=== toma is now known as toma_ === toma_ is now known as toma === toma [n=toma@ip20.inbel.kovoks.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:47] bye === marseillai [n=mars_@AMarseille-256-1-15-22.w86-219.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel === bddebian [n=bdefrees@71.224.172.103] has joined #kubuntu-devel === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:08] Howdy [01:10] hye bddebian [01:10] Hello nixternal [01:11] i have been trying to setup raid0 on my system for hours...and i think i finally figured out how to do it [01:11] as a matter of fact..i know i did [01:11] just that /boot and [01:11] OMG>..the power just flickered and the system went down @# [01:11] LOL === claydoh [n=clay@bb-66-63-100-239.gwi.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === _czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-055-178.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === chavo [n=chavo@68-235-253-154.atlsfl.adelphia.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === yuriy_ [n=yuriy@207-172-219-193.c3-0.frm-ubr3.sbo-frm.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === yuriy__ [n=yuriy@207-172-219-193.c3-0.frm-ubr3.sbo-frm.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === MidMark [n=marco@host-84-221-197-20.cust-adsl.tiscali.it] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Konversation] === yuriy_ [n=yuriy@207-172-219-193.c3-0.frm-ubr3.sbo-frm.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === yuriy___ [n=yuriy@207-172-219-193.c3-0.frm-ubr3.sbo-frm.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === nixternal [n=nixterna@71.194.189.213] has joined #kubuntu-devel === kubuntutaotao [n=kubuntut@60.26.173.69] has joined #kubuntu-devel === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #kubuntu-devel === yuriy_ [n=yuriy@207-172-219-193.c3-0.frm-ubr3.sbo-frm.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying|away [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #kubuntu-devel === hendry [n=hendry@222.106.128.78] has left #kubuntu-devel [] === \sh [n=shermann@xdsl-81-173-249-156.netcologne.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel === abattoir [n=abattoir@59.92.84.215] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying-g4 [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:58] freeflying-g4: nice work :) is the kopete-3.5.2.deb the right one? [06:59] Hobbsee ya [06:59] gotcha. === Hobbsee expected it to be kopete-0.12 or something [07:00] Hobbsee it was, but I switched it to what is now [07:00] ah okay [07:00] can i ask why? [07:02] Hobbsee it will be more easier for upgrade from archive [07:02] freeflying-g4: ah, good point. [07:02] freeflying-g4: man that's slow! :P [07:02] i wonder why... [07:03] Hobbsee download spped? [07:03] s/spped/speed [07:03] freeflying-g4: about 6kbps, with a download accelerator, it's showing 36kbps... [07:04] saying it had around 20 min to complete... === chavo [n=chavo@68-235-253-154.atlsfl.adelphia.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:05] Hobbsee this sever is at HongKong, When I upload , the speed is about 100-200k/s, but only 30k/s for downloading here [07:05] ah okay... [07:05] heh - ours are the opposite - slow to upload, fast download [07:05] well, for our internet connection anyway [07:06] <\sh> wrong master slave configuration for DSL on their side ;) [07:07] freeflying-g4: that version number that you've got is very painful - it's overwritten by the kde 3.5.3 repos. [07:07] that's why i was going to version it kopete 0.12.0 [07:08] Hobbsee okey, I can upload the one you prefer [07:08] <\sh> even that would be overruled by kopete-4:3.5.2 [07:08] \sh: this is true. [07:09] it's probably worth seeing what Riddell says about it - i dont know. [07:09] but i know the kde 3.5.3 repos got bumped, so they'd overwrite all of kde 3.5.2 [07:09] <\sh> it's difficult to package a source which is standalone, but as well shipped from kde upstream [07:10] <\sh> Hobbsee: the right thing to do , for additional repositories, could be: 1. move the source as patch into kdenetwork [07:10] <\sh> 2. repackage kdenetwork-3.5.3.orig.tar.gz to provide the 0.12.0 kopete source [07:11] \sh: mmm...okay... [07:11] <\sh> 3. remove kopete from kdenetwork completly and use only kopetes standalone source [07:11] heh. i rather like that option. [07:11] that'd be easier :P [07:11] darn the many metapackages :P === freeflying|away [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:13] <\sh> well all of the 3 ways would go away, if kopete would provide their plugins as standalone package [07:13] \sh: true. [07:13] <\sh> means, kopetes main source is in kdenetwork, but the plugins are out of the standard kde kdenetwork source tree === nixternal`v2 [n=nixterna@71.194.189.213] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:14] no...wait...which bits are the plugins? [07:14] <\sh> icq, jabber, msn etc. [07:14] <\sh> all transports [07:15] <\sh> there is no difference between the plugins and the transports...they are .so files [07:15] yes.....so....that would mean that the application itself was split from the plugins? that sounds even messier [07:15] ah okay [07:16] I'm try add jingle support [07:16] <\sh> Hobbsee: no...kopete application is just a frontend for kopete_msn.{la,so} plugins ;) [07:16] \sh: right :P [07:16] wish they had the efficient theme for kopete 0.12... [07:16] \sh: those plugins are ship with kopete, even in knetwork [07:17] <\sh> freeflying|away: and that's the reason why they have to provide standalone point releases because of those [07:17] <\sh> freeflying|away: not that kopetes application source is changing, most of the time, they adjust the transport plugins to run with icq, aol, msn etc. again [07:18] <\sh> freeflying|away: and that's one thing which freaks me out...it's broken by source delivery design. [07:18] <\sh> freeflying|away: the kopete transport plugins should be removed from kdenetwork [07:18] \sh: you mean kopete will not be ship in knetwork any longer? [07:19] <\sh> freeflying|away: I didn't say that [07:19] \sh: :) [07:19] Hobbsee: kopete_0.12.0-0ubuntu1_i386.deb uploaded [07:19] freeflying|away: cool :) [07:20] <\sh> freeflying|away: I said, kulow should remove kopetes plugins from kdenetwork, but the application frontend should be in kdenetwork. so kopete upstream can release plugin point releases for their transport plugins [07:20] \sh: I see [07:20] <\sh> freeflying|away: means, we have kopete_4:3.5.2-0ubuntu1_i386.deb and kopete-plugins-0.12.0 ;) [07:24] <\sh> freeflying|away: if you read the release notes of the 0.12 development, you'll see many fixes for the transport plugins...but less fixes on the main application. those changes on the main application you can easily export as patch but the fixes on the plugins are a pain [07:25] \sh: maybe we can split it into kopete and kopete-plugins [07:25] <\sh> freeflying|away: you still have the source in kdenetwork ;) [07:26] <\sh> freeflying|away: there must be a source split [07:26] \sh: anyway, it will be consonant with debian's policy more [07:27] <\sh> freeflying|away: sure, but you won't solve the actual problem of having kopete updated [07:27] \sh: true [07:29] freeflying|away: oops. i'd forgotten that kopete 0.12 would *also* get overwritten by kdenetwork-3.5.* :P [07:29] oh well [07:30] <\sh> bump it to 4:3.5.3-0ubuntu and conflict/replace kopete with kopete-4:3.5.3-0ubuntu1 [07:30] <\sh> but this is really a bad hack [07:30] it is [07:31] <\sh> but the only smart solution for now...until we find a better solution... [07:31] \sh: how about provide a dump package [07:31] <\sh> and to be honest, I would like to see the additional repositories with -XkubuntuY versions, to show that they are really adds and not officially supported [07:32] -XkubuntuY will be nice [07:32] <\sh> freeflying|away: Czessi is doing this for kubuntu.de repos [07:33] \sh: -XkubuntuY ? [07:33] <\sh> freeflying|away: yes [07:34] <\sh> freeflying|away: http://packages.czessi.net/dapper_complete.php?i18n=en [07:40] <\sh> did anyone worked on kbilliard? [07:40] <\sh> http://www.hostnotfound.it/kbilliards.php [07:40] <\sh> if not, I'm packaging it right now :) [07:42] \sh: go for it :) [07:42] \sh: you rotter.... === Hobbsee doesnt want that packaged. [07:42] <\sh> rotter? === Hobbsee will simply *have* to test it out :P [07:43] \sh: um....rotten person? horrible person? i dont know - that sort of idea === Hobbsee will then waste a *lot* of time playing it :P [07:43] <\sh> Hobbsee: oh I see, that was my plan ;) [07:43] \sh: hehe. your very evil plan... [07:44] guess that means that i cant boss everyone around :P [07:44] <\sh> Hobbsee: no one can boss me around...ok my son he can do that...;) [07:44] hehe [07:45] <\sh> kbilliards-0.8.7/kbilliards_SuSE.spec how evil [07:46] hehe [07:46] Hobbsee: tested? [07:46] freeflying|away: yeah, seems to work okay :) [07:47] Hobbsee: if it can support jingle, will be more nicer :) [07:47] freeflying|away: that is true. havent tested it much === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:48] <\sh> freeflying|away: what was the replacement of qlist in qt3? === Quintok [n=quintok@ppp19-6.lns2.syd7.internode.on.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:49] \sh: I don't know :P [08:53] <\sh> looks like qlist was replaced in qt3 with qvaluelist [08:59] Riddell: hi? [09:10] <\sh> does anyone know, if suse/novell is patching their qt3 to support still qlist? === abattoir_ [n=abattoir@59.92.52.178] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:17] <\sh> oh yes [09:17] <\sh> fun [09:17] <\sh> novell is still using compat mode in qt3 === kameron [n=kameron@S0106000129f5b884.cc.shawcable.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:20] <\sh> Hobbsee: kbilliards fixed ;) [09:21] \sh: yay! [09:22] <\sh> s/QList/QPtrList/ [09:23] lol...i just downloaded kbilliards === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:26] <\sh> fait a few minutes :) [09:27] and update? [09:27] woo...can't wait [09:27] <\sh> no...I'll provide a pakcage for dapper [09:28] a kangaroo must have hijacked Hobbsee's internet === jdong_ [n=jdong@d149-67-101-201.try.wideopenwest.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:28] are you here to stay this time Hobbsee? [09:28] nixtErnal`: no idea, i'm not sure why i'm timing out - my other network is okay... [09:28] hehe [09:29] hmmm... [09:29] [17:28] [Notice] -NickServ- Last Seen Quit Msg: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:29] i said you probably had a kangaroo hijack your internet [09:29] ;) [09:30] hehe! [09:33] nooo!!! === pygi [n=pygi@83-131-251-243.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:34] pygi: good morning ;) [09:35] abattoir, mornin' ;) [09:35] how are you? [09:35] fine, going through the bzr docs :P ' === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:36] abattoir, which one? There is no much doc existing as far as I know [09:36] the 'Quick Start Tutorial' on the site [09:36] i guess its enough for starters... [09:37] havent used rev. cont. sys. much :( [09:37] <\sh> oh joy [09:37] ah :-/ [09:37] <\sh> /bin/sh ../../admin/mkinstalldirs /usr/share/apps/kbilliards/sound/ [09:37] <\sh> mkdir -p -- /usr/share/apps/kbilliards/sound/ [09:38] pygi: no big deal :) [09:38] \sh, joyful today? :) [09:38] abattoir, what you need bzr anyway for? [09:39] heh, just a simple branch from Kamion's site, then have to rsync to a site Riddell kindly provided.... [09:39] ah, oki :) [09:40] Riddell seems 'uncatchable though ;) [09:40] *'uncatchable' [09:41] abattoir: it's not even 9am there [09:41] Hobbsee: I know, i meant messages i sent yesterday :) [09:41] oh [09:41] abattoir, you'll catch him eventually ;) [09:42] pygi: else he'll catch me... and deal w/ me :D [09:42] pygi: the former is the better option ;) [09:55] <\sh> ok...kbilliards source is totally fcked [09:56] <\sh> it installs without destdir support, but refuses to recreate autofoo magic....which means, it does recreate all files, but then some includes are not known anymore...he has to fix this shit first [10:30] <\sh> Hobbsee: want to try kbilliards? [10:31] \sh: ask me tomorrow...not right before work :P [10:31] <\sh> Hobbsee: I used another approach to package it :) works :) [10:31] :) [10:38] <\sh> Hobbsee: http://linux.blogweb.de/archives/212-Packaged-kbilliards.html === Hobbsee runs around crazily [10:38] <\sh> come get some, honey ;) [10:39] now that just sounds bad :P [10:39] g'nite everyone [10:39] <\sh> Hobbsee: that was duke nukem 3d slang ;) [10:39] i see... [10:40] <\sh> Hobbsee: please try them...and the others please do [10:40] \sh: my boss will eat you...or me...or both, if i do... [10:40] bye all [10:41] <\sh> cu Hobbsee have a nice day ;) [10:41] night. will od :P [10:41] <\sh> meanwhile .. playing billiard [10:41] <\sh> oh and no desktop file...I have to work on this package... === OculusAquilae [n=oculus@pD950918A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === imbrandon_ [n=brandon@ubuntu/member/imbrandon] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:08] morning everyone [11:16] abattoir: catch me [11:16] mornfall: hi [11:16] nm === pascalFR [n=pascal@cha92-7-82-230-174-61.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:19] is the lack of a box round the username and password field in 353 kdm intentional? [11:20] seaLne: I suspect it's to better conform to GDM spec [11:20] we probably need to explicitly add a border now or something [11:20] but it is intentional then [11:21] I've not asked, but I suspect so [11:22] ossi says it is intentional [11:25] <_Sime_|AFK> Riddell: Hi, are there any plans for a good backup application for dapper+1? === _Sime_|AFK is now known as _Sime_ [11:31] worryingly in adept a search for backup (kde progs) only returns kdat [11:31] strangely any suite shows konserve which looks interesting [11:32] and keep [11:33] <_Sime_> I'm more interested in a fast and easy way of shoveling data on to CDR for backup. [11:33] tags, tags [11:34] _Sime_: let me know what you find, i should really setup my parents machine to backup [11:34] mornfall: yeah wasn't a dig at you, so do those just not mention kde? [11:35] <_Sime_> seaLne: I've got some program (forget the name) set up to do automatic backups to a 2nd HDD. But I miss a program for burning backups to media. [11:36] yeah i guess a simple thing would be simply sticking another hard disk in, their machine dosen't actually have a cdr anyway atm === Czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-028-167.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:55] seaLne: no, the packages are missing suite::kde tags === Quintok [n=quintok@ppp19-6.lns2.syd7.internode.on.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:01] _Sime_: keep is our backup program so far, JRe wrote it [12:01] <_Sime_> Riddell: does it do backups to CDR? [12:01] it's for rsyncing to a remote place though more than burning to CDs [12:04] <_Sime_> Riddell: I've got a project here that I started last year (before getting sidetracked), and it is aimed purely at backing up dirs to CDR/DVD using K3B. === jpatrick [n=patrick@ubuntu/member/jpatrick] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:07] _Sime_: ideally that would be incorporated with Keep, it would be a shame to have two backup programmes [12:08] jr.falleri@laposte.net if you want to contact him about it [12:13] <_Sime_> Riddell: you don't know what his future plans are for Keep? [12:13] I don't === pygi [n=pygi@83-131-249-248.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:14] <_Sime_> Keep is more aimed at non-interactive backups. But I'm after CDR + DVD. [12:18] do we have Keep by default, coz I don't see it in the K-Menu... === imbrandon [n=brandon@ubuntu/member/imbrandon] has joined #kubuntu-devel === yuriy__ [n=yuriy@207-172-219-193.c3-0.frm-ubr3.sbo-frm.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === toma [n=toma@ip20.inbel.kovoks.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:24] jpatrick: yes, it's under System [12:24] found it [12:31] Riddell: if you need something packaged, I'm here [12:41] kopete i guess [12:44] three people already on it [12:44] really? who's that? [12:44] Riddell, poke [12:44] how important is this (found in KubuntuFutureIdeas) [12:44] A grub recovery tool would be nice. Use case: imagine someone reinstalls windows (or another distro) and messes the MBR. The user could use the live cd to recover grub from a GUI tool. A qt/kde front-end to grub-install should be sufficient [12:45] hobbsee, freeflying, Czessi, and maybe uniq [12:45] pygi: I'd like a guidance module to help you setup grub [12:45] jpatrick: crivvens [12:45] what? [12:46] goodness me [12:46] <_Sime_> Riddell: do you have any good use-cases for that? === apokryphos [i=[U2FsdGV@server2.polaristar.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:47] http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=crivvens [12:48] For future reference.. [12:49] Riddell: how to name kopete-0.12 [12:49] Riddell, hm,k [12:50] freeflying|away: 4:3.5.3kopete0.12.0 [12:50] I'd say [12:50] Riddell: http://www.ubuntu-zh.org/~freeflying/packages/ --< two kopete packages here [12:51] _Sime_: the one above? installing a new linux build? === imbrandon [n=brandon@ubuntu/member/imbrandon] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:51] <_Sime_> Riddell: to me that sounds more like something that should be in on a rescue CD or safe boot mode. [12:52] it would still be usable in that scenario [12:53] freeflying|away: got any sources? [12:54] Riddell: hasn't upload source packages [12:54] well I don't care about binaries :) [12:54] fyi : suse puts it on the initial boot menu of the first cd ( IE where it says "Start or Install Kubuntu ...." etc etc etc there is a "Reinstall Grub" that does it just as the d-i does it IE looks for other bootable partitions etc and installes it ) [12:55] Riddell: but I don't know which name will be better [12:56] 4:3.5.3kopete0.12.0 for version number === \sh [n=shermann@xdsl-81-173-249-156.netcologne.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:58] jpatrick: you could contact this guy and help him with his kuickshow package Marko Schulz [12:58] imbrandon: yup, it's very handy after being forced to reinstall windoze or something [12:59] \sh: do you want me to reactivate your kubuntu-team account? [01:00] <\sh> Riddell: would be nice yes thx :) [01:01] what's the problem with it? [01:02] \sh: and kubuntu-members? [01:02] <\sh> Riddell: hmm..i never was in kubuntu-members. I thought it was a new group...but yes :) [01:03] jpatrick: he e-mailed me to say he was making one but he wasn't very good, I've not seen the package you'll need to get it from him [01:03] ok [01:03] \sh: done [01:03] <\sh> Riddell: thx a lot :) [01:04] Riddell: is kde-latest linked to kde-353 ? just curious becouse i'm resetting up my local apt-mirror [01:05] <\sh> Riddell: I was wondering if it would be a better idea to version additional kubuntu packages , like the 3.5.3 update packages etc. with -XkubuntuY... [01:05] imbrandon: yes [01:05] kk [01:05] <\sh> Riddell: so we can do some really nasty things like e.g. kopete-4:3.5.3-0kubuntuX ;) [01:06] \sh: why? [01:06] i would think so incase they make it into -updates [01:06] or for bugfixes posted to kde353 [01:07] <\sh> Riddell: to have a direct split between supported and unsupported. If the packages are going into -updates we can reversion them from original sources [01:08] \sh: what would that do to the people with both repos in sources.list ? [01:08] yeah, could be sensible, although they're already named -0ubuntu0.1 [01:09] <\sh> imbrandon: the can have them all the time in their sources.list, but people don't know, that e.g. amarok 1.4 is not supported by default... === Ubugtu [n=bugbot@ubuntu/bot/ubugtu] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:12] imbrandon: kubuntu << ubuntu [01:15] <\sh> I should get up and have a shower, do some real life work and then work kbilliards package to move it to revu [01:15] kubuntu << ubuntu ?? [01:16] heh \shi get my amd64 desktop pc replacemnt today , w00t [01:16] <\sh> imbrandon: yes ubuntu is greater then kubuntu, so 0kubuntu1 will be replaced with 0ubuntu1 ;) [01:16] ahhh ok , still isnt 10000% clear on the versioning with letters invilved [01:17] involved [01:17] <\sh> imbrandon: think about ascii sorting methonds....k < u [01:17] <\sh> z > a [01:17] ah [01:19] <\sh> imbrandon: here in germany it's pfingsten, wait..what's that in english, ah Pentecost or Whitsuntide [01:19] Pentecost [01:19] i see [01:19] <\sh> konquis "leo:" rock ;) === Huahua [n=hua_@222.50.183.211] has joined #kubuntu-devel === hunger [n=tobias@p54A61457.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === yuriy_ [n=yuriy@207-172-219-193.c3-0.frm-ubr3.sbo-frm.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === yuriy___ [n=yuriy@207-172-219-193.c3-0.frm-ubr3.sbo-frm.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === _jdong [n=jdong@d149-67-101-201.try.wideopenwest.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === mdz [n=mdz@studiocity-motorola-bsr1-70-36-194-85.vnnyca.adelphia.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:16] Riddell: kopete_3.5.3kopete0.12.0-1_i386.deb is uploaded to ubuntu-zh.org [02:17] freeflying|away: any source? [02:17] Riddell: uploading [02:17] Riddell: without any patches === _jdong_ [n=jdong@d149-67-101-201.try.wideopenwest.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === kubuntutaotao [n=kubuntut@60.26.171.40] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:24] mornfall: does this site look sane to you? kubuntu.sk [02:25] guess so [02:25] the kubuntu 6.06 announcement looks like a translation [02:26] some local news (local mailing list, local mirror) [02:29] thanks, I'll add it to our local groups list [02:29] mornfall: the guy said he's considering also buying kubuntu.cz and pointing it at that site, does that seem like a sensible idea? [02:31] well, if noone wants to make a real czech site... dunnow [02:31] it's a bit weird when a .cz site is in slovak [02:33] bbiab === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:43] Riddell: hello; the bzr site(kamion's) w/ oem-config does not seem to have all the files that the oem-config package in main has. [02:44] abattoir: what's it missing? [02:44] http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/bzr/oem-config/mainline/menu/ [02:44] in the menu folder, there are lots of files missing [02:44] these are the different steps in the process [02:45] abattoir: he'll be online today, you can ask him in #ubuntu-devel [02:45] i.e, there is a separate .py, .templates and .mnu file for each process [02:45] ok, thanks :) [02:45] hi all [02:48] <\sh> re Hobbsee [02:49] <\sh> kamion was online :) [02:49] <\sh> or is still [02:51] \sh: heya. guess i could test that pool now, couldnt i.. === Hobbsee contemplates the evils of doing that. [02:51] <\sh> Hobbsee: if you like :) [02:52] \sh: if that was for me, thanks :) === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.64.118] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:07] Riddell: I just spoke w/ Kamion. [03:07] Riddell: dont know if you followed it ;) === jjesse [n=jjesse@64.186.55.234] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:08] Riddell: he seems to suggest that i work on a KDE UI while he works on a backend. [03:08] hi all [03:08] abattoir: sounds good === imbrandon [n=brandon@ubuntu/member/imbrandon] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:08] and I did indeed get my m.. nicknamed mixed up somehow [03:09] Riddell: i think it greatly reduces the work that i have to do :'( [03:10] Riddell: so i guess i stop what i'm doing and start work on a KDE UI, like ubiquity. [03:13] what are you doing? [03:14] I was modifying the wizard.py file to include an option to open a 'kde-ui', if this was called, then a separate set of *kde.py files would be called, instead of the *.py files which depended on glade. [03:14] abattoir: this way, i thought, i didnt have to mess around much w/ Kamion's code. [03:15] <\sh> abattoir: the idea of ubiquity is quite nice...so having a backend and two or more different frontends make sense === kubuntutaotao_ [n=kubuntut@60.26.177.114] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:16] \sh: indeed :) [03:19] Riddell: i'll modify the spec/wiki accordingly then. === abattoir [n=abattoir@59.92.52.178] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Konversation] === abattoir [n=abattoir@59.92.52.178] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:28] Riddell: can we get new upstream release in dapper-updates? === kubuntutaotao_ [n=kubuntut@60.26.177.114] has joined #kubuntu-devel === yuriy_ [n=yuriy@207-172-219-193.c3-0.frm-ubr3.sbo-frm.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:31] freeflying: not usually no [03:32] Riddell: [03:32] The changes since last stable version 1.4.4 are: [03:32] Fixed: crash issue when deleting helper properties [03:32] Improved: implement session management support to save user config when logout from session [03:32] Fixed: compilation with qt 3.3.6 [03:32] Updated: Korean translation [03:32] Riddell: the latest skim [03:33] hmm, I don't remember any problems compiling with qt 3.3.6 [03:33] the crash could be backported [03:33] crash fix :) [03:33] <\sh> hehe [03:34] so we'd update? :) [03:36] no, the fix would need to be backported to the current version === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #kubuntu-devel === pygi [n=pygi@83-131-245-48.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #kubuntu-devel === OdyX [n=Didier@80.33.64.8] has joined #kubuntu-devel === \sh__ [n=shermann@xdsl-81-173-254-255.netcologne.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === poningru [n=poningru@ip24-250-225-41.ga.at.cox.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === \sh__ is now known as \sh === bddebian [n=bdefrees@mail.ottens.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:01] <\sh> Riddell: automounting in 3.5.3..is it just a config option, or a bug? I reverted back to 3.5.2 and it worked again [04:02] Morning folks [04:02] \sh: what's the problem? [04:02] \sh: bug 48500? [04:02] Malone bug 48500 in meta-kde "In Kubuntu Dapper KDE 3.5.3 - device icons disappearing" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/48500 [04:02] <\sh> yes [04:02] I've not looked into it [04:03] <\sh> no.it's not this bug [04:03] <\sh> the usb/sc card symbols are not showing up even after remove/insert action [04:04] \sh: got the same in kicker applet nothing is shown === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:06] <\sh> marseillai: in which kicker applet? [04:06] <\sh> Riddell: it's not even shown in system:/media bta [04:06] <\sh> btw [04:06] \sh: does HAL know about it? [04:06] \sh: do USB drives show up? [04:07] <\sh> Riddell: HAL knows about...I see the events in syslog [04:07] <\sh> Riddell: my usb box is broken :( I have to check tomorrow morning in the office with something like an usb stick [04:08] \sh: i only know french name support de stockage it should be something like storage device [04:08] <\sh> marseillai: ah yes...it's what I said about the system menu and system:/media [04:13] marseillai: it is "Storage Media" kicker applet [04:13] i was not so far! ;) [04:14] Lure: you tried it ? [04:14] marseillai: not yet (at work, will do this evening) === jpatrick is so confused === kubuntutaotao [n=kubuntut@60.26.177.114] has joined #kubuntu-devel === sabdfl [n=mark@ubuntu/member/pdpc.silver.sabdfl] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:21] well done everybody on kubuntu 6.06 [04:21] hey sabdfl [04:21] cd's are being printed this week! [04:21] woot! i want one! === Hobbsee wants to check out this spiffy live cd installer! === _ZuZuu_ [n=ZuZubunt@AVelizy-154-1-27-74.w82-124.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:28] thanks sabdfl [04:30] sabdfl: we've built up a great developer community over dapper, should make edgy very exciting [04:30] jpatrick: what's the confusion? [04:30] Riddell: http://home.arcor.de/harleen/pakete/kuickshow/ [04:31] is it me or does the src tarballs hold nothing at all? (apart for a po/ dir) [04:32] <\sh> jpatrick: it's you ;) [04:32] <\sh> http://home.arcor.de/harleen/pakete/kuickshow/kuickshow_0.8.5-0ubuntu1.1.tar.gz does have everything you want [04:32] untar-ed it badly... :| === \sh thinks about applying for ubuntu-dev again...if no one has reasons against this adventure? [04:33] Not me [04:33] Not I [04:34] \sh: you probably don't need to apply again, just ask keybuk to reactivate you === neoncode [n=neoncode@unaffiliated/neoncode] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:34] <\sh> Riddell: ah no..that's too easy :) I want that feeling again ;) [04:35] jpatrick: he's made it as a native package, you should make a .orig.tar.gz [04:35] Riddell: I've mentioned that [04:35] <\sh> Riddell: dev rights are for one year right? [04:35] jpatrick: version number something like 4:3.5.3kuickshow0.8.5-0ubuntu1 [04:35] Riddell: any cool specs lined up yet for Paris? [04:36] plus he's used a XubuntuY.Z version number [04:36] Riddell: when freeflying's around, and nothing else is occuring, we probably should discuss the versioning for kopete 0.12 - the natives are getting restless in wanting it... [04:37] sabdfl: we're collecting some ideas at https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuFutureIdeas [04:37] sabdfl: writing specs is on my todo list for this afternoon [04:37] sabdfl: I think laptop support should be a high priority, since that's something we lack badly behind ubuntu [04:37] <\sh> Riddell/sabdfl: I think something like the ubuntu laptop testing team for kubuntu would be nice [04:37] Riddell: just one-paragraph in the wiki, registered in LP, is all I think you need to start tracking them [04:37] \sh: agreed! [04:38] sabdfl: for graphics bling using the new Oxygen icons from kwwii would be cool, although they're far from finished yet [04:39] sabdfl: and it would be uber nice to find someone who could port kwin to Xgl, I'm told it's not that hard if someone knows kwin and the NET window manager specs [04:39] but finding someone to do that seems to be difficult [04:39] <\sh> Riddell: what about aixgl in xorg 7.1? [04:40] \sh: I don't know what the status of that + KDE is [04:40] Riddell: were we planning to look at dpi stuff again in edgy? instead of using the dirty hack that we did in dapper? [04:41] Hobbsee: what's wrong with what we did in dapper? [04:41] Riddell: i dont know - i thougth i'd heard that it wasnt the proper way to do it [04:41] Riddell: i just registered uds-paris so you should be able to nominate specs for that now [04:41] Hobbsee: there is no proper way [04:41] sabdfl: "uds"? [04:41] Riddell: ah...i see :) [04:42] ubuntu developer summit? [04:43] sounds right [04:43] <\sh> riddell/sabdfl: I saw some names on the list of invited kde devs? very nice :) [04:43] haha @ one of these "ideas" - whyever would we want to ship a *working* module of something??? [04:44] yes, I need to work out how to best use the KDE developers we'll have [04:45] <\sh> Riddell: I think in things like new techniques in ubuntu-core and kde integration..so that something like the acpi stuff never happens again? ;) [04:46] Hobbsee: love the caps [04:47] jpatrick: huh? [04:47] <\sh> ok..working on kbilliards package :) [04:47] Hobbsee: on the idea [04:47] jpatrick: oh.. yes...right...hehe [04:48] Riddell: just so you know the guy by the name of Rouzic on the kubuntu-members proposed list, is admin and founder of kubuntu-es.org [04:49] jpatrick: cool, is he coming to the meeting tomorrow? [04:49] He only speaks Spanish [04:49] unless you want me to translate [04:49] @schedule [04:49] schedule Retrieve the date/time of scheduled meetings in a specific timezone [04:49] @schedule sydney [04:50] hmm... [04:50] Riddell: he says he'll try [04:51] good. meeting isnt in a few hours. :D [04:51] jpatrick: thanks, would be good if you can translate [04:52] anyone speak arabic? [04:52] <\sh> Hobbsee: tomorrow :) [04:52] \sh: your tomorrow is not my tomorrow. [04:53] my tomorrow is wednesday. i think. [04:53] it is [04:53] ttyl people :) [04:53] bye pygi [04:53] Later pygi [04:53] <\sh> Hobbsee: right [04:53] @time sydney [04:53] Current time in Australia/Sydney: June 06 2006, 00:53:37 [04:53] yes. [04:53] that looks about right. [04:53] Hobbsee: you are tomorrow === mornfall is today [04:53] hehe [04:53] <\sh> @time berlin [04:54] Current time in Europe/Berlin: June 05 2006, 16:54:02 [04:54] it feels so weird hearing people complaining about mondya mornings, when it's already monday afternoon here. [04:57] and almost tuesday even [04:58] it is tuesday here [04:58] assuming my clock is right [05:00] well 1 hour to go for me till hell breaks loose (666) [05:00] heh [05:01] bah. nothing *too* major seems to have happened yet. [05:04] wait till it comes to Helsinki [05:04] Hobbsee: there are three binary packages of kopete on ubuntu-zh.org [05:04] lol [05:04] freeflying: nice :) i musnt have seen the last one === Hobbsee has been at work, so that's logical [05:04] hehe [05:04] or Hell, Michigan [05:04] Hobbsee: sure === apachelogger [n=me@amarok/rokymotion/apachelogger] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:15] hi apachelogger [05:17] ahoy jpatrick :) [05:18] what's up? [05:18] apachelogger: what part of amarok do you work with? [05:18] freeflying: grabbing the new one :) [05:18] rokymotion appartently [05:19] <\sh> Hobbsee: apachelogger will fix the splashscreen ;) [05:19] yay! [05:19] jpatrick: actualyl nearly everything ;-) [05:19] well [05:19] could really do that [05:19] but first I have to do some management [05:19] <\sh> apachelogger: would be nice, and you will get the bug-fix-er of the week on kubuntu.* [05:20] <\sh> s/get/become/ [05:20] arrsome ;-) [05:20] <\sh> typical german spelling bug === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:34] night all [05:34] hey Lure [05:36] hi Hobbsee [05:36] Riddell: do you plan to add deb-src packages for kubuntu.org repositories? [05:37] night Hobbsee [05:39] Lure: what's missing? [05:39] Failed to fetch http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-353/dists/dapper/Release Unable to find expected entry main/source/Sources in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?) [05:40] Riddell: amarok and koffice seem to be ok, so it is kde 353 only issue [05:41] yes, confirmed [05:42] Riddell: it is nothing urgent, but is is easier to investigate problems with source... ;-) [05:42] <\sh> Riddell: is there a plan to provide an application like gdebi for kubuntu? [05:42] \sh: yes, we want that [05:43] difficult thing with a port of gdebi is working out how to embed konsole with pykde [05:43] <\sh> Riddell: as part of adept, or as part of collaboration between mvo and person X? [05:44] \sh: either way, I think mornfall has always planned for .deb install with adept at some point === goldenear [n=user@vol75-4-82-225-33-186.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:44] Lure: try nowe [05:44] Lure: try now === abattoir_ [n=abattoir@59.92.43.5] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:47] Riddell: thanks - it works now! [05:49] \sh: can you give me a German translation for "Planet Kubuntu.de has the blogs of the German Kubuntu community." [05:50] <\sh> hmmm [05:51] <\sh> Planet kubuntu.de veröffentlicht die Blogs der deutschen Kubuntu Community [05:51] isn't it team only? [05:52] i always planned yes [05:52] but i never have enough time [05:52] <\sh> apachelogger: planet.kubuntu.de yes, kubuntu developer, members, team members, === haggai [n=halls@i-83-67-59-194.freedom2surf.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:52] <\sh> apachelogger: universe.kubuntu.de will be the world ;) [05:52] aye :) [05:54] <\sh> Riddell: if you can manage to make "planet.kubuntu.org" points to "planet.kubuntu.de" we have a new service for kubuntu.org without any work ;) === apachelogger would like to see paste.kubuntu.org ;-) [05:55] \sh: you could add me to the blogroll maybe? ;-) [05:56] and obviously Riddell [05:56] the mail states planet.ubuntu.de is for ubuntu.de people and universe for everyone else. [05:56] <\sh> mornfall: sure :) [05:57] <\sh> toma: kubuntu.de is for all kubuntu developers, members and kubuntu.de team members [05:57] <\sh> or whatever team we have :) I could also add kubuntu.cz teams ;) [05:57] <\sh> toma: but the official site of kubuntu...like planet.ubuntu.com [05:58] <\sh> toma: universe will be for all kubuntu users [05:58] \sh: kubuntu.de grabbing for universe domination? ;-) [05:58] <\sh> apachelogger: your call...you make it happen :) [05:59] \sh: oki, you can add mine as well then. === apachelogger takes his sword [05:59] <\sh> ok..realnames, feed urls, and hackergotchi pls :) [05:59] FOR THE HOLY KRAIL! [06:00] <\sh> Riddells I can grab easily..mornfalls is on planet.kde.org...but I don't know where toma is [06:00] planetkde as well [06:01] <\sh> toma: kk [06:01] <\sh> mornfall: no hackergotchi? send a pic to mirjam :) [06:02] no hackergotchi [06:02] i first need to decide if i even like the idea [06:04] <\sh> Riddell: can I add you, with hackergotchi, too? [06:06] <\sh> so toma, mornfall: added your feeds [06:07] \sh: sure, hackgotchi at launchpad.net/people/jr [06:07] <\sh> oh and we get a new layout and design for planet.kubuntu :) [06:07] thanks \sh [06:12] <\sh> done [06:12] <\sh> now we need to work on the relaunch of kubuntu.de and a new layout and design of planet.kubuntu.de ... I hope kwwii will find some time to do it ;) [06:13] goldenear: could you proofread the sentences on kubuntu.org [06:14] sure... but wich sentences ? [06:14] the ones in french [06:15] Riddell: they're not correct [06:15] doesn't surprise me :) [06:16] goldenear: got corrections? === mornfall [n=mornfall@rb4b151.chello.upc.cz] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:17] www.kubuntu-fr.org est un site web pour les utilisateurs francophones de Kubuntu, voir l'annonce. [06:17] merci [06:18] www.kubuntu-fr.org le site web des utilisateurs francophones de Kubuntu, voir l'annonce. [06:18] yw :) [06:18] the second translation is also possible [06:18] please [06:18] it's not exactly the same meaning [06:19] and the forum sentence? [06:19] if you want to say kubuntu-fr.org is the official/reference website for french speaking users, then use the second one [06:20]