntu :P
[02:25] <cbx33> heheh
[02:25] <cbx33> and the planet tab that is in wiki, I think should be on the drupal pages
[02:25] <cbx33> for consistency
[02:25] <cbx33> who deals with the website currently?
[02:26] <ogra> heno
[02:26] <cbx33> maybe I should send a mail?
[02:26] <ogra> or ping him in -devel :)
[02:27] <ogra> i'd have said file a bug, but there is still no website product in launchpad
[02:27] <cbx33> no
[02:27] <cbx33> I'll ping
[02:28] <lucasvo> http://www.desdeamericaconamor.org/blog/node/156
[02:28] <lucasvo> lol
[02:32] <cbx33> :D
[02:34] <cbx33> ogra: in that package, the ltsp, where do you specify where to install to?
[02:34] <cbx33> most paths are relative
[02:35] <cbx33> like client/lp_server
[02:35] <ogra> yep
[02:35] <ogra> thats why its so easy ;)
[02:35] <cbx33> so where is the base dir
[02:35] <cbx33> how does it know where to put them?
[02:35] <ogra> just look from the / of your source tree
[02:39] <cbx33> ogra: ok I think I see it now, you build the files, with the rules script
[02:40] <cbx33> then the .install moves them from there into the proper locqations?
[02:40] <pygi> wb Bluekuja 
[02:40] <ogra> yes
[02:40] <cbx33> :D
[02:40] <ogra> dh_install moves them
[02:40] <cbx33> yes
[02:40] <Bluekuja> pygi: hello
[02:40] <cbx33> but
[02:40] <ogra> similar to dh_manpages moving the manpages
[02:41] <cbx33> yes
[02:41] <cbx33> but...
[02:41] <Bluekuja> ogra, cbx33: good afternoon :)
[02:41] <cbx33> in that example
[02:41] <cbx33> it moves them into the chrrot of the ltsp server
[02:41] <cbx33> how does it know to do that
[02:41] <cbx33> seeing as usr/lib/ltsp
[02:41] <cbx33> is still relative
[02:41] <ogra> its doesnt
[02:42] <ogra> it moves them to /usr/lib/ltsp
[02:42] <cbx33> 0_o
[02:42] <cbx33> client/lp_server/src/lp_server usr/lib/ltsp
[02:42] <cbx33> is a line from the .install
[02:42] <ogra> (there is a tempdir during package buildtime that has the tree)
[02:42] <ogra> yes
[02:42] <cbx33> ah
[02:42] <cbx33> the temp dir is under debian/
[02:43] <cbx33> isn't it
[02:43] <ogra>  /usr/lib/ltsp is the target location of the file
[02:43] <cbx33> yes
[02:43] <cbx33> but there is no leading /
[02:44] <ogra> dh_install will prepend builddir and tmp path to that path
[02:44] <cbx33> ah ook
[02:44] <cbx33> that's all I needed to know
[02:44] <ogra> in the package and in the install it will be /usr/lib/ltsp then
[02:45] <cbx33> is where it ends up on my server
[02:45] <cbx33>  /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/lib/ltsp/lp_server
[02:46] <ogra> indeed
[02:46] <cbx33> so /opt/ltsp/i386 is defined in which file?
[02:46] <ogra> you get a box of beer from me if you find out why ;)
[02:46] <cbx33> but it'll need to be altered for different archs
[02:46] <ogra> (or at least 3 of JaneW's virtual goldstars)
[02:47] <cbx33> wow 3 gold stars?
[02:47] <cbx33> I'll hold you to that one
[02:47] <cbx33> oh btw
[02:47] <JaneW> hehehe
[02:47] <cbx33> when I upgraded my dapper install to the latest version, it overwrote my pexlinux.cfg/default file
[02:47] <JaneW> ogra: I'll have to hand my box of stars over to you
[02:47] <JaneW> ogra: to use at your discretion of course :)
[02:47] <cbx33> is that intended
[02:48] <ogra> JaneW, they'll always carry your name :)
[02:48] <ogra> cbx33, i'm not aware that anything runs ltsp-update-kernels automatically
[02:49] <cbx33> ah is that overwrites it?
[02:49] <ogra> and i wouldnt know anything else thats aware of this file
[02:49] <cbx33> cos it shuldn't need to should it?
[02:49] <ogra> ltsp-update-kernels should only be run if you upgrade the kernel in the client chroot
[02:50] <pygi> JaneW, have you read How to cook edubuntu stuff? any good ? :)
[02:50] <cbx33> ok, but doesn't it use a symlink as vmlinuz
[02:50] <ogra> yep
[02:50] <cbx33> so it shouldn't need to alter that file?
[02:50] <cbx33> should it?
[02:50] <ogra> it deletes and recreates the vmlinuz link
[02:51] <ogra> after copying the kernel binary from the chroot to /var/lib/tftpboot
[02:51] <cbx33> i know :p
[02:51] <ogra> (and the initramfs indeed)
[02:51] <cbx33> I've studied those scripts
[02:51] <ogra> ;)
[02:54] <JaneW> pygi: yes I have been reading it today - very nice :)
[02:54] <jimjimovich2> wow, just spent 3 hours working on our lab.  got 5 more computers working.  just needed to set monitor and video settings in lts.conf
[02:54] <pygi> JaneW, glad you like it ;)
[02:55] <ogra> jimjimovich2, :D
[02:55] <pygi> jimjimovich2, congrats ;)
[02:55] <paolob> Hi guys! trying edubuntu 6.06: clients booting much faster! Congratulations
[02:55] <jimjimovich2> our computers are slow, but they're working, so that's good.  going to talk to our bosses about getting a few more thin clients
[02:55] <ogra> paolob, thanks !!! :)
[02:56] <jimjimovich2> huge thanks to everyone who worked on this release!!
[02:56] <pygi> jimjimovich2, just upgrade server if you can, and it should all behave better ;)
[02:56] <cbx33> ogra: is the reason for the install dir in the source of the package?
[02:56] <ogra> jimjimovich2, such a feedback is the bigges loan :)
[02:56] <paolob> Still a problem with dhcp? When booting 1 client i get: Jun  5 08:53:55 server-basica dhcpd: DHCPDISCOVER from 00:01:02:6e:46:97 via eth1
[02:56] <paolob> Jun  5 08:53:55 server-basica dhcpd: ICMP Echo reply while lease 10.152.58.246 valid.
[02:56] <paolob> Jun  5 08:53:55 server-basica dhcpd: Abandoning IP address 10.152.58.246: pinged before offer
[02:56] <paolob> Jun  5 08:53:56 server-basica dhcpd: DHCPDISCOVER from 00:01:02:6e:46:97 via eth1
[02:56] <paolob> Jun  5 08:53:57 server-basica dhcpd: DHCPOFFER on 10.152.58.245 to 00:01:02:6e:46:97 via eth1
[02:56] <paolob> J
[02:57] <jimjimovich2> pygi: upgrade server?
[02:57] <paolob> i.e.: ip 246 abandoned!?! is it a bug
[02:57] <paolob> ?
[02:57] <jimjimovich2> pygi: it's a brand new dapper install
[02:57] <ogra> cbx33, yes, in saome way its also in the source of the package, but not the way you might think ;)
[02:57] <pygi> jimjimovich2, hardware :)
[02:57] <cbx33> ogra: I'm gonna get to the root of this
[02:57] <jimjimovich2> pygi: the server is dual xeon 2.8ghz with 4GB ram
[02:58] <pygi> jimjimovich2, more :)
[02:58] <jimjimovich2> pygi: but some of the clients are like 10 years old
[02:58] <ogra> cbx33, aa small hint, read the description of ltsp-client
[02:58] <pygi> jimjimovich2, joking :)
[02:58] <jimjimovich2> one question for you all
[02:59] <jimjimovich2> is it possible to mount local floppies or usb flash drives on the thin clients?
[03:00] <lucasvo> jimjimovich2: not yet
[03:01] <ogra> jimjimovich2, not without setting it up yourself ... ltspfs and ltspfsd are packaged, but not integrated 
[03:01] <jimjimovich2> ogra: any links or docs on those?
[03:01] <ogra> the scripts on the ltsp.org wiki and these two packages should help
[03:02] <ogra> http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtspFS
[03:05] <jimjimovich2> ogra: thanks
[03:05] <jimjimovich2> anyone using a solution besides local drives for student removable storage?
[03:07] <pygi> ogra, do you know what's the name of artwork team on LP so I could point that guy?
[03:07] <ogra> edubuntu-art ?
[03:07] <ogra> no idea
[03:08] <pygi> hm,ok, will look
[03:08] <ogra> https://launchpad.net/people/edubuntu-artwork
[03:08] <pygi> thanks ogra ;)
[03:11] <paolob> Guys, after upgrading to dapper, when I login in the console it says me "configuration error - unknown item 'QUOTAS_ENAB' (notify administrator)", and also with the items: NOLOGIN_STR ENV_HZ  CLOSE_SESSIONS . What is it?
[03:11] <ogra> looks like a custom environment setting, did you set that =
[03:11] <ogra> +?
[03:12] <paolob> Besides that, I can't login into the clients: apparently the user/password pair is correct, but it goes back to entering username
[03:12] <paolob> ogra, explain it better
[03:12] <ogra> try running: sudo ltsp-update-sshkeys 
[03:12] <ogra> for the login issue
[03:12] <paolob> ogra, ok
[03:13] <ogra> oh, and how did you upgrade ?
[03:14] <ogra> did you follow http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuLTSPUpgrade ?
[03:14] <ogra> err
[03:14] <ogra> http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuLTSPUpgradeNotes
[03:16] <paolob> ogra: I first did a sudo apt-get dist-upgrade, and then I followed the 2nd method in that page
[03:16] <ogra> ok
[03:17] <paolob> ogra, still problems with logging in the clients: only the first client logs in, the others do not!
[03:17] <paolob> i.e. the first that logs is in the only that can log in
[03:17] <ogra> did you reboot the clients after the command ? 
[03:18] <paolob> ogra, let me see
[03:18] <ogra> they need to pick up the new ssh keay on boot
[03:20] <paolob> ogra, no client logs in gnome
[03:20] <ogra> hmm
[03:20] <ogra> you get dropped back directly to the login screen ?
[03:20] <paolob> I put the username, the passoword, apparently it validates, but suddenly it restarts gdm
[03:21] <paolob> and I get the username request again
[03:21] <ogra> do you see the gnome splash ? or does it happen immediately ?
[03:21] <paolob> ogra, no, I don't see the login screen
[03:22] <ogra> hmm, thats an ssh problem then, strange ... did the upgrade of the server go smoothly or did you have any errors ? 
[03:23] <paolob> wait... some user can login!
[03:23] <paolob> some other not
[03:24] <ogra> look in ~/.xsession-errors of the ones that cant log in
[03:24] <paolob> and in the console all give the error about the unknown items
[03:24] <paolob> where?
[03:24] <ogra> in the homedirs of the users
[03:25] <ogra> every user has a hidden ~/.xsession-errors where errors are logged if they happen after login ...
[03:28] <highvoltage> i hope i wasn't too harsh.
[03:28] <ogra> highvoltage, i talked to jammcq
[03:28] <highvoltage> ogra: what does he say?
[03:29] <ogra> that guy (its not a girl) bought 1 (one !) thin client at disklessworkstations and rants at them as much as at us since then
[03:29] <ogra> he boutght that client 3 years ago
[03:29] <highvoltage> ah, so it's not just our difficult customer :)
[03:29] <highvoltage> geepers
[03:29] <ogra> ignore :)
[03:30] <lucasvo> highvoltage: you work at disklessworkstations.com?
[03:32] <paolob> ogra, I found the problem: I was trying logging in with a user that existed but whose homedir didn't exist
[03:32] <ogra> oh
[03:33] <ogra> thats indeed a small showstopper :)
[03:34] <paolob> ogra, other little problem: I killed the X server on a client, and now every time I boot that client it doesn't show the gdm login, but a console login, and I must issue ctl-alt-f7 in order to have the gdm login. Is it a bug?
[03:34] <lucasvo> strange
[03:34] <ogra> and all other clients behave sane ? 
[03:34] <lucasvo> actually it should be readonly so it should be the same everytime 
[03:36] <ogra> guys cbx33 just earned the 3 virtual JaneW goldstars :) 
[03:36] <lucasvo> *clap* *clap*
[03:36] <lucasvo> what is this?
[03:36] <lucasvo> :)
[03:37] <paolob> ogra, well, yes, on the others I can kill X without problems. Let me investigate more.
[03:37] <JaneW> *clap* *clap*
[03:37] <highvoltage> *clap* *clap*
[03:37] <JaneW> cbx33: nice flaming-hoop-jumping :)
[03:37] <highvoltage> what did he do to deserve the gold stars?
[03:37] <paolob> ogra, and what about "configuration error - unknown item 'QUOTAS_ENAB' (notify administrator)" when suing, and when addusering and delusering too?
[03:38] <ogra> paolob, thats a clean edubuntu ? no debian sources in your sources.list or something ? the error was reported in debian
[03:38] <ogra> but i never heard that it ever entered ubuntu
[03:39] <paolob> ogra, in sources.list I only have binaries
[03:39] <cbx33> Thanks JaneW 
[03:39] <paolob> ogra, before upgrading I had deb http://parroquia:3142/pkg-voip.buildserver.net/ubuntu breezy main
[03:40] <paolob> (do not consider the apt-cacher proxy)
[03:41] <ogra> weird, i cant get to that url
[03:41] <cbx33> there's no hope of me getting there
[03:41] <ogra> errr
[03:41] <ogra> lol
[03:41] <cbx33> port 3142
[03:41] <ogra> indeed there isnt 
[03:41] <ogra> unless you have parroquia in your /etc/hosts
[03:42] <ogra> paolob, did you take that out ?
[03:42] <paolob> ogra, look at http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=420049
[03:42] <paolob> cbx33, port 3142 is used by apt-cacher
[03:42] <cbx33> paolob: no i mean all ports are blocked here apart from like 80 443
[03:43] <paolob> ogra, I commented that line out
[03:43] <ogra> paolob, and is the error for FAIL_DELAY gone ? 
[03:44] <ogra> err, you didnt have FAIL_DELAY in yours
[03:44] <paolob> ogra, no, I commented out before dist-upgrading, and since after the dist-upgrade the error appears
[03:46] <ogra> paolob, what does: dpokg -l login give you ?
[03:46] <ogra> err
[03:46] <ogra> dpkg -l login
[03:47] <ogra> (should be 4.0.13-7something ...
[03:47] <ogra> )
[03:47] <paolob> ogra: ii  login                     4.0.13-7ubuntu3
[03:48] <ogra> fine ... seems your login.defs werent upgraded ... :/
[03:48] <paolob> ogra, I reinstalled login, but nothing changed
[03:49] <ogra> well, its a conffile, you touched it ...
[03:49] <ogra> (by commenting FAIL_DELAY in breezy)
[03:50] <jsgotangco> good evening
[03:50] <paolob> ogra, should I overwrite it manually from the deb package?
[03:51] <ogra> you should have gotten a prompt during upgrade if you want to kepp the version or take the maintainers version
[03:51] <pygi> hey jsgotangco ;)
[03:51] <ogra> *keep
[03:53] <paolob> ogra, actually I didn't modify login.defs by hands
[03:54] <ogra> well, how did you comment that variable ?
[03:56] <paolob> ogra, I didn't commented it. 
 ogra, no, I commented out before dist-upgrading, and since after the dist-upgrade the error appears
[03:57] <paolob> ogra, no, I commented the other deb source in sources.list
[03:57] <ogra> anyway, installing the login package by hand via dpkg with the --force-confnew switch should solve it
[03:58] <ogra> that will force the file to be overwritten
[03:59] <pygi> (because I know we have one student working on that)
[04:00] <ogra> there was an awesome nautilus extension once, no idea what became of that one ... the UI was grand
[04:00] <paolob> ogra, I did it now, but the error persists. Should I restart something in order to get effective the change?
[04:00] <pygi> ogra, hm...
[04:00] <ogra> i'm not sure when login.defs gets read
[04:01] <pygi> hey bddebian ;)
[04:02] <bddebian> Hi pygi
[04:02] <jsgotangco> yay for PXE
[04:02] <highvoltage> :)
[04:04] <ogra> jsgotangco, lol
[04:04] <jsgotangco> i mean come one
[04:04] <jsgotangco> s/one/one
[04:04] <jsgotangco> ggrrr
[04:04] <jsgotangco> s/one/on
[04:04] <pygi> lol :)
[04:05] <jsgotangco> its not OUR fault that a lot of computers now ship with PXE
[04:05] <lucasvo> When I was wasting time on OSdir.com I found a screenshot from suse with gnome
[04:05] <highvoltage> i'd choose etherboot over pxe too, but it's not worth making so much noise about. especially since you don't need to use the proprietary PXE firmware (which this guy didn't realise)
[04:05] <lucasvo> there was a Gnome control center similar to the apple systems setting 
[04:05] <lucasvo> will this also be included into ubuntu?
[04:06] <ogra> thats yast, isnt it ? 
[04:06] <jsgotangco> yes but if we're talking about practicality, its there (PXE), why not use it
[04:06] <lucasvo> no
[04:08] <lucasvo> http://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/637_or/41.png
[04:08] <lucasvo> I quite like the desktop of SUSE
[04:09] <jsgotangco> it looks like the kubuntu control center
[04:09] <lucasvo> yes
[04:09] <lucasvo> but it is gnome :)
[04:09] <cbx33> grrr....
[04:09] <cbx33> my IRC keeps crashing
[04:09] <jsgotangco> suse in gnome? the horror!
[04:09] <lucasvo> it's like the System> Preferences menu but nicer arranged
[04:10] <lucasvo> jsgotangco: why?
[04:10] <lucasvo> cbx33: use irssi
[04:10] <cbx33> lucasvo: I can't
[04:10] <highvoltage> gnome is the default desktop on suse these days
[04:10] <lucasvo> cbx33: why?
[04:10] <cbx33> those ports are blocked
[04:10] <cbx33> hence I have to do it another way
[04:10] <jsgotangco> really?
[04:10] <lucasvo> cbx33: you are in school now?
[04:10] <cbx33> I'm in a school yes
[04:10] <jsgotangco> the last suse i really tried is suse 10
[04:10] <cbx33> I work here
[04:10] <lucasvo> cbx33: use ssh to a machine and then use irssi
[04:10] <cbx33> and it's not us that's blocked them
[04:11] <cbx33> lucasvo: port 22 is blocked
[04:11] <lucasvo> cbx33: I don't have school today
[04:11] <lucasvo> cbx33: use ssl mailport for ssh :)
[04:11] <cbx33> I'm the IT manager at the school
[04:11] <lucasvo> I mean smtp
[04:11] <cbx33> I can't
[04:11] <cbx33> port 25 and 110 are blocked
[04:11] <highvoltage> smtp blocked?
[04:11] <lucasvo> cbx33: in CH it's a holiday nobody works
[04:11] <highvoltage> geez
[04:11] <cbx33> indeed it is
[04:11] <cbx33> it sux big time
[04:11] <cbx33> my only other option is vpn
[04:12] <jsgotangco> isn't it the queens birthday today
[04:12] <lucasvo> cbx33: and how are you supposed to work as an admin?
[04:12] <jsgotangco> or something
[04:12] <cbx33> which I'm pretty sure is against our service agreement
[04:12] <lucasvo> without mail, ssh...
[04:12] <lucasvo> cbx33: are you sure?
[04:12] <lucasvo> ask your boss to give you the permission to use vpn
[04:12] <cbx33> lucasvo: yes
[04:12] <cbx33> we would be connecting to another network which is attached to the internet
[04:13] <cbx33> == against TOC?
[04:13] <lucasvo> oh
[04:20] <sabdfl> hey everybody
[04:20] <sabdfl> congrats on dapper-edubuntu
[04:21] <lucasvo> thanks sabdfl!
[04:21] <ogra> hey sabdfl, niche to see you here :)
[04:22] <ogra> *nice tpo
[04:22] <ogra> argh
[04:22] <ogra> *too too
[04:22] <pygi> hey mark
[04:23] <jsgotangco> heyyy
[04:23] <jsgotangco> sabdfl: thanks for the support too
[04:25] <highvoltage> hi sabdfl. great to see you here :)
[04:25] <sabdfl> hey highvoltage
[04:25] <highvoltage> ogra: sorry, didn't see your welcoming at first
[04:26] <ogra> highvoltage, and, would that forbid you from saying hello ? :P 
[04:27] <lucasvo> highvoltage: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/gallery/browseimages.php?do=member&imageuser=44394
[04:27] <highvoltage> sabdfl: btw, i meant to say thanks for making shipit edubuntu cd's available for shipit. I can't wait to receive my copy. i'm going to let ogra sign that one ;)
[04:28] <jsgotangco> with a golden pen!
[04:28] <lucasvo> ^- maybe one could use one of these splashscreens for the edubunt-plain theme, the animals look a little bit more grown up, what do you think, highvoltage?
[04:28] <ogra> haha
[04:29] <lucasvo> ogra: you gonna sell some signed copies on ebay?
[04:29] <bddebian> hehe
[04:29] <ogra> heh, surely not :)
[04:30] <highvoltage> ogra: did you see my last mail about the testing, do you think running a test 'test-run' in advance would be a good idea?
[04:30] <jsgotangco> if ogra visits my place, i will definitely offer to him the virgins of my village lol
[04:30] <pygi> jsgotangco, lol :)
[04:31] <bddebian> Wow, you have virgins in your village??  Where is this place? :)
[04:31] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: ah, but you say that to everyone ;)
[04:31] <ogra> 7me takes a secret look at his GF if she heard that 
[04:31] <bddebian> hehe
[04:31] <jsgotangco> no that's mhz
[04:32] <lucasvo> jsgotangco: but only if they are very geek and compile their kernel on their own :)
[04:32] <highvoltage> ah yes, that's right
[04:32] <pygi> cbx33, you still around?
[04:32] <ogra> EEK, how did the spam get through ?
[04:33] <lucasvo> cbx33 is a poor boy, at school without ssh and vpn
[04:33] <lucasvo> ogra: where on a list?
[04:33] <ogra> edubuntu-devel, yes
[04:33] <ogra> "look through the message ctxe.pk you'll fancy it inside "
[04:34] <ogra> is the subject
[04:34] <lucasvo> ogra: you drank too much?
[04:34] <jsgotangco> i guess gmail is very very good =)
[04:34] <lucasvo> :)
[04:34] <highvoltage> ogra: To: edubuntu-devel-owner@lists.ubuntu.com
[04:34] <lucasvo> ah, that explains it
[04:34] <highvoltage> it didn't get through to the list, afaict
[04:35] <ogra> Von: 	Glenna Kerr <Glenna.Kerr@earthlink.net>
[04:35] <ogra> An: 	edubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com
[04:35] <ogra> Betreff: 	look through the message ctxe.pk you'll fancy it inside 
[04:35] <ogra> looks different in my evo
[04:35] <lucasvo> nope, I don't see anything
[04:36] <lucasvo> !flash
[04:36] <ubotu> Installation & troubleshooting for Flash is covered in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[04:36] <ogra> hmm, weird
[04:36] <ogra> there is no trace of -devel-owner either in the source 
[04:37] <lucasvo> maybe a faked recipient?
[04:37] <highvoltage> ogra: it seems i'm looking at an older, but similar e-mail. i still didn't see it on the list though 
[04:37] <ogra> then its ok ... might be only me ...
[04:38] <ogra> (still strange though)
[04:38] <lucasvo> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/edubuntu-devel/2006-June/date.html
[04:38] <lucasvo> it's not in there
[04:38] <highvoltage> lucasvo: it says 'No Images to Display' :/
[04:39] <ogra> lucasvo, the archive gets mirrored by a cronjob that has nothing to say
[04:39] <lucasvo> ogra: it's not on the same host as mailman is?
[04:39] <lucasvo> -is
[04:39] <highvoltage> lucasvo: did you mean that one with the naked woman on it? that's like... old style ubuntu :)
[04:40] <lucasvo> highvoltage: no
[04:40] <ogra> no idea which host it is, but the archives are delayed
[04:40] <ogra> thats normal
[04:40] <highvoltage> ok, cheers #edubuntu
[04:40] <lucasvo> highvoltage: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/gallery/showimage.php?i=2472&catid=member&imageuser=44394
[04:41] <lucasvo> oh
[04:44] <jsgotangco> elephant?
[04:45] <ogra> elphubuntu :)
[04:45] <lucasvo> yes
[04:45] <lucasvo> don't you like it?
[04:45] <ogra> didnt he/she write about edubuntu specific artwork ? 
[04:45] <ogra> i dont see any
[04:46] <ogra> oh
[04:46] <ogra> i lied
[04:46] <ogra> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/gallery/showimage.php?i=2454&original=1&c=member&imageuser=44394
[04:46] <ogra> puppybuntu
[04:47] <jsgotangco> errr
[04:47] <lucasvo> 16:45 < ogra> didnt he/she write about edubuntu specific artwork ?
[04:47] <lucasvo> he/she said that he would be willing to change ubuntu to edubuntu
[04:48] <jsgotangco> ubuntu zoo?
[04:49] <ogra> :)
[04:53] <pygi> ttyl later people
[04:57] <jsgotangco> ciao pygi
[05:06] <cbx33> pygi: I'm here
[05:08] <cbx33> bah too late
[05:15] <jsgotangco> Ethical Ubuntu???
[05:15] <ogra> heh
[05:16] <jsgotangco> my this goes against our PXE policy
[05:28] <cbx33> http://www.progbox.co.uk/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2006/06/graphicsbadness.png
[05:28] <cbx33> :(
[05:28] <cbx33> i get graphics funnies on dapper
[05:32] <ogra> there is a bug open about that anywhere ... seems to be the gtk engine
[05:34] <ogra> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/47638
[05:35] <ogra> and https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/edubuntu-artwork/+bug/47336
[05:41] <cbx33> ah ok
[05:41] <cbx33> I'll ignore it then
[05:45] <cbx33> right I'm off
[05:46] <cbx33> should hopefully be seeing you all in awhile on my laptop from my mobile...
[05:46] <cbx33> :D very exciting for me heheheh
[05:46] <cbx33> byebye
[05:46] <ogra> ciao
[05:46] <cbx33> thanks again for the help ogra
[05:46] <cbx33> a Major one :)
[05:47] <ogra> nice :)
[05:47] <jsgotangco> your own bugs?
[05:47] <cbx33> :( - yes :p
[05:47] <cbx33> for now
[05:47] <jsgotangco> thanks karma jacker
[05:47] <jsgotangco> heh
[05:47] <cbx33> it'll either be me or LaserJock who fixes them
[05:47] <cbx33> I hope more people will be up for testing it soon
[05:48] <cbx33> so I can get more bugs to fix
[05:48] <jsgotangco> got a deb?
[05:48] <cbx33> not yet
[05:48] <cbx33> hopefully going to work on that over the next few days
[05:48] <cbx33> it's just three files at the moment
[05:48] <cbx33> just bung em in a directory and run em
[05:48] <cbx33> hehe
[05:48] <cbx33> gotta slim down the gisomount bzr repo
[05:48] <jsgotangco> it should be trivial for you after all you're under guidance by the father packer
[05:48] <jsgotangco> did that sound right
[05:48] <cbx33> I know
[05:48] <cbx33> father packager
[05:49] <jsgotangco> at least its not the mother packer
[05:49] <cbx33> hehe
[05:59] <RobinShepheard> hello all
[06:10] <bddebian> Hello RobinShepheard
[06:10] <RobinShepheard> greetings again bddebian
[06:17] <RobinShepheard> LaserJock: Greetings
[06:17] <LaserJock> hi RobinShepheard 
[06:18] <RobinShepheard> LaserJock you can claim some responsibility, I am now a member of the Edubuntu testing team
[06:18] <RobinShepheard> I took the plunge
[06:19] <LaserJock> \o/
[06:20] <RobinShepheard> now all i have to do is make myself useful :)
[06:21] <jsgotangco> go burn that CD and work!
[06:22] <bddebian> Heya LaserJock
[06:22] <LaserJock> hi bddebian 
[06:24] <RobinShepheard> jsgotangco: I have the cd burnt and I have an installation running, I am using our win2k3 boxes for dhcp though
[06:24] <RobinShepheard> oh and I now have a fully working citrix client install on the server
[06:25] <jsgotangco> RobinShepheard: i was just kidding welcome to the edubuntu family
[06:25] <RobinShepheard> jsgorangco: no problem
[06:26] <RobinShepheard> jsgotangco: doh apologies for spelling and cheers for the welcome
[06:27] <RobinShepheard> Just seen the time, speak to you all later, got to go
[06:27] <bddebian> Enjoy
[06:45] <lucasvo> the topic should be changed
[06:46] <lucasvo> Wiki: https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuWiki is better 
[06:46] <lucasvo> ogra: can you do it?
[06:46] <ogra> you can as well
[06:47] <jsgotangco> good night
[06:47] <LaserJock> ogra: hi! how's it going?
[06:48] <lucasvo> cool :)
[06:48] <ogra> lucasvo, thats the right url ?
[06:48] <lucasvo> ogra: yes
[06:48] <lucasvo> Hierher umgeleitet von Seite "Edubuntu"
[06:48] <lucasvo> there is a redirect
[06:48] <lucasvo> oh, https
[06:49] <lucasvo> it also works without
[06:49] <ogra> http works fine
[06:49] <ogra> but shouldnt we use the target instead of pushing every user through the redirect ?
[06:50] <lucasvo> well it needs less pspace
[06:50] <ogra> thats true :)
[06:50] <lucasvo> better?
[06:51] <ogra> well, i'll try to keep in mind i can shorten it there if the topic runs out of space :)
[06:51] <lucasvo> ok
[06:51] <lucasvo> I don't like long topics
[06:51] <ogra> freenode agrees with you it seems :)
[06:52] <lucasvo> http:// is needed for gnome-terminal to autodetect the url?
[07:44] <EmxBA> hi!
[07:44] <EmxBA> does anyone speak here
[07:44] <EmxBA> #ubuntu has mroe than 900 users
[07:44] <EmxBA> *more
[07:44] <Burgwork> EmxBA, no, we are all mute here ;)
[07:44] <Burgwork> hey HedgeMage 
[07:44] <EmxBA> Burgwork: heh
[07:44] <highvoltage> Burgwork: sssssh!!! you're going to wake them up.
[07:45] <EmxBA> we mustn't speak loudly
[07:45] <HedgeMage> hi there :)
[07:46] <HedgeMage> EmxBA: I occassionally stir... usually you have to highlight me, as Burgwork did, since I have a bajillion chans and windows to monitor
[07:46] <EmxBA> :D
[07:46] <bddebian> *yawns*  "What's all this racket"? :-)
[07:46] <EmxBA> don't joke
[07:46] <EmxBA> i want to talk seriously
[07:46] <highvoltage> bddebian: EmxBA is making noise on our precious channel
[07:46] <bddebian> Doh
[07:47] <highvoltage> EmxBA: but we'll allow you, since you seem like a decent guy
[07:47] <highvoltage> :)
[07:47] <EmxBA> highvoltage: are you on this channel because of Edubuntu or something else :D
[07:48] <highvoltage> EmxBA: Edubuntu. how can we help you?
[07:48] <LaserJock> EmxBA: oh occasionally he his here for Edubuntu, but I think he really wants Edubuntu cake :-)
[07:48] <highvoltage> LaserJock: don't give my game away like that!
[07:48] <highvoltage> so that dependency has been satisfied.
[07:48] <LaserJock> ah cool, congrats to him
[07:48] <highvoltage> now i can focus on Edubuntu.
[07:49] <highvoltage> whohoo!
[07:49] <EmxBA> highvoltagae: i am admn on skolarci.linux.org.ba
[07:49] <EmxBA> it is educational site
[07:49] <EmxBA> and has a lot of texts about linux programs and games
[07:49] <highvoltage> where's .ba?
[07:49] <EmxBA> but it is Bosnian
[07:49] <EmxBA> .ba i Bosnia
[07:49] <EmxBA> is
[07:50] <LaserJock> cool
[07:50] <EmxBA> have you visited it
[07:50] <highvoltage> i don't understand any of it, but it looks like a real nice site
[07:50] <EmxBA> it is on bosnian
[07:51] <EmxBA> i think you don't udnerstand anything
[07:51] <EmxBA> in few days i am going to translate it to english
[07:51] <EmxBA> :D
[07:51] <EmxBA> really
[07:51] <EmxBA> and i have already described Edubuntu
[07:51] <EmxBA> and Knoppix4Kids
[07:51] <highvoltage> great :)
[07:51] <LaserJock> even cooler (as a poor unilingual American)
[07:51] <EmxBA> that will be translated to English
[07:52] <highvoltage> EmxBA: after some changes to the edubuntu site, we could certainly link to your Bosnian edubuntu page.
[07:52] <highvoltage> EmxBA: can you give me a link to your edubuntu page?
[07:52] <EmxBA> ok
[07:53] <EmxBA> that's not ubunut link
[07:53] <EmxBA> that's just review of Edubuntu 5.10
[07:53] <EmxBA> :D
[07:54] <highvoltage> EmxBA: it would also be great if we could have http://www.edubuntu.org/UsingEdubuntu available in bosnian
[07:54] <EmxBA> ok
[07:54] <EmxBA> i am going to translate it 
[07:54] <EmxBA> no problems
[07:54] <highvoltage> cool :)
[07:54] <HedgeMage> oh, speaking of which...
[07:55] <highvoltage> thanks EmxBA, and welcome to Edubuntu. we'll keep some cake for you.
[07:55] <LaserJock> HedgeMage: I agree, although my latin skills suck too
[07:55] <HedgeMage> highvoltage: the drupal internationalization module finally (I think) made the improvements we'd need to put it live on Edubuntu.org  I'm testing it out on a sandbox site as we speak.
[07:56] <highvoltage> oooh! nice!
[07:56] <HedgeMage> :)
[07:56] <EmxBA> here is the link (suppose that you don't understand anything :D)
[07:56] <EmxBA> http://skolarci.linux.org.ba/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=64&Itemid=37
[07:57] <HedgeMage> highvoltage: can you give me an sql dump of the current edubuntu.org site and a copy of the theme so I can use them for testing?
[07:57] <EmxBA> i am interested in your thoughts about web design
[07:57] <EmxBA> is this ok
[07:57] <EmxBA> green colorus
[07:57] <EmxBA> *colours
[07:58] <highvoltage> HedgeMage: does it have to be a current dump, or can it be a bit older?
[07:58] <highvoltage> HedgeMage: there's a slightly outdated dump at: http://www.jonathancarter.co.za/files/edubuntu.sql
[07:59] <highvoltage> EmxBA: i think green is an acceptable colour for a website
[07:59] <HedgeMage> highvoltage: as long as you haven't installed or upgraded any modules since the dump it will be fine
[07:59] <highvoltage> EmxBA: although, you might want to stick to tango colours
[07:59] <HedgeMage> also, what modules is the site currently using?
[07:59] <highvoltage> EmxBA: http://tango-project.org/Tango_Icon_Theme_Guidelines
[07:59] <EmxBA> you mean mambo modules
[07:59] <EmxBA> ok
[07:59] <EmxBA> green is ok
[07:59] <EmxBA> but tango could be better, i really like it
[08:00] <highvoltage> HedgeMage: we've kept it low, for maintenance reasons. it's just block, search and upload we currently use
[08:01] <highvoltage> we'll expand as we get the basics sorted out more.
[08:01] <HedgeMage> highvoltage: cool
[08:01] <EmxBA> highvoltage: so all of you like the site
[08:01] <EmxBA> it wasn't just made by me, altough i did the most
[08:02] <EmxBA> it is made by support of linux.org.ba
[08:02] <highvoltage> our biggest dependency is that the server needs to send out mail so that users can register. I talked to Znarl again today, and he said he'll look at it. I'll ask him again tomorrow to see if he got any further with sorting that out.
[08:02] <EmxBA> Bosnian Linux USer Group
[08:02] <highvoltage> EmxBA: great. working with other people is always a good thing.
[08:02] <EmxBA> highvoltage: can i have some of yours IMs
[08:02] <HedgeMage> highvoltage: which method are you trying to use?
[08:02] <EmxBA> i want to chat more :D
[08:04] <EmxBA> anyone?
[08:05] <EmxBA> i use emir215@hotmail.com as account for MSN messenger, i expect you to add me
[08:05] <HedgeMage> EmxBA: best way to get ahold of me is on IRC, really
[08:05] <EmxBA> i am very serious about skolarci.linux.org.ba and edubuntu
[08:05] <EmxBA> HedgeMage, IRc is OK
[08:05] <EmxBA> but i want to use other methods of chatting too
[08:07] <HedgeMage> EmxBA: there's always jabber.
[08:07] <EmxBA> HedgeMage, Jabber is similar to GTalk
[08:07] <EmxBA> GMail
[08:07] <highvoltage> EmxBA: I have a jabber account, jonathan@jabber.org
[08:07] <EmxBA> i have exmlug@gmail.com 
[08:07] <EmxBA> is that ok
[08:08] <highvoltage> HedgeMage: i'm not following you, 'which method'?
[08:08] <HedgeMage> EmxBA: close, GTalk is rebranded jabber :) but it works
[08:08] <EmxBA> ok
[08:08] <highvoltage> EmxBA: it's great to have you with us
[08:08] <EmxBA> I added HedgeMage
[08:08] <HedgeMage> highvoltage: you can send email from drupal by smtp, php mail function, or directly using sendmail
[08:08] <EmxBA> ooups
[08:08] <EmxBA> not HedgeMage, highvoltage
[08:09] <EmxBA> add me to Jabber
[08:09] <highvoltage> HedgeMage: aaah, where do you set that?
[08:09] <HedgeMage> EmxBA: I don't use gmail/gtalk, I have my own jabber server... add me as hedgemage@jabber.binaryredneck.net
[08:09] <EmxBA> i added you too
[08:09] <HedgeMage> highvoltage: in  4.6 or 4.7?   brb
[08:10] <highvoltage> EmxBA: you can add yourself to https://launchpad.net/people/edubuntu-advocacy , if you feel ready for commitment :)
[08:10] <highvoltage> HedgeMage: 4.7
[08:10] <EmxBA> everyone: how old are you
[08:10] <EmxBA> you mean if i feel that i am ready to join Edubuntu community
[08:10] <EmxBA> officialy
[08:10] <EmxBA> :d
[08:12] <EmxBA> expect me to translate that site in few days
[08:12] <EmxBA> i'll join #edubuntu again
[08:12] <EmxBA> :D
[08:13] <highvoltage> EmxBA: great!
[08:13] <EmxBA> highvoltage, i gotta go
[08:13] <EmxBA> see ya soon
[08:14] <pygi> JaneW, poke
[08:15] <pygi> ogra, poke
[08:15] <HedgeMage> highvoltage: just a sec and I'll look, they moved a lot in 4.7
[08:15] <ogra> pygi, you just missed the bosnian edubuntu lug 
[08:15] <pygi> ogra, ah, well :)
[08:16] <pygi> ogra, would we like to get one laptop from that "one laptop per child" so we could see if software our students work out, works on them? :)
[08:16] <highvoltage> ogra: hey, i'll never say no to another enthusiastic edubuntite wanting to contribute
[08:16] <highvoltage> (even if he's a 15-year-old-one-man-lug)
[08:16] <ogra> highvoltage, i didt say anybody should have said no ...
[08:17] <highvoltage> ogra: sorry, didn't mean to imply that :)
[08:17] <ogra> pygi, i bet we'll get some of these anyway directly from the project
[08:17] <ogra> highvoltage, ;)
[08:17] <pygi> ogra, perhaps, but do we want 1 at least
[08:17] <ogra> pygi, there is something going on behind the scene with edubuntu atm.
[08:18] <pygi> ogra, oh really? so we cant know that I guess :P
[08:18] <ogra> not even i know concrete things, but there is something exciting to come through the edgy cycle
[08:18] <HedgeMage> LOL
[08:19] <pygi> nice ogra 
[08:19] <pygi> hey HedgeMage ;)
[08:19] <highvoltage> *sigh*
[08:19] <LaserJock> me to
[08:19] <pygi> suprises are nice ;)
[08:20] <highvoltage> i mean, i get impatient when 'something big is going to happen in x months'. it's like being 4 years old and waiting for Christmas again all over :)
[08:20] <HedgeMage> hi pygi 
[08:20] <highvoltage> like those extra six weeks until dapper was released.
[08:20] <pygi> highvoltage, you say there is no santa? :'(
[08:20] <LaserJock> highvoltage: except sometimes the suprises are so nice as presents
[08:21] <ogra> pygi, but probably a laptop for community testing would be nice 
[08:21] <pygi> ogra, ok, I shall try to get one or two
[08:21] <highvoltage> pygi: yes, virginia
[08:21] <ogra> sure
[08:21] <pygi> ogra, google offer :)
[08:21] <ogra> yes, saw that
[08:22] <pygi> oki, I'll send a message a lill' later today
[08:22] <pygi> in like hour or so
[08:24] <pygi> (who from the community wants laptop btw.?)
[08:24] <HedgeMage> highvoltage: Hmmm... I can't find the setting I was thinking of... either I'm remembering a tidbit from a long-past version, or I'm totally nuts.
[08:25] <highvoltage> HedgeMage: ok, np
[08:25] <highvoltage> pygi: what's this laptop you're talking about? is it x86 based?
[08:26] <HedgeMage> I'd love to get my hands on one of those to test with, and to show a couple of school districts like my mom's (poorest school district in the least-funded state in america) what is possible.
[08:26] <LaserJock> least-funded? really?
[08:28] <HedgeMage> LaserJock: yep
[08:28] <LaserJock> WA?
[08:28] <HedgeMage> LaserJock: No, illinois
[08:28] <HedgeMage> that's where I grew up
[08:29] <LaserJock> ah
[08:29] <crimsun> there are a lot of those, though, so I'm not sure the superlative is that precise. Once you reach a point, it's all just "really poor"
[08:29] <LaserJock> yeah
[08:29] <HedgeMage> crimsun: Actually, I have stats on the $/student for the past 10 years, my use of the superlative is correct.
[08:29] <crimsun> having spent a year teaching in rural NC, yeah, some portions are "really poor"
[08:29] <crimsun> HedgeMage: I'm not arguing with you.
[08:30] <crimsun> I'm saying that statistics are all and well, but really, poverty just overpowers all that
[08:30] <HedgeMage> ahh okay.
[08:30] <HedgeMage> in other words... once you get X poor, poor and poorest is kind of moot?
[08:30] <crimsun> correct
[08:32] <HedgeMage> I get where you're coming from.
[08:32] <LaserJock> HedgeMage: how does MT and NV rate?
[08:33] <highvoltage> i sometimes have a tough time explaining to people in south africa that there are poor areas in the US as well
[08:33] <crimsun> highvoltage: yeah, perception is a huge block
[08:33] <highvoltage> crimsun: where are you located?
[08:33] <HedgeMage> LaserJock: Nevada is way up there, but their numbers are skewed due to the Las Vagas area, so I don't know what a "typical" NV scool is funded like
[08:34] <crimsun> and vice versa, some USA citizens find it difficult to believe that there are poor areas in the US (?!)
[08:34] <crimsun> highvoltage: NC, USA
[08:34] <HedgeMage> LaserJock: I'd have to look at MT, I don't know it off the top of my head.
[08:34] <highvoltage> crimsun: ok, i don't know much about that area, except that it's more or less in the middle. /me wikipedias
[08:35] <LaserJock> crimsun: I think the definition of poor is somewhat interesting too
[08:35] <crimsun> LaserJock: true
[08:35] <highvoltage> well, i define 'poor' as being under-resourced
[08:35] <highvoltage> where 'rich' implies some kind of overflow
[08:35] <highvoltage> (in terms of resources)
[08:35] <LaserJock> I've lived all my life under the poverty level and I really don't have any complaints
[08:36] <LaserJock> I went to college
[08:36] <LaserJock> I'm doing ok
[08:37] <HedgeMage> LaserJock: I grew up under that level, too, but (I'm sad to say) most kids where I grew up were poorer.
[08:37] <LaserJock> highvoltage: hmm, interesting. I would think that you could never be in an "overflow" state. you will always find things to spend resources on
[08:38] <crimsun> I think [the perception of]  freedom of mobility has something to do with "poor," too
[08:38] <LaserJock> yeah, that makes sense
[08:39] <Burgwork> if you truly want poor, take a look at any native reservation in Canada or the US
[08:39] <LaserJock> heh
[08:39] <Burgwork> the conditions there are almost third world
[08:39] <highvoltage> my parents had lots of money until i was about 12. in a period of 3 months, they got divorced, lost all our money, made lots of debt, and all my pets died.
[08:39] <LaserJock> bummer
[08:39] <HedgeMage> Burgwork: Heh, that may be true in WA, MI, etc. but in IL they have money coming out of their ears.
[08:39] <highvoltage> i went from having everything to having nothing, and it took just about another 12 years to recover from that.
[08:40] <Burgwork> HedgeMage, money does not equal good quality of living
[08:40] <highvoltage> but it made me who i am, and i knwo there's nothing to be afriad of. whatever happens, i know i can recover from it, which is probably why i don't mind taking big risks.
[08:44] <HedgeMage> Burgwork: This is America... food, shelter, education, etc. can all be had for a price.
[08:44] <LaserJock> Burgwork: yeah, honestly I wish they would get rid of the reservations in the US. They only seem to hurt the people that live on them.
[08:44] <Burgwork> LaserJock, yep, but there is a serious lack of a better solutin
[08:45] <LaserJock> Burgwork: to be honest, I think just getting rid of them would be better than what they have now
[08:45] <HedgeMage> Burgwork: LaserJock there are some good points to them... some reservations (like the one in WI where my cousin studied) aren't impoverished and do manage to preserve a culture that mainstream America has all but eliminated.
[08:45] <Burgwork> yep
[08:47] <LaserJock> perhaps, I seriously doubt anything but eliminating the reservation system will work for the ones in MT, they are close to extinction, I beleive
[08:47] <Burgwork> anyway, this is a politically charged thing that we might want to avoid
[08:47] <LaserJock> ok, sure
[08:48] <Burgwork> needless to say, regardless of the future, these are groups that badly need Edubuntu
[08:48] <Burgwork> we can also help the bigger ones with language revival
[08:48] <HedgeMage> Burgwork: nice swing back on topic :)
[08:48] <Burgwork> indeed
[08:49] <LaserJock> yeah, I'd love so see Edubuntu get into the tribal colleges
[08:49] <highvoltage> wha'ts a tribal college?
[08:49] <highvoltage> is that where survivors learn to backstab? :)
[08:49] <Burgwork> HedgeMage, that would be straying back into the political side of thigns
[08:49] <LaserJock> colleges that the Native Americans set up
[08:50] <highvoltage> what i like about edubuntu, it seems destined to bacome the stage (read: standard) to bring in educational innovation, and content, etc. which means that it sets itself up to become an educational standard.
[08:51] <jjjjjjj> if i am on xubuntu now... can i upgrade or switch over to edubuntu?
[08:51] <crimsun> hmm, speaking of which, I wonder if I can work edubuntu into the curriculum
[08:51] <highvoltage> jjjjjjj: yes, you can.
[08:52] <HedgeMage> jjjjjjj: sure
[08:52] <LaserJock> crimsun: yes, do it. :-)
[08:52] <highvoltage> jjjjjjj: you can type 'sudo apt-get install edubuntu-desktop'
[08:52] <jjjjjjj> via the sudo apt-get.... got it.
[08:52] <HedgeMage> brb, TT and I are going to make egg salad :)
[08:53] <highvoltage> jjjjjjj: and it will install the edubuntu meta-pakckage. that doesn't give you schooltool and ltsp, etc. but you might not want that.
[08:53] <crimsun> LaserJock: oh it would be fairly easy here at A&T in compsci, but as for the educational curricula of elementary/middle/high school ed, that would take a lot more work
[08:53] <jjjjjjj> but if i did i can get it from the repositories?
[08:54] <LaserJock> ok, I need to do some actual work.
[08:55] <HedgeMage> highvoltage: is there any chance you can get me a copy of the edubuntu.org theme so I can see if anything needs to be added/tweaked to support the i18n module?
[08:55] <highvoltage> HedgeMage: sure
[08:57] <Burgwork> highvoltage, uhhh...
[08:57] <highvoltage> HedgeMage: http://www.jonathancarter.co.za/files/clugwiki.tar
[08:58] <highvoltage> HedgeMage: sorry, this one: http://www.jonathancarter.co.za/files/edubuntu.tar
[08:58] <HedgeMage> thanks
[09:00] <jjjjjjj> ~490kB/s  for getting edubuntu.  not too bad.
[09:01] <HedgeMage> brb again, egg salad needs my attention :)
[09:13] <bddebian> Mmm egg salad
[09:32] <lucasvo> this one is coo: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2511182815035599431
[09:32] <lucasvo> *cool
[09:34] <lucasvo> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=277241297934458807
[09:55] <LaserJock> ohhh, I love onions
[09:55] <LaserJock> and garlic too
[09:55] <highvoltage> and olives, they are quite bad too
[09:55] <LaserJock> yes, +1 for the olives nastiness
[09:56] <bddebian> NO..  Pickles and olives r t3h r0XX0r! :-)
[09:56] <lucasvo> depends on what olives
[09:58] <highvoltage> green ones, black ones, round ones... they are all quite nasty, imho
[09:58] <highvoltage> i think it's basically anything bitter that i don't like. salt, sour and sweet. those i like intensely.
[10:00] <LaserJock> yes
[10:00] <HedgeMage> LOL
[10:00] <HedgeMage> all that coding makes us hungry!
[10:01] <LaserJock> I like most of those types of things except olives and mushrooms
[10:01] <HedgeMage> LaserJock: if you don't like egg salad, what do you eat your pickles with? grilled cheese?
[10:01] <LaserJock> sure
[10:01] <LaserJock> any kind of sandwich
[10:01] <LaserJock> except maybe PB&J
[10:02] <LaserJock> I like pickles just by themselves too
[10:02] <pygi> ogra, not really sure we should request one of those laptops when some people might need it more then we do :-/
[10:02] <LaserJock> how many are they giving away?
[10:06] <highvoltage> pygi: what laptops are these you're talking about? i wouldn't request one for myself, i just want to know mor
[10:06] <highvoltage> *more
[10:06] <Burgwork> uhh, afaik, the laptop give away is over
[10:06] <lucasvo> ahh, mushrooms
[10:06] <lucasvo> they are del.icio.us
[10:06] <lucasvo> :)
[10:06] <lucasvo> uhh
[10:06] <lucasvo> Lag: 240 (??)
[10:06] <Burgwork> it happened last Aug
[10:06] <HedgeMage> grrr... we are out of pickles
[10:06] <lucasvo> HedgeMage: what pickles do you usually have?
[10:06] <HedgeMage> highvoltage: one laptop per child laptops
[10:06] <lucasvo> indian pickles?
[10:07] <highvoltage> ah
[10:07] <highvoltage> in that case, i would like one :)
[10:07] <HedgeMage> lucasvo: we usually have dill, bread and butter, and/or sweet pickles in the house
[10:07] <highvoltage> just to put edubuntu on it and make sure it works properly.
[10:07] <highvoltage> but ogra would probably be the right person for that
[10:08] <lucasvo> 22:07 -!- Irssi: Join to #edubuntu was synced in 99 secs
[10:08] <highvoltage> i'm quite convinced we can do a much better job than red hat
[10:08] <lucasvo> hm
[10:08] <lucasvo> yes
[10:08] <lucasvo> I am really disappointed that MIT chose redhat
[10:08] <Burgwork> lucasvo, for olpc?
[10:08] <lucasvo> they were probably bribed
[10:08] <lucasvo> Burgwork: yes
[10:08] <lucasvo> :)
[10:08] <highvoltage> wined and dined.
[10:08] <Burgwork> no, RH donated money and people
[10:09] <HedgeMage> highvoltage: supposedly ubuntu people are already talking to them, but ogra didn't have more info for us on it
[10:09] <lucasvo> Burgwork: canonical/TSF should have doen the same
[10:09] <Burgwork> lucasvo, probably the talks predate Ubuntu
[10:09] <lucasvo> ah
[10:10] <lucasvo> Burgwork: you mean ubuntu didn't exist/wasn't an option when they began with the project?
[10:10] <HedgeMage> I wonder, is there any plan to offer the olpc laptops for sale at some point?  I doubt my hometown area would see any since everyone seems to think all americans are rich, but if I get a good job soon and could afford it, I would buy 3 or so to start an education project there.
[10:10] <Burgwork> I would suspect so
[10:10] <Burgwork> these kind of really large projects take years to get off the ground
[10:10] <lucasvo> can one also buy them in the richest country of the world? :)
[10:10] <Burgwork> no
[10:11] <HedgeMage> lucasvo: where I come from isn't rich, trust me.
[10:11] <lucasvo> HedgeMage: I mean where I come from
[10:11] <HedgeMage> lucasvo: ahh I thought you meant the US as a whole.
[10:11] <lucasvo> I really would like to buy one
[10:11] <lucasvo> HedgeMage: I am from switzerland
[10:12] <HedgeMage> ahh, I didn't know that
[10:12] <HedgeMage> it's so hard to keep track! :)
[10:12] <lucasvo> I am american and swiss :)
[10:12] <lucasvo> you are not 100% wrong
[10:12] <lucasvo> I would even pay more than 100$ for a laptop
[10:13] <HedgeMage> ditto
[10:13] <HedgeMage> though, my current laptop was $100 that's the only reason I could afford one
[10:14] <Burgwork> my current laptop cost me $22 CAD
[10:14] <LaserJock> dang, mine was USD $850 :(
[10:14] <HedgeMage> Burgwork: good bargain!  that's a little less than mine.
[10:15] <Burgwork> it was a Canonical laptop. All I needed to buy was NA power plugs
[10:15] <HedgeMage> LaserJock: yeah, but mine was broken when I bought it.  I did discover, after purchasing it on the chance I could fix it, I found out it was still under warranty, the previous owner hadn't bothered to check.
[10:15] <lucasvo> I don't have one at all!!! :(
[10:15] <HedgeMage> LaserJock: Toshiba fixed it for me
[10:16] <LaserJock> dang I had to pay to ship my Toshiba back when it was overheating
[10:16] <lucasvo> http://mailman.laptop.org/pipermail/community-news/2006-June/000008.html
[10:17] <HedgeMage> really?  was it under warranty?
[10:17] <lucasvo> that is interesting
[10:17] <LaserJock> yes
[10:17] <LaserJock> they fixed it for free but I had to pay to ship it to them
[10:17] <LaserJock> I thought it was pretty odd
[10:18] <pygi> highvoltage, one laptop per child
[10:18] <pygi> sorry for delay in response, I have a huge ISP problems
[10:18] <HedgeMage> LaserJock: that is odd, they gave me a case number, and I brought it to a local UPS store who packed and shipped it at Toshiba's expense
[10:18] <highvoltage> pygi: that's fine.
[10:19] <LaserJock> HedgeMage: yeah, that's what I would have thought. I think it cost me $27 to ship it
[10:19] <HedgeMage> LaserJock: ick
[10:21] <highvoltage> bddebian: was bddebian2 also a god?
[10:22] <bddebian> Nah, he's an idiot too :-)
[10:22] <highvoltage> :)
[10:24] <highvoltage> what have i done! C. CatherineCapers is now mailing me with more questions! :)
[10:25] <pygi> highvoltage, ogra warned you :P
[10:25] <crimsun> sorry, that's what happens when you respond in a civil manner.
[10:25] <bddebian> Hehe
[10:25] <bddebian> Who is CatherineCapers?
[10:25] <lucasvo> highvoltage: reply with a faked server rejected email message :)
[10:26] <bddebian> haha
[10:27] <lucasvo> well olpc would be another architecture to support :)
[10:28] <highvoltage> lucasvo: that's quite evil, but an idea i'll keep for future use!
[10:37] <lucasvo> it's a geode processor, isn't it?
[11:10] <Burgwork> lucasvo, yes
[11:12] <cbx33> hey all
[11:13] <LaserJock> hi cbx33 
[11:15] <cbx33> Hi Laser_away 
[11:15] <lucasvo> hi cbx33 
[11:15] <cbx33> I mean LaserJock 
[11:15] <cbx33> hi lucasvo 
[11:15] <cbx33> my laptop refused to connect to freenode over my mobile :(
[11:15] <cbx33> connected to blitzed fine
[11:16] <lucasvo> cbx33: how much do you pay per MB?
[11:16] <cbx33> a lot
[11:17] <cbx33> .5p per Kb
[11:17] <cbx33> LaserJock, there's a small update to gISOMount
[11:17] <LaserJock> k
[11:17] <cbx33> fixed another bug
[11:17] <cbx33> a moajor one
[11:18] <cbx33> ping pygi 
[11:18] <lucasvo> that's about the same
[11:18] <lucasvo> cbx33: which bug? 
[11:18] <lucasvo> should I test something?
[11:18] <cbx33> when you had mounted multiple isos
[11:18] <cbx33> and clicked close
[11:18] <cbx33> it asks if you want to unmount them all
[11:18] <cbx33> if you say yes, it doesn;t
[11:19] <cbx33> it only unmounts the first one
[11:19] <LaserJock> doh :-)
[11:19] <cbx33> yeh it was due to a stupid return True
[11:20] <cbx33> and another return False that wasn't properly  indented
[11:20] <cbx33> but it's all fixed now
[11:20] <cbx33> LaserJock, I talked to ogra about packaging
[11:20] <LaserJock> yeah?
[11:20] <cbx33> and he mentioned about not using setup.py for the ones he's packaged
[11:20] <cbx33> just using a .install
[11:21] <cbx33> so...i dunno:S
[11:21] <LaserJock> yeah, sounds reasonable
[11:21] <cbx33> I'll take a look at that tomorrow probably
[11:21] <LaserJock> you would want to have something if you want more than Ubuntu to be able to use it
[11:21] <cbx33> using your excellent guide
[11:21] <cbx33> true
[11:22] <cbx33> I also want to talk to you about feature freeze
[11:22] <cbx33> I'd like gisomount to be available for edgy
[11:22] <cbx33> wat do you think?
[11:22] <Burgwork> cbx33, write a spec and get it approved
[11:23] <cbx33> Burgwork, you think?
[11:23] <LaserJock> naw, we don't need a spec, IMO
[11:23] <Burgwork> if you want to get it in, you need something
[11:24] <cbx33> even in Universe?
[11:24] <Burgwork> ah, by deafult
[11:24] <cbx33> It won;t get in by default
[11:24] <cbx33> it's not a good enough package
[11:24] <LaserJock> this isn't an Ubuntu specific program either
[11:24] <cbx33> true true
[11:24] <Burgwork> aim high
[11:24] <cbx33> What do you think LaserJock 
[11:24] <cbx33> Mr Co-Author
[11:25] <LaserJock> I think we should get it feature full and stable, then package it and then write a Main inclusion report if we want to
[11:25] <LaserJock> Mr Co-Author who hasn't written a single line of code :/
[11:25] <cbx33> hehe
[11:25] <LaserJock> I'm getting there
[11:25] <crimsun> err
[11:25] <crimsun> that's a much higher bar
[11:25] <cbx33> LaserJock, when do you think we should freeze?
[11:25] <crimsun> (initially)
[11:26] <crimsun> I would package it, NEW it into universe, then anastacia it into main
[11:26] <LaserJock> crimsun: enlighten us, oh, wise one
[11:26] <crimsun> (just did :)
[11:26] <LaserJock> crimsun: yeah, that's what I was thinking. Did I say it wrong?
[11:27] <crimsun> LaserJock: not wrong per se, but the phrasing seems like you guys wanted to package it directly into main
[11:27] <cbx33> anyone know why freenode timed out when i tried to connect using irssi over my mobile?
[11:27] <cbx33> crimsun, not at all :p
[11:27] <lucasvo> cbx33: I had problems with it as well
[11:27] <LaserJock> crimsun: no, I want to get it into Universe first
[11:27] <cbx33> drat
[11:27] <lucasvo> I had horrible lag and than a reconnect
[11:27] <lucasvo> cbx33: were you able to connect to other irc servers?
[11:27] <cbx33> mine never got it
[11:27] <cbx33> I got into blitzed
[11:27] <lucasvo> what time?
[11:27] <cbx33> that worked fine
[11:28] <cbx33> hmm....
[11:28] <crimsun> LaserJock: yep, that's the route I'd choose
[11:28] <cbx33> about 5-6 hours ago
[11:28] <lucasvo> oh, in that case I don' tknow
[11:28] <cbx33> he
[11:28] <cbx33> h
[11:28] <cbx33> so LaserJock when do you think we should freeze development
[11:29] <LaserJock> hehe, when it's ready ;-)
[11:29] <cbx33> yeh but could keep adding features till the cows come home
[11:29] <simp> while trying to change the permissions of a folder/file/partition i get an error saying that i don't have access to these settings. it is FAT32 partition and i'm logged in as the "admin" user(the one that is created while the installtion)
[11:29] <cbx33> we need a cut off point for the release
[11:30] <lucasvo> cbx33: no, I wouldn't do that
[11:30] <lucasvo> I would just do as much as possible in the next few weeks
[11:30] <lucasvo> and if there is no more time left for edgy begin to package it and fix bugs
[11:30] <LaserJock> cbx33: throw up the features we've got on a wiki, then give me the URL and I'll add the features I want, and then we can figure it out
[11:30] <cbx33> ok
[11:30] <cbx33> two secs
[11:30] <cbx33> I'll put it on my wiki
[11:31] <cbx33> unless you think it could go on ubuntu?
[11:31] <cbx33>  /should?
[11:32] <LaserJock> I'd rather not if we can help it since it really isn't an Ubuntu specific app
[11:32] <cbx33> ok np
[11:36] <cbx33> LaserJock, http://www.progbox.co.uk/cbx/index.php/GISOMount
[11:36] <cbx33> go crazy
[11:36] <cbx33> I gotta get some sleep, LaserJock if you could add your features, I can get started on those
[11:36] <cbx33> ;)
[11:36] <LaserJock> you shouldn't say that exactly
[11:36] <cbx33> see y'all tomorrow
[11:36] <LaserJock> cya
[11:37] <cbx33> LaserJock, totally go nutes