[12:09] There is no /var/log/installer directory on the box in question. Could it be as a consequence of the crasH maybe? [12:10] hmmm [12:10] quite possibly :/ === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #edubuntu [12:11] did you look in /var/log/messages and/or /var/log/messages.0 ? [12:13] hi Edubuntu people! [12:13] hi LaserJock [12:13] what's up [12:14] not a whole lot [12:14] I'm at the uni waiting for a meeting/dinner at 6:00 [12:15] HedgeMage: Ouch. Im going to try 6.06 LTSP again to see what happens. I looked in messages and messages.0, but they are post - install. The installed version Gimps, Firefoxes, and open offices all at once while playing a CD - looks good? [12:17] viv: Looks good [12:18] Thanks for the words of support - Its quarter past midnight here in Knysna (SA) and I am doing one last install b4 bed. Yawn! [12:18] wow, long night :) [12:18] good luck! === svivian [n=svivian@smtp.creditsolutions.com] has joined #edubuntu === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #edubuntu [12:33] question to the channel: What is the minimum hardware edubuntu will run on? [12:34] I want to build a box for my 18mo daughter, so would also appreciate opinions on whether any of the apps will be simple enough to hold her interest [12:35] hi ogra! [12:35] svivian: My son has been using Linux since he was about 1yo (this was pre-edubuntu) [12:35] She loves the computer, but is a bit random with her mouseclicks, so I don't want her on my regular box, plus the regular box is on my study desk (papers, bills etc) which she rummages through at random [12:36] svivian: a stand-alone install is recommended to have at least a 500mhz proc and 128mb ram (you can get by with a little less if you really have to since she's too young for the office suite to be of much use, same for some other heavy apps) [12:36] the live cd's seem to also have problems if you have less then 256MB RAM [12:36] svivian: heh, been there, done that [12:37] LaserJock: I think svivian was talking about an install, though, and installing with a text mode CD is fine at 128MB (since you aren't trying to run the whole darn OS from ram while installing) [12:38] The memory shouldn't be that much of an issue, but I will want to run off the liveCD initially until she is more comfortable. I'll be setting up a separate box somewhere closer to her hand-level. [12:38] HedgeMage: yeah, but I was just saying that the Ubuntu Desktop CD (livecd+installer) needs more RAM, in case he was interested ;-) [12:39] LaserJock: ahh okay [12:39] I have a 1.3GHz P4 with 256MB ram and it runs Ubuntu, Kubuntu, and Xubuntu no problem [12:40] Is it possible to set the OS up to autologin to an account I create for her, but allow me to switch users so I can do updates/install packages as needed? I want the switch to be very non-obvious so she doesn't give herself su by accident. [12:40] svivian: with my little one, I found that hiding the menu bars and just putting icons for his favorite apps (TuxPaint, TuxRacer, ktuberling, fishfillets, and Same Gnome) on the desktop worked best. [12:40] svivian: definitely [12:41] svivian: what I would do in that case, is create yourself a user during install (this one will have SU privileges) and then post-install create a very locked-down account for her, and set it to auto-log-in. You can always log her out and yourself in when needed. [12:41] svivian: that's what I did on TT's box, anyhow [12:43] HedgeMage: how old is TT? [12:43] LaserJock: he just turned 3 [12:43] Sounds like it will do what I need then. The Kubuntu boxes I have were only set up for me, so I never bothered with multiple accounts. [12:44] (btw, if no one noticed the pattern, each of those games, with the exception of Same Gnome, has fish, TT's favorite animal) [12:44] HedgeMage: so he has been using linux for 2/3 of his life? impressive :-) [12:44] LaserJock: heh, yep, and by the time he was 18 months old, he knew to walk away from windows boxen and ask to play on linux ones [12:45] rocking! [12:45] I must say I am surprised that, despite all the webpages on the subject, no one has managed to create a distro aimed specifically at a childrens' PC [12:45] conditioning at its finest. [12:45] who says we aren't evolving? [12:45] HedgeMage: I installed 6.06 full system again. Screen went black with 2 white squares just after "setting up the X-server" message on console3 (during CHROOT). On reboot it gave error 15 during grub loading...... Methinks the fact that the workstation installed despite crashing could be due to Xserver starting (or initialising) at different phases for Workstation and Full installs? [12:46] svivian: I think probably much of the difficulty is getting linux nerds to sit down and write apps kids would like :-) [12:46] svivian: there was an extensive debian-edu project at one time, it fell apart due to stupid social politics :( [12:46] LaserJock: yep. I hope to tackle that for my dissertation. [12:46] viv: or to a difference in how they automagically set up X... you need ogra for this, he's the expert I think [12:46] crimsun: dissertation? aren't you already done? [12:47] I've seen the wreckage of the Tux4kids project, and the enatux project, and the non-moving (apparently) Debian Jr [12:47] LaserJock: I'm getting a education one, so no, far from done. [12:47] an education^ [12:47] ahhh [12:47] very cool [12:47] HedgeMage: Im new to IRC. How do I get ogra's attention? [12:47] viv: he's asleep right now if he's sane. [12:48] Laserjock: there are a bunch of apps, from what I see. The thing that is missing is a slim OS, with a default desktop that mimics the old Mac Launcher [12:48] crimsun: how can you possibly find time for Ubuntu [12:48] crimsun: OK. I am insane - its 0h45 here - what time zone is he? [12:48] viv: I think he's sleeping, but in general saying his name (if he's here) will work. If your waking hours seem to differ from his, you might try posting to one of our mailing lists [12:48] viv: he's pretty active on both [12:49] LaserJock: easy. I don't have a S.O. besides this Canonical laptop, I don't sleep much, and I drink lots of coffee. [12:49] crimsun: still [12:50] I think my S.O is what keeps me sane so I guess it's good. I do wish she was more into Linux/computers though :-) [12:51] "my S.O. doesn't have a choice" [12:51] she thinks me "listening" and "talking" is more important than the Dapper release, crazy :-) [12:51] sheesh. ;) [12:52] Thanks for all the help guys. This is an excellent place for solving my problems - I'll be back in the morning to un-Bork my X, before my SO becomes my X. [12:52] lol [12:52] Another question: Best bittorrent client? [12:52] anyhow, yeah, I'm looking at tying CMU's Alice into educational "best practices", among other things [12:52] svivian: depends on what you're looking for: lightweight, or tons of features, etc ? [12:53] fairly lightweight, I should think. I've got adept open, and need a client so I can torrent the edubuntu .iso [12:53] rtorrent is pretty light, I think [12:53] LaserJock: http://www.alice.org/whatIsAlice.htm if you're piqued [12:54] crimsun: ah, I was going to ask [12:56] crimsun: interesting. I have somewhat of a teaching bent, as in teaching at the college/uni level [12:58] teachers rarely receive the respect they{,we} deserve [12:59] oh yeah [12:59] I don't think I'm terribly great with little kids, but I do enjoy teaching science [01:01] using computer technology in science education is an interesting subject [01:02] some of the college chemistry textbook people are starting to do more [01:03] but most of the time they don't know what they are doing and also use expensive proprietary software [01:03] I never would have "gotten" chem if I didn't have 3D models === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #edubuntu [01:04] exactly, and good luck trying to explain quantum mechanics in a chemistry sense [01:05] hehe [01:06] IMO from a physics standpoint it isn't to bad because you just do it mathematically === bddebian [n=bdefrees@71.224.172.103] has joined #edubuntu [01:07] and drown you students in derivations === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #edubuntu [01:07] but to do it chemically, which is much more physical/concrete in nature, takes a combination of math and graphical approaches [01:07] yep, I was going to say that it's all the same from a mathematical perspective, but I have to keep reminding myself people don't necessarily "think mathematically" [01:08] Howdy [01:08] Heya LaserJock, crimsun [01:09] yeah, I find QM very hard to understand from a purely mathematical perspective because you really can't go beyond Hydrogen atoms without a fair amount of chemical intuition and a physical picture [01:09] hi bddebian [01:09] 'lo bddebian === HedgeMage hello bddebian [01:11] Hello HedgeMage === Sergi0 [n=serge@ip227-28-166-62.adsl.versatel.nl] has joined #edubuntu [01:14] crimsun: I did see this cool java app once where you could put a virtual circuit board together [01:15] and when you turned on the power it showed the electron flow, etc. [01:20] :) [01:21] LaserJock: yeah, we have some like that in the engineering labs [01:21] too bad they're all matlab- and java-based [01:21] yeah [01:22] I'd like to work on python based apps like that [01:22] I think it would be cool to have a "Chemistry Professor's Toolbox" with lots of cool little python apps that people can grab === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #edubuntu === jinty [n=jinty@242.Red-83-49-54.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #edubuntu === JaneW [n=JaneW@dsl-146-167-152.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu === Sergi0 [n=serge@ip227-28-166-62.adsl.versatel.nl] has joined #edubuntu === irvin [n=irvin@ubuntu/member/irvin] has joined #edubuntu === bimberi [n=bimberi@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.bimberi] has joined #edubuntu === irvin [n=irvin@ubuntu/member/irvin] has joined #edubuntu === mhz [n=mhz@moinmoin/fan/mhz] has joined #edubuntu [02:46] neurogeek: ping [02:48] mhz, hello!! === LaserJock is now known as Laser_away [02:49] neurogeek: como le baila? [02:49] mhz, lol.. muy bien.. demasiado trabajo! [02:50] neurogeek: en tu "independencia"? [02:53] mhz, sips.. miles de reuniones.. proyectos varios.. pero todava nadie paga.. jeje === HedgeMage wonders what language that is, but is willing to bet it's a Romance language. [02:55] neurogeek: yup, been there, tooooo maaaaany times [02:55] neurogeek: just like my ex wife used to say: "now, let's turn the clapping in cash to pay for food, bills and school :D [02:55] mhz, what about you? how are things going?? [02:55] lol.. so true === mhz is listening to IronMaiden-Fear of the Dark, so everything is cool ;) [02:56] neurogeek: FET is coming to life the 20th and 21st of June [02:58] mhz, excellent.. Congratulations [02:58] neurogeek: wanna see the poster? [02:59] mhz, of course [02:59] neurogeek: aceptas filetes via xchat? [03:00] mhz, no creo que pase.. mail perhaps? [03:00] neurogeek: okis [03:00] dispare [03:00] me at neurogeek.org.ve === mhz opening evo [03:05] neurogeek: noc, noc, follow the white rabbit [03:05] searching... [03:07] mhz, not here yet [03:07] neurogeek: I do accept suggestions and feedback === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #edubuntu [03:18] neurogeek: got it? === mhz is now known as mhz_rebooting [03:22] good morning [03:26] mhz_rebooting, nope. not yet.. === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #edubuntu === th1a [n=hoffman@pool-70-20-0-106.prov.east.verizon.net] has joined #edubuntu === ric3125 [n=ric3125@c-67-188-54-96.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #edubuntu [05:11] Hello I want to use edubuntu for my 4 year old, using Gcompris. I got ebubuntu 6.06 running but all I see is a Gcompris admin tab. [05:11] ric3125: applications --> games [05:12] ric3125: that should list gcompirs [05:13] Yes but it is Admin When I click it there is no trees or profiles [05:18] I got Gcompris open. There is Classes/users Groups Profiles and Boards. I have clicked everything and have got nothing going. [05:18] ric3125: there are two menu entires [05:18] Gcompris Admin and Gcompris itself [05:20] Applications->Games->Educational Suite Gcompris [05:21] (with the yellow plane icon) [05:21] I feel real dumb. thanks for your help.l [05:22] no problem =) [05:22] thanks for installing as well =) [05:22] we should move that admin icon somewhere [05:23] accessories? [05:26] doesn't fit well but its more logical than creating a new folder entry just for one admin tool [05:27] yep === C-O-L-T [n=cerebell@193.231.163.10] has joined #edubuntu [05:27] not really an admin tool, either [05:27] i reckon change name to "Gcompris Educational Suite" ? [05:28] then they're next to each other and the usage is evident [05:29] yes that will also work [05:29] i can't get "GCompris Administration" to do anything :| [05:29] but haven't rtfm'd :P [05:30] its basically a profile maker [05:30] but we all know gcompris has a mind of its own [05:30] it's becoming apparent [05:33] gcompris is a great app, but it is also trying to be a platform [05:37] its actually trying to take over my computer :/ [05:38] all it wants you to do is understand [05:39] and if you don't, it obiviously needs to educate you ;) === sankarshan [n=sankarsh@nat-pool-bos.redhat.com] has joined #edubuntu [07:13] ogra: ping? [07:14] anybody here have java working in firefox? [07:15] have you downloaded sun-java5-plugin? [07:15] nope, didn't know there was another package... I have sun-java5-bin === HedgeMage fires up synaptic [07:15] this is so much easier on gentoo... [07:17] hmm seems I already do have it [07:20] WTF?!?! [07:20] I didn't change anything, but I opened firefox again to check a setting, and it works === HedgeMage strangles java [07:21] at least it works [07:21] jsgotangco: you must have frightened it into behaving for me :P [07:21] lol === highvoltage [n=jono@ubuntu/member/highvoltage] has joined #edubuntu === mode/#edubuntu [+o highvoltage] by ChanServ === shankr [n=shanat@59.92.116.100] has joined #edubuntu === shankr [n=shanat@59.92.116.100] has left #edubuntu ["Leaving"] === bimberi_ [n=bimberi@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.bimberi] has joined #edubuntu === cbx33 [n=c2df514b@209.152.164.93] has joined #edubuntu [08:59] mornin all [08:59] phew what a busy weekend [08:59] decorating :S [09:02] hey cbx33. hope you enjoyed it :) [09:02] highvoltage: hmmm [09:02] I'm shattered, didn't finish painting till 4am on sat [09:03] did I miss anything here? [09:03] highvoltage: I wanted to ask what phone do you use that you use IRC on [09:04] cbx33: i don't use irc on the phone directly, i connect laptop to cell and then run irssi on laptop [09:04] but it's a moto v3, btw === jjjjjjj [n=jdumont@64.46.3.83.novuscom.net] has joined #edubuntu [09:04] helomoto! === Amaranth [n=amaranth@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #edubuntu === jimjimovich2 [n=jimjimov@gate.spcu.atlant.ru] has joined #edubuntu [09:06] i'm lying, i connect through a moto v360. the v3 is my 'voice' phone :) [09:07] the v360 has edge, so it has lower latency [09:07] hello everyone [09:07] i had a quick question [09:07] we installed a new edubuntu dapper server on Friday [09:07] setting up a student computer lab [09:08] congrats [09:08] how can i remove the option to "sleep" (or hibernate, i forget what it's called) from a "Desktop" user's options when logging out? [09:09] I accidentally put the server to sleep with this option (from a thin client) ... and I don't think it should be an option for students [09:09] i'd actually like to remove all options except for "log out" [09:10] highvoltage: what phones work well with linux [09:10] from that point of view [09:11] cbx33: i haven't really seen a phone that doesn't work well with linux. probably depends what you want to do [09:11] how do you connect USB? [09:11] both my moto's i can just plug in and dial up (via USB), or set up a bluetooth connection and dial [09:11] hmmm [09:11] I have a V220 [09:11] think that could work? === highvoltage tries to figure out which phone that is [09:12] motorola V220 [09:12] :p [09:12] my phones has a standard usb connector at the sides, which makes it very wasy [09:12] is there a site that shows you which work where ? === cbx33 too [09:13] it has gprs: http://www.mobile-phones-uk.org.uk/motorola-v220.htm [09:13] :D [09:13] so you should be able to just buy a cable for that phone and plug it into your pc [09:14] doesn't seem to have bluetooth though [09:14] i don;t need bluetooth [09:14] :p [09:14] I'll use a cable [09:14] where can i submit Edubuntu bugs? [09:15] jimjimovich2: i think it's in gconf, hang on [09:15] launchpad.net [09:15] Amaranth: thanks [09:15] is the option still there jimjim if power management is turned off in the bios? [09:16] jimjimovich2: /apps/gnome-power-manager/can_hibernate and /apps/gnome-power-manager/can_suspend [09:16] good questioni [09:16] jimjimovich2: not sure how to set those off by default though === MagnusGoldstein [n=Bruce@ppp831.adelaide.on.net.au] has joined #edubuntu [09:17] i seems very odd to me, because shutdown and restart are not options [09:17] but hibernate is [09:17] jimjimovich2: http://www.gnome.org/learn/admin-guide/2.14/gconf-7.html [09:17] what about this? [09:17] http://www.gnome.org/learn/users-guide/2.8/ch11s16.html [09:17] jimjimovich2: very late in the dapper cycle the logout dialog was changed to use gnome-power-manager [09:18] um... high peeps... I was wondering if anyone knew of any edubuntu graphics that one could legally use in a free edubuntu handbook [09:18] sort of to wave the flag [09:19] MagnusGoldstein: oooh a free handbook [09:19] Amaranth and jjjjj: thanks for the tips [09:20] well, it's for an education assignment, but I want to go on with it afterward and publish a more polished version on the web [09:20] cbx33: i use a Sony Erisscson [09:20] magnus... have you heard of lulu.com? [09:20] nope [09:20] MagnusGoldstein: http://www.edubuntu.org/UsingEdubuntu [09:20] http://www.lulu.com [09:20] new to me [09:21] MagnusGoldstein: you can use content from there if you need it [09:21] that's going to be a printed booklet soon [09:21] cool [09:21] the handbook I'm writing is for teachers [09:22] will have references to pedagogic theory and suggestions for activities/exercises [09:22] jimjim... can i ask how you are booting the thin clients? [09:22] will also have links to some curriculum documents [09:22] jjjjjjj: PXE [09:22] unrelated to your question but i am beginning a thin client project. [09:22] jjjjjjj: PXE rawks :p [09:23] jjjjjjj: we got new network cards for our old machines. about $30 each [09:23] with pxe built in or did you have to chip em? [09:23] jjjjjjj: with PXE built in [09:23] we were lucky most of ours had PXE built in [09:23] we run a dual boot system now [09:23] jjjjjjj: our newer machines have pxe built in too [09:24] right [09:24] windows and linux over PXE [09:24] the windows isn't over PXE [09:25] cbx33: you couldn't use a windows server and rdesktop? [09:25] or was it just cheaper to dual boot? [09:25] could do...but din't [09:25] the server would make it so you could stay in linux and just have windows in a window :) [09:25] well yes [09:25] but that would confuse the kids :p [09:25] as I work at a school [09:26] my xp box is becoming more and more like a terminal server. :P [09:26] hehe [09:26] just peek in now and then [09:26] and you'd need a monster server to run that many windows sessions [09:26] indeed [09:26] we had 9 clients running off a dell D600 laptop [09:26] :D [09:26] it's looking like we're going to need to get some new thin clients. [09:26] everything works great with newer machines. but our old machines are being a real pain [09:27] there's a hack to have multiple sessions logged into a single xp machine. [09:27] brb [09:27] jjjjjjj: it's also probably illegal [09:27] ya. [09:27] is it better to just get cheap celeron machines or does anyone know of some good thin clients? [09:28] jjjjjjj: we're just getting rid of windows all together (well, that's a long term goal) [09:28] jjjjjjj: thanks for the link to lulu.com - looks interesting [09:29] to be honest, i came on the nix bandwagon when i heard of vista's sheer hardware requirements. it will only seperate the chasm between the haves and have nots. [09:30] jimjimovich2: I would imagine some used whitebox celerons would be easier to come by (and possibly cheaper) than a real thin-client machine. [09:30] But that's just a guess. [09:31] Amaranth: we're in russia. and most thin clients we've seen are expensive [09:31] Amaranth: but we can build new celeron machines for about $180 [09:33] i guess go with that then === yvesC [n=yves@zenobi.ycombe.net] has joined #edubuntu [09:33] have you looked at the asus barebones with an onboardprocessor? [09:33] http://usa.asus.com/products4.aspx?l1=1&l2=2&l3=0&model=402&modelmenu=1 === pygi [n=pygi@83-131-251-243.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu [09:37] they are about 155cdn here in canada. [09:37] interesting [09:41] jjjjjjj: a quick search doesn't find any of those models in russia [09:41] bummer === BugMaN [n=BugMaN@nat.cabi.uniroma1.it] has joined #edubuntu [09:45] hmm [09:45] we'll probably just build some basic systems, if we can get the money [09:46] many macs in russia? [09:46] i do believe there is a powerpc download for edubuntu no? [09:47] yes [09:49] jjjjjjj: not many macs. [09:49] jjjjjjj: but my boss is yelling in the other room about how he can't wait for his macbook :) [09:50] my wife has one from school. i hate to see it go during summer holidays or if she leaves the school. ibook g4 [09:51] jjjjjjj: yes, i'm using a mac mini right now. hope to get macbook this summer [09:51] jjjjjjj: but besides that, it's all ubuntu [09:52] good luck everyone. i have to get some sleep but I was a pig and ate a big chocolate bar not long ago and will pay dearly trying to sleep. [09:53] i used to come here now and then but there was nobody replying. maybe time to refocus on the thin client project. === jjjjjjj [n=jdumont@64.46.3.83.novuscom.net] has left #edubuntu [] [09:57] if anyone has a contribution for the next edubuntu newsletter, please start writing your tidbits we're also including it in the Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter [09:57] jsgotangco: in the wiki page? === jinty [n=jinty@242.Red-83-49-54.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #edubuntu === MagnusGoldstein [n=Bruce@ppp831.adelaide.on.net.au] has left #edubuntu ["Leaving"] [10:13] hi all [10:13] jsgotangco: how do i setup a modem for my mobile phone [10:13] I have the lead [10:13] and it's all plugged in [10:13] got a handy how to? [10:25] :( - I don;t think my mobile company support GPRS email/web [10:25] only WAP === jjjjjjj [n=jdumont@64.46.3.83.novuscom.net] has joined #edubuntu === jjjjjjj [n=jdumont@64.46.3.83.novuscom.net] has left #edubuntu [] === P3L|C4N0 [n=sopmac@200.106.95.91] has joined #edubuntu [10:52] ok I get Carrier detected, waiting for prompt [10:52] but nothing happens [11:05] :D [11:05] I got it working [11:05] not sure how but woooooooo === highvoltage [n=jono@ubuntu/member/highvoltage] has joined #edubuntu === mode/#edubuntu [+o highvoltage] by ChanServ [11:41] hey highvoltage [11:41] I got it working [11:41] I can dial out over my mobile [11:41] nice [11:41] I want to fine somewhere where I can get really cheap calls [11:41] right now it's costing me .5p per K [11:42] .5p, or .05p? [11:42] .5p [11:42] wow. that's very expensive. [11:42] yeh [11:42] :( [11:43] oh sorry, i read that as .5 pounds :) [11:43] over here it's R2 per MB. which comes down to about 20p per MB [11:43] WOW [11:43] That is cheap [11:45] you can buy 100MB data bundles for R100. then it costs about 10p per MB [11:48] :( [11:48] I can't find anyone who has rates as good as that [11:48] :'( === Rondom [n=Rondom@mrbg-d9b964e1.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #edubuntu [11:51] when you buy a 1GB package, the price goes down to R0.60 per MB :) [11:51] http://www.vodacom.co.za/pkgcr.do?action=getpkgsgroups&pkgTypeId=8&pkgGroupId=17&packageId=152 [11:55] man UK sux for GPRS/3G netaccess [11:57] last time i were in UK gprs was cheaper there, i think [12:01] the cheapest ive experienced was that with korea [12:08] highvoltage: do you remember what company? [12:10] cbx33: vodafone. [12:13] do you know if that was conract or pay as you go [12:14] Data usage (per MB) 2.35 [12:14] that's pretty cheap === pygi [n=pygi@83-131-249-248.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu [12:15] .2p [12:15] pay as you go. i bough a cheapie phone on cheapest package for 25 pounds :) [12:16] well i think it works out at about .2p per K [12:16] which is half the price of my current provider [12:17] WAP over GPRS:Vodafone live! pages 0.1p per KB / Non live! pages 0.73p per KB [12:17] i thought most vodaphone providers worldwide now charge per 5minute usage [12:18] in south africa, we have lots of competition between mobile operators for data, since our landline bandwidth is so expensive. so more and more people are using mobile data. [12:18] wow [12:18] yeah in some areas, wireless is cheaper [12:18] .73p per K on PAYG [12:19] .2 if you're on monthly [12:27] hey cbx33 jsgotangco highvoltage [12:27] hey pygi [12:29] hi pygi === yvesC [n=yves@zenobi.ycombe.net] has joined #edubuntu === kholerabb1 [n=me@dsl-220-235-66-169.qld.westnet.com.au] has joined #edubuntu [12:54] ogra: did you reply to Robert Arkiletian about the F1 Teachertool from K12-LTSP? [12:54] highvoltage, the one with the awful ui ? [12:54] did he mail you as well ? [12:55] ogra: he included me in the mail he sent to you. [12:55] oh, ok [12:55] ogra: i was just wondering whether i need to respond to him or not [12:55] its the 10th (or more) mail i get from him [12:55] geez [12:55] i answered several moths back already [12:56] have you responded to one of them? if so, then i'm satisfied marking this message as read and storing it in archive [12:56] ok, great. [12:56] Hello, dose anyone know if there is a language-learning app that can be used in ubuntu? [12:56] and i dont wear my diplomatic hat today, afetr a whole weekend of being bombed with rants from this CatherineCapers woman [12:57] kholerabb1, look at kvoctrain [12:57] k [12:57] and kverbos i think [12:57] i couldn't fine a CatherineCapers page [12:57] s/fine/find [12:57] but you saw the mail JaneW forwarded ? [12:58] she's mailing us personally since months ... [12:58] sending random rants why ubuntu ltsp is bad === JaneW has given up trying to respond [12:58] and doesnt accept any eplanation or any no [12:58] ah, just got it. looking at it now... [12:58] she mails mark etc too [12:58] *explanation [12:58] cbx33, poke [12:59] i want to respond [12:59] JaneW, ogra , o joy :-/ [12:59] ogra, how am I supposed to add myself here when it's locked? :) [12:59] https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuMeetingAgenda [12:59] i have some kind of a evil joy in working with difficult customers [01:00] (some might even call it a talent) [01:00] highvoltage, apparently she now found out that we dont default to etherboot, i already pointed her to the docs etc [01:01] but she keeps annoying the ltsp.org people, disklessworstations.com and JaneW and me and doesnt accept that we have taken a decision for a default and wont default to the other... the mail JaneW forwarded is very calm, i have some really weird ones from this weekend from her [01:01] so be careful if you answer, wo might never get her off your back then === Bluekuja [n=bluekuja@ubuntu/member/bluekuja] has joined #edubuntu [01:02] s/wo/you/ [01:02] hey Andrea ;) [01:03] pygi: hey === kholerabb1 [n=me@dsl-220-235-66-169.qld.westnet.com.au] has left #edubuntu [] [01:03] ogra: i think i can deal with her. i've worked with worse :) [01:03] cbx33, why is that edubuntu page locked for me? :P [01:04] I don;t know [01:04] lemme have a look [01:04] highvoltage: go get her! 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