[12:13] <goldenear> Riddell: are you awake ?
[12:16] <kmon> bye
[12:17] <goldenear> Riddell: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=128403 <-- could you have a look at this, it may by a kubuntu specific bug... Also I'm sure I don't use scim.
[12:17] <Ubugtu> KDE bug 128403 in general "Kmail/Kontact won't reload after crashing (crash again)" [Crash,Resolved: invalid]  
[12:19] <\sh> he should use strace and gdb
[12:19] <Riddell> can anyone confirm bug 40385?
[12:19] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 40385 in kdebase "kdesu programs fail to start first time" [Normal,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/40385
[12:20] <\sh> which app should I start with kdesu?
[12:20] <Riddell> goldenear: is there a backtrace?
[12:20] <goldenear> a backtrace ?
[12:20] <\sh> goldenear: gdb ;)
[12:20] <\sh> Riddell: no.there is not
[12:20] <goldenear> ah... no :(
[12:21] <Riddell> goldenear: do you get drkonqi crash dialogue when the programme crashes?
[12:21] <goldenear> no I didn't
[12:22] <goldenear> A least, I don't think so...
[12:22] <\sh> Riddell: #40385 starting adept, can't reproduce
[12:22] <Riddell> \sh: thanks
[12:22] <Riddell> tonio confirmed it though, guess I need to ask him
[12:23] <\sh> Riddell: any other app which is using kdesu during startup via menu?
[12:23] <goldenear> Riddell: #40385 I can also confirm this... sometimes kdesu fails to start
[12:23] <Riddell> \sh: language selector
[12:24] <Riddell> goldenear: I can't recreate the crash
[12:24] <\sh> qt-language-selector?
[12:24] <Riddell> yes
[12:24] <\sh> Riddell: no...not reproducable
[12:24] <\sh> Riddell: at least not for me
[12:25] <\sh> adept takes too long
[12:25] <\sh> but is starting
[12:25] <Riddell> that's fixed in 2.1 I believe
[12:26] <goldenear> Riddell: #40385 I had the problem often with adept-notifier
[12:27] <\sh> even with adept-notifier i can't reproduce
[12:28] <mornfall> Ubugtu: bug 40385
[12:28] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 40385 in kdebase "kdesu programs fail to start first time" [Normal,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/40385
[12:28] <mornfall> \sh: i can't reproduce either but heard people see that sometimes
[12:30] <\sh> mornfall: hmm...when the sun hides behind the moon, and the indian ocean has 40 degress C, then and only then it happens? those bugs are interesting ;)
[12:31] <\sh> anyways..tomorrow I'll try to file bugs for ubuntu-server kernel and areca controllers and ubiquity with >= 4 partitions is resizing not correctly
[12:31] <\sh> s/tomorrow/today/
[12:32] <\sh> going to sleep a bit...cu later 
[01:08] <nixternal> Riddell: just so you know, i can also confirm #40385...this bug happens to me with adept and with synaptic
[01:09] <Riddell> hmm, I wonder why
[01:09] <Riddell> nixternal: so it just doesn't work the first time you try?
[01:10] <nixternal> only when i goto launch the first time..once it crashes and completes the unsuccessful load...i can then get into adept or synaptic
[01:10] <nixternal> yes Riddell. the 2nd time works...just not the first
[01:10] <Riddell> crashes?  or just doesn't load
[01:10] <nixternal> but at the same time...i also don't think it occurs everytime either...im gonna check right now..i just rebooted my other system
[01:10] <nixternal> just doesn't load
[01:10] <nixternal> never got a crash notice
[01:10] <nixternal> sorry
[01:11] <nixternal> see..now this time it loaded just fine...adept that is
[01:11] <nixternal> i will try another system...i may have already ran synaptic on that other system earlier
[01:11] <Riddell> worrying
[01:12] <nixternal> truthfully..i just found it annoying...i really never paid attention to it...i just knew that it would work the 2nd time
[01:12] <nixternal> i don't know of it had an initial conflict with another program running or not
[01:12] <linuxmonkey> yeah i can confirm that too
[01:14] <nixternal> were their updates via adept this morning? or was that yesterday? that was the last time it happened to me as a matter of fact
[01:15] <nixternal> i just booted up my laptop...and was able to start adept right up the first time..so this doesn't occur everytime either
[01:15] <linuxmonkey> its intermitent
[02:48] <Lathiat> marseillai: Avahi isn't supposed to publish things, the applications are
[02:48] <Lathiat> marseillai: you want to add avahi support to your applications you want to publish
[03:03] <bddebian> Howdy
[04:13] <DaSkreech> Hi all
[04:41] <Ze_M> isnt kde-3.5.3 available for kubuntu?
[04:42] <DaSkreech> Yup
[04:42] <DaSkreech> Check Kubuntu.org
[04:42] <Ze_M> i have but i dont find it
[04:43] <Ze_M> i use to build mandriva packages
[04:43] <Ze_M> and im bot familiar with debian process
[04:43] <DaSkreech> It's on the front page
[04:43] <Ze_M> i say this
[04:43] <Ze_M> because
[04:43] <Ze_M> i woud like to see the latest about kubuntu and kde-3.5.3
[04:43] <Ze_M> is anyone here using kde-3.5.3?
[04:45] <Ze_M> :)
[04:45] <Ze_M> what hal version kubuntu uses
[04:46] <Ze_M> DaSkreech: ?
[04:48] <Ze_M> ok so im talking alone...
[04:48] <DaSkreech> HAL 9000 :-)
[04:48] <Ze_M> what?!?
[04:48] <Ze_M> the last hal version is 0.5.7
[04:49] <Ze_M> i dont see how can i download kde-3.5.3 packages
[04:50] <DaSkreech> I think that you can check http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/1731
[04:50] <Ze_M> im asking about kde-3.5.3 kubuntu
[04:50] <Ze_M> not about kde-3.5.3 sources
[04:51] <DaSkreech> Ah
[04:51] <Ze_M> DaSkreech: how many time you use linux?
[04:51] <DaSkreech> Couple of times
[04:52] <DaSkreech> http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-353.php
[04:52] <DaSkreech> You know you can ask all of this in #kubuntu as well right?
[04:52] <Ze_M> isnt this the developing channel?
[04:53] <Ze_M> yes i see you have used it a couple of times :)
[04:53] <DaSkreech> Yeah but installing isn't really developing :-)
[04:56] <Ze_M> and hat im asking is about developing
[04:56] <Ze_M> i need to see last changes for hal and kde
[04:56] <Ze_M> because when putting a usb device isnt mounted
[04:56] <DaSkreech> Ah
[04:57] <DaSkreech> changelogs.kubuntu.org maybe?
[04:57] <Ze_M> in where is possible to see last patches?
[04:57] <Ze_M> changelogs.kubuntu.org doesnt exist
[05:03] <Ze_M> DaSkreech: can you tell me in where are kubuntu mailing list, url?
[05:03] <DaSkreech> http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool.x/
[05:04] <DaSkreech> dang I just happened to paste that :)
[05:04] <DaSkreech> You can join launchpad
[05:04] <DaSkreech> thats pretty much the easy way
[05:08] <Ze_M> i dont find kdelibs last spec
[05:08] <DaSkreech> Might not be there since Kubuntu doesn't ship with Kde 3.5.3
[05:09] <Ze_M> in where can it be?
[05:09] <DaSkreech> You may want to check Riddell's site. I'm pretty sure he packaged it for Kubuntu and would be the best jump off point
[05:11] <Ze_M> url?
[05:11] <DaSkreech> Launchpad is the developers site so that would be the nexxus for things that have been fixed and things that need to be fixed
[05:11] <Ze_M> ?
[05:11] <Ze_M> im totally lost :(
[05:11] <DaSkreech> For Riddell's site?
[05:12] <Ze_M> need to se kdelibs spec
[05:12] <Ze_M> in where?
[05:13] <crimsun> the spec?
[05:13] <crimsun> are you referring to rpm build "spec"s?
[05:13] <Ze_M> no
[05:13] <Ze_M> i mean
[05:14] <Ze_M> how is possible to see what done lately in kdelibs
[05:14] <Ze_M> i see that kubuntu uses debian packagement
[05:14] <crimsun> is in what changes he has made?
[05:14] <Ze_M> wich is different from rpm
[05:14] <crimsun> s/is/as/
[05:14] <DaSkreech> Right the changelog
[05:14] <crimsun> just grab the diff.gz
[05:14] <Ze_M> its like this
[05:15] <DaSkreech> From?
[05:15] <DaSkreech> Kubuntu.org?
[05:15] <Ze_M> due to latest hal, usb devices arent anymore anymore mounted though fstab 
[05:16] <Ze_M> so i need to see what was done lately in kdelibs
[05:16] <Ze_M> and also in hal
[05:16] <Ze_M> can you people help me on this?
[05:16] <crimsun> Ze_M: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/h/hal/
[05:16] <crimsun> & http://kubuntu.org/packages/
[05:17] <Ze_M> but what you are showing is just eh packages
[05:17] <Ze_M> those arent helpfull since are already packed
[05:17] <crimsun> no, look at the diff.gz
[05:18] <Ze_M> in other distros for example in mandriva exists a cvs site in where are showed what has been done lately, the latest changes in spec, the latest patches
[05:18] <Ze_M> so that is what i need to see
[05:18] <crimsun> those are /source/ changes against the upstream orig.tar.gz
[05:18] <crimsun> no, we don't have anything like what Gentoo has
[05:18] <Ze_M> so wht is used in kubuntu to show last changes?
[05:19] <crimsun> the diff.gz contains cumulative changes
[05:19] <DaSkreech> Ze_M: You mean changes against the "official" packages?
[05:19] <Ze_M> change the last changes
[05:19] <crimsun> if you want just the last ones, grab the current and the previous (current-1) diff.gzs, zcat |interdiff
[05:19] <Ze_M> just the last changes
[05:20] <Ze_M> isnt there a site in wich you can see it?
[05:20] <Ze_M> crimsun: http://cvs.mandriva.com/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/SPECS/kdelibs/
[05:20] <Ze_M> enter there and see what i mean
[05:21] <crimsun> no, there's nothing like that.
[05:21] <Ze_M> thee you have latest patches done an also latest changes in spec file
[05:21] <crimsun> packages.ubuntu.com/foo will give you a link to the latest (cumulative) source changes and changelog, but that's it.
[05:21] <crimsun> there's no Web-facing view of the source changes
[05:21] <Ze_M> crimsun: i see
[05:22] <Ze_M> crimsun: do you use kde-3.5.3?
[05:22] <crimsun> no
[05:22] <Ze_M> oh
[05:23] <Ze_M> crimsun: can you give the url of the kdelibs last package ?
[05:24] <crimsun> Ze_M: the one on the iso or the latest?
[05:25] <Ze_M> latest
[05:25] <crimsun> http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-latest/pool-dapper/kdelibs/kdelibs_3.5.3-0ubuntu0.1.diff.gz
[05:27] <Ze_M> xiiiiiii
[05:28] <Ze_M> this ill never find what i need
[05:28] <bddebian> Do be do be doo
[05:28] <Ze_M> and suposing this was fixed in kubuntu...
[05:29] <Ze_M> ths diff dont even haves dates
[05:34] <DaSkreech> Welcome back
[05:35] <DaSkreech> crimsun: Is there a URL for the Kubuntu dev team?
[05:35] <nixternal> why thank you sir
[05:35] <DaSkreech> Sorry mailing list
[05:35] <DaSkreech> No problem always glad to see you turn up
[05:37] <crimsun> DaSkreech: not sure what you mean
[05:38] <crimsun> Ze_M: it's not checked into a scm afaik. You can ask Riddell, though, if he has plans to check his changes into a Web-facing scm.
[05:39] <DaSkreech> crimsun: Is there a Kubuntu Developers mailing list?
[05:39] <Ze_M> crimsun: im not a kubuntu user, at least so far, and i do develping for other distros
[05:39] <crimsun> DaSkreech: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-devel
[05:39] <DaSkreech> Ze_M: There you go
[05:39] <Ze_M> just wanted to see what was the fix to put usb devices mounted 
[05:40] <Ze_M> thanks
[05:40] <crimsun> Ze_M: why not just ask him here (leave a query)?
[05:40] <Ze_M> whats his nick?
[05:40] <crimsun> (I just listed it :)
[05:41] <DaSkreech> Riddell
[05:41] <crimsun> (yeah, I generally try to avoid randomly spamming nicks, because it tends to clog awaylogs)
[05:43] <DaSkreech> :-) Ok :)
[05:44] <DaSkreech> as an aside who does the Security center for Kubuntu?
[05:44] <DaSkreech> I have a few bugs I wouldn't mind seeing addressed in the Edgy review
[05:45] <Ze_M> thanks
[05:46] <DaSkreech> *nods*
[05:47] <DaSkreech> Would it be feasible to take a look at the Synaptic code for fetching changelogs and do the same for adept?
[05:50] <crimsun> DaSkreech: sure, I think Adept questions are fielded by mornfall_ 
[05:50] <DaSkreech> I know
[05:50] <DaSkreech> the System question was more aimed at you
[05:52] <crimsun> DaSkreech: I don't do much with Kubuntu, sorry
[05:53] <DaSkreech> :-)
[06:25] <lnxKDE> someone willing to help a desparate mate that wants to patch his kernel and does not remeber how was
[06:25] <lnxKDE> patch: **** File /media/media-hd/kernel-source/linux-2.6.16.20 is not a regular file -- can't patch
[06:25] <lnxKDE> I did this
[06:25] <lnxKDE>  patch -p1 /media/media-hd/kernel-source/linux-2.6.16.20 /media/media-hd/kernel-source/patch-2.6.17-rc6
[06:27] <nixternal> usually the patch file is bz2
[06:27] <nixternal> if that is the case then
[06:28] <nixternal> from kernel directory hopefully in /usr/src/linux
[06:28] <nixternal> type>  sudo bzcat /home/your_directory/patch_location/patch-2.6.17-rc6.bz2 | patch -p1
[06:29] <lnxKDE> ok so I have to be on the kenerl directory
[06:29] <lnxKDE> ok nice
[06:29] <nixternal> yes
[06:29] <lnxKDE> thankx man
[06:29] <nixternal> np
[06:36] <Ze_M> i have lost all my data in usb disk
[06:36] <Ze_M> is possible to recover?
[06:39] <crimsun> lnxKDE: I'm pretty sure you have to patch 17-rc6 against 16, not 16.20
[06:39] <crimsun> (and you don't need sudo there)
[06:49] <nixternal> i didn't catch the 17-rc6 patch..you are right...that would be a patch issue...and if you are patching /usr/src/linux directory you have to sudo...at least for me i have to
[06:51] <crimsun> nixternal: add your user to the src group
[06:52] <nixternal> ya i know...but i get so use to sudo..i would still do it
[06:53] <lnxKDE> crimsun why?
[06:54] <crimsun> lnxKDE: why what?
[06:54] <lnxKDE> crimsun why I have to patch to 2.6.16 no 2.6.16.20
[06:54] <crimsun> lnxKDE: because 17-rc6 is rolled against 16, not 16.20
[06:54] <nixternal> i didn't catch that either
[06:54] <lnxKDE> ok
[06:55] <lnxKDE> shit
[06:55] <crimsun> it's not a big deal, just eyeball the rejects
[06:55] <nixternal> you don't patch 2.6.16.x  kernels...you patch 2.6.16 kernels....and you wouldn't do it with a 16...well crimsun hit that one already
[06:55] <crimsun> they should be nearly identical within reasonable fuzz
[06:56] <lnxKDE> well then I will just install the 2.6.16 than
[06:56] <lnxKDE> then..
[06:56] <nixternal> hehe
[06:57] <crimsun> no need
[06:57] <lnxKDE> no need for what?
[06:57] <crimsun> just grab the 2.6.16.20 patch, reverse it against 2.6.16.20, then patch up to 2.6.17-rc6
[06:58] <lnxKDE> ohh ok
[07:21] <lnxKDE> finished the patching :D
[07:26] <lnxKDE> someone here is using EMT64?
[07:37] <DaSkreech> What is Exa?
[07:38] <lnxKDE> exa?
[07:38] <lnxKDE> ,,,,
[07:39] <DaSkreech> Yes
[07:39] <DaSkreech> IT was mentioned in the KDE SOC
[07:40] <DaSkreech> Looks like a X extension
[07:44] <lnxKDE> dont know..
[07:44] <lnxKDE> google time I guess
[08:14] <mornfall_> morning
[08:14] <mornfall_> early one
[08:14] <mornfall> DaSkreech: no, synaptic code for it blows :p
[08:14] <mornfall> look at web.mornfall.net/adept.html under feature plan
[08:14] <Hobbsee> hey mornfall 
[08:14] <mornfall> hi Hobbsee 
[09:43] <nixternal`zzz> g'nite all
[09:44] <Hobbsee> night nixternal`zzz 
[10:40] <seaLne> freeflying|away: ping?
[10:53] <freeflying|away> seaLne: pong
[10:54] <seaLne> freeflying|away: you can publish Daniel's interview finally :)
[10:54] <freeflying|away> seaLne: done it this morning(here)
[10:54] <seaLne> cool, url?
[10:55] <freeflying|away> seaLne: http://www.foss.org.cn/node/128
[10:56] <freeflying|away> seaLne: preparing JaneW's now
[11:00] <seaLne> http://behindubuntu.org/interviews/DanielSilverstone/ for anyone interested
[11:16] <seaLne> anyone know how to convert a file from a different charecter set to utf-8?
[11:51] <Riddell> seaLne: recode
[11:52] <Riddell> seaLne: you may need to redo JaneW's, she's left canonical
[11:53] <seaLne> Riddell: grr
[11:53] <seaLne> thanks
[11:55] <jsgotangco> =)
[12:01] <seaLne> Riddell: any idea how you use recode? "recode UTF-8 index.html.de" looks like what it says to do but dosen't work
[12:03] <Riddell> recode ISO-8859-15..UTF-8 index.html.de  I think
[12:03] <seaLne> ah, well that dosen't give an error :)
[12:03] <Riddell> you could also use kate, just specify the encoding when opening and when saving
[12:04] <seaLne> Riddell: i did but it hadn't worked
[12:04] <seaLne> http://behindubuntu.org/interviews/DanielSilverstone/index.html.de still dosen't look right to me
[12:04] <seaLne> infact it looks way worse
[12:05] <seaLne> hmm
[12:06] <seaLne> reverted
[12:06] <Riddell> I have no idea what encoding that is
[12:11] <seaLne> it looks ok in the attatchment in kmail
[12:19] <Riddell> do the headers say anything about the encoding?
[12:21] <seaLne> well apache is forcing utf-8 as otherwise the utf-8 files wern't working
[12:21] <seaLne> danish looks fine http://behindubuntu.org/interviews/DanielSilverstone/index.html.dk
[12:23] <Riddell> seaLne: can you bounce the e-mail to me?
[12:25] <seaLne> forwaded as attatchment which should hopefully not change anything
[12:25] <Riddell> janew is also ill today so may not answer her e-mail
[12:40] <Riddell> seaLne: I'm stuck, I've no idea what encoding that thing is in
[12:42] <seaLne> i'll mail him and see if he can save it as utf-8
[02:21] <Riddell> now here's a fun idea for an extention to klipper http://www.gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=1269
[02:21] <Riddell> pastebin integration
[02:23] <apachelogger> as long as it's paste.kubuntu.org :P
[02:24] <jsgotangco> that is nice
[02:35] <imbrandon> apachelogger: or kubuntu.pastebin.com ;)
[02:35] <apachelogger> imbrandon: nah ... just looks like shit imo
[02:35] <imbrandon> true ;)
[02:59] <Hobbsee> hi all
[03:11] <Ze_M> is possible for some one tell me where can i find latest changes for pmount package?
[03:12] <Hobbsee> Ze_M: grab the source and look in the changelog, or aptitude changelog pmount, i believe
[03:12] <Ze_M> Hobbsee: i dont use kubuntu
[03:12] <Ze_M> im asking for the url
[03:12] <Hobbsee> hmmm...packages.ubuntu.com?
[03:12] <Hobbsee> not sure if it has the changelogs there
[03:20] <imbrandon> heya Hobbsee ;)
[03:21] <Hobbsee> hey imbrandon 
[03:21] <Hobbsee> Riddell: going to give me a wakeup call for the meeting, if i'm not awake yet?
[03:21] <Riddell> Hobbsee: sure
[03:21] <Hobbsee> Riddell: cool, thanks :)
[03:22] <Hobbsee> going to have a semi-decent connectoin this time?
[03:22] <Riddell> we might have to start slightly later if the tech board goes on for a while
[03:22] <imbrandon> yea i seen there was no time padding
[03:22] <Riddell> with skype you take what you're given
[03:23] <imbrandon> skype rocks ;)
[03:23] <imbrandon> well in the us  to us calls, never tried international calls
[03:23] <Hobbsee> Riddell: that's true :)
[03:24] <imbrandon> hehe i think he's a robot with realy good AI and a voice synth
[03:24] <imbrandon> ;)
[03:24] <Hobbsee> that's possible...
[03:25] <imbrandon> hte pic on his blog/else where are just cgi generated , like the movies ;)
[03:25] <imbrandon> j/k
[03:27] <Hobbsee> darn it!
[03:27] <Hobbsee> Seveas!!!
[03:27] <Seveas> Hobbsee, ?
[03:27] <Hobbsee> Seveas: why cant we have a digest mode for the irc list?
[03:28] <Seveas> because you already have a pony 
[03:28] <Hobbsee> Seveas: can i have another one?  pwease?  :P
[03:28] <apachelogger> omg!! PONIES!!!
[03:29] <Seveas> apachelogger, you forgot the z
[03:29] <imbrandon> haha
[03:29] <apachelogger> oooooh no!!!
[03:29] <apachelogger> we are lost
[03:29] <apachelogger> :|
[03:29] <imbrandon> and the ones's
[03:30] <imbrandon> i need toresetup my spam filters lol, i'm getting 3k messages a day now
[03:30] <Seveas> Hobbsee, filter on list headers
[03:31] <Hobbsee> Seveas: i tried, i'll have to try again
[03:33] <imbrandon> Riddell: btw i got my new amd64 up and running sweetly ( cept for a little issue with the nvidia network drivers but thats all fixed ) so i can start fixing / debuging amd64 stuff now too if you need / want 
[03:34] <Hobbsee> hey Czessi - will you happen to be at the meeting in a few hours?
[03:34] <Riddell> imbrandon: go for it http://people.ubuntu.com/~doko/ooo-amd64/
[03:34] <imbrandon> cool *will have a look*
[03:34] <Hobbsee> Riddell: haha
[03:35] <Hobbsee> give him a big download
[03:35] <Hobbsee> :P
[03:35] <imbrandon> even though i know nothing about ooo ;)
[03:35] <Ze_M> who packages kdebase?
[03:35] <Hobbsee> Ze_M: Riddell, i expect
[03:36] <Ze_M> but no one knows how to explain how kdebase work with pmount
[03:36] <imbrandon> ok i'm off to take a nap, see you all at the meeting tonight
[03:36] <Ze_M> since hal doesnt mount usb devices through fstab anymore
[03:37] <Czessi> Hi Hobbsee, it will try 
[03:39] <Hobbsee> Riddell: this is a 22 hour meeting, i suppose?
[03:39] <Hobbsee> er, a 2 hour one?
[03:39] <Riddell> as long as we need
[03:39] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: enjoy
[03:39] <Hobbsee> mmm okay - i want to be on time to uni tomorrow!
[04:09] <Hobbsee> hey OdyX 
[04:10] <OdyX> yop Hobbsee
[04:16] <raphink> yop OdyX && Hobbsee
[04:16] <Hobbsee> hey raphink 
[04:16] <OdyX> yop raphink
[04:16] <raphink> hi
[04:16] <raphink> ;
[04:16] <raphink> :)
[04:16] <OdyX> How are you at sunny Cannes raphink ?
[04:16] <raphink> good thanks
[04:17] <raphink> I'm in an cyber cafe right now
[04:17] <Riddell> you're in Cannes?
[04:17] <raphink> hopefully I'll get an internet connexion at home soon enough :s
[04:17] <raphink> Riddell: yep
[04:17] <raphink> well I'm in Golfe Juan to be precise :)
[04:17] <raphink> Riddell: why?
[04:18] <Riddell> well, Cannes, it's a place where they show films, not a place where people live
[04:18] <OdyX> Riddell has a date with a very famous actress and is looking for a plan for next year's festival...
[04:18] <raphink> Riddell: haha
[04:18] <OdyX> ;-)
[04:18] <Hobbsee> haha
[04:18] <raphink> ;)
[04:18] <OdyX> Hobbsee: it's in southern France...
[04:18] <raphink> Riddell: the festival ended last year
[04:18] <Hobbsee> OdyX: ahhhhh.... :) thanks
[04:18] <raphink> sorrry
[04:18] <raphink> last _week_
[04:18] <raphink> hehe
[04:19] <Hobbsee> raphink: dont woryr - i still write that it's 2005 at times...
[04:19] <raphink> Riddell: Cannes is a place where people actually live, even when there's no festival ;)
[04:19] <Hobbsee> raphink: what, and drink beer?
[04:19] <raphink> Hobbsee: they drink pastis and martini here rather ;)
[04:19] <raphink> but some drink beer, too
[04:19] <Hobbsee> bleck.  still all alcohol.
[04:20] <raphink> Riddell: there is a high tech place around here, called Sophia Antipolis
[04:20] <raphink> this is where I'm working
[04:20] <raphink> it's 15km from Cannes
[04:21] <raphink> Hobbsee: can is on the French Riviera to be more precise
[04:21] <Hobbsee> raphink: ah :)
[04:21] <raphink> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannes
[04:21] <Riddell> Hobbsee: it's difficult to live without alcohol in france
[04:21] <Hobbsee> Riddell: isnt it anywhere?
[04:21] <raphink> Riddell: oh why?
[04:21] <raphink> :p
[04:21] <Hobbsee> pretty :)
[04:22] <raphink> Hobbsee: it is :)
[04:22] <raphink> this place is amazing
[04:22] <raphink> here the Alps (moutains if you wonder) meet the sea
[04:22] <Riddell> Hobbsee: nah, in Scotland you either drink 10 pints a day or you don't drink any, in France they drink sensible amounts all the time
[04:22] <raphink> the French Riviera is a piece of land just between the sea and the moutains
[04:22] <raphink> so what happens is that
[04:22] <raphink> it hardly ever snows here
[04:22] <Hobbsee> i knew about the Alps :P  my geography isnt *that* bad - although it is very shocking.
[04:22] <raphink> and it's very hot and sunny
[04:23] <Hobbsee> Riddell: hehe, fair enough
[04:23] <raphink> but if you go 50km to the North
[04:23] <raphink> you have the moutains
[04:23] <Hobbsee> Riddell: how much is a pint?
[04:23] <raphink> and snow most of the time
[04:23] <Riddell> Hobbsee: you don't have pints in .au?
[04:23] <Hobbsee> no, we're metric.
[04:23] <raphink> hehe
[04:23] <raphink> :p
[04:23] <Riddell> how clever
[04:23] <raphink> pint is a beer measurement
[04:23] <raphink> :p
[04:23] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:23] <Riddell> a pint is about 550ml
[04:24] <raphink> even in France we use pints
[04:24] <Hobbsee> Riddell: gotcha
[04:24] <raphink> although we only use metric system
[04:24] <raphink> good :)
[04:24] <raphink> it's good to not drink
[04:24] <raphink> I tried to only drink water here
[04:24] <sebas> Not good it's to drink.
[04:24] <raphink> but then people looked at me as if I was an alien
[04:26] <raphink> lol
[04:26] <raphink> there are nicer things to do for sure :)
[04:26] <raphink> :)
[04:26] <raphink> that is great :)
[04:27] <Hobbsee> raphink: sounds like fun, just dont get hit by a tree.
[04:27] <raphink> ........
[04:27] <imbrandon> hahahah
[04:27] <Hobbsee> between accelerating trees and people, the trees have yet to lose!
[04:28] <Hobbsee> er, why do i suddenly get the idea that i should have kept my mouth *shut* over that comment?  :P
[04:28] <imbrandon> lol
[04:31] <Hobbsee> okay, i'm bedding.
[04:31] <Hobbsee> night all.  see you all nice and bright and early in the morning
[04:34] <raphink> night
[04:35] <OdyX> night Hobbsee
[04:36] <Riddell> claydoh: are you going for kubuntu membership tonight?
[04:37] <claydoh> ??
[04:37] <claydoh> should I?
[04:37] <claydoh> but I am actually available for the meeting this time
[04:37] <Riddell> https://launchpad.net/people/claydoh applied for membership
[04:38] <Riddell> raphink: any idea if tonio will make it?
[04:38] <Riddell> toma: will you?
[04:38] <raphink> Riddell: no idea
[04:38] <raphink> I can ask him
[04:39] <raphink> claydoh: so you're not going for it?
[04:39] <claydoh> didn't say that, not too sure if I qualify, or am qualified rather
[04:40] <claydoh> but it won't hurt to try, I would imagine
[04:40] <raphink> claydoh: I don't consider your history in Kubuntu to be long enough for tht
[04:40] <Riddell> you'd need a wiki page and some people to testify
[04:40] <raphink> Riddell: there is a wiki page, but it's almost empty
[04:40] <claydoh> yeah
[04:41] <raphink> and the two other people who proposed don't even have a wiki page
[04:41] <claydoh> I haven't done much other than some (easy) mod work at kubuntuforums
[04:41] <raphink> claydoh: that is not enough for membership imo
[04:42] <raphink> but I encourage you to get more involved in Kubuntu :)
[04:42] <claydoh> that's ok, 	I imagine I though that membership there was similar to kubuntu users, but I really don't even remember applying
[04:43] <imbrandon> two other poeple ? did someone just add them selfs , i lookd a few hours ago and no one was on the list
[04:43] <raphink> imbrandon I guess
[04:44] <Riddell> "Jay M. Mapalo" not sure who that is
[04:44] <imbrandon> ummm are we looking at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Meetings ? i dont see any new members on the agenda
[04:44] <raphink> imbrandon, no look at the LP page
[04:44] <claydoh> I do what I can, even if it is not terribly much
[04:45] <imbrandon> ohh
[04:45] <raphink> sure claydoh :)
[04:45] <claydoh> leave the hard stuff for the experts, eh :)
[04:46] <raphink> it's up to you to become one ;)
[04:59] <claydoh> yeah, put it *all* on my shoulders :P
[04:59] <claydoh> lol
[04:59] <raphink> haha 
[05:04] <bddebian> Howdy
[05:07] <imbrandon> heya bddebian
[05:08] <bddebian> Heya imbrandon
[06:01] <Riddell> Lure: did you do any kind of spec for kubuntu power management?
[06:03] <toma> Riddell: hi, you asked me "Will you?", but I can't see the question...
[06:03] <Riddell> toma: be at the meeting tonight
[06:03] <toma> Riddell: oh yes, looking forward to it ;-)
[06:06] <toma> Riddell: A, I see jonathan asked for a reschedule
[06:08] <Riddell> which jonathan?
[06:08] <toma> Jess
[06:08] <toma> e
[06:09] <toma> Riddell: from the agenda: "While I will probablly not be here for the meeting (can we reschedule?) I will bring this up to the wiki team and doc team to get this taken care of (JonathanJesse)"
[06:12] <Lure> Riddell: not yet in wiki - will do today
[06:12] <Riddell> Lure: I made https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuPowerManagement
[06:13] <Lure> Riddell: should I add laptop hotkeys there too or separate spec?
[06:14] <Riddell> I also made https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuLaptopButtons
[06:14] <Lure> ok, great
[06:15] <Riddell> please add whatever thoughts you have to both of them
[06:15] <Lure> Riddell: will do
[06:17] <Riddell> thanks
[06:33] <Lure> Riddell: update https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuLaptopButtons
[06:36] <Tonio_> hey ;)
[06:48] <jpatrick> Tonio_: hi
[06:50] <Tonio_> hey jpatrick
[06:53] <Lure> hi Tonio_ & jpatrick
[06:54] <Tonio_> hey Lure ! how are you ?
[06:54] <Lure> Tonio_: fine, thanks
[06:55] <jpatrick> someone asked this on #kubuntu: "[17:31]  <thompa> there must be a reason knetworkmanageris not installed by default though"
[06:55] <Lure> jpatrick: when it works is great, when it does not it is no way to fix -> therefore hard to support
[06:55] <Tonio_> jpatrick: yes, no IP management.........
[06:56] <Tonio_> if it was possible to control IP settings, I don't see any reason it wouldn't be installed by default :)
[06:56] <Lure> jpatrick: other is no static IP support
[06:56] <jpatrick> Right, now I know how to answer next ti,e
[06:56] <Tonio_> Lure: btw, I think the best way to make static ip is with the usage of macaddress in dhcp servers ;)
[06:56] <Tonio_> ,computers don't have to use local ip settings to my view
[06:56] <Lure> Tonio_: there are still wireless cards that work (at least with WEP) w/o networkmanager, but they do not work with nm/wpasupplicate
[06:57] <Lure> Tonio_: exactly - this is how I have at home and work ;-)
[06:59] <Tonio_> Lure: even at work, I use dhcp on servers, except the dhcp server of course ;)
[06:59] <Tonio_> Lure: yes there are a very few cards that don't work
[06:59] <Tonio_> Lure: I think with nm 0.7 we can think of shipping it by default, since most issues should be resolved, and IP will be configurable ;)
[07:00] <Lure> Tonio_: not sure how 0.7 is progressing, but 0.6.3 is just around the corner... and there is SOC project on VPN stuff...
[07:01] <Tonio_> Lure: the big problem withn the vpn modules is the lack of a kde frontend :)
[07:01] <Lure> Tonio_: I hope Timo will work on this.... ;-)
[07:02] <Tonio_> Lure: I too :)
[07:02] <seaLne> the annoying feature i found was it downed the wired connection when you selected the wireless
[07:03] <seaLne> but i guess most people wouldn't be trying that
[07:03] <Tonio_> seaLne: we're talking about a tool for the average users :)
[07:03] <seaLne> yeah
[07:03] <Tonio_> those who want a very specific config can still use vim :)
[07:04] <seaLne> agreed :)
[07:04] <seaLne> most people aren't sshed in over the wired connection when they are playing with wireless settings I'd guess :)
[07:07] <Tonio_> seaLne: exactly
[07:10] <Tonio_> Riddell: I was thinking about this
[07:11] <Tonio_> Riddell: since the 2 lines in kde systray for kde 3.5.2 was a "bug" and since people seem to really appreciate this function
[07:11] <Tonio_> Riddell: shouldn't we patch or set the default size of the bar to 48 instead of 46 ?
[07:11] <Tonio_> Riddell: I feel many people will be dissapointed when installing 3.5.3....
[07:12] <Lure> Tonio_: agree (even though I use small systray)
[07:12] <Tonio_> although I understand it is not the purpose of updates to play with kde settings.....
[07:12] <Lure> Tonio_: shouldn;t this be adressed only in kde-353 repo and not -updates?
[07:13] <linuxmonkey> kde 3.5.3 still having issues with kubuntu?
[07:13] <Tonio_> Lure: depends if we patch the "normal" size setting in kde or if we set a custom size of 48 via kds
[07:13] <Tonio_> Lure: I think the first solution is the best
[07:14] <Tonio_> Lure: and I agree the first solution is very nice to provide
[07:14] <Tonio_> Riddell: I can patch, interested ?
[07:15] <Tonio_> linuxmonkey: nope, it corrects a bug, but in a "bad way", since the bug was really appreciated ;)
[07:15] <linuxmonkey> yeah
[07:15] <Tonio_> linuxmonkey: appart from that, I didn't personnaly saw bug issues with 3.5.3, and the speed is quite impressive
[07:15] <linuxmonkey> id probably say to keep the bug if its not a security bug and people like it better
[07:16] <Tonio_> linuxmonkey: it is easier to simply set the default size to 48, witch provides a 2 lines systray ;)
[07:16] <linuxmonkey> :)
[07:16] <linuxmonkey> true that
[07:18] <Lure> linuxmonkey: 3.5.3 looks great to me - issues should be reported here: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuAdditionalRepositories/KDE353
[07:18] <Tonio_> anyone packaged new kopete ?
[07:18] <Tonio_> it looks incredible, supports audio with jabber, and is the last stable version before kde4
[07:19] <Lure> Tonio_: I think freeflying was working on kopete...
[07:19] <Tonio_> I think we should provide a repo like we do with amarok
[07:19] <Tonio_> Lure: it just looks stupid it wasn't released with kde 3.5.3..........
[07:19] <Lure> Tonio_: in general it is confusing that apps that are part of kde are released separately
[07:20] <Lure> Tonio_: I think amarok/koffice approach (separate lifecycle) is more appropriate for apps that are actively developed
[07:21] <Tonio_> Lure: concerning koffice I'm okay, yes
[07:21] <Tonio_> Lure: argh !!!!!!!! the kicker size in hardcoded.......... dirty.........
[07:23] <Lure> Tonio_: then hardcode it back to 48 with patch ;-)
[07:24] <linuxmonkey> so Tonio_ you like kde 3.5.3 better than 3.5.2
[07:30] <Tonio_> linuxmonkey: yes I do ;)
[07:30] <Tonio_> Lure: I'm on it :)
[07:31] <linuxmonkey> ok thanks im gonna upgrade then
[07:34] <Riddell> Tonio_: yes, but for edgy
[07:37] <Tonio_> Riddell: isn't that possible to include that is your repo ?
[07:37] <Tonio_> Riddell: I though that was okay as long as it wasn't an official one ?
[07:38] <Riddell> I don't want external kubuntu-default-settings packages, that'll mess up the versioning
[07:39] <Tonio_> Riddell: no, I'm talking about patching the size in kdebase ;)
[07:39] <Tonio_> that way that could be included in your repo
[07:39] <Tonio_> Riddell: the settings are hardcoded, so kds is unusable at this stage :)
[07:40] <Tonio_> so I can prepare a 0ubuntu2 version of kdebase for your repo :)
[07:40] <Lure> Tonio_: 0ubuntu0.2
[07:41] <Tonio_> Lure: sure, I wrote that without looking at the versioning
[07:41] <Tonio_> Riddell: is that possible ?
[07:44] <Riddell> I don't have time to recompile it all again
[07:46] <Tonio_> Riddell: I can understand.... and since the packages have to be signed, I can't compile them myself right ?
[08:05] <linuxmonkey> i miss my 2 lines of system tray :( just upgraded to kde3.5.3
[08:07] <linuxmonkey> its 48 pixels on the other one isnt it?
[08:10] <goldenear> Koos, the dev of kmplayer is actually working on the next version if this nice media player... Nice because it works very well in Konq for videos embedded in web pages, but not so nice as a standalone player...
[08:11] <goldenear> That's why koos is actually working on the UI for the standalone player (better organisation of menus, etc...).
[08:11] <jpatrick> goldenear: I'll update as soon as released
[08:12] <linuxmonkey> Tonio_: what you were speaking about before was the pixel size of the menu right?
[08:13] <goldenear> Also, kmplayer wich should be renamed "oskar" should look like this: http://goldenear.online.fr/oskar/oskar_mockup.jpg
[08:13] <Tonio_> linuxmonkey: yes
[08:13] <jpatrick> ok that looks worse imo
[08:13] <Tonio_> goldenear: PV !!!!!!!!
[08:15] <goldenear> the playlist is just how it looks at the moment and would of course need to be better :)
[08:15] <goldenear> jpatrick: what don't you like in the UI ?
[08:15] <goldenear> (except the playlist)
[08:16] <jpatrick> goldenear: maybe it's the big fonts that scare me
[08:16] <goldenear> big fonts ?
[08:16] <jpatrick> in the playlist :P
[08:16] <linuxmonkey> ok thanks Tonio_ I set mine to custom size and its back the way I like it :)
[08:17] <goldenear> jpatrick: I said you, the playlist is ugly, don't care about it, just look at the general UI organization :)
[08:17] <goldenear> the playlist tab will need cosmetic :)
[08:17] <Tonio_> jpatrick: I agree it would be nice to have only one player
[08:17] <Tonio_> the problem is that kaffeine may never be patched since upstream doesn't want to make konqueror's plugin working correctly
[08:18] <Tonio_> so we have 2 ways to do :
[08:18] <Tonio_> make kmplayer a decent standalone player and use it as the only video player
[08:18] <goldenear> Koos is very active in the dev of kmplayer/oskar but would need help for a dev or two
[08:18] <Tonio_> or split the kaffeine package as we did with kmplayer's one to remove the integrated player
[08:18] <jpatrick> Tonio_: or use codeine
[08:19] <Tonio_> jpatrick: hum........ I agreed in the past, but it lacks to many functions
[08:19] <goldenear> codeine is too simple
[08:19] <Tonio_> and the konq plugin is unstable too
[08:19] <jpatrick> goldenear: that's the joy of it
[08:19] <Tonio_> jpatrick: don't forget codeine is a xine only frontend, and the future of kubuntu is gstreamer....
[08:19] <goldenear> the lack of feature is a real pain for me :/
[08:19] <jpatrick> Tonio_: oh damn
[08:19] <goldenear> Tonio_: phonon !
[08:20] <goldenear> lol
[08:20] <toma> we are doing the meeting right now?
[08:20] <jpatrick> let's make a gstreamer engine
[08:20] <Tonio_> goldenear: I'm talking about the next 2 years ;)
[08:20] <jpatrick> toma: could be...
[08:20] <toma> ;-)
[08:21] <toma> media support in codeine is still lacking, even in the new upstream release (yes, i packed that already)
[08:21] <Tonio_> jpatrick: and the konq plugin lacks everything that makes kmplayer that kool
[08:21] <goldenear> Tonio_: phonon will be ready in less that 2 years :)
[08:21] <Tonio_> jpatrick: I'm so in love with the ability to "fullscreen" an embedded video :)
[08:21] <Tonio_> that makes windows users jalous, beleive me ;)
[08:21] <toma> it has some support, but not everything works, next to that upstream is not very responsive
[08:21] <jpatrick> Tonio_: my kmplayer stopped working 5 months ago
[08:22] <Tonio_> goldenear: yes, but with the time required for player to be ported to it, for it to become really stable...........
[08:22] <goldenear> jpatrick: Koos is very active at the moment, have a look at the svn
[08:23] <jpatrick> goldenear: it says engine xine not running -> buffering -> not running
[08:24] <goldenear> jpatrick: may be because you've not set the right output (eg kmplayer is set up for Xv, but Xv is not avaible (xvinfo))
[08:24] <jpatrick> It worked BEFORE tho
[08:25] <goldenear> jpatrick: try xshm
[08:25] <Tonio_> well the point is that no player is perfect, but the one that has the best base is certainly kmplayer
[08:26] <jpatrick> goldenear: still don't work
[08:26] <Tonio_> since it mostly needs UI improvement, but as a solid internal engine
[08:26] <goldenear> jpatrick: even with xshm ?
[08:26] <jpatrick> None of them
[08:26] <Tonio_> kaffeine is becoming a mess.......... to many audio features
[08:27] <Tonio_> we already have konqueror, kaudiocreator and amarok to rip cds..........
[08:27] <goldenear> jpatrick: what kind of file/url are you trying to play ? avi/wmv ?
[08:27] <Tonio_> and codeine is too limited at the moment
[08:27] <jpatrick> goldenear: mpeg
[08:27] <jpatrick> goldenear: ans I can view in codeine
[08:27] <Tonio_> kmplayer is stable, handles gstreamer, xine or mplayer, is very stable in konqueror and has all functions required by a great player
[08:28] <Tonio_> except the UI sucks a bit.......
[08:28] <Tonio_> jpatrick: url plz ?
[08:28] <jpatrick> Tonio_: local
[08:28] <Tonio_> jpatrick: is it a big file ? can you send it to me via dcc ?
[08:28] <jpatrick> 34 MB
[08:28] <Tonio_> are you ready ? ;)
[08:29] <jpatrick> you really want it?
[08:29] <Tonio_> jpatrick: I want to test :)
[08:30] <jpatrick> BIG file coming up
[08:30] <goldenear> I would like to test it too :)
[08:30] <Tonio_> goldenear: I'll send it to you (1 mbit up)
[08:31] <jpatrick> I hope you like the Red Hot Chili Peppers...
[08:31] <jpatrick> kmplayer can't play mp3's either
[08:33] <goldenear> jpatrick: kmplayer (when used with xine engine) rely on xine to play the media... exactly as codeine
[08:33] <goldenear> so if xine can play it in codeine, it should be able to do it in kmplayer
[08:33] <jpatrick> Well one works the other don't
[08:34] <goldenear> it's a very strange problem
[08:34] <goldenear> if it's a bug of kmplayer, I'll tell to Koos, he's very responsive
[08:35] <jpatrick> Damn it
[08:35] <jpatrick> Xine > gstreamer
[08:35] <jpatrick> kmplayer was using gstreamer...
[08:35] <goldenear> I mail him an url with a .smil file that kmplayer could not play, and Koos has already fix it :)
[08:36] <goldenear> jpatrick: to that was the problem :)
[08:36] <jpatrick> :)
[08:36] <goldenear> does it work now with xinr ?
[08:37] <goldenear> xine*
[08:37] <jpatrick> Yep
[08:37] <goldenear> :D
[08:37] <goldenear> jpatrick: are you a coder ?
[08:37] <jpatrick> Not a great one
[08:37] <Tonio_> jpatrick: I don't have kmplayer installed, but I can read it with kaffeine + the kmplayer kpart
[08:38] <Tonio_> works like a charm on your file
[08:38] <jpatrick> yeah, and that song > *
[08:38] <goldenear> Tonio_: jpatrick found the problem: he was using gstreamer instead of xine :)
[08:38] <Tonio_> goldenear: hahaha
[08:39] <Tonio_> jpatrick: booooooooooo h !!!!!!
[08:39] <jpatrick> Tonio_: must of been the gsteamer0.10 support I heard of
[08:39] <Tonio_> jpatrick: sure :)
[08:40] <Tonio_> jpatrick: gstreaming is lovely, but young........
[08:40] <jpatrick> It's never worked
[08:40] <goldenear> xine works better atm
[08:40] <Tonio_> goldenear: nothing works better than mplayer
[08:40] <Tonio_> but due to licences issues, I'm using xine too
[08:41] <Tonio_> goldenear: when xine will handle the multiposte options of the free isp, it'll compare to mplayer ;)
[08:41] <goldenear> what can mplayer do better than xine ?
[08:41] <goldenear> ok
[08:41] <Tonio_> goldenear: it supports the multiposte, and not xine
[08:41] <Tonio_> goldenear: knew that ?
[08:42] <goldenear> yep
[08:42] <goldenear> I've done some test about it
[08:42] <Tonio_> here is france, in the geek world, that's a big issue :)
[08:42] <goldenear> xine can play a rtp/rtsp stream
[08:42] <goldenear> xine handles mpeg2 TS
[08:42] <Tonio_> goldenear: yes, but I don't know why it diesn't work with free.......
[08:42] <Tonio_> I never figured out the reason of this.........
[08:43] <goldenear> but it doesn't play free's MPEG2 TS / rtp streams ..
[08:43] <goldenear> very strange
[08:43] <jpatrick> Tonio_: now; to get flash working
[08:43] <Tonio_> certainly a bug since mplayer did it naturally
[08:43] <goldenear> I guess
[08:43] <Tonio_> jpatrick: we need to wait, gnash isn't ready.........
[08:43] <Tonio_> yop gropayday
[08:44] <Tonio_> oups, sorry Dinofly, we're not on the good channel :)
[08:44] <goldenear> Tonio_: did you ask the xine devs about the FreeTV problem ?
[08:44] <Tonio_> goldenear: nope, and I think that would be complicated for them to test unless there is a french free user in the team
[08:45] <Tonio_> but if there was one, there would already be a patch :)
[08:46] <goldenear> Tonio_: it's easy to capture the stream and send it to one of the devs
[08:46] <Tonio_> goldenear: well you seem to have very good knowledge on the video part (since I think it is your job), but I'm very far from beeing an expert on that point :)
[08:46] <Tonio_> goldenear: maybe better than you contact the xine team on that point, since you'll have the good words :)
[08:47] <goldenear> sure, I'll do it :)
[08:48] <Tonio_> goldenear: great
[08:48] <goldenear> in fact, oskar will have freeTV support
[08:48] <goldenear> freeboxtv could be one of the tv sources
[08:49] <goldenear> (with DVB)
[08:50] <goldenear> so the playlist will display the channels and the info box (the emply black window under the video controls on the mockup) will display current/next program :D
[08:51] <goldenear> jpatrick: would you have the knowledge to add the side panel to kmplayer (like on the mockup) ?
[08:52] <goldenear> I think some sidebar code from amarok could be re-used (especialy for the files tab)
[09:12] <lnxkde> Riddell
[09:12] <lnxkde> you there>
[09:12] <lnxkde> ?
[09:12] <Riddell> lnxkde: not really
[09:12] <lnxkde> you are the one that packaged koffice ?
[09:12] <Riddell> yes
[09:12] <lnxkde> It is not working at lest for me on amd64
[09:13] <lnxkde> kde 3.5.3 is working like charm
[09:13] <Riddell> which packages, not working in which way?
[09:13] <jpatrick> goldenear: don't think so :(
[09:13] <lnxkde> well I run kword and I get this
[09:13] <jpatrick> Tonio_: how do you like the video?
[09:13] <lnxkde> konsole
[09:13] <lnxkde> lnxkde@lnxkde-desktop:~$ kword
[09:13] <lnxkde> kword: error while loading shared libraries: libkio.4: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[09:13] <lnxkde> lnxkde@lnxkde-desktop:~$
[09:14] <Riddell> lnxkde: oh, hmm, I had that problem with the amarok packages
[09:14] <Tonio_> jpatrick: I stopped before the end :)
[09:14] <jpatrick> :P
[09:14] <Riddell> guess I need to rebuild koffice in a new chroot
[09:14] <lnxkde> well amarok 1.4 working 
[09:15] <Riddell> yes, I rebuilt that
[09:15] <lnxkde> I see
[09:16] <lnxkde> btw : nice work with dapper and kde 3.5.3 I love it I installed with the desktopcd and then I updated all :D
[09:16] <Lure> Riddell: libkio problem already reported here https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuAdditionalRepositories/KOffice151
[09:17] <lnxkde> yeah alll koffice and krita wont work
[09:19] <lnxkde> thankx for listsening Riddell 
[09:19] <lnxkde> well for reading ;)
[09:20] <lnxkde> I wich someday I could just fix the problem my self and help with the process but I cant right now, I dont have the knowlage ( I dont even know how to write in english)
[09:20] <jpatrick> Riddell: can you help me explain? http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/763150
[09:34] <Tonio_> meeting in 30 minutes
[09:35] <pygi> Tonio_, joy ;)
[09:37] <Tonio_> Lure: ping ?
[09:40] <Lure> Tonio_: pong
[09:40] <toma> Tonio_: wasnt that 21utc?
[09:40] <Tonio_> toma: and ? isn't that in 20 minutes
[09:41] <jpatrick> No
[09:41] <toma> Tonio_: hmm, my guess was 23
[09:41] <jpatrick> an hour
[09:41] <Tonio_> Lure: I was wondering : why is the knetworkmanager icon in the systray that little ? icons is the sources are "normal" 20 px icons..........
[09:41] <Lure> Tonio_: no - it is 23 CET
[09:41] <Tonio_> Lure: isn't that a bug
[09:41] <Tonio_> ?
[09:41] <jpatrick> patrick@rothera:~$ date -u
[09:41] <jpatrick> Tue Jun  6 19:41:17 UTC 2006
[09:41] <Tonio_> Lure: ah ? this is due to summer time ?
[09:41] <Lure> Tonio_: I think it is and I have seen some recent commit in svn about icons
[09:42] <Tonio_> I never know if france is gmt + 1 or +2 :)
[09:42] <Lure> Tonio_: yes - CET = UTC+2 during summer time
[09:42] <toma> 1,5
[09:42] <Lure> toma: on average ;-)
[09:42] <Tonio_> Lure: messy ;)
[09:43] <toma> Tonio_: then you are never really late, or you are perfectly on time...
[09:44] <Tonio_> toma: hehe
[09:51] <Tonio_> Riddell: any news about the new kds in upgrades ?
[10:45] <toma> linuxmonkey: you're not giving me any time to prepare your application...
[10:45] <linuxmonkey> lmao
[10:46] <linuxmonkey> im the devil  aplied on 06/06/06 666 :)
[10:46] <linuxmonkey> we can put it to next meeting if need be toma
[10:46] <toma> tss
[10:46] <toma> we'll see
[10:46] <linuxmonkey> no rush, it will give me more time to contribute more :)
[10:49] <toma> linuxmonkey: are there any people available to confirm your activities?
[10:49] <toma> it will help when we start discussing you
[10:49] <linuxmonkey> yeah nixternal can
[10:50] <toma> nixternal: are you going to go to the meeting?
[10:50] <linuxmonkey> and im sure a few others could too
[10:50] <toma> oki
[10:50] <linuxmonkey> yea he is
[10:50] <nixternal> toma: im going to be there, but i don't know this linuxmonkey character ;)
[10:51] <linuxmonkey> lmao
[10:51] <toma> hihi
[10:51] <linuxmonkey> im actually working ona nother art thing at the moment so people can show their support for kubuntu
[10:59] <toma> technical board seem to be in a meeting still
[10:59] <linuxmonkey> yeah
[10:59] <linuxmonkey> it seamed they were almost done for a sec and they started again'
[11:00] <nixternal> why not a #kubuntu-meeting ?
[11:01] <Riddell> we'll just wait for them to finish
[11:01] <toma> there is no log there
[11:01] <nixternal> i think ubugtu answered my question ;)
[11:01] <Riddell> Tonio_: no currently
[11:01] <Riddell> s/no/not/
[11:01] <nixternal> ya toma..that is what i thought
[11:04] <toma> Riddell: do you know if hobbsee is joining?
[11:05] <Riddell> toma: she said she would if I gave her a wakeup call
[11:05] <nixternal> hobbsee requested a wakeup call from Riddell i believe
[11:05] <nixternal> hehe
[11:05] <toma> Riddell: kc members is very low, without allee...
[11:05] <toma> and maybe others
[11:06] <Tonio_> talking about allee did someone saw him recently ?
[11:06] <toma> he is on holiday
[11:06] <Tonio_> toma: ho nice :)
[11:06] <toma> 10days, should be back soon
[11:08] <toma> raphink is without internet?
[11:09] <Riddell> he is
[11:09] <linuxmonkey> thats no fun?
[11:09] <linuxmonkey> !
[11:11] <toma> kmplayer 0.9.2a is being prepared
[11:12] <Riddell> Hobbsee: tech meeting still happening
[11:12] <imbrandon> morning Hobbsee
[11:12] <Riddell> should be over soon
[11:12] <Hobbsee> bah.  why'd you call me then?
[11:12] <imbrandon> TB still going on
[11:12] <Hobbsee> hey Riddell and imbrandon 
[11:12] <toma> hi Hobbsee, take some coffee
[11:12] <Hobbsee> hey toma - i dont drink coffee
[11:13] <nixternal> good morning Hobbsee
[11:13] <Hobbsee> hey nixternal 
[11:13] <linuxmonkey> lol
[11:13] <nixternal> no sleep
[11:13] <Hobbsee> :'(
[11:13] <Hobbsee> who says?
[11:13] <nixternal> my mom tells me that i can sleep when im dead...thanks mom
[11:13] <linuxmonkey> Hobbsee:  i'll give you a pillow for the meeting if you +1 :)
[11:13] <Hobbsee> hehe
[11:13] <Hobbsee> linuxmonkey: if i +1?
[11:14] <linuxmonkey> it may be moved to next meeting
[11:14] <Hobbsee> hey kmon 
[11:14] <Hobbsee> oh ok
[11:14] <nixternal> you didn't until linuxmonkey figured how to edit a wiki ;)
[11:14] <kmon> hi
[11:14] <linuxmonkey> lmao
[11:14] <Hobbsee> hehe!
[11:14] <Hobbsee> hit the edit button, yeah :P
[11:14] <Riddell> ** Kubuntu meeting in 1 minute in #ubuntu-meeting
[11:14] <linuxmonkey> lol been editing a few wifi's since they started
[11:14] <nixternal> go go go!!!
[11:15] <Hobbsee> Riddell: is your connection really bad today or something?
[11:15] <Riddell> Hobbsee: no, seems fine
[11:16] <Riddell> I didn't hear anything from you either
[11:16] <Hobbsee> i said hello and then hung up :P
[11:16] <Hobbsee> weird.
[11:16] <Lure> room is free ;-)
[11:16] <Riddell> so let's start
[11:17] <Hobbsee> crud.  i cant even spell my own name today!