[12:21] <toma> Lure: bug 42802 and a couple others
[12:21] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 42802 in cupsys "client 1.2.0 to 1.1.2x server over IPP: network printing regression" [Normal,In progress]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/42802
[12:23] <Lure> toma: yes, this is known cups issue (nothing Ubuntu specific) and 1.2.1 should solve it
[12:24] <Lure> toma: heard that pitti will work on this asap (when he is done with sume urgent security releases)
[12:24] <toma> Lure: yes, i trust in that
[12:27] <Hobbsee> Riddell: not late?  whatever is this concept that you speak of?
[12:27] <Riddell> worth a shot
[12:28] <Riddell> thanks for waking up so early just for us :)
[12:28] <Hobbsee> :)
[12:28] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i was really thinking of just ignoring my phone...sending it to voicemail...
[12:28] <Hobbsee> it was *so* tempting :P
[12:30] <linuxmonkey> lol
[12:30] <kmon> Riddell: were do we add things for the newsletter?
[12:30] <kmon> ideas
[12:30] <Riddell> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue2
[12:30] <linuxmonkey> Hobbsee: you should answer all cranky one of these days and say " WHAT!"
[12:31] <Hobbsee> linuxmonkey: hehe
[12:31] <Riddell> goldenear: context?
[12:33] <linuxmonkey> Riddell:  wich of the two is it best to speak to regarding the docs.. jjesse or robotgeek or both
[12:33] <Riddell> linuxmonkey: jjesse is the main man
[12:33] <linuxmonkey> ok cool
[12:33] <Hobbsee> neither will eat you.  much.
[12:33] <linuxmonkey> much, eek
[12:33] <Riddell> robotgeek did stuff on the desktop guide
[12:33] <Hobbsee> and three toes
[12:34] <linuxmonkey> lol i got lots more to loose than ya
[12:34] <goldenear> during the meeting, (kmplayer topic) you spoke about Ellen and toma about Tina, who are they ?
[12:34] <goldenear> Riddell: ?
[12:34] <nixternal> nite kmon
[12:35] <nixternal> kmon: anytime with the wiki/documentation ok
[12:35] <Hobbsee> linuxmonkey: i'll probably lose the rest if i go for MOTU at some point :P
[12:35] <Hobbsee> they like eating peole!
[12:35] <Hobbsee> people!
[12:36] <goldenear> toma: who is Tina ?
[12:37] <Riddell> goldenear: they're both elite KDE Usability people
[12:37] <Riddell> Ellen is coming to the Paris summit
[12:37] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-irc/+join
[12:37] <Hobbsee> Seveas: imbrandon is another op
[12:37] <Hobbsee> for #kubuntu, at least
[12:38] <goldenear> Riddell: I should be in Paris too
[12:38] <Riddell> goldenear: excellent
[12:38] <Seveas> Hobbsee, who is 'lead op' in #kubuntu-*?
[12:38] <Riddell> Seveas: me
[12:38] <Hobbsee> Seveas: in #kubuntu, or #kubuntu-offtopic?
[12:38] <Seveas> Riddell, k
[12:38] <Riddell> I 0wn #kubuntu* on freenode
[12:38] <Seveas> I need to make some other people team admin 
[12:38] <imbrandon> Done
[12:39] <Hobbsee> Seveas: does that mean i should have said myself, hehe?
[12:39] <Seveas> Hobbsee, yeah :
[12:39] <Hobbsee> :P
[12:39] <imbrandon> i'm already oped in #kubuntu just no other channels
[12:40] <goldenear> Riddell: Do you think Ellen and/or Tina could give a hand to Koos about oskar UI ? (I mean for the code, not only for advices)
[12:40] <Hobbsee> hey kwwii 
[12:40] <kwwii> guess we could tone down the .org header colors a bit
[12:41] <kwwii> hi Hobbsee
[12:41] <kwwii> it is sooo totally funky to irc with someone a day ahead of you
[12:41] <kwwii> well, not anymore, my time
[12:41] <kwwii> but so far in the other direction is kind st
[12:41] <kwwii> range
[12:42] <kwwii> see, I cannot even type anymore, cause of it
[12:42] <Hobbsee> hehe
[12:42] <Hobbsee> kwwii: stop living in the past! :P
[12:42] <nixternal> lol
[12:42] <linuxmonkey> Riddell: does jjesse come on irc?
[12:42] <kwwii> I keep wanting to ask if you have the latest news
[12:43] <Hobbsee> linuxmonkey: yes
[12:43] <Riddell> linuxmonkey: yes, for a few hours most days
[12:43] <linuxmonkey> ah ok 
[12:43] <kwwii> anyway...the kubuntu.org header could be better
[12:43] <Hobbsee> kwwii: hehe sure i do - the world hasnt blown up yet.
[12:43] <linuxmonkey> not online at the moment is why i asked
[12:43] <kwwii> I mean, I made the one we use now and it is kinda nasty
[12:43] <Riddell> goldenear: not for code but for UI design yes
[12:44] <kwwii> or am I wrong? guess I am only making work for myself
[12:44] <Riddell> kwwii: changing header colours means updating lots of websites, I don't want to do it more than once a release
[12:44] <Riddell> and I like the header colours
[12:44] <Tonio_> hi kwwii
[12:44] <kwwii> ok...I'll shut up
[12:45] <kwwii> howdy Tonio_
[12:45] <kwwii> you owe me a wine
[12:45] <kwwii> or two
[12:45] <Hobbsee> or seven?
[12:45] <kwwii> depending on where we drink the wine
[12:45] <kwwii> :-)
[12:45] <Tonio_> kwwii: we'll go in a parisian restaurant ;)
[12:45] <kwwii> either that, or you have to package the next three things I find for kubuntu
[12:46] <kwwii> Tonio_: will you be in town during the paris meetings?
[12:46] <Tonio_> kwwii: in town ? you mean ?
[12:46] <goldenear> Riddell: do you know somebody (coder) I could ask some help to about oskar? or do I have to post an announce in the devel mailing list?
[12:46] <kwwii> paris, yeah
[12:47] <Tonio_> kwwii: I'm leaving in patis ;) at least for two month ;)
[12:47] <kwwii> ie. would it be possible to meet and have dinner
[12:47] <Tonio_> kwwii: I'll be with all of you all the week
[12:47] <kwwii> cool, so I will definitely get my money back :p
[12:48] <Tonio_> kwwii: sure ;)
[12:48] <kwwii> this should be a good week
[12:48] <robotgeek> linuxmonkey: pong
[12:48] <Tonio_> Riddell: I hope you're ready to come dinner with us !
[12:48] <kwwii> so many cool people are coming
[12:49] <linuxmonkey> ping
[12:49] <Tonio_> kwwii: your money back + wine + kubuntu crew + the most sexy Tonio_ on earth ^^ should be a good week
[12:49] <kwwii> Tonio_: just giving you shit about the money
[12:49] <goldenear> Riddell: Only a few hours of coding would be needed to reorganize the UI but Koos is already working on the basis of the app, so It doesn't have time enought (yet) to work on the UI.
[12:49] <robotgeek> linuxmonkey: desktop guide stuff?
[12:49] <kwwii> lol
[12:49] <linuxmonkey> documentation and wiki :)
[12:49] <Tonio_> Riddell: ho and this time, can you plz bring me a bottle of irnbru ? I'd like to test ;)
[12:50] <robotgeek> linuxmonkey: hmm, i also work on wiki :)
[12:50] <kwwii> Riddell: how theoretical is the paris meeting going to be? I mean, could we state plans to do things like print broschures, etc?
[12:50] <linuxmonkey> :)
[12:50] <Tonio_> goldenear: post on the kubuntu-devel asking for help, that's the best way to do as we will now look at it closely for edgy
[12:51] <goldenear> ok
[12:51] <Hobbsee> gah!  i'm going to be late again!
[12:51] <linuxmonkey> lmao
[12:51] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: GO !
[12:51] <kwwii> see you Hobbsee
[12:51] <kwwii> never say "cu"
[12:51] <Hobbsee> hehe
[12:52] <kwwii> at least not if you work with brazilians
[12:52] <Tonio_> kwwii: what does it means in portugese ?
[12:52] <Hobbsee> bye all...
[12:52] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: no!  :P
[12:53] <kwwii> Tonio_: apperently, if I have understood it correctly, it means asshole
[12:53] <Tonio_> kwwii: ok ;)
[12:53] <Riddell> kwwii: sure, we could have a kubuntu marketing spec
[12:53] <Tonio_> kwwii: the only problem with the hotel is that it is not that close to paris...
[12:53] <Tonio_> 20 km afaik
[12:53] <Riddell> Tonio_: irn-bru, will try :)
[12:53] <kwwii> I used to use it, and a few artists pointed out to me that they questioned why I said "asshole" when I left
[12:53] <Tonio_> Riddell: please ;)
[12:54] <Tonio_> kwwii: lol ^^
[12:54] <robotgeek> lol
[12:54] <Riddell> goldenear: post on kde-devel I guess, but it would be nice to have a design by a usability person first
[12:54] <kwwii> Tonio_: dude, the hotel is kinda out of the way, if they ask us to drink funky grape cool aide, I am heading out
[12:55] <kwwii> Riddell: I have a list started of things to discuss
[12:55] <Tonio_> kwwii: could you repeat that in english ? :)
[12:55] <Tonio_> I didn't understood, sorry :)
[12:56] <Tonio_> what if "grape cool aide" ?
[12:56] <kwwii> kinda a JimJones massacre relation
[12:56] <kwwii> kinda a?
[12:56] <kwwii> shitty english
[12:57] <Tonio_> kwwii: and guess what ??? visa cards work in france ;)
[12:58] <kwwii> so I better pay off some of my debt so I can pay the bill 
[12:58] <kwwii> :p
[12:58] <Tonio_> hehe
[12:58] <kwwii> dude, I just got back from Portugal where VISA is king
[01:01] <kwwii> Germany is simply funky in that aspect
[01:02] <Riddell> does anywhere else use pin numbers yet?
[01:03] <Tonio_> Riddell: with credit cards ?
[01:04] <kwwii> germany does to get money from the card
[01:04] <Riddell> Tonio_: yes
[01:04] <Tonio_> Riddell: we do in france, yes
[01:04] <Riddell> when purchasing, not when using hole in the wall machines
[01:05] <Tonio_> yes, when purchasing too
[01:05] <kwwii> no siht
[01:05] <kwwii> I don't even have one
[01:05] <kwwii> erm, how long is it? 8 numbers?
[01:05] <Riddell> 4 numbers
[01:05] <Tonio_> 4
[01:05] <kwwii> boah
[01:05] <kwwii> no idea
[01:06] <Riddell> they can override it for foreign cards
[01:06] <kwwii> me no like credit cards
[01:06] <kwwii> :-)
[01:06] <kwwii> money is easy to understand
[01:06] <Tonio_> kwwii: seems you are now more german than american ;)
[01:06] <kwwii> my stomach would even be smaller if we still had to carry gold
[01:21] <kkathman> does anyone know what package I install to get xlib6g and xlibs ?
[03:25] <bddebian> Heya
[03:26] <nixternal> hey bddebian
[03:26] <bddebian> Hello nixternal
[03:29] <nixternal> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+ticket/1005
[03:29] <nixternal> he is using Dapper..and juicer with gstreamer 0.8...i thought dapper used gstreamer0.10
[03:30] <nixternal> i don't use it..nor do i use juicer..cuz im kde 110% ;)
[03:54] <imbrandon> heya bddebian
[03:54] <bddebian> Hi imbrandon
[03:54] <imbrandon> nixternal: thats what vmware is for , nasty little things like gnome ;)
[03:54] <bddebian> heh
[03:54] <nixternal> hehe
[03:54] <nixternal> what bug# is gnome ;)
[03:54] <imbrandon> heya bddebian you familiar with chroots ?
[03:55] <imbrandon> #2
[03:55] <nixternal> hehe
[03:55] <bddebian> imbrandon: A little bit.  What's up?
[03:55] <nixternal> #1 is the m$ evil empire that kubuntu will someday own
[03:55] <imbrandon> just wondering if you could point me to a howto to set one up for a dev enviroment 
[03:55] <bddebian> A chroot or pbuilder?
[03:56] <imbrandon> IE i have dapper stable installed, but i want a chroot for building stuff ( for edgy and dapper hpefully )
[03:56] <imbrandon> ummm honestly i dont know the diff ;)
[03:56] <imbrandon> can i set one up for edgy and one for dapper ?
[03:59] <bddebian> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto
[03:59] <imbrandon> nice thanks
[04:00] <bddebian> :-)
[04:00] <imbrandon> can i setup more than one? and is edgy a valid distro yet ?
[04:00] <bddebian> Not that I know of yet
[04:01] <imbrandon> kk
[04:05] <Burglaptop> jonathon!!!
[04:20] <nixternal> lol
[04:21] <Burglaptop> nixternal: can you point me at some wiki pages you have done, so I can approve you for the wik i team?
[04:21] <nixternal> sure
[04:21] <nixternal> let me gather some
[04:21] <Burglaptop> nixternal: as for the doc team, that is people have have write access to our svn repo, so give us some patches
[04:21] <nixternal> ahhh...nix that then...i was following directions earlier..might have gone a wrong direction...no patches from me
[04:21] <Burglaptop> nixternal: jjesse is your person to talk to about that
[04:22] <Burglaptop> we are always looking for more people, even if they do use the "wrong" DE ;)
[04:22] <nixternal> yes...Riddel and kmon gave me that info earlier...will do that
[04:22] <nixternal> LOL
[04:23] <nixternal> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam/ToshibaSatellite1735Kubuntu
[04:23] <nixternal> there is one there
[04:23] <Burglaptop> nixternal: you got documentation pages?
[04:23] <nixternal> documentation pages???
[04:23] <nixternal> my own no
[04:24] <Burglaptop> any that you have edited?
[04:24] <Burglaptop> threshold is pretty low here
[04:24] <nixternal> im gathering them now
[04:24] <nixternal> i just upgraded this sytem and getting my bookmarks in order
[04:24] <Burglaptop> sweet, thanks
[04:25] <nixternal> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/nixternal  <-- of course my wiki ;)
[04:25] <nixternal> man..i have updated quite a few, or made minor changes...finding them let alone remembering right now is a good one ;)
[04:25] <nixternal> i just found another use for my google notepad
[04:26] <Burglaptop> sadly, moin does not make this easy
[04:26] <nixternal> i figured there would be a list that would show all of the edits i have made...i guess not
[04:27] <Burglaptop> it is there, there is just no easy search
[04:27] <nixternal> the main reason i joined is to assist kmon, imbrandon, linuxmonkey, and Riddell with Kubuntu wiki and documentation
[04:27] <Burglaptop> coolo
[04:27] <nixternal> i just tried to search..and you are right...not easy
[04:27] <Burglaptop> we are always looking for more peopl
[04:28] <nixternal> well i am available...i have done plenty of documentation in the past..tech related for other sites...i am not a coder, so i figure this is a way i can help the community besides tech support in the forums and irc
[04:28] <nixternal> plus i enjoy this stuff to much ;)
[04:28] <nixternal> ok..i found some
[04:29] <nixternal> i was just reading over that too
[04:29] <nixternal> i know i have made some changes and didn't follow that...especiallyw ith time stamping and what not...will do from now on though..that would probably make searching for my edits more successful too 
[04:30] <linuxmonkey> Burglaptop: wassup bro
[04:30] <Burglaptop> hey linuxmonkey
[04:30] <nixternal> Right now, search came up with my wiki, ChicagoTeam, KubuntuAdditionalRepositories/KDE353, LocalSpellingWords, LaptopTestingTeam, KubuntuDapperFeedback, and meetings...and that is only because I have recently done those
[04:31] <linuxmonkey> burglaptop i can point you to 2 wiki pages i edited
[04:31] <linuxmonkey> lol
[04:31] <Burglaptop> linuxmonkey: shoot
[04:31] <Burglaptop> nixternal: can you create links on your wiki page?
[04:31] <nixternal> he did them by accident so be careful ;)
[04:31] <nixternal> LOL
[04:31] <nixternal> create links to what I have contributed too ?
[04:31] <nixternal> sure
[04:31] <Burglaptop> yep
[04:32] <nixternal> will do that now
[04:32] <linuxmonkey> https://wiki.kubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats and https://wiki.kubuntu.com/Linuxmonkey and oh KubuntuArtwork
[04:32] <linuxmonkey> lmao
[04:33] <Burglaptop> seems ok
[04:33] <linuxmonkey> actually looking at doing another edit on RestrictedFormats
[05:56] <nixternal> ok..im not a coder...and have never seen a true "GUI" w/o xwindows running...but say a user messes up his/her xconfig and can't boot into kde. is it possible to have a "GUI" besides the xserver-xorg conf one?...if you mess up your initial xconfig..the only fix is to reconfig xserver-xorg correct?
[05:57] <nixternal> messes it up on initial install
[05:57] <nixternal> don't matter really..messing it up is messing it up
[05:58] <imbrandon> maybe xvesa but its not in the repos i dont think
[06:00] <nixternal> someone posted a bug, #48777 with this and labeled it a bug, but i don't think it is a bug, but maybe a possible specification
[06:00] <nixternal> i replied to it respectfully, because i can totally understand where the person is coming from, i just don't think it is a bug...maybe a support issue at best or like i said a specification/braindump
[06:02] <nixternal> if i remember correctly...xvesa = evil...i think i messed around with it back in the valinux days
[06:02] <crimsun> nah, it's a valid /wishlist/ bug
[06:02] <nixternal> ok crimsun..thanks for that
[06:02] <nixternal> i wasn't wrong by replying though was i?
[06:03] <crimsun> absolutely not. Just change the status of the bug report, please. :)
[06:03] <crimsun> err, not the status but the severity
[06:04] <nixternal> roger that
[06:04] <nixternal> wishlist it
[06:18] <linuxmonkey> im out for the night guys, ttyl
[07:21] <nixternal> launchpad is going down in 10 minutes for maintenance
[07:22] <Hobbsee> hey nixternal 
[07:22] <nixternal> hey Hobbsee
[07:22] <nixternal> imbrandon said he will be here shortly and give you the info for the shell account he created for you
[07:23] <nixternal> Hobbsee: ^^
[07:23] <Hobbsee> ok, thanks
[07:23] <nixternal> my hackergotchi ownz...i just learned how to even open gimp ;p   and my gotchi has 1337 transparent skillz with a shadow ;)
[07:23] <nixternal> haha..im a dork
[09:11] <nixternal> quiet tonight...that means everything is working as planned ;)
[09:14] <Hobbsee> nixternal: nah, most people here are in europe
[09:14] <Hobbsee> and they were kept awake for the meeting
[09:18] <nixternal> lol
[09:18] <nixternal> well..i liked the working as planned idea better ;)
[09:18] <Hobbsee> :P
[09:22] <nixternal> you said that earlier too
[09:23] <Hobbsee> oh did i?
[09:23] <nixternal> hehe
[09:23] <nixternal> we all were
[09:24] <nixternal> i have been cleaning up the wiki for a while tonight...can't look at anymore wiki...must goto ......zzzzzzz
[09:24] <nixternal> flat line
[09:24] <Hobbsee> hehe!
[09:24] <Hobbsee> nice work :)
[09:24] <nixternal> i still have 4 tabs open...so i think that means work
[09:25] <Hobbsee> hehe
[09:36] <vinboy> hi hi
[09:36] <Hobbsee> hey vinboy 
[09:42] <seaLne> does anyone else ever get the brown stylesheet when they are on wiki.kubuntu.org ?
[09:42] <nixternal> i don't anymore
[09:43] <nixternal> i set mine to the kubuntu stylesheet
[09:43] <nixternal> oh...wiki.kubuntu.org
[09:43] <seaLne> and the ubuntu logo, basically wiki.ubuntu.com but under the kubuntu domain
[09:43] <nixternal> derrrrrr <- e.tard onboard
[09:43] <vinboy> hi Hobbsee 
[09:44] <Hobbsee> you can set which one you want to see
[09:44] <seaLne> ah yeah just noticed i had it set to ubuntu, i guess i only saw the kubuntu if i got logged out, doh
[09:45] <nixternal> yup..they are the same wiki..just a vhost that's all..you have to set your stylesheet under UserPreferences
[09:45] <seaLne> yeah i knew that
[09:45] <seaLne> except by default you get kubuntu style on w.k.o
[09:46] <nixternal> when im logged out i see ubuntu..when im logged in i see kubuntu...but i notice in the forums, i get the kubuntu color and logo, but it says ubuntu
[09:47] <vinboy> are the things on kubuntu wiki same as ubuntu's?
[09:47] <Hobbsee> yes
[09:47] <vinboy> any plan to customise them?
[09:47] <nixternal> yup
[09:47] <nixternal> in the process now as a matter of fact
[09:47] <vinboy> cool
[09:47] <vinboy> just msg me if need any help
[09:48] <vinboy> i may be able to spend alittle time on it
[09:48] <nixternal> #ubuntu-doc is who manages all that
[09:48] <nixternal> they have a WikiTeam and Doc team
[09:48] <vinboy> oh ok
[09:48] <nixternal> Burg i believe is the head honcho over there
[10:40] <MrFaber> hi all
[10:41] <MrFaber> I like the amarok 1.4 and KDE 3.5.3 packages which works great for me. Isn't it possible to make such a release for Kopete 0.12 since it has great new features?
[10:42] <MrFaber> I have compiled it on my own which works fine but a repository package would be much more great :)
[10:43] <pygi> MrFaber, probably in edgy
[10:44] <MrFaber> pygi: not a release in dapper
[10:44] <MrFaber> pygi: like the releases on kubuntu.org
[10:45] <MrFaber> pygi: Ok, it needs some extra packages/libs
[10:45] <freeflying|away> MrFaber: with jingle support?
[10:45] <MrFaber> pygi: but thanks anyway, was just a suggestion 
[10:45] <MrFaber> freeflying|away: yes
[10:46] <freeflying|away> MrFaber: what are those extra libs?
[10:46] <MrFaber> I like this service since some people wanted the latest great KDE packages and you make this possible
[10:46] <MrFaber> freeflying|away: one second :)
[10:47] <MrFaber> freeflying|away: http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=Kopete+Jabber+Jingle
[10:47] <MrFaber> freeflying|away: the only thing I didn't got to work was iLBC
[10:47] <freeflying|away> MrFaber: what are you use now?
[10:48] <MrFaber> freeflying|away: oRTP is needed
[10:48] <MrFaber> freeflying|away: other packages except iLBC ist in repository afaik
[10:48] <MrFaber> freeflying|away: What do you mean?
[10:48] <freeflying|away> MrFaber: linphone has included oRTP
[10:48] <MrFaber> freeflying|away: but they need a special version
[10:49] <freeflying|away> MrFaber: iLBC is not must 
[10:49] <MrFaber> freeflying|away: I know, since it works for me
[10:49] <MrFaber> freeflying|away: at least compiling :)
[10:49] <MrFaber> Jingle is still in beta
[10:49] <freeflying|away> MrFaber: but the problem is linphone has oRTP, how to solve this problem
[10:50] <MrFaber> freeflying|away: don't know, maybe different directorys or file names, I am no expert
[10:50] <MrFaber> freeflying|away: I make an own package with ortp
[10:50] <MrFaber> freeflying|away: but I have no linphone
[10:51] <MrFaber> freeflying|away: It isn't important, just was an idea since Kopete looks/works great
[10:52] <MrFaber> freeflying|away: if it is to complicated it makes no sense
[10:53] <freeflying|away> MrFaber: those two version oRTP will conflict, so we must solve this
[10:53] <MrFaber> freeflying|away: I don't know why kopete needs a special version
[10:53] <MrFaber> freeflying|away: and not bigger than ...
[10:54] <vinboy> hi, i'm just wondering, is there going to be a new version of KPDF out?
[10:54] <vinboy> i need the highlighting feature
[10:55] <nixternal`zzz> g'nite all
[10:55] <MrFaber> cu nixternal`zzz
[12:38] <Riddell> it's already been packaged
[12:43] <OdyX> latest 0.12 ?
[12:43] <OdyX> where is it disponible then ?
[12:49] <Riddell> http://www.ubuntu-zh.org/~freeflying/packages/
[12:50] <vinboy> is the kopete 0.12 available yet?
[12:50] <vinboy> kopete 3.5.3?
[12:55] <Riddell> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuEdgyPackageUpdates
[01:06] <freeflying|away> Riddell: the latest skim been packaged on ubntu-zh.org
[01:10] <Riddell> great
[01:12] <freeflying|away> Riddell: konversation also has new release?
[01:15] <Riddell> no idea, I'm just listing all packages
[01:15] <Riddell> freeflying|away: even if there's no new release we need to check if the packaging needs synced with debian
[01:16] <\sh> Riddell: merged ;) I wouldn't sync all kde main packages ;)
[01:16] <Riddell> yes, merged :)
[01:17] <\sh> i'll take some ;)
[01:17] <OdyX> freeflying|away: does your kopete package include latest voice improvements ?
[01:17] <OdyX> freeflying|away: I mean, speex, ability to discuss with other Kopete/Psi
[01:17] <freeflying|away> OdyX: no, due to the oRTP
[01:17] <OdyX> freeflying|away: is it planned to be updated once ?
[01:18] <\sh> konversation und ktorrent I'll take
[01:18] <seaLne> anyone working on k3b?
[01:18] <\sh> and obviously python-qt/python-kde
[01:18] <seaLne> if not.. :)
[01:18] <freeflying|away> OdyX: I don't know how to solve the oRTP problem
[01:18] <\sh> mez?
[01:18] <seaLne> \sh: for k3b?
[01:19] <\sh> Riddell: is mez still busy with moving into another house?
[01:19] <OdyX> "problem" =? it only works with one particular version freeflying|away ?
[01:19] <freeflying|away> OdyX: ya
[01:19] <OdyX> that's bad..
[01:19] <freeflying|away> \sh: have you tried the latest ktorrent
[01:20] <\sh> freeflying|away: no..but I will :) during weekend :)
[01:20] <freeflying|away> \sh: now I'm downloading a file more than 1G, ktorrent is like freeze
[01:21] <freeflying|away> \sh: with the latest beta release
[01:21] <\sh> freeflying|away: hum? ktorrent and 1Gig source? how come? ;)
[01:21] <Riddell> \sh: seems so
[01:21] <\sh> so katapult and k3b are free to catch ;)
[01:21] <freeflying|away> Riddell: is it a bug
[01:22] <seaLne> k, i'll do k3b this afternoon
[01:22] <Riddell> seaLne: put your name in the wiki
[01:22] <\sh> edgy is open when? 
[01:22] <seaLne> i hate wiki tables
[01:22] <Riddell> \sh: sometime today I believe
[01:23] <\sh> cool..I hope debootstrap will be updated soon then ;)
[01:24] <Riddell> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuEdgyPackageUpdates updated with all kde packages in main
[01:24] <seaLne> Riddell: can synce-kde be synced?
[01:25] <freeflying|away> Riddell: how about the latest kipi-plugins
[01:27] <\sh> I'll added python-qt3 and python-kde3 to the list...this will go in first somehow...torsten marek fixed all the bugs, added the missing -gl package, and fixed python-kde3-dev to include kdepyuic ... so hopefully we can take it directly
[01:27] <Riddell> freeflying|away: added to table
[01:27] <Riddell> seaLne: how do you mean?
[01:28] <\sh> ok..python-qt4 taken :)
[01:28] <\sh> guys, sorry for not attending yesterdays meeting, so I'll propose something here :)
[01:29] <vinboy> hi
[01:29] <vinboy> how can I join the packaging team?
[01:29] <\sh> there are a lot of kwin-style decos still left on kde-look.org which are not officially packaged in debian...but by other people for debian. Could we try to push them into universe?
[01:29] <Riddell> vinboy: read the various packaging guides and package something, get and account on revu and upload it for review
[01:29] <Riddell> \sh: sure
[01:30] <vinboy> thx Riddell 
[01:30] <\sh> Riddell: ok..most of the time these are low hanging fruits, so it's something for starters :)
[01:30] <Riddell> \sh: get vinboy to check them out :)
[01:30] <\sh> vinboy: you are my man :) 
[01:31] <\sh> vinboy: wanna help? 
[01:32] <freeflying|away> \sh: Riddell pykdeextensions
[01:32] <Riddell> freeflying|away: well remembered
[01:33] <\sh> whois _Sime
[01:33] <vinboy> \sh: SURE dude
[01:33] <vinboy> how may I help?
[01:33] <\sh> vinboy: ok..you know something about kwin-style decos?
[01:33] <vinboy> nope
[01:33] <\sh> vinboy: window decorations....
[01:34] <Tm_M> hi kids
[01:34] <vinboy> oh yea
[01:34] <vinboy> wat about it?
[01:34] <\sh> vinboy: ok..kde-look.org has many of them, which are not in debian, neither ubuntu, but been packaged by some other folks
[01:34] <\sh> vinboy: you can help us to push those packages into ubunut universe
[01:35] <vinboy> well... aren't those theme distro independent???
[01:35] <vinboy> or u just wanna get it into the repos so ppl can get them more easily?
[01:35] <\sh> vinboy: problems with those packages, they are not packaged the right way, e.g. missing licenses, sometimes only binaries packaged etc.
[01:35] <vinboy> oh ic
[01:35] <\sh> vinboy: you got it :)
[01:35] <vinboy> yup i got it now
[01:35] <vinboy> haha
[01:35] <\sh> vinboy: wanna start now?
[01:35] <vinboy> yes
[01:35] <vinboy> can you show me around pls
[01:36] <\sh> vinboy: ok...first example: pureline http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=30501 is the original posting of the creator
[01:36] <\sh> vinboy: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=32798 is the link to the debian package
[01:36] <\sh> vinboy: the packager of http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=32798 has everything in his private repository, but 
[01:37] <\sh> vinboy: the source package of it, is useless, it has to be repackaged properly and you have to find out which license this window deco has...because it's not written anywhere
[01:37] <vinboy> wow
[01:37] <vinboy> and how do I find out?
[01:37] <\sh> vinboy: if you know it's gpl, please add a real copyright file to the package, and try to build this package via pbuilder.
[01:37] <freeflying|away> Riddell: we'd push cmake into main in edgy
[01:38] <\sh> vinboy: well, you have to check the original creators link, and if it's not written there, ask him via email e.g. 
[01:38] <vinboy> oh ic
[01:38] <Riddell> freeflying|away: great idea
[01:38] <vinboy> right
[01:38] <\sh> vinboy: so..now for the technical part :)
[01:38] <vinboy> wait wait
[01:38] <vinboy> so, do I have to do that for every deco in kde look?
[01:39] <\sh> vinboy: well, you find a deco, and the first thing you do: apt-cache search <deconame>
[01:39] <Tm_M> yes, all 12 000
[01:39] <Tm_M> ;--p
[01:39] <vinboy> r u serious? this wil kill me
[01:40] <\sh> vinboy: if you find something like kwin-style-<deconame> it's already in our repos, check as well http://packages.debian.org/ to find out if there is already a package in debian, if there is one in debian, but not in ubuntu, mark those as going to be synced package pls :)
[01:40] <\sh> vinboy: native window decorations only :) 
[01:40] <vinboy> ok
[01:40] <\sh> vinboy: we will help you anyways :)
[01:40] <vinboy> thx
[01:40] <vinboy> lets go back 2 steps
[01:41] <\sh> vinboy: too fast? ;)
[01:41] <vinboy> yup
[01:41] <vinboy> so which one do I repackage?? the original posting?? or the debian package?
[01:41] <\sh> vinboy: the debian package :) 
[01:41] <vinboy> alrite
[01:41] <Tm_M> \sh don't kill him in the startline ;)
[01:41] <\sh> vinboy: if you think it's worth it, if the debian package is so nasty and not nice, package it from original creator (upstream)
[01:42] <vinboy> i will leave that for now :)
[01:42] <vinboy> is there a link to those deco debian packages?
[01:42] <Hobbsee> hi all
[01:42] <Hobbsee> woot!  edgy stuff in the topic!
[01:42] <Tm_M> hi
[01:42] <freeflying|away> Hobbsee: hey
[01:43] <freeflying|away> Tm_M: hey
[01:43] <\sh> vinboy: you will find on kde-look.org many entries with the same deco name, one is always the original creator entry, and others are most likely packages created by the community for redhat, mandrake, gentoo, suse, debian, ubuntu etc.
[01:43] <\sh> hey Mrs. Hobbes
[01:43] <\sh> 7nick Calvin 
[01:43] <\sh> just joking ;)
[01:44] <Hobbsee> \sh: heh.
[01:44] <\sh> vinboy: just start with pureline as starters :)
[01:44] <vinboy> \sh: i guess a search for debian would do the trick?
[01:44] <vinboy> okay
[01:44] <\sh> vinboy: deconame and debian or ubuntu e.g.
[01:44] <vinboy> for pureline the license is there
[01:45] <\sh> vinboy: ok..now for some really serious stuff :) 1. join #ubuntu-motu, you will find there many people helping you in things like packaging and how it works in ubuntu universe
[01:45] <vinboy> ok kool
[01:45] <Hobbsee> \sh: so when did i suddenly get married?
[01:45] <Hobbsee> and who to, for that matter?
[01:45] <Hobbsee> :P
[01:45] <vinboy> to me i guess
[01:45] <\sh> vinboy: 2. get a gpg key, send a signed email to keyring@tiber.tauware.de to get an account on REVU
[01:45] <vinboy> :0
[01:46] <vinboy> \sh: ok i need to read about how to get pgp those kind of stuff first
[01:46] <mornfall> Riddell: hi
[01:47] <\sh> Hobbsee: what was the non married form of mistress?
[01:47] <Hobbsee> vinboy: see your private message
[01:47] <mornfall> Riddell: ever tried using bzr?
[01:47] <\sh> s/mistress/misses/
[01:47] <vinboy> thx Hobbsee 
[01:47] <Hobbsee> \sh: er, ms?  miss?
[01:47] <\sh> miss right
[01:47] <Hobbsee> :)
[01:47] <Riddell> mornfall: yep
[01:47] <mornfall> is it normal that it gets stuck at ~50%?
[01:47] <Riddell> mornfall: pretty nice except branching takes a ages
[01:47] <Hobbsee> i've only ever heard two people do it.
[01:48] <\sh> Hobbsee: in germany they do address not married woman as "Fraeulein", but now this word is just gone away, and everybody is a "Frau", so "Mrs." 
[01:48] <Riddell> mornfall: yes, be patient, have a walk or two
[01:48] <mornfall> groan
[01:48] <mornfall> it's ... useless
[01:48] <Riddell> mornfall: what are you branching?
[01:48] <mornfall> it's almost 15 minutes
[01:48] <Hobbsee> \sh: oh okay, so they did lose Fraeulein - mum's german is quite old, she taught me about that
[01:48] <mornfall> Riddell: trying to get the ddtp-enabled apt
[01:48] <\sh> Hobbsee: yes the did :)
[01:48] <Hobbsee> Wie gehts, \sh?
[01:49] <mornfall> well
[01:49] <mornfall> the net result is
[01:49] <\sh> Mir geht es im Moment nicht gut, Ms. Hobbs
[01:49] <mornfall> bzr is exactly as useless as arch was two years ago
[01:49] <Hobbsee> :(
[01:50] <mornfall> it just eats more memory
[01:50] <\sh> Hobbsee: my stomach is giving me problems...
[01:50] <Hobbsee> Das ist nicht gut, \sh 
[01:50] <Hobbsee> (and dont mention my bad sentence structure!)
[01:51] <Hobbsee> we never really mastered the art of Deutsch grammar
[01:52] <\sh> Hobbsee: me neither :) 
[01:52] <Hobbsee> but you've actually been there/live there!
[01:52] <\sh> Hobbsee: that doesn't mean that I have to speak good german ;)
[01:52] <Hobbsee> haha
[01:53] <mornfall> Riddell: yeho, bzr get http://people.ubuntu.com/~mvo/bzr/apt/ddtp/  539.14s user 56.72s system 42% cpu 23:28.88 total
[01:54] <\sh> Hobbsee: I'm speaking more a mixture of different languages and slangs, like mixing up ruhrpott slang german with a mixture of russian english, scottish english, romanian english, indian english, southafrica english...it's terrible
[01:54] <Hobbsee> hehe fair enough :P
[01:55] <Riddell> mornfall: did it finish?
[01:56] <mornfall> Riddell: yes
[01:56] <Riddell> mornfall: that's an old style "weaves" archive, the new "knits" archives are margionally faster
[01:57] <mornfall> marginally faster...
[01:57] <vinboy> \sh: ok i sent him the gpg key
[02:01] <vinboy> brb shower
[02:09] <Riddell> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuEdgyPackageUpdates updated for all of universe, yay!
[02:10] <Hobbsee> Riddell: yay!
[02:10] <Hobbsee> Riddell: so what's the deal with them?  they've got new upstream versions, but if the version is in debian, then request a sync for it?
[02:11] <Riddell> Hobbsee: that's the packages that have "ubuntu" in their version number, so you also have to check if the ubuntu changes are still needed or not
[02:11] <Riddell> if they are you have to merge from debian manually
[02:12] <Riddell> or just repackage if debian doesn't have the latest upstream
[02:12] <Hobbsee> mmm ok.  you merge from debian manually how?
[02:12] <Hobbsee> grab debian source, put in ubuntu changes, upload?
[02:12] <Riddell> exactly
[02:13] <Riddell> tricky part is often working out what the ubuntu changes are
[02:13] <Riddell> in the KDE packages I put a KUBUNTU-DEBIAN-CHANGES file to try and keep track
[02:14] <Hobbsee> ah, so that's what that's for...
[02:14] <Riddell> and I name the patches kubuntu_01_foo which may not be the case in a lot of other packages
[02:15] <Hobbsee> Riddell: so in the case of ksudoku, nothing's going to change there - the deps still need changing, as was the 0ubuntu1 change, and the dh_iconcache change, i guess is replaced with it being added to cdbs...that still needs a manual merge?  it seems weird that we dont take the old ubuntu versions, and stick them in the next release
[02:15] <freeflying|away> Riddell: digikamimageplugins shall be replaced with kipi-plugins
[02:17] <Riddell> Hobbsee: all the packages from dapper will be in edgy automatically
[02:17] <Hobbsee> well, yeah...
[02:17] <Riddell> Hobbsee: so if there's no changes upstream and nothing interesting from debian just mark it as done
[02:17] <Hobbsee> okay, i'll check what debian has done to it recently..
[02:27] <seaLne> when is it that edgy is created i thought it was sometime this week?
[02:28] <Riddell> kwwii: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuMarketing
[02:28] <Riddell> seaLne: today with any luck
[02:29] <Riddell> <top secret>2 hours to edgy</top secret>
[02:29] <seaLne> just a copy of dapper Packages and Sources files?
[02:29] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:29] <Hobbsee> hey, everyone!...
[02:29] <seaLne> the top secret stuff that that nasty bot is logging?
[02:29] <Riddell> seaLne: well there's a bit more to it than that, but yes :)
[02:30] <seaLne> ok i missed out creating a directory :)
[02:34] <Hobbsee> OdyX: shame :P
[02:34] <OdyX> Hobbsee: well.. You know... priorities...
[02:34] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:36] <seaLne> well how else would you get your dose of silent phone calls
[02:38] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:38] <seaLne> Riddell: so will synce-kde be automatically synced from debian into edgy, that was my question earlier
[02:39] <Hobbsee> seaLne: more to the point, how do we get quorum, if not enough people are there
[02:39] <Riddell> seaLne: no, it has "ubuntu" in the name
[02:39] <Riddell> seaLne: feel free to 0wn it on https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuEdgyPackageUpdates
[02:53] <kwwii> Riddell: I will edit that page
[03:45] <\sh> http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=23696 - flash editor under kde
[03:46] <\sh> Riddell: and http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=40467 kdesu improvement for .desktop files ;)
[03:47] <Riddell> \sh: flash editor, not much use without a player :)
[03:47] <\sh> Riddell: on i386?
[03:47] <Riddell> but having that would be cool
[03:47] <Riddell> a Free player
[03:48] <Riddell> jjesse_: linuxmonkey wants to help with docs
[03:48] <Riddell> I don't see much use for kdesu menu on .desktop files
[03:48] <\sh> Riddell: well, yes, but actually authoring can be as nice as playing ;)
[03:48] <jjesse_> Riddell: cool
[03:49] <jjesse_> hmmm having problems with irc this morning
[03:49] <jjesse_> Riddell: that was who agai?
[03:50] <Riddell> jjesse_: linuxmonkey wants to help with docs
[03:50] <jjesse_> linuxmonkey: ping
[03:52] <jjesse_> when I do a console login shouldn't it say Kubuntu 6.06 LTS instead of Ubuntu 6.06 LTS?
[03:53] <Hobbsee> jjesse_: not really
[03:53] <jjesse_> Hobbsee: why not?
[03:54] <Hobbsee> jjesse_: because what if people have both gnome and kde installed?
[03:56] <jjesse_> hmmm good point 
[03:56] <Hobbsee> or install the server version, without any DM
[04:03] <zakame> hello, someone pinged me earlier? =)
[04:28] <seaLne> should all packages have a compat file?
[04:29] <Riddell> seaLne: yes
[04:29] <Riddell> seaLne: that's the version number for debhelper
[04:29] <Riddell> which should be 5 in new packages
[04:29] <seaLne> yep, k3b dosen't
[04:30] <Riddell> seaLne: that's best fixed in debian, we don't gain anything by fixing it in ubuntu
[04:30] <Riddell> debhelper will revert to version 3 behaviour if there's no compat file I think
[04:31] <kubuntutaotao> who can give me some about data of kdevelop3?
[04:33] <freeflying> kubuntutaotao: please join #kubuntu for that
[04:33] <freeflying> Riddell: will edgy use gcc-4.1
[04:35] <bddebian> Howdy
[04:35] <freeflying> bddebian: hey
[04:35] <bddebian> Hello freeflying
[04:37] <Riddell> freeflying: probably but it's not quite certain
[04:37] <Riddell> "As a twenty year old struggling student of computer science I am thoroughly
[04:37] <Riddell> fucking impressed (and envious) of your genius."
[04:37] <Riddell> now is that fanmail or sarcasm I wonder
[04:38] <bddebian> Hmm :-)
[04:39] <freeflying> hehe
[04:39] <bddebian> Riddell: I say fanmail since you ARE a genius! :-)
[04:39] <Riddell> true, good point
[04:39] <jsgotangco> fucking genius even
[04:39] <jsgotangco> ooppss
[04:40] <Riddell> it's OK, I don't have bad word highlights on this channel :)
[04:40] <bddebian> Oh man, I soo want to comment on that :-)
[04:41] <Hobbsee> bddebian: no, they just call you a deity instead :P
[04:41] <bddebian> Hobbsee: That is just to ridicule me
[04:42] <Hobbsee> i know - but you do do a good job
[04:55] <nixternal> good mornin'
[04:55] <Hobbsee> hey nixternal 
[04:56] <nixternal> well hello there ;)
[04:56] <nixternal> 5 hours is more then enough sleep
[04:57] <Hobbsee> bah.  wish i could do that.
[04:57] <nixternal> hehe
[04:57] <nixternal> i would love to 8+, but it is kind of hot right now, and i woke up
[04:58] <bddebian> Hobbsee: I do?  At what?
[04:58] <Hobbsee> er, everything?
[04:58] <Hobbsee> dont ask me complex questions, i'm exhausted!
[04:58] <bddebian> :-)
[04:59] <bddebian> Hobbsee: Obviously not good enough for the main crowd ;-)
[05:00] <Hobbsee> heh.
[05:01] <Hobbsee> bddebian: but was i ever?
[05:02] <bddebian> Were you ever what?
[05:02] <Hobbsee> bddebian: good enough for the main crown
[05:02] <Hobbsee> er, crowd
[05:03] <bddebian> Oh, I meant me, not you :-)
[05:03] <Hobbsee> bddebian: did you go for core dev?  what'd they say?
[05:04] <bddebian> They said thanks but no thanks :)
[05:04] <Hobbsee> :(
[05:05] <\sh> bddebian: what they said
[05:05] <bddebian> ??
[05:06] <\sh> bddebian: yesterday evening at TB meeting
[05:06] <nixternal> \sh i take it you got my groovy transparent hackergotchi the 2nd time around ;)
[05:07] <\sh> nixternal: yes...i didn't have the time to add it though...I'll do it just now
[05:07] <nixternal> no worry
[05:08] <bddebian> \sh: They were looking for you :-)
[05:08] <bddebian> \sh: Basically just that I haven't worked enough on main I guess
[05:09] <\sh> bddebian: I know, I read the logs, but I was ill and couldn't stay awake...throwing up etc.
[05:09] <bddebian> Ugh, sorry to hear that
[05:09] <\sh> bddebian: I put my name on the agenda for reactivation of ubuntu-dev/core-dev rights 
[05:11] <bddebian> \sh: Yeah, I know, that's awesome
[05:13] <\sh> bddebian: no not so awesome...I reaplly that's all ;) I told everyone, that I'm coming back when my situation is setteled
[05:14] <nixternal> hey /sh. universe looks great. good job on that
[05:16] <Hobbsee> \sh: why the heck do you use a backslash, not a forward slash.  or the other way around?
[05:16] <\sh> nixternal: i didn't do much on universe for dapper
[05:16] <\sh> Hobbsee: / is irc command char
[05:16] <Hobbsee> the \ has to be one of the most painful keys on the keyboard.  right next to | and insert.
[05:16] <nixternal> im talking the universe.kubuntu.org ;)
[05:16] <Hobbsee> \sh: oh yes, of course
[05:16] <seaLne> Hobbsee: depends on kbd layout :)
[05:16] <\sh> Hobbsee: | is shift+\ on my keyboard ;)
[05:16] <nixternal> he is correct about it being one of the most painful keys too
[05:16] <seaLne> \ is next to left shift for me
[05:16] <Hobbsee> \sh: exactly
[05:16] <\sh> Hobbsee: alt gr+sz on german keyboard
[05:17] <\sh> Hobbsee: but ascii sort wise, I'm still in the top 10 ;)
[05:17] <Hobbsee> hehe
[05:17] <\sh> nixternal: oh it's not finished yet :)
[05:18] <Hobbsee> \sh: dont talk about ascii...dont remind me of my computing exam yet...
[05:18] <\sh> ok..I'll have a shower...need to go in a few...brb
[05:19] <seaLne> k3b and synce-kde are on revu if anyone wants to have a look
[05:28] <Hobbsee> okay, i'm trashed enough to be able to sleep no matter what happens.  night all
[05:28] <jpatrick> night
[05:28] <Hobbsee> hey jpatrick 
[05:28] <jpatrick> hi Hobbsee
[05:38] <\sh> nixternal: replaced your hackergotchi :)
[05:40] <jjesse> hmm i need to create a hackergotchi sometime
[05:42] <nixternal> thx \sh
[05:57] <Riddell> jjesse: did I ever pass on an e-mail from Mario Guerra to you?
[05:58] <jjesse> was that pre-dapper release?
[06:00] <jpatrick> Riddell: did you read the text I sent you?
[06:03] <Riddell> jjesse: yes
[06:03] <Riddell> jpatrick: what was that?
[06:03] <jpatrick> Riddell: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/763150
[06:09] <Riddell> hugin_0.5-0ubuntu0.1 seems fine
[06:09] <Riddell> 4:3.5.3-0ubuntu1 would be the version if kuickshow was part of KDE, it should be fine to use that version number for a separate package
[06:11] <jpatrick> I think he wants an explaination
[06:15] <Riddell> epoch:upsteam-debianubuntu
[06:16] <jpatrick> ok, we can sync kmymoney2 from debian
[06:17] <Riddell> jpatrick: mark it on the wiki page
[06:23] <jpatrick> if only it would save
[07:20] <jjesse_> Riddell: ping
[07:23] <Riddell> jjesse: yo
[07:23] <jjesse> in regards to that email you forwarded on, yes i contacted and never received an email back.  i'll send a follow up w/ a link to KubuntuDocs/Edgy
[07:26] <Riddell> jjesse: thanks
[07:27] <jjesse> no problem
[07:47] <Tonio_> hey
[07:48] <nixternal> hey Tonio_
[07:50] <jjesse> afternoon Tonio_
[07:50] <Riddell> Tonio_: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-default-settings/+bug/39746
[07:50] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 39746 in kubuntu-default-settings "An erorr, one wish and 2 usability problem with default settings" [Medium,Unconfirmed]  
[07:51] <Riddell> able to answer to that?
[07:54] <Tonio_> hi all, Riddell, looking
[07:55] <Riddell> hah, an e-mail from someone who says he finds kubuntu stripped down so he dual boots between suse and kubuntu, crazy
[07:56] <Tonio_> Riddell: I don't understand his problem with right click on tar.Gz file..... works here
[07:56] <nixternal> lol
[07:56] <Tonio_> concerning the titlebar, buttons are clickable vertically on all its height.... that's just something with the theme...
[07:56] <Riddell> Tonio_: it's an old report
[07:56] <Riddell> so can probably just be closed
[07:56] <Tonio_> concerning the first point, it is not "always" ;)
[07:57] <Tonio_> it "very rarely" appears when popups are opened with dirty javascript, but it is very rare
[07:57] <nixternal> note he is also referring to Dapper Flight 6...and not the latest either
[07:57] <Tonio_> Riddell: there is a real bug with konq settings, but that's due to kds structure and would be hard to correct
[07:58] <Tonio_> when konqueror is autorestart by kde session manager, it loads kds settings patially...... I searched but haven't been able to find out why
[07:58] <Riddell> I still get the bookmarks toolbar reappearing
[07:59] <Tonio_> Riddell: I will answer the bug report, but most items on it are either false or corrected ;)
[07:59] <Tonio_> Riddell: is it by autorestart of konqueror ? that's pretty easy to reproduce
[08:00] <Tonio_> and you can see for example there is no "split" entry in the view menu
[08:00] <Tonio_> but 70% of the settings are still there........ that's very very weird
[08:00] <Tonio_> I didn't test with kde 3.5.3 ;)
[08:00] <Tonio_> will do
[08:59] <toma> a bit ot, but does anyone know a way to install package A, but keep package B, which conflicts with A (bcause i dont think it conflicts)
[09:00] <Riddell> fix the package?
[09:00] <toma> hehe, that is an option
[09:00] <Riddell> what's the packages?
[09:01] <toma> but at the moment i dont feel like repackging the 18 egroupware packages...
[09:01] <toma> it depends on php4, but i think it will run on php5 fine
[09:01] <Riddell> ah right
[09:01] <toma> from their website: "The current stable version of eGroupWare will run on any version of php 4.3+ (recommended php5). "
[09:01] <Riddell> egroupware is probaly just as easy to grab the sources and use rather than use the .deb package
[09:02] <toma> hmm, true, but it is an existing installation and if i do my work right it will be replaced in a few days
[09:04] <toma> maybe i will just cp /var/www/egroupware somwhere safe, remove the package and copy it back
[09:04] <toma> or is there a way to let apt think i dont have it installed anymore?
[09:05] <Riddell> fair plan, unless there is a postrm script that deletes the database or something
[09:08] <toma> Riddell: can i place an exit 0 on top of the postrm script?
[09:09] <Riddell> sure
[09:10] <Tonio_> Riddell: interested in kopete packages ?
[09:10] <Riddell> I think we already have that
[09:11] <Tonio_> unless Tm_t already works on them....
[09:14] <Riddell> freeflying did them
[09:14] <Riddell> Tonio_: see https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuEdgyPackageUpdates
[09:15] <Tonio_> Riddell: thanks for the link
[09:16] <Tonio_> Riddell: when there is no new upstream, should we repackage changing the version in changelog ?
[09:17] <Riddell> if there's changes in debian then take them
[09:17] <Riddell> otherwise just mark as don
[09:17] <Riddell> done
[09:18] <Tonio_> k
[09:18] <Tonio_> I'm maintaining lots of packages in that list, and I already have updates for them ;)
[09:18] <Tonio_> but I need to merge them also
[09:18] <Riddell> so put you name in the wiki
[09:18] <Riddell> but wait a sec, I'm updating
[09:21] <Riddell> ok, I've changed the last column to type
[09:21] <Riddell> so you can fill all those in :)
[09:24] <Tonio_> Riddell: ;) can I add missing applications (I don't see kdbus for example)
[09:24] <Riddell> kdbus is there
[09:25] <Tonio_> hu ? okay.... dirty eyes I assume
[09:30] <bddebian> Hmm, kcontrol looks like it's looking in the wrong places for rgb.txt for a few apps
[09:30] <Tonio_> okay, I added my name on it
[09:30] <Tonio_> I will probably take other packages once that is done ;)
[09:32] <toma> Riddell: oki, managed and it works again.
[09:36] <bddebian> I think kdebase needs a few more Ubuntu modifications ;-)
[09:37] <Riddell> bddebian: what's looking in the wrong place?
[09:37] <bddebian> In some of the control panel stuff, like Appearance->Colors->Widget colors it is only looking in X11R6 path
[09:38] <bddebian> Bug #48793 is one
[09:38] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 48793 in kubuntu-meta "The selection Named Colors under Widget Color gives out an error" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/48793
[09:39] <bddebian> I think this one is related:  Bug #48790
[09:39] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 48790 in kubuntu-meta "Most of the system settings under the Appearance, Panel and Desktop don't work when logged in as graphical root in Kubuntu (dapper)" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/48790
[09:39] <bddebian> xmkmf?? Ugh
[09:40] <Riddell> bddebian: I don't see where Widget Colours is
[09:41] <bddebian> System Settings->Appearance->Colors->Widget Color
[09:41] <bddebian> Then click on the drop down list that has no Name/tag :-)
[09:41] <Riddell> works for me
[09:42] <bddebian> You get the custom colors box right?
[09:42] <bddebian> Then click on the drop down list on the top right and select Named Colors
[09:43] <Riddell> ah hah, yes
[09:43] <Riddell> because the X11 paths have changed
[09:43] <Riddell> you can confirm that then :)
[09:44] <bddebian> Aye, but should it be fixed or is that an Edgy thing?
[09:44] <Riddell> it's an edgy thing
[09:44] <bddebian> OK, thx
[09:44] <Riddell> No 48790 might be because of KDEROOTHOME being set wrong
[09:46] <bddebian> Part of it is both I think
[09:52] <bddebian> Heya pygi
[09:52] <pygi> hey hey bddebian 
[10:11] <Riddell> kwwii: e-mail for you
[10:11] <Riddell> from Tin
[10:11] <Riddell> Tink
[10:12] <kwwii> Riddell: not on my server yet :-)
[10:13] <Riddell> it's to akademy-team
[10:15] <kwwii> cool, I am not on that list :-)
[10:22] <kmon> hi everyone
[10:23] <nixternal> hey kmon
[10:23] <jjesse> kmon: ping?
[10:23] <kmon> hi
[10:23] <nixternal> lol...told you i saw him ;)
[10:23] <jjesse> grin :)
[10:23] <jjesse> i heard from nixternal you were talking about a wiki/doc team for kubuntu?
[10:23] <kmon> yes
[10:24] <kmon> I brought that in the last meeting
[10:24] <jjesse> in the past on the doc team we talked about splitting things off to kubuntu/ubuntu teams and decided not to split things up
[10:24] <jjesse> as we use the same tools and the same repository
[10:24] <jjesse> also people work on both kubuntu and ubuntu docs at the same time if they choose to do so
[10:25] <kmon> my main concern is that pages like https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu are messy
[10:25] <nixternal> my 2 cents on the splitting...i am 50/50 on that...splitting could be good, but i feel it goes agains the true meaning of "ubuntu" or bringing a community/communities together...i dont' know if that is corny..just my 2 cents
[10:25] <jjesse> kmon: i totally agree on that fact
[10:25] <jjesse> maybe there should be a greator focus on kubuntu wiki stuff from a team
[10:26] <kmon> maybe
[10:26] <kmon> dunno
[10:26] <nixternal> jjesse & kmon: the https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu could be placed in CategoryCleanup also, as this will aide in the escallation of getting the job done
[10:26] <jjesse> but i think the ubuntu-doc team shares a lot amongst both kubuntu and ubuntu people including help.ubuntu.com, doc.ubuntu.com and also the repo
[10:26] <jjesse> along with building
[10:27] <jjesse> of the packages
[10:27] <kmon> I see
[10:28] <kmon> nixternal: added the category
[10:29] <kmon> I've also created a discussion page about kubuntu's future ideas
[10:29] <jjesse> i noticed that :)
[10:29] <nixternal> good...that will put it into a queue like for the wiki team...also kmon, any specifications or changes you would like to see, you can let us know and i would be more then happy to help in anyway i can...
[10:29] <nixternal> he did that rather quick ;)
[10:29] <kmon> and I would like Riddell to drop some thoughts about kubuntu's vision of the desktop
[10:29] <kmon> :)
[10:30] <nixternal> that would be nice...i am waiting to see that too ;)
[10:30] <kmon> people are talking about using firefox and so on
[10:30] <jjesse> i'm looking forward to him dropping thoughts on KubuntuDocs/Edgy as well :)
[10:30] <nixternal> don't throw rocks at me please
[10:31] <kmon> and I don't think that is the way to go, I see kubuntu as the "KDE Desktop", i.e. the vision of the desktop metaphor by the KDE community (and you can quote me on that)
[10:31] <kmon> hehe
[10:31] <kmon> nixternal: I won't
[10:31] <nixternal> you are correct...stick with konqueror and offer firefox as an added bonus or something....keep it the way it is...
[10:31] <nixternal> thx kmon
[10:32] <kwwii> I hate to but in on this conversation....but: every company I have known that uses kde on their desktop still use firefox
[10:32] <kmon> I think it's valuble to have a specific firefox package which integrates nicely in kde
[10:32] <kwwii> I love konqi, but that is my experience
[10:32] <kmon> but as an option
[10:32] <kmon> kwwii: but kubuntu is a community driven distro
[10:33] <kmon> isn't it?
[10:33] <nixternal> it has to be kmon if my 2 cents are worth something ;)
[10:33] <kwwii> kmon: yes it is
[10:33] <nixternal> that is why i love it so much
[10:34] <kmon> if it wasn't that way, then why do a ubiquity-kde and ubiquity-gnome?
[10:34] <kmon> at least that's my thoughts
[10:34] <nixternal> the only reason i stay with firefox is because of the extensions
[10:35] <kmon> the good thing about this is that if you don't like it, you can install whatever you need
[10:36] <kmon> anyway....
[10:36] <kmon> that's my 2
[10:36] <kmon> which many people may not share
[10:36] <kmon> :)
[10:36] <nixternal> hehe
[10:36] <nixternal> i enjoy sharing them...as long as i don't make someone mad ;)
[10:37] <kmon> hehe
[10:37] <kmon> no problem with me
[10:37] <nixternal> now if you could get the google notepad in Konqi, well then I will switch ;)
[10:38] <kmon> I love konqueror
[10:38] <kmon> It has every feature I could need
[10:38] <nixternal> i like the fact it is by far faster then firefox and cleaner
[10:38] <kmon> like built-in ad block
[10:38] <kmon> but I agreee
[10:38] <nixternal> it has every feature but like 1 or 2 ;)
[10:39] <kmon> amazon's new "look inside" feature doesn't work correctly
[10:39] <kmon> and other pages have the same problem
[10:39] <nixternal> i have noticed some web pages now are leaning away from being firefox friendly
[10:40] <nixternal> i was looking at some the other day and they didn't look right that visit
[10:40] <nixternal> when i see that..i usually think the webmaster is a frontpage user ;)
[10:42] <kmon> hehe
[10:42] <kmon> could be
[10:43] <nixternal> like my dad...i keep making fun of him...he is a geek, but can't live w/o his m$ ;(
[10:43] <kmon> that's a conceptual problem
[10:43] <nixternal> whichis weird considering he was a unix user in the early 80's
[10:43] <kmon> people just don't see life after ms
[10:43] <kmon> in my work people thinks just like that
[10:43] <nixternal> especially when you get that old too i guess ;)
[10:43] <kmon> it's a shame
[10:44] <nixternal> i remember messing around with unix boxes in the early 80's at my mom's work...and then when i first got wind of linux in like 94 i think..i was in the navy..i started messing with it
[10:44] <kmon> But when you show them off xgl stuff they get amazed
[10:45] <nixternal> my mom likes the XGL...dad could care less
[10:45] <nixternal> i was messing with the rss-xgl port for the really slick screensavers...WOW!!! those are the sweetest screensavers i have ever seen
[10:46] <nixternal> i am going to dedicate some school time here soon also to get back into coding..i coded somewhat a long time ago...as my interests went to networks and hardware..and they still are..i cna't leave them..but i want to code
[10:47] <kmon> I would like to have more free time to code for kubuntu
[10:47] <kmon> but my current work is getting on my free time
[10:48] <DaSkreech> has Expert mode been taken out of the Kubuntu install Cds?
[10:51] <nixternal> i have nothing but free time ;)
[10:51] <kmon> jjesse: about the doc team, if we can manage to fix the kubuntu stuff without creating a separate thing, then great, if not, then we should do something. I'm willing to help here, (but i'm afraid my spare time isn't very big)
[10:52] <jjesse> kmon: i agree, i will try and help as much as i can, and we can address the issue again if thngs aren't moving correctly?
[10:52] <nixternal> kmon: that is where i can come in, because i have spare time right now to help. i will be glad to help. plus i have applied for the doc team, and i am on the wiki team now.
[10:52] <kmon> ok jjesse and nixternal
[10:53] <kmon> please poke me if you need more help on this
[10:53] <kmon> I'll continue doing what I'm doing now
[10:53] <nixternal> sounds good...and if you have some ideas, you can cc me at nixternal@gmail.com also
[10:53] <jjesse> cool, will poke you if you need help
[10:53] <kmon> i.e. looking at pages I don't see polished
[10:54] <nixternal> if you see something that needs polishing...add it to the CategoryCleanup and it will be documented
[10:54] <kmon> nixternal: thanks for the tip
[10:54] <nixternal> i will continue to scour the wiki looking at stuff also
[10:54] <kmon> I'm quite happy with kubuntu's evolution
[10:54] <kmon> it's getting bigger
[10:55] <nixternal> as am i kmon. i really enjoy the community and the fact i can help w/o being a coder is awesome
[10:55] <DaSkreech> has Expert mode been removed from the CD?
[10:55] <kmon> the wiki recent changes is a nice prove of it
[10:55] <nixternal> that and if i want to, i could poke the KDE/Ubuntu man himsel... poke poke Mr. Riddell ;)
[10:55] <kmon> DaSkreech: this place is about kubuntu development, please ask for support in #kubuntu
[10:56] <kmon> and I'm sorry for not being able to answer anything else
[10:56] <kmon> but I don't know
[10:56] <nixternal> you know about http://help.ubuntu.com also kmon?
[10:56] <DaSkreech> Well :-) No one there knows So I was just checking I figured teh developers would knwo
[10:56] <DaSkreech>  I'm asking in #ubuntu as well 
[10:56] <nixternal> that is going to be the new location for Documentation as it seems
[10:56] <DaSkreech> no one there seems to know either
[10:57] <nixternal> removed from what cd DaSkreech?  live or alternate? i386 or 64
[10:57] <nixternal> if i remember correctly, i tapped f6 twice and a little pop up came up asking if i wanted to do expert
[10:58] <DaSkreech> alternate i386 
[10:58] <DaSkreech> nixternal: Thanks
[10:58] <nixternal> ya..i just did that the other day..alternate i386...tap the f6 twice...whatever the last function key is on the right
[10:58] <nixternal> and a little gray box with standard / expert popped up
[10:59] <DaSkreech> Thank you
[10:59] <nixternal> np
[11:01] <DaSkreech> on the topic of Kubuntu Development who is in charge of the System Settings?
[11:02] <Riddell> Sime did various system settings fixes for dapper
[11:03] <DaSkreech> Ok
[11:04] <DaSkreech> I still haven't launchpad my bugs for it :(
[11:07] <nixternal> does system settings have a place on launchpad for bugs? i think i was looking earlier and it said it wasn't available
[11:08] <DaSkreech> Well .. I haven't looked :"( so I don't know yet
[11:08] <DaSkreech> Should it?
[11:09] <DaSkreech> It's nearly an extension of KControl isn't it?
[11:10] <nixternal> ok..when i goto report a bug for "KDE system settings" is states "KDE system settings does not use Malone as its bug tracker."
[11:10] <nixternal> have to use the official bug tracker
[11:11] <nixternal> you are correct DaSkreech...and it connects them in the launchpad..but Malone doesn't track it's bugs
[11:13] <DaSkreech> alright
[11:13] <nixternal> im guessing by official they mean http://bugs.kde.org
[11:13] <nixternal> i have a small annoyance with Print Setup that seems like a bug...i haven't found it yet on bugs.kde though
[11:14] <DaSkreech> Whats the Annoyance?
[11:15] <nixternal> when i add a smb printer..and scan the network..i have to scan the network as anonymous, go back one step, then select guest, then go back and select the printer
[11:16] <nixternal> it is with every install too...and the system my printer is on is win2k wide open pretty much since it is NAT
[11:17] <nixternal> the printer installs and works fine...just the extra step during install..i only do it once...that is why i think it is an annoyance