[12:51] <ReMink> I've created my first package and my repository _o/ he he
[12:51] <havoc> nice
[12:51] <ReMink> It's gajim 0.10.1
[12:51] <havoc> now that I've *finally* figured out how to open up this damn vaio, I got a larger hdd, and am about to dual boot it
[12:52] <havoc> so chillywilly will get his wish, and I'll finally be an ubuntu convert
[12:53] <_ion> So you'll reboot between OpenBSD and Ubuntu then?
[12:53] <havoc> haha
[12:53] <havoc> I *wish* I could use only *nix, but unfortunately that doesn't pay the bills out here :(
[12:53] <ReMink> I go to create my page in the ubuntu's wiki :D
[12:54] <havoc> e.g. I was doing more M$ Access and C# crap today (seperate clients/projects), but the mortgage will be paid another month
[12:54] <Erlang> havoc: Linux pays MY bill just fine :D
[12:55] <havoc> Erlang: you're lucky :|
[12:55] <_ion> Linus pays my bills.
[12:55] <havoc> in 2005 Milwaukee, WI, US was rated 7th *worst* for IT in the US :(
[12:57] <Erlang> I live in a pretty small place.  The is very few Linux company around.  I'm lucky I've found aplace.
[12:57] <Erlang> it's a startup thought.  I may be out of job by christmas ;D
[12:58] <havoc> :(
[12:58] <havoc> most of the contract work out here is web based crap
[12:58] <havoc> which is all that bad
[12:58] <havoc> not all that good though either
[12:59] <havoc> but it lets me stay in a console
[12:59] <havoc> even for the ASP crap
[01:07] <LaserJock> darn it, every time I have a sweet Ubuntu setup somebody has to take it :(
[01:20] <shawarma> LaserJock: What do you mean by "take it"?
[01:20] <LaserJock> well, I had a nice setup at work and that got replaced by an iMac
[01:21] <LaserJock> then I set up an alternative box
[01:21] <LaserJock> and today that got taken by a undergrad for the summer
[01:21] <shawarma> What do you do for a living?
[01:22] <LaserJock> I'm a chemist
[01:22] <LaserJock> aka, grad student for life
[01:22] <shawarma> I see.
[01:23] <shawarma> So you don't work with computers? Well, as a tool obviously, but apart from that?
[01:23] <LaserJock> no, I just hang out here cause I like it :-)
[01:23] <LaserJock> I'm an experimental physical chemist
[01:23] <LaserJock> I'm a laser jock
[01:24] <LaserJock> but every once in a while I get to do some Fortran or C programming for data acquisition and analysis
[01:27] <NthDegree> LaserJock why don't you use scientific linux
[01:27] <NthDegree> it's RHEL but for free with optimisations for your kinda thing
[01:27] <NthDegree> and you could multiboot it with ubuntu
[01:28] <LaserJock> I don't need scientific linux, tbh
[01:28] <NthDegree> i know
[01:28] <NthDegree> but it's worth looking at
[01:28] <LaserJock> Ubuntu is exactly what I wanted
[01:28] <shawarma> What does it do that any othe rLinux distro doesn't?
[01:28] <NthDegree> shawarma, it is released every 7 years and is highly stable
[01:28] <LaserJock> it has more computational science and statistics packages
[01:29] <NthDegree> it doesn't
[01:29] <NthDegree> that's incorrect it has no more science stuff than ubuntu
[01:29] <LaserJock> more than RHEL by default, doesn't it?
[01:29] <shawarma> NthDegree: Every 7 years?!?? That's almost as often af Debian!
[01:29] <NthDegree> it is optimised for scientific things
[01:29] <LaserJock> I was comparing it to RHEL
[01:29] <NthDegree> shawarma it gets service packs like windows
[01:30] <NthDegree> so it does get more than maintenance patches
[01:30] <shawarma> Oh, ok.
[01:30] <LaserJock> actually in my department we only run SuSE and Ubuntu for Linux
[01:30] <shawarma> 7 years is a loooong time, though.
[01:31] <NthDegree> but CentOS/fermi/scientific linux all have RHEL but for free and it's basically like getting the best of fedora w/o the hard work :)
[01:31] <LaserJock> yeah, except I really have never been impressed with any Red Hat product
[01:31] <NthDegree> I want to help ubuntu so hence i'll be using ubuntu as my main distro
[01:32] <NthDegree> but CentOS (if it works) will be my stable, secure distro where as ubuntu will be my "do stuff for a good cause and get lots of pleasure" distro
[01:32] <shawarma> Well, I'm off to bed. Cheers, guys!
[01:32] <LaserJock> cya shawarma
[01:33] <NthDegree> then when ubuntu has matured a bit more then it'll be ditch the red hat permanently season :D
[01:33] <NthDegree> cya shawarma night
[01:33] <LaserJock> scientific linux would really not do anything for me. I briefly had a look at it
[01:33] <NthDegree> well centos probably would but the live cd doesn't boot for me
[01:33] <pschulz01> Greetings.. I unsuccessfully tried to upload a package 'yaagc' to REVU last night... Is there anyone here who can clear it for me?
[01:34] <LaserJock> pschulz01: heah, that's a science packge, right?
[01:34] <NthDegree> lmao
[01:34] <pschulz01> Yes. (space related)
[01:35] <LaserJock> pschulz01: you were talking to Hobbsee (I read the backlog)
[01:35] <pschulz01> I'm really after some packaging advice/suggestions/help.
[01:35] <pschulz01> Laser_away, Yes
[01:35] <pschulz01> LaserJock, yes
[01:36] <LaserJock> pschulz01: people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/ I believe
[01:37] <pschulz01> yaagc is software that emulates the original Apollo Guidence Computer (the one that went to space)
[01:37] <LaserJock> pschulz01: anyway, I'm the MOTU Science team guy so I'm always interested in seeing new packages
[01:37] <pschulz01> Hi there!
[01:37] <LaserJock> btw, I also got an #ubuntu-science channel going ;-)
[01:38] <pschulz01> I've been playing with it off and on for a year or so.. and would like to see it available.
[01:42] <NthDegree> pschulz01 well if you have actually made a package it makes you way better than me
[01:42] <NthDegree> i can't even get my gpg sorted properly
[01:42] <LaserJock> NthDegree: no key yet?
[01:43] <NthDegree> LaserJock, well I made one but it wants the Real Name to be root
[01:43] <LaserJock> what does?
[01:43] <pschulz01> NthDegree: I've been packaging software for myself as I've needed it.. but never actually found the canonical way (no pun intended).
[01:43] <NthDegree> lmao
[01:43] <LaserJock> hehe
[01:44] <LaserJock> pschulz01: I see your package in the REVU incoming
[01:44] <NthDegree> HP source, great on chips :P
[01:44] <pschulz01> Can you delete it? My dput failed.
[01:45] <LaserJock> pschulz01: I don't think I can (I'm not a REVU admin) but I don't think it should matter
[01:46] <LaserJock> pschulz01: just dput over the top of it, i.e. remove the .upload file or use dput -f
[01:46] <pschulz01> LaserJock, can I delete it? (there was mention of 'dcut' in one of the messages.)
[01:46] <LaserJock> no
[01:46] <pschulz01> OK.. I'm a little concerned about the size though.. and the 'cleanlyness'.
[01:47] <LaserJock> well, throw it up there and we can take a look :-)
[01:47] <pschulz01> Uploading via ftp yaagc_20060110-2.dsc: Error '553 Could not create file.' during ftp transfer of yaagc_20060110-2.dsc
[01:48] <LaserJock> no
[01:48] <pschulz01> Note: This problem might be caused by files already existent on the server.
[01:48] <pschulz01>       For the official Debian upload queues, the dcut(1) utility can be used
[01:48] <pschulz01>       to remove stale files from unsuccessful uploads.
[01:50] <LaserJock> hmm
[01:50] <pschulz01> I'll up the version number, rebuild and try again :-)
[01:51] <LaserJock> do you get any errors when building the source package
[01:53] <pschulz01> No.. the source package get's built OK.
[01:53] <pschulz01> On it's way.
[01:54] <pschulz01> Can dput output progress?
[01:55] <LaserJock> well, it made it to the server
[01:55] <pschulz01> Looks to be like it's still going though..
[01:55] <pschulz01> No.. finished...
[01:55] <pschulz01> Well that was faster than my dialup at home :-)
[01:56] <LaserJock> ahh, I see a sources.changes this time
[01:56] <pschulz01> 'Not running dinstall' - what does this mean?
[01:57] <LaserJock> dinstall is for apt repos, I believe. that is normal
[02:03] <StevenK> dinstall was used for Debian uploads. Once you'd uploaded the changes, you could ssh in and run dinstall -n to see if your upload had a hope of being accepted.
[02:03] <StevenK> That has since changed.
[02:04] <StevenK> Which means, dput saying 'Not running dinstall' is because it isn't ssh in and running dinstall -n
[02:04] <StevenK> Er, ssh'ing
[02:05] <pschulz01_away> StevenK, So I can safely ignore this?
[02:05] <StevenK> pschulz01_away: Exactly.
[02:05] <pschulz01_away> StevenK, Thanks... so many things not to worry about :-)
[02:31] <NthDegree> ok peeps i'm gonna go clean up my system
[02:31] <NthDegree> brb
[02:46] <ajmitch> afternoon all
[02:46] <crimsun> 'lo ajmitch
[02:46] <ajmitch> how are you, crimsun ?
[02:46] <crimsun> ajmitch: not bad, and yourself?
[02:47] <ajmitch> alright
[02:47] <crimsun> cool
[02:47] <ajmitch> lamenting the loss of the server at work
[02:47] <ajmitch> it's died again
[02:47] <crimsun> d'oh
[02:47] <ajmitch> brand new box, hardware failures
[02:49] <ajmitch> well, 06:06:06, 6/6/06, the 6bone was shut down :)
[02:50] <crimsun> hehe
[02:52] <zul> hey ajmitch
[02:52] <ajmitch> hey zul
[03:00] <crimsun> some of these CommunityEdgyIdeas make me weep
[03:00] <crimsun> e.g., under Multimedia: "Make Mark hire a good lawyer to take a look at every countries law."
[03:00] <ajmitch> weep or laugh
[03:00] <ajmitch> I'm not sure which
[03:01] <crimsun> nor I
[03:03] <bddebian> Heya gang
[03:03] <ajmitch> good day bddebian
[03:03] <LaserJock> hi bddebian
[03:03] <bddebian> Hi ajmitch, Laser, crimsun!! :-)
[03:03] <crimsun> heya bddebian
[03:04] <zul> crimsun: the conaxant one comes to mind
[03:04] <bddebian> Heya zul
[03:04] <ajmitch> zul: we *MUST* provide winmodem support
[03:04] <ajmitch> for every winmodem out there
[03:04] <bddebian> *must*? :_)
[03:04] <ajmitch> otherwise ubuntu as an OS has failed
[03:05] <tseng> we should also autodetect freebsd
[03:05] <tseng> and beos
[03:05] <bddebian> Ugh
[03:05] <zul> ajmitch: meh..
[03:08] <ajmitch> excellent
[03:08] <ajmitch> bugreport asking us to get a new xentools version in now
[03:08] <bddebian> You are surprised by that? :-)
[03:09] <ajmitch> not in the slightest
[03:13] <LaserJock> ajmitch: you know a Caritas?
[03:14] <ajmitch> aye
[03:14] <ajmitch> I understand you've been stalking
[03:14] <bddebian> heh
[03:15] <LaserJock> not exactly stalking
[03:15] <LaserJock> is that tommorow?
[03:15] <ajmitch> 'not exactly'
[03:15] <bddebian> Why so you can laugh at me some more?
[03:15] <ajmitch> LaserJock: damnig words if ever I heard any
[03:15] <crimsun> bddebian: no, so I can punt fixes your way :-)
[03:16] <bddebian> Ah :-)
[03:16] <zul> yeah like alsa or kernel stuff
[03:16] <bddebian> That's IF I get accepted and that is a BIG if
[03:16] <zul> bddebian: we just like to torture you
[03:19] <Erlang> Hurray hurray! Erlang builds on HPPA
[03:20] <bddebian> w00t
[03:20] <crimsun> "World Cup streaming to cause network meltdown" seems a bit extreme
[03:20] <LaserJock> lol
[03:21] <bddebian> Finally the TRUE cause of global warming!! ;-P
[03:21] <zul> end of the world dont you know
[03:21] <LaserJock> bddebian: rofl
[03:31] <ajmitch> hey jsgotangco
[03:32] <jsgotangco> good morning ajmitch
[03:32] <bddebian> Yeah, heya jsgotangco :-)
[03:42] <ajmitch> StevenK: don't do it!
[03:47] <StevenK> ajmitch: Why not?
[03:47] <ajmitch> because uni is evil
[03:49] <TheMuso> Uni is evil if you really don't care about your degree/whatever you are studying for.
[03:50] <StevenK> Well, I'm confused. It's week 12 of a 14 week semester, but the unit I'm doing had the final exam last week.
[03:51] <TheMuso> heh
[03:51] <StevenK> So I'm going to go in and ask the lecturer "What the?"
[06:07] <bluefoxicy> how do I get the 'wtf' command
[06:10] <robitaille> bluefoxicy:  bsdgames
[06:10] <robitaille> at least according to packages.ubuntu.com
[06:11] <bluefoxicy> bsd == bull shit daemon?
[06:11] <bddebian> Berkley Systems Division or some such
[06:11] <bluefoxicy> oh
[06:11] <bluefoxicy> oh that bsd
[06:11] <bluefoxicy> nm
[06:13] <robitaille> BSD = Berkeley Software Distribution
[06:14] <bddebian> Oh yeah, that's it :-)
[06:14] <robitaille> I had to look in wikipeadia..I can never remember the exact definition :)
[06:15] <robitaille> even after spending 2 years in Berkeley...
[06:15] <jsgotangco> what does wtf do?
[06:15] <robitaille> it must be a game...
[06:16] <Laser_away> robitaille: I think spending time at Berkeley will do that to you ;-)
[06:17] <robitaille> Laser_away:  I was too busy dealing with my NT servers to think about BSD at the time
[06:18] <jsgotangco> lol its an acronym db
[06:19] <robitaille> ah cool
[06:19] <jsgotangco> wtf PEBKAC
[06:19] <jsgotangco> hehe
[06:20] <pschulz01> Laser_away, Was I ment to get a password emailed to me whe I uploaded to REVU this morning?
[06:21] <robitaille> obviously only a geek would even know about PEBKAC :)
[06:21] <robitaille> I have to install that package...
[06:22] <jsgotangco> lol this is fun
[06:22] <jsgotangco> it has like 20+ games for the console
[06:24] <robitaille> battlestar?
[06:24] <jsgotangco> yeah
[06:24] <bddebian> Gnight folks
[06:25] <robitaille> adventure?  That must be the old game I used to play on my commodore 64
[06:27] <jsgotangco> it even has hangman and a star trek game
[06:30] <robitaille> jsgotangco:  since you are in the gaming business...I guess you can play all these game at work for educational purposes? :)
[06:30] <jsgotangco> yeah even the sucky ones
[06:31] <jsgotangco> thank goodness im part of the mobile/handheld division
[06:35] <Laser_away> pschulz01_away: actually, have you emailed keyring AT revu.tauware.de to get you gpg key added to the keyring?
[06:35] <pschulz01_away> Yes, I did that first.
[06:36] <pschulz01_away> But that wasn't that long ago.
[06:36] <Laser_away> and you got a response?
[06:36] <pschulz01_away> No.
[06:36] <Laser_away> then perhaps you haven't been added
[06:36] <pschulz01_away> Cool.. just so I know.
[06:37] <Laser_away> ajmitch_: ping? could you help pschulz01_away here with a REVU problem? ^^
[06:37] <Laser_away> ok, I'm really away now
[06:39] <ajmitch> yes you have been added
[06:39] <ajmitch> I told you on IRC
[06:39] <ajmitch> and you don't get a password emailed to you
[06:40] <pschulz01> ajmitch, yes.
[06:40] <pschulz01> ajmitch, should I expect a password at some stage?
[06:41] <ajmitch> when you request it
[06:42] <pschulz01> Cna i please have a password?
[06:42] <ajmitch> I mean when you request it on REVU
[06:42] <pschulz01> Oh..
[06:42] <ajmitch> after your first successful upload..
[06:43] <pschulz01> :-) Thanks.. not clear from the wiki.
[06:45] <pschulz01> ajmitch, Sorry, it's perfectly clear.. I just can't read.
[08:08] <dholbach> good morning
[08:10] <Gloubiboulga> hi dholbach, hi kagou
[08:10] <kagou> hey Gloubiboulga  :)
[08:10] <dholbach> heya Gloubiboulga, kagou
[08:10] <dholbach> how are you guys?
[08:11] <kagou> morning dholbach
[08:11] <kagou> fine and you ?
[08:11] <Gloubiboulga> dholbach, good, thinking about Xubuntu edgy :)
[08:11] <Hobbsee> hey dholbach Gloubiboulga and kagou
[08:11] <Gloubiboulga> hey Hobbsee
[08:12] <Hobbsee> anyone know what my jabber password is?
[08:13] <dholbach> hey slomo
[08:13] <Hobbsee> kagou: nice :)
[08:13] <kagou> i'v installed and configured pbuilder/dput/mini-dinstall :)
[08:13] <slomo> hi dholbach :)
[08:14] <StevenK> Hobbsee: What's to wonder about, it's missing. :-P
[08:14] <Hobbsee> hehe
[08:14] <Hobbsee> my memory, too...
[08:17] <kagou> doing some works on packages for edgy (for photo team) ... and waiting now for the sync. i must learn more on packaging (patch integration and so on)
[08:18] <dholbach> kagou: Edgy will be your Cycle! :)
[08:18] <kagou> lol
[08:22] <kagou> someone can explain me what's the process for me to push a new package. this in the case where debian package is old, so i'v made a new fresh release.
[08:24] <dholbach> push where?
[08:24] <dholbach> kagou: to get it reviewed?
[08:25] <kagou> dholbach, push on edgy mirrors :)
[08:26] <Hobbsee> grr.  it's the early hours of the morning in the US.
[08:26] <dholbach> kagou: you can't just upload it like that
[08:26] <dholbach> kagou: you need to get it reviewed and then uploaded by someone in the keyring
[08:26] <dholbach> kagou: if you have a patch, then providing a debdiff is cool
[08:27] <dholbach> kagou: if it's a complete package you might want to get it reviewed on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/REVU
[08:28] <kagou> thanks dholbach.
[08:30] <kagou> lol -> "If you happen to enjoy Linux, but dislike Ubuntu, you probably regretted connecting to the Internet in the second half of the past week" -> http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20060605
[08:47] <ajmitch> alright..
[09:44] <Hobbsee> fds?
[10:11] <dholbach> hey schweeb
[10:11] <dholbach> schweeb: long time no see
[10:46] <zakame> hi all
[10:47] <ajmitch> hey zakame
[10:48] <zakame> hi ajmitch! how's network-auth? =)
[10:48] <ajmitch> getting there :)
[10:48] <ajmitch> how's your project going?
[10:48] <zakame> the same, figured out how to do cvs+rcs
[10:49] <ajmitch> ew
[10:49] <zakame> now I'm trying to port this modem-locking code (copied from C, apparently) to use Perl's flock :/
[10:50] <ajmitch> that doesn't sound nice :)
[10:51] <zakame> yeah :/ that's my project, being the janitor
[10:51] <ajmitch> ah
[10:51] <ajmitch> worthwhile, but no glory in it ;)
[10:52] <zakame> hehehe
[10:52] <zakame> learning a lot though, so I'm not worried about the glory
[10:52] <ajmitch> which is good :)
[10:53] <zakame> indeed :)
[11:05] <ajmitch> hm, new kernel works ok in vmware ;)
[11:10] <jsgotangco> ajmitch: he's supposed to resurrect an age-old myth called paging systems
[11:11] <ajmitch> explain
[11:12] <jsgotangco> when we were yet to be conceived by our parents, they used this contraption where they received numeric codes
[11:12] <jsgotangco> then it became alpha numeric
[11:12] <jsgotangco> heh
[11:14] <nawty> hiya, how do i request that a package is updated from debian ?
[11:24] <crimsun> nawty: are the ubuntu and debian versions identical?
[11:24] <crimsun> nawty: meaning, of course, that ubuntu's trails debian's but has no ubuntu-specific changes
[11:25] <nawty> crimsun: as far as i can see, yes.
[11:25] <crimsun> nawty: package?
[11:26] <nawty> crimsun: two of them, actually.
[11:26] <nawty> crimsun: xen-tools, and postfix-policyd.
[11:27] <crimsun> nawty: xen-tools will be autosynced. postfix-policyd has a ubuntu delta.
[11:27] <nawty> crimsun: any idea on the autosync timeframe?
[11:27] <ajmitch> nawty: they'll be synced into edgy
[11:27] <nawty> crimsun: aah, ok, how do i find out more information on the ubuntu changes for policyd.
[11:28] <crimsun> nawty: erm, well, edgy's not supposed to open until today or tomorrow
[11:28] <ajmitch> some packages *may* have a chance of getting into dapper-backports
[11:28] <ajmitch> I don't know if we've worked out any policy for that yet, it's on the TB agenda today
[11:28] <ajmitch> tuxmaniac: yay
[11:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> tuxmaniac, what lug?
[11:29] <nawty> crimsun: but edgy's going to well be, broken for a while.
[11:30] <crimsun> nawty: it's just a b-d specific change for libmysqlclient15-dev.
[11:30] <tuxmaniac> Indian Linux user group Chennai.
[11:30] <ajmitch> nawty: yep, it'll be great fun
[11:30] <tuxmaniac> Kamping_Kaiser: its just catching up
[11:30] <nawty> crimsun: so there's no chance of getting the updated package, that fixes bugs, into dapper ?
[11:30] <ajmitch> nawty: this is why it's important to get things into dapper before release
[11:30] <crimsun> nawty: of which package fixing which bug{,s}?
[11:30] <tuxmaniac> Kamping_Kaiser: will have a fitting climax when I plan to demo Dapper :-D
[11:30] <tuxmaniac> Kamping_Kaiser: in the next meet
[11:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> hehe
[11:31] <nawty> crimsun: policyd, i've just updated my bug :
[11:31] <nawty> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/postfix-policyd/+bug/36823/+index
[11:31] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 36823 in postfix-policyd "Update ? debian upstream much higher version..." [Normal,Confirmed] 
[11:32] <nawty> crimsun: have a squiz at the last comment.
[11:32] <crimsun> erm, I see only 1.61 as really valid...
[11:33] <ajmitch> & there's new functionality added between 1.55 (which we have) and 1.61
[11:33] <nawty> yes, that too.
[11:33] <crimsun> there's no clear delineation of what critical bugs are fixed, either, which makes -updates more difficult
[11:34] <nawty> well i'm running a source compiled version at the moment, because 1.55's changes were causing problems on my systems.
[11:34] <nawty> ubuntu's synced from unstable ?
[11:34] <crimsun> if the fixes can be backported to dapper's 1.55-1ubuntu1, then that would have a better chance of making it into -updates
[11:35] <crimsun> I think it's safe to assume that 1.73 isn't going into -updates, though.
[11:36] <nawty> and it's bad to use debian packages on an ubuntu system?
[11:36] <crimsun> nawty: building a source package is 100% fine
[11:36] <crimsun> dropping binaries from pool, though, can cause furry rabbit death
[11:38] <crimsun> holy backlog in -devel
[11:38] <nawty> crimsun: so should i not bother filing bug reports against old pcakages ?
[11:39] <ajmitch> you can, but post-release updates have to be considered carefully
[11:39] <crimsun> nawty: it's worth filing them if you can provide a debdiff against current $stable source packages
[11:44] <crimsun> ah, I see, it's the ole bleeding edge naming vs. stable naming and "but more time == fewer bugs" arguments.
[11:48] <ajmitch> the same old discussion
[11:48] <ajmitch> I think I should install debian
[11:48] <ajmitch> (in vmware)
[11:49] <ajmitch> hm
[11:49] <ajmitch> hopefully edgy will open soon & get gcc-4.1
[11:49] <ajmitch> I think it's sitting ready
[11:58] <Toadstool> hi everybody
[01:39] <ajmitch> crackful
[01:39] <ajmitch> cd lib/libadminutil;    gmake BUILD_OPT=1 NSPR_BASENAME= USE_PTHREADS=1 SECURITY=domestic MOZILLA_SOURCE_ROOT_EXT= ICU_SOURCE_ROOT_EXT= USE_64=1
[01:39] <ajmitch> /bin/sh: gmake: command not found
[01:40] <ajmitch> I see, manoj's decision
[01:49] <Mithrandir> also s/;/&&/
[01:52] <ajmitch> yeah, I thought I'd try out dsbuild for fedora directory server
[01:52] <ajmitch> breaks all over
[01:54] <zul> heylo
[01:54] <ajmitch> hi
[03:34] <Toadstool> hi lucas, sorry to bother you again with http://tiber.tauware.de/~lucas/versions/ but there's another little issue :)
[03:34] <lucas> yes ?
[03:35] <Toadstool> lucas: the changelog links all point to pool/universe even for main packages
[03:35] <lucas> yup
[03:35] <lucas> but there's no way to determine where a package comes from currently
[03:35] <Toadstool> ok :)
[03:35] <Toadstool> thanks anyway
[03:42] <ch34ter> why does my bash history fill with stupid commands like this one: cd "`echo -e '\057home\057dx\064\065\067\060\062\067\063\061\063\064\067\066\056OLD'`"? and how do i fix this?
[03:44] <Kyral> Morning
[03:44] <Hobbsee> hey Kyral
[03:44] <Kyral> Is it just me or did siretart become a AM :P
[03:45] <Hobbsee> a AM?
[03:45] <Kyral> something Maintainer in Debian
[03:46] <Kyral> not a full on Maintainer, but like a new maintainer
[03:46] <Mithrandir> Application Manager
[03:46] <Kyral> Check the Debian-NewMaint list
[03:47] <Hobbsee> oh
[03:49] <Kyral> You have NO Idea how many MLs I lurk on :D
[03:50] <Hobbsee> Kyral: i'm sure i dont want to know :p
[03:51] <siretart> Kyral: I'm not a DD yet, but that could happen quite soon, right
[03:52] <Kyral> Lesse....Arch's, Dapper Changes (guess that is dead now), Debian Announce, Ubuntu Announce, Debian Mentors, Debian NewMaint, Debian News, Debian Science, The Linux Kernel Mailing List, Ubuntu Devel, Ubuntu Users, Ubuntu Doc, Ubuntu Kernel, Ubuntu Motu, Ubuntu Science, Universe Bugs, Xen Users
[03:53] <Kyral> siretart: Ah I just noticed your name when I was skimming the ML
[03:53] <Hobbsee> ick, scary!
[03:53] <Kyral> LKML is funny sometimes
[03:53] <Kyral> like Linus' announcement of 2.6.17-rc5
[03:54] <Kyral> "Hey guys, I said there wouldn't be another -rc, but I lied!"
[03:56] <Kyral> lol Multiplayer Spreadsheets
[04:28] <shannon> why isn't foldingathome in the repos?
[04:28] <Hobbsee> er...because no one has packaged it?
[04:29] <shannon> Well -- I know that, but it says in the wiki that it could not be packaged because it had to be obtained from stanford university --
[04:30] <imbrandon> probbly a lic issue then
[04:30] <shannon> why can't a copy from their site be put in a .deb?
[04:30] <shannon> maybe so
[04:30] <Hobbsee> probably requires a click thru licence or something.  which is a pain
[04:31] <shannon__> You actually do not have to see the liscence
[04:32] <imbrandon> is it compatable with the gpl though
[04:32] <shannon__> it's just fed through less in one of the bash installers
[04:32] <shannon__> no
[04:32] <imbrandon> thats the reason
[04:32] <imbrandon> ;)
[04:32] <shannon__> but why not put it in restricted or multiverse or somewhere?
[04:33] <imbrandon> probbly becouse no one has done it ;)
[04:33] <shannon__> hum
[04:33] <shannon__> I'mnot much of a packager
[04:33] <ch34ter> why does my bash history fill with stupid commands like this one: cd "`echo -e '\057home\057dx\064\065\067\060\062\067\063\061\063\064\067\066\056OLD'`"? and how do i fix this?
[04:34] <Hobbsee> ch34ter: er...did you type it in?
[04:34] <ch34ter> Hobbsee: not at all!
[04:34] <Hobbsee> odd...
[04:34] <shannon__> ch34ter: perhaps another program>
[04:34] <ch34ter> Hobbsee: i suspect this is from some bash script made by the ubuntu team
[04:35] <shannon__> ch34ter: hiw often is it in the history?
[04:35] <ch34ter> shannon__: which other program could it be? and why didn't it do the same in breezy?
[04:35] <shannon__> ch34ter: no idea, I just know that 99% of people do not speak unicode
[04:35] <ch34ter> shannon__: quite often. almost every session. as though it's some bash.rc script
[04:36] <shannon__> ch34ter: less ./.bashrc
[04:36] <imbrandon> have you tried to cat the files and grep for it , seeing where it comes from ?
[04:37] <imbrandon> shannon__: my plate is kinda full today and tomarrow but i would be happy to look at packaging it up for edgy if everyting checks out lic wise , drop me an email imbrandon@kubuntu.org to remind me and i'll look at it later this week
[04:37] <ch34ter> imbrandon: what could determine bash translate everything to unicode before saving it to its history?
[04:38] <shannon__> imbrandon: okay -- if it's lic is not terrible, I'll e-mail ya
[04:38] <imbrandon> ch34ter: no idea honestly , have toy checked in #ubuntu ? wider audiance
[04:38] <imbrandon> s/toy/you
[04:39] <ch34ter> imbrandon: way too wide.
[04:41] <havoc> ch34ter: grp -Hnris "echo \-e" ~/
[04:42] <havoc> that should get you started
[04:42] <havoc> grep -Hnris "echo \-e.*057home" ~/
[04:42] <ch34ter> havoc: what is grp?
[04:42] <ch34ter> oh
[04:42] <havoc> typo :)
[04:44] <ch34ter> does it look like unicode?
[04:44] <havoc> no idea, I don't use unicode at all
[04:46] <shannon__> imbrandon: I read the license - Legally. you have to wget a copy from stanford for each computer, and have permission from the owner of the computer.
[04:46] <imbrandon> shannon__: thats why its not packaged then ;)
[04:47] <shannon__> Thanks anyway!
[05:04] <bddebian> Heya gang
[05:04] <tseng> hi
[05:05] <bddebian> Hi tseng
[05:08] <zul> bddebian: nervous yet..heh heh
[05:08] <bddebian> Nah, let them laugh at me
[05:10] <bddebian> No way d00d
[05:13] <Kyral_FreeBSD> Whats going on?
[05:17] <Kyral_FreeBSD> bddebian going before the TB or something?
[05:20] <bddebian> Kyral_FreeBSD: Yes
[05:20] <Kyral_FreeBSD> Go for it my Hurd Freak Friend :D
[05:20] <bddebian> Heh
[05:21] <Kyral_FreeBSD> Actually right now I'm filling out the form to have this little program I wrote listed in the Free Software Directory
[05:21] <bddebian> Cool
[05:55] <slomo> bddebian: nervous? why should you be nervous? ;)
[06:01] <kagou> commenting dh_strip is it enough to obtain a package with debug information ?
[06:01] <kagou> commenting in rules of course
[06:03] <slomo> kagou: DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS="nostrip debug noopt" should do it too for most packages
[06:03] <Sp4rKy> hi motus
[06:04] <kagou> slomo: with this no need to comment out dh_strip, right ?
[06:05] <slomo> kagou: right... dh_strip doesn't strip binaries if you have nostrip in DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS
[06:05] <slomo> noopt disabled optimizations for some packages
[06:06] <slomo> and debug is used in some packages for stuff like --enable-debug for configure
[06:06] <kagou> slomo: last question : i build with pbuilder, how to use   DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS="nostrip debug noopt" ?
[06:06] <slomo> no idea ;) i guess pbuilder inherits the environment variables from it's executing shell
[06:07] <kagou> i hope so :)
[06:07] <slomo> and then there's --debbuildopts
[06:23] <Sp4rKy> please, i'm packing my first package (yersinia) , so i do many mistakes, and each dput update send mail :/ Does exist some way to pre-valid my package ?
[06:23] <Sp4rKy> pbuilder and lintian are ok
[06:24] <Erlang> well, if pbuilder and lintian are okay
[06:25] <Sp4rKy> can i dput it ?
[06:28] <Erlang> Sp4rKy: You can dput it on REVU yeah.
[06:28] <zul> put it on revu
[06:28] <Sp4rKy> ok, thx
[06:28] <Sp4rKy> just a last check :)
[06:28] <Sp4rKy> Gloubiboulga help me a lot for this package, so i think it's good
[06:31] <Erlang> Sp4rKy: It'll get checked on REVU.  Most of the package review cannot be automated.
[06:31] <Erlang> Sp4rKy: as for automation, you can also try linda, and piuparts
[06:33] <Sp4rKy> oups, i'd put dapper and not edgy into the changelog
[06:33] <bddebian> slomo: Because I suck? :-)
[06:36] <Tonio_> hi all
[06:39] <Sp4rKy> hi again
[06:39] <Sp4rKy> i've some issue during the dput action
[06:39] <Sp4rKy> i've this error message
[06:39] <Sp4rKy> Uploading via ftp yersinia_0.5.6-0ubuntu1.dsc: Error '553 Could not create file.' during ftp transfer of yersinia_0.5.6-0ubuntu1.dsc
[06:40] <Sp4rKy> Toadstool says me than i should talk with sirestart or sistpoty for manual delete
[06:40] <bddebian> Heya Tonio_
[06:41] <LaserJock> Sp4rKy: did you send a signed email the keyring@tiber.tauware.de?
[06:42] <Sp4rKy> LaserJock, i'm a neebie in packaging , so i don't really know what i must do if there is issues :/
[06:42] <LaserJock> Sp4rKy: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU
[06:43] <Toadstool> LaserJock: yes he already did and already uploaded as well
[06:43] <LaserJock> hmm
[06:43] <Sp4rKy> LaserJock, it's the first mail for account create i think , ok i did it and i did already uploaded yersinia
[06:44] <Sp4rKy> Toadstool, :)
[06:44] <LaserJock> Sp4rKy: ok, but did you get a reply to your email?
[06:44] <Sp4rKy> LaserJock, yes of course
[06:44] <Sp4rKy> and i 'd uploaded some packages without any bug
[06:45] <Toadstool> Sp4rKy: argh, go to go... I hope you'll find out what's wrong ;)
[06:45] <Toadstool> cya
[06:45] <LaserJock> hmm
[06:45] <Sp4rKy> Toadstool, thx , 'later
[06:45] <Sp4rKy> http://pastebin.com/762712
[06:46] <Sp4rKy> that is the messages out by dupt
[06:48] <jabra> can someone help me package a perl module
[06:49] <LaserJock> jabra: how far have you gotten?
[06:49] <slomo> bddebian: bah, you don't :P
[06:50] <jabra> think I have a good place to start http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/78
[06:50] <jabra> i'll let you know when I have questions
[06:52] <Sp4rKy> LaserJock, do i use dcut ?
[06:52] <LaserJock> Sp4rKy: you don't, I don't think
[06:52] <Sp4rKy> LaserJock, or send an email to the motu mailist ?
[06:53] <Sp4rKy> or just wait sirestart or sispoty come back
[06:53] <LaserJock> you could email admin AT tiber.tauware.de
[06:54] <LaserJock> oh wait, just a sec
[06:54] <LaserJock> Sp4rKy: what version did you upload
[06:55] <Sp4rKy> LaserJock, version of yersinia ? 0.5.6 , it's an update
[06:55] <LaserJock> ok, I see it on REVU
[06:56] <Sp4rKy> ok
[06:56] <Sp4rKy> but i think the update you see is wrong
[06:56] <Sp4rKy> here is the good update i've jsute packaged
[06:56] <Sp4rKy> but don't uploaded yet
[06:56] <LaserJock> I mean there are quite a few uploads
[06:57] <LaserJock> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2369
[06:57] <Sp4rKy> yes i know, i'm sorry about thaat
[06:57] <Sp4rKy> i've made many corrections yesterday with Gloubiboulga
[06:58] <Sp4rKy> and uploaded the package each time :/
[06:58] <jabra> i'm gettin debuild not found
[06:58] <jabra> i'm I doing something wrong?
[06:58] <LaserJock> jabra: install devscript
[06:58] <jabra> k
[06:58] <LaserJock> devscripts actually, I think
[07:00] <Kyral_FreeBSD> Tell me when the party is guys :P
[07:00] <bddebian> It's always a party here
[07:00] <LaserJock> all here, all the time
[07:00] <Kyral_FreeBSD> I meant for bddebian getting Core Dev :P
[07:01] <bddebian> Oh, he's not going :-)
[07:01] <Kyral_FreeBSD> lol
[07:01] <LaserJock> oh, well I'm sure we can start partying now :-)
[07:01] <Kyral_FreeBSD> I think if the TB declines him, we have to mutiny
[07:01] <zul> part...of...funeral
[07:01] <zul> doh...party or funeral? :)
[07:02] <Sp4rKy> LaserJock, any idea about what must i do ?
[07:02] <Kyral_FreeBSD> oh should I be lazy and ask someone to package shcd for me or... lol
[07:02] <Kyral_FreeBSD> Wait is MuttNG in the repos?
[07:03] <Erlang> MuttNG? I like how that sounds.
[07:03] <LaserJock> Sp4rKy: your sure that the lasted upload is not the one you want? and you used dput -f ?
[07:03] <Kyral_FreeBSD> yes, it means the Next Generation of the venerable Mutt client
[07:04] <Kyral_FreeBSD> Long time no blog update LJ :P
[07:04] <LaserJock> Kyral_FreeBSD: because I've been actually working :-)
[07:04] <Kyral_FreeBSD> So have I!!!
[07:04] <LaserJock> Kyral_FreeBSD: I'll get to it in time
[07:04] <Kyral_FreeBSD> Jeez....
[07:05] <Sp4rKy> LaserJock, there is an issue in the latest upload (look at the diff.gz , is about 19k) and yes i'd used dput - f
[07:05] <LaserJock> hmm, I'm really not sure what is going on
[07:06] <Sp4rKy> LaserJock, :/
[07:06] <LaserJock> but I'm not an expert with REVU, I've only used it a couple times
[07:07] <Sp4rKy> ok
[07:07] <jabra> ok two thing I need to add libxml-twig do I add that after perl (>= 5.8.0-7)
[07:07] <jabra> things
[07:07] <Sp4rKy> so i'll wait sirestart /sispoty
[07:07] <jabra> second the tests need sudo to run the tests
[07:09] <LaserJock> Sp4rKy: or email REVU admins (which is siretart and sistpoty and a few others)
[07:10] <Sp4rKy> LaserJock, admin AT tiber.tauware.de ?
[07:10] <LaserJock> I think so it is on the REVU wiki page as well
[07:10] <crimsun> bddebian: pssht, you had better :-)
[07:10] <Sp4rKy> :)
[07:16] <jabra> i'll work on this after my class
[07:18] <Sp4rKy> LaserJock, i've send an email , thx :)
[07:19] <LaserJock> Sp4rKy: sorry I wasn't more help, you are the second person to have the problem I think
[07:20] <Sp4rKy> LaserJock, ok , thx for your help !
[07:21] <Sp4rKy> another question, must i use dh_python for a python prgoram ?
[07:22] <LaserJock> no
[07:22] <LaserJock> but it is handy
[07:22] <LaserJock> you can take a look at what it does to the postinst scripts
[07:24] <bddebian> crimsun: I had better what? :-)
[07:30] <crimsun> bddebian: get core-dev, durh :p
[07:31] <bddebian> Bah :-)
[07:31] <bddebian> wb tuxmaniac
[07:32] <tuxmaniac> bddebian: hi
[07:33] <tuxmaniac> from tomorrow
[07:34] <NthDegree> :)
[07:35] <LaserJock> tuxmaniac: have fun :-)
[07:45] <NthDegree> how do you erase a DVD?
[07:45] <NthDegree> me forgot#
[07:48] <ogra> NthDegree, #ubuntu
[07:49] <Kyral_FreeBSD> cat NthDegree >> /dev/net/irc/freenode/#ubuntu
[07:53] <NthDegree> lol
[07:56] <lucas> while reading linux journal, I'm amazed at the number of writers using (k)ubuntu
[07:56] <lucas> really impressive
[07:56] <hub> lucas: the editor in chief has a thing against Gnome
[07:57] <NthDegree> i use kubuntu :D
[07:57] <hub> and I'm amazed also to still find too much Windows or MacOS X screenshots
[07:57] <lucas> yes, and so many articles about running windows apps using wine or qemu ;)
[07:58] <NthDegree> hub, well I say Mac OS X is just an expensive RHEL with wierd looking GNOME :P
[07:58] <hub> NthDegree: it is NON-FREE
[07:58] <lucas> NthDegree: it also happens to be proprietary software
[07:58] <LaserJock> NthDegree: hehe, not exactly
[07:58] <lucas> with sharewares with the author picture in them etc :)
[07:58] <NthDegree> i know that mac is proprietary
[07:58] <LaserJock> I'm running OS X right now and it doesn't seem like RHEL
[07:58] <NthDegree> but X isn't
[07:59] <hub> NthDegree: but the X in MacOS X does not mean X11
[07:59] <NthDegree> LaserJock, go on RHEL and give it a mac theme :)
[07:59] <hub> it means 10
[07:59] <NthDegree> or even better CentOS
[08:00] <LaserJock> NthDegree: but the apps are totally different, the functionallity is totally different, the package management is totally different
[08:00] <NthDegree> LaserJock but the whole point of OS X is it's X compatibility
[08:00] <hub> LaserJock: there is a package management>
[08:00] <hub> NthDegree: NO
[08:00] <hub> NthDegree: it is not at all
[08:01] <hub> NthDegree: they put X just to compete with Sun
[08:01] <hub> NthDegree: and eventually Windows
[08:01] <NthDegree> what's the point in getting the OS X when you can get mac classic
[08:01] <hub> (that have commercial solution)
[08:01] <hub> NthDegree: it is #ubuntu-motu here
[08:01] <hub> not #mac-zealotery
[08:01] <NthDegree> yep i forgot :|
[08:02] <LaserJock> who is the mac zealot?
[08:02] <NthDegree> you :P
[08:02] <LaserJock> oh
[08:02] <LaserJock> :-)
[08:02] <LaserJock> I just like it
[08:02] <hub> NthDegree: btw, learn things before show ridiculous arguements like that
[08:02] <LaserJock> I wouldn't say I'm a zealot about it
[08:03] <NthDegree> 1st of all Mac uses UNIX (Darwin I think) it also uses bits that other OSes worked hard on making
[08:03] <NthDegree> and they charge for it :| so ridiculous don't you think?
[08:04] <NthDegree> anyways nvm about mac, we got good ol' ubuntu which is much better :)
[08:04] <LaserJock> not particularly, but whatever. this probably is very OT and prone to getting us off course :-)
[08:05] <LaserJock> I'm personall very impressed with OSX and actually use it more than Ubuntu (not of my own choosing)
[08:06] <NthDegree> one thing that annoys me though is the AMD64 side of things, ubuntu has the best AMD64 (especially k8) support around
[08:07] <NthDegree> fedora, windows, mac, RHEL etc. have poor x86_64 support
[08:07] <hub> NthDegree: why Mac? Apple don't even have 64bit hardware
[08:07] <NthDegree> yet ubuntu seems to have the most pure 64bit stable packages around
[08:08] <NthDegree> hub: Mac support intel chips now
[08:08] <NthDegree> and regular PCs
[08:08] <hub> NthDegree: and they don't have 64bits hardware, and MacOS do NOT run on regular PC
[08:08] <NthDegree> but they are a couple of generations behind
[08:08] <hub> NthDegree: stop your trolls please
[08:08] <phanatic> hi people
[08:08] <NthDegree> hub: they do, I know a few people with regular PCs using Mac
[08:09] <hub> NthDegree: NO
[08:09] <NthDegree> ???
[08:09] <LaserJock> ok guys lets quite it down a bit
[08:10] <LaserJock> quiet even
[08:10] <NthDegree> http://www.thinksecret.com/news/0506intelmac.html < FACT
[08:11] <hub> NthDegree: *right*. you are a troll
[08:12] <NthDegree> how can you say that?
[08:12] <LaserJock> NthDegree: As for installing Mac OS X on non-Apple hardware, attempts to boot from the included Mac OS X for Intel disc resulted in an error message on both a Dell and off-brand PC
[08:12] <hub> NthDegree: MacOS X does NOT run on non Apple hardware. that is a fact. what you are saying is just gossips based on a prerelease software designed to run on stock PC
[08:13] <hub> NthDegree: because there was no hardware, in order to allow developers to transition
[08:13] <hub> NthDegree: but none of these concern Ubuntu, so what is the story?
[08:14] <lucas> NthDegree: if you could run it on your hardware, would you run OS X instead of ubuntu ?
[08:14] <NthDegree> i wouldn't
[08:14] <NthDegree> OS X sucks
[08:14] <LaserJock> although I can't wait to be able to run Ubuntu on this iMac
[08:14] <hub> NthDegree: so why are you advertising it?
[08:14] <NthDegree> :|
[08:14] <NthDegree> i'm not advertising it
[08:14] <NthDegree> who said that i think it's good
[08:15] <hub> you started non-sense troll here
[08:15] <NthDegree> no
[08:15] <NthDegree> i never started talking about mac 1st of all
[08:15] <NthDegree> i wasn't the person who talked about it at 1st
 hub, well I say Mac OS X is just an expensive RHEL with wierd looking GNOME :P <- you started the troll
[08:16] <NthDegree> ok maybe, but that's because I hate Mac too much
[08:16] <LaserJock> ok, well lets just calm it down
[08:17] <hub> and then you continued with incorrect information
[08:17] <hub> while we said that it was already OT
[08:17] <bddebian> Or at least please move it to #ubuntu-offtopic?
[08:17] <hub> bddebian: yeah
[08:17] <NthDegree> no they even share a non-ppc copy of it on piratebay
[08:17] <LaserJock> NthDegree: just because it is i386 doesn't mean it runs on a normal PC
[08:18] <LaserJock> NthDegree: and please drop it for now
[08:18] <LaserJock> it really isn't adding to our general conversation
[08:18] <NthDegree> ok :(
[08:18] <LaserJock> A general statment or 2 isn't a problem
[08:19] <LaserJock> but to go on and on about something like that really isn't going to get you anywhere
[08:19] <NthDegree> i suppose
[08:20] <LaserJock> lots of people us Windows, OS X, and Ubuntu all the time and are happy with all of them for one reason or another
[08:21] <NthDegree> hahaha
[08:23] <NthDegree> so anyway, now that i've probably made half of you fall asleep :( shall we get back to talking about motu stuff
[08:23] <LaserJock> hehe
[08:25] <NthDegree> i still have to set up my goddamn dchroot on both ubuntu and kubuntu
[08:26] <LaserJock> chroots are a wonderfull thing
[08:26] <NthDegree> i agree
[08:26] <highvoltage> they so are
[08:26] <NthDegree> but do they really make good jails as they say?
[08:27] <NthDegree> imbrandon i think it's under debootstrap
[08:27] <highvoltage> well, there are tools like jailer for that
[08:27] <NthDegree> search that on the ubuntu site
[08:27] <imbrandon> NthDegree: heh well that means nothing to me so far becouse i havent ever setup a normal chroot either ;)
[08:28] <NthDegree> i have
[08:28] <imbrandon> NthDegree: yea planed on it
[08:28] <NthDegree> but i want it to work on both my ubuntu and kubuntu
[08:28] <NthDegree> i made a separate patition for mine
[08:28] <imbrandon> just gonna wait till after the meeting incase i break my system i've got irc till then ;)
[08:28] <LaserJock> imbrandon: DebootstrapChroot has a section on setting up a chroot 32 bit
[08:28] <imbrandon> kk LaserJock
[08:29] <NthDegree> LaserJock will a chroot allow you to execute X apps
[08:29] <LaserJock> yes
[08:29] <NthDegree> what like 32 bit ones?
[08:29] <LaserJock> I run a full Ubuntu install in one of mine
[08:29] <imbrandon> nice
[08:30] <NthDegree> i want to use chroot to update my ubuntu and kubuntu to the same time
[08:30] <LaserJock> ?
[08:30] <NthDegree> and make a dev environment for packages too
[08:30] <NthDegree> well think of it this way
[08:30] <NthDegree> I have 1 partition for ubuntu and another for kubuntu
[08:30] <imbrandon> i mostly just want it so i can build i386 pkgs without rebooting into my 32bit buntu and also w32codecs dont play nice unless in a chrrot on 64bit buntu i have heard
[08:31] <LaserJock> imbrandon: should work for that
[08:31] <hub> why 2 partitions?
[08:31] <NthDegree> because i don't like mixing DEs
[08:31] <Sp4rKy> LaserJock,  yersinia was dputed :) thx for your help
[08:31] <LaserJock> Sp4rKy: ok, cool
[08:31] <NthDegree> i have a /var/chroot partition too :)
[08:31] <hub> btw, what goes in dapper-updates?
[08:31] <imbrandon> hub: i do the same thing, so they dont mix , i actualy have 4 partitions currently , a 32bit ubuntu 32bit kubuntu and a 64bit of each
[08:31] <Ubugtu> Ubuntu bug 32 in 3270 "3270: 5250 emulation code, all rights reserved" [Normal,Resolved: notwarty]  http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=32
[08:32] <hub> imbrandon: I only have one
[08:32] <LaserJock> hub: very important updates ?
[08:32] <hub> imbrandon: and I use the most aproriate
[08:32] <NthDegree> hub: udates are for less important update
[08:32] <hub> LaserJock: define very important
[08:32] <NthDegree> security-updates are patches
[08:32] <LaserJock> hub: whatever mdz thinks is important
[08:32] <hub> ah ok
[08:32] <hub> at least that defines correctly
[08:33] <NthDegree> hub, updates are like say for updating kde 3.5.1 to 3.5.2
[08:33] <NthDegree> and the security updates are patches for like 3.5.1
[08:33] <LaserJock> well, I'ts a little sketchy for me at the moment
[08:33] <LaserJock> NthDegree: not exactly
[08:34] <LaserJock> NthDegree: -security is for security fixes -updates is for non-security but important updates
[08:34] <NthDegree> updates are for latest bits
[08:34] <LaserJock> kind of
[08:34] <NthDegree> because say debian they stick to one version of KDE for each release
[08:34] <NthDegree> or one version of FireFox
[08:34] <NthDegree> and patch them
[08:35] <imbrandon> anyone having trubble bringing up the url http://www.vmware.com/vmwarestore/newstore/vserverbeta_download.jsp or is it just me
[08:35] <NthDegree> no that's free imbrandon
[08:35] <NthDegree> until it is no longer beta
[08:35] <LaserJock> NthDegree: backports is more what you are talking about
[08:35] <NthDegree> i know lol
[08:35] <NthDegree> but edgy isn't even beta yet so you know
[08:36] <imbrandon> NthDegree: i know the costs etc , i just cant get to the url atm, i got to it on my other box like 5 sec ago
[08:37] <NthDegree> vmware server isn't worth it
[08:37] <LaserJock> NthDegree: ? -security is for security fixes, -updates are for important updates, -backports if for whatever else that meets the backports policy
[08:37] <Sp4rKy> i've a new question
[08:37] <Sp4rKy> i'm packaging a python software named devede.py , but it should be located to /usr/bin/devede (without the .py)
[08:38] <LaserJock> right
[08:38] <NthDegree> Sp4rKy it's not compiled yet i don't think
[08:38] <NthDegree> that may be why
[08:38] <Sp4rKy> what must i do , modify theoriginal filename or rename the file after it has been moved to /usr/bin
[08:38] <NthDegree> Sp4rKy just use the normal method of packaging
[08:39] <NthDegree> it should make it correctly
[08:39] <LaserJock> imbrandon: doesn't work for me, it's just sitting there
[08:39] <Sp4rKy> i thought the name mustn't contain any extension
[08:39] <LaserJock> Sp4rKy: you can move it around after it is intalled
[08:39] <Sp4rKy> ok
[08:39] <Sp4rKy> thx
[08:40] <NthDegree> Sp4rKy, it is in source form right?
[08:40] <LaserJock> Sp4rKy: in debian/rules if the source installs it with the .py
[08:40] <Sp4rKy> yes
[08:41] <imbrandon> thanks LaserJock i was going nuts lol
[09:09] <jabra> ok so I can run perl Makefile.PL; make; make test and works fine when I run debuild one of the tests says operating not permitted
[09:10] <mark_> hey everyone
[09:10] <LaserJock> hi mark_
[09:10] <bddebian> Hello mark_
[09:10] <mark_> i need some masterful help.. =)
[09:10] <mark_> first off IM a newb..windows xp hating newb..
[09:11] <mark_> so last night was my first ever install of linx (ubuntu)
[09:11] <mark_> anyone here wanna helpme?
[09:12] <LaserJock> mark_: #ubuntu is the support channel
[09:12] <_ion> With developing Ubuntu packages?
[09:12] <jabra> LaserJock: thoughts?
[09:12] <mark_> ohh oops
[09:12] <mark_> sorry!
[09:12] <LaserJock> jabra: hmm
[09:13] <jabra> obviously I don't wanta have to sure sudo to build it
[09:15] <LaserJock> jabra: can you paste the complete debuild run to a pastebin?
[09:15] <jabra> sure do you want one manually done with perl Makefile.PL; make ; make test as well?
[09:16] <LaserJock> nah
[09:17] <jabra> k
[09:17] <jabra> "] 
[09:17] <jabra> http://pastebin.com/763141
[09:20] <LaserJock> jabra: are you using pbuilder to build it?
[09:20] <jabra> naw
[09:20] <jabra> do I have too?
[09:20] <jabra> I really haven't setup pbuilder yet
[09:20] <LaserJock> it's a good idea, but you don't *have* to
[09:22] <LaserJock> jabra: I really don't know any perl so I'm not sure what that error means
[09:22] <jabra> it means it needs privs to run the test
[09:22] <jabra> though I can do it manually without failing
[09:23] <LaserJock> I'm not sure why that would be
[09:23] <jabra> I dunno
[09:24] <LaserJock> well, that's annoying
[09:24] <jabra> ya definatly
[09:27] <jabra> LaserJock: know anyone who could help me
[09:29] <theCore> why Mono cannot be included into the Install CD? too big?
[09:29] <jabra> if I do it with sudo can I still submit it for review?
[09:30] <crimsun> theCore: among other reasons
[09:30] <crimsun> theCore: I don't know /the/ reason, though
[09:30] <LaserJock> jabra: I don't think sudo would help, have you tried it?
[09:31] <LaserJock> crimsun: hehe, cause somebody forgot to write the spec? ;-)
[09:31] <jabra> it  gets around that test
[09:31] <LaserJock> weird
[09:32] <LaserJock> so sudo works but fakeroot doesn't
[09:32] <_ion> Just patch it to skip the test. :-)
[09:32] <jabra> I dunno
[09:34] <theCore> crimsun: ok, thanks
[09:48] <jabra> LaserJock: could you help me some of the lintian bugs
[09:49] <LaserJock> maybe, I'm not doing so good with helping today :-)
[09:49] <jabra> what do you mean
[09:49] <LaserJock> well, I didn't fix the last thing you wanted help on
[09:50] <LaserJock> I'm suprised you still want me to help ;-)
[09:50] <jabra> I have a much of errors from lintian
[09:50] <jabra> any that you can help me with I would appreciate
[09:50] <jabra> I really need this module packaged
[09:50] <LaserJock> pastebin them and I'll tell you which one you can ignore
[09:50] <jabra> k
[09:51] <jabra> http://pastebin.com/763240
[09:53] <LaserJock> jabra: ok, the first W: is due to the Standards-Version line in debian/control
[09:53] <ogra> use lintian -i next time :)
[09:53] <LaserJock> yeah, that too
[09:54] <jabra> it hasn't created the package yet
[09:54] <jabra> that is with debuild
[09:54] <LaserJock> jabra: you can run lintian -i on the .dsc file
[09:54] <ogra> in fact you should :)
[09:54] <jabra> should be libnmap-parser-perlubuntu
[09:55] <LaserJock> ?
[09:55] <LaserJock> ogra: I usually forget since I look at the lintian run debuild does
[09:56] <ogra> jabra, you mean the second line? that indicates a broken orig.taz.gz naming
[09:56] <ogra> *tar
[09:56] <jabra> ya
[09:56] <ogra> LaserJock, well i also only do it with new packages i must admit :)
[09:57] <jabra> how do I fix the first warning?
[09:57] <LaserJock> jabra: use 3.6.2 for Standards-Version
[09:58] <jabra> k
[10:00] <jabra> ok fixed that warning
[10:00] <jabra> the 2nd should be libnmap-parser-perl-ubuntu for source in control?
[10:01] <ogra> the second indicates a wrong naming scheme for your orig.tar
[10:01] <ogra> .gz
[10:01] <ogra> fix that and it will go away
[10:02] <jabra> and the errors?
[10:13] <siretart> hi folks
[10:13] <phanatic> hi siretart
[10:13] <siretart> huhu phanatic
[10:13] <pygi> hey phanatic, siretart ;)
[10:13] <crimsun> thanks guys :)   [didn't want to clutter #-meeting] 
[10:14] <dholbach> crimsun: you rock!
[10:14] <siretart> crimsun: absolutely!
[10:14] <phanatic> crimsun: congrats, keep on the great work you've done so far :)
[10:14] <pygi> crimsun, once again congrats ;)
[10:16] <jabra> anyone know a good perl module I can model this thing after?
[10:16] <LaserJock> freaking heck, I forgot
[10:18] <LaserJock> crimsun!!!!
[10:45] <Sp4rKy> how could i rename a file after dh_install ?
[10:47] <bddebian> mv
[10:47] <Sp4rKy> but when , during build-install step ? (just after dh_install) ?
[10:48] <bddebian> Sure
[10:49] <Sp4rKy> bddebian, seems to don't work :/
[10:50] <bddebian> What happens?
[10:50] <phanatic> seems to be a packaging session going on @ #-meeting :)
[10:50] <LaserJock> hehe
[10:51] <Sp4rKy> mv /usr/bin/devede.py /usr/bin/devede
[10:51] <Sp4rKy> mv: cannot stat `/usr/bin/devede.py': No such file or directory
[10:51] <bddebian> Ah.. Not /usr
[10:51] <bddebian>  You need to put in under the debian build tree
[10:51] <bddebian>  Like debian/<package>/usr/bin/
[10:54] <Sp4rKy> oups
[10:54] <Sp4rKy> ok
[10:55] <LaserJock> hmm, seems like mdz is in the offering mood today
[10:56] <phanatic> LaserJock: indeed :) no wonder, he's release manager, so nothing to do after release :D
[10:56] <LaserJock> hehe
[11:00] <pygi> crimsun, another patch ;)
[11:08] <bddebian> Time to head home, later folks
[11:08] <bddebian> Congrats again crimsun
[11:09] <Sp4rKy> bddebian, http://pastebin.com/763434
[11:09] <crimsun> bddebian: danke
[11:09] <Sp4rKy> here is the dpkg-buildpackage -S -sa output
[11:10] <bddebian> Sp4rKy: You need to do it well before dh_installdeb.
[11:10] <Sp4rKy> ouch, ok
[11:10] <bddebian> Anyway, I have to run, good luck
[11:10] <Sp4rKy> ok thx
[11:10] <Sp4rKy> good bye
[11:13] <crimsun> siretart: excellent, I'll apply too so we can have more coverage for u-b
[11:13] <siretart> crimsun: superb!
[11:13] <LaserJock> I will too
[11:13] <LaserJock> or maybe not, if you have to be a core-dev
[11:13] <siretart> the team is restricted, so we need to catch jdong on irc to change it to moderated
[11:14] <LaserJock> I'd like to help anyway
[11:14] <Kyral_FreeBSD> if bddebian has Core-Dev then I know who to go for HURD uploads :P
[11:15] <lucas> siretart, LaserJock: great ! /me didn't really enjoy his interactions with u-b during dapper cycle ;)
[11:16] <siretart> lucas: you mean jdongs? I think he was rather frustrated that things didn't go like he wanted..
[11:16] <siretart> s/rather/a bit/
[11:16] <Sp4rKy> sorry for inconvenience , but i have always the same issues
[11:16] <lucas> yeah
[11:16] <crimsun> the new policy should smooth things out considerably since three of us are core-dev
[11:16] <lucas> maybe more communication with -core-dev would have helped
[11:17] <feilex> hi - i would like to chat to ( mark ) sabdfl - is he still around? - I have an internet security question
[11:17] <siretart> I didn't know that {dapper,breezy}-updates was supposed open for uploads at all
[11:17] <ogra> lucas, applying for motu and showing packaging skills and community involvement would also have helped a lot
[11:17] <siretart> feilex: try mailing him. he is on irc from time to time
[11:17] <feilex> how?
[11:17] <crimsun> siretart: nor I
[11:17] <feilex> what is his email?
[11:18] <ogra> lucas, he's applying for motu since months but has never uploaded a package
[11:18] <siretart> ogra: he is still on the 'proposed members' list
[11:18] <crimsun> siretart: err, did you mean -backports?
[11:18] <ogra> siretart, i think so
[11:18] <siretart> crimsun: argl, yeah, s/-updates/-backports/ again :/
[11:18] <lucas> I didn't know that
[11:18] <shawarma> feilex: Maybe you can start with discussing it on one of the mailing lists..
[11:18] <lucas> ok, </jdong-bashing> :)
[11:18] <ogra> heh
[11:18] <siretart> I'll triple check every upload to -backports ;)
[11:19] <crimsun> siretart: sok, I'm getting good at the regexp ;)
[11:19] <feilex> i actually just have a question: i have constant problems with hackers - is there some way to know what information they are downloading - so to say: 'capture the packets and analise them?'
[11:19] <Kyral_FreeBSD> ....you mean crackers right?
[11:19] <StevenK> siretart: s/\(-\)updates/\1backports/ ;-P
[11:20] <siretart> StevenK: does this work in vim as well? ;)
[11:20] <StevenK> It ought to.
[11:20] <siretart> hehe
[11:20] <StevenK> Yes it does
[11:21] <StevenK> I think vim supports sed and perl style regexs.
[11:21] <StevenK> (That one being sed)
[11:23] <lucas> hey, I was wondering about something
[11:23] <siretart> ok, gn8 folks. cu tomorrow. I heard edgy opens tomorrow ;)
[11:23] <lucas> am I the only one finding it very difficult to work on merges when the "base version" is not the one you would expect it to be ,
[11:23] <lucas> ?
[11:24] <Sp4rKy> please ,  a python script located in /usr/bin should be named script or script.py
[11:24] <Sp4rKy> ?
[11:24] <lucas> script, since policy 3.7 ;)
[11:24] <lucas> (yeah, ubuntu doesn't have it yet)
[11:25] <Hobbsee> siretart: yay!
[11:25] <Sp4rKy> i'm thinking too, but i have issue when i try to rename the script , anyone could help me ?
[11:26] <Sp4rKy> the package is devede
[11:26] <crimsun> what's the error on rename?
[11:27] <Sp4rKy> but when i put a "mv debian/devede/usr/bin/script.py debian/devede/usr/bin/script" just before dh_installdeb it doesn't works
[11:28] <crimsun> would you paste the error?
[11:28] <Sp4rKy> mv debian/devede/usr/bin/devedy.py debian/devede/usr/bin/devede
[11:28] <Sp4rKy> mv: cannot stat `debian/devede/usr/bin/devedy.py': No such file or directory
[11:29] <LaserJock> so do you know that devedy.py made it there?
[11:29] <crimsun> that just means debian/devede/usr/bin/devedy.py doesn't exist, and if it doesn't exist, it can't be renamed.
[11:30] <crimsun> is it really devedy.py btw, or should it be devede.py?
[11:30] <Sp4rKy> yes but it should exist , right ?
[11:30] <crimsun> caveat: I haven't looked at the source, so I don't know if there's supposed to be a "devedy.py"
[11:30] <Sp4rKy> the package works when i delete the move
[11:31] <crimsun> yes, but is the source filename correct?
[11:31] <Sp4rKy> yes
[11:31] <LaserJock> Sp4rKy: do  a dpkg -c on the resulting .deb and see if it is really installed
[11:31] <Sp4rKy> max@Sp4rKy-laptop (23:30) /home/max/devede/devede-1.6 #ls
[11:31] <Sp4rKy> debian  devede.desktop  devede.glade  devede.gladep  devede.png  devede.py  docs  install.sh  pixmaps  po  uninstall.sh
[11:31] <Sp4rKy> ok i'll try
[11:31] <crimsun> there's no devedy.py, just as I suspected.
[11:31] <crimsun> it's an 'e', not a 'y'
[11:32] <Sp4rKy> i'm really stupid
[11:32] <Sp4rKy> and very tired
[11:32] <crimsun> sok, it happens to all of us
[11:33] <Sp4rKy> :/
[11:34] <Sp4rKy> it works now , thx crimsun !!!
[11:34] <crimsun> np
[11:35] <Sp4rKy> does exist a way to test package before put them on REVU
[11:35] <Sp4rKy> to avoid many dput updatet :/
[11:36] <shawarma> Like lintian or linda?
[11:36] <Sp4rKy> yes i know them
[11:37] <Sp4rKy> but with yersinia i've made a lot of update due to a lot of little inconvenience
[11:37] <Sp4rKy> whereas lintian and linda like my packages
[11:38] <crimsun> Sp4rKy: ...well, you should always be testing your packages before/after updating to REVU :)
[11:38] <crimsun> spacey: it's useful to have pbuilder/sbuild and a separate chroot for that purpose
[11:38] <shawarma> Then what do you mean by "a way to test package"?
[11:38] <Sp4rKy> just a way to avoid many update
[11:39] <Sp4rKy> like a personnal MOTU reviewer to help me :D
[11:39] <Sp4rKy> thx to gloubiboulga :D
[11:39] <shawarma> Could you perhaps give an example of the kind of error you'd like to catch before uploading that is easier to see after uploading?
[11:41] <Sp4rKy> little errors like change dapper by edgy in the changelog or del all the unusuable line in rules ...
[11:41] <shawarma> so the kind that is spotted by reviewers? Nah, I don't think there's a tool for that.
[11:42] <shawarma> Other than a personal checklist that you always go through before uploading.
[11:42] <Sp4rKy> ok
[11:42] <Sp4rKy> i'll try
[11:43] <Sp4rKy> thus are my first packages , but i would create many packages, so i'll try to make good packages now !
[11:43] <shawarma> Stuff like: Commented lines in debian/rules, changelog entry, .ex-files in debian/, missing dependencies (test with pbuilder)..
[11:44] <Sp4rKy> in this package, i've done the modification of debian/rules , changelog , control
[11:44] <Sp4rKy> del all the *.ex and *.EX file
[11:44] <Sp4rKy> test with pbuilder and lintian
[11:44] <Sp4rKy> so i think it could be uploaded to revu ...
[11:45] <shawarma> Great. Common mistakes are missing man pages for any binary in /usr/bin/ or /usr/sbin/
[11:45] <Sp4rKy> lintian says that
[11:45] <shawarma> That's true.
[11:45] <Sp4rKy> lintian doesn't output any errors/warning
[11:47] <shawarma> Well then just go ahead an upload.
[11:47] <shawarma> The human review process is also a great way to learn.
[11:47] <Sp4rKy> yes of course
[11:48] <Sp4rKy> uploaded to revu :)
[11:48] <Sp4rKy> please, yet other questions :/
[11:49] <Sp4rKy> i hope i don't disturb you with all my questions
[11:49] <shawarma> Hey, if I didn't want to be disturbed I most certainly wouldn't be on IRC. :-)
[11:50] <Sp4rKy> :)
[11:50] <Sp4rKy> ok
[11:50] <Sp4rKy> so , i'll try to package audacious
[11:50] <Sp4rKy> and i've some questions about the way to "explode" binary and library in to packages
[11:51] <Sp4rKy> do i just write 3 sections in debian/control and 3 .install files ?
[11:54] <tseng> something like that
[11:54] <tseng> but you should really consult similar packages
[11:54] <tseng> and the debian policy
[11:55] <Sp4rKy> i consult the debian policy :)