=== linuxmonkey [n=linuxmon@unaffiliated/LinuxMonkey] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:13] Riddell: are you awake ? [12:16] bye [12:17] Riddell: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=128403 <-- could you have a look at this, it may by a kubuntu specific bug... Also I'm sure I don't use scim. [12:17] KDE bug 128403 in general "Kmail/Kontact won't reload after crashing (crash again)" [Crash,Resolved: invalid] [12:19] <\sh> he should use strace and gdb [12:19] can anyone confirm bug 40385? [12:19] Malone bug 40385 in kdebase "kdesu programs fail to start first time" [Normal,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/40385 [12:20] <\sh> which app should I start with kdesu? [12:20] goldenear: is there a backtrace? [12:20] a backtrace ? [12:20] <\sh> goldenear: gdb ;) [12:20] <\sh> Riddell: no.there is not [12:20] ah... no :( [12:21] goldenear: do you get drkonqi crash dialogue when the programme crashes? [12:21] no I didn't [12:22] A least, I don't think so... [12:22] <\sh> Riddell: #40385 starting adept, can't reproduce [12:22] \sh: thanks [12:22] tonio confirmed it though, guess I need to ask him [12:23] <\sh> Riddell: any other app which is using kdesu during startup via menu? [12:23] Riddell: #40385 I can also confirm this... sometimes kdesu fails to start [12:23] \sh: language selector [12:24] goldenear: I can't recreate the crash [12:24] <\sh> qt-language-selector? [12:24] yes [12:24] <\sh> Riddell: no...not reproducable [12:24] <\sh> Riddell: at least not for me [12:25] <\sh> adept takes too long [12:25] <\sh> but is starting [12:25] that's fixed in 2.1 I believe [12:26] Riddell: #40385 I had the problem often with adept-notifier [12:27] <\sh> even with adept-notifier i can't reproduce [12:28] Ubugtu: bug 40385 [12:28] Malone bug 40385 in kdebase "kdesu programs fail to start first time" [Normal,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/40385 [12:28] \sh: i can't reproduce either but heard people see that sometimes [12:30] <\sh> mornfall: hmm...when the sun hides behind the moon, and the indian ocean has 40 degress C, then and only then it happens? those bugs are interesting ;) [12:31] <\sh> anyways..tomorrow I'll try to file bugs for ubuntu-server kernel and areca controllers and ubiquity with >= 4 partitions is resizing not correctly [12:31] <\sh> s/tomorrow/today/ [12:32] <\sh> going to sleep a bit...cu later === yuriy_ [n=yuriy@207-172-219-193.c3-0.frm-ubr3.sbo-frm.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:08] Riddell: just so you know, i can also confirm #40385...this bug happens to me with adept and with synaptic [01:09] hmm, I wonder why === chavo [n=chavo@68-235-253-154.atlsfl.adelphia.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:09] nixternal: so it just doesn't work the first time you try? [01:10] only when i goto launch the first time..once it crashes and completes the unsuccessful load...i can then get into adept or synaptic [01:10] yes Riddell. the 2nd time works...just not the first [01:10] crashes? or just doesn't load [01:10] but at the same time...i also don't think it occurs everytime either...im gonna check right now..i just rebooted my other system [01:10] just doesn't load [01:10] never got a crash notice [01:10] sorry [01:11] see..now this time it loaded just fine...adept that is [01:11] i will try another system...i may have already ran synaptic on that other system earlier [01:11] worrying [01:12] truthfully..i just found it annoying...i really never paid attention to it...i just knew that it would work the 2nd time [01:12] i don't know of it had an initial conflict with another program running or not [01:12] yeah i can confirm that too [01:14] were their updates via adept this morning? or was that yesterday? that was the last time it happened to me as a matter of fact [01:15] i just booted up my laptop...and was able to start adept right up the first time..so this doesn't occur everytime either [01:15] its intermitent === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === mornfall_ [n=mornfall@rb4b151.chello.upc.cz] has joined #kubuntu-devel === yuriy__ [n=yuriy@207-172-219-193.c3-0.frm-ubr3.sbo-frm.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === yuriy___ [n=yuriy@207-172-219-193.c3-0.frm-ubr3.sbo-frm.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === imbrandon [n=brandon@ubuntu/member/imbrandon] has joined #kubuntu-devel === imbrandon__ [n=brandon@CPE-72-135-8-5.kc.res.rr.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === imbrandon__ [n=brandon@CPE-72-135-8-5.kc.res.rr.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === chavo [n=chavo@68-235-253-154.atlsfl.adelphia.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:48] marseillai: Avahi isn't supposed to publish things, the applications are [02:48] marseillai: you want to add avahi support to your applications you want to publish === bddebian [n=bdefrees@71.224.172.103] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:03] Howdy === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying|away [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #kubuntu-devel === poningru [n=poningru@ip24-250-225-41.ga.at.cox.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === linuxmonkey [n=linuxmon@unaffiliated/LinuxMonkey] has joined #kubuntu-devel === DaSkreech [n=Me@208.138.25.175] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:13] Hi all === Ze_M [n=kvirc@unaffiliated/zem/x-000001] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:41] isnt kde-3.5.3 available for kubuntu? [04:42] Yup [04:42] Check Kubuntu.org [04:42] i have but i dont find it [04:43] i use to build mandriva packages [04:43] and im bot familiar with debian process [04:43] It's on the front page [04:43] i say this [04:43] because [04:43] i woud like to see the latest about kubuntu and kde-3.5.3 [04:43] is anyone here using kde-3.5.3? === DaSkreech raises hand [04:45] :) [04:45] what hal version kubuntu uses [04:46] DaSkreech: ? === kameron [n=kameron@S0106000129f5b884.cc.shawcable.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:48] ok so im talking alone... [04:48] HAL 9000 :-) [04:48] what?!? [04:48] the last hal version is 0.5.7 === DaSkreech ducks [04:49] i dont see how can i download kde-3.5.3 packages [04:50] I think that you can check http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/1731 [04:50] im asking about kde-3.5.3 kubuntu [04:50] not about kde-3.5.3 sources [04:51] Ah [04:51] DaSkreech: how many time you use linux? [04:51] Couple of times [04:52] http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-353.php [04:52] You know you can ask all of this in #kubuntu as well right? [04:52] isnt this the developing channel? [04:53] yes i see you have used it a couple of times :) [04:53] Yeah but installing isn't really developing :-) [04:56] and hat im asking is about developing [04:56] i need to see last changes for hal and kde [04:56] because when putting a usb device isnt mounted [04:56] Ah [04:57] changelogs.kubuntu.org maybe? [04:57] in where is possible to see last patches? [04:57] changelogs.kubuntu.org doesnt exist [05:03] DaSkreech: can you tell me in where are kubuntu mailing list, url? [05:03] http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool.x/ [05:04] dang I just happened to paste that :) [05:04] You can join launchpad [05:04] thats pretty much the easy way === linuxmonkey [n=linuxmon@unaffiliated/LinuxMonkey] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:08] i dont find kdelibs last spec [05:08] Might not be there since Kubuntu doesn't ship with Kde 3.5.3 [05:09] in where can it be? [05:09] You may want to check Riddell's site. I'm pretty sure he packaged it for Kubuntu and would be the best jump off point [05:11] url? [05:11] Launchpad is the developers site so that would be the nexxus for things that have been fixed and things that need to be fixed [05:11] ? [05:11] im totally lost :( [05:11] For Riddell's site? [05:12] need to se kdelibs spec [05:12] in where? [05:13] the spec? [05:13] are you referring to rpm build "spec"s? [05:13] no [05:13] i mean [05:14] how is possible to see what done lately in kdelibs [05:14] i see that kubuntu uses debian packagement [05:14] is in what changes he has made? [05:14] wich is different from rpm [05:14] s/is/as/ [05:14] Right the changelog [05:14] just grab the diff.gz [05:14] its like this [05:15] From? [05:15] Kubuntu.org? [05:15] due to latest hal, usb devices arent anymore anymore mounted though fstab [05:16] so i need to see what was done lately in kdelibs [05:16] and also in hal [05:16] can you people help me on this? [05:16] Ze_M: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/h/hal/ [05:16] & http://kubuntu.org/packages/ [05:17] but what you are showing is just eh packages [05:17] those arent helpfull since are already packed [05:17] no, look at the diff.gz [05:18] in other distros for example in mandriva exists a cvs site in where are showed what has been done lately, the latest changes in spec, the latest patches [05:18] so that is what i need to see [05:18] those are /source/ changes against the upstream orig.tar.gz [05:18] no, we don't have anything like what Gentoo has [05:18] so wht is used in kubuntu to show last changes? [05:19] the diff.gz contains cumulative changes [05:19] Ze_M: You mean changes against the "official" packages? [05:19] change the last changes [05:19] if you want just the last ones, grab the current and the previous (current-1) diff.gzs, zcat |interdiff [05:19] just the last changes [05:20] isnt there a site in wich you can see it? [05:20] crimsun: http://cvs.mandriva.com/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/SPECS/kdelibs/ [05:20] enter there and see what i mean [05:21] no, there's nothing like that. [05:21] thee you have latest patches done an also latest changes in spec file [05:21] packages.ubuntu.com/foo will give you a link to the latest (cumulative) source changes and changelog, but that's it. [05:21] there's no Web-facing view of the source changes [05:21] crimsun: i see [05:22] crimsun: do you use kde-3.5.3? [05:22] no [05:22] oh [05:23] crimsun: can you give the url of the kdelibs last package ? [05:24] Ze_M: the one on the iso or the latest? [05:25] latest [05:25] http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-latest/pool-dapper/kdelibs/kdelibs_3.5.3-0ubuntu0.1.diff.gz [05:27] xiiiiiii [05:28] this ill never find what i need [05:28] Do be do be doo [05:28] and suposing this was fixed in kubuntu... [05:29] ths diff dont even haves dates === DaSkreech waves good bye to hunger === DaSkreech has a Snickers === nixternal [n=nixterna@71.194.189.213] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:34] Welcome back [05:35] crimsun: Is there a URL for the Kubuntu dev team? [05:35] why thank you sir [05:35] Sorry mailing list [05:35] No problem always glad to see you turn up [05:37] DaSkreech: not sure what you mean [05:38] Ze_M: it's not checked into a scm afaik. You can ask Riddell, though, if he has plans to check his changes into a Web-facing scm. [05:39] crimsun: Is there a Kubuntu Developers mailing list? [05:39] crimsun: im not a kubuntu user, at least so far, and i do develping for other distros [05:39] DaSkreech: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-devel [05:39] Ze_M: There you go [05:39] just wanted to see what was the fix to put usb devices mounted [05:40] thanks [05:40] Ze_M: why not just ask him here (leave a query)? [05:40] whats his nick? [05:40] (I just listed it :) [05:41] Riddell [05:41] (yeah, I generally try to avoid randomly spamming nicks, because it tends to clog awaylogs) [05:43] :-) Ok :) [05:44] as an aside who does the Security center for Kubuntu? [05:44] I have a few bugs I wouldn't mind seeing addressed in the Edgy review [05:45] thanks [05:46] *nods* [05:47] Would it be feasible to take a look at the Synaptic code for fetching changelogs and do the same for adept? [05:50] DaSkreech: sure, I think Adept questions are fielded by mornfall_ [05:50] I know [05:50] the System question was more aimed at you [05:52] DaSkreech: I don't do much with Kubuntu, sorry [05:53] :-) === lnxKDE [n=lnxkde@206.248.92.115] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:25] someone willing to help a desparate mate that wants to patch his kernel and does not remeber how was [06:25] patch: **** File /media/media-hd/kernel-source/linux-2.6.16.20 is not a regular file -- can't patch [06:25] I did this [06:25] patch -p1 /media/media-hd/kernel-source/linux-2.6.16.20 /media/media-hd/kernel-source/patch-2.6.17-rc6 [06:27] usually the patch file is bz2 [06:27] if that is the case then [06:28] from kernel directory hopefully in /usr/src/linux [06:28] type> sudo bzcat /home/your_directory/patch_location/patch-2.6.17-rc6.bz2 | patch -p1 === Ze_M [n=kvirc@unaffiliated/zem/x-000001] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:29] ok so I have to be on the kenerl directory [06:29] ok nice [06:29] yes [06:29] thankx man [06:29] np [06:36] i have lost all my data in usb disk [06:36] is possible to recover? [06:39] lnxKDE: I'm pretty sure you have to patch 17-rc6 against 16, not 16.20 [06:39] (and you don't need sudo there) [06:49] i didn't catch the 17-rc6 patch..you are right...that would be a patch issue...and if you are patching /usr/src/linux directory you have to sudo...at least for me i have to === freeflying|away [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:51] nixternal: add your user to the src group [06:52] ya i know...but i get so use to sudo..i would still do it [06:53] crimsun why? [06:54] lnxKDE: why what? [06:54] crimsun why I have to patch to 2.6.16 no 2.6.16.20 [06:54] lnxKDE: because 17-rc6 is rolled against 16, not 16.20 [06:54] i didn't catch that either [06:54] ok [06:55] shit [06:55] it's not a big deal, just eyeball the rejects [06:55] you don't patch 2.6.16.x kernels...you patch 2.6.16 kernels....and you wouldn't do it with a 16...well crimsun hit that one already [06:55] they should be nearly identical within reasonable fuzz [06:56] well then I will just install the 2.6.16 than [06:56] then.. [06:56] hehe [06:57] no need [06:57] no need for what? [06:57] just grab the 2.6.16.20 patch, reverse it against 2.6.16.20, then patch up to 2.6.17-rc6 [06:58] ohh ok [07:21] finished the patching :D [07:26] someone here is using EMT64? [07:37] What is Exa? [07:38] exa? [07:38] ,,,, [07:39] Yes [07:39] IT was mentioned in the KDE SOC [07:40] Looks like a X extension [07:44] dont know.. [07:44] google time I guess === freeflying|away [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel === chavo [n=chavo@68-235-253-154.atlsfl.adelphia.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:14] morning [08:14] early one === mornfall_ is now known as mornfall [08:14] DaSkreech: no, synaptic code for it blows :p [08:14] look at web.mornfall.net/adept.html under feature plan [08:14] hey mornfall [08:14] hi Hobbsee === pygi [n=pygi@83-131-243-143.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #kubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #kubuntu-devel === chavo [n=chavo@68-235-253-154.atlsfl.adelphia.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === ubijtsa2 [n=ubijtsa@nat-pool-lhr.redhat.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:43] g'nite all [09:44] night nixternal`zzz === apachelogger [n=me@amarok/rokymotion/apachelogger] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:40] freeflying|away: ping? [10:53] seaLne: pong [10:54] freeflying|away: you can publish Daniel's interview finally :) [10:54] seaLne: done it this morning(here) [10:54] cool, url? [10:55] seaLne: http://www.foss.org.cn/node/128 [10:56] seaLne: preparing JaneW's now [11:00] http://behindubuntu.org/interviews/DanielSilverstone/ for anyone interested [11:16] anyone know how to convert a file from a different charecter set to utf-8? === _czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-052-233.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:51] seaLne: recode [11:52] seaLne: you may need to redo JaneW's, she's left canonical [11:53] Riddell: grr [11:53] thanks [11:55] =) === Huahua [n=hua_@221.172.51.186] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:01] Riddell: any idea how you use recode? "recode UTF-8 index.html.de" looks like what it says to do but dosen't work [12:03] recode ISO-8859-15..UTF-8 index.html.de I think [12:03] ah, well that dosen't give an error :) [12:03] you could also use kate, just specify the encoding when opening and when saving [12:04] Riddell: i did but it hadn't worked [12:04] http://behindubuntu.org/interviews/DanielSilverstone/index.html.de still dosen't look right to me [12:04] infact it looks way worse [12:05] hmm [12:06] reverted [12:06] I have no idea what encoding that is [12:11] it looks ok in the attatchment in kmail === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:19] do the headers say anything about the encoding? [12:21] well apache is forcing utf-8 as otherwise the utf-8 files wern't working [12:21] danish looks fine http://behindubuntu.org/interviews/DanielSilverstone/index.html.dk [12:23] seaLne: can you bounce the e-mail to me? [12:25] forwaded as attatchment which should hopefully not change anything [12:25] janew is also ill today so may not answer her e-mail [12:40] seaLne: I'm stuck, I've no idea what encoding that thing is in [12:42] i'll mail him and see if he can save it as utf-8 === Ze_M [n=kvirc@unaffiliated/zem/x-000001] has joined #kubuntu-devel === imbrandon [n=brandon@ubuntu/member/imbrandon] has joined #kubuntu-devel === goldenear [n=user@vol75-4-82-225-33-186.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jjesse [n=jjesse@64.186.55.234] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:21] now here's a fun idea for an extention to klipper http://www.gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=1269 [02:21] pastebin integration [02:23] as long as it's paste.kubuntu.org :P [02:24] that is nice [02:35] apachelogger: or kubuntu.pastebin.com ;) [02:35] imbrandon: nah ... just looks like shit imo [02:35] true ;) === Ze_M [n=kvirc@unaffiliated/zem/x-000001] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:59] hi all [03:11] is possible for some one tell me where can i find latest changes for pmount package? [03:12] Ze_M: grab the source and look in the changelog, or aptitude changelog pmount, i believe [03:12] Hobbsee: i dont use kubuntu [03:12] im asking for the url [03:12] hmmm...packages.ubuntu.com? [03:12] not sure if it has the changelogs there [03:20] heya Hobbsee ;) [03:21] hey imbrandon [03:21] Riddell: going to give me a wakeup call for the meeting, if i'm not awake yet? [03:21] Hobbsee: sure [03:21] Riddell: cool, thanks :) [03:22] going to have a semi-decent connectoin this time? [03:22] we might have to start slightly later if the tech board goes on for a while [03:22] yea i seen there was no time padding [03:22] with skype you take what you're given [03:23] skype rocks ;) [03:23] well in the us to us calls, never tried international calls [03:23] Riddell: that's true :) === Hobbsee is convinced that Riddell does actually exist, and is not a robot, now. [03:24] hehe i think he's a robot with realy good AI and a voice synth [03:24] ;) [03:24] that's possible... [03:25] hte pic on his blog/else where are just cgi generated , like the movies ;) [03:25] j/k === Hobbsee sets the digest mode *on* for the irc list. [03:27] darn it! [03:27] Seveas!!! [03:27] Hobbsee, ? [03:27] Seveas: why cant we have a digest mode for the irc list? [03:28] because you already have a pony [03:28] Seveas: can i have another one? pwease? :P [03:28] omg!! PONIES!!! [03:29] apachelogger, you forgot the z [03:29] haha [03:29] oooooh no!!! [03:29] we are lost [03:29] :| [03:29] and the ones's === Hobbsee hasnt figured out how to set a filter for the irc list emails yet :( [03:30] i need toresetup my spam filters lol, i'm getting 3k messages a day now === apacheLAGger [n=me@amarok/rokymotion/apachelogger] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:30] Hobbsee, filter on list headers [03:31] Seveas: i tried, i'll have to try again === apacheLAGger is now known as apachelogger [03:33] Riddell: btw i got my new amd64 up and running sweetly ( cept for a little issue with the nvidia network drivers but thats all fixed ) so i can start fixing / debuging amd64 stuff now too if you need / want [03:34] hey Czessi - will you happen to be at the meeting in a few hours? [03:34] imbrandon: go for it http://people.ubuntu.com/~doko/ooo-amd64/ [03:34] cool *will have a look* [03:34] Riddell: haha [03:35] give him a big download [03:35] :P [03:35] even though i know nothing about ooo ;) [03:35] who packages kdebase? [03:35] Ze_M: Riddell, i expect [03:36] but no one knows how to explain how kdebase work with pmount [03:36] ok i'm off to take a nap, see you all at the meeting tonight [03:36] since hal doesnt mount usb devices through fstab anymore === Hobbsee updates one of the pages of documentation. [03:37] Hi Hobbsee, it will try [03:39] Riddell: this is a 22 hour meeting, i suppose? [03:39] er, a 2 hour one? [03:39] as long as we need [03:39] imbrandon: enjoy [03:39] mmm okay - i want to be on time to uni tomorrow! === Hobbsee has to make it on time at least *one* day a week - otherwise she gets muttered and whinged at. === Hobbsee notes that there are no new membership applications. cool. === OdyX [n=Didier@80.33.64.8] has joined #kubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel === pygi [n=pygi@83-131-240-114.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:09] hey OdyX [04:10] yop Hobbsee [04:16] yop OdyX && Hobbsee [04:16] hey raphink [04:16] yop raphink [04:16] hi [04:16] ; [04:16] :) [04:16] How are you at sunny Cannes raphink ? [04:16] good thanks [04:17] I'm in an cyber cafe right now [04:17] you're in Cannes? [04:17] hopefully I'll get an internet connexion at home soon enough :s [04:17] Riddell: yep [04:17] well I'm in Golfe Juan to be precise :) [04:17] Riddell: why? === Hobbsee would ask "which country is this" but doesnt want to look like an idiot. [04:18] well, Cannes, it's a place where they show films, not a place where people live [04:18] Riddell has a date with a very famous actress and is looking for a plan for next year's festival... [04:18] Riddell: haha [04:18] ;-) [04:18] haha [04:18] ;) [04:18] Hobbsee: it's in southern France... [04:18] Riddell: the festival ended last year [04:18] OdyX: ahhhhh.... :) thanks [04:18] sorrry [04:18] last _week_ [04:18] hehe [04:19] raphink: dont woryr - i still write that it's 2005 at times... [04:19] Riddell: Cannes is a place where people actually live, even when there's no festival ;) [04:19] raphink: what, and drink beer? [04:19] Hobbsee: they drink pastis and martini here rather ;) [04:19] but some drink beer, too [04:19] bleck. still all alcohol. [04:20] Riddell: there is a high tech place around here, called Sophia Antipolis [04:20] this is where I'm working [04:20] it's 15km from Cannes === _chavo [n=chavo@68-235-253-154.atlsfl.adelphia.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:21] Hobbsee: can is on the French Riviera to be more precise [04:21] raphink: ah :) [04:21] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannes [04:21] Hobbsee: it's difficult to live without alcohol in france [04:21] Riddell: isnt it anywhere? [04:21] Riddell: oh why? [04:21] :p [04:21] pretty :) [04:22] Hobbsee: it is :) [04:22] this place is amazing [04:22] here the Alps (moutains if you wonder) meet the sea [04:22] Hobbsee: nah, in Scotland you either drink 10 pints a day or you don't drink any, in France they drink sensible amounts all the time [04:22] the French Riviera is a piece of land just between the sea and the moutains [04:22] so what happens is that [04:22] it hardly ever snows here [04:22] i knew about the Alps :P my geography isnt *that* bad - although it is very shocking. [04:22] and it's very hot and sunny [04:23] Riddell: hehe, fair enough [04:23] but if you go 50km to the North [04:23] you have the moutains [04:23] Riddell: how much is a pint? [04:23] and snow most of the time [04:23] Hobbsee: you don't have pints in .au? === Hobbsee mutters about silly people using old fashioned, illogical measurements. [04:23] no, we're metric. [04:23] hehe [04:23] :p [04:23] how clever [04:23] pint is a beer measurement [04:23]