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[01:17] 4AM? [01:17] heh [01:17] yeah [01:27] ajmitch: I will be about 30min late tonight, could you perhaps mdz tell to delay my backports point until then? [01:27] siretart: if I'm up in time for the meeting [01:27] it's at 8AM for me, I'll try & make it [01:28] ajmitch: oh, then never mind [01:28] ah, he is here, I can tell him myself :P [01:29] mdz: re the point I set on the agenda: I won't make it on time, I'll be late about 30mins, but I will definitly try to attend. It would be great if this point could be a bit delayed. === Bluekuja [n=andrea@ubuntu/member/bluekuja] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Klaidas [n=klaidas@unaffiliated/klaidas] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === GNAM [n=fl4sh@host199-235.pool8252.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [03:03] @schedule ROme [03:03] Schedule for Europe/Rome: 06 Jun 22:00: Technical Board | 06 Jun 23:00: Kubuntu | 07 Jun 15:30: Xubuntu | 07 Jun 22:00: Edubuntu | 08 Jun 10:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 14 Jun 14:00: Edubuntu === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === theoddon1 [n=hgibson@hgibson.ee.sun.ac.za] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === theoddon1 [n=hgibson@hgibson.ee.sun.ac.za] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] [03:23] schedule VIlnius [03:24] oops [03:24] @schedule VIlnius [03:24] Schedule for Europe/Vilnius: 06 Jun 23:00: Technical Board | 07 Jun 00:00: Kubuntu | 07 Jun 16:30: Xubuntu | 07 Jun 23:00: Edubuntu | 08 Jun 11:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 14 Jun 15:00: Edubuntu === jenda wonders if lithuanian also uses [03:25] they do :) === lucas [n=lucas@ubuntu/member/lucas] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [03:34] @schedule prague [03:34] Schedule for Europe/Prague: 06 Jun 22:00: Technical Board | 06 Jun 23:00: Kubuntu | 07 Jun 15:30: Xubuntu | 07 Jun 22:00: Edubuntu | 08 Jun 10:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 14 Jun 14:00: Edubuntu [03:34] Ah... beautiful. === dholbach_ [n=daniel@i577B3447.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === rikai [n=kitty@pool-72-65-97-118.ptldme.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === rikai [n=kitty@pool-72-65-97-118.ptldme.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === licio [n=licio@ubuntu/member/licio] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === zul [n=chuck@ubuntu/member/zul] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === lucas [n=lucas@ubuntu/member/lucas] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Klaidas [n=klaidas@unaffiliated/klaidas] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] === ealden_ [n=ealden@203.76.211.96] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === rikai [n=kitty@pool-72-65-106-217.ptldme.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === j_ack [n=nico@p508DBE68.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === rikai [n=kitty@pool-72-65-104-74.ptldme.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === jarufe [n=jarufe@200.104.140.155] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === fabbione [i=fabbione@gordian.fabbione.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Fracture [n=Fracture@dsl-202-173-191-84.qld.westnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === highvoltage [n=jono@mtngprs7.mtn.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [05:37] @scehdule Montreal [05:37] @schedule Montreal [05:37] Schedule for America/Montreal: 06 Jun 16:00: Technical Board | 06 Jun 17:00: Kubuntu | 07 Jun 09:30: Xubuntu | 07 Jun 16:00: Edubuntu | 08 Jun 04:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 14 Jun 08:00: Edubuntu === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === mako__ [i=mako@bork.hampshire.edu] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === ealden [n=ealden@203.76.211.81] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Hirion [n=hirion@draugr.de] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] === cassidy [n=gdesmott@di-pc66.ulb.ac.be] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === mvo [n=egon@p54A66E99.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === j_ack [n=nico@p508DBE68.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === mako [i=mako@bork.hampshire.edu] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === dsas [n=dean@host86-129-9-209.range86-129.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === lucas [n=lucas@ubuntu/member/lucas] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === olive [n=olive@pigeon.moostik.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === dholbach [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/dholbach] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === pips1 [n=philipp_@44.9.62.81.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === phanatic [n=phanatic@ubuntu/member/phanatic] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Beineri [n=Beineri@kde/binner] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [08:11] @schedule Europe/Paris [08:11] Schedule for Europe/Paris: 06 Jun 22:00: Technical Board | 06 Jun 23:00: Kubuntu | 07 Jun 15:30: Xubuntu | 07 Jun 22:00: Edubuntu | 08 Jun 10:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 14 Jun 14:00: Edubuntu === lbm [n=lbm@0x555298ca.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [08:25] @schedule US/EDT [08:25] @schedule US/Eastern [08:25] Schedule for US/Eastern: 06 Jun 16:00: Technical Board | 06 Jun 17:00: Kubuntu | 07 Jun 09:30: Xubuntu | 07 Jun 16:00: Edubuntu | 08 Jun 04:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 14 Jun 08:00: Edubuntu [08:25] what's the technical board for again? [08:25] technical discussion :) === highvoltage is staying up for tonight's meeting [08:30] that makes a crazt anount of sense. ;) === Wesselaar [n=jan@i230149.upc-i.chello.nl] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Wesselaar [n=jan@i230149.upc-i.chello.nl] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] [08:43] @schedule US/Central kubuntu [08:43] @schedule US/Central [08:43] Schedule for US/Central: 06 Jun 15:00: Technical Board | 06 Jun 16:00: Kubuntu | 07 Jun 08:30: Xubuntu | 07 Jun 15:00: Edubuntu | 08 Jun 03:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 14 Jun 07:00: Edubuntu === Klaidas [n=klaidas@unaffiliated/klaidas] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [08:59] @schedule Vilnius [08:59] Schedule for Europe/Vilnius: 06 Jun 23:00: Technical Board | 07 Jun 00:00: Kubuntu | 07 Jun 16:30: Xubuntu | 07 Jun 23:00: Edubuntu | 08 Jun 11:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 14 Jun 15:00: Edubuntu [08:59] @now [08:59] Current time in Etc/UTC: June 06 2006, 18:59:51 - Next meeting: Technical Board in 1 hours [09:00] ok, I have some time to take a shower [09:06] @schedule taipei [09:06] Schedule for Asia/Taipei: 07 Jun 04:00: Technical Board | 07 Jun 05:00: Kubuntu | 07 Jun 21:30: Xubuntu | 08 Jun 04:00: Edubuntu | 08 Jun 16:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 14 Jun 20:00: Edubuntu === j_ack [n=nico@p508DBE68.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-052-233.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === dinagef [n=fred@82-42-225-31.stb.ubr06.live.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === teckfatt [n=teckfatt@ACCA952D.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [09:22] Sorry I'm late... [09:22] meeting hasnt started yet [09:22] Ah, thanks. [09:23] Is Stephan on? [09:23] @now [09:23] @schedule Johannesburg [09:23] Current time in Etc/UTC: June 06 2006, 19:23:46 - Next meeting: Technical Board in 36 minutes [09:23] Schedule for Africa/Johannesburg: 06 Jun 22:00: Technical Board | 06 Jun 23:00: Kubuntu | 07 Jun 15:30: Xubuntu | 07 Jun 22:00: Edubuntu | 08 Jun 10:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 14 Jun 14:00: Edubuntu [09:24] What time does this kick off? [09:27] 30 minutes or so for the TB meeting [09:27] ? [09:27] Yay! [09:27] FUCKING PISSFLAPS! UBUNTU R0X0RS! [09:27] dinagef: just type @now and/or @schedule while in this chan to find out later === gruvby [i=gruvby@eyeoftruth.be] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [09:29] Seveas: heh anyway to keep him quiet durring the meeting , looks like it might be a problem ..... ( dinagef n=fred 82-42-225-31.stb.ubr06.live.blueyonder.co.uk * Fred Dinage ) === jenda [n=jenda@unaffiliated/jenda] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [09:31] imbrandon, yes there is [09:32] ;) === pygi [n=pygi@83-131-249-98.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === ericz [n=ericz@ip70-174-127-4.hr.hr.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Hirion [n=hirion@draugr.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === ..[topic/#ubuntu-meeting:Ubugtu] : Current meeting: Technical Board | Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 06 Jun 21:00 UTC: Kubuntu | 07 Jun 13:30 UTC: Xubuntu | 07 Jun 20:00 UTC: Edubuntu | 08 Jun 08:00 UTC: Ubuntu Development Team | 14 Jun 12:00 UTC: Edubuntu === claydoh [n=clay@bb-66-63-100-239.gwi.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Keybuk [n=scott@quest.netsplit.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Keybuk takes a typing break === crimsun [i=crimsun@pdpc/supporter/silver/crimsun] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === teckfatt [n=teckfatt@ACCA952D.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === bddebian [n=bdefrees@mail.ottens.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [09:58] Hey folks [09:58] morning [09:58] hello mdz,bddebian [09:58] hey [09:58] mdz: morning [09:58] Morning? It's 4:00pm ;-) [09:58] Evening [09:58] somewhere [09:58] Hi Bluekuja [09:59] 9pm at UK [09:59] hey hey Andrea [09:59] Keybuk: ping [09:59] hi bddebian, mdz, Bluekuja, ogra, mjg59, teckfatt and pygi :) [09:59] Heh, hi highvoltage [09:59] pygi: hello mario :) [09:59] danger, danger! [09:59] heh, hey highvoltage === ogra ducks [09:59] highvoltage: hello jon :) [09:59] mdz, nuclear power plant is exploding? :) [09:59] (instinctively) [09:59] highvoltage: hello [10:00] danger will robinson ?!? [10:00] bddebian, you came ;) [10:00] watchout radioactive man the sun is exploding again! [10:00] pygi: Yeah, I figure what the he** :-) [10:01] All they can do is laugh at me :-) [10:01] crimsun: here? [10:01] mdz: yes [10:01] I think you're first on the agenda [10:01] welcome, all, etc. let's get started ;-) [10:02] crimsun: so you're applying for -core-dev? [10:02] mdz: yup [10:02] oh ? you arent already ? [10:02] mdz: yes. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DanielTChen (top section) has some words on what I'd like to do for main. [10:03] Crimsun wasn't already? === ogra thought with all the alsa fixes that wouldnt be possible to do through a sponsor [10:03] Guys? Could we have a litle less background chatter? [10:03] Sorry [10:03] It makes it trickier to pick out the important stuff [10:03] crimsun: so you plan to implement this troubleshooting tool? [10:04] mdz: yes, but certainly not alone [10:04] mdz: there are a fair number of clueful people who can assist, and I value their contributions (trappist and dolson come to mind) [10:04] crimsun: it seems to me that it would be sensible to incorporate additional troubleshooting functionality into ogra's hwdb-client rather than add a new tool === jpatrick [n=patrick@ubuntu/member/jpatrick] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === tristanmike [n=tristanm@blk-224-253-165.eastlink.ca] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === linuxmonkey [n=linuxmon@unaffiliated/LinuxMonkey] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [10:05] mdz: point taken, given that hwdb-client already has the needed info [10:05] which should see a (partial) rewrite anyway (and if only for front/backend splitting to make kde happy) [10:05] crimsun: You'd be happy with that? [10:05] crimsun: and a primitive audio test [10:05] ogra: yes, and hopefully for Xfce, too? === kermitX_ [n=kermit@unaffiliated/cxg] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [10:06] crimsun, yeah [10:06] mjg59: avoiding unnecessary code duplication? very much so. [10:06] crimsun: Has your MOTU work included much packaging? [10:06] https://launchpad.net/people/crimsun/+packages [10:06] mjg59: of new source packages? not terribly much is in the archives. I've done mostly maintenance work, though I'm fairly familiar with packaging. [10:07] Ok, yeah, good point [10:07] mjg59: crimsun is a regular contributor to our kernel tree as well, if I'm not mistaken [10:07] crimsun: My only vague concern is that working in main may involve you doing more packaging from scratch [10:07] But my experience of your work is that you're sufficiently responsible that I doubt that would cause any sort of problems [10:08] mjg59: I'm quite comfortable with packaging from scratch, as I'm pretty active in assisting others in #-motu [10:08] crimsun: Ok, sounds good [10:08] crimsun: was it the development of this troubleshooting tool which motivated you to apply for upload rights to main? [10:08] or anything else additionally? [10:08] mdz: He is, and he's been invaluable in helping us keep track with upstream alsa === imbrandon can definately vouch for crimsun helping new packagers in #-motu [10:08] mdz: to be honest, it was moreso to avoid having to ask pitti to upload alsa* changes [10:09] I was about to say, crimsun is one of the rare people who seems to not mind touching ALSA [10:09] Our sound support would be much worse otherwise [10:10] I don't think I've got any more questions. You guys? [10:10] Keybuk: any questions for crimsun before voting? [10:10] I have no questions [10:11] votes? [10:11] +1 [10:11] +1 and hearty thanks for your contributions to date [10:11] +1 [10:11] thank you very much, and I look forward to making post-6.06 LTS rock even harder :) [10:11] congratulations, crimsun! [10:11] crimsun: Congrats! [10:11] crimsun: congratulations and welcome === ogra applauds crimsun ecstatically [10:11] crimsun: yay! [10:12] crimsun: congrats [10:12] Who's up next? [10:12] whohoo! [10:12] congrats [10:12] w00t crimsun [10:12] congrats crimsun ;) [10:12] bddebian, I believe? [10:12] mjg59: Its me for dev [10:12] is JAMIL AHMED present? [10:12] congratulations, crimsun! :) [10:12] mdz: he isn't a member of -dev yet [10:12] Keybuk: indeed [10:12] so needs a dholbach love letter [10:12] dholbach: have you contacted him? [10:13] Bluekuja: indeed, it appears you are next [10:13] mdz, bddebian ? [10:13] ogra: ? [10:13] mdz: I contacted all of them, but not my-sweet-leader and bluekuja (they're still in my inbox) [10:13] bddebian, you are on the Applied for membership list for core-dev [10:14] ogra: Aye, just waiting my turn :-) [10:14] bddebian: oh, you applied before the previous meeting [10:14] mdz: we didn't have a TB meeting two weeks ago, so bddebian didn't get processed [10:14] right-o [10:14] so bddebian has actually applied since the last TB meeting that took place [10:14] bddebian: in that case you are next [10:15] OK. Well I don't have as fancy of a wiki as crimsun :-) [10:15] In fact mine is severely out of date [10:15] bddebian: indeed, your wiki link from launchpad is broken :-) [10:15] It is? [10:15] Hmm [10:15] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BarrydeFreese [10:16] it links to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bddebian [10:16] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BddebianIsAGod ? [10:16] which does not exist [10:16] however, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BddebianIsAGod does [10:16] Scary [10:16] lol === Laser_away [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [10:16] bddebian: what has motivated you to apply for -core-dev? [10:17] Several things but probably the largest is bug fixes for some of the "less loved" packages [10:17] I was hoping to help out with X but I don't think that is going to be feasable [10:17] do you have particular bug fixes in mind? [10:17] Anything and everything I can get my hands on [10:18] bddebian: do you have any specific goals or areas where you plan to work? [10:18] What I run into a lot of times are small bug fixes (ie kscd) that I have fixes for [10:18] bddebian: Which less loves packages do you think are currently in main, and do you have your eye on any in particular? [10:19] This is going to sound cheesy, but no. I kind of like hitting all the packages that don't see a great deal of attention. Kind of the Ubuntu QA Group :-) [10:19] bddebian: have you been making patches for those fixes and attaching them to the bug in Malone? [10:19] Yes [10:19] do you have any examples? [10:19] bddebian: have you made uploads to main through a sponsor? === _claydoh [n=clay@bb-66-63-100-239.gwi.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [10:20] Ack, what is up with LP [10:21] https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kscd/+bug/37963 [10:21] Malone bug 37963 in kscd "[patch] song title partially hidden" [Normal,Confirmed] [10:21] https://launchpad.net/people/bddebian/+packages [10:22] mdz: I'm not sure I can say that "officially", no [10:23] bddebian: what do you mean? [10:23] I mean I don't know that someone officially sponsered a main upload for me === rddp [n=rddp@80-42-147-101.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [10:24] bddebian: so to date, you haven't had cause to upload a package to main? [10:24] Other than bugfixes, no [10:25] bddebian: How do you think core-dev membership would significantly increase your workflow? [10:26] Well one of the things that I find frustrating is having to bother people for simple fixes for things. Let me clarify this a little. [10:26] bddebian: if you have contributions to make to main, the first logical step would be to have them reviewed and uploaded by an existing -core-dev member [10:26] bddebian: a lot of your changes so far have been relatively minor bug fixes. core-dev often involves quite major changes to packages, or even packaging new software. Do you have any examples of packages you created from scratch, or patches you've written for particularly deep bugs in the source? [10:27] mdz: That would be provided I could find someone with the time [10:27] bddebian: has that been a problem for you in the past? [10:27] bddebian: As we've seen, other people appear to manage this [10:28] mdz: Yes [10:28] mjg59: Aye and maybe I just irritate people I don't know. I've tried to understand that [10:28] bddebian: Ok. It would be good to hear from people who've reviewed your patches to stuff in main [10:28] Keybuk: Probably not significantly enough no [10:29] bddebian: have you approached someone for assistance with an upload and been declined? [10:30] mdz: No, not outright that I can think of [10:31] Well it appears that we are wasting peoples time, so no worries, I can try harder for Edgy I suppose. [10:32] bddebian: I think that a good first step would be to work with someone to review and upload your packages to main. If you need help in finding someone, I can help with that [10:33] bddebian: What would help a great deal is having people who are willing to comment on the quality of your work so far in main [10:33] mjg59: Well to Keybuk's point, I suppose none of them have been significant enough. [10:33] bddebian: you have made a substantial contribution to universe and that is appreciated, but it would be best to start working in main before applying for direct upload rights === Hirion [n=hirion@draugr.de] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] [10:34] indeed, I'd like to second mdz's comment that your work in universe is very much appreciated! keep it up [10:35] Is there any chance of at least getting a Universe archive admin so we don't have to bother core-devs with syncs and removals? [10:35] bddebian: if you have any fixes for main, I'd be happy to help you get them reviewed and uploaded [10:36] OK, thanks folks. === myriams [n=myriam@156-233.cable.senselan.ch] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [10:37] bddebian: the trouble with that is that the only difference between main and universe from a LP point of view is just a field in the database. So there's no way to separate them via access control for the dedicated tools at this time [10:37] once the Web UI exposes syncs and removals, it should be trivial [10:37] I believe that is on the cards [10:37] OK, thanks [10:37] we literally just use tools that muck around with SQL at the moment [10:37] Ok. Is that it for core-dev? [10:38] there doesn't seem to be a backlog on ubuntu-archive at the moment [10:38] bddebian: thank you, and please do get in touch with me if you need any assistance [10:38] Sure [10:39] is Fred Chu here? [10:40] if not, Bluekuja is up for ubuntu-dev [10:40] Let's go with Bluekuja and then we can come back if necessary [10:40] I've made a lot on some packages related to irc and bittorrent(it would be great to maintain some of them in universe), they are v2strip , anope, cog, gtorrent-viewer, ctorrent(gtorrent, anope are still in revu, soon others). I'm working with sfllaw (and chistoph Hass) that advocates me also for debian, where I'm developing gtorrent.(he reviews my packages) [10:40] I'm an uploader also in fedora extras repositories, there are already some of mine packages inside( gtorrent, and v2strip) and right now I'm building eggdrop, another irc bot. [10:41] Bluekuja: it looks like you're interested in edubuntu? [10:41] mdz: exactly, I work for the edubuntu italian team [10:41] with advocacy in schools and meetings [10:41] mdz, Bluekuja is active with documentation transalations and stuff in edubuntu since a while [10:42] ogra: thanks :) [10:42] ogra: have you sponsored uploads for him? [10:42] nope [10:42] mdz: i work on packages with simon law [10:42] sfllaw: ping? [10:42] Pong. [10:42] So... [10:43] I've looked at Bluekuja's gtorrentviewer package. [10:43] And we've gone through it over a couple of iterations. === ericz [n=ericz@ip70-174-127-4.hr.hr.cox.net] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Leaving"] [10:43] It's good enough to get into universe, I think. [10:43] Bluekuja: is that your first package? [10:44] mdz: nope, I've made also a lot of other packages that have to be reviewed [10:44] have you got anything on revu ? [10:45] ogra: gtorrent-viewer, anope [10:46] Bluekuja: anope is a new package? [10:46] mdz: what do you mean? new version or new package? [10:47] Bluekuja: the description for it is not very clear; what does it do? [10:47] Bluekuja: I mean new package [10:47] mdz: it's one of the most famous irc services === nixternal [n=nixterna@71.194.189.213] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [10:47] that supports all big servers [10:47] like ircd-hybrid etc [10:48] Bluekuja: what does it do? [10:48] looks like a bot collection [10:48] it provides chanserv, nickserv, hostserv [10:48] opserv [10:48] and botserv [10:48] Bluekuja: that means nothing to people who do not already know what those terms mean :-) [10:48] mdz: sorry for the desc, I'll fix it as soon as possible :) [10:49] Bluekuja: the description also needs to be wrapped; it's a single line of hundreds of characters [10:49] mdz: i work in irc stuff and so I'm really familiar [10:49] ok perfect, It will be fixed [10:50] i'm working right now on eggdrop [10:51] that is an irc bot, that supports tcl scripts and c modules [10:51] Bluekuja: what are you doing with it? === ogra wonders why lintian didnt complain about the lenght ... but thats OT [10:51] ogra: yeah exactly [10:51] ogra: submit@bugs.debian.org [10:51] :) [10:51] mdz: :D === DShepherd [n=dwight@port0250-aax-adsl.cwjamaica.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [10:51] Bluekuja: hmm? [10:52] mdz: i was saying that I'm currently developing some bots [10:52] of course related to the irc world [10:52] i want to provide a lot of packages for universe [10:53] Bluekuja: I think it would be beneficial to spend more time working with MOTU and others to have your work reviewed and gain more experience with packaging before making unsupervised uploads [10:53] Bluekuja: I'm sure sfllaw will gladly continue to give you feedback on your work [10:53] mdz++ [10:53] mdz: ok perfect [10:54] Bluekuja: ogra always welcomes Edubuntu contributions as well :-) [10:54] :) [10:54] I agree; continue working with sfllaw, and work a bit more with the MOTU, and you should gain the necessary experience in no time [10:54] That he does. [10:54] indeed ! :) [10:55] mdz,keybuk: ok great [10:55] Bluekuja: feel free to contact me if you have any questions or need assistance [10:55] Bluekuja: and thanks for your work so far [10:56] mdz: ok, thanks very much, I'll try to gain more experience in this weeks [10:56] Bluekuja: great! [10:56] is there anyone else here who is newly applying for membership in ubuntu-{core-,}dev? [10:56] mdz: ;) , i have to go now, have a good evening [10:57] cya guys [10:57] bye Bluekuja [10:57] ciao Bluekuja [10:57] \sh is on the agenda, but not here? [10:57] looks like === toma [n=toma@ip20.inbel.kovoks.nl] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [10:57] ok, perhaps at the next meeting then [10:58] siretart: you wanted to discuss backports? [10:58] mdz: yes [10:58] mdz: first, I wanted to ask if there is currently a problem with -backports [10:58] there hasn't been any request processed since quite some time, jdong told me [10:58] siretart: this proposal sounds familiar [10:59] I believe we talked about it before [10:59] I support the idea of -core-dev being able to upload new source to backports [10:59] can core-dev not do that today? [10:59] Keybuk: as a matter of policy, to date we have limited backports to syncs [10:59] and indeed, diverging source for backports should be avoided as much as is practical [10:59] I guess there's no LP queue for "unapproved backports" [11:00] siretart: when soyuz was first deployed, there was a delay before syncs could be processed, but as far as I know, syncs to backports should be working fine === ..[topic/#ubuntu-meeting:Ubugtu] : Current meeting: Kubuntu | Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 07 Jun 13:30 UTC: Xubuntu | 07 Jun 20:00 UTC: Edubuntu | 08 Jun 08:00 UTC: Ubuntu Development Team | 14 Jun 12:00 UTC: Edubuntu [11:00] siretart: requests should be made to ubuntu-archive, rather than elmo, though === myriams [n=myriam@156-233.cable.senselan.ch] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Ex-Chat"] [11:00] one thing I've found frustrating was there was at least one package I wanted backported but a couple of the deps had been renamed [11:00] siretart: can you communicate that to jdong? [11:01] mdz: well, I imagined 'syncs' to backports arn't really syncs, because they involve fiddling with debian/changelog [11:01] mdz: I told him that syncs are now handled via launchpad and ubuntu archive, but I havn't seen him forwarding bugs yet. [11:01] siretart: if there are any outstanding backport requests, they should be filed in Malone and ubuntu-archive subscribed, as with other archive requests [11:01] mdz: I'll tell him again, no problem [11:02] ok, what about 'manual' uploads of -core-dev's to -backports? === Tonio_ [n=tonio@tonio.planetemu.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [11:02] siretart: I support the idea of -core-dev being able to upload new source to backports [11:02] however: and indeed, diverging source for backports should be avoided as much as is practical [11:03] didnt we discuss that in montreal already ? [11:03] I have a vague query about the numbering mentioned in the proposal [11:03] Oh, actually, no I don't [11:03] ogra: with what result? [11:03] siretart: can you expand on your question about review? [11:04] siretart, no idea i just remember a discussion there and mdz saying he'd be ok with core-dev uploading [11:04] mdz: well, currently every upload to dapper-updates gets into a 'poket' for manual review, AIUI. do we need that for -backports as well? [11:05] I'm not sure, and I tend to believe that we don't [11:05] siretart: given that backports is disabled by default, and therefore opt-in, I don't think the same caution is needed [11:05] ok [11:05] if the only uploads are sync requests from the backports team, or uploads from -core-dev, I'm happy for them to go straight in [11:06] ok. great [11:06] there is another suggestion. how about opening edgy-backports after edgy's UVF? [11:06] during processing UVF request for dapper, there were quite some requests, which didn't fit for dapper, but for dapper-updates [11:07] users would have been happy if they could have had them there.. [11:07] siretart: I have no objection there [11:07] s/dapper-updates/dapper-backports/ that is [11:07] of course [11:08] siretart: edgy-backports may even appear when edgy opens, though it wouldn't make much sense to upload to it just yet [11:08] right. it makes only sense after UVF [11:08] siretart: ping me at UVF if there's any blockage in uploading to edgy-backports [11:09] mdz: will do [11:09] is dapper-backports already open for uploads? [11:09] siretart: do you think your proposal can be turned into a how-to document for backports? [11:10] siretart: it should be, yes [11:10] mdz: I can style that up and rename it to BackportsHowto, no problem [11:10] ok. great [11:10] siretart: excellent, thanks...presumably you'll talk it over with ubuntu-backporters as well? [11:11] siretart: are the members of that team still active? [11:11] mdz: ubuntu backporters is jdong, and mez AFAIK. they both seem to be rather MIA recently.. [11:11] mez did an evil upload to universe of an unreviewed package just before dapper release ... so he's still alive at least [11:12] mez is moving house just now [11:12] ah. ok === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [11:12] siretart: thanks for bringing the issue to our attention; I didn't realize there was confusion about how backports requests were to be handled now [11:12] siretart: are all of your questions answered? [11:12] I'll apply for ubuntu-backports as well [11:13] mdz: all questions answered. thanks! [11:13] great [11:13] any other business from anyone? [11:14] lets free the room for kubuntu :) [11:14] ;) === kmon [n=javier@217.Red-80-25-51.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [11:14] goodnight everyone! [11:14] just a last question - does anyone remember how to apply for ubuntu-backports team? [11:14] hi [11:14] ciao highvoltage [11:14] did the meeting started? [11:14] siretart: it seems to be restricted [11:14] kmon: TB just ending [11:14] hi kmon - kubuntu meeting will start soon [11:14] oh [11:15] siretart: talk to jdong; it should probably be moderated instead [11:15] I've just arrived home [11:15] mdz: I'll sort that out with jdong. he seem to irc from time to time.. [11:15] kmon: i just hear from reliable sources, that we will start in a minute [11:15] he was here yesterday [11:15] siretart: if you can't get in touch with him or mez to change it, let me know === Shaezsche [n=Shaezsch@bsu186064.bemidjistate.edu] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [11:15] ok. will do [11:15] thanks, everyone [11:15] adjourned [11:15] thanks [11:15] Lure, anyone applying for membership in kubuntu? === jaims [n=jaims@61.Red-80-33-128.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [11:15] pygi: one person https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Meetings === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] === Shaezsche [n=Shaezsch@bsu186064.bemidjistate.edu] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] === goldenear [n=user@vol75-4-82-225-33-186.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [11:16] so let's start === toma is Tom Albers === Riddell is Jonathan Riddell [11:16] imbrandon, I as well? :) === Hobbsee is asleep. === Tonio_ is Anthony Mercatante === pygi is Mario Danic === Lure is Luka Renko === imbrandon is Brandon Holtsclaw === kmon javier === linuxmonkey is Terry Jacob (Tired.Staying up too late helping people with raid) === Keybuk [n=scott@quest.netsplit.com] has left #ubuntu-meeting [""] [11:17] agenda is at https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Meetings [11:17] and kmon has the first item [11:17] pygi: add your self to the agenda with a link to your wiki page then ;) === Hobbsee is actually Sarah Hobbs [11:18] imbrandon, nah, edubuntu one tommorow [11:18] Don't wanna bother people with 2 thingies :) [11:18] ok, my first point is an idea to centralise unofficial packages for kubuntu dapper === goldenear is Nicolas Le Guen [11:18] and to do it in a way to avoid replication [11:18]