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[12:59] <edneymatias> hi all!
[12:59] <lionelp> Hi edneymatias
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[07:01] <systest> Is any version of  the SPARC release of 6.06 available yet?
[07:04] <fabbione> systest: no, as the announce said, we are validating on the hw
[07:04] <fabbione> the hw arrived late, due to some custom issues
[07:04] <systest> saw that in the release notes.  Thought an alpha or such might be available.
[07:04] <systest> Thanks for the info.
[07:04] <fabbione> oh yeah
[07:04] <fabbione> sure
[07:04] <fabbione> alpha and beta are around
[07:05] <fabbione> hmm no
[07:05] <fabbione> images haven't been published
[07:05] <fabbione> you can use netboot/netinstal
[07:06] <systest> ok, didn't see them at the mirrors so thought I would ask.
[07:06] <fabbione> they are not on cdimage either
[07:06] <fabbione> i *think* it's because they need to be relased later.. i don't remember all the black magic
[07:07] <systest> OK, thanks.  I'll wait for the official release.
[07:07] <fabbione> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/dapper/main/installer-sparc/current/images/sparc64/netboot/2.6/
[07:07] <fabbione> netboot image ^^
[07:07] <fabbione> you can still test and report bugs
[07:07] <fabbione> that's always good
[07:08] <systest> Even better.  Rather try out a new release than go to another, pointless mtg.  Thanks.
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[10:28] <Vaske_Car> Just installed LAMP and SSH. Where can I see directory structure and how to access apache directory to upload site?
[10:29] <Vaske_Car> For example if I try to access /etc directory i can not... no such file or directory
[10:32] <gpd> Vaske_Car: this is a development channel - but your DocumentRoot is set to /var/www
[10:32] <gpd> you won't be able to [and shouldn't be able to]  see /etc or any other part of the filesystem
[10:42] <Vaske_Car> gpd, just tell me what to do to be able to access server from FTP so i can continue..
[10:43] <Vaske_Car> Like when you purchase hosting and you can access your root directory with FTP
[10:44] <infinity> Vaske_Car: Please take these sort of questions to #ubuntu...
[10:45] <infinity> Vaske_Car: This is a development channel, and generally doesn't take kindly to providing tech support.
[10:45] <infinity> Vaske_Car: The short answer is "install an FTP daemon".  You don't have one by default.
[10:46] <Vaske_Car> Thanks! I am seeking for somebody who can answer me several question in 5 minutes rather than spend 10 days to find it online... Cya dream team :)
[10:47] <brmiller> so is this why ubuntu-server is oft quiet?  developers only?  #ubuntu is pretty noisy--with all them support questions!
[10:48] <infinity> brmiller: Yes, it's quiet intentionally, so that when we want to get some work done, we can. :)
[10:49] <infinity> The rest of the time, I'm happy to see the channel idle.  There's no law against quiet IRC channels.
[10:49] <brmiller> congratulations--that makes perfect sense--I am a developer too (only not for ubuntu!)
[10:50] <brmiller> it's too bad there is only one "help me" channel, although that is not your problem. :)
[10:50] <brmiller> keep up the good work
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[10:58] <infinity> Vaske_Car: If I wasn't busy working and wanted to provide tech support, I'd be in #ubuntu, or responding to mailing list posts on ubuntu-users.
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[11:31] <gpd> [a community supported ubuntu-server support channel might be useful] 
[11:33] <infinity> Perhaps.  You're welcome to start one.
[11:34] <gpd> well my experience is that you are better off making the dev channel /more/ obscure and having the default be the support channel - however, that would require shuffling
[11:35] <gpd> I just started #ubuntu-server on oftc - i'll see how many ppl find it :O
[11:37] <infinity> I generally expect channels on freenode and oftc to have the same focus if they have the same name.
[11:38] <gpd> ubuntu-server-support ?
[11:38] <infinity> I'd be all for idling in #ubuntu-server-devel, but then I wouldn't be here (and a lot of other people wouldn't be), and I suspect folk would just come to the new channel to ask the same questions.  <shrug>
[11:39] <gpd> probably right - so are you happy if we [non-devs]  answer support questions in here...
[11:39] <infinity> We get so few support requests here, and most of them aren't really all that server-related anyway (OMG, I JUST INSTALLED THE SERVER CD AND I DON'T HAVE A GUI, HOW DO I GET A GUI?!), so I don't feel too bad sending them to #ubuntu.
[11:39] <gpd> true
=== gpd maintains status-quo
[11:39] <infinity> And the few really clued-up users woh ask random questions in here often find that they get answered anyway, because INTRIGUING questions that make me go research the answers are kinda fun.
=== gpd goes away to find intriguing questions
[11:43] <kermitX_> infinity: how's this one:  howto run mysql 5 & 4.1 on same box?
[11:43] <infinity> kermitX_: Don't.
[11:43] <infinity> kermitX_: If you think you need to, you're almost certainly wrong.
[11:44] <infinity> kermitX_: If you REALLY need to, then you've done enough research to know why, and therefore have also done enough research to know how.
[11:44] <kermitX_> infinity: i have a couple scripts requires 5 and a couple that requires 4.1; in production environment they're on different servers, but i am looking at my test server.
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[11:45] <kermitX_> infinity, best to run a bare install in a virtual machine of some sort to get the 'other' version?
[11:45] <infinity> kermitX_: I've never seen anything that will run on 4.1 that won't run on 5.x.
[11:45] <infinity> kermitX_: Virtualisation may be a bit extreme, chroots would be fine.
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[11:45] <infinity> kermitX_: Or, you can hack the 4.1 source to have it install to non-standard filesystem locations.
[11:46] <infinity> Either way, I'm still betting on the "you don't actually need both" scenario.
[11:49] <kermitX_> infinity, it may be that i don't "need" both -- those are just the versions supported by the companies who made the scripts.
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