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simira@schedule Oslo12:45
UbugtuSchedule for Europe/Oslo: 06 Jun 22:00: Technical Board | 06 Jun 23:00: Kubuntu | 07 Jun 15:30: Xubuntu | 07 Jun 22:00: Edubuntu | 08 Jun 10:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 14 Jun 14:00: Edubuntu12:45
ealden@schedule Manila12:58
UbugtuSchedule for Asia/Manila: 07 Jun 04:00: Technical Board | 07 Jun 05:00: Kubuntu | 07 Jun 21:30: Xubuntu | 08 Jun 04:00: Edubuntu | 08 Jun 16:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 14 Jun 20:00: Edubuntu12:58
jsgotangcodoh01:05
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imbrandon@schedule chicago01:09
UbugtuSchedule for America/Chicago: 06 Jun 15:00: Technical Board | 06 Jun 16:00: Kubuntu | 07 Jun 08:30: Xubuntu | 07 Jun 15:00: Edubuntu | 08 Jun 03:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 14 Jun 07:00: Edubuntu01:09
ajmitchjsgotangco: going to attend the TB meeting?01:17
jsgotangco4AM?01:17
jsgotangcoheh01:17
ajmitchyeah01:17
siretartajmitch: I will be about 30min late tonight, could you perhaps mdz tell to delay my backports point until then?01:27
ajmitchsiretart: if I'm up in time for the meeting01:27
ajmitchit's at 8AM for me, I'll try & make it01:27
siretartajmitch: oh, then never mind01:28
siretartah, he is here, I can tell him myself :P01:28
siretartmdz: re the point I set on the agenda: I won't make it on time, I'll be late about 30mins, but I will definitly try to attend. It would be great if this point could be a bit delayed.01:29
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GNAM@schedule ROme03:03
UbugtuSchedule for Europe/Rome: 06 Jun 22:00: Technical Board | 06 Jun 23:00: Kubuntu | 07 Jun 15:30: Xubuntu | 07 Jun 22:00: Edubuntu | 08 Jun 10:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 14 Jun 14:00: Edubuntu03:03
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Klaidasschedule VIlnius03:23
Klaidasoops03:24
Klaidas@schedule VIlnius03:24
UbugtuSchedule for Europe/Vilnius: 06 Jun 23:00: Technical Board | 07 Jun 00:00: Kubuntu | 07 Jun 16:30: Xubuntu | 07 Jun 23:00: Edubuntu | 08 Jun 11:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 14 Jun 15:00: Edubuntu03:24
=== jenda wonders if lithuanian also uses
Klaidasthey do :)03:25
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jenda@schedule prague03:34
UbugtuSchedule for Europe/Prague: 06 Jun 22:00: Technical Board | 06 Jun 23:00: Kubuntu | 07 Jun 15:30: Xubuntu | 07 Jun 22:00: Edubuntu | 08 Jun 10:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 14 Jun 14:00: Edubuntu03:34
jendaAh... beautiful.03:34
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zul@scehdule Montreal05:37
zul@schedule Montreal05:37
UbugtuSchedule for America/Montreal: 06 Jun 16:00: Technical Board | 06 Jun 17:00: Kubuntu | 07 Jun 09:30: Xubuntu | 07 Jun 16:00: Edubuntu | 08 Jun 04:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 14 Jun 08:00: Edubuntu05:37
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lucas@schedule Europe/Paris08:11
UbugtuSchedule for Europe/Paris: 06 Jun 22:00: Technical Board | 06 Jun 23:00: Kubuntu | 07 Jun 15:30: Xubuntu | 07 Jun 22:00: Edubuntu | 08 Jun 10:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 14 Jun 14:00: Edubuntu08:11
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bluefoxicy@schedule US/EDT08:25
bluefoxicy@schedule US/Eastern08:25
UbugtuSchedule for US/Eastern: 06 Jun 16:00: Technical Board | 06 Jun 17:00: Kubuntu | 07 Jun 09:30: Xubuntu | 07 Jun 16:00: Edubuntu | 08 Jun 04:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 14 Jun 08:00: Edubuntu08:25
bluefoxicywhat's the technical board for again?08:25
ogratechnical discussion :)08:25
=== highvoltage is staying up for tonight's meeting
rikaithat makes a crazt anount of sense. ;)08:30
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imbrandon@schedule US/Central kubuntu08:43
imbrandon@schedule US/Central08:43
UbugtuSchedule for US/Central: 06 Jun 15:00: Technical Board | 06 Jun 16:00: Kubuntu | 07 Jun 08:30: Xubuntu | 07 Jun 15:00: Edubuntu | 08 Jun 03:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 14 Jun 07:00: Edubuntu08:43
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Klaidas@schedule Vilnius08:59
UbugtuSchedule for Europe/Vilnius: 06 Jun 23:00: Technical Board | 07 Jun 00:00: Kubuntu | 07 Jun 16:30: Xubuntu | 07 Jun 23:00: Edubuntu | 08 Jun 11:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 14 Jun 15:00: Edubuntu08:59
Seveas@now08:59
UbugtuCurrent time in Etc/UTC: June 06 2006, 18:59:51 - Next meeting: Technical Board  in 1 hours08:59
Klaidasok, I have some time to take a shower09:00
BlueT_@schedule taipei09:06
UbugtuSchedule for Asia/Taipei: 07 Jun 04:00: Technical Board | 07 Jun 05:00: Kubuntu | 07 Jun 21:30: Xubuntu | 08 Jun 04:00: Edubuntu | 08 Jun 16:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 14 Jun 20:00: Edubuntu09:06
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dinagefSorry I'm late...09:22
zulmeeting hasnt started yet09:22
dinagefAh, thanks.09:22
dinagefIs Stephan on?09:23
imbrandon@now09:23
highvoltage@schedule Johannesburg09:23
UbugtuCurrent time in Etc/UTC: June 06 2006, 19:23:46 - Next meeting: Technical Board  in 36 minutes09:23
UbugtuSchedule for Africa/Johannesburg: 06 Jun 22:00: Technical Board | 06 Jun 23:00: Kubuntu | 07 Jun 15:30: Xubuntu | 07 Jun 22:00: Edubuntu | 08 Jun 10:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 14 Jun 14:00: Edubuntu09:23
dinagefWhat time does this kick off?09:24
imbrandon30 minutes or so for the TB meeting09:27
dinagef?09:27
dinagefYay!09:27
dinagefFUCKING PISSFLAPS! UBUNTU R0X0RS!09:27
imbrandondinagef: just type @now and/or @schedule <timezone> while in this chan to find out later09:27
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imbrandonSeveas: heh anyway to keep him quiet durring the meeting , looks like it might be a problem ..... ( dinagef n=fred 82-42-225-31.stb.ubr06.live.blueyonder.co.uk * Fred Dinage )09:29
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Seveasimbrandon, yes there is09:31
imbrandon;)09:32
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=== ..[topic/#ubuntu-meeting:Ubugtu] : Current meeting: Technical Board | Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 06 Jun 21:00 UTC: Kubuntu | 07 Jun 13:30 UTC: Xubuntu | 07 Jun 20:00 UTC: Edubuntu | 08 Jun 08:00 UTC: Ubuntu Development Team | 14 Jun 12:00 UTC: Edubuntu
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bddebianHey folks09:58
mdzmorning09:58
Bluekujahello mdz,bddebian09:58
ograhey09:58
teckfattmdz: morning09:58
bddebianMorning?  It's 4:00pm ;-)09:58
mjg59Evening09:58
mdzsomewhere09:58
bddebianHi Bluekuja09:58
teckfatt9pm at UK09:59
pygihey hey Andrea09:59
mdzKeybuk: ping09:59
highvoltagehi bddebian, mdz, Bluekuja, ogra, mjg59, teckfatt and pygi :)09:59
bddebianHeh, hi highvoltage09:59
Bluekujapygi: hello mario :)09:59
mdzdanger, danger!09:59
ograheh, hey highvoltage 09:59
=== ogra ducks
Bluekujahighvoltage: hello jon :)09:59
pygimdz, nuclear power plant is exploding? :)09:59
ogra(instinctively)09:59
teckfatthighvoltage: hello 09:59
imbrandondanger will robinson ?!?10:00
pygibddebian, you came ;)10:00
zulwatchout radioactive man the sun is exploding again!10:00
bddebianpygi: Yeah, I figure what the he** :-)10:00
bddebianAll they can do is laugh at me :-)10:01
mdzcrimsun: here?10:01
crimsunmdz: yes10:01
mdzI think you're first on the agenda10:01
mdzwelcome, all, etc.  let's get started ;-)10:01
mdzcrimsun: so you're applying for -core-dev?10:02
Keybukmdz: yup10:02
ograoh ? you arent already ? 10:02
crimsunmdz: yes. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DanielTChen (top section) has some words on what I'd like to do for main.10:02
bddebianCrimsun wasn't already?10:03
=== ogra thought with all the alsa fixes that wouldnt be possible to do through a sponsor
mjg59Guys? Could we have a litle less background chatter?10:03
bddebianSorry10:03
mjg59It makes it trickier to pick out the important stuff10:03
mdzcrimsun: so you plan to implement this troubleshooting tool?10:03
crimsunmdz: yes, but certainly not alone10:04
crimsunmdz: there are a fair number of clueful people who can assist, and I value their contributions (trappist and dolson come to mind)10:04
mdzcrimsun: it seems to me that it would be sensible to incorporate additional troubleshooting functionality into ogra's hwdb-client rather than add a new tool10:04
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crimsunmdz: point taken, given that hwdb-client already has the needed info10:05
ograwhich should see a (partial) rewrite anyway (and if only for front/backend splitting to make kde happy)10:05
mjg59crimsun: You'd be happy with that?10:05
mdzcrimsun: and a primitive audio test10:05
crimsunogra: yes, and hopefully for Xfce, too?10:05
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ogracrimsun, yeah10:06
crimsunmjg59: avoiding unnecessary code duplication? very much so.10:06
mjg59crimsun: Has your MOTU work included much packaging?10:06
Keybukhttps://launchpad.net/people/crimsun/+packages10:06
crimsunmjg59: of new source packages? not terribly much is in the archives. I've done mostly maintenance work, though I'm fairly familiar with packaging.10:06
mjg59Ok, yeah, good point10:07
mdzmjg59: crimsun is a regular contributor to our kernel tree as well, if I'm not mistaken10:07
mjg59crimsun: My only vague concern is that working in main may involve you doing more packaging from scratch10:07
mjg59But my experience of your work is that you're sufficiently responsible that I doubt that would cause any sort of problems10:07
crimsunmjg59: I'm quite comfortable with packaging from scratch, as I'm pretty active in assisting others in #-motu10:08
mjg59crimsun: Ok, sounds good10:08
mdzcrimsun: was it the development of this troubleshooting tool which motivated you to apply for upload rights to main?10:08
mdzor anything else additionally?10:08
mjg59mdz: He is, and he's been invaluable in helping us keep track with upstream alsa10:08
=== imbrandon can definately vouch for crimsun helping new packagers in #-motu
crimsunmdz: to be honest, it was moreso to avoid having to ask pitti to upload alsa* changes10:08
KeybukI was about to say, crimsun is one of the rare people who seems to not mind touching ALSA10:09
mjg59Our sound support would be much worse otherwise10:09
mjg59I don't think I've got any more questions. You guys?10:10
mdzKeybuk: any questions for crimsun before voting?10:10
KeybukI have no questions10:10
mdzvotes?10:11
Keybuk+110:11
mdz+1 and hearty thanks for your contributions to date10:11
mjg59+110:11
crimsunthank you very much, and I look forward to making post-6.06 LTS rock even harder :)10:11
dholbachcongratulations, crimsun!10:11
mjg59crimsun: Congrats!10:11
mdzcrimsun: congratulations and welcome10:11
=== ogra applauds crimsun ecstatically
zulcrimsun: yay!10:11
jpatrickcrimsun: congrats10:12
mjg59Who's up next?10:12
highvoltagewhohoo!10:12
imbrandoncongrats10:12
bddebianw00t crimsun10:12
pygicongrats crimsun ;)10:12
Keybukbddebian, I believe?10:12
Bluekujamjg59: Its me for dev10:12
mdzis JAMIL AHMED present?10:12
siretartcongratulations, crimsun! :)10:12
Keybukmdz: he isn't a member of -dev yet10:12
mdzKeybuk: indeed10:12
Keybukso needs a dholbach love letter10:12
mdzdholbach: have you contacted him?10:12
mdzBluekuja: indeed, it appears you are next10:13
ogramdz, bddebian ?10:13
bddebianogra: ?10:13
dholbachmdz: I contacted all of them, but not my-sweet-leader and bluekuja (they're still in my inbox)10:13
ograbddebian, you are on the Applied for membership list for core-dev10:13
bddebianogra: Aye, just waiting my turn :-)10:14
mdzbddebian: oh, you applied before the previous meeting10:14
Keybukmdz: we didn't have a TB meeting two weeks ago, so bddebian didn't get processed10:14
mdzright-o10:14
Keybukso bddebian has actually applied since the last TB meeting that took place10:14
mdzbddebian: in that case you are next10:14
bddebianOK.  Well I don't have as fancy of a wiki as crimsun :-)10:15
bddebianIn fact mine is severely out of date10:15
mdzbddebian: indeed, your wiki link from launchpad is broken :-)10:15
bddebianIt is?10:15
bddebianHmm10:15
bddebianhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/BarrydeFreese10:15
mdzit links to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bddebian10:16
highvoltagehttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/BddebianIsAGod ?10:16
mdzwhich does not exist10:16
mdzhowever, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BddebianIsAGod does10:16
bddebianScary10:16
ogralol10:16
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mdzbddebian: what has motivated you to apply for -core-dev?10:16
bddebianSeveral things but probably the largest is bug fixes for some of the "less loved" packages10:17
bddebianI was hoping to help out with X but I don't think that is going to be feasable10:17
Keybukdo you have particular bug fixes in mind?10:17
bddebianAnything and everything I can get my hands on10:17
mdzbddebian: do you have any specific goals or areas where you plan to work?10:18
bddebianWhat I run into a lot of times are small bug fixes (ie kscd) that I have fixes for10:18
mjg59bddebian: Which less loves packages do you think are currently in main, and do you have your eye on any in particular?10:18
bddebianThis is going to sound cheesy, but no.  I kind of like hitting all the packages that don't see a great deal of attention.  Kind of the Ubuntu QA Group :-)10:19
Keybukbddebian: have you been making patches for those fixes and attaching them to the bug in Malone?10:19
bddebianYes10:19
Keybukdo you have any examples?10:19
mdzbddebian: have you made uploads to main through a sponsor?10:19
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bddebianAck, what is up with LP10:20
bddebianhttps://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kscd/+bug/3796310:21
UbugtuMalone bug 37963 in kscd "[patch]  song title partially hidden" [Normal,Confirmed]  10:21
bddebianhttps://launchpad.net/people/bddebian/+packages10:21
bddebianmdz: I'm not sure I can say that "officially", no10:22
mdzbddebian: what do you mean?10:23
bddebianI mean I don't know that someone officially sponsered a main upload for me10:23
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mdzbddebian: so to date, you haven't had cause to upload a package to main?10:24
bddebianOther than bugfixes, no10:24
mjg59bddebian: How do you think core-dev membership would significantly increase your workflow?10:25
bddebianWell one of the things that I find frustrating is having to bother people for simple fixes for things.  Let me clarify this a little.10:26
mdzbddebian: if you have contributions to make to main, the first logical step would be to have them reviewed and uploaded by an existing -core-dev member10:26
Keybukbddebian: a lot of your changes so far have been relatively minor bug fixes.  core-dev often involves quite major changes to packages, or even packaging new software.  Do you have any examples of packages you created from scratch, or patches you've written for particularly deep bugs in the source?10:26
bddebianmdz: That would be provided I could find someone with the time10:27
mdzbddebian: has that been a problem for you in the past?10:27
mjg59bddebian: As we've seen, other people appear to manage this10:27
bddebianmdz: Yes10:28
bddebianmjg59: Aye and maybe I just irritate people I don't know.  I've tried to understand that10:28
mjg59bddebian: Ok. It would be good to hear from people who've reviewed your patches to stuff in main10:28
bddebianKeybuk: Probably not significantly enough no10:28
mdzbddebian: have you approached someone for assistance with an upload and been declined?10:29
bddebianmdz: No, not outright that I can think of10:30
bddebianWell it appears that we are wasting peoples time, so no worries, I can try harder for Edgy I suppose.10:31
mdzbddebian: I think that a good first step would be to work with someone to review and upload your packages to main.  If you need help in finding someone, I can help with that10:32
mjg59bddebian: What would help a great deal is having people who are willing to comment on the quality of your work so far in main10:33
bddebianmjg59: Well to Keybuk's point, I suppose none of them have been significant enough.10:33
mdzbddebian: you have made a substantial contribution to universe and that is appreciated, but it would be best to start working in main before applying for direct upload rights10:33
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Keybukindeed, I'd like to second mdz's comment that your work in universe is very much appreciated!  keep it up10:34
bddebianIs there any chance of at least getting a Universe archive admin so we don't have to bother core-devs with syncs and removals?10:35
mdzbddebian: if you have any fixes for main, I'd be happy to help you get them reviewed and uploaded10:35
bddebianOK, thanks folks.10:36
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Keybukbddebian: the trouble with that is that the only difference between main and universe from a LP point of view is just a field in the database.  So there's no way to separate them via access control for the dedicated tools at this time10:37
Keybukonce the Web UI exposes syncs and removals, it should be trivial10:37
KeybukI believe that is on the cards10:37
bddebianOK, thanks10:37
Keybukwe literally just use tools that muck around with SQL at the moment10:37
mjg59Ok. Is that it for core-dev?10:37
mdzthere doesn't seem to be a backlog on ubuntu-archive at the moment10:38
mdzbddebian: thank you, and please do get in touch with me if you need any assistance10:38
bddebianSure10:38
mdzis Fred Chu here?10:39
mdzif not, Bluekuja is up for ubuntu-dev10:40
mjg59Let's go with Bluekuja and then we can come back if necessary10:40
BluekujaI've made a lot on some packages related to irc and bittorrent(it would be great to maintain some of them in universe), they are v2strip , anope, cog, gtorrent-viewer, ctorrent(gtorrent, anope are still in revu, soon others). I'm working with sfllaw (and chistoph Hass) that advocates me also for debian, where I'm developing gtorrent.(he reviews my packages)10:40
BluekujaI'm an uploader also in fedora extras repositories, there are already some of mine packages inside( gtorrent, and v2strip) and right now I'm building eggdrop, another irc bot.10:40
mdzBluekuja: it looks like you're interested in edubuntu?10:41
Bluekujamdz: exactly, I work for the edubuntu italian team10:41
Bluekujawith advocacy in schools and meetings10:41
ogramdz, Bluekuja is active with documentation transalations and stuff in edubuntu since a while 10:41
Bluekujaogra: thanks :)10:42
mdzogra: have you sponsored uploads for him?10:42
ogranope10:42
Bluekujamdz: i work on packages with simon law10:42
mdzsfllaw: ping?10:42
sfllawPong.10:42
sfllawSo...10:42
sfllawI've looked at Bluekuja's gtorrentviewer package.10:43
sfllawAnd we've gone through it over a couple of iterations.10:43
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sfllawIt's good enough to get into universe, I think.10:43
mdzBluekuja: is that your first package?10:43
Bluekujamdz: nope, I've made also a lot of other packages that have to be reviewed10:44
ograhave you got anything on revu ?10:44
Bluekujaogra: gtorrent-viewer, anope10:45
mdzBluekuja: anope is a new package?10:46
Bluekujamdz: what do you mean? new version or new package?10:46
mdzBluekuja: the description for it is not very clear; what does it do?10:47
mdzBluekuja: I mean new package10:47
Bluekujamdz: it's one of the most famous irc services10:47
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Bluekujathat supports all big servers10:47
Bluekujalike ircd-hybrid etc10:47
mdzBluekuja: what does it do?10:48
ogralooks like a bot collection10:48
Bluekujait provides chanserv, nickserv, hostserv10:48
Bluekujaopserv10:48
Bluekujaand botserv10:48
mdzBluekuja: that means nothing to people who do not already know what those terms mean :-)10:48
Bluekujamdz: sorry for the desc, I'll fix it as soon as possible :)10:48
mdzBluekuja: the description also needs to be wrapped; it's a single line of hundreds of characters10:49
Bluekujamdz: i work in irc stuff and so I'm really familiar 10:49
Bluekujaok perfect, It will be fixed10:49
Bluekujai'm working right now on eggdrop10:50
Bluekujathat is an irc bot, that supports tcl scripts and c modules10:51
mdzBluekuja: what are you doing with it?10:51
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Bluekujaogra: yeah exactly10:51
mdzogra: submit@bugs.debian.org10:51
ogra:)10:51
Bluekujamdz: :D10:51
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mdzBluekuja: hmm?10:51
Bluekujamdz: i was saying that I'm currently developing some bots10:52
Bluekujaof course related to the irc world10:52
Bluekujai want to provide a lot of packages for universe10:52
mdzBluekuja: I think it would be beneficial to spend more time working with MOTU and others to have your work reviewed and gain more experience with packaging before making unsupervised uploads10:53
mdzBluekuja: I'm sure sfllaw will gladly continue to give you feedback on your work10:53
Keybukmdz++10:53
Bluekujamdz: ok perfect 10:53
mdzBluekuja: ogra always welcomes Edubuntu contributions as well :-)10:54
ogra:)10:54
KeybukI agree; continue working with sfllaw, and work a bit more with the MOTU, and you should gain the necessary experience in no time10:54
sfllawThat he does.10:54
ograindeed ! :)10:54
Bluekujamdz,keybuk: ok great10:55
mdzBluekuja: feel free to contact me if you have any questions or need assistance10:55
mdzBluekuja: and thanks for your work so far10:55
Bluekujamdz: ok, thanks very much, I'll try to gain more experience in this weeks10:56
mdzBluekuja: great!10:56
mdzis there anyone else here who is newly applying for membership in ubuntu-{core-,}dev?10:56
Bluekujamdz: ;) , i have to go now, have a good evening10:56
Bluekujacya guys10:57
highvoltagebye Bluekuja 10:57
ograciao Bluekuja 10:57
mdz\sh is on the agenda, but not here?10:57
ogralooks like 10:57
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mdzok, perhaps at the next meeting then10:57
mdzsiretart: you wanted to discuss backports?10:58
siretartmdz: yes10:58
siretartmdz: first, I wanted to ask if there is currently a problem with -backports10:58
siretartthere hasn't been any request processed since quite some time, jdong told me10:58
mdzsiretart: this proposal sounds familiar10:58
mdzI believe we talked about it before10:59
mdzI support the idea of -core-dev being able to upload new source to backports10:59
Keybukcan core-dev not do that today?10:59
mdzKeybuk: as a matter of policy, to date we have limited backports to syncs10:59
mdzand indeed, diverging source for backports should be avoided as much as is practical10:59
KeybukI guess there's no LP queue for "unapproved backports"10:59
mdzsiretart: when soyuz was first deployed, there was a delay before syncs could be processed, but as far as I know, syncs to backports should be working fine11:00
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mdzsiretart: requests should be made to ubuntu-archive, rather than elmo, though11:00
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LaserJockone thing I've found frustrating was there was at least one package I wanted backported but a couple of the deps had been renamed11:00
mdzsiretart: can you communicate that to jdong?11:00
siretartmdz: well, I imagined 'syncs' to backports arn't really syncs, because they involve fiddling with debian/changelog11:01
siretartmdz: I told him that syncs are now handled via launchpad and ubuntu archive, but I havn't seen him forwarding bugs yet.11:01
mdzsiretart: if there are any outstanding backport requests, they should be filed in Malone and ubuntu-archive subscribed, as  with other archive requests11:01
siretartmdz: I'll tell him again, no problem11:01
siretartok, what about 'manual' uploads of -core-dev's to -backports?11:02
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mdzsiretart: <mdz> I support the idea of -core-dev being able to upload new source to backports11:02
mdzhowever: <mdz> and indeed, diverging source for backports should be avoided as much as is practical11:02
ogradidnt we discuss that in montreal already ?11:03
mjg59I have a vague query about the numbering mentioned in the proposal11:03
mjg59Oh, actually, no I don't11:03
siretartogra: with what result?11:03
mdzsiretart: can you expand on your question about review?11:03
ograsiretart, no idea i just remember a discussion there and mdz saying he'd be ok with core-dev uploading11:04
siretartmdz: well, currently every upload to dapper-updates gets into a 'poket' for manual review, AIUI. do we need that for -backports as well?11:04
siretartI'm not sure, and I tend to believe that we don't11:05
mdzsiretart: given that backports is disabled by default, and therefore opt-in, I don't think the same caution is needed11:05
siretartok11:05
mdzif the only uploads are sync requests from the backports team, or uploads from -core-dev, I'm happy for them to go straight in11:05
siretartok. great11:06
siretartthere is another suggestion. how about opening edgy-backports after edgy's UVF?11:06
siretartduring processing UVF request for dapper, there were quite some requests, which didn't fit for dapper, but for dapper-updates11:06
siretartusers would have been happy if they could have had them there..11:07
mdzsiretart: I have no objection there11:07
siretarts/dapper-updates/dapper-backports/ that is11:07
mdzof course11:07
mdzsiretart: edgy-backports may even appear when edgy opens, though it wouldn't make much sense to upload to it just yet11:08
siretartright. it makes only sense after UVF11:08
mdzsiretart: ping me at UVF if there's any blockage in uploading to edgy-backports11:08
siretartmdz: will do11:09
siretartis dapper-backports already open for uploads?11:09
mdzsiretart: do you think your proposal can be turned into a how-to document for backports?11:09
mdzsiretart: it should be, yes11:10
siretartmdz: I can style that up and rename it to BackportsHowto, no problem11:10
siretartok. great11:10
mdzsiretart: excellent, thanks...presumably you'll talk it over with ubuntu-backporters as well?11:10
mdzsiretart: are the members of that team still active?11:11
siretartmdz: ubuntu backporters is jdong, and mez AFAIK. they both seem to be rather MIA recently.. 11:11
ogramez did an evil upload to universe of an unreviewed package just before dapper release ... so he's still alive at least11:11
Riddellmez is moving house just now11:12
siretartah. ok11:12
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mdzsiretart: thanks for bringing the issue to our attention; I didn't realize there was confusion about how backports requests were to be handled now11:12
mdzsiretart: are all of your questions answered?11:12
siretartI'll apply for ubuntu-backports as well11:12
siretartmdz: all questions answered. thanks!11:13
mdzgreat11:13
mdzany other business from anyone?11:13
ogralets free the room for kubuntu :)11:14
imbrandon;)11:14
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highvoltagegoodnight everyone!11:14
siretartjust a last question - does anyone remember how to apply for ubuntu-backports team?11:14
kmonhi11:14
ograciao highvoltage 11:14
kmondid the meeting started?11:14
mdzsiretart: it seems to be restricted11:14
imbrandonkmon: TB just ending11:14
Lurehi kmon - kubuntu meeting will start soon11:14
kmonoh11:14
mdzsiretart: talk to jdong; it should probably be moderated instead11:15
kmonI've just arrived home11:15
siretartmdz: I'll sort that out with jdong. he seem to irc from time to time..11:15
tomakmon: i just hear from reliable sources, that we will start in a minute11:15
ograhe was here yesterday11:15
mdzsiretart: if you can't get in touch with him or mez to change it, let me know11:15
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siretartok. will do11:15
mdzthanks, everyone11:15
mdzadjourned11:15
ograthanks11:15
pygiLure, anyone applying for membership in kubuntu?11:15
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imbrandonpygi: one person https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Meetings11:15
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Riddellso let's start11:16
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pygiimbrandon, I as well? :)11:16
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Riddellagenda is at https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Meetings11:17
Riddelland kmon has the first item11:17
imbrandonpygi: add your self to the agenda with a link to your wiki page then ;)11:17
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pygiimbrandon, nah, edubuntu one tommorow11:18
pygiDon't wanna bother people with 2 thingies :)11:18
kmonok, my first point is an idea to centralise unofficial packages for kubuntu dapper11:18
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kmonand to do it in a way to avoid replication11:18
claydohclaydoh is Clay Weber11:18
RiddellI think this is handled by the last item at the tech board11:18
Riddelland new packages should be in backports11:18
kmonmaybe give uploading priviledges to people in kubuntu.de to kubuntu.org11:18
kmonok11:19
Riddellwhat's on kubuntu.de at the moment?11:19
Tonio_I wanted to say the same Riddell11:19
LureRiddell: so kde, amarok will go to backports soon?11:19
kmonamarok which is a duplicate11:19
Tonio_we don't really make usage of backports repository...11:19
kmonkaffeine 0.811:19
kmonwhich is new11:19
pygiTonio_, we can make Kubuntu backports team11:19
kmonk3b11:19
kmonand other few11:19
toma(rsibreak)11:19
imbrandonkmon: yea centralized in -backports, kubuntu.org is more for early adopters and testers that know whats going on11:20
Tonio_imbrandon: I agree11:20
Riddellwe can't backport things until edgy is open so that's made a gap, but the tech board was saying that edgy-backports will be open as soon as edgy closes for upstream version freeze11:20
pygiRiddell, indeed11:20
Tonio_Riddell: good news11:20
HobbseeRiddell: when is UVF for edgy11:20
RiddellI did try to backport all of KDE but backports was broken at the time so it never happened11:20
tomagood11:20
RiddellHobbsee: timetable will be set at the paris summit11:21
Hobbseethat's what i thought11:21
linuxmonkeycool11:21
ograwe might not have UVF in edgy :)11:21
kmonand how about giving priviledges to upload to the kubuntu.org package archive?11:21
Tonio_Riddell: I think there was an issue with breezy-backports11:21
Tonio_since packages don't have to be changed from the +1 version and the change to debhelper511:21
pygiogra, that would be joy :)11:21
Riddellkmon: I can't do that, it's a canonical server11:21
kmonok11:22
Riddellkmon: but the packages on kubuntu.org are KDE and KDE projects only to get the KDE developers liking kubuntu11:22
ograpygi, its an official proposal so it might be discussed 11:22
Tonio_that will not happen with dapper/edgy so make usage of backports should be easier11:22
imbrandonkmon: or maybe not package archive as they are currently signed with Riddell key but as Hobbsee said people.kubuntu.org/~imbrandon/ etc 11:22
pygiogra, we would get more uptodate packages, but lot less bugfixes11:22
Riddellimbrandon: wait for that agenda item :)11:23
Hobbseeimbrandon: apparently that's cannonical staff only...11:23
ograpygi, thats the plan (but OT in here now)11:23
kmonthen maybe a wiki page or something like that so people can coordinate efforts and avoid duplication11:23
kmonand for users to have a single point to check out for newver software11:23
kmonsince dapper is going to be here for a long time11:23
imbrandonkmon: that sounds alot more feasable , so kubuntu.org and kubuntu.de can work togather11:23
Riddellkmon: backports is that point11:23
kmonok11:24
imbrandonkmon: but also kubuntu.org IS unofficial repos , thus only ealy adopters untill it hits backports11:24
Hobbseeand Czessi.net, for that matter11:24
kmonso the answer is wait for backports?11:24
Lurekmon: I think it is clear now: kubuntu.org is primarily for KDE releases (same day as announcement), while backports is when those are ready for wider testers11:25
imbrandonbasicly , yes , think of kubuntu.org repos as pre-backports ;)11:25
Tonio_Riddell: is mez still responsible for the backports ?11:25
kmonthen can I suggest a kaffeine package in kubuntu.org?11:25
RiddellTonio_: yes, and jdong, but at tech board just now other people said they'd sign up to it11:25
Lurekmon: I think we need more a wiki page for latest-and-greatest releases so that not 5 people package kopete11:25
kmonLure: that's my main point11:26
HobbseeLure: hehe.  i think i only counted 411:26
Riddellkmon: kaffeine always has bugs in its releases11:26
Lurebut when package is ready, Riddell can put it on kubuntu.org11:26
Tonio_Riddell: would be interesting to have one of the backports maintainers here for next meetings, to get technical informations, and policy informations too11:26
imbrandonLure: kmon , thats some of what nixternal linuxmonkey and me are trying to do with the current wiki and buntudot.org ( orginise the kubuntu related stuff )11:27
Hobbseealso, are these packages to go on kubuntu.org going to be put thru the same QA as the stuff to go into the repos?11:27
RiddellTonio_: policy is any package in edgy archive that compiles in dapper can be backported I think11:27
LureTonio_: there will be wiki howto for backports (done by siretart)11:27
Tonio_Riddell: no modifications allowed I presume ?11:27
LureTonio_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReinhardTartler/BackportsProposal is what was discussed today on TB11:27
Tonio_Lure: thanks ;) I missed this TB.....11:28
RiddellTonio_: yes (although looking at tech board discussion that may change in limited cases)11:28
RiddellHobbsee: that's why I don't want lots of packages on there11:28
Tonio_okay11:28
Hobbseemmm ok11:28
RiddellHobbsee: does this cover your next agenda item too?11:29
HobbseeRiddell: i think so11:29
Riddellany more questions on the topic?11:29
Riddellkmon: your item, wiki pages11:29
kmonok, me again11:29
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kmonthe wiki is messy11:29
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kmonkubuntu wiki page is full of pages about everything11:30
kmonhelping users, packaging, testing11:30
imbrandonkmon , thats some of what nixternal linuxmonkey and me are trying to do with the current wiki and buntudot.org ( make the kubuntu related stuff pretty )11:30
imbrandoninstead of mixed with ubuntu that gets confusing11:30
imbrandonto new users11:30
linuxmonkey:)11:30
kmonimbrandon: interesting11:31
Riddellkmon: how would you like the "Kubuntu" page to be?11:31
imbrandonyes the current wiki needs cleaned up and i do think there should be a kubuntu-wiki team11:31
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linuxmonkeyAlot of stuff in wiki is version specific, what I think we  want to do is take all the kubuntu stuff and make it simple for users to find/use11:31
kmonMore like ubuntu front page11:31
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Hobbseeimbrandon: you've misspelled cannonical.11:32
nixternallol11:32
kmonmore organised11:32
imbrandonwhoops , i'll fix it after the meeting11:32
Riddellsounds like we have a number of people interested in helping :)11:32
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Hobbseeimbrandon: in fact, just generally proofread it - i saw two errors in one line :P11:32
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imbrandonthere is only one line currently ;)11:33
Lurein general it would be good to separate User stuff from Community/Developers stuff11:33
kmonLure: yes11:33
nixternali have aided with documentation in the form of reviews, articles, and how-to's for various sites over the past years...writing is a hobby and somethine i enjoy..only tech writing though ;)11:33
linuxmonkeyeven if there are parts of the wiki that are not DM specific, the sections that do have DM specific stuff should be kept seperate as users get confused11:34
Lureand inside that have version specific stuff that can get easily hidden (not linked) when new release is out11:34
RiddellDM?11:34
HobbseeRiddell: display manager, i think11:34
linuxmonkeymy bad11:34
linuxmonkeyyea11:34
kmonit should be DE :P11:34
goldenearAlso it may be nice to organize the pages function of the user skill (eg beginer pages, advanced user pages, administrator pages, dev pages)11:35
linuxmonkeymeaning KDE/Gnome etc..11:35
Riddellkmon, imbrandon, nixternal, linuxmonkey and goldenear should chat about this when they can and work out how to tidy the wiki pages11:35
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Riddellthere's lots of things on there that are now obsolete or need updating11:35
Lurecan somebody write a spec what should be done - otherwise it will be hard to allign the efforts of many people...11:35
kmonRiddell: yes11:35
Hobbseeas is the case with a lof of wiki pages, of course11:35
imbrandonsure Lure11:35
tomabut i would not like to see a split to buntudot.org that would not help any user11:35
RiddellI think it just needs going over all the pages and working out which ones need to be linked from the Kubuntu page and in what sane order11:35
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kmonand maybe talk to the ubuntu documentation team and ask for help11:36
imbrandontoma no not split thats a whole diffrent ball game11:36
tomaoki11:36
Riddellshall we move on?11:37
RiddellHobbsee: your item11:37
imbrandonmore clean up the current wiki and make sure there is kubuntu instructions for everything, as currently there is mostly only gnome specific stuff and screen shots etc11:37
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linuxmonkeylol11:37
HobbseeIs it possible to get upload space or something on kubuntu.org? eg, kubuntu.org/people/~hobbsee? Would it be useful? Who would we give it to?11:37
Hobbseealthough i heard later that that's cannonical people only...11:37
=== linuxmonkey hands Hobbsee a pillow, there's your item
Riddellshort anwer is no, canonical doesn't give out server space to non-employees11:38
LureI heard that new LP will have private repos - but not sure for whom...11:38
Hobbseeis there some sort of equivalent place that we can upload to, or just use REVU, and say "do not review"?11:38
Riddelland people.ubuntu.com is badly named, it was named before ubuntu was public11:38
Riddellhowever if you read daniel silverstone's interview on behindubuntu you'll see they're planning personal archives on launchpad11:38
Riddellso you can upload your source packages and they'll get compiled (at low priority) and put into your personal archive11:39
kmonthen we need another kde employeed :P11:39
tomaok11:39
imbrandonHobbsee: for the time being i can give you server space on my server and a shell account if thats what your needing atm 11:39
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kmons/kde/kde dev11:39
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Hobbseehehe, cool11:39
Tonio_Lure: hehe11:39
Riddellalso the supermirror may one day actually happen and at that time you can push your bzr source archives onto it11:39
imbrandonnice11:40
Hobbseecool, okay11:40
tomacertificate11:40
imbrandonthat would be good considering then they could be compiled for more than i386 or whatever is used by the dev11:40
imbrandonlike sf.net compilefarm11:40
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Hobbseecertificate...mmm...please someone fix it...11:40
Riddellin the mean time ask around and probably somebody can give you an account on their server11:40
HobbseeRiddell: okay11:41
RiddellI put in a request to sysadmin to fix the certificate11:41
Riddellno reply yet11:41
imbrandonHobbsee: after the meeting pm me and i'll set ya up11:41
HobbseeRiddell: excellent!11:41
Hobbseemy upload limit is pretty slow anywya, but thanks11:41
Riddellyou could try very gently asking one of the sysadmins but I suspect it's low priority for them11:41
Hobbseewell yeah11:41
LureRiddell: I doubt it will be easy fix - our IT has same problems with certificates ;-)11:41
Riddell"now that we're between releases"  releases don't really affect it11:42
Riddelltoma: your item11:42
tomaanyone using keytouch? I installed it a couple of days ago and was impressed. It just works. (see my blog) Sime approached me and mentioned that it could go into guidance when I adjust it. I wanted to know your opinions11:42
Riddellwhat is it?11:42
tomai contacted upstream and he is very helpfull 11:42
kmontoma: can you give a link to the blog?11:43
tomait is an app to make your multi media keys work11:43
imbrandonyes i've used / using keytouch right now, its a very nice piece of soft11:43
imbrandonvery clean11:43
Tonio_toma: very interesting :)11:43
Riddellhow does it work?11:43
linuxmonkeyurl? cause i'll want to get that11:43
tomakmon: http://www.omat.nl/drupal/?q=node/7911:43
kmontoma: oh, nevermind. I remeber reading that on the planet11:43
Riddellit may be interesting for https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuLaptopButtons11:43
tomaRiddell: i believe it works with a kernel module and a daemon, but i have to look into that. Not sure about the module11:44
imbrandonthe nice thing about it is keyboards that arent supported out of the box are trivial to add 11:44
LureRiddell: can be, but we want something more hardcoded for Ubuntu laptop keycodes11:44
tomait has a separate gui, so easily fits in guidance.11:44
Riddelltoma: I'll take a look at it and we'll consider it at the Paris summit for that spec11:44
tomaimbrandon: indeed11:44
tomamaking unsupported keyboards work is easy11:45
linuxmonkeythats a good thing11:45
LureRiddell: it more fixes the problem of X keyboard layouts not being updated fast enough11:45
Riddellkernel module sounds a bit scary though11:45
pygiRiddell, if anybody is interested in implementing that Guidance for Grub, I am willing to provide assistance11:45
pygi(me is sorry for interupting)11:45
Riddelltoma: your item again11:46
tomaRiddell: ok. The current kde interface is bad imho. and if you have an unsupported kayboard, you have to make your own mapping somewhere in X. 11:46
Tonio_toma: as long as the kernel recognises the keys, which doesn't work on my vaio....11:46
tomathat is scary ;-)11:46
tomaTonio_: not sure.11:46
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Tonio_Riddell: I was thinking to do it :) I bought it yesterday, so gimme a moment plz ;)11:47
tomaTonio_: we need to check later, ok?11:47
Tonio_toma: sure ;)11:47
LureTonio_: your vaio should be suppported by hotkey-setup11:47
tomamy next item was pretty good described in the wiki. 11:47
Lureand kernel driver11:47
tomai really have had it with all those mediaplayers11:47
Riddell"Instead of having totem/xine/codeine/kmplayer & kaffeine"11:48
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tomawhy don't we ship 1 which works11:48
tomaand the rest optional11:48
Tonio_Lure: I use fsfn + sonypi but we'll discuss this later :)11:48
imbrandonafaik kaffeine is the only kubuntu default11:48
Riddellbecause none work in all situations?11:48
Riddellimbrandon: we ship kaffeine, kmplayer and amarok11:48
Riddellif we removed amarok we'd be lynched11:48
tomabecause its confusing imho11:48
HobbseeRiddell: sure about kmplayer?11:48
imbrandonwhat does kmplayer do that kaffeine dosent ?11:49
Riddelland kmplayer is plugin only, which we added because kaffeine plugin is unstable11:49
imbrandonand kmplay i dont think is dafualt11:49
=== Hobbsee doesnt seem to have kmplayer in her kmenu
imbrandonahh11:49
Lureimbrandon: does not crash konqueror11:49
Hobbseeoh11:49
Riddellwe don't install the kmplayer app by default11:49
Tonio_Riddell: I would vote for kmplayer only since it's only default is the UI which is in the work actually11:49
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tomabesides deciding which app, would we go with that scenario?11:49
goldenearI'm currently with koos on the successor of kmplayer named oskar11:49
Riddelltoma: which scenario?11:50
Tonio_toma: I personnaly don't like audio/video players11:50
Riddellgoldenear: what's that all about?11:50
Tonio_I like when they are separate11:50
tomaRiddell: ship one which works11:50
Tonio_toma: since the needs are different between audio and video11:50
Riddelltoma: sure, when you make one that works 11:50
LureTonio_: +111:50
linuxmonkeyTonio_: your like me I run XMMS for audio and something else for video11:50
imbrandonor ship the best one and fix it ;)11:50
kmonTonio_: and amarok is the best audio app out there11:51
tomawe can work closely with upstream to make it do what we want11:51
goldenearoskar will be the nex version of kmplayer... it's intented to have all the power of kmplayer (and the nice embedded feature) but also a much better UI for the standalone player11:51
Tonio_toma: but I agree it is not very nice to ship a standalone player and another for the konqueror part.........11:51
Tonio_this should be one only application11:51
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Riddellgoldenear: that sounds lovely11:51
LureTonio_: can we configure kaffeine to use kmplayer kpart ;-)11:51
tomaTonio_: yes, and one for audio and one for video is of course fine11:51
Tonio_the problem is that kaffeine-part may never work correctly11:52
goldenearAlso koos would need some help from an experienced kde dev11:52
tomagoldenear: why? he is one11:52
claydohI like kmplayer, as its plugin works for konq, for one thing11:52
Riddellkoos is an experienced kde dev!11:52
Riddellinteresting question for edgy will be the xine/gstreamer debate again11:53
Tonio_since according to upstream the crash is due to konqueror, so he doesn't want to go the way kmplayer does (playing in a separate xsession and binding the video output to the konqueror window)11:53
goldenearbut he would need help to work on the "cosmetic" on the UI11:53
tomagoldenear: did he say that?11:53
goldenear(I'm speaking about kmplayer)11:53
goldenearYes, I had a discussion with koos on the irc11:54
LureTonio_: but kmplayer's way is just better imho anyhow11:54
goldenearwe spoke about some improvement needed for the kmplayer standalone player11:54
Tonio_Lure: I agree, but kaffeine's upstream doesn't want to make it work that way........11:54
goldenearalso we chose a new name for the project: oskar11:54
Riddellkmplayer does get very confusing11:55
Riddellas a name11:55
Tonio_Lure: btw, kaffeine is now becoming a mess with those audio features that dupplicate amarok/konqueror/kaudiocreator11:55
goldenearkmplayer sounds too much like a mplayer frontend only. (kmplayer can also use xine, gstreamer... and soon phonon :) )11:55
Riddellgoldenear: what is Koos' IRC nick?11:55
Tonio_Riddell: the name is gonna change to oskar11:55
goldenearRiddell: koos11:55
imbrandonyea it would be nice to look at just oskar for edgy11:55
Riddelldon't think I've seen him on IRC11:55
tomame neither11:56
Tonio_imbrandon: I would agree with this approach11:56
linuxmonkeyyeah imbrandon i agree with that too11:56
toma++11:56
Lure++11:56
goldenearhere is a mockup for oskar I've done : http://goldenear.online.fr/oskar/oskar_mockup.jpg11:56
imbrandonwell oskar ++ amarok ;)11:56
Riddellif oskar is ready in time for edgy it sounds like a good candidate replacement for kaffeine11:57
Tonio_Riddell: true ;)11:57
goldenearalso the playlist an the left is ugly (but it's how it currently looks)11:57
tomaelse kmplayer?11:57
Riddellgoldenear: arg!  multiple level trees!11:57
HobbseeRiddell: dont you just love them?  *ducks*11:57
goldenearRiddell: the playlist is ugly and will be change... 11:57
Tonio_Riddell: yes, the UI really needs polishing :)11:57
goldenearthis is juste a mockup made from different screenshots11:58
Riddellmaybe we can get ellen to come up with good interface at Paris11:58
tomayes11:58
tomagood idea11:58
Riddellok, I'll make a spec for that and we'll see what comes of it11:58
Tonio_Riddell: kaffeine could give ideas ! it's UI is really nice (the problem is behind ^^)11:58
imbrandonwhom is the main dev on amarok ?11:58
tomaRiddell: else i can ask Tina to help us11:58
kmontalking about paris... are the kde people invited to go to paris involved in writting specs now11:58
goldenearIf somebody could work with koos on the interface (especialy for adding the left sidebar) it would be great :)11:59
Riddellkmon: I'll send out an e-mail to them11:59
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kmonRiddell: their responses could be a nice inclusion in next ubuntu newsletter ;)11:59
Riddellso, talking of specs, the ones I have so far are listed at https://launchpad.net/people/jr/+specs11:59
Riddellall the "Undefined" ones12:00
Riddellplease add any comments you have to their wiki pages12:00
Riddelland did everyone read the first ubuntu newsletter?12:00
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Hobbseewhat was in it?12:01
=== kmon did
imbrandonwhat mailing list ?12:01
Riddellubuntu-news12:01
LureHobbsee: Kubuntu section ;-)12:01
imbrandoni get 3k messages a day so i WILL read it but not as of yet12:01
HobbseeLure: i remember that much - just not what was in it :P12:01
goldenearI would also add Kubuntu ACPI12:01
nixternalimbrandon...bugs?12:01
Riddellgoldenear: covered by laptop-buttons and power-management12:01
LureHobbsee: just release announcement and paris KDE invited devell12:02
Hobbseeoh that's right...12:02
Riddellif you have items for the next newsletter please add them to the wiki page12:02
Riddellok, do we have any member candidates here?12:02
goldenearEdgy would need good ACPI support not only for laptops... I would like to be able to suspend my *desktop* computer too (Gnome can do it)12:02
tomalinuxmonkey: PING you are now!12:03
Tonio_goldenear: isn't kpowersave able to do that ?12:03
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Luregoldenear: your problem is that klaptop is too smart and then too dumb - it does /proc/acpi reading and assumes laptops - it should use hal12:03
LureTonio_: powersave may help, but then it will not use Ubuntu base.... :-(12:04
Hobbseelinuxmonkey: i dont think you're supposed to admit that you were asleep12:04
linuxmonkeyHi my name is Terry Jacob and I want to apply to membership as to be able to work with a great bunch of people and become more dedicated to kubuntu12:04
goldenearI already explained that on the devel channel: kpowersave can suspend my computer... but the computer then hangs during wake-up :(12:04
Tonio_Lure: yes I know that..........12:04

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