[12:24] <WebMaven> I've filed a serious bug affecting users of Averatec 3200-series laptops. Would anyone here like to take a look?
[12:52] <BenC> WebMaven: it's already being looked at
[12:54] <WebMaven> BenC: OK. I just figured you said you were off the rest of the weekend.
[12:54] <BenC> most everyone is
[12:55] <infinity> What weekend?  It's Monday.
[12:55] <BenC> aussies and their weird days
[12:56] <infinity> Hey, I live in the future, man.  THE FUTURE.
[12:56] <infinity> We have flying cars here.
[12:56] <BenC> are they powered by kangaroos? :)
[12:56] <WebMaven> You could make a good living export jetpacks.
[12:56] <WebMaven> you know, like ' TO THE PAST.
[12:56] <infinity> WebMaven: You can't export to the past.  That's why Australia has a negative GNP.
[12:57] <WebMaven> Ah, I always wondered about that.
[12:57] <WebMaven> you can import from the future though...
[12:57] <infinity> If you could, you'd have a flying car too.  Do you?
[12:57] <infinity> I didn't think so.
[12:57] <WebMaven> No, can't afford the customs.
[12:58] <infinity> BenC: How soon after I announce that edgy can build do you want to upload?
[12:58] <infinity> BenC: Are you booting on all 6 arches now?
[12:59] <BenC> yep, it's building everywhere
[12:59] <BenC> and I'm using it on ia64, x86, x86_64 and powerpc without problems
[12:59] <infinity> Note that I said "booting". :)
[12:59] <BenC> hppa is a binutils/gcc bug
[12:59] <infinity> Ahh, right.  Haven't found a clever workaround for that yet?
[12:59] <BenC> sparc64 is good for 99% of the machines out there, just not mine
[12:59] <infinity> Typical.
[12:59] <BenC> nah, it's pretty horrible
[01:00] <infinity> I need to get a sparc box in my house somewhere.
[01:01] <WebMaven> But do this: start Python
[01:01] <WebMaven> and in python do this: >>> from __future__ import division
[01:02] <WebMaven> viola! importing from the future!
[01:02] <WebMaven> unfortunately, from __future__ import jetpack fails
[01:03] <WebMaven> BenC: Can I consider my bug confirmed at thisd point?
[01:04] <BenC> WebMaven: as I said before, you can consider it so, it's just a matter of state at this point before I assign it
[01:04] <WebMaven> OK.
[01:04] <WebMaven> Sorry for being so anxious. I really want to get my laptop working.
[01:07] <WebMaven> Also, regarding the dupe with #34958... which way should I mark the dupe?
[01:08] <infinity> If both have crap info, always make the new one a dupe of the old one.
[01:08] <infinity> If one bug in the set has lots of really good debugging info, I tend to make that they "master" bug, just cause.
[01:08] <WebMaven> I *think* mine has slightly better info, but I'm biased.
[01:09] <WebMaven> they both have good info.
[01:09] <infinity> Either way, they link to each other in the end, so it doesn't really matter.
[01:09] <infinity> Make sure the "master" bug has a good bug title, for people searching later, that's all.
[01:09] <infinity> (Cause the other one becomes effectively invisible to bug lists and simple searches)
[01:11] <BenC> sat signal strength going...storm is not very nice to my broadband...I may be going out here soon
[01:12] <infinity> BenC: Pull fiber to the farm.
[01:12] <WebMaven> OK.
[01:12] <infinity> BenC: Or MOVE SOMEWHERE WITH FEWER COWS.
[01:12] <infinity> *cough*
[01:13] <WebMaven> Yes. Because we all know the effect cows have on internet connectivity.
[01:13] <infinity> They do seem to relate.
[01:14] <infinity> Not many cows in the downtown core of a city, where you're alsmo more likely to find fiber criss-crossed every 18 inches in the ground.
[01:14] <crimsun> out of us all, BenC probably has the highest possibility of having ponies, though
[01:14] <infinity> crimsun: This is a good thing?
[01:14] <crimsun> ponies can only be good!
[01:15] <WebMaven> I want electricsheep. And a pony.
[01:17] <WebMaven> Ok, all three old bugs maked as dupes of mine.
[01:22] <infinity> dilinger: Depends on how much stuff you have installed.
[01:23] <infinity> dilinger: From a base debootstrap, "Really Well"... From a full desktop system, I make no guarantees. :)
[01:25] <dilinger> infinity: it's a server
[01:25] <dilinger> close enough to debootstrap, i think
[01:25] <infinity> Yeah, that should go smashingly well, then.
[01:26] <infinity> Make sure to add a pin-priority over 1000 to force downgrades if we have any (though we SHOULD be newer for everything)
[01:27] <infinity> Package: *
[01:27] <infinity> Pin: release a=dapper
[01:27] <infinity> Pin-Priority: 1001
[01:27] <infinity> In /etc/apt/preferences
[01:27] <infinity> And then go hard.
[01:27] <dilinger> infinity: also, i'm told IP-over-bovine, while a bit slower than carrier pigeon, is actually pretty robust.  benc just needs to parallelize his cows.
[01:28] <infinity> Painful round-trip if you lose a frame, though.
[01:29] <dilinger> but you get a hamburger out of the dropped frame
[01:30] <WebMaven> I don't like Bullian logic...
[01:33] <dilinger> interesting
[01:34] <dilinger> 8 packages downgraded w/ pinning
[01:34] <infinity> Care to tell me which ones, so I make sure we get them in sync for edgy? :)
[01:35] <dilinger> they're actually all just same versions
[01:35] <dilinger> The following packages will be DOWNGRADED: ed host libatm1 libgdbm3 libgdbmg1 libident libpcap0.7 reiserfsprogs
[01:36] <dilinger> the sarge versions match the dapper ones
[01:36] <infinity> Ahh.  But pinning is still The Right Thing in that case, so you get our builds of the binaries instead of the Debian builds.
[01:37] <dilinger> indeed
[01:37] <BenC> there's 12 cows, maybe I can get them to mozy over to the cable drop and pull a few thousand feet of coax
[04:47] <zul> BenC: ping
[04:48] <BenC> zul: pong
[04:48] <zul> BenC: i probaly ask this question before but we can blacklist noapic motherboards cant we?
[04:48] <zul> my memory is a sieve
[04:49] <BenC> yeah, should be able to
[04:50] <zul> in  arch/i386/kernel/acpi/boot.c it doesnt mention anything about disable_ioapic_setup though
[04:59] <zul> meh...ill play with it later...night night
[10:02] <roh> hi there
[10:03] <roh> i've notified a very strange problem here on my thinkpad which is not in the bugtracker, but it seems i cannot file bugs there
[10:03] <mjg59> Which bugtracker?
[10:03] <roh> the one accessible from the launchpad
[10:03] <mjg59> You ought to be able to file bugs there...
[10:03] <roh> it says the kernel is not in malone
[10:03] <mjg59> How are you trying to file it?
[10:04] <mjg59> Try https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+filebug and then choose linux-source-2.6.15 as the source package
[10:04] <roh> hm.
[10:05] <roh> i have a patch. its 2 lines
[10:05] <roh> -# CONFIG_CPU_FREQ_DEBUG is not set
[10:05] <roh> +CONFIG_CPU_FREQ_DEBUG=y
[10:05] <mjg59> Hm. What's the reasoning?
[10:05] <roh> debugging is off by default in the runtime. so it only changes some macros to be compiled in.
[10:05] <mjg59> Yes
[10:05] <roh> and that changes runtime behaviour.. 
[10:06] <mjg59> That doesn't really answer my question :)
[10:06] <roh> without speedstep-smi does not work at all. the module does not find the hardware to be working
[10:06] <mjg59> The speedstep-smi issue is already known
[10:06] <roh> at least on my thinkpad x20
[10:07] <mjg59> I believe it's being fixed properly (rather than depending on the debug stuff)
[10:09] <roh> that would be nice... but eventually not trivial without a lot of testsystems at hand
[10:10] <roh> i looked into the code and couldn't find anything that looked like a thinko and not like 'timing'.. i didn't try adding some delays though
[10:16] <roh> mjg59 do you have a link for me where the speedstep-smi issue is already listed as bug?
[01:50] <zul> heylo
[01:58] <zul> BenC: did you grab crimsun's changes on the mailing list
[03:34] <zul> hey mdz 
[03:36] <mdz> morning
[03:38] <ajmitch> morning mdz 
[06:18] <BenC> lamont: ping
[06:39] <zul> do do do
[06:40] <ajmitch> don't?
[07:10] <zul> BenC: ping...so whats the verdict?
[07:10] <BenC> zul: almost done
[07:46] <zul> heh...is it that bad?
[07:47] <BenC> nah, just being swamped at the moment
[07:47] <BenC> doing 15 different things at once
[09:58] <lamont> BenC: ack
[10:01] <zul> whee...i convinced my boss to switch to ubuntu
[10:10] <BenC> lamont: Can you moderate some stuff though kernel-team please?
[10:10] <BenC> I think desrt has some patches on hold
[10:11] <lamont> sure
[10:11] <BenC> thanks
[10:11] <BenC> if you email me the password pgp encrypted, I can do some moderation too
[10:12] <lamont> moderated.  and desrt added to the accepted list
[10:20] <zul> later