[12:04] <kk> Fillado: only 0.11.0 is included..
[12:04] <Fillado> ah k
[12:05] <kk> Fillado: what to do now ?
[12:05] <Fillado> http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/kopete/kopete_0.12-beta1-dapper-1_i386.deb ?
[12:06] <kk> Fillado: i need to remove the older version...rite ? how do i do that ?
[12:06] <reclaimer> could somebody help me? I've got a problem ( german speaking people prefered )
[12:06] <kk> Fillado: apt-get is ready to remove kubuntu-desktop if i try to do that..
[12:06] <godzero> jbirdAngel: I don't use thunderbird, but it's prolly using the system prefence for http: or .html to open web pages. Look into that
[12:06] <Fillado> no you should be able to just install over it
[12:07] <sokuban> yay! It worked, and found flashplugin!
[12:07] <reclaimer> could somebody just tell me how I can safe my documents if OpenOffice crushed?
[12:07] <kk> Fillado: then, will it be embedded into kde ?
[12:07] <reclaimer> *crashed?
[12:08] <Fillado> kk: what do you mean embedded?
[12:08] <kk> Fillado: like...does it just replace the previous version of kopete ?
[12:08] <Fillado> kk: yup
[12:09] <reclaimer> PLEASE Oo !?
[12:09] <reclaimer> can anybody help me !?
[12:10] <Fillado> kk: it may come up with an error about overwriting something so just open up a terminal and; sudo dpkg --force-overwrite --install /*path to file*/kopete_0.12-beta1-dapper-1_i386.deb
[12:10] <sokuban> flash tested and working, thanks for all the trouble ^_^
[12:11] <kk> Fillado: lemme see..
[12:11] <farous> reclaimer: what is your prob
[12:11] <Fillado> reclaimer: IIRC OpenOffice auto-saves documents every 10mins, and you can change that frequency if you wish
[12:11] <Bizzeh> hey, i installed both flex and bison, but dont seem to have yyparse from the bison package
[12:11] <Bizzeh> can anyone tell me where to find it?
[12:12] <reclaimer> yeah, my problem is that open office crashed and I want to save my files
[12:12] <farous> reclaimer: normally there is a temp file
[12:12] <reclaimer> wherE?
[12:12] <farous> but you can change the autosave frequ as someone said earlier. open tools options for that
[12:13] <reclaimer> sorry, I'm a total noob... where do I have to search 4 my files ?
[12:13] <Fillado> /home/*user*/.openoffice.org
[12:13] <Fillado> or something like that
[12:13] <reclaimer> k, let's see... thx
[12:14] <farous> reclaimer: in the folder you created them in. normaly as you start open office again it will recover your crashed session
[12:14] <godzero> reclaimer: /tmp is also a good place to look
[12:15] <Qrawl> Im getting errors installing Java
[12:15] <Qrawl> it gets broken
[12:16] <farous> Qrawl: which java you installed
[12:16] <Qrawl> I was trying to install  sun-java5-plugin
[12:16] <Qrawl> and sun-java5-jre
[12:17] <reclaimer> farous: are you sure it will recover them ? and how can I close openOffice ?
[12:17] <farous> Qrawl: install sun-java5-jre first. the plugin is easy to install
[12:17] <farous> reclaimer: with openoffice you are never sure. that is why you need to save frequently. i dumped it to latex
[12:18] <Qrawl> farous, it wouldnt let me
[12:18] <farous> Qrawl: what error are you getting exactly
[12:19] <chrome_it> hello, I have a problem with kbluetoothd
[12:19] <chrome_it> who use it?
[12:19] <Qrawl> farous, "There was an error committing changes.  Possibly there was a problem downloading some packages or the commit would break packages."
[12:19] <Qrawl> It does that at about 4%
[12:19] <farous> Qrawl: try purging it and installing it again
[12:19] <Qrawl> ok
[12:20] <reclaimer> farous: any other idea how I could find my files? I cant find them in tmp
[12:20] <jbirdAngel> ill look thank you for trying to help
[12:21] <farous> reclaimer: where did you create them
[12:21] <reclaimer> on the desktop
[12:21] <farous> check them there and as been said before in .openoffice.org2/user/temp
[12:21] <Evixo> anyone who can help me solve a mounting problem ?
[12:22] <Fillado> Evixo: shoot
[12:22] <Qrawl> farous, maybe theres some kind of User Agreement form that Adept isnt showing me
[12:22] <Qrawl> I'll try it in Konsole
[12:22] <farous> Qrawl: i am not sure am not adept user
[12:22] <Fillado> Qrawl: there is, you not doing it in a terminal?
[12:22] <Evixo> I'm trying to mount my dvd but keep getting the message " can't mount /dev/hdb"
[12:23] <Qrawl> oh ok
[12:23] <Evixo> I've tried unmounting everything and mount it manually
[12:23] <Qrawl> no, I was doing it in Adept
[12:23] <Evixo> still can't watch it
[12:23] <Fillado> Evixo: doesn't it mount automatically
[12:23] <Evixo> no
[12:23] <Fillado> hmm
[12:24] <reclaimer> farous: and where is this "openoffice"-Folder ^^' ?
[12:24] <farous> reclaimer: it is hidden one
[12:24] <Fillado> reclaimer: in the address bar when your in your home folder type . and you'll see loads of settings folders come up
[12:24] <farous> so it is under your dir and start with a dot (.openoffcie
[12:25] <farous>  .openoffice.org2/user/temp
[12:25] <Fillado> Evixo: so what hapeens when you put a DVD in?
[12:25] <Fillado> do you get an icon on the desktop?
[12:25] <godzero> ****generating key - gotta type stuff**** sorry
[12:25] <klerfayt> what you type behind glxgears so that it shows fps?
[12:26] <godzero> ignore
[12:26] <Evixo> hehe nothing :) I type the mounting command ... it says that it's write protected so read-only (logical with a DVD-ROM) and that's it
[12:26] <Evixo> it won't really mount nor play
[12:26] <yonkeltron> anyone have a dell inspiron 6000?
[12:27] <chrome_it> me
[12:27] <tyfon_> i dont think you have to mount it to play a dvd really, try to leave it unmounted and just select "Play DVD" form kaffeine
[12:27] <Fillado> so there's no "DVD Video" thing on the desktop?
[12:27] <Evixo> no
[12:27] <Fillado> strange
[12:27] <tyfon_> you need to install libdvdread too
[12:27] <reclaimer> crap, I found the folder but there arent any TEMP files... thx for your help, now could somebody tell me how I can shut down OpenOffice?
[12:27] <Fillado> ah yeah, do you have libdvdcss2 ?
[12:28] <chrome_it> yonkeltron: I own a dell i6000
[12:28] <tyfon_> yes and dvdcss2
[12:28] <yonkeltron> chrome_it: dapper?
[12:28] <Evixo> should have that but could try to re-install
[12:28] <tyfon_> you need ;)
[12:28] <chrome_it> yes
[12:28] <Qrawl> Ok, I deleted the prev downloaded .deb Java packages, and redid it in console
[12:28] <Qrawl> it seems to be downloading now
[12:28] <farous> reclaimer: tiy cab bit shut it with the mouse .try killall oowriter
[12:28] <zak> How do you install a package from a tarball?
[12:28] <farous> in a terminal
[12:28] <yonkeltron> chrome_it: does suspend work for you?
[12:28] <Fillado> zak: extract it ;)
[12:28] <chrome_it> nope
[12:29] <zak> that's it?
[12:29] <Ahmuck_> i purchased a usb key.  is there a way to use it in linux?  can i use portable firefox on it both on windows and kubuntu ?
[12:29] <reclaimer> cab bit ?
[12:29] <Fillado> zak: what's the thing you're trying to install?
[12:29] <yonkeltron> chrome_it: it goes down and doesn't come up correctly?
[12:29] <chrome_it> yes
[12:29] <zak> Firefox (and how do you do the direct say kinda thing)
[12:29] <tyfon_> Ahmuck_: plug it in and it should pop up, but its really just for data storage, not program storage ;).. but you should be able to store your firefox profile on it
[12:30] <Fillado> Ahmuck_: USB keys automatically mount in Kubuntu like in Windows - very easy (as it uses the FAT filesystem which both windows and linux can read)
[12:30] <Ahmuck_> tyfon_: what if it does not mount ?
[12:30] <Fillado> it should
[12:30] <Fillado> :)
[12:30] <tyfon_> Ahmuck_: then you should google for it, if it doesnt its probably some propriary type stick
[12:30] <godzero> hey guys.. do the million monkeys thing so i can build a key faster :)
[12:30] <Ahmuck_> wait, nm, i have usb disabled at the bios.
[12:30] <yonkeltron> chrome_it: it's so annoying
[12:30] <yonkeltron> chrome_it: is there a bug filed for it?
[12:30] <tyfon_> Ahmuck_: that would help yes ;)
[12:30] <Mosi> anyone here know Yaboot? i'm looking for tips on doing a seamless computer theme
[12:31] <Fillado> Zak: yeah if you right click on it, extract it (right click)
[12:31] <Fillado> Zak: then you have to "install" it through an easy enough setup program (./*something IIRC)
[12:32] <reclaimer> killall oowriter doesn't work
[12:32] <chrome_it> yonkeltron: I dont know
[12:32] <chrome_it> check launchpad
[12:32] <farous> reclaimer: you were using the writer right
[12:33] <yonkeltron> chrome_it: i think i found one
[12:33] <reclaimer> and this powerpoint-thing
[12:33] <Fillado> Zak: some info at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxNewVersion?highlight=%28firefox%29
[12:33] <yonkeltron> chrome_it: check this https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/acpi-support/+bug/28959
[12:33] <fent> has anyone had problems withe the 6.06 install not setting up /boot
[12:33] <godzero> I gots me a big key! yay!
[12:33] <farous> ok killall ooimpress
[12:33] <yonkeltron> fent: what filesystem?
[12:33] <fent> . /boot : ex2
[12:34] <farous> impress is the presenter witer is the writer for doc
[12:34] <fent> err ext
[12:34] <reclaimer> that doesn't work too
[12:34] <farous> what prompt you got from the terminal
[12:34] <farous> did you get empty prompt or no process kill
[12:34] <reclaimer> no process kill
[12:35] <farous> have no idea
[12:35] <Rawr> Hey, I've got a question.
[12:35] <reclaimer> crap... I'll reboot, thx 4 your help dude
[12:35] <farous> you might try executing " top " to see what is running
[12:35] <Rawr> I'm running windows right now, but I want to go to linux, specifically kub., but will I have to erase all my filess?
[12:36] <farous> reclaimer: no need to reboot just log out and in again and you are good
[12:36] <TheHighChild> raw: no, you will need to setup a separate partition though
[12:36] <Evixo> still no succes on mounting ... :(
[12:36] <reclaimer> k, thx
[12:36] <Kadran> Rawr: you can use the desktop version untill you decide to switch
[12:36] <altprsona> my screensavers are not working. i have them enabled, i believe... but my screen just goes blank after awhile and i dont know where the power managment controlls are
[12:37] <Rawr> Ahh...I'll be able to run windows games on kub, yes? either using VMware or another emulator type thing?
[12:37] <TheHighChild> What game are you trying to play Rawr?
[12:37] <TheHighChild> I'll see if you can play it natively
[12:37] <chrome_it> yonkeltron: ati or nvidia?
[12:37] <luh> exhale : - wrong busid detected
[12:38] <Rawr> Quite a few... CS, Guild wars, GUNZ...splinter cell....
[12:38] <yonkeltron> chrome_it: intel
[12:38] <Rawr> Would photoshop CS2 run native to linux?
[12:38] <chrome_it> ah okay, I use ati g-c
[12:38] <Ahmuck> so is there a write/re-write limit on usb keys ?
[12:38] <TheHighChild> You can get many games working with Cedega, that is a subscription service. You can also use free alternatives like Wine to act as a layer for the Windows files and they will play
[12:39] <TheHighChild> Rawr: CS2, no
[12:39] <TheHighChild> You can try with Codeweavers software
[12:39] <TheHighChild> I use Dreamweaver and Fireworks with that
[12:39] <Rawr> well, I can always get VMware..which I'm going to do..I can't live without CS2.
[12:39] <TheHighChild> You can use Photoshop, I cannot verify if CS2 is supported yet, let me check
[12:40] <Qrawl> Java is now installed.    if you want to install java , you first do :   sudo dpkg-reconfigure debconf   and set it to Dialog
[12:40] <Qrawl> then do  sudo apt-get -f install
[12:41] <Qrawl> that installs Java for some reason
[12:41] <Rawr> man, I've got a lot of questions.uh, does kub. come with a GUI? such as one that I could use to access the webbrowser?
[12:42] <tyfon_> Rawr: yes, it has kde :)
[12:42] <TheHighChild> Rawr: Here is a list of supported Windows apps that run on Crossover Office, a Linux application layer
[12:42] <TheHighChild> http://www.codeweavers.com/products/cxoffice/supported_apps/
[12:42] <CaBlGuY> ok, so how would I go about being able to get stuff off of my digicam??
[12:42] <tyfon_> Rawr: download the desktop cd and you can run a livecd to look at it before switching. it will run a bit slower though since it runs off a cd
[12:43] <CaBlGuY> humboldt:  ya around?
[12:43] <zak> how, then you're typing in say something like, cd, do you scroll through a list of files in the folder?
[12:43] <Rawr> can someone give me a link to the LIVE cd?
[12:43] <tyfon_> zak: tab twice will list the options
[12:44] <tyfon_> or files/directories
[12:44] <tyfon_> Rawr: first link in the topic :)
[12:44] <eqisow> evening all
[12:45] <ubuntu_> when trying to install dapper to hd it halted at 23 percent and stopped there... the mouse worked but the system did not respond anymore
[12:45] <ubuntu_> suggestions?
[12:45] <Rawr> Tyfon: The dapper drake thing?
[12:45] <tyfon_> yes
[12:45] <Rawr> alright..is vmware a process hog/
[12:46] <tyfon_> it will run slower
[12:46] <CaBlGuY> ubuntu_ what distro u usin??
[12:46] <ubuntu_> 6.06
[12:46] <ubuntu_> ubuntu dapper desktop
[12:46] <Rawr> so, I'm a bit confused, the desktop CD is the same as the live CD?
[12:47] <tyfon_> yes
[12:47] <ubuntu_> yes desktop is the same as live
[12:47] <tyfon_> just boot it and you get a desktop you can try out with diffrent apps
[12:47] <havoc> jeebus
[12:47] <Rawr> alright, thanks so much guys :] 
[12:47] <ubuntu_> but you can also install from it
[12:47] <CaBlGuY> strieght Ubuntu? Not Kubuntu??
[12:47] <Rawr> one last question, is the desktop the EXACT same interface?
[12:47] <tyfon_> yes
[12:47] <Rawr> Command-line based?
[12:47] <tyfon_> nope
[12:48] <tyfon_> all gui
[12:48] <tyfon_> same with the installer, there is an icon for it on the desktop when you boot
[12:48] <Rawr> my friend is running Kub. with a command line infterface..
[12:48] <tyfon_> you can do that too
[12:48] <Rawr> with options tweaks?
[12:48] <Mosi> does anone know where the kernel gets the image for the boot splash?
[12:48] <tyfon_> just open Kmenu->system->konsole and you get command line
[12:48] <ubuntu_> i boot up and click install and it starts install but at then when copying files at 23 percent it just stoppes
[12:49] <Rawr> sweet, thanks again, I'm going to try the live cd now =D
[12:49] <tyfon_> =)
[12:49] <Rawr> I'll be backk!
[12:49] <fent> well i partitioned my 80gb sata drive with (100mb for /boot) (2g swap) and (40gb for /) yet when i reboot i get a "non system disk error"
[12:50] <ubuntu_> hmm
[12:50] <fent> ubuntu_ : i had that problem a few times though i later found out that it was damaged or poor media
[12:51] <fent> heh the burner here at work was beat ;)
[12:51] <tyfon_> yeah sounds like bad cd
[12:52] <fent> it happend to me when i did the 5.18 dvd isos
[12:52] <sokuban> I am currently running kubuntu on my computer's slave drive (which is really tiny) I want to mount my main windows drive. Is it possible to share the files between kubuntu and windows? both drives are FAT32
[12:52] <chrome_it> yonkeltron: hibernate works for me
[12:52] <fent> anybody had something similar to my problem
[12:52] <ubuntu_> fent: ok, I did check the CD and it did say that the checksum was not correct but I figured that since the liveCD worked... you know
[12:52] <tyfon_> sokuban: open system menu->storage media, the disks should already be there
[12:53] <fent> yeah
[12:53] <tyfon_> the button next to the k menu
[12:53] <fent> is it the 6.06 release?
[12:53] <ubuntu_> but ok I will burn at a lower pace and check it again.. then install it if its checksum is ok or else not
[12:53] <ubuntu_> yes 6.06
[12:53] <fent> ok yeah try that ... it could solve your problem ;)
[12:54] <hokkos_> hello
[12:54] <ubuntu_> ok thanx
[12:54] <fent> np
[12:54] <ubuntu_> great distro btw
[12:54] <ubuntu_> love it
[12:54] <sokuban> I can't mount it, I can see the disk it gives me the error 'mount: can't find /dev/hda1 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab please check that the device is plugged correctly'
[12:54] <Rawr> so, I'd assume that anti virii are not really needed for linux?
[12:54] <eqisow> not really rawr
[12:55] <Rawr> didn't think :P
[12:55] <eqisow> unless you want to scan your windows partition for viruses ;)
[12:55] <hokkos_> why when i compile with 2 different GCC i ve got errors for the 4.0 and no error for the other ?
[12:55] <Rawr> well I'm just going to wipe it all, and do VMWare
[12:55] <hokkos_> the 4.0 is less permissive ?
[12:55] <RandomDude15> I need serious help.
[12:56] <Rawr> whats your opinion on VMWare?
[12:56] <RandomDude15> I upgraded to Kubuntu 6.06
[12:56] <RandomDude15> vmwares ok
[12:56] <eqisow> mine? never used it
[12:56] <RandomDude15> I cant get into my system
[12:56] <RandomDude15> on Kubuntu 6.06
[12:56] <Flame> What exactly is VMWare?
[12:56] <eqisow> random, do you get any kind of error message?
[12:56] <fent> RandomDude15: i reccommend a key or a hammer ;)
[12:56] <linuxmonkey> Flame:  vmware= virtual machines
[12:56] <jbirdAngel> how do i change kde's html file association?
[12:57] <Flame> Ahh
[12:57] <chrome_it> yonkeltron: I'm using kernel for i386 and suspend to disk works too
[12:57] <chrome_it> :-O
[12:57] <RandomDude15> internet isnt working
[12:57] <RandomDude15> and neither is X
[12:57] <RandomDude15> or postfix
[12:57] <chrome_it> I receive this message: [4303113.066000]  ReiserFS: sda4: warning: clm-6006: writing inode 80643 on readonly FS
[12:57] <RandomDude15> and i cant do anything without those
[12:57] <linuxmonkey> Flame:  allows you to run windows and other os'es in virtual machines,
[12:57] <eqisow> internet not working, eh?
[12:57] <UzzaDead> can someone help me with fixing a resolution problem in KDM?
[12:57] <tyfon_> sokuban: you can mount it manually via konsole or add it to fstab, for manual mount it is: mount -t fat /dev/hda1 /place/you/want/it
[12:57] <RandomDude15> everything worked before I upgraded
[12:57] <Flame> Ahh ok. So thats what they are ^^
[12:58] <Rawr> Do you have to re install the other OS every time you use VMware?
[12:58] <chrome_it> UzzaDead: what's the problem?
[12:58] <eqisow> is there any kind of error with X?
[12:58] <UzzaDead> chrome_it, im not actually sure other than on the login screen its obviously not the correct resolution requiring me to scroll the screen around with the mouse but when it hits the desktop loading/desktop all is well
[12:58] <zak> I have firefox downloaded, and extracted to a directory but how do I use it (I'm really new to Linux)
[12:58] <RandomDude15> guys I really need help
[12:59] <tyfon_> Rawr: you get a virtual hard drive as a file in linux that vmware uses
[12:59] <RandomDude15> internet, postfix, and X11 dead
[12:59] <Rawr> Do you have to re install the other OS every time you use VMware?
[12:59] <Rawr> oh
[12:59] <RandomDude15> no
[12:59] <UzzaDead> zak use adept and it will install and configure it for you
[12:59] <tyfon_> so its just like a pc in a window
[12:59] <RandomDude15> yes
[12:59] <yonkeltron> chrome_it: hibernate works ok. suspend doesn't
[12:59] <chrome_it> yonkeltron: what version of kernel are you using?
[12:59] <Rawr> Oh, okay. You'll still have access to the stuff on the linux area thru windows on vmware?
[12:59] <RandomDude15> I upgraded all my sources
[12:59] <RandomDude15> guys
[01:00] <RandomDude15> even the CD
[01:00] <RandomDude15> and ran apt-get dist-upgrade in the terminal
[01:00] <tyfon_> Rawr: you can set up samba and share files between them
[01:00] <sokuban> it gave me the error 'mount: only root can do that'
[01:00] <tyfon_> Rawr: can be done in k-menu->system settings
[01:00] <yonkeltron> chrome_it: 2.6.15-23-686
[01:00] <zak> I tried to do that and it keeps locking asking for the CD, and I happen to not have the CD anymore
[01:00] <RandomDude15> GUYS I NEED SOME HELP HERE
[01:00] <Flame> ..?
[01:00] <yonkeltron> chrome_it: but it doesn't work with the 386 kernel either
[01:00] <Rawr> tyfon: you can also install windows apps in VMware, ON the virtual harddrive?
[01:01] <UzzaDead> RandomDude15, what is it?
[01:01] <fent> RandomDude15: no neeed to yell man, we're all in here for help
[01:01] <Flame> Help with what?
[01:01] <yonkeltron> RandomDude15: deep breaths
[01:01] <tyfon_> Rawr: yes it will be like windows in a window :)
[01:01] <tyfon_> with real hard drive
[01:01] <tyfon_> but a bit slower
[01:01] <Flame> I'm nub...but God alone knows I've been thru this install process at least 10 times now :P
[01:01] <fent> tyfon_ : now that seems right a window within a window
[01:01] <UzzaDead> tyfon_, with all the original crappy windows problems and more dont forget :)
[01:01] <tyfon_> yes
[01:01] <tyfon_> :p
[01:01] <fent> Flame: i'm working on x^x time it seems ;)
[01:01] <RandomDude15> i dont know what went wrong in my upgrade
[01:01] <Flame> hehe :D
[01:02] <chrome_it> yonkeltron: with i686 pre-compiled kernel can you set perfomance profiles?
[01:02] <Rawr> tyfon: will this effect games that are on the VMWare virtual drive, their performance?
[01:02] <Flame> Well I bet youve had it longer than 3 days, eh? xD
[01:02] <UzzaDead> Rawr, yes
[01:02] <chrome_it> I readed something about a bug
[01:02] <fent> Flame: though i'm getting faster and faster each time
[01:02] <fent> hahah
[01:02] <TheHighChild> dist-upgrade killed my system too, brothers as well.
[01:02] <Flame> haha
[01:02] <tyfon_> Rawr: i have not tested games in vmware, but probably yes
[01:02] <JohnFlux> TheHighChild: what about sisters
[01:02] <Rawr> Uzza: how badly?
[01:02] <TheHighChild> She could never use tux
[01:02] <Flame> Heh
[01:02] <RandomDude15> TheHighChild - what did you do?
[01:02] <UzzaDead> dos and early games 95,98 should be ok but anything intensive is gonna be crap
[01:03] <fent> Rawr: My experience with vmware is that it will be a bit slower with game then again i didnt try anything like oblivion...
[01:03] <Rawr> well, I'm just concerned about CS 1.6 and Guild wars.
[01:03] <UzzaDead> fent i wonder if i can get quake 4 going in vmware :)
[01:03] <Flame> Heh
[01:03] <tyfon_> Rawr: you can also run kubuntu in vmware on windows to test it
[01:03] <Flame> GW...based on how this has gone so far, that falls under the "Good luck" part.
[01:03] <TheHighChild> Randomdude: What I did? Ugh, I moved everything to the /home and reinstalled in the /. I would not suggest that though if these folks can help. I just don't care much. i like to test this stuff out more than use it ;)
[01:03] <UzzaDead> Rawr, i'd bet thats gonna run like crap
[01:03] <fent> that might be possiable UzzaDead...though doesn't Q4 have a native unix install?
[01:03] <Flame> Yeah.
[01:03] <UzzaDead> fent yeah i was just being strange :)
[01:04] <fent> heh
[01:04] <Flame> CS..maybe -passable-
[01:04] <fent> its cool
[01:04] <Rawr> tyfon: I'm going to use the Live! cd.
[01:04] <andre_> Hello
[01:04] <RandomDude15> well thehighchild postfix, internet, and X were all dead right and you couldnt do anything?
[01:04] <UzzaDead> Rawr, live cd and vmware=bad
[01:04] <fent> CaDega can run cs and if i'm not brain freezing (cursed ice cream) guildwars too
[01:04] <RandomDude15> yeah I agree UzzaDead
[01:04] <tyfon_> yeah vmware will be when you get it installed
[01:04] <Rawr> Well I'm just doing live to see if I like it before i wipe and go to kub.
[01:04] <UzzaDead> fent isnt it cedega?
[01:05] <Flame> Cedega*
[01:05] <Rawr> What is WINE? What does it do?
[01:05] <UzzaDead> its a windows/x86 emulator like vmware
[01:05] <visik7> Rawr: wine convert windows api in linux calls
[01:05] <visik7> no
[01:05] <visik7> wine is not like vmware
[01:05] <fent> thanks Flame, i was wondering why i never went 2 rounds in the spelling bee ;)
[01:05] <Flame> Although I bet Cadega in its non-existence might still be better than WINE...<_<
[01:05] <Flame> Lol
[01:05] <UzzaDead> visik7, they do pretty much the same thing in the end
[01:05] <visik7> UzzaDead: not exactly
[01:05] <UzzaDead> allowing you to run windoze software on linux :)
[01:05] <tyfon_> vmware emulates the machine, vmware emulates windows.. sort of :p
[01:06] <visik7> wine doesn't load an enteir operating system
[01:06] <tyfon_> but wine stands for "wine is not an emulator"
[01:06] <fent> its almost like a runtime layer....i think
[01:06] <Flame> LOL.
[01:06] <UzzaDead> true..
[01:06] <Flame> I would be inclined to agree with tyfon_...
[01:06] <UzzaDead> im still pretty noobish :)
[01:06] <Rawr> wine will work for ANY windows programs? I'm going to use wine if it willl...
[01:06] <Flame> Same...but Im noobier! ^^
[01:06] <Flame> No. Not any.
[01:06] <visik7> Rawr: no
[01:06] <sokuban> I tried 'mount -t fat /dev/hdai /hdd2' and it gave me the error 'mount: only root can do that'
[01:06] <Rawr> Most?
[01:06] <fent> win will work for a good portion
[01:06] <TheHighChild> RandomDude: My issue was with X and DHCP in general. i couldn't get an IP, nor get into the GUI. I booted up with Knoppix and moved all my important stuffs to the /home parition on my drive and reinstalled in the / and moved everything back after a reinstall. I do not suggest that.
[01:06] <Flame> Believe me...some are more a "Hellz no"
[01:06] <Flame> Try..."The most popular"
[01:06] <visik7> Rawr: which program do you want to run ?
[01:06] <Flame> If its obscure...good luck.
[01:06] <UzzaDead> Flame, i cant even listen to MP3's and i have to scroll around my login screen to log into my user, top that
[01:07] <Rawr> well, once again, I'm concerned about Steam, guild wars, and firefox...
[01:07] <RandomDude15> Hey Cracker.
[01:07] <Flame> Well...Im not sure what you mean by the second...but the first..Im just too scared to even try ;)
[01:07] <Flame> Lol
[01:07] <UzzaDead> Rawr, i'd recommend compiling cedega from source,buying it or vmware
[01:07] <Flame> :D
[01:07] <kbrooks_> hi. :-)
[01:07] <tyfon_> firefox is linux native app ;)
[01:07] <Cracker01> hi
[01:07] <kbrooks_> you suck.
[01:07] <kbrooks_> j/k
[01:07] <Cracker01> so do you
[01:07] <Cracker01> j/k
[01:07] <Qrawl> Does Kubuntu have a C-compiler built into it that you run from command line?
[01:07] <Rawr> What is Cedega, and how co I compile it?
[01:07] <tyfon_> Qrawl: gcc
[01:07] <Flame> Rawr: Firefox...why dont you just run it off of KDE..?
[01:07] <visik7> Qrawl: apt-get install build-essential
[01:08] <Qrawl> ok ty
[01:08] <Rawr> flame: didn't know it was native.
[01:08] <Flame> Steam people have said works. GW...maybe.
[01:08] <RandomDude15> Ok
[01:08] <Flame> It works.
[01:08] <Flame> :)
[01:08] <RandomDude15> does anyone know what to do?
[01:08] <fent> Cedega is commercial directx inturrupreting software imo
[01:08] <RandomDude15> with my issue?
[01:08] <UzzaDead> Flame, imagine a huge page more than you can see right in front of your face so you have to move the page around to get to the info you want, thats my login screen
[01:08] <RandomDude15> i cant get into my system
[01:08] <Flame> LOL.
[01:08] <Flame> Ok...you got me there.
[01:08] <Flame> But we're tied on the Mp3 part ;)
[01:08] <UzzaDead> i have sound, sorta
[01:08] <Flame> Hmm
[01:08] <RandomDude15> I upgraded to Kubuntu 6.06 from Kubuntu 5.10 using dist-upgrade and i dont want to go through the install again
[01:08] <UzzaDead> RandomDude15, tried a recovery boot?
[01:08] <RandomDude15> yes I did
[01:08] <UzzaDead> hmm..
[01:08] <Flame> I dont, but I havent tried either...so its kinda a moot point
[01:08] <yonkeltron> chrome_it: dunno
[01:09] <tyfon_> there should be some "i want to switch from window, how" page somewhere.. if there isnt already
[01:09] <Rawr> What is Cedega, and how co I compile it?
[01:09] <Flame> LOL.
[01:09] <dusty> ?
[01:09] <UzzaDead> Rawr,  it lets you play windoze games on linux
[01:09] <Flame> Im prett sure that falls under the category of any religious text...
[01:09] <UzzaDead> as for compiling it thats beyond my experience
[01:09] <Flame> pretty*
[01:09] <Flame> Rawr, the LOL wasnt to you :P
[01:09] <Cracker02> Cracker you there?
[01:09] <Flame> Cedega...can be downloaded, cant it?
[01:09] <TheHighChild> Honestly RandomDude/Cracker02. The only game you need is Enemy Territory andit runs natively. Check it out
[01:09] <Cracker01> yeah
[01:10] <Flame> O.o
[01:10] <UzzaDead> Flame, from less than reputable channels yes
[01:10] <Cracker01> hi my evil twin
[01:10] <Cracker02> im not looking for any game
[01:10] <Flame> Enemy Territory...as in..Wolfenstein Enemy Terr?
[01:10] <tristanmike> Rawr: Cedega is the "pay-for" front end to Wine, which allows you to run windows apps (games in this case) and you don't compile it, you pay a monthly subscription to it
[01:10] <Rawr> ahh I'm so confused, xD
[01:10] <TheHighChild> oops, wrong guys, sorry
[01:10] <Flame> Ahh ok ;D
[01:10] <linuxmonkey> flame it cost 5$USD/month wich is worth it
[01:10] <james> is there a repository where Opera can be found?
[01:10] <ssin> hi
[01:10] <Rawr> Ohh, I really don't wanna have to pay to play my games..thats soo retarded >.<
[01:10] <ssin> anyone master of eclise?
[01:10] <ssin> eclipse
[01:10] <tristanmike> Rawr: you don't
[01:10] <UzzaDead> im thinking my problems stem from using the AMD 64 version instead of the x86
[01:10] <Flame> Hm. I dunno...Im gonna have to be lazy on this one and say there might be more value to just learning about the OS rather than messing with games anymore :P
[01:10] <Cracker01> you fuckers are no help
[01:11] <Cracker01> j/k
[01:11] <TheHighChild> deb http://deb.opera.com/opera/ etch non-free
[01:11] <Flame> Lawl
[01:11] <tristanmike> Rawr: you can use Wine, it's open source, Cedega is the Front-end (buttons and windows) to winex
[01:11] <Rawr> Is there any way to get cedega free?
[01:11] <UzzaDead> thats cause most of us are noobs :P
[01:11] <Flame> haha
[01:11] <tristanmike> Rawr: where there's a will there's a way ;)
[01:11] <james> TheHighChild: ty
[01:11] <TheHighChild> np
[01:11] <Flame> But as I have learned in the past couple days...if you hang around in here long enough...by God you'll figure it out ;)
[01:11] <tristanmike> Rawr: nothing legit
[01:11] <UzzaDead> Rawr,  how far are you from cedega's HQ's and how good are you with your mouth? lol
[01:11] <Flame> heh
[01:11] <Rawr> i dunno where is cedega's HQ? XDD
[01:11] <Flame> You can get it free. Illegit. That about some it up? :D
[01:12] <UzzaDead> Flame,  yeah
[01:12] <TheHighChild> Ok folks, here's how much of a newb I am. What do the messages in Red mean? lol
[01:12] <fent> Rawr: you can but ..... ::::evil music:::: people will hunt you down and demand money for thir music..err software
[01:12] <Flame> Lol
[01:12] <supervisor> why is my internet slow on (k)ubuntu ? intel onboard
[01:12] <Flame> Messages in red in this window?
[01:12] <TheHighChild> yeah
[01:12] <Flame> Theyre the ones with your name in them.
[01:12] <UzzaDead> it means your name was highlighted TheHighChild
[01:12] <fent> supervisor: stop the porn ;)
[01:12] <Flame> In red so that its easier to see.
[01:12] <Flame> :)
[01:12] <azathoth> in the last 3 days i've had 2094 serious attacks registered on firestarter... is there anything i can do to lower this? or do i simply do nothing?
[01:12] <TheHighChild> buttsecks?
[01:12] <supervisor> ahaha , to early for porn
[01:12] <TheHighChild> ok, that didn't work
[01:12] <Flame> And so that with like 50 convos going on, you dont get lost :P
[01:12] <Cracker01> gross, porn's nasty
[01:12] <Flame> Firestarter...wazzat? /Newb again. ^_^
[01:12] <UzzaDead> azathoth, pray and if you dont pray, start
[01:12] <UzzaDead> Flame,  firewall
[01:12] <Cracker01> you nasty fuckers
[01:12] <Flame> Ahh
[01:13] <Flame> Where from?
[01:13] <Flame> O.o
[01:13] <fent> pray looks to be a sweeeeeet mo fo in' game
[01:13] <Flame> And...would you recommend it? :P
[01:13] <Flame> Lol
[01:13] <james> man why can't i copy in Konversation
[01:13] <XVampireX> I know it's off-topic, but please... this is hillarious and deserves to be known by as many people as possible: http://www.gnu.org/fun/jokes/microsoft-church.html
[01:13] <james> geesh
[01:13] <fent> i heard shorewall was pretty good
[01:13] <UzzaDead> i dont run a firewall and i irc as root </sarcsasm>
[01:13] <Flame> o.o
[01:13] <Flame> :D
[01:13] <azathoth> UzzaDead: why? they are being blocked by firestarter...
[01:13] <azathoth> i just don't like seeing such high numbers
[01:13] <Flame> Well, I got the update system to work a couple hours ago and been fighting the Adept system ever since.
[01:13] <UzzaDead> azathoth, so they continue to be blocked lol
[01:13] <Flame> So Im newby ^^
[01:13] <Flame> LOL.
[01:14] <fent> yeah i hate it when my bank account has high numbers too
[01:14] <azathoth> and there are specific ips doing it aswell, is there any way i can blacklist them?
[01:14] <supervisor> uhm, i was using easyubuntu, but its now outputing some garbage in the log window...
[01:14] <UzzaDead> Flame, adept craps itself randomly for me
[01:14] <Flame> Yeah =/
[01:14] <fent> there is a list for p2p protection that would be a good start i would think
[01:14] <kbrooks_> supervisor: there are a few bugs
[01:14] <Flame> And now I have to open it again and look for firestarter...lol
[01:14] <kbrooks_> supervisor: on that
[01:14] <supervisor> should i restart it?
[01:14] <UzzaDead> its probably a bunch of windows scriptnubbies trying to omfghax0r you
[01:14] <UzzaDead> not much to worry about
[01:14] <Rawr> so, to be specific, without creating a new partition for Linux, will I have to trash all my files right now?
[01:15] <UzzaDead> Rawr,  for what?
[01:15] <dracflamloc> hi folks. is there a way to background the "configuring network interfaces" part of bootup?
[01:15] <zak> Ok, so I have firefox extracted to a directory but what command do I use to install the package?
[01:15] <fent> Rawr: i dont think so i think you can reconfigure the partition with the 6.06 installer
[01:15] <TheHighChild> You can ctrl + c during the startup
[01:15] <UzzaDead> zak, grab it from adept
[01:15] <Flame> Zak: Its easier if you just sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox
[01:15] <Flame> :D
[01:15] <azathoth> UzzaDead: yeah, they are going for port 445 and 500 alot
[01:15] <Flame> AND you avoid adept. :O
[01:15] <fent> Rawr: at least that what i gatherd from my install
[01:15] <dracflamloc> TheHighChild: any way to just auto do it??
[01:15] <Rawr> to switch from windows to linux, WITHOUT making a partition, will I have to format?
[01:15] <azathoth> and 135... lots of anti-windows ports
[01:15] <supervisor> kbrooks_ should i restart it... ?
[01:16] <Flame> heh
[01:16] <fent> without makin patitions i dont know how you'll achive any installs
[01:16] <Rawr> I only want to run one partition.
[01:16] <dracflamloc> TheHighChild: wouldnt ctrl-c stop it altogether?'
[01:16] <UzzaDead> azathoth, im not familiar with firestarter so i cant advise you much, usually every firewall has a "blacklist" feature so you've probably just not found it
[01:16] <fent> you could pray for them
[01:16] <kbrooks_> supervisor: no. what package?
[01:16] <Flame> Lol
[01:16] <supervisor> easyubuntu
[01:16] <kbrooks_> supervisor: i mean, what did u install
[01:16] <Rawr> well, any EXTRA partitions, fent. I prefer to run a single partition.
[01:16] <zak> Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock
[01:16] <kbrooks_> UzzaDead: firestarter isnt a firewall
[01:16] <Flame> Know what I hate? Im always confusing passwords...
[01:17] <Flame> so I always get pwnt trying to do things -.-
[01:17] <Qrawl> Flame, dont you use Wallet
[01:17] <UzzaDead> kbrooks_, i was under the impression it was
[01:17] <Flame> Not as much as I should.
[01:17] <supervisor> kbrooks_ it garbaged at: Get:59 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com dapper/universe xfonts-intl-european ... error... error.. extracting templates... error
[01:17] <Flame> It annoying me early on >.>
[01:17] <Flame> lol
[01:17] <Flame> annoyed*
[01:17] <UzzaDead> Flame, learn to curse :)
[01:17] <UzzaDead> cursing and linux go together like kids and candy
[01:17] <Flame> Wtf...
[01:17] <kbrooks_> UzzaDead: iptables is included
[01:17] <Rawr> fent
[01:18] <Flame> Its telling me I have the wrong root pw.
[01:18] <fent> Rawr: from my experience having multipl patitions makes life easier.  1 for boot. 1 for swap, 1 for *nix, and one for windows
[01:18] <Flame> No I assure I do NOT have the wrong root pw -.-;;
[01:18] <UzzaDead> Flame,  have you SET the root password?
[01:18] <Flame> Actually
[01:18] <kbrooks_> Flame: **** off :-)
[01:18] <Flame> I might not have.
[01:18] <Flame> Where do I set it?
[01:18] <fent> flame: i was never asked for a root passwd during the install
[01:18] <Rawr> uhhhhh..confused now...what does all that stuff do?
[01:18] <TheHighChild> sudo passwd root
[01:18] <UzzaDead> yep.. what TheHighChild said
[01:18] <Flame> I was about to say "Where do I" and then he said **** off and I thought about double meanings and whatnot
[01:18] <Flame> :P
[01:18] <Rawr> what is swap o.o
[01:19] <UzzaDead> Rawr, its temporary working space
[01:19] <BanskuZ> Swap is "virtual ram"
[01:19] <fent> the boot partition makes sure that you have a way to boot.  you need swap its mandatory ;), and the patition for / is your system
[01:19] <Rawr> soo I have to have more than one?
[01:19] <Flame> Umm
[01:19] <fent> yeah
[01:19] <Flame> More than 1 swap?
[01:19] <Rawr> Ughhh, I'm realllly confused...
[01:19] <fent> heh
[01:19] <Flame> You need 1 swap.
[01:19] <Flame> And 1 boot.
[01:19] <fent> its ok Rawr
[01:19] <Flame> And then leave the rest as whatever.
[01:20] <Rawr> someone walk me thru this on aim, or msn, or private chat?
[01:20] <Flame> Partitioning?
[01:20] <Rawr> and what they're needed for and what not
[01:20] <Rawr> yeah
[01:21] <Ze_M> anyone using kde-3.5.3?
[01:21] <james> TheHighChild: i added that repository to adept, but when i selected to install it, it said 'BREAK'......... what does that mean?
[01:21] <kronoz> Ze_M: yeah
[01:21] <Ze_M> is there any problem about mount usb devices?
[01:22] <godzero> Rawr: swap is whare you tore programs and information that won't fit in your current amount of RAM
[01:22] <james> TheHighChild: when i selected to install Opera, i mean
[01:22] <UzzaDead> i have 2gb of ram, i've not run into the problem yet
[01:22] <Rawr> Okay, so let me get this straight : I need TWO partitions. One for swap, which is like RAM, and then one for boot, which will actually STORE the files/
[01:22] <UzzaDead> i wonder if i could eliminate swap..
[01:23] <UzzaDead> Rawr, thats all you NEED
[01:23] <UzzaDead> but im no expert on partitioning
[01:23] <Rawr> Does Linux automatically partition?
[01:23] <james> where can i get xlib6g 3.3??
[01:23] <fent> it can
[01:24] <TheHighChild> james: It means that it will break something that you already have. Some dependencies are messed up
[01:24] <Flame> It cant.
[01:24] <Flame> can****
[01:24] <Flame> But
[01:24] <Flame> If you have a second partition
[01:24] <TheHighChild> james: you could force it but that wouldn't a good idea
[01:24] <Flame> With files saved on it
[01:24] <Flame> Youre causing yourself a hassle.
[01:24] <Flame> Might as well do it yourself.
[01:24] <Ze_M> does anyone know if there is any problem about mounting usb devices using kde-3.5.3?
[01:24] <Rawr> can I get it to overwrite JUST windows?
[01:25] <Flame> Umm
[01:25] <james> TheHighChild: hmmm.... i just did a fresh install about 1 hour ago... all i have done since is run easyubuntu... should i really have conflicts already?
[01:25] <Flame> What partitions do you have?
[01:25] <Rawr> one.
[01:25] <Rawr> just C: for windows.
[01:25] <TheHighChild> james: No idea what easyubuntu is. honestly, I got Opera through Automatix and pulled the repo for you from there
[01:25] <Rawr> well, I'm probably going to reformat anyways...will Linux do that and partition the drive, or will I have to do extra crap?
[01:25] <fent> it does it all ;)
[01:25] <james> TheHighChild: what is automatix?
[01:26] <TheHighChild> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=177646
[01:26] <Rawr> good....how is network sharing over linux to windows?
[01:26] <TheHighChild> That is Automatix and it barrels
[01:26] <fent> Rawr: you can blow the drive out with the installer, and set up your partitions for windows. though i'm not sure which order to install them in
[01:26] <theine> !automatix
[01:26] <ubotu> it has been said that automatix is a piece of cr*p that wrecks your system. DO NOT use it
[01:26] <TheHighChild> Just read about it before you use it
[01:26] <godzero> Rawr: yes.. one (/) to store the programs while you machine is off. (swap) stores the progams and info you are currently using that doesn't fit in ram. Suppose you have 128 MB ram. Suppose you load 130 MB programs plus data. You don't want to crash, so you "swp" out the data into a know storage area.
[01:26] <theine> !easyubuntu
[01:26] <ubotu> it has been said that easyubuntu is an easy-to-use program for installing all your favorites. Java, Nvidia/ATI, and more. Site:  http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/.  Channel: #easyubuntu
[01:26] <Flame> :D
[01:26] <Flame> Ehh.
[01:26] <Flame> I tried easybuntu.
[01:26] <TheHighChild> James: no problems with it here on 1386 6.06 or x86_64 6.06
[01:26] <Flame> And ubuntu.
[01:27] <Rawr> ahh, noow i get it. thanks godzero.
[01:27] <fent> kde is so shiney though
[01:27] <Flame> And Kubuntu. And Kubuntu winz. :P
[01:27] <Rawr> will a network with 1 linux and 1 windows pc be able to share files between eachother?
[01:27] <Flame> The Samba fileserver thingy...
[01:27] <fent> will let that happen
[01:27] <Flame> :)
[01:27] <Flame> I was kinda trailing off in the hope that someone with more knowledge would step in :D
[01:27] <Rawr> is irc native to linux, also?>
[01:28] <Flame> lol
[01:28] <Flame> Yes
[01:28] <Flame> XChat
[01:28] <Rawr> cool =D
[01:28] <Flame> Or konversation
[01:28] <Flame> :)
[01:28] <Rawr> how about Polaris?
[01:28] <fent> kopete is pretty nice
[01:28] <fent> for aim
[01:28] <Flame> (In either Gnome or KDE)
[01:28] <Flame> Yeah...Im starting to like Kopete ^^
[01:28] <fent> i used it for 10 mins before my usb mouse died
[01:28] <Flame> polaris...
[01:28] <Rawr> its an irc script
[01:28] <fent> i ned to find skins for it
[01:28] <Flame> If I had ever used it, I could tell you.
[01:28] <Flame> Lol
[01:29] <Rawr> hmph.
[01:29] <Flame> Wait..
[01:29] <Rawr> is WINE complicated to use?
[01:29] <Flame> "Polaris," a PowerPC port of OpenSolaris
[01:29] <Flame> That Polaris?
[01:29] <Flame> Its not complicated to use. But youll hate it.
[01:29] <Rawr> no, its just a modded MIRC.
[01:30] <Rawr> well I don't feel like paying 5$ a month for cedega.
[01:30] <Flame> Did you think Windows was a PITA quite often?
[01:30] <james> TheHighChild: wow i get a file not found error with automatix
[01:30] <Rawr> not really, no..except for the occasional super lagout.
[01:30] <judgen> Rawr no
[01:30] <Flame> Ok. Then you might be able to put up with it...just barely though.
[01:31] <Flame> Think Windows. But ten times as likely to make you angry.
[01:31] <Rawr> what makes it so complicated to use?
[01:31] <Flame> If not a hundred >.<
[01:31] <Flame> Nothing. Its just...irritating. lol. Its hard to describe if you havent used it >.<
[01:31] <TheHighChild> James: They are releasing a new one today because some of the repositories changed their structure. new one was posted on #Automatix but probably hasn't made it to the forums yet
[01:31] <Flame> Lemme phrase it like this
[01:31] <Flame> A few minutes ago
[01:31] <Flame> Someone in here said
[01:31] <tyfon_> Rawr: you can read up on wine here: http://www.winehq.com/
[01:31] <judgen> Flame but in wine you can atleast play most old games, wich you cant in vista as they ellimintaed page-plipping in vista
[01:31] <Flame> "WINE stands for Windows Is Not Emulated"
[01:32] <Flame> That about sums it up.
[01:32] <Flame> xD
[01:32] <Rawr> its actually wine is not an emulator.
[01:32] <Rawr> xD
[01:32] <Rawr> but uh, is it just a command line, and tell it to run the EXE?
[01:32] <judgen> Flame read the site again  wine stands for "wine is not an emulator"
[01:32] <Flame> yeah, but that variant is better :O
[01:32] <Flame> PLUS it doesnt use extra words
[01:32] <Flame> :P
[01:32] <Rawr> like, give it the path the exe?
[01:32] <Flame> Which should count as cheating anyways <_<
[01:33] <Rawr> hm...well, if wine doesn't work I'll resort to VMWare =D
[01:33] <Flame> lol
[01:33] <judgen> to use wine you can run it (some apps need root to create stuff for some reason) sudo wine /path/binary.exe
[01:33] <Rawr> uhhh...
[01:33] <Rawr> what? XD
[01:33] <judgen> cli
[01:34] <Flame> Type in sudo wine /path/binary.exe to run Wine is what he said >.>
[01:34] <Rawr> ah okay.
[01:34] <Rawr> oh, CD burning for linux..Does it work? and how about my video card drivers? but I'd expect a native linux ver for that.
[01:35] <judgen> Rawr yes cdburning works perfectly
[01:35] <Flame> Yes CD burning works.
[01:35] <Flame> As to whether vid card drivers work...I defer to whoever has any idea.
[01:35] <judgen> as well as dvd and most other formats too
[01:35] <judgen> Most cards has 2d+2d accel
[01:35] <judgen> if you want hwopengl and dri i would recomend ati or nvidia
[01:35] <Rawr> well, my card has native linux drivers, so I'm good there.
[01:36] <TheHighChild> Anyone know, off hand, how to install grab to another disk without touching the MBR?
[01:36] <Rawr> I run ati 9800 pro =D
[01:36] <Flame> grub*
[01:36] <judgen> Rawr do you have fglrx installed?
[01:36] <TheHighChild> Rawr, you can get drivers for that
[01:36] <Flame> And as to how, not me-sa...sorry.
[01:36] <tyfon_> Rawr: works fine but might not work accelerated on livecd
[01:36] <Rawr> I know I can, ati gives native drivers for it.
[01:37] <tyfon_> yeah i have same card :)
[01:37] <Qrawl> tj9991, 23 more minutes
[01:37] <judgen> if you want good perfornamce in games like call of duty, make sure you use fglrx and not ati or radeon
[01:37] <judgen> driver
[01:37] <tj9991> until?
[01:37] <Flame> O.o
[01:37] <Qrawl> 6-6-6
[01:37] <Rawr> fglrx?
[01:37] <TheHighChild> They aren't native. They are the same as the windows driver. All ATI provides is an application layer to work with them
[01:37] <tj9991> not for me
[01:37] <Flame> The end of the world..duh
[01:37] <godzero> anyone having luck with the new fglrx driver?
[01:37] <Flame> ;P
[01:37] <Rawr> whats FGLRX?
[01:37] <tj9991> 7 hours 23 minutes left for me
[01:37] <tyfon_> Rawr: its ati's own driver
[01:37] <Qrawl> For everyone.  6-6-6 uises Greenwich 'Mean' Time
[01:37] <judgen> Rawr fglrx is the binary driver available on atis homepage
[01:37] <Flame> Eh. 5 hours.
[01:38] <tj9991> might as well go rob a bank while i can
[01:38] <judgen> but its also provided in universe
[01:38] <godzero> fglrx (current) = death for me
[01:38] <judgen> godzero dont work for you?
[01:38] <godzero> nope
[01:38] <judgen> what card??
[01:38] <godzero> \big nope
[01:38] <godzero> 9200se pci
[01:39] <Flame> O.o
[01:39] <judgen> lol, fglrx is only supposed to support r300 and onwards
[01:39] <judgen> so 9200 (with is a 200 derriative) wont worj
[01:39] <Rawr> akrught then, I really support your help guys =D
[01:39] <Flame> heh
[01:39] <Flame> Enjoy ;P
[01:39] <godzero> always supported 8500+ as far as I know
[01:39] <Rawr> err, appreciate. xD
[01:39] <Flame> xD
[01:39] <DrBair> where have the xmodmap files gone?
[01:39] <Rawr> I'm having my dad burn the Live! cd now =D
[01:40] <Flame> Heheheh
[01:40] <judgen> godzero also, there can be a vendor id or device id in fglrx that isnt supported
[01:40] <DrBair> I swore they were in /usr/share/xmodmap, but the directory ran away
[01:40] <Flame> In the past 4 days, Ive gone thru...4 distros =/
[01:40] <judgen> godzero that is easily fixed with an hex editor
[01:40] <Flame> I have LiveCD's lying everywhere :(
[01:40] <godzero> judgen: good idea
[01:40] <Flame> Curious
[01:40] <Flame> How many of you game under Kubuntu?
[01:41] <Rawr> cricket cricket
[01:41] <Flame> And yes, I mean more than just Solitaire >.>
[01:41] <Rawr> XD
[01:41] <DrBair> Flame: I've been known to play Quake4 occassionally
[01:41] <judgen> Flame when you start using dpkg there aint no going back =)
[01:41] <Flame> :O
[01:41] <Flame> dpkg?
[01:41] <godzero> me 10% or less of the time. but i enjoy it
[01:41] <zblach> once upon a time, i played nwn through kubuntu
[01:41] <judgen> Flame i do
[01:41] <Flame> Remember Im still nubby ^^
[01:41] <Rawr> Bair: How do you use that? Wine, Cedega, VMWare?
[01:41] <tyfon_> i play nwn sometimes
[01:41] <Flame> Whats dpkg..?
[01:41] <judgen> Flame dpkg is the packagemanagers format for all debian clones.
[01:42] <DrBair> Rawr: ID makes a native linux client for all their games anymore
[01:42] <godzero> dpkg = debiam package
[01:42] <godzero> debian
[01:42] <Rawr> oh, ookay.
[01:42] <tyfon_> nwn is native linux too
[01:42] <Rawr> whats nwn?
[01:42] <tyfon_> neverwinter nights
[01:42] <judgen> and baldurs gate, if you can find the binary
[01:42] <godzero> debian is something worth getting to know
[01:42] <Rawr> oh.
[01:42] <Flame> ahh k
[01:42] <Flame> heh
[01:42] <Flame> I tried to install Debian >.>
[01:42] <Rawr> have you guys heard of this, instlux?
[01:43] <judgen> also Guild Wars works perfectly in kubuntu, have played it all night long
[01:43] <godzero> baulders was great
[01:43] <Flame> O.o
[01:43] <Flame> instlux?
[01:43] <judgen> never even got the usual error 007 that i get in windows
[01:43] <Flame> No, never. But Im nub.
[01:43] <Rawr> oh, sweed judg =D is that also native?
[01:43] <DrBair> so uh.... about those xmodmap files. Anyone know where they are?
[01:43] <Flame> I told you if you waited long enough youd find someone who could tell you more ;)
[01:43] <judgen> Flame ubuntu and kubuntu is debian based in packaging too
[01:43] <Flame> xD
[01:43] <Flame> Yeah
[01:43] <Flame> But I wanted to try the actual Debian distro.
[01:43] <godzero> I tried to install Debian .. yay.. not easy for noobs (no insult)
[01:44] <judgen> Rawr no gw is through wine
[01:44] <Flame> Which...4 installs and 8 hours later...nada. Lol.
[01:44] <judgen> Rawr i strangely enough have better performance in games in linux+ wine than in windows
[01:44] <Flame> I got it going, but eh. I much prefer this. :)
[01:44] <godzero> deb kicked my butt too
[01:44] <Flame> lol
[01:44] <Rawr> Judge, is that native? or do you use WINE for it?
[01:44] <Flame> Some of the questions for install
[01:44] <judgen> wine
[01:44] <Flame> I would read and be like "Since when does this even EXIST?!"
[01:44] <Flame> >.>
[01:45] <Rawr> oh. will GW let you still install it even on linux?
[01:45] <Rawr> because a lot of games check OS to make sure its compatable -.-
[01:45] <Flame> Uhh...
[01:45] <judgen> Rawr dont know, have a fat partition from way back that i use, the online upgrades of the gw.dat file works anyways
[01:45] <Flame> Well if he played it >.>
[01:45] <Flame> Ahh
[01:45] <Flame> Lol
[01:45] <judgen> never installed it in linux, but plays perfectly
[01:45] <Flame> In that case
[01:45] <godzero> judgen: how about   america's army, or quake 3? those are the class I played... and simillar in speed
[01:46] <Flame> Install it BEFORE you put that LiveCD in ;)
[01:46] <Flame> Lol
[01:46] <judgen> godzero i seem to have better peformance in q3 native than in windows native though
[01:46] <judgen> never played americas army
[01:46] <Flame> Eh
[01:46] <Rawr> another question : if I make a partition just for linux, and then a swap partition, and I keep the widnows partition - I'll still be able to access the windows partition?
[01:46] <Flame> I didnt really like AA...
[01:46] <judgen> but the wine version of quake3 is good too
[01:46] <judgen> Flame i dont play any game withouth atleast 4x fsaa
[01:47] <Flame> Rawr: I tried that for a while...and then just said "No more." And tossed the Windows ^^
[01:47] <Rawr> because I'm thinking I should keep Windows JUST incase i need it, and all my files on it..
[01:47] <judgen> unless its a 2d game ofcourse
[01:47] <Flame> Lol
[01:47] <godzero> Rawr: read only
[01:47] <Rawr> ohh, okay.
[01:47] <judgen> godzero why should he use it as read only?
[01:47] <Flame> I backed up and tossed the Windows part. And NOW I can just format the entire disk ;D
[01:47] <godzero> ntfs
[01:47] <Flame> Ehh right.
[01:47] <judgen> godzero not neccesairily
[01:48] <Flame> Well, if he has it as NTFS, then he cant write to it, can he?
[01:48] <judgen> godzero i have two 400gb fat32 partions
[01:48] <TheHighChild> Anyone having trouble on a dual boot system with multiple SATA devices?
[01:48] <Rawr> so i wouldn't be able to save files to the windows partition? because what I will do if I can, is just have a small partition just for the install, and then the other for files. or does it have to be FAT32/
[01:48] <judgen> Flame yes he can, but the +rwx driver is a bit slow and buggy, but it works
[01:48] <Flame> Ahh
[01:48] <judgen> not included in the stable releases of breezy or dapper though
[01:48] <Flame> heh
[01:49] <godzero> fat32, write ok, ntfs (win 200, xp) no write.
[01:49] <judgen> you will have to download from other repos
[01:49] <Flame> That would explain my loss as to its existence ;P
[01:49] <Rawr> so you need FAT32 for linux?
[01:49] <judgen> Rawr no
[01:49] <godzero> win 2000
[01:49] <Rawr> what ab out win 2000?
[01:49] <judgen> linux only need swp+media too boot
[01:49] <Flame> He meant NTFS is used under Windows 2000 and XP.
[01:50] <Rawr> oh.
[01:50] <Flame> But he said 200 and was correcting.
[01:50] <judgen> win2000 is either installed on a ntfs or a fat32 partition
[01:50] <Flame> Right.
[01:50] <Flame> Whats the keyboard shortcut to change desktops?
[01:50] <Rawr> so, if i decide to keep my window partition. will I be able to boot into windows?
[01:50] <judgen> all windows operatin systems can be installed on fat32
[01:50] <godzero> fat32 is right now the best way to swat info between windows and linux, but I don't know if that'll hold true
[01:50] <godzero> swap
[01:50] <judgen> and you should always use fat32 for partitions smaller than 32gb since its faster
[01:51] <Rawr> so, if i decide to keep my window partition. will I be able to boot into windows, post linux install?
[01:51] <judgen> than ntfs
[01:51] <godzero> Rawr: yes, always true
[01:51] <judgen> larger partitions than 32gb does not scale well with fat32 and will det fragmented very fast
[01:51] <Rawr> thank you. when i boot it will give me an option of what OS to boot?
[01:52] <godzero> for instance:
[01:52] <judgen> yes
[01:52] <godzero> if you use grub, it'll give you  linux or windows..
[01:52] <judgen> through grub, lilo, bootman or what ever bootloader you decide to use
[01:52] <godzero> windows will be chainloaded
[01:52] <Flame> Anyone here use Kopete?
[01:52] <Flame> Yes? Maybe?
[01:52] <mrfishhat> i used to
[01:53] <judgen> bootman is able to boot 99% of all oses to date, inluding osx86
[01:53] <mrfishhat> now gaim
[01:53] <Flame> Is there an option to log history in it?
[01:53] <Flame> Or do I have to DL Gaim to do that?
[01:53] <Flame> :(
[01:53] <Rawr> is there a bootloader that comes with Kub/
[01:53] <mrfishhat> i think kopete has it
[01:53] <mrfishhat> but i never used it
[01:53] <Flame> Hmm...
[01:53] <mrfishhat> i love gaim
[01:53] <Flame> Yeah
[01:53] <Flame> But I dont want to have to DL it :D
[01:53] <judgen> Flame dont know. i dont use instant messaging, since microsoft started logging all conversations
[01:53] <mrfishhat> and gaim is a short ap
[01:53] <DrBair> can someone confirm for me that the keyboard mappings are in /usr/share/xmodmap/ ?
[01:53] <mrfishhat> apt*
[01:53] <daphreak07> how do i do a comprehensive search for a file name at the comand line?
[01:53] <Rawr> so i WILL get the option of which OS to boot into?
[01:53] <Flame> Heh
[01:53] <Flame> Yes Rawr.
[01:54] <Rawr> goodie!
[01:54] <Flame> Itll be something with a timer like "Selected OS will boot in 3 seconds"
[01:54] <judgen> DrBair yes
[01:54] <Rawr> now I just have to clean all this junk out of windows XD
[01:54] <godzero> Rawr: yes
[01:54] <Flame> And if youre awake..you pick :P
[01:54] <Flame> Lol
[01:54] <judgen> DrBair what is your problem with the mappings?
[01:54] <Rawr> so, while in linux, i will have access to windows partition, and windows will be read only - and vice versa?
[01:55] <DrBair> judgen: its all screwed up, up does a print screen, num pad doesn't work, pg up does a /
[01:55] <DrBair> judgen: I'm using the evdev driver
[01:55] <judgen> Rawr no windows does not have pluginstyle filesystem support
[01:55] <Rawr> what does that mean?
[01:55] <judgen> so you cant read any other filesystems than the ones included in windows
[01:55] <DrBair> judgen: but... my xmodmap finds seem to have disappeared completely
[01:55] <Flame> Wootz.
[01:55] <Rawr> oh..what filesystem do I need to run Linux on?
[01:55] <Flame> I found it :)
[01:55] <Flame> Umm...anything you want to that it allows? >.>
[01:55] <judgen> Rawr you cant read any filesystem that linux rons from in windows
[01:56] <Rawr> oh. will I be able to access the windows partition from linux/
[01:56] <Flame> Think so
[01:56] <mrfishhat> youll be able to read them yes
[01:56] <judgen> DrBair do you have the same problem if you shut down the xserver?
[01:56] <judgen> in terminal
[01:56] <Flame> Anyone know the keyboard shortcut to change the desktop?
[01:56] <godzero> all: does 6.06 do reiser4 for / ?
[01:56] <Flame> Like to switch 1-4?
[01:56] <Flame> Umm
[01:56] <Rawr> good. so it sounds like I'm good to go.
[01:57] <Flame> I think I installed it as that format >.>
[01:57] <DrBair> judgen: nope, everything works fine out there
[01:57] <Flame> Unless Im lost.
[01:57] <Flame> Anyone know the keyboard shortcut to change the desktops 1-4?
[01:57] <word> is there a difference between the RC version of dapper and the newest version?
[01:57] <Rawr> LMAO
[01:57] <judgen> DrBair then all you have to do is rebuild your xserver-cache.
[01:57] <DrBair> judgen: how might I go about that?
[01:58] <Rawr> oh man..i went to burn the LiveCD, and the cd tray ejected becasue it wanted a cd, pushed the case door open and hit me in the leg. scared the crap out of mr.
[01:58] <Rawr> me*
[01:58] <Flame> Heheheh
[01:58] <Flame> Someone's a little jumpy, eh? :D
[01:58] <Rawr> yeah dude, I'm nervous about the switch
[01:58] <Flame> haha
[01:58] <mrfishhat> dont be
[01:58] <godzero> so.. no-one knows?
[01:58] <Flame> I started off with a comp that I had deleted the windows/system folder on
[01:58] <Rawr> Will I get an option to format and partition, or will it just.. do it.
[01:58] <Flame> Nothing to lose, everything to gain ;P
[01:58] <Flame> option
[01:59] <mrfishhat> i was nervous back a few years ago when i made the jump
[01:59] <judgen> DrBair join #empty
[01:59] <Rawr> will it make me do both or none, or a combonation?
[01:59] <mrfishhat> and i NEVER want to go back
[01:59] <Flame> ?
[01:59] <Flame> It will never just..DO anything.
[01:59] <Flame> Unless you choose the option to.
[01:59] <Flame> Itll be a partition manager
[01:59] <Rawr> will it make me format AND partition, or will i be able to just partition?
[01:59] <TheHighChild> Anyone using a ThinkPad?
[01:59] <Flame> And you literally have at least 4 different ways you can go back if you mess up before finally erasing the disk.
[01:59] <mrfishhat> anyone know how to mount an extended partition?
[02:00] <Flame> Its a partition manager. Itll show you your options. And you can choose to format, partition, or both.
[02:00] <Rawr> good. =D
[02:00] <Flame> :)
[02:00] <Rawr> hm, 6 gigs of porn, lmao
[02:00] <godzero> Rawr: beginner
[02:01] <Flame> Heheheh ;P
[02:01] <Rawr> do I have to have certain names for the swap and the boot partition, or will the partition manager name it itself/
[02:01] <Flame> Itll name. You just have to select which partitions you want for which functions.
[02:01] <godzero> Rawr: no names...
[02:01] <Flame> Its drop-down menus.
[02:01] <Rawr> alright, sweet :] 
[02:02] <Flame> And you set it all up BEFORE you format/partition
[02:02] <godzero> Just piont out / from /home
[02:02] <Flame> So you can always go back if you mess up the types and notice before you start to finally set up :)
[02:02] <Rawr> =D
[02:03] <godzero> "/" will have programs "/home" will have you stuff
[02:03] <Rawr> I'd assume, after the deed is done, I won't be able to change partition sizes?
[02:04] <Rutger546> anyone know how to get my laptop to use the super key (windows key) ?
[02:04] <Flame> Well
[02:04] <godzero> Rawr: can only shrink to the used size
[02:04] <Flame> Well if all else fails...you can always run the partition manager again ;)
[02:04] <Rawr> so I won't be able to expand any?
[02:04] <Flame> Lol
[02:04] <godzero> Rawr: ie: if you're usung 4 gigs in a 10 gig patr, you can shrink to 4 gigs
[02:04] <Rawr> oh. alright =D
[02:05] <Flame> ;D
[02:05] <Rawr> somebody was already using my primary nick here
[02:05] <Travis> sadface
[02:05] <Flame> lol
[02:05] <Travis> its owned by someone else XD oh well.
[02:05] <Flame> heheheheh
[02:06] <Flame> Hmm
[02:06] <Flame> Whats the average uptime for a Kubuntu box?
[02:06] <Flame> Anyone?
[02:06] <Travis> I'm sure its longer than windows, XD
[02:06] <Flame> Lol
[02:07] <mrfishhat> so i have a problem with mounting my old install of kubuntu
[02:07] <Travis> I've been up for 2 hours, xD
[02:07] <Flame> That much, yeah. Im curious as to how long I could push it for though.
[02:07] <mrfishhat> im trying to mount it to get some data off
[02:07] <Flame> Not that my parents would let me, power consumption and whatnot.
[02:07] <Flame> But its nice to KNOW
[02:07] <Flame> lol
[02:07] <Travis> PCs hardly consume ANYTHING.
[02:07] <mrfishhat> and its wont mount
[02:07] <Flame> Yeah
[02:07] <Flame> But they view it as anything > zero.
[02:07] <Flame> Rofl
[02:07] <Travis> lmao wow
[02:08] <Dasnipa`> Flame, im sure you could have ubuntu up for years and not have a problem
[02:08] <Flame> O.o
[02:08] <Dasnipa`> its the memory management
[02:08] <Flame> You think?
[02:08] <Dasnipa`> right
[02:08] <Flame> With...under a gig of RAM?
[02:08] <Dasnipa`> same is true for any linux system i can think of
[02:08] <Flame> heh
[02:08] <Dasnipa`> Flame, theres linux servers that have 10+ years uptime with less than 128 mb ram
[02:09] <Travis> wow, lol
[02:09] <Dasnipa`> webservers
[02:09] <james> what is the best way to get streaming video to work in kubuntu?
[02:10] <james> i have run automatix and easyubuntu....
[02:10] <Flame> O.o
[02:10] <kbrooks_> Flame: stop.
[02:10] <kbrooks_> james: well, both of them dont have that kind of option
[02:11] <james> kbrooks_: ok.... i just did a fresh REinstall. i had streaming video working on kubuntu before i reinstalled, but i don't remember how i did it
[02:13] <mrfishhat> did you get the flashplayer?
[02:13] <james> mrfishhat: yes, i selected it anyways
[02:14] <mrfishhat> what web browser?
[02:14] <godzero> Flame: my max uptime was qabout 1 month - till i went on vacation. Max uptime on linux is too big for us desktop users
[02:14] <james> firefox
[02:15] <james> mrfishhat: firefox
[02:15] <mrfishhat> james: if it installed correctly it should just work
[02:15] <Mongey> how do i install Automatix in Kubuntu
[02:15] <Mongey> amd64
[02:15] <james> mrfishhat: hmmm, well nothing i do works correctly with linux
[02:16] <godzero> james: if your commands start with c:\ ...
[02:17] <godzero> ;P
[02:18] <Travis> its going to take 21 minutes to empty my recycle bin.
[02:18] <Travis> -.-
[02:19] <godzero> .. errr. arg.. must resist...
[02:19] <Travis> ?
[02:20] <godzero> just makeing a joke.. dumb.. I know
[02:20] <Travis> joke about what O_+O
[02:21] <godzero> under most file systems, delete won't work till I finish me download
[02:21] <Travis> oh..kay/
[02:21] <godzero> I told you.. it was a bad joke
[02:21] <Travis> yep
[02:22] <Travis> k, windows is making me mad, lmfao
[02:22] <Travis> XFire, and Setup2.exe are trying to find a disc in the drive -.l-
[02:23] <Travis> Will I be able to pull files OFF of the windows partition and put it ON the linux one?
[02:23] <godzero> yes
[02:23] <ucpalx> if you mount it
[02:23] <Travis> sweet.
[02:24] <Travis> how would I mount it?
[02:24] <ucpalx> find out what the windows partition is named and mount that
[02:25] <Travis> well, I get that, but how do I actually do the mount
[02:25] <godzero> worst case scenerio:
[02:25] <james> i ran automatix and i think i have wine... how do i set it up?
[02:26] <godzero> mkdir /mnt/disk && mount /defv/hda1 /mnt.disk
[02:26] <mrfishhat> winecfg
[02:26] <godzero> mkdir /mnt/disk && mount /defv/hda1 /mnt/disk
[02:26] <james> mrfishhat: ok i typed that and it said there was no such command
[02:27] <godzero> but under kde.. much easier.. just browse to it
[02:27] <Travis> ughhh, WinBLOWS
[02:27] <ucpalx> hehe
[02:27] <Travis> KDE IS kubuntu right?
[02:27] <Mongey> what side is ur appendics on
[02:27] <ucpalx> yes k for kde
[02:27] <Travis> its going to talke 33 minutes to empty my recycle bit
[02:27] <Travis> bin
[02:27] <godzero> kde is what you look at when you finish booting kubuntu
[02:28] <mrfishhat> jamesits something like that
[02:28] <Travis> I seee.
[02:28] <Travis> SIN Episodes is 2.55 gigs with 18.5 thousand files.
[02:28] <ucpalx> i've just installed dapper
[02:28] <Travis> and its going to take soo long to delete -.-
[02:29] <godzero> 18.5 thousand?
[02:29] <Travis> yeah
[02:29] <godzero> 1/2 hour might be reasonable
[02:29] <Travis> 18,515 files in 2.55 gigabytes
[02:30] <Mongey> argh
[02:30] <Mongey> i cant get mp3 playback
[02:30] <Mongey> ive done something wrong but dont know what
[02:30] <godzero> Mongey: you did nothing wrong
[02:31] <Mongey> ?
[02:31] <godzero> mp3 is not enabled by default
[02:31] <Mongey> just nothing right?
[02:31] <Mongey> i know
[02:31] <Mongey> ive been trying to get it to work
[02:31] <Mongey> but im stumped
[02:31] <godzero> whitch music player do you use?
[02:31] <Travis> dlinux will support AAC, yes?
[02:32] <godzero> aac yes, I stream it
[02:32] <Mongey> em
[02:32] <Mongey> amaorak
[02:32] <mrfishhat> amarok is knig.
[02:32] <godzero> amakoc is great
[02:33] <godzero> use the "xine" back-end, enable all of the options
[02:33] <Travis> oh man, my dad is listening to drop it like its hot.
[02:34] <Mongey> where?
[02:35] <godzero> Travis: aac is no better than ogg. plus you my run into DRM.
[02:36] <judgen> ogg is better
[02:37] <Travis> well i've only got AAC for my iPod
[02:38] <godzero> If you have aac for the ipod, drm is a real problem
[02:39] <Desh> Was Dappe released?
[02:39] <Desh> *Dapper
[02:39] <kyncani> yep
[02:39] <Travis> what is DRM?
[02:39] <judgen> drm is about to become illegal in many nations (it allready is in some)
[02:39] <Desh> Ok, so, to upgrade from 5.10, would I need to format and reinstall?
[02:40] <mrfishhat> no
[02:40] <SkrotFFS> judgen: Countries such as?
[02:40] <mrfishhat> use the dapper alternat install cd
[02:40] <Travis> What is drm though?
[02:40] <mrfishhat> or change the repository
[02:40] <knewb> hi i'm new to kubuntu... does the latest version have amy issues automounting dvds...? like suse 10.1 does?
[02:40] <Desh> Ah, so a full update from Adept would not do it..
[02:40] <godzero> Travis: DRM = a method to kweep you from copying to CDs , etc
[02:40] <judgen> mrfishhat russia, estonia, latvia, lithuania, and a few eu nations
[02:40] <Travis> oh...drm isn't a problem at all..
[02:40] <judgen> mrfishhat atleast te current implementation of it
[02:41] <SkrotFFS> judgen: Okai
[02:41] <TheHighChild> travis: Digital rights management. it's hardcoded into media (movies, music) to prevent you from playing/copying this media via undesireable methods
[02:41] <Travis> well, its never been an issue for me...mainly because none of my music is legit.
[02:41] <TheHighChild> lol
[02:41] <Travis> except for maybe 3 CDs
[02:41] <TheHighChild> It's new these days
[02:41] <Travis> still wasn't an issue. xD
[02:42] <judgen> the passwords and such is legal, but the expiration of digital medias is the part where it fails
[02:42] <Travis> oooh...
[02:42] <TheHighChild> IMO, information age means it's free for the downloading
[02:43] <SkrotFFS> TheHighChild: Allowing downloading of copyrighted material? Are you high? ;)
[02:43] <Travis> in canada, several bands made a group actually opposing the RIAA.
[02:43] <godzero> Creative commons! A an ex-musician.. please look into it.
[02:43] <Travis> huh?
[02:43] <judgen> Travis i know, avril lavigne is part of that group
[02:43] <TheHighChild> skrotffs: need you ask that?
[02:43] <Travis> orly?
[02:43] <Travis> she can die. XD
[02:43] <godzero> A an = As an
[02:44] <SkrotFFS> TheHighChild: I see =)
[02:44] <TheHighChild> SkrotFFS: Not suggesting it and not allowing it either. I keep my content password protected
[02:44] <thompa> !java
[02:44] <SkrotFFS> TheHighChild: Okai
[02:44] <ubotu> To install Java/Sun Java see Java on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats and also see !javadebs
[02:44] <supyo> can someone pls tell how you install Java and Flash using Kubuntu Live DVD? I had no problem with Ubuntu but am stuck with Kubuntu :( thanks
[02:44] <thompa> that page need to be uypdated
[02:44] <Travis> 3 minutes to empty recycle bin =D
[02:44] <thompa> me too
[02:45] <judgen> the offspring released their album for free from their webpage just to pissthe recordcompany off, but it seems that it only increased the sales even more. As more people listened to it and bought the cds
[02:45] <Travis> nice
[02:45] <judgen> the same goes for the swedish artist "hkan hellstrm"
[02:45] <godzero> Some of us musicians want you to listen to and copy our music. now-a-days we use the creative commons license
[02:45] <SkrotFFS> judgen: That's one of the good things about the internet indeed. :)
[02:45] <Travis> I buy as many CDs as i can at concerts and give them out, because the record companies get reall mad at that XD
[02:45] <TheHighChild> judgen: All content I buy is first pirated. With so much choice and so much being forced on the consumer, sampling is only the next evolutionary step in media consumption
[02:45] <judgen> supyo why use a livecd when you can have the real thing
[02:46] <thompa> supyo: why dont you install kubuntu first?
[02:46] <judgen> TheHighChild i would buy a new car unless i got to try it first
[02:46] <judgen> TheHighChild the same goes for music
[02:46] <supyo> judgen: not sure i want to leave windows just yet :p
[02:46] <TheHighChild> precisely and 30 second clips don't cut it
[02:46] <judgen> no
[02:46] <Travis> thats why they made the radio
[02:46] <thompa> well java works, but sun site was down
[02:47] <TheHighChild> supyo: You need not leave Windows but you can try them both
[02:47] <thompa> i mean the linux java download at sun
[02:47] <thompa> probably due to layoffs
[02:47] <SkrotFFS> Travis: Radio (FM/AM/DAB) is an outdated concept though. You reach more audience using the internet
[02:47] <Mongey> any help with mp3's?
[02:47] <judgen> Mongey help?
[02:47] <TheHighChild> Mongey: can't play?
[02:47] <Qrawl> I just downloaded Java a few hours ago
[02:47] <Mongey> ye
[02:47] <Travis> so, reccomendations for linux native msn and aim?
[02:47] <Mongey> i need the codec AFAIK
[02:47] <SkrotFFS> Travis: kopete
[02:48] <Travis> is kopete both?
[02:48] <SkrotFFS> Yupp
[02:48] <thompa> Qrawl: I could not get it, other downloads worked
[02:48] <Qrawl> !mp3
[02:48] <ubotu> from memory, mp3 is a patented format; to enable mp3 capability see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[02:48] <Qrawl> thompa, did it break
[02:48] <judgen> !roflcopter?
[02:48] <ubotu> parse error: Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, judgen
[02:48] <judgen> hehe
[02:48] <Qrawl> thompa, were you using the terminal
[02:48] <Mongey> is there no simpler way than that
[02:48] <SkrotFFS> Travis: Kopete supports AIM, Gadu-Gadu, GroupWise, ICQ, IRC, Jabber, MSN, WinPopup and Yahoo :p
[02:48] <TheHighChild> mongey you need the package to the codecs
[02:48] <Qrawl> thompa, because theres something you have to do first
[02:48] <Mongey> ye
[02:48] <thompa> but in restircted formats (page) there is none of those files in synaptics even with universe
[02:48] <Travis> so, to try out the live CD, I restart and boot from the CD?>
[02:48] <godzero> TheHighChild: agreed: but why give them the ammo? Listen to our music instead.. let them die on the vine
[02:49] <TheHighChild> one sec, i am trying to find them
[02:49] <TheHighChild> godzero what music?
[02:49] <thompa> or the names are all wrong, ....no the download file was not there
[02:49] <Qrawl> thompa, if you want to install Java, you do this:  1)  sudo dpkg-reconfigure debconf
[02:49] <judgen> TheHighChild install gstreamer(and its plugins) and lame, and you should be able to play most formats
[02:49] <Qrawl> Select Dialog
[02:49] <TheHighChild> ongey first off have you tried easyubuntu or automatix?
[02:49] <Travis> so, to try out the live CD, I restart and boot from the CD?>
[02:49] <Qrawl> and 2)  sudo apt-get -f install
[02:49] <godzero> TheHighChild: all of the CC music (creative conmmons)
[02:49] <thompa> Qrawl: ok
[02:49] <TheHighChild> judgen i am good, trying to help mongey
[02:50] <deviant> Needing some help
[02:50] <TheHighChild> godzero I've head of it, got a link?
[02:50] <Travis> ah!
[02:50] <judgen> haha pimpbot... funny stuff
[02:50] <thompa> Qrawl: due i mark low
[02:50] <bulltitan> hi
[02:50] <Qrawl> thompa, I think I did high
[02:50] <Travis> so, to use the live CD, I restart and boot from the CD?>
[02:50] <thompa> then what?
[02:50] <Qrawl> and 2)  sudo apt-get -f install
[02:50] <judgen> trappist yes
[02:50] <TheHighChild> Linus or Stallman?
[02:50] <bulltitan> i need some help installing java in konqueror
[02:50] <judgen> Travis yes
[02:51] <Travis> goody, I'll be back.
[02:51] <Mongey> gstreamer is for gnome right?
[02:51] <Qrawl> thompa, did that work?
[02:51] <deviant> Anyone know why my dvd drive won't mount to /media/cdrom0 but comes up as /media/hdd?
[02:51] <judgen> too many people here, namecompletion does not work the way it should =)
[02:51] <thompa> is it jre? or what, what am i looking for?
[02:51] <godzero> http://creativecommons.org/ http://www.sectionz.com/ , others too
[02:51] <Qrawl> judgen, hit Tab more than once
[02:51] <TheHighChild> deviant check your /etc/fstab to see where it's mount location is
[02:52] <TheHighChild> godzero thanks
[02:52] <Qrawl> thompa, doesnt  sudo apt-get -f install   do Java automatically?
[02:52] <judgen> Qrawl i know, but i have to get used to all that tabbing....
[02:52] <supyo> i think i like the gnome version better. KDE is nice looking but seems kinda flaky but what do I know.. lol
[02:52] <bulltitan> i can't install java in konqueror
[02:52] <thompa> no maybe high is wrong
[02:52] <Qrawl> NO
[02:52] <Qrawl> do
[02:52] <thompa> Qrawl: i think it was high by default
[02:52] <Qrawl> sudo apt-get install sun-java5-jre
[02:53] <TheHighChild> me, wrong? What was I trying to be right about?
[02:53] <Qrawl> It has nothing to do with High or Low
[02:53] <thompa> cant find it
[02:53] <Qrawl> thompa, did you select Dialog
[02:53] <Mongey> i dont have a clue what todo
[02:53] <Qrawl> thompa, if you want to install Java, you do this:  1)  sudo dpkg-reconfigure debconf   And select Dialog
[02:53] <thompa> dialog, yes, ive done it before thanks
[02:53] <Qrawl> Did you select dialog??
[02:53] <Qrawl> ok
[02:53] <Qrawl> mine is set to high, and I installed Java today
[02:54] <thompa> now i have a menus : critical, high, medium, low
[02:54] <Qrawl> just go with HIgh
[02:54] <judgen> thompa or do the following 1.) http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/download.jsp download that 2.) chmod +x jre-1_5_0_07-linux-i586.bin 3.) fakeroot make-jpkg jre-1_5_0_07-linux-i586.bin 4.) sudo dpkg -i sun-j2re1.5_1.5.0+update07_i386.deb
[02:54] <Qrawl> the important thing is to select DIALOG
[02:54] <judgen> thompa that works 100% of the time
[02:55] <thompa> dont i need to run update first?
[02:55] <judgen> not when doing it my way
[02:55] <thompa> no guess not
[02:55] <deviant> ... well crap, /dev/hdc mounts to /media/cdrom0 but not to /media/cdrom like it should and /dev/dvd doesn't mount to anything and it's supposed to mount to /media/cdrom0
[02:55] <thompa> cant find it
[02:55] <Qrawl> do it judgen's way
[02:55] <thompa> im going to try the sun web site
[02:56] <Qrawl> ...
[02:56] <judgen> that is what i told you
[02:56] <thompa> its one method , just the link was not there earlier
[02:56] <Qrawl> ok
[02:56] <thompa> why do i need java anyway
[02:56] <Mongey> is there a player that will install the codecs by default
[02:56] <judgen> thompa for some pages, and for some apps
[02:56] <Qrawl> I dont know
[02:56] <Qrawl> you dont really need it
[02:56] <TheHighChild> deviant you can change the mount locations in the /etc/fstab just make sure you create a directory in the /media directory so that it has a location to be mounted to
[02:56] <judgen> good to have though
[02:56] <Qrawl> yeah
[02:57] <thompa> one web app. complained it needed java, but it still works
[02:57] <judgen> some apps you might want depends on it
[02:57] <bulltitan> qrawl do you have to restart after sudo dpkg-reconfigure debconf?
[02:57] <judgen> (dont know what apps you use though)
[02:57] <Qrawl> bulltitan, no
[02:57] <judgen> bulltitan no
[02:57] <bulltitan> ok
[02:57] <thompa> in windows i got java and the site works worse with java
[02:57] <Qrawl> What youre doing is, changing it so you can Accept Java's License agreement
[02:58] <Qrawl> so it displays
[02:58] <thompa> the university login intranet says it needs java,
[02:58] <bulltitan> k
[02:58] <judgen> thompa in windows do you use the crappy "microsoft jvm" or "sun jvm" ?
[02:58] <deviant> TheHighChild the directory's are already there lol but nothing in fstab mounts to /media/cdrom I upgraded from Breezy to Dapper last night and everything worked in Breezy.
[02:58] <thompa> it looks like some old crap windows program like outloog 74
[02:59] <thompa> java come with openoffice in windows i thought
[02:59] <Desh> To update to Dapper from Breezy, what do I change in the repositories?
[02:59] <TheHighChild> deviant dist-upgrade? TOTAL nightmare on both machines for me and one of my brothers. I don't know what to say but you can edit the fstab and change their destination locations to the right locations.
[02:59] <TheHighChild> deviant then you can reboot or type sudo mount -a
[02:59] <judgen> Desh all names from brezy to dapper, then do a "sudo dist-update"
[02:59] <TheHighChild> deviant but one thing is for sure. I will never ever do another dist-upgrade
[03:00] <thompa> thanks for the help
[03:00] <Desh> Ok, well I did a full update w/o changing anything and Adept is updating 1050 packages...and somehow I had some dapper repositories in there...
[03:00] <judgen> TheHighChild i have never had any problems with dist-upgrade
[03:00] <sokuban> How do you change your resolution in kubuntu?
[03:00] <Travis> :[ that didn't go so well.
[03:00] <TheHighChild> judgen I didn't either until Dapper
[03:00] <thompa> im going to get java only if something doesnt work i think
[03:00] <judgen> sokuban use kcontrol
[03:01] <Travis> :[ it had an error ten while reading the disc
[03:01] <bulltitan> do you remember sun's website to test if java is working?
[03:01] <thompa> anyway the restricted formats page says Blackdown Java.
[03:01] <sokuban> does it come with KDE?
[03:01] <bulltitan> the url i mean
[03:01] <Desh> thompa, you can get java easily by adding two repositories and then using apt-get or adept.
[03:01] <thompa> yes i got it
[03:01] <judgen> sokuban yes
[03:01] <sokuban> k, thanks
[03:01] <judgen> just not in the menus
[03:01] <thompa> http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/download.jsp
[03:01] <Desh> Sun released Java5 for ubuntu.
[03:01] <bulltitan> thanks thompa
[03:01] <TheHighChild> For the folks looking for java, have you tried Automatix?
[03:01] <deviant> TheHighChild Seeing how it fugled up my machine, It looks as if I won't do another as well. lol thanks for the help
[03:01] <mrfishhat> thats what i did
[03:02] <mrfishhat> worked wonders?
[03:02] <thompa> i only wanted to say that all the steps in restricted formats dont work except maybe the link
[03:02] <godzero> Is there any chance SUn will GPl java this year?
[03:02] <Qrawl> they already did
[03:02] <judgen> godzero not likely
[03:02] <godzero> GPL?
[03:02] <judgen> godzero not sure they will gpl at all
[03:02] <Qrawl> I thought they did that last week
[03:02] <thompa> i dont trust automat
[03:02] <TheHighChild> deviant I booted with Knoppix and moved everything to the /home partition and reinstalled. Not mad or anything but that's what I had to do but I'm happy
[03:02] <judgen> godzero they might be using mit instead of gpl
[03:03] <sokuban> what should I open kcontrol with?
[03:03] <godzero> OK, gotta look up mit know......
[03:03] <judgen> godzero http://www.javalobby.org/java/forums/t73163.html
[03:03] <TheHighChild> java said they will (has before too) but it's a long way from being released
[03:04] <judgen> TheHighChild not, sun say they MIGHT
[03:04] <themoddingden> hey guys and gals i'm useing 5.10 cause it's the only one that works with my hardware
[03:04] <judgen> themoddingden ok =P
[03:04] <judgen> good info...
[03:04] <Mongey> any help with mp3' again
[03:04] <TheHighChild> Sun is a shi**y company.
[03:04] <themoddingden> how come i can't do su then put in my pw then use this kedit sources.list
[03:04] <Qrawl> !mp3
[03:04] <ubotu> mp3 is probably a patented format; to enable mp3 capability see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[03:04] <judgen> Mongey have youn installed gstreamer?
[03:04] <Mongey> no
[03:05] <Mongey> where is it
[03:05] <judgen> then do so
[03:05] <Qrawl> gstreamer is for Breezy
[03:05] <TheHighChild> themoddingden you have to create a password for root
[03:05] <Qrawl> you need libxine-extracodecs for Dapper
[03:05] <themoddingden> done
[03:05] <Desh> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=176426&highlight=java
[03:05] <Mongey> in add/remove its only for gnome
[03:05] <judgen> Qrawl gstreamer worked for dapper rc2 atleast
[03:05] <TheHighChild> themoddingden try this sudo passwd root
[03:05] <themoddingden> says can't load kedit
[03:05] <Desh> Java is now in the dapper multiverse.
[03:05] <judgen> Mongey have you enabled universe and mutliverse?
[03:05] <Qrawl> youll want libxine-extracodecs for Dapper
[03:06] <TheHighChild> As-is, a root password is not creted. 'su' tries to switch the user so it asks for the root password
[03:06] <Mongey> i think so
[03:06] <farous> Desh: by default java is installed you mean sunjava
[03:06] <Travis> I got a CD Read error...
[03:06] <thompa> TheHighChild: I heard an interview with the CEO i think, said they got a linux licence
[03:06] <thompa> lol
[03:06] <themoddingden> ok now onto another issue i used automatix to install some stuff and the nvidia driver but when i run glxgears it crawls
[03:06] <judgen> then type "sudo -f apt-get install gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly"
[03:06] <Desh> farous: yeah, i meant sun java
[03:06] <Qrawl> youll want libxine-extracodecs for Dapper
[03:06] <TheHighChild> How do I register?
[03:06] <godzero> TheHighChild: looking to root someone?
[03:06] <farous> !tell TheHighChild about register
[03:06] <themoddingden> whishes he had amarok 1.4
[03:07] <TheHighChild> faours thanks
[03:07] <TheHighChild> farous thanks
[03:07] <farous> ur welcome:)
[03:07] <TheHighChild> I am new to IRC
[03:07] <mrfishhat> theres a repo for amarok 1.4
[03:07] <_Deviant_> Oh sorry TheHightChild didn't know you weren't registered lol
[03:07] <mrfishhat> and it works great
[03:07] <themoddingden> tried to put it in in synaptic nada
[03:07] <Desh> If I change all instances of breezy to dapper in the etc/apt/sources.list file, the I should be able to update to Dapper, no?
[03:07] <TheHighChild> deviant one sec I cannot reply until I am registered
[03:07] <thompa> themoddingden: is nvidia working?
[03:07] <themoddingden> but i like doing it via the sources list anyway lol
[03:07] <sokuban> umm what do I open kcontrol with? even though it seems to be executable it wants to be opened by something
[03:08] <themoddingden> got the logo at boot up
[03:08] <rraajj> Anyone here having trouble running XGL/Compiz under Kubuntu 6.06 LTS?
[03:08] <TheHighChild> themoddinggen what driver is being used in your /etc/X11/xorg.conf?
[03:08] <Qrawl> sokuban,  alt+f2   kcontrol
[03:08] <thompa> did you try some other opengl screensavers
[03:08] <bulltitan> :( i did installed java using apt-get but it's not detected in sun's test
[03:08] <farous> bulltitan: you need to run update-alternatives
[03:08] <sokuban> >_> I'm still used to things the windows way, XD thanks
[03:09] <judgen> bulltitan try using my method
[03:09] <farous> bulltitan: in a terminal type that sudo update-alternatives --config java
[03:09] <bulltitan> ok
[03:09] <judgen> sokuban you type kcontrol in the run field
[03:09] <farous> than choose the java you want from the list sun will be one of them
[03:09] <themoddingden> nvidia
[03:09] <bulltitan> ok let me see now
[03:10] <Mongey> judgen: i got this http://pastebin.com/761223
[03:10] <thompa> themoddingden: open etc/X11 xorg.conf - see if "nvidia" not "nv" is there
[03:10] <themoddingden> it's nvidia :)
[03:10] <themoddingden> not nv
[03:10] <Travis> when I'm downloading the livecd, do i want to get the alternate CD?
[03:10] <Qrawl> is Amarok 1.4 much different than 1.39
[03:10] <bulltitan> not the latest version but now it is detected
[03:10] <judgen> then type "sudo apt-get -f install gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly"
[03:10] <bulltitan> :D
[03:10] <thompa> install kdeextras
[03:10] <themoddingden> do i still have to kill load dri
[03:10] <judgen> Mongey i put the -f in the wrong position
[03:10] <Qrawl> judgen, you need libxine-extracodecs for Dapper
[03:10] <Qrawl> gstreamer is for Breezy
[03:10] <thompa> try another screensaver first
[03:10] <farous> bulltitan: i think in the repos sunjava1.5 right
[03:10] <themoddingden> maybe thats it it's a fx 5750 pcie card
[03:10] <bulltitan> thanks farous
[03:11] <judgen> Qrawl gstreamer 8 is for breezy and gstreamer 10 is for dapper
[03:11] <farous> wait a little if a new one is there it will take couple of days for it to be in repos
[03:11] <farous> bulltitan: yw:)
[03:11] <mrfishhat> Qrawl: yeah 1.4 has some changes and some new features
[03:11] <Qrawl> mrfishhat, ok ty
[03:11] <godzero> All: can someone explane to me how to register here.. I've been here as an un'reg for a year or so.. and it's a pain
[03:11] <farous> !tell godzero about register
[03:11] <sokuban> umm where in Kcontrol can I change my resolution? I can't find it.
[03:12] <stevekl> Can konquerer deal with nfs shares?
[03:12] <thompa> themoddingden: i meat install kdeartwork, somne screensavers there
[03:12] <judgen> sokuban its in perhipals
[03:12] <bulltitan> i can't believe this, i have java and flash in konqueror, i can play mp3 files with amarok and xvid files with kaffeine i'm so happy
[03:12] <sokuban> thanks
[03:12] <Qrawl> stevekl, whats an NFS share
[03:12] <judgen> NFS= Networked FileSystem
[03:13] <Qrawl> yes
[03:13] <Qrawl> Samba
[03:13] <themoddingden> do i still comment out dri?
[03:13] <mrfishhat> yes
[03:13] <mrfishhat> if you dont
[03:13] <themoddingden> and there was another but i forget
[03:13] <ljimmy> i have a problem, if someone wouldnt mind...
[03:13] <judgen> Mongey did it work for yah?
[03:13] <mrfishhat> the selection box on your desktop will be laggy
[03:13] <Mongey> no
[03:13] <judgen> ljimmy shoot
[03:13] <Qrawl> I dont see Amarok 1.4 in the repos
[03:13] <ljimmy> i just installed kub 606 a few days ago
[03:14] <bulltitan> i'm sorry mrfishhat but i can't write pv messages
[03:14] <ljimmy> via upgrade from 510
[03:14] <bulltitan> i'm not registered
[03:14] <mrfishhat> and you wont get near the performance you do other wise
[03:14] <judgen> Mongey whats the error?
[03:14] <ljimmy> everything worked decently well
[03:14] <Mongey> i was trying to pm you
[03:14] <Qrawl> stevekl, did you find Samba
[03:14] <ljimmy> but now my default graphical login program doesnt seem to work
[03:14] <ljimmy> i can only login if i boot to a console
[03:14] <bulltitan> but here i tell you i did it manually
[03:14] <themoddingden> thompa: do i still comment out load dri?
[03:14] <thompa> farous: i got usr/lib/jvm/java-gcj/jre/bin/java already there
[03:15] <judgen> ljimmy reinstall kdm, or do a sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm
[03:15] <farous> thompa: what are you trying to do ?
[03:15] <Mongey> http://pastebin.com/761233
[03:15] <thompa> themoddingden: mine dri is enabled
[03:15] <brandon_> anybody have any htoughts on where kde keeps konq's adblocking list?
[03:15] <ljimmy> judgen: hm, ok
[03:15] <thompa> farous: i was trying the java install
[03:16] <thompa> themoddingden: so no comment i guess
[03:16] <ljimmy> dpkg-reconfigure not found
[03:16] <farous> thompa so it is already installed that is the default java
[03:16] <judgen> Mongey type "sudo apt-get -f install libxine-extracodecs"
[03:16] <themoddingden> and it work fast?
[03:16] <judgen> Mongey atleast that works
[03:16] <farous> thompa: do you want sun-java?
[03:16] <thompa> farous: how did i get it , i winder?
[03:16] <Mongey> judgen: same thing
[03:16] <Qrawl> stevekl,  right click a folder,  select Propertiies -- Share -- configure... you can choose NFS or Samba
[03:16] <farous> thompa: it is installed by default
[03:16] <Qrawl> I prefer Samba
[03:16] <themoddingden> didn't even look at numbers though cause it was crawling slower then windows and i play hl2 on this card at 1024x768
[03:17] <farous> it is the free java ver
[03:17] <thompa> farous: maybe thats all i need then, thanks.
[03:17] <judgen> Mongey then you dont have universe+multiverse added to repo
[03:17] <bulltitan> is the free java option in the repos as good as sun's? or near?
[03:17] <theverant> is there a graphical front end for doing disk formatting and mount point setting in KDE? I thought there was, but I can't find it
[03:17] <mrfishhat> its in system settings
[03:18] <mrfishhat> and you can get qparted
[03:18] <farous> bulltitan: unfourtanetly sun java is the best i worked with so far. yet it depend on your usage. I opted to sun as i do development in java
[03:18] <Qrawl> helping people is stupid
[03:18] <ljimmy> whats the latest kernal version?
[03:18] <thompa> themoddingden: but try another test, type nvidia-settings
[03:18] <godzero> farous: Thanks, it's not helping.. but thanks
[03:18] <bulltitan> i see
[03:18] <Qrawl> I get a cheap feeling when I help someone
[03:19] <farous> godzero: just type /msg nickserv identify <password>
[03:19] <ljimmy> whats the latest kernal version?
[03:19] <thompa> !kernel
[03:19] <zerozero> I have a new digital camera but I kubuntu isn't automounting it. How can I mount it manually?
[03:19] <Mongey> :D
[03:19] <farous> do it in a seperate channel so if you did a mistake no one see your passwd
[03:19] <ljimmy> !kernal
[03:19] <ubotu> ljimmy: Wish I knew. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[03:19] <gizzard> allo?
[03:19] <theverant> mrfishhat- I can't find anything relating to hard drives in the system settings window
[03:19] <themoddingden> Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
[03:19] <themoddingden> Xlib: No protocol specified
[03:19] <themoddingden> (nvidia-settings:8026): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:
[03:19] <themoddingden> root@thebeastubuntu:/home/themoddingden#
[03:19] <gizzard> bonjour
[03:19] <TheHighChild> has anyone gotten dist-upgrade to work? Everyone I know has had poor luck
[03:20] <bulltitan> that's not a happy thing to say qrawl :P
[03:20] <godzero> farous: I did, but it's taking my passwd as name
[03:20] <thompa> 2.6.16.20
[03:20] <farous> TheHighChild: use the pastebin
[03:20] <Qrawl> lol
[03:20] <godzero> odd
[03:20] <Mongey> Thanks
[03:20] <Mongey> Got it working
[03:20] <judgen> no problems
[03:20] <gizzard> allo?
[03:20] <TheHighChild> farous what is the pastebin?
[03:20] <farous> themoddingden: use the pastebin sorry
[03:20] <TheHighChild> my bad
[03:20] <farous> !pastebin
[03:20] <ubotu> Please do not flood the channel http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/ for pasting long texts it does not disrupt the channel. [webboard for Ubuntu: http://www.gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=1269 : not an offical package] .
[03:20] <mrfishhat> theverant: for mount points its labeled Disk and file systems its near the bottom
[03:21] <themoddingden> didn't think i was but sorry
[03:21] <thompa> in kubuntu latest kernel is 2.6.15-23-386
[03:21] <bulltitan> more over because i'm  a happy kubuntu user thanks to your help :P
[03:21] <zak> My adept hung on insert kubuntu disk (which I don't have on me) is there anway to exit adept around this error message
[03:21] <mrfishhat> theverant: and for partitioning use kparted or qparted
[03:21] <gizzard> damn. You guys seem to be in a great konversation
[03:22] <thompa> themoddingden: are you running latest kubuntu
[03:22] <themoddingden> hope it's ok i pm'ed ya thompa
[03:22] <Mongey> whats the default kde version with dapper?
[03:22] <themoddingden> 5.10
[03:22] <gizzard> hi?
[03:22] <lengau> Mongey: 3.5.2
[03:22] <Mongey> ty
[03:23] <thompa> themoddingden: well thats one problem maybe
[03:23] <lengau> gizzard:Hi
[03:23] <gizzard> ah. At last
[03:23] <thompa> i cant find your pm?
[03:23] <gizzard> hi, lengau
[03:23] <themoddingden> 6.06 will not let me have sound or net with 2 different sound cards and two nics both with rtl8139
[03:23] <fentekreel> sup all
[03:23] <thompa> themoddingden: i would try 6.06 first
[03:23] <lengau> Mongey: I would DEFINATELY upgrade to 3.5.3 if I were you. It's SO MUCH faster!
[03:23] <gizzard> welcome, fentekreel
[03:23] <themoddingden> tried it in beta
[03:23] <RadiantFire> lengau: its wroth upgrading?
[03:24] <thompa> themoddingden: the beta was broke for nvidia
[03:24] <RadiantFire> i had all sorts of glitches when I upgraded to 3.5 in breezy
[03:24] <fentekreel> so i finally got kubuntu to install and work :)
[03:24] <thompa> on some cards
[03:24] <fentekreel> though i've got one hang
[03:24] <themoddingden> i'm running 5.10
[03:24] <gizzard> are there chats where people don't speak too much about computer programming?
[03:24] <fentekreel> usb keeps freezing and
[03:24] <godzero> nalioth: hey!
[03:24] <thompa> did you use automaitx
[03:24] <themoddingden> 6.06 has the same kernel as mepis and it's the same story no net or sound
[03:24] <lengau> RadiantFire: DEFINATELY.
[03:25] <bulltitan> is there a guide in wiki about how to upgrade kde to 3.5.3?
[03:25] <thompa> themoddingden: get rid of automatix if you have it
[03:25] <themoddingden> why?
[03:25] <nalioth> godzero: hi
[03:25] <themoddingden> can i and still keep my codecs
[03:25] <thompa> i dont know if its supported so much here
[03:25] <fentekreel> that and i dont know how to login with admin
[03:25] <gizzard> how can I find other chat rooms?
[03:25] <fentekreel> privlidges
[03:25] <fentekreel> heh
[03:25] <theverant> mrfishhat - nothing relating to disk or file systems in my System settings window.  there's very little actually
[03:25] <nalioth> gizzard: type /list
[03:25] <fentekreel> this is great :)
[03:25] <RadiantFire> lengau: ok, i'll upgrade then
[03:25] <judgen> themoddingden just compile a kernel then
[03:25] <Mongey> lengau: how?
[03:26] <godzero> nalioth: I need help
[03:26] <RadiantFire> i've been waiting for little whiel
[03:26] <nalioth> godzero: what's up?
[03:26] <themoddingden> from 6.06?
[03:26] <gizzard> thanx, nalioth
[03:26] <thompa> i would install nvidia with nvidia-glx package
[03:26] <mrfishhat> theverant: i have a suspicion that it didnt install right then.
[03:26] <themoddingden> or nvidia
[03:26] <thompa> themoddingden: if nvidia-glx does not work, then the nvidia web site driver
[03:26] <nalioth> !automatix
[03:26] <ubotu> nalioth: Huh? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[03:26] <nalioth> arrgh
[03:26] <themoddingden> ok
[03:26] <Mongey> !kde
[03:26] <theverant> mrfishhat - how would I go about reinstalling the system tools?
[03:26] <godzero> nalioth: I need to grab ownership of my name, or something similar
[03:27] <themoddingden> get the newer one then your saying
[03:27] <judgen> !wtf?
[03:27] <ubotu> the INETRNET DAMNIT try freshmeat.net, linuxapps.com and tucows.com and then winge at /dev/null
[03:27] <thompa> i dont kn ow what they use , or what script etc
[03:27] <lengau> Info on how to upgrade to KDE 3.5.3 is at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-353.php
[03:27] <mrfishhat> theverant: i would poke about in adept
[03:27] <godzero> I've been here for 1is year
[03:27] <fentekreel> could someone help me figure out how to use the upgrader adept
[03:27] <godzero> 1sh
[03:27] <bulltitan> ok
[03:27] <fentekreel> it asks for a password though it wont accept the one i provided
[03:27] <lengau> beware: you need to edit /etc/apt/sources.list as root.
[03:27] <thompa> themoddingden: it will mess up problem solving using automat stuff
[03:27] <themoddingden> 8026 is old isn't it 81 something now
[03:27] <judgen> fentekreel use apt-get instead
[03:28] <themoddingden> can't i just install new nvidia ?
[03:28] <thompa> themoddingden: but what did automatix do?, i dont know
[03:28] <bulltitan> sounds like a long process but i'll try my best
[03:28] <thompa> get rid of that
[03:28] <fentekreel> ok though what should i do about the sudo password
[03:29] <fentekreel> the install didnt let me set it
[03:29] <themoddingden> instalkled all video codecs,audio,firefox 1.5 etc
[03:29] <RadiantFire> and now we shall see if kde 3.5.3 works well
[03:29] <thompa> themoddingden: cool, is there a forum for them
[03:29] <themoddingden> yes somewhere hold on
[03:30] <thompa> themoddingden: i used one auto restricted stuff program, and had to reinstall linux later
[03:30] <fentekreel> any suggestions for the usb issue?
[03:30] <thompa> themoddingden: i actuall had a nvidia driver problem too with it
[03:31] <themoddingden> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=138405
[03:31] <thompa> themoddingden: im running 6600GTX and geforce go
[03:31] <thompa> the 6600 works and there is no logo or line for logo in xorg.conf
[03:31] <themoddingden> ok but should i be running new or legacy?
[03:31] <themoddingden> could that be a issue
[03:32] <thompa> themoddingden: whats the card?
[03:32] <thompa> i have to scroll up :(
[03:32] <RadiantFire> weee...  here i go
[03:33] <thompa> themoddingden: what happens if you type nvidia-settings?
[03:33] <fentekreel> sorry about that somehow i closed the window ;)
[03:33] <themoddingden> (nvidia-settings:8026): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:
[03:33] <thompa> themoddingden: just a sec
[03:34] <themoddingden> do i need to update gtk?
[03:34] <RadiantFire> silly gtk
[03:34] <themoddingden> No protocol specified
[03:34] <themoddingden> w the freak
[03:34] <thompa> themoddingden: you have to use nvidia-glx
[03:35] <thompa> get rid of automatix nvidia install first
[03:35] <RadiantFire> automatix is more trouble than its worth
[03:35] <RadiantFire> people should just follow the wiki instructions
[03:36] <fentekreel> ::I'm having usb freezing issues.  I can get usb working again by unplugging the mouse and replugging though it freezes at random.
[03:36] <themoddingden> oh ok to get info
[03:36] <bulltitan> if i upgrade the kde will it screw the codecs? audio and video?
[03:36] <thompa> themoddingden: install package nvidia-glx, then type sudo nvidia-glx config enable
[03:38] <FHX> Could someone help? When configuring kdiary it was okay, but when I did "make" it gave me a bunch of errors: http://pastebin.com/761269
[03:38] <bulltitan> anybody knows?
[03:38] <themoddingden> not found and shows in synaptic as installed
[03:39] <thompa> bullitan: how are you upgrading?
[03:39] <bulltitan> well
[03:39] <thompa> bullitan: dist-upgrade wont hurt anything
[03:39] <bulltitan> i followed the instructions in here http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-353.php
[03:40] <bulltitan> now i've got 84 new packages waiting to be updated
[03:40] <thompa> your codecs should be ok
[03:40] <lengau> bulltitan: update
[03:40] <bulltitan> ok let's doit then :P
[03:40] <thompa> im going to do it too
[03:41] <themoddingden> l8r
[03:42] <bulltitan> ok see u in a few moments to give the news :P
[03:44] <zak> I installed hotkeys which tries to work with my microsoft keyboard but it finds that it doesn't know how to comprehend Prevtrack/Nextrack, is there a way I can make an alias that uses that command to work with a keybinding on amarok?
[03:44] <thompa> bulltitan; i could not even play dvds in winXP unless i had vlc player
[03:46] <TheHighChild> VLC is the greatest media player of all time
[03:46] <thompa> bulltitan; the mirrors are slow or something
[03:48] <Kadran> zak: did you tried lineak?
[03:48] <posthuman> Does anyone know if one can view comments in openoffice?
[03:48] <posthuman> My english instructor puts comments in the documents and sends them back
[03:48] <posthuman> (in doc format)
[03:49] <thompa> bulltitan; none of the mirrors work, or they are all down
[03:50] <Kadran> thompa: i am doing update right now
[03:50] <Kadran> it works
[03:51] <thompa> yep it works
[03:51] <thompa> i cant connect to columbia.edu though
[03:52] <zak> No what is that kadran, and how do you direct msg like that?
[03:53] <Kadran> !lineakd
[03:53] <ubotu> NO SPEAKE ENLISH! Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, Kadran
[03:53] <Kadran> !klineakconfig
[03:53] <ubotu> Kadran: Some people juggle geese. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[03:53] <thompa> bulltitan; the columia.edu link is down
[03:54] <zak> ok, I installed the lineak packages, now what
[03:54] <Kadran> zak: klineakconfig is easy program to manage a multimedia keyboard
[03:54] <zak> How do I configure it
[03:54] <Kadran> install klineakconfig
[03:54] <Desh> what command would I use in kubuntu to edit files if the website tells me to use gedit?
[03:55] <zak> I think it is installed, but how do I get to either a config gui, or command prompt
[03:55] <Kadran> Desh: kedit, kwrite, vi, ......... what ever you like
[03:55] <Desh> Ah ok, thanks.
[03:56] <MasterEvilAce> is there a command to check kernel version and kde version in console?>
[03:56] <Kadran> zak: press alt+F2 the write klineakconfig
[03:56] <Kadran> Desh: np
[03:56] <zak> do I have to restart Xserv?
[03:56] <Kadran> MasterEvilAce: 'uname -a'
[03:57] <fentekreel> can someone please help me with this usb freezing issue its killing me :(
[03:58] <fentekreel> i keep getting random freezes with any usb device....sadly my mouse is usb
[04:00] <fentekreel> i'm not sure what is causing it though....like it works but randomly it just stops responding...same thing with my keyboards
[04:00] <bulltitan> cool
[04:00] <bulltitan> all codecs all music and now kde upgraded to 3.5.3
[04:00] <bulltitan> :D:D:D
[04:01] <bulltitan> i think i love kubuntu
[04:01] <tarmath> how do you get all codecs?
[04:01] <bulltitan> the xine extra codecs
[04:01] <tarmath> libxine-extracodecs?
[04:01] <bulltitan> yep
[04:01] <tarmath> ah cool, I was wondering in front of it just now<
[04:01] <judgen> bulltitan i ca also recomend gstreamer for the formats not supported in xine
[04:01] <bulltitan> everything works great now
[04:02] <bulltitan> thanks judgen
[04:02] <bulltitan> and yes 3.5.3 is a little faster
[04:02] <Kadran> bulltitan: it is way faster
[04:03] <bulltitan> ;)
[04:03] <tarmath> is it? which repos do I need to get it installed then?
[04:03] <tarmath> isnt there some howto anywhere for all this stuff
[04:03] <bulltitan> hummm i read something about it in wiki let me see if i find the url
[04:03] <tarmath> the only howtos I could find were for ubuntu
[04:04] <bulltitan> ho here
[04:04] <bulltitan> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/RestrictedFormats
[04:04] <bulltitan> there you'll see a how to install those extra codecs and more
[04:05] <mah> Gn8.
[04:05] <bulltitan> brb in about an hour,...
[04:06] <tarmath> thx lad
[04:11] <Desh> OK, I need help, while doing dist-upgrade a blue windows comes up asking me if I want to update auto.master, I ask to see a side by side comparison, now, I want to get back to the screen before so i can tell it o use the new one, but all I see is the side by side comparison and at the bottom it says (END), how do I continue?
[04:11] <Desh> All this is in a konsole shell, by the way..
[04:11] <james> i had issues with 3.5.3... i am gonna hold off until KDE4
[04:12] <TheHighChild> desh try typing q
[04:13] <Desh> Ah it worked, thanks TheHighChild.
[04:13] <TheHighChild> np, remember that. Any time you use the man pages 'man grep' or anything, or using cat. You just press q to quit
[04:15] <Desh> Ok, yeah I'm using it now to see differences in some files it asks me about.
[04:16] <Desh> I just hope this upgrade doesn't screw anythin up...
[04:16] <TheHighChild> LOL no comment on that
[04:16] <zommes> hello, anybody knows how to get sound on Mpeg's with Kaffeine.. ?
[04:16] <TheHighChild> On the plus side, you won't know til you reboot ;)
[04:16] <Desh> At the moment I cannot open folders, view files, etc, but I am hoping that after the update is done and I restart the PC, everything will work...
[04:17] <TheHighChild> desh everything worked great for me until the reboot.
[04:17] <Desh> Hahaha, well, is there a way to rol back to 5.10, just in case?
[04:17] <Desh> *roll
[04:17] <TheHighChild> maybe, didn't try. I just roll with the punches. I don't do any production, any install is for testing only
[04:18] <Desh> Ah ok, well time to restart, wish me luck, and thanks for the help.
[04:18] <TheHighChild> good luck m8
[04:19] <_Deviant_> Okay lol anyone know anything about automatically mounting devs? like dvd and cdrom?
[04:19] <Ze_M> can anyone tell me the url in where i can see the last kdebase patches?
[04:21] <zommes> what audiodriver should I choose at the Xine Engine Parameters?
[04:24] <zak> is there anyway to get flash to work in a 64bit environment
[04:25] <xwolf-> !rar
[04:25] <ubotu> [rar]  a non-free archive format created by Rarsoft. For instructions on accessing .rar files through the Archive Manager view https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FileCompression
[04:26] <chotchki> hey is there any way to switch a system from 64-bit to 32-bit without wiping the hard disk?
[04:29] <UzzaDead> anyone running xgl on kubuntu here?
[04:32] <Ze_M> can anyone tell where i can find a cvs kubuntu url where the latest patches and modifications are
[04:33] <distanceisdeath> hello
[04:33] <distanceisdeath> how do i install flash onto konqueror?
[04:33] <Hawkwind> distanceisdeath: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/RestrictedFormats#head-f375cba46014e861cd5ec7643bd7c4ef05acff2b
[04:34] <linuxmonkey> Hawkwind you beat me to it
[04:34] <Hawkwind> Though it seems the commands are actually missing from there :(
[04:34] <Hawkwind> linuxmonkey: :P
[04:34] <linuxmonkey> no
[04:34] <Ze_M> Hawkwind: well lets see whos going to poke who in the end ;)
[04:35] <linuxmonkey> actually ill fix it
[04:36] <Hawkwind> linuxmonkey: So I'm not imagining things that the commands are missing ?
[04:36] <linuxmonkey> yeah they are
[04:36] <juanbond> how can i refresh my kmenu entries?
[04:37] <juanbond> sometimes when i install a new app from adept, i need to restart to view my new app in my kmenu...
[04:37] <_nano_> juanbond: open kmenu editor and then save...
[04:37] <UzzaDead> any idea why kubuntu hates me?
[04:38] <_nano_> UzzaDead: did you break its heart?
[04:38] <UzzaDead> not yet :)
[04:38] <Zaire> you got an nvidia lol
[04:38] <juanbond> ahh.. awesome
[04:38] <juanbond> thanks!
[04:38] <UzzaDead> Zaire, i have an nvidia,matrox,ati,s3 the list goes on :)
[04:38] <Zaire> I know it doesn't like my nvidia
[04:38] <Squidman> Hey, whats the IRC client, and the all in one messenger for Kubu>
[04:38] <_nano_> kopete
[04:38] <UzzaDead> kopete
[04:39] <Squidman> Thx
[04:39] <UzzaDead> _nano_,  you wouldnt have any experience with xgl would you :)
[04:39] <linuxmonkey> Hawkwind its  sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
[04:39] <_nano_> UzzaDead: the only experience i had was with running kororra live cd xgl demo ..it worked pretty good on my old radeon 7500 32 mb card
[04:40] <juanbond> are there any extensions for the kmenu?
[04:40] <juanbond> to customize it more?
[04:40] <UzzaDead> wow
[04:40] <_nano_> UzzaDead: and I think aiglx would be better than xgl on my machine, since none of the proprietory drivers support my card
[04:40] <Hawkwind> linuxmonkey: Thanks.  I was looking for that just as distanceisdeath asked about it :)
[04:40] <UzzaDead> what card would that be?
[04:40] <gm> i have some wmv that i can not play, i do have w32codecs installed, is there anything i can do to get them to play?
[04:40] <_nano_> UzzaDead: radeon 7500 32mb
[04:40] <UzzaDead> its not supported by fglrx?
[04:40] <distanceisdeath> does anyone use psx emu's?
[04:40] <_nano_> UzzaDead: nopes...it's for 8500 and above
[04:41] <UzzaDead> damn..
[04:41] <UzzaDead> distanceisdeath, i do sometimes
[04:41] <_nano_> UzzaDead: what's yours?
[04:41] <distanceisdeath> can you help me install it??
[04:41] <UzzaDead> distanceisdeath, probably not
[04:41] <distanceisdeath> okay
[04:41] <distanceisdeath> what did you use?
[04:41] <UzzaDead> _nano_, rage mobility in the laptop and an nvidia 6800 gt on this box
[04:41] <UzzaDead> distanceisdeath, epsxe on gentoo
[04:42] <_john> Hey there, I made a small boo boo. I downloaded the dapper dvd at my buddies and burned it there. But my box here only has a cd player 8^(
[04:42] <UzzaDead> _john, you're screwed
[04:42] <UzzaDead> go download the cd and burn that :)
[04:42] <_nano_> _john: lol
[04:42] <_john> so I guess I have to do an online upgrade to dapper.
[04:42] <_john> cause no burner here
[04:42] <UzzaDead> how does any recent pc not have a burner?
[04:43] <_john> who said it was recent
[04:43] <UzzaDead> if you're running dapper i'd hope its recent :P
[04:43] <_john> ibm netvista 800Mhz
[04:43] <UzzaDead> my 700mhz celeron from hp had a burner :P
[04:43] <_john> way to go IBM
[04:43] <Hawkwind> My 500MHz and 600MHz both have burners :)
[04:44] <_john> thanks man
[04:44] <UzzaDead> lol Hawkwind aint that the truth
[04:44] <_john> gee thats one burner for each of the 10 PIIs in my basement
[04:45] <UzzaDead> my mac had a burner till i ripped it out
[04:45] <_nano_> _john: if you have a good connection, it's always better to do the upgrade online..
[04:45] <UzzaDead> _nano_, you have any clue why when starting compiz kdm restarts?
[04:45] <_john> oh thats good this is a 5MB DSL connection
[04:45] <_john> where do I find the simple online upgrade to dapper links then
[04:46] <Search4Lancer> I keep getting "another process is using the packaging system" whenever I try to run Adept.... however, I know of nothing else using the packaging system, and have already restarted several times without it fixing....
[04:46] <_nano_> UzzaDead: i haven't ever configured aiglx or xgl ...just tried out a live cd first to test whether my graphics card works with it
[04:46] <UzzaDead> shat...
[04:46] <TheHighChild> john you would need to change your repos from breezy to dapper then do a dist-upgrade. I highly suggest AGAINST it though. I've not seen a single person do a successful dist-upgrade yet
[04:46] <UzzaDead> :(
[04:47] <_nano_> UzzaDead: sowweee! :P
[04:47] <Search4Lancer> any ideas?
[04:47] <UzzaDead> #xgl-ubuntu seems dead
[04:47] <UzzaDead> _nano_, not a problem i know someone else had the same problem earlier
[04:47] <UzzaDead> its probably something obscenely simple
[04:47] <TheHighChild> search4lancer do an apt-get update in your konsole and read the output
[04:48] <_nano_> UzzaDead: did you google and stuff?
[04:48] <TheHighChild> search4lancer it should give you a command to try
[04:48] <_john> well ive got this adept thing running here and just did a full update
[04:48] <_john> with kubuntu
[04:48] <UzzaDead> _nano_, first thing i tried :)
[04:49] <_nano_> I know cfraz89 had done a lot on xgl...i don't seem to find him in this channel right now..
[04:49] <_john> so im gonna try what the upgrade instructions from the link above on this konversation
[04:49] <TheHighChild> _john backup everything you absolutely need!!!!
[04:49] <TheHighChild> _john trust me
[04:49] <UzzaDead> damn
[04:49] <UzzaDead> and pray
[04:49] <UzzaDead> dont forget to pray!
[04:49] <TheHighChild> no shiat
[04:49] <UzzaDead> you'll need it lol
[04:50] <TheHighChild> Uzzadead you mess it up too?
[04:50] <UzzaDead> TheHighChild, nah i've got 3x160gb drives
[04:50] <Search4Lancer> E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.
[04:50] <UzzaDead> so i just picked one and installed it to that
[04:50] <Search4Lancer> so I guess I ought to run that, eh? ;-)
[04:50] <UzzaDead> Search4Lancer, maybe ;)
[04:51] <TheHighChild> yeah
[04:51] <TheHighChild> That worked for me an hour ago, tha tis why i asked you to do that ;)
[04:52] <UzzaDead> im waiting for linux to include an option to install on your soul
[04:52] <UzzaDead> and corrupt it when it goes ape shit
[04:52] <TheHighChild> UzzaDead is there an issue with lots of drives? My buddy has 4 SATA drives and he's impaired because ofit
[04:52] <UzzaDead> i doubt fsck would fix that lol
[04:52] <UzzaDead> TheHighChild, cant say i'm having any issues
[04:52] <UzzaDead> im doing 2xATA and 1xSATA
[04:52] <linuxmonkey> Hawkwind check it now
[04:53] <UzzaDead> i've got my fourth which is removable removed right now
[04:53] <TheHighChild> UzzaDead oh, my bad. Seemed like you had issues
[04:53] <UzzaDead> lol i've got more issues than we could count but my most current one is with xgl
[04:54] <Hawkwind> linuxmonkey: Looks good.  Many thanks for fixing that :)
[04:54] <UzzaDead> at least kubuntu isnt as big a pain as gentoo when something goes wrong
[04:54] <linuxmonkey> yeah the package name was there but was hard to understand
[04:55] <TheHighChild> When I did a dist-upgrade, everything worked great afterwards until I did a reboot. Then it couldn't locate any of my drivers. read rather, they were all there.
[04:55] <UzzaDead> odd
[04:55] <UzzaDead> im tempted to install 5.10 and try it myself
[04:55] <TheHighChild> not any but any tha tmattered. i am running a laptop (IBM T42) and all of the special stuffs I had for that were messed up.
[04:56] <Search4Lancer> I've been having a habit of getting errors in Adept saying "couldn't do such and such, possibly such and such, or the commit would break packages"
[04:56] <UzzaDead> TheHighChild,  specs?
[04:56] <_john> woow all those very encouraging comments for the upgrade process
[04:56] <TheHighChild> UzzaDead 1.7 2 MB L2, 512 MB, Radeon 7500. Nothing fancy
[04:57] <UzzaDead> i hate you :(
[04:57] <TheHighChild> _john you don't even want to know man
[04:57] <TheHighChild> _john my bro does development for some folks working on debian. He did a dist-upgrade and it was messed up even beyond his own repair. He went back to debian this AM
[04:58] <Search4Lancer> "There was an error commiting changes. Possibly there was a problem downloading some packages or the commit would break packages."
[04:58] <Search4Lancer> been happening for about 2 weeks now
[04:58] <TheHighChild> UzzaDead you'd hate to hear the specs on my homePC
[04:58] <TheHighChild> Search4Lancer try the install with apt-get on the command line and see what packages are causing the trouble. it should offer output
[04:59] <_nano_> TheHighChild: wohooo..you have radeon 7500 as well?
[04:59] <_john> debian is not ubuntu
[04:59] <TheHighChild> _nano_ yeah
[04:59] <_john> even the upgrade scenario is a tad different
[04:59] <_nano_> TheHighChild: let's wait for a few more years, we might sell our cards for antique value :D
[04:59] <TheHighChild> _john I know, he was running Kubuntu for something different on his laptop. I was just saying that he's not stupid.
[04:59] <UzzaDead> TheHighChild, tell me the specs :)
[05:00] <_john> sharp is a good thing im sometimes a tad konfused but generally not stupid either but
[05:00] <Search4Lancer> TheHighChild: I know what package it is, it's not one that I'm currently trying to install or update.... I just tried using apt-get to remove it, and got a boat of errors
[05:00] <Search4Lancer> !pastebin
[05:00] <_john> I still dont like manual interventions
[05:00] <ubotu> Please do not flood the channel http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/ for pasting long texts it does not disrupt the channel. [webboard for Ubuntu: http://www.gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=1269 : not an offical package] .
[05:00] <TheHighChild> UzzaDead AMD64 x2 4000, 2 GB OCZ HP RAM, Nvidia 6800 Ultra
[05:00] <_john> nice
[05:00] <UzzaDead> TheHighChild, you just made my hit list, i'd start looking for a casket
[05:00] <_john> TheHighChild: can you send me one of those
[05:01] <TheHighChild> lol. it's nice and it gets the job done. I don't think the performance on the Raptor drive is up to par though
[05:01] <UzzaDead> TheHighChild, my specs are AMD64 X1 3500+ 2gb ultra HP ram in dual channel nvidia 6800 gt>ultra and 3x160gb drives with a 60gb removable
[05:02] <Search4Lancer> TheHighChild, and whoever else cares: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15169     ....is there a way through Konquerer to remove this package manually(you know, like deleting it)?
[05:02] <_Deviant_> Is there anyone else in here having problems with Dapper not mounting cd and dvd drives?
[05:03] <Search4Lancer> nope
[05:03] <_john> well im a tad adventurous so the commit changes has begun
[05:03] <TheHighChild> Search4Lancer did you install tha twith Automatix?
[05:04] <TheHighChild> UzzaDead nice rig man. Very nice. However the gt<Ultra
[05:04] <Search4Lancer> I install everything with Adept
[05:04] <UzzaDead> TheHighChild, by that i mean my gt was made into an ultra :)
[05:05] <UzzaDead> im still trying to buy my soul back...
[05:05] <TheHighChild> UzzaDead nice!
[05:05] <UzzaDead> yep :D
[05:05] <_john> well already at 13%
[05:05] <UzzaDead> brb
[05:06] <blanky> howcome when i installed kubuntu-desktop, my lipstick theme (I think it's lipstick...or keramik? the new one), the x button is a bit further to the right :(
[05:06] <TheHighChild> _john it should do the upgrade fine. I've not seen any problems with the upgrade process itself
[05:06] <UzzaDead> :D
[05:06] <UzzaDead> still trying to get this xgl thing going damnit
[05:07] <Search4Lancer> TheHighChild, I found several files with the name of the problem package.... could I just delete them?
[05:08] <MasterEvilAce> whenever i launch an application and move the mouse, the mouse leaves trails
[05:08] <MasterEvilAce> anyway to fix?
[05:08] <_john> TheHighChild: how bout after reboot ?
[05:08] <TheHighChild> Search4Lancer if they were installed using adept or apt-get it could mess up it's database. I would not suggest it. Instead, post in the ubuntuforums.org and see if someone there can assist
[05:09] <TheHighChild> _john That's when all the problems happen. At least for me. Give it a shot though but like I said, BACKUP!!!
[05:10] <UzzaDead> clicked that cursed file again, crashes kdm :)
[05:10] <_john> TheHighChild: must be all that crazy gear ya have
[05:10] <TheHighChild> _john it was my laptop, not my PC that had the trouble
[05:10] <UzzaDead> TheHighChild, got an experience with wifi on that laptop :)
[05:10] <UzzaDead> any^
[05:11] <TheHighChild> UzzaDead oh yes. It works but I don't know how. LOL. I just tried everything I knew until it did.
[05:11] <UzzaDead> i cant for the life of me get wifi going on mine
[05:11] <TheHighChild> UzzaDead I haven't played with wifi on Dapper but I'll try and let you know
[05:11] <UzzaDead> i couldnt get it going on 5.10 or 6.06
[05:11] <TheHighChild> UzzaDead I think I am using the Mad Wifi drivers as they support Atheros
[05:12] <UzzaDead> im not even sure what chipset mine uses...
[05:12] <UzzaDead> i dont even think d-link knows
[05:12] <TheHighChild> UzzaDead that would be important to do
[05:12] <UzzaDead> well the .inf is name NETPRISM.inf
[05:12] <UzzaDead> so im gonna assume its one of the prism chipsets
[05:12] <TheHighChild> What card do you have?
[05:13] <UzzaDead> D-Link DWL-650 REV P
[05:13] <UzzaDead> P1 actually
[05:16] <bal> I've just installed kubuntu, for the first time, and i would like to change it to ubuntu/gnome. I have tried 'sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop' allready, and nothing happened
[05:16] <james_xxx> has anyone here messed around much with simplyMEPIS?
[05:16] <bal> Any help would be great, thanks!
[05:16] <judgen> bal have you selected to use gonme at login?
[05:16] <bal> how do i do that?
[05:17] <judgen> when the login screen appears you have some widgets you can click and choose gnome from
[05:17] <judgen> session type
[05:17] <bal> ok, ill try that
[05:17] <dr_willis> james_xxx,  used it enough to not like it. :P does that count?
[05:18] <james_xxx> you can have KDE, xfce, GNOME, etc etc all on one comp and just choose which you want at login, correct?
[05:18] <Qrawl> !java
[05:18] <ubotu> To install Java/Sun Java see Java on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats and also see !javadebs
[05:18] <dr_willis> james_xxx,  i do all the time. :P
[05:18] <dr_willis> james_xxx,  i had perhaps 20 different window mnagers set up once.
[05:18] <james_xxx> dr_willis: i would be interested in knowing what your feelings were about mepis
[05:19] <dr_willis> james_xxx,  it had a few neat things.. but nothing that made it outstanding. and the support forums/wikis/channels were lacking compared to ubuntu.
[05:19] <james_xxx> dr_willis: have you had enlightenment set-up with ubuntu?
[05:19] <Search4Lancer> my external drive is ticking like a clock.... I doubt it's about to detonate, but it is making Thunderbird freeze and impossible to use
[05:19] <dr_willis> james_xxx,  on and off i toy with enlightment.
[05:19] <Hawkwind> I have E17 setup on Kubuntu currently
[05:19] <dr_willis> enlightment - had no real features that made me more productive. :)
[05:19] <Hawkwind> Compile it from CVS and update it daily
[05:19] <bal> judgen: i have 'default' 'KDE' and 'failsafe' , and default is KDE
[05:19] <james_xxx> Hawkwind: awesome
[05:20] <dr_willis> bal,  use alt-ctrl-backspace to force the X server to restart and kdm should restart and reread its configs and show the new items. (odd that its not showing them however)
[05:20] <james_xxx> dr_willis: i am likely to remain a KDE fan for a long time, but i like to experiment
[05:21] <barros_> hi.. i'm trying to compile a vanilla kernel, but I'm having some problems. when the system boots, I dont get that splash screen and get a message complaining about modules.dep (no such file or directory), but it exists..
[05:21] <barros_> any hints?
[05:21] <thompa> i always start with ubuntu but end up in kde
[05:22] <james_xxx> i had a weird situation going on where i think gdm and kdm were fighting with each other
[05:22] <james_xxx> no joke
[05:22] <UzzaDead> who won?
[05:22] <james_xxx> i reformatted today
[05:22] <dr_willis> james_xxx,  heh - the way they work - ive never seen that happen,
[05:22] <thompa> kde 3.5.3 running good here, loads faster
[05:22] <james_xxx> kdm one because i reinstalled
[05:22] <dr_willis> I sort of perfer the gdm, but kdm is ok. :P
[05:22] <UzzaDead> thompa, how can i check my kde version :)
[05:22] <dr_willis> not gotten to kde 3.5 yet.
[05:22] <thompa> it was faster than gnome before, now kde is even faster more
[05:22] <thompa> right click on menu
[05:23] <james_xxx> dr_willis: that is why you have not seen them fight.... after my 3.5.3 upgrade there were some issues
[05:23] <thompa> panel menu: help: about
[05:23] <UzzaDead> thanks
[05:23] <james_xxx> i am back to 3.5.2 now
[05:23] <thompa> did you reboot?
[05:23] <dr_willis> james_xxx,  heh.
[05:24] <thompa> my only minor complain is koffice should be there
[05:24] <thompa> maybe without openoffice even
[05:25] <Qrawl> whats the advantage of KOffice
[05:25] <denver1>  what web page could i go to and check if java is installed and working on my system?
[05:25] <james_xxx> dr_willis: others experienced the same problems i did,,, my screen savers quit working.. and i eventually lost my accelerated 3D graphic (i do not know for sure that this was related to 3.5.3 problems, though)
[05:25] <thompa> i guess i should learn some openoffice,
[05:25] <Qrawl> you can install KOFfice
[05:26] <thompa> koffice just seems easier for some basic stuff
[05:26] <UzzaDead> james_xxx, how can i upgrade to the latest kde?
[05:26] <UzzaDead> and do i want to..
[05:26] <thompa> !kubuntu
[05:26] <ubotu> methinks kubuntu is Ubuntu+KDE  ; see http://kubuntu.org and you can go to #kubuntu for KDE-related help, or install from Ubuntu: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop; ISOs: http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/breezy/
[05:26] <dr_willis> Ive been having issues with CUPS lately
[05:26] <james_xxx> dr_willis: i had just wondered if MEPIS supported media better.... DVD viewing, streaming from the net, etc..... they claim that is all supposed to be included with MEPIS
[05:26] <thompa> just og to web site instructions for kde upgrade are there
[05:26] <r0xz> i managed to set the workbar with greyed out icons, the was after installing a style i downloaded. Is there a way to set such thing by hand without installing a whole style? I ask because i don't want the other changes which i don't seem to get rid off.
[05:26] <_john> hmmmmm welll i let you know after reboot
[05:27] <dr_willis> james_xxx,  mepis tends to make a lot of claime. :P
[05:27] <thompa> i had a problem with one upgrade repository though
[05:27] <bal> sorry, i can't remember who i was talking to, but the alt+ctrl+backspace , didnt achive anything extra
[05:27] <dr_willis> claims.
[05:27] <james_xxx> UzzaDead: just go to the www.kubuntu.org and the instructions are there
[05:27] <bal> i think it was james_xxx
[05:27] <UzzaDead> thanks
[05:27] <dr_willis> james_xxx,  install it and see.. but from what i used of it. its features in some areas.. are offset by annoyances in others.
[05:27] <james_xxx> dr_willis: i would not be surprised
[05:28] <dr_willis> james_xxx,  the whole thing had a bit too much "hype" around it.
[05:28] <james_xxx> i see
[05:28] <james_xxx> i have the simplyMEPIS live CD for the latest release, but i have not yet played with it much
[05:28] <Qrawl> the founder of Ubuntu uses Kubuntu
[05:29] <Desh> Hi, I updated to Kubuntu on my latop but now ndiswrapper will now work. The drivers are still installed and ndiswrapper reports them as being fine, but the problem arises when I try to connect. Apparently, iwconfig does not see wlan0, my wlan card. I thought that using modprobe ndiswrapper would work, but when I try that it says that the operation is not permitted. Any ideas?
[05:29] <Qrawl> Linus Torvalds uses KDE
[05:29] <thompa> i though my fonts were messed up at first, but i had nvidia-settings turned up for vibrance
[05:29] <UzzaDead> i think i broke adept lol
[05:29] <james_xxx> i like KDE way better than GNOME, but of course it's all preference. i think we have all heard what linus torvald thinks of GNOME lol
[05:29] <Qrawl> lol
[05:30] <Qrawl> is GNOME faster
[05:30] <james_xxx> qrawl, not in my opinion
[05:30] <TheHighChild> Stallman still uses the ole' chisel and stone tablet, lol
[05:30] <james_xxx> TheHighChild: that is stallman for ya
[05:30] <Qrawl> I lost my writing callous long ago
[05:30] <UzzaDead> brb
[05:30] <thompa> mac people like gnome more
[05:30] <Qrawl> oh
[05:31] <thompa> but i can even use mac
[05:31] <thompa> cant
[05:31] <Qrawl> Mac people are different than normal people though
[05:31] <Qrawl> ok sorry
[05:31] <Qrawl> offtopic
[05:31] <thompa> like fatter
[05:31] <Desh> Anyone know how to get ndiswrapper to work on Dapper?
[05:31] <james_xxx> GNOME has its place... in fact i think i am going to go ahead and instal gnome tonight , so that i have it when i'm in the mood
[05:31] <dr_willis> I got a mac.. in the basement.. not even hooked up. :P
[05:31] <james_xxx> dr_willis: put kubuntu on it
[05:32] <thompa> ipod shows all the linux files
[05:32] <thompa> it has two shortcuts in kubuntu pop up
[05:32] <qalimas> Hey guys, I'd like to get started with programming, but don't know where to being.  I can currently write programs in Gambas, VB6, and PHP, but I'd like to learn maybe Phython and how to make a QT GUI for a python program, or maybe even Ruby.  Any places to start (I'd like a place that also has docs on making a GUI front end)?
[05:32] <james_xxx> i was looking at KDE screen shot on a site tonight, and i saw where a guy with MEPIS had his desktop looking JUST like OS X
[05:32] <thompa> the mac part of my ipod wont even boot anymore
[05:33] <judgen> james_xxx why do you want that?
[05:33] <Qrawl> qalimas, for Ruby theres pretty much one main book
[05:33] <thompa> james_xxx: id like to see that
[05:33] <judgen> ubuntu beats osx handsdown in almost everything
[05:34] <thompa> one guy i know switched from mac to ubuntu anyway
[05:34] <judgen> and plastik is just beautiful compared to brushed
[05:34] <Desh> Can anyone help me get ndiswrapper on dapper?
[05:34] <dr_willis> james_xxx,  its allready onhere. :) i needed xp for some tasks..  now i can jot down all these idiotic windows problems to throw at people. :P
[05:34] <judgen> as well as there are very few apps for mac
[05:34] <qalimas> Does it explain how to make the GUI frontend as well?>
[05:34] <judgen> and poor amount of drivers (unless you buy a whole mac)
[05:34] <thompa> the only problem with PPC was the ipod automount
[05:34] <james_xxx> judgen: i didn't say i wanted it lol, although i do like the look of OS X... i was just amused to see it
[05:35] <judgen> aaah
[05:35] <judgen> sorry
[05:35] <thompa> you have to still edit fstab a few times
[05:35] <TheHighChild> OSX could barrel, but it doesn't
[05:35] <judgen> i would like a complete "human" theme for kde though, complete with icon-set, decorator, colortheme, fonts and all that other goodies
[05:36] <judgen> the performance of the osx kernel is an atorcity
[05:36] <judgen> atrocity
[05:36] <james_xxx> i had considered buying a new mac mini and having OS X, XP, and Linux all on one machine
[05:36] <thompa> astro-city
[05:36] <james_xxx> then i got a grip...
[05:36] <james_xxx> lol
[05:36] <judgen> osx performs at best 50% of realtime operations compared to linux and even less compared to solaris
[05:37] <thompa> the new dua core is real fast i thought
[05:37] <judgen> even windows beat osx
[05:37] <TheHighChild> All I really have to say is at least updates to OSX work, lol
[05:37] <dr_willis> You dont want to know some of the problems ive had with OS-X
[05:37] <judgen> thompa having a fast cpu is no excuse for having bad and slow software
[05:37] <dr_willis> all i can say - its no better or worse then many of the other OS's :P it has problems.. they all do
[05:37] <james_xxx> dr_willis: OS X has frustrated me before
[05:37] <TheHighChild> I know. OSX is horrible in a networked environment.
[05:38] <thompa> and once the spyware sets in in windows
[05:38] <james_xxx> but then so has linux
[05:38] <dr_willis> right now i am Ticked at the Windows/Acrobat reader im trying to install..
[05:38] <TheHighChild> I think we can all agree that Windows is teh sux0r
[05:38] <TheHighChild> Probably why half of us are here ;)
[05:38] <Desh> :(
[05:38] <judgen> i mean, i could run windows 95 on my quad opteron rig, but i prefer something that does not suck the rear end of an donky, i mean the cpus are sure fast, but still
[05:38] <dr_willis> Stupud Acribat reader. you Cant download 'the program" you have to use their downloader tool.. which whenit fails to download the program self destructs it seems
[05:39] <Desh> Why won't it let em modprobe ndiswrapper?
[05:39] <Desh> *me
[05:39] <thompa> i think that some mac users are here too, more than usual
[05:39] <james_xxx> hey , i have been ready to kill k/x/ubuntu at times too, they all have their shortcomings. i am not going to be totally abandoning windows any time soon, howver i am using it less and less
[05:39] <judgen> TheHighChild ever tried adminitering an xserve?
[05:39] <TheHighChild> I bet Ubuntu on a Mac is awesome! I mean, with a very restricted driver-base, a lot fewer problems occur
[05:40] <TheHighChild> judgen yeah with 10.2 server. Teh Nightmare!
[05:40] <judgen> yeah
[05:40] <TheHighChild> I cannot imagine any server OS worse than 10.2
[05:40] <judgen> panther sux0r3d my b4llz
[05:40] <james_xxx> LOL
[05:40] <thompa> we have suse 9.3 on the server here
[05:40] <judgen> TheHighChild windows 95?
[05:40] <james_xxx> and tiger , too?
[05:40] <TheHighChild> Granted, i was a total newb when doing it but the Docs were horrible and NOTHING worked as advertised. Looked nice though. lol
[05:40] <Desh> Does anyone knw how I can force a modprovbe?
[05:40] <Desh> *modprobe
[05:40] <TheHighChild> Server OS?
[05:40] <bal> thanks for the help
[05:41] <thompa> just because the manuals were free
[05:42] <judgen> TheHighChild win 95 is famous for so many features 1. no multithreading. 2. no multitasking 3. no symmetric multi processing 4. no amount of ram larger than 512mb 5. no ram left after running more than an hour 6. nice builtin bug wich reboots the system every 49th day. I mean who could not love suc a system as server os
[05:42] <Desh> Ok, why would modprobing ndiswrapper not be allowed?
[05:43] <judgen> Desh forgot to sudo ? =P
[05:43] <TheHighChild> judgen but back in the day, it was acceptable. Honestly, win95 pretty much kicked up the whole home PC market. it may have sucked but it did what it needed to do on the home end, as for it as a Server OS. I have no idea
[05:43] <Desh> I am logged as root.
[05:43] <Desh> judgen: Even as root it won't allow it
[05:43] <judgen> TheHighChild nt4 was microsofts best os ever
[05:44] <james_xxx> what was linux like back in the days of Win95... was there a desktop yet?
[05:44] <judgen> fast, smp, no actual limits, small, cheap
[05:44] <TheHighChild> james_xxx yeah Red Hat 5? was back then or smething
[05:44] <james_xxx> TheHighChild: that early?
[05:45] <judgen> james_xxx concidering the time since mr.torvalds started (1991) to now is 14 years or so whilst msft has been in buissness since the 70s
[05:45] <ron_> Can anyone help me with a problem with konqueror toolbars and file menu?
[05:45] <james_xxx> judgen: yep
[05:46] <hupp3l> sorry i tried looking for a tutorial to install bcm43xx driver but can someone please show me to a tutorial to install it
[05:46] <hupp3l> i dont want to use ndiswrapper
[05:46] <james_xxx> if i install gnome on this kubuntu machine, KDE will still be the default , won't it?
[05:47] <TheHighChild> james_xxx googled a bit but couldn't find anything great. I know Xwindows has been around for a long time though
[05:47] <james_xxx> TheHighChild: yeah, i just don't know how widely linux was being used yet back in '95
[05:48] <judgen> TheHighChild xserver was used as long ago as on xerox machines
[05:48] <judgen> james_xxx back then we had minix and sco-unix to play with and they more than sufficed for our needs
[05:48] <TheHighChild> james_xxx well, how widely used is it today. Still not much.
[05:48] <james_xxx> but you do need to consider linux to be an outgrowth of unix as everyone knows
[05:48] <TheHighChild> For the desktop
[05:49] <hupp3l> lo?
[05:49] <judgen> james_xxx no, linux is not a fork, only inpired by unix
[05:49] <TheHighChild> james_xxx outgrowth? I wouldn't agree with that assessment. I'd say that it was inspired but not an outgrowth. For that, there needs to be some of the same.
[05:49] <james_xxx> judgen: i see... i am still learning about older OS's
[05:49] <james_xxx> inspired is a better was to say it
[05:49] <james_xxx> i agree
[05:50] <thompa> im going to try fluxbox
[05:50] <judgen> james_xxx and unix costed from 120 000$ and upwards so, when linux cam along as replacement we all (who earlier pirated unix) jumped on the bandwagon
[05:50] <james_xxx> $120.000?!?!?!
[05:50] <judgen> yup
[05:50] <TheHighChild> per CPU
[05:50] <james_xxx> ach du meine gte...
[05:51] <hupp3l> there is an essential package i must get to use commands like make and make install can someone show me the way real quick or just the basic name
[05:51] <judgen> TheHighChild depends if you were an "educational purpose"
[05:51] <judgen> then you could get a multicpu for the same price
[05:52] <TheHighChild> I am way out of my league with you Judgen. I'm WAY too young for that stuffs but I've read a good number of timelines ;)
[05:52] <judgen> hupp3l glibc?
[05:52] <hupp3l> nvm got it
[05:52] <hupp3l> build-essential
[05:52] <judgen> yup
[05:52] <pussfeller> why wont my kcontrol display module load
[05:52] <pussfeller> after my upgrade
[05:53] <judgen> well im going outside to get a bit smoked =P i have been up for 49 hours straight
[05:53] <TheHighChild> nice, take care bro
[05:54] <Qrawl> display where
[05:54] <Qrawl> it's best to add Settings to your menu
[05:54] <pussfeller> the screen rex thingee
[05:54] <pussfeller> rez thingee in kde
[05:54] <Qrawl> oh
[05:55] <pussfeller> not the one in xorg
[05:55] <TheHighChild> Anyone know how to get rid of the firefox dialog boxes that ALWAYS ask about encrypted pages?
[05:55] <Qrawl> it doesnt always ask
[05:55] <Qrawl> it asks like 2 times
[05:56] <Qrawl> My KControl Monitor adjustment module is working
[05:56] <pussfeller> altho, if i can figure out how to make my moniter 1024.768 and my tv from twinview 640x400 that would work, even in xorg
[05:56] <Qrawl> You looked in Peripherals?
[05:56] <Qrawl> of KControl
[05:56] <pussfeller> in breezy tho, i had it set in kde to change the rez and then the tv was fine
[05:56] <pussfeller> yeah, the module wont load
[05:56] <pussfeller> it says might be an old one laying around
[05:57] <judgen> pussfeller do a "sudo apt-get -f install kdebase"
[05:58] <pussfeller> it is uptodate judgen
[05:58] <judgen> hmm
[06:00] <balld> Can someone give me the name of the program similar to gkrellm that displays cpu/procs/temps, etc..?
[06:01] <balld> (to the desktop)
[06:01] <pussfeller> Option "MetaModes"                "1280x1024,1024x768; 1024x768,1024x768; 640x400, 640x400"
[06:01] <Hawkwind> balld: torcs, superkaramba ?
[06:01] <pussfeller> you mean superkaramba
[06:02] <pussfeller> gdesklets even
[06:02] <judgen> pussfeller tried removing the kcontroll settings file?
[06:02] <pussfeller> hmm
[06:02] <Qrawl> tj9991, hav you looked at Python
[06:02] <balld> Ok, let me google those, I thought it was named different...been a while since I read about it in Linux Format.
[06:02] <balld> Thank you
[06:03] <judgen> pussfeller /home/%username%/.kde/share/config/kcontrol
[06:03] <Hawkwind> balld: torcs used to have another name but I can't recall it a the moment
[06:04] <balld> Ok H, I appreciate that
[06:04] <lnxKDE> :D
[06:04] <Hawkwind> Hmmm, maybe it's not torcs either
[06:04] <Hawkwind> It starts with a t though I think
[06:04] <lnxKDE> someone here is using pentium EMT64? on kubuntu 64?
[06:04] <balld> lol
[06:05] <Qrawl> is Python good for Kubuntu scripting
[06:05] <pussfeller> File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/displayconfig.py", line 1677, in create_displayconfig
[06:05] <pussfeller> its a script error
[06:05] <pussfeller> well evidently python is the backend to kcontrol
[06:05] <Qrawl> I know. that was just a coincidence
[06:06] <Qrawl> maybe you should do a fresh install
[06:06] <Qrawl> upgrades are messy
[06:06] <pussfeller> ack
[06:06] <pussfeller> i started using ubuntu to get away from messy
[06:07] <balld> <---always does fresh installs, 0% luck on upgrades
[06:08] <Hawkwind> balld: torsmo
[06:08] <threat> afternoon
[06:09] <balld> ty H, that's it I believe.  Works under KDE, right?
[06:09] <pussfeller> this seems to be teh last major thingee, getting my tv out to work like it used to
[06:09] <Hawkwind> balld: Works under any wm/de most certainly
[06:09] <Hawkwind> balld: I've run it under fluxbox, E17 and others
[06:09] <balld> Woohoo!
[06:09] <pussfeller> and then my logitech elite keyboard, which works in gnome
[06:09] <kakalto> is it possible to mount a cd image, then add it as a source for apt?
[06:09] <pussfeller> where is the gnome congifureation dir
[06:10] <kosh> hmm I have been doing continuous upgrades on debian based systems since I switched to sid about 6 years ago
[06:10] <kosh> live switched it to kubuntu breezy and then to dapper :)
[06:11] <balld> Heck, I used to be an old Mandrake fan(Mandriva now) then switched to Suse 9.3 and 10.0 until my WPA didn't work out of the box in 10.1, now I'm hooked on Kubuntu
[06:13] <pussfeller> this upgrade was relatively painless actually
[06:15] <Hawkwind> balld: I'm still using Mandriva as my main OS.  I run the http://SeerOfSouls.com/ website but will be switching to Kubuntu as my main os very very soon
[06:16] <Hawkwind> I'm running Kubuntu on a spare box now, and loving it
[06:18] <balld> Awsome! btw, the name I was thinking of was "conky" which is based off of torsmo
[06:18] <lnxKDE> someone here knows how to patch the kernel
[06:18] <lnxKDE> and I am getting this
[06:19] <lnxKDE> patch -p1 /media/media-hd/kernel-source/linux-2.6.16.20 /media/media-hd/kernel-source/patch-2.6.17-rc6
[06:19] <lnxKDE> patch: **** File /media/media-hd/kernel-source/linux-2.6.16.20 is not a regular file -- can't patch
[06:19] <lnxKDE> lnxkde@lnxkde-desktop:~$
[06:19] <balld> Hawkwind, I've got it on both of my laptops(Kubuntu) and no problems yet...even though I did have to enable the repositories on one of them because I wasn't networked at the time, took about 5 min. to figure out why no updates. But other than that, no problems
[06:20] <Hawkwind> balld: Ahh yes, conky is the new name I couldn't remember
[06:20] <balld> :)
[06:22] <RavenTest> Where is the hardware setting located? So you can change sound card drivers etc
[06:22] <zblach> hi. what
[06:23] <zblach> 're the fstab settings to automatically mount a fat32 partition on boot with no permission errors?
[06:24] <zblach> !fat32
[06:24] <ubotu> Download and run http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/diskmounter to make your windows or mac partitions mount automatically.  If you wish to set it up yourself by hand, read: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions
[06:30] <james_xxx> i have installed a number of packages from adept that just do not show up in my menus... how do i correct this... or even access these programs
[06:31] <Hawkwind> james_xxx: Try running kmenu or whatever it is and click on save ?
[06:31] <james_xxx> ty
[06:31] <frank_> how would I make kaffeine play with 5% more brightness permanently?
[06:31] <Hawkwind> james_xxx: Sorry, kmenuedit
[06:31] <frank_> now I need to set it everytime I open kaffeine
[06:34] <frank_> james_xxx: try run kbuildsycoca in a terminal.
[06:35] <frank_> james_xxx: note that not all programs you install with adept will have links in the menu setup for you
[06:36] <judgen> im off to bed before i go to work
[06:36] <judgen> gnite everyone
[06:43] <james_xxx> frank_: ty
[06:44] <james_xxx> how does one change "themes" in KDE?
[06:46] <Hawkwind> james_xxx: kcontrol
[06:46] <nocloud> does anybody know how i log in as root through the konsole?
[06:46] <Hawkwind> james_xxx: You'll want Look & Feel IIRC
[06:46] <Hawkwind> nocloud: You use sudo
[06:46] <Hawkwind> nocloud: sudo apt-get install <package> and it will prompt you for the password
[06:46] <nocloud> thanks
[06:47] <Hawkwind> nocloud: No problem
[06:47] <james_xxx> ty Hawkwind
[06:47] <Hawkwind> james_xxx: You're welcome
[06:54] <Desh> Where is thndiswrapper intructions?
[06:54] <Desh> the ndiswrapper*
[06:54] <Hawkwind> !ndiswrapper
[06:54] <ubotu> from memory, ndiswrapper is a way to support Windows wireless drivers, but it is buggy compared to native support. More info at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WifiDocs/Driver/Ndiswrapper
[06:55] <Desh> Thanks.
[06:55] <Hawkwind> No problem
[06:56] <Desh> Has anyone gotten ndiswrapper working on Dapper?
[06:57] <Desh> After the update ndiswrapper and my sound died.
[06:57] <ChefWill> Desh: what kind of wifi you have?
[06:57] <Desh> It's Wireless G, builtin to the laptop.
[06:57] <ChefWill> broadcom?
[06:57] <Desh> Yes.
[06:58] <Desh> I have the corret drivers that worked before.
[06:58] <Desh> *correct
[06:58] <frank_> james_xxx: did it work?
[06:58] <ChefWill> its cause dapper has an integrated broadcom driver now so theres a conflict
[06:58] <ChefWill> you have to disable the drivers that come bundled with dapper
[06:58] <james_xxx> frank_: yep, that is what i was looking for
[06:58] <Desh> No no, but the problem is, that I cannot modprobe ndiswrapper
[06:58] <Desh> How would I do that?
[06:59] <james_xxx> good night all, thanks for the help frank_
[06:59] <frank_> james_xxx: that is definitely a bug though. I'll check if its been reported. I had that happen
[06:59] <balld> gn
[06:59] <ChefWill> Desh:  do this first: echo 'blacklist bcm43xx' | sudo tee -a /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
[07:00] <Desh> Ok, now what?
[07:00] <ChefWill> now:
[07:00] <ChefWill> sudo rmmod bcm43xx
[07:00] <ChefWill> then sudo rmmod ndiswrapper
[07:00] <ChefWill> then sudo modprobe ndiswrapper
[07:00] <Desh> ERROR: Module bcm43xx does not exist in /proc/modules
[07:00] <Desh> ERROR: Module ndiswrapper does not exist in /proc/modules
[07:01] <ChefWill> did you uninstall ndiswrapper?
[07:01] <Desh> Yes.
[07:01] <ChefWill> oh
[07:01] <Desh> SHould I install it from Adept?
[07:01] <ChefWill> well now reinstall it as normal
[07:01] <Desh> Or apt-get
[07:01] <ChefWill> and it should work
[07:01] <ChefWill> doesnt matter
[07:01] <Desh> Hmm..ok...
[07:01] <Desh> Let's hope so..
[07:01] <ChefWill> the echo command is what you needed
[07:01] <Desh> Ah ok, thanks.
[07:01] <ChefWill> cause the driver that is bundled with dapper is conflicting with the one you installed
[07:02] <Desh> And that's why I couldn't modprobe it?
[07:02] <ChefWill> basically
[07:02] <Desh> Well, let's hope this works..
[07:02] <ChefWill> should
[07:03] <Desh> ndiswrapper-utils is what i want, right?
[07:03] <Desh> I hava that, source, and ndisgtk installed.
[07:03] <ChefWill> yea
[07:03] <_john> oh my
[07:03] <Desh> ERROR: Module ndiswrapper does not exist in /proc/modules
[07:03] <_john> its back
[07:03] <ChefWill> you gotta install ndiswrapper
[07:04] <ChefWill> !ndiswrapper
[07:04] <ubotu> from memory, ndiswrapper is a way to support Windows wireless drivers, but it is buggy compared to native support. More info at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WifiDocs/Driver/Ndiswrapper
[07:04] <Desh> I did.
[07:04] <_john> but no mp3 in firefox?
[07:04] <ChefWill> you sure?
[07:04] <ChefWill> type "whereis ndiswrapper" and paste output
[07:05] <_rince_> mrgn
[07:05] <Desh> ndiswrapper: /usr/sbin/ndiswrapper /etc/ndiswrapper /usr/share/man/man8/ndiswrapper.8 /usr/share/man/man8/ndiswrapper.8.gz
[07:05] <ChefWill> ok so it should be installed
[07:05] <hupp3l> hey can someone help me real quick, I think it is a basic Q
[07:05] <ChefWill> now do you have the driver installed?
[07:05] <Desh> Yes
[07:05] <hupp3l> I have a script called netup (it is just a basic text file i made in kate)
[07:05] <Hawkwind> hupp3l: Just ask your question and it's possible someone can/will
[07:06] <ChefWill> what is the output of ndiswrapper -l
[07:06] <hupp3l> i copied it to /bin
[07:06] <Desh> bcmwl5          driver present, hardware present
[07:06] <hupp3l> but now if i try to run it it says command not found
[07:06] <ChefWill> k
[07:06] <Desh> Should I try installing ndiswrapper from source?
[07:06] <ChefWill> desh: sudo depmod -a
[07:07] <Desh> Same.
[07:07] <ChefWill> ?
[07:07] <ChefWill> whats it say
[07:07] <Desh> Nothing, but when I do modprobe it says module not found.
[07:07] <ChefWill> sudo modprobe ndiswrapper
[07:08] <Desh> root@Hotwax:~# sudo depmod -a
[07:08] <Desh> root@Hotwax:~# modprobe ndiswrapper
[07:08] <Desh> FATAL: Module ndiswrapper not found.
[07:08] <Desh> >_<
[07:08] <scanner> Goodmorning :o)
[07:08] <hupp3l> hi
[07:08] <balld> Hello
[07:09] <scanner> Linux it's really something cool
[07:09] <scanner> :o)
[07:09] <Hawkwind> hupp3l: Is it a bash script ?
[07:09] <scanner> ??
[07:09] <hupp3l> i think so
[07:09] <scanner> What?
[07:09] <scanner> A bash script?
[07:09] <Hawkwind> hupp3l: Did you chmod +x netup first ?
[07:09] <ChefWill> Desh: one sec
[07:09] <balld> previous conversation scanner(disregard please)
[07:09] <hupp3l> no i didnt
[07:09] <Hawkwind> hupp3l: Or chmod +x /path/to/netup
[07:09] <scanner> Hey people
[07:09] <Hawkwind> hupp3l: You need to do that
[07:10] <hupp3l> iso i do that?
[07:10] <Hawkwind> hupp3l: Will it run as normal user or sudo ?
[07:10] <hupp3l> sudo
[07:10] <hupp3l> its to get my network up
[07:10] <Hawkwind> hupp3l: sudo chmod +x /path/to/netup
[07:10] <Hawkwind> Supply the full path to where the script is
[07:11] <scanner> Have someone a problem with console if you press CTRL+ALT+1....6
[07:11] <scanner> ?
[07:11] <scanner> :-(
[07:11] <hupp3l> so when i do that i still need to type sudo netup right?
[07:11] <Hawkwind> hupp3l: Correct
[07:11] <ChefWill> Desh: you have gcc installed?
[07:11] <Desh> Yes.
[07:11] <hupp3l> ok, anyway to make it a startup script?
[07:11] <Desh> 3.4
[07:11] <hupp3l> thank you Hawkwind that already helped me a lot
[07:12] <Hawkwind> hupp3l: No problem at all
[07:12] <scanner> After I installed the Nvidia driver my shell session become just black
[07:12] <balld> Hawkwind is 'The Man'
[07:12] <Hawkwind> balld: Shhh, don't say that too loud :)
[07:12] <hupp3l> definitely
[07:12] <balld> lol
[07:12] <scanner> ?
[07:12] <Hawkwind> balld: I'll have to start asking for donations if you do
[07:12] <Hawkwind> Heh
[07:13] <balld> Why not? Paypal accepted here
[07:13] <balld> lol
[07:13] <scanner> ?
[07:13] <Desh> ChefWill: What about trying to use the supplied drivers?
[07:13] <scanner> which?
[07:13] <Hawkwind> balld: I have a big paypal button on my website :)
[07:13] <Desh> ChefWill: Instead of ndiwswrapper
[07:13] <ChefWill> we could Desh
[07:13] <ChefWill> uninstall ndiswrapper
[07:13] <scanner> me?
[07:14] <Hawkwind> scanner: No
[07:14] <Hawkwind> scanner: ChefWill is speaking with Desh
[07:14] <ChefWill> im only talking to desh
[07:15] <scanner> No one can help me?
[07:15] <scanner> :-(
[07:16] <balld> Hawkwind can...and only for $9.95
[07:16] <balld> j/k
[07:16] <ChefWill> Desh: tell me when you have it uninstalled
[07:16] <balld> You said after you installed your drivers your terminal session crashed?
[07:17] <Desh_> ChefWill: Sorry, laptop battery ran out.
[07:17] <ChefWill> ok
[07:17] <ChefWill> you get it uninstalled completely?
[07:18] <Desh_> I removed all 3 packages with adept.
[07:18] <ChefWill> k
[07:18] <ChefWill> now
[07:18] <ChefWill> sudo gedit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
[07:18] <Desh_> gedit not found
[07:18] <ChefWill> and look for the blacklist bcm43xx line and delete it, save and exit
[07:18] <ChefWill> er
[07:18] <Desh_> can i use kwrite
[07:18] <ChefWill> yea
[07:18] <ChefWill> sorry, i was ubuntu
[07:19] <Desh_> Ok, done.
[07:19] <ChefWill> ok
[07:20] <raf> hello all, How can I strip out a linux installation CD, I mean, remove unwanted packages and add custom configuration and other packages?
[07:20] <ChefWill> do you have wifi radar installed?
[07:20] <Desh_> Not sure..
[07:20] <ChefWill> should be in apps>internet if it is
[07:20] <ChefWill> or whereis wifi-radar
[07:21] <ChefWill> it conflicts with the driver
[07:21] <Desh_> wifi-radar:
[07:21] <Desh_> Guess not.
[07:21] <ChefWill> k
[07:22] <balld> raf, do you mean on a livecd? Other than that, you can generally pick and choose(in advanced installation mode) which packages to install or not
[07:22] <raf> no, no livecd, a normal cd
[07:22] <raf> ok, but what if the package I need is not in the CD?
[07:22] <kakalto_> how can I remove a {k,ed,x,}ubuntu-desktop package and all that it installs?
[07:23] <raf> I want a custom CD to install on several machines, but I don't want to make an image of an existing linux installation
[07:23] <ChefWill> Desh_:  sudo apt-get install bcm43xx-fwcutter
[07:24] <Desh_> ChefWill: Ok
[07:24] <ChefWill> now
[07:24] <balld> Most linux distributions allow you to make a copy of your specialized installation(i.e. the packages you choose to install) and then you just boot up that particular package group on the other installs
[07:24] <ChefWill> zless /usr/share/doc/bcm43xx-fwcutter/README.gz
[07:24] <ChefWill> pick one of those and do
[07:25] <ChefWill> sudo bcm43xx-fwcutter -w /lib/firmware FILE YOU WANT TO DOWNLOAD
[07:25] <Desh_> Well, I have the driver already.
[07:25] <raf> or even better, a CD which I couldn't need any user interaction at install time, just put the CD and let the installation to done
[07:25] <Desh_> Should I use the same one that I used for ndiswrapper?
[07:26] <ChefWill> well actually
[07:26] <ChefWill> do this
[07:26] <ChefWill> wget http://ubuntu.cafuego.net/pool/bcm43xx/bcm43xx-firmware_1.1-0ubuntu1_all.deb
[07:26] <ChefWill> then install it sudo dpkg -i bcm43xx-firmware_1.1-0ubuntu1_all.deb
[07:26] <Desh_> Ah!
[07:27] <ChefWill> ?
[07:27] <Desh_> Sorry, clicked it by mistake, ok done.
[07:27] <ChefWill> ok now
[07:27] <ChefWill> sudo modprobe bcm43xx
[07:28] <Desh_> FATAL: Module bcm43xx not found.
[07:28] <Desh_> :(!!!!
[07:28] <sUper> how do i install java into my firefox
[07:29] <ChefWill> you are on dapper Desh_?
[07:29] <Desh_> Yes.
[07:30] <Desh_> How do I check?
[07:30] <Desh_> I mean, I am almost certain.
[07:30] <Desh_> I edited the repository and did a dist-upgrade
[07:30] <ChefWill> pm me contents of
[07:31] <ChefWill> lsb_release -a
[07:31] <Desh_> Argh, can;t, I'm unregistered
[07:31] <ChefWill> ?
[07:31] <Desh> How do I register my nick?
[07:32] <ChefWill> er
[07:32] <ChefWill> this: /nickserv register password
[07:32] <Desh> Ok.
[07:32] <Desh> Pm'd
[07:32] <scanner> who has kubuntu dapper on a sony vaio?
[07:33] <dodo> morning :)
[07:33] <azathoth> anyone using captive on kubuntu? any issues?
[07:34] <dodo> i just installed kubuntu, cause i want to try it a bit... but the first problem i got.. how to get root? :D i cant remind typing in a root password, just a user password. and that one is definetly not the root password.... well now, how can i define a root password? :D
[07:35] <Desh> Root pass is the same as your primary user pass
[07:35] <Desh> To get root access with commands in the shell, use sudo  before the command
[07:36] <Desh> Also, if you want direct root access, choose a console logun at the login screen, login as root there, and do: startx
[07:36] <Desh> *login
[07:36] <Desh> That was directed at you, dodo.
[07:36] <iNiku> dodo: there is no root password in ubuntu by default, you're supposed to use sudo which asks for your own user password.
[07:37] <konrad1207> hi everyone, I have really annoying problem with terminal, console
[07:37] <dodo> Desh: i know, thanks :D but the root password is not the primary user password. when i try to sudo, i got a failure, telling me, that the login is incorrect.... ?! 0o
[07:37] <konrad1207> when I for instance type
[07:37] <dodo> iNiku: aaah, ok :)
[07:37] <konrad1207> top
[07:37] <konrad1207> in terminal
[07:37] <konrad1207> i get 'xterm': unknown terminal type.
[07:38] <konrad1207> someone have similar error?
[07:38] <Desh> Hmm...
[07:39] <kakalto_> is there a clean way of removing all packages related to the ubuntu derivitive(?) you have installed, just leaving the base?
[07:39] <Desh> dodo, when you restart, press ESC and then choose the Recovery Mode, that should log you in as root automatically
[07:40] <Desh> dodo: from there use the passwd <username> command to change passwords for root.
[07:40] <dodo> Desh: ok, and then i will get the possibilty of changing the root password?
[07:40] <dodo> Desh: ok, thanks :)
[07:40] <Desh> Yes.
[07:40] <Desh> However
[07:40] <dodo> Desh: but, why doesnt kubuntu just ask for a root password while installing? 0o
[07:40] <Desh> Because it uses the normal user one, in most cases.
[07:41] <Desh> Umm, try that out, I think it should work.
[07:41] <dodo> Desh: so "passwd root" ?
[07:41] <Desh> Yes
[07:41] <dodo> Desh: All right, see you in two minutes. :)
[07:41] <_rince_> is kweather still broken or is it just my stupidity?
[07:46] <_rince_> ok, finally google had the answer ... http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?p=2251901
[07:51] <admiral_proFTW> how can i set some programs to auto start
[07:51] <admiral_proFTW> i know its in my ~/.kde/Autostart
[07:54] <dodo_> Or is there anyone else, who knows about that problem?
[07:54] <Qill> how do I change root pasword
[07:55] <kakalto_> Qill: as root, "passwd" does it, doesn't it?
[07:55] <kakalto_> admiral_proFTW: so what exactly do you want to know?
[07:55] <apokryphos> Qill: /msg ubotu sudo
[07:55] <Qill> ty
[07:55] <admiral_proFTW> i want Gaim to start automatically
[07:56] <Qill> I'll try
[07:56] <admiral_proFTW> without saving a session
[07:56] <kakalto_> admiral_proFTW: is that a file or a folder?
[07:56] <kakalto_> admiral_proFTW: if it's a file, then I would think you add "exec gaim" into it... if it's a folder, add a link to gaim
[07:57] <admiral_proFTW> folder
[07:57] <admiral_proFTW> okay
[07:57] <kakalto_> that's how I would expect it to work, anyway. I'm not running kde right this moment, and can't really try it
[07:57] <kakalto_> :S
[07:58] <kakalto_> admiral_proFTW: at me? or it not working?
[07:58] <kakalto_> admiral_proFTW: if it's not working, you can try #kde , and sorry :/
[07:58] <admiral_proFTW> no
[07:58] <admiral_proFTW> at myself
[07:59] <kakalto_> for not thinking of it before?
[07:59] <admiral_proFTW> i spent, quite literally ALL DAY trying to get Samba to install on a system
[07:59] <admiral_proFTW> and i get home
[07:59] <admiral_proFTW> and i'm looking through my K menu and see the Samba GUI
[07:59] <admiral_proFTW> with ALL the information i need to set it up
[08:00] <kakalto_> hehe.
[08:00] <kakalto_> I suppose it works on ubuntu?
[08:00] <admiral_proFTW> Kakalto, kill me please
[08:00] <admiral_proFTW> wait
[08:00] <kakalto_> WOOPS
[08:00] <admiral_proFTW> beat you to it
[08:00] <kakalto_> not from this screen :S
[08:01] <kakalto_> =/
[08:01] <admiral_proFTW> man
[08:01] <admiral_proFTW> wasted my whole day
[08:02] <kakalto_> I've tried using the kde samba GUI before, and it's not worked for me. (not on ubuntu)
[08:02] <kakalto_> or it just seemed useless.... can't remember
[08:03] <chavo> admiral_proFTW, did you try webmin? It has a pretty nice samba configuration plugin.
[08:04] <admiral_proFTW> my boss was gotting mad at me for not getting it together
[08:04] <admiral_proFTW> chavo, i tried but dpkg wouldn't let me install it
[08:05] <admiral_proFTW> there was an error in the /var/lib/dpkg/status file
[08:05] <admiral_proFTW> one of the packages was being screwy
[08:06] <admiral_proFTW> one of the Source: parts became Souce; and the semi colon threw things off
[08:07] <admiral_proFTW> then there was like a comma or a ` or something
[08:07] <admiral_proFTW> so dpkg couldn't run at all
[08:08] <kakalto_> admiral_proFTW: :S
[08:08] <kakalto_> sounds like you've had a bad day
[08:09] <admiral_proFTW> yea i did
[08:09] <admiral_proFTW> plus i have to go into work at like 9 in the morning
[08:10] <admiral_proFTW> you know you had a bad day when people on IRC feel sorry for you
[08:13] <raf> someone knows a free service that do what euronode.com do?
[08:13] <raf> euronode.com let to make a customized linux distro, but it cost near 500 dollars
[08:14] <MasterEvilAce> how do i close X and go back to command line
[08:15] <admiral_proFTW> raf, yea
[08:15] <admiral_proFTW> you can log out and go to fail safe
[08:15] <admiral_proFTW> http://www.linux-live.org/
[08:15] <admiral_proFTW> its a live CD though
[08:16] <raf> admiral_proFTW: if I want a normal installation CD to install on several machines?
[08:17] <nocloud> in adept updater, what does "request purging do?"
[08:18] <apokryphos> nocloud: removes config files
[08:19] <nocloud> adept updater keeps on telling me there are these two packages that i can upgrade, but i don't want to upgrade them, is there a way to get it to stop listing those two packages as upgradeable?
[08:20] <admiral_proFTW> raf, let me know if you find it
[08:21] <defrysk> nocloud, remove the packages might be  a way ?
[08:21] <defrysk> if you dont need them that is
[08:21] <nocloud> well, what if i need the current packages but don't want it to keep bugging me to update them?
[08:22] <MasterEvilAce> I installed Compiz with XGL on Kubuntu... Everything is UNGODLY slow (Geforce 2 GO).. just Slow, slow slow. It sets my resolution to MAX.. what's the deak
[08:22] <MasterEvilAce> deal
[08:22] <defrysk> nocloud, why do you not want to uopgrade them ?
[08:22] <nocloud> because to upgrade it, it has to install all this other crap i don't want and i'm trying to save disk space
[08:22] <nocloud> lol
[08:22] <defrysk> MasterEvilAce, that Is the deal if you want to use it
[08:22] <nocloud> it tries to install stuff like.....ipod software, etc etc
[08:22] <defrysk> nocloud, get over it ;)
[08:23] <nocloud> lol, i'm limited by the 5.8gig size of my linux partition
[08:23] <nocloud> can't quite get over that
[08:23] <nocloud> lol
[08:23] <defrysk> sudo apt-get install <the packages --nodeps>  [correct me if i'm wrong] 
[08:23] <MasterEvilAce> defrysk: .. how? There has to be a way to fix this. or else nobody would use it
[08:24] <defrysk> MasterEvilAce, exactly everybody tries it
[08:24] <defrysk> noone uses it actually
[08:24] <MasterEvilAce> ..
[08:24] <UzzaDead> tries what?
[08:24] <MasterEvilAce> Compiz
[08:24] <defrysk> xgl
[08:25] <UzzaDead> that shit is the devil
[08:25] <me2win> i use it
[08:25] <UzzaDead> me2win, i cant get it going maybe you can help :P
[08:25] <MasterEvilAce> My stuff is basically unusable. I disabled all plugins now and it's atleast MORe usable
[08:25] <MasterEvilAce> i also have no titlebars
[08:25] <me2win> UzzaDead: id love to, except im going to bed cuz ihave to be up in 3 hours to go to work lol
[08:25] <UzzaDead> me2win, damn you :(
[08:26] <UzzaDead> got time for a quick question?
[08:26] <me2win> sure
[08:26] <UzzaDead> compiz.real: Couldn't open display :0.0
[08:26] <UzzaDead> simple fix or no?
[08:26] <me2win> not sure, never seen that error
[08:26] <UzzaDead> crap..
[08:26] <UzzaDead> google says nothing either
[08:26] <me2win> heh sorry
[08:26] <me2win> try in #ubuntu
[08:26] <me2win> or #xgl
[08:27] <defrysk> google knows when to be silent... ;p
[08:27] <UzzaDead> its ok its just eye candy i suppose :D
[08:27] <me2win> heh
[08:27] <me2win> night all
[08:27] <UzzaDead> defrysk, im thinking so :)
[08:27] <defrysk> later folks
[08:28] <cfraz89> UzzaDead. did you use the beerorkid repos?
[08:28] <UzzaDead> yeah
[08:28] <cfraz89> ok
[08:28] <cfraz89> so the mesa packages updated with it
[08:28] <UzzaDead> i assume so..
[08:29] <UzzaDead> how would i go about checking?
[08:29] <cfraz89> yep
[08:29] <admiral_proFTW> nocloud, why dont you use a distrobution like DSL
[08:29] <cfraz89> how did you set up xgl?
[08:29] <MasterEvilAce> my "refresh rate" in gset whatever says "1" .. i figure that's why everythings slow. I change it to 60 (LCD) and it just changes back to 1
[08:29] <MasterEvilAce> like it's not saving
[08:29] <UzzaDead> cfraz89, via the wiki guide
[08:29] <cfraz89> can i see it?
[08:30] <distanceisdeath> can anyone help me install a psx emulator?
[08:30] <UzzaDead> cfraz89, https://wiki.kubuntu.org/CompositeManager/Xgl
[08:30] <cfraz89> thanks
[08:30] <UzzaDead> np
[08:30] <UzzaDead> i followed it to the letter
[08:30] <cfraz89> ok
[08:30] <cfraz89> is that the only error you get?
[08:30] <UzzaDead> well its rather odd..
[08:31] <UzzaDead> as my normal user if i click the file on the desktop it restarts kdm
[08:31] <cfraz89> hm
[08:31] <UzzaDead> but if i su or sudo via CLI and run the file i get errors but no kdm restart
[08:31] <UzzaDead> Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
[08:31] <UzzaDead> Xlib: No protocol specified
[08:31] <UzzaDead> compiz.real: Couldn't open display :0.0
[08:31] <cfraz89> i think theres not much you can do about that
[08:31] <UzzaDead> thats after running the compiz file on my desktop as su or sudo
[08:32] <cfraz89> for some reason manny apps in kubuntu dont like running from terminal
[08:32] <cfraz89> they all get connection refused
[08:32] <aftertaf> UzzaDead, something not right in that case, but what? mystery!
[08:32] <UzzaDead> mm..
[08:32] <UzzaDead> aftertaf, ?
[08:32] <aftertaf> connection refused will happen if you su then run in terminal.
[08:33] <UzzaDead> im a noob :)
[08:33] <aftertaf> hehe !)
[08:33] <cfraz89> UzzaDead: try using kdesu in place of sudo
[08:33] <UzzaDead> its that obvious eh?
[08:33] <cfraz89> huh?
[08:33] <UzzaDead> my noobness :)
[08:33] <UzzaDead> compiz.real: Screen 0 on display ":0.0" already has a window manager; try using the --replace option to replace the current window manager.
[08:33] <UzzaDead> compiz.real: No managable screens found on display :0.0
[08:34] <UzzaDead> using kdesu^
[08:34] <cfraz89> ok
[08:34] <cfraz89> you want to run compiz --replace gconf &
[08:34] <cfraz89> kdesu 'compiz --replace gconf &'
[08:34] <UzzaDead> unknown option
[08:35] <cfraz89> hmm what about just kdesu 'compiz --replace gconf'
[08:35] <UzzaDead> Unknown option '--replace'.
[08:36] <aftertaf> or install enlightenment instead :)
[08:36] <cfraz89> thats a wierd one
[08:36] <UzzaDead> quite...
[08:37] <cfraz89> actually you shouldnt run compiz in su
[08:37] <UzzaDead> so just compiz --replace gconf &
[08:37] <cfraz89> did you run gnome-window-decorator already?
[08:37] <UzzaDead> no
[08:37] <cfraz89> run that first
[08:37] <cfraz89> as normal user
[08:37] <UzzaDead> how do i?
[08:37] <UzzaDead> in console right?
[08:37] <cfraz89> yep
[08:37] <cfraz89> then run
[08:37] <cfraz89> compiz --replace gconf decoration wobbly fade minimize cube rotate zoom scale move resize place switcher water &
[08:37] <UzzaDead> ok whats the first command i need to run
[08:38] <UzzaDead> if i recall last time i tried it did something odd
[08:38] <cfraz89> run gnome-window-decorator
[08:38] <MasterEvilAce> what is default NON-EXECUTE chmod?
[08:38] <cfraz89> lol
[08:38] <cfraz89> chmod -x
[08:39] <UzzaDead> running that restarted kdm
[08:39] <MasterEvilAce> thx
[08:39] <cfraz89> np
[08:39] <cfraz89> damn, thats not good
[08:39] <UzzaDead> nope :(
[08:39] <cfraz89> are you in xgl now?
[08:39] <UzzaDead> the session?
[08:39] <UzzaDead> doh there goes the help :(
[08:40] <aftertaf> loool
[08:40] <UzzaDead> oh the perils of being a noob!
[08:40] <MasterEvilAce> undoing the config changes I did for compiz
[08:40] <MasterEvilAce> hopefully it'll be back to normal
[08:40] <UzzaDead> compiz isnt for noobs apparently :)
[08:40] <MasterEvilAce> Mine was working ( i could tell because it was so slow )
[08:40] <MasterEvilAce> it was just unusuable period :P
[08:41] <aftertaf> im not  a total noob and ive never heard about this before today.
[08:41] <UzzaDead> at least you got that far lol
[08:41] <UzzaDead> wb cfraz89
[08:41] <cfraz89> thanks
[08:41] <cfraz89> i see your problem
[08:41] <UzzaDead> np
[08:41] <cfraz89> i just tried it
[08:41] <UzzaDead> you do?
[08:41] <UzzaDead> please tell me you have a solution :(
[08:41] <cfraz89> itll crash x unless your in xgl
[08:41] <UzzaDead> the session?
[08:41] <MasterEvilAce> Uzaa this is the tut i used: http://www.compiz.net/viewtopic.php?id=1067
[08:41] <cfraz89> yes
[08:42] <cfraz89> yes
[08:42] <UzzaDead> cfraz89,  as far as i know im in that session
[08:42] <cfraz89> it looks like it didnt work
[08:42] <UzzaDead> well crap
[08:42] <cfraz89> press ctrl esc, see if xgl is there
[08:43] <UzzaDead> nope
[08:43] <cfraz89> you on nvidia card?
[08:43] <cfraz89> oh ok
[08:43] <UzzaDead> yep nvidia
[08:43] <UzzaDead> MasterEvilAce,  thanks for the link i've bookmarked it now
[08:43] <cfraz89> did you use the replacing x in kdm method?
[08:43] <UzzaDead> no
[08:43] <MasterEvilAce> Weird question: I have a samba share mount to a folder in my home directory. I put an icon on the folder before mounting it.. but after i mount it the special folder icon disappears
[08:43] <UzzaDead> should i?
[08:44] <MasterEvilAce> UzzaDead: yeah, i hope it works better for you. I'm using a laptop so if it IS doing something.. i just can't see it :P
[08:44] <cfraz89> yes, it tends to work better
[08:44] <cfraz89> in my experience it does
[08:44] <UzzaDead> ah...
[08:44] <UzzaDead> MasterEvilAce, whats your specs?
[08:44] <cfraz89> just be careful, if you mess it up you might loose x lol
[08:44] <UzzaDead> lol it takes 5 mins tops to install and update completely again, no huge amount of lost time :)
[08:44] <aftertaf> if it all goes funny:    dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[08:44] <MasterEvilAce> UzzaDead: dell inspiron 8000, 1ghz, 256mb ram, geforce 2 GO 32mb
[08:45] <UzzaDead> ouch :(
[08:45] <UzzaDead> better than my laptop at least
[08:45] <MasterEvilAce> o_O
[08:45] <MasterEvilAce> what's yours
[08:45] <aftertaf> :0
[08:45] <UzzaDead> it barely runs jpg pr0ns lol
[08:45] <MasterEvilAce> lmao
[08:45] <cfraz89> MasterEvilAce: isnt much worse than mine, mine is ok
[08:45] <UzzaDead> p3 640mhz 256mb ram ATI Rage Mobility 8mb
[08:45] <UzzaDead> 650mhz^
[08:45] <aftertaf> dell latitude p3 500mhz 256mb ram, 8mb shared gfx
[08:45] <Mongey> im trying to burn an audio cd in k3b and it says that the format is unsupported
[08:45] <cfraz89> mega-ouch
[08:46] <UzzaDead> at least mine is dedicated vram lol
[08:46] <aftertaf> Mongey, get the other library for it.
[08:46] <cfraz89> Mongey: out of mp3-s?
[08:46] <UzzaDead> cfraz89, so you suggest i replace my shit with xgl?
[08:46] <cfraz89> yep
[08:46] <UzzaDead> thanks :D
[08:46] <cfraz89> youll know if xgl starts up if you get a crossy background initialy
[08:46] <cfraz89> np
[08:46] <UzzaDead> definitely havent seen that
[08:47] <UzzaDead> well im gonna go give it a go..
[08:47] <cfraz89> ok
[08:47] <cfraz89> good luck
[08:47] <cfraz89> Mongey: sudo apt-get install libk3b2-mp3
[08:47] <Mongey> other libary? (yes mp3's)
[08:47] <aftertaf> mongey: enable universe & multiverse then install libk3b2-mp3
[08:47] <cfraz89> UzzaDead: lol
[08:51] <luca__> hello
[08:52] <luca__> what's the boot manager installed by drapper drake?
[08:52] <luca__> it looks like grub
[08:52] <Mongey> i think it is grub
[08:52] <Hobbsee> it is grub
[08:52] <MasterEvilAce> grubby grbuuy
[08:52] <luca__> ok. and where is the traditional /etc/grub.conf?
[08:52] <luca__> i can't find it
[08:52] <aftertaf> luca__, /boot/
[08:52] <Mongey> boot/grub/menu.lst ?
[08:53] <luca__> damn. who told the installer to overwrite my boot manager?
[08:53] <Mongey> what are you trying to do?
[08:53] <luca__> to replace that thing with my boot manager, as i used to have gag, with a nice interface
[08:53] <MasterEvilAce> Why does amarok always show a splashscreen even when I tell it not to
[08:54] <Hobbsee> MasterEvilAce: it's a bug.
[08:54] <MasterEvilAce> ah k
[08:54] <UzzaDead> cfraz89, im stuck :)
[08:55] <UzzaDead> it says edit /etc/gdm/gdm.conf well kdm of course doesnt have one
[08:58] <farous> UzzaDead: if you want to know where kdm files are just type. dpkg -L kdm in a terminal. will tell you where the files are
[09:00] <luca__> ok
[09:00] <luca__> do you know what's the option to make grub install on a partition instead of mbr?
[09:01] <MasterEvilAce> I want to remove older kernel images and all that (such as the stuff in grub menu) what do i delete?
[09:02] <farous> MasterEvilAce: just use adept and it will be done automatically
[09:02] <MasterEvilAce> removed from grub as well, or will i have to edit that?
[09:02] <defrysk> MasterEvilAce, automagicly removed
[09:02] <farous> MasterEvilAce: it will be removed from grub
[09:02] <MasterEvilAce> amazing
[09:03] <Mongey> hmmmmmmmmmm
[09:04] <Mongey> my internet seems alot slower in kubuntu compared to xp
[09:04] <Mongey> and suggestions?
[09:04] <defrysk> Mongey, imagination is my first bet
[09:05] <Hobbsee> Mongey: wired, wireless, is this for webbrowsing, or with apt-get, which webbrowser are you using, and what version?
[09:05] <UzzaDead> defrysk, mine too
[09:05] <Hobbsee> that'll do for a start.
[09:05] <UzzaDead> see a shrink :)
[09:05] <defrysk> :D
[09:05] <farous> Mongey: are you using ndiswrapper or having a broadcom bcm43xx card
[09:06] <Mongey> wired, web browsing with konqueror
[09:06] <Mongey> and firefox
[09:06] <Mongey> both slow
[09:06] <farous> so i cast my vote in the imagination box too :)
[09:06] <UzzaDead> how slow is slow?
[09:06] <Hobbsee> hmmm....okay...
[09:06] <fatejudger> I can't seem to sync my Palm m500 with KPilot, it detects the device but never initiates the sync
[09:06] <fatejudger> it's very strange
[09:06] <dodo_> Which programm do kubuntu user use to partionate the hard drives?
[09:07] <farous> Mongey: on the forums there were a thread on firefox and ipv6
[09:07] <defrysk> dodo_, the installer program -> gparted
[09:07] <UzzaDead> brb
[09:07] <farous> but i think it is fixed in dapper had no problems here what so ever
[09:07] <fatejudger> dodo_: QTParted
[09:08] <dodo_> All right. And where can i find that, after installation? :)
[09:08] <defrysk> about:config
[09:08] <farous> Mongey: in google type test my connection. will give you links to test your connection speed so you can compare
[09:08] <defrysk> search ipv6 sting and disble it
[09:08] <defrysk> string
[09:08] <defrysk> might do the trick
[09:08] <Mongey> 25 seconds for it to get to google
[09:09] <Mongey> it usually takes 2 seconds at most
[09:09] <defrysk> Mongey, could be a ipv6 issue
[09:09] <cfraz89> Mongey: try adding KDE_NO_IPV6=true to /etc/environment
[09:09] <farous> Mongey: it might be your isp. test your connection speed now. login to window and test it before you make any changes
[09:09] <cfraz89> then log in again
[09:10] <dodo_> defrysk: Where do i find qtparted after installation? :)
[09:10] <defrysk> a thread about ipv6 : http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=35666
[09:11] <defrysk> dodo_, sudo apt-get install qtparted would be my first bet
[09:12] <defrysk> not much of a thread tho
[09:12] <dodo_> defrysk: You told me, it is the installer program. So I would think, it already exists in my system, wouldn't you? :)
[09:12] <defrysk> no
[09:12] <defrysk> you have to install it
[09:13] <defrysk> oh you mean during install ?
[09:13] <defrysk> it pop up during install then
[09:13] <dodo_> Ok, thank you. defrysk
[09:13] <defrysk> pops*
[09:13] <MasterEvilAce> anyone have MIDI workin?
[09:13] <dodo_> defrysk: No, installation already finished.
[09:13] <defrysk> dodo_, then install
[09:13] <dodo_> defrysk: And I wondered, why I can't use the programm, when I (as you told me) used it before (to install kubuntu). Got it? :)
[09:14] <dodo_> Ok. :)
[09:14] <defrysk> dodo_, apt-cache search <prog> to find <prog> and check if its available
[09:14] <chakie_work> or "aptitude search <prog>"
[09:14] <defrysk> chakie, yes :)
[09:15] <chakie_work> no need for all those apt-XXX apps when aptitude does it all
[09:15] <aftertaf> aptitude is better with dependencies
[09:15] <dodo_> defrysk: All right. Installed it, now, let's see... :)
[09:15] <chakie_work> try saying "apt-cache search" 10 times quickly
[09:15] <defrysk> aftertaf, aptitude is too powefull sometimes for newbies
[09:16] <farous> ontheother hand aptitude is reporting 67 broken packages here that are not actually broken. so every thing has its downside
[09:16] <defrysk> apt-x is "safer" to use
[09:16] <aftertaf> chakie_work, bit my tongue after 3 tiems :] 
[09:17] <chakie_work> a dist-upgrade is best to perform from a console login, right?
[09:17] <defrysk> aptitude has power but no brain
[09:17] <Mongey> 273* K
[09:17] <Mongey> that bad
[09:17] <Mongey> ill try xp
[09:17] <farous> it also needed to remove some packages automatically that i had to explicetly use the keep command
[09:17] <farous> but i prefer it over apt
[09:18] <Chousuke> aptitude and apt-get both use APT :p
[09:18] <defrysk> chotchki, apt-frontend ;p
[09:18] <Chousuke> they're just different frontends for it.
[09:18] <dodo_> defrysk: Hm, installation was ok, but when i try to start it (qtparted, as root in terminal), it doesn't work, because I can't connect to X server as root. Ok, so I tried as normal user, then I don't get any storage media and qtparted tells me, it is because I am NOT root. Did I do soomething wrong, or is qtparted kidding me? :-D
[09:19] <aftertaf> dodo_, sudo
[09:19] <defrysk> dodo_, you dodo
[09:19] <Chousuke> kdesu :P
[09:19] <dodo_> aftertaf: Same problem, cannot connect to x server.
[09:19] <defrysk> ;p
[09:19] <dodo_> root@dodo:/home/dodo# sudo qtparted
[09:19] <dodo_> Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
[09:19] <dodo_> Xlib: No protocol specified
[09:19] <dodo_> qtparted: cannot connect to X server :0.0
[09:19] <dodo_> defrysk: Tell me, what? :)
[09:20] <defrysk> dodo_, not sure how to fix this one :s
[09:20] <Chousuke> dodo_: use kdesu as your normal user
[09:20] <Desh> dodo, try reconfigurinf X as root?
[09:20] <aftertaf> dodo_, and better to use gparted. qtparted is no longer maintained. (nasty romour i heard)
[09:20] <dodo_> defrysk: Got it... look at the paste above. I started "sudo qtparted" as ROOT, not as normal user ;)
[09:20] <defrysk> kdesu qtparted
[09:20] <cfraz89> dodo_: use kdesu instead
[09:21] <farous> qtparted works with unmounted volumes. do not know if it will work with a mounted one. have not used it for a while
[09:21] <Chousuke> That's waht I've been telling you :p
[09:21] <defrysk> dodo_, dont root get used to sude
[09:21] <defrysk> sudo even
[09:21] <dodo_> All right, now qtparted works ;)
[09:21] <defrysk> dodo_, make sure tu unmount the to partition partition
[09:22] <defrysk> does me make sense ?
[09:22] <dodo_> defrysk: I got it ;)
[09:22] <aftertaf> root!
[09:22] <aftertaf> w00t
[09:22] <dodo_> defrysk: Is it possible to unmount the partition, I am currently working on? Because this is the one, i want to resize. :)
[09:23] <defrysk> dodo_, unmount first
[09:23] <defrysk> umount even
[09:24] <defrysk> you cant slice a horse while sitting on it
[09:24] <mongey> 1703 Kb
[09:24] <dodo_> defrysk: Never done that before. Would you do me a favour and tell me how? :) Btw: How to learn all that stuff, like "HowTo mount/unmount" without asking and asking and asking all the time? :)
[09:24] <Hobbsee> defrysk: well, you can.  but it's a highly bad idea :P
[09:24] <mongey> what was my kubuntu speed?
[09:24] <defrysk> lol Hobbsee  :D
[09:24] <dodo_> defrysk: Nice comparisson. ;-)
[09:25] <aftertaf> unless its a reiserfs formatted horse
[09:25] <dodo_> mongey: Which speed? For google?
[09:25] <dodo_> aftertaf: rofl...
[09:25] <farous> aftertaf: lol
[09:25] <mongey> i gave a speed in kb a sec ago
[09:25] <defrysk> dodo_, bets way to (re)partition an existing one is using a live cd
[09:25] <mongey> well couple of mins ago
[09:26] <defrysk> dodo_, use a live cd is my advise in this matter
[09:26] <dodo_> mongey: 09:09]  <Mongey> 25 seconds for it to get to google
[09:26] <mongey> after that
[09:26] <farous> dodo and whatever you do and no matter how carefull you are. Backup your important data first
[09:26] <dodo_> [09:09]  <Mongey> it usually takes 2 seconds at most
[09:26] <nocloud> is there a way to rapidly calculate avaliable disk space on a hard drive?
[09:27] <mongey> after
[09:27] <dodo_> That one? :)
[09:27] <dodo_> hmm... ok :D
[09:27] <mongey> 2nd or last thing i said
[09:27] <farous> nocloud: df -h
[09:27] <defrysk> mongey, get a proper networkcard
[09:27] <dodo_> [09:18]  <Mongey> 273* K
[09:27] <dodo_> [09:18]  <Mongey> that bad
[09:27] <dodo_> [09:18]  <Mongey> ill try xp
[09:27] <dodo_> [09:19]  <-- Mongey has left this server ("Konversation terminated!").
[09:27] <dodo_> That's all. :)
[09:27] <defrysk> ahhh
[09:28] <defrysk> he damaged now and needs recovery
[09:28] <mongey> 1703 Kb in xp vs 273 in kubuntu
[09:28] <dodo_> Reboot....
[09:28] <UzzaDead> i think im gonna puke
[09:29] <nocloud> farous: thanks
[09:29] <defrysk> mongey, how are you connected to the internet ?
[09:29] <UzzaDead> i got xgl working with the wobbly windows and all..
[09:29] <UzzaDead> anyone have some sea sickness pills handy?
[09:29] <farous> nocloud: urw:)
[09:29] <defrysk> UzzaDead, great way to stay on the wagon
[09:29] <mongey> dsl i think
[09:29] <UzzaDead> defrysk,  by the wagon you mean the linux wagon and my permanent xorg.conf burned into my retinas?
[09:29] <mongey> wired
[09:30] <farous> mongey: read this thread on ipv6 http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=87798&highlight=disabling+ipv6
[09:30] <defrysk> mongey, must be the ipv6 issue
[09:31] <nocloud> hmm, i have something weird....under storage media, my mounted windows HD says 50G, in df -h output, it says 43G and in windows, it also shows up as 43G but i remember that when i first installed kubuntu, i expanded that NTFS partition to 50G, anybody know why only 43G gets detected?
[09:31] <mluser-laptop> How does one recover from a failed install.. now adept keeps telling me that some other application is using the packaging system database
[09:31] <mongey> give me that link when i come back
[09:31] <UzzaDead> mluser-laptop, its probably crapped out check for adept processes
[09:31] <UzzaDead> and kill them
[09:31] <Desh> Hi, how would I get Dapper to auto mount USB drives?
[09:32] <farous> nocloud: it might be a conversion prob which is normal. Kbite is not 1000 bite
[09:32] <mluser-laptop> UzzaDead: I have rebooted.. I think the database is in an unstable state.. is there anyway to repair it?
[09:32] <nocloud> but...its 7G out of 50.....that's way beyond the normal amount of loss expected
[09:33] <UzzaDead> no idea mluser-laptop
[09:33] <nocloud> the problem is, 43G was the size of the windows partition before i expanded it in the kubuntu installer
[09:33] <UzzaDead> but i'll bet it restored the processes
[09:33] <mluser-laptop> thankss
[09:33] <UzzaDead> take a check for em
[09:33] <Desh> How do I get Dapper to automount USB drives?
[09:33] <nocloud> i expanded it to 50 but its still showing up as 43....
[09:33] <UzzaDead> Desh, mine is mounted automatically
[09:33] <nocloud> basically, i've lost like 7 gigs of space
[09:34] <Desh> Mine isn't, not after a crappy dist-upgrade
[09:34] <nocloud> it just pretty much disappeared off the drive
[09:34] <UzzaDead> nocloud, i've got plenty of space i'll loan you some :)
[09:34] <farous> nocloud: 34 gb can be reported as 40 gb
[09:34] <UzzaDead> man xgl sucks :)
[09:34] <defrysk> hm gonna reboot (with no ipv6)
[09:35] <UzzaDead> i cant believe i spent all this time for this much suckage lol
[09:35] <cfraz89> hi UzzaDead, howd it go?
[09:35] <UzzaDead> at least now i can almost write the xorg.conf by memory :D
[09:35] <aftertaf> UzzaDead, get E
[09:35] <UzzaDead> cfraz89, its up and running
[09:35] <UzzaDead> thanks
[09:35] <UzzaDead> aftertaf, E?
[09:35] <aftertaf> e17
[09:35] <UzzaDead> the hells that?
[09:35] <aftertaf> www.get-e.org
[09:35] <cfraz89> cool
[09:36] <nocloud> hmm, i know i'm getting cheated out of space somewhere cuz when i expanded the windows one, my linux got cut down to 5.8G and it was originally around 10G, and the windows one, it remained at 43G which is where it was before i expanded it, so, i've got a couple gigs of hd space that just vanished
[09:36] <cfraz89> UzzaDead: you don't like it?
[09:36] <Mongey> can i have that link again
[09:36] <UzzaDead> cfraz89, its... pretty crappy
[09:36] <farous> df -h report a kb as 1024 or something like that can not remember the conversion but it is a power 2 ^10
[09:36] <UzzaDead> probably not working as it should
[09:36] <cfraz89> lol, why?
[09:36] <cfraz89> what's wrong?
[09:36] <aftertaf> farous, 1024*1024*1024 / 1000
[09:36] <UzzaDead> no titlebars and artifacts on the screen :(
[09:37] <cfraz89> lol, yeah definitely not working
[09:37] <UzzaDead> well crap
[09:37] <cfraz89> did you get any error messages?
[09:37] <Mongey> anyone link to that thread?
[09:37] <UzzaDead> nope but i have wobbly windows :D
[09:37] <MasterEvilAce> lol Uzza
[09:37] <cfraz89> lol :) kind of ruins the effect without titlebars though
[09:37] <UzzaDead> kinda..
[09:38] <farous> aftertaf: thanx than you can take it from here
[09:38] <UzzaDead> and the fact i've got half a dozen lil x's at the bottom and artifacts
[09:38] <MasterEvilAce> UzzaDead: essentially the same as on my computer
[09:38] <cfraz89> ahh i know
[09:38] <cfraz89> take out the dock plugin
[09:38] <cfraz89> it messes things up
[09:38] <cfraz89> run gset-compiz
[09:38] <defrysk> ok i have ipv6 off now
[09:38] <defrysk> pretty easy
[09:38] <cfraz89> and untick dock
[09:38] <farous> nocloud: another problem might occur if your partition program do not partition to the end of the cylinder. you might loose some space this way but i doubt it is gb more on the mb scale
[09:39] <UzzaDead> MasterEvilAce, except mines quick as hell
[09:39] <MasterEvilAce> lol
[09:39] <MasterEvilAce> aw
[09:39] <UzzaDead> cfraz89, take out the dock and kill the server?
[09:39] <defrysk> Mongey, this is what you do
[09:39] <defrysk> if you are there ?
[09:40] <Mongey> ye
[09:40] <UzzaDead> i'll try that..
[09:40] <cfraz89> Uzzadead, no lol
[09:40] <cfraz89> too late lol
[09:40] <defrysk> Mongey,  sudo kate /etc/modprobe.d/bad_list
[09:40] <defrysk> Mongey, put this line in
[09:40] <marek_> Hi, I have a question: Is there any known case, that in *ubuntu (engl version) japanese input works by scim in firefox and openoffice?
[09:40] <Desh> How can I mount a USB drive? My Dapper won't auto load USB drives.
[09:41] <defrysk> alias net-pf-10 off
[09:41] <UzzaDead> no title bars still
[09:41] <cfraz89> UzzaDead: i didn't mean kill kicker lol
[09:41] <nocloud> hmm, if i wanted to adjust the partitions, can i just use the program bundled with the kubuntu installation?
[09:41] <defrysk> that line Mongey
[09:41] <defrysk> then safe and reboot
[09:41] <aftertaf> Desh, sudo mount /media/sda1
[09:41] <UzzaDead> dont what now?
[09:41] <cfraz89> UzzaDead: compiz works with many plugins
[09:41] <cfraz89> if you run gset-compiz, you can choose which ones to use
[09:41] <cfraz89> make sure dock is unticked
[09:41] <UzzaDead> i have an X with a sideways triangle in the bottom lol
[09:41] <UzzaDead> in my tray
[09:41] <Desh> aftertaf: mount: can't find /media/sda1 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mta
[09:42] <UzzaDead> yeah cfraz89 i de-selected dock
[09:42] <cfraz89> still get artifacts and x's eh?
[09:42] <UzzaDead> no artifacts just X's
[09:42] <aftertaf> Desh, cat /etc/fstab. do you see /media/something?
[09:42] <cfraz89> hmm
[09:42] <cfraz89> what command are you running compiz with?
[09:42] <UzzaDead> runs at start
[09:43] <nocloud> hmm, if i wanted to adjust the partitions, can i just use the program bundled with the kubuntu installation?
[09:43] <UzzaDead> i used this guide which worked from MasterEvilAce
[09:43] <UzzaDead> http://www.compiz.net/viewtopic.php?id=1067
[09:43] <Desh> aftertaf: media/cdrom0
[09:43] <aftertaf> Desh, hmm.
[09:43] <aftertaf> desh: add this to fstab:    /dev/sda1       /media/usb      vfat    rw,user 0       0
[09:44] <UzzaDead> im gonna try something...
[09:44] <aftertaf> and mkdir /media/usb
[09:44] <cfraz89> UzzaDead: try running gnome-window-decorator in a terminal
[09:44] <defrysk> ttwtd
[09:44] <cfraz89> see what it says
[09:44] <UzzaDead> k
[09:44] <defrysk> time to walk the dog
[09:44] <Desh> aftertaf: can I do the same for sda2
[09:44] <UzzaDead> if it kills kdm im gonna kill you :P
[09:44] <UzzaDead> jk
[09:44] <aftertaf> yep
[09:44] <aftertaf> and mkdir /media/usb2
[09:44] <cfraz89> wait...
[09:44] <Desh> Huh?
[09:44] <cfraz89> also take out the dock from the command that starts compiz
[09:44] <UzzaDead> k
[09:44] <cfraz89> the tutorial has dock in the list
[09:45] <UzzaDead> it wobbled my window by the way
[09:45] <Desh> aftertaf: What do you mean makedir /media/usb2?
[09:45] <aftertaf> mkdir.
[09:45] <cfraz89> ?
[09:45] <aftertaf> make a directory to which to mount to
[09:45] <cfraz89> lol you dont like the wobblies?
[09:45] <aftertaf> too many to's but hey
[09:45] <farous> aftertaf he can just use pmount
[09:45] <Mongey> http://pastebin.com/761895
[09:45] <aftertaf> farous, can he, ok. :] 
[09:46] <Mongey> defrysk: i got that
[09:46] <farous> pmount is the same as mount but he need user privlage for it instead of su privlages
[09:46] <aftertaf> oki
[09:46] <aftertaf> cool
[09:46] <UzzaDead> lol makes you kinda sick cfraz89  :)
[09:46] <UzzaDead> ok i killed the dock crap
[09:46] <UzzaDead> now what?
[09:46] <cfraz89> try logging in again
[09:47] <UzzaDead> k
[09:47] <farous> strange it was not mounted automtically. does the user have rights to mountable devices?
[09:47] <Mongey> any help anyone
[09:49] <Mongey> anyone alive?
[09:49] <farous> Mongey: did you look the page i sent you
[09:49] <Mongey> no
[09:49] <farous> give me a min am trying to locate a wiki
[09:50] <Mongey> i lost the link
[09:50] <farous> Mongey: then scroll up and you will find the link
[09:50] <Mongey> switching from xp to kubuntu
[09:50] <Mongey> :P
[09:50] <Mongey> link is in mirc
[09:51] <farous> Mongey: bookmark this link it is helpfull https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDocumentation
[09:51] <farous> mongey: read this thread on ipv6 http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=87798&highlight=disabling+ipv6
[09:51] <rob> http://help.ubuntu.com
[09:51] <farous> here it is again ^ ^
[09:51] <rob> try that
[09:52] <tuxcicles> Mongey: maybe look at usbmount commanc
[09:52] <Mongey> ?
[09:54] <UzzaDead> that was fun
[09:54] <UzzaDead> xgl is official the spawn of satan :)
[09:55] <kevin> um cvscedega wants x-window-system-dev but that isn't available in the repositories for dapper...should i just get it somewhere else?
[09:55] <Hobbsee> UzzaDead: no, that's CUPS.
[09:55] <Hobbsee> :P
[09:55] <cfraz89> UzzaDead:they're not even that wobbly lol
[09:55] <Hobbsee> kevin: er, i believe that was replaced by something else.
[09:56] <cfraz89> UzzaDead: any luck?
[09:56] <UzzaDead> not really
[09:56] <farous> kevin: are you looking for xlibs-dev package?
[09:56] <cfraz89> oh
[09:56] <UzzaDead> at first it completely killed everything
[09:56] <cfraz89> damn
[09:56] <kevin> farous: Um..maybe?
[09:56] <UzzaDead> so i had to edit the kdmrc file and my self created file
[09:56] <cfraz89> sucks to be UzzaDead's computer
[09:56] <UzzaDead> nah...
[09:57] <farous> kevin install it then :)
[09:57] <UzzaDead> it can run any game you throw at it as max settings perfectly :)
[09:57] <UzzaDead> its a good day to be my computer
[09:57] <UzzaDead> unless i start beating it with a stick..
[09:58] <Hobbsee> farous: not a great idea...
[09:58] <Hobbsee>  This package smooths upgrades from Debian 3.0 by depending on libice-dev,
[09:58] <Hobbsee>  libsm-dev, libx11-dev, libxext-dev, libxi-dev, libxmu-dev, libxmuu-dev,
[09:58] <Hobbsee>  libxpm-dev, libxrandr-dev, libxt-dev, libxtrap-dev, libxtst-dev, libxv-dev,
[09:58] <Hobbsee>  x-dev, and xlibs-static-dev.  This transitional package is only depended upon
[09:58] <Hobbsee>  by packages that haven't yet corrected their dependencies to reflect the new
[09:58] <Hobbsee>  library arrangement.
[09:58] <Hobbsee> wow, that didnt go in one line.
[09:58] <Hobbsee> thanks UzzaDead
[09:58] <Hobbsee> :P
[09:58] <UzzaDead> lol :D
[09:59] <farous> lol
[09:59] <UzzaDead> i suppose you're not a noob Hobbsee?
[09:59] <Hobbsee> UzzaDead: no, not exactly
[09:59] <farous> Hobbsee: take your breath and state what you said before slowly ;)
[09:59] <Hobbsee> farous: see apt-cache show xlibs-dev
[09:59] <farous> ok
[09:59] <Hobbsee> UzzaDead: i'm told that i'm a dev.
[09:59] <UzzaDead> i think thats what makes the linux community so great, the higher up people arent fucking dicks to the noobs
[09:59] <Hobbsee> !language
[09:59] <ubotu> Please watch your language. We try to be nice and help but some of us don't like to see such things on our screen.
[09:59] <Hobbsee> true
[10:00] <UzzaDead> ask a dumb question in a windoze channel and see what happens to you lol
[10:00] <cfraz89> lol
[10:00] <Hobbsee> UzzaDead: s/windoze/debian or s/windoze/gentoo and you get the same result.
[10:00] <Mongey> how do i change file permissions on a folder
[10:00] <farous> ok Hobbsee got ya. so what package he needs then
[10:01] <Hobbsee> UzzaDead: s/originalword/newwordinit'splace
[10:01] <UzzaDead> ah..
[10:01] <Hobbsee> UzzaDead: it's a function in...vim... i think...or some other high level text editor that i never use :P
[10:01] <UzzaDead> gentoo isnt too bad unless you catch them on a bad day
[10:01] <Hobbsee> farous: absolutely no idea.   he could just install the xlibs-dev package
[10:01] <Mongey> or how do i copy a file into/etc/modprobe.d
[10:01] <UzzaDead> then they can be worse than some 'doze users :(
[10:02] <Hobbsee> !chmod
[10:02] <ubotu> [chmod]  a command used to change the permissions of a file or folder. see `man chmod` for a synopsis.
[10:02] <Hobbsee> Mongey: ^
[10:02] <UzzaDead> amazing that i cant get xgl running straight but i installed and compiled bootstrapped gentoo from source @_o
[10:02] <Hobbsee> Mongey: to copy a file?
[10:02] <Mongey> kinda
[10:02] <Mongey> move would be betterr description
[10:03] <Hobbsee> sudo cp /path/to/file /path/to/where/you/want/it/to/go
[10:03] <Hobbsee> substitute cp with mv then
[10:03] <Hobbsee> cp = copy, mv = move
[10:03] <farous> Mongey: you need ot cp or just edit a file there ? take care you might erase a file that is already there
[10:06] <Mongey> the file isnt there
[10:06] <farous> ok then follow Hobbsee advise
[10:06] <defrysk>  Mongey did it work ?
[10:06] <Hobbsee> Mongey: what do you need to chmod?
[10:06] <defrysk> the ipv6 thing ?
[10:07] <Mongey> ye
[10:07] <Hobbsee> oh okay
[10:07] <Mongey> bad_list
[10:07] <defrysk> yes
[10:07] <defrysk> did it work ?
[10:07] <defrysk> ip a | grep inet6
[10:07] <defrysk> what does it say ?
[10:07] <UzzaDead> well heres goes nothing again..
[10:08] <defrysk> mogey did you do what I said ?
[10:08] <defrysk> Mongey, that is
[10:08] <defrysk> hello ?
[10:08] <Mongey> checking now
[10:09] <defrysk> no output means no ipv6
[10:09] <Mongey> i have to read it again
[10:09] <defrysk> oh geez
[10:09] <Mongey> :D
[10:10] <defrysk> Mongey,  sudo kate /etc/modprobe.d/bad_list
[10:10] <defrysk> do that first
[10:10] <defrysk> use sudo
[10:10] <Mongey> ye
[10:10] <defrysk> bad_list does not exist but wil be created
[10:10] <Mongey> i have alias net-pf-10 off in it
[10:10] <Mongey> i created it
[10:11] <defrysk> good
[10:11] <defrysk> save
[10:11] <defrysk> and close
[10:11] <Mongey> kk
[10:11] <Mongey> done
[10:11] <Mongey> now?
[10:11] <defrysk> now reboot
[10:11] <Mongey> ah
[10:11] <defrysk> and done ;)
[10:11] <Mongey> brb
[10:11] <farous> defrysk: he can just restart the net right
[10:11] <farous> or is it a kernel thing he can modprobe -r it
[10:11] <defrysk> farous, not anymore ;p
[10:12] <defrysk> farous, its a kernel thing
[10:12] <farous> he rebooted anyway
[10:12] <defrysk> farous, and it should be off ater reboot
[10:12] <farous> defrysk: modprobe -r would have taken it out too
[10:12] <defrysk> after
[10:12] <defrysk> farous, only on this session
[10:13] <defrysk> farous, this way it is not sensitive to upgrades/rewrites
[10:13] <farous> ok i understand now
[10:13] <farous> thanx defrysk
[10:13] <tuxcicles> what is with ip6 on for by default anyway ? that standard (internet2) is way off in the distant future anyway, isn't it?
[10:14] <defrysk> tuxcicles, agree I think it should be given as an option during install
[10:15] <defrysk> hey Mongey
[10:15] <Mongey> hi
[10:15] <defrysk> now do : ip a | grep inet6
[10:15] <defrysk> and see if you get output
[10:15] <defrysk> no output means no ipv6
[10:16] <Mongey> where?
[10:16] <defrysk> in konsole
[10:16] <defrysk> terminal
[10:16] <defrysk> commandline
[10:16] <farous> defrysk: take it easy you seen you need some sleep ;)
[10:16] <Mongey> where
[10:16] <Mongey> ?
[10:17] <Mongey> konsole?
[10:17] <defrysk> Mongey, type ip a | grep inet6
[10:17] <tuxcicles> sudo modprobe -r inet6
[10:17] <defrysk> tuxcicles, no
[10:17] <defrysk> shus
[10:17] <Mongey> conor@conor-desktop:~$ ip a | grep inet6
[10:17] <Mongey>     inet6 ::1/128 scope host
[10:17] <Mongey>     inet6 fe80::215:f2ff:fe77:3005/64 scope link
[10:17] <defrysk> Mongey, you stil have inet6
[10:18] <Mongey> lol
[10:18] <Mongey> damn
[10:18] <defrysk> Mongey, cat /etc/modprobe.d/bad_list
[10:18] <defrysk> what do you see ?
[10:18] <farous> Mongey: defrysk it is blacklist
[10:18] <defrysk> farous, no
[10:18] <Mongey> conor@conor-desktop:~$ cat /etc/modprobe.d/bad_list
[10:18] <Mongey> alias net-pf-10 off
[10:18] <Mongey> conor@conor-desktop:~$
[10:18] <farous> i no know what you want to do. blacklist is for blacklisted modules
[10:19] <defrysk> Mongey, a sec
[10:19] <farous> no=now from a sleepy farous
[10:20] <farous> Mongey: try tuxcicles way first and test your net if it is better then do the blacklisting
[10:20] <defrysk> ahwell
[10:20] <farous> defrysk: you need to blacklist the module right so it is in the blacklist file not badlist one
[10:21] <tuxcicles> my way didn't work for me either :P
[10:21] <defrysk> modules get blacklisted
[10:21] <UzzaDead> evil xgl :)
[10:21] <farous> UzzaDead: lol
[10:21] <UzzaDead> i think im gonna remove and leave it be for the time being..
[10:21] <farous> i had it here for about 5 min before i got rid of it
[10:21] <UzzaDead> farous, with apt-get how would i go about removing the downloaded files as well as uninstalling the package?
[10:22] <farous> have fluxbox with transparency which all i really need. pseudo transp is good for me
[10:22] <UzzaDead> and whats the difference between apt-get and aptitude
[10:22] <defrysk> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=87798&page=5&highlight=disabling+ipv6 works perfectly for me
[10:22] <tuxcicles> couldn't it just be remd in the aliases file, or removed for the hosts file?
[10:22] <defrysk> very strange
[10:22] <UzzaDead> !aptitude
[10:22] <ubotu> aptitude is another front-end to apt, like apt-get, adept and Synaptic.  Unlike them, aptitude remembers what dependencies were installed with a package and can remove them if you uninstall. It also has a (somewhat buggy) text-mode interface.
[10:22] <Mongey> so what will i do
[10:22] <UzzaDead> ah...
[10:23] <farous> UzzaDead: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html
[10:23] <defrysk> in dapper there is another way for ipv6
[10:23] <farous> UzzaDead: this will give you the diff and more information for your taste
[10:23] <defrysk> Mongey, listen :
[10:23] <defrysk> If you're using Dapper Drake edit /etc/modprobe.d/aliases, comment out the existing alias net-pf-10 ipv6 and add alias net-pf-10 off, like so:
[10:23] <defrysk> alias net-pf-10 off
[10:23] <defrysk> # alias net-pf-10 ipv6
[10:23] <defrysk> Reboot.
[10:23] <defrysk> That worked for me.
[10:24] <defrysk> try that mongey
[10:24] <defrysk> apologies for the pasting
[10:24] <UzzaDead> thanks farous
[10:24] <farous> uw :)
[10:25] <tuxcicles> does the hosts file need to be changed also?
[10:25] <UzzaDead> very informative!
[10:25] <farous> UzzaDead: short ans they are all front ends for apt
[10:25] <farous> which is frontend for dpkg
[10:25] <UzzaDead> linux is confusing as hell at times
[10:25] <pekuja> is there any extension or whatever to make Konqueror recover from crashes?
[10:25] <defrysk> Mongey, got that ?
[10:25] <Mongey> not yet
[10:25] <pekuja> and/or to restore an old session
[10:26] <defrysk> Mongey, want is step by step ?
[10:26] <Mongey> no
[10:26] <Mongey> i think i have it
[10:26] <defrysk> good
[10:26] <Mongey> do i delete alias net-pf-10 ipv6 out?
[10:26] <defrysk> the daper way is different
[10:26] <defrysk> no comment it out
[10:26] <aftertaf> can we live without ipv6 ?
[10:27] <defrysk> put a # in front of the line
[10:27] <defrysk> alias net-pf-10 off  needs to be added
[10:27] <UzzaDead> i dont want to go removing xserver-xorg do i? :D
[10:28] <defrysk> Mongey, you can read it here in the last post : http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=87798&page=5&highlight=disabling+ipv6
[10:28] <Mongey> do i add alias net-pf-10 off at the end?
[10:29] <Mongey> or above that one i commente out
[10:29] <Mongey> *commented
[10:29] <defrysk> does not matter , I would do the last suggestion
[10:29] <tuxcicles> it doesn't matter, it's commented
[10:29] <bulltitan> hey
[10:30] <bulltitan> no matter what i do i can't read subs with kaffeine
[10:30] <bulltitan> like ".sub" or ".srt"
[10:30] <bulltitan> any help?
[10:30] <tuxcicles> watch english stuff :D
[10:31] <defrysk> mongey whan done: sudo rm /etc/modprobe.d/bad_list
[10:31] <bulltitan> yep i know but i have some japanese movies that i like a lot :(
[10:31] <defrysk> to remove bad_list
[10:32] <tuxcicles> i think i saw some options for loading subs in the preference section if i remember right
[10:32] <MasterEvilAce> awesome. tweaking kubuntu a bit. a good bit faster... is there any big list of tweaks anywhere?
[10:33] <bulltitan> kaffeine is great with all the proper codecs installed,.. sounds great and looks great but no subs :( at least with xvid kinda movies
[10:33] <UzzaDead> MasterEvilAce, xgl is the spawn of satan they should have waited and released it today 6/6/06 :P
[10:33] <MasterEvilAce> kik
[10:33] <MasterEvilAce> lol*
[10:34] <UzzaDead> that thing broke my system so bad..
[10:34] <UzzaDead> im amazed im even here
[10:34] <UzzaDead> well time to see if i can get it back to normal :D
[10:34] <aftertaf> UzzaDead, get e for eyecandy happiness :)
[10:34] <farous> UzzaDead: how did you install xgl
[10:34] <farous> lol
[10:35] <farous> aftertaf: is the simon repos for e still on or are there another one
[10:35] <UzzaDead> i have titlebars again!
[10:36] <farous> UzzaDead: you should have installed xgl as a session that you can optionally use
[10:36] <tuxcicles> bulltitan: yea, look into mplayer, it does subs
[10:36] <UzzaDead> farous, i tried and it didnt work period
[10:36] <farous> i mean this would have made it easier for uninstalling
[10:36] <UzzaDead> eh, wasnt that hard :)
[10:36] <farous> i do not like xgl either.
[10:36] <UzzaDead> not like i have anything useful to do lol
[10:37] <UzzaDead> or one of these things called "lives"
[10:37] <bulltitan> ok i'll do tuxcicles but i think that kaffeine has a mplayer engine
[10:37] <UzzaDead> bulltitan, install  macos!
[10:37] <bulltitan> macos?
[10:37] <tuxcicles> xine engine i think
[10:37] <Mongey> ya
[10:37] <Mongey> it works
[10:37] <UzzaDead> Mac OSX
[10:37] <UzzaDead> :D
[10:37] <bulltitan> hum,...
[10:37] <defrysk> Mongey, great :D
[10:37] <Mongey> thanks
[10:38] <farous> so you are getting the sme speed now
[10:38] <UzzaDead> its hacked onto intel now lol
[10:38] <bulltitan> does it works with .srt and .sub
[10:38] <aftertaf> farous, better to get from cvs. repos get out of date fast
[10:38] <defrysk> Mongey, was intersting for me too
[10:38] <UzzaDead> bulltitan, that was a joke ignore it
[10:38] <farous> thanx aftertaf
[10:38] <bulltitan> lol no problem
[10:38] <Mongey> well i dont know what speed but a hell of alot faster
[10:38] <UzzaDead> hell? who speaks of my home?!
[10:38] <aftertaf> cvs with and auto checkout & buiild script... :)
[10:38] <defrysk> Mongey, probably fixed now
[10:38] <UzzaDead> i keep hearing about this easybuntu or something
[10:39] <UzzaDead> can anyone shed any light on that?
[10:39] <farous> aftertaf: my prob was i lost my config each time i update
[10:39] <tuxcicles> !easybuntu
[10:39] <Mongey>  1776 Kb
[10:39] <ubotu> I don't know, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, tuxcicles
[10:40] <defrysk> tuxcicles, spellcheck
[10:40] <farous> Mongey: nice hmm i might do it myself
[10:40] <bulltitan> sounds like an ubuntu for windows users :D ,... a fool proof ubuntu
[10:40] <UzzaDead> bulltitan, ubuntu for noobs eh?
[10:41] <bulltitan> i dunno :P,... windows users that was a joke ;)
[10:41] <Mongey> :D
[10:41] <Mongey> ppl are trying to convine me to goto gentoo
[10:41] <farous> Mongey: lol your name sound arabic
[10:41] <UzzaDead> gentoo owns.
[10:41] <UzzaDead> if you're uber leet non noob like
[10:42] <UzzaDead> and dont anger the regular users
[10:42] <UzzaDead> they're mean
[10:42] <Mongey> I am the 13357
[10:42] <defrysk> gentoo gets boring after waisting ours on compiling
[10:42] <UzzaDead> i dont spend hours compiling :D
[10:42] <Mongey> im irish
[10:42] <farous> defrysk: and configuring
[10:42] <defrysk> farous, that too
[10:42] <UzzaDead> not my fault you guys run 386's :)
[10:42] <UzzaDead> jk
[10:43] <defrysk> UzzaDead, gentoo is fast ...when not compiling
[10:43] <farous> Mongey: handshake am egyptian. and your name mean rescuer in arabic
[10:43] <UzzaDead> defrysk, i agree :)
[10:43] <UzzaDead> it'll spank just about any distro in speed,optimization and packages available
[10:44] <defrysk> gentoo is for the happy few who think they know better
[10:44] <UzzaDead> problem is theres alot of work...
[10:44] <UzzaDead> too much work
[10:44] <farous> lot of reading too lol
[10:44] <UzzaDead> oh and their livecd/installer sucks lol
[10:44] <UzzaDead> some of the users in the gentoo chans are down right abusive
[10:44] <defrysk> I loved gentoo for the feeling it gave me , not for the actual usage
[10:45] <UzzaDead> the e-penis defrysk ?
[10:45] <defrysk> id made me feel G33ky
[10:45] <UzzaDead> same thing..
[10:45] <defrysk> UzzaDead, yup ;p
[10:45] <bulltitan> what is gentoo a new type of cereal?
[10:45] <UzzaDead> bulltitan, linux distro for hardcore linux nuts
[10:45] <UzzaDead> and i do mean nuts
[10:45] <bulltitan> :P
[10:45] <bulltitan> my bad :P
[10:45] <defrysk> thats about it in a nutshell
[10:45] <UzzaDead> its ok i'll beat you with a coat hanger later :)
[10:45] <Chryseus> gentoo is type of penguin.. in many sences :)
[10:46] <alex__> for some odd reason amarok won't play my music....hmmm
[10:46] <defrysk> well gentoo users actually use a nut shell
[10:46] <alex__> any ideas?
[10:46] <UzzaDead> alex__, mp3's?
[10:46] <Mongey> bac
[10:46] <defrysk> teria?
[10:46] <UzzaDead> whats arabic for bastard?
[10:47] <farous> lol
[10:47] <UzzaDead> i need a new name :D
[10:47] <farous> lakit
[10:47] <UzzaDead> niiice
[10:47] <Mongey> farous: is it?
[10:47] <farous> mongey your name is ya
[10:47] <UzzaDead> alex__, are you gonna answer?
[10:48] <Mongey> well
[10:48] <bulltitan> i need a cup of kubuntu right now,.. hot and strong
[10:48] <bulltitan> i love kubuntu
[10:48] <farous> lol
[10:48] <UzzaDead> Mongey, why? i want their souls :(
[10:48] <farous> UzzaDead: than advise them to use xgl ;)
[10:48] <Mongey> you can have there souls
[10:49] <UzzaDead> haha no more virgin sacrificing baby killing pentagrams..
[10:49] <UzzaDead> i'll send them to xgl guides!
[10:49] <dodo|kanotix> Does anyone know, how to authenticate with quakenets q@cserve.quakenet.org automatically? mIRC had that perform thing, but how to do that with "conversation"?
[10:49] <UzzaDead> i absolutely love when someone asks a question,requests help and then just dies :)
[10:49] <alex__> UzzaDead: yeah mp3
[10:50] <UzzaDead> alex__, kubuntu right?
[10:50] <alex__> UzzaDead: sorry about that; kept "fiddling" with amarok
[10:50] <alex__> UzzaDead: yes
[10:50] <UzzaDead> ok open up adept
[10:50] <UzzaDead> and go to manage repositories
[10:50] <alex__> ok
[10:50] <UzzaDead> one sec
[10:51] <tuxcicles> alex__: did install the gstreamer mad and mpeg codecs?
[10:52] <judgen> tuxcicles good grammar =)
[10:52] <tuxcicles> sorryrr, its late
[10:52] <alex__> tuxcicles: not yet; Just installed it about 10 min ago
[10:52] <UzzaDead> where is sources.lst again? :)
[10:52] <alex__> tuxcicles: the o/s that is.
[10:52] <UzzaDead> trying to get info for alex__
[10:53] <alex__> UzzaDead: mounted as a vfat
[10:53] <judgen> hehe i have been up for 53 hours straight now
[10:53] <judgen> and soon i have to go to work
[10:53] <alex__> UzzaDead: "/dev/hdb1"
[10:53] <bulltitan> i have a guy here,... actually a friend who's actually using kubuntu thanks to me that says "he likes kubuntu so much that he's thinking about having sex with it"
[10:54] <UzzaDead> alex__, not you :)
[10:54] <judgen> bulltitan sane?
[10:54] <alex__> UzzaDead: sorry
[10:54] <bulltitan> don't tell me
[10:54] <bulltitan> :d
[10:54] <bulltitan> :D
[10:55] <judgen> when wine 1.0 comes out ill move away from any other os, both for work and sparetime
[10:56] <tuxcicles> alex__: lookee here https://wiki.kubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[10:56] <alex__> tuxcicles: In adept, under Multimedia i see gstreamer and plugins but its kinda diff, it doesn't give me the option to select/deselect
[10:56] <afm\colossus> you shold try getting away from proprietary software
[10:56] <afm\colossus> not just a proprietary operating system
[10:56] <tuxcicles> you might have to stick the repositories in or uncomment the restricted ones
[10:57] <UzzaDead> can someone tell me where to find my sources.lst?
[10:57] <afm\colossus> in /etc/apt/ @ UzzaDead
[10:57] <UzzaDead> thanks
[10:57] <alex__> tuxcicles: I'm sorry but I don't understand
[10:57] <afm\colossus> it's called "sources.list", though
[10:57] <alex__> tuxcicles: No worries I'll figure it out.
[10:57] <judgen> alex__ use "sudo apt-install gstreamer" in konsole
[10:57] <UzzaDead> Al-Daja,  ok im ready
[10:58] <UzzaDead> crap
[10:58] <UzzaDead> alex__,
[10:58] <tuxcicles> look at /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:58] <UzzaDead> go to manage repositories in adept
[10:58] <Al-Daja> lol
[10:58] <UzzaDead> feel free to smack me Al-Daja :)
[10:58] <Al-Daja> np
[10:58] <Al-Daja> mistakes happens
[10:58] <UzzaDead> probably how im here eh? :D
[10:58] <UzzaDead> alex__, you there?
[10:58] <Al-Daja> no
[10:58] <judgen> UzzaDead i never understood why people use graphical apt... is there any advantage?
[10:59] <UzzaDead> judgen, noobness :)
[10:59] <alex__> judgen: AH! that's more like it
[10:59] <UzzaDead> its just easier for some
[10:59] <UzzaDead> are your mp3's playing now?
[10:59] <judgen> apt is really easy to learn though
[10:59] <defrysk> judgen, for newfolks yes
[10:59] <Al-Daja> even i need from the guys from here, i'm newbie too, but i'm a lazzy with too much work to doo UzzaDead  so no problem
[10:59] <tuxcicles> judgen: you can see what there is to install if you don't know
[10:59] <defrysk> judgen, for powerusers , no
[10:59] <Al-Daja> *need help
[10:59] <kevin> what does this error mean? - fixme:xrender:X11DRV_XRender_Finalize Free cached glyphsets
[11:00] <judgen> tuxcicles thats what you use apt-cache for
[11:00] <kevin> I think that's my problem with cvscedega..
[11:00] <UzzaDead> Al-Daja, im damn near not a noob now :)
[11:00] <Al-Daja> i'm passing to awful noob so and so noob
[11:00] <tuxcicles> apt-cache search 'for sumthin'\
[11:00] <bulltitan> is there a thread where i can place my thoughts about windows vista?
[11:01] <defrysk> bulltitan, in the trashbin ?
[11:01] <tuxcicles> apt-cache show 'info'
[11:01] <bulltitan> lol!
[11:01] <UzzaDead> i've rewrote my xorg.conf kdmrc and a whole load of other files tonite amazingly my system is still up
[11:01] <UzzaDead> alex__?
[11:01] <UzzaDead> does apt have quake 4 :)
[11:01] <alex__> UzzaDead: sorry
[11:02] <UzzaDead> is it working now?
[11:02] <dodo|kanotix> quake 4?
[11:02] <dodo|kanotix> under linux? :D
[11:02] <UzzaDead> dodo|kanotix, yep :)
[11:02] <judgen> apt-cache search *file* >filename.txt (really nice function)
[11:02] <bulltitan> i wish :( but it is too much for my putter
[11:03] <dodo|kanotix> UzzaDead: emulated, or really a linux-based quake 4?
[11:03] <UzzaDead> poor bulltitan :(
[11:03] <bulltitan> :P
[11:03] <UzzaDead> dodo|kanotix, linux based :D
[11:03] <dodo|kanotix> UzzaDead: Where can i get that? :)
[11:03] <tuxcicles> iv'e played quake 3 before
[11:03] <judgen> dodo|kanotix can you emulate any opengl games in linux with any performance
[11:03] <Mongey> what can i use instead of msn messanger?
[11:03] <UzzaDead> dodo|kanotix, you need a retail copy of the doze version of quake 4 and then download and install the *nix executable
[11:04] <UzzaDead> Mongey, kopete
[11:04] <judgen> dodo|kanotix wine works , but never heard of anyone emulating quake3
[11:04] <judgen> wine is not an emulator
[11:04] <dodo|kanotix> judgen: And the non-opengl-games? btw: What is the easiest way to get to know, whether a game is opengl, or not? :)
[11:04] <UzzaDead> google :)
[11:04] <tuxcicles> my opengl died in dapper, new version of fglrx was incompatable with my mobo
[11:04] <judgen> dodo|kanotix with wine you can use most games, if they are confed right
[11:04] <dodo|kanotix> judgen: wine, yes. but somethings dont work with wine... perhaps its just me ;)
[11:04] <Mongey> ah
[11:05] <Mongey> ty
[11:05] <UzzaDead> i never had much luck with wine
[11:05] <dodo|kanotix> UzzaDead: me :(
[11:05] <judgen> dodo|kanotix some versions of wine works less good with some directx stuff
[11:05] <UzzaDead> then i pirated cedega...
[11:05] <UzzaDead> and fubared my entire system :D
[11:05] <dodo|kanotix> UzzaDead: rofl. and it works? :)
[11:05] <UzzaDead> it works if its not a pirated version lol!
[11:05] <judgen> UzzaDead if you like cedega, please buy it
[11:06] <bulltitan> ups
[11:06] <UzzaDead> judgen, i blew my entire system up trying to use the pirated version :)
[11:06] <UzzaDead> and implied its not a good idea to use said version..
[11:06] <bulltitan> did i hear buy in linux world?
[11:06] <bulltitan> i'm out!!!
[11:06] <UzzaDead> definitely buy cedega :D
[11:06] <judgen> UzzaDead how is tat possible cedega does not replace any system critial files
[11:07] <UzzaDead> judgen, in trying to get the pirated cedega installed/working etc..
[11:07] <UzzaDead> i noobed the system to hell
[11:07] <Adam_eM> hi there
[11:07] <dodo|kanotix> linux means open source... cedega isnt... so, why support them? :-p
[11:07] <kevin> UzzaDead: Do you have it working with dapper now?
[11:07] <kevin> cvscedega is free ;p
[11:07] <dodo|kanotix> cvs?
[11:07] <UzzaDead> kevin, nah this was last year or earlier on gentoo
[11:08] <UzzaDead> explain this cvscedega..
[11:08] <judgen> dodo|kanotix if you are nooby enough to need cedega and not to compile it yourself you deserve to pay
[11:08] <UzzaDead> please :D
[11:08] <kevin> it's the cvs version of cedega..it's free o.O
[11:08] <UzzaDead> how does one compile this version..
[11:08] <judgen> UzzaDead its cedega but you have to compile it yourself
[11:08] <UzzaDead> it'd go over my head then eh?
[11:08] <judgen> UzzaDead the same way you compile most other apps
[11:08] <kevin> heres teh easiest way to install uzzaDead - http://www.linux-gamers.net/modules/wiwimod/index.php?page=HOWTO+Cedega+CVS
[11:08] <dodo|kanotix> judgen: Just a joke. :) btw: i think almost everyone is to "nooby" to compile it, what do you mean? :)
[11:08] <kevin> it's all done by itself pretty much
[11:09] <bulltitan> noob how to,..... what is cedega?
[11:09] <kevin> wine for games
[11:09] <judgen> bulltitan its an game-optimized version of wine
[11:09] <tuxcicles> i saw some deb files of codega out there in pirate land before
[11:09] <dodo|kanotix> !away
[11:09] <ubotu> Please don't use public away messages or change your nick to 'someone|away'.  We know you're away when you don't respond to messages.
[11:09] <bulltitan> to,... play,... a,... game,... use,.... cedega,... is it ok?
[11:10] <judgen> bulltitan explain you comment?
[11:10] <UzzaDead> i really wouldnt recommend pirating cedega :)
[11:10] <kevin> I believe he's asking if it works well...the answer would be i'm not sure i haven't gotten it working yet ><
[11:10] <bulltitan> haaa it's just a joke telling you that to play a windows game i have to use cedega because of that damn drx 10
[11:10] <UzzaDead> kevin, im gonna hammer on it i'll let you know :)
[11:10] <judgen> kevin i get more fps in ubuntu+wine than in windows so, Yeah it works
[11:11] <bulltitan> or upcoming drx10
[11:11] <judgen> get 1000 more in 3dmark too
[11:11] <UzzaDead> windows makes me angry
[11:11] <kevin> UzzaDead: :D if you run into problems and get em fixed...help me out ;p
[11:11] <bulltitan> yeah me too uzza
[11:11] <UzzaDead> kevin, will do
[11:12] <kevin> UzzaDead: #cedega is useless >< nobodys human in there lol..
[11:12] <bulltitan> win is about patches, patches to fix things not properly done
[11:12] <Plebism> morning all
[11:12] <Adam_eM> when i use firefox browser - for example - i would like to download a wallpaper from kde-look.org, i have got the dialog window with 'download.php' as a filename instead of the desired pic.
[11:13] <UzzaDead> or they dont want to fix us cheap bastards problems :)
[11:13] <tuxcicles> anyone here use kde 3.5.2 repository on there breezy?
[11:13] <Adam_eM> everything's fine in konqueror though
[11:13] <kevin> heh i'm pretty sure cvscedega isn't supported..but i didn't tell them i had cvs lol
[11:13] <UzzaDead> they can probably sniff it out :)
[11:13] <Plebism> just loaded up ubuntu - wow - its great
[11:14] <UzzaDead> kevin,  how long did the compile take for you?
[11:14] <judgen> Plebism yeah
[11:14] <bulltitan> wellcome to ubuntu plebism lol
[11:14] <Plebism> one of the easiest distros ive tried
[11:14] <Plebism> spent an age trying to get fedora to load up :(
[11:14] <bulltitan> in my case kubuntu a cool flavor for other penguins
[11:14] <Adam_eM> Plebism: and what you have tried ?
[11:15] <Plebism> i used to use suse ages ago
[11:15] <Plebism> then later on Red Hat 9
[11:15] <judgen> im not an rpm fan
[11:15] <tuxcicles> Plebism: it's a lot quicker than fedora too, aint it
[11:15] <Plebism> sure is
[11:15] <Plebism> it really just loaded and went
[11:15] <Adam_eM> one thing i don't like in kubuntu is adept - i think it sucks
[11:16] <Plebism> took me a few mins for it to use my ATI card so I could get prop screen res
[11:16] <Plebism> but otherwise - sweeet :D
[11:16] <bulltitan> agree adam
[11:16] <kevin> UzzaDead: around 20 minutes ><
[11:16] <UzzaDead> whats your specs?
[11:16] <tuxcicles> Plebism: you need to probably try the fglrx gl drivers for your ati
[11:17] <UzzaDead> and wtf is the cvs password?
[11:17] <kevin> UzzaDead: 60 gig hd 7200 rpm 512 pc2700 mem amd 2600+ 1.8 ghz
[11:17] <kevin> UzzaDead: cvs ...
[11:17] <UzzaDead> it must be thinking then :D
[11:17] <kevin> yah :P
[11:17] <UzzaDead> kevin, should take half or less than 20 mins for me then
[11:17] <Plebism> Tuxcicles: Yeah i wondered onto the help pages and did that
[11:17] <Plebism> soooo easy
[11:18] <UzzaDead> 160gb 7200rpm 8mb cache PC3200@2gb 3500+ A64 2.2ghz
[11:18] <bulltitan> (kevin out of record you can put that baby to work up to 2100 real)
[11:18] <UzzaDead> probably even 2.2 :D
[11:18] <Adam_eM> bulltitan:  yeah... i even considering the possibility of making something on my own, but i need libapt description for that
[11:18] <bulltitan> :D
[11:18] <kevin> you mean ghz?
[11:18] <kevin> overclocking?
[11:18] <UzzaDead> yep
[11:18] <UzzaDead> its on configure now
[11:18] <bulltitan> ho yeps
[11:18] <kevin> meh it's my little brother's computer :P
[11:19] <UzzaDead> overclock it, he'll love you
[11:19] <UzzaDead> unless it explodes
[11:19] <bulltitan> lol
[11:19] <Tallia1Kubuntu> hola?!? is there any news regarding the flash plugin for firefox? it is almost unusable.. when i open a page that require flash i have to kill the firefox process.. does the same happen to you?
[11:19] <kevin> lol i think this'll run his runescape just fine
[11:19] <UzzaDead> in which case we never had this conversation :)
[11:19] <Plebism> is it as easy to install tar.gz files
[11:19] <xavier> hello hello
[11:19] <Plebism> that always usedto stump me
[11:19] <Adam_eM> bulltitan have you seen it somwhere maybe ? :) i mean the libapt specification ?
[11:20] <UzzaDead> this configuring is slow :D
[11:20] <kevin> Plebism: yes just make sure you have build-essential installed
[11:20] <bulltitan> nope yet adam
[11:20] <UzzaDead> spoke too soon
[11:20] <UzzaDead> its done
[11:20] <kevin> Plebism: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[11:20] <UzzaDead> sweet compiling now
[11:21] <kevin> Plebism: then type ./configure when done type make when done type make install
 so if I want to update firefox .... I have the 1.5.0.4,tar,gz on my desktop
[11:21] <Tallia1Kubuntu> hola?!? is there any news regarding the flash plugin for firefox? it is almost unusable.. when i open a page that require flash i have to kill the firefox process.. does the same happen to you?
[11:21] <kevin> that you would go to -
[11:21] <kevin> !firefox1.5
[11:21] <Adam_eM> bulltitan: so it would be hard to develop something on my own... i have to call the library somehow at all
[11:21] <xavier> I can't manage to remoce kbabel packdge!!! any idea??
[11:21] <ubotu> You can use firefox 1.5 by following this wiki page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxNewVersion
[11:21] <Tallia1Kubuntu> kevin: i do have firefox 1.5
[11:21] <UzzaDead> ah its done compiling!
[11:21] <UzzaDead> sweet
[11:21] <kevin> Tallia1Kubuntu: I'm talking to Plebism with that one
[11:22] <UzzaDead> crap
[11:22] <Tallia1Kubuntu> oh, :)
[11:22] <kevin> Tallia1Kubuntu: Do you have the latest version of flash?
[11:22] <UzzaDead> it errored out
[11:22] <kevin> lol i was gonna say that was WAYYY to quick :P
[11:22] <Tallia1Kubuntu> yes, i do
[11:22] <Tallia1Kubuntu> flash 7 right?
 so once firefox files extracted .... run the !firefox command
[11:22] <kevin> no no no
[11:22] <Plebism> ;)
[11:22] <kevin> Plebism: follow these instructions
[11:23] <kevin> !firefox1.5
[11:23] <ubotu> You can use firefox 1.5 by following this wiki page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxNewVersion
[11:23] <kevin> click that link and follow the instructions
[11:23] <Plebism> ok
[11:23] <bulltitan> adam i am amaze by linux world because i'm in it for about one month now ,... for that kind of questions ask my pal uzzadead :D
[11:23] <bulltitan> by the way i love linux
[11:23] <UzzaDead> what?
[11:23] <UzzaDead> im a noob still!
[11:23] <bulltitan> lol
[11:23] <kevin> UzzaDead: Is teh uber n00b
[11:24] <Adam_eM> ok, so we'll try UzzaDead then :)
[11:24] <kevin> UzzaDead: Why'd it error out?
[11:24] <UzzaDead> kevin, is the uber uber n00b :P
[11:24] <UzzaDead> kevin,  no clue im still too noob :)
[11:24] <bulltitan> :D
[11:24] <Adam_eM> oh, and bte: good luck in further journey with linux bulltitan
[11:24] <tuxcicles> im a noob too, cus i keep forgetting everything i need to remember
[11:24] <Plebism> kevin - I take it all done in SU mode?
[11:25] <kevin> Plebism: Everything you need is in that tutorial
[11:25] <Plebism> ok - reading now :)
[11:25] <Adam_eM> hey does anyone know how to force firefox to work a bit more with qt ?
[11:25] <bulltitan> thanks adam for now i'm ok,... i just killed windows and i feel like not looking back
[11:25] <Plebism> they have some great support pages
[11:25] <kevin> UzzaDead: The real kevin is an uber uber n00b i'm word his brother ;p
[11:25] <Tea> hi all
[11:25] <kevin> UzzaDead: Did you install all the packages it wanted?
[11:25] <UzzaDead> yeah
[11:26] <Tallia1Kubuntu> hola?!? is there any news regarding the flash plugin for firefox? it is almost unusable.. when i open a page that require flash i have to kill the firefox process.. does the same happen to you?
[11:26] <Adam_eM> i simply cannot save any pictures in it. konqueror does well though
[11:26] <UzzaDead> Adam_eM, whats the problem?
[11:26] <kevin> Tallia1Kubuntu: Go to the flash site and try installing it again there may have been an incremental update that you missed.
[11:26] <cfraz89> UzzaDead: what are you compiling?
[11:27] <UzzaDead> cfraz89, cvscedega
[11:27] <Tea> i have just order 10CDs from ubuntu.com, when can i receive them ???
[11:27] <Adam_eM> UzzaDead: well, there's a lot of problems :). Let's start from the firefox :)
[11:27] <UzzaDead> lol firefox makes me happy
[11:27] <cfraz89> oh lol
[11:27] <kevin> Tea: Did you put in your address?
[11:27] <Tea> yes
[11:27] <cfraz89> what error did you get?
[11:27] <UzzaDead> cfraz89, way way too many :D
[11:27] <Tallia1Kubuntu> meah, i really dubt so.. i read that they stopped working on the version 7 in order to provide a good version 9 for linux
[11:27] <kevin> Tea: You'll be getting them sometime near teh end of the month
[11:27] <cfraz89> see if you can find the first one
[11:27] <Tallia1Kubuntu> kevin: do you have the same problems?
[11:27] <Tea> thanks
[11:28] <UzzaDead> im compiling again
[11:28] <kevin> Tallia1Kubuntu: I use Opera
[11:28] <Adam_eM> UzzaDead: when i want to save a pic (f.e from kde-look) it puts 'download.php' as the filename, and it's impossible to save any pic there
[11:28] <cfraz89> ok
[11:28] <Tallia1Kubuntu> oh, i see..
[11:28] <Tallia1Kubuntu> did you buy it?
[11:28] <Tallia1Kubuntu> maybe i could try opera too..
[11:28] <UzzaDead> Adam_eM, just rename the file..
[11:28] <kevin> Tallia1Kubuntu: It's free now...has been for awhile.
[11:28] <UzzaDead> firefox on windoze does that to me on some sites
[11:28] <Tallia1Kubuntu> free.. with ADS in the top though right?
[11:28] <kevin> Tallia1Kubuntu: Nope, completely free
[11:29] <UzzaDead> and very tasty
[11:29] <Tallia1Kubuntu> oh, so it is in the repositories i suppose
[11:29] <kevin> Tallia1Kubuntu: You have to add it. Opera has it's own repository
[11:29] <bulltitan> i should get some drinks to the ppl helping here,... maybe with a touch of vodka and cofee
[11:29] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i see
[11:30] <Tallia1Kubuntu> the installation of plugins is automated as in explorer in windows or by hand like in linux?
[11:30] <Adam_eM> UzzaDead: but it's some kind unconvenient. There have to be another way
[11:30] <UzzaDead> not that i know of Adam_eM
[11:30] <UzzaDead> but im a noob like i said
[11:31] <kevin> um...they have their own tuts on how to install the plugins but once you have them in the right places you go into plugins and tell it to find new and they're autodetected
[11:31] <Tea> can we talk about windows in this # ???
[11:31] <UzzaDead> only if its bashing!
[11:31] <UzzaDead> jk
[11:31] <bulltitan> about what tea?
[11:31] <bulltitan> ho i love that chat :p
[11:31] <bulltitan> can i start with insults?
[11:31] <Tallia1Kubuntu> !opera
[11:31] <ubotu> download the latest Opera .deb package from http://www.opera.com/download/ (breezy) or http://snapshot.opera.com/unix/Weekly-284/intel-linux/ (dapper) to install see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OperaBrowser
[11:31] <Tea> about w2k3, exchange server and so on...
[11:31] <UzzaDead> so anyone else gonna buy vista?
[11:31] <UzzaDead> im doing the loan paperwork right now!
[11:32] <Tea> thank kevin
[11:32] <kevin> Tea: That was a joke :P
[11:32] <bulltitan> kevin is that an insult channel?
[11:32] <Adam_eM> UzzaDead: i was using suse previously and there were no problems with it. There were nice qt dialog windows etc. Maybe they used some additional packages ?
[11:32] <bulltitan> i'm in if it is
[11:33] <UzzaDead> i didnt use suse very long :)
[11:33] <kevin> bulltitan: naw no ones there
[11:33] <bulltitan> :(
[11:33] <UzzaDead> yay i have 7.09gb free ram!
[11:33] <Adam_eM> UzzaDead: i didn't use the latest release very long as i noticed how bugged it is :)
[11:34] <UzzaDead> Adam_eM, i didnt use it for many reasons
[11:34] <kevin> UzzaDead: if you get it working let me know i'll be on tommorrow
[11:34] <UzzaDead> still compiling :D
[11:34] <UzzaDead> wb judgen
[11:34] <judgen> Anyone familiar with kde
[11:34] <Adam_eM> UzzaDead:  you mean... ?
[11:34] <UzzaDead> Adam_eM, ?
[11:34] <_tom> desu
[11:35] <judgen> i wish to remove the sectionlabels of the startmenu
[11:35] <Adam_eM> UzzaDead:  what reasons do you mean
[11:35] <UzzaDead> Adam_eM, horrible compatibility,support the list goes on
[11:35] <UzzaDead> and im a gamer, suse is no gaming distro :D
[11:35] <denver1> hi
[11:35] <Adam_eM> heheh
[11:35] <Selaiah> Can someone help me with the setup of my Wlan ? (on wpa2 with static ip) Here are my configs http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15150 looks fine yet refuses to connect?
[11:35] <Adam_eM> ubuntu has a lot of games as i can see
[11:35] <bulltitan> uzza gamer?=
[11:35] <UzzaDead> Adam_eM, im talking quake 4 and such :D
[11:36] <bulltitan> have run gta san andreas?
[11:36] <UzzaDead> yep..
[11:36] <judgen> Selaiah never used wpa2 on linux
[11:36] <bulltitan> does it worked?
[11:36] <Selaiah> =(
[11:36] <judgen> Selaiah cant you just use wpe?
[11:36] <UzzaDead> on windows :D
[11:36] <bulltitan> :S
[11:36] <Selaiah> well I could yeah, but thats easy to break in
[11:36] <UzzaDead> to be honest most of my gaming is done on windows
[11:37] <UzzaDead> i think i need to go to bed soon i thought midgorn said midget porn
[11:37] <bulltitan> i know,... np i do it too
[11:37] <UzzaDead> that disturbs me...
[11:37] <Adam_eM> UzzaDead: well my machine's too weak for such games, but anyway i like to play some lower requirements ones :)
[11:37] <bulltitan> games with windows the rest kubuntu
[11:37] <UzzaDead> exactly bulltitan
[11:37] <UzzaDead> Adam_eM, took weak?
[11:37] <UzzaDead> too^
[11:38] <judgen> i love the linux abillity to play older games that no longer work in windows
[11:38] <Tallia1Kubuntu> which is the gnome-open equivalent for KDE?
[11:38] <UzzaDead> or never worked in windows to start with judgen
[11:38] <judgen> UzzaDead example?
[11:38] <Adam_eM> UzzaDead: i meant it's too slow for that
[11:38] <judgen> tuxraging =)
[11:38] <judgen> racing
[11:38] <judgen> funny game
[11:38] <UzzaDead> that and frozen bubble
[11:38] <kasim> hi, will dapper support (simple) install and boot from a SATA-disk? [many romours floating around ...] 
[11:39] <UzzaDead> Adam_eM, specs?
[11:39] <bulltitan> thinkin about it i'm thinking on getting kunfu master
[11:39] <Adam_eM> UzzaDead: low amount of ram, and videocard mem
[11:39] <UzzaDead> well whats your specs :D
[11:39] <Selaiah> Can someone help me with the setup of my Wlan ? (on wpa2 with static ip) Here are my configs http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15150 looks fine yet refuses to connect?
[11:39] <UzzaDead> i've probably got boxes older than you Adam_eM and bulltitan  :P
[11:39] <Adam_eM> UzzaDead: athlon 1.33 with 256 megs of ram and an archaic riva tnt2 :)
[11:39] <godzero> the thing about linux gaming that I can't figure out is that quake 3 ta and america's amry.. etc run fine... but simple games like tuxracer lag
[11:40] <UzzaDead> Adam_eM, thats respectable :P
[11:40] <bulltitan> :p
[11:40] <UzzaDead> my first box was an athlon 1.1ghz 256mb ram and onboard shared video :P
[11:40] <Adam_eM> UzzaDead:  not for q4 playing :)
[11:40] <judgen> UzzaDead motorola smp 68000 2x12mhz
[11:40] <UzzaDead> judgen, i hate you :(
[11:40] <judgen> UzzaDead motorola smp 68000 2x12mhz was my first ppc
[11:40] <UzzaDead> you just beat me lol
[11:41] <judgen> my fist pc was an 8086
[11:41] <Mongey> how do i install themes
[11:41] <UzzaDead> my first pc was a piece of junk
[11:41] <bulltitan> sempron 2100 real 512 ram vga
[11:41] <Mongey> MY firt pc is this
[11:41] <UzzaDead> hell it wasnt even a pc it was a commodore!
[11:41] <judgen> first comuter at all was a 4bit texasinstruments from the 70s or so =)
[11:41] <bulltitan> ati 9600 of course :D
[11:41] <Mongey> amd 64 3200+ nvidia 7600ft+
[11:41] <bulltitan> nah mine was a cz spectrum color :p
[11:41] <Mongey> *gt
[11:42] <UzzaDead> bulltitan, athlon 64 3500+ 2048mb real ram and 256mb Geforce 6800 GT with GDDR3
[11:42] <judgen> current system is a quad opteron 2000mhz with 8gb ram
[11:42] <Adam_eM> my first pc was err... p90 with 8 megs... my first computer was sinclair zx80 or whatever it calls :)
[11:42] <UzzaDead> judgen, i hate you again
[11:42] <bulltitan> uzza you rock!
[11:42] <godzero> judgen: 212mhz smp.. must have cost quite a bit in the day
[11:42] <UzzaDead> bulltitan, thanks you can kiss my feet now :)
[11:42] <godzero> 2-12
[11:42] <bulltitan> lol
[11:42] <UzzaDead> just kidding :)
[11:42] <UzzaDead> judgen, what do you do with that box?
[11:43] <judgen> godzero 2x12mhz (24mhz in total) yes it costed a fortune
[11:43] <bulltitan> i know cos ati rocks
[11:43] <judgen> UzzaDead compile code
[11:43] <bulltitan> lol
[11:43] <UzzaDead> that explains it :)
[11:43] <judgen> UzzaDead and draw in cad
[11:43] <UzzaDead> i bet you never lag on anything lol
[11:43] <judgen> cad uses insane cpu power
[11:43] <UzzaDead> anything thats compiled for smp at least..
[11:43] <Tea> i need download squid for linux
[11:44] <UzzaDead> my only smp box is a SUN SPARCServer
[11:44] <Tea> can anyone show me where to download it ???
[11:44] <Adam_eM> hey where can i get libapt any \specification ?
[11:44] <UzzaDead> it takes two people to pick it up or move it :)
[11:44] <judgen> cant say i can complain, but later on im going 16way opteron, when the quad-core opterons arrive
[11:44] <godzero> I worked with a friends unix machine back in '91 or so that matched that descripion.. spendy
[11:44] <UzzaDead> good times :D
[11:44] <judgen> godzero they were still wuite fast
[11:45] <Adam_eM> i was looking for it on debian's developers page, but there's nothing
[11:45] <rob> hmm, anyone being logged out after the screensaver kicks in?
[11:45] <Adam_eM> could anyone help ?
[11:45] <judgen> godzero you could do much with an 68000 at 24mhz per mhz compared to todays systems
[11:45] <UzzaDead> judgen, my 68040 beats your 2x12mhz 68000's :P
[11:45] <judgen> probably
[11:45] <UzzaDead> but then again its alot newer..
[11:46] <UzzaDead> and its not smp
[11:46] <judgen> UzzaDead the difference is the time of purchase and the usage of the system
[11:46] <godzero> judgen: I was a amiga fan boy in the day.. loved the 68k
[11:46] <UzzaDead> yeah
[11:46] <judgen> godzero most amiga fans uses linux today (especially as beos failed)
[11:46] <UzzaDead> i miss the old days of computers
[11:46] <judgen> cant go from a semiopen system to windows
[11:46] <UzzaDead> it was just "different"
[11:47] <bulltitan> beos failed me with sempron processor
[11:47] <Adam_eM> judgen: what about morphos, and aos ?
[11:47] <judgen> UzzaDead different as in "better" =)
[11:47] <UzzaDead> definitely judgen
[11:47] <judgen> Adam_eM dead in the water
[11:47] <bulltitan> more over i think with athlon cpu too
[11:47] <judgen> Adam_eM they are vaporware even withouth haveing a stable realease
[11:47] <UzzaDead> BeOS was nice
[11:47] <bulltitan> it was cool while it lasted
[11:47] <judgen> beos was not nice it ROCKED!
[11:47] <Adam_eM> judgen:  that's too bad
[11:47] <UzzaDead> what killed BeOS anyway?
[11:48] <bulltitan> agree but more amd support will be cool
[11:48] <Adam_eM> me :D
[11:48] <godzero> I never had the chance to try BeOS
[11:48] <judgen> UzzaDead microsofts deal with all the oem companies
[11:48] <UzzaDead> its still snappy as hell even today
[11:48] <UzzaDead> i run it on some of my macs
[11:48] <judgen> UzzaDead but microsoft got sued in the end for illegal practices and had to pay a billion or so to be.inc
[11:48] <UzzaDead> microsoft angers
[11:48] <gupta> hey all, Someone plz tell, how much MB's will i have to download to upgrade from breezy to dapper
[11:49] <judgen> gupta do you have desktop installed
[11:49] <gupta> i.e aptitude dist-updrage would require how much?
[11:49] <gupta> nope, me is on win right now :(
[11:49] <judgen> gupta the basic server system should be about 255mb and desktop about 450 i think
[11:49] <bulltitan> any microsoft practice is illegal
[11:49] <godzero> gupta: look at your / partition... prolly 1/2 that amount
[11:49] <judgen> bulltitan not all
[11:49] <UzzaDead> probably :D
[11:49] <bulltitan> mos of it
[11:49] <judgen> bulltitan microsoft has done good things too
[11:50] <gupta> judgen: Thanks, I think I'll reuest a cd then :D
[11:50] <UzzaDead> is it possible to compile my own custom kernel in kubuntu :)
[11:50] <bulltitan> most i mean
[11:50] <bulltitan> yep
[11:50] <bulltitan> i know judgen
[11:50] <judgen> UzzaDead its possible in every linux
[11:50] <UzzaDead> i mean is there a noob guide for me :)
[11:50] <godzero> my 2.6ghz pc w/1gb ram  is in some ways slower than my old 68k amiga
[11:51] <judgen> bulltitan the wors invention ever that microsoft conceeded was ms implemetnation of netbeui
[11:51] <UzzaDead> godzero, i think thats because as hardware got faster and faster the coders got lazier and lazier with their optimizations and clever hacks
[11:51] <judgen> godzero the only thing i really lack when using my amiga is protected memoryspace
[11:51] <MasterEvilAce> anyone know any way to disable the black and white effect on the logout screen?
[11:52] <bulltitan> i have a bunch of illegal stuff from microsoft but it will be no point to tell you guys what you already know
[11:52] <judgen> UzzaDead i can run xvid movies at full speed on a 200mhz amiga, and its not even remotly possible on a via c3 933mhz withouth framedrops
[11:52] <bulltitan> the guy is a genious but an evil one
[11:52] <UzzaDead> judgen,  you joke o_o
[11:52] <judgen> UzzaDead nope not kidding there
[11:52] <UzzaDead> thats obscene!
[11:53] <godzero> xvid on a 200 mhz amiga? ppc?
[11:53] <judgen> yup
[11:53] <judgen> have some accelerator card thoug, never opened the case
[11:54] <judgen> was thinking about buying a new amiga and kick in a sonnet g3 upgrade to about 733mhz and 512mb ram + a few scsi disks
[11:54] <judgen> that wouls be cool when running old apps =)
[11:55] <Mongey> how do i get the them manager working
[11:55] <_tom> wouldnt they most likely be cpu clocked
[11:55] <_tom> so theyd run SuPERFAsT
[11:55] <bulltitan> if you can run a xvid on that ,...hum geee
[11:56] <judgen> _tom i dont know about that, you can run the same games on a amiga 500 and a 233mhz amiga 4000 and have the same framrate (locked to vsync i think)
[11:57] <judgen> amiga os stil have the problem with protected memoryspace, so if one app goes down. it takes sall the os with it
[11:58] <bulltitan> i have a doubt
[11:58] <_tom> http://pastebin.ca/62489 god >:( crazy webmin
[11:58] <UzzaDead> judgen, you use cedega right?
[11:58] <_tom> well not that but crazy me for not using expert mode during install NO MAKE By DEFAULT????
[11:58] <bulltitan> why there is some ppl still using amiga,... remember i'm a noob
[11:59] <dennis_p> jugden: long live mint and multitos! Oh wait this is the kubuntu channel
[11:59] <bulltitan> what makes it still good to be alive
[11:59] <tuxcicles> i think amigas are like some kind of standard in australia, idn't it?
[12:00] <bulltitan> hum
[12:01] <bulltitan> i don't want any technical specs or anything just to know why they use it and what for?
[12:01] <canid> any idea if after loading KDE on standard ubuntu dekstop its common for it not to get past <loading modules> on startup?
[12:01] <bulltitan> it is interesting for me
[12:01] <godzero> judgen: I thought the protected memory think was an artifact of my 68k.. 68020 and better suported prot mem.. but the never OSs (aga age) didn't?
[12:02] <godzero> I had a hevily modified A500
[12:02] <dennis_p> 68030 and up
[12:03] <bulltitan> sorry to all amiga users it wasn't an insult just curiosity
[12:03] <godzero> s/never/newer .. dennis_p: thanks
[12:03] <jorik> i upgraded to dapper yesterday and ever since, my computer freezes from time to time. I've had two freezes last night (when i tried to log out of KDE, and when i tried to log out of Gnome). this morning KDE just froze out of nowhere (i was only using opera and amarok at the time) and when i restarted my computer, it kept freezing trying to start KDE (i tried a couple times, seems it freezes right when it's trying to restart the session). I r
[12:03] <jorik> estarted again using an older kernel and while KDE started succesfully this time, my sound no longer works. i already did an apt-get update & upgrade (nothing changed), but im a bit puzzled as to what to try next. any ideas ?
[12:04] <MasterEvilAce> I messed with style settings.. how do I revert back to kubuntu defaults for everything?
[12:04] <godzero> bulltitan: heavy multimedia, desktop pub, graphics, good sound.. etc
[12:04] <bulltitan> good answer it almost make me wnat to get one
[12:04] <dennis_p> godzero: Don't thank me I was in the oposite camp :-)
[12:04] <bulltitan> want i mean
[12:05] <judgen> godzero correct
[12:05] <judgen> UzzaDead no i use wine
[12:06] <tuxcicles> I used to have an amega many moons ago, ran off of floppies, but it was cool
[12:06] <godzero> dennis_p: oposite camp? x86 ?
[12:06] <dennis_p> Atari ST / Falcon
[12:07] <judgen> bulltitan to buy an amiga now without actually been part of the amiga revolution is just stupid. as you wont have the nostalgic buzz, and you will probably dont like the speed as the max possible cpu is 733 and very expensive
[12:08] <judgen> tuxcicles floppy amigas.... i have an hdd amiga with a voodoo5 in it =)
[12:08] <godzero> atari st was an amiga w/o the graphics, or the pre-empt OS.. but was still 68k.. so not too bad
[12:08] <tuxcicles> i am talking back in the 80's here
[12:08] <bulltitan> as i said it was just curiosity not an insult and the first putter i had was an old cz spectrum b/w
[12:09] <godzero> tuxcicles: we know
[12:09] <bulltitan> i was always looking for amiga but not money enough
[12:09] <tuxcicles> i had a hardrive too, i think it costs like $500 for 20 meg
[12:09] <bulltitan> lol
[12:10] <dennis_p> yeah, pre-emptive and memory protection only came in 1992 on the atari and was end of life before it got wide use.
[12:10] <godzero> sounds about right... my first 1 MB of ram cost me $113+tax/shipping
[12:10] <judgen> tuxcicles one of theese? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amiga_1000
[12:11] <tuxcicles> the processor was in the keyboard
[12:11] <judgen> aah amiga 500
[12:11] <godzero> 500 or 600
[12:11] <judgen> then you couldnt have a hdd in it
[12:11] <bulltitan> those times,... :(
[12:11] <godzero> 1200 had a hdd
[12:11] <judgen> the 600 model was actually less good than 500
[12:11] <judgen> godzero yes it had
[12:11] <judgen> and a rom for the os
[12:11] <tuxcicles> it was external
[12:12] <judgen> damn it booted fast compared to many other oses of the day
[12:12] <godzero> slap on the side?
[12:12] <judgen> why cant i buy a kickstart rom for linux today, or any other os... that would be soo cool
[12:12] <judgen> boot ubuntu in 1sec from ddr3 =)
[12:13] <judgen> amiga 600 was the budgetmodel of the amiga 500
[12:13] <godzero> x86 arch is lame. maybe a flash disk?
[12:13] <oggers> hello. Which is the correct/recommended way to create an encrypted filesystem on dapper?
[12:13] <judgen> flash is mostly too slow to be usable, unless you want to pay four and a half fortune for it
[12:13] <godzero> oggers: at the partition level?
[12:14] <godzero> oggers: or file level?
[12:14] <resmo> hi
[12:15] <dennis_p> The Falcon 030 was quite a waste of money although you could surf the internet and read about how money was spend on the Jaguar as Atari feared for their illigal use of IBM patents after they learned how suiing worked well when they took some money from Sega.
[12:15] <oggers> godzero: at partition level
[12:15] <judgen> hehe a friend of mine modified/rewrote an entire filesystem so noone except his computer could read the partitions
[12:15] <oggers> judgen: too much work for me ;-)
[12:15] <judgen> inzane level of security =)
[12:16] <bulltitan> gotta crash see u later
[12:16] <tuxcicles> now that is security
[12:17] <judgen> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/d7/AmigaOS_3_9_Workbench.jpg
[12:17] <judgen> amiga os 3.9
[12:17] <godzero> oggers: a place to start: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=120091
 now that is security .. no not really. just obfuscation
[12:18] <tuxcicles> so secure that no one can get into it
[12:19] <godzero> I could no prob most likely
[12:19] <dennis_p> *ACCESS GRANTED*
[12:19] <godzero> but then again I did crypto a while back..
[12:19] <dennis_p> there, see
[12:20] <godzero> ;P
[12:20] <judgen> anyone looked at this system http://aros-exec.org/modules/xcgal/albums/userpics/10468/Full_Desktop.jpg
[12:20] <judgen> seems fun
[12:20] <judgen> an attempt to revive amiga on an non ppc system
[12:21] <godzero> I tried the aros system. not bad... and realyy fast... even under VM
[12:21] <godzero> 5 second boot
[12:24] <oggers> godzero: thanx, but I already knew it. I'll try to apply it on dapper.
[12:24] <godzero> I hated win95's standards.. the when I went back to Amiga OS/aros I actually got confused. Time goes quick
[12:26] <godzero> oggers: I wish I knew a quick plug-in for dapper, but There are resones it's hrd to do to say /home/mylogin... It should be looked into
[12:26] <godzero> reasons
[12:29] <dennis_p> Is there a kubuntu FAQ? after enabling available repros xine extra does not reveal itself.
[12:29] <judgen> godzero how would you proceed to getting files from an filesystem that you never have seen before and does not work as any other filesystem that you have ever seen before?
[12:30] <judgen> dennis- have you done a "sudo apt-get update"
[12:31] <walter> test
[12:32] <dennis_p> yes inside adept manager
[12:33] <arnau> Hello
[12:34] <arnau> I have kubuntu dapper but I have no sound in mozilla-thunderbird. All other applications as firefox, xine, etc., work OK. Somebody knows how to fix it?
[12:34] <godzero> judgen: think of inserting a apple floppy into a c=64's1541 drive... makes no sence at first.. but once you figure out the riles, it's pretty easy.... crypto is differenet
[12:35] <godzero> arg, i can't type
[12:36] <MasterEvilAce> am I supposed to have something for "3D Accelerator" under "opengl" in KInfoCenter?? it says Unknown..
[12:36] <godzero> crypto is when you know the rules, its still hard to de-crypt due to the math
[12:39] <godzero> MasterEvilAce: what video card do you have?
[12:39] <dennis_p> All the URLs are the same in my repositories only the Component differs. Is that wrong?
[12:40] <pekuja> probably not
[12:43] <godzero> dennis_p: here's my /etc/apt/sources.list: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15189
[12:46] <MasterEvilAce> godzero: geforce 2 GO
[12:48] <godzero> I don't have a geforce card :( I can't help
[12:50] <godzero> jorik displays his wisdom
[12:51] <slow-motion> bbl
[12:52] <Healot> hi kubuntuans
[12:52] <godzero> kubuntu? what's that? j/k.
[12:53] <godzero> all: any info on edgy?
[12:53] <MasterEvilAce> what's  good program for writing C, C#, C++ apps?
[12:54] <dennis_p> It means feline humanity on top of me
[12:54] <viksa> need help to configure by TV-CARD please
[12:55] <godzero> dennis_p: that's just wrong. wrong. wrong.wrong
[12:55] <dennis_p> heard Kate has colorfull plugins to do do programming
[12:55] <godzero> kate is not bad, but any votes for a better ide?
[12:56] <apokryphos> kdevelop is meant to be very good
[12:56] <Terminus> godzero: kdevelop?
[12:56] <Terminus> darn... apokryphos beat me to it. :p
[12:56] <chunLaptop> hello all,  i use kate as a text editor for programming
[12:56] <apokryphos> I use M$ Word
[12:56] <apokryphos> really good tools
[12:56] <Healot> MasterEvilAce: were you thinking of IDE?
[12:57] <MasterEvilAce> yeah
[12:57] <MasterEvilAce> kdevelop i think i remember using on some other distro
[12:57] <MasterEvilAce> so i shall install that
[12:57] <Healot> KDevelop or Eclipse
[12:57] <godzero> apokryphos: i agree, we all should program in ms word
[12:58] <apokryphos> umbrello is also around
[12:59] <godzero> I never used umbrello.. any good?
[12:59] <edneymatias> hello!
[12:59] <apokryphos> godzero: can't vouch for it myself, but it's quite popular, and comes by default on the Kubuntu distribution
[01:00] <apokryphos> oh wait, doesn't seem to anymore
[01:00] <apokryphos> ok...... it didn't even in hoary. Must be my imagination
[01:00] <apokryphos> available in Universe of course though
[01:00] <vinboy> umbrello is good
[01:01] <godzero> lol, tricky thing, memory
[01:02] <godzero> actally I do use kate for xhtml. Not bad
[01:02] <godzero> actually
[01:02] <apokryphos> for a couple of webpages I use kate or vim for very quick editing, for larger projects and for docbook I tend to use Quanta
[01:03] <apokryphos> they're all very good
[01:03] <godzero> I've had no luck with Quanta.. at all
[01:04] <apokryphos> what do you mean>?
[01:04] <godzero> crashes
[01:04] <apokryphos> ack
[01:04] <apokryphos> last few versions I've used have at least been very stable here; can't report having any crashes
[01:05] <godzero> I should try it again.. it's been 1/2 year
[01:05] <apokryphos> feature and functionality-wise it's an excellent application
[01:05] <apokryphos> it just really needs a usability makeover
[01:06] <apokryphos> many cases of widgets in widgets
[01:06] <jorik> ok i tried installing the binary ati (radeon 9600) drivers but nothing changed ... i still get random lockups when using the latest kernel
[01:06] <apokryphos> *problematic cases, that is
[01:06] <jorik> also, something very odd happens when i use the latest kernel: x doesnt start but draws my screen like it looked right before it crashed
[01:07] <godzero> jorik: curious.. what does it draw? The usuall psudo-grey hash pattern?
[01:09] <jorik> godzero, nope, its just my KDE session like it was before it crashed, except in the top right corner there are a few black areas
[01:09] <godzero> hrm.. thinking..
[01:10] <MasterEvilAce> so it's like a screenshot?
[01:10] <jorik> MasterEvilAce, yup
[01:10] <steph_> hello everyone, i have dapper (kubuntu), and unlike breezy my usb is not automaticaly automounted... has someone had the same pb?
[01:11] <jorik> its weird huh ? i'd never imagine linux would save that information. maybe because i didnt cut the power but just pressed reset that it's somehow still retained in my radeon's RAM
[01:11] <MasterEvilAce> jorik: or perhaps X is starting then crashing pretty quickly?
[01:11] <godzero> can you alt-f1?
[01:12] <jorik> MasterEvilAce, well, it showed a konsole in which i typed "sudo apt-g", so i dont think it's that
[01:12] <godzero> sorry: control-alt-f1
[01:12] <jorik> godzero, nope, switching consoles never worked, not on ubuntu, not on any other linux i've ever tried on this machine (gentoo, mandrake)
[01:13] <dennis_p> well i'm going to try to complete my install with http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/
[01:13] <kbrooks_> dennis-: go on
[01:13] <godzero> hrm.. sounds to me like a video driver prob. ALL: any ideas?
[01:15] <steph_> someone for usb pb? please
[01:15] <jorik> looking through launchpad it seems like im not the only one with this problem
[01:15] <godzero> jorik: laptop?
[01:16] <jorik> no it's a desktop: AMD athlon with an ATI Radeon 9600
[01:17] <kbrooks_> I HAVE A QUESTION
[01:18] <kbrooks_> WHY doesnt adept accept any --set-selections option? or even a single -o option?
[01:18] <kbrooks_> this could be a chance for easyubuntu to stop using apt-get
[01:18] <kbrooks_> and go for  adept
[01:19] <kbrooks_> we dont use apt-get on Ubuntu
[01:19] <kbrooks_> why then should the adept package manager be treated as 2nd class?
[01:20] <apokryphos> we really do use it 8)
[01:20] <kbrooks_> because it doesnt accept --set-selections or -o
[01:20] <Healot> 2nd class app? wtf?
[01:20] <kbrooks_> apokryphos: we as in EU
[01:20] <apokryphos> EU?
[01:20] <kbrooks_> we use synaptic on ubuntu
[01:20] <kbrooks_> eu = easyubuntu
[01:20] <apokryphos> right, yeah
[01:21] <apokryphos> adept is a fine and dandy GUI front-end to apt
[01:21] <ludek> Hi
[01:21] <kbrooks_> EasyUbuntu *should* use adept on kubuntu, but it isnt compatible with synaptic in that it doesnt accept --set-selections or -o
[01:22] <kbrooks_> so EasyUbuntu uses apt-get instead
[01:22] <kbrooks_> get it?
[01:22] <apokryphos> kbrooks_: mornfall's often around, I recommend asking him if there's any alternatives
[01:23] <kbrooks_> apokryphos: ^^^ - in that configuration, adept is treated as a second class applicaton
[01:23] <havoc> hmm, easyubuntu looks good for lazy people like me
[01:24] <kbrooks_> havoc: there are various bugs up on LP that coulkd be fixed if EU switched from  apt-get to adept
[01:24] <kbrooks_> havoc: for instance, Flash shows a dialog box in the CLI
[01:25] <kbrooks_> havoc: EU uses a log window
[01:25] <kbrooks_> havoc: But it sucks
[01:25] <havoc> so don't use EU?
[01:25] <Healot> EU? European Union?
[01:25] <kbrooks_> havoc: you're wrong there. we want to fix these bugs
[01:25] <kbrooks_> Healot: easyubuntu
[01:25] <havoc> ok
[01:25] <barros> hi.. yesterday i tried to compile a custom kernel.. just to confirm, the better way of doing this is getting the linux-source package and compile it, right?
[01:25] <Healot> abbreviate
[01:26] <kbrooks_> the log window shows terminal dialog window gibberish
[01:26] <kbrooks_> get it all now, y'all?
[01:26] <j0rik> k sorry, my connection dropped for a sec. if anyone said anything to me after godzero asked if i was using a laptop: i havent read it
[01:29] <godzero> My baby was born 6 years ago, today.. at about this time. Eveyone: give Stephi a "yay"!
[01:29] <havoc> Yay! :)
[01:29] <kbrooks_> apokryphos: ok, will do
[01:29] <godzero> :)
[01:30] <kbrooks_> apokryphos: does he have e-mail?
[01:31] <apokryphos> kbrooks_: http://web.mornfall.net/
[01:31] <kbrooks_> k
[01:31] <dennis_p> Well easyubuntu turned out to be easy, my dr who recordings play with sound now, thanks
[01:32] <dennis_p> too bad it had no chackmark for install and configure mythtv for NL :-)
[01:32] <kbrooks_> dennis_p: ummm.
[01:33] <kbrooks_> grr.
[01:33] <kbrooks_> my dsites down for some reason
[01:34] <barros> when I boot it up, I dont get that splash screen! do I have to enable something to it works?
[01:36] <DeadS0ul> borros do you have usplash
[01:37] <godzero> Stephi will really like that she is famous now! :)
[01:37] <barros> DeadS0ul: probably, cause when I boot the ekrnel shipped in ubuntu I got the splash..
[01:37] <barros> DeadS0ul: and I got the linux-source, from ubuntu too
[01:38] <dennis_p> Do I need to do something more after installing ssh server? "sudo /etc/init.d/ssh start" says "fail"
[01:39] <barros> dennis_p: I got this same issue.. I run it by hand and then averything worked..
[01:39] <dennis_p> how to do that?
[01:39] <godzero> dennis_p: hrm.. i get no such error
[01:39] <barros> dennis_p: just do /usr/sbin/sshd
[01:40] <barros> i dunno why, but probably some default configs is not installed with the package
[01:40] <barros> DeadS0ul: do I have to enable something in the make menuconfig?
[01:40] <j0rik> is there a safe way to downgrade back to breezy without having to re-install the entire OS ?
[01:41] <apokryphos> nope
[01:42] <godzero> j0rik: no, I don't think s. Not easily anyways
[01:47] <j0rik> is it possible to reinstall breezy over / without creating a new filesystem on / ? im thinking maybe just delete everything except /home from the live cd and then install brezzy over it
[01:48] <apokryphos> j0rik: this is one of the reasons you should have /home on a seperate partition 8)
[01:48] <imbrandon> j0rik: thats the good thing about haveing a/home partition ;)
[01:48] <apokryphos> anyhow, not sure how it is for Ubuntu. A lot of distributions tend to force you to format whatever's mounted as /
[01:48] <j0rik> thanks, i feel much better now
[01:48] <doktoreas> is there a livecd of 6.06?
[01:49] <godzero> j0rik: yes.
[01:49] <apokryphos> j0rik: what problems are you experiencing on dapper?
[01:49] <apokryphos> doktoreas: /msg ubotu faq
[01:49] <godzero> it's called dual-booting. detup hda2 (or some such) as "/"
[01:50] <godzero> s/detup/setup
[01:50] <j0rik> apokryphos, X crashes randomly, but only when i use the latest kernel (good thing i still had two older kernels), so i think it's because of 3d acceleration
[01:50] <apokryphos> j0rik: what card do you have? What errors does X give? etc etc
[01:51] <dennis_p> sudo /usr/sbin/sshd      I did, but I don't get response on its IP when i try to fish
[01:51] <j0rik> i dont know what errors X gives: it just freezes (sometimes i can still move my mouse around; but nothing "clicks" and my KB is dead too). it's an ATI Radeon 9600
[01:52] <godzero> dennis_p: fish relies on ssh on the far end
[01:52] <j0rik> i found some bugs on launchpad that might be what im experiencing (who've all -oh the joy- seem to have been downgraded from critical to normal)
[01:52] <dennis_p> yes i try to fish into this kubuntu computer
[01:52] <apokryphos> j0rik: you installed the drivers? Successfully? When X does crash, you really should look for the error message
[01:53] <themoddingden> i'm having issues with glx
[01:53] <themoddingden> in 5.10
[01:53] <themoddingden> nvidia drivers are there
[01:53] <themoddingden> logo comes up before login to kde
[01:53] <themoddingden> but running glx i get the slide show
[01:54] <godzero> dennis_p: OK, let me catch up: You have a kubuntu machine as the remote? SSH is installed on remote?
[01:55] <j0rik> apokryphos, i installed the latest drivers from ATI successfully (when i run glxinfo they show up), X seemed to crash pretty much randomly untill the last time. Now, whenever i start X, it crashes immediatly and shows what appears to be a screenshot of the last crash (i know it's a screenshot and not a new session because it has "sudo apt-g" typed into a konsole)
[01:56] <apokryphos> j0rik: so next type start x manually (startx), and see what errors it gives when it crashes
[01:57] <godzero> wow, lots of video probs
[01:58] <dennis_p> godzero: ssh server installed via adept in kubuntu. try to fish from debian computer into kubuntu like i did before installing dapper here.
[01:59] <j0rik> apokryphos, ok ill try, brb
[01:59] <j0rik> btw how do i the error log from startx ?
[02:00] <apokryphos> j0rik: the error will be output to the screen you're on, but the Xorg log is in /var/log
[02:00] <j0rik> ok
[02:01] <dennis_p> godzero: typed "/usr/sbin/sshd" gave key not allowed to read so "sudo /usr/sbin/sshd" and it prints nothing, no error no confirmation.
[02:04] <godzero> dennis_p: so, as you prooly know.. the prob is on the local machine. Permisions specificly
[02:05] <TheFuzzball> hello, I was trying to install metabar with apt and it said Errors were encountered while processing:
[02:05] <TheFuzzball>  /var/cache/apt/archives/metabar_0.7-0ubuntu2_i386.deb
[02:05] <TheFuzzball> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1), then I tried to build from source and it said (when I ran make), make: *** [all]  Error 2 and complained that it coulden't find KonqSidebarPlugin, can somebody help?
[02:05] <jorik> apokryphos, hmm odd: X started normally and direct rendering is working.
[02:05] <apokryphos> TheFuzzball: what does sudo dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/metabar_0.7-0ubuntu2_i386.deb  .......give?
[02:06] <Tallia1Kubuntu> hi there? in here somebody uses opera?
[02:06] <TheFuzzball> luke@ringo:~/tmp/28725-kmetabar-0.2-beta2/kmetabar-0.2-beta2/kmetabar$ sudo dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/metabar_0.7-0ubuntu2_i386.deb
[02:06] <TheFuzzball> (Reading database ... 241659 files and directories currently installed.)
[02:06] <TheFuzzball> Unpacking metabar (from .../metabar_0.7-0ubuntu2_i386.deb) ...
[02:06] <TheFuzzball> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/metabar_0.7-0ubuntu2_i386.deb (--install):
[02:06] <TheFuzzball>  trying to overwrite `/usr/share/icons/hicolor/16x16/apps/metabar.png', which is also in package konq-plugins
[02:06] <TheFuzzball> dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe)
[02:06] <TheFuzzball> Errors were encountered while processing:
[02:06] <TheFuzzball>  /var/cache/apt/archives/metabar_0.7-0ubuntu2_i386.deb
[02:07] <TheFuzzball> use Konqueror, or firefox
[02:07] <Terminus> !paste
[02:07] <ubotu> Please do not flood the channel http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/ for pasting long texts it does not disrupt the channel. [webboard for Ubuntu: http://www.gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=1269 : not an offical package] .
[02:07] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i want to install the mplayer straming plugin but i don't know how
[02:07] <TheFuzzball> distro?
[02:08] <godzero> I think metaba is already installed, try konqueror+f9
[02:08] <TheFuzzball> godzero, its another version
[02:09] <godzero> k
[02:13] <TheFuzzball> all I need is a file named konqsidebarplugin.h to put in metaber/src
[02:13] <jorik> apokryphos, ok it seems i cheered to soon
[02:15] <jorik> so last boot: direct rendering and sound were both OK, but when i tried running fgl_glxgears for i think about 3 seconds, X crashed again. i did a reboot without cutting full power and when X started it crashed immediatly showing the frozen glxgears from last boot a second or two and then shutting down my monitor
[02:15] <dennis_p> godzero: do you mean the host (kubuntu ssh server) is running now?
[02:16] <jorik> i cut power completely and restarted ubuntu and now X runs fine. it seems like whenever i simply press the reset button mt graphics card freaks out.
[02:21] <jorik> ugh, and then it froze *again*, this time without even touching fgl_glxgears
[02:21] <jorik> but curiously: even tho everything froze, i was still able to move my mouse around (tho nothing responded to it). my KB was dead too
[02:22] <rebegin> hey all!
[02:23] <Tallia1Kubuntu> halo? a user that uses konqueror and mplayerplugin can give me a sec?
[02:23] <rebegin> any wifi-master here?
[02:23] <DerKlops> hi
[02:23] <rebegin> i've got a small question
[02:23] <Tallia1Kubuntu> who don't :)
[02:24] <rebegin> hehe
[02:25] <DerKlops> where i can put a script, that will be always execute at start?
[02:26] <rebegin> so here it is: wifi works with ndiswrapper, but after boot i have to always enter sudo iwconfig wlan0 essid MYESSID and sudo ifdown wlan0 and sudo ifup wlan0 to get it work...any ideas how to autmotize it at boottime?
[02:27] <j0rik> mkay now it crashed trying to open kate. im using the 2.6.12-10 kernel now as it seems the crashes only happen when i use the 2/6/15-23 kernel (when i boot the 12-10 kernel it doesnt use 3d acceleration i think)
[02:28] <rebegin> DerKlops: i think to the /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh file
[02:28] <DerKlops> thx
[02:28] <rebegin> not sure though
[02:28] <rebegin> give it a try
[02:32] <DerKlops> bye all
[02:42] <synmoo> Anyone help me with a power management issue in dapper? The LCD on my laptop will not turn off. The screen blanks after the power off timer expires, but the backlight does not turn off.
[02:43] <synmoo> It's a dell Insp 8500
[02:43] <Al-Daja> web browser
[02:45] <synmoo> Al-Daja: As in, the browser is keeping the display from completely powering down? I'll do a fresh boot without opening anything and see if that does it.
[02:45] <Al-Daja> thx
[02:47] <synmoo> Al-Daja: If that is the problem, can you recommend a solution so that I don't have to close my browser all the time?
[02:50] <Al-Daja> yep system monitor and i shutdown what is powerdown
[02:50] <fred___> dfsdf
[02:50] <Al-Daja> but anyways i'm completely noob
[02:50] <Al-Daja> so don't ask me
[02:50] <Al-Daja> O:O
[02:55] <joffrey> bonjour atous
[02:56] <bdmp> !french
[02:56] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[02:56] <joffrey> :)
[02:56] <joffrey> merci bye
[02:59] <gil> i need help with klaptop
[02:59] <StR> gil: what is klaptop?
[02:59] <gil> laptop power management
[02:59] <gil> i cant place computer in standby/suspend
[03:00] <Hobbsee> gil: try kpowersave
[03:00] <gil> same results
[03:00] <noaXess_kubuntu> if i have installed kubuntu dapper drake 6.06 flight 6 and always installed the latest updates.. will my system automaticly updated to the latest kubuntu dapper drake 6.06 LTS ??
[03:00] <Hobbsee> noaXess_kubuntu: yes
[03:01] <Hobbsee> it already is :)
[03:01] <noaXess_kubuntu> hi Hobbsee.. okey :) cool
[03:01] <gil> my screen completely blanks on  resume,,,,,
[03:01] <gil> there has to be a way to get this to work
[03:01] <Hobbsee> noaXess_kubuntu: do you understand what the concept of snapshot releases are?
[03:01] <Hobbsee> gil: like...completely?  or does it come back after a while
[03:02] <noaXess_kubuntu> ony my asus w1v notebook. i have allways the problem with the graficdriver.. i need to use fglx instead of ati driver.. if i now make a fresh install i need to go to console and chanche grafic driver.. then X works
[03:02] <noaXess_kubuntu> is it possible to preconfigure this?
[03:03] <noaXess_kubuntu> Hobbsee: snapshot releases.. i think.. update and have it :)
[03:03] <gil> kpowersave places computer in suspend mode but when it comes out of suspend the screen blanks/blinks a couple of times then it locks up
[03:03] <Hobbsee> noaXess_kubuntu: yeah
[03:06] <gil> so...any ideas about suspend mode on my laptop...i have tinkered with acpi-support in many ways, still, no smoke
[03:07] <Hobbsee> gil: drat.  what model laptop?
[03:07] <gil> Toshiba M40
[03:07] <Hobbsee> !hardware
[03:07] <ubotu> hardware is, like, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport
[03:08] <Hobbsee> gil: is it listed in...no..wait..not there....the laptop testing page...
[03:08] <Hobbsee> they sometimes have solutions on what to do to get the card running
[03:08] <Hobbsee> gil: is this dapper?
[03:08] <gil> yep....just upgraded....
[03:09] <gil> the funny thing is that it used to work  a long time ago and then it just stopeed
[03:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> LaptopTestingTeam
[03:09] <gil> locks up my drivce
[03:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> gil, file a bug, noting a recesion (pity you didnt do it at the time)
[03:09] <slow-motion> re
[03:10] <gil> does anyone here have a toshiba laptop that suspends/resumes no problem
[03:13] <mtR`> hi
[03:13] <jaro> Hi guys
[03:13] <Hobbsee> gil: toshiba a10 satellite.  it sorta works.
[03:13] <jaro> I have a problem with CVS
[03:14] <jaro> whenever I want to login via emtpy password... nothing happens
[03:14] <mtR`> how can I install Irssi 0.8.9?
[03:14] <gil> Hobbsee: did you have to alter any config files
[03:14] <mtR`> what I have to type in console?
[03:14] <Hawkwind> mtR`: sudo apt-get install irssi
[03:14] <Hobbsee> no
[03:15] <Hobbsee> Hawkwind: it's installed by default
[03:15] <v3ctor> dapper has version 0.8.10
[03:15] <Hobbsee> oh
[03:15] <mtR`> hm, so where it is?
[03:15] <v3ctor> type `irssi --version`
[03:16] <mtR`> in root console?
[03:16] <v3ctor> no...never run irc as root
[03:16] <v3ctor> run in normal console
[03:16] <Chris_H> hey guys, im a bit of a linux n00b and im trying to download Audacity
[03:16] <mtR`> ok
[03:16] <AL89> i installed dapper yesterday... is "knewsticker" still available? i can't really find it in its "old place"...
[03:16] <Chris_H> im not sure which version. i downloaded the latest Kubuntu distro
[03:16] <Chris_H> is that dapper?
[03:16] <v3ctor> irssi -c <irc serv er> -n <nick>
[03:16] <AL89> yeas, Chris_H
[03:16] <Chris_H> 6.0.6 i think it is
[03:16] <Chris_H> thanks AL
[03:16] <mtR`> ok, 0.8.10
[03:17] <mtR`> but, where I can find it. :P
[03:17] <mtR`> mhm
[03:17] <Hawkwind> Hobbsee: Ah, didn't know it was installed by default.  I'm still new to all this Ubuntu stuff yet :)
[03:17] <Hawkwind> mtR`: As normal user type: irssi  or irs(hit the tab key)
[03:17] <v3ctor> mtR`: which irssi
[03:18] <Hobbsee> Hawkwind: it is :)  Which means that you can technically use it, while your system finishes configuring, which is nice :D
[03:18] <Chris_H> i got the .deb file
[03:18] <Chris_H> how do i put it on there
[03:18] <Chris_H> ?
[03:18] <mtR`> ok, it works I think
[03:18] <Chris_H> sorry if im too n00bish!
[03:19] <v3ctor> sudo apt-get install audacity
[03:19] <klimek> ok, it works xD
[03:19] <klimek> thanks :)
[03:20] <AL89> Chris_H, query
[03:20] <Chris_H> yeah AL
[03:20] <Chris_H> i have the .deb file of Audacity, but im a bit of a linux newbie
[03:20] <Chris_H> how do i put it on there
[03:21] <Jack_Sparrow> I am new to KU but I seem to be having problems, installed and grub bootloader messed up boot to XP, HD install has errors assertion failed , adept keeps crashing, all on multiple installs on diferent computers
[03:21] <Chris_H> i have the latest Kubuntu AL89
[03:22] <v3ctor> sudo dpkg -i <adacity>.deb
[03:22] <Fillado> Chris_H all you should need to do is type "sudo apt-get install audacity"
[03:23] <Chris_H> thanks fillado
[03:23] <Chris_H> appreciate the newbie help! :D
[03:23] <Chris_H> Linux is a bit scary tbh
[03:23] <Fillado> lol
[03:24] <AL89> :P
[03:24] <Fillado> it used to be way more when you had to go around the internet looking for all sorts of dependencies
[03:24] <cfraz89> well its nearly  the end of 06/06/06
[03:25] <v3ctor> just starting here
[03:25] <klimek> does anyone know how to change screen resolution?
[03:25] <v3ctor> klimek: you can use system settings
[03:25] <jaro> Can someone help me resolve this thing with CVS ???
[03:25] <Fillado> should just be in system settings klimek
[03:26] <klimek> hm, they are not resolution settings :P
[03:26] <v3ctor> system setting > display
[03:26] <klimek> or don't see it
[03:27] <klimek> ok ok, i have ;)
[03:36] <noaXess_kubuntu> is there a repo for freeswan? ipsec package..
[03:38] <v3ctor> is it much different than openswan?
[03:39] <havoc> openvpn
[03:53] <heyall> hi guyz
[03:53] <heyall> i was wandering how lond does it take to ship the cd's?
[03:54] <heyall> :)
[03:54] <heyall> :)
[03:54] <heyall> : )
[03:54] <heyall> people?
[03:56] <Hawkwind> heyall: The site says about 6 weeks when you order them
[03:56] <ubuntu_> hi all. may I ask a question_
[03:56] <Hawkwind> ubuntu_: You just did :P
[03:57] <heyall> they are shiped from nerthalands ?
[03:57] <heyall> the cd's i mean!
[03:57] <luh> heyall, no clue - why not just download it?
[03:57] <heyall> i have no  burner :(
[03:58] <heyall> my other pc is gone
[03:58] <Hawkwind> heyall: I'm sure they are shipped from headquarters
[03:58] <heyall> for a while
[03:58] <luh> Ubugtu, what is your question?
[03:58] <Hawkwind> heyall: You don't have friends ?
[03:58] <luh> download it on another machine
[03:58] <Hawkwind> heyall: Or a local lug
[03:58] <heyall> ya
[03:58] <heyall> :(
[03:58] <ubuntu_> ^^ I'm planning on installing kubuntu on my pc, on a secondary hard disk. I have windows on a raid0 over two sata drives and I'm not sure if the kubuntu or boot manager could break the windows partition
[03:58] <heyall> can i format the disk and install inux?
[03:59] <luh> no local lug? no friends?
[03:59] <heyall> have friends
[03:59] <heyall> but do u know how long it takes
[03:59] <luh> Uberriffic, well - if you don't break the windows partition why should kubuntu?
[03:59] <luh> well ask them to download it for you
[03:59] <heyall> i have a high speed internet i downloaded it in 1 hour
[03:59] <luh> yes - i have a very slow dsl connection
[03:59] <luh> just upgrading on dapper - it'll probably last another 10 hours
[04:00] <heyall> wtf
[04:00] <haakonn> running the latest kubuntu (fresh install, fresh user) i have a problem: kweather is not configured, and when i right-click and choose "Configure KWeather", i get a window saying "Empty Page" and there's nothing there
[04:00] <heyall> 10 hours
[04:00] <heyall> are u crazy?
[04:00] <heyall> do u have dilaup?
[04:00] <luh> take your harddisc to a friends and burn it there
[04:00] <ubuntu_> well, I'll just try it. wish me luck ^^
[04:00] <luh> i did that a lot when i had no burner
[04:00] <luh> heyall, well i wanted kubuntu - so i did that
[04:00] <heyall> :(  my friends are not that good in computers ill ask my sis to buy a burner today
[04:01] <heyall> should i burn all files
[04:01] <heyall> on the disc
[04:01] <luh> nope - i have a connection where i get about 40 kBytes max speed
[04:01] <heyall> without editing anything
[04:01] <heyall> wtf i get 3mb in a very good day
[04:02] <heyall> and on bittcommet 200KB :) use bitcomet dude  :)
[04:02] <luh> well  I'm living in the country side
[04:02] <heyall> me in amsterdam
[04:02] <luh> i use wget
[04:02] <luh> because i can't have my computer running all day long
[04:02] <luh> wget is very nice
[04:02] <heyall> should i burn all the files on the pc!?
[04:03] <heyall> the cd*
[04:03] <luh> heyall, - why don't you just download the iso-file for the install disc, - and burn it - and than download the rest via internet
[04:03] <bal> sorry to ask, but how do i open a fuse-2.5.3.tar.gz??
[04:03] <luh> it'll do that without no problems, that's probably how everyone does it with a normal kind of internet connection
[04:03] <heyall> how big is the iso file?
[04:04] <heyall> i have an usb miniharddisk
[04:04] <luh> bal - tar xzvf fuse-2.5.3.tar.gz
[04:04] <luh> about a cd size
[04:04] <bal> i type that, in konsole?
[04:04] <heyall> am  waiting so hard for linux cant wait to use it
[04:04] <heyall> holyshit
[04:04] <haakonn> bal:  fuse is probably harder to set up than you want to deal with :)
[04:04] <heyall> i have like 8mb
[04:04] <luh> yes
[04:04] <heyall> 80*
[04:05] <heyall> 80mb
[04:05] <bal> hasskonn: is there an easier way, to view NTFS?
[04:05] <heyall> on the usb drive
[04:05] <haakonn> bal:  not sure
[04:05] <haakonn> though i don't know how fuse will help you view ntfs
[04:05] <imbrandon> bal: ntfs read is in the kernel
[04:06] <luh> bal - this just opens the compressed tarball - don't ask me how to deal with it - ok?
[04:06] <bal> imbrandon: does that mean its built in?
[04:06] <imbrandon> bal: just type "sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/hddX /mount/point"
[04:06] <heyall> i am working on a fully C++  MMORPG
[04:06] <heyall> :)
[04:06] <heyall> :(
[04:06] <heyall> brb
[04:07] <Terminus> imbrandon, bal: that doesn't set perms for regular users. "sudo mount -t ntfs -o umask=0222 /dev/hdX /mnt/point" might be a better idea. :)
[04:07] <imbrandon> heyall: please watch your lang in here
[04:08] <heyall> kk   what a late reaction man!!
[04:08] <heyall> sorry
[04:08] <bal> ok thanks
[04:08] <bal> ill try it
[04:08] <Shaezsche> ubuntu recognizes a hardware knob on my laptop to adjust volume, but kubuntu does not. Why is that? shouldnt hardware recognition be the same for both versions? any idea how i can fix this?
[04:09] <bal> terminus: mount: mount point /mnt/point does not exist
[04:09] <bal> is what it replied
[04:10] <Terminus> bal: you're supposed to replace /dev/hdX and /mnt/point with the appropriate parameters. :)
[04:10] <imbrandon> bal:  that statement was intended to be replaced by where you want it mounted
[04:10] <bal> oh...
[04:11] <bal> that seems too complicated for me
[04:11] <imbrandon> what /dev is your ntfs partition on ?
[04:11] <bal> G:/   ?maybe
[04:11] <imbrandon> hehe no
[04:11] <imbrandon> ok ........
[04:11] <bal> lol, ill look hold on
[04:11] <Terminus> imbrandon: i don't think he knows about partitions and stuff. :)
[04:11] <Terminus> bal: what does "sudo fdisk -l|grep NTFS" return?
[04:11] <imbrandon> Terminus: yea just relized that
[04:12] <bal> /dev/hdb1               1       10010    80405293+   7  HPFS/NTFS
[04:12] <bal> /dev/sda1   *           1       23878   191800003+  17  Hidden HPFS/NTFS
[04:13] <luh> imbrandon, just missing "I'm using linux 6.06 - can someone help me" *scnr*
[04:13] <imbrandon> luh: i dont understand what your asking?
[04:13] <bal> basicly one partition of mine (ntfs) has become inactive, and windows can't read it, so i thought id try reading through linux. but im new to linux
[04:13] <Hobbsee> luh: no, they dont even say the 6.06 part - they just say linux, or kubuntu
[04:14] <Terminus> bal: you probably want "sudo mkdir /mnt/hdb1 && sudo mount -t ntfs -o umask=0222 /dev/hdb1 /mnt/hdb1"
[04:14] <luh> imbrandon, - that was meant as joke - we get this in another channel quite often - linux 6.06 or linux 10.1
[04:14] <Terminus> bal: if the stuff you're looking for isn't in hdb1, try hda1.
[04:14] <imbrandon> ahh ;)
[04:14] <bal> ok
[04:14] <Terminus> bal: i meant sda1 instead of hda1. =D
[04:14] <luh> Hobbsee, there is a channel were linux 10.1 is very common - and it's a running gag for those who have been there for a longer time
[04:15] <Hobbsee> luh: yep.  suse?
[04:15] <bal> ok, i think it is on sda1
[04:15] <luca__> hello
[04:15] <luca__> udev is causing a lot of problems
[04:15] <Shaezsche> what file system do most people use for linux? ext3?
[04:15] <luca__> . /dev/null is not created with 0666 permissions
[04:16] <Hobbsee> Shaezsche: ext3 or reiserfs, i tihnk
[04:16] <luca__> so x does not start
[04:16] <luca__> any idea?
[04:16] <luca__> why isn't udev active by default?
[04:17] <luca__> i wonder how kubuntu handles usb replugging without udev
[04:17] <Shaezsche> reiserfs is the same as reiser4 right?
[04:17] <Terminus> Shaezsche: nope. :)
[04:17] <Shaezsche> what is the big differences?
[04:17] <bal> Terminus: is this what you meant? ''sudo mkdir /mnt/sda1 && sudo mount -t ntfs -o unmask=0222/dev/sda1/mnt/sda1''
[04:18] <defrysk> shachaf, reiser 4 is the latest but not compatable with grub afaIk
[04:18] <defrysk> shachaf, so if you use reiser4 use lilo or make sure to use another fs for /boot
[04:18] <Terminus> bal: yes... it's umask, not unmask, and there should be spaces between umask /dev and /mnt.
[04:19] <bal> ok
[04:19] <makko> why can't i connect to the x11 server in a root konsole (after i run "sudo konsole")? ndazza: when i run "sudo konsole", i cannot open any x11 app from that konsole; but, when i run "sudo xterm", i can run any x11 app. how do you explain that? it doesn't look like a permissions issue to me.
[04:20] <Shaezsche> will reisterFS give me a faster responding system than ext3? i.e. will it boot faster and be more responsive?
[04:20] <RadiantFire> Shaezsche: it won't boot faster
[04:20] <Hobbsee> Shaezsche: no, check out "how to make your system faster the way you can feel it" on ubuntuforums.org in teh howto section
[04:20] <defrysk> ext3 is not as good on big files
[04:20] <defrysk> but on average ext3 is a safe default I think
[04:21] <v3ctor> ext3 is safe general purpose
[04:21] <defrysk> yes
[04:21] <defrysk> and ultra stable
[04:21] <Healot> defrysk: you can configure ext3 fs to handle huge fuile
[04:21] <v3ctor> yes
[04:21] <defrysk> Healot, I did not know that
[04:21] <v3ctor> xfs is your best bet for huge files
[04:22] <RadiantFire> what is jfs good for?
[04:22] <defrysk> xfs has a rep of "dataloss"
[04:22] <defrysk> RadiantFire, jfs is good for nothing
[04:22] <RadiantFire> thats sad
[04:22] <v3ctor> lol
[04:22] <RadiantFire> las time I compiled a kernel i came across it and wondered why it was there
[04:22] <RadiantFire> I've never heard of anyone using it
[04:23] <Healot> well, when install. you can select the inode option to "news" "defaults" "largefile"
[04:23] <v3ctor> true..use xfs is you have stable environment on ups
[04:23] <defrysk> RadiantFire, I tried it and its slower tham melasses in january
[04:23] <RadiantFire> roflmao
[04:23] <Healot> or you can format using fdisk and supply the inode option
[04:23] <RadiantFire> thats fun
[04:23] <v3ctor> Healot: that just determines how many inodes get created
[04:23] <Healot> yeah
[04:23] <RadiantFire> inodes are fun :-)
[04:23] <v3ctor> yes
[04:24] <v3ctor> love inodes
[04:24] <RadiantFire> I've always wanted to find someone who ran out of inodes and had like 30GB left on his fs
[04:24] <Healot> the less inode means larger file can be created
[04:24] <defrysk> Healot, I'll remember that
[04:24] <v3ctor> no
[04:24] <bal> Terminus: does this mean, its allready accessable? ''mkdir: cannot create directory `/mnt/sda1': File exists''
[04:24] <RadiantFire> less inodes means fewer files can be created
[04:24] <v3ctor> less inodes means smaller inode talbe and fewer inodes
[04:25] <Healot> yes... fewer files in huge size...
[04:25] <Terminus> bal: that means the directory already exists. just mount it.
[04:26] <Tallia1Kubuntu> HEY!? do you know a way to copy the firefox bookmarks into konqueror?
[04:26] <RadiantFire> i discovered a cool new feature in konqueror
[04:26] <Tallia1Kubuntu> thxn
[04:26] <Tallia1Kubuntu> RadiantFire: like?
[04:27] <Healot> Tallia1Kubuntu: Bookmark -> Edit Bookmark
[04:27] <RadiantFire> import mozilla booksmakrs from there
[04:27] <Healot> then File -> Import -> Firefox bookmark
[04:27] <Tallia1Kubuntu> mhh.... didn't see it :) tnx
[04:27] <RadiantFire> omg thats so cool!
[04:27] <bal> Terminus: i get ''mount: only root can do that'' (thanks for your help btw)
[04:27] <systest> Strangeness with KLaptop, performance profile changes bogomips but not CPU speed. Is this expected?
[04:27] <ukdave> hi linux people
[04:27] <RadiantFire> if you press control in konqueror it now gives you shortcut keys for all the links
[04:27] <Healot> wellm :Mozilla:
[04:28] <luca__> archive.ubuntu.com dapper/main udev 079-0ubuntu34 [239kB] 
[04:28] <luca__> Scaricato 239kB i
[04:28] <luca__> sorry
[04:28] <luca__> udev is causing a lot of problems in ubuntu, with regard to /dev/null being not writeable. x does not start. how to fix this?
[04:28] <ukdave> does anyone one know how to get the go menu with recent history in konqueror, I'm using dapper
[04:28] <Terminus> bal: you missed the sudo. :)
[04:29] <Healot> systest: CPU speed id determined by the board... BOGOmips by apps
[04:30] <RadiantFire> ukdave I think you have to restore the default kde profiles
[04:30] <ukdave> my /dev/null is set to rwrwrw or 666 as it's today-ur the bleedin antichrist-lol
[04:30] <systest> Healot:  Undrstood, but find it odd that they don't change in the same way.
[04:30] <ukdave> how do u do that
[04:30] <systest> Healot: also believe that means that I'm not really seeing a speed increase when plugged in.
[04:30] <Healot> Bogomips is fake... CPU cycle is real...
[04:30] <systest> i.e. bogomips are just that, bogus
[04:31] <systest> cross typed
[04:31] <Healot> hence BOGO
[04:31] <Healot> linux kernel is the worst kernel on determining MIPS :)
[04:31] <systest> So, KLaptop is broken on my IBM T42.
[04:31] <Healot> imho
[04:31] <RapaElo> hello
[04:32] <Healot> AMD 64 2800+ --> 3K++ MIPS?
[04:32] <Healot> hello!
[04:32] <simp> hello i have a big problem... while in linux my PC just crashes or something, i can't do anything and the screen stucks... but the quality of the picture isn't same anymore...
[04:33] <Tallia1Kubuntu> RadiantFire: what was so hot in konqueror?
[04:33] <Healot> WE've been conq
[04:33] <Healot> 'ed
[04:34] <bal> Terminus: i think ive made progress, so far ::
[04:34] <bal> bal@ubuntu:~$ sudo mount -t ntfs
[04:34] <bal> /dev/hdb1 on /media/hdb1 type ntfs (rw)
[04:34] <bal> /dev/sda1 on /windows type ntfs (rw)
[04:34] <RadiantFire> Tallia1Kubuntu: go to a website and then just hit ctrl
[04:35] <Tallia1Kubuntu> yes?
[04:35] <RadiantFire> its freakin sweet
[04:35] <RadiantFire> thats it
[04:35] <Tallia1Kubuntu> what?
[04:35] <RadiantFire> it'll pop up a list of little panes next to the links
[04:35] <bal> im positive its the sda1, i need to access
[04:35] <RadiantFire> with numbers and letters
[04:35] <RadiantFire> and if you press the number you go to the link
[04:35] <RadiantFire> its awesome for me on this laptop, cuz I hate touchpads with a passion
[04:36] <Tallia1Kubuntu> oh, yeah..
[04:36] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i have seen that few days ago
[04:36] <Tallia1Kubuntu> :)
[04:36] <Tallia1Kubuntu> lazy people stuffs
[04:36] <Tallia1Kubuntu> :)
[04:36] <Tallia1Kubuntu> like i am
[04:36] <Terminus> bal: you shouldn't mess up the directory structures. filing 101. :)
[04:37] <RadiantFire> i'm not lazy, i just suck at controlling the mouse via the control pad
[04:37] <Terminus> bal: /mnt is the canonical mount point for misc filesystems and /media is the canonical mount point for removable filesystems.
[04:38] <Terminus> bal: err... they contain the mount points.
[04:38] <Healot> mousekey, RadiantFire?
[04:38] <Terminus> bal: the umask=0222 parameter is supposed to give you the ability to access the partitions with limited access.
[04:38] <ukdave> simp: u need to explain from the beginning as the pc boots up
[04:38] <makko> in amarok, how can i setup mouse wheel to modify the volume only one percent at a time rather than eight or four?
[04:38] <Terminus> bal: if in doubt, just umount them and start over.
[04:39] <bal> Terminus: im not sure how to do most of what you just said..sorry
[04:39] <Terminus> ubotu: tell bal about ntfs
[04:39] <bal> do they need to be mounted for me to access the data?
[04:40] <Terminus> bal: yes, they should be mounted AND they should have the proper permissions. the link ubotu gave you should help you. :)
[04:41] <simp> ok ukdave, well i boot up the system properly... log on, and then after a while the crash happens... i get a "scrappy" screen that has been frozen and have to do a hard reset
[04:42] <ukdave> simp: so it works ok and you get to the log on screen and then what happens
[04:44] <simp> no ukdave i can even log on
[04:44] <simp> anyway sorry have to go
[04:44] <simp> i'l be back in an hour or two
[04:45] <ukdave> if the u can log in and ur screen is just rubbish it sounds like linux cannot handle ur video card
[04:45] <henning> hi
[04:45] <linuxbambi> somebody has an idea why my amarok does not play any mp3s anymore
[04:46] <linuxbambi> i installed all the codecs and it worked fine, i restartet my pc and no it does not play and tracks
[04:46] <Terminus> linuxbambi: what package did you install? i only needed libxine-extracodecs and everything worked fine.
[04:47] <makko> in amarok, how can i setup mouse wheel to modify the volume only one percent at a time rather than eight or four?
[04:51] <linuxbambi> hey my adept has deinstalled too much programms including apept itself!
[04:51] <linuxbambi> is there a way to repair this?
[04:52] <imbrandon> linuxbambi: try "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop" in a terminal
[04:52] <RadiantFire> roflmao?
[04:52] <imbrandon> ?
[04:52] <RadiantFire> adept can uninstalled itself?
[04:52] <RadiantFire> i feel like someone should build something into adept to prevent that
[04:52] <imbrandon> no idea
[04:53] <RadiantFire> make you use apt-get to remove it
[04:53] <linuxbambi> lol shit, i can't even get apt-get install kubuntu-desktop via console
[04:53] <imbrandon> ok watch the lang, but what error do you get ?
[04:53] <RadiantFire> linuxbambi: i feel like it may be time for you to attempt to use the Rescue broken system
[04:54] <linuxbambi> how to?
[04:54] <imbrandon> what error does it give you ?
[04:55] <linuxbambi> unable to lock the administration directory
[04:55] <imbrandon> did you use sudo ?
[04:57] <RadiantFire> imbrandon: On a somewhat random topic, I've noticed a bunch of people come in here with adept crashes and then get the error message about unable to get a lock, other process using it, I wonder if that should go in the FAQ somewhere or something
[04:57] <imbrandon> maybe
[04:57] <imbrandon> RadiantFire: brb, but yea sounds good , maybe look for a wiki related to that and add it
[04:58] <_chavo> If adept crashes it most likely leaves the dpkg subprocess running, and you can't use apt-get then
[04:58] <HymnToLife> RadiantFire> people don't read FAQs anyway
[04:58] <bal> Terminus: if you can still remember my situation, will this commad set my acess ''/dev/sda1   /media/windows   vfat   ro,auto,user,fmask=0111,dmask=0000'' ?
[04:58] <Samuli^> what's the use of it being in the FAQ. As I remember it says "Maybe some other program is trying to use it" Or similar after the error.
[04:59] <Terminus> bal: nope. /dev/sda1  /media/windows  ntfs  defaults,umask=0222  0  0
[04:59] <Samuli^> "You can only have one package manager running" etc. It's pretty obvious anyways.
[04:59] <_chavo> Samuli^, we can explain how to terminate the process
[05:00] <RadiantFire> Samuli^: no, there is no other program using it, the lock is just not removed since there are unconfigured packages
[05:00] <RadiantFire> its like the "wrong" error message
[05:00] <RadiantFire> you can even manually delete the locks
[05:00] <RadiantFire> and it won't work
[05:00] <bal> Terminus: that was ':permission denied'
[05:00] <Samuli^> RadiantFire, I see your point, but I wasn't talking about your problem in particular.
[05:04] <Terminus> bal: what do you mean permission denied? during mount? or are you editing fstab without root perms?
[05:05] <bal> bal@ubuntu:~$ sudo /dev/sda1  /media/windows  ntfs  defaults,umask=0222  0  0
[05:05] <bal> sudo: /dev/sda1: command not found
[05:05] <Davidosky> Hi all
[05:06] <bal> Terminus: i just put the line you gave me, into konsole, and i got this
[05:06] <bal> bal@ubuntu:~$ /dev/sda1  /media/windows  ntfs  defaults,umask=0222  0  0
[05:06] <bal> bash: /dev/sda1: Permission denied
[05:06] <HymnToLife> bal> this is not a command
[05:06] <HymnToLife> you have to ad this line at the end of /etc/fstab
[05:08] <Davidosky> Who know how can i configure a wireless lan with Kubuntu Dapper? (network card: Intel PRO/Wireless 2200BG)
[05:09] <DeadS0ul> oooo
[05:09] <DeadS0ul> I go tthat working
[05:09] <Davidosky> @_@
[05:09] <DeadS0ul> get knetworkmanager, iwconfig, and uh...what else
[05:10] <bal> well ive got the drive mounted, for sure. but i get confused doing the permissions, i was trying to follow that webpage.
[05:10] <thompa> did anyone have issues with the kde 3.5.3 upgrade?
[05:10] <DeadS0ul> you'll need to download ipw2100/ipw2200 firmware too,
[05:10] <RadiantFire> so, when I install knetworkmanager it never goes past configuring interface
[05:10] <RadiantFire> does anyone know what I have to do?
[05:11] <thompa> my "get new wallpapers" has gotten slow on the get. takes forever
[05:11] <Terminus> bal: err... that line is meant to be in /etc/fstab. it's not supposed to be a command that you're gonna run. i formatted it that way because the previous line you gave me sort of looked like it belonged in an fstab.
[05:11] <Davidosky> mmm.... ok let's try with this program! :D
[05:12] <thompa> I thought the ipw2200 firmware is there, or the driver is?
[05:12] <bal> Terminus: so im meant to put in on ''gksudo gedit /etc/fstab'' that??
[05:12] <thompa> i got ipw2200 runs no problem
[05:13] <DeadS0ul> didja get wpa working? I havent' tried that yet
[05:13] <Terminus> bal: yes. or "kdesu kate /etc/fstab" if you're running kubuntu.
[05:14] <Davidosky> thompa: where i can download ipw2200 firmware?
[05:14] <DeadS0ul> google it
[05:14] <DeadS0ul> there's a sourceforge link for it
[05:14] <thompa> Davidosky: its on intels web site or sourceforge
[05:14] <bal> Terminus: yes, i am on kubuntu. is this the whole comand then? kdesu kate /etc/fstab /dev/sda1  /media/windows  ntfs  defaults,umask=0222  0  0
[05:15] <DeadS0ul> if you're in kde just do alt+f2 gg:linux ipw2200
[05:15] <thompa> Davidosky: I did not need it, ipw2200 is included in the kernel already
[05:16] <thompa> Davidosky:http://ipw2200.sourceforge.net/
[05:16] <Terminus> bal: no. you're supposed to edit /etc/fstab.
[05:16] <thompa> Davidosky: you shouldnt need it though, and it may make things worse
[05:17] <davide> i'm back :D
[05:18] <thompa> Davidosky: did you go to system settings: network settings?
[05:18] <brandon_> can somebody try this login: cvs -d:pserver:anonymous@mplayerhq.hu:/cvsroot/ffmpeg login
[05:18] <brandon_> just hit enter when it asks for a password
[05:18] <chavo> connection refused
[05:19] <brandon_> thank you
[05:19] <davide> thompa, i have downloaded knetworkmanager from our repository
[05:20] <thompa> is that the same thing,?
[05:21] <thompa> why not first do it the right way in network settings, log on as admin
[05:21] <thompa> ipw2200 always works on our laptops in kubuntu
[05:23] <balld> That's why I switched from Suse, thompa...worked fine in 9.3 and 10.0 but had configuration problems with ipw2200 in 10.1,  showed everything, and all modules were loaded, but I couldn't get wpa working correctly...so now I'm a Kubuntu newbie :)
[05:24] <thompa> same here in suse internet is dead
[05:25] <davide_> i have configured a wireless lan with knetworkmanager... and it works fine!
[05:25] <balld> Yep, I have no problems now
[05:26] <thompa> sorry ive never used it, my laptop works fine without it
[05:26] <bal> Terminus: does this look like im on the right track? http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v237/ali1/snapshot1.png
[05:26] <thompa> what does it do?
[05:27] <thompa> oh, i see it alows fast switching to networks
[05:27] <balld> Shows (and allows you to configure) all network connections...not too mention switch networks
[05:28] <Terminus> bal: yeah, that looks about right. just make sure that the /media/windows directory exists and everything should work.
[05:28] <bal> thing is, i think its just /windows, not /media/windows
[05:29] <Terminus> bal: well, you're the one who made the directory so you're the one who should know.
[05:29] <thompa> i used knetworkmanager in suse, just installed it here. looks familiar
[05:29] <thompa> it never worked in suse
[05:29] <davide_> mmm now i have another question... how can i configure a lan with this pc (Kubuntu) and another one with Kubuntu? (both of them are connect at the same roter)
[05:31] <davide_> (router)
[05:31] <balld> Yeah thompa, that's the problem I had...works flawlessly for me in Kubuntu
[05:31] <jpatrick> !fish
[05:31] <ubotu> I heard fish is A way to access another computer's files using a simple SSH shell account and standard UNIX utilities on the remote side.
[05:31] <thompa> there must be a reason knetworkmanageris not installed by default though
[05:31] <jpatrick> thompa: there is, but my brains come to a halt
[05:31] <thompa> maybe knetworkmanager is not as secure
[05:32] <thompa> if it connects without asking maybe..
[05:33] <balld> I'm not sure as I've only connected on my home network(wired and wireless) but it asked me to open kwallet where my wpa key is stored...wired is Dhcp for my mac address here
[05:33] <pm> has anyone seen a good description of installing xgl on kubuntu?
[05:33] <jpatrick> !xgl
[05:33] <ubotu> xgl is probably "XGL on Ubuntu: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CompositeManager - Join #ubuntu-xgl for all the XGL fun on Ubuntu systems. It works ONLY on dapper. Pretty videos on http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease/"
[05:33] <jpatrick> pm: ^ be happy
[05:34] <thompa> will xgl work in kubuntu? i had all sorts of problems in beta
[05:34] <dr_willis> it should.
[05:34] <dr_willis> but ive never had xgl work worth a poo on my system. :P
[05:34] <slow-motion> bbl
[05:35] <robin> try kororaa for xgl :)
[05:35] <davide_> who know how can i configure a lan beetwen this pc with Kubuntu (on wireless connection) and another pc with Kubuntu (on ethernet connection)? both of them are connected to the same router.
[05:35] <robin> just download it, works cool :D
[05:35] <thompa> it worked fine in ubuntu when i tried it, but in kde some things did not
[05:35] <robin> it's a live cd
[05:35] <chavo> thompa, I run xgl and kde
[05:35] <bal> Terminus: ive done everything, from that webpage, and i can't see any files in the partition
[05:35] <robin> only I'm stuck in the water dropping feature..
[05:35] <thompa> chavo: are you running nvidia?
[05:35] <balld> robin, I tried that, but the install scripts didn't work correctly for my system..
[05:35] <chavo> the desktop pager doesn't work but that's it
[05:35] <chavo> yes nvidia
[05:36] <thompa> chavo: is there a sure way to disable it in case
[05:36] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i need a konqueror file/web user...
[05:36] <Tallia1Kubuntu> when i put a http:// shouldn't konqui switch to web-view?
[05:36] <Tallia1Kubuntu> it doesn't for me
[05:37] <chavo> thompa, yes, you just have to revert your kdmrc to load normal X
[05:37] <thompa> chavo: early on i had problems with celestia and some other apps
[05:37] <chavo> thompa, I haven't tried celestia
[05:37] <robin> balld:  I'm talking about the livecd, it just to test it. works ok for me
[05:38] <nysosym> please help me, i use Dapper Drake LTS with KDE 3.5.3 and Nvidia drivers (nvidia-glx + xorg.conf "nv" in "nvidia"), but the system will not logout/shutdown/restart, only a black screen and the system hangs. Can anyone help me please?
[05:38] <chavo> thompa, I have to start another xserver to play 3d games though. I usually log out of KDE to play games anyway
[05:39] <balld> robin: Right, but there's also a install command, and when I tried to install to hd, it just hangs. Unless I've got my distro's mixed up.... :)
[05:39] <thompa> chavo: bzflag?
[05:39] <chavo> never tried it
[05:39] <robin> balld: could be, haven't try it out.
[05:39] <bal> Thanks for your help, but im going to try a different approach
[05:39] <dr_willis> nysosym:  try getting to X from 'startx' (boot to the console, or kill the kdm service) and see if it starts/exits normally then. (as a test)
[05:40] <chavo> frozen bubble doesn't  work
[05:40] <thompa> i dont think i need xgl on here, maybe on the laptop
[05:41] <nysosym> dr_willis: okay i will try it thx, brb
[05:42] <dr_willis> Hmm...
[05:45] <kujeger> I seem to have some problems installing LGP's update/uninstall tool, as well as Majesty Gold. Keep getting   "lgp_update/setup.sh: line 53:  7392 Segmentation fault      "$setup" $*       The setup program seems to have failed on x86/glibc-2.1"
[05:45] <kujeger> any ideas?
[05:45] <davide_> who know how can i configure a lan beetwen this pc with Kubuntu (on wireless connection) and another pc with Kubuntu (on ethernet connection)? both of them are connected to the same router.
[05:46] <dr_willis> davide_:  i think ya need to draw a picture. :P
[05:47] <dr_willis> if they all got ips and can ping the router. they should be able to ping each other
[05:47] <dr_willis> (unless therss somthing odd on your network)
[05:47] <davide_> mmm but how can i share on this lan?
[05:48] <davide_> (share file i mean)
[05:48] <dr_willis> thats where 'samba' is used.
[05:48] <dr_willis> :)
[05:48] <davide_> samba it's hard to configure?
[05:48] <noaXess_kubuntu> whats the best, and fastest tool to create an ISO from a secured cdrom? with dd?
[05:48] <dr_willis> people get 'network' and 'shareing files' confused. lol.. You can have them networked with no file shareing. its just a service that runs on top of it.
[05:48] <dr_willis> !samba
[05:48] <ubotu> from memory, samba is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SettingUpSamba or http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/samba2/book/toc.html
[05:49] <noaXess_kubuntu> davide_: samba is easy :)
[05:49] <dr_willis> kde and gnome both have file shareing features.
[05:49] <dr_willis> samba is a very big and detailed system. that has a lot of neat features. Worth reading about
[05:49] <davide_> i have heard that there is a GUI for samba called Smb4k... is it true?
[05:49] <dr_willis> One thing thats often over looked is to give the linux users a 'samba' password. with 'sudo smbpassed -a username'
[05:49] <dr_willis> I use smb4k all the time
[05:50] <dr_willis> theres dozens of gui-samba-share browsers like smb4k
[05:50] <dr_willis> smb4k is "NOT" a gui for 'samba configuration'
[05:50] <moopere> smb4k is the only samba browser/mounter I've found that works properly under dapper tho
[05:51] <dr_willis> moopere:  not sure. :P its the only one i use. lol
[05:51] <davide_> so i need to download samba, configure it and than i can use a gui like smb4k... right?
[05:51] <dr_willis> ive not noticed if you still have to suid the smbmount and smbumount commands.
[05:51] <b0uncer> hi everyone! how do I get screenshots during kubuntu 6.06 installation, so they're saved and ready for use after the installation completes?
[05:51] <moopere> davide_: you can just apt-get smb4k, then u can browse smb/cifs shares right away
[05:51] <dr_willis> you can proberly browswe them with the normal KDE file manager now. :P
[05:52] <_Pete_> moopere: from the cmdline too ?
[05:52] <dr_willis> theres a differeance btweeen 'mounting' them and just 'browseing' them with the file manager
[05:52] <moopere> _Pete_: No, not the cmd line - you will need smbclient for that
[05:52] <dr_willis> smb:/
[05:52] <dr_willis> :)
[05:53] <dr_willis> the file managers under kde and gnome are both getting some dang handy features
[05:53] <_Pete_> moopere: ok, is smb4k gnome/kde specific ? e.g. if you use KDE and some other programs, can they access the shares also ? what come in mind, like XMMS/beep-media-player/VLC ?
[05:53] <moopere> dr_willis: yeah, but few of these nifty new features are as useful as they seem - for instance, most programs will not work until you 'mount' a share
[05:54] <moopere> _Pete_: kde, it pulls in about 150MB of kde stuff if you try to install from gnome/xubuntu
[05:54] <dr_willis> moopere:  only problem ive seen with the not mounting them - is video players wanting to copy the video to the hd befor it plays
[05:54] <dr_willis> but i tend to set up perment mounts anyway :P
[05:54] <moopere> dr_willis: ya, which can be pretty funny on a wireless link when you want to watch a dvd :))))
[05:55] <dr_willis> I do think the gnnome/kde des need a better way or mounting the smb shares.  :P but that could be considered a security issue i guess
[05:55] <moopere> and its the mounts that get all weird on you.  Win2K3 servers for instance will only work 'out of the box' with cifs, not with smbfs
[05:56] <dr_willis> and then ya got the 'spaces and oddities' in the file names. :P or the encrypted vs non encrypted passwords...
[05:56] <dr_willis> its amazing how badly ms did that cifs stuff
[05:57] <moopere> I cant see why I can right click on a share I've just surfed in konq and mount it
[05:57] <moopere> can=can't
[05:57] <nysosym> dr_willis: i can`t change the terminal, the computer crashs and there are some colored artefakts...
[05:58] <moopere> nysosym: and then you cant get back to x right?
[05:58] <dr_willis> nysosym:  clarify that statement.
[05:58] <nysosym> moopere: right
[05:58] <nysosym> :-/
[05:58] <nysosym> i think the problem is the nvidia driver...
[05:58] <nysosym> but in RC1 all working very fine :(
[05:59] <moopere> nysosym: I've seen this on an old machine of mine with an S3 card, the S3 driver is stuffed.  Try using VESA and see if the problem is that same
[05:59] <moopere> what nvidia card u have?
[05:59] <nysosym> GFX 5900 Ultra
[06:00] <DaveQB> anyone here got a MSI K8N Neo2 NF3 platinum motherboard? Or simply knows of its compatibility ?
[06:00] <moopere> nysosym: should be fine, I've got a 5700 and it works great. Try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, set back to nv driver (make sure it works) then try nvidia-glx enable again, should be fine
[06:01] <nysosym> thx, i will try it
[06:01] <nysosym> brb
[06:01] <synmoo> I'm having trouble getting my laptop display to turn off properly. When the power off timer expires, lines appear on the screen, the backlight stays on, and the image slowly 'bleeds' away as if the power has been removed from the LCD but not the backlight. It's a Dell Insperon 8500 with an Nvidia GF4.
[06:03] <moopere> synmoo: I've heard about this but not seen it - isn't there a special 'glue' program in the repo's made to fix this problem (anyone?) - do a search in synaptic on backlight
[06:04] <synmoo> Would it be in universe? haven't added synaptic.
[06:04] <moopere> synmoo: it might be, I've not used it, but read something about this problem on ubuntuforums.org
[06:05] <synmoo> moopere: thanks. I appreciate it.
[06:06] <synmoo> moopere: It's the only thing keeping me from attempting to use kubuntu full time on that machine. That and video fails to init when coming out of hibernate and suspend.
[06:06] <davide_> i have installed smb4k and i have configured a password (sudo smbpasswd name)
[06:06] <moopere> synmoo: Ah, hibernate and suspend, the holy grail for all linux distros
[06:07] <davide_> now, on smb4k, i can see this lan but i can't mount anything
[06:07] <synmoo> moopere: Indeed. If it were a desktop machine I wouldn't care less. Actually, if the display would power down properly, I wouldn't really ever need to suspend or hibernate.
[06:07] <moopere> davide_: what happens when u try to mount something?
[06:08] <moopere> synmoo: I've long since given up on hib/sus, even on winxp it seems hit n miss, some machines it works, others it won't
[06:09] <synmoo> moopere: On this machine, the insp 8500, even booting is hit or miss. The worst video card I've ever had the displeasure of dealing with.
[06:09] <synmoo> moopere: when it works, it works fine. Just plagued with intermittent init issues
[06:09] <moopere> synmoo: Really?  What vid u got?  I'm on an inspiron 8200 right now with a gf440go, seems good
[06:10] <synmoo> moopere: Insp 8500 with the same.
[06:10] <moopere> synmoo: wow, weird, this machine has been solid for me under warty, hoary, breezy now dapper
[06:11] <synmoo> I've re-seated the card on numerous occasions. No luck. I assume my individual card is the culprit.
[06:11] <davide_> when i try to open a resource on lan (like a directory) smb4k says: "smbmnt must be installed suid root for direct user mounts (1000,1000)"
[06:11] <synmoo> moopere: Correction, It's actually a Geforce 4 4200go
[06:11] <moopere> davide_: oh, ok, yep, I prolly had to do that too but have forgotten
[06:11] <davide_> :(
[06:12] <moopere> davide_: open a terminal, cd to /usr/bin
[06:12] <moopere> davide_: then chmod +s smbmnt
[06:13] <davide_> done
[06:14] <davide_> COOOOOOOL
[06:14] <davide_> works!!
[06:14] <davide_> moopere thx!! :D
[06:19] <synmoo> moopere: do you have the information for the synaptics repo?
[06:21] <magicbronson> hi, anyone know anything about editing smb.conf?
[06:21] <iNiku> magicbronson: that's kinda vague
[06:21] <magicbronson> sorry...
[06:21] <magicbronson> i want to set up my samba share to allow only certain users to connect
[06:22] <jpatrick> magicbronson: man:/smb.conf in konqueror
[06:22] <iNiku> man smb.conf has all the options
[06:22] <magicbronson> but the kubuntu 'sharing' gui seems broken
[06:22] <magicbronson> i looked at the manpage
[06:22] <synmoo> moopere: Nevermind! Success! I ran dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and redid the config that was created installing dapper. The backlight now turns off properly.
[06:22] <magicbronson> i wasn't able to tell how
[06:23] <magicbronson> i have an external hard drive mounted at /media/sda that i want to share via samba
[06:23] <Terminus> magicbronson: i'm not sure what other options are necessary, but you'll want security = user and then you should just use smbpasswd to add your users and their passwords.
[06:23] <magicbronson> ok, i've done all that
[06:23] <Terminus> magicbronson: did it work? :)
[06:24] <magicbronson> what i want to do is have only two users that can access the share: one is myself, with admin access, and the other is guest, which has only read access
[06:24] <magicbronson> how do i set that up?
[06:24] <Terminus> magicbronson: the passwords for winme and below and win2k and up are different from each other so you'll have to take care of that...
[06:24] <magicbronson> Terminus: partially. i was able to mount it from another computer using my account but i only had read access
[06:25] <Terminus> magicbronson: i just use chmod to limit access...
[06:25] <magicbronson> Terminus: i only care about mounting it from my Mac, so does that matter?
[06:25] <Terminus> magicbronson: i don't know anything about macs.
[06:25] <magicbronson> Terminus: ok, well i think it doesn't
[06:25] <iNiku> magicbronson: it shouldn't matter
[06:26] <magicbronson> what happens if i screw something up and i want to start from scratch?
[06:26] <iNiku> make a backup copy of your smb.conf before you start playing with it?
[06:26] <Terminus> magicbronson: what i did here, is place myself in the staff group, have the dir owned by root:staff, and give it 0775 perms. that way people who aren't root or members or staff are read only.
[06:26] <magicbronson> right but then how do you delete all samba users you've added?
[06:27] <Terminus> errr... members of staff.
[06:27] <magicbronson> makes sense
[06:27] <iNiku> magicbronson: um... make a copy of the samba passwd file, too?
[06:27] <Terminus> magicbronson: well, if you want, purge the entire thing and install again.
[06:28] <magicbronson> so all the settings are contained within smb.conf and smbpasswd?
[06:28] <dr_willis> !samba
[06:28] <Tallia1Kubuntu> how to change the default browser? i used to use firefox for long time.. now i am moving toward konqueror..
[06:28] <ubotu> I guess samba is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SettingUpSamba or http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/samba2/book/toc.html
[06:28] <dr_willis> that last URL is a Must read/bookmark :P
[06:29] <magicbronson> i've looked at the second one, but the last looks promising
[06:29] <magicbronson> thanks
[06:29] <dr_willis> the last is the Using samba book. :P in html form
[06:29] <dr_willis> its a little out of date in some ways. but still solid info.
[06:30] <Terminus> magicbronson: samba has a bunch of files /var/lib/samba/ and /var/cache/samba/
[06:30] <magicbronson> i thought so
[06:30] <magicbronson> so if you want to reset it do you have to purge those, or is the best bet to just uninstall the package?
[06:30] <magicbronson> (does that remove caches and such?)
[06:30] <Tallia1Kubuntu> how to change the default browser? i used to use firefox for long time.. now i am moving toward konqueror..
[06:31] <Terminus> magicbronson: uninstall will definitely not remove the config. purge should. i'm not sure if that includes files in /var
[06:31] <magicbronson> ok, thanks
[06:31] <iNiku> magicbronson: you can also remove a samba user with smbpasswd -x
[06:32] <magicbronson> right
[06:33] <Tallia1Kubuntu> how to change the default browser? i used to use firefox for long time.. now i am moving toward konqueror..
[06:33] <iNiku> Tallia1Kubuntu: !repeat
[06:33] <iNiku> !repeat
[06:33] <ubotu> Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly, if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you.  You can search https://help.ubuntu.com or http://wiki.ubuntu.com while you wait. Please give it 10 to 15 minutes before asking a second time, thanks.
[06:33] <Tallia1Kubuntu> !not answer
[06:33] <ubotu> Tallia1Kubuntu: Some people juggle geese. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[06:34] <dr_willis> !look in the menus
[06:34] <ubotu> dr_willis: I give up. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[06:34] <dr_willis> !think
[06:34] <dr_willis> :P
[06:34] <ubotu> What? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, dr_willis
[06:34] <Tallia1Kubuntu> nobody reads things that are outside the screen
[06:34] <magicbronson> oh, another question: when is "/etc/init.d/samba restart" necessary instead of just "/etc/init.d/samba reload"
[06:34] <Tallia1Kubuntu> !enjoy
[06:34] <ubotu> Tallia1Kubuntu: Huh? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[06:35] <dr_willis> magicbronson:  ive never actually done a reload. :P i guess ya would want to reload when  you got active samba connections
[06:35] <iNiku> Tallia1Kubuntu: it's a little frustrating when someone repeats the same question over and over again, when no one knows the answer
[06:35] <magicbronson> fair enough
[06:35] <dr_willis> or when the answer is right in the logical setting/control panel place.
[06:35] <iNiku> dr_willis: that, too
[06:35] <Tallia1Kubuntu> yeah, maybe that was too often... it seemed to be more time to me.. ops :)
[06:36] <dr_willis> settings->kde_components->default applications.
[06:36] <kkathman> would anyone have an idea why kubuntu would not be able to process my keyboard, while ubuntu/gnome handles it just fine on the same box
[06:36] <dr_willis> it pays to 'explore' the  kde settings. :)
[06:36] <Tonio_> yo
[06:36] <kronoz> still 950+ people from the dapper rush in #ubuntu :)
[06:37] <iNiku> kronoz: I think the most I saw was 1085 :)
[06:37] <kkathman> dr_willis: well, that goes without saying, however, it just "stopped" one evening and never worked again
[06:37] <iNiku> could barely read my own text...
[06:37] <moopere> kronoz: crazy stuff eh?  How can anyone talk in a room with a thousand people in it?
[06:37] <kkathman> and the keyboard is just fine, works with SUSE and works with ubuntu on the same box :)
[06:38] <dr_willis> moopere:  1/2 of them are ideling. and the other half are asking questions in the FAQ.
[06:38] <kkathman> so obviously its kubuntu. But a developer did tell me that there was an annoying bug regarding the keyboard but didnt get much more specific
[06:38] <dr_willis> and the other 1/2 are just enjoying the show. :P
[06:38] <kronoz> moopere: oddly gentoo usually has about 1000 people all the time, prehaps because it is so difficult :p
[06:39] <synmoo> moopere: did you see mt earlyer messages? running dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg fixed the problem.
[06:39] <synmoo> moopere: choose the nvidia proprietary rather than the nv driver.
[06:40] <synmoo> moopere: Still cannot recover from suspend to disk or suspend to ram though. But I suppose that is somewhat moot now that the display turns off properly.
[06:41] <moopere> synmoo: I got disco'd :)  Sorry
[06:42] <moopere> synmoo: So u running the nv driver or the nvidia one now?
[06:42] <synmoo> moopere: no problem.  I seem to have all of the deal-breaker issues out of the way. Perhaps I can use this as my primary OS.
[06:42] <synmoo> moopere: nvidia
[06:42] <magicbronson> quick question: does a semicolon in front of a line in smb.conf comment it out? if so, what's the difference between ; and #?
[06:42] <dr_willis> magicbronson:  some programs use dofferent comment characters
[06:43] <dr_willis> ; is a comment for samba config files
[06:43] <magicbronson> it seems to use hash too
[06:43] <moopere> synmoo: I'm thinking of ditching XP for good on the main box and just vnc or rdesking into a win2K box for quickbooks from my kubuntu box on an 'as needed' basis
[06:43] <dr_willis> and a # is also. :P
[06:43] <dr_willis> ; is in front of lines that you may want just 'uncomment'
[06:43] <dr_willis> # is documention comments - it seems
[06:44] <magicbronson> that's what i thought, thanks
[06:44] <dr_willis> read the file. :P about line 8 - explains their use of ; and #
[06:44] <dr_willis> :P
[06:44] <magicbronson> oh, i must have missed that at the top
[06:44] <dr_willis> line 10 specificially . :P
[06:44] <magicbronson> you win!
[06:45] <synmoo> moopere: I have an older dell stashed away in my closet running win2k 24/7 for my file sharing/torrenting needs. I could drop in there as needed. I also have a WinXP MCE box in my home theatre rack.
[06:45] <synmoo> moopere: I tried myth tv, I really did. I just isn't ready for prime time.
[06:46] <magicbronson> what do PDC and BDC stand for?
[06:46] <moopere> synmoo: Yeah, I know what u mean - u just have to use the best app for the job
[06:46] <synmoo> magicbronson: primary domain controller and backup dc
[06:46] <b0uncer> damn
[06:46] <moopere> synmoo: I've not found a replacement for dvdshrink/dvddecrypter either
[06:47] <b0uncer> why don't I get any sound out of the KDE cd-player, when all the annoying sound effects do work (like when I log in)?
[06:47] <magicbronson> hmm, where could i look up what that means? i'm not understanding the whole "Domains" sectin of smb.conf
[06:47] <synmoo> magicbronson: I assume you're configuring samba? are you trying to join a windows domain?
[06:47] <magicbronson> no, set up my own
[06:47] <synmoo> magicbronson: you're tyring to set up your own windows domain? are you just trying to share files with your other home windows boxen?
[06:47] <b0uncer> could anybody help me get some sound out of the cd player?
[06:47] <magicbronson> well, mac, but yes
[06:48] <moopere> b0uncer: you got an audio cable from your cd drive to your sound card?
[06:48] <Terminus> magicbronson: if you're gonna have just two users, you don't need a domain. :p
[06:48] <b0uncer> Moopere, this is a laptop
[06:48] <synmoo> magicbronson: If you set up a windows share on the mac, you should be able to connect to it with kubuntu with no additional config.
[06:48] <b0uncer> so I could guess yes
[06:48] <moopere> b0uncer: ah, pretty recent lappy?
[06:48] <henyar> hi everyone
[06:48] <b0uncer> moopere, yes, bought just two days ago
[06:48] <henyar> I cant update to dapper
[06:49] <synmoo> b0uncer: and already dumping windows? :-)
[06:49] <henyar> because I had already installed crystall package
[06:49] <b0uncer> synmoo, I did that before the first boot ;)
[06:49] <henyar> and it conflicts with kwin-crystal
[06:49] <moopere> b0uncer: chances are that there is no audio out cable from the CDROM - XP etc now uses digital as default, this can be a problem for linux
[06:49] <henyar> apt-get remove crystal doesn't work
[06:49] <henyar> and now kubunt-default settings is not installing
[06:49] <b0uncer> moopere, how on earth?
[06:50] <b0uncer> why would it be
[06:50] <serenity> hi
[06:50] <moopere> b0uncer: I don't know how to set digital audio out (in??) under linux
[06:50] <serenity> i have an entry in adapt but this peice of software can't be deinstalled
[06:50] <serenity> what should i do?
[06:50] <b0uncer> oh man
[06:51] <b0uncer> I'm starting to hate Microsoft and their devilish creations more and more day by day
[06:51] <moopere> b0uncer: you might have to google this one if noone knows the answer here
[06:51] <b0uncer> guess so..thanks anyway, I hope I get this working
[06:52] <dennis_p> relax klik and play a game of planetpenguin-racer and be happy (yeah my nvidia drivers work)
[06:52] <Tallia1Kubuntu> guys, i have a problem with konqueror.. when i am in the address bar, when i press a modifier key (ctrl, alt or shift) the cursor moves automatically to the address that is already typed in, for example i can't add a semicolon in the middle of an address, or correct it, if i mistyped.. do you have any suggestion?
[06:53] <defrysk> b0uncer, just use xmms as cd player with the cd plug in
[06:54] <dennis_p> Ther were not that many games in kubuntu repository so I used debian games http://klik.atekon.de/wiki/index.php/How_to_use_klik
[06:55] <b0uncer> defrysk, I wouldn't want to install too many "external" apps to this system..if I have a cd player, I'd like it to work
[06:55] <moopere> b0uncer: Hey, I see on kde 3.5.3 (maybe 3.5.2 too!) that you can set kcd for digital audio, try that, its not the default but can be set from options
[06:55] <dr_willis> i just enable all the other repos. :P
[06:55] <b0uncer> moopere, really? I'm gonna try ->
[06:55] <defrysk> b0uncer, then check if you have the cd audio cable installed and otherwise get one
[06:56] <magicbronson> in smb.conf, what's the difference between 'writable = no' and 'read only = yes' ?
[06:56] <b0uncer> defrhy
[06:56] <b0uncer> sorry
[06:56] <b0uncer> defrysk, I wonder why a laptop would not have it installed?
[06:57] <defrysk> its unlikely its not there
[06:57] <moopere> b0uncer: only because a lot of new machines, both laptop and desktop are made for XP, I've seen heaps of machines this year go past my desk with no audio cable
[06:57] <b0uncer> really?
[06:57] <defrysk> Moo, didnt know that
[06:58] <moopere> b0uncer: yep, its the way of the future (cough!)
[06:58] <b0uncer> hmm..but doesn't such a thing belong to the laptop when I buy it?
[06:58] <b0uncer> I mean, I'm buying a working system
[06:58] <b0uncer> not some cable-missing trash
[06:58] <defrysk> b0uncer, yes
[06:58] <moopere> b0uncer: not necessarily
[06:58] <defrysk> ic
[06:58] <iNiku> b0uncer: you'll get better audio using digital extraction, anyway
[06:58] <moopere> b0uncer: you will have built in sound on the lappy, it probably doesn't have an audio 'in' port any more, I know all the current intel desktop boards don't have audio in any more
[06:59] <iNiku> chances are the d/a converter on your audio chip is better than the one in the cheapo cd-rom
[06:59] <iNiku> dunno about kcd, but there has been a cd-da plugin for xmms for years
[07:00] <b0uncer> well what would be the easiest way to get this thing work?
[07:00] <pablo_> alguien ha conseguido meter XGL en KDE ?
[07:00] <b0uncer> besides getting xmms
[07:01] <moopere> b0uncer: kdc -> extras -> configure kcd -> use direct digital
[07:01] <moopere> kdc=kcd
[07:01] <b0uncer> moopere, tried that, and it's telling me (even as root) that I don't have permissions on /dev/hdc
[07:01] <b0uncer> :(
[07:01] <b0uncer> what should the "sound device" be?
[07:01] <defrysk> b0uncer, use kdesu
[07:02] <b0uncer>  /dev/snd/control-something ?
[07:02] <Admiral> does anyone know how to prompt for passwords in samba
[07:03] <Admiral> i have the users set up but i dont know how to make samba prompt them for passwords when they try to acess files
[07:03] <iNiku> Admiral: you mean they can mount your samba share with no password?
[07:04] <b0uncer> does it have something to do with this that when I open Amarok, the part of the menu that'd let me play an audio cd, is grayed out?
[07:04] <dale_gribble> i've noticed that no sound plays after upgrading from breezy to dapper, does anyone have any suggestions?  I see the EQ moving in amarok
[07:04] <Admiral> people on the windows computers can see the files
[07:05] <visik7> smb protocol sucks
[07:05] <Admiral> visik7: serisusly
[07:05] <visik7> btw
[07:05] <b0uncer> what's wrong with it
[07:06] <visik7> I'm serius
[07:06] <b0uncer> "serious" you mean
[07:06] <b0uncer> or "sirius", perhaps? :)
[07:06] <Admiral> b0uncer: its a b to set up
[07:07] <Admiral> what security level should i be running?
[07:07] <visik7> user
[07:07] <visik7> if no special needs
[07:07] <b0uncer> admiral, it's a what? :)
[07:07] <b0uncer> just tried XMMS, it is "playing" the cd too but no sound coming out...
[07:07] <Admiral> beast
[07:07] <b0uncer> admiral, how so?
[07:08] <b0uncer> I don't think I had too much problems with it last time.
[07:08] <b0uncer> more than with Windows file sharing, anyway
[07:08] <Admiral> i've been at it for like 8 hours
[07:08] <Admiral> at least
[07:09] <Admiral> point is, how can i get users to log in
[07:09] <dale_gribble> i wonder if a different module or something has to be loaded
[07:09] <dale_gribble> i have alsa running
[07:09] <b0uncer> how can you not, Admiral?
[07:09] <b0uncer> what's the exact problem?
[07:10] <Admiral> security level ATM is user. it allows people to read all share names before a log in is required
[07:10] <Admiral> i want to first log in, then look at files
[07:11] <b0uncer> read the man pages already?
[07:11] <Admiral> yea
[07:11] <Admiral> its crap
[07:11] <iNiku> Admiral: share names or file names?
[07:11] <Admiral> i hate the documentation for samba
[07:11] <b0uncer> well, I guess you can have problems with it :) I just set up shares that didn't need anything supernatural...
[07:12] <Admiral> i don know what any of that means?
[07:12] <Admiral> *!
[07:12] <Admiral> what is the difference
[07:12] <iNiku> Admiral: a share is a network drive that someone can mount
[07:12] <iNiku> a file is a file, obviously
[07:12] <Admiral> yea i get the file part
[07:12] <iNiku> Admiral: shares are by default browseable, which means everyone can see what shares a computer offers
[07:13] <iNiku> but when you try to connect to a share (to mount the network drive), you are asked for a user name and password
[07:13] <Admiral> i can see the files without logging in (on windows)
[07:13] <iNiku> do you have the same user name and password on the windows box as in samba?
[07:13] <b0uncer> exit
[07:13] <b0uncer> damn
[07:13] <b0uncer> :D
[07:13] <b0uncer> wrong window
[07:14] <Admiral> what do  you mean on windows?
[07:14] <iNiku> Admiral: you said you can see the files on your linux box from your windows machine without any password?
[07:14] <iNiku> Admiral: so, do you log in to the windows box using the same user name and password that you have configured in samba?
[07:15] <Admiral> you mean log in to the actual OS?
[07:17] <iNiku> Admiral: yes
[07:18] <iNiku> Admiral: it may be trying the same username and password automatically to connect to the samba share
[07:18] <iNiku> or it may not, dunno. I don't really do windows.
[07:19] <desarrollo01> Hello
[07:19] <_Shade_> how do i change the gtk based applications look to my qt theme ?
[07:19] <desarrollo01> bobesponja
[07:19] <ctw> Hi, is there an easy way to use a custom keyboard layout (I'd like a mix between the American and German layout)
[07:20] <bobesponja> desarrollo01: yes
[07:20] <simp> ok ukdave, well i boot up the system properly... i log on, and then after a while the crash happens... i get a "scrappy" screen that has been frozen and have to do a hard reset...
[07:20] <desarrollo01> hola que tal ???? de donde eres???
[07:20] <defrysk> _Shade_, systemsettings appearence
[07:20] <_Shade_> i've got gtk-engines-qt package installed but it doesn't work (i tried synaptic - it looks the same)
[07:21] <desarrollo01> Hola Me podrias explicar este medio
[07:21] <iNiku> !es
[07:21] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[07:21] <_Shade_> defrysk: i know, there's a section called gtk themes but it doesn;t work for me
[07:21] <anna__> Is there a development metapackage for kubuntu?
[07:22] <frank_> anna__: there is build-essential
[07:22] <defrysk> no gtk styles and fonts
[07:22] <anna__> Thanks frank!
[07:22] <frank_> compiler, make, etc
[07:22] <defrysk> _Shade_, set it to use my kde style in gtk apps
[07:22] <anna__> :)
[07:22] <defrysk> and use my kde fonts an kde apps
[07:23] <_Shade_> defrysk: already done, and nothing :(
[07:23] <defrysk> _Shade_, klicked apply ?
[07:24] <_Shade_> defrysk: sure
[07:24] <Wes> Who is the adm ???
[07:24] <defrysk> _Shade_, too bad then
[07:24] <Wes> Ese soy yo Mario
[07:24] <_Shade_> it seems to work for firefox, but not with synaptic
[07:25] <defrysk> _Shade_, correct synaptic does not take
[07:26] <tRSS> GL screensavers don;t work. any ideas?
[07:26] <_Shade_> defrysk: some time ago i found geramic theme for gtk which is keramic equivalent for gtk but i cant find it fo kubuntu
[07:26] <Admiral> i set the security level to user
[07:27] <Admiral> is the way to go?
[07:27] <_Shade_> defrysk: i use synaptic because i find adept sucks
[07:27] <defrysk> _Shade_, apt-cache search geramik and take your pick
[07:27] <tRSS> apt-get rocks!
[07:27] <Admiral> anyone know how i can set up samba?
[07:28] <defrysk> hehe
[07:28] <tRSS> my GL screensavers aren't working. any ideas about how I can fix it?
[07:29] <_Shade_> defrysk: and can i install some themes from gnome-look,org and use them without having gnome installed ?
[07:29] <defrysk> no
[07:29] <defrysk> _Shade_, nope
[07:29] <defrysk> _Shade_, apt-cache search geramik and take your pick
[07:30] <defrysk> tRSS, got acceleration ?
[07:30] <tRSS> defrysk: how can I check?
[07:30] <defrysk> glxinfo | grep direct
[07:30] <defrysk> do that
[07:30] <_Shade_> defrysk: it gives... nothing
[07:30] <defrysk> nothing ?
[07:31] <defrysk> _Shade_, got universe/multiverse ?
[07:31] <_Shade_> def exactly
[07:31] <tRSS> defrysk: I get this: direct rendering: No \n OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect
[07:31] <_Shade_> just universe
[07:31] <defrysk> tRSS, then your ss wil not do gl
[07:31] <defrysk> _Shade_, get multiverse
[07:31] <tRSS> defrysk: :( but thanks for your help
[07:32] <_Shade_> defrysk: ok can you give me some details ?
[07:32] <defrysk> _Shade_, for what ?
[07:32] <defrysk> hot to set it up ?
[07:32] <defrysk> how*
[07:32] <Wes> excuse me for interrup your conversation, i speak spanish and so so english, and i want make a question... Where are you from?
[07:32] <_Shade_> defrysk: the url etc
[07:32] <defrysk> url for multiverse ?
[07:33] <defrysk> !repos
[07:33] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource.
[07:33] <defrysk> read ubotus message
[07:33] <jaro> can somebody help me convert .tga to .png right ?
[07:34] <henning> hi all i installed nvidia-glx package but i can't see the nvidia logo or choose higher solutions, is there something i forgot to do?
[07:34] <defrysk> jared_, not sure but you could try the gimp
[07:34] <defrysk> henning, in dapper ?
[07:34] <henning> yeah
[07:34] <jaro> ok, but how can i  do it all in one step ?
[07:34] <jaro> i dont want to convert them one by one
[07:34] <defrysk> henning do sudo nvidia-xconfig
[07:34] <jaro> that would take ages
[07:35] <defrysk> jaro, dunno
[07:35] <jaro> apt-get install dunno
[07:35] <henning> i did, what now? restart session?
[07:35] <defrysk> henning and do after restarting X  glxinfo | grep direct to check if it works
[07:36] <defrysk> henning, yes restart x
[07:36] <[BU] Brizz> does anyone know how to integrate kpdf with firefox so it opens inside the Firefox window?
[07:37] <Magoo> kpdf ?
[07:37] <Magoo> sorry !
[07:37] <linuxbambi> ahm i guess it did not work
[07:37] <bhna> [BU] Brizz: there is no kpdf plugin for firefox
[07:37] <linuxbambi> i still saw no logo
[07:37] <[BU] Brizz> bhna: is there any pdf integration for Firefox on KDE?
[07:38] <linuxmonkey> how do I update to kde 3.5.3, i allready added the repo
[07:38] <tRSS> when I upgraded from breezy to dapper, my k3b mysteriously disappeared!? although, it was not a big deal, I simply apt-get'ed it, but is this normal?
[07:38] <defrysk> [BU] Brizz, you could get mozilla-acroread for pdf as plug-in
[07:38] <bhna> [BU] Brizz: there is an acrobat-reader plugin for firefox, (or kpdf in konqueror)
[07:39] <[BU] Brizz> defrysk: do I need to do anything other than an apt-get?
[07:39] <defrysk> [BU] Brizz, restart firefox
[07:39] <defrysk> thats it
[07:39] <[BU] Brizz> kewl :_)
[07:39] <linuxbambi> i still don't see the nvidia logo
[07:40] <_Shade_> defrysk: it worked, i wonder if it does to the other apps as well
[07:40] <linuxmonkey> linuxbambi: i didnt see a nvidia logo and it works for me
[07:40] <defrysk> linuxbambi, glxinfo | grep direct
[07:40] <defrysk> check it out
[07:40] <[BU] Brizz> hmm is mozilla-acroread not on universe?
[07:40] <defrysk> the logo it not seen on speedy pc's
[07:41] <bhna> [BU] Brizz: multiverse
[07:41] <defrysk> [BU] Brizz, probably on multi
[07:41] <linuxmonkey> any one got the steps to install KDE 3.5.3?
[07:41] <bhna> linuxmonkey: yes
[07:41] <thompa> !kubuntu
[07:41] <ubotu> rumour has it, kubuntu is Ubuntu+KDE  ; see http://kubuntu.org and you can go to #kubuntu for KDE-related help, or install from Ubuntu: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop; ISOs: http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/breezy/
[07:41] <[BU] Brizz> how do I add multiverse?
[07:41] <[BU] Brizz> !multiverse
[07:41] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource.
[07:42] <thompa> the steps are on the kubuntu site
[07:42] <linuxmonkey> thompa:  i didnt see them
[07:42] <bhna> [BU] Brizz: you can do it with adept
[07:42] <linuxmonkey> the only thing i seen is to add repo's for it wich ive done
[07:42] <thompa> http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-353.php
[07:42] <thompa> well thats all you do, then update
[07:43] <thompa> dist-upgrade or whatever
[07:43] <RadiantFire> I've found 2 glitches
[07:43] <RadiantFire> icons no longer lock to grid
[07:43] <RadiantFire> and kdm lineedits draw without frame
[07:43] <[BU] Brizz> well I know how to add them I just need the lines to add
[07:43] <RadiantFire> but other than that its all good
[07:43] <thompa> the columbia.edu repo is down so leave that one out
[07:43] <tRSS> thompa: i have kde-3.5.2, how can I upgrade to 3.5.3?
[07:44] <tRSS> thompa: i got 3.5.2 when I upgraded to dapper
[07:44] <thompa> add these to your repos http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-353.php
[07:44] <taw> hello :-)
[07:44] <thompa> leave out columbia.edu
[07:44] <thompa> then adept will say you got updates waiting
[07:45] <defrysk> tRSS, http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-353.php
[07:45] <thompa> gnuchess is running away process and would not stop
[07:46] <linuxmonkey> thompa: thanks i had forgotten to save my sources.list
[07:46] <linuxmonkey> its working now :)
[07:46] <Shaezsche> any idea why my kubuntu feezes on the load splash screeN? it loads everything up, then the loadbar gets stuck
[07:46] <RadiantFire> roflmao @ linuxmonkey
[07:46] <linuxmonkey> i know thats what happens when you try to work so fast
[07:47] <thompa> you may have to reboot, i had a problem with desktop settings initially
[07:47] <taw> i have a few small problems with kubuntu (dapper drake) :-)
[07:47] <taw> first, can i get the automounter to simply automount everything, instead of making the popups ?
[07:48] <thompa> something is messed up with the chess programs, gnuchess takes all cpu and wont shut off
[07:48] <taw> and second, what the heck is gam_server and why is it sometimes taking so much cpu :-D
[07:48] <RadiantFire> thompa: use "knights" and "phalanx"
[07:48] <robin> anyone here using rt2500 wifi card ?
[07:48] <RadiantFire> knights is a kde program, annd phalanx is its backend
[07:48] <Shaezsche> is there a repair command from safemode? just a general check/repair for a linux noob?
[07:48] <thompa> i was using knights and gnuchess
[07:48] <robin> I can't get it to work with WPA :\
[07:48] <RadiantFire> thompa: use phalanx as the backend instead
[07:48] <robin> !rt2500
[07:48] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, robin
[07:48] <thompa> ok thanks
[07:49] <Shaezsche> is there a repair command from safemode? just a general check/repair for a linux noob?
[07:51] <thompa> RadiantFire: how do i get knights and phalanx to work?
[07:51] <thompa> RadiantFire: should it show up in book engines?
[07:53] <Jack_Sparrow> Shaezsche: do you have an idea of the problem?
[07:53] <Jack_Sparrow> grub or ?
[07:54] <Shaezsche> i have no idea, it booted fine last night
[07:54] <Jack_Sparrow> I was trying to add a mounted drive and could not get in until I edited a file etc/fstab
[07:54] <Shaezsche> the Only thing i can think of is i was giving my main user administrative controls in one of the settings options
[07:54] <Jack_Sparrow> Dual boot system?
[07:54] <Shaezsche> yes its dual
[07:55] <Shaezsche> it will load everything up on the splash screen, then blink black and come back to the kubuntu splash again and just freeze
[07:55] <Jack_Sparrow> Im very new here myself, I have used Mepis for years
[07:55] <Shaezsche> i can power down, and it will unload everything
[07:55] <Shaezsche> so the system is still responsive
[07:55] <kronoz> Sheazsche, how many times have you tried to boot it?
[07:55] <Jack_Sparrow> did you change screen settings res
[07:55] <Shaezsche> nope
[07:55] <defrysk> Jack_Sparrow, mepis switches to ubuntu and you decided to do the same ?
[07:55] <Jack_Sparrow> what about F2 on boot to try and see where it is crashing
[07:55] <kronoz> Shaezsche: i've had that problem before
[07:55] <Jack_Sparrow> Yes
[07:56] <thompa> when i play knights the computer just sits there and does not move
[07:56] <Jack_Sparrow> I wanted a jump start with whatever warren comes up with
[07:56] <kronoz> Shaezsche: it's usually becuase something is wrong with xorg and it isn't starting
[07:56] <Chris_H> i have a problem trying to install Audacity on my machine
[07:56] <thompa> so im missing an engine maybe, but the requirements are all there
[07:56] <Chris_H> and im a bit of a linux newbie, can someone translate what it's saying?
[07:56] <kronoz> Shaezsche: have you changed anything to do with x.org? System Settings > display or /etc/X11/xorg.conf?
[07:57] <Jack_Sparrow> Will Audacity give my built in audio back its surround sound feel?
[07:57] <kronoz> !tell Chris_H about paste
[07:57] <kronoz> Chris_H ok
[07:57] <Chris_H> trouble is kronoz, im not on Linux noew
[07:57] <Chris_H> *now
[07:58] <Chris_H> okay, i burned the .deb file onto a disc and called it "Linux apps" cause i intend to put other stuff on there
[07:58] <robin> Anyone here using rt2500 wifi card succesfully with WPA ?
[07:58] <Chris_H> im using the latest Kubuntu Dapper 6.06 and the latest stable linux Audacity version (for ubuntu based distros)
[08:00] <Chris_H> then when i put the disc in, it appears on the desktop, so i open the folder and the .deb file is in there
[08:00] <Chris_H> i right click on it, and i choose "Install"
[08:00] <Chris_H> before i get onto the error message, is the correct way of installing?
[08:01] <kronoz> Chris_H, yes, that or right click > action > open terminal > sudo dpkg -i nameofdeb.deb
[08:01] <thompa> knights wont work at all, they should remove it from the repos
[08:01] <Chris_H> i'll try that now kronoz
[08:02] <kronoz> Chris_H, tell us the error first
[08:02] <kronoz> Chris_H, it's probably easy to fix
[08:02] <Chris_H> okay, i'll go and find out what it is
[08:02] <Chris_H> brb
[08:04] <Chris_H> kronoz, it isnt mounting automatically like it was
[08:04] <Chris_H> how do i mount again?
[08:04] <Chris_H> not used to having to do it
[08:05] <kronoz> Chris, can't you just install it with Adept?
[08:05] <kronoz> Chris_H, or apt-get install audicity
[08:05] <kronoz> Chris_H, does a usb stick appear on the desktop?
[08:06] <Chris_H> no
[08:06] <Chris_H> its on a CD
[08:06] <Chris_H> what is Adept?
[08:07] <Shaezsche> kronoz: sorry was afk, in fact i think i did edit x11, how can i change it back!?!?!
[08:07] <vonHalenbach> Chris_H: a packetmanager.
[08:07] <Chris_H> okay, and it's built into Linux? i'll try it now
[08:07] <kronoz> Shaezsche, how did you change it?
[08:07] <Chris_H> wait, dont i need to mount the disc first?
[08:09] <kronoz> Chris_H, just go to kmenu > system > adept > put you password in > search for audicity > right click > mark install > apply > wait for it to finish installing
[08:09] <Chris_H> okay, thanks kronoz
[08:09] <Shaezsche> kronoz i dont remember
[08:09] <Chris_H> i'll try it now, let you know how it goes
[08:09] <Chris_H> thanks for the help
[08:09] <Shaezsche> oh, i think i installed the 915gm driver from the intel website
[08:09] <Shaezsche> it had the i810 installed
[08:10] <Shaezsche> which worked, but i thought id try an upgrade
[08:10] <kronoz> Shaeze, you got to kubuntu live cd? or in rescue mode ls /etc/X11 is their a backup of anykind of /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[08:10] <kronoz> ?
[08:11] <Shaezsche> i dont know what to do in rescue mode
[08:11] <Shaezsche> what if i find a backup?
[08:11] <Shaezsche> i am on winxp atm
[08:11] <Shaezsche> if i find a backup in rescue mode, what shall i do?
[08:11] <Chris_H> kronoz, it doesnt obtain any search results
[08:12] <Chris_H> are you sure i dont need to mount the disc first?
[08:13] <kronoz> Chris_H, is the machine connected to the internet? if not you will have to use the disk
[08:15] <Chris_H> im afraid not
[08:16] <dein> hi
[08:16] <kronoz> ok, so is their a usb icon in the desktop?
[08:16] <dein> anyone know how to reset OSS?
[08:16] <Shaezsche> if i find a backup in rescue mode, what shall i do?
[08:16] <kronoz> Shaezsche: replace xorg.conf with the backup
[08:16] <dein> i think fce ultra uses it for sound, and i keep getting a the sound device is busy error
[08:17] <Shaezsche> yea how do i do that within rescue mode? i dont know the commands? there is no windows interface
[08:18] <dein> never mind i found it
[08:19] <Shaezsche> ?
[08:19] <Chris_H> kronoz, it's not on the internet
[08:19] <Chris_H> so how do i install it from the disc?
[08:20] <kronoz> well does it auto mount?
[08:20] <kronoz> !mount
[08:20] <ubotu> methinks mount is the command to add partitions to your filesystem - for full instructions see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallingANewHardDrive For mounting windows partitions, see !windowsdrives or http://tinyurl.com/bly9f
[08:22] <DrBair> has anyone gotten an aironet card working in dapper?
[08:22] <Shaezsche> ...
[08:23] <sampan> anyone else having trouble printing pdf files after upgrading to dapper?
[08:24] <sampan> acroread is installed, but everytime i try to print pdf (from konq, from kpdf, from acroread) my printer just stalls out -- printing other stuff works fine and dandy
[08:25] <Chris_H> kronoz, it doesnt auto mount
[08:25] <Chris_H> it has done, but its not any more :S
[08:25] <Shaezsche> if i find a backup in rescue mode, what shall i do?
[08:26] <Shaezsche> yea how do i do that within rescue mode? i dont know the commands? there is no windows interface
[08:26] <slow-motion> re
[08:27] <robin> hi, I have to use ndiswrapper to be able to use WPA with my RT2500 driver, BUT, dapper already loads an opensource RT2500 driver.
[08:27] <robin> How can I disable it from loading at startup ?
[08:28] <robin> !modules
[08:28] <ubotu> Not a clue. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, robin
[08:28] <robin> c'mon anyone :) ?
[08:29] <DrBair> robin: you'll need to add the module to udev's blacklist
[08:29] <robin> DrBair where is that file ?
[08:29] <DrBair> robin: /etc/modprobe.d/
[08:30] <robin> DrBair Thanks!
[08:31] <robin> ok reboot, to find out if it works ;)
[08:38] <Chris_H> is kronoz still here?
[08:38] <Shaezsche> doubt it
[08:39] <Chris_H> argh
[08:39] <Chris_H> can anyone tell me the basic command for mounting a disc please?
[08:39] <kronoz> Chris_H: yeah
[08:40] <kronoz> sudo mount /dev/nameofdevicehere /media/usbstick
[08:40] <robin> ok back
[08:40] <robin> this very strange
[08:40] <robin> the RT2500 module isn't loaded
[08:41] <robin> but it seems the ndiswrapper isn't used either, because the wlan0 device isn't existing.
[08:41] <robin> but I got wifi throught the ra0 device
[08:41] <Shaezsche> kronoz: I LOVE YOU, but i need to know how to use a backup if i find it. i do not know replace commands
[08:41] <Shaezsche> recovery mode is strictly command prompt
[08:41] <robin> which is the device of the rt2500 modules that hasn't been loaded :S
[08:41] <robin> hm, how can I check which driver is used for my network now :D
[08:42] <crazy_penguin> hi all!
[08:42] <DrBair> robin: probably none at all
[08:43] <kronoz> Shaezche, lol, sudo mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf.backup /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[08:43] <DrBair> robin: you'll probably need to do some configuring for ndis to work I'd imagine
[08:43] <kronoz> Shaezche, with the correct name of the backup obviously
[08:43] <DrBair> robin: but I've never touched it
[08:44] <sorush20> how can I increase the thumbnail size of a picture in koqueror to more than the maximum set ?
[08:46] <Shaezsche> kronoz THANK YOU
[08:47] <Chris_H> thanks kronoz
[08:47] <chavo> sorush20, I'm pretty sure the thumbnail size goes along with the icon zoom
[08:47] <brandon_> i'm trying to install kde-devel, but i get unmet dependencies
[08:48] <sorush20> chavo: I know that but I want the size to be bigger than what I have usually
[08:49] <kronoz> Shaezsche: it boots fine now?
[08:49] <chavo> you can increase the zoom for all icons and thumbnails, but not just for thumbnails
[08:50] <Shaezsche> koronz i cannot check, i would havce to log off winxp
[08:50] <adma> how do I playback dvd's?
[08:50] <Shaezsche> and im dling Suse atm
[08:50] <Shaezsche> at only 200k sec
[08:50] <rabby> how do i can install sqlite2 to kubuntu
[08:50] <Shaezsche> ill check in exactly 1 hour 40 minutes
[08:50] <brandon_> when i request kdebase-dev to install in adept, the message says "BREAK"
[08:51] <kkathman> brandon_:  hehe...appropriate :)
[08:51] <robin> ok I have figured it out
[08:51] <adma> I habe tried many different programs but always the same result: program terminated!
[08:51] <robin> ndiswrapper is using ra0 for some odd reason
[08:51] <Chris_H> kronoz: okay, it says when i install that there are "debependency problems"
[08:52] <adma> do I need something extra to play an ordinary dvd?
[08:52] <robin> instead of wlan0 which it says it uses.
[08:52] <Desh> Hi, my Dapper CD will not boot. I choose to start or intsall Kubuntu and it stays at the laoding logo. Also, CD check is stucj as Checking ./casper/filesystem.squashfs
[08:52] <robin> but it works, so who cares ;)
[08:52] <kronoz> Chris_H, with an unetworked pc that is a problem
[08:53] <kkathman> robotgeek:  are you around?
[08:53] <Chris_H> so are you saying its gonna be MUCH harder for me without having the internet on there?
[08:53] <chavo> !dvd
[08:53] <ubotu> DVD playing is possible in ubuntu. You may need libdvdcss2, which is available via http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages (section extras)
[08:53] <brandon_> why would these dev packages break the install?
[08:54] <kkathman> brandon_:  I dunno, kubuntu just began ignoring my keyboard for some reason and I cant get it to see it anymore, yet on the Gnome apps its fine :)
[08:55] <kkathman> and if I boot into Gnome, and run KDE apps, it works fine :)
[08:55] <kkathman> its frickin crazy
[08:55] <adma> thx :)
[08:56] <element4> Hello ppl!
[08:56] <rabby> good morning
[08:56] <IgKh> good evening
[08:56] <rabby> 1:01
[08:56] <element4> 21.00 here :D
[08:56] <rabby> :)
[08:56] <IgKh> 22:00
[08:57] <rabby> 1:01 - its morning
[08:57] <iNiku> 21:57 here :)
[08:57] <robin> 20:57 here
[08:57] <element4> rabby: youre in USA?
[08:57] <mmanton02> I installed xubuntu on my friends computer and I helped him apt-get both ubuntu-desktop and kubuntu-desktop. That's not going to break anything right?
[08:57] <brandon_> is Riddell around?
[08:57] <Riddell> brandon_: a bit
[08:57] <rabby> element4: in Russia
[08:58] <element4> damn, is there such a big time diffrence!? Im in denmark!
[08:58] <brandon_> i think you've got a version numbering problem here, since the repo thinks these dev packages will break the system
[08:58] <IgKh> Is edgy open already?
[08:58] <Riddell> brandon_: which packages?
[08:59] <rabby> GTM +5
[08:59] <rabby> Moscow+2
[08:59] <brandon_> Riddell: kdesdk, libarts1-dev, kdelibs4-dev, kdebase-dev. libkonq4-dev
[08:59] <pekuja> mmanton02, it should be fine
[08:59] <kronoz> !tell lgKh about edgy
[09:00] <element4> rabby: ahh ok!
[09:00] <brandon_> Riddell, i'm using the kde-latest repo
[09:00] <Riddell> brandon_: dapper?
[09:00] <brandon_> Riddell: yes
[09:00] <element4> oh well guys, ive got a tiny question!! :)
[09:00] <element4> I have installed gxl and compiz, have do i start it! :)
[09:00] <Riddell> brandon_: and what's error does it say?
[09:01] <pipitas> Riddell: does it make sense to discuss CUPS default settings for Kubuntu with you/kubuntu-devs, or are you bound by a common policy (and I should rather discuss with $whoeverdecidespolicy) ?
[09:01] <Riddell> pipitas: CUPS is managed by pitti
[09:02] <Riddell> unless it's an issue with kdeprint
[09:02] <brandon_> Riddell: from the terminal, it says that the kde-devel metapackage has unmet dependencies, and then it lists the packages i just mentioned, although they're listed as being available. when i looked in adept, and requested them individually, it indicated that they would break the install
[09:02] <IgKh> kronoz: What should I be told?
[09:02] <kronoz> !edgy
[09:02] <ubotu> Edgy Eft is the next codename for Ubuntu dapper+1. See https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2006-April/000064.html.  initial release timeline - https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2006-June/000144.html
[09:02] <kkathman> Riddell:  perhaps you can help... for some reason, kubuntu just quit recognizing my keyboard and hasnt seen it since (even on reboot). Yet, I can login to a Gnome session, run KDE apps and the keyboard is just fine?  Any ideas (im on dapper)?
[09:02] <pipitas> Riddell: the question is -- is Kubuntu able to use a different default, or are you bound by a common policy?
[09:03] <Riddell> pipitas: we're not able to, it's the same package in both
[09:03] <Riddell> kkathman: keyboard really shouldn't be any different with different desktops
[09:04] <kkathman> Riddell:  but it is tho...
[09:04] <kkathman> Riddell:  Honest I dont make this up .. its very irritating :(
[09:05] <kkathman> Not that Gnome is bad
[09:05] <brandon_> kkathman: do the lights work in kde?
[09:05] <kkathman> brandon I dont think I paid attention to the leds
[09:05] <kkathman> it was working...then stopped cold..and hasnt been back since
[09:06] <kkathman> seems a little silly to reinstall just to get a keyboard to work :)
[09:06] <flo> when im doing sudo konqueror i'm geting this
[09:06] <Riddell> kkathman: presumably it works in kdm then breaks in login?
[09:06] <flo> X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168
[09:06] <flo>   Major opcode:  148
[09:06] <Riddell> flo: ignore it
[09:06] <flo>   Minor opcode:  3
[09:06] <flo>   Resource id:  0x0
[09:06] <Desh> Can someone help me with my Dapper installation?
[09:06] <flo> Failed to open device
[09:06] <flo> X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168
[09:07] <flo>   Major opcode:  148
[09:07] <defrysk> flo, dont paste nhere like that
[09:07] <flo>   Minor opcode:  3
[09:07] <flo>   Resource id:  0x0
[09:07] <brandon_> Riddell, maybe he's accidentally running a crazy xmodmap file and not realizing it
[09:07] <kkathman> Riddell:  Actually the splash login I have the keyboard just fine..but when it brings up the desktop it loses it somehow
[09:07] <defrysk> geez
[09:07] <flo> Failed to open device
[09:07] <flo> ScimInputContextPlugin()
[09:07] <flo> and konqueror wont start
[09:07] <flo>  what' s hapening?
[09:07] <defrysk> can someone kick flo to stop this ?
[09:07] <flo> why kik me?
[09:07] <iNiku> flo:
[09:07] <iNiku> !paste
[09:07] <ubotu> Please do not flood the channel http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/ for pasting long texts it does not disrupt the channel. [webboard for Ubuntu: http://www.gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=1269 : not an offical package] .
[09:07] <defrysk> flo, you are flooding the channel
[09:07] <kkathman> I can still use the mouse...so I've (several times' gone to the keyboard settings and tried to reset to US
[09:08] <flo> sory
[09:08] <defrysk> flo, read the topic
[09:08] <flo> can someone help me?
[09:08] <Desh> Can someone help me? I have Dapper installed, but I want to do a clean reinstall. how would I do this?
[09:08] <defrysk> flo try kdesu konqueror
[09:11] <Desh> Is there a way to install Dapper in the same way one would insta;; Breezy?
[09:11] <Desh> *nistall
[09:11] <Desh> **install
[09:11] <defrysk> yes
[09:11] <Riddell> kkathman: try moving ~/.kde out the way while logged out
[09:12] <defrysk> there is a downloadable cd made for instal only
[09:12] <Desh> How? the LiveCD won't even boot up for me.
[09:12] <flo> kdesu konqueror won't work either
[09:12] <kkathman> Riddell:  and let it build a new one?
[09:12] <Desh> It gets stuck at a KUBUNTU screen.
[09:12] <Riddell> kkathman: yes
[09:12] <defrysk> flo, in kde ?
[09:12] <kkathman> Hmm thats worth a shot..thanks Riddell
[09:12] <flo> yes
[09:12] <Desh> >_< Why is this not working? WHat is the command to reconfigutre xserver?
[09:12] <flo> y get the same mesage
[09:13] <defrysk> I heard another person with this prob , he made a seperate root account ,did you do that too
[09:13] <defrysk> ??
[09:13] <defrysk> flo
[09:13] <flo> no y have only amy acount
[09:14] <defrysk> flo, it works fine here
[09:14] <defrysk> no clue why it happens ?
[09:15] <flo> no ...can it be for my x config?
[09:15] <defrysk> dunno
[09:16] <IgKh> I have the same problem as flo
[09:16] <Desh> >_< ok, on the installer cd, the normla desktop one, I can get to a command line, as ubuntu@ubuntu:~$
[09:16] <defrysk> sounds like a but to me then
[09:17] <defrysk> bug
[09:17] <Desh> But startx returns with errors.
[09:17] <flo> defrysk: it workt fine , then iesterday it stoped risponding, if i do sudo kate it works just fine
[09:17] <IgKh> I tried to delete and then recreate the xorg.conf, but it didn't help
[09:17] <defrysk> flo, ati drivers ?
[09:17] <flo> defrysk: yes
[09:17] <IgKh> It started happaning after a failing installation of nvidia drivers
[09:18] <defrysk> I read that dapper has ati issues so could be the reason
[09:18] <Desh> Argh!!!
[09:18] <defrysk> IgKh, what nvidia card do you have ?
[09:18] <flo> i'll try use krusader..i'm doing the install then i'll give you notice
[09:18] <IgKh> Geforce3 Ti200. MSI make
[09:19] <Desh> Ok, anyone have any ideas why my Dapper CD won't boot the Xserver?
[09:19] <defrysk> IgKh, that requires nvidia-glx-legacy if I am correct
[09:19] <defrysk> Desh, laptop ati ?
[09:19] <Desh> Yes.
[09:19] <defrysk> bug
[09:20] <Desh> o_O bug?
[09:20] <Desh> As in, won't work?
[09:20] <defrysk> yes its filed somwhere in launchpad go search and confirm it
[09:20] <brandon_> Riddell, what did you think about my problem?
[09:20] <defrysk> Desh, https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-driver-ati/+bug/31009 check if it compares
[09:22] <magicbronson> i just installed kubuntu and i want to install eclipse with sun java 1.5. can anyone send me a link to a tutorial?
[09:22] <defrysk> magicbronson, for java install ?
[09:22] <__osh___> What's a good (simple) blog program? Drupal? Wordpress? Something else? Preferably something using apache2 and mysql5 since I already have those on my system...
[09:22] <magicbronson> sun java + eclipse
[09:22] <farous> magicbronson: sun java and eclipse are in the repos
[09:22] <defrysk> !java
[09:22] <ubotu> To install Java/Sun Java see Java on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats and also see !javadebs
[09:22] <defrysk> !eclipse
[09:22] <magicbronson> which repos?
[09:22] <ubotu> to install eclipse please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EclipseIDE
[09:22] <magicbronson> i'm in adept right now
[09:23] <__osh___> !tell magicbronson about easyubuntu
[09:23] <defrysk> magicbronson, check the links and read
[09:23] <magicbronson> is easyubuntu meant for kubuntu?
[09:23] <farous> magicbronson: in universe
[09:23] <kbrooks_> magicbronson: yes
[09:23] <__osh___> magicbronson: it works in kubuntu yes.
[09:23] <defrysk> magicbronson, try to work without easyubuntu
[09:23] <kbrooks_> defrysk: dont say that
[09:24] <defrysk> why not ?
[09:24] <kbrooks_> defrysk: users are lazy
[09:24] <magicbronson> defrysk: i'm inclined not to. i tried it a little while ago on an ubuntu machine and it seemed a little rough around the edges
[09:24] <defrysk> kbrooks_, so help them being lazy ?
[09:24] <kbrooks_> defrysk: they want point and click
[09:24] <magicbronson> not i, kbrooks_
[09:24] <magicbronson> defrysk: so what do you recommend?
[09:24] <defrysk> kbrooks_, define they
[09:24] <defrysk> magicbronson, for what ?
[09:25] <flo> URL maldefinito file:///
[09:25] <kbrooks_> magicbronson: easyubuntu
[09:25] <magicbronson> cleanest installation of eclipse and sun java 1.5 on kubuntu
[09:25] <__osh___> Users (like myself) have better things to do than to fix things that should already be fixed. Easyubuntu is such a fix. I have no problem with it.
[09:25] <farous> sunjava in non-free section
[09:25] <flo> defrysk: after installing krusader sudo konqueror all of the sudden works and krusader gives me url maldefinito file:///
[09:25] <magicbronson> so i have to add the non-free repo to adept?
[09:25] <defrysk> magicbronson, read the wiki
[09:25] <flo> it becomes odder and odder
[09:25] <defrysk> and be patient
[09:26] <robin> !xgl
[09:26] <magicbronson> ok
[09:26] <ubotu> xgl is, like, totally, "XGL on Ubuntu: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CompositeManager - Join #ubuntu-xgl for all the XGL fun on Ubuntu systems. It works ONLY on dapper. Pretty videos on http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease/"
[09:26] <farous> !tell magicbronson about easysource
[09:26] <kbrooks_> magicbronson: easyubuntu does that for you
[09:26] <defrysk> kbrooks_, easyubuntu is a brainkiller
[09:26] <magicbronson> one more question: how do i install vim7? it's not in the repo yet
[09:26] <farous> magicbronson: look at this site to have most of the repos you will need
[09:26] <magicbronson> should i just wait?
[09:26] <defrysk> magicbronson, get multiverse and universe in the repos
[09:27] <defrysk> vim is available
[09:27] <magicbronson> not 7.0 though
[09:27] <magicbronson> it just came out a couple weeks ago
[09:27] <__osh___> magicbronson: then you probably have to build it yourself.
[09:27] <defrysk> magicbronson, patience and open backports in the repos
[09:27] <defrysk> magicbronson, or build it yes :)
[09:27] <__osh___> magicbronson: most often just ./configgure; make; make install
[09:28] <magicbronson> i know the drill
[09:28] <magicbronson> there seems to be no gvim or kvim in the default repos
[09:28] <ayabara> hi guys. on my way towards my first kubuntu install. should I dl the dvd or the cd image?
[09:28] <defrysk> ayabara, got hight high speed ?
[09:29] <farous> magicbronson: by the way i just downloaded eclipse from their site and just ran it and it works. Java is installed by default not sun-java though
[09:29] <ayabara> defrysk: yep
[09:29] <__osh___> ayabara: doesn't matter I think. I got the CD and it works just fine. =)
[09:29] <defrysk> ayabara, got plenty dvd ?
[09:29] <magicbronson> farous: by "their" you mean whose?
[09:29] <defrysk> anyway get the cd i'd say
[09:29] <farous> ayabara: you can download the cd and if you need extra packages you can always install over the net using adept
[09:29] <ayabara> defrysk: yep. guess what I really wondered was what the difference between cd and dvd
[09:30] <ayabara> ahh
[09:30] <ayabara> ok
[09:30] <farous> magicbronson: eclipse website
[09:30] <magicbronson> oh ok, thanks
[09:30] <farous> :)
[09:31] <Desh> Ok, I do not understand why my Dapper CD, downlaoded today, will not boot on my laptop.
[09:31] <Desh> X does not want to load.
[09:31] <defrysk> Desh, its abug
[09:31] <defrysk> bug bug bug
[09:31] <ayabara> defrysk, __osh__, farous: thanks
[09:31] <Desh> I reconfigure the xserver to use the ati driver that worked in breezy and still startx returns with errors.
[09:32] <defrysk> Desh, use the vesa driver as workaround
[09:32] <Desh> Then, shuld I install it with the install only CD?
[09:32] <Desh> It won't work either.
[09:32] <element4> Does your Katapult work!?
[09:32] <defrysk> I have no laptop so I cannot tell you how to install it unfortunately
[09:32] <jpatrick> element4: yes
[09:32] <element4> Mine only work on livecd
[09:32] <element4> Thats wierd
[09:33] <Desh> I see, well where can I find the install only CD?
[09:34] <defrysk> http://www.ubuntu.com/download/
[09:34] <defrysk> Desh, get the Alternate install CD
[09:34] <element4> Desh: the alternativ cd!
[09:34] <defrysk> thats the one you need
[09:34] <Desh> Thanks. I have Dapper installed but it was an update from Breezy and it's a mess. Would I need to reformat or anything first or will the CD do it?
[09:34] <defrysk> Desh, do a fresh install
[09:34] <defrysk> and all will be well
[09:35] <defrysk> (I hope)
[09:35] <element4> Desh: the cd wil format your hd
[09:35] <Desh> Ok, thanks.
[09:35] <defrysk> Desh, get the kubuntu alternative one
[09:36] <defrysk> there is a link to kubuntu in the alternative section
[09:36] <slow-motion> re
[09:36] <redsteakraw> is anyone having problems with akregator in dapper?
[09:36] <Desh> Yeah, I found it, thanks.
[09:36] <defrysk> Desh, good luck :)
[09:36] <defrysk> and use vesa
[09:36] <__osh___> Desh: I got into the same mess. Sometime soon I'll reinstall the lot. :-(
[09:37] <Desh> Yeah, breezy update was a mess for me.
[09:37] <Desh> ndiswrapper got f'ed in the a, so did my sound, openoffice was uninstalled...
[09:38] <ryanakca_> can you install "server" from the kubuntu desktop/live cd?
[09:38] <Desh> Me?
[09:38] <__osh___> ryanakca_: don't think so.
[09:38] <element4> ARRGH! I hate this! My katapult wont work! My computer is nothing worth now! Argh!
[09:39] <Desh> WHat is katapault?
[09:39] <Desh> *katapult
[09:39] <element4> ryanakca: I dont think you can!
[09:39] <__osh___> element4: just upgraded to dapper? that one happened to me during upgrade.
[09:39] <jpatrick> !katapult
[09:39] <ubotu> rumour has it, katapult is an application for KDE designed to provide faster access to applications, bookmarks and other items. Once you've installed it, alt+f2 ->katapult, then hit Alt+Space. When splash screen appears, type the command you want.
[09:39] <ryanakca> there we go, that's better...
[09:39] <Desh> Hmm...
[09:40] <element4> Desh: its a program in kubuntu... it start programs fast...
[09:40] <ryanakca> element4: what about from the ubuntu desktop cd?
[09:40] <flo> is it normal that y not getting any updates for the last 4 to 5 days?excuse me for my english
[09:40] <__osh___> Flo: yes
[09:40] <defrysk> yes
[09:40] <element4> _osh_: I have installed a fresh kubuntu!
[09:40] <ayabara> forgot to ask.. the difference between cd and dvd is that the dvd contains more packages?
[09:41] <element4> The katapult works on the liveCd but not on the installed kubuntu
[09:41] <defrysk> ayabara, and the sourcepackages
[09:41] <element4> and ive tried to reinstall katapult, but noooo...
[09:41] <__osh___> element4: report it as a bug.
[09:42] <ayabara> defrysk: I'm too noob to know what that means :-/
[09:42] <defrysk> ayabara, just get the cd
[09:42] <defrysk> and forget dvd
[09:42] <ayabara> defrysk: hehe. will do
[09:42] <ayabara> keep it simple :-)
[09:42] <defrysk> ayabara, one step at the time
[09:43] <defrysk> ayabara, you'l be running gentoo in no time ;p
[09:43] <ayabara> have tried ubuntu a couple of times, but I keep installing kde apps, so I thought it was about time I gave kubuntu a try
[09:43] <ayabara> :-)
[09:43] <defrysk> ayabara, kde is nice as it gnome
[09:44] <defrysk> is*
[09:44] <farous> ayabara: do you have ubuntu installed
[09:44] <farous> if so you do not need the cd
[09:44] <ayabara> farous: nope. xp only now
[09:44] <farous> ok
[09:44] <defrysk> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[09:44] <ayabara> had ubuntu flight 7
[09:44] <element4> _osh_: How can i report it as a bug?
[09:45] <defrysk> element4, https://launchpad.net/
[09:45] <pekuja> how good is the laptop support in Kubuntu?
[09:45] <defrysk> pekuja, same as in ubuntu
[09:45] <pekuja> ok
[09:46] <element4> defrysk: thx dude ;)
[09:46] <pekuja> I'm wondering, because I had a breezy installation that had Gnome in it, then I installed KDE, and upgraded to dapper, and power management didn't really work
[09:46] <defrysk> element4, https://launchpad.net/people/johan-devries ;p
[09:47] <pekuja> I don't remember exactly when the power management broke, but in the end I had a Kubuntu installation that I had upgraded from breezy, and the power management was broken.
[09:47] <pekuja> Now I have Gnomebuntu installed from the final dapper CD.
[09:48] <rabby> zer gut (c)
[09:48] <element4> defrysk: Is that you? The picture?
[09:48] <defrysk> pekuja, you can always revert back to <yourpreferred de>
[09:48] <defrysk> element4, yes
[09:48] <element4> Nice hair ;)
[09:48] <defrysk> lol
[09:48] <rabby> system of install very good, but portage in gentoo >
[09:49] <pekuja> defrysk, yeah, sure, but I'm a bit wary because I previously had trouble switching to KDE. I'm actually planning on just installing from scratch from a Kubuntu CD
[09:49] <rabby> fast install its very good too
[09:49] <slow-motion> bbl
[09:49] <defrysk> pekuja, just give it a go
[09:50] <pekuja> yeah, I think I'll apt-get install kubuntu-desktop and see what happens, but I actually like to reinstall my system because that way I get rid of all packages I don't need and all the old configuration files and whatnot.
[09:52] <defrysk> pekuja, should work fine :)
[09:52] <pekuja> yeah, well installing kubuntu-desktop is easy, but removing ubuntu-desktop along with its dependencies is a bit trickier
[09:52] <pekuja> debfoster is my friend
[09:53] <slow-motion> re
[09:54] <Tallia1Kubuntu>  if i tell you that in konqueror as soon as i press Ctrl, alt, or shift, the cursor in the address bar moves from whatever position to the end.... somebody can tell me something?
[09:54] <Tallia1Kubuntu> somebody can try this?
[09:55] <defrysk> Tallia1Kubuntu, nope not here
[09:55] <mhterres> hello !!!!
[09:55] <mhterres> what's up ???
[09:56] <jpatrick> Not alot
[09:57] <Tallia1Kubuntu> defrysk: and where?
[09:58] <farous_> winXperts: install build-essential package
[09:59] <farous_> wrong room appol
[10:00] <defrysk> farous, ;p
[10:00] <farous_> defrysk: this dam network bugs that i have had to switch from wirless to wired :) so still disoriented
[10:01] <defrysk> poor you hehe
[10:01] <farous_> :)
[10:01] <slow-motion> bbl
[10:01] <ealm> how do I play real videos from the internet properly?
[10:02] <rabby> when i install packages with apt-get, what is location save download packages?
[10:02] <ealm> I installed realplayer 10 but it doesn't work well at all... video only occasionally, and sound out of sync
[10:02] <jpatrick> !restricted
[10:02] <ubotu> I heard restricted is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats  Most of the formats listed there can be replaced by !FreeFormats
[10:03] <rabby> when i install packages with apt-get, what is location save download packages???
[10:03] <farous_> ealm: cpy the nphelix.so and nphelix.xpt from where ever you had downloaded real to .mozilla/plugins dir and it will work
[10:03] <farous_> rabyy /var/cache/apt/
[10:04] <rabby> thank!
[10:04] <farous_> uw:)
[10:06] <slow-motion> re
[10:09] <Tallia1Kubuntu>  if i tell you that in konqueror as soon as i press Ctrl, alt, or shift, the cursor in the address bar moves from whatever position to the end.... somebody can tell me something?
[10:10] <davebgimp> Hi, when ripping cds with Dapper, I can only do this running as root. Is there a way to adjust the permissions, so that my normal user account can do this?
[10:11] <mhterres> davebgimp: You need to put the user in cdrom group
[10:12] <davebgimp> mhterres: How would I do this?
[10:12] <Tallia1Kubuntu> somebody can try what i have just said?
[10:12] <mhterres> edit the /etc/group file
[10:12] <mhterres> put the user in the group
[10:12] <defrysk> or sudo kuser
[10:12] <defrysk> if you need grafics
[10:12] <sokuban> What do you do to view 'avi' files? I installed 'VLC' but the Linux version is far inferior to the windows, the video lags too much to be watchable.
[10:12] <mhterres> our use usermod
[10:13] <defrysk> sokuban, no lagging here
[10:13] <mhterres> sokuban: maybe your graphics driver
[10:13] <robin> ok which tutorial do I need for nvidia + kde + kubunt + xgl
[10:13] <mhterres> I hda this problem before with my nvidia, but when start to use the latest nvidia drivers, it was solved
[10:13] <godzero> Tallia1Kubuntu: I'm not sure if it's related.. but I have had konqueror go a bit insane with focus. Sometimes I had to restart X to regain control.
[10:13] <robin> I can't get it to work :(
[10:13] <sokuban> >_>, I'll admit my computer is old, but the windows version works fine for me and I can use Kaffine to view the experiance ubuntu thing in examples but not vlc
[10:14] <mhterres> robin: xgl is very unstable
[10:14] <Tallia1Kubuntu> godzero: this behaviour is permanent..
[10:14] <CGA> hi folks
[10:14] <mindbob> How do I set my default browser in Kubuntu - dapper?
[10:14] <mindbob> I want it to be firefox, and not konqueuor.
[10:14] <sokuban> any way to view avi's with kaffine?
[10:14] <mhterres> sokuban: what video card did you have ?
[10:14] <Tallia1Kubuntu> godzero: can you try to do what i declared?
[10:14] <CGA> is there an italian channel for kubuntu??
[10:14] <Tallia1Kubuntu> mindbob: kcontrol
[10:14] <Tallia1Kubuntu> CGA: cia
[10:14] <sokuban> a really old nvidia riva tnt2 or something
[10:14] <robin> mhterres: I know, but I want to try
[10:14] <CGA> Tallia1Kubuntu, ciao
[10:14] <stipe> hi cga
[10:14] <defrysk> sokuban, nvidia-glx-legacy
[10:14] <CGA> ciao stipe
[10:14] <godzero> I trued, but I'm not seing the same behavior
[10:15] <mhterres> sokuban: tnt you need to use the nvidia-glx-legacy package
[10:15] <godzero> tried
[10:15] <sokuban> what is that?
[10:15] <davebgimp> mhterres: Okay, see in the file that my user name is in the cdrom group already, but i stil require running as root to get the device to rip
[10:15] <mhterres> robin: take a look in ubuntu forums
[10:15] <defrysk> drivers for nvidia
[10:15] <mhterres> hmmm
[10:15] <mhterres> let me see
[10:15] <Tallia1Kubuntu> godzero: and what behaviour do you see?
[10:15] <defrysk> to get direct rendering
[10:15] <sokuban> oh, I need seperate drivers for Linux?
[10:15] <mhterres> davebgimp:  what error ?
[10:15] <defrysk> sokuban, for nvidia
[10:15] <mhterres> sokuban: apt-get install nvidia-glx-legacy
[10:15] <robin> mhterres: I have done, but there are way to many tutorials on it
[10:15] <sokuban> thanks
[10:16] <robin> mhterres: I have tried the kororaa live cd and xgl really rocks :)
[10:16] <defrysk> sokuban, after install do : sudo nvidia-xconfig
[10:16] <mhterres> robin: I know. I don't know a "complete tutorial". There's a lots of manners to do it. If you read them you'll find the better way
[10:16] <Tallia1Kubuntu> robin: kororaa??
[10:16] <Tallia1Kubuntu> godzero: and what behaviour do you see?
[10:16] <sokuban> what is that for?
[10:16] <godzero> Tallia1Kubuntu: cursor stays in place
[10:16] <mhterres> sokuban: is the nvidia driver for tnt
[10:16] <sokuban> no, the nvidia-xconfig
[10:17] <davebgimp> mhterres: No error message, drive just initially reads but will not actually rip
[10:17] <mhterres> sokuban: to configure your xorg.conf
[10:17] <bernier> hi, i tried to install visual boy advance but because it's my first day on linux, i had a hard time. i realized i could install it with Adept but the vba status was "broken" nopw when i open adpet the status in uninstalled and when i want to install it i click on install and it simply stays at the "unsintalled" status
[10:17] <defrysk> sokuban, sudo nvidia-xconfig sets up your xorg.conf
[10:17] <sokuban> I got a command not found
[10:17] <sokuban> I installed successfully though
[10:17] <robin> Tallia1Kubuntu:  yes
[10:17] <defrysk> sokuban, in dapper ?
[10:17] <mhterres> davebgimp: maybe it's trying to rip in a directory where your user don't have rights. Looks like a permissions problem
[10:17] <sokuban> yes
[10:17] <robin> Tallia1Kubuntu:  what's wrong with it ;) ?
[10:18] <godzero> Tallia1Kubuntu: How long has the odd behavior been going on?
[10:18] <mhterres> sokuban: for nvidia-glx-legacy I guess there's no nvidia-xconfig
[10:18] <defrysk> sokuban, use sudo
[10:18] <Tallia1Kubuntu> since when i had kubuntu
[10:18] <mhterres> You'll need to set the xorg.conf manually
[10:18] <sokuban> and?
[10:18] <Tallia1Kubuntu> it was the reason in never used konqueror for web
[10:18] <Tallia1Kubuntu> robin: what's that?
[10:19] <sokuban> ok, how do I set it manually?
[10:19] <mhterres> sokuban: you need to edit your /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[10:19] <defrysk> sokuban, sudo dpkg xserver-xorg, run the defaults exept for the nv driver wich has to be set to nvidia
[10:20] <mhterres> sokuban: yes, it's a good pratice
[10:20] <defrysk> sokuban, or what mhterres said
[10:20] <davebgimp> mhterres: I double checked and made sure the write directory was in my home folder, but no go.
[10:20] <mhterres> defrysk: your solution is better
[10:20] <bernier> hi, i tried to install visual boy advance but because it's my first day on linux, i had a hard time. i realized i could install it with Adept but the vba status was "broken" nopw when i open adpet the status in uninstalled and when i want to install it i click on install and it simply stays at the "unsintalled" status. anyone know how I could remove those half installed files or I dunno what and install it back?
[10:20] <defrysk> mhterres, more official :D
[10:20] <mhterres> defrysk: yes :-)
[10:20] <sokuban> what do I do after I sudo dpkg xserver-xorg? I'm confused
[10:21] <defrysk> sokuban, hit enter
[10:21] <mhterres> davebgimp: strange
[10:21] <robin> Tallia1Kubuntu: live cd based on gentoo to try out xgl
[10:21] <robin> Tallia1Kubuntu: works great :)
[10:21] <mhterres> davebgimp: your user is the first user ?
[10:21] <defrysk> sokuban, untill you see something about a driver nv , change that to nvidia
[10:21] <marlin> Can anyone help me with the kaffeine-Mozilla plug-in?
[10:21] <davebgimp> yes, and the only user
[10:21] <Tallia1Kubuntu> robin: cool.. i want to try xgl
[10:21] <Tallia1Kubuntu> tnx
[10:21] <bernier> fick it ima format
[10:21] <defrysk> and then continue with enter untill done
[10:21] <bernier> lol
[10:22] <mhterres> davebgimp: very strange
[10:22] <mhterres> davebgimp: shoul work
[10:22] <sokuban> umm nothing happened when I typed it in a couple of lines popped up then went back to sokuban@sokuban-desktop:`$
[10:22] <mhterres> davebgimp: did you look for the directory permissions ?
[10:23] <davebgimp> mhterres: which directory? My final destination directory is my homes folder
[10:23] <davebgimp> ahhhh I got it
[10:23] <davebgimp> mhterres:
[10:23] <davebgimp> mhterres: it's the temp folder
[10:23] <sokuban> the first thing that came up was dpkg: need an action option
[10:23] <marlin> Can anyone help me with the kaffeine-Mozilla plug-in?
[10:24] <defrysk> sokuban, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[10:24] <davebgimp> mhterres: I set the temp folder to one I created in my home and it worked. The default tmp is root only
[10:24] <mhterres> one moment
[10:24] <defrysk> sokuban, "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[10:24] <davebgimp> mhterres: thanks for your help
[10:24] <defrysk> without hte "
[10:24] <mhterres> davebgimp: I see :-)
[10:24] <defrysk> the"
[10:25] <sokuban> attempt to autodetect video hardware?
[10:25] <defrysk> yes
[10:25] <sokuban> now hit enter a when 'nv' is highlighted?
[10:25] <marlin> Thanks for the help. Bye
[10:25] <defrysk> and if it says nv change it to nvidia
[10:25] <sokuban> oh, right under it
[10:26] <sokuban> enter identifier for your video card, ok?
[10:26] <defrysk> sokuban, further the defaults are fine so just hit <enter> untill its completely finished
[10:27] <defrysk> just the nvidia thing , nothing more
[10:27] <defrysk> the rest is enter
[10:27] <Tallia1Kubuntu> muahahahah, i just COMPLETELY removed konqueror
[10:27] <sokuban> the amount of memory has no default >_>
[10:27] <mhterres> DaSkreech: strange, the /tmp should have 777 permission
[10:27] <Tallia1Kubuntu> maybe reinstalling with the refreshed settings......
[10:27] <defrysk> sokuban, enter
[10:27] <mhterres> oops
[10:27] <sokuban> oops sorry
[10:27] <defrysk> dont read just hit enter
[10:27] <sokuban> didn't read
[10:27] <mhterres> davebgimp was gone :-)
[10:28] <sokuban> ok, finally done
[10:29] <mhterres> great !!!
[10:29] <sokuban> now its all set up?
[10:29] <mhterres> yep
[10:29] <sokuban> let me test it
[10:29] <mhterres> restart your X and try again
[10:29] <defrysk> sokuban, cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf |grep nvidia
[10:29] <defrysk> see if you see sriver "nvidia"
[10:29] <defrysk> driver*
[10:29] <sokuban> its working
[10:30] <sokuban> so I don't know why I need to do any more >_>
[10:30] <defrysk> now restart x
[10:30] <mhterres> sokuban: did you restart X ?
[10:30] <sokuban> no
[10:30] <defrysk> sokuban, do so ;)
[10:30] <mhterres> sokuban: you need to restart to apply the changes
[10:30] <sokuban> how?
[10:30] <sokuban> but its working O_O
[10:30] <mhterres> CTRL+ALT+BACKSPACE ???
[10:30] <sokuban> as in restart the computer?
[10:31] <defrysk> no as in ctrl alt backspace you newb
[10:31] <Tallia1Kubuntu> sokuban: X and base-system are separated in linux
[10:32] <Tallia1Kubuntu> the "black beast terminal" call the "graphic paradise" as a program
[10:32] <sokuban> ah, there I restarted by hitting ctr, alt, backspace
[10:32] <defrysk> sokuba now do in a terminal  glxinfo |grep direct
[10:32] <mhterres> try now
[10:32] <Tallia1Kubuntu> when you press ctrl alt backspace you restart only the graphic server, not the system
[10:32] <sokuban> I see
[10:32] <defrysk> sokuba now do in a terminal  glxinfo |grep direct
[10:33] <Tallia1Kubuntu> fglrxinfo
[10:33] <defrysk> you get a yes ????
[10:33] <sokuban> yes
[10:33] <sokuban> 'direct rendering:yes'
[10:33] <defrysk> you have sucsessfully setup your speedyer nvidia driver
[10:33] <Cooner750> Need help
[10:33] <sokuban> thanks
[10:33] <defrysk> sokuban, now try some avipr0n
[10:34] <Cooner750> I installed KDE packages in ubuntu, so it's pretty much the same as Kubuntu ;). My problem is, how can I have more than one user logged in at once? It's still using Gnome login manager I guess  and needs to be using KDM
[10:35] <Cooner750> Is it possible to uninstall the Gnome packages? Including Gnome login manager? I probably wont be using it again
[10:35] <defrysk> Cooner750, yes
[10:35] <Cooner750> How do I do that? And set it to use KDM as login manager?
[10:35] <defrysk> sudo apt-get install kdm
[10:36] <defrysk> sudo apt-get remove gdm
[10:36] <defrysk> thats all
[10:36] <mhterres> it's not necessary to remove gdm
[10:36] <defrysk> mhterres, true
[10:36] <iNiku> Cooner750: you don't *need* to use kdm
[10:36] <mhterres> you just need to set the kdm like the default
[10:36] <defrysk> but he wants to get rid of gdm
[10:36] <iNiku> Cooner750: it's fine to use either one
[10:36] <Cooner750> At the moment it's fine, as log as I can set it to use KDM instead
[10:36] <mhterres> hmmm, so apt-get remove --purge gdm :-)
[10:36] <iNiku> defrysk: yes, but that won't help him to get more than one user logged in
[10:37] <defrysk> iNiku, true true
[10:37] <iNiku> Cooner750: the number of user logins does not depend on the display manager used
[10:37] <Cooner750> Then how do I switch users in KDE?
[10:37] <defrysk> kdm does work better with kde tho as does gdm with gnome
[10:37] <Cooner750> Is there a setting to tell it which login manager to use?
[10:37] <iNiku> Cooner750: how about "Switch user" in the KDE menu?
[10:37] <defrysk> Cooner750, yes
[10:38] <Cooner750> Switch User is not there...
[10:38] <Cooner750> Just Log Out and Lock Session
[10:38] <iNiku> Cooner750: hmm... it is for me
[10:38] <defrysk> Cooner750, got the complete kubuntu-desktop installed ?
[10:38] <mhterres> Cooner750: what kde version are you using ?
[10:38] <linuxbambi> nein es lag daran, dass es unter linux scheinbar nicht mglich ist, ein swf file geffnet zu haben und nebenbei mp3s zu hren ;S
[10:38] <iNiku> defrysk: I guess, and at least you get a more unified look that way
[10:39] <Cooner750> Got it
[10:39] <Cooner750> I'm using the latest version I believe. Anyway, you have to sudo gedit (or kate, whichever) /etc/X11/default-display-manager and change it to /usr/bin/kdm. Let's see if it works
[10:41] <Tallia1Kubuntu> NAAAAAAA...... i delete everythign about konqueror and i still have the same problem
[10:41] <sokuban> Umm, how do you mount a windows partition? I currently have Linux on my slave drive which is really tiny, I can see the windows drive on Linux but it won't let me mount it (it is FAT32)
[10:41] <Tallia1Kubuntu> grrrrr
[10:41] <iNiku> sokuban: hmm, how do you see it on linux?
[10:41] <ealm> I cant install k3b, and when running "cdrecord -scanbus" my writer isn't listed
[10:41] <iNiku> sokuban: and how are you trying to mount it and how does that fail?
[10:42] <Cooner750> no luck
[10:42] <iNiku> Cooner750: you need to stop gdm and start kdm
[10:42] <iNiku> Cooner750: the display manager starts at boot time
[10:42] <sokuban> I see it in storage media, I right click and hit mount it gives me 'mount: can't find /dev/hda1 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mstab
[10:42] <iNiku> Cooner750: the default-display-manager file just tells the boot scripts which one to start
[10:43] <Cooner750> How do I do that.... terminal? killall gdm, or?
[10:43] <Cooner750> or just restart..
[10:43] <iNiku> Cooner750: so, go to a VT (ctrl-alt-f1), then sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop ; sudo /etc/init.d/kdm start
[10:43] <defrysk> iNiku, very gentle way
[10:43] <jaims> hello!
[10:43] <luh> after upgrading on dapper - there are users that get the message "no window manager found" - and at others kde works just fine
[10:44] <luh> anyone who has an idea on that?
[10:44] <jaims> does someone been able to upgrade firefox 1.5.0.3->1.5.0.4?
[10:44] <iNiku> defrysk: only way I know :)
[10:44] <iNiku> apart from rebooting, of course
[10:44] <defrysk> iNiku, its the correct way :)
[10:45] <iNiku> defrysk, I know :)
[10:45] <defrysk> jaims, if upgrade is needed it wil appear in the repos
[10:45] <jaims> really?
[10:45] <defrysk> honestly
[10:45] <jaims> I prefer the repositories, if I could choose
[10:45] <luh> please help me - i have no clue what i have to do
[10:45] <jaims> but I've read about the autoupdate thing
[10:46] <l_r> hello. i have a matrox g400, supported well by the kernel, but direct rendering is not working. the drm module is loaded. but the glxinfo does not report any drm feature. any idea?
[10:46] <jaims> but in my firefox is disabled!
[10:46] <defrysk> jaims, its safe to use the one available in dapper now , trust me
[10:46] <sokuban> Anybody know how to mount it?
[10:46] <jaims> even starting the browser as root
[10:46] <jaims> ok, defrysk; i will
[10:46] <defrysk> jaims, you have been "tinkering' ?
[10:46] <jaims> what is tinkering?
[10:47] <defrysk> why did firefox stop working ?
[10:47] <dein> what's a good way to restart artsd?
[10:47] <jaims> oh, no firefox works great
[10:47] <jaims> it's just because the security holes and all
 but in my firefox is disabled!
[10:47] <jaims> ah
[10:47] <jaims> i meant menu/help/seek updates
[10:47] <iNiku> anybody know how often adept_notifier is supposed to check for new updates?
[10:47] <l_r> any idea about my problem?
[10:48] <jaims> know i mean?
[10:48] <sokuban> does anybody know how to mount windows partitions >_>
[10:48] <jaims> but the browser works fine
[10:48] <defrysk> jaims, as soon updates are needed for security reasons they wil appear in the repos
[10:48] <jaims> aha
[10:49] <defrysk> firefox wil be patched then but wil keep the same versioning
[10:49] <defrysk> as an example
[10:49] <iNiku> jaims: even if the version number in the repos looks "old", the security fixes will be backported to it
[10:49] <iNiku> which is what defrysk said in other words :)
[10:49] <jaims> ok, i will wait for the adept_updater
[10:49] <defrysk> yes :)
[10:49] <jaims> aha
[10:49] <jaims> so
[10:49] <jaims> thank you very much, defrysk
[10:49] <defrysk> jaims, your safe
[10:49] <jaims> :-)
[10:49] <iNiku> but, speaking of that, does anyone know how often it checks for new updates?
[10:50] <jaims> I feel safe and happy with my brand new dapper
[10:50] <jaims> :-)
[10:50] <iNiku> because mine doesn't seem to do it
[10:50] <jaims> very like it
[10:50] <iNiku> when I do an apt-get update, the system tray icon appears
[10:50] <Cooner750> I really screwed it up now
[10:50] <iNiku> but it doesn't seem to notice them by itself
[10:50] <iNiku> Cooner750: how?
[10:50] <sokuban> iNiku: Did you figure it out?
[10:50] <defrysk> when you start kde you get a green button meaning no updates it appears for about 5 seconds
[10:51] <defrysk> then its gone again
[10:51] <iNiku> sokuban: sorry, what?
[10:51] <defrysk> its next to the clock
[10:51] <sokuban> iNiku: how to mount the windows drive
[10:51] <iNiku> defrysk: yeah, but it should check periodically even if you don't reboot/re-login... right?
[10:51] <Cooner750> Now when it boots up it stays at a black console screen. I have to login and run startx and it starts up Gnome
[10:51] <defrysk> iNiku, it does that once a day , @ 7 in the morning
[10:51] <iNiku> I never do if I can avoid it and it seems I don't get notified of new updates unless I run apt-get update manually
[10:52] <iNiku> defrysk: oh... via cron?
[10:52] <iNiku> not anacron?
[10:52] <defrysk> iNiku, not sure who/what does it but "it" "doets" it
[10:52] <defrysk> does
[10:52] <iNiku> defrysk: that would explain it... my laptop is always asleep at 7am, like me
[10:53] <iNiku> so... the check basically never runs if that's true
[10:53] <Cooner750> any ideas?
[10:53] <iNiku> that kind of sucks
[10:53] <defrysk> iNiku, its checks as soon as it on
[10:53] <defrysk> during boot or whatever after 7
[10:53] <Cooner750> When I did CTRL ALT F1 it dropped to a console which I did not expect, and I did not know the commands so I had to use the halt command to turn it off
[10:54] <defrysk> Cooner750, ctrl alt f7 brings you back
[10:54] <iNiku> sokuban: sorry, missed your reply to my question. dunno about the GUI way, I just put it in /etc/fstab
[10:54] <iNiku> defrysk: it doesn't seem to
[10:54] <Cooner750> I changed /usr/bin/gdm to /usr/bin/kdm and it does that at boot
[10:54] <sokuban> umm how?
[10:55] <iNiku> defrysk: I haven't seen any updates in several days, until I just did an apt-get update a minute ago and now it shows 10 updates available
[10:55] <robin> ok got xgl running
[10:55] <robin> nice :)
[10:55] <defrysk> iNiku, well it does here
[10:55] <defrysk> so...
[10:55] <defrysk> anyway
[10:55] <defrysk> nm
[10:55] <defrysk> robin got dizzy
[10:55] <Cooner750> Should I just wipe this partition and install Kubuntu?
[10:56] <iNiku> Cooner750: um... you were supposed to stop gdm and start kdm in the console
[10:56] <mluser-laptop> Can someon here give me a tip on how to go about installing mplayer without having to compile it?
[10:56] <jaims> yes!
[10:56] <defrysk> !mplayer
[10:56] <iNiku> Cooner750: using sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop ; sudo /etc/init.d/kdm start, like I told you
[10:56] <ubotu> rumour has it, mplayer is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MplayerInstallHowto  For compiling, see: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=31061
[10:56] <jaims> I have installed today
[10:56] <mluser-laptop> thanks :)
[10:56] <iNiku> Cooner750: but if you did a reboot, you should have kdm running anyway. do you have it installed?
[10:56] <jaims> yes thats the site ive been reading
[10:57] <defrysk> typing kdm is not installing kdm lol
[10:57] <iNiku> sokuban: edit /etc/fstab and put something like this in there:
[10:57] <iNiku> /dev/hda1       /media/hda1     ntfs    defaults        0       0
[10:57] <iNiku> sokuban: adjusting for your device, mountpoint and filesystem type...
[10:58] <iNiku> sokuban: vfat instead of ntfs
[10:58] <sokuban> I dunno what a mountpoing or device is
[10:58] <iNiku> Cooner750: dpkg -s kdm
[10:58] <iNiku> sokuban: device is the hard disk partition you're trying to mount
[10:58] <iNiku> sokuban: mountpoint is where you want to mount it
[10:59] <iNiku> Cooner750: actually, dpkg -s kdm | grep Status
[10:59] <defrysk>  /MEDIA/HDA1 = EXAMPLE MOUNTPOINT
[10:59] <defrysk> oops caps
[10:59] <Cooner750> not installed. sudo apt-get install kdm?
[10:59] <defrysk> yes
[10:59] <iNiku> Cooner750: yep
[10:59] <iNiku> Cooner750: but
[10:59] <Shaezsche> kronoz i need your help
[10:59] <kronoz> !nvidia
[10:59] <ubotu> Help about installing the nVidia drivers on Ubuntu can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia, or http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=1083433&postcount=3
[10:59] <iNiku> Cooner750: you should have it already if you indeed installed kubuntu-desktop
[10:59] <kronoz> Shaezsche: whats wrong?
[10:59] <iNiku> Cooner750: so I have a feeling you probably didn't
[10:59] <defrysk> iNiku, nope
[10:59] <iNiku> Cooner750: which means you might be missing other KDE stuff as well
[10:59] <Shaezsche> kronoz i forgot what you said last time, where can i find my x11 directory
[10:59] <defrysk> kdm does not do kdm I believe
[11:00] <Shaezsche> i know how to replace the file, just cannot find the dir
[11:00] <iNiku> defrysk: huh? :)
[11:00] <kronoz> Shaezsche: /etc/X11/
[11:00] <defrysk> kubuntu-desktop I mean
[11:00] <Shaezsche> its not there! now what
[11:00] <Shaezsche> i looked in etc
[11:00] <sokuban> ahh, access denied, could not write, I think I need Kwrite
[11:00] <defrysk> sokuban, you need sudo
[11:00] <iNiku> sokuban: use kdesu kate
[11:00] <Shaezsche> secondly, would that file be hidden? if so, how can i display ALL files in a directory?
[11:00] <Cooner750> installing kubuntu-desktop now
[11:01] <sokuban> eh? what is that? I used the normal kate for it
[11:01] <defrysk> Cooner750, did you install kubuntu-desktop ?
[11:01] <Cooner750> It's working on it now
[11:01] <defrysk> Cooner750, you told me you did
[11:01] <kronoz> Shaezsche: theres no X11 dir in /etc ?
[11:01] <defrysk> tsss
[11:01] <iNiku> defrysk: kubuntu-desktop does depend on kdm
[11:01] <Cooner750> I installed KDM, and installing kubuntu-desktop now. I didnt realize this computer didnt have kubuntu-desktop installed, I was thinking of my other machine
[11:01] <iNiku> defrysk: which means kdm should get installed if you install kubuntu-desktop
[11:01] <defrysk> iNiku, yes
[11:01] <defrysk> sorry
[11:02] <Cooner750> It's downloading packages now
[11:02] <defrysk> did not klick ricght in my pea brain
[11:02] <Shaezsche> kronoz nope, is it hidden?
[11:02] <iNiku> sokuban: you need root privileges for editing it
[11:02] <iNiku> sokuban: hence kdesu kate
[11:02] <kronoz> Shaezsche: it should be there :s
[11:02] <iNiku> sokuban: kdesu is like sudo for KDE
[11:02] <sokuban> I have root privileges, I think, this is my only account
[11:02] <Shaezsche> kronoz, i swear its not
[11:02] <iNiku> sokuban: no you don't
[11:02] <Shaezsche> ill check again
[11:02] <Shaezsche> brb
[11:02] <Cooner750> So when this is done, just leave what I changed to /usr/bin/kdm?
[11:02] <iNiku> sokuban: you get root privilege with sudo or kdesu
[11:03] <kronoz> Shaezsche: ls /etc | grep 11
[11:03] <defrysk> Cooner750, yes
[11:03] <sokuban> ok, so I type kdesu into a terminal?
[11:03] <iNiku> Cooner750: yep. and go to a console with ctrl-alt-f1 and do a sudo /etc/init.d/kdm start to get it running
[11:03] <iNiku> sokuban: kdesu kate /etc/fstab
[11:03] <defrysk> sokuban, kdesu <app>
[11:03] <ericc> adept froze on me when installing some stuff..i killed the process and now when running it tells me there is a lock file and won't run...what files do I need to delete to remove the "lock" ?
[11:03] <Cooner750> ok. What about GDM, it's already off since I rebooted, correct?
[11:03] <iNiku> sokuban: word of warning, though... do *not* touch any other lines in /etc/fstab
[11:03] <kronoz> ericc, sudo dpkg -a
[11:03] <defrysk> Cooner750, yes
[11:03] <ericc> kronoz: gracias
[11:03] <iNiku> Cooner750: it won't start if default-display-manager doesn't point to it
[11:04] <Cooner750> Ok. KDM is running
[11:04] <sokuban> so I should only touch dev/hdd1?
[11:04] <Cooner750> GDM is off. So Should I log out to see?
[11:04] <Cooner750> brb
[11:04] <iNiku> Cooner750: log off first
[11:04] <sokuban> or dev/hdd5?
[11:04] <iNiku> oh well
[11:04] <iNiku> sokuban: dunno, which one is your windows partition?
[11:05] <sokuban> how am I supposed to know >_>
[11:05] <iNiku> sokuban: doesn't the GUI mount thingy tell you?
[11:05] <sokuban> oh it was dev/hdd1
[11:05] <iNiku> sokuban: which device were you trying to mount before?
[11:05] <iNiku> sokuban: okay, that should be it then... do you have a line for it in /etc/fstab already?
[11:06] <sokuban> yes
[11:06] <iNiku> sokuban: show us
[11:07] <sokuban> it was /dev/hdd1     /         ext3          defaults,errors=remount-ro      0            1
[11:07] <defrysk> hmm ;s
[11:07] <iNiku> sokuban: uh
[11:08] <iNiku> sokuban: you don't want to touch that
[11:08] <iNiku> sokuban: that's your linux root filesystem
[11:08] <sokuban> >_> oh
[11:08] <sokuban> that was close
[11:08] <linuxmonkey> trying to mount root.lol
[11:08] <fatejudger> !sources.list
[11:08] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource.
[11:08] <iNiku> sokuban: if you were trying to mount that as your windows partition, no wonder it didn't work
[11:08] <Shaezsche> kronoz no luck i swear there is no etc/x11
[11:08] <_john> Looking for help to sort out a sound problem. I just downloaded dapper successfully but cannot get Amorak to play any songs of my song files...any suggestions?
[11:08] <sokuban> so hdd5 is the one I want then?
[11:09] <iNiku> sokuban: dunno. does that have a line in fstab?
[11:09] <sokuban> yes
 mp3 files?
[11:09] <iNiku> sokuban: the partition name can be anything, depending on your disk configuration
[11:09] <_john> Yes
[11:09] <iNiku> sokuban: there's no way for me to know
[11:09] <iNiku> sokuban: but show the line for hdd5
[11:09] <robin> XGL uses a <Super> button, which must be the windows key I assume, but It's not working?
[11:10] <kronoz> Shaezsche: just to check, 11 is the number eleven not lowercase LL
[11:10] <robin> Do I have to set it somewhere ?
[11:10] <sokuban> it was /dev/hdd5      none           swap           sw          0            0
[11:10] <defrysk> _john, http://www.kubuntu.org/faq.php#mp3s
[11:10] <iNiku> sokuban: well, you don't want to touch that either, it's your linux swap
[11:10] <linuxmonkey> lmao
[11:10] <iNiku> virtual memory, in other words
[11:10] <sokuban> >_>
[11:10] <sokuban> so what do I touch?
[11:10] <iNiku> sokuban: ...
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[11:10] <kronoz> Shaezsche: if it really isn't there I can't see much you can do other reinstall kubuntu
[11:10] <_john> defrysk: many thanks
[11:10] <iNiku> you need to figure out what your windows partition is first
[11:11] <Shaezsche> kronoz yes numbers
[11:11] <sokuban> there is a 'proc' and a '/dev/hdc'
[11:11] <iNiku> otherwise you cannot mount it
[11:11] <Shaezsche> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[11:11] <ubotu> No idea, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, Shaezsche
[11:11] <Cooner750> Success
[11:11] <iNiku> and as it's not mounted, it's probably not in /etc/fstab
[11:11] <Shaezsche> linux should not have let me install those official microsoft drivers...
[11:11] <iNiku> so you need to add it there.
[11:11] <_john> jaims: thanks
[11:11] <iNiku> Cooner750: cool :)
[11:11] <iNiku> Cooner750: can you switch users now?
[11:11] <Cooner750> Now, what happened to my fonts & icons? The text in menus is huge
[11:12] <Cooner750> as well as icons
[11:12] <iNiku> uh
[11:12] <iNiku> I have no idea
[11:12] <Cooner750> kubuntu-desktop does that I think
[11:12] <robin> anyone knows how to set the <Super> key :) ?
[11:12] <sokuban> well how would I figure it out? It doesn't say anything in konqueror
[11:13] <iNiku> sokuban: sudo fdisk -l
[11:13] <NthDegree> robin
[11:13] <NthDegree> super user is root
[11:13] <defrysk> Cooner750,  go to systemsettings in menu
[11:14] <kronoz> Shaezsche: what M$ drivers?
[11:14] <Cooner750> Change? For the font size in the menus?
[11:14] <iNiku> sokuban: try to find your windows partition there
[11:14] <Cooner750> K menu goes off the screen almost
[11:14] <NthDegree> robin, you just use sudo passwd root
[11:14] <sokuban> what do I do after I type that in? now a completely blank line comes up
[11:14] <defrysk> Cooner750, then go to gtkstyles and fonts
[11:14] <iNiku> robin: wtf is the <Super> key? :P
[11:14] <Riddell> ** Kubuntu meeting in 1 minute in #ubuntu-meeting
[11:14] <Shaezsche> http://downloadfinder.intel.com/scripts-df-external/Product_Filter.aspx?ProductID=1764 the linux version of these
[11:15] <iNiku> sokuban: uh... where did you type it?
[11:15] <sokuban> in a terminal
[11:15] <defrysk> Cooner750, then use my kdestyle in blah bla in both boxes
[11:15] <Shaezsche> http://www.intel.com/support/chipsets/sb/CS-011594.htm they are for the 915 chipset
[11:15] <robin> iNiku: something XGL uses :), but it has to be mapped to the windows key
[11:15] <robin> iNiku: I think my windows key is not enabled in kde
[11:15] <iNiku> sokuban: it's not asking for your password?
[11:15] <MrBallZ> Hi, just installed Kubuntu 6.06, then ran automatix the newest one, installed the stuff I wanted, so ... is there anything else to update ? aside of KDE 3.5.3 ?
[11:15] <sokuban> nope
[11:15] <linuxmonkey> NthDegree:  we try not to use ROOT, please use sudo for all commands that require root
[11:15] <NthDegree> linuxmonkey
[11:15] <mmanton02> i tried to install flash but the installer didnt work, anyone got any ideas?//
[11:15] <defrysk> Cooner750, got kde running on kdm now ?
[11:15] <NthDegree> someone asked how to set the super user password
[11:16] <iNiku> sokuban: did you get a new prompt or is it hanging?
[11:16] <NthDegree> so i told them
[11:16] <Qill> !flash
[11:16] <ubotu> Installation & troubleshooting for Flash is covered in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[11:16] <sokuban> not sure what that means but I think its hanging
[11:16] <NthDegree> i'm assuming that is what one means by <super> key
[11:16] <defrysk> !flashplugin
[11:16] <iNiku> sokuban: so you cannot type new commands?
[11:16] <ubotu> defrysk: My cat's name is Mittens! Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[11:16] <sokuban> I can type something in
[11:16] <iNiku> sokuban: but do you have a command prompt?
[11:16] <Qill> !mittens
[11:16] <ubotu> Do they come in packets of five. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, Qill
[11:17] <sokuban>  just a '>'
[11:17] <iNiku> sokuban: or is the cursor on an empty line?
[11:17] <Desh> I downloaded the alternative install CD for Dapper but apparently it is corrupted...
[11:17] <iNiku> sokuban: ahh, you probably have a ' or " in your command somewhere
[11:17] <Cooner750> Yep
[11:17] <defrysk> Desh, burn the iso at a slower speed
[11:17] <Cooner750> Working good here
[11:17] <iNiku> sokuban: try ctrl-c
[11:17] <Cooner750> The user switching is fat
[11:17] <Cooner750> fast*
[11:17] <Qill> Or better yet, verirfy all your burns
[11:17] <iNiku> sokuban: then sudo fdisk -l without any quotes or stuff
[11:18] <sokuban> I don't have quotes in it at all, and I can't copy into Konsole >_>
[11:18] <iNiku> sokuban: what do you mean you can't copy?
[11:18] <iNiku> copy what?
[11:18] <iNiku> from where?
[11:18] <Desh> defrysk: when i open the iso Nero tells me: the entered block size does not correspond to the image length. The block size may be wrong.
[11:18] <Cooner750> bbrb
[11:18] <Cooner750> brb
[11:18] <sokuban> what else does ctr-C do?
[11:19] <defrysk> Desh, you used explorer to download ?
[11:19] <iNiku> ctrl-c is cancel/abort/break/whatever
[11:19] <Desh> Firefox.
[11:19] <sokuban> oh, while in Konsole
[11:19] <Desh> On Windows.
[11:19] <iNiku> it tries to cancel the command you're running
[11:19] <sokuban> I see
[11:19] <defrysk> Desh, strange....
[11:19] <iNiku> you don't need to "copy" in X
[11:19] <iNiku> when you select something it's automatically copied
[11:19] <iNiku> and you can paste with the middle mouse button
[11:19] <sokuban> but I think I need to type something in after the '>' because if I say, for example type something random in, it will bash it then ask for my password
[11:19] <Desh> defrysk: Should I redownload it?
[11:20] <defrysk> sokuban, highlighting is copying
[11:20] <jdmpike> what is the problem with linux and alsa?
[11:20] <iNiku> bash it?
[11:20] <defrysk> middlmouseklick is pasting
[11:20] <jdmpike> why does sound mixing suck so bad?
[11:20] <iNiku> sokuban: sorry, I have no idea what you mean
[11:20] <MrBallZ> I just installed Kubuntu 6.06, then ran automatix the newest one, installed the stuff I wanted, so ... is there anything else to update ? aside of KDE 3.5.3 ?
[11:20] <defrysk> Desh, unfortunately yes I guess so
[11:20] <iNiku> sokuban: what was the command you typed in the console?
[11:21] <sokuban> after that I typed 'h' and it gave me 'bash: h: commant not found (next line) Password:
[11:21] <defrysk> sokuban, you see a > in your console ?
[11:21] <sokuban> yes
[11:21] <iNiku> sokuban: just press ctrl-c
[11:21] <iNiku> what happens then?
[11:21] <defrysk> should be gone now
[11:21] <sokuban> then it goes back to sokuban@sokuban-desktop
[11:21] <defrysk> good
[11:22] <iNiku> sokuban: okay, now, type sudo fdisk -l
[11:22] <iNiku> and press enter
[11:22] <defrysk> sokuban, dont copu " or '
[11:22] <defrysk> copy
[11:22] <iNiku> sokuban: it may or may not ask for your password, then it should give you a list of all disk partitions on the system
[11:22] <humbolt> dapper is unstable!
[11:22] <sokuban> oh wait... is that a lowercase L or the thing above the enter key?
[11:22] <defrysk> humbolt, arent we all!
[11:23] <iNiku> sokuban: lowercase L
[11:23] <humbolt> now it starts eating my email, my address book disappeared, ....
[11:23] <sokuban> because if I type a lowercase L, then it asks for a password
[11:23] <sokuban> oh >__<
[11:23] <stoft> I can't seem to change my mouse acceleration (laptop, synaptics touchpad, protocol is set to auto-dev), anyone have any clues? I've tried both the kde config and "xset m x y"
[11:23] <iNiku> what's the thing above the enter key?
[11:23] <NthDegree> humbolt ubuntu is not meant to be stable, it is meant to be the latest packages (stable ones though)
[11:23] <linuxmonkey> humbolt: im not having any issues at all :)
[11:23] <iNiku> NthDegree: interesting view
[11:23] <humbolt> right now, it seems the only distro you can truly use is debian/sarge but of course you won't have the latest desktop and udev.
[11:24] <defrysk> humbolt, trolling ?
[11:24] <humbolt> NthDegree: I thought especially this dapper release is meant to be stable!
[11:24] <humbolt> LTS?!
[11:24] <sokuban> well there is a /dev/hda1 which is a W95 FAT32, but there is another /dev/hda1 which is linux
[11:24] <stoft> humbolt: aside from needing some minor tweaking I've hade no probs with kubuntu dapper, even thought I've been using it for over a month now.
[11:25] <iNiku> sokuban: err, umm
[11:25] <humbolt> and well breezy was only the testing version of dapper anyway!
[11:25] <humbolt> breezy was awfull!
[11:25] <stoft> *though
[11:25] <iNiku> sokuban: there's no way you can have more than one /dev/hda1
[11:25] <sokuban> that sure is wierd then
[11:25] <NthDegree> humbolt, what ubuntu call stable is stable but not stable like RHEL or Debian Stable
[11:25] <defrysk> humbolt, glad to hear that , didnt know it was all so bad
[11:25] <humbolt> I had less trouble with flight6 than I am havind now!
[11:25] <kronoz> sikuban, no, it is impossible
[11:25] <sokuban> want me to take a picture and imageshack it? there is something wierd that is hard to explain
[11:25] <Desh> Man, I'm destined not to use Dapper.
[11:25] <NthDegree> it features the best stuf
[11:25] <StageZero> Hi!
[11:25] <NthDegree> stuff**
[11:25] <defrysk> humbolt, where would we be without you
[11:25] <linuxmonkey> sokuban: yeah maybe a hdb if you got a second hard drive
[11:26] <iNiku> sokuban: or you could paste the output to a pastebin
[11:26] <iNiku> !tell sokuban about paste
[11:26] <sokuban> but how do you copy out of a terminal?
[11:26] <iNiku> sokuban: select the text with the mouse
[11:26] <defrysk> highlight it
[11:26] <iNiku> it's automatically copied
[11:26] <sokuban> ok
[11:26] <StageZero> I've installed Breezy, updated it to Dapper and am now installing OpenOffice2.
[11:26] <iNiku> then middle-click to paste
[11:26] <Desh> Highlight and right click and click copy?
[11:26] <humbolt> defrysk: I am not complaining, just trying to verify if anybody else has similar experiences with dapper.
[11:26] <iNiku> Desh: that's windows madness
[11:26] <defrysk> Desh, just highlight
[11:27] <Desh> But it works in Breezy Konsole.
[11:27] <defrysk> middlemouseklick is paste
[11:27] <humbolt> And I am trying to figure out, which distro I should use for my server finally.
[11:27] <Desh> After the trouble Dapper has given me, Windows doesn't seem so evil...
[11:27] <defrysk> highlight = copy middlemouseclick is paste
[11:27] <StageZero> Dapper seems to be a big bugfix for Breezy, but there are still some bugs...
[11:27] <iNiku> humbolt: how about windows vista?
[11:27] <defrysk> easy as pie
[11:27] <sokuban> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15212
[11:27] <humbolt> iNiku: come on, I am not that crazy!
[11:27] <iNiku> humbolt: are you sure? :)
[11:28] <kronoz> humbolt, servers = debian
[11:28] <humbolt> iNiku: Yes, I am very sure.
[11:28] <pekuja> I'd actually prefer not to use X style copypaste
[11:28] <iNiku> sokuban: there's only one /dev/hda1 in that output
[11:28] <linuxmonkey> lol
[11:28] <Desh> Windows 95 ftw!
[11:28] <iNiku> humbolt: good for you
[11:28] <humbolt> kronoz: That's what I am about to end up with.
[11:28] <pekuja> if anyone knows how to disable that, i'd be happy to know.
[11:28] <sokuban> >_> oh one is hda the other is hdd sorry, I misread
[11:28] <iNiku> sokuban: /dev/hda1 is your windows partition
[11:28] <humbolt> I had debian for all my servers so far.
[11:28] <iNiku> W95 FAT32, as you can see
[11:29] <robin> damn how can I enable my windows key :)
[11:29] <Desh> Hahaha, I remember w95 >_<
[11:29] <robin> it isn't working.
[11:29] <linuxbambi> hi everybody, is there a way to bring the 5.10 bootsplash-screen to drapper? i dont like the new one, i prefered the old bootsplash
[11:29] <sokuban> ah ok, so I add that to another line on the fstab?
[11:29] <Desh> How come when I use the Dapper CD's it says 2 mem failures or something?
[11:29] <kronoz> humbolt, stable/testing/unstable ?
[11:29] <iNiku> sokuban: so you'll want "/dev/hda1    /media/hda1     vfat    defaults    0    0" in /etc/fstab
[11:29] <StageZero> I've read you can easily convert Kubuntu to Debian if you manipulate some settings in the sources.list.
[11:29] <defrysk> w95 95 was the times it needed to be rebooted daily
[11:29] <pekuja> I guess it's pretty handy, but for me, it's more trouble than it's worth. I often mispaste something by accident and then I have trouble actually pasting stuff for example if I need to clear some text before pasting, in which case I select another piece of text.
[11:29] <sokuban> (one of the reasons I got Linux is because I am cheap and I can't be bothered to buy the new windows)
[11:30] <humbolt> kronoz: stable/sarge of course!
[11:30] <kronoz> defrysk, what about win98 that needed win98SE lol
[11:30] <defrysk> kronoz, 9.8 times a day
[11:30] <iNiku> pekuja: guess it depends on what you're used to
[11:30] <Desh> My winXP would lag at laying mpg's
[11:30] <humbolt> kronoz: Would rather use dapper than testing or unstable!
[11:30] <defrysk> w98 se was a proper 95 bugfix
[11:30] <iNiku> pekuja: I find the windows way soooo frustrating
[11:30] <Desh> XP wasn't SO bad.
[11:30] <slow-motion> n8
[11:30] <pekuja> iNiku, I'm used to the X style paste, I've used it for years.
[11:30] <StageZero> Windows is not bad...
[11:30] <defrysk> w2k is my favo ms os
[11:31] <kronoz> humbolt, testing is more stable that dapper i think, testing is pretty stable, heck, even unstable is stable
[11:31] <StageZero> If you know what you should do and what you must not do.
[11:31] <pekuja> iNiku, but I still do not like it
[11:31] <Desh> I may try XP Media Center
[11:31] <humbolt> StageZero: Windows sucks for app switching!
[11:31] <iNiku> debian unstable isn't all that stable
[11:31] <pekuja> iNiku, it has limitations
[11:31] <StageZero> Then Windows XP is a very stable and comfortable operatingsystem.
[11:31] <Desh> humbolt: Server = Windows ME
[11:31] <iNiku> pekuja: okay, matter of preference then :)
[11:31] <iNiku> anyway, gotta go.
[11:31] <linuxbambi> ehm. someone has an idea how to change the bootsplash-screen into the old ohne from kubuntu 5.10 ?
[11:31] <StageZero> Windows ME was a huge step...
[11:31] <humbolt> StageZero: If you run more than one app it takes for ever to switch from one to the other!
[11:31] <defrysk> StageZero, virusses run like a charm on it
[11:31] <StageZero> ...in the wrong way.
[11:31] <StageZero> :-)
[11:31] <pekuja> iNiku, the only real advantage is that it's faster, but I don't really need to copypaste at high speeds
[11:32] <Desh> Windows ME ftw.
[11:32] <kronoz> ME sucked :p
[11:32] <Desh> Duh?
[11:32] <StageZero> humbolt: if you have not enough RAM, but with enough it is at least as fast as Kubuntu.
[11:32] <StageZero> defrysk: virusses are a problem, but meanwhile some are existing for linux as well.
[11:32] <pekuja> does anyone know if it is possible to disable the X copypaste functionality?
[11:32] <defrysk> ME was a disaster indeed
[11:32] <humbolt> StageZero: 1.5GB should be enough, but it still sucks!
[11:33] <jorik> linux has virusses ?!
[11:33] <humbolt> Still much slower than KDE for example.
[11:33] <linuxbambi> noone has an idea?
[11:33] <defrysk> StageZero, now we have to try to get them to work
[11:33] <Desh> Visuses on linux? :-O
[11:33] <StageZero> humbolt: I guess the reason for the bad performance was maybe a layer-8-problem?
[11:33] <StageZero> :-)
[11:33] <jaims> bye
[11:33] <Desh> Well, I think we can all agree, Kubuntu > MAC OSX
[11:33] <kronoz> StageZero, most linux viruses don't leave the lab
[11:33] <sokuban> I tried to mount it again this time I get the error '[mntent] :warning: no final newline at the end of /etc/fstab (next line) mount: only root can mount /dev/hda1 on /media/hda1 (next line) Please check that the device is plugged correctly
[11:33] <StageZero> KDE is very slower on my PIII-800 / 512 MB than XP.
[11:34] <defrysk> kronoz, they die outside the lab
[11:34] <humbolt> StageZero: Yes, layer 8 beeing faster than fzkin Windoof!
[11:34] <kronoz> I would like to have a Mac one day *dreaming*
[11:34] <StageZero> kronoz: but in worst case it will be enough if just one leaves...
[11:34] <jorik> Desh, at least it looks better ;-)
[11:34] <Desh> I'd like a Mac for Final Cut Pro.
[11:34] <pekuja> there are no linux viruses that I would worry about, but one thing to be wary of is crackers if you're running any server software
[11:34] <Desh> That's it.
[11:34] <kronoz> StageZero, thus (C/K)lamAV or AVG Free Linux
[11:35] <Desh> I used AVG Free on Windows.
[11:35] <linuxbambi> Okay... i repeat ;) - does anybody know how to change the Bootsplash-screen into the old one of Kubuntu 5.10 Breezy?
[11:35] <StageZero> kronoz: but if you need to run antivirus-programms on linux one big advantage of linux is up and away
[11:35] <kronoz> StageZero, there isn't even binary compatability between the distros though a potential virus would make it very far
[11:35] <Desh> I don't thik it's there.
[11:35] <pekuja> umm... aren't linux virus scanners mostly for server use for checking for windows viruses in e-mails etc?
[11:35] <StageZero> damn, I need to improve my english if I want to work with Linux, I guess...
[11:35] <Desh> Or learn Chinese...
[11:35] <Desh> o_O
[11:35] <defrysk> chinux
[11:35] <StageZero> I am able to speak some klingon.
[11:36] <Desh> -_-
[11:36] <StageZero> I think it has to be enough.
[11:36] <StageZero> :-)
[11:36] <jorik> *_*
[11:36] <linuxbambi> is someone able to answer my problem?
[11:36] <Desh> THat is not something to be rpoud of...
[11:36] <jorik> linuxbambi, dont think so
[11:36] <Desh> *proud
[11:36] <sokuban> I tried to mount it again this time I get the error '[mntent] :warning: no final newline at the end of /etc/fstab (next line) mount: only root can mount /dev/hda1 on /media/hda1 (next line) Please check that the device is plugged correctly
[11:36] <defrysk> in china unrar becomes unlal
[11:36] <Desh> sokuban, I had the same error, is this after a Dapper upgrade from Breezy?
[11:36] <sokuban> nope, I get dapper yesterday
[11:36] <iNiku> Desh, so, what's wrong with Mac OS X then?
[11:36] <Ademan> with kdeveop what project type is just the standard make/autoconf project?
[11:37] <Desh> Ah, ok.
[11:37] <StageZero> I've upgradet to Dapper from Breezy, no problems at this time.
[11:37] <iNiku> sokuban: ah, add ",user" after defaults in fstab
[11:37] <StageZero> Just the shutdown after the Upgrade failed.
[11:37] <StageZero> That was all.
[11:37] <pekuja> linuxbambi, I guess you could get the old kubuntu-usplash-artwork package and install that, but that probably breaks the kubuntu-desktop metapackage and then you'd have to make sure you don't upgrade that one package
[11:37] <Desh> iNiku, I personally don't like it, it's too dumbed down.
[11:37] <iNiku> sokuban: and add a newline at the end of the line
[11:37] <sokuban> is that a comma?
[11:37] <iNiku> Desh: at least it's based on a real OS, though
[11:37] <iNiku> sokuban: yes
[11:37] <iNiku> sokuban: so you'll have "defaults,user" there
[11:37] <Desh> iNiku, it teaches you to stay computer dumb, Mac usesrs don't even know how to format drives.
[11:37] <StageZero> But I have a little problem with my WLAN-Adapter.
[11:37] <pekuja> linuxbambi, or you could open that old package up and replace the image files on your system
[11:37] <linuxbambi> but the old bootsplash looks so much better than the new one
[11:38] <pekuja> linuxbambi, I think they go in /boot/grub, but I might be wrong
[11:38] <iNiku> Desh: they usually don't need to. I consider that a good thing for most people.
[11:38] <StageZero> I need to configure the encryption in the shell via iwconfig and then add a default gateway.
[11:38] <jorik> StageZero, you're lucky, i had huuuuuge problems with X crashing every five seconds and linux completely locking up. after a while X wouldnt even start anymore ... the problems majically went away tho (seriously, i have NO idea what i did to solve them)
[11:38] <Desh> INiku, maybe, but at least Windows users tend to know a bit more.
[11:38] <StageZero> It seems the configuration from the graphical systemsettings-tool will not be applied.
[11:38] <iNiku> Desh: yeah, but why should they? oh yeah, because the crappy system forces them to learn unnecessary stuff :)
[11:38] <Desh> INiku, maybe, as there are many computer dumb people, but I prefer having control over my computer.
[11:38] <sokuban> still get an error, 'mount: mount point /media/hda1 does not exist' should I make it I guess?
[11:38] <iNiku> Desh: yeah, but most people couldn't care less
[11:38] <pekuja> linuxbambi, you should probably check http://packages.ubuntulinux.org/ and get the breezy package
[11:38] <Desh> INiku, true, it all depends on tastes
[11:38] <StageZero> jorik: I need Dapper for work, so i had no chance.
[11:38] <StageZero> :-)
[11:38] <iNiku> Desh: they just want to surf the net, read their email and play their games
[11:39] <pekuja> linuxbambi, the package is called something like kubuntu-usplash-artwork
[11:39] <defrysk> sokuban, sudo mkdir /media/hda1
[11:39] <Desh> iNiku: I miss games...
[11:39] <iNiku> Desh: and above all they want things to Just Work, and Mac is pretty good on that front
[11:39] <StageZero> I had to upgrade, otherwise I have not been able to work with the system.
[11:39] <StageZero> And there was not enough time to download the Dapper-CD.
[11:39] <sokuban> yay! its mounted!
[11:39] <Desh> iNiku, yeah, but it's not for me at least, or for most people here I'd imagine, at least not as good a choice as Kubuntu.
[11:40] <sokuban> thanks for all your help
[11:40] <StageZero> Where are you all from?
[11:40] <iNiku> Desh: I actually rather like OS X, the gui is cute but powerful enough for most things and yet there's a real OS underneath it
[11:40] <jorik> StageZero, at least you get to use linux at work ...
[11:40] <StageZero> Are you all from countries where english is a foreign language?
[11:40] <defrysk> StageZero, yes
[11:40] <jorik> me too
[11:40] <linuxbambi> me too
[11:40] <iNiku> StageZero: yep
[11:40] <Desh> INiku, yeah I thinkit is a better OS than Windows, though I dislike the dumb down ness.
[11:40] <defrysk> english people go to the french room ;p
[11:41] <Desh> There's a french room?
[11:41] <iNiku> !fr
[11:41] <defrysk> !fr
[11:41] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[11:41] <Desh> Ew.
[11:41] <defrysk> !it
[11:41] <Desh> german?
[11:41] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[11:41] <defrysk> !de
[11:41] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu oder Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de oder #edubuntu-de
[11:41] <Desh> !ge
[11:41] <ubotu> Bugger all, I dunno. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, Desh
[11:41] <jorik> !nl
[11:41] <ubotu> Op #ubuntu-nl staat de koffie al voor je klaar.
[11:41] <stoft> !sv
[11:41] <defrysk> ah koffie :)
[11:41] <ubotu> Svensk Ubuntu- och Kubuntusupport hittar du pa #ubuntu-se resp. #kubuntu-se
[11:41] <Desh> Ich liebe deine Schwester.
[11:42] <Desh> Ich schlafe mit deine Schwester.
[11:42] <Desh> Hahaha.
[11:42] <StageZero> I'm not, I've learned english in school and I've hat the second worse rating in the whole class.
[11:42] <StageZero> :-)
[11:42] <defrysk> meine schwester ist verheirated
[11:42] <defrysk> toet mir leit
[11:42] <jorik> abekenau !
[11:42] <Desh> Hahaha, ach schade.
[11:42] <Desh> Also, bist du berheiratet? ;)
[11:42] <jorik> sheisse !
[11:42] <Desh> *verheiratet
[11:42] <StageZero> I'm from germany and I know there is a german channel, but I think in this channel more expertise is convened.
[11:43] <defrysk> nein ich wohne samen oder etwas
[11:43] <StageZero> I'm divorced.
[11:43] <StageZero> :-)
[11:43] <kronoz> StageZero, your english seems very good to me
[11:43] <Desh> I'm 17 -_-
[11:43] <Desh> Suckas.
[11:43] <defrysk> ich ouch devorced 10 yrs ago
[11:43] <StageZero> Can I give you the E-Mail of my english teacher?
[11:43] <StageZero> :-D
[11:43] <Desh> Who here is under 20?
[11:43] <defrysk> aber ich habe eine neuen madelchen
[11:43] <kronoz> me
[11:43] <StageZero> I'm 25.
[11:43] <Desh> >_< old farts..
[11:43] <Desh> hahaha, joking.
[11:43] <Desh> DAMN!
[11:43] <jorik> im 20
[11:44] <jorik> damn 45 ! you're almost dead !!
[11:44] <jorik> :p
[11:44] <defrysk> tsss
[11:44] <kronoz> im 15 :p
[11:44] <Desh> AAHAHAHAHAAH!
[11:44] <Desh> That was uncalled for, jorik
[11:44] <jorik> hehehe i was just kiddin mate
[11:44] <jorik> ;-)
[11:44] <Desh> I know, me too, haha
[11:44] <defrysk> http://johanvrt.tomaatnet.nl/me.JPG is me
[11:44] <jorik> im sorry defrysk
[11:44] <blather> Hello.
[11:45] <StageZero> If the worms are starting to gobble if you walk your way along a graveyard then you should worry...
[11:45] <defrysk> old timer old hippie even
[11:45] <blather> In ubuntu, Evolution comes with the ability to connect to a Microsoft Exchange server.  However, in when I install it in Kubuntu, the function is missing.  How do I enable that?
[11:46] <Desh> Insta;; Microsoft Exchange with Wine...
[11:46] <StageZero> Okay, the OpenOffice-Installation succeeded.
[11:46] <Desh> *install
[11:46] <StageZero> :-)
[11:46] <jorik> http://users.pandora.be/spola/pics/logo.jpg <- me
[11:46] <StageZero> Next step is to install the german myspell-modules.
[11:46] <blather> it's an account type setting in evolution mail.
[11:46] <defrysk> ouwe smoker ;p
[11:46] <blather> it's present in ubuntu's default installation of evolution
[11:47] <blather> it's missing when i install evolution in kubuntu
[11:47] <Desh> Holy smokes, defrysk could be a serial kilelr!
[11:47] <Desh> Or like, a rock star..
[11:47] <defrysk> Desh, I never eat serials
[11:47] <Desh> Same thing really.
[11:47] <StageZero> And then I need to connect Linux with my Windows-Network.
[11:47] <StageZero> Hm...
[11:47] <Desh> Hahaha, props on teh hair.
[11:48] <Desh> !ndiswrapper
[11:48] <ubotu> ndiswrapper is, like, totally, a way to support Windows wireless drivers, but it is buggy compared to native support. More info at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WifiDocs/Driver/Ndiswrapper
[11:48] <Desh> StageZero, you rpbaby need ndiswrapper
[11:48] <Desh> *probably
[11:48] <StageZero> My WLAN-Adapter is running in Linux with defaultdrivers.
[11:48] <Desh> :-O!
[11:48] <Desh> WIsh my Linux did that...
[11:48] <Desh> Broadcom?
[11:48] <StageZero> But I need to configure it every time after reboot with iwconfig for encryption and route to add a default gateway.
[11:49] <StageZero> It seems the configuration from the System Settings-Module are not applied.
[11:49] <StageZero> It is the integrated WLAN of a Toshiba Pro 4600 Laptop, don't ask me for the chipset.
[11:49] <StageZero> :-)
[11:49] <Hobbsee> StageZero: lspci to find it
[11:49] <Desh> I always had to do that, set the wireless key blah blah, and then dhclient wlan0
[11:49] <StageZero> Do I need root-rights?
[11:49] <Desh> Use sudo?
[11:50] <StageZero> Yes.
[11:50] <Desh> That should work.
[11:50] <StageZero> It seems not to be listened there.
[11:51] <StageZero> The ethernet-device is listened but not the WLAN.
[11:51] <Desh> Why did memtest restart again?
[11:51] <Desh> How many times must it pass?
[11:52] <Desh> How many times does memtest need to pass?
[11:52] <defrysk> afaIk memtest should run a day or so
[11:52] <defrysk> never tried it tho
[11:52] <Desh> O_O
[11:52] <Desh> ARE YOU SERIOUS!?
[11:52] <defrysk> yes
[11:52] <Desh> Why?
[11:52] <defrysk> very much so
[11:53] <Desh> If it passed once, why would you want that?
[11:53] <defrysk> Desh, its a test
[11:53] <Desh> :( I hate tests.
[11:53] <defrysk> so I would say let it ride a few days to make sure
[11:53] <StageZero> Because some errors just appear after a while of pressure.
[11:53] <StageZero> :-)
[11:53] <defrysk> StageZero, correct
[11:54] <StageZero> I knew it from Windows...
[11:54] <Desh> Well, I just did it to pass the time while the new CD downloads.
[11:54] <StageZero> :-D
[11:54] <Desh> defrysk are you Scandanavian?
[11:54] <defrysk> StageZero, we all have our flaws ;)
[11:54] <defrysk> Desh, nope
[11:54] <Desh> Aww.
[11:54] <defrysk> a Frysian
[11:54] <Desh> WHat's that?
[11:54] <sokuban> How do you get mp3 support? I typed 'sudo apt-get libxine-extracodecs' into a terminal but it didn't work >_>
[11:54] <Hobbsee> !mp3
[11:54] <ubotu> mp3 is probably a patented format; to enable mp3 capability see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[11:55] <Desh> !Mp3
[11:55] <ubotu> rumour has it, mp3 is a patented format; to enable mp3 capability see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[11:55] <defrysk> an ancient tribe living in the northern part of holland
[11:55] <sokuban> I'm using the wiki >_>
[11:55] <reid> can anyone help me with a compile error???
[11:55] <nico8481> hi
[11:55] <defrysk> reid, get the missing .dev file
[11:55] <Desh> defrysk, O_O badass.
[11:55] <reid> what do you mean defrysk?
[11:55] <luh2> hi
[11:55] <defrysk> hi
[11:56] <luh2> i want my system to ask for the root password,
[11:56] <nico8481> any idea how to add places (read: "shortcuts to local folders") to the System menu? (the one next to the K one)
[11:56] <defrysk> !root
[11:56] <sokuban> umm how do you install the 'libxine-extracodecs'?
[11:56] <ubotu> Direct login as the root user is disabled in Ubuntu. Look at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo for all information.
[11:56] <luh2> but it can't  - i get an error - (it's german - does it help anyway?)
[11:56] <StageZero> Cool...
[11:56] <defrysk> !sudo
[11:56] <ubotu> [sudo]  a command that will let users run commands as root. Look at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo for all information.
[11:56] <StageZero> I just installed myspell german with the Adept Manager and it worked in OpenOffice without doing any configuration.
[11:56] <luh2> i added rootpw in the Default line in /etc/sudoers as it tells on the website
[11:56] <StageZero> Great.
[11:56] <cory> is it possible to have an nvidia an an ati card installed and working at the same time? I have a 3-monitor setup and i need to add another video card. the only one i have laying around right now is an ati.
[11:56] <luh2> i checked that out already
[11:57] <deviant> Aight, I'm in need of some help lol.. Can't seem to get my cd drive to mount correctly it's comming up unmounted drive in KDE Daemon
[11:57] <luh2> defrysk: any other idea?
[11:57] <reid> when I ./comnfigure CEGUI i get this error: checking for freetype2... configure: error: Package requirements (freetype2 >= 0.15.0) were not met.
[11:57] <defrysk> luh, nope , i use sudo
[11:57] <defrysk> no need for root
[11:57] <StageZero> In Dapper, are USB-Storage-Devices, such as USB-Sticks, are automatically mounted?
[11:57] <Desh> luh2, is your user part of the sudo group?
[11:57] <defrysk> if you want a root console do sudo -s
[11:57] <Ridius> Quick question. How do I force a usb-networking device to use IPv4 insetad of IPv6?
[11:57] <StageZero> I'm completly new with linux... :-D
[11:58] <luh2> Desh? i just want the system to ask for the root password when doing some stuff as root
[11:58] <luh2> that's all
[11:58] <luh2> so i did set up the root password (sudo passwd root)
[11:58] <sokuban> bah, I can't even get mp3 support with Adept, I type libxine-extracodecs in the search box but nothing pops up
[11:58] <reid> PLease; anyone??
[11:58] <luh2> and i edited the line in /etc/sudoers as told in the kubuntu wiki
[11:58] <luh2> but it still won't work
[11:58] <defrysk> reid, ask a question
[11:58] <deviant> Sokuban have you edited your apt sources.list?
[11:58] <luh2> i searched for the error message on google, but i found nothing
[11:58] <defrysk> we cannot answer a question without getting one
[11:59] <luh2> so the only chance i find sth is in this channel
[11:59] <iNiku> reid: you need to install freetype2-dev or something
[11:59] <sokuban> oh yea, I have one time, to get universe and multiverse
[11:59] <deviant> What distro are you currently running? Dapper, Breezy?
[11:59] <sokuban> dapper
[11:59] <reid> I get this error when I try to install CEGUI: checking for freetype2... configure: error: Package requirements (freetype2 >= 0.15.0) were not met. defrysk
[11:59] <cory> anyone?
[11:59] <iNiku> reid: apt-get install libfreetype6-dev
[11:59] <deviant> Are you a registered nick in Freenode?
[12:00] <iNiku> reid: probably
[12:00] <reid> it is not in synaptic INiku
[12:00] <sokuban> yes
[12:00] <reid> ok iNiku
[12:00] <reid> let me try...............
[12:00] <jorik> has anyone here tried tremulous ?
[12:00] <defrysk> reid, sudo apt-get install libttf-dev
[12:01] <nico8481> anyone know how i can add places to the System menu?
[12:01] <reid> Ok great defrysk and iNiku
[12:01] <Japsu> which package contains the script libtoolize in ubuntu?
[12:02] <chavo> Japsu, libtool
[12:02] <Blissex> Japsu: 'apt-file libtoolize' or 'apt-cache search libtoolize'
[12:02] <Japsu> Blissex: ooh
[12:02] <Japsu> didn't know of apt-file
[12:02] <reid> now I have done the ./configure and make commands what next?
[12:02] <Hobbsee> !compile
[12:02] <ubotu> A nice howto about compiling software from source code can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CompilingSoftware (but remember to search !apt first, after adding all the !repos)
[12:02] <defrysk> reid, make install
[12:03] <Blissex> Japsu: it is one of the half-zillion APT related commands...
[12:03] <Kadran> is there is no update for kopete? it is 0.12 now
[12:03] <Japsu> this is evil
[12:03] <Desh> I wish I could make my font pink in irc, like i have it on AIM...
[12:03] <reid> defrysk is it ok if I did make before make install?
[12:03] <Japsu> I have lots of automakes and autoreconfs installed but no libtool
[12:03] <Japsu> >_<
[12:03] <defrysk> Japsu, open source is evil
[12:03] <Japsu> defrysk: you are evil
[12:03] <defrysk> reid, that is coorect