[12:47] <kmon> bye
[01:08] <bddebian> Howdy
[01:10] <nixternal> hye bddebian
[01:10] <bddebian> Hello nixternal
[01:11] <nixternal> i have been trying to setup raid0 on my system for hours...and i think i finally figured out how to do it
[01:11] <nixternal> as a matter of fact..i know i did
[01:11] <nixternal> just that /boot and
[01:11] <nixternal> OMG>..the power just flickered and the system went down @#
[01:11] <nixternal> LOL
[06:58] <Hobbsee> freeflying-g4: nice work :)  is the kopete-3.5.2.deb the right one?
[06:59] <freeflying-g4> Hobbsee ya
[06:59] <Hobbsee> gotcha.
[07:00] <freeflying-g4> Hobbsee it was, but I switched it to what is now
[07:00] <Hobbsee> ah okay
[07:00] <Hobbsee> can i ask why?
[07:02] <freeflying-g4> Hobbsee it will be more easier for upgrade from archive
[07:02] <Hobbsee> freeflying-g4: ah, good point.
[07:02] <Hobbsee> freeflying-g4: man that's slow!  :P
[07:02] <Hobbsee> i wonder why...
[07:03] <freeflying-g4> Hobbsee download spped?
[07:03] <freeflying-g4> s/spped/speed
[07:03] <Hobbsee> freeflying-g4: about 6kbps, with a download accelerator, it's showing 36kbps...
[07:04] <Hobbsee> saying it had around 20 min to complete...
[07:05] <freeflying-g4> Hobbsee this sever is at HongKong, When I upload , the speed is about 100-200k/s, but only 30k/s for downloading here
[07:05] <Hobbsee> ah okay...
[07:05] <Hobbsee> heh - ours are the opposite - slow to upload, fast download
[07:05] <Hobbsee> well, for our internet connection anyway
[07:06] <\sh> wrong master slave configuration for DSL on their side ;)
[07:07] <Hobbsee> freeflying-g4: that version number that you've got is very painful - it's overwritten by the kde 3.5.3 repos.
[07:07] <Hobbsee> that's why i was going to version it kopete 0.12.0
[07:08] <freeflying-g4> Hobbsee okey, I can upload the one you prefer
[07:08] <\sh> even that would be overruled by kopete-4:3.5.2
[07:08] <Hobbsee> \sh: this is true.
[07:09] <Hobbsee> it's probably worth seeing what Riddell says about it - i dont know.
[07:09] <Hobbsee> but i know the kde 3.5.3 repos got bumped, so they'd overwrite all of kde 3.5.2
[07:09] <\sh> it's difficult to package a source which is standalone, but as well shipped from kde upstream
[07:10] <\sh> Hobbsee: the right thing to do , for additional repositories, could be: 1. move the source as patch into kdenetwork
[07:10] <\sh> 2. repackage kdenetwork-3.5.3.orig.tar.gz to provide the 0.12.0 kopete source
[07:11] <Hobbsee> \sh: mmm...okay...
[07:11] <\sh> 3. remove kopete from kdenetwork completly and use only kopetes standalone source
[07:11] <Hobbsee> heh.  i rather like that option.
[07:11] <Hobbsee> that'd be easier :P
[07:11] <Hobbsee> darn the many metapackages :P
[07:13] <\sh> well all of the 3 ways would go away, if kopete would provide their plugins as standalone package
[07:13] <Hobbsee> \sh: true.
[07:13] <\sh> means, kopetes main source is in kdenetwork, but the plugins are out of the standard kde kdenetwork source tree
[07:14] <Hobbsee> no...wait...which bits are the plugins?
[07:14] <\sh> icq, jabber, msn etc.
[07:14] <\sh> all transports
[07:15] <\sh> there is no difference between the plugins and the transports...they are .so files
[07:15] <Hobbsee> yes.....so....that would mean that the application itself was split from the plugins?  that sounds even messier
[07:15] <Hobbsee> ah okay
[07:16] <freeflying|away> I'm try add jingle support
[07:16] <\sh> Hobbsee: no...kopete application is just a frontend for kopete_msn.{la,so} plugins ;)
[07:16] <Hobbsee> \sh: right :P
[07:16] <Hobbsee> wish they had the efficient theme for kopete 0.12...
[07:16] <freeflying|away> \sh: those plugins are ship with kopete, even in knetwork
[07:17] <\sh> freeflying|away: and that's the reason why they have to provide standalone point releases because of those
[07:17] <\sh> freeflying|away: not that kopetes application source is changing, most of the time, they adjust the transport plugins to run with icq, aol, msn etc. again
[07:18] <\sh> freeflying|away: and that's one thing which freaks me out...it's broken by source delivery design.
[07:18] <\sh> freeflying|away: the kopete transport plugins should be removed from kdenetwork
[07:18] <freeflying|away> \sh: you mean kopete will not be ship in knetwork any longer?
[07:19] <\sh> freeflying|away: I didn't say that
[07:19] <freeflying|away> \sh:  :)
[07:19] <freeflying|away> Hobbsee: kopete_0.12.0-0ubuntu1_i386.deb uploaded
[07:19] <Hobbsee> freeflying|away: cool :)
[07:20] <\sh> freeflying|away: I said, kulow should remove kopetes plugins from kdenetwork, but the application frontend should be in kdenetwork. so kopete upstream can release plugin point releases for their transport plugins
[07:20] <freeflying|away> \sh: I see 
[07:20] <\sh> freeflying|away: means, we have kopete_4:3.5.2-0ubuntu1_i386.deb and kopete-plugins-0.12.0 ;)
[07:24] <\sh> freeflying|away: if you read the release notes of the 0.12 development, you'll see many fixes for the transport plugins...but less fixes on the main application. those changes on the main application you can easily export as patch but the fixes on the plugins are a pain
[07:25] <freeflying|away> \sh: maybe we can split it into kopete and kopete-plugins
[07:25] <\sh> freeflying|away: you still have the source in kdenetwork ;)
[07:26] <\sh> freeflying|away: there must be a source split
[07:26] <freeflying|away> \sh: anyway, it will be consonant with debian's policy more
[07:27] <\sh> freeflying|away: sure, but you won't solve the actual problem of having kopete updated
[07:27] <freeflying|away> \sh: true
[07:29] <Hobbsee> freeflying|away: oops.  i'd forgotten that kopete 0.12 would *also* get overwritten by kdenetwork-3.5.* :P
[07:29] <Hobbsee> oh well
[07:30] <\sh> bump it to 4:3.5.3-0ubuntu<something> and conflict/replace kopete with kopete-4:3.5.3-0ubuntu1
[07:30] <\sh> but this is really a bad hack
[07:30] <Hobbsee> it is
[07:31] <\sh> but the only smart solution for now...until we find a better solution...
[07:31] <freeflying|away> \sh: how about provide a dump package 
[07:31] <\sh> and to be honest, I would like to see the additional repositories with -XkubuntuY versions, to show that they are really adds and not officially supported
[07:32] <freeflying|away> -XkubuntuY will be nice 
[07:32] <\sh> freeflying|away: Czessi is doing this for kubuntu.de repos
[07:33] <freeflying|away> \sh:  -XkubuntuY ?
[07:33] <\sh> freeflying|away: yes
[07:34] <\sh> freeflying|away: http://packages.czessi.net/dapper_complete.php?i18n=en
[07:40] <\sh> did anyone worked on kbilliard?
[07:40] <\sh> http://www.hostnotfound.it/kbilliards.php 
[07:40] <\sh> if not, I'm packaging it right now :)
[07:42] <Hobbsee> \sh: go for it :)
[07:42] <Hobbsee> \sh: you rotter....
[07:42] <\sh> rotter?
[07:43] <Hobbsee> \sh: um....rotten person?  horrible person?  i dont know - that sort of idea
[07:43] <\sh> Hobbsee: oh I see, that was my plan ;)
[07:43] <Hobbsee> \sh: hehe.  your very evil plan...
[07:44] <Hobbsee> guess that means that i cant boss everyone around :P
[07:44] <\sh> Hobbsee: no one can boss me around...ok my son he can do that...;)
[07:44] <Hobbsee> hehe
[07:45] <\sh> kbilliards-0.8.7/kbilliards_SuSE.spec how evil
[07:46] <Hobbsee> hehe
[07:46] <freeflying|away> Hobbsee: tested?
[07:46] <Hobbsee> freeflying|away: yeah, seems to work okay :)
[07:47] <freeflying|away> Hobbsee: if it can support jingle, will be more nicer :)
[07:47] <Hobbsee> freeflying|away: that is true.  havent tested it much 
[08:48] <\sh> freeflying|away: what was the replacement of qlist in qt3?
[08:49] <freeflying|away> \sh: I don't know  :P
[08:53] <\sh> looks like qlist was replaced in qt3 with qvaluelist
[08:59] <mornfall> Riddell: hi?
[09:10] <\sh> does anyone know, if suse/novell is patching their qt3 to support still qlist?
[09:17] <\sh> oh yes
[09:17] <\sh> fun
[09:17] <\sh> novell is still using compat mode in qt3
[09:20] <\sh> Hobbsee: kbilliards fixed ;)
[09:21] <Hobbsee> \sh: yay!
[09:22] <\sh> s/QList/QPtrList/
[09:23] <nixtErnal`> lol...i just downloaded kbilliards
[09:26] <\sh> fait a few minutes :)
[09:27] <nixtErnal`> and update?
[09:27] <nixtErnal`> woo...can't wait
[09:27] <\sh> no...I'll provide a pakcage for dapper
[09:28] <nixtErnal`> a kangaroo must have hijacked Hobbsee's internet
[09:28] <nixtErnal`> are you here to stay this time Hobbsee?
[09:28] <Hobbsee> nixtErnal`: no idea, i'm not sure why i'm timing out - my other network is okay...
[09:28] <nixtErnal`> hehe
[09:29] <Hobbsee> hmmm...
[09:29] <Hobbsee> [17:28]  [Notice]  -NickServ-  Last Seen Quit Msg: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
[09:29] <nixtErnal`> i said you probably had a kangaroo hijack your internet
[09:29] <nixtErnal`> ;)
[09:30] <Hobbsee> hehe!
[09:33] <Hobbsee> nooo!!!
[09:34] <abattoir> pygi: good morning ;) 
[09:35] <pygi> abattoir, mornin' ;)
[09:35] <pygi> how are you?
[09:35] <abattoir> fine, going through the bzr docs :P '
[09:36] <pygi> abattoir, which one? There is no much doc existing as far as I  know
[09:36] <abattoir> the 'Quick Start Tutorial' on the site
[09:36] <abattoir> i guess its enough for starters...
[09:37] <abattoir> havent used rev. cont. sys. much :( 
[09:37] <\sh> oh joy
[09:37] <pygi> ah :-/
[09:37] <\sh> /bin/sh ../../admin/mkinstalldirs /usr/share/apps/kbilliards/sound/
[09:37] <\sh> mkdir -p -- /usr/share/apps/kbilliards/sound/
[09:38] <abattoir> pygi: no big deal :) 
[09:38] <pygi> \sh, joyful today? :)
[09:38] <pygi> abattoir, what you need bzr anyway for?
[09:39] <abattoir> heh, just a simple branch from Kamion's site, then have to rsync to a site Riddell kindly provided....
[09:39] <pygi> ah, oki :)
[09:40] <abattoir> Riddell seems 'uncatchable though ;) 
[09:40] <abattoir> *'uncatchable' 
[09:41] <Hobbsee> abattoir: it's not even 9am there
[09:41] <abattoir> Hobbsee: I know, i meant messages i sent yesterday :) 
[09:41] <Hobbsee> oh
[09:41] <pygi> abattoir, you'll catch him eventually ;)
[09:42] <abattoir> pygi: else he'll catch me... and deal w/ me :D 
[09:42] <abattoir> pygi: the former is the better option ;) 
[09:55] <\sh> ok...kbilliards source is totally fcked
[09:56] <\sh> it installs without destdir support, but refuses to recreate autofoo magic....which means, it does recreate all files, but then some includes are not known anymore...he has to fix this shit first
[10:30] <\sh> Hobbsee: want to try kbilliards?
[10:31] <Hobbsee> \sh: ask me tomorrow...not right before work :P
[10:31] <\sh> Hobbsee: I used another approach to package it :) works :)
[10:31] <Hobbsee> :)
[10:38] <\sh> Hobbsee: http://linux.blogweb.de/archives/212-Packaged-kbilliards.html
[10:38] <\sh> come get some, honey ;)
[10:39] <Hobbsee> now that just sounds bad :P
[10:39] <nixternal`zzz> g'nite everyone
[10:39] <\sh> Hobbsee: that was duke nukem 3d slang ;)
[10:39] <Hobbsee> i see...
[10:40] <\sh> Hobbsee: please try them...and the others please do
[10:40] <Hobbsee> \sh: my boss will eat you...or me...or both, if i do...
[10:40] <Hobbsee> bye all
[10:41] <\sh> cu Hobbsee have a nice day ;)
[10:41] <Hobbsee> night.  will od :P
[10:41] <\sh> meanwhile .. playing billiard
[10:41] <\sh> oh and no desktop file...I have to work on this package...
[11:08] <imbrandon_> morning everyone
[11:16] <Riddell> abattoir: catch me
[11:16] <Riddell> mornfall: hi
[11:16] <mornfall> nm
[11:19] <seaLne> is the lack of a box round the username and password field in 353 kdm intentional?
[11:20] <Riddell> seaLne: I suspect it's to better conform to GDM spec
[11:20] <Riddell> we probably need to explicitly add a border now or something
[11:20] <seaLne> but it is intentional then
[11:21] <Riddell> I've not asked, but I suspect so
[11:22] <Riddell> ossi says it is intentional
[11:25] <_Sime_|AFK> Riddell: Hi, are there any plans for a good backup application for dapper+1?
[11:31] <seaLne> worryingly in adept a search for backup (kde progs) only returns kdat
[11:31] <seaLne> strangely any suite shows konserve which looks interesting
[11:32] <seaLne> and keep
[11:33] <_Sime_> I'm more interested in a fast and easy way of shoveling data on to CDR for backup.
[11:33] <mornfall> tags, tags
[11:34] <seaLne> _Sime_: let me know what you find, i should really setup my parents machine to backup
[11:34] <seaLne> mornfall: yeah wasn't a dig at you, so do those just not mention kde?
[11:35] <_Sime_> seaLne: I've got some program (forget the name) set up to do automatic backups to a 2nd HDD. But I miss a  program for burning backups to media.
[11:36] <seaLne> yeah i guess a simple thing would be simply sticking another hard disk in, their machine dosen't actually have a cdr anyway atm
[11:55] <mornfall> seaLne: no, the packages are missing suite::kde tags
[12:01] <Riddell> _Sime_: keep is our backup program so far, JRe wrote it
[12:01] <_Sime_> Riddell: does it do backups to CDR?
[12:01] <Riddell> it's for rsyncing to a remote place though more than burning to CDs
[12:04] <_Sime_> Riddell: I've got a project here that I started last year (before getting sidetracked), and it is aimed purely at backing up dirs to CDR/DVD using K3B.
[12:07] <Riddell> _Sime_: ideally that would be incorporated with Keep, it would be a shame to have two backup programmes
[12:08] <Riddell>  jr.falleri@laposte.net if you want to contact him about it
[12:13] <_Sime_> Riddell: you don't know what his future plans are for Keep?
[12:13] <Riddell> I don't
[12:14] <_Sime_> Keep is more aimed at non-interactive backups. But I'm after CDR + DVD.
[12:18] <jpatrick> do we have Keep by default, coz I don't see it in the K-Menu...
[12:24] <Riddell> jpatrick: yes, it's under System
[12:24] <jpatrick> found it
[12:31] <jpatrick> Riddell: if you need something packaged, I'm here
[12:41] <Riddell> kopete i guess
[12:44] <jpatrick> three people already on it
[12:44] <Riddell> really? who's that?
[12:44] <pygi> Riddell, poke
[12:44] <pygi> how important is this (found in KubuntuFutureIdeas)
[12:44] <pygi> A grub recovery tool would be nice. Use case: imagine someone reinstalls windows (or another distro) and messes the MBR. The user could use the live cd to recover grub from a GUI tool. A qt/kde front-end to grub-install should be sufficient
[12:45] <jpatrick> hobbsee, freeflying, Czessi, and maybe uniq
[12:45] <Riddell> pygi: I'd like a guidance module to help you setup grub
[12:45] <Riddell> jpatrick: crivvens
[12:45] <jpatrick> what?
[12:46] <Riddell> goodness me
[12:46] <_Sime_> Riddell: do you have any good use-cases for that?
[12:47] <jpatrick> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=crivvens
[12:48] <jpatrick> For future reference..
[12:49] <freeflying|away> Riddell: how to name kopete-0.12
[12:49] <pygi> Riddell, hm,k
[12:50] <Riddell> freeflying|away: 4:3.5.3kopete0.12.0
[12:50] <Riddell> I'd say
[12:50] <freeflying|away> Riddell: http://www.ubuntu-zh.org/~freeflying/packages/  --< two kopete packages here
[12:51] <Riddell> _Sime_: the one above?  installing a new linux build?
[12:51] <_Sime_> Riddell: to me that sounds more like something that should be in on a rescue CD or safe boot mode.
[12:52] <seaLne> it would still be usable in that scenario
[12:53] <Riddell> freeflying|away: got any sources?
[12:54] <freeflying|away> Riddell: hasn't upload source packages
[12:54] <Riddell> well I don't care about binaries :)
[12:54] <imbrandon> fyi : suse puts it on the initial boot menu of the first cd ( IE where it says "Start or Install Kubuntu ...." etc etc etc there is a "Reinstall Grub" that does it just as the d-i does it IE looks for other bootable partitions etc and installes it )
[12:55] <freeflying|away> Riddell: but I don't know which name will be better
[12:56] <Riddell> 4:3.5.3kopete0.12.0 for version number
[12:58] <Riddell> jpatrick: you could contact this guy and help him with his kuickshow package Marko Schulz <harleen@gmx.de>
[12:58] <apokryphos> imbrandon: yup, it's very handy after being forced to reinstall windoze or something
[12:59] <Riddell> \sh: do you want me to reactivate your kubuntu-team account?
[01:00] <\sh> Riddell: would be nice yes thx :)
[01:01] <jpatrick> what's the problem with it?
[01:02] <Riddell> \sh: and kubuntu-members?
[01:02] <\sh> Riddell: hmm..i never was in kubuntu-members. I thought it was a new group...but yes :)
[01:03] <Riddell> jpatrick: he e-mailed me to say he was making one but he wasn't very good, I've not seen the package you'll need to get it from him
[01:03] <jpatrick> ok
[01:03] <Riddell> \sh: done
[01:03] <\sh> Riddell: thx a lot :)
[01:04] <imbrandon> Riddell: is kde-latest linked to kde-353 ? just curious becouse i'm resetting up my local apt-mirror
[01:05] <\sh> Riddell: I was wondering if it would be a better idea to version additional kubuntu packages , like the 3.5.3 update packages etc. with -XkubuntuY...
[01:05] <Riddell> imbrandon: yes
[01:05] <imbrandon> kk
[01:05] <\sh> Riddell: so we can do some really nasty things like e.g. kopete-4:3.5.3-0kubuntuX ;)
[01:06] <Riddell> \sh: why?
[01:06] <imbrandon> i would think so incase they make it into -updates 
[01:06] <imbrandon> or for bugfixes posted to kde353
[01:07] <\sh> Riddell: to have a direct split between supported and unsupported. If the packages are going into -updates we can reversion them from original sources
[01:08] <imbrandon> \sh: what would that do to the people with both repos in sources.list ?
[01:08] <Riddell> yeah, could be sensible, although they're already named -0ubuntu0.1
[01:09] <\sh> imbrandon: the can have them all the time in their sources.list, but people don't know, that e.g. amarok 1.4 is not supported by default...
[01:12] <Riddell> imbrandon: kubuntu << ubuntu
[01:15] <\sh> I should get up and have a shower, do some real life work and then work kbilliards package to move it to revu
[01:15] <imbrandon> kubuntu << ubuntu ??
[01:16] <imbrandon> heh \shi get my amd64 desktop pc replacemnt today , w00t
[01:16] <\sh> imbrandon: yes ubuntu is greater then kubuntu, so 0kubuntu1 will be replaced with 0ubuntu1 ;)
[01:16] <imbrandon> ahhh ok , still isnt 10000% clear on the versioning with letters invilved
[01:17] <imbrandon> involved
[01:17] <\sh> imbrandon: think about ascii sorting methonds....k < u
[01:17] <\sh> z > a
[01:17] <imbrandon> ah
[01:19] <\sh> imbrandon: here in germany it's pfingsten, wait..what's that in english, ah Pentecost or Whitsuntide
[01:19] <Riddell> Pentecost
[01:19] <imbrandon> i see 
[01:19] <\sh> konquis "leo:" rock ;)
[02:16] <freeflying|away> Riddell: kopete_3.5.3kopete0.12.0-1_i386.deb is uploaded to ubuntu-zh.org
[02:17] <Riddell> freeflying|away: any source?
[02:17] <freeflying|away> Riddell: uploading
[02:17] <freeflying|away> Riddell: without any patches
[02:24] <Riddell> mornfall: does this site look sane to you? kubuntu.sk
[02:25] <mornfall> guess so
[02:25] <mornfall> the kubuntu 6.06 announcement looks like a translation
[02:26] <mornfall> some local news (local mailing list, local mirror)
[02:29] <Riddell> thanks, I'll add it to our local groups list
[02:29] <Riddell> mornfall: the guy said he's considering also buying kubuntu.cz and pointing it at that site, does that seem like a sensible idea?
[02:31] <mornfall> well, if noone wants to make a real czech site... dunnow
[02:31] <mornfall> it's a bit weird when a .cz site is in slovak
[02:33] <mornfall> bbiab
[02:43] <abattoir> Riddell: hello; the bzr site(kamion's) w/ oem-config does not seem to have all the files that the oem-config package in main has.
[02:44] <Riddell> abattoir: what's it missing?
[02:44] <abattoir> http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/bzr/oem-config/mainline/menu/
[02:44] <abattoir> in the menu folder, there are lots of files missing
[02:44] <abattoir> these are the different steps in the process
[02:45] <Riddell> abattoir: he'll be online today, you can ask him in #ubuntu-devel
[02:45] <abattoir> i.e, there is a separate .py, .templates and .mnu file for each process
[02:45] <abattoir> ok, thanks :)
[02:45] <Hobbsee> hi all
[02:48] <\sh> re Hobbsee
[02:49] <\sh> kamion was online :)
[02:49] <\sh> or is still
[02:51] <Hobbsee> \sh: heya.  guess i could test that pool now, couldnt i..
[02:51] <\sh> Hobbsee: if you like :)
[02:52] <abattoir> \sh: if that was for me, thanks :)
[03:07] <abattoir> Riddell: I just spoke w/ Kamion.
[03:07] <abattoir> Riddell: dont know if you followed it ;) 
[03:08] <abattoir> Riddell: he seems to suggest that i work on a KDE UI while he works on a backend.
[03:08] <toma> hi all
[03:08] <Riddell> abattoir: sounds good
[03:08] <Riddell> and I did indeed get my m.. nicknamed mixed up somehow
[03:09] <abattoir> Riddell: i think it greatly reduces the work that i have to do :'( 
[03:10] <abattoir> Riddell: so i guess i stop what i'm doing and start work on a KDE UI, like ubiquity.
[03:13] <Riddell> what are you doing?
[03:14] <abattoir> I was modifying the wizard.py file to include an option to open a 'kde-ui', if this was called, then a separate set of *kde.py files would be called, instead of the *.py files which depended on glade.
[03:14] <abattoir> abattoir: this way, i thought, i didnt have to mess around much w/ Kamion's code.
[03:15] <\sh> abattoir: the idea of ubiquity is quite nice...so having a backend and two or more different frontends make sense
[03:16] <abattoir> \sh: indeed :) 
[03:19] <abattoir> Riddell: i'll modify the spec/wiki accordingly then.
[03:28] <freeflying> Riddell: can we get new upstream release in dapper-updates?
[03:31] <Riddell> freeflying: not usually no
[03:32] <freeflying> Riddell: 
[03:32] <freeflying> The changes since last stable version 1.4.4 are:
[03:32] <freeflying> Fixed: crash issue when deleting helper properties
[03:32] <freeflying> Improved: implement session management support to save user config when logout from session
[03:32] <freeflying> Fixed: compilation with qt 3.3.6
[03:32] <freeflying> Updated: Korean translation
[03:32] <freeflying> Riddell: the latest skim
[03:33] <Riddell> hmm, I don't remember any problems compiling with qt 3.3.6
[03:33] <Riddell> the crash could be backported
[03:33] <Riddell> crash fix :)
[03:33] <\sh> hehe
[03:34] <freeflying> so we'd update?  :)
[03:36] <Riddell> no, the fix would need to be backported to the current version
[04:01] <\sh> Riddell: automounting in 3.5.3..is it just a config option, or a bug? I reverted back to 3.5.2 and it worked again
[04:02] <bddebian> Morning folks
[04:02] <Riddell> \sh: what's the problem?
[04:02] <Riddell> \sh: bug 48500?
[04:02] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 48500 in meta-kde "In Kubuntu Dapper KDE 3.5.3 - device icons disappearing" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/48500
[04:02] <\sh> yes
[04:02] <Riddell> I've not looked into it
[04:03] <\sh> no.it's not this bug
[04:03] <\sh> the usb/sc card symbols are not showing up even after remove/insert action
[04:04] <marseillai> \sh: got the same in kicker applet nothing is shown
[04:06] <\sh> marseillai: in which kicker applet?
[04:06] <\sh> Riddell: it's not even shown in system:/media bta
[04:06] <\sh> btw
[04:06] <Riddell> \sh: does HAL know about it?
[04:06] <Riddell> \sh: do USB drives show up?
[04:07] <\sh> Riddell: HAL knows about...I see the events in syslog
[04:07] <\sh> Riddell: my usb box is broken :( I have to check tomorrow morning in the office with something like an usb stick
[04:08] <marseillai> \sh: i only know french name support de stockage it should be something like storage device
[04:08] <\sh> marseillai: ah yes...it's what I said about the system menu and system:/media
[04:13] <Lure> marseillai: it is "Storage Media" kicker applet
[04:13] <marseillai> i was not so far! ;)
[04:14] <marseillai> Lure: you tried it ?
[04:14] <Lure> marseillai: not yet (at work, will do this evening)
[04:21] <sabdfl> well done everybody on kubuntu 6.06
[04:21] <Hobbsee> hey sabdfl 
[04:21] <sabdfl> cd's are being printed this week!
[04:21] <Hobbsee> woot!  i want one!
[04:28] <Riddell> thanks sabdfl 
[04:30] <Riddell> sabdfl: we've built up a great developer community over dapper, should make edgy very exciting
[04:30] <Riddell> jpatrick: what's the confusion?
[04:30] <jpatrick> Riddell: http://home.arcor.de/harleen/pakete/kuickshow/
[04:31] <jpatrick> is it me or does the src tarballs hold nothing at all? (apart for a po/ dir)
[04:32] <\sh> jpatrick: it's you ;)
[04:32] <\sh> http://home.arcor.de/harleen/pakete/kuickshow/kuickshow_0.8.5-0ubuntu1.1.tar.gz does have everything you want
[04:32] <jpatrick> untar-ed it  badly... :|
[04:33] <jpatrick> Not me
[04:33] <bddebian> Not I
[04:34] <Riddell> \sh: you probably don't need to apply again, just ask keybuk to reactivate you
[04:34] <\sh> Riddell: ah no..that's too easy :) I want that feeling again ;)
[04:35] <Riddell> jpatrick: he's made it as a native package, you should make a .orig.tar.gz
[04:35] <jpatrick> Riddell: I've mentioned that
[04:35] <\sh> Riddell: dev rights are for one year right?
[04:35] <Riddell> jpatrick: version number something like 4:3.5.3kuickshow0.8.5-0ubuntu1
[04:35] <sabdfl> Riddell: any cool specs lined up yet for Paris?
[04:36] <jpatrick> plus he's used a XubuntuY.Z version number
[04:36] <Hobbsee> Riddell: when freeflying's around, and nothing else is occuring, we probably should discuss the versioning for kopete 0.12 - the natives are getting restless in wanting it...
[04:37] <Riddell> sabdfl: we're collecting some ideas at https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuFutureIdeas
[04:37] <Riddell> sabdfl: writing specs is on my todo list for this afternoon
[04:37] <Riddell> sabdfl: I think laptop support should be a high priority, since that's something we lack badly behind ubuntu
[04:37] <\sh> Riddell/sabdfl: I think something like the ubuntu laptop testing team for kubuntu would be nice
[04:37] <sabdfl> Riddell: just one-paragraph in the wiki, registered in LP, is all I think you need to start tracking them
[04:37] <sabdfl> \sh: agreed!
[04:38] <Riddell> sabdfl: for graphics bling using the new Oxygen icons from kwwii would be cool, although they're far from finished yet
[04:39] <Riddell> sabdfl: and it would be uber nice to find someone who could port kwin to Xgl, I'm told it's not that hard if someone knows kwin and the NET window manager specs
[04:39] <Riddell> but finding someone to do that seems to be difficult
[04:39] <\sh> Riddell: what about aixgl in xorg 7.1?
[04:40] <Riddell> \sh: I don't know what the status of that + KDE is
[04:40] <Hobbsee> Riddell: were we planning to look at dpi stuff again in edgy?  instead of using the dirty hack that we did in dapper?
[04:41] <Riddell> Hobbsee: what's wrong with what we did in dapper?
[04:41] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i dont know - i thougth i'd heard that it wasnt the proper way to do it
[04:41] <sabdfl> Riddell: i just registered uds-paris so you should be able to nominate specs for that now
[04:41] <Riddell> Hobbsee: there is no proper way
[04:41] <Riddell> sabdfl: "uds"?
[04:41] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ah...i see :)
[04:42] <Hobbsee> ubuntu developer summit?
[04:43] <Riddell> sounds right
[04:43] <\sh> riddell/sabdfl: I saw some names on the list of invited kde devs? very nice :) 
[04:43] <Hobbsee> haha @ one of these "ideas" - whyever would we want to ship a *working* module of something???
[04:44] <Riddell> yes, I need to work out how to best use the KDE developers we'll have
[04:45] <\sh> Riddell: I think in things like new techniques in ubuntu-core and kde integration..so that something like the acpi stuff never happens again? ;)
[04:46] <jpatrick> Hobbsee: love the caps
[04:47] <Hobbsee> jpatrick: huh?
[04:47] <\sh> ok..working on kbilliards package :)
[04:47] <jpatrick> Hobbsee: on the idea
[04:47] <Hobbsee> jpatrick: oh.. yes...right...hehe
[04:48] <jpatrick> Riddell: just so you know the guy by the name of Rouzic on the kubuntu-members proposed list, is admin and founder of kubuntu-es.org
[04:49] <Riddell> jpatrick: cool, is he coming to the meeting tomorrow?
[04:49] <jpatrick> He only speaks Spanish
[04:49] <jpatrick> unless you want me to translate
[04:49] <Hobbsee> @schedule
[04:49] <Ubugtu> schedule Retrieve the date/time of scheduled meetings in a specific timezone
[04:49] <Hobbsee> @schedule sydney
[04:50] <Hobbsee> hmm...
[04:50] <jpatrick> Riddell: he says he'll try
[04:51] <Hobbsee> good.  meeting isnt in a few hours.  :D
[04:51] <Riddell> jpatrick: thanks, would be good if you can translate
[04:52] <Riddell> anyone speak arabic?
[04:52] <\sh> Hobbsee: tomorrow :)
[04:52] <Hobbsee> \sh: your tomorrow is not my tomorrow.
[04:53] <Hobbsee> my tomorrow is wednesday.  i think.
[04:53] <Riddell> it is
[04:53] <pygi> ttyl people :)
[04:53] <Hobbsee> bye pygi 
[04:53] <bddebian> Later pygi
[04:53] <\sh> Hobbsee: right
[04:53] <Hobbsee> @time sydney
[04:53] <Ubugtu> Current time in Australia/Sydney: June 06 2006, 00:53:37
[04:53] <Hobbsee> yes.
[04:53] <Hobbsee> that looks about right.
[04:53] <mornfall> Hobbsee: you are tomorrow
[04:53] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:53] <\sh> @time berlin
[04:54] <Ubugtu> Current time in Europe/Berlin: June 05 2006, 16:54:02
[04:54] <Hobbsee> it feels so weird hearing people complaining about mondya mornings, when it's already monday afternoon here.
[04:57] <jsgotangco> and almost tuesday even
[04:58] <Hobbsee> it is tuesday here
[04:58] <Hobbsee> assuming my clock is right
[05:00] <jsgotangco> well 1 hour to go for me till hell breaks loose (666)
[05:00] <jsgotangco> heh
[05:01] <Hobbsee> bah.  nothing *too* major seems to have happened yet.
[05:04] <jsgotangco> wait till it comes to Helsinki
[05:04] <freeflying> Hobbsee: there are three binary packages of kopete on ubuntu-zh.org
[05:04] <jsgotangco> lol
[05:04] <Hobbsee> freeflying: nice :)  i musnt have seen the last one
[05:04] <Hobbsee> hehe
[05:04] <jsgotangco> or Hell, Michigan
[05:04] <freeflying> Hobbsee: sure
[05:15] <jpatrick> hi apachelogger
[05:17] <apachelogger> ahoy jpatrick :)
[05:18] <jpatrick> what's up?
[05:18] <Hobbsee> apachelogger: what part of amarok do you work with?
[05:18] <Hobbsee> freeflying: grabbing the new one :)
[05:18] <jpatrick> rokymotion appartently
[05:19] <\sh> Hobbsee: apachelogger will fix the splashscreen ;)
[05:19] <Hobbsee> yay!
[05:19] <apachelogger> jpatrick: actualyl nearly everything ;-)
[05:19] <apachelogger> well
[05:19] <apachelogger> could really do that
[05:19] <apachelogger> but first I have to do some management
[05:19] <\sh> apachelogger: would be nice, and you will get the bug-fix-er of the week on kubuntu.*
[05:20] <\sh> s/get/become/
[05:20] <apachelogger> arrsome ;-)
[05:20] <\sh> typical german spelling bug
[05:34] <Hobbsee> night all
[05:34] <Hobbsee> hey Lure 
[05:36] <Lure> hi Hobbsee
[05:36] <Lure> Riddell: do you plan to add deb-src packages for kubuntu.org repositories?
[05:37] <mornfall> night Hobbsee 
[05:39] <Riddell> Lure: what's missing?
[05:39] <Lure> Failed to fetch http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-353/dists/dapper/Release  Unable to find expected entry  main/source/Sources in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?)
[05:40] <Lure> Riddell: amarok and koffice seem to be ok, so it is kde 353 only issue
[05:41] <Riddell> yes, confirmed
[05:42] <Lure> Riddell: it is nothing urgent, but is is easier to investigate problems with source... ;-)
[05:42] <\sh> Riddell: is there a plan to provide an application like gdebi for kubuntu?
[05:42] <Riddell> \sh: yes, we want that
[05:43] <Riddell> difficult thing with a port of gdebi is working out how to embed konsole with pykde
[05:43] <\sh> Riddell: as part of adept, or as part of collaboration between mvo and person X?
[05:44] <Riddell> \sh: either way, I think mornfall has always planned for .deb install with adept at some point
[05:44] <Riddell> Lure: try nowe
[05:44] <Riddell> Lure: try now
[05:47] <Lure> Riddell: thanks - it works now!
[05:49] <Riddell> \sh: can you give me a German translation for "Planet Kubuntu.de</a> has the blogs of the German Kubuntu community."
[05:50] <\sh> hmmm
[05:51] <\sh> Planet kubuntu.de ver&ouml;ffentlicht die Blogs der deutschen Kubuntu Community
[05:51] <apachelogger> isn't it team only?
[05:52] <mornfall> i always planned yes
[05:52] <mornfall> but i never have enough time
[05:52] <\sh> apachelogger: planet.kubuntu.de yes, kubuntu developer, members, team members, 
[05:52] <\sh> apachelogger: universe.kubuntu.de will be the world ;)
[05:52] <apachelogger> aye :)
[05:54] <\sh> Riddell: if you can manage to make "planet.kubuntu.org" points to "planet.kubuntu.de" we have a new service for kubuntu.org without any work ;)
[05:55] <mornfall> \sh: you could add me to the blogroll maybe? ;-)
[05:56] <mornfall> and obviously Riddell
[05:56] <toma> the mail states planet.ubuntu.de is for ubuntu.de people and universe for everyone else.
[05:56] <\sh> mornfall: sure :)
[05:57] <\sh> toma: kubuntu.de is for all kubuntu developers, members and kubuntu.de team members
[05:57] <\sh> or whatever team we have :) I could also add kubuntu.cz teams ;)
[05:57] <\sh> toma: but the official site of kubuntu...like planet.ubuntu.com
[05:58] <\sh> toma: universe will be for all kubuntu users
[05:58] <apachelogger> \sh: kubuntu.de grabbing for universe domination? ;-)
[05:58] <\sh> apachelogger: your call...you make it happen :)
[05:59] <toma> \sh: oki, you can add mine as well then.
[05:59] <\sh> ok..realnames, feed urls, and hackergotchi pls :)
[05:59] <apachelogger> FOR THE HOLY KRAIL!
[06:00] <\sh> Riddells I can grab easily..mornfalls is on planet.kde.org...but I don't know where toma is
[06:00] <toma> planetkde as well
[06:01] <\sh> toma: kk
[06:01] <\sh> mornfall: no hackergotchi? send a pic to mirjam :)
[06:02] <mornfall> no hackergotchi
[06:02] <mornfall> i first need to decide if i even like the idea
[06:04] <\sh> Riddell: can I add you, with hackergotchi, too?
[06:06] <\sh> so toma, mornfall: added your feeds
[06:07] <Riddell> \sh: sure, hackgotchi at launchpad.net/people/jr
[06:07] <\sh> oh and we get a new layout and design for planet.kubuntu :)
[06:07] <toma> thanks \sh
[06:12] <\sh> done
[06:12] <\sh> now we need to work on the relaunch of kubuntu.de and a new layout and design of planet.kubuntu.de ... I hope kwwii will find some time to do it ;)
[06:13] <Riddell> goldenear: could you proofread the sentences on kubuntu.org
[06:14] <goldenear> sure... but wich sentences ?
[06:14] <Riddell> the ones in french
[06:15] <goldenear> Riddell: they're not correct
[06:15] <Riddell> doesn't surprise me :)
[06:16] <Riddell> goldenear: got corrections?
[06:17] <goldenear> www.kubuntu-fr.org est un site web pour les utilisateurs francophones de Kubuntu, voir l'annonce.
[06:17] <Riddell> merci
[06:18] <goldenear> www.kubuntu-fr.org le site web des utilisateurs francophones de Kubuntu, voir l'annonce.
[06:18] <goldenear> yw :)
[06:18] <goldenear> the second translation is also possible
[06:18] <Riddell> please
[06:18] <goldenear> it's not exactly the same meaning
[06:19] <Riddell> and the forum sentence?
[06:19] <goldenear> if you want to say kubuntu-fr.org is the official/reference website for french speaking users, then use the second one
[06:20] <Riddell> yep
[06:20] <goldenear> so wich is the good one ?
[06:20] <Riddell> I'll take the second
[06:20] <goldenear> ok
[06:21] <goldenear> so for the forum: forum.kubuntu-fr.org est le forum des utilisateurs francophones de Kubuntu.
[06:22] <goldenear> oops : www.kubuntu-fr.org est le site web des utilisateurs francophones de Kubuntu, voir l'annonce.
[06:22] <goldenear> (I forgot the "est")
[06:23] <Riddell> formidable
[06:23] <goldenear> :D
[06:24] <marseillai> yes good like that
[06:24] <\sh> Riddell: what was the wiki page for 3.5.3 bugs?
[06:26] <marseillai> \sh: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuAdditionalRepositories/KDE353
[06:27] <\sh> marseillai: thx
[06:28] <marseillai> \sh: you are building a package for kbilliards? because there is already one .....
[06:28] <\sh> marseillai: where? I only found the suse rpm
[06:28] <\sh> marseillai: the package is already packaged ;) I need to clean up some stuff, like copyright etc.
[06:29] <marseillai> i've got one on my desktop folder actually i look for the source and tell you when i find
[06:29] <\sh> marseillai: where did you download it?
[06:30] <marseillai> \sh: http://linux.blogweb.de/archives/212-Packaged-kbilliards.html
[06:30] <\sh> marseillai: that's me ;)
[06:30] <\sh> hihi
[06:30] <marseillai> looollllll
[06:30] <\sh> nice one ;)
[06:30] <shentey> are there any known issues of opening tar archives in konqueror using the tar protocol?
[06:31] <marseillai> sorry for disturbing! and thanks for the package i found this game so funny even if i often loose and don't understand this rules of billiard
[06:32] <Riddell> jpatrick: any idea where I can get oxygen's .orig?  it's not on revu
[06:32] <\sh> marseillai: no problem :)
[06:32] <Riddell> crimsun: you're a revu admin?
[06:33] <shentey> i just asked about that on #konqueror and got a hint to ask on #kubuntu-devel
[06:33] <Riddell> shentey: yes, we turned it off
[06:33] <crimsun> Riddell: no, ajmitch/siretart/sistpoty/mez are
[06:33] <shentey> how can i turn it on?
[06:33] <Riddell> ajmitch_: poke
[06:33] <bddebian> Poke him harder! :-)
[06:34] <Riddell> shentey: rm -r /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde-profile/default/share/mimelnk/application/
[06:35] <shentey> ok, i'll try that. thanks
[06:38] <shentey> thanks, it worked!
[06:39] <OculusAquilae> Riddell: oxygen? the icon-theme?
[06:41] <Riddell> OculusAquilae: yes
[06:41] <Riddell> shentey: added to faq
[06:41] <shentey> oh, that's nice
[06:41] <OculusAquilae> Riddell: you are allowed to package?
[06:42] <OculusAquilae> Riddell: because of this text: http://websvn.kde.org/*checkout*/trunk/playground/artwork/Oxygen/theme/license.txt?rev=548220
[06:42] <shentey> btw, is it possible to move the kubuntu-konqueror menus into the kubuntu-default-settings, too?
[06:43] <shentey> i guess every time i update kde i have to move the konqueror.rc file
[06:44] <\sh> sebas: ping
[06:45] <Riddell> OculusAquilae: I guess we have to ask kwwii nicely :)
[06:46] <OculusAquilae> :)
[06:46] <OculusAquilae> but it's really not complete if you look into it
[06:46] <Riddell> no
[06:47] <OculusAquilae> tried it out here, looks nice, but isn't complete
[06:51] <apachelogger> OculusAquilae: does it have to be?
[06:51] <apachelogger> ..yet
[06:51] <OculusAquilae> not yet
[06:51] <OculusAquilae> but it isn't very useful how it is now
[06:53] <apachelogger> OculusAquilae: well, useful enough for me to use it ;-)
[06:53] <OculusAquilae> apachelogger: have you tried kopete with it?
[06:53] <apachelogger> yeah
[06:53] <\sh> kopete will crash because of missing icons? ;)
[06:53] <OculusAquilae> no :)
[06:54] <apachelogger> but I don't notice a lot of icons in kopete
[06:54] <apachelogger> phew :P
[06:54] <OculusAquilae> but if you switch to away you have your old icon etc
[06:54] <apachelogger> I usually don't see the kopete interface
[06:54] <apachelogger> OculusAquilae: as long as play, pause, prev and fwd buttons are available ;-)
[06:55] <OculusAquilae> :)
[06:58] <jpatrick> Riddell: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2359
[06:58] <Riddell> ah, I didn't look at the middle one
[06:59] <jpatrick> Riddell: I didn't want to upload 10 MB of the same thing again
[07:00] <apachelogger> how about /me moving some apps to revu?
[07:00] <Riddell> apachelogger: like what?
[07:01] <apachelogger> kopete-desklist plugin for example
[07:01] <jpatrick> Riddell: is revu only for NEW packages?
[07:01] <apachelogger> well, I made some packages for kubuntu.de while dapper was freezed
[07:01] <\sh> jpatrick: yes
[07:01] <Riddell> jpatrick: no
[07:02] <jpatrick> ok, which one?
[07:02] <apachelogger> ^^
[07:02] <\sh> Riddell: for packages not in ubuntu and not in debian ;)
[07:02] <Riddell> jpatrick: well, only NEW packages need the two reviews, if you have updates you can still upload to revu as a handy place for someone to find them and upload them
[07:03] <Riddell> apachelogger: please do
[07:03] <jpatrick> so we can update packages? (I'm think koverartist)
[07:03] <Riddell> jpatrick: not until edgy is open
[07:03] <\sh> Riddell: oh yes for updates yes
[07:04] <jpatrick> and if we can upload?
[07:04] <Riddell> jpatrick: no need for REVU
[07:04] <jpatrick> ok
[07:07] <Riddell> jpatrick: see comments for oxygen package
[07:07] <jpatrick> I did
[07:07] <Riddell> cool
[07:07] <jpatrick> The Oxygen Team ?
[07:07] <Riddell> what about them?
[07:08] <kwwii> I wrote that text, so I guess I can explain it :-)
[07:08] <Riddell> kwwii: can we package oxygen yet?
[07:08] <jpatrick> for copyright holder?
[07:09] <jpatrick> Riddell: he said he didn't want it anywhere important
[07:09] <kwwii> we are currently in a state of serious development and until we are settled down and happy with what we have in SVN we do not want anyone to package it and distribute it
[07:09] <Riddell> kwwii: ok
[07:09] <kwwii> it should still have a "bang" effect, if you know what I mean
[07:09] <OdyX> Riddell: your entry on Kubuntu.org RSS is false, "" missing in "franais"
[07:09] <Riddell> jpatrick: there's only three of them, you can list them all
[07:09] <kwwii> we want people to see it and test it, but really releasing it is best when we think it is good enough to be shown on the desktop
[07:10] <kwwii> Riddell: will edgy have kde4 or still 3?
[07:10] <Riddell> kwwii: kde 3
[07:10] <kwwii> any 4 packages at all?
[07:10] <Riddell> kwwii: maybe some developers packages
[07:10] <Riddell> I see suse has kde4 libs 
[07:10] <kwwii> I think that we need a place to test it, and since it is for kde4, that might be the best place
[07:11] <kwwii> guess I won't be giving my work to suse first :p
[07:12] <Riddell> kwwii: but I doubt a kde 4 desktop will be usable by edgy time
[07:13] <OdyX> Riddell: and on kubuntu.org/support.php , "Kubuntu en franais" is a lot better too.
[07:14] <Riddell> hmm, RSS is strange
[07:14] <kwwii> Riddell: yeah, that is what I thought too
[07:14] <Riddell> OdyX: try now
[07:14] <OculusAquilae> Riddell: edgy time is after the technical-preview
[07:14] <OculusAquilae> or arount
[07:14] <OculusAquilae> or around
[07:14] <Riddell> OculusAquilae: I'll believe that timetable when I see it :)
[07:14] <OculusAquilae> :)
[07:15] <OculusAquilae> ok kde 4 is far away from usable at the moment
[07:16] <OdyX> Riddell: That's fine... Actually, kubuntuforums.net case should be discussed about french forums... It was planned to center everything on kubuntu-fr.org.. This has to be discussed
[07:17] <jpatrick> OdyX: kubuntu-es.org
[07:17] <jpatrick> like*
[07:17] <OdyX> jpatrick: yep...
[07:21] <nixternal> \sh: http://home.comcast.net/~nixternal/images/misc/Kbilliards.jpg   <-- just for you...i'm addicted...thanks!!!
[07:22] <\sh> nixternal: cool :)
[07:26] <\sh> nixternal: http://linux.blogweb.de/archives/214-Kubuntu-KBilliards-Addicts.html
[07:27] <\sh> nixternal: if you don't mind ;)
[08:05] <Lure> Riddell: I suspect hal is not used by KDE yet? I am looking how to solve laptop hotkey issue properly for edgy...
[08:06] <Lure> Riddell: gnome-settings-daemon is listening to hal keyboard events (faked events by hotkey-setup) and doing proper actions
[08:06] <\sh> Riddell: here is the hint to the patch for the removed kdm widget borders: http://websvn.kde.org/branches/KDE/3.5/kdebase/kdm/kfrontend/themer/kdmitem.cpp?rev=542140&view=log
[08:06] <Lure> Riddell: something similar we need to do somewhere in KDE (klaptop and kmilo are "the usual suspects" ;-))
[08:07] <\sh> Lure: I wonder if keytouch is a go? who reported it? toma was it :)
[08:08] <Lure> \sh: keytouch is nice for multimedia keyboards, but I am not sure if it is the way to go for laptop keys (that should work out of box)
[08:09] <\sh> Lure: if we can patch keytouch like this to receive linux key codes as well ;)
[08:09] <Lure> \sh: problem is that I might have external keyboard (multimedia) hooked to my laptop and would still love my laptop keys to work
[08:09] <Lure> I think you cannot have two "keyboards" active with keytouch 
[08:10] <\sh> Lure: keyboard handling is xorgs functionality right? I have to check keytouch, if not, I would like to patch kmilo
[08:11] <Lure> \sh: true, and some laptops have proper key layouts (mine is now supported in cvs version)
[08:12] <\sh> Lure: yes, but is kmilo receiving the linux keycodes or the correspondant xkb keycodes?
[08:12] <Lure> \sh: but it still requires switching layouts when having external keyboard (for example when docked), while "Ubuntu-way" hardcodes the laptop keys to always work
[08:13] <\sh> Lure: well, the problem is more to follow the acpi changes of mjg59...I don't even know, if it's possible to receive linux kernel keycodes in X
[08:13] <Lure> \sh: you do not need linux keycodes
[08:14] <\sh> Lure: for work with our acpi implementation you need them
[08:14] <\sh> s/for/to/
[08:14] <Lure> \sh: laptop keys generate hal event - see lshal -m and press laptop key
[08:14] <Lure> \sh: we just need to listen on hal events (dbus I suppose) and do proper action on key press
[08:15] <Lure> \sh: this is done by g-s-d in Dapper
[08:15] <\sh> Lure: I see...
[08:15] <\sh> platform_i8042_i8042_Kbd_Port_logicaldev_input condition ButtonPressed = coffee
[08:16] <Lure> \sh: I am just not sure if Riddell would be concerned if kmilo (or klaptop) would depend on dbus/hal
[08:17] <\sh> Lure: we need to fix this issue :)
[08:18] <Lure> \sh: I fully agree - this is the last thing not working out of the box on my nw8240 ;-)
[08:18] <\sh> Lure: for it worked in breezy
[08:18] <\sh> for me ;)
[08:18] <Lure> \sh: it did not work for me in breezy...
[08:18] <\sh> Lure: for me it's a regression...and we need to avoid those things 
[08:21] <Lure> \sh: do you think such change may be accepted into dapper-updates?
[08:22] <\sh> Lure: if it's not aggresive
[08:23] <Lure> my concern is that it may be seen like this (new package dependancies, quite some new code...)
[08:24] <\sh> Lure: well, the other possibility is just linux keycodes :) no new deps 
[08:24] <Lure> but - let's do it and we will see, if nothing else we can includi it in Riddels 3.5.3 packages that we all use ;-)
[08:24] <\sh> Lure: I don't :)
[08:34] <Riddell> Lure: KDE does use hal and I'd greatly welcome porting kmilo to it
[08:35] <Lure> Riddell: ok, I was just not sure this is the way to go
[08:36] <Riddell> certainly is
[08:36] <Lure> Riddell: I am more and more leaning towars klaptop/kmilo cleanup for Edgy than kpowersave
[08:36] <Riddell> Lure: why's that?
[08:37] <Lure> Riddell: powersave is duplicating a lot of stuff that acpi-support/hotkey-setup do better and it will be just a pain to replace
[08:37] <Lure> Riddell: I would still support (k)powersave, but only as alternative (as today)
[08:39] <Lure> Riddell: this could however be changed if direction of laptop support in ubuntu will change (on Paris meeting)
[08:40] <Riddell> so port klaptopdaemon to use dbus?
[08:40] <Riddell> marseillai: making a kded module should have docs in developer.kde.org, I don't understand what you mean about kioslave
[08:41] <Lure> Riddell: probably (unless you have candidati to write new one from scratch)
[08:42] <marseillai> Riddell: i'm thinking about creating a kded with configuration gui wich look at zeroconf:/ and try to do something with informations that it gives.
[08:43] <Riddell> do what?
[08:43] <marseillai> mount nfs share, mount samba share, configure print when they are share .....
[08:45] <\sh> marseillai: zeroconf is not enabled by default, and shouldn't be somehow ;)
[08:49] <marseillai> \sh: yes! let me explain my idee. avahi comes with a so poor configuration. and it's not really to use for something more than dhcp discover. and a gui for configuring share for client and server would great. you type apt-get install kavahigui on all your network, you run it on each computer and configure what can share to other computer and what to do when a new service come. and then after that everything is done
[08:49] <marseillai>  by the daemon ....
[08:50] <marseillai> not a good idea? i'm no use with linux programmation so may be it's hard to do but i don't see that as something too dificult ...
[08:56] <\sh> marseillai: I have to check zeroconf first and see it's real impact in a real life environment...because when someone installs it on his laptop, and connects to the office network and something terrible is going to happen, I don't know if this is good...for private use, ok :)
[08:57] <\sh> marseillai: I don't trust those new inventions from apple or ms ;)
[08:58] <marseillai> \sh: for me if it is a way to improve home network i trust it!
[08:58] <marseillai> make it easy to use and with many possibliities
[09:01] <nixternal> \sh: left ya comment....nice picture....i have been outside enjoying this Chicago weather...beautiful day here
[09:01] <\sh> nixternal: thx for the picture, i had to blog about this :)
[09:01] <nixternal> hehe..i seen...i left you comment there!!
[09:02] <\sh> nixternal: and upstream author is already informed ;)
[09:02] <nixternal> hehe...good deal
[09:23] <sebas> \sh: pong
[09:24] <\sh> sebas: hey...I wonder why I planetplanet has problems with your blog...-> query :)
[09:24] <sebas> Ok.
[09:25] <apachelogger> \sh: coz it's planetplanet
[09:29] <toma> planetplanet? pfff. i was glad i got rid of it
[09:30] <\sh> apachelogger: tell it to jdub ;)
[09:30] <apachelogger> \sh: who's jdub?
[09:31] <bddebian> Jeff Waugh
[09:31] <\sh> apachelogger: jeff waugh
[09:31] <apachelogger> should I know him?
[09:32] <apachelogger> me@morpheus:/var/www/planet$ cat AUTHORS
[09:32] <apachelogger> Scott James Remnant <scott@netsplit.com>
[09:32] <\sh> jdub is what? 2nd man behind sabdfl, community man, fantanstic speaker, and gnome fanatic
[09:32] <apachelogger> Jeff Waugh <jdub@perkypants.org>
[09:32] <apachelogger> omg!
[09:33] <\sh> ok keybuk's fault to create planetplanet but now ;)
[10:22] <verwilst_> Riddell: do you know wether kde printing is fixed in dapper?
[10:23] <toma> verwilst_: as in printing via ipp to an 1.1 cups server: no
[10:23] <\sh> verwilst_: regarding kurts articles, no
[10:25] <Lure> verwilst_: regarding "works for me", yes ;-)
[10:25] <verwilst_> well, it works for me too
[10:25] <verwilst_> but loads of articles say otherwise :)
[10:25] <verwilst_> i'm installing dapper somewhere nextweek for a family that now still has hoary
[10:26] <verwilst_> i don't want to inform em that they can't print anymore ;)
[10:26] <Lure> verwilst_: I just use TCP network printers (HP JetDirect) and local USB i550
[10:26] <imbrandon> i use a local hp psc 500 just fine
[10:26] <verwilst_> well it's a HP 845c, USB 
[10:27] <verwilst_> my deskjet 5150 works fine too
[10:27] <verwilst_> so i guess it'll be alright then :)
[10:28] <verwilst_> can't wait for edgy ;)
[10:29] <verwilst_> when will the repo's be added for it?
[10:30] <verwilst_> i've been running stable for too long now ;)
[10:31] <\sh> tomorrow is the launchdate
[10:31] <linuxmonkey> lmao
[10:35] <nixternal> hahaha
[11:25] <toma> wow, kbilliard is as real as it can get, i can't get those balls in the pocket
[11:25] <\sh> lol
[11:25] <\sh> everybody is playing kbilliard...I'm feeling like coming back from vacation...
[11:25] <\sh> I did this before with gajim, one of the best jabber clients for gnome (my apologies)
[11:26] <\sh> great
[11:26] <toma> you should  fix the logo on the table in your final package ;-)
[11:26] <\sh> toma: I have to fix more :) .desktop file, and if I know how he did this logo, as well the logo ;)
[11:27] <toma> haha
[11:27] <\sh> toma: but actually, it was my first package since a couple of months :)
[11:27] <toma> ah cool. Keep it up ;-)
[11:27] <\sh> and it has everything :) source bugfixes, packaging skills, everything...I'm proud ;)
[11:27] <toma> i had enough of packaging for a while, after some useless cups packages
[11:28] <\sh> toma: and "kick the upstream developer to provide good code"
[11:28] <toma> \sh: is he developing in kde svn?
[11:28] <\sh> toma: no
[11:28] <toma> ah, that explains ;-)
[11:28] <\sh> toma: the problem is, he develops on suse ;)
[11:29] <\sh> toma: and suse still ships qt3 libs with compat headers enabled
[11:29] <\sh> and not as debian/ubuntu in separate packages
[11:29] <\sh> toma: so he is using deprecated syntax and types...like qlist
[11:29] <toma> weee. non-standard menu and so on
[11:30] <toma> yak. 
[11:31] <\sh> toma: i mean, I'm not this qt3 hacker like I want to be, but from my past I know enough to tell , where he can fix his code
[11:31] <\sh> toma: he never read some include files of qt3...
[11:32] <toma> \sh: it might be his first app or something. seems like he's swimming a bit then
[11:33] <toma> \sh: some good remarks / hints /feedback from you should help out
[11:33] <\sh> toma: to write a billiard simulation, even if it's still no simulation but arcarde, he needs more knowledge of coding then I have ;)
[11:33] <toma> it's all a matter of math ;-)
[11:33] <toma> angle incoming = angle outgoing
[11:34] <\sh> toma: I gave up my studies of IT and economy when I was 24 ;) 
[11:34] <\sh> so the only math I did until now, is how to calculate netmasks 
[11:34] <toma> haha
[11:35] <toma> and there is a calculator for that
[11:35] <\sh> toma: hmm..I'm using ripe documents for looking up cidr notation ;)
[11:35] <\sh> just joking ;)
[11:36] <toma> ;-)
[11:36] <\sh> toma: no...I'm doing more database stuff :) 
[11:36] <\sh> and webapps
[11:36] <\sh> next to my sysadmin jobs :))
[11:37] <\sh>  /24 == 255.255.255.0 /25 == 255.255.255.128
[11:37] <toma> yes, well i keep confusing them. ;-)
[11:38] <\sh>  /24 is from 0 to 255 , /25 from 0-127 and 128-255 ;)
[11:38] <toma> *sigh*
[12:03] <kmon> anyone uses kviewshell?