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Riddelllinuxmonkey: do you have a wiki page?12:04
linuxmonkeyyes12:05
Tonio_Lure: kpowersave in kubuntu is quite frustrating12:05
linuxmonkeyhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/Linuxmonkey12:05
imbrandonRiddell: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Linuxmonkey12:05
Riddelllinuxmonkey: what have you done to help Kubuntu?12:05
linuxmonkeywell I help out as much as I can in #kubuntu as well as I have started to design Display Pictures for people to use to be able to show their support for Kubuntu12:06
Tonio_linuxmonkey: what are your plans for future contributions ?12:07
=== imbrandon can speak for linuxmonkey in that i have seen him help new users esp in #kubuntu and dosent stray from the CoC when I've been arround to notice him ( we are on diffrent schedules )
=== Hobbsee hasnt seemed to notice linuxmonkey before - not sure why though...
linuxmonkeywell I plan to help fix up the docs for kubuntu and keep supporting out vast user base12:08
Tonio_imbrandon: I can confirm I saw him beeing quite active on #kubuntu12:08
imbrandonHobbsee: me and you are awake at diffrent times than linuxmonkey12:08
Riddelllinuxmonkey: have you spoken to jjesse or robotgeek?12:08
Hobbseeimbrandon: fair enough12:08
tomalinuxmonkey: how long are you around helping people?12:08
linuxmonkeywell id have to say a few months atleast, i had a 1 month vacation about 2 months ago12:09
Tonio_linuxmonkey: did you get a launchpad account and signed the code of conduct ?12:09
HobbseeTonio_: yeah, there's one there, nothing on it12:10
Riddellseems to be active on irc from 27th May12:10
imbrandoni have realy noticed him about the last 1 months personaly , but then again i'm on a diffrent schedule than him12:10
LureTonio_: yes - https://launchpad.net/people/linuxmonkey/12:10
Hobbsee27th of may...a week and a half ago, or os12:10
Hobbsee*so12:10
linuxmonkeyyes ive signed the codes of conducts 1.0 and couldnt sign 1.0.1 yet since there's a bug on LP12:11
linuxmonkeyive been here longer12:11
tomanot subscribed to any bugs?12:11
tomaor filed any?12:11
Hobbseethe zero karma is a little odd...12:11
linuxmonkeynot yet no, and was having an issue filling a few12:11
Riddellgosh, quite a grilling we give :)12:11
Riddelllinuxmonkey: you should talk to jjesse and robotgeek about helping with docs, that would be great12:12
Tonio_Hobbsee: well I was still 0 karma when I became member :) packages don't bring points for example ;)12:12
linuxmonkeyI shall do that12:12
LureRiddell: you have to keep the standards..;-)12:12
Riddelland see if you have ideas for the spec jjesse started https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuDocs/Edgy12:12
Hobbseehehe - i saw that the CC was doign the same for the memberships a few days ago12:12
HobbseeTonio_: true, they do show in launchpad though12:12
Tonio_Hobbsee: true :)12:13
Riddelllinuxmonkey: but I think we need more visible contributions before making you a member12:13
linuxmonkeythats cool12:13
Riddelllinuxmonkey: but don't let this put you off, #kubuntu needs all the helpers it can get and docs do too12:13
Riddellso come back soon and you should be in12:13
Tonio_linuxmonkey: agree with Riddell... We appreciate your willing to become a member and help, but that needs more visible and concrete stuff12:13
linuxmonkeyno worries, I will12:14
Riddellanyone else for membership?12:14
jendasorry to disturb... how does one book this channel for a meeting? (The New User Network)12:14
Riddelljenda: e-mail fridge-devel@lists.ubuntu.com12:14
jendaok12:14
Riddellany other business?12:14
tomayes, if we dont hang out on #kubuntu we dont see contributions12:14
=== toma is guilty
pygiRiddell, well, that grub implementation stuff if you want to discuss :)12:15
Hobbseethere are logs though - which can be added to wiki pages or whatever...12:15
Riddellpygi: what's that?12:15
pygiRiddell, that guidance module for grub configuring we were talking about?12:15
imbrandontoma: irc logs ;)12:15
Lurean dwe have Hobbsee 12:15
pygiotherwise nothing :)12:15
tomak12:15
Lure(irc op and stuff ;-))12:15
linuxmonkeylol adding logs to wiki, that be 1 very long wiki12:15
HobbseeLure: hmmm?  only when my brain is working...12:15
Riddellpygi: just takes someone to write it12:15
pygiRiddell, bah,ok, nvm :)12:16
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=== pygi rests his case ;)
Riddelldid we all like dapper?12:16
tomapygi: you can't write?12:16
imbrandonbtw Hobbsee / Riddell how does one apply for the irc op team ? ya know since i spend all my time here and all ;)12:16
HobbseeRiddell: no, we hated it :P12:16
LureRiddell: of course - particularly with kde 3.5.3 ;-)12:16
=== imbrandon loves dapper
Riddellimbrandon: just ask me12:16
Tonio_Riddell: kubuntu dapper is nice, but kde settings sucks, really ;)12:16
Hobbseeimbrandon: you run the IRC op gauntlet, and many other daunting tasks12:17
Hobbsee+1 Tonio_ 12:17
pygitoma, perhaps I might, but there are things of higher priority :)12:17
Tonio_Hobbsee: hehe12:17
imbrandonheh ;)12:17
Hobbsee:)12:17
tomapygi: oki!12:17
imbrandonohhhhhh12:17
kmonRiddell: dapper rocks12:17
imbrandonone last thing i forgot about on the agenda12:17
Hobbseehee12:17
nixternalummm...whats dapper?12:17
nixternal;)12:17
tomaI like dapper very much, although i dont like the printing affair.12:17
imbrandonRiddell: what about a Systems settings module for Samba like kcontrol has ?12:17
Luretoma: printing is over-rated by this blog guy12:18
Tonio_the only thing we can regret copmparing to ubuntu is compiz..... and that isn't ready to change12:18
Riddellimbrandon: we should look at fixing any bugs the existing one has for edgy12:18
tomaLure: yes. 12:18
Tonio_but appart from that, the changes between breezy and dapper are hudge12:18
RiddellTonio_: well I have a spec for that, I just have zero idea how to implement it12:19
=== claydoh got smacked on the head when his mrs had to print, and I wasn't arouind to hold her hand
Tonio_I don't remember another kde based distro that improved that much in only 6 month....12:19
Luretoma: regular users do not have problems prinitng, while this guy wants to have the cups his way, while Ubuntu guys decided on different direction12:19
Tonio_Riddell: when you know that zack tried and failed........12:19
Tonio_Riddell: I just think we can wait for kde4 for compiz.....12:19
nixternali have 5 different printers and cups loves all 5...not one usb'd to my machines...all samba and tcp/ip12:19
tomaLure: well, i can't print either and that hurts when i want to make invoices. 12:20
RiddellTonio_: oh I don't know about that, I suspect suse will come up with something very soon12:20
Riddellok, we're getting into discussion now12:20
Luretoma: really? bug#?12:20
Riddelldate of next meeting?12:20
tomaLure: but lets not get into that, people are working on it.12:20
Tonio_Riddell: as you say "I will beleive it when I see it !" ;)12:20
=== Hobbsee will likely not be at the next meeting, depending on when it is
Tonio_Riddell: in 2 weeks ?12:21
imbrandon6/20/2006  ?12:21
linuxmonkeyHobbsee: you almost missed this one12:21
linuxmonkeylmao12:21
RiddellTonio_: 2 weeks is the summit12:21
Lurebefore or after or from paris?12:21
Lure;-)12:21
Riddellshould be after summit12:21
Hobbseelinuxmonkey: i'm not great with mornings :P12:21
Riddelland preferably not on a tech board night12:21
Tonio_Riddell: true....12:21
Riddell26th?12:21
linuxmonkeyits 7:21PM here:)12:21
Tonio_in three weeks then, on thuesday ?12:21
Hobbsee@schedule sydney12:22
UbugtuSchedule for Australia/Sydney: Current meeting: Kubuntu | 07 Jun 23:30: Xubuntu | 08 Jun 06:00: Edubuntu | 08 Jun 18:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 14 Jun 22:00: Edubuntu | 14 Jun 23:30: Xubuntu12:22
Hobbseelinuxmonkey: ^12:22
Hobbseeer, 7am here12:22
tomaRiddell: are you happy with dapper?12:22
Riddelldon't tuesdays clash with tech/community board?12:22
Riddelltoma: I think dapper rocks!12:22
Riddellit has weaknesses like laptop support and that printing stuff, but in general I'm really proud of it12:23
Riddelland the developer community we have here is the best bit12:23
tomayes, you all did a great job!12:23
Hobbseeheh.  i'd intended to sit back and watch dapper being created.  it didnt seem to happen that way though.12:23
imbrandoncen we get kwii to get rid of the bubbles for edgy, it reminds me of kde2 ;)12:23
imbrandoncan*12:23
Riddellany problems with monday 26th at 21:00UTC?12:23
Riddellimbrandon: we'll have something different certainly, I like the bubbles though12:24
Tonio_Riddell: fine with me ;)12:24
imbrandon26 at 2100 is cool with me12:24
linuxmonkeyi'll be here12:24
Hobbseeer...exams will be done by them, so it should be okay12:24
Hobbseejust12:24
imbrandonRiddell: since Odyx isnt here want me to do the minutes ?12:25
tomaok for me12:25
Riddellimbrandon: that would be great12:25
imbrandonkk12:25
claydohevery distro's kde setup makes me love my kubuntu desktop evenn more12:25
linuxmonkeyoh 1 other thing can we get the LP CoC 1.0.1 fixed :)12:25
Riddellimbrandon: and if you could e-mail fridge-devel with the next meeting that would be great too12:25
imbrandonRiddell: sure12:25
claydohreally, its the little simplifications, etc i like12:25
HobbseeRiddell: i want a purple kubuntu :P12:25
linuxmonkeylol12:25
imbrandonzomg !!!!!!11112:25
kmonHobbsee: I had mine that way12:25
Hobbseeimbrandon: no, that's pink :P12:25
imbrandonand PONIES !12:26
Tonio_Hobbsee: bwa !!!!!!!! purple ???12:26
Hobbseeyeah, purple!12:26
tomaoh, and i wanted to say thanks for the minutes of last meeting. they look totally cool!12:26
Riddellwell this is getting silly now12:26
Hobbseehehe12:26
Riddellremember to review the specs https://launchpad.net/people/jr/+specs12:26
linuxmonkeyHobbsee: mess with your monitor settings and your should be able to turn the blue to purple fairly easely12:26
HobbseeRiddell: i'm in the meeting, do you expect it to be anything else?12:26
RiddellHobbsee: go to university and don't be late!12:26
Riddellnight all12:26
HobbseeRiddell: hehe!  sure i will :P12:26
Tonio_nite12:26
=== imbrandon suspecs she is already late
kmonbye12:26
Lurenight all12:26
=== Hobbsee thinks she'll actually be on time todya
tomanite all12:26
Hobbseeimbrandon: it starts in an hour and a half12:27
linuxmonkeyand its 2 hours away?12:27
linuxmonkeyhehehe12:27
Hobbseeno...25min away...12:27
tomatime for coffee then12:27
Hobbseebleck, i dont drink coffee.12:27
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goldenearRiddell: who are Ellen and Tania ?12:30
Riddellgoldenear: -> #kubuntu-devel12:31
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nipperHow can I make a proposal for the next meeting?01:21
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zul@schedule montreal01:26
UbugtuSchedule for America/Montreal: 07 Jun 09:30: Xubuntu | 07 Jun 16:00: Edubuntu | 08 Jun 04:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 14 Jun 08:00: Edubuntu | 14 Jun 09:30: Xubuntu | 15 Jun 10:00: Ubuntu Development Team01:26
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highvoltage@schedule02:01
UbugtuSchedule for Etc/UTC: 07 Jun 13:30: Xubuntu | 07 Jun 20:00: Edubuntu | 08 Jun 08:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 14 Jun 12:00: Edubuntu | 14 Jun 13:30: Xubuntu | 15 Jun 14:00: Ubuntu Development Team02:01
highvoltage@schedule washington02:05
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cbx33@schedule london02:05
UbugtuSchedule for Europe/London: 07 Jun 14:30: Xubuntu | 07 Jun 21:00: Edubuntu | 08 Jun 09:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 14 Jun 13:00: Edubuntu | 14 Jun 14:30: Xubuntu | 15 Jun 15:00: Ubuntu Development Team02:05
jsgotangco@schedule manila02:06
UbugtuSchedule for Asia/Manila: 07 Jun 21:30: Xubuntu | 08 Jun 04:00: Edubuntu | 08 Jun 16:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 14 Jun 20:00: Edubuntu | 14 Jun 21:30: Xubuntu | 15 Jun 22:00: Ubuntu Development Team02:06
jsgotangcoyay02:06
ajmitchperfect time for an edubuntu meeting, right?02:06
cbx33hehe02:06
jsgotangcoI LOVE IT02:06
flint@schedule washington02:08
flint@schedule est02:09
UbugtuSchedule for EST: 07 Jun 08:30: Xubuntu | 07 Jun 15:00: Edubuntu | 08 Jun 03:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 14 Jun 07:00: Edubuntu | 14 Jun 08:30: Xubuntu | 15 Jun 09:00: Ubuntu Development Team02:09
flint@schedule est02:13
UbugtuSchedule for EST: 07 Jun 08:30: Xubuntu | 07 Jun 15:00: Edubuntu | 08 Jun 03:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 14 Jun 07:00: Edubuntu | 14 Jun 08:30: Xubuntu | 15 Jun 09:00: Ubuntu Development Team02:13
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=== ..[topic/#ubuntu-meeting:Ubugtu] : Current meeting: Xubuntu | Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 07 Jun 20:00 UTC: Edubuntu | 08 Jun 08:00 UTC: Ubuntu Development Team | 14 Jun 12:00 UTC: Edubuntu | 14 Jun 13:30 UTC: Xubuntu | 15 Jun 14:00 UTC: Ubuntu Development Team
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EmxBAhi 03:25
EmxBAso current meeting is Xubuntu right03:26
seanhaccording to the fridge, yes03:26
janimoEmxBA: should start in a few minutes03:26
EmxBAok03:26
janimothere's no agenda though03:27
janimoEmxBA: anything in particular that you want to discuss?03:28
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EmxBAjanimo: not really03:28
EmxBAmaybe edubuntu 03:28
EmxBAoh, I know 03:28
EmxBAi had several problems with espresso03:28
EmxBAi suppose you know hat it is :P03:29
EmxBA*what03:29
janimoyes, for bug reports LP is the way to go, not the meeting though :)03:29
EmxBAok03:30
janimonomed: ping03:30
seanhEmxBA - I just recently installed xubuntu and am interested, about how many people are there working on it?03:30
EmxBAit looks good03:31
EmxBAi tried xfce 4 on slackware03:31
EmxBAlooks bad03:31
EmxBAit is better on xubuntu03:31
EmxBAreally03:31
janimocrimsun: hi, we have no agenda for the meeting so if there's anything you want to talk about please do03:33
janimosame for others03:33
crimsunjanimo: (ok)03:33
janimoI haven't got around to make edgy specs from any of the wiki ideas yet03:33
crimsunok, just finished reading XubuntuEdgyIdeas03:36
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janimocrimsun, feel free to edit that page if you have things to add03:37
janimohighvoltage: hi03:37
highvoltagei have a new Xubuntu website ready off-line, which i think looks great, and will be easier to update than our static page atm.03:37
janimohighvoltage: good news :)03:37
highvoltageZnarl has just set up the database, and will be sending me the password today.03:37
janimohighvoltage: when you get a chance can you describe what are the exact logout actions which should be allowed in a thin client?03:38
crimsunnot sure if we're following any sort of order for "Important Features", but the one that certainly interests me is the multimedia situation. The thread on the mailing list seems to have decent suggestions. I suspect we'll want to replace xfmedia pretty soon/early in Edgy?03:38
janimocomment on the LP bug you opened preferably03:38
janimocrimsun: I agree, we can go gxine shortly after edgy opens03:38
janimoor whatever yuo think fits better03:39
EmxBAok03:39
crimsunI think gxine is a good initial replacement, but many people want to see a GSt-based one in Edgy, it seems03:39
seanhmy two cents: I haven't seen this mailing list thread, but the most common command I've typed since installing xubuntu is "killall xfmedia"03:39
janimocrimsun: but are there any besides totem?03:39
EmxBAi assume no03:39
janimogood ones, like xine based one03:39
janimoseanh: yeah, it's hanging too often03:40
highvoltagegxine is great.03:40
crimsunI don't know of one off the top of my head that will do both audio and video like Totem03:40
seanhHave you considered having a music player and a video player seperately?03:40
janimocrimsun: totem depends on gnome libs though as seen in the thread03:40
crimsunjanimo: right, problematic03:41
janimoseanh: sure03:41
highvoltagei've seen beep-media-player pop up in some old threads and wiki pages. is there a reason that won't work for xubuntu?03:41
janimohighvoltage: that is discontinued by upstream03:41
janimothey were working on xmms3 last time I read03:41
EmxBAwhere can ubuntu-lite be downloaded03:42
crimsunright, and upstream hopes to have 0.20, the next version, of BMPx available for Edgy03:42
janimoEmxBA: ubuntulite.org I presume03:42
EmxBAno03:42
EmxBACurently no download links are avalible03:42
highvoltageah03:42
crimsunBMPx is a completely rewritten app based on GSt. It's library-based similar many of the newer audio apps. It should play video, too, but I haven't tried with the latest stable, 0.14.x03:43
janimocrimsun: sounds good03:43
seanhjust installed gxine, immediate comments: It needs a splash screen to launch, there is a button on the main interface to change the audio channel03:43
seanhit seems to have some adult channels installed by default, I'm not even sure what they are, internet radio or tv it seems, the UI is quite bad in my opinion03:45
crimsunseanh: Darren Salt's quite responsive to gxine bug reports, so many of those things could be addressed03:45
seanhRight, you'd really want to overhaul the UI from the looks of it, there's a lot of strange technical details exposed03:46
janimocrimsun: did the BMPx devs specifically mention edgy or their schedule just coincides with edgy's ?03:47
crimsunI do want to point out some additional shortcomings of gxine, the most important of which is the fact that it's based on xine-lib. From a technical perspective, being xine-lib-based introduces a problem of forcing a user to restart the application whenever a new sound card is chosen.03:47
crimsunjanimo: they're not tying BMPx 0.20 to Edgy, but last I chatted with the devs, they hope to have it in time for Edgy03:48
crimsuni.e., no rigorous committment03:48
janimocrimsun: the sound-card switch thing is a corner case though no? especially in xubuntu targetted machines03:48
janimocrimsun: do you know anything about how xinelibs and gst (not any players based on them) compare wrt memory requirements?03:49
crimsunjanimo: depends whether one considers having multiple sound devices a corner case nowadays :)  but yes, I do see your point.03:49
crimsunjanimo: I haven't done specific evalution03:49
janimothe major disadvantage to xine I see is that since both gnome and kde move over to it, we'd be havoing it in main only for us, and carry it along03:50
janimoI think kubuntu 6.06 still has xine right?03:50
Riddelljanimo: yes03:50
crimsunright, the fact that both gnome 2.12 and kde 4 (will) have migrated to GSt is a strong reason to choose a GSt-based player03:51
Riddellkde 4 isn't migrating to gstreamer03:51
Riddellit's migrating to whichever backend is best on the day03:52
ograbut kubuntu :)03:52
crimsunRiddell: what are the choices being considered?03:52
janimoRiddell: yeah, they thought there are not yet enough layers of from apps to the hw03:52
Riddellcrimsun: phonon using xine, NMM, gstreamer, anything else that comes along03:52
crimsunRiddell: hmm, ok, thanks03:53
janimolayers of abstraction I meant03:53
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mjg59Riddell: For generic media purposes - presumably gstreamer will end up used for more complex cases?03:53
Riddellmjg59: depends on the choice of the application author03:54
Riddellbut using gstreamer directly in KDE would be frowned upon for binary compatibility reasons03:54
crimsunFor Xubuntu, seanh's query is pertinent then. Should there be separate audio and video players?03:56
crimsunI'm inclined to shy from introducing that separation03:56
janimocrimsun: I'm fine with whatever you chose03:56
janimoI think anything will be an improvement over current status03:57
janimogxine plays audio too so we can just have that03:57
crimsunok, I move that when Edgy opens, we replace xfmedia with gxine but continue to evaluate GSt-based players03:57
janimocrimsun: agreed03:58
nomedi'm in late 03:58
nomedhi all03:58
janimohi nomed03:58
janimocrimsun: I assume we ant to keep all the deps of gxine and bring them in main, however crazy :)03:58
crimsunI believe Gauvain tried compiling gtk-only totem and had difficulties03:59
crimsunjanimo: hmm, yes, for now03:59
crimsun'lo nomed 03:59
janimocrimsun: yes, g-vfs deps03:59
janimonomed: we have been discussing multimedia status for now. Any topic you want to discuss? Agenda is empty04:00
nomedjanimo, ex..04:00
nomedi'm moderating the xubuntu board of the ubuntu-it forum04:01
nomedwhat i've seen there is:04:01
nomed1) users have problems with "edit menu"04:01
nomedMANY04:01
janimoRiddell: do you know if there are specific apps which may become common (module GUI) for edgy?04:01
nomedthey will not check in launchpad04:01
nomedNEVER04:01
nomedif there are known bug04:01
janimoRiddell: kde/gnome apps I mean04:01
crimsunnomed: yeah, that menu-editor one is pretty annoying04:02
janimolike language-support is now04:02
nomed2) xfmedia doesn't work04:02
janimocrimsun, nomed I agree I'll have to take a look at it these days04:02
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nomedusers that used xubuntu on old machines ..04:02
nomedwere thinking it was too slow04:03
nomedbecause of xfmedia ..04:03
janimonomed: as a workaround these and other issues may need to be prominently advertised on the xubuntu-it site04:03
nomedex while playing audio cds04:03
Riddelljanimo: network-manager04:03
janimosince it is quite normal people wont' check LP04:03
Riddelljanimo: beagle maybe?04:03
nomedjanimo, done ...04:03
janimoRiddell: that already is backend+frontend no? Or does kde use something else now?04:03
Riddelljanimo: back/frontend are separated, we have knetworkmanager04:04
janimoRiddell: how about the gnome-power-manager? Does kde have something like that?04:04
nomedbut they do not check if the topic is a "stiky" 04:04
Riddelljanimo: kde has the unmaintained klaptopdaemon and the suse maintained kpowersave04:04
nomedthen ...04:04
nomedthey expect that thunar can have:04:05
nomed1) ssh as gnome vfs04:05
nomed2) they want to use samba+file manager04:05
Riddelljanimo: kde may also get compiz support for edgy, possibly, maybe04:05
janimoRiddell: update-manager/notifier?04:06
crimsunnomed: thunar doesn't currently have support for smb, does it?04:06
janimocrimsun: it does not04:06
nomedcrimsun, it doesn't04:06
crimsunright04:06
Riddelljanimo: we have adept for both04:06
janimoRiddell: yeah, I mean is a unification with the gnome ones planned ?04:06
nomedthe lang switcher doesn't work ..04:07
janimonomed: the keyboard switcher?04:07
janimoor the language selector?04:07
nomedwe may thing to use ubiquity code for that04:07
nomedjanimo, kayboard switcher04:07
Riddelljanimo: no, although the language selector has a qt version and gdebi and dist-upgrader may gain kde ports04:07
janimonomed, hmm does not work or cannot add new layouts from the GUI?04:07
nomedjanimo, no langs available04:08
nomedubiquity gas a big list ...04:08
nomedand it's possible to select all of them from its frontend04:08
janimonomed, yes need to edit xorg.conf. Sad but Gauvain and I got too late into the xkb plugin to make it ready for dapper04:08
janimonomed: it will be done for edgy definitely04:09
nomedjanimo, nice :)04:09
nomedi'm just listing all the feedbacks i got ..04:09
janimonomed: thanks04:09
nomedthat i think could be xubuntu edgy  stuff04:10
janimothe menueditor at least should be dapper-updates stuff as well04:10
crimsunyeah, that should be highest priority imo04:10
nomedjanimo, it has to ..04:10
nomedwhat i'd add is:04:11
nomed1) desktop search tool04:11
nomed2) galago +  mail client04:11
nomed3) notification daemon04:12
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nomedi've been testing sylpheed ..04:12
nomedbut it needs to improve04:12
nomedfrom the gui to the usability04:13
nomedif we want to use it ..04:13
nomedwe have to contact upstreamers i guess04:13
ograwe were discussing balsa for edubuntu recently04:13
janimoor just continue using t-bird 04:13
nomedogra, that's something i should test04:13
nomedjanimo, thunaderbird is not that good for old machines04:14
janimoogra, what's wrong woth t-bird (as it's in main already)04:14
nomedif it'll be possible to use04:14
janimonomed, I know, but sylpheed has too many quirks04:14
nomed*saemonkey*04:14
ograjanimo, tb has tb langpacks04:14
janimoand mail clients are not that important imho04:14
nomedwe'll have all there04:14
nomedjanimo, i do not think so ..04:14
nomed:)04:15
crimsunbut seamonkey has even heftier system requirements last time I evaluated it04:15
ograjanimo, if i look at new stuff for edubuntu, my main concern is to reduce CD size04:15
nomedbut we have different ideas here :)04:15
janimoogra, I know. t-bird was about 8Meg smaller than evo right?04:15
nomedogra, seamonkey has browser+mail client04:15
janimoogra, the best way for you to get that would be to work on dpkg-7zip :)04:15
ograjanimo, including all the langpacks you need on the CD i very much doubt it04:15
nomedand it's really faster then firefox ..04:15
janimoogra, w/o langpacks, true04:16
nomedi dunno how it's doable to include it in main04:16
janimonomed, seamonlye (mozilla) was just dropped to universe, so I don;t know if it would come back04:16
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ograjanimo, balsa translations would only grow the gnome langpack in a minimal way and balsa itself is 2.5M04:16
nomedohh ..04:16
janimonew ffox/tbird should build on the new seamonkey code and be faster as well04:16
janimoin theory04:16
nomedjanimo, that would be ideal04:17
crimsunhow much interaction is planned with UbuntuLite?04:20
janimocrimsun: I hope they will be interested04:21
janimoI'd like to get icewm and/or fluxbox on the CD04:21
janimobut I doubt I'll be able to handle upstream interaction/packaging whatever else by myself04:22
nomedicewm has better "feedesktop standard" support04:22
janimoso I hope either ubuntu lite or existing MOTUs show interest04:22
crimsunok, and just on the CD, or do you envision there being a selector in the installer?04:22
janimonomed: that by itslef is no big deal :) . People need it because it's light04:22
crimsun(not sure how this would affect the whole "X" branding...)04:22
janimocrimsun: I though of a minimal intervention in the installer (the least minimal being a boot option) to chose from the exiting desktops04:23
nomedfor fluxbox there are nubuntu guys04:23
janimolike feesbie ot some other FreeBDS livecd does with flux/xfce04:23
nomedi don't know that much about nubuntu04:23
crimsunnot familiar w/ nubuntu either04:23
nomedbut they are active on thei project ..04:23
nomedif ubuntulite ppl do not show interest04:24
nomedthat's a possible alternative04:24
janimoright04:24
nomedthey'll take care for sure of fluxbox ackages04:24
nomed+04:24
nomedconfigrations04:24
janimofrom the nubuntu page04:25
janimowe do not think about whether people are using it or not.  We are more concerned about the learning process04:25
janimodoes not mean it cannot be good though :)04:25
nomedehehe04:25
crimsunI'm in favour of including both icewm and fluxbox in addition as an initial step04:25
janimocrimsun: including on the CD? or are you thinking of how to present the choice to the user as wlel?04:26
nomedi'm not sure that's a good idea ..04:27
crimsunjanimo: I think if either/both are to be on the CD, prompting needs to stay away from the installer04:27
nomedi agree04:27
janimocrimsun, so just install them and appearing in GDM menu?04:27
crimsunjanimo: not even sure I'd have them installed, just on the CD. Conceivably people wanting Xfce wouldn't want either of the others04:28
janimoor they could be an explicit boot option since only people who know about them will choose them04:28
janimobut we need some way to run them in the desktop CD04:28
crimsunright, something at boot time is preferable to an installer prompt or shoehorning either into gdm04:29
janimothat'd make the difference of being able to run in 64M live or not04:29
nomedjanimo, that probably means to patch casper04:29
janimodepends also on liveCD improvemts for edgy thiugh04:29
Mithrandirjanimo: what kind of live CD improvements are you looking for?04:29
janimoright now xfce live runs up until the Xfce splash screen in 64M then the wheel stops turning...04:30
janimoMithrandir: make it much faster, and make it use much less ram . Nothing more :)04:30
Mithrandirjanimo: that's probably more "desktop" and less "live cd", though.04:30
nomedMithrandir, i've never checked it ..04:32
janimoMithrandir: I was just mentioning that our aim of running a live/desktop CD in 64M using fluxbox or icewm may be reached without us doing anything if improvements were don in the liveCD 04:32
nomeddoes casper support swap ?04:32
Mithrandirnomed: casper uses and swap which is already set up, so yes.04:32
Mithrandirs/and/any04:32
crimsunany additional items for Xubuntu discussion? (another meeting offline shortly)04:34
nomedMithrandir, if i'm not wrong livecds as knoppix can use a swap made on a win partition ..04:34
nomedbut i'm not even sure of that ..04:34
nomedcrimsun, for me it's over04:35
nomedcu 04:35
Mithrandirnomed: patches accepted. :-)04:36
crimsunjanimo: ok, Xubuntu adjourned then?04:36
nomedMithrandir, i'll take a look04:36
janimocrimsun: yes04:36
nomedi need to go for a while now04:36
nomedbye04:36
crimsunok.04:36
Mithrandir(as in, I'll accept patches, but it's not near the top of my list, so I probably won't get to do it myself)04:37
janimobye all04:37
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lucasvohi pygi 09:55
lucasvoalready warming up ?09:55
pygilucasvo, hehe :)09:55
HedgeMagehehe09:55
pygiWas just watching croatia vs. spain 09:56
pygijoy :-P09:56
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neuralispygi: how did we do?09:56
pygineuralis, we are winning 1:009:57
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pygispain player gave himself a goal with head :)09:57
neuralisawesome.09:57
lucasvowow09:57
pygiindeed, but we almost got like 3 goals :-/09:57
pygiDefence is not good :-/09:57
HedgeMageI'm ssh'ed to an irssi session on my linux box from hubby's windows lappy, so if this borks itself at some point, give me 5 minutes to corral TT and get into the office09:58
pygiHedgeMage, no worries ;)09:58
cbx33As you are all aware, my laptop is playing up with the keyboard09:58
HedgeMagehehe :)09:58
cbx33please ignore typos, I'm trying to resolve09:58
mhzTT...lol!09:58
JaneWhello - sorry I am late09:58
mhzJaneW: hey!!09:59
JaneWor am I early?09:59
cbx33but the bug is very ellusive09:59
lucasvocbx33: just don't mess up with - and +09:59
cbx33heheh09:59
HedgeMageJaneW: right on time.09:59
lucasvohi JaneW 09:59
JaneWyay09:59
pygineuralis, whats new with you? I hear there are still legal things to settle with that python thing of yours :(09:59
JaneWsorry I am not completely compus mentus09:59
pygihey JaneW ;)09:59
Amaranth1 minute09:59
cbx33Hi Jane09:59
cbx33how are you feeling09:59
cbx33have we started yet?09:59
lucasvocbx33: not yet09:59
lucasvoactually it just turned 22:0010:00
cbx33<--------------------------------------------meeting notes start here---------------------------------------------->10:00
neuralispygi: i'm in croatia; ping me outside of the meeting, we'll have a beer.10:00
JaneWnot great10:00
pygineuralis, nice, great ;)10:00
ograhi all10:00
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cbx33hey ogra 10:01
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highvoltagehi edubuntero's10:01
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lucasvohi everybody10:01
cbx33Burgwork, he could mean he's smiling10:01
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ograi dont think we need to got through the general agenda items today10:02
ograedgy isnt open yet 10:02
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cbx33Burgwork, having just read #edubuntu I was wrong10:02
Burgworkcbx33, no comment10:02
JaneWogra: we got member candidates?10:02
ograyes, two 10:02
lucasvoJaneW: yup10:02
HedgeMageJaneW: me! :D10:02
JaneWHedgeMage: :)10:02
highvoltagewhohoo!10:03
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ograjust a short update, i'm working on a fix for dapper-updates for edubuntu-artwork (in case you didnt notice we're missing the cursor theme)10:03
HedgeMagerofl cbx33 10:03
cbx33cool ogra 10:03
lucasvocbx33: don't you see the tons of chocolate in front of you?10:03
cbx33ahhh....that's waht it was10:03
cbx33ogra, i see the homies have been making an appearance in a lot of places10:04
ograadditionally, thanks to highvoltage LaserJock and cbx33 for adding specs and spec ideas on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuEdgyIdeas10:04
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highvoltagecool. more specs will populate that space shortly :)10:04
cbx33oooh, what  you have up your sleeve?10:04
lucasvowhat is our agenda today?10:04
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ograin case you want to add something still, only things with initial spec attached will be considered10:04
HedgeMage:)10:05
pygihighvoltage, indeed, along with new S-C-P specc :)10:05
jsgotangcomorning10:05
JaneWis the whole EC here?10:05
lucasvoonly voting for edubuntu members?10:05
JaneWjsgotangco: ?10:05
JaneWoh hi jsgotangco 10:05
jsgotangco4am =)10:05
ograJaneW, LaserJock is missing it seems10:05
JaneWLaserJock?10:05
cbx33pygi, cool10:05
cbx33he;s around10:05
cbx33but v.busy10:05
HedgeMageS-C-P == ?10:05
ograjust not here10:05
jsgotangcostudent control panel10:05
lucasvoHedgeMage: student control panel10:05
cbx33nope10:05
ograHedgeMage, student control panel10:05
HedgeMagelucasvo: ahh cool10:05
ograi'm just writing on the spec10:06
cbx33cool10:06
pygiogra, oki, tell me so I can see what needs to be done, or add something perhaps ;)10:06
cbx33I'd like to see it too10:06
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LaserJocksorry people10:06
lucasvohi LaserJock 10:06
JaneWhi LaserJock 10:07
cbx33woh LaserJock fancy meeting you here ;)10:07
JaneWok everyone is here10:07
ograpygi, in principle it will only list the stuff from the TODO and two or three additional features10:07
Amaranthso, what spec did you guys want to kidnap me for? :)10:07
JaneWso this is my last EC meeting. I will be around for next week's Edubuntu regular meeting.10:07
ograok, enough edubuntu stuff lets start with the fun :)10:07
cbx33:( JaneW 10:07
HedgeMageJaneW: we'll be sorry to see you go :(10:08
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JaneWI obviously have to step down from the EC...10:08
mhz-h10:08
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JaneWbut am happy to vote tonight - if I may10:08
JaneW?10:08
mhznope :D10:08
highvoltage+110:08
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ograAmaranth, willow-ng is enough, really ... if you still have sparetime you can add https filtering :P10:08
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Amaranthhehe10:08
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JaneWare you guys happy to remain with an EC of 4 from now on, for the next while?10:09
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ograJaneW, you can evenn stay in the council if you want i see no reason why not10:09
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cbx33ogra, true10:09
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cbx33tut tut LaserJock 10:09
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cbx33+110:09
JaneWogra: I am not sure I can commit to carrying out responsibilities10:09
ograso we'd at least see you once a month :)10:09
cbx33oh wait I already did10:09
LaserJockogra: should the EC vote to keep JaneW in the EC ;-)10:09
ogralol10:09
cbx33heheh10:09
mhzheheh10:09
JaneWogra: I'd like to remain a member though?10:09
cbx33by the looks of things it already has10:09
ograJaneW, sure 10:09
JaneWogra: I shall certainly try to be here though10:10
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ograJaneW, we want to keep our lara (edubuntu) craft (girl) *g*10:10
jsgotangcoJaneW: as long as you dont play bliss anymore i'll ack10:10
LaserJockhehe10:10
highvoltageheh.10:10
ograjsgotangco, well, as long as she doesnt play it in public at least :)10:11
JaneWjsgotangco: haha, agreed10:11
jsgotangcoyes that must have been the cause of the plague10:11
JaneW!10:11
cbx33awww10:11
LaserJockanyway, back on task?10:11
ograsoooo10:11
Amaranthogra: lara croft10:11
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ograthere is this mario danic guy who wants to be a member 10:12
lucasvowho is that?10:12
ograanybody know him ? 10:12
lucasvoNick?10:12
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cbx33hmm10:12
Amaranthnever heard of him10:12
cbx33I think I've heard of him10:12
cbx33He's helped me out a lot10:12
ogra*grin*10:12
Amaranthhehe10:12
cbx33great guy10:12
highvoltagemr pygi10:12
cbx33really dedicated10:12
highvoltage(some might say too dedicated)10:12
lucasvooh, embarassing, that's pygi10:12
JaneWpygi: want to present yourself?10:12
ograpygi, so show us your two line intro :)10:12
JaneWhighvoltage: :P10:12
HedgeMageogra: I think he's worth keeping around ;)10:13
Amaranthlucasvo: we were joking :P10:13
pygiogra, intro? I don't have a intro :P10:13
lucasvoAmaranth: I wasn't, *gettingredface*10:13
jsgotangcosurely you have one, i woke up at 4am just for this =)10:13
ograpygi, its usual to have prepared two lines introducing yourself ...10:13
pygio joy :)10:13
Amaranthpygi is my hero10:13
ograyou can do that on the fly if you like :)10:13
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Amaranththere is one line ;)10:13
highvoltagepygi: you wrote a big part of the cookbook, surely you can come up with two lines :)10:13
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cbx33by that I assume you have your HedgeMage 10:14
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JaneWpygi: you basically need to tell us who you are, what you have done so far, and what you intend to contribute in the future...10:14
AmaranthHedgeMage: me too, i'm actually using evolution to keep appointments :)10:14
pygiJaneW, I know, sec ;)10:14
HedgeMagehehe10:14
lucasvomaybe HedgeMage could begin?10:15
Amaranththat might be good10:15
lucasvoto give pygi a little bit more time?10:15
jsgotangcosure10:15
Amaranthgive pygi some time to prepare10:15
JaneWHedgeMage: yes if you are ready now...?10:15
HedgeMagesure...10:15
lucasvoHedgeMage, go for it!10:15
HedgeMageI've been working with computer technology in education since 1992, and with Linux since 1995.  In my 2+ months with Edubuntu, I've become an editor of the Cookbook with pygi (Mario Danic) and general helper on IRC, the mailing lists, and wiki.  I hope to pick up some development tasks in the future, when cookbook feels "finished", FSVT.10:15
=== HedgeMage wonders if irssi truncated that
AmaranthFSVT?10:15
HedgeMage"for some value thereof" 10:16
Amaranthah10:16
HedgeMageit's never really finished... heh10:16
ograso shoot then :)10:16
ograhaha10:16
jsgotangcowell HedgeMage wrote much of the release annoucement for edubuntu dapper too if its worth mentioning10:17
HedgeMageYep, thanks jsgotangco :D10:17
ograyes, unless we stop development it will be an all time changer :)10:17
JaneWHedgeMage: you have also been a good consistent presence here10:17
HedgeMage:) thanks JaneW 10:17
LaserJockHedgeMage: have you had much interaction with non-Edubuntu people?10:17
cbx33HedgeMage, has been fantastic10:17
=== LaserJock puts on his BBQ hat ;-)
ograi like the introduction of your wiki :)10:18
JaneWHedgeMage: so you are interested in getting into the dev side too?10:18
HedgeMageLaserJock: LOL as in #ubuntu non-edubuntu people, or as in "do you have a life, HedgeMage?"10:18
highvoltagelink?10:18
=== HedgeMage nods to JaneW
HedgeMageogra: thanks10:18
JaneWHedgeMage: excellent10:18
lucasvoI think it's depressing, being in school and reading the sentence " The most important things I've learned were never taught.:10:18
JaneWHedgeMage: lol10:18
AmaranthHedgeMage: You're an IRCOP?10:18
LaserJockHedgeMage: as in, interecation with Ubuntu and Kubuntu devs, doc writers, etc.10:18
LaserJockHedgeMage: have you been or are you planning on contributing outside of Edubuntu is sort of my question?10:19
HedgeMageLaserJock: Not to other ubuntu stuff, no.  I may in the future if an interesting opportunity comes up, but I'm particularly interested in the educational stuff.10:19
JaneWLaserJock: oi just rem you have an edubuntu hat on here ;)10:20
=== cbx33 pokes LaserJock
cbx33he's poaching10:20
ograHedgeMage, which area would you want to work onin edubuntu  if you'd do development10:20
ogras/onin/on in/10:20
cbx33onion?10:20
LaserJockJaneW: I do but I think it's important to note that we are a part of a larger community ;-)10:20
HedgeMageogra: haven't decided yet... I'm trying not to get too interested in another project while Cookbook still needs so much attention10:20
JaneWHedgeMage: I think it's really helpful here that you have educational knowledge and background, besides your IT skills. :)10:20
LaserJockJaneW: it wasn't a negative thing as much as a wondering :-)10:21
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spaceyhi10:21
HedgeMageogra: I'm easily distracted if I'm not careful ;)10:21
spacey:o10:21
HedgeMagehi spacey 10:21
JaneWLaserJock: understood :)10:21
HedgeMageJaneW: thanks... I was raised by a teacher, and used to teach disabled kids, so it is very helpful :)10:21
LaserJockJaneW: particularly if she wants to work on development she will probably want to be involved with the MOTU10:21
ograHedgeMage, i can totally feel with you here, i have the same prob10:21
JaneWHedgeMage: you made an edubuntu cake!?10:21
LaserJock\o/10:22
HedgeMageJaneW: yes, but I don't have a digital camera so there are no pics until I get film developed10:22
AmaranthHedgeMage: would you be able to make sure the accessibility stuff is working right?10:22
=== JaneW is impressed
HedgeMage:D10:22
jsgotangcointeresting now we have solid competition of ubuntu food10:22
Amaranthor do you mean a different kind of disabled?10:22
=== highvoltage waits in anticipation of those pics
HedgeMageAmaranth: definitely.10:22
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lucasvoHedgeMage: you can read braille? 10:22
JaneWHedgeMage: if you can help with accessability that's +++ from me :)10:23
HedgeMageAmaranth: didn't have any blind kids (by chance, not design) but many deaf kids, and kids with emotional, developmental, and/or physical problems.10:23
HedgeMagelucasvo: nope10:23
HedgeMagelucasvo: could probably learn, and probably should, I have a blind nephew10:23
jsgotangcoHedgeMage: we neeeeeed more people with realy life a11y experience10:23
jsgotangcos/realy/real10:23
HedgeMageI'm often an accessability nag :)10:23
AmaranthScore.10:23
jsgotangcoprofit10:23
ograjsgotangco, we (edubuntu) need more people with general dev knowledge :)10:24
LaserJockshall we vote? or shall we continue the HedgeMage love fest?10:24
JaneWogra: INDEED10:24
jsgotangcowell i was talking with m a11y hat on :/10:24
JaneWI am ready to vote I think10:24
=== jsgotangco sits in a corner
JaneWanymore questions anyone?10:24
cbx33HedgeMage, where do you think edubuntu needs most improvement?10:24
ograi think we all know HedgeMage good enough :)10:24
HedgeMagecbx33: hmmm...10:24
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=== LaserJock thinks cbx33 is running for a EC seat ;-)
cbx33who me sir?10:25
JaneWheh10:25
JaneWok let's vote.10:26
jsgotangcoalright10:26
JaneWAll in favour of HedgeMage as Edubuntu Member?10:26
HedgeMagecbx33: I think we need to make sure we have an installer that offers some lighter stuff for more hardware-poor areas as defaults.10:26
jsgotangcohappy to vote based on merits, but should sign CoC10:26
HedgeMagecbx33: that would be #1 on my list.10:26
highvoltage+1 for HedgeMage 10:26
ogra+1 from me based on good experience with HedgeMage 10:26
HedgeMagejsgotangco: ack, I did that right before my lappy died... must not have gotten posted well10:26
jsgotangcocheers10:27
cbx33+1 from me if I were able to vote :p10:27
JaneW+1 definitely (with note to say please strongly consider getting involved in dev side, as it's the biggest single need)10:27
ogra+++10:27
HedgeMage:)10:27
ograLaserJock, ?10:27
ograjsgotangco, ?10:27
HedgeMageI think I bored him to sleep ;)10:27
LaserJockdoh, sorry, keyboard was acting up10:27
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LaserJock+1 from me10:27
ograjsgotangco, fallen asleep ?10:28
JaneWjsgotangco: yes COC signing would be a prereq anyway10:28
LaserJockHedgeMage: you're an awesome part of the Edubuntu community and I wish you luck as you continue your efforts :-)10:28
jsgotangcono still here10:28
HedgeMageLaserJock: Thanks!10:28
mhzheheh10:28
ograindeed, we can approve LP team membershib for non ubunteros10:28
jsgotangcoogra: huh?10:28
ogra*cant10:28
mhzoh10:28
HedgeMageI'll re-do and re-upload right now10:28
ograjsgotangco, your vote ? 10:28
JaneWjsgotangco: please give a clear vote + or - please10:28
Amaranththat reminds me, i need to figure out how to get my key signed10:28
jsgotangco+1 sorry10:29
highvoltage+ONE!!111!11cos(0)10:29
JaneWjsgotangco: thanks10:29
ograor 010:29
=== HedgeMage realizes her private key is only on the dead lappy and in a safe deposit box
ograyay10:29
JaneWHedgeMage: it's unanimous then, welcome!10:29
HedgeMagegrrr10:29
HedgeMageJaneW: Thank you!10:29
mhzya! HedgeMage is EC!!!10:29
=== HedgeMage does a happy dance
ograHedgeMage, welcome aboard !!!10:29
highvoltageHedgeMage: welcome to the team :)10:29
mhzduh10:29
cbx33congrats HedgeMage 10:29
ogranow get your CoC signed :)10:29
mhzEM10:29
highvoltagemhz: EC? i thought we were voting for member!10:29
JaneWmhz: no edubuntu member not EC10:29
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HedgeMageogra: once I visit the bank :/   I could make a new key, I guess.10:30
LaserJockHedgeMage: safe deposit box? that should make here geeky enought to work on the dev side, right ;-)10:30
mhzhighvoltage: sorry guys... one handed at this point10:30
HedgeMageLaserJock: heh10:30
JaneWjenda: it's ok, we are a bit less formal here :)10:30
ograHedgeMage, well, it needs to be signed10:30
HedgeMagethanks, jenda :) and thanks for coming to support me10:30
highvoltagemhz: please keep both your hands on keyboard during meetings *ahem*10:30
cbx33HedgeMage, you deserve it10:30
HedgeMageogra: I'll make a new one right now10:30
jendasupport? I was just looking ;)10:30
Amaranth*giggle*10:30
JaneWhighvoltage: !10:30
=== HedgeMage closes screen for a sec to do that
mhzhighvoltage: can't right now, but will in a mins.10:30
highvoltagelol!10:30
Amaranthpygi: Ready?10:31
pygiAmaranth, yup :P10:31
ograthen move on :)10:31
pygiexcuse me for bad writing first :P10:31
JaneWogra: is there any auto checking for COC signed before allowing membership, or do we need to check manually?10:31
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pygiMy name is Mario Danic, and my FOSS life started somewhere10:31
pygiaround Slackware 2.x. I am contributing to Ubuntu since it's very10:31
pygiown starts and first release, and trying to randomly help10:31
pygiwhere I am welcome to do so. For Edubuntu, I've been maintaining10:31
pygiand writing the "How to Cook Edubuntu?" stuff with Susan (HedgeMage),10:31
pygiwhich I hope will even improve in the future. For other things, I've made10:31
pygieffort with few other people to bring and package n-m 0.6.2 into/for dapper,10:31
pygiand fixing all that bunch of bugs. For Edubuntu in general for Edgy,10:31
pygiI plan to pursue S-C-P to make it the best tool of it's kind10:31
pygiever, and I hope to even more bug ogra and the rest of folks10:31
mhzHedgeMage: cool, women's ideas are always needed10:31
pygiat #edubuntu, and will be holding amongst others, presentation10:31
pygiabout Edubuntu at Hungarian Linux Users Conference.10:31
pygiOn other thoughts, I plan to contribute to Kubuntu for Edgy10:31
pygiin form of KDE UI for bzr, and perhaps, but just perhaps writing10:32
pygia guidance module for  Grub. Also, I am mentoring 3 students10:32
pygifor SoC, so perhaps we can have some great stuff for edgy if 10:32
Amarantheek10:32
pygiit all turns out good. If I am forced again, I might pursue 10:32
pygimembership in MOTU so I wouldn't need to bother ogra for every lill'10:32
pygiupload :)10:32
pygio joy :)10:32
Amaranthtwo lines :P10:32
ograJaneW, manually is the safe bet think10:32
ograpygi, wow that were two long sentences :)10:32
highvoltagethat's a long two lines indeed.10:32
cbx33nice pygi 10:32
JaneWpygi: thanks10:33
=== cbx33 notes pygi has helped out me a lot with learning python to get me started on the dev side
Amarantham i the only one who just started this stuff with ubuntu 4.10? :P10:33
=== ogra knocks on the wiki "hello ?"
ograah, now it loads :)10:34
highvoltageAmaranth: i used ubuntu since it was called no-name-yet.com10:34
JaneWpygi: generally I think you are very enthusiastic and keen, and are very motivated 10:34
Amaranthi meant linux in general10:34
Amaranthagain, pygi is my hero :)10:34
ograpygi, slack 2.0 ? that was '95 or something ?10:34
jsgotangcoyeah10:34
pygiogra, :P10:34
highvoltagepygi: after the cookbook is complete, do you plan on doing additional modules/writings for it?10:34
JaneWpygi: I would just caution you to be aware of not being too demanding at times, and to realise that sometimes there are priorities. So people can't always get to your task immediately. I do think you know this though.10:35
pygihighvoltage, yup, ofcourse, improving cookbook is always there :) We even plan on publishing "How to cook Edgy Edubuntu?" :)10:35
JaneWpygi: I have been very impressed with you taking the Cookbook on and actually getting something done with that (and many thanks to HedgeMage for that too)10:35
jsgotangcopygi: out of curiousity rather than edubuntu related, what's your plan on n-m?10:35
=== jsgotangco sorry had to ask that
pygiJaneW, ofcourse, no worries :)10:36
pygijsgotangco, Keybuk said we wont provide further integration, and considering I am not any kind of uploader, I cant do much with it currently :(10:36
LaserJockpygi: did you start with the EdubuntuCookbook when you started the How to cook Edubuntu doc?10:36
JaneWpygi: and thanks for all the help with the SoC application reviewing etc, I know it took a lot of your time, so thanks for being ever willing with that :))10:36
ograLaserJock, the are the same 10:36
ogra*they10:36
ograEdubuntuCookbook is just the old name10:37
pygiLaserJock, "How To Cook Edubuntu?" = Edubuntu Cookbook ;)10:37
LaserJockogra: umm, you sure? They didn't look the same to me10:37
pygiJaneW, thank you ;)10:37
JaneWpygi: I think if you can manage to become a MOTU that will help a lot, and you will become that much more useful to ogra10:37
lucasvoAmaranth: I started using linux when 4.10 was already released, but I first used Suse then switched to ubuntu in 5.0410:37
=== highvoltage thinks the ? at the end of How to cook edubuntu is a bit strane :)
HedgeMageumm, what's MOTU ?10:37
mhzAmaranth: I did10:37
LaserJockHedgeMage: wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU10:38
ograHedgeMage, masters of the universe10:38
cbx33Master of the Universe HedgeMage 10:38
lucasvoHedgeMage: master of the universe10:38
pygihighvoltage, hehe :)10:38
HedgeMageahh10:38
ograHedgeMage, the universe maintainers10:38
mhzAmaranth: I did started ubuntu stuff with warty10:38
ogramhz, he meant linux stuff :)10:38
ograin general10:38
LaserJockpygi: have you talked to the doc team about the cookbook?10:38
Amaranthbefore warty i only knew enough about linux to chmod stuff so it would work with CGI :P10:38
pygiLaserJock, ofcourse :)10:38
mhzogra: i noticed right after <enter>10:38
mhz:(10:38
ogra:)10:38
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=== mhz is also one handed and one-eye it seems :)
Amaranththen i started looking for up-to-date gnome packages for debian and saw something about ubuntu (i think on slashdot) :)10:39
pygijsgotangco, perhaps we'll see if we can integrate more n-m if new upstream product is out in edgy timeframe10:39
ogramhz, so do you want to help out the a11y team with testing while youre that handicapped ? 10:39
pygiI contacted upstream about it10:39
mhzogra: lol!10:40
jsgotangcopygi: cool the current one is amazing already just wanted to give kudos =)10:40
ograpygi, whats your vision beyond s-c-p for edubuntu development ? 10:40
ograany specific direction you'd like to move in development wise ?10:41
mhzpygi: I have read some many parts of the cookbook, not all yet, but yeah, great !10:41
ogra(or education wise even)10:41
JaneWpygi: also will you be advocating edubuntu in your local community?10:41
pygiogra,  I'd like to get more involved in this LTSP stuff so we  could improve it, and working on HUB *which is not just edubuntu related* for backup stuff10:42
ogracool10:42
pygiJaneW, ofcourse, see wiki :P10:42
pygiogra, if you agree ofcourse :)10:42
jsgotangcoogra: are you still pursuing ltsp-manager?10:42
lucasvopygi: it's free software :)10:42
pygijsgotangco, yup10:42
ograjsgotangco, its a spec now :)10:43
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jsgotangcocool hoping to merge soon then10:43
Amaranththat reminds me, i need to get my local LUG to stop meeting in bars so i can pitch edubuntu to the department of education IT guy :)10:43
JaneWpygi: right, doing so10:43
ograpygi, what about diva ? it isnt packaged yet in ubuntu ?10:43
highvoltagediva?10:44
pygiogra, no, it isnt packaged because we currently require CVS dependencies10:44
Amaranthvideo editor10:44
ograhighvoltage, see his wikipage10:44
pygibut that will change in a release that is to happen in like 3 days10:44
highvoltageah10:44
jsgotangcol337 mono-based video editor10:44
Amaranthwas a SoC project last year, it's awesome (or will be)10:44
pygiAmaranth, it's is more then awesome ;)10:44
pygi0.0.3 is mini revolution ;)10:44
ograseems liek a good motu entry project then ;)10:45
ogra*like10:45
pygiogra, indeed ;)10:45
LaserJockyes10:45
ograhas anybody additional questions or is anybody missing an answer or shall we vote ?10:46
HedgeMageI'm all for voting :)10:46
=== highvoltage is good
=== jsgotangco gives +1 and second mentions awesome SoC work
mhzCan I make a question to pygi ?10:47
ograsure10:47
HedgeMageso do I get to vote? or am I too new?10:47
=== highvoltage gives +1, and props to good doc work
ograHedgeMage, only the 5 council members may actually vote, but non council members may cheer :)10:47
LaserJockdoh, I had 1 question left, can I ask it?10:47
mhzpygi: how many teachers in your local community may get involvd in Edubuntu?10:47
HedgeMageogra: ahh okay10:47
=== HedgeMage cheers
ograLaserJock, sure10:47
=== HedgeMage tries to look less clueless
pygimhz, just 2 for now actually :-/ I am talking with other schools tho, and they seem willing to make the switch10:48
mhzpygi: i reprhrase.. Have you talked to teachers in your local comm.?10:48
pygimhz, yup10:48
LaserJockpygi: why are you seeking membership through Edubuntu as opposed to Ubuntu?10:48
=== cbx33 cheers LOUDLY
mhzpygi: thx.10:48
pygiLaserJock, not sure actually, does it matter anyway? :)10:48
pygiI mostly contribute to Edubuntu lately anyway10:49
mhz\o/ \o/ \o/ for pygi 10:49
=== HedgeMage cheers for pygi
=== JaneW votes +1, thanks for the hard work so far, and keep it up.
mhzpygi: I am currently looking for teachers to read CookBook, that's the reason to the question :)10:49
=== ogra votes +1 based on well... everything
LaserJockpygi: it does matter in a way, to me anyway10:49
pygiLaserJock, hm, well, as I said, was mostly involved in Edubuntu lately except from that network manager stuff10:50
jsgotangcoyes10:50
pygiand was bugging edubuntu people most :)10:50
JaneWheh10:50
jsgotangcobut you made a lot of people happy with n-m10:50
LaserJockpygi: ok, fine10:51
lucasvon-m?10:51
pygiLaserJock, tell if I should explain more :)10:51
cbx33network ager10:51
cbx33manager10:51
lucasvoah10:51
mhzm+10:51
Amaranthis EM status enough to be MOTU?10:51
mhzheheh10:51
HedgeMagemhz: I already have teachers lined up :D10:51
Amaranthor do you need UM too?10:51
ograAmaranth, yep, its enough10:51
ograUM is contained in EM10:51
ogra:)10:51
Amaranthneat10:51
highvoltageAmaranth: you have to either be an EM or UM member to apply for MOTU, but being an EM member != motu member10:52
mhzHedgeMage: cool, that is key to Edubuntu real success, computer guys are easier to get happy with Edubuntu10:52
Amaranthi'm a signed key away from being an ubuntu member :P10:52
HedgeMagemhz: yep10:52
Amaranthfor about 18 months or so now :/10:52
LaserJock+1 from me for sustained and substantial contribution to both Ubuntu and Edubuntu communities10:52
Amaranthmaybe 1210:52
HedgeMagemhz: I recruited my mom and a few of her teacher friends... won't have them until school gets out in the next week or so, though10:52
ograyay10:52
Amaranth</random>10:52
lucasvoAmaranth: signed key?10:52
ograwelcome pygi !10:52
jsgotangcoLaserJock: that sounded soooo EC-like10:52
pygithanks ogra ;)10:52
Amaranthlucasvo: need to get my key signed so i can sign the CoC10:53
lucasvoah10:53
LaserJockjsgotangco: I try ;-)10:53
ograAmaranth, we'll find someone over time ...10:53
mhzHedgeMage: good, there is a mini survey I would like to pass on to them (oops, in spanish but can get it into english soon)10:53
highvoltageAmaranth: you don't need your key signed to sign the CoC10:53
Amaranthhighvoltage: err10:53
ograhighvoltage, you do10:53
HedgeMagemhz: yeah, I'd need a translation to English first :)10:53
JaneWalso we need more ppl blogging about edubuntu, reviewing it and getting it mentioned in the press...10:54
=== HedgeMage nods
LaserJockI don't think you have to have a signed key to sign the CoC10:54
=== mhz closes his mouth again until meeting is over
mhz(at least about non-meeting stuff10:54
highvoltagehmmm... i just used my normal gpg key and it worked (perhaps i'm not understanding properly)10:54
AmaranthLaserJock: you do, otherwise I could create a key saying I'm Mark Shuttleworth and sign it10:54
JaneWhighvoltage: you are right10:54
pygiJaneW, slowly things are changing :)10:54
JaneWI signed the COC with my brand new key before it was signed (I THINK)10:54
ograhighvoltage, in any case you cant upload with an unsigned key, if LP accepts unsigned keys for CoC signing, thats a bug10:55
LaserJockAmaranth: and you could sign the CoC with it10:55
HedgeMageThat's why I wanted to use my regular key (signed by many people) not the new one, but I can always sign again10:55
highvoltageogra: i think that might be the case, hey10:55
mhzJaneW: I got my second edubuntu article in 900 print outs :)10:55
AmaranthLaserJock: that's what i meant10:55
JaneWI actually physically signed the CoC in ink at first!10:55
JaneWmhz: well done!!10:55
AmaranthLaserJock: I could create a key with sabdfl's name and sign the CoC with it10:55
mhzJaneW: well, that would be about 400 schools only10:55
LaserJockAmaranth: right, and there is nothing stopping you from doing that10:55
jendawhoa... really? I don't have a signed key, and I'm applying for membership...10:55
AmaranthLaserJock: but if i have to be in the PGP trusted set to sign the CoC that doesn't work10:55
ograwow, we actually filled 1h i wouldnt have expected that without having our general agenda 10:56
HedgeMagelol10:56
ograis there any other business ?10:56
Amaranthbecause before someone signs my sabdfl key they look at my ID card10:56
JaneWogra: we do tend to chat ;)10:56
HedgeMagenone here10:56
lucasvodid you already vote?10:56
ogralucasvo, ages ago :)10:56
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lucasvoI think I missed that10:56
lucasvo:)10:56
HedgeMagenight night highvoltage 10:56
=== JaneW congratulates HedgeMage and pygi again
=== jsgotangco is good to go back to bed
HedgeMage:D10:57
HedgeMagethanks!10:57
Amaranthand they say "you're not sabdfl!" and punch me in the face10:57
cbx33congrats everyone10:57
ograif nobody has any extra topics, we'll clonse then :)10:57
lucasvoat least I have school late tomorrow10:57
pygithanks JaneW ;)10:57
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cbx33<-----------------------meeting notes end here-------------------------------------->10:57
jsgotangcomm 5am still have time to sleep10:57
highvoltagemeeting clonsed then?10:57
highvoltage:p10:57
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highvoltageJaneW: it has finished already10:58
pygienjoy JaneW ;)10:58
HedgeMagelol have fun10:58
JaneWsince the meeting is clonse10:58
mhzJaneW: then, dont enjoy :)10:58
ogracbx33, wanna draw the line ? 10:58
JaneWhighvoltage: taped it10:58
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highvoltagegoodnight everyone10:58
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mhzoh10:58
jsgotangcociao and congrats10:58
mhznn10:58
jendaAre you all sure one needs a signed key? please? ;)10:58
lucasvonight10:58
lucasvoI only tried with a signed key10:58
pygijenda, for CoC, nop, you dont need10:58
ogranight all10:58
pyginight ogra 10:59
JaneWnight10:59
jendaand for membership?10:59
jenda(night to the quitters ;) )10:59
pygijenda, nop10:59
pygibut for MOTU you need signed10:59
pyginight JaneW ;)10:59
Amaranthmako told me i needed a signed key10:59
jendaOk, *whew*10:59
Amaranthfor CoC10:59
jendaAmaranth: perhaps you have special status ;)10:59
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pygiAmaranth, nop, LP has a bug :P11:00
makoAmaranth: that was a very long time ago, the process was a little different then11:00
ograpygi, you need a signed key, if not thats a bug that needs to be fixed in LP11:00
jsgotangcomako: congrats dude! nice pics!11:00
pygiogra, well, it is a bug :P11:00
ograyep 11:00
makojsgotangco: thanks :)11:00
ogramako, yeah, congrats !!!11:01
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pygiogra, not sure if there is such report tho11:01
jsgotangcomako: although seeing you in a white suit is rather new to me, but good nonetheless11:01
jendaAh, mako... the one to ask ;) 1) congrats 2) does one need a signed key to become a member?11:01
pygijenda, NO, but thats a bug11:01
lucasvoplease carry on in #edubuntu11:01
=== jenda is all nervous about that...
pygiwe told you already :P11:01
LaserJockogra: you sure that's a bug. It isn't easy to get a key properly signed some times11:02
jendapygi: I know you did, but several people have said different things...11:02
makono, you have never *needed* a signed key to become a member11:02
makosome people have signed the CoC over FAX11:03
jendaThank you... that's what i needed to hear.11:03
jsgotangcoyeah11:03
jendaSee you next CC meeting then ;)11:03
LaserJockhehe11:03
ograLaserJock, well, i'd consider it a bug, since i see no reason to have something signed with an unsigned key11:03
lucasvoLaserJock: a signed key is just a key with several cross signatures?11:03
Amaranthlucasvo: a key signed by someone in the PGP trusted set11:03
makoright, in the past, i've put people through a bit of work to explain why they couldn't have a signed key11:03
=== mhz remembers it took like 3 days to get a key signed
jendaogra: it still guarantees it's the same person who uses the key elsewhere (or group of people)11:04
lucasvoAmaranth: hm, and who is in the pgp trusted set?11:04
makoi had to take a train out of state to get my first key signed, so i'm not particularly sympathetic11:04
ograhow would i know its the same person if the key wasnt signed to approve that its the same person ? 11:04
Amaranthlucasvo: people who have had their key signed by someone in the trusted set :P11:04
makojenda: the network of trust is important, if you're going to sit it out, you should at least have a very good reason11:04
lucasvoAmaranth: hm, how can one find out?11:04
lucasvoif one is in the trusted set?11:05
Amaranthhttp://biglumber.com/ can help you find people to sign your key11:05
jendamako: I'm not saying it isn't - and I'm intending to get it singed, but it wouldn't be easy for me before the next meeting.11:05
Amaranththere are tools to see if you can trace a path from your key to, say, ogra's11:05
makojenda: it's only two weeks11:05
jendaindeed.11:05
jendaI'll try.11:06
ogramako, four for edubuntu :)11:06
=== mako nods
mhzAmaranth: actually, there is a wiki howto both in spanish and english11:08
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