[12:04] <Riddell> linuxmonkey: do you have a wiki page?
[12:05] <linuxmonkey> yes
[12:05] <Tonio_> Lure: kpowersave in kubuntu is quite frustrating
[12:05] <linuxmonkey> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Linuxmonkey
[12:05] <imbrandon> Riddell: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Linuxmonkey
[12:05] <Riddell> linuxmonkey: what have you done to help Kubuntu?
[12:06] <linuxmonkey> well I help out as much as I can in #kubuntu as well as I have started to design Display Pictures for people to use to be able to show their support for Kubuntu
[12:07] <Tonio_> linuxmonkey: what are your plans for future contributions ?
[12:08] <linuxmonkey> well I plan to help fix up the docs for kubuntu and keep supporting out vast user base
[12:08] <Tonio_> imbrandon: I can confirm I saw him beeing quite active on #kubuntu
[12:08] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: me and you are awake at diffrent times than linuxmonkey
[12:08] <Riddell> linuxmonkey: have you spoken to jjesse or robotgeek?
[12:08] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: fair enough
[12:08] <toma> linuxmonkey: how long are you around helping people?
[12:09] <linuxmonkey> well id have to say a few months atleast, i had a 1 month vacation about 2 months ago
[12:09] <Tonio_> linuxmonkey: did you get a launchpad account and signed the code of conduct ?
[12:10] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: yeah, there's one there, nothing on it
[12:10] <Riddell> seems to be active on irc from 27th May
[12:10] <imbrandon> i have realy noticed him about the last 1 months personaly , but then again i'm on a diffrent schedule than him
[12:10] <Lure> Tonio_: yes - https://launchpad.net/people/linuxmonkey/
[12:10] <Hobbsee> 27th of may...a week and a half ago, or os
[12:10] <Hobbsee> *so
[12:11] <linuxmonkey> yes ive signed the codes of conducts 1.0 and couldnt sign 1.0.1 yet since there's a bug on LP
[12:11] <linuxmonkey> ive been here longer
[12:11] <toma> not subscribed to any bugs?
[12:11] <toma> or filed any?
[12:11] <Hobbsee> the zero karma is a little odd...
[12:11] <linuxmonkey> not yet no, and was having an issue filling a few
[12:11] <Riddell> gosh, quite a grilling we give :)
[12:12] <Riddell> linuxmonkey: you should talk to jjesse and robotgeek about helping with docs, that would be great
[12:12] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: well I was still 0 karma when I became member :) packages don't bring points for example ;)
[12:12] <linuxmonkey> I shall do that
[12:12] <Lure> Riddell: you have to keep the standards..;-)
[12:12] <Riddell> and see if you have ideas for the spec jjesse started https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuDocs/Edgy
[12:12] <Hobbsee> hehe - i saw that the CC was doign the same for the memberships a few days ago
[12:12] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: true, they do show in launchpad though
[12:13] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: true :)
[12:13] <Riddell> linuxmonkey: but I think we need more visible contributions before making you a member
[12:13] <linuxmonkey> thats cool
[12:13] <Riddell> linuxmonkey: but don't let this put you off, #kubuntu needs all the helpers it can get and docs do too
[12:13] <Riddell> so come back soon and you should be in
[12:13] <Tonio_> linuxmonkey: agree with Riddell... We appreciate your willing to become a member and help, but that needs more visible and concrete stuff
[12:14] <linuxmonkey> no worries, I will
[12:14] <Riddell> anyone else for membership?
[12:14] <jenda> sorry to disturb... how does one book this channel for a meeting? (The New User Network)
[12:14] <Riddell> jenda: e-mail fridge-devel@lists.ubuntu.com
[12:14] <jenda> ok
[12:14] <Riddell> any other business?
[12:14] <toma> yes, if we dont hang out on #kubuntu we dont see contributions
[12:15] <pygi> Riddell, well, that grub implementation stuff if you want to discuss :)
[12:15] <Hobbsee> there are logs though - which can be added to wiki pages or whatever...
[12:15] <Riddell> pygi: what's that?
[12:15] <pygi> Riddell, that guidance module for grub configuring we were talking about?
[12:15] <imbrandon> toma: irc logs ;)
[12:15] <Lure> an dwe have Hobbsee 
[12:15] <pygi> otherwise nothing :)
[12:15] <toma> k
[12:15] <Lure> (irc op and stuff ;-))
[12:15] <linuxmonkey> lol adding logs to wiki, that be 1 very long wiki
[12:15] <Hobbsee> Lure: hmmm?  only when my brain is working...
[12:15] <Riddell> pygi: just takes someone to write it
[12:16] <pygi> Riddell, bah,ok, nvm :)
[12:16] <Riddell> did we all like dapper?
[12:16] <toma> pygi: you can't write?
[12:16] <imbrandon> btw Hobbsee / Riddell how does one apply for the irc op team ? ya know since i spend all my time here and all ;)
[12:16] <Hobbsee> Riddell: no, we hated it :P
[12:16] <Lure> Riddell: of course - particularly with kde 3.5.3 ;-)
[12:16] <Riddell> imbrandon: just ask me
[12:16] <Tonio_> Riddell: kubuntu dapper is nice, but kde settings sucks, really ;)
[12:17] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: you run the IRC op gauntlet, and many other daunting tasks
[12:17] <Hobbsee> +1 Tonio_ 
[12:17] <pygi> toma, perhaps I might, but there are things of higher priority :)
[12:17] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: hehe
[12:17] <imbrandon> heh ;)
[12:17] <Hobbsee> :)
[12:17] <toma> pygi: oki!
[12:17] <imbrandon> ohhhhhh
[12:17] <kmon> Riddell: dapper rocks
[12:17] <imbrandon> one last thing i forgot about on the agenda
[12:17] <Hobbsee> hee
[12:17] <nixternal> ummm...whats dapper?
[12:17] <nixternal> ;)
[12:17] <toma> I like dapper very much, although i dont like the printing affair.
[12:17] <imbrandon> Riddell: what about a Systems settings module for Samba like kcontrol has ?
[12:18] <Lure> toma: printing is over-rated by this blog guy
[12:18] <Tonio_> the only thing we can regret copmparing to ubuntu is compiz..... and that isn't ready to change
[12:18] <Riddell> imbrandon: we should look at fixing any bugs the existing one has for edgy
[12:18] <toma> Lure: yes. 
[12:18] <Tonio_> but appart from that, the changes between breezy and dapper are hudge
[12:19] <Riddell> Tonio_: well I have a spec for that, I just have zero idea how to implement it
[12:19] <Tonio_> I don't remember another kde based distro that improved that much in only 6 month....
[12:19] <Lure> toma: regular users do not have problems prinitng, while this guy wants to have the cups his way, while Ubuntu guys decided on different direction
[12:19] <Tonio_> Riddell: when you know that zack tried and failed........
[12:19] <Tonio_> Riddell: I just think we can wait for kde4 for compiz.....
[12:19] <nixternal> i have 5 different printers and cups loves all 5...not one usb'd to my machines...all samba and tcp/ip
[12:20] <toma> Lure: well, i can't print either and that hurts when i want to make invoices. 
[12:20] <Riddell> Tonio_: oh I don't know about that, I suspect suse will come up with something very soon
[12:20] <Riddell> ok, we're getting into discussion now
[12:20] <Lure> toma: really? bug#?
[12:20] <Riddell> date of next meeting?
[12:20] <toma> Lure: but lets not get into that, people are working on it.
[12:20] <Tonio_> Riddell: as you say "I will beleive it when I see it !" ;)
[12:21] <Tonio_> Riddell: in 2 weeks ?
[12:21] <imbrandon> 6/20/2006  ?
[12:21] <linuxmonkey> Hobbsee: you almost missed this one
[12:21] <linuxmonkey> lmao
[12:21] <Riddell> Tonio_: 2 weeks is the summit
[12:21] <Lure> before or after or from paris?
[12:21] <Lure> ;-)
[12:21] <Riddell> should be after summit
[12:21] <Hobbsee> linuxmonkey: i'm not great with mornings :P
[12:21] <Riddell> and preferably not on a tech board night
[12:21] <Tonio_> Riddell: true....
[12:21] <Riddell> 26th?
[12:21] <linuxmonkey> its 7:21PM here:)
[12:21] <Tonio_> in three weeks then, on thuesday ?
[12:22] <Hobbsee> @schedule sydney
[12:22] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Australia/Sydney: Current meeting: Kubuntu | 07 Jun 23:30: Xubuntu | 08 Jun 06:00: Edubuntu | 08 Jun 18:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 14 Jun 22:00: Edubuntu | 14 Jun 23:30: Xubuntu
[12:22] <Hobbsee> linuxmonkey: ^
[12:22] <Hobbsee> er, 7am here
[12:22] <toma> Riddell: are you happy with dapper?
[12:22] <Riddell> don't tuesdays clash with tech/community board?
[12:22] <Riddell> toma: I think dapper rocks!
[12:23] <Riddell> it has weaknesses like laptop support and that printing stuff, but in general I'm really proud of it
[12:23] <Riddell> and the developer community we have here is the best bit
[12:23] <toma> yes, you all did a great job!
[12:23] <Hobbsee> heh.  i'd intended to sit back and watch dapper being created.  it didnt seem to happen that way though.
[12:23] <imbrandon> cen we get kwii to get rid of the bubbles for edgy, it reminds me of kde2 ;)
[12:23] <imbrandon> can*
[12:23] <Riddell> any problems with monday 26th at 21:00UTC?
[12:24] <Riddell> imbrandon: we'll have something different certainly, I like the bubbles though
[12:24] <Tonio_> Riddell: fine with me ;)
[12:24] <imbrandon> 26 at 2100 is cool with me
[12:24] <linuxmonkey> i'll be here
[12:24] <Hobbsee> er...exams will be done by them, so it should be okay
[12:24] <Hobbsee> just
[12:25] <imbrandon> Riddell: since Odyx isnt here want me to do the minutes ?
[12:25] <toma> ok for me
[12:25] <Riddell> imbrandon: that would be great
[12:25] <imbrandon> kk
[12:25] <claydoh> every distro's kde setup makes me love my kubuntu desktop evenn more
[12:25] <linuxmonkey> oh 1 other thing can we get the LP CoC 1.0.1 fixed :)
[12:25] <Riddell> imbrandon: and if you could e-mail fridge-devel with the next meeting that would be great too
[12:25] <imbrandon> Riddell: sure
[12:25] <claydoh> really, its the little simplifications, etc i like
[12:25] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i want a purple kubuntu :P
[12:25] <linuxmonkey> lol
[12:25] <imbrandon> zomg !!!!!!111
[12:25] <kmon> Hobbsee: I had mine that way
[12:25] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: no, that's pink :P
[12:26] <imbrandon> and PONIES !
[12:26] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: bwa !!!!!!!! purple ???
[12:26] <Hobbsee> yeah, purple!
[12:26] <toma> oh, and i wanted to say thanks for the minutes of last meeting. they look totally cool!
[12:26] <Riddell> well this is getting silly now
[12:26] <Hobbsee> hehe
[12:26] <Riddell> remember to review the specs https://launchpad.net/people/jr/+specs
[12:26] <linuxmonkey> Hobbsee: mess with your monitor settings and your should be able to turn the blue to purple fairly easely
[12:26] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i'm in the meeting, do you expect it to be anything else?
[12:26] <Riddell> Hobbsee: go to university and don't be late!
[12:26] <Riddell> night all
[12:26] <Hobbsee> Riddell: hehe!  sure i will :P
[12:26] <Tonio_> nite
[12:26] <kmon> bye
[12:26] <Lure> night all
[12:26] <toma> nite all
[12:27] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: it starts in an hour and a half
[12:27] <linuxmonkey> and its 2 hours away?
[12:27] <linuxmonkey> hehehe
[12:27] <Hobbsee> no...25min away...
[12:27] <toma> time for coffee then
[12:27] <Hobbsee> bleck, i dont drink coffee.
[12:30] <goldenear> Riddell: who are Ellen and Tania ?
[12:31] <Riddell> goldenear: -> #kubuntu-devel
[01:21] <nipper> How can I make a proposal for the next meeting?
[01:26] <zul> @schedule montreal
[01:26] <Ubugtu> Schedule for America/Montreal: 07 Jun 09:30: Xubuntu | 07 Jun 16:00: Edubuntu | 08 Jun 04:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 14 Jun 08:00: Edubuntu | 14 Jun 09:30: Xubuntu | 15 Jun 10:00: Ubuntu Development Team
[02:01] <highvoltage> @schedule
[02:01] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Etc/UTC: 07 Jun 13:30: Xubuntu | 07 Jun 20:00: Edubuntu | 08 Jun 08:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 14 Jun 12:00: Edubuntu | 14 Jun 13:30: Xubuntu | 15 Jun 14:00: Ubuntu Development Team
[02:05] <highvoltage> @schedule washington
[02:05] <cbx33> @schedule london
[02:05] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/London: 07 Jun 14:30: Xubuntu | 07 Jun 21:00: Edubuntu | 08 Jun 09:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 14 Jun 13:00: Edubuntu | 14 Jun 14:30: Xubuntu | 15 Jun 15:00: Ubuntu Development Team
[02:06] <jsgotangco> @schedule manila
[02:06] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Asia/Manila: 07 Jun 21:30: Xubuntu | 08 Jun 04:00: Edubuntu | 08 Jun 16:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 14 Jun 20:00: Edubuntu | 14 Jun 21:30: Xubuntu | 15 Jun 22:00: Ubuntu Development Team
[02:06] <jsgotangco> yay
[02:06] <ajmitch> perfect time for an edubuntu meeting, right?
[02:06] <cbx33> hehe
[02:06] <jsgotangco> I LOVE IT
[02:08] <flint> @schedule washington
[02:09] <flint> @schedule est
[02:09] <Ubugtu> Schedule for EST: 07 Jun 08:30: Xubuntu | 07 Jun 15:00: Edubuntu | 08 Jun 03:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 14 Jun 07:00: Edubuntu | 14 Jun 08:30: Xubuntu | 15 Jun 09:00: Ubuntu Development Team
[02:13] <flint> @schedule est
[02:13] <Ubugtu> Schedule for EST: 07 Jun 08:30: Xubuntu | 07 Jun 15:00: Edubuntu | 08 Jun 03:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 14 Jun 07:00: Edubuntu | 14 Jun 08:30: Xubuntu | 15 Jun 09:00: Ubuntu Development Team
[03:25] <EmxBA> hi 
[03:26] <EmxBA> so current meeting is Xubuntu right
[03:26] <seanh> according to the fridge, yes
[03:26] <janimo> EmxBA: should start in a few minutes
[03:26] <EmxBA> ok
[03:27] <janimo> there's no agenda though
[03:28] <janimo> EmxBA: anything in particular that you want to discuss?
[03:28] <EmxBA> janimo: not really
[03:28] <EmxBA> maybe edubuntu 
[03:28] <EmxBA> oh, I know 
[03:28] <EmxBA> i had several problems with espresso
[03:29] <EmxBA> i suppose you know hat it is :P
[03:29] <EmxBA> *what
[03:29] <janimo> yes, for bug reports LP is the way to go, not the meeting though :)
[03:30] <EmxBA> ok
[03:30] <janimo> nomed: ping
[03:30] <seanh> EmxBA - I just recently installed xubuntu and am interested, about how many people are there working on it?
[03:31] <EmxBA> it looks good
[03:31] <EmxBA> i tried xfce 4 on slackware
[03:31] <EmxBA> looks bad
[03:31] <EmxBA> it is better on xubuntu
[03:31] <EmxBA> really
[03:33] <janimo> crimsun: hi, we have no agenda for the meeting so if there's anything you want to talk about please do
[03:33] <janimo> same for others
[03:33] <crimsun> janimo: (ok)
[03:33] <janimo> I haven't got around to make edgy specs from any of the wiki ideas yet
[03:36] <crimsun> ok, just finished reading XubuntuEdgyIdeas
[03:37] <janimo> crimsun, feel free to edit that page if you have things to add
[03:37] <janimo> highvoltage: hi
[03:37] <highvoltage> i have a new Xubuntu website ready off-line, which i think looks great, and will be easier to update than our static page atm.
[03:37] <janimo> highvoltage: good news :)
[03:37] <highvoltage> Znarl has just set up the database, and will be sending me the password today.
[03:38] <janimo> highvoltage: when you get a chance can you describe what are the exact logout actions which should be allowed in a thin client?
[03:38] <crimsun> not sure if we're following any sort of order for "Important Features", but the one that certainly interests me is the multimedia situation. The thread on the mailing list seems to have decent suggestions. I suspect we'll want to replace xfmedia pretty soon/early in Edgy?
[03:38] <janimo> comment on the LP bug you opened preferably
[03:38] <janimo> crimsun: I agree, we can go gxine shortly after edgy opens
[03:39] <janimo> or whatever yuo think fits better
[03:39] <EmxBA> ok
[03:39] <crimsun> I think gxine is a good initial replacement, but many people want to see a GSt-based one in Edgy, it seems
[03:39] <seanh> my two cents: I haven't seen this mailing list thread, but the most common command I've typed since installing xubuntu is "killall xfmedia"
[03:39] <janimo> crimsun: but are there any besides totem?
[03:39] <EmxBA> i assume no
[03:39] <janimo> good ones, like xine based one
[03:40] <janimo> seanh: yeah, it's hanging too often
[03:40] <highvoltage> gxine is great.
[03:40] <crimsun> I don't know of one off the top of my head that will do both audio and video like Totem
[03:40] <seanh> Have you considered having a music player and a video player seperately?
[03:40] <janimo> crimsun: totem depends on gnome libs though as seen in the thread
[03:41] <crimsun> janimo: right, problematic
[03:41] <janimo> seanh: sure
[03:41] <highvoltage> i've seen beep-media-player pop up in some old threads and wiki pages. is there a reason that won't work for xubuntu?
[03:41] <janimo> highvoltage: that is discontinued by upstream
[03:41] <janimo> they were working on xmms3 last time I read
[03:42] <EmxBA> where can ubuntu-lite be downloaded
[03:42] <crimsun> right, and upstream hopes to have 0.20, the next version, of BMPx available for Edgy
[03:42] <janimo> EmxBA: ubuntulite.org I presume
[03:42] <EmxBA> no
[03:42] <EmxBA> Curently no download links are avalible
[03:42] <highvoltage> ah
[03:43] <crimsun> BMPx is a completely rewritten app based on GSt. It's library-based similar many of the newer audio apps. It should play video, too, but I haven't tried with the latest stable, 0.14.x
[03:43] <janimo> crimsun: sounds good
[03:43] <seanh> just installed gxine, immediate comments: It needs a splash screen to launch, there is a button on the main interface to change the audio channel
[03:45] <seanh> it seems to have some adult channels installed by default, I'm not even sure what they are, internet radio or tv it seems, the UI is quite bad in my opinion
[03:45] <crimsun> seanh: Darren Salt's quite responsive to gxine bug reports, so many of those things could be addressed
[03:46] <seanh> Right, you'd really want to overhaul the UI from the looks of it, there's a lot of strange technical details exposed
[03:47] <janimo> crimsun: did the BMPx devs specifically mention edgy or their schedule just coincides with edgy's ?
[03:47] <crimsun> I do want to point out some additional shortcomings of gxine, the most important of which is the fact that it's based on xine-lib. From a technical perspective, being xine-lib-based introduces a problem of forcing a user to restart the application whenever a new sound card is chosen.
[03:48] <crimsun> janimo: they're not tying BMPx 0.20 to Edgy, but last I chatted with the devs, they hope to have it in time for Edgy
[03:48] <crimsun> i.e., no rigorous committment
[03:48] <janimo> crimsun: the sound-card switch thing is a corner case though no? especially in xubuntu targetted machines
[03:49] <janimo> crimsun: do you know anything about how xinelibs and gst (not any players based on them) compare wrt memory requirements?
[03:49] <crimsun> janimo: depends whether one considers having multiple sound devices a corner case nowadays :)  but yes, I do see your point.
[03:49] <crimsun> janimo: I haven't done specific evalution
[03:50] <janimo> the major disadvantage to xine I see is that since both gnome and kde move over to it, we'd be havoing it in main only for us, and carry it along
[03:50] <janimo> I think kubuntu 6.06 still has xine right?
[03:50] <Riddell> janimo: yes
[03:51] <crimsun> right, the fact that both gnome 2.12 and kde 4 (will) have migrated to GSt is a strong reason to choose a GSt-based player
[03:51] <Riddell> kde 4 isn't migrating to gstreamer
[03:52] <Riddell> it's migrating to whichever backend is best on the day
[03:52] <ogra> but kubuntu :)
[03:52] <crimsun> Riddell: what are the choices being considered?
[03:52] <janimo> Riddell: yeah, they thought there are not yet enough layers of from apps to the hw
[03:52] <Riddell> crimsun: phonon using xine, NMM, gstreamer, anything else that comes along
[03:53] <crimsun> Riddell: hmm, ok, thanks
[03:53] <janimo> layers of abstraction I meant
[03:53] <mjg59> Riddell: For generic media purposes - presumably gstreamer will end up used for more complex cases?
[03:54] <Riddell> mjg59: depends on the choice of the application author
[03:54] <Riddell> but using gstreamer directly in KDE would be frowned upon for binary compatibility reasons
[03:56] <crimsun> For Xubuntu, seanh's query is pertinent then. Should there be separate audio and video players?
[03:56] <crimsun> I'm inclined to shy from introducing that separation
[03:56] <janimo> crimsun: I'm fine with whatever you chose
[03:57] <janimo> I think anything will be an improvement over current status
[03:57] <janimo> gxine plays audio too so we can just have that
[03:57] <crimsun> ok, I move that when Edgy opens, we replace xfmedia with gxine but continue to evaluate GSt-based players
[03:58] <janimo> crimsun: agreed
[03:58] <nomed> i'm in late 
[03:58] <nomed> hi all
[03:58] <janimo> hi nomed
[03:58] <janimo> crimsun: I assume we ant to keep all the deps of gxine and bring them in main, however crazy :)
[03:59] <crimsun> I believe Gauvain tried compiling gtk-only totem and had difficulties
[03:59] <crimsun> janimo: hmm, yes, for now
[03:59] <crimsun> 'lo nomed 
[03:59] <janimo> crimsun: yes, g-vfs deps
[04:00] <janimo> nomed: we have been discussing multimedia status for now. Any topic you want to discuss? Agenda is empty
[04:00] <nomed> janimo, ex..
[04:01] <nomed> i'm moderating the xubuntu board of the ubuntu-it forum
[04:01] <nomed> what i've seen there is:
[04:01] <nomed> 1) users have problems with "edit menu"
[04:01] <nomed> MANY
[04:01] <janimo> Riddell: do you know if there are specific apps which may become common (module GUI) for edgy?
[04:01] <nomed> they will not check in launchpad
[04:01] <nomed> NEVER
[04:01] <nomed> if there are known bug
[04:01] <janimo> Riddell: kde/gnome apps I mean
[04:02] <crimsun> nomed: yeah, that menu-editor one is pretty annoying
[04:02] <janimo> like language-support is now
[04:02] <nomed> 2) xfmedia doesn't work
[04:02] <janimo> crimsun, nomed I agree I'll have to take a look at it these days
[04:02] <nomed> users that used xubuntu on old machines ..
[04:03] <nomed> were thinking it was too slow
[04:03] <nomed> because of xfmedia ..
[04:03] <janimo> nomed: as a workaround these and other issues may need to be prominently advertised on the xubuntu-it site
[04:03] <nomed> ex while playing audio cds
[04:03] <Riddell> janimo: network-manager
[04:03] <janimo> since it is quite normal people wont' check LP
[04:03] <Riddell> janimo: beagle maybe?
[04:03] <nomed> janimo, done ...
[04:03] <janimo> Riddell: that already is backend+frontend no? Or does kde use something else now?
[04:04] <Riddell> janimo: back/frontend are separated, we have knetworkmanager
[04:04] <janimo> Riddell: how about the gnome-power-manager? Does kde have something like that?
[04:04] <nomed> but they do not check if the topic is a "stiky" 
[04:04] <Riddell> janimo: kde has the unmaintained klaptopdaemon and the suse maintained kpowersave
[04:04] <nomed> then ...
[04:05] <nomed> they expect that thunar can have:
[04:05] <nomed> 1) ssh as gnome vfs
[04:05] <nomed> 2) they want to use samba+file manager
[04:05] <Riddell> janimo: kde may also get compiz support for edgy, possibly, maybe
[04:06] <janimo> Riddell: update-manager/notifier?
[04:06] <crimsun> nomed: thunar doesn't currently have support for smb, does it?
[04:06] <janimo> crimsun: it does not
[04:06] <nomed> crimsun, it doesn't
[04:06] <crimsun> right
[04:06] <Riddell> janimo: we have adept for both
[04:06] <janimo> Riddell: yeah, I mean is a unification with the gnome ones planned ?
[04:07] <nomed> the lang switcher doesn't work ..
[04:07] <janimo> nomed: the keyboard switcher?
[04:07] <janimo> or the language selector?
[04:07] <nomed> we may thing to use ubiquity code for that
[04:07] <nomed> janimo, kayboard switcher
[04:07] <Riddell> janimo: no, although the language selector has a qt version and gdebi and dist-upgrader may gain kde ports
[04:07] <janimo> nomed, hmm does not work or cannot add new layouts from the GUI?
[04:08] <nomed> janimo, no langs available
[04:08] <nomed> ubiquity gas a big list ...
[04:08] <nomed> and it's possible to select all of them from its frontend
[04:08] <janimo> nomed, yes need to edit xorg.conf. Sad but Gauvain and I got too late into the xkb plugin to make it ready for dapper
[04:09] <janimo> nomed: it will be done for edgy definitely
[04:09] <nomed> janimo, nice :)
[04:09] <nomed> i'm just listing all the feedbacks i got ..
[04:09] <janimo> nomed: thanks
[04:10] <nomed> that i think could be xubuntu edgy  stuff
[04:10] <janimo> the menueditor at least should be dapper-updates stuff as well
[04:10] <crimsun> yeah, that should be highest priority imo
[04:10] <nomed> janimo, it has to ..
[04:11] <nomed> what i'd add is:
[04:11] <nomed> 1) desktop search tool
[04:11] <nomed> 2) galago +  mail client
[04:12] <nomed> 3) notification daemon
[04:12] <nomed> i've been testing sylpheed ..
[04:12] <nomed> but it needs to improve
[04:13] <nomed> from the gui to the usability
[04:13] <nomed> if we want to use it ..
[04:13] <nomed> we have to contact upstreamers i guess
[04:13] <ogra> we were discussing balsa for edubuntu recently
[04:13] <janimo> or just continue using t-bird 
[04:13] <nomed> ogra, that's something i should test
[04:14] <nomed> janimo, thunaderbird is not that good for old machines
[04:14] <janimo> ogra, what's wrong woth t-bird (as it's in main already)
[04:14] <nomed> if it'll be possible to use
[04:14] <janimo> nomed, I know, but sylpheed has too many quirks
[04:14] <nomed> *saemonkey*
[04:14] <ogra> janimo, tb has tb langpacks
[04:14] <janimo> and mail clients are not that important imho
[04:14] <nomed> we'll have all there
[04:14] <nomed> janimo, i do not think so ..
[04:15] <nomed> :)
[04:15] <crimsun> but seamonkey has even heftier system requirements last time I evaluated it
[04:15] <ogra> janimo, if i look at new stuff for edubuntu, my main concern is to reduce CD size
[04:15] <nomed> but we have different ideas here :)
[04:15] <janimo> ogra, I know. t-bird was about 8Meg smaller than evo right?
[04:15] <nomed> ogra, seamonkey has browser+mail client
[04:15] <janimo> ogra, the best way for you to get that would be to work on dpkg-7zip :)
[04:15] <ogra> janimo, including all the langpacks you need on the CD i very much doubt it
[04:15] <nomed> and it's really faster then firefox ..
[04:16] <janimo> ogra, w/o langpacks, true
[04:16] <nomed> i dunno how it's doable to include it in main
[04:16] <janimo> nomed, seamonlye (mozilla) was just dropped to universe, so I don;t know if it would come back
[04:16] <ogra> janimo, balsa translations would only grow the gnome langpack in a minimal way and balsa itself is 2.5M
[04:16] <nomed> ohh ..
[04:16] <janimo> new ffox/tbird should build on the new seamonkey code and be faster as well
[04:16] <janimo> in theory
[04:17] <nomed> janimo, that would be ideal
[04:20] <crimsun> how much interaction is planned with UbuntuLite?
[04:21] <janimo> crimsun: I hope they will be interested
[04:21] <janimo> I'd like to get icewm and/or fluxbox on the CD
[04:22] <janimo> but I doubt I'll be able to handle upstream interaction/packaging whatever else by myself
[04:22] <nomed> icewm has better "feedesktop standard" support
[04:22] <janimo> so I hope either ubuntu lite or existing MOTUs show interest
[04:22] <crimsun> ok, and just on the CD, or do you envision there being a selector in the installer?
[04:22] <janimo> nomed: that by itslef is no big deal :) . People need it because it's light
[04:22] <crimsun> (not sure how this would affect the whole "X" branding...)
[04:23] <janimo> crimsun: I though of a minimal intervention in the installer (the least minimal being a boot option) to chose from the exiting desktops
[04:23] <nomed> for fluxbox there are nubuntu guys
[04:23] <janimo> like feesbie ot some other FreeBDS livecd does with flux/xfce
[04:23] <nomed> i don't know that much about nubuntu
[04:23] <crimsun> not familiar w/ nubuntu either
[04:23] <nomed> but they are active on thei project ..
[04:24] <nomed> if ubuntulite ppl do not show interest
[04:24] <nomed> that's a possible alternative
[04:24] <janimo> right
[04:24] <nomed> they'll take care for sure of fluxbox ackages
[04:24] <nomed> +
[04:24] <nomed> configrations
[04:25] <janimo> from the nubuntu page
[04:25] <janimo> we do not think about whether people are using it or not.  We are more concerned about the learning process
[04:25] <janimo> does not mean it cannot be good though :)
[04:25] <nomed> ehehe
[04:25] <crimsun> I'm in favour of including both icewm and fluxbox in addition as an initial step
[04:26] <janimo> crimsun: including on the CD? or are you thinking of how to present the choice to the user as wlel?
[04:27] <nomed> i'm not sure that's a good idea ..
[04:27] <crimsun> janimo: I think if either/both are to be on the CD, prompting needs to stay away from the installer
[04:27] <nomed> i agree
[04:27] <janimo> crimsun, so just install them and appearing in GDM menu?
[04:28] <crimsun> janimo: not even sure I'd have them installed, just on the CD. Conceivably people wanting Xfce wouldn't want either of the others
[04:28] <janimo> or they could be an explicit boot option since only people who know about them will choose them
[04:28] <janimo> but we need some way to run them in the desktop CD
[04:29] <crimsun> right, something at boot time is preferable to an installer prompt or shoehorning either into gdm
[04:29] <janimo> that'd make the difference of being able to run in 64M live or not
[04:29] <nomed> janimo, that probably means to patch casper
[04:29] <janimo> depends also on liveCD improvemts for edgy thiugh
[04:29] <Mithrandir> janimo: what kind of live CD improvements are you looking for?
[04:30] <janimo> right now xfce live runs up until the Xfce splash screen in 64M then the wheel stops turning...
[04:30] <janimo> Mithrandir: make it much faster, and make it use much less ram . Nothing more :)
[04:30] <Mithrandir> janimo: that's probably more "desktop" and less "live cd", though.
[04:32] <nomed> Mithrandir, i've never checked it ..
[04:32] <janimo> Mithrandir: I was just mentioning that our aim of running a live/desktop CD in 64M using fluxbox or icewm may be reached without us doing anything if improvements were don in the liveCD 
[04:32] <nomed> does casper support swap ?
[04:32] <Mithrandir> nomed: casper uses and swap which is already set up, so yes.
[04:32] <Mithrandir> s/and/any
[04:34] <crimsun> any additional items for Xubuntu discussion? (another meeting offline shortly)
[04:34] <nomed> Mithrandir, if i'm not wrong livecds as knoppix can use a swap made on a win partition ..
[04:34] <nomed> but i'm not even sure of that ..
[04:35] <nomed> crimsun, for me it's over
[04:35] <nomed> cu 
[04:36] <Mithrandir> nomed: patches accepted. :-)
[04:36] <crimsun> janimo: ok, Xubuntu adjourned then?
[04:36] <nomed> Mithrandir, i'll take a look
[04:36] <janimo> crimsun: yes
[04:36] <nomed> i need to go for a while now
[04:36] <nomed> bye
[04:36] <crimsun> ok.
[04:37] <Mithrandir> (as in, I'll accept patches, but it's not near the top of my list, so I probably won't get to do it myself)
[04:37] <janimo> bye all
[09:55] <lucasvo> hi pygi 
[09:55] <lucasvo> already warming up ?
[09:55] <pygi> lucasvo, hehe :)
[09:55] <HedgeMage> hehe
[09:56] <pygi> Was just watching croatia vs. spain 
[09:56] <pygi> joy :-P
[09:56] <neuralis> pygi: how did we do?
[09:57] <pygi> neuralis, we are winning 1:0
[09:57] <pygi> spain player gave himself a goal with head :)
[09:57] <neuralis> awesome.
[09:57] <lucasvo> wow
[09:57] <pygi> indeed, but we almost got like 3 goals :-/
[09:57] <pygi> Defence is not good :-/
[09:58] <HedgeMage> I'm ssh'ed to an irssi session on my linux box from hubby's windows lappy, so if this borks itself at some point, give me 5 minutes to corral TT and get into the office
[09:58] <pygi> HedgeMage, no worries ;)
[09:58] <cbx33> As you are all aware, my laptop is playing up with the keyboard
[09:58] <HedgeMage> hehe :)
[09:58] <cbx33> please ignore typos, I'm trying to resolve
[09:58] <mhz> TT...lol!
[09:58] <JaneW> hello - sorry I am late
[09:59] <mhz> JaneW: hey!!
[09:59] <JaneW> or am I early?
[09:59] <cbx33> but the bug is very ellusive
[09:59] <lucasvo> cbx33: just don't mess up with - and +
[09:59] <cbx33> heheh
[09:59] <HedgeMage> JaneW: right on time.
[09:59] <lucasvo> hi JaneW 
[09:59] <JaneW> yay
[09:59] <pygi> neuralis, whats new with you? I hear there are still legal things to settle with that python thing of yours :(
[09:59] <JaneW> sorry I am not completely compus mentus
[09:59] <pygi> hey JaneW ;)
[09:59] <Amaranth> 1 minute
[09:59] <cbx33> Hi Jane
[09:59] <cbx33> how are you feeling
[09:59] <cbx33> have we started yet?
[09:59] <lucasvo> cbx33: not yet
[10:00] <lucasvo> actually it just turned 22:00
[10:00] <cbx33> <--------------------------------------------meeting notes start here---------------------------------------------->
[10:00] <neuralis> pygi: i'm in croatia; ping me outside of the meeting, we'll have a beer.
[10:00] <JaneW> not great
[10:00] <pygi> neuralis, nice, great ;)
[10:00] <ogra> hi all
[10:01] <cbx33> hey ogra 
[10:01] <highvoltage> hi edubuntero's
[10:01] <lucasvo> hi everybody
[10:01] <cbx33> Burgwork, he could mean he's smiling
[10:02] <ogra> i dont think we need to got through the general agenda items today
[10:02] <ogra> edgy isnt open yet 
[10:02] <cbx33> Burgwork, having just read #edubuntu I was wrong
[10:02] <Burgwork> cbx33, no comment
[10:02] <JaneW> ogra: we got member candidates?
[10:02] <ogra> yes, two 
[10:02] <lucasvo> JaneW: yup
[10:02] <HedgeMage> JaneW: me! :D
[10:02] <JaneW> HedgeMage: :)
[10:03] <highvoltage> whohoo!
[10:03] <ogra> just a short update, i'm working on a fix for dapper-updates for edubuntu-artwork (in case you didnt notice we're missing the cursor theme)
[10:03] <HedgeMage> rofl cbx33 
[10:03] <cbx33> cool ogra 
[10:03] <lucasvo> cbx33: don't you see the tons of chocolate in front of you?
[10:03] <cbx33> ahhh....that's waht it was
[10:04] <cbx33> ogra, i see the homies have been making an appearance in a lot of places
[10:04] <ogra> additionally, thanks to highvoltage LaserJock and cbx33 for adding specs and spec ideas on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuEdgyIdeas
[10:04] <highvoltage> cool. more specs will populate that space shortly :)
[10:04] <cbx33> oooh, what  you have up your sleeve?
[10:04] <lucasvo> what is our agenda today?
[10:04] <ogra> in case you want to add something still, only things with initial spec attached will be considered
[10:05] <HedgeMage> :)
[10:05] <pygi> highvoltage, indeed, along with new S-C-P specc :)
[10:05] <jsgotangco> morning
[10:05] <JaneW> is the whole EC here?
[10:05] <lucasvo> only voting for edubuntu members?
[10:05] <JaneW> jsgotangco: ?
[10:05] <JaneW> oh hi jsgotangco 
[10:05] <jsgotangco> 4am =)
[10:05] <ogra> JaneW, LaserJock is missing it seems
[10:05] <JaneW> LaserJock?
[10:05] <cbx33> pygi, cool
[10:05] <cbx33> he;s around
[10:05] <cbx33> but v.busy
[10:05] <HedgeMage> S-C-P == ?
[10:05] <ogra> just not here
[10:05] <jsgotangco> student control panel
[10:05] <lucasvo> HedgeMage: student control panel
[10:05] <cbx33> nope
[10:05] <ogra> HedgeMage, student control panel
[10:05] <HedgeMage> lucasvo: ahh cool
[10:06] <ogra> i'm just writing on the spec
[10:06] <cbx33> cool
[10:06] <pygi> ogra, oki, tell me so I can see what needs to be done, or add something perhaps ;)
[10:06] <cbx33> I'd like to see it too
[10:06] <LaserJock> sorry people
[10:06] <lucasvo> hi LaserJock 
[10:07] <JaneW> hi LaserJock 
[10:07] <cbx33> woh LaserJock fancy meeting you here ;)
[10:07] <JaneW> ok everyone is here
[10:07] <ogra> pygi, in principle it will only list the stuff from the TODO and two or three additional features
[10:07] <Amaranth> so, what spec did you guys want to kidnap me for? :)
[10:07] <JaneW> so this is my last EC meeting. I will be around for next week's Edubuntu regular meeting.
[10:07] <ogra> ok, enough edubuntu stuff lets start with the fun :)
[10:07] <cbx33> :( JaneW 
[10:08] <HedgeMage> JaneW: we'll be sorry to see you go :(
[10:08] <JaneW> I obviously have to step down from the EC...
[10:08] <mhz> -h
[10:08] <JaneW> but am happy to vote tonight - if I may
[10:08] <JaneW> ?
[10:08] <mhz> nope :D
[10:08] <highvoltage> +1
[10:08] <ogra> Amaranth, willow-ng is enough, really ... if you still have sparetime you can add https filtering :P
[10:08] <Amaranth> hehe
[10:09] <JaneW> are you guys happy to remain with an EC of 4 from now on, for the next while?
[10:09] <ogra> JaneW, you can evenn stay in the council if you want i see no reason why not
[10:09] <cbx33> ogra, true
[10:09] <cbx33> tut tut LaserJock 
[10:09] <cbx33> +1
[10:09] <JaneW> ogra: I am not sure I can commit to carrying out responsibilities
[10:09] <ogra> so we'd at least see you once a month :)
[10:09] <cbx33> oh wait I already did
[10:09] <LaserJock> ogra: should the EC vote to keep JaneW in the EC ;-)
[10:09] <ogra> lol
[10:09] <cbx33> heheh
[10:09] <mhz> heheh
[10:09] <JaneW> ogra: I'd like to remain a member though?
[10:09] <cbx33> by the looks of things it already has
[10:09] <ogra> JaneW, sure 
[10:10] <JaneW> ogra: I shall certainly try to be here though
[10:10] <ogra> JaneW, we want to keep our lara (edubuntu) craft (girl) *g*
[10:10] <jsgotangco> JaneW: as long as you dont play bliss anymore i'll ack
[10:10] <LaserJock> hehe
[10:10] <highvoltage> heh.
[10:11] <ogra> jsgotangco, well, as long as she doesnt play it in public at least :)
[10:11] <JaneW> jsgotangco: haha, agreed
[10:11] <jsgotangco> yes that must have been the cause of the plague
[10:11] <JaneW> !
[10:11] <cbx33> awww
[10:11] <LaserJock> anyway, back on task?
[10:11] <ogra> soooo
[10:11] <Amaranth> ogra: lara croft
[10:12] <ogra> there is this mario danic guy who wants to be a member 
[10:12] <lucasvo> who is that?
[10:12] <ogra> anybody know him ? 
[10:12] <lucasvo> Nick?
[10:12] <cbx33> hmm
[10:12] <Amaranth> never heard of him
[10:12] <cbx33> I think I've heard of him
[10:12] <cbx33> He's helped me out a lot
[10:12] <ogra> *grin*
[10:12] <Amaranth> hehe
[10:12] <cbx33> great guy
[10:12] <highvoltage> mr pygi
[10:12] <cbx33> really dedicated
[10:12] <highvoltage> (some might say too dedicated)
[10:12] <lucasvo> oh, embarassing, that's pygi
[10:12] <JaneW> pygi: want to present yourself?
[10:12] <ogra> pygi, so show us your two line intro :)
[10:12] <JaneW> highvoltage: :P
[10:13] <HedgeMage> ogra: I think he's worth keeping around ;)
[10:13] <Amaranth> lucasvo: we were joking :P
[10:13] <pygi> ogra, intro? I don't have a intro :P
[10:13] <lucasvo> Amaranth: I wasn't, *gettingredface*
[10:13] <jsgotangco> surely you have one, i woke up at 4am just for this =)
[10:13] <ogra> pygi, its usual to have prepared two lines introducing yourself ...
[10:13] <pygi> o joy :)
[10:13] <Amaranth> pygi is my hero
[10:13] <ogra> you can do that on the fly if you like :)
[10:13] <Amaranth> there is one line ;)
[10:13] <highvoltage> pygi: you wrote a big part of the cookbook, surely you can come up with two lines :)
[10:14] <cbx33> by that I assume you have your HedgeMage 
[10:14] <JaneW> pygi: you basically need to tell us who you are, what you have done so far, and what you intend to contribute in the future...
[10:14] <Amaranth> HedgeMage: me too, i'm actually using evolution to keep appointments :)
[10:14] <pygi> JaneW, I know, sec ;)
[10:14] <HedgeMage> hehe
[10:15] <lucasvo> maybe HedgeMage could begin?
[10:15] <Amaranth> that might be good
[10:15] <lucasvo> to give pygi a little bit more time?
[10:15] <jsgotangco> sure
[10:15] <Amaranth> give pygi some time to prepare
[10:15] <JaneW> HedgeMage: yes if you are ready now...?
[10:15] <HedgeMage> sure...
[10:15] <lucasvo> HedgeMage, go for it!
[10:15] <HedgeMage> I've been working with computer technology in education since 1992, and with Linux since 1995.  In my 2+ months with Edubuntu, I've become an editor of the Cookbook with pygi (Mario Danic) and general helper on IRC, the mailing lists, and wiki.  I hope to pick up some development tasks in the future, when cookbook feels "finished", FSVT.
[10:15] <Amaranth> FSVT?
[10:16] <HedgeMage> "for some value thereof" 
[10:16] <Amaranth> ah
[10:16] <HedgeMage> it's never really finished... heh
[10:16] <ogra> so shoot then :)
[10:16] <ogra> haha
[10:17] <jsgotangco> well HedgeMage wrote much of the release annoucement for edubuntu dapper too if its worth mentioning
[10:17] <HedgeMage> Yep, thanks jsgotangco :D
[10:17] <ogra> yes, unless we stop development it will be an all time changer :)
[10:17] <JaneW> HedgeMage: you have also been a good consistent presence here
[10:17] <HedgeMage> :) thanks JaneW 
[10:17] <LaserJock> HedgeMage: have you had much interaction with non-Edubuntu people?
[10:17] <cbx33> HedgeMage, has been fantastic
[10:18] <ogra> i like the introduction of your wiki :)
[10:18] <JaneW> HedgeMage: so you are interested in getting into the dev side too?
[10:18] <HedgeMage> LaserJock: LOL as in #ubuntu non-edubuntu people, or as in "do you have a life, HedgeMage?"
[10:18] <highvoltage> link?
[10:18] <HedgeMage> ogra: thanks
[10:18] <JaneW> HedgeMage: excellent
[10:18] <lucasvo> I think it's depressing, being in school and reading the sentence " The most important things I've learned were never taught.:
[10:18] <JaneW> HedgeMage: lol
[10:18] <Amaranth> HedgeMage: You're an IRCOP?
[10:18] <LaserJock> HedgeMage: as in, interecation with Ubuntu and Kubuntu devs, doc writers, etc.
[10:19] <LaserJock> HedgeMage: have you been or are you planning on contributing outside of Edubuntu is sort of my question?
[10:19] <HedgeMage> LaserJock: Not to other ubuntu stuff, no.  I may in the future if an interesting opportunity comes up, but I'm particularly interested in the educational stuff.
[10:20] <JaneW> LaserJock: oi just rem you have an edubuntu hat on here ;)
[10:20] <cbx33> he's poaching
[10:20] <ogra> HedgeMage, which area would you want to work onin edubuntu  if you'd do development
[10:20] <ogra> s/onin/on in/
[10:20] <cbx33> onion?
[10:20] <LaserJock> JaneW: I do but I think it's important to note that we are a part of a larger community ;-)
[10:20] <HedgeMage> ogra: haven't decided yet... I'm trying not to get too interested in another project while Cookbook still needs so much attention
[10:20] <JaneW> HedgeMage: I think it's really helpful here that you have educational knowledge and background, besides your IT skills. :)
[10:21] <LaserJock> JaneW: it wasn't a negative thing as much as a wondering :-)
[10:21] <spacey> hi
[10:21] <HedgeMage> ogra: I'm easily distracted if I'm not careful ;)
[10:21] <spacey> :o
[10:21] <HedgeMage> hi spacey 
[10:21] <JaneW> LaserJock: understood :)
[10:21] <HedgeMage> JaneW: thanks... I was raised by a teacher, and used to teach disabled kids, so it is very helpful :)
[10:21] <LaserJock> JaneW: particularly if she wants to work on development she will probably want to be involved with the MOTU
[10:21] <ogra> HedgeMage, i can totally feel with you here, i have the same prob
[10:21] <JaneW> HedgeMage: you made an edubuntu cake!?
[10:22] <LaserJock> \o/
[10:22] <HedgeMage> JaneW: yes, but I don't have a digital camera so there are no pics until I get film developed
[10:22] <Amaranth> HedgeMage: would you be able to make sure the accessibility stuff is working right?
[10:22] <HedgeMage> :D
[10:22] <jsgotangco> interesting now we have solid competition of ubuntu food
[10:22] <Amaranth> or do you mean a different kind of disabled?
[10:22] <HedgeMage> Amaranth: definitely.
[10:22] <lucasvo> HedgeMage: you can read braille? 
[10:23] <JaneW> HedgeMage: if you can help with accessability that's +++ from me :)
[10:23] <HedgeMage> Amaranth: didn't have any blind kids (by chance, not design) but many deaf kids, and kids with emotional, developmental, and/or physical problems.
[10:23] <HedgeMage> lucasvo: nope
[10:23] <HedgeMage> lucasvo: could probably learn, and probably should, I have a blind nephew
[10:23] <jsgotangco> HedgeMage: we neeeeeed more people with realy life a11y experience
[10:23] <jsgotangco> s/realy/real
[10:23] <HedgeMage> I'm often an accessability nag :)
[10:23] <Amaranth> Score.
[10:23] <jsgotangco> profit
[10:24] <ogra> jsgotangco, we (edubuntu) need more people with general dev knowledge :)
[10:24] <LaserJock> shall we vote? or shall we continue the HedgeMage love fest?
[10:24] <JaneW> ogra: INDEED
[10:24] <jsgotangco> well i was talking with m a11y hat on :/
[10:24] <JaneW> I am ready to vote I think
[10:24] <JaneW> anymore questions anyone?
[10:24] <cbx33> HedgeMage, where do you think edubuntu needs most improvement?
[10:24] <ogra> i think we all know HedgeMage good enough :)
[10:24] <HedgeMage> cbx33: hmmm...
[10:25] <cbx33> who me sir?
[10:25] <JaneW> heh
[10:26] <JaneW> ok let's vote.
[10:26] <jsgotangco> alright
[10:26] <JaneW> All in favour of HedgeMage as Edubuntu Member?
[10:26] <HedgeMage> cbx33: I think we need to make sure we have an installer that offers some lighter stuff for more hardware-poor areas as defaults.
[10:26] <jsgotangco> happy to vote based on merits, but should sign CoC
[10:26] <HedgeMage> cbx33: that would be #1 on my list.
[10:26] <highvoltage> +1 for HedgeMage 
[10:26] <ogra> +1 from me based on good experience with HedgeMage 
[10:26] <HedgeMage> jsgotangco: ack, I did that right before my lappy died... must not have gotten posted well
[10:27] <jsgotangco> cheers
[10:27] <cbx33> +1 from me if I were able to vote :p
[10:27] <JaneW> +1 definitely (with note to say please strongly consider getting involved in dev side, as it's the biggest single need)
[10:27] <ogra> +++
[10:27] <HedgeMage> :)
[10:27] <ogra> LaserJock, ?
[10:27] <ogra> jsgotangco, ?
[10:27] <HedgeMage> I think I bored him to sleep ;)
[10:27] <LaserJock> doh, sorry, keyboard was acting up
[10:27] <LaserJock> +1 from me
[10:28] <ogra> jsgotangco, fallen asleep ?
[10:28] <JaneW> jsgotangco: yes COC signing would be a prereq anyway
[10:28] <LaserJock> HedgeMage: you're an awesome part of the Edubuntu community and I wish you luck as you continue your efforts :-)
[10:28] <jsgotangco> no still here
[10:28] <HedgeMage> LaserJock: Thanks!
[10:28] <mhz> heheh
[10:28] <ogra> indeed, we can approve LP team membershib for non ubunteros
[10:28] <jsgotangco> ogra: huh?
[10:28] <ogra> *cant
[10:28] <mhz> oh
[10:28] <HedgeMage> I'll re-do and re-upload right now
[10:28] <ogra> jsgotangco, your vote ? 
[10:28] <JaneW> jsgotangco: please give a clear vote + or - please
[10:28] <Amaranth> that reminds me, i need to figure out how to get my key signed
[10:29] <jsgotangco> +1 sorry
[10:29] <highvoltage> +ONE!!111!11cos(0)
[10:29] <JaneW> jsgotangco: thanks
[10:29] <ogra> or 0
[10:29] <ogra> yay
[10:29] <JaneW> HedgeMage: it's unanimous then, welcome!
[10:29] <HedgeMage> grrr
[10:29] <HedgeMage> JaneW: Thank you!
[10:29] <mhz> ya! HedgeMage is EC!!!
[10:29] <ogra> HedgeMage, welcome aboard !!!
[10:29] <highvoltage> HedgeMage: welcome to the team :)
[10:29] <mhz> duh
[10:29] <cbx33> congrats HedgeMage 
[10:29] <ogra> now get your CoC signed :)
[10:29] <mhz> EM
[10:29] <highvoltage> mhz: EC? i thought we were voting for member!
[10:29] <JaneW> mhz: no edubuntu member not EC
[10:30] <HedgeMage> ogra: once I visit the bank :/   I could make a new key, I guess.
[10:30] <LaserJock> HedgeMage: safe deposit box? that should make here geeky enought to work on the dev side, right ;-)
[10:30] <mhz> highvoltage: sorry guys... one handed at this point
[10:30] <HedgeMage> LaserJock: heh
[10:30] <JaneW> jenda: it's ok, we are a bit less formal here :)
[10:30] <ogra> HedgeMage, well, it needs to be signed
[10:30] <HedgeMage> thanks, jenda :) and thanks for coming to support me
[10:30] <highvoltage> mhz: please keep both your hands on keyboard during meetings *ahem*
[10:30] <cbx33> HedgeMage, you deserve it
[10:30] <HedgeMage> ogra: I'll make a new one right now
[10:30] <jenda> support? I was just looking ;)
[10:30] <Amaranth> *giggle*
[10:30] <JaneW> highvoltage: !
[10:30] <mhz> highvoltage: can't right now, but will in a mins.
[10:30] <highvoltage> lol!
[10:31] <Amaranth> pygi: Ready?
[10:31] <pygi> Amaranth, yup :P
[10:31] <ogra> then move on :)
[10:31] <pygi> excuse me for bad writing first :P
[10:31] <JaneW> ogra: is there any auto checking for COC signed before allowing membership, or do we need to check manually?
[10:31] <pygi> My name is Mario Danic, and my FOSS life started somewhere
[10:31] <pygi> around Slackware 2.x. I am contributing to Ubuntu since it's very
[10:31] <pygi> own starts and first release, and trying to randomly help
[10:31] <pygi> where I am welcome to do so. For Edubuntu, I've been maintaining
[10:31] <pygi> and writing the "How to Cook Edubuntu?" stuff with Susan (HedgeMage),
[10:31] <pygi> which I hope will even improve in the future. For other things, I've made
[10:31] <pygi> effort with few other people to bring and package n-m 0.6.2 into/for dapper,
[10:31] <pygi> and fixing all that bunch of bugs. For Edubuntu in general for Edgy,
[10:31] <pygi> I plan to pursue S-C-P to make it the best tool of it's kind
[10:31] <pygi> ever, and I hope to even more bug ogra and the rest of folks
[10:31] <mhz> HedgeMage: cool, women's ideas are always needed
[10:31] <pygi> at #edubuntu, and will be holding amongst others, presentation
[10:31] <pygi> about Edubuntu at Hungarian Linux Users Conference.
[10:31] <pygi> On other thoughts, I plan to contribute to Kubuntu for Edgy
[10:32] <pygi> in form of KDE UI for bzr, and perhaps, but just perhaps writing
[10:32] <pygi> a guidance module for  Grub. Also, I am mentoring 3 students
[10:32] <pygi> for SoC, so perhaps we can have some great stuff for edgy if 
[10:32] <Amaranth> eek
[10:32] <pygi> it all turns out good. If I am forced again, I might pursue 
[10:32] <pygi> membership in MOTU so I wouldn't need to bother ogra for every lill'
[10:32] <pygi> upload :)
[10:32] <pygi> o joy :)
[10:32] <Amaranth> two lines :P
[10:32] <ogra> JaneW, manually is the safe bet think
[10:32] <ogra> pygi, wow that were two long sentences :)
[10:32] <highvoltage> that's a long two lines indeed.
[10:32] <cbx33> nice pygi 
[10:33] <JaneW> pygi: thanks
[10:33] <Amaranth> am i the only one who just started this stuff with ubuntu 4.10? :P
[10:34] <ogra> ah, now it loads :)
[10:34] <highvoltage> Amaranth: i used ubuntu since it was called no-name-yet.com
[10:34] <JaneW> pygi: generally I think you are very enthusiastic and keen, and are very motivated 
[10:34] <Amaranth> i meant linux in general
[10:34] <Amaranth> again, pygi is my hero :)
[10:34] <ogra> pygi, slack 2.0 ? that was '95 or something ?
[10:34] <jsgotangco> yeah
[10:34] <pygi> ogra, :P
[10:34] <highvoltage> pygi: after the cookbook is complete, do you plan on doing additional modules/writings for it?
[10:35] <JaneW> pygi: I would just caution you to be aware of not being too demanding at times, and to realise that sometimes there are priorities. So people can't always get to your task immediately. I do think you know this though.
[10:35] <pygi> highvoltage, yup, ofcourse, improving cookbook is always there :) We even plan on publishing "How to cook Edgy Edubuntu?" :)
[10:35] <JaneW> pygi: I have been very impressed with you taking the Cookbook on and actually getting something done with that (and many thanks to HedgeMage for that too)
[10:35] <jsgotangco> pygi: out of curiousity rather than edubuntu related, what's your plan on n-m?
[10:36] <pygi> JaneW, ofcourse, no worries :)
[10:36] <pygi> jsgotangco, Keybuk said we wont provide further integration, and considering I am not any kind of uploader, I cant do much with it currently :(
[10:36] <LaserJock> pygi: did you start with the EdubuntuCookbook when you started the How to cook Edubuntu doc?
[10:36] <JaneW> pygi: and thanks for all the help with the SoC application reviewing etc, I know it took a lot of your time, so thanks for being ever willing with that :))
[10:36] <ogra> LaserJock, the are the same 
[10:36] <ogra> *they
[10:37] <ogra> EdubuntuCookbook is just the old name
[10:37] <pygi> LaserJock, "How To Cook Edubuntu?" = Edubuntu Cookbook ;)
[10:37] <LaserJock> ogra: umm, you sure? They didn't look the same to me
[10:37] <pygi> JaneW, thank you ;)
[10:37] <JaneW> pygi: I think if you can manage to become a MOTU that will help a lot, and you will become that much more useful to ogra
[10:37] <lucasvo> Amaranth: I started using linux when 4.10 was already released, but I first used Suse then switched to ubuntu in 5.04
[10:37] <HedgeMage> umm, what's MOTU ?
[10:37] <mhz> Amaranth: I did
[10:38] <LaserJock> HedgeMage: wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU
[10:38] <ogra> HedgeMage, masters of the universe
[10:38] <cbx33> Master of the Universe HedgeMage 
[10:38] <lucasvo> HedgeMage: master of the universe
[10:38] <pygi> highvoltage, hehe :)
[10:38] <HedgeMage> ahh
[10:38] <ogra> HedgeMage, the universe maintainers
[10:38] <mhz> Amaranth: I did started ubuntu stuff with warty
[10:38] <ogra> mhz, he meant linux stuff :)
[10:38] <ogra> in general
[10:38] <LaserJock> pygi: have you talked to the doc team about the cookbook?
[10:38] <Amaranth> before warty i only knew enough about linux to chmod stuff so it would work with CGI :P
[10:38] <pygi> LaserJock, ofcourse :)
[10:38] <mhz> ogra: i noticed right after <enter>
[10:38] <mhz> :(
[10:38] <ogra> :)
[10:39] <Amaranth> then i started looking for up-to-date gnome packages for debian and saw something about ubuntu (i think on slashdot) :)
[10:39] <pygi> jsgotangco, perhaps we'll see if we can integrate more n-m if new upstream product is out in edgy timeframe
[10:39] <ogra> mhz, so do you want to help out the a11y team with testing while youre that handicapped ? 
[10:39] <pygi> I contacted upstream about it
[10:40] <mhz> ogra: lol!
[10:40] <jsgotangco> pygi: cool the current one is amazing already just wanted to give kudos =)
[10:40] <ogra> pygi, whats your vision beyond s-c-p for edubuntu development ? 
[10:41] <ogra> any specific direction you'd like to move in development wise ?
[10:41] <mhz> pygi: I have read some many parts of the cookbook, not all yet, but yeah, great !
[10:41] <ogra> (or education wise even)
[10:41] <JaneW> pygi: also will you be advocating edubuntu in your local community?
[10:42] <pygi> ogra,  I'd like to get more involved in this LTSP stuff so we  could improve it, and working on HUB *which is not just edubuntu related* for backup stuff
[10:42] <ogra> cool
[10:42] <pygi> JaneW, ofcourse, see wiki :P
[10:42] <pygi> ogra, if you agree ofcourse :)
[10:42] <jsgotangco> ogra: are you still pursuing ltsp-manager?
[10:42] <lucasvo> pygi: it's free software :)
[10:42] <pygi> jsgotangco, yup
[10:43] <ogra> jsgotangco, its a spec now :)
[10:43] <jsgotangco> cool hoping to merge soon then
[10:43] <Amaranth> that reminds me, i need to get my local LUG to stop meeting in bars so i can pitch edubuntu to the department of education IT guy :)
[10:43] <JaneW> pygi: right, doing so
[10:43] <ogra> pygi, what about diva ? it isnt packaged yet in ubuntu ?
[10:44] <highvoltage> diva?
[10:44] <pygi> ogra, no, it isnt packaged because we currently require CVS dependencies
[10:44] <Amaranth> video editor
[10:44] <ogra> highvoltage, see his wikipage
[10:44] <pygi> but that will change in a release that is to happen in like 3 days
[10:44] <highvoltage> ah
[10:44] <jsgotangco> l337 mono-based video editor
[10:44] <Amaranth> was a SoC project last year, it's awesome (or will be)
[10:44] <pygi> Amaranth, it's is more then awesome ;)
[10:44] <pygi> 0.0.3 is mini revolution ;)
[10:45] <ogra> seems liek a good motu entry project then ;)
[10:45] <ogra> *like
[10:45] <pygi> ogra, indeed ;)
[10:45] <LaserJock> yes
[10:46] <ogra> has anybody additional questions or is anybody missing an answer or shall we vote ?
[10:46] <HedgeMage> I'm all for voting :)
[10:47] <mhz> Can I make a question to pygi ?
[10:47] <ogra> sure
[10:47] <HedgeMage> so do I get to vote? or am I too new?
[10:47] <ogra> HedgeMage, only the 5 council members may actually vote, but non council members may cheer :)
[10:47] <LaserJock> doh, I had 1 question left, can I ask it?
[10:47] <mhz> pygi: how many teachers in your local community may get involvd in Edubuntu?
[10:47] <HedgeMage> ogra: ahh okay
[10:47] <ogra> LaserJock, sure
[10:48] <pygi> mhz, just 2 for now actually :-/ I am talking with other schools tho, and they seem willing to make the switch
[10:48] <mhz> pygi: i reprhrase.. Have you talked to teachers in your local comm.?
[10:48] <pygi> mhz, yup
[10:48] <LaserJock> pygi: why are you seeking membership through Edubuntu as opposed to Ubuntu?
[10:48] <mhz> pygi: thx.
[10:48] <pygi> LaserJock, not sure actually, does it matter anyway? :)
[10:49] <pygi> I mostly contribute to Edubuntu lately anyway
[10:49] <mhz> \o/ \o/ \o/ for pygi 
[10:49] <mhz> pygi: I am currently looking for teachers to read CookBook, that's the reason to the question :)
[10:49] <LaserJock> pygi: it does matter in a way, to me anyway
[10:50] <pygi> LaserJock, hm, well, as I said, was mostly involved in Edubuntu lately except from that network manager stuff
[10:50] <jsgotangco> yes
[10:50] <pygi> and was bugging edubuntu people most :)
[10:50] <JaneW> heh
[10:50] <jsgotangco> but you made a lot of people happy with n-m
[10:51] <LaserJock> pygi: ok, fine
[10:51] <lucasvo> n-m?
[10:51] <pygi> LaserJock, tell if I should explain more :)
[10:51] <cbx33> network ager
[10:51] <cbx33> manager
[10:51] <lucasvo> ah
[10:51] <mhz> m+
[10:51] <Amaranth> is EM status enough to be MOTU?
[10:51] <mhz> heheh
[10:51] <HedgeMage> mhz: I already have teachers lined up :D
[10:51] <Amaranth> or do you need UM too?
[10:51] <ogra> Amaranth, yep, its enough
[10:51] <ogra> UM is contained in EM
[10:51] <ogra> :)
[10:51] <Amaranth> neat
[10:52] <highvoltage> Amaranth: you have to either be an EM or UM member to apply for MOTU, but being an EM member != motu member
[10:52] <mhz> HedgeMage: cool, that is key to Edubuntu real success, computer guys are easier to get happy with Edubuntu
[10:52] <Amaranth> i'm a signed key away from being an ubuntu member :P
[10:52] <HedgeMage> mhz: yep
[10:52] <Amaranth> for about 18 months or so now :/
[10:52] <LaserJock> +1 from me for sustained and substantial contribution to both Ubuntu and Edubuntu communities
[10:52] <Amaranth> maybe 12
[10:52] <HedgeMage> mhz: I recruited my mom and a few of her teacher friends... won't have them until school gets out in the next week or so, though
[10:52] <ogra> yay
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[10:52] <lucasvo> Amaranth: signed key?
[10:52] <ogra> welcome pygi !
[10:52] <jsgotangco> LaserJock: that sounded soooo EC-like
[10:52] <pygi> thanks ogra ;)
[10:53] <Amaranth> lucasvo: need to get my key signed so i can sign the CoC
[10:53] <lucasvo> ah
[10:53] <LaserJock> jsgotangco: I try ;-)
[10:53] <ogra> Amaranth, we'll find someone over time ...
[10:53] <mhz> HedgeMage: good, there is a mini survey I would like to pass on to them (oops, in spanish but can get it into english soon)
[10:53] <highvoltage> Amaranth: you don't need your key signed to sign the CoC
[10:53] <Amaranth> highvoltage: err
[10:53] <ogra> highvoltage, you do
[10:53] <HedgeMage> mhz: yeah, I'd need a translation to English first :)
[10:54] <JaneW> also we need more ppl blogging about edubuntu, reviewing it and getting it mentioned in the press...
[10:54] <LaserJock> I don't think you have to have a signed key to sign the CoC
[10:54] <mhz> (at least about non-meeting stuff
[10:54] <highvoltage> hmmm... i just used my normal gpg key and it worked (perhaps i'm not understanding properly)
[10:54] <Amaranth> LaserJock: you do, otherwise I could create a key saying I'm Mark Shuttleworth and sign it
[10:54] <JaneW> highvoltage: you are right
[10:54] <pygi> JaneW, slowly things are changing :)
[10:54] <JaneW> I signed the COC with my brand new key before it was signed (I THINK)
[10:55] <ogra> highvoltage, in any case you cant upload with an unsigned key, if LP accepts unsigned keys for CoC signing, thats a bug
[10:55] <LaserJock> Amaranth: and you could sign the CoC with it
[10:55] <HedgeMage> That's why I wanted to use my regular key (signed by many people) not the new one, but I can always sign again
[10:55] <highvoltage> ogra: i think that might be the case, hey
[10:55] <mhz> JaneW: I got my second edubuntu article in 900 print outs :)
[10:55] <Amaranth> LaserJock: that's what i meant
[10:55] <JaneW> I actually physically signed the CoC in ink at first!
[10:55] <JaneW> mhz: well done!!
[10:55] <Amaranth> LaserJock: I could create a key with sabdfl's name and sign the CoC with it
[10:55] <mhz> JaneW: well, that would be about 400 schools only
[10:55] <LaserJock> Amaranth: right, and there is nothing stopping you from doing that
[10:55] <jenda> whoa... really? I don't have a signed key, and I'm applying for membership...
[10:55] <Amaranth> LaserJock: but if i have to be in the PGP trusted set to sign the CoC that doesn't work
[10:56] <ogra> wow, we actually filled 1h i wouldnt have expected that without having our general agenda 
[10:56] <HedgeMage> lol
[10:56] <ogra> is there any other business ?
[10:56] <Amaranth> because before someone signs my sabdfl key they look at my ID card
[10:56] <JaneW> ogra: we do tend to chat ;)
[10:56] <HedgeMage> none here
[10:56] <lucasvo> did you already vote?
[10:56] <ogra> lucasvo, ages ago :)
[10:56] <lucasvo> I think I missed that
[10:56] <lucasvo> :)
[10:56] <HedgeMage> night night highvoltage 
[10:57] <HedgeMage> :D
[10:57] <HedgeMage> thanks!
[10:57] <Amaranth> and they say "you're not sabdfl!" and punch me in the face
[10:57] <cbx33> congrats everyone
[10:57] <ogra> if nobody has any extra topics, we'll clonse then :)
[10:57] <lucasvo> at least I have school late tomorrow
[10:57] <pygi> thanks JaneW ;)
[10:57] <cbx33> <-----------------------meeting notes end here-------------------------------------->
[10:57] <jsgotangco> mm 5am still have time to sleep
[10:57] <highvoltage> meeting clonsed then?
[10:57] <highvoltage> :p
[10:58] <highvoltage> JaneW: it has finished already
[10:58] <pygi> enjoy JaneW ;)
[10:58] <HedgeMage> lol have fun
[10:58] <JaneW> since the meeting is clonse
[10:58] <mhz> JaneW: then, dont enjoy :)
[10:58] <ogra> cbx33, wanna draw the line ? 
[10:58] <JaneW> highvoltage: taped it
[10:58] <highvoltage> goodnight everyone
[10:58] <mhz> oh
[10:58] <jsgotangco> ciao and congrats
[10:58] <mhz> nn
[10:58] <jenda> Are you all sure one needs a signed key? please? ;)
[10:58] <lucasvo> night
[10:58] <lucasvo> I only tried with a signed key
[10:58] <pygi> jenda, for CoC, nop, you dont need
[10:58] <ogra> night all
[10:59] <pygi> night ogra 
[10:59] <JaneW> night
[10:59] <jenda> and for membership?
[10:59] <jenda> (night to the quitters ;) )
[10:59] <pygi> jenda, nop
[10:59] <pygi> but for MOTU you need signed
[10:59] <pygi> night JaneW ;)
[10:59] <Amaranth> mako told me i needed a signed key
[10:59] <jenda> Ok, *whew*
[10:59] <Amaranth> for CoC
[10:59] <jenda> Amaranth: perhaps you have special status ;)
[11:00] <pygi> Amaranth, nop, LP has a bug :P
[11:00] <mako> Amaranth: that was a very long time ago, the process was a little different then
[11:00] <ogra> pygi, you need a signed key, if not thats a bug that needs to be fixed in LP
[11:00] <jsgotangco> mako: congrats dude! nice pics!
[11:00] <pygi> ogra, well, it is a bug :P
[11:00] <ogra> yep 
[11:00] <mako> jsgotangco: thanks :)
[11:01] <ogra> mako, yeah, congrats !!!
[11:01] <pygi> ogra, not sure if there is such report tho
[11:01] <jsgotangco> mako: although seeing you in a white suit is rather new to me, but good nonetheless
[11:01] <jenda> Ah, mako... the one to ask ;) 1) congrats 2) does one need a signed key to become a member?
[11:01] <pygi> jenda, NO, but thats a bug
[11:01] <lucasvo> please carry on in #edubuntu
[11:01] <pygi> we told you already :P
[11:02] <LaserJock> ogra: you sure that's a bug. It isn't easy to get a key properly signed some times
[11:02] <jenda> pygi: I know you did, but several people have said different things...
[11:02] <mako> no, you have never *needed* a signed key to become a member
[11:03] <mako> some people have signed the CoC over FAX
[11:03] <jenda> Thank you... that's what i needed to hear.
[11:03] <jsgotangco> yeah
[11:03] <jenda> See you next CC meeting then ;)
[11:03] <LaserJock> hehe
[11:03] <ogra> LaserJock, well, i'd consider it a bug, since i see no reason to have something signed with an unsigned key
[11:03] <lucasvo> LaserJock: a signed key is just a key with several cross signatures?
[11:03] <Amaranth> lucasvo: a key signed by someone in the PGP trusted set
[11:03] <mako> right, in the past, i've put people through a bit of work to explain why they couldn't have a signed key
[11:04] <jenda> ogra: it still guarantees it's the same person who uses the key elsewhere (or group of people)
[11:04] <lucasvo> Amaranth: hm, and who is in the pgp trusted set?
[11:04] <mako> i had to take a train out of state to get my first key signed, so i'm not particularly sympathetic
[11:04] <ogra> how would i know its the same person if the key wasnt signed to approve that its the same person ? 
[11:04] <Amaranth> lucasvo: people who have had their key signed by someone in the trusted set :P
[11:04] <mako> jenda: the network of trust is important, if you're going to sit it out, you should at least have a very good reason
[11:04] <lucasvo> Amaranth: hm, how can one find out?
[11:05] <lucasvo> if one is in the trusted set?
[11:05] <Amaranth> http://biglumber.com/ can help you find people to sign your key
[11:05] <jenda> mako: I'm not saying it isn't - and I'm intending to get it singed, but it wouldn't be easy for me before the next meeting.
[11:05] <Amaranth> there are tools to see if you can trace a path from your key to, say, ogra's
[11:05] <mako> jenda: it's only two weeks
[11:05] <jenda> indeed.
[11:06] <jenda> I'll try.
[11:06] <ogra> mako, four for edubuntu :)
[11:08] <mhz> Amaranth: actually, there is a wiki howto both in spanish and english