=== Cas_ [n=cas@83.98.233.2] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Cas [n=cas@83.98.233.2] has joined #ubuntu-motu === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #ubuntu-motu === abelcheung_ [n=abelcheu@221.127.103.63] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu === _ion [i=johan@kiviniemi.name] has joined #ubuntu-motu === FliesLikeALap [n=Ryan@ool-45796272.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === FliesLikeABrick [n=Ryan@about/rpi/rawdor] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bddebian [n=bdefrees@71.224.172.103] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:08] Heya gang [01:08] hello bddebian ;) [01:08] Hello Bluekuja [01:09] hi bddebian, again [01:10] Heh [01:11] home made rack from a guy in #programmeur: http://www.mathnet.org/rackmount/ worthy of mention === Sergi0 [n=serge@ip227-28-166-62.adsl.versatel.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:16] What's the difference between the MOTU team and the ubuntu-dev teams in Launchpad? [01:16] not a whole lot [01:16] the ubuntu-dev team are the people who have upload rights to Universe/Multiverse [01:16] well, I guess MOTUs should be mostly be focus around maintaining Universe packages, but I think that this frontier has been blured quite a bit. [01:17] morning :) [01:17] BlueT_: 'vening [01:17] the motu LP team is around for somewhat historical reasons [01:17] for the universe-bugs [01:17] ML [01:18] LaserJock: Oh, ok. That makes sense. The description for ubuntu-dev reads: "This is the "Masters of the Universe", the general Ubuntu development team which has full upload rights to universe and multiverse" :-) [01:18] shawarma: right, so the ubuntu-dev LP team is the real MOTUs [01:18] the motu list was for people to get Universe bug reports, I believe [01:19] Ok. [01:19] yep, so we could avoid spamming core-dev [01:19] but we love spamming them :-) [01:19] Yeah we do :-) [01:20] you might, but I value my insanity /and/ my lifespan [01:21] hehe, well it is at least nice to seperate out the bugs by Main vs Universe === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jinty [n=jinty@242.Red-83-49-54.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:28] why is that people /always/ file wishlist bugs /after/ final release? === crimsun grumbles === _czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-055-178.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:29] because they wish that the distro had done it before release :-) [01:29] I have suddenly been blessed with a lot more spare time and so I feel it's time to get back in the MOTU game... What would make sense to do right now? It's my impression that stuff has to be REALLY important to go into Dapper and it's going to be a while before merging from Debian becomes a big thing.. What do you guys do these days? [01:30] the only things that will enter dapper-updates are really critical bugfixes [01:30] shawarma: I think the edgy repos will open fairly shortly [01:30] edgy should be open within two days, and the massive sync trawl will begin [01:30] s/with// [01:30] Ok. Yeah, and then it's pretty obvious what I should be doing. :-) [01:31] yeah, I think that will be good. I'd like to test some things in edgy before I do -updates [01:31] personally I'm drowning in bug reports, and I have three presentations to give this week, so I'll probably be doing not-very-much unless it blows up someone's computer [01:32] I've been away from any proper Ubuntu work for the last 6 months or so.. Has there been any big changes in procedure? Do I still upload stuff to REVU and ping someone with the proper privileges? [01:32] 3 presentatons? ouch. [01:32] shawarma: more or less, we are using LP more [01:32] using LP teams [01:33] LaserJock: (well, 5, but the dapper ones for LUGs I'm not counting) [01:33] LaserJock: I see.. How do I upload stuff to LP? [01:33] shawarma: well, you can attach debdiffs to bug reports and assign the motu-reviewers team to get it uploaded [01:34] but REVU is still used for new packages [01:34] LaserJock: I was thinking more in terms for merges from Debian. [01:34] s/in terms for/in terms of/ [01:35] shawarma: I think we will probably use a script on the REVU server and file bugs/attach debdiffs [01:35] we did that for Dapper towards the end before UVF [01:36] Hmm.... I'm not sure what you mean, but it'll probably all be glaringly obvious when it becomes relevant in the next few days. :-) [01:36] yes [01:37] So the short story is that right now, there's not a whole lot of stuff I can do to help out? [01:38] hmm, I guess there is still bug triaging, we've got lots of uncomfirmed bugs out there [01:39] I suppose. === NthDegree [n=WhoStole@194-247-226-35.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:41] er.. the MOTU bugs link in topic is broken. Does anyone have it lying around so a new tinyurl can be created? [01:42] oh... it might be tinyurl that's b0rken. [01:42] None of the links work right now. [01:46] It's definitely tinyrl that's b0rken, so never mind. [01:46] tinyurl, even. [01:47] 516MB of packages to pull [01:47] dapper - 1.5month [01:47] w00t [01:47] shawarma: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bugs?field.searchtext=&orderby=-priority%2C-severity&field.status%3Alist=Unconfirmed&field.status%3Alist=Needs+Info&field.status%3Alist=Confirmed&field.status%3Alist=In+Progress&field.status%3Alist=Fix+Committed&assignee_option=any&field.assignee=&field.owner=&field.component=4&field.component=3&field.component-empty-marker=1&field.omit_dupes.used=&field.omit_dupes=on&field.has_patch.used=&fie [01:47] ouch [01:47] oh freaking heck that is huge [01:48] Yeah. No wonder it was tinyurl'ed. === Sergi0 [n=serge@ip227-28-166-62.adsl.versatel.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === chuck_ [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === irvin [n=irvin@ubuntu/member/irvin] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:20] hmm, does anybody remember how to tell netstat to not resolve ips and just show ip numbers intead of hostnmaes? [02:22] -n ? [02:23] yes, -n === irvin [n=irvin@ubuntu/member/irvin] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:33] darn, specs are very hard to wade through === lastnode [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Optocus [i=Optocus@tor/session/direct/x-a8be2273ba808cc9] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:18] opera from the ubuntu repo won't install on dapper [03:18] any idea why? [03:19] that's a #ubuntu question. Use the Debian etch/testing package. === DarkMageZ [n=DarkMage@ppp15-128.lns2.syd7.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:19] crimsun: i thought they would send me to motu because opera is not quite official [03:20] Optocus: no, it's a "daily use" question. [03:21] crimsun: it is an xlibs dep problem [03:21] crimsun: i just wanted to mention this [03:21] that's beyond our control. Opera operates their repo, not us. [03:22] crimsun: just in case, this is what apt-get says "Depends: xlib6g (>=3.3.6) but it is not installable or xlibs but it is not installable" [03:22] crimsun: i see [03:23] Optocus, it has been known that if you grab xlibs from the breezy repo, then install opera, it works fine [03:23] DarkMageZ: cool! thanks [03:24] DarkMageZ: any idea which breezy repo that is? [03:24] no, /don't/ do that [03:24] DarkMageZ: i mean, is it in the universe or the multiverse? [03:24] use the Debian etch/testing package [03:24] it has the proper dependencies. Someone needs to punch Opera in the guts. [03:24] crimsun: of xlibs or of opera? [03:24] of Opera [03:25] I'm referring to 9 beta, btw [03:25] crimsun: but isn't this just the repo you recommend: "http://deb.opera.com/opera/ etch" [03:25] crimsun: this opera won't work! [03:25] god no [03:26] crimsun: really! i myself am aware it's very strange [03:26] http://www.opera.com/download/index.dml?opsys=Linux%20i386&lng=en&ver=9.0b2&platform=Linux%20i386&local=y [03:29] crimsun: thank you. it's a good suggestion: i heard opera 9 is stable anyway. [03:30] crimsun: btw, do you think they will soon solve the problem in the repo? is it of any help that i anounced you about it? [03:30] Optocus: we can't do anything about their repo. [03:30] and I have no idea if/when they'll fix it [03:31] crimsun: can't we just add xlibs (or whatever they require) in our repos? it seems this dep is the only problem. [03:31] Optocus: no, we obsoleted xlibs as of breezy. [03:31] modular X.Org -> libx11-6 et al. === lukaswayne9 [n=lukas@c-68-84-69-12.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === blanky [n=jorge@pool-71-104-117-215.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:39] hey what's up [03:40] crimsun: neither does konqueror nor links want to download opera [03:40] crimsun: they open it as a text file [03:40] crimsun: which is silly [03:41] http://www.opera.com/download/get.pl?id=28026,&location=131¬hanks=yes&sub=marine works for me [03:43] crimsun: neither does this last url work, but at least this one works in wget. so i simply wgot opera. [03:43] crimsun: thank you [03:46] crimsun, that opera 9 beta 2 you linked us to, still depends on xlibs :S [03:46] crimsun: same deps requiring :(( [03:46] yes [03:50] Optocus: hmm? I get nothing of the sort. === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:50] Optocus: you /are/ talking about opera_9.0-20060518.6-shared-qt_en_etch_i386.deb, correct? [03:50] crimsun: yes [03:50] crimsun: exactly what you gave me [03:50] crimsun: are you using dapper? [03:50] Optocus: then you just need to apt-get -f install [03:51] it'll pull in the empty transitional xlibs package [03:51] crimsun: oh, this is the method you're using? === sander_m [n=sander@a82-92-145-91.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:51] Optocus: I used gdebi the second time around, but this method I just described works just fine [03:53] crimsun: now it says i have a broken package on my system, but opera works. is it wrong? (and thanks anyway) [03:53] what broken package? And really, these are #ubuntu questions [03:53] crimsun: opera is broken (in synaptic) [03:54] Optocus: ``sudo apt-get check'' confirms that? [03:54] crimsun: sorry for being offtopic here, but the only reason i continued here was that all my other replies are here :( [03:54] Fuck, I can't fix shit anymore [03:56] bddebian: b.s. :p [03:56] No, not B.S. :-( === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-motu === pschulz01 [n=paul@eth6067.sa.adsl.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:58] Hello all. I have a quick question: I have developed a Hearts game for GNOME (www.gnome-hearts.org) and I am busy packaging it for Debian (waiting for #369928 to get uploaded). Should I build and upload a separate ubuntu package for MOTU/REVU or can I simply have the Debian package automatically imported and rebuilt in Ubuntu? [03:59] sander_m: either would work, the latter is preferable [04:00] Why? [04:00] why what? [04:01] "why is my pony from bddebian delayed in the post?" [04:01] Lathiat: Thanks. How would I go about it? Most of the wiki seems to be about manual repackaging of existing packages. [04:01] Why if it got in Debian would we want to see it on REVU? [04:01] bddebian: i said the latter is preferable [04:01] crimsun: Damn mail server :-) [04:01] Lathiat: Oh, hehe, sorry I read that wrong [04:02] sander_m: You mean how to get the package in Debian? [04:02] sander_m: don't worry about the Ubuntu side right now. Get it into Debian, and it'll be synced into Ubuntu. [04:02] No, I have that covered. How do I get it into Ubuntu after it has been accepted in debian unstable [04:02] ah, okay :-) I thought I had to request a sync of my package or something somewhere [04:03] It'll get synced automagically IMHO [04:03] Does syncing cover rebuilding as well? It's a C package so there are glibc6 dependency conflicts between debian and ubuntu builds [04:04] yep === NthDegree [n=NthDegre@194-247-226-35.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:04] the source is taken, binary rebuilt [04:04] sander_m: is it a versioned b-d? [04:04] does anyone know how to change the default make settings? [04:05] the debian version is hearts_0.1-1. [04:05] I imagine that the ubuntu version would become hearts_0.1-1ubuntu1 [04:05] sander_m: no, hearts_0.1-1 unless we have to make a change. === blanky [n=jorge@pool-71-104-117-215.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Ex-Chat"] [04:06] a straight sync is a straight "pull source, throw at buildd" thing [04:07] No changes needed AFAIK. I built a dapper backage with pbuilder and it works [04:07] s/backage/package [04:07] then you have to do nothing. [04:07] How ofter are (new) packages synced? [04:08] depends on the development period [04:08] i figure open of edgy there'l be a big mass sync and will continue for a bit [04:08] not sure on the schedule [04:08] Ah, good. I had hoped to be in time for edgy [04:09] YOu are in advance for Edgy. It's not open yet. [04:10] One more question: Are there different universe versions for breezy, dapper, edgy, etcetera? Or is it one big universe and will breezy/dapper people be able to install hearts from universe as well after the sync? === lastnode [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:11] no its per release [04:11] sander_m: same as in Debian. [04:12] And the sync will sync it for all releases? Or should I still use REVU for older releases? [04:13] older releases dont really get changed === blanky [n=jorge@pool-71-104-117-215.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:13] hey [04:14] So, if my package gets synced with the edgy mass-sync then dapper people won't be able to use it? [04:14] correct [04:15] well, they won't be able to use it right off the bat. [04:15] it can always be backported into dapper-backports [04:16] Ah, I understand. And what group handles the backports? [04:16] no real group. [04:16] well, the archive team processes requests, I suppose [04:16] Under what rules a package can be backported? [04:17] it has to build unchanged from current development on $stable [04:17] unchanged? [04:17] meaning no changes to dependencies too? [04:18] Ah, just found https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBackports - I'll just file a bug in backports after the sync. [04:19] Thanks for all the info :-) === Erlang looks at the page too. === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === freeflying|away [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lastnode [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:59] afternoon all === \sh [n=shermann@xdsl-81-173-249-156.netcologne.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:05] Heya ajmitch [05:05] <\sh> moins [05:05] hey bddebian, \sh === No1Viking [n=micke@h-83-140-104-3.ip.rixbredband.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:08] <\sh> ajmitch: did you ever managed to get a i386 pbuilder on amd64? (no i don't mean debootstrap that works) [05:09] hm? [05:09] why is that so hard? [05:09] I don't think I've setup a new pbuilder here for awhile, just copied the ones I had [05:10] <\sh> ajmitch: normally not, --debootstrapopts="--arch=i386" but it doesn't work :( a normal debootstrap does work... === lastnode [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:15] <\sh> oh and somehow pammount and dm-crypt devices are not working together, even if pammount and cryptosetup says different [05:15] <\sh> grrr [05:15] <\sh> or I'm too stoopid === lastnode [n=lastnode@220.247.247.36] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lastnode [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:47] crimsun: what if we just added xlibs (which is about 90 kb only!) to dapper, just as a dep for opera, and just for now? [05:49] <\sh> Optocus: for what? [05:49] crimsun: \sh please read our discussion about two hour earlier [05:49] \sh: Opera [05:49] <\sh> Optocus: opera should provide a special ubuntu package, and not broken packages if they want to support ubuntu users [05:50] \sh please read our discussion about two hour earlier [05:50] sorry [05:50] \sh: only for now [05:50] \sh: please? :D [05:50] <\sh> Optocus: what is "for now"? now is "edgy"...not dapper anymore :) [05:51] \sh: about pbuilder and debootstrap... [05:51] \sh: have you tried [05:51] something like [05:51] <\sh> Optocus: please write opera to provide new packages [05:51] --debootstrapopt --arch --debootstrapopt i386 ? [05:51] <\sh> Erlang: yes [05:51] <\sh> Erlang: and I read http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pbuilder-maint/2005-October/000019.html [05:52] <\sh> Erlang: no change on dapper...i still fetches amd64 packages and not like debootstrap only i386 packages :( [05:52] <\sh> Erlang: I have a i386 debootstrap chroot running on my amd64 box, but I won't succeed in pbuilder :( [05:52] ok. I had falses hopes it was actually working yesterday. [05:53] \sh: I thought about creating a pbuilder .tgz for i386 on a 32 bit chroot and then moving it out to the AMD64. [05:54] <\sh> Erlang: that would be one possible solution for people which have i386 machines :) [05:54] <\sh> s/which/who/ [05:55] <\sh> Erlang: but it's documented on pbuilders homepage and on some other resources, so it should work somehow [05:55] well, I mean creating it in the i386 chroot. Creating a i386 chroot on a i386 chroot works right? [05:55] <\sh> Erlang: should... [05:55] it doesn't? [05:55] <\sh> I will try [05:55] I have not tried myself... [05:56] One could even create an pbuilder tgz inside a qemu VM. [05:58] <\sh> Optocus: the other possibility is that opera is releasing the source, so that real packager can package it the correct way [05:59] \sh: i then hope they will release their source soon [05:59] <\sh> Optocus: they won't :) [05:59] \sh: well, then this is not "another possibility" :) [05:59] \sh: poke me if it works. I'm away. [05:59] Seveas: you there? [05:59] <\sh> Erlang: k [06:00] Seveas: (i hope you followed our opera discussion) please add xlibs to your repo (for dapper): it is the only way opera can be installed for now. you find it in breezy and it's just about 90kb. === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Gloubiboulga [n=gauvain@ubuntu/member/gloubiboulga] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lastnode_ [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:11] Gnight folks [06:11] <\sh> cu bddebian good night :) [06:11] :-) === Fujitsu [n=fujitsu@c211-28-183-112.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === DarkMageZ [n=DarkMage@ppp15-128.lns2.syd7.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ealden [n=ealden@203.76.211.204] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lakin [n=lakin@S01060013101832ce.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:49] hi everyone [06:49] <\sh> moins Hobbsee === freeflying-g4 [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Bazzi [n=Bastian@p50803691.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ealden [n=ealden@203.76.211.204] has joined #ubuntu-motu === theCore [n=alex@modemcable240.218-70-69.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === freeflying|away [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lastnode_ [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:27] Seveas: are you there? [07:27] <\sh> it's 7:27 in germany and netherlands ;) [07:28] \sh: your reasoning? no one should ever sleep :P [07:28] <\sh> Optocus: I wonder if dennis is awake...he's not crazy like me to get up at 3 o'clock :) [07:28] <\sh> which is 1:00 UTC [07:31] \sh: dennis is seveas? === lastnode__ [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:32] <\sh> Optocus: yes...whois seveas [07:37] woot! [07:38] hey Laser_away [07:39] I got Dapper installed on my laptop [07:44] <\sh> Laser_away: already did it many times *eg* [07:45] hehe [07:45] this laptop has never seen linux === Hobbsee makes a mental note to go back and install edgy some time, for when the repos open. [07:45] it is my wifes [07:45] but I"m going to need to take it to Paris [07:45] so it needed a makeover ;-) [07:46] 'cause I think I'd be kicked out if I showed up with my Windows XP+Putty setup :-) [07:46] Laser_away: you're going to Paris? [07:47] hi, by the way ;) [07:47] tritium: yes, I got sponsored [07:47] and hi! [07:47] Ah, nice. Congrats. :) [07:48] thanks, I really didn't expect it [07:49] next thing you know you'll be working fulltime for them... [07:49] Cool. I just got back home from my 10 yr. reunion [07:49] hi ajmitch [07:49] ajmitch: I think not [07:49] hello tritium [07:49] Laser_away: I didn't say you'd get paid ;) [07:49] I'm realizing just how terrible I am at this and I really do like chemistry [07:50] hey tritium [07:50] hey ajmitch [07:50] hello Hobbsee [07:50] although I'm starting to think about scientific software development [07:50] <\sh> Laser_away: congrats for the sponsoring :) you will have a nice time in paris ;) let raphink show you the hidden places in paris where men have to go when they are in paris ;) [07:51] Hi Hobbsee [07:51] \sh: I'm not sure if raphink will be there (he got a job in Nice) and I should probably stay away from hidden places ;-) [07:52] <\sh> Laser_away: I think he will be there :) === ajmitch certainly won't be there [07:52] he was talking about comming up for the weekend since it is hi birthday and his parents are in Paris === \sh neither...no time [07:52] \sh: that's a shame [07:52] ajmitch: that is too bad, really [07:53] it happens [07:53] <\sh> ajmitch: Monday 19th to Friday 23rd June 2006, won't fit in my time schedule...if it was over the weekend, I could have tried [07:54] it wasn't too likely that I would have been sponsored :) [07:54] \sh: I'm the same, I can't be away that week [07:56] <\sh> ajmitch: but for me it's just a couple of kilometers away, for you several thousands ;) [07:56] yes, it'd be at least 2 days flying :) [07:57] I would almost rather have waited for a dev conference when more of the people I know (MOTUs and doc people) were there [07:57] why? === ivoks [n=ivoks@ubuntu/member/ivoks] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:57] because I'd like to meet you guys (and Hobbsee) in person some time [07:58] Laser_away: that could be fun :) [07:58] maybe in another couple of years === Hobbsee curses the doorbell. [07:59] Laser_away: is there some form of conference that we're more likely to all be at? [08:00] a big, canonical-funded release party? [08:00] Laser_away: um, are you really _away? [08:00] ajmitch: mmm...could be fun :) [08:01] <\sh> ajmitch: but we need to have a place which is in the middle of the earth ;) [08:01] <\sh> the same distance for everyone [08:01] <\sh> which could be a ship...in the middle of the pacific ocean [08:02] <\sh> MS Shuttleworth ;) [08:02] \sh: antarctica? [08:02] Optocus: I should be and I was too lazy to change my nick [08:02] <\sh> Hobbsee: most likely [08:02] <\sh> This is a summary of all `failed' messages and warnings: [08:02] <\sh> `pdfetex -ini -jobname=latex -progname=latex -translate-file=cp227.tcx *latex.ini' failed [08:02] <\sh> `pdfetex -ini -jobname=pdflatex -progname=pdflatex -translate-file=cp227.tcx *pdflatex.ini' failed [08:02] <\sh> `etex -ini -jobname=jadetex -progname=jadetex &latex jadetex.ini' failed [08:02] <\sh> `pdfetex -ini -jobname=pdfjadetex -progname=pdfjadetex &pdflatex pdfjadetex.ini' failed [08:02] <\sh> joy [08:02] most regular flights to antarctica go from NZ [08:02] Hobbsee: I thought you didn't like the cold? [08:02] ajmitch: i dont. [08:03] \sh: shouldn't it be Mr Shuttleworth? [08:03] \sh: i mean.. why Ms? [08:03] ajmitch: snow is fun though - and worth doubling my body mass for, with the addition of many warm jackets :P [08:04] <\sh> Optocus: MS because most of the big ocean ships are named MS [08:04] \sh: oh, didn't make the connection [08:05] \sh: mother ship [08:05] oh...i notice that either :P [08:05] ivoks: gotcha [08:05] \sh: you can find MS only on boots that are from that ship [08:05] like rescue boats :) [08:05] s/boots/boats :) === lastnode_ [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:06] <\sh> ivoks: no..e.g. MS AIDAAURA [08:07] isn't MS more of a british term [08:07] <\sh> Length: 203.2m - width: 28.1m - gauge: 6.3m [08:07] ajmitch: besides, in really cold places, they tend to have fireplaces :) [08:08] not here === lastnode_ [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ajmitch will need thawing out soon [08:08] I'm not terribly fond of the cold, and I'm not terribly fond of heat. I like it in between [08:08] <\sh> http://www.cruiseferry.de/dschiffe.html [08:08] ajmitch: hehe - just dont freeze before your plane trip :P [08:08] \sh: but.... the name of the ship is AIDAura [08:08] ajmitch: then you can thaw out [08:08] <\sh> ivoks: no it's MS AIDAURA :) [08:09] \sh: http://www.kreuzfahrten-pool.de/aidaaura-8-S.html [08:09] \sh: or http://www.cruiseferry.de/aidaaura.html [08:09] oh, the british use HMS (His/Her Majesty's Ship or something) === lastnode_ [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:09] <\sh> ivoks: "Kreuzfahrtschiff MS AIDAaura" the headline ;) [08:10] ms is... ah, let's drop it... [08:10] <\sh> doesn't matter === lastnode_ [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:11] darn, 424 packages to update, I should have just downloaded the final .iso instead of trying to use the Beta [08:12] it's so annoying, not having anything to update each day [08:12] I should go back to debian so I can get my daily fix [08:12] I know [08:13] I keep apt-get updating in hopes of something from dapper-updates [08:13] ajmitch: well... [08:13] hehe! so that's not only me then! [08:13] ajmitch: if you have printers and want to test something... === Hobbsee thinks that there needs to be a DUA group. [08:13] DUA? [08:13] (dist-upgrade anonymous) [08:14] hehe [08:14] ivoks: 1 printer, using jetdirect protocol [08:14] then again, i will get to reinstall probably - from flight 4, then dist-upgrade to edgy. or something. [08:15] ajmitch: well, just for the sake of fun, you can put http://www.grad.hr/~ivoks/ubuntu/cups in your sources.list :) [08:15] ajmitch: maybe you should keep an experimental chroot around to feed your habit [08:16] Laser_away: I do [08:16] ivoks: is that because you got blasted by the other guy, the other day? :P [08:16] er, scratch that. [08:16] ivoks: what's so special about this package? [08:16] Hobbsee: no, that guy has some mental issues :) [08:16] i dont know *where* i was going with that. [08:17] ivoks: hehe - i was watching it - but decided to stay well awya from it :P [08:17] Hobbsee: but cups in dapper has some seriuos bugs === ajmitch has no idea what Hobbsee is talking about [08:17] <\sh> ivoks: your package doesn't fix them all ;) [08:17] ivoks: tell me about it. more to the point, dont tell me, i already know, and i've already seen so many complaints over it. [08:17] \sh: that's true, but fixes at least 10 of them, which is 10% :) [08:17] <\sh> ivoks: read kurt pfeifles blog entries on planet.kde.org [08:18] ajmitch: #kubuntu a few days back - some guy ranting. [08:18] \sh: i did... that's the guy with mental issues :) === Hobbsee suspects she doesnt know what she's talking about either :P [08:18] <\sh> ivoks: no...it's the guy who drank beer with us and Till from Linuxprinting.org ;) [08:18] Hobbsee: that guy actually ranted on Slashdot too [08:18] tritium: *groan* [08:18] \sh: that's the guy that doesn't understand what's feature freeze [08:19] ivoks: most don't [08:19] but who is this person? [08:19] <\sh> ivoks: the discussion about cups 1.2 svn version started already in the beginning of dapper [08:19] neither do a lot of MOTUs and core-devs :-) [08:19] \sh: i don't want to talk about KDE untill they *do* something with kdeprinting [08:19] <\sh> ivoks: and till and kurt were talking about this all the time. [08:19] <\sh> ivoks: till is not kde, but cups [08:20] \sh: i know, but this ranting guy is from KDE [08:20] hmm, I've never had a problem with cups, but I really don't use it much [08:20] instead of ranting, they could at least change website for kde printing, which states Latest News: 2002. [08:20] <\sh> ivoks: are you going to paris? most likely you will meet him :) [08:21] \sh: no, i'm not [08:21] ivoks: and on that note, what a *pity* that you wont get the great honour of meeting him :P [08:21] <\sh> ivoks: ok..then you have to come to cologne in november to the linux world expo :) [08:21] \sh: hardly... i don't like KDE :) [08:21] <\sh> ivoks: no to meet me ;) [08:23] that guy wanted us to include snmp discovery which: a) was included after feature freeze and b) didn't compile on all platforms [08:23] and i'm not sure it's even fixed in 1.2.1 [08:23] :) [08:25] <\sh> well, as I said the last time: the problem will be fixed, if you throw away your printer and just use pdf as print out [08:25] otoh, he has a point with livecd bugs === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ajmitch needs more RAM in this laptop [08:26] or I could close firefox... [08:27] time to go... [08:27] see you guys [08:27] anybody have any idea at about what time Seveas comes online? [08:28] ajmitch: haha. close firefox :P [08:28] ajmitch: it's been open only three weeks, right? [08:29] 3 days :P [08:29] ajmitch 426 2.2 34.4 621892 352748 ? Rl Jun02 115:28 /usr/lib/firefox/firefox-bin -a firefox [08:29] bah. pathetic. :P [08:30] Hobbsee: do you use FF or konqi? === \sh wants to have xgl removed from peoples brain until it's really, and I mean really, usable [08:30] Laser_away: firefox for webbrowsing. of course. [08:30] <\sh> all those ricers [08:31] \sh: what's xgl? ;-) [08:31] hehe [08:31] Hobbsee: of course? lots of KDErs use konqi for web browsing [08:31] Laser_away: true [08:31] <\sh> Laser_away: konqui only...because it's fast :) === Hobbsee only ever has to use konqi very occasionally for webbrowsing [08:32] for the howto, for getting the mozilla binaries of firefox :P [08:32] \sh, xgl & compiz are really useable, it depends on how well you setup your system [08:32] \sh: but ubuntu is the new ricer distro [08:32] <\sh> DarkMageZ: no..it's a pain for users....with all this ati and nvidia crap..... [08:33] \sh, you want some help? ati or nvidia be you? [08:33] heh [08:33] Laser_away: what is konqi? is it a nickname for konqueror? [08:34] Optocus: yes [08:34] <\sh> DarkMageZ: no..i'm on i915 and I don't want to have a work processor which is flying in 3d space or waving around [08:34] I don't use X enough to warrant using Xgl, so I've never even tried it [08:34] & i915 really isn't that fast [08:34] Laser_away: it's just extra shiny bling, nothing really useful [08:35] <\sh> ajmitch: not on this r200 ;) [08:35] ajmitch: aiglx is much better for intel cards [08:35] whiprush_: I know [08:35] I have it on my X40 with an i855 and it's not so bad. [08:35] \sh: why do you say that? [08:35] too bad to use everyday though. [08:35] whiprush_: thanks, i'll have to remember that. === ajmitch has an i915 in his laptop, it's not really that wonderful for opengl - can't play doom3 on it :) [08:35] aiglx is in x7.1 anyway isn't it? [08:35] <\sh> whiprush_: but aiglx is a different approach :) [08:35] yeah [08:36] different implementation, same basic idea [08:36] \sh, well, if u want to not hear xgl stuff, tell them they are in the wrong channel, and point them to #ubuntu-xgl :) [08:36] well, you can run compiz on both, so you're stuck with the same bugginess anyway. :D === ajmitch even considered setting up xgl with his cheap nvidia card, but it'd be too much like hard work [08:36] <\sh> ajmitch: because with 1.2GHz and 1.2kg...and the heat, you know [08:37] heh [08:37] yeah, my laptop's a 2GHz thing, 1GB RAM [08:37] <\sh> DarkMageZ: the problem is, that they are trying out unsupported software...and then they are pissed, if I tell them: go away, xgl is unsupported, you are alone [08:37] <\sh> DarkMageZ: or write to novell === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:38] <\sh> on german channels that is === kagou [n=kagou@88-136-0-177.adslgp.cegetel.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:39] hi [08:40] \sh, oh, i see, since we don't support german in #ubuntu-xgl they bug people in the ubuntu-german huh? [08:43] <\sh> DarkMageZ: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2006-June/080790.html not only on german channels ;) [08:43] <\sh> oh joy [08:44] hmm, i don't have any idea's for the german channel, but for the english, compiz.net or #ubuntu-xgl is where to tell em to go :) [08:45] <\sh> DarkMageZ: or don't use xgl at all, because it's unsupported ;) [08:45] <\sh> DarkMageZ: and wait for official releases with support [08:45] or both :) [08:45] <\sh> Hobbsee: what was the QList replacement in qt3? ;) [08:46] \sh: what? no idea, i only heard about qlist yesterday... === ajmitch might wait for xgl in edgy [08:48] <\sh> bah...this source is crap [08:48] heh [08:48] <\sh> ajmitch: oh well, qlist is still valid in qt1/2 but not in qt3 :( [08:48] you're trying to port some really old source? [08:51] <\sh> ajmitch: no..it should work with qt3 ...but somehow it's build on SuSE...novell crap [08:53] typical [08:54] <\sh> and qlist.h is deprecated for qt3, and replaced by qvaluelist in qvariant.h ... oh joy...patching === tuxmaniac [n=aanjhan@59.92.41.222] has joined #ubuntu-motu === neutrinomass [n=pandis@ppp21-68.adsl.forthnet.gr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Amaranth [n=amaranth@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu === abelcheung_ [n=abelcheu@221.127.103.205] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lastnode [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:26] \sh, I had the most heletic time with xfs :P I got kernel panics on boot === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:26] <\sh> NthDegree: hum? [09:26] what happened there? [09:26] <\sh> NthDegree: don't use it on the boot partition when you are using grub or lilo...so /boot shouldn't be xfs :) [09:26] i made /boot ext3 [09:27] <\sh> NthDegree: what kernel panics you got? [09:27] and /var a 20GB and /usr 20GB [09:27] it was to do with syncing disks [09:27] i needed to remove the splash to see it [09:27] <\sh> hmm? === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu === NthDegree brb [09:32] back :) === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lastnode_ [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ivoks [n=ivoks@ubuntu/member/ivoks] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Fujitsu [n=fujitsu@c211-28-183-112.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:56] is there any minimal ubuntu install [09:56] i mean without Desktop enviroment [09:57] tuxmaniac, yes, the server install === jinty [n=jinty@242.Red-83-49-54.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:59] tuxmaniac: i think not [10:00] <\sh> there is, named ubuntu server ;) [10:00] <\sh> or debootstrap ;) [10:01] \sh: how much is the installation size? [10:01] of ubuntu server i mean [10:03] <\sh> tuxmaniac: not much...I don't know exactly [10:04] less than 100 MB? [10:05] <\sh> tuxmaniac: I can't tell right now...wait for tomorrow, when I'm back in the office [10:05] \sh: aah ok === doko [n=doko@dslb-088-073-090-137.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Optocus [i=Optocus@tor/session/direct/x-44401a8b1e8acf72] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:32] hey \sh I just compiled my 1st kernel I think [10:32] <\sh> NthDegree: why? [10:32] so I could remove all unnecessary drivers etc. [10:33] and because I wanted to compile a fresh kernel from ubuntu repos [10:33] <\sh> NthDegree: you know then it's unsupported...and I hope you used make-kpkg [10:33] ummmm......... [10:34] i used the traditional make [10:34] <\sh> so you don't have a debian package ;) [10:35] well don't you just dump the executable into the boot partition and use grub to boot it? [10:35] no [10:37] <\sh> not on debian systems [10:37] <\sh> on suse yes, or redhat, also yes, and on gentoo actually, but not never nono on debian systems ;) [10:37] oops === abelcheung_ [n=abelcheu@221.127.100.125] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:43] so what do i have to get to make as a debian/ubuntu package? === vud1 [n=vud1@unaffilitated/vud1] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:47] <\sh> man make-kpkg [10:47] i don't have that command [10:48] <\sh> sudo apt-get install kernel-package [10:49] thatnks [10:49] thanks** [10:50] <\sh> ok one more cigarette and then I'm trying to sleep at least 2 hours...I'm awake since 3am utc+2 [10:50] well i only got 3 hous sleep [10:50]