=== zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zerokarmaleft [n=zerokarm@ip68-12-45-133.ok.ok.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === havoc [n=havoc@CPE-24-167-241-63.wi.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === havoc is back :) === zerokarmaleft [n=zerokarm@ip68-12-45-133.ok.ok.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ReMink [n=ReMink@i01v-62-34-233-48.d4.club-internet.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:51] I've created my first package and my repository _o/ he he [12:51] nice [12:51] It's gajim 0.10.1 [12:51] now that I've *finally* figured out how to open up this damn vaio, I got a larger hdd, and am about to dual boot it [12:52] so chillywilly will get his wish, and I'll finally be an ubuntu convert [12:53] <_ion> So you'll reboot between OpenBSD and Ubuntu then? [12:53] haha === nictuku [n=yves@ubuntu/member/nictuku] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:53] I *wish* I could use only *nix, but unfortunately that doesn't pay the bills out here :( [12:53] I go to create my page in the ubuntu's wiki :D [12:54] e.g. I was doing more M$ Access and C# crap today (seperate clients/projects), but the mortgage will be paid another month [12:54] havoc: Linux pays MY bill just fine :D [12:55] Erlang: you're lucky :| [12:55] <_ion> Linus pays my bills. [12:55] in 2005 Milwaukee, WI, US was rated 7th *worst* for IT in the US :( === havoc is west of the Milwaukee Metro area [12:57] I live in a pretty small place. The is very few Linux company around. I'm lucky I've found aplace. [12:57] it's a startup thought. I may be out of job by christmas ;D [12:58] :( [12:58] most of the contract work out here is web based crap [12:58] which is all that bad [12:58] not all that good though either === hub [n=hub@toronto-hs-216-138-231-194.s-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:59] but it lets me stay in a console [12:59] even for the ASP crap === Arrogance [n=aks@ottawa-hs-209-217-75-211.d-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === JohnnyMast [n=rave@84-104-9-27.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === spiff [n=anders@c-a368e353.05-27-6f736c2.cust.bredband.no] has joined #ubuntu-motu === magnon [n=co@c-a368e353.05-27-6f736c2.cust.bredband.no] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:07] darn it, every time I have a sweet Ubuntu setup somebody has to take it :( === pschulz01 [n=paul@eth6067.sa.adsl.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === plugwash [i=plugwash@p10link.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:20] LaserJock: What do you mean by "take it"? [01:20] well, I had a nice setup at work and that got replaced by an iMac === zerokarmaleft [n=zerokarm@ip68-12-45-133.ok.ok.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:21] then I set up an alternative box [01:21] and today that got taken by a undergrad for the summer [01:21] What do you do for a living? [01:22] I'm a chemist [01:22] aka, grad student for life [01:22] I see. === Amaranth [n=amaranth@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:23] So you don't work with computers? Well, as a tool obviously, but apart from that? [01:23] no, I just hang out here cause I like it :-) [01:23] I'm an experimental physical chemist === FunnyLookinHat [n=funnyloo@71.57.11.218] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:23] I'm a laser jock [01:24] but every once in a while I get to do some Fortran or C programming for data acquisition and analysis [01:27] LaserJock why don't you use scientific linux [01:27] it's RHEL but for free with optimisations for your kinda thing [01:27] and you could multiboot it with ubuntu [01:28] I don't need scientific linux, tbh [01:28] i know [01:28] but it's worth looking at [01:28] Ubuntu is exactly what I wanted [01:28] What does it do that any othe rLinux distro doesn't? [01:28] shawarma, it is released every 7 years and is highly stable [01:28] it has more computational science and statistics packages [01:29] it doesn't [01:29] that's incorrect it has no more science stuff than ubuntu [01:29] more than RHEL by default, doesn't it? [01:29] NthDegree: Every 7 years?!?? That's almost as often af Debian! [01:29] it is optimised for scientific things [01:29] I was comparing it to RHEL [01:29] shawarma it gets service packs like windows [01:30] so it does get more than maintenance patches [01:30] Oh, ok. [01:30] actually in my department we only run SuSE and Ubuntu for Linux [01:30] 7 years is a loooong time, though. [01:31] but CentOS/fermi/scientific linux all have RHEL but for free and it's basically like getting the best of fedora w/o the hard work :) [01:31] yeah, except I really have never been impressed with any Red Hat product [01:31] I want to help ubuntu so hence i'll be using ubuntu as my main distro [01:32] but CentOS (if it works) will be my stable, secure distro where as ubuntu will be my "do stuff for a good cause and get lots of pleasure" distro [01:32] Well, I'm off to bed. Cheers, guys! [01:32] cya shawarma [01:33] then when ubuntu has matured a bit more then it'll be ditch the red hat permanently season :D [01:33] cya shawarma night [01:33] scientific linux would really not do anything for me. I briefly had a look at it [01:33] well centos probably would but the live cd doesn't boot for me [01:33] Greetings.. I unsuccessfully tried to upload a package 'yaagc' to REVU last night... Is there anyone here who can clear it for me? [01:34] pschulz01: heah, that's a science packge, right? [01:34] lmao [01:34] Yes. (space related) [01:35] pschulz01: you were talking to Hobbsee (I read the backlog) [01:35] I'm really after some packaging advice/suggestions/help. === pschulz01 must really find out where the logs are :-) [01:35] Laser_away, Yes [01:35] LaserJock, yes === NthDegree is gonna clean up his system [01:36] pschulz01: people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/ I believe [01:37] yaagc is software that emulates the original Apollo Guidence Computer (the one that went to space) [01:37] pschulz01: anyway, I'm the MOTU Science team guy so I'm always interested in seeing new packages [01:37] Hi there! [01:37] btw, I also got an #ubuntu-science channel going ;-) [01:38] I've been playing with it off and on for a year or so.. and would like to see it available. === imbrandon [n=brandon@ubuntu/member/imbrandon] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:42] pschulz01 well if you have actually made a package it makes you way better than me [01:42] i can't even get my gpg sorted properly === DarkMageZ [n=DarkMage@ppp15-128.lns2.syd7.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:42] NthDegree: no key yet? [01:43] LaserJock, well I made one but it wants the Real Name to be root [01:43] what does? [01:43] NthDegree: I've been packaging software for myself as I've needed it.. but never actually found the canonical way (no pun intended). [01:43] lmao [01:43] hehe === imbrandon__ [n=brandon@CPE-72-135-8-5.kc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:44] pschulz01: I see your package in the REVU incoming === imbrandon__ [n=brandon@CPE-72-135-8-5.kc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:44] HP source, great on chips :P [01:44] Can you delete it? My dput failed. [01:45] pschulz01: I don't think I can (I'm not a REVU admin) but I don't think it should matter [01:46] pschulz01: just dput over the top of it, i.e. remove the .upload file or use dput -f === ReMink [n=ReMink@i01v-62-34-233-48.d4.club-internet.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:46] LaserJock, can I delete it? (there was mention of 'dcut' in one of the messages.) [01:46] no [01:46] OK.. I'm a little concerned about the size though.. and the 'cleanlyness'. [01:47] well, throw it up there and we can take a look :-) [01:47] Uploading via ftp yaagc_20060110-2.dsc: Error '553 Could not create file.' during ftp transfer of yaagc_20060110-2.dsc === NthDegree thinks you need to make an ftp account [01:48] no [01:48] Note: This problem might be caused by files already existent on the server. [01:48] For the official Debian upload queues, the dcut(1) utility can be used [01:48] to remove stale files from unsuccessful uploads. [01:50] hmm [01:50] I'll up the version number, rebuild and try again :-) [01:51] do you get any errors when building the source package [01:53] No.. the source package get's built OK. [01:53] On it's way. [01:54] Can dput output progress? [01:55] well, it made it to the server [01:55] Looks to be like it's still going though.. [01:55] No.. finished... [01:55] Well that was faster than my dialup at home :-) [01:56] ahh, I see a sources.changes this time [01:56] 'Not running dinstall' - what does this mean? [01:57] dinstall is for apt repos, I believe. that is normal === zerokarmaleft [n=zerokarm@ip68-12-45-133.ok.ok.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === pontifex [n=pontifex@84-45-197-14.no-dns-yet.enta.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === popey [n=popey@84-45-197-14.no-dns-yet.enta.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:03] dinstall was used for Debian uploads. Once you'd uploaded the changes, you could ssh in and run dinstall -n to see if your upload had a hope of being accepted. [02:03] That has since changed. [02:04] Which means, dput saying 'Not running dinstall' is because it isn't ssh in and running dinstall -n [02:04] Er, ssh'ing [02:05] StevenK, So I can safely ignore this? [02:05] pschulz01_away: Exactly. [02:05] StevenK, Thanks... so many things not to worry about :-) === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zul [n=chuck@ubuntu/member/zul] has joined #ubuntu-motu === chuck [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:31] ok peeps i'm gonna go clean up my system [02:31] brb [02:46] afternoon all [02:46] 'lo ajmitch [02:46] how are you, crimsun ? === zerokarmaleft [n=zerokarm@ip68-12-45-133.ok.ok.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:46] ajmitch: not bad, and yourself? [02:47] alright [02:47] cool [02:47] lamenting the loss of the server at work [02:47] it's died again [02:47] d'oh [02:47] brand new box, hardware failures [02:49] well, 06:06:06, 6/6/06, the 6bone was shut down :) [02:50] hehe [02:52] hey ajmitch [02:52] hey zul === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zerokarmaleft [n=zerokarm@ip68-12-45-133.ok.ok.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:00] some of these CommunityEdgyIdeas make me weep === bddebian [n=bdefrees@71.224.172.103] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:00] e.g., under Multimedia: "Make Mark hire a good lawyer to take a look at every countries law." [03:00] weep or laugh [03:00] I'm not sure which [03:01] nor I [03:03] Heya gang [03:03] good day bddebian [03:03] hi bddebian [03:03] Hi ajmitch, Laser, crimsun!! :-) [03:03] heya bddebian [03:04] crimsun: the conaxant one comes to mind [03:04] Heya zul [03:04] zul: we *MUST* provide winmodem support [03:04] for every winmodem out there [03:04] *must*? :_) [03:04] otherwise ubuntu as an OS has failed [03:05] we should also autodetect freebsd [03:05] and beos [03:05] Ugh [03:05] ajmitch: meh.. [03:08] excellent [03:08] bugreport asking us to get a new xentools version in now [03:08] You are surprised by that? :-) [03:09] not in the slightest [03:13] ajmitch: you know a Caritas? [03:14] aye [03:14] I understand you've been stalking [03:14] heh [03:15] not exactly stalking === crimsun looks forward to bddebian's main upload privs tomorrow :) [03:15] is that tommorow? [03:15] 'not exactly' [03:15] Why so you can laugh at me some more? [03:15] LaserJock: damnig words if ever I heard any [03:15] bddebian: no, so I can punt fixes your way :-) [03:16] Ah :-) [03:16] yeah like alsa or kernel stuff === ajmitch will give bddebian all his uploads [03:16] That's IF I get accepted and that is a BIG if [03:16] bddebian: we just like to torture you [03:19] Hurray hurray! Erlang builds on HPPA [03:20] w00t [03:20] "World Cup streaming to cause network meltdown" seems a bit extreme [03:20] lol [03:21] Finally the TRUE cause of global warming!! ;-P [03:21] end of the world dont you know [03:21] bddebian: rofl === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:31] hey jsgotangco [03:32] good morning ajmitch [03:32] Yeah, heya jsgotangco :-) === StevenK ponders actually going to uni. [03:42] StevenK: don't do it! === DarkMageZ [n=DarkMage@ppp15-128.lns2.syd7.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:47] ajmitch: Why not? === No1Viking [n=micke@h-83-140-104-3.ip.rixbredband.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:47] because uni is evil === freeflying|away [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:49] Uni is evil if you really don't care about your degree/whatever you are studying for. [03:50] Well, I'm confused. It's week 12 of a 14 week semester, but the unit I'm doing had the final exam last week. [03:51] heh [03:51] So I'm going to go in and ask the lecturer "What the?" === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === chuck_ [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === NthDegree [n=NthDegre@194-247-226-35.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lastnode [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === NthDegree [n=NthDegre@194-247-226-35.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lastnode [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === irvin [n=irvin@ubuntu/member/irvin] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Kyral [n=kyral@ubuntu/member/kyral] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Kyral [n=kyral@ubuntu/member/kyral] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Sergi0_ [n=serge@ip227-28-166-62.adsl.versatel.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === chillywilly [n=danielb@CPE-24-209-126-16.wi.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === pschulz01 [n=paul@eth6067.sa.adsl.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-motu === otep [n=otep@AP-203.167.31.158.sysads.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === LaserJock [n=LaserJoc@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Kyral [n=kyral@ubuntu/member/kyral] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bhuvan [n=bhuvan@ubuntu/member/bhuvan] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Fujitsu [n=fujitsu@c211-28-175-232.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === nictuku [n=yves@ubuntu/member/nictuku] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:07] how do I get the 'wtf' command [06:10] bluefoxicy: bsdgames === Gloubiboulga [n=gauvain@ubuntu/member/gloubiboulga] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:10] at least according to packages.ubuntu.com [06:11] bsd == bull shit daemon? [06:11] Berkley Systems Division or some such [06:11] oh [06:11] oh that bsd [06:11] nm === LaserJoc1 [n=mantha@lambda.chem.unr.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:13] BSD = Berkeley Software Distribution [06:14] Oh yeah, that's it :-) [06:14] I had to look in wikipeadia..I can never remember the exact definition :) [06:15] even after spending 2 years in Berkeley... [06:15] what does wtf do? [06:15] it must be a game... [06:16] robitaille: I think spending time at Berkeley will do that to you ;-) === jsgotangco feeds his interest by installing [06:17] Laser_away: I was too busy dealing with my NT servers to think about BSD at the time [06:18] lol its an acronym db [06:19] ah cool [06:19] wtf PEBKAC [06:19] hehe [06:20] Laser_away, Was I ment to get a password emailed to me whe I uploaded to REVU this morning? [06:21] obviously only a geek would even know about PEBKAC :) [06:21] I have to install that package... [06:22] lol this is fun [06:22] it has like 20+ games for the console [06:24] battlestar? [06:24] yeah [06:24] Gnight folks [06:25] adventure? That must be the old game I used to play on my commodore 64 [06:27] it even has hangman and a star trek game [06:30] jsgotangco: since you are in the gaming business...I guess you can play all these game at work for educational purposes? :) [06:30] yeah even the sucky ones [06:31] thank goodness im part of the mobile/handheld division [06:35] pschulz01_away: actually, have you emailed keyring AT revu.tauware.de to get you gpg key added to the keyring? [06:35] Yes, I did that first. [06:36] But that wasn't that long ago. [06:36] and you got a response? [06:36] No. [06:36] then perhaps you haven't been added [06:36] Cool.. just so I know. [06:37] ajmitch_: ping? could you help pschulz01_away here with a REVU problem? ^^ [06:37] ok, I'm really away now [06:39] yes you have been added [06:39] I told you on IRC [06:39] and you don't get a password emailed to you [06:40] ajmitch, yes. [06:40] ajmitch, should I expect a password at some stage? [06:41] when you request it [06:42] Cna i please have a password? [06:42] I mean when you request it on REVU [06:42] Oh.. [06:42] after your first successful upload.. [06:43] :-) Thanks.. not clear from the wiki. [06:45] ajmitch, Sorry, it's perfectly clear.. I just can't read. === freeflying|away [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-motu === TerminX [n=terminx@64.62.190.212] has left #ubuntu-motu ["..."] === dsas [n=dean@host81-129-229-196.range81-129.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === freeflying|away [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu === abelcheung_ [n=abelcheu@221.126.145.226] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dholbach [n=daniel@i577B251C.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:08] good morning === kagou [n=kagou@84.6.129.69] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:10] hi dholbach, hi kagou [08:10] hey Gloubiboulga :) [08:10] heya Gloubiboulga, kagou [08:10] how are you guys? [08:11] morning dholbach [08:11] fine and you ? [08:11] dholbach, good, thinking about Xubuntu edgy :) [08:11] hey dholbach Gloubiboulga and kagou [08:11] hey Hobbsee === StevenK jumps on Hobbsee === Hobbsee thumps StevenK [08:12] anyone know what my jabber password is? === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-motu === kagou is learning how to make nice packages :) [08:13] hey slomo [08:13] kagou: nice :) [08:13] i'v installed and configured pbuilder/dput/mini-dinstall :) [08:13] hi dholbach :) === Hobbsee is now wondering about her sanity. [08:14] Hobbsee: What's to wonder about, it's missing. :-P [08:14] hehe [08:14] my memory, too... === _jaldhar [n=jaldhar@c-68-38-202-139.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:17] doing some works on packages for edgy (for photo team) ... and waiting now for the sync. i must learn more on packaging (patch integration and so on) [08:18] kagou: Edgy will be your Cycle! :) [08:18] lol === ealden [n=ealden@203.76.211.19] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:22] someone can explain me what's the process for me to push a new package. this in the case where debian package is old, so i'v made a new fresh release. [08:24] push where? [08:24] kagou: to get it reviewed? [08:25] dholbach, push on edgy mirrors :) [08:26] grr. it's the early hours of the morning in the US. [08:26] kagou: you can't just upload it like that [08:26] kagou: you need to get it reviewed and then uploaded by someone in the keyring [08:26] kagou: if you have a patch, then providing a debdiff is cool [08:27] kagou: if it's a complete package you might want to get it reviewed on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/REVU === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:28] thanks dholbach. [08:30] lol -> "If you happen to enjoy Linux, but dislike Ubuntu, you probably regretted connecting to the Internet in the second half of the past week" -> http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20060605 === lastnode_ [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lucas [n=lucas@ubuntu/member/lucas] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lloydinho [n=andreas@rosinante.egmont-kol.dk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:47] alright.. === DarkMageZ [n=DarkMage@ppp15-128.lns2.syd7.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === antinobody [n=sean@71-214-92-217.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tuxmaniac [n=aanjhan@59.92.47.49] has joined #ubuntu-motu === shenki_ [n=shenki@ppp224-86.lns2.adl4.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Kamping_Kaiser [n=kgoetz@ppp100-144.static.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === plugwash [i=plugwash@p10link.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === highvoltage [n=jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-motu === vud1 [n=vud1@unaffilitated/vud1] has joined #ubuntu-motu === abelcheung__ [n=abelcheu@221.126.155.234] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ivoks [n=ivoks@ubuntu/member/ivoks] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ajmitch considers FDS [09:44] fds? === schweeb [n=chris@209.120.232.20] has joined #ubuntu-motu === MagnusR [n=magru@c83-250-59-127.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu === MagnusR [n=magru@c83-250-59-127.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:11] hey schweeb [10:11] schweeb: long time no see === doko [n=doko@dslb-088-073-097-177.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:46] hi all [10:47] hey zakame [10:48] hi ajmitch! how's network-auth? =) [10:48] getting there :) [10:48] how's your project going? === ajmitch doesn't quite understand what it is you're doing :) [10:48] the same, figured out how to do cvs+rcs [10:49] ew [10:49] now I'm trying to port this modem-locking code (copied from C, apparently) to use Perl's flock :/ [10:50] that doesn't sound nice :) [10:51] yeah :/ that's my project, being the janitor [10:51] ah [10:51] worthwhile, but no glory in it ;) [10:52] hehehe [10:52] learning a lot though, so I'm not worried about the glory [10:52] which is good :) [10:53] indeed :) === ajmitch needs some decent music to listen to [11:05] hm, new kernel works ok in vmware ;) === tuxmaniac [n=aanjhan@59.92.82.129] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:10] ajmitch: he's supposed to resurrect an age-old myth called paging systems [11:11] explain === ajmitch needs to figure out how to run git properly [11:12] when we were yet to be conceived by our parents, they used this contraption where they received numeric codes [11:12] then it became alpha numeric [11:12] heh === nawty [n=neogenix@globlet.eefy.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:14] hiya, how do i request that a package is updated from debian ? === herzi [n=herzi@c180036.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ReMink [n=ReMink@i01v-62-34-233-48.d4.club-internet.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:24] nawty: are the ubuntu and debian versions identical? [11:24] nawty: meaning, of course, that ubuntu's trails debian's but has no ubuntu-specific changes [11:25] crimsun: as far as i can see, yes. [11:25] nawty: package? [11:26] crimsun: two of them, actually. [11:26] crimsun: xen-tools, and postfix-policyd. [11:27] nawty: xen-tools will be autosynced. postfix-policyd has a ubuntu delta. [11:27] crimsun: any idea on the autosync timeframe? [11:27] nawty: they'll be synced into edgy [11:27] crimsun: aah, ok, how do i find out more information on the ubuntu changes for policyd. [11:28] nawty: erm, well, edgy's not supposed to open until today or tomorrow [11:28] some packages *may* have a chance of getting into dapper-backports === tuxmaniac is reading a flame war that is happening between Debian and Ubuntu on his home LUG mailing list [11:28] I don't know if we've worked out any policy for that yet, it's on the TB agenda today === tuxmaniac is responsible in a way ;-) [11:28] tuxmaniac: yay [11:29] tuxmaniac, what lug? [11:29] crimsun: but edgy's going to well be, broken for a while. [11:30] nawty: it's just a b-d specific change for libmysqlclient15-dev. [11:30] Indian Linux user group Chennai. [11:30] nawty: yep, it'll be great fun [11:30] Kamping_Kaiser: its just catching up [11:30] crimsun: so there's no chance of getting the updated package, that fixes bugs, into dapper ? [11:30] nawty: this is why it's important to get things into dapper before release [11:30] nawty: of which package fixing which bug{,s}? [11:30] Kamping_Kaiser: will have a fitting climax when I plan to demo Dapper :-D [11:30] Kamping_Kaiser: in the next meet [11:31] hehe [11:31] crimsun: policyd, i've just updated my bug : [11:31] https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/postfix-policyd/+bug/36823/+index [11:31] Malone bug 36823 in postfix-policyd "Update ? debian upstream much higher version..." [Normal,Confirmed] [11:32] crimsun: have a squiz at the last comment. [11:32] erm, I see only 1.61 as really valid... [11:33] & there's new functionality added between 1.55 (which we have) and 1.61 [11:33] yes, that too. [11:33] there's no clear delineation of what critical bugs are fixed, either, which makes -updates more difficult [11:34] well i'm running a source compiled version at the moment, because 1.55's changes were causing problems on my systems. [11:34] ubuntu's synced from unstable ? [11:34] if the fixes can be backported to dapper's 1.55-1ubuntu1, then that would have a better chance of making it into -updates [11:35] I think it's safe to assume that 1.73 isn't going into -updates, though. === pschulz01 [n=paul@150.101.6.36] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:36] and it's bad to use debian packages on an ubuntu system? [11:36] nawty: building a source package is 100% fine [11:36] dropping binaries from pool, though, can cause furry rabbit death === lastnode [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:38] holy backlog in -devel [11:38] crimsun: so should i not bother filing bug reports against old pcakages ? [11:39] you can, but post-release updates have to be considered carefully [11:39] nawty: it's worth filing them if you can provide a debdiff against current $stable source packages [11:44] ah, I see, it's the ole bleeding edge naming vs. stable naming and "but more time == fewer bugs" arguments. [11:48] the same old discussion [11:48] I think I should install debian [11:48] (in vmware) [11:49] hm [11:49] hopefully edgy will open soon & get gcc-4.1 [11:49] I think it's sitting ready === _czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-052-233.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:58] hi everybody === aanjhan_ [n=aanjhan@59.92.39.13] has joined #ubuntu-motu === _jaldhar is now known as jaldhar === ealden [n=ealden@203.76.211.123] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tuxmaniac [n=aanjhan@59.92.39.13] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jinty [n=jinty@242.Red-83-49-54.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Insup [n=mike@host81-155-108-222.range81-155.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dholbach [n=daniel@i577B251C.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hirion [n=hirion@draugr.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === No1Viking [n=micke@h-83-140-104-3.ip.rixbredband.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu === No1Viking [n=micke@h-83-140-104-3.ip.rixbredband.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu === TheMuso [n=luke@ubuntu/member/themuso] has joined #ubuntu-motu === xophEr [n=xopher@a84-230-124-206.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu === imbrandon [n=brandon@ubuntu/member/imbrandon] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Kamping_Kaiser [n=kgoetz@ppp100-144.static.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:39] crackful [01:39] cd lib/libadminutil; gmake BUILD_OPT=1 NSPR_BASENAME= USE_PTHREADS=1 SECURITY=domestic MOZILLA_SOURCE_ROOT_EXT= ICU_SOURCE_ROOT_EXT= USE_64=1 [01:39] /bin/sh: gmake: command not found === ajmitch wonders why we don't have the gmake->make thing [01:40] I see, manoj's decision === Gloubiboulga [n=gauvain@ubuntu/member/gloubiboulga] has joined #ubuntu-motu === chuck_ [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:49] also s/;/&&/ [01:52] yeah, I thought I'd try out dsbuild for fedora directory server [01:52] breaks all over === zul [n=chuck@ubuntu/member/zul] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:54] heylo [01:54] hi === Whoopie [n=Whoopie@p54A7868A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lastnode_ [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lastnode_ [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lastnode_ [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === truz_`24 [n=truz_`24@74.129.166.232] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Bluekuja [n=andrea@ubuntu/member/bluekuja] has joined #ubuntu-motu === shenki_ [n=shenki@ppp160-169.lns3.adl4.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Fujitsu [n=fujitsu@c211-28-181-26.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-motu === nomed [n=nomed@host83-57.pool8260.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lucas [n=lucas@ubuntu/member/lucas] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:34] hi lucas, sorry to bother you again with http://tiber.tauware.de/~lucas/versions/ but there's another little issue :) [03:34] yes ? === TomaszD [n=tom@xdsl-2196.elblag.dialog.net.pl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:35] lucas: the changelog links all point to pool/universe even for main packages [03:35] yup [03:35] but there's no way to determine where a package comes from currently [03:35] ok :) [03:35] thanks anyway === hub [n=hub@storm-gw.xandros.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dholbach_ [n=daniel@i577B3447.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ch34ter [n=ch34ter@tor/session/external/x-06b856a837bd1820] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:42] why does my bash history fill with stupid commands like this one: cd "`echo -e '\057home\057dx\064\065\067\060\062\067\063\061\063\064\067\066\056OLD'`"? and how do i fix this? [03:44] Morning [03:44] hey Kyral [03:44] Is it just me or did siretart become a AM :P [03:45] a AM? [03:45] something Maintainer in Debian [03:46] not a full on Maintainer, but like a new maintainer [03:46] Application Manager [03:46] Check the Debian-NewMaint list [03:47] oh [03:49] You have NO Idea how many MLs I lurk on :D [03:50] Kyral: i'm sure i dont want to know :p [03:51] Kyral: I'm not a DD yet, but that could happen quite soon, right [03:52] Lesse....Arch's, Dapper Changes (guess that is dead now), Debian Announce, Ubuntu Announce, Debian Mentors, Debian NewMaint, Debian News, Debian Science, The Linux Kernel Mailing List, Ubuntu Devel, Ubuntu Users, Ubuntu Doc, Ubuntu Kernel, Ubuntu Motu, Ubuntu Science, Universe Bugs, Xen Users [03:53] siretart: Ah I just noticed your name when I was skimming the ML [03:53] ick, scary! [03:53] LKML is funny sometimes [03:53] like Linus' announcement of 2.6.17-rc5 [03:54] "Hey guys, I said there wouldn't be another -rc, but I lied!" [03:56] lol Multiplayer Spreadsheets === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-motu === FunnyLookinHat [n=funnyloo@167.246.8.60] has joined #ubuntu-motu === shannon [n=shannon@cpe-069-132-052-158.carolina.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lucas [n=lucas@ubuntu/member/lucas] has joined #ubuntu-motu === erez [n=erez@85-250-33-8.bb.netvision.net.il] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ealden_ [n=ealden@203.76.211.96] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lastnode_ [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ivoks [n=ivoks@ubuntu/member/ivoks] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:28] why isn't foldingathome in the repos? [04:28] er...because no one has packaged it? [04:29] Well -- I know that, but it says in the wiki that it could not be packaged because it had to be obtained from stanford university -- [04:30] probbly a lic issue then [04:30] why can't a copy from their site be put in a .deb? [04:30] maybe so [04:30]