[01:28] <Burgwork> hey Amaranth , magnon 
[01:49] <jjjjjjj> hmm, i did a sudo apt-get install edubuntu-desktop from xubuntu and I still have the xfce desktop.  there are some added apps in the "start menu".
[01:49] <HedgeMage> jjjjjjj: you have to tell it that you want to start gnome by default if you want to see the edubuntu gnome theme
[01:52] <jjjjjjj> ahh
[01:52] <jjjjjjj> but i'm okay sticking with xfce?
[01:53] <LaserJock> you can do whatever you want
[01:56] <HedgeMage> jjjjjjj: then you can put the edubuntu backgrounds in if you like, but you won't see the theme
[01:56] <HedgeMage> jjjjjjj: that's the only real difference
[03:03] <bddebian> Hello
[03:04] <HedgeMage> hi bddebian 
[03:04] <bddebian> Hello HedgeMage
[03:32] <jsgotangco> good morning
[03:49] <aaron|feldman> so edubuntu is ubuntu with ltsp added right?
[03:51] <jsgotangco> morning
[03:51] <jsgotangco> yes
[03:52] <jsgotangco> but we also added some educational applications
[03:54] <pitux> is possible install controlaula in edubuntu
[03:54] <pitux> or any similar software
[03:54] <aaron|feldman> ok
[03:54] <aaron|feldman> just curious
[03:54] <aaron|feldman> didn'
[03:54] <aaron|feldman> t
[03:55] <aaron|feldman> see any reference to ltsp on the edubuntu web site
[03:55] <aaron|feldman> using K12ltsp
[03:56] <jsgotangco> its actually a new type of ltsp with the help of the ltsp people (jim and scott)
[03:56] <aaron|feldman> and it was helpful to be able to tap into both the k12ltsp stuff  and the ltsp stuff
[03:56] <aaron|feldman> but if I had started out with edubuntu I would have never known ltsp existed
[03:56] <aaron|feldman> at least at first
[03:56] <jsgotangco> pitux: it should work, but how integration goes, no idea yet, we did consider it before though, probably will again
[03:57] <aaron|feldman> is edubuntu ltsp 4.2?
[03:58] <aaron|feldman> was considering trying it out
[03:59] <jsgotangco> no this is not 4.2 nor 4.1 its entirely different
[04:00] <aaron|feldman> really, interesting
[04:00] <jsgotangco> http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/MueKow
[04:02] <aaron|feldman> does this mean that ltsp in edubuntu has forked from ltsp
[04:02] <aaron|feldman> some of the 4.2 stuff sounds cool
[04:02] <aaron|feldman> local media etc
[04:05] <aaron|feldman> i looked at that wiki entry, they say something about if this MueKow works out it will likely turn into ltsp-5
[04:06] <aaron|feldman> what I'm trying to figure out here is this:
[04:06] <aaron|feldman> i know that eventually k12ltsp will integrate whatever ltsp implements 
[04:06] <aaron|feldman> is that true for edubuntu
[04:07] <jsgotangco> im pretty positive that will happen
[04:07] <jsgotangco> like local media, etc.
[04:07] <aaron|feldman> k, cool
[04:08] <jsgotangco> but with current edubuntu, its possible to install LTSP without even doing anything and it already works
[04:08] <jsgotangco> the most that you will do is actually edit dhcpd3.conf
[04:10] <aaron|feldman> as in I can use ltspconfig 4.2 and it will be fine?
[04:10] <aaron|feldman> then that is very cool
[04:11] <jsgotangco> hmmm i am not sure
[04:11] <jsgotangco> you better have to ask ogra or post to the list
[04:11] <aaron|feldman> ok
[04:11] <aaron|feldman> thanks
[06:20] <crimsun> TT's asleep?
[06:20] <HedgeMage> crimsun: will be soon
[06:21] <HedgeMage> crimsun: his father has an aversion to egg salad and so didn't feed him while I was gone
[06:21] <HedgeMage> well, they had snack food but no actual dinner
[06:23] <crimsun> d'oh
[06:39] <HedgeMage> ahh, finally in bed
[06:39] <HedgeMage> only 40 minutes late... tomorrow will be fun.
[07:21] <cbx33> good moaning
[07:23] <lucasvo> hi
[07:26] <jsgotangco> moaning?
[07:26] <jsgotangco> heh
[07:26] <jsgotangco> you sure had a nice morning eh
[07:27] <jsgotangco> intense action to start the day right
[07:27] <lucasvo> yeah
[07:27] <lucasvo> it's depressing here, I got up, I have 1/2 hour left till school starts and what do I have to do? 
[07:27] <lucasvo> learn vocabular in french 
[07:27] <lucasvo> :(
[07:30] <cbx33> lucasvo, oh joy
[07:31] <cbx33> any one think of a reason why connecting to freenode with irssi timedout on my mobile?
[07:31] <cbx33> can i specify a timeout period for irssi?
[07:31] <cbx33> brb
[07:41] <cbx33> right I'm off for breakkie
[07:41] <cbx33> see you guys later
[08:35] <pygi> mornin' all
[08:35] <distanceisdeath> what is edubuntu?
[08:36] <distanceisdeath> im getting it
[08:37] <Burgundavia> distanceisdeath: you understand now?
[08:38] <distanceisdeath> understand what
[08:38] <distanceisdeath> its still installing
[08:38] <distanceisdeath> hopefully its cool
[08:39] <distanceisdeath> !edbuntu
[08:39] <ubotu> distanceisdeath: Syntax error in line 1. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[08:39] <distanceisdeath> mann
[08:39] <Burgundavia> !edubuntu
[08:39] <ubotu> Edubuntu is the education version of ubuntu (essentially ubuntu + educational apps + ltsp).  Website - http://www.edubuntu.org. Tour - http://edubuntu.org/tour.html
[08:39] <distanceisdeath> so what is the point?
[08:40] <Burgundavia> of Edubuntu?
[08:40] <distanceisdeath> do i get more stuff?
[08:40] <pygi> distanceisdeath, more stuff compared to what?
[08:40] <distanceisdeath> i dont know
[08:40] <distanceisdeath> haha
[08:40] <pygi> o joy
[08:40] <distanceisdeath> im  really bored
[08:40] <distanceisdeath> i have nothing better to do
[08:40] <jsgotangco> thanks
[08:41] <distanceisdeath> your welcome
[08:41] <distanceisdeath> so anyone here use a psx emulator?
[08:41] <jsgotangco> i have a ps2 at home
[08:41] <distanceisdeath> thats cool
[08:41] <distanceisdeath> i have a ps2 at my dads house
[08:42] <distanceisdeath> and i feel like playing final fantasy
[08:42] <distanceisdeath> because im bored
[08:42] <jsgotangco> actually
[08:42] <jsgotangco> im getting bored now just hearing your story
[08:42] <jsgotangco> :/
[08:42] <distanceisdeath> thanks
[08:42] <distanceisdeath> so you want to help with that emu?
[08:43] <distanceisdeath> whatever
[08:43] <distanceisdeath> ill just look for some cool themes
[08:43] <distanceisdeath> you have any?
[08:45] <distanceisdeath> how do you install a splash screen?
[08:46] <irvin> i really love the default edubuntu splash screen
[08:46] <pygi> jsgotangco, :-/
[08:46] <distanceisdeath> you guys kind of suck
[08:46] <pygi> distanceisdeath, thank you very much
[08:47] <distanceisdeath> mhm
[08:47] <distanceisdeath> pygi is kind of cool though
[08:47] <distanceisdeath> pygi what is that?
[08:47] <pygi> distanceisdeath, no I am not, and now beat it out of this channel if you are going to insult people
[08:48] <distanceisdeath> im not
[08:48] <distanceisdeath> what does pygi stand for
[08:54] <cbx33> mornin all
[08:54] <cbx33> hi HedgeMage 
[08:55] <HedgeMage> hi cbx33 
[08:56] <cbx33> HedgeMage: got a problem wondering if you could help
[08:56] <HedgeMage> wow, the chan came to life while I was reading random stuff, funny how I miss everything
[08:56] <HedgeMage> cbx33: I will if I can, what's up?
[08:56] <cbx33> I'm trying to connect to freenode via my laptop over GPRS
[08:56] <cbx33> but it keeps timing out
[08:56] <cbx33> I can get into blitzed
[08:56] <HedgeMage> hmmm
[08:56] <cbx33> but not freenode
[08:56] <cbx33> I'm using irssi
[08:56] <cbx33> any ideas?
[08:57] <HedgeMage> can you /msg me the IP you have on there?  I can see if there's anything funny to be seen on our end
[08:57] <cbx33> hmm....
[08:57] <cbx33> not sure what it is....I don;t think it's static
[08:57] <HedgeMage> hmmm
[08:57] <cbx33> I'll try to connec right now
[08:57] <HedgeMage> okay
[08:57] <cbx33> and see if I can pass you one
[08:58] <pygi> hey cbx33, HedgeMage 
[08:58] <cbx33> how do i do that?
[08:58] <HedgeMage> hi pygi 
[08:58] <HedgeMage> cbx33: you can't, I just did it
[08:58] <cbx33> hi pygi you wanted me the other yesterday?
[08:58] <HedgeMage> cbx33: it's a network staffer only thing
[08:58] <cbx33> ah
[08:58] <cbx33> ok
[08:58] <pygi>  cbx33, other yesterday? :)
[08:58] <cbx33> yes
[08:58] <cbx33> ok dialing out
[08:58] <cbx33> gimme a minute
[08:58] <HedgeMage> ok
[08:58] <pygi> Not sure, but what would other yesterday be?
[08:58] <pygi> The day before yesterday? :P
[08:59] <cbx33> no
[08:59] <cbx33> yesterday
[08:59] <cbx33> I was going to day the other day
[08:59] <pygi> ah, ok :)
[08:59] <cbx33> connecting HedgeMage 
[08:59] <cbx33> connection is established
[08:59] <HedgeMage> try to connect to freenode
[08:59] <cbx33> couldn;t look up host name
[09:00] <cbx33> and that's as far as it will get
[09:00] <HedgeMage> hmmm
[09:00] <cbx33> I get the no ident auth message
[09:00] <HedgeMage> well, couldn't look up host name is a DNS problem
[09:00] <HedgeMage> hmmm
[09:00] <cbx33> yeh
[09:00] <cbx33> but then I'd expect that seeing as I'mdailing out via a mobly
[09:01] <cbx33> then it says
[09:01] <cbx33> ERROR Closing Link: 127.0.0.1 (Connection Timed Out)
[09:01] <HedgeMage> hmmm
[09:01] <HedgeMage> let me see if listen is off
[09:01] <cbx33> Irssi: Connection lost to irc.freenode.net
[09:01] <HedgeMage> listen's on.
[09:01] <HedgeMage> hmmm
[09:02] <cbx33> as I say, I know it works
[09:02] <cbx33> cos I can get into blitzed
[09:02] <HedgeMage> cbx33: try connecting to an individual server instead of main rotation (ie niven.freenode.net ) 
[09:02] <cbx33> ok hang on
[09:04] <cbx33> same HedgeMage 
[09:04] <HedgeMage> hmmm
[09:05] <HedgeMage> hang on one sec
[09:05] <cbx33> and now it's cycling onto another server
[09:05] <cbx33> and timed out again
[09:05] <HedgeMage> hmm
[09:06] <HedgeMage> cbx33: I'm assuming the lappy works fine on other connections?
[09:06] <cbx33> yup
[09:06] <HedgeMage> hmmm
[09:06] <cbx33> as I said I can get into the blitzed server
[09:06] <cbx33> blitzed.org
[09:06] <cbx33> and happily chatted on there
[09:06] <HedgeMage> no, I meant can it connect to freenode using, say, the connection you're using to talk to me now?
[09:06] <cbx33> oh yeh
[09:06] <HedgeMage> okay
[09:07] <cbx33> i use it at home
[09:07] <cbx33> all the time
[09:07] <cbx33> really weird
[09:07] <HedgeMage> cbx33: do me a favor and ping irc.freenode.net and make sure it's resolving for you
[09:07] <cbx33> it resolves because it shows the ip when connecting
[09:07] <HedgeMage> hmmm
[09:07] <cbx33> and it actially connects up
[09:08] <HedgeMage> it dies at the ident thing?
[09:08] <cbx33> would running an identd server help?
[09:08] <cbx33> yes
[09:08] <JaneW> http://www.starryhope.com/tech/2006/first-24-hours-with-edubuntu-606/
[09:08] <HedgeMage> it shouldn't be neccessary
[09:08] <HedgeMage> I certainly don't here
[09:08] <HedgeMage> cbx33: give me a sec, I'm going to bug a more experienced staffer
[09:09] <cbx33> thank you HedgeMage 
[09:09] <cbx33> mornin highvoltage 
[09:09] <highvoltage> morning cbx33 
[09:10] <HedgeMage> cbx33: is there any chance you can paste me the last line or three before closing connection...
[09:10] <HedgeMage> ?
[09:10] <cbx33> um...yeh sure
[09:10] <cbx33> hangon lemme dial out again
[09:12] <HedgeMage> sorry :/
[09:12] <cbx33> I'll pm you
[09:13] <HedgeMage> ok
[09:19] <blue-frog> nice I see that the install in text mode has been changed to install to HDD, ty ogra, you couldn't believe how many people don't know what to do witht the ubuntu install in text mode on the fr channel
[09:19] <blue-frog> basically they think that the only way to install is thru the livecd (which I recommend anyway as it is simpler ffor most ppl
[09:20] <HedgeMage> I don't trust the livecd installer yet... more a gut feeling than any logical reason, though.  I have not heard of any major problems
[09:20] <HedgeMage> totally irrational :P
[09:20] <blue-frog> i guess :)
[09:21] <blue-frog> had only on glitch with ubiquity, but restartting it, corrected the problem
[09:21] <blue-frog> the partition window once "jumped out" of the main window
[09:22] <cbx33> i wonder if they fixed the cancel thing
[09:28] <HedgeMage> cbx33: the response from the experts is "too much lag"
[09:31] <HedgeMage> cbx33: you could try running an identd to cut down on the time at that stage of connect, it may or may not help but it's worth a shot
[09:32] <cbx33> how do i do that
[09:33] <HedgeMage> cbx33: what distro? *ubuntu ?
[09:33] <cbx33> indeed
[09:33] <HedgeMage> hang on I'll poke around the repos for an identdaemon
[09:38] <HedgeMage> cbx33: judging solely by the descriptions in synaptic (since the one I used to use back in the '90s when I ran one is long gone) I'd say try nullidentd or slidentd  they both are standalone and claim to be quick, returning a set string instead of anything crazy 
[09:40] <cbx33> ok
[09:40] <cbx33> HedgeMage: do they require configuring?
[09:40] <HedgeMage> cbx33: I'd imagine so, but minimal.
[09:41] <HedgeMage> cbx33: pick one, install, and we'll attack it together :)
[09:41] <cbx33> aww 
[09:41] <cbx33> thanx highvoltage 
[09:41] <cbx33> HedgeMage: 
[09:41] <cbx33> sorry
[09:41] <cbx33> my tab button didn't press
[09:41] <HedgeMage> lol :)
[09:41] <HedgeMage> np
[09:46] <greebo> hi all, is there any edubuntu CD artwork? I'm getting some cds pressed for an education expo in Austrlaia
[09:46] <greebo> Australia rather :)
[09:47] <HedgeMage> greebo: sure, let me find the link...
[09:48] <greebo> HedgeMage, thanks :)
[09:48] <HedgeMage> greebo: https://wiki.edubuntu.org/DIYMarketing about halfway down the page (I didn't link directly because I don't know your preferred file format)
[09:49] <greebo> also, I'm working on a research project looking at the use of FOSS in research and education, I've put up some really useful links to documents about FOSS in education that may be useful to you guys
[09:49] <greebo> http://ask-oss.mq.edu.au/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=10&Itemid=61
[09:49] <greebo> HedgeMage, thanks!
[09:49] <cbx33> greebo: did you check out the Using Edubuntu documentation
[09:50] <cbx33> http://www.edubuntu.org/UsingEdubuntu
[09:50] <cbx33> may be of some use
[09:50] <greebo> cbx33, thanks!
[09:50] <greebo> hmm, I might use a different cd artwork. Something with the kids on it
[09:51] <HedgeMage> greebo: cool
[09:51] <HedgeMage> greebo: if you do, please post to DIYmarketing for others to share
[09:54] <greebo> HedgeMage, sure :)
[09:54] <HedgeMage> thanks!
[09:54] <HedgeMage> that reminds me, I need to get the pics of the cake developed.
[09:54] <HedgeMage> and scanned
[09:57] <jsgotangco> brb
[09:57] <greebo> HedgeMage, know where I can get a high quality version of the kids in the edubuntu circle?
[09:57] <greebo> jsgotangco, heya :)
[09:57] <jsgotangco> pia!
[09:58] <greebo> :)
[09:58] <HedgeMage> greebo: ummmm... no clue... ask jsgotangco he's good at that sort of thing
[09:58] <jsgotangco> i dont have it either but you could probbably ask silbs
[09:59] <jsgotangco> its from a professional print job and the wiki page doesn't have the hi res pdf either
[09:59] <jimjimovich2> hi all
[09:59] <jimjimovich2> can someone point me to the instructions for making default desktop settings for new users?
[10:00] <jimjimovich2> i know i read it somewhere before, but can't find it now
[10:02] <greebo> jsgotangco, where does silbs hang out?
[10:02] <greebo> where in irc-land :)
[10:02] <jsgotangco> #canonical probably
[10:02] <greebo> jsgotangco, cheers
[10:02] <jsgotangco> ask jdub! doh
[10:04] <HedgeMage> jimjimovich2: just make a user, set it up as you want the default to be, and copy to /etc/skel
[10:04] <jimjimovich2> HedgeMage: Thanks! I just forgot what folder to copy it to
[10:04] <HedgeMage> :) np
[10:04] <jimjimovich2> HedgeMage: copy the whole home folder, right?
[10:06] <jimjimovich2> great.
[10:07] <cbx33> HedgeMage: hmmm
[10:08] <cbx33> can't get it working at the mo
[10:08] <cbx33> still dog slow
[10:08] <HedgeMage> grr :(
[10:08] <cbx33> can't seem to see if the xinetd service is running
[10:09] <HedgeMage> cbx33: make sure you have it installed if you need it... the two I pointed to claim to be standalone identd's that won't require inetd... however, something more traditional/xinetd-reliant may work better
[10:09] <HedgeMage> I haven't run identd in AGES
[10:09] <cbx33> hang on i spotted an error
[10:22] <cbx33> hmm
[10:26] <cbx33> HedgeMage: it's running but not working
[10:26] <cbx33> I'll have to try another day
[10:26] <cbx33> :(
[10:26] <cbx33> too much to do right now
[10:30] <cbx33> thanx for the help HedgeMage 
[10:30] <HedgeMage> cbx33: np
[10:30] <cbx33> I can't understand why it's not working
[10:30] <greebo> HedgeMage, heya, the cd artwork image I made will be at the below address for a while. I don't have access rights to change the marketing page :)
[10:30] <greebo> http://www.ask-oss.mq.edu.au/dmdocuments/edubuntu-cdimage.psd
[10:31] <greebo> it isn't anything special, plain and to the point :)
[10:31] <HedgeMage> cbx33: if I go ahead and apply for membership this coming meeting, will you be around to cheer me on?
[10:31] <HedgeMage> greebo: all you need is a launchpad registration... it's not restricted to certain people
[10:31] <HedgeMage> what's .psd anyhow?
[10:32] <cbx33> HedgeMage: of course
[10:32] <HedgeMage> cbx33: yay :D
[10:32] <cbx33> I'll be a HedgeMage advocate :D
[10:32] <greebo> HedgeMage, it can be opened in gimp, and has loads of layers. Not sure :) I just used a cd template given to me in that format
[10:32] <cbx33> HedgeMage: it could be a firewall issue
[10:32] <cbx33> port 113 not open
[10:33] <HedgeMage> greebo: ahh I was just wondering because I thought that might be a photoshop thingy and we try to avoid proprietary stuff
[10:33] <HedgeMage> greebo: lemmee look
[10:33] <HedgeMage> cbx33: yep, could be
[10:33] <greebo> erk, have to go, back in a while
[10:34] <HedgeMage> ok ttyl
[10:34] <HedgeMage> yep, psd is Photoshop
[10:34] <HedgeMage> pygi: Yay! thanks
[10:34] <HedgeMage> greebo: if you don't know how to convert to .xcf I can do it for you later if you remind me
[10:35] <greebo> nice that gimp just deals with it :) that rocks!
[10:35] <greebo> back in a bit
[10:36] <HedgeMage> :D
[10:37] <HedgeMage> pygi: oddly, my wheedling over wether or not to do it this meeting was decided by the fact that I need something to take my mind off of the jobs I've applied for and whether I'll get something good
[10:37] <pygi> HedgeMage, you have to support me as well :P
[10:38] <HedgeMage> pygi: hehe of course!
[10:40] <cbx33> does any one have identd running on a server i can try to telnet to
[10:41] <HedgeMage> sorry, not here
[10:44] <cbx33> ahhhh, could it be binding it to the eth0 interface
[10:45] <cbx33> instead of the ppp0 interface ?
[10:46] <pygi> HedgeMage, you must do the paperwork :P
[10:46] <cbx33> HedgeMage: yes, do you have a wiki page?
[10:47] <pygi> cbx33, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HedgeMage
[10:47] <HedgeMage> pygi: working on it as we speak
[10:48] <HedgeMage> I also need to get myself on the agenda
[10:48] <HedgeMage> I wasn't going to do this yet until I realized how much I'm obsessing over the job thing
[10:49] <HedgeMage> I need a replacement obsession :P
[10:51] <cbx33> HedgeMage: it must be a firewall issue
[10:51] <cbx33> it seems to be working 
[10:51] <cbx33> i tested locally
[10:52] <HedgeMage> cbx33: weird
[10:52] <cbx33> unless it is binding it to eth0 as opposed to ppp0
[10:54] <cbx33> but i don;t know how I'd check that
[10:55] <HedgeMage> ifconfig
[10:55] <cbx33> hmm....
[11:10] <ogra> highvoltage, seen the latest mail from our PXE friend ?
[11:10] <HedgeMage> cbx33: still about?
[11:11] <cbx33> HedgeMage: yes
[11:11] <pygi> ogra, what she sent again? :-/
[11:11] <cbx33> enlighten me...our PZE friend?
[11:11] <HedgeMage> cbx33: see the -devel mailing list
[11:11] <pygi> cbx33, PXE :P
[11:11] <ogra> pygi, *he* sends personal mails to JaneW and me since edubuntu exists ... several in a month
[11:11] <JaneW> nod
[11:11] <pygi> ah, he :P Yes, I know he does that
[11:11] <pygi> but whats the new message?
[11:12] <ogra> if you would print them each would fill about 10 pages in small print
[11:12] <pygi> joy :)
[11:12] <ogra> he apologizes, the ltsp folkes have told hime he's wrong
[11:12] <HedgeMage> cbx33: BearPerson said that if you're trying to connect via the lappy with a nick already in use ( cbx33 for example ) it greatly increases the chance of suffering that time out, so use a seperate nick for that connection and see if it helps
[11:12] <ogra> (drop 'e's where appropriate in that sentence)
[11:13] <HedgeMage> :P
[11:13] <ogra> :)
[11:13] <cbx33> HedgeMage: hmmm...that is an idea
[11:13] <HedgeMage> ogra: really? I wouldn't have seen an apology coming.  cool
[11:13] <ogra> no, its PM
[11:13] <ogra> and i wont bother the ML with that lengthy thing
[11:14] <cbx33> ping lucasvo 
[11:14] <HedgeMage> ogra: no, I meant that I didn't expect it.  I know it wasn't on the ML
[11:14] <ogra> ah
[11:15] <jsgotangco> hey
[11:16] <cbx33> HedgeMage: how many do you have?
[11:16] <HedgeMage> ogra: thanks!
[11:17] <cbx33> hooray
[11:17] <highvoltage> ogra: yes, i did
[11:17] <HedgeMage> cbx33: hmmm... you, pygi, ogra, and some newbie I helped earlier today so far.
[11:18] <ogra> highvoltage, i just saw youre on CC for all of them :)
[11:18] <highvoltage> at least it says 'PXE wrapup', so perhaps she has some closure now
[11:18] <jsgotangco> PXE?
[11:18] <highvoltage> ogra: i think i have a new fan :)
[11:18] <ogra> haha
[11:18] <HedgeMage> lol
[11:18] <cbx33> :p
[11:18] <ogra> i think jims shouting was pretty helpful *g*
[11:19] <HedgeMage> hehe
[11:19] <jsgotangco> where is this wonderful thread?
[11:19] <ogra> jsgotangco, it was a PM thread
[11:19] <jsgotangco> ohhhh
[11:19] <ogra> going on alongside the ML one
[11:19] <cbx33> heheh
[11:20] <pygi> HedgeMage, you have anough :P
[11:20] <RobinShepheard> Hello All
[11:22] <highvoltage> hi RobinShepheard. i just replied to your email this morning
[11:22] <highvoltage> (about the screenshot)
[11:22] <HedgeMage> pygi: how many is enough?
[11:22] <RobinShepheard> highvoltage: Ahh I have not had a chance to pick up my email as yet, will do in just a sec
[11:23] <cbx33> HedgeMage: you have enough
[11:23] <pygi> HedgeMage, you can even drop me :P
[11:23] <cbx33> I had less
[11:23] <ogra> cbx33, you cant have enough 
[11:23] <HedgeMage> pygi: aww but I like you I want to keep you :P
[11:24] <pygi> ogra, he can always bring all people from all ubuntu channels ;)
[11:24] <HedgeMage> pygi: I'm a "she" :P
[11:24] <ogra> pygi, !
[11:25] <pygi> HedgeMage, yes, I know :P
[11:25] <HedgeMage> :P
[11:25] <pygi> Just talking about someone "random" :)
[11:25] <pygi> ogra, any objections on that? :)
[11:25] <HedgeMage> pygi: ahh
[11:25] <ogra> pygi, feel free to crowd the channel
[11:26] <pygi> ogra, nah, just joking :)
[11:26] <pygi> HedgeMage, what? !!
[11:26] <RobinShepheard> Daft question, I am installing and running Edubuntu on a selection of different machines, is there a utility you use to dump a file with all the hardware details in?
[11:27] <HedgeMage> RobinShepheard: "lspci" from the command line has gobs of great info!
[11:27] <ogra> RobinShepheard, look in the device manager
[11:28] <RobinShepheard> I was thinking of something that can grab the entire data out of device manager and write it to, say a text file
[11:28] <HedgeMage> RobinShepheard: "lspci | cat textfilename"
[11:29] <HedgeMage> though I haven't played with the device manager much, don't know if it has stuff from proc and such too... 
[11:29] <RobinShepheard> lspci doesn list things like the motherboard chipset though
[11:30] <RobinShepheard> I was thinking that if there was a standard utility any install could dump the data out
[11:30] <RobinShepheard> it would make it very easy to collate info on what hardware works and what doesn
[11:30] <RobinShepheard> doh doesnt
[11:31] <HedgeMage> RobinShepheard: you could do a dump of /var/log/messages  (bootup info, stuff that's detected, etc)
[11:31] <HedgeMage> there's a ton in there, but it's easy to parse
[11:31] <HedgeMage> sorry, I'm so non-gui
[11:31] <RobinShepheard> ahh good point, didnt think of that. 
[11:31] <HedgeMage> there's probably a graphical thing for that somewhere
[11:32] <RobinShepheard> dunno, I cant really say I am from the gui
[11:32] <RobinShepheard> it is just I have access to about 10-15 different boxes, all with different hardware
[11:33] <HedgeMage> RobinShepheard: heh, good... some people are so scared of the command line... I'm just *used* to it
[11:33] <RobinShepheard> I was just thinking I can create a catalogue of what I have here, as it may come in handy with testing any of the apps.
[11:34] <HedgeMage> definitely
[11:34] <RobinShepheard> HedgeMage: Cant say I am scared of the command line, but then the gui wasnt much use with redhat 5
[11:34] <HedgeMage> /var/log/messages has all the info you need.
[11:34] <HedgeMage> RobinShepheard: heh, I started with slackware in early 1995
[11:34] <RobinShepheard> around the same sort of time then
[11:35] <HedgeMage> I guess... can never keep track of redhat releases
[11:35] <HedgeMage> don't use it, though, so it's kind of moot for me
[11:35] <HedgeMage> gah! it's 2:35 am !
[11:36] <RobinShepheard> guess all i got to do is work out a parser for /var/log/messages then. Only 10:36am here :)
[11:36] <pips1> HedgeMage talking about membership reminds me that I want to apply too.
[11:37] <HedgeMage> RobinShepheard: LOL have fun
[11:37] <HedgeMage> I'm off to bed
[11:37] <RobinShepheard> bye
[11:37] <pips1> Edubuntu membership council every first week of the month, right?
[11:37] <cbx33> pips1: yes
[11:39] <HedgeMage> pips1: yep
[11:39] <pips1> hmm
[11:42] <RobinShepheard> highvoltage: just checked my email, I only raised it as I spotted it as I tend to speed read and spotted the piccy and tried to save time rather than read the whole thing
[11:49] <RobinShepheard> is there a wish list specifically for Edubuntu??
[11:49] <HedgeMage> RobinShepheard: there's teacher recommended projects, that's about it
[11:51] <ogra> RobinShepheard, i'mm about to make a list with proposed specs today there is no wikipage specific for edubuntu yet for the summit
[11:51] <RobinShepheard> ahh ok, I was wondering if it may be possible to automatically include motif libs as standard. It maens it is very easy to install citrix client then.
[11:52] <RobinShepheard> I realise that it is a fairly specialised request but if means that the schools or offices can still have access to existing windows apps if they really must have them
[11:52] <ogra> well, thats a question of supportability, not about speccing it :)
[11:53] <ogra> if our security team approves it will depend on the security history of the specific package
[11:53] <RobinShepheard> ogra: fair point, ok I didnt know how it worked like that.
[11:54] <RobinShepheard> just thought that it removes one more hurdle to possible acceptability
[11:54] <ogra> we have a second criteria specific to edubuntu: "how small is it (and its dependencys)?"
[11:55] <RobinShepheard> 1 sec
[11:55] <crimsun> (do you need motif specifically or will lesstif2 suffice?)
[11:55] <ogra> since we run constantly out of diskspace on the CD
[11:56] <crimsun> (note that the former does have a security record /and/ is in multiverse)
[11:57] <ogra> thats what i was suspecting
[11:57] <RobinShepheard> will have to test again, but last time I tried, I was required to install libmotif3
[11:58] <RobinShepheard> I dont think it was very big but has 6 dependancies
[11:59] <RobinShepheard> I will be doing a fresh install later tonight so I can test
[12:23] <JaneW> cbx33: seen this http://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=661&slide=5&title=edubuntu+6.06+screenshots
[12:23] <JaneW> ?
[12:23] <JaneW> nice :)
[12:23] <EmxBA> hi
[12:23] <EmxBA> hi highvoltage
[12:23] <EmxBA> do you remember me from yesterday
[12:23] <EmxBA> :D
[12:24] <jsgotangco> hi JaneW how are you doing?
[12:24] <EmxBA> jonathan
[12:25] <highvoltage> hi EmxBA 
[12:25] <JaneW> hi jsgotangco 
[12:25] <highvoltage> yes, i remember you
[12:25] <EmxBA> i know that it is a bit early for chatting
[12:25] <EmxBA> but i live in Bosnia
[12:25] <EmxBA> it is 12 PM here
[12:25] <EmxBA> lol
[12:26] <jsgotangco> JaneW: i still have a flu myself
[12:26] <jsgotangco> JaneW: let's blame global warming eh
[12:27] <highvoltage> EmxBA: it's 12:26 here in South Africa
[12:28] <cbx33> JaneW: that's excellent
[12:28] <cbx33> lisa will be pleased
[12:29] <JaneW> cbx33: :)
[12:29] <JaneW> jsgotangco: hope you get well soon
[12:29] <EmxBA> highvoltage: you live in Africa?
[12:30] <ogra> JaneW, what am i supposed to see on the link you posted ? its the chalkboard for me
[12:31] <highvoltage> EmxBA: yep
[12:31] <EmxBA> where exactly
[12:31] <JaneW> ogra: homies theme
[12:31] <highvoltage> EmxBA: Bellville, Cape Town, South Africa
[12:31] <ogra> JaneW, not for me it seems
[12:31] <EmxBA> Cape Town is nice
[12:32] <highvoltage> EmxBA: you've been here before?
[12:32] <JaneW> ogra: odd... anyway scroll down...
[12:33] <EmxBA> highvoltage: no
[12:33] <ogra> JaneW, ahh, i just saw they moved the thumbnails, i'm just to blind (or 1024x786 are just to small :) )
[12:34] <JaneW> heh
[12:35] <JaneW> I loaded a web game at the gym for my kids they other day and they were like WHOA look how BIG it is!
[12:35] <ogra> hehe
[12:36] <cbx33> heheh
[12:36] <cbx33> looks like the Homies are creating quite a storm :p
[12:36] <krishna> showcommands
[12:37] <EmxBA> i suppose that most of you live in USA
[12:37] <EmxBA> right
[12:37] <ogra> EmxBA, not really
[12:38] <EmxBA> but most of you do
[12:38] <ogra> i'd guess about 6 ppl in this channel are from the us
[12:38] <ogra> (rough guess though)
[12:39] <EmxBA> for example, i live in bosnia
[12:39] <EmxBA> operator (highvoltage) lives in South Africa
[12:40] <highvoltage> EmxBA: ogra, jane, and others are just as much operator as me, they just don't show it
[12:40] <ogra> :P
[12:40] <EmxBA> highvoltage: i know, but you don't have to resign of your operator status
[12:41] <cbx33> can i modify the uid of an nfs mount request
[12:42] <ogra> EmxBA, we ususalld dont have OPs in this channel, a bunch of us can grap OP if thats needed to kick someone evil out of the channel though
[12:43] <RobinShepheard> EmxBA: I live in the UK
[12:43] <ogra> i'm from germany
[12:43] <pips1> switzerland here :)
[12:43] <cbx33> RobinShepheard: where abouts?
[12:43] <cbx33> I'm from UK too
[12:44] <EmxBA> ok
[12:44] <cbx33> or did we already have this conversation?
[12:44] <RobinShepheard> cbx33: Bournemouth :)
[12:44] <cbx33> oooh not far from me
[12:44] <cbx33> Southampton
[12:44] <EmxBA> cbx33: i really don't know
[12:44] <RobinShepheard> cbx33: maybe we should get together for a beer sometime
[12:45] <cbx33> heheh
[12:45] <cbx33> with juliux 
[12:45] <cbx33> he'll be in london sometime soon
[12:45] <RobinShepheard> could do, I dont know juliux
[12:45] <EmxBA> so every wednesday you meet on this channel
[12:46] <highvoltage> EmxBA: #ubuntu-meeting
[12:46] <highvoltage> EmxBA: otherwise, we're nearly always here
[12:46] <JaneW> EmxBA: if you are really lucky you might find EdubuntuGirl here
[12:46] <JaneW> EmxBA: she rocks
[12:47] <EmxBA> EdubuntuGirl?
[12:47] <EmxBA> tell me more about her :D
[12:48] <cbx33> :( my dapper upgrade didn't go according to plan
[12:48] <cbx33> I've lost sound
[12:48] <cbx33> says it can't find any sound devices
[12:48] <JaneW> cbx33: oh dear
[12:48] <EmxBA> JaneW: please :D
[12:49] <EmxBA> lol
[12:49] <highvoltage> EmxBA: we'll introduce you to her a bit later ;)
[12:49] <EmxBA> ok
[12:49] <EmxBA> i am a bit new to this channel
[12:49] <EmxBA> but i can feel good
[12:49] <JaneW> EmxBA: :)
[12:49] <EmxBA> were you there yesterday when i was talking about my project
[12:50] <EmxBA> skolarci.linux.org.ba
[12:50] <cbx33> EmxBA: this channel roxks
[12:50] <EmxBA> educational site about linux
[12:50] <EmxBA> made for students
[12:50] <EmxBA> cbx33:yes!
[12:50] <EmxBA> it is Bosnian
[12:50] <EmxBA> i've made it
[12:50] <cbx33> Nice
[12:50] <EmxBA> in cooperation with Linux User Group of Bosnia and Herzegovina
[12:51] <EmxBA> in few days it will be translated dto english
[12:51] <EmxBA> and i will open forum
[12:51] <cbx33> anyone any ideas how I can get sound back?
[12:51] <cbx33> ALSA isn;t finding my soundcard, yet it did in breezy
[12:51] <EmxBA> i've already reviewed Edubuntu 5.10
[12:51] <EmxBA> :P
[12:51] <RobinShepheard> cbx33: what sound card is it??
[12:52] <cbx33> not sure
[12:52] <cbx33> hang on
[12:52] <EmxBA> try alsaconf
[12:52] <EmxBA> maybe you need some extra modules
[12:53] <EmxBA> highvoltage, can you give me the link where i can add myself to edubuntu list of contributors
[12:53] <EmxBA> on launchpad.net
[12:54] <highvoltage> EmxBA: depends where you're contributing to, we have different teams
[12:54] <highvoltage> long-term contributors may also become edubuntu members.
[12:54] <EmxBA> i dunno
[12:54] <EmxBA> you've gave me some link yesterday
[12:54] <highvoltage> just a sec....
[12:54] <highvoltage> it was this one: https://launchpad.net/people/edubuntu-advocacy
[12:55] <cbx33> RobinShepheard: it's an Intel AC97
[12:55] <EmxBA> you told that you are going to put a link to our site (skolarci) when it becomes translated to English
[12:55] <highvoltage> yep.
[12:55] <EmxBA> ok
[12:55] <EmxBA> we made a deal :D
[12:56] <highvoltage> i'm not quite sure where that would fit on our site right now, but we'll probably find a place for off-site stories about Edubuntu
[12:56] <EmxBA> maybe on list of helpers
[12:57] <EmxBA> and cooperating sites
[12:57] <EmxBA> skolarci.linux.org.ba is unique in whole world
[12:58] <highvoltage> well, technically, that's true for any domain name :)
[12:58] <kholerabbi> read this (http://oliphuant.blogspot.com/) blog about a suggestion for an opensource language learning program - sound, pictures, edutainment. Please!
[12:58] <RobinShepheard> cbx33: is it a desktop or laptop?
[01:00] <EmxBA> higvoltage: no, really, simialr projects do not exist
[01:00] <highvoltage> EmxBA: ok, i'll have to take your word for it, i don't understand any bolivian :/
[01:01] <highvoltage> EmxBA: tell us a bit more about your project.
[01:01] <EmxBA> hahah
[01:01] <EmxBA> lol
[01:01] <EmxBA> i am not bolivian!!!
[01:01] <EmxBA> i said "bosnian"
[01:02] <EmxBA> if you ever heard anything about bosnia
[01:02] <EmxBA> maybe yugoslavia
[01:02] <EmxBA> balkan
[01:02] <EmxBA> south east europe
[01:02] <EmxBA> bosnian pyramids
[01:04] <EmxBA> highvoltage: are you owner of edubuntu advocacy team
[01:04] <EmxBA> i think you are
[01:04] <EmxBA> founder
[01:05] <EmxBA> highvoltage: "Subscription request pending approval."
[01:05] <cbx33> RobinShepheard: laptop
[01:05] <jsgotangco> hhmmm is June 7 edubuntu council meet?
[01:06] <cbx33> I would think so
[01:07] <RobinShepheard> cbx33: I must say my upgrade had no probs on a dell latitude d600. Having said that I have done a full install several times since then
[01:07] <RobinShepheard> cbx: Daft question, can you see the device under device manager
[01:07] <highvoltage> EmxBA: approved
[01:08] <cbx33> RobinShepheard: just checking
[01:09] <cbx33> RobinShepheard: no it;'s not in there
[01:09] <cbx33> but doing an lspci finds it
[01:10] <RobinShepheard> have you tried clicking on the ubuntu device database butt
[01:10] <RobinShepheard> doh button
[01:11] <cbx33> that just submits to an online database doesn't it?
[01:11] <RobinShepheard> it goes through checks first, you can always cancel
[01:12] <RobinShepheard> first check on mine is soundcard
[01:12] <cbx33> yeh, no sound
[01:12] <RobinShepheard> ok
[01:12] <RobinShepheard> give me a little while...
[01:13] <EmxB1> hi again
[01:14] <cbx33> RobinShepheard: i think i may have foudn the issue
[01:14] <RobinShepheard> go on ...
[01:14] <cbx33> hmmm
[01:14] <EmxBA> highvoltage: thanks for approving my candidation for edubuntu-advocacz team
[01:14] <EmxBA> but i am wondering
[01:14] <cbx33> well i ran a dpkg-reconfigure on alsa-base
[01:14] <EmxBA> how to change informations about myself
[01:14] <EmxBA> karma
[01:14] <EmxBA> etc
[01:14] <EmxBA> private information
[01:14] <cbx33> I'm just gonna reboot
[01:15] <RobinShepheard> ok see you in a bit
[01:16] <cbx33> ok I was wrong
[01:16] <cbx33> it wasn't that
[01:17] <RobinShepheard> ahh well, worth a try
[01:17] <cbx33> thing is AC97 is a common sound card
[01:21] <RobinShepheard> cbx33: when you do a lspci each item starts with some numbers, these relate to the devices subdir in /sys. can you find it in /sys???
[01:23] <cbx33> yup it's in there
[01:23] <RobinShepheard> cbx33: one other thought, you dont have a key combination to disable sound do you??
[01:24] <cbx33>  /sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1f.5
[01:24] <RobinShepheard> I know it is a daft questin but it is easy to overlook
[01:24] <cbx33> I do
[01:24] <cbx33> but it's not affecting it
[01:24] <cbx33> I just tried using it...and it just comes up as if no sound card is installed
[01:24] <RobinShepheard> no offence ment but I sometimes miss things like that
[01:25] <cbx33> no sure
[01:25] <cbx33> but it's not working :(
[01:25] <cbx33> the keys are acknowledged by linux but it won;t do anything
[01:26] <ogra> cbx33, wait for crimsun to wake up, he's an alsa guy
[01:26] <cbx33> ahhh excellent
[01:26] <cbx33> thanks ogra 
[01:26] <ogra> does it load any snd- modules ?
[01:26] <RobinShepheard> I wonder if it is the symlinks in the sys directory but I dont really know. Sorry
[01:27] <cbx33> ogra: it's loaded the whole shebang
[01:27] <ogra> ok, look with amixer if anything essential is muted
[01:27] <cbx33> pcm pcm_oss timer page_alloc
[01:27] <ogra> snd-pcm and snd-pcm-oss i hope 
[01:27] <cbx33> amixer can't attach
[01:28] <ogra> else you run oss which is plainly wrong
[01:29] <EmxBA> see ya in few hours
[01:29] <EmxBA> i gotta go now
[01:30] <RobinShepheard> what number do you get next to snd_pcm do you get if you run lsmod | grep -i snd_pcm
[01:31] <RobinShepheard> that is the second number in the line
[01:32] <cbx33> 1
[01:33] <RobinShepheard> here is my output
[01:33] <RobinShepheard> snd_pcm_oss            53664  0
[01:33] <RobinShepheard> snd_mixer_oss          18688  1 snd_pcm_oss
[01:33] <RobinShepheard> snd_pcm                89864  3 snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss
[01:33] <RobinShepheard> snd_timer              25220  1 snd_pcm
[01:33] <RobinShepheard> snd                    55268  14 snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_timer
[01:33] <RobinShepheard> snd_page_alloc         10632  2 snd_intel8x0,snd_pcm
[01:33] <cbx33> yup
[01:33] <cbx33>  looks very similar
[01:33] <cbx33> I just havn't got the AC97 codec
[01:34] <RobinShepheard> try modprobe snd_ac97_codec
[01:34] <RobinShepheard> then check
[01:34] <cbx33> ok
[01:34] <cbx33> done that
[01:34] <cbx33> now I get a differenmt mseeage
[01:34] <cbx33> about gstreamer plugins
[01:34] <RobinShepheard> is the device now visible in device manager??
[01:35] <cbx33> just checking
[01:35] <cbx33> nope
[01:36] <RobinShepheard> what about if you try going into the mixer??
[01:36] <cbx33> ok
[01:36] <cbx33> I may have it now
[01:37] <cbx33> I added the intel module too
[01:37] <cbx33> but all volumes are set to zero
[01:37] <cbx33> and I can't change them
[01:38] <cbx33> ok, I have unmuted all devices
[01:38] <cbx33> but it;s still not working
[01:38] <cbx33> no sound 
[01:39] <RobinShepheard> I would guess it is a case of it is not loading a critical module, but I must confess that I dont have a huge amount of experience with this
[01:40] <RobinShepheard> here is my full list of snd modules
[01:40] <RobinShepheard> snd_intel8x0           33692  4
[01:40] <RobinShepheard> snd_ac97_codec         92704  1 snd_intel8x0
[01:40] <RobinShepheard> snd_ac97_bus            2304  1 snd_ac97_codec
[01:40] <RobinShepheard> snd_pcm_oss            53664  0
[01:40] <RobinShepheard> snd_mixer_oss          18688  1 snd_pcm_oss
[01:40] <RobinShepheard> snd_pcm                89864  3 snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss
[01:40] <RobinShepheard> snd_timer              25220  1 snd_pcm
[01:40] <RobinShepheard> snd                    55268  14 snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_timer
[01:40] <RobinShepheard> snd_page_alloc         10632  2 snd_intel8x0,snd_pcm
[01:41] <RobinShepheard> have you got the snd_ac97_bus module loaded?
[01:41] <cbx33> hmmm
[01:41] <cbx33> not sure
[01:41] <cbx33> I'll check in 2 secs
[01:41] <RobinShepheard> no probs
[01:42] <ogra> everybody: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuEdgyIdeas
[01:42] <ogra> please add ideas at the bottom
[01:43] <cbx33> mmm
[01:43] <cbx33> module snd_ac97_bus doesn't exist
[01:43] <cbx33> apparently
[01:51] <RobinShepheard> and is you do modprobe snd_ac97_bus??
[01:51] <RobinShepheard> doh if even
[01:51] <cbx33> yes
[01:52] <cbx33> FATAL: Module snd_ac97_bus not found
[01:55] <RobinShepheard> hmmm cant say I have ever built modules for ubuntu
[01:55] <cbx33> I'll see if crimsun has any ideas
[01:55] <cbx33> thank you RobinShepheard 
[01:55] <RobinShepheard> ok, sorry I cant be more help
[01:56] <cbx33> RobinShepheard: no, thank you for all your help
[01:56] <RobinShepheard> no problem
[01:57] <RobinShepheard> I would guess you may have to download kernel source and headers and do a make modules_install, or at least I think that is what the command is
[01:57] <cbx33> yeh
[01:58] <RobinShepheard> when you do sort it out, could you please drop me an email on robin.shepheard@swisp.co.uk and let me know what the cure was
[01:59] <cbx33> yeh sure
[01:59] <RobinShepheard> cheers
[01:59] <cbx33> is ther ean easy way to upgrade my kernel on ubuntu>?
[01:59] <cbx33> like an apt-get
[02:00] <RobinShepheard> good question, mine was last updated as part of the automatic updates
[02:00] <RobinShepheard> dunno about any other way to be honest
[02:00] <cbx33> yeh
[02:00] <cbx33> but mine shows no update available
[02:01] <cbx33> even when I know there is
[02:01] <RobinShepheard> which kernel are you running??
[02:01] <cbx33> 2.6.12
[02:02] <cbx33> -9
[02:03] <RobinShepheard> if you do apt-cache search linux-image-2.6 it will list all the kernel images you can install, pick the right one and then do apt-get I would guess
[02:04] <RobinShepheard> eg apt-get install linux-image-2.6.15-23-686
[02:04] <cbx33> doing 
[02:06] <jsgotangco> cbx33: check your sources.list if updates are enabled
[02:06] <cbx33> ok
[02:10] <cbx33> I HAVE SOUND
[02:11] <cbx33> kernel upgrade fixed it
[02:11] <jsgotangco> joy
[02:13] <highvoltage> laptops++
[02:13] <cbx33> phew I was getting worried there guys
[02:13] <cbx33> RobinShepheard: kernel upgrade fixed it
[02:13] <jsgotangco> the last time i worried about sound was during the late 90s
[02:14] <cbx33> well for some reason the kernel upgrade didn;t happen
[02:14] <jsgotangco> well thats what we love most about software
[02:15] <RobinShepheard> I reckon I end up swearing at my laptop as much as swearing by it
[02:15] <RobinShepheard> cbx33: good to hear it is all working now
[02:23] <cbx33> ogra, made a suggestion on the wiki
[02:23] <cbx33> what are your thoughts?
[02:23] <cbx33> the bottom one
[02:25] <ogra> cbx33, sounds good, but not like an edubuntu spec
[02:25] <ogra> (rather suited for ubuntu)
[02:26] <jsgotangco> ogra: is it normal that sound is still done in the server?
[02:26] <cbx33> even the teaching instructional one?
[02:26] <jsgotangco> (i just noticed it in my machines just now)
[02:26] <ogra> jsgotangco, you need to enable it in lts.conf
[02:26] <jsgotangco> ogra: right thanks
[02:27] <cbx33> I thought that was right up edubuntu street ?
[02:27] <ogra> cbx33, look at byzanz 
[02:27] <ogra> we already have a screen recording app 
[02:28] <jsgotangco> even istanbul is ok if not needing some more work
[02:28] <ogra> and istanbul was on my initial applist
[02:28] <jsgotangco> yeah but byzanz came like midway of the cycle heh
[02:29] <ogra> byzanz is smaller and produces animated gifs you can just drop on a website without needing a viewer
[02:29] <jsgotangco> yeah
[02:30] <cbx33> Ability for pupils to ask questions of a teacher, in an online fashion, or click on a "I need help" button
[02:30] <ogra> jebber server by default you mean ?
[02:30] <cbx33> yes
[02:30] <ogra> *jabber
[02:31] <cbx33> something like that
[02:31] <jsgotangco> that's also a good thing to add in Amenity
[02:32] <cbx33> Common whiteboards to allow pupils to take part in interactive sessions, displayed on a projector
[02:33] <ogra> phew
[02:33] <cbx33> ogra: want my brain to stop?
[02:33] <ogra> do you think such a thing is doable in 4 months ? 
[02:33] <cbx33> ok ...probably not
[02:33] <ogra> no but stay realistic :) unless i find 10 devs to help me ...
[02:34] <cbx33> ogra: feel free to delete the suggestions you don;t think are realistic
[02:34] <ogra> no, thats a proposal page ... i wont delete anything
[02:34] <EmxBA> hi again
[02:34] <cbx33> ogra: I'll remove them then, because yo uare right
[02:34] <EmxBA> i have told you that i will come back :D
[02:34] <ogra> and having proposals like the above is great but will need more manpower or several releases
[02:35] <cbx33> some are just silly big for edgy
[02:35] <cbx33> ok
[02:35] <ogra> so its good to leave it there as idea
[02:35] <cbx33> I think SCP could turn massive
[02:35] <cbx33> with so many features
[02:35] <ogra> but tag it as "not doable in one release" or something alongside
[02:35] <ogra> yeah
[02:36] <ogra> edgy might be the release for scp and ltsp manager :)
[02:36] <jsgotangco> cbx33: do you mean those huge writeboards?
[02:36] <ogra> i'd love to focus more on GUI stuff this time 
[02:36] <jsgotangco> they're very much driver oriented
[02:36] <cbx33> jsgotangco: no
[02:36] <cbx33> basically the host/teacher would have a whiteboard
[02:36] <jsgotangco> or do you mean a common virtual writeboard
[02:36] <cbx33> yes
[02:37] <cbx33> which is then displayed on a big screen
[02:37] <cbx33> ogra: what kind of GUI things did you have in mind
[02:37] <ogra> jsgotangco, what a suggestion ! you know we're PXE fashists !
[02:38] <jsgotangco> heh!
[02:38] <cbx33> heheh
[02:38] <RobinShepheard> sorry to interrupt, where would I find the download for the testing version or is that yet to come. Yes I do realise that you have just done a new release
[02:38] <jsgotangco> i did that on purpose
[02:38] <ogra> cbx33, mainly finishing scp and ltsp-amanger
[02:38] <cbx33> ogra: ok cool
[02:38] <jsgotangco> RobinShepheard: we haven't even started Edgy =)
[02:38] <cbx33> ogra: I'll see what I can do to help out on ltsp-manager
[02:38] <ogra> RobinShepheard, the edgy archive hasnt even opened :)
[02:38] <cbx33> and scp
[02:39] <jsgotangco> RobinShepheard: we'll probably have a milestone disc in a month
[02:39] <RobinShepheard> i did think that may be the case, but as I am new to the team I thought I had better check
[02:39] <ogra> cbx33, i thought you already jump on s-c-p
[02:39] <cbx33> yes
[02:39] <ogra> stay with that then :)
[02:39] <ogra> its enough work for one 
[02:39] <cbx33> ok
[02:39] <RobinShepheard> scp ... as in ssh type scp???
[02:39] <cbx33> who's project managing scp
[02:39] <ogra> student-control-panel
[02:39] <ogra> me
[02:39] <cbx33> thought so
[02:40] <RobinShepheard> ahh, I did think i must be something else
[02:40] <ogra> but i'll happily hand over to a MOTU (hint hint)
[02:40] <cbx33> hehe
[02:40] <cbx33> awww shucks that's not me yet
[02:40] <RobinShepheard> what have you got to do with the scp??
[02:40] <RobinShepheard> is it actually coding work??
[02:40] <ogra> managing students :)
[02:40] <cbx33> yes
[02:41] <jsgotangco> he just signed his death warrant
[02:41] <RobinShepheard> lol very funny
[02:41] <RobinShepheard> ok cant really help then unfortunately
[02:41] <cbx33> of coruse you can
[02:41] <RobinShepheard> I am not a coder
[02:41] <cbx33> testing :D
[02:41] <ogra> yep, its coding work but also requires decent packaging knowledge (you need to make changes to other packages that are used by s-c-p (like x11vnc))
[02:41] <RobinShepheard> yeah well i had figured on the testing part
[02:41] <cbx33> hehe
[02:42] <RobinShepheard> well beyond my league then
[02:42] <RobinShepheard> what language do you use??
[02:42] <ogra> but indeed like every new software it will need lots of testing etc :)
[02:42] <ogra> python
[02:42] <ogra> with glade guis
[02:42] <jsgotangco> dinner brb
[02:42] <RobinShepheard> ok
[02:43] <cbx33> ahhhh python and glade....I love that combination
[02:44] <RobinShepheard> how difficult is python to learn?? I have not really had a chance to look as yet
[02:44] <cbx33> RobinShepheard: it's pretty easy
[02:44] <cbx33> I've been using it for about 2 weeks
[02:44] <cbx33> and I'm writing gui apps
[02:44] <cbx33> the documentation is excellent
[02:44] <cbx33> IMHO
[02:45] <EmxBA> why there is no edubuntu on list of available distros to translate
[02:45] <RobinShepheard> would it be worth my while trying to learn it then?? Could I be fairly useful in a fairly short time period?
[02:45] <EmxBA> on launchpad.net
[02:45] <ogra> because we use ubuntu packages :) edubuntu is built *inside* of ubuntu
[02:45] <cbx33> RobinShepheard: as I said I've been learning for a 1 week
[02:45] <cbx33> sorry 2 weeks
[02:46] <cbx33> and I'm hopingto be able to help out on scp
[02:46] <ogra> RobinShepheard, pythin is easy to learn 
[02:46] <ogra> *python too
[02:46] <cbx33> learn it
[02:46] <cbx33> ogra: I've never used pythin !
[02:46] <RobinShepheard> ahhh remember you are talking to someone with no education worth speaking about
[02:46] <cbx33> what about pythick 
[02:46] <ogra> or pyknic :)
[02:46] <cbx33> RobinShepheard: do you have any other programming experience?
[02:47] <RobinShepheard> not proper programming as such, just a bit or perl
[02:47] <cbx33> pork pyes?
[02:47] <cbx33> RobinShepheard: as long as you understand that basics you should be fine
[02:47] <ogra> for the pyknic ? sure !
[02:47] <cbx33> take look at python.org
[02:47] <RobinShepheard> no thanks I have just had lunch
[02:47] <cbx33> and check out their documentation section
[02:47] <cbx33> I'll give ya any pointers where I can 
[02:47] <cbx33> but bear in mind I'm no expert
[02:48] <RobinShepheard> I subscribe to the safari bookshelf from oreilly, they have the python books on there
[02:48] <cbx33> indeed
[02:48] <RobinShepheard> cheers for the offer of help cbx33
[02:48] <cbx33> np
[02:48] <RobinShepheard> I may well take you up on that
[02:48] <cbx33> that's what we're ll here for
[02:48] <cbx33> well if you want a small app to disect, that is in development.
[02:48] <cbx33> gISOMount is my first python application
[02:49] <cbx33> launchpad.net/products/gisomount/
[02:49] <RobinShepheard> yeah, I spotted it on your webpage
[02:49] <cbx33> :D
[02:50] <cbx33> pygi is another python coder with a lot more experience than I, as is ogra
[02:50] <cbx33> any others I've missed?
[02:50] <cbx33> notice they'll all stay quiet now so they don;t get bugged with questions :p
[02:50] <RobinShepheard> ok, how do I obtain the source to look at it??
[02:50] <RobinShepheard> lol
[02:50] <cbx33> goto http://www.progbox.co.uk/gisomount
[02:51] <cbx33> there are only 3 files you need
[02:51] <cbx33> gisomount
[02:51] <cbx33> gismount.glade
[02:51] <cbx33> and for asthetics cdicon.png
[02:51] <EmxBA> hey
[02:51] <RobinShepheard> ok on my way now
[02:51] <cbx33> then just make sure that you chmod 755 for gisomount
[02:51] <EmxBA> does anyone know a good site to resize images on 16x16
[02:51] <cbx33> and try running it
[02:54] <ogra> has anybody any further ides for CD size reduction ? 
[02:54] <ogra> *ideas
[02:54] <jsgotangco> ogra: evolution
[02:54] <cbx33> well the ideas you have are great ogra 
[02:54] <cbx33> removing kdeedu would be good
[02:54] <ogra> i want to put it in a megred spec 
[02:54] <ogra> that lists all possibilitys
[02:55] <ogra> jsgotangco, replaced with what ? 
[02:55] <jsgotangco> we could also remove some of the audio apps
[02:55] <jsgotangco> ogra: i cannot see the use of a groupware/email client in a lab...
[02:56] <jsgotangco> since most kids nowadays are webmail users
[02:56] <cbx33> hmmm
[02:56] <ogra> that'd work if we'd offer a webmail server
[02:56] <cbx33> I think there would probably be a need for some mail client 
[02:56] <ogra> but we dont yet
[02:56] <cbx33> ok, I'm after opinions here
[02:57] <cbx33> please shout at me if you think I'm wrong
[02:57] <jsgotangco> xubuntu used thunderbird
[02:57] <ogra> that will bring in huge langpacks
[02:57] <jsgotangco> but if there is enough to warrant a main inclusion or even another gecko/mozilla in the fray, there
[02:57] <ogra> i'm happy we got rid of TB in breezy
[02:57] <jsgotangco> there's seamonkey
[02:57] <cbx33> I just feel that we should be making sure edubuntu and probably ubuntu in the wider community, so that it can sit in a windows network and flourish
[02:58] <jsgotangco> cbx33: it connects to a samba network?
[02:58] <RobinShepheard> cbx33: slick, and looks a fairly simple language
[02:58] <cbx33> in education esp, to move from windows to edubuntu takes a long long time
[02:59] <cbx33> the curriculum has to be rewritten in a lot of cases
[02:59] <jsgotangco> cbx33: well that's just one side..there's the other side using apple networks :P
[02:59] <ogra> probably we should have a look at balsa, it used to be the default client before evo in gnome
[02:59] <cbx33> jsgotangco: true
[02:59] <jsgotangco> ogra: i forgot about balsa..
[02:59] <cbx33> and that'd be great as well
[02:59] <ogra> its in universe though ... not sure what it takes to get it to main
[02:59] <jsgotangco> is it still actively maintained?
[03:00] <cbx33> but majority of school networks are windows based
[03:00] <RobinShepheard> balsa is light and quick
[03:00] <ogra> but is it feature complete ?
[03:00] <ogra> i.e. can it do tls encrypted imap ? 
[03:00] <RobinShepheard> good point
[03:00] <RobinShepheard> havent used it in a longtime
[03:01] <jsgotangco> hmmm
[03:01] <jsgotangco> it suggests gnome-pim
[03:01] <jsgotangco> and gpgsm
[03:01] <cbx33> for a start
[03:01] <cbx33> tehre's no icon
[03:01] <jsgotangco> =)
[03:02] <jsgotangco> try refreshing your session
[03:02] <cbx33> it has ssl
[03:02] <RobinShepheard> does install to the menu though
[03:02] <cbx33> not that I can see....
[03:02] <jsgotangco> sure from a bunch of universe apps
[03:02] <cbx33> I'll refresh in a minute
[03:03] <RobinShepheard> I am popping out for a bit of fresh air, be back in a short while
[03:04] <cbx33> hmmm
[03:04] <RobinShepheard> see you all in a bit
[03:04] <cbx33> but it crashed on message 313
[03:04] <cbx33> out of 5760
[03:04] <cbx33> downloading from inbox
[03:04] <jsgotangco> :)
[03:04] <cbx33> before load_messages: time=1149599062after threading time=1149599062*** glibc detected *** free(): invalid pointer: 0x0000000000c625c0 ***
[03:04] <jsgotangco> file a bug on that
[03:05] <cbx33> it seems to be if I hide the progress window and try to open an email
[03:05] <cbx33> whilst it's downloading the others
[03:05] <jsgotangco> wonder what';s the status of pvanhoof's tinymail
[03:13] <ogra> oh, btw, dont forget that initial specs need to be written if you suggest stuff :P
[03:14] <ogra> (at least if you want it to be done)
[03:36] <cbx33> ogra: well from what I can see, most of mine are non-doers for edgy
[03:44] <cbx33> dont you think?
[03:45] <jsgotangco> dont be so hard on your ideas
[03:45] <jsgotangco> after all in a summit almost half of topics never come to be realized at all
[03:48] <jsgotangco> hmmm
[03:48] <jsgotangco> i just realized something
[03:48] <jsgotangco> supertux isnt even educational
[03:48] <jsgotangco> heh
[03:50] <ogra> didnt you learn anything while playing it ? 
[03:51] <cbx33> jsgotangco: I'm just being realistic ;P
[03:51] <jsgotangco> ogra: i learned how to shoot fireballs to walking snowballs though
[03:52] <ogra> cbx33, if you want it done eventually its helpful if a spec exists 
[03:52] <ogra> jsgotangco, you see :)
[03:52] <cbx33> I have a spec for atleast one of those :p
[03:52] <jsgotangco> its a supermario clone!
[03:52] <cbx33> Datadir: /usr/share/games/supertuxWarning: Unable to open the file "/home/pete/.supertux/config" for read!!!open /dev/sequencer: No such file or directoryError: I could not initialize video!The Simple DirectMedia error that occured was:No I/O port permissions
[03:52] <cbx33> :( any help there?
[03:52] <jsgotangco> how come you seem to get all the weird errors
[03:52] <ogra> but only the sound related ones
[03:53] <jsgotangco> ah right supertux uses sdl
[03:55] <cbx33> ah ok
[03:55] <cbx33> which package do i need
[03:55] <cbx33> it should have suggested it no?
[03:56] <cbx33> libsdl1.2debian ?
[03:58] <blue-frog> hi if I have a seg fault while trying sudo updatedb on edubuntu where should I look to find out what's going on, pls?
[04:01] <blue-frog> ok found some stuff in kern.log about updatedb
[04:04] <cbx33> jsgotangco: :(
[04:04] <cbx33> it's still not working
[04:31] <RobinShepheard> greetings aon and all
[04:31] <RobinShepheard> *one even
[04:38] <cbx33> which package is the gnome applet for network monitoring in
[04:39] <cbx33> I have just found a bug
[04:42] <RobinShepheard> cbx33: do you mean the panel applet???
[04:43] <RobinShepheard> netmon-applet
[04:43] <ogra> netmon-applet is a universe package
[04:44] <ogra> unlikely he means that ... try gnome-applets
[04:45] <cbx33> hmm...am looking at the source now
[04:45] <RobinShepheard> I sort of get lost as I use my laptop all over the place I find it useful to have NetworkManager, kismet and others and so I have to have universe and multiverse
[04:46] <RobinShepheard> are all the applets written in python?
[04:46] <cbx33> hmmm it's not in there 
[04:46] <cbx33> as far as i can see
[04:47] <ogra> ogra@edubuntu:~/Desktop/gnome-screensaver-2.14.2$ apt-cache show gnome-netstatus-applet|grep Source
[04:47] <ogra> Source: gnome-netstatus
[04:47] <ogra> yep...
[04:50] <cbx33> ok got it 
[04:51] <jsgotangco> stupid bzr question but how do i start something when i dont even have a url to branch with?
[04:51] <ogra> you mean creating a new project from your current dir ? 
[04:52] <jsgotangco> yeah
[04:52] <ogra> bzr init
[04:52] <ogra> bzr add *
[04:52] <jsgotangco> doh!
[04:52] <ogra> bzr commit -M'I DID IT !'
[04:52] <ogra> err -m
[04:52] <ogra> bzr viz 
[04:52] <ogra> :)
[04:52] <ogra> in case you have bzrk installed
[04:53] <cbx33> bzrk?
[04:53] <jsgotangco> yeah i have bzrk
[04:55] <RobinShepheard> if I want to look at the source for something, how do I go about getting it, eg gnome-netstatus and where would I find it
[04:56] <RobinShepheard> I have just run apt-get source gnome-netstatus
[04:56] <RobinShepheard> and now I am wondering where the source files are
[04:56] <cbx33> that will cerate a dir
[04:56] <cbx33> look in the folder you just ran that in
[04:56] <cbx33> for gnome-netstatus-1.4.6 blah blah
[04:57] <cbx33> 2.12.0 i think
[04:57] <RobinShepheard> ahh, I was looking for it in usr/src and places like that. It was to easy to consider it would put it in the current dir for my basic intelligence
[04:57] <cbx33> ;p
[04:58] <cbx33> that's why apt-get source can be run w/o root privs
[04:58] <RobinShepheard> got you
[04:59] <RobinShepheard> doh and it is written in c, I was hoping I could look at it for reference for python
[04:59] <cbx33> i know
[04:59] <cbx33> me too
[04:59] <cbx33> bbl guys
[04:59] <RobinShepheard> laters
[05:00] <cbx33> RobinShepheard: when I get in later I'll see if I can find you the tutorials I used
[05:00] <RobinShepheard> cheers for that, it would be most appreciated
[05:00] <RobinShepheard> you got my email address??
[05:04] <bddebian> Heya
[05:05] <jsgotangco> ogra: is s-c-p in your bzr updated?
[05:07] <ogra> yes
[05:18] <EmxBA> hi folks
[05:20] <jsgotangco> hey
[05:20] <bddebian> Hello EmxBA
[05:20] <EmxBA> bddebian: nice to meet ya
[05:20] <EmxBA> does anyone know EdubuntuGirl fro all of you here
[05:20] <EmxBA> *from
[05:21] <bddebian> Not I
[05:21] <jsgotangco> i dont see edubuntugirl that much lately
[05:22] <EmxBA> ok
[05:22] <EmxBA> when does she visit IRC
[05:42] <EmxBA> why nobody doesn' talk
[05:42] <EmxBA> shhhhhhhhhhhhh
[05:44] <RobinShepheard> EmxBA: my excuse is I got users bothering me
[05:44] <RobinShepheard> Typical, just when I get around to talking to him he disappears
[06:29] <cbx33> hey all
[06:32] <highvoltage> hey cbx33 
[06:33] <cbx33> hi highvoltage 
[06:34] <cbx33> howz it going
[06:34] <highvoltage> it's going ok.
[06:34] <highvoltage> actually it's going quite well.
[06:34] <highvoltage> how are you?
[06:34] <cbx33> yeh I'm good
[06:35] <cbx33> highvoltage, AliasVegas has asked if you have pictures of members of the edubuntu team, that are larger than the hackergotchis
[06:35] <Burgwork> highvoltage, do you have some free time this weekend to talk about an edubuntu/tuxlabs case study?
[06:38] <cbx33> hey LaserJock 
[06:38] <highvoltage> cbx33: we could probably get some together
[06:38] <highvoltage> Burgwork: yes, this weekend would be great for that
[06:39] <Burgwork> highvoltage, is about now the best time to reach you?
[06:39] <cbx33> LaserJock, I've added a TODO file in gisomount
[06:39] <cbx33> highvoltage, that'd be great
[06:39] <cbx33> she said sorry she hasnt had a chance to mail you yet
[06:39] <cbx33> LaserJock, I'm gonna work on packaging gisomount tonight
[06:40] <LaserJock> hi cbx33, did you see the items I added to the wiki page
[06:40] <bddebian> HI LASERJOCK! :-)
[06:40] <cbx33> yes
[06:40] <cbx33> woh
[06:40] <cbx33> bddebian, you scared me
[06:40] <bddebian> :)
[06:40] <bddebian> Hi cbx33
[06:40] <cbx33> LaserJock, if you merge you'll find I've added them to the TODO
[06:40] <cbx33> hi bddebian 
[06:40] <cbx33> howz it going
[06:41] <bddebian> OK, thanks.  Yourself?
[06:41] <cbx33> yeh going good
[06:41] <cbx33> learning a lot
[06:41] <cbx33> as always
[06:42] <bddebian> Good, good.  I am the old dog you can't teach new tricks too ;-)
[06:42] <cbx33> yeh right
[06:44] <cbx33> bddebian, you can't tell me a day goes by when you don;t leanr something :p
[06:45] <cbx33> if that's true...then....I bow down :p
[06:45] <LaserJock> cbx33: there is this wiki page ....
[06:45] <bddebian> cbx33: Oh, I didn't say I know anything, just that I can't learn anything :-)
[06:46] <cbx33> hehe
[06:46] <cbx33> LaserJock, ??
[06:48] <bddebian> Noooooooo
[06:48] <cbx33> hehehe
[06:48] <cbx33> :p
[06:48] <cbx33> bddebian, R-E-S-P-E-C-T
[06:49] <cbx33> LaserJock, will you have a few minutes tonight?
[06:50] <cbx33> in about 2 hours
[06:50] <cbx33> ?
[06:50] <highvoltage> hey LaserJock and bddebian 
[06:50] <LaserJock> umm, yeah
[06:50] <bddebian> cbx33: Nah, that was supposed to be BddebianIsADog but Stephen is obviously dyslexic :-)
[06:50] <bddebian> Heya highvoltage
[06:50] <cbx33> just incase I get stuck packaging
[06:50] <cbx33> :p
[06:53] <cbx33> highvoltage, what blueprint docs is it you're reading ?
[06:55] <LaserJock> bddebian: rofl
[06:55] <ogra> guys, dont miss https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuEdgyIdeas
[06:56] <cbx33> I have some more to put on there later ogra 
[06:56] <LaserJock> ogra: oh, awesome
[06:56] <ogra> i mean the guys that werent here in the european morning ;)
[06:56] <cbx33> heheh
[06:57] <ogra> if you grab a spec to work on in paris or add a spec, please write an initial draft on launchpad
[06:57] <ogra> (i'll care for the ltsp ones for now)
[06:57] <lucasvo> crap
[06:57] <ogra> needs to be done until monday
[06:57] <lucasvo> I just broke my router
[06:57] <cbx33> you mean we have till monday?
[06:57] <ogra> whats not on launchpad by monday 00:00 UTC will be dropped
[06:57] <cbx33> eeek
[06:57] <cbx33> ok
[06:57] <bddebian> ogra: The localApps link is broken :-)
[06:58] <ogra> bddebian, i didnt add it ...
[06:58] <LaserJock> what? really?
[06:58] <bddebian> Ah, OK
[06:59] <cbx33> sorry was me
[06:59] <cbx33> I need to put my activedirectory integration on as a spec
[06:59] <cbx33> i have it already written, but as you say ogra its really an ubuntu thing....
[06:59] <cbx33> though I think they will not be keen to do it as we are
[06:59] <cbx33> gtg - food
[06:59] <bddebian> Laterz
[07:00] <LaserJock> ogra: argg, ok we need to put all our idea on that wiki page and then make specs? all by Monday?
[07:00] <ogra> heh
[07:00] <ogra> yes
[07:01] <ogra> but the spec can be a very rough draft, really
[07:01] <LaserJock> hmm, I feel so dumb right now.
[07:02] <ogra> what about the menu stuff ? 
[07:02] <LaserJock> yeah
[07:02] <highvoltage> cbx33: https://wiki.launchpad.canonical.com/BlueprintDocumentation
[07:02] <LaserJock> I think I'm mostly interested in the menu stuff and discipline meta-packs for Universe
[07:03] <ogra> it'd be great if you could flesh out the menu stuff a bit ... the universe packages wont need a spec, we can just build them :)
[07:03] <LaserJock> k
[07:04] <LaserJock> what about themeing between the different "flavors" of Edubuntu, kids, students, unis sort of idea?
[07:05] <ogra> we just need to enhance current edubuntu-artwork functionallity
[07:06] <ogra> that will enable us to make menu options for different flavors in the CD installmenu
[07:07] <highvoltage> ogra: will you be around this weekend?
[07:07] <ogra> highvoltage, probably 
[07:08] <ogra> cant promise because we need to prepare some stuff for moving
[07:08] <highvoltage> ogra: may i send you links to specs i'm going to work on the following days, can i send you links to them for suggestions and improvements?
[07:08] <ogra> sure
[07:08] <highvoltage> i could e-mail it to you too, then you could read it next week, if you don't mind.
[07:09] <highvoltage> i just read through the specification docs, and it seems like a big job to write a decent spec.
[07:09] <ogra> well, we need to be done by monday with a set of braindump versions 
[07:09] <ogra> no,no
[07:09] <ogra> dont write the spec now
[07:09] <ogra> only an initial draft roughly explaining what it should solve
[07:09] <ogra> not more
[07:09] <highvoltage> ok
[07:10] <highvoltage> and that should also go into https://launchpad.net/specs so long?
[07:10] <highvoltage> or a wiki page?
[07:10] <ogra> mdz and/or sabdfl will select a set of specs from the whole
[07:11] <ogra> see https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2006-June/000145.html
[07:11] <ogra> see 3 aqnd 4
[07:12] <ogra> *and
[07:13] <highvoltage> great. thanks.
[07:13] <highvoltage> ogra, have i told you about tuxlabs going solo?
[07:13] <LaserJock> umm, a question I had, if I write a spec does that mean I have to implement it?
[07:13] <highvoltage> LaserJock: no, you don't.
[07:14] <ogra> highvoltage, yes, when is day X ?
[07:14] <highvoltage> LaserJock: https://wiki.launchpad.canonical.com/WritingGoodSpecifications
[07:14] <ogra> LaserJock, a spec should be written in a way bddebian can implement in the end
[07:14] <highvoltage> LaserJock: under the section "Getting outside expertise"
[07:14] <pygi> bddebian, what are you implementing?
[07:14] <LaserJock> ogra: excelent
[07:14] <ogra> :)
[07:14] <highvoltage> ogra: it seems very likely that it's happening within the next 30 days
[07:15] <ogra> nice
[07:15] <highvoltage> ogra: what's great is, today i negotiated that i won't be a full time employee, instead, i'll go on a retainer
[07:15] <highvoltage> which means that i can work in my own time on the work i need to do.
[07:15] <highvoltage> which in turn means, i'll have much more daytime hours to work on edubuntu :)
[07:15] <ogra> cool
[07:17] <LaserJock> arrrggg, I can't think of anything cool right now for Edubuntu.
[07:18] <pygi> ogra, should I also file a spec on ubuntu product for s-c-p or?
[07:18] <highvoltage> LaserJock: put a kid in front of the computer, ideas will start coming to you :)
[07:18] <LaserJock> more apps in less space :-)
[07:18] <LaserJock> highvoltage: unfortunately, I'm the only kid I know ;-)
[07:19] <ogra> LaserJock, there are already plenty of ideas on the wiki, just grab one, no need to add more if you dont have an idea right now
[07:20] <LaserJock> ogra: ok, I'll try to tackle the menu profiles, if that's ok with everybody else
[07:20] <ogra> sure :D
[07:20] <pips1> just had a quick glance through EdubuntuEdgyIdeas and there is a *lot* there already 
[07:21] <ogra> yeps
[07:21] <ogra> we wont be able to do all of it anyway
[07:21] <LaserJock> another thing I was wondering is if we should prefix Edubuntu specs with edubuntu- 
[07:21] <ogra> hmm, good question
[07:21] <ogra> mdz, should we prefix edubuntu specs or tag them anyhow ? 
[07:22] <LaserJock> I'm having a hard time wading through all the specs
[07:22] <ogra> yeah there is a lot (and a lot of crap that someone should clean up)
[07:22] <mdz> ogra: why?
[07:22] <pygi> I shall take care of it
[07:22] <pygi> Enhance the student-control-panel (make it feature complete with the initially planned fetures) 
[07:22] <ogra> mdz, well, the menu spec is very edubuntu specific for example 
[07:23] <ogra> hmm, actually i think thats the only one that only affects edubuntu from EdubuntuEdgyIdeas
[07:24] <LaserJock> not the CD ones?
[07:24] <bddebian> pygi: ?
[07:24] <ogra> the "CD ones" will be merged to a single (minimize CD) one
[07:24] <LaserJock> k
[07:25] <pygi> bddebian, nothin' ;)
[07:25] <ogra> the list there is only for suggestions what to drop or to change to get it smaller
[07:26] <bddebian> Oh, I missed that.  What AM I implementing?? :-)
[07:26] <LaserJock> all the Edgy specs
[07:27] <bddebian> Oh, sweetness :-)
[07:27] <mdz> ogra: name them as you like, but there is no way to filter presently
[07:27] <ogra> yep, ok
[07:28] <LaserJock> well, they are alphabetically listed, no?
[07:30] <cbx33> phew I'm a back
[07:31] <cbx33> yum yum
[07:32] <LaserJock> ogra: ok, so the idea is to have menu profiles that correlate with the theme (young, plain, etc.) through edubuntu-artwork?
[07:32] <cbx33> ogra, thanks for showing me bzrk
[07:32] <lucasvo> bah, british food is supposed to be good?? 
[07:32] <lucasvo> ;)
[07:32] <ogra> LaserJock, nope, the idea was rather to bind menu profiles to group assignment ...
[07:33] <LaserJock> ok, but I'm struggling as to what the group assignment would be
[07:33] <lucasvo> cbx33: ah, yes. italian food is good
[07:33] <ogra> LaserJock, you have a chemistry group, if you add the user to it, gnome-emnus detects that and adds the appropriate items
[07:33] <cbx33> ogra, sounds good
[07:33] <ogra> so syou only have to add users to the appropriate group 
[07:33] <LaserJock> ogra: ok, so these are predefined groups?
[07:33] <ogra> (note that is a draft, it might change into a compeltely different implementation during the summit)
[07:33] <cbx33> there would be the facility to add new ones?
[07:34] <LaserJock> and then an administrator (or somebody) assigns the user to a set of groups?
[07:34] <ogra> yes
[07:34] <ogra> and yes
[07:34] <LaserJock> k
[07:35] <ogra> indeed, if you want to bind it to the theme, do that, write it as you like, as i said, it can change 180 during the discussion
[07:35] <highvoltage> ogra: is this okay for a spec draft? https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/edubuntu-xfce-desktop
[07:36] <ogra> highvoltage, looks ok to me ...
[07:37] <ogra> you should probably add that we want an additional menu entry in the CD install menu
[07:37] <cbx33> ogra, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ActiveDirectoryIntegration
[07:37] <cbx33> I wrote that a while ago
[07:37] <cbx33> ok ok?
[07:37] <highvoltage> ogra: ok
[07:37] <ogra> cbx33, sure
[07:38] <Burgwork> ogra, have you and Amaranth set a date/time for your meeting?
[07:38] <ogra> Burgwork, not yet
[07:38] <Burgwork> ok, no worries
[07:38] <ogra> thansk for the reminder
[07:39] <cbx33> ok updated link on the edgy ideas page to link  to my spec.
[07:40] <cbx33> Since upgrading to dapper there is something seriously wrong with this laptop
[07:40] <ogra> good
[07:40] <cbx33> :(
[07:40] <Burgwork> ogra, funny, given that I am not mentoring, I seem to be doing a great deal of work for SoC :)
[07:40] <cbx33> it keeps freezing for a few secs and skipping keys
[07:40] <ogra> Burgwork, queue up with pygi :)
[07:40] <LaserJock> Burgwork: maybe you need an adjunct position ;)
[07:41] <ogra> Burgwork, probably you two should make a LP team external-soc-helpers :)
[07:41] <Burgwork> indeed
[07:41] <LaserJock> or maybe soc-drivers ;-)
[07:41] <Burgwork> lol
[07:42] <highvoltage> ogra: don't joke, we actually have a project called socks at TSF :)
[07:42] <cbx33> i knew I shouldn't have upgraded to dapper
[07:42] <highvoltage> http://socks.tsf.org.za
[07:42] <cbx33> this laptop has some strange quirks
[07:43] <ogra> highvoltage, well, do you also have external sock helpers ? 
[07:43] <cbx33> heheh
[07:43] <highvoltage> well, not yet :)
[07:43] <ogra> hehe
[07:44] <pips1> LOL
[07:44] <LaserJock> we should have a sabdfl puppet :-)
[07:44] <cbx33> this is annoying me now
[07:44] <pygi> ogra, what I did again? :)
[07:44] <pips1> hehe
[07:44] <cbx33> GRRRRR
[07:44] <cbx33> my laptop keeps ignoring keyboard input for a few seconds
[07:44] <pygi> Burgwork, what happened? :P
[07:45] <ogra> cbx33, check what dmesg says
[07:45] <pips1> LaserJock could you make one? a sabdfl sock puppet... hehe
[07:45] <pips1> washed out jeans and all
[07:45] <cbx33> nothing
[07:45] <Burgwork> pygi, should I cc'ed you in on emails about Anselmo?
[07:46] <cbx33> ogra, there's nothing in there
[07:46] <Burgwork> should I have, rather
[07:46] <pygi> Burgwork, if you wish, I tend to help everybody anyway :P
[07:46] <Burgwork> pygi, ok, just sent an email to dholbach and anselmo regarding a meeting to get started on anselmo's soc stuff
[07:47] <ogra> cbx33, did you run out of diskspace ? there must be a return if you type dmesg in a terminal
[07:47] <pygi> oki, thanks for help ;)
[07:47] <cbx33> ogra, oh yeh there is
[07:47] <cbx33> just nothing related to the problem
[07:47] <cbx33> no entries since the problem occured
[07:47] <cbx33> it happens every minute or so
[07:48] <Burgwork> Xymor, please turn off your away message
[07:48] <Burgwork>  /ctcp Xymor PAGE please turn off your away message
[07:48] <pygi> Burgwork, making external soc helpers team? :P
[07:48] <Amaranth> ogra: what times would be good for you?
[07:49] <ogra> how about tomorrow before the edubuntu meeting (should be daytime for you, its evening for me)
[07:49] <cbx33> are we 20:00 tomorrow?
[07:50] <ogra> yep
[07:50] <ogra> 20:00 UTC
[07:50] <LaserJock> heah, its a membership meeting isn't it?
[07:50] <LaserJock> \o/
[07:50] <ogra> yep, might take longer than usual, even the general topics will all be short :)
[07:51] <cbx33> I'm going to throw this laptop ootw in a minute
[07:51] <pygi> Burgwork, if you need any help with SoC related stuff, just poke
[07:52] <Burgwork> pygi, yep no worries. My major concern right now is a workable plan, so that we get at least something by the end
[07:52] <pygi> Burgwork, I agree
[07:52] <Burgwork> and we consider the longterm maintence
[07:52] <LaserJock> ogra: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/edubuntu-dynamic-menus
[07:52] <pygi> Burgwork, some students already said they wont continue maintaing stuff :(
[07:53] <pygi> Sadly, they havent said that in their application
[07:53] <cbx33> that sux
[07:53] <Burgwork> yep
[07:53] <cbx33> you can tell whos in it for the long haul and who isn't
[07:53] <ogra> LaserJock, looks good :)
[07:53] <Burgwork> the problem with bounties is that you sometimes get people are who are just in it for the bounty
[07:53] <cbx33> yeh
[07:53] <pygi> Burgwork, indeed :-/
[07:54] <cbx33> LaserJock, looks great
[07:54] <Burgwork> thankfully, there are some good people this year, like ajmitch, desrt and Amaranth 
[07:54] <pygi> Burgwork, szilvester is great also
[07:54] <pygi> (bzr gui)
[07:54] <Burgwork> I guess I should have rather said, already well integrated
[07:54] <Burgwork> yep
[07:55] <pygi> zsync stuff for apt will be great if the student manages to do it
[07:56] <cbx33> ogra, where did you get your sample rules file
[07:56] <pygi> Burgwork, Have you talked with Camille?
[07:57] <pygi> That's the only person I havent talked to 
[07:57] <Burgwork> pygi, Camille? no
[07:57] <Burgwork> I have only talked with Anselmo and another guy regarding their projects
[07:57] <pygi> Burgwork, ergh, has the student even talked with its mentor?
[07:57] <Burgwork> the other guy, no
[07:57] <Burgwork> I wish I could code
[07:58] <highvoltage> Burgwork: you can :)
[07:58] <pygi> Burgwork, let's try to poke jbailey at -devel
[07:58] <Burgwork> pygi, who is jbailey mentoring?
[07:58] <pygi> Camille Percy, the controversial student
[07:58] <Burgwork> what is Camille Percy doing?
[07:58] <cbx33> controversial in what way?
[07:59] <cbx33> :p
[07:59] <pygi> Burgwork, some Samba Config UI
[07:59] <Amaranth> stupid wireless
[07:59] <Amaranth> ogra: that time should be good for me
[07:59] <pygi> cbx33, he or she, whatever it is, copied entire application from our wiki
[07:59] <pygi> Burgwork, he's in bzr
[07:59] <Amaranth> i think it's 3pm
[07:59] <Burgwork> ah, I see
[08:00] <Burgwork> don't we already have that, in the form of g-s-t?
[08:00] <Burgwork> Ubuntu Welcome Center <-- this is the one that worries me the msot
[08:00] <pygi> Burgwork, we havent actually accepted that application...it got in because we had duplicate students
[08:00] <Amaranth> ogra: so 19:00 GMT?
[08:00] <pygi> same with Ubuntu welcome center, which we surely wont include into distro
[08:00] <ogra> Amaranth, sounds fine
[08:00] <Burgwork> yep
[08:00] <Amaranth> and that's tomorrow?
[08:00] <Amaranth> oh, topic
[08:00] <ogra> yep :)
[08:01] <Amaranth> i'm keeping track of appointments, i feel so grown-up ;)
[08:01] <Burgwork> pygi, the doc team (myself mostly) spoke a long time with him over irc, trying to talk to him about how to get his stuff integrated. He wouldn't budge :(
[08:01] <Amaranth> hard to keep evolution open when that's all i use it for though
[08:01] <ogra> haha
[08:01] <cbx33> hehe nice one Amaranth 
[08:01] <pygi> Burgwork, eh :(
[08:02] <cbx33> Burgwork, who was that?|
[08:02] <Burgwork> pygi, I wanted him to eithre work on yelp or ubitquity
[08:02] <Burgwork> cbx33, ghee22
[08:03] <highvoltage> ogra: geez, this ccapers can surely type a lot!
[08:03] <bddebian> heh
[08:04] <LaserJock> lol
[08:04] <ogra> highvoltage, /ingnore *g*
[08:04] <ogra> i was surprised jammcq took the time for this lengthy answer
[08:05] <highvoltage> yep. i can't believe that someone takes all that time to type out long, pointless e-mails, and so many of them too!
[08:05] <highvoltage> perhaps it's some kind of script or something.
[08:05] <ogra> lol, surely not
[08:05] <ogra> ask JaneW :)
[08:06] <pygi> Burgwork, agreed, that would be good
[08:06] <Burgwork> pygi, yep
[08:06] <Burgwork> pygi, you in #ubuntu-devel ?
[08:06] <pygi> Burgwork, yup
[08:06] <HedgeMage> hi there
[08:07] <HedgeMage> what's up in #ubuntu-devel?
[08:07] <LaserJock> HedgeMage!
[08:07] <LaserJock> I got an email from LP about you today :-)
[08:08] <HedgeMage> LaserJock: Hehe :)
[08:08] <HedgeMage> :P
[08:09] <LaserJock> oh, cool
[08:09] <LaserJock> but I really should accept it for a couple days
[08:09] <LaserJock> shouldn't
[08:10] <HedgeMage> LaserJock: what happens in a couple days?
[08:10] <LaserJock> well, I should stay impartial ;-)
[08:10] <HedgeMage> ahh :D
[08:11] <LaserJock> I can't be taking bribes, at least from #edubuntu
[08:11] <HedgeMage> lol
[08:11] <ogra> do it in PM :))
[08:11] <HedgeMage> no witnesses!
[08:11] <ogra> just be careful, all #ubuntu channels are logged 
[08:12] <ogra> big brother is watching ;)
[08:12] <HedgeMage> hehe
[08:13] <HedgeMage> there, privacy
[08:13] <HedgeMage> ;)
[08:13] <LaserJock> *cough*/msg*cough*
[08:13] <HedgeMage> (just kidding)
[08:13] <ogra> *g*
[08:13] <highvoltage> oh no! so if i actually do throw someone off a cliff, it was logged that i'd do it!
[08:14] <HedgeMage> LaserJock: my idea was funnier, being a spectacular abuse of power that's rediculously out of character for me :P
[08:14] <LaserJock> oh, fine
[08:14] <Seveas> HedgeMage, yeah, voicing would be "in character" :
[08:15] <HedgeMage> Seveas: ROFL
[08:20] <bddebian> Absolutely ;-)
[08:21] <HedgeMage> LOL
[08:21] <cbx33> HedgeMage, it will now :D
[08:22] <LaserJock> likes eggs -1
[08:22] <LaserJock> likes pickles +1
[08:24] <cbx33> ok
[08:24] <cbx33> ogra, I've found out some more information
[08:24] <pygi> HedgeMage, I'll get all the people from #ubuntu-*
[08:24] <cbx33> it's changing letters too
[08:24] <cbx33> or seems to be
[08:25] <cbx33> brb
[08:26] <HedgeMage> lol
[08:28] <pygi> ttyl Burgwork 
[08:30] <Burgwork> cya pygi 
[08:47] <RobinShepheard> hello one and all
[08:47] <cbx33> hi RobinShepheard 
[08:48] <RobinShepheard> cbx33: hiya
[08:48] <LaserJock> RobinShepheard!
[08:48] <RobinShepheard> LaserJock how are you??
[08:48] <LaserJock> good, busy, but good
[08:49] <LaserJock> and you?
[08:49] <cbx33> bbiaw guys
[08:49] <cbx33> thanks LaserJock 
[08:49] <RobinShepheard> lol I know that one, work kept interupting my chats here earlier :)
[08:49] <cbx33> I'll see you in a while
[08:49] <RobinShepheard> see you later cbx22
[08:49] <RobinShepheard> doh cbx33
[08:49] <cbx33> heheh
[08:49] <cbx33> not using tab completion? :p
[08:50] <HedgeMage> see ya cbx33
[08:51] <RobinShepheard> HedgeMage: What time is it where you are now?
[08:51] <LaserJock> almost noon
[08:52] <RobinShepheard> ahhh wondered as it wasn't that long ago I remember her saying she was heading for bed :)
[08:53] <RobinShepheard> Has anyone started some sort of database of hardware that people have for testing on??
[08:54] <ogra> RobinShepheard, hwdb.ubuntu.com has plenty of datasets, just no database backend to make more use out of the data
[08:55] <HedgeMage> it was suggested on the dev list, but I don't know if it's been done
[08:55] <ogra> hwdb needs a lot of enhancements and bugfixes ... it also needs a split of front and backend code since the kde guys want to start using it too
[08:56] <LaserJock> was there a SoC project about that?
[08:56] <ogra> nope
[08:57] <LaserJock> hmm, must have been just that -devel thread I was thinking about
[08:57] <ogra> but its on mdz's list for paris specs
[08:57] <LaserJock> oh maybe that's it
[08:58] <highvoltage> ogra: usergroup driven profiles are so that regular users won't see admin menus, and so that you can have customised menu sets for (as an example), primary school, high school and university users?
[08:58] <HedgeMage> Hmm... it seems to just be procs, memory, etc... no info on sound cards and peripherals that are working, etc.
[08:59] <LaserJock> highvoltage: I think that coule be a possibility but also the use case I've got on https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuDynamicMenus
[08:59] <highvoltage> LaserJock: thanks for that
[08:59] <LaserJock> hehe, not much to read yet
[09:01] <highvoltage> cool, i'm just going to link to that spec from EdubuntuEdgyIdeas
[09:01] <LaserJock> I did
[09:01] <highvoltage> heh. i just noticed.
[09:01] <ogra> highvoltage, gnome-menus already has a patch for users in the admin group, i'd like to enhance that functionallity for us
[09:01] <RobinShepheard> I reckon that sounds like a cool plan, especially if you could tie it in to a central calender so that it was lesson specific
[09:01] <ogra> thats the easiest
[09:02] <highvoltage> ok.
[09:02] <RobinShepheard> not that I am asking a lot or anything
[09:02] <LaserJock> hehe
[09:03] <LaserJock> well it would be cool to have a teacher admin center (does schooltool do that?) where the teach could specify the groups each student belongs to
[09:03] <ogra> that could be an enhancement to S-C-P 
[09:03] <ogra> well, no, rather not
[09:04] <RobinShepheard> I am not sure how they work so bear with me, but could you load a custom menu at login based on a time check?? Is it just a text file basically
[09:04] <RobinShepheard> or is there more too it than that??
[09:05] <ogra> there are various way to implement that, so there are plenty of answers to that question :)
[09:06] <RobinShepheard> ok fair point, I was just thinking if it is a text file, on login you check time and then compare time to set day for set class and load the file
[09:06] <RobinShepheard> add the script into bash.rc
[09:06] <RobinShepheard> if you can do it that way of course
[09:10] <RobinShepheard> LaserJock: how would you do the groups, would it be by subject or by class group. I was wondering because if you did it by subject you would have to change it every lesson
[09:10] <RobinShepheard> where as if it was by class group, you could load based on a schedule
[09:11] <LaserJock> RobinShepheard: I was thinking a little more static than that, like for a semester or something
[09:11] <RobinShepheard> ahh ok, 
[09:11] <LaserJock> but I'm pretty sure it coule be expanded to do whatever, we just need to work through the implementation
[09:12] <RobinShepheard> reason I ask is the school I went to had six lessons a day and a 2 week rotation, so 10 different days with different lessons
[09:13] <highvoltage> what's the new name for espresso again? i keep forgetting that word :/
[09:13] <LaserJock> but would the apps change that much?
[09:13] <LaserJock> highvoltage: ubiquity
[09:13] <RobinShepheard> and we did most subjects in those 10 days, only real difference between each pupil was which second language and whether you did history or geography
[09:13] <highvoltage> LaserJock: thanks
[09:13] <ogra> if you really bind it to a schedule a student wont be able to work on chemistry stuff if his bio teacher is ill and he has a spare hour
[09:14] <LaserJock> right
[09:14] <LaserJock> I would really think that correlating it to like a semester or some larger block of time would be a better way to go
[09:14] <ogra> so this could only be an optional thing to suit all needs ... but its not the time to discuss it now ...
[09:14] <ogra> we'll have plenty of time for that in paris
[09:15] <RobinShepheard> fair point, sort of depends at which education level you are pitching at, primary and most secondary schools in england provide cover if a teacher is off
[09:15] <RobinShepheard> what is happening in paris??
[09:15] <LaserJock> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuDynamicMenus
[09:16] <LaserJock> doh
[09:16] <ogra> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperSummitParis
[09:16] <LaserJock> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperSummitParis/Attendees
[09:16] <ogra> :)
[09:16] <LaserJock> doh, missed again
[09:16] <LaserJock> for goodness sakes, i should have just typed it out
[09:16] <ogra> well, you sent an ad for your spec first, so you had to miss :P
[09:17] <LaserJock> hehe
[09:17] <LaserJock> ogra: what package should this be implemented in?
[09:18] <ogra> you'll likely need a hook in gnome-menus and a new add on package for the menu structure (to not clutter ubuntu with it)
[09:19] <LaserJock> right
[09:20] <RobinShepheard> if I want to learn a language to help out with the development side is the general agreement that python is the most useful?
[09:20] <ogra> for ubuntu it is, yes
[09:20] <ogra> and one of the easier to learn
[09:21] <RobinShepheard> and it follows that it is pretty useful for edubuntu te
[09:21] <RobinShepheard> doh then even
[09:21] <ogra> yep
[09:21] <LaserJock> and for life in general ;-)
[09:21] <ogra> as i said to someone before today, edubuntu is developed *inside* of ubuntu
[09:22] <RobinShepheard> and I thought that was why I learnt perl
[09:22] <RobinShepheard> cos that was good for life in general
[09:22] <ogra> perl is a good start to learn python ... just drop all the semicolons and brackets and you get to python :)
[09:23] <LaserJock> I thought perl was to make students live's miserable, guess I missed that :-)
[09:23] <ogra> heh
[09:23] <RobinShepheard> ok reckon that is a good place to start then, give a month or so and I shall possibly be asking for a bit of work and guidance
[09:23] <ogra> lots of frozen scriptcode :)
[09:24] <LaserJock> RobinShepheard: I'm right there with you, I'm not a programmer by any means and I'm starting to take up Python
[09:24] <RobinShepheard> I am stuck running on a SCO box for some of the apps at work ---- not out of choice, I would dump that if I could and that comes with perl
[09:24] <RobinShepheard> so it is the best for the job, well the only one for the job
[09:25] <LaserJock> no python?
[09:25] <RobinShepheard> reckon I will take up python, always did like snakes anyway. 
[09:25] <RobinShepheard> No it is an old sco openserver 5 box
[09:26] <RobinShepheard> I am currently trying to persuade the developers of the app to mave to linux but they are a bit stuck in their wway
[09:36] <RobinShepheard> I had better go and spend a bit of time with my better half, see everyone around
[09:41] <pygi> Burgwork, poke ;)
[10:15] <lucasvo> http://internetstat.us/
[10:15] <lucasvo> that is cool
[10:16] <ogra> LaserJock, you missed the best :)
[10:16] <ogra> LaserJock, 
 bddebian: indeed, your wiki link from launchpad is broken :-)
 It is?
 Hmm
 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BarrydeFreese
 it links to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bddebian
 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BddebianIsAGod ?
 which does not exist
 however, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BddebianIsAGod does
[10:17] <ogra> *giggle*
[10:17] <LaserJock> ohhhhh yeahhh
[10:17] <bddebian> gah
[10:18] <highvoltage> *giggles too*
[10:18] <pygi> ogra, we saw :P
[10:18] <ogra> pygi, LaserJock didnt
[10:19] <pygi> ogra, yup, I know ;) No worries :)
[10:20] <Burgwork> pygi, pong
[10:20] <pygi> Burgwork, I have several ideas, so if you are willing to listen...
[10:21] <pygi> or shall we move to another channel?
[10:21] <Burgwork> pygi, now is not a good time. later tongiht/
[10:21] <Burgwork> ?
[10:21] <lucasvo> ogra: could you post the link about the edgy spec again?
[10:21] <pygi> Burgwork, oki :)
[10:21] <lucasvo> I can't find it in the logs
[10:21] <pygi> wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuEdgyIdeas
[10:22] <pygi> Burgwork, just poke :)
[10:22] <lucasvo> pygi: thanks
[10:26] <lucasvo> is landscape planned for edgy?
[10:27] <Burgwork> lucasvo, once we know what landscape is
[10:27] <ogra> no idea about the timeline
[10:27] <HedgeMage> what's landscape?
[10:27] <Burgwork> HedgeMage, some ubersecret web-based config tool
[10:29] <HedgeMage> Burgwork: erk.
[10:29] <ogra> highvoltage, ...
[10:29] <ogra> !edubuntu
[10:29] <ubotu> Edubuntu is the education version of ubuntu (essentially ubuntu + educational apps + ltsp).  Website - http://www.edubuntu.org. Tour - http://edubuntu.org/tour.html
[10:30] <ogra> does the tour.html still exist ?
[10:31] <lucasvo> uhh
[10:32] <lucasvo> somebody messed up the fonts in the menu on edubuntu.org
[10:35] <highvoltage> nope, it's the screenshots page now
[10:35] <highvoltage> !forget Edubuntu
[10:35] <ubotu> i forgot edubuntu, highvoltage
[10:35] <sbartleylinux> ogra: any chance you have looked at the local printer support capability since dapper release?
[10:36] <highvoltage> ubotu: Edubuntu is the education version of Ubuntu (Ubuntu + educational apps + LTSP). Website - http://www.edubuntu.org. Screenshots: http://www.edubuntu.org/Screenshots
[10:36] <ubotu> okay, highvoltage
[10:36] <highvoltage> !edubuntu
[10:36] <ubotu> edubuntu is probably the education version of Ubuntu (Ubuntu + educational apps + LTSP). Website - http://www.edubuntu.org. Screenshots: http://www.edubuntu.org/Screenshots
[10:36] <ogra> hmm
[10:36] <ogra> it should mention #edubuntu as well
[10:36] <highvoltage> !forget Edubuntu
[10:36] <ogra> since its an IRC bot :)
[10:36] <ubotu> i forgot edubuntu, highvoltage
[10:36] <lucasvo> highvoltage: ubotu, no Edubuntu is ... also works
[10:37] <highvoltage> ubotu: Edubuntu is the education version of Ubuntu (Ubuntu + educational apps + LTSP). Channel: #edubuntu. Website - http://www.edubuntu.org. Screenshots: http://www.edubuntu.org/Screenshots
[10:37] <ubotu> okay, highvoltage
[10:37] <ribbedrabbit> hi there can some-one help??  My "Alcarte Menu Editor"  does not work.  It opens and then just dissapears before It gets to the first menu.  I have uninstalled and reinstalled it don't work?  Any suggestions.  I'm using edubuntu
[10:37] <highvoltage> lucasvo: ok, lucasvo 
[10:37] <highvoltage> ;)
[10:38] <ogra> ribbedrabbit, what happens if you run alacarte from a terminal ?
[10:39] <Amaranth> uh oh
[10:39] <pygi> Amaranth, heh :)
[10:40] <ribbedrabbit> ogra: how do i do that?
[10:40] <ogra> ribbedrabbit, open a terminal window from the menu and type alacarte and hit enter 
[10:42] <ribbedrabbit> ogra, ok will try and then paste to bin
[10:42] <ogra> yep
[10:42] <Amaranth> that reminds me
[10:43] <Amaranth> any non-ubuntu users of alacarte 0.8 are getting a raw deal
[10:43] <ribbedrabbit> ogra, heres the link http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15208
[10:43] <ogra> Amaranth, dapper-updates is open for cresher fixes (if they are small) :)
[10:44] <ogra> *crasher
[10:44] <ribbedrabbit> thanx for the help
[10:44] <Amaranth> oh crap
[10:44] <Amaranth> i thought ubuntu had utf-8 filenames
[10:45] <ogra> it has
[10:45] <ogra> but users can switch locales ;)
[10:47] <Amaranth> it also looks like seb128 didn't use my updated libgnomeui patch :(
[10:48] <ribbedrabbit> ogra, any ideas?
[10:49] <ogra> ribbedrabbit, what language are you using your desktop in ? 
[10:49] <Amaranth> ribbedrabbit: i'll whip up a patch tonight, hopefully it can get into dapper-updates
[10:50] <ribbedrabbit> ogra,  language?? not sure - English?
[10:50] <ogra> ribbedrabbit, you're lucky, Amaranth is the guy who cares for alacarte seems you found a bug
[10:50] <Amaranth> yeah, pyxdg bug
[10:50] <Amaranth> luckily in edgy alacarte won't be using pyxdg anymore :)
[10:51] <ogra> :)
[10:51] <ribbedrabbit> Ok cool, Cause i've been using it alot I like it too! then it stopped working happened the same time I had a bug with my reposties
[10:51] <ogra> do you implement your own version of xdg ? 
[10:52] <Amaranth> ogra: nope, i talk to gnome-menus
[10:52] <ogra> ah, cool
[10:52] <LaserJock> hmm, seems like we need to steal Amaranth for an edgy spec ;-)
[10:52] <Amaranth> i had a patch to make gnome-menus 2.14.0 work with alacarte cvs
[10:53] <Amaranth> seb128 teased me by saying it'd be in the next gnome-menus upload, i think he meant in edgy :/
[10:53] <ogra> LaserJock, hey, he's busy with the proxy ...
[10:53] <Amaranth> heh
[10:53] <Amaranth> that reminds me
[10:53] <Amaranth> it seems a transparent proxy can't do HTTPS
[10:53] <Amaranth> so this is going to be interesting
[10:53] <LaserJock> well, at least having him around to bug is nice
[10:53] <ogra> well, apache can if you use it as proxy
[10:54] <Amaranth> yeah, but transparently?
[10:54] <Amaranth> without configuring, say, firefox to use a proxy could you use apache to do HTTPS proxying?
[10:55] <ogra> transparence should happen through iptables 
[10:55] <Amaranth> *shrug*
[10:55] <Amaranth> the squid guys say you can't do it
[10:55] <Amaranth> on that note, would using a sortof man-in-the-middle attack to filter HTTPS be a bad idea?
[10:56] <Amaranth> otherwise you have to rely on domain blacklisting
[10:56] <Amaranth> crap, gtg
[10:56] <ogra> lets talk abut it tomorrow 
[10:56] <Amaranth> ok
[10:56] <ogra> :)
[11:14] <LaserJock> ogra: bah, who cares about kubuntu meetings ;-)
[11:14] <ogra> lol
[11:14] <ogra> Riddell :)
[11:14] <highvoltage> goodnight, #edubuntu
[11:14] <highvoltage> lol@laserjock
[11:24] <lucasvo> oh right, tomorrow is the meeting?
[11:25] <ogra> tomorrow evening
[11:25] <pips1> lucasvo yep
[11:26] <lucasvo> crap
[11:26] <lucasvo> I have exams the day after tomorrow
[11:26] <ogra> well, we wont have much to talk
[11:26] <ogra> dapper is out the door and edgy didnt start yet
[11:26] <ogra> so main purpose will be EC meeting
[11:26] <lucasvo> hm, nothing important? 
[11:26] <lucasvo> good
[11:26] <lucasvo> ogra: is there a maximum of members you elect?
[11:27] <ogra> lol
[11:27] <ogra> not at all
[11:27] <ogra> bring 100 contributors and we'll approve who's appropriate 
[11:27] <ogra> (probably not in one meeting though)
[11:27] <lucasvo> who's on the list for tomorrow?
[11:27] <lucasvo> is it in the agenda?
[11:28] <ogra> yes
[11:28] <lucasvo> ah Hedgemage
[11:29] <ogra>  /topic has all important links you need ;)
[11:29] <lucasvo> what's the nick of MarioDanic?
[11:29] <ogra> pygi
[11:29] <HedgeMage> lucasvo: pygi
[11:29] <lucasvo> ah
[11:29] <lucasvo> :P
[11:30] <pygi> lucasvo, what I did to you? :P
[11:30] <HedgeMage> pygi: lol
[11:30] <lucasvo> pygi: nothing
[11:30] <lucasvo> HedgeMage, and pygi will be elected tomorro :)
[11:31] <lucasvo> well hopefully 
[11:31] <HedgeMage> :)
[11:31] <pygi> lucasvo, nah :)
[11:31] <HedgeMage> here's hoping :)
[11:31] <HedgeMage> thanks lucasvo 
[11:31] <HedgeMage> you going to be there?
[11:32] <lucasvo> HedgeMage: probably not
[11:32] <lucasvo> since I have a stupid french vocab test
[11:32] <HedgeMage> awww :(
[11:32] <HedgeMage> oh well
[11:32] <lucasvo> HedgeMage: I can't elect you anyway :)
[11:33] <ogra> but you can cheer for her
[11:33] <lucasvo> well, I could hire a bot for me to whistle and clap the whole time
[11:33] <HedgeMage> lucasvo: but I was told to bring an entourage.
[11:33] <lucasvo> that'd be fun
[11:33] <pygi> HedgeMage, I am planning to break the record with at least 1k people here ;)
[11:33] <lucasvo> hm, ok, you can quote 
[11:33] <HedgeMage> lol @ "hire a bot..."
[11:33] <HedgeMage> pygi: hehe
[11:39] <pips1> night all, cu tomorrow
[11:40] <lucasvo> night pygi 
[11:40] <pygi> night lucasvo 
[11:40] <lucasvo> oh crap
[11:40] <lucasvo> I wanted to write pips
[11:40] <lucasvo> I am not leaving yet
[11:40] <lucasvo> still got tons of schoolwork to do
[11:42] <pygi> ah, oki then ;)
[11:43] <Amaranth> is that at the edubuntu meeting?
[11:43] <pygi> Amaranth, hm?
[11:44] <Amaranth> the voting
[11:44] <pygi> you mean for HedgeMage and people?
[11:44] <pygi> yup
[11:44] <Amaranth> i'll be there :)
[11:44] <lucasvo> in about 20h
[11:45] <pygi> Amaranth, o joy, I have to run away then :P
[11:49] <HedgeMage> :)
[11:59] <pygi> HedgeMage, what's the job status?
[11:59] <pygi> (the one you applied for)