[12:04] linuxmonkey: do you have a wiki page? [12:05] yes [12:05] Lure: kpowersave in kubuntu is quite frustrating [12:05] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Linuxmonkey [12:05] Riddell: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Linuxmonkey [12:05] linuxmonkey: what have you done to help Kubuntu? [12:06] well I help out as much as I can in #kubuntu as well as I have started to design Display Pictures for people to use to be able to show their support for Kubuntu [12:07] linuxmonkey: what are your plans for future contributions ? === imbrandon can speak for linuxmonkey in that i have seen him help new users esp in #kubuntu and dosent stray from the CoC when I've been arround to notice him ( we are on diffrent schedules ) === Hobbsee hasnt seemed to notice linuxmonkey before - not sure why though... [12:08] well I plan to help fix up the docs for kubuntu and keep supporting out vast user base [12:08] imbrandon: I can confirm I saw him beeing quite active on #kubuntu [12:08] Hobbsee: me and you are awake at diffrent times than linuxmonkey [12:08] linuxmonkey: have you spoken to jjesse or robotgeek? [12:08] imbrandon: fair enough [12:08] linuxmonkey: how long are you around helping people? [12:09] well id have to say a few months atleast, i had a 1 month vacation about 2 months ago [12:09] linuxmonkey: did you get a launchpad account and signed the code of conduct ? [12:10] Tonio_: yeah, there's one there, nothing on it [12:10] seems to be active on irc from 27th May [12:10] i have realy noticed him about the last 1 months personaly , but then again i'm on a diffrent schedule than him [12:10] Tonio_: yes - https://launchpad.net/people/linuxmonkey/ [12:10] 27th of may...a week and a half ago, or os [12:10] *so [12:11] yes ive signed the codes of conducts 1.0 and couldnt sign 1.0.1 yet since there's a bug on LP [12:11] ive been here longer [12:11] not subscribed to any bugs? [12:11] or filed any? [12:11] the zero karma is a little odd... [12:11] not yet no, and was having an issue filling a few [12:11] gosh, quite a grilling we give :) [12:12] linuxmonkey: you should talk to jjesse and robotgeek about helping with docs, that would be great [12:12] Hobbsee: well I was still 0 karma when I became member :) packages don't bring points for example ;) [12:12] I shall do that [12:12] Riddell: you have to keep the standards..;-) [12:12] and see if you have ideas for the spec jjesse started https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuDocs/Edgy [12:12] hehe - i saw that the CC was doign the same for the memberships a few days ago [12:12] Tonio_: true, they do show in launchpad though [12:13] Hobbsee: true :) [12:13] linuxmonkey: but I think we need more visible contributions before making you a member [12:13] thats cool [12:13] linuxmonkey: but don't let this put you off, #kubuntu needs all the helpers it can get and docs do too [12:13] so come back soon and you should be in [12:13] linuxmonkey: agree with Riddell... We appreciate your willing to become a member and help, but that needs more visible and concrete stuff [12:14] no worries, I will [12:14] anyone else for membership? [12:14] sorry to disturb... how does one book this channel for a meeting? (The New User Network) [12:14] jenda: e-mail fridge-devel@lists.ubuntu.com [12:14] ok [12:14] any other business? [12:14] yes, if we dont hang out on #kubuntu we dont see contributions === toma is guilty [12:15] Riddell, well, that grub implementation stuff if you want to discuss :) [12:15] there are logs though - which can be added to wiki pages or whatever... [12:15] pygi: what's that? [12:15] Riddell, that guidance module for grub configuring we were talking about? [12:15] toma: irc logs ;) [12:15] an dwe have Hobbsee [12:15] otherwise nothing :) [12:15] k [12:15] (irc op and stuff ;-)) [12:15] lol adding logs to wiki, that be 1 very long wiki [12:15] Lure: hmmm? only when my brain is working... [12:15] pygi: just takes someone to write it [12:16] Riddell, bah,ok, nvm :) === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === pygi rests his case ;) [12:16] did we all like dapper? [12:16] pygi: you can't write? [12:16] btw Hobbsee / Riddell how does one apply for the irc op team ? ya know since i spend all my time here and all ;) [12:16] Riddell: no, we hated it :P [12:16] Riddell: of course - particularly with kde 3.5.3 ;-) === imbrandon loves dapper [12:16] imbrandon: just ask me [12:16] Riddell: kubuntu dapper is nice, but kde settings sucks, really ;) [12:17] imbrandon: you run the IRC op gauntlet, and many other daunting tasks [12:17] +1 Tonio_ [12:17] toma, perhaps I might, but there are things of higher priority :) [12:17] Hobbsee: hehe [12:17] heh ;) [12:17] :) [12:17] pygi: oki! [12:17] ohhhhhh [12:17] Riddell: dapper rocks [12:17] one last thing i forgot about on the agenda [12:17] hee [12:17] ummm...whats dapper? [12:17] ;) [12:17] I like dapper very much, although i dont like the printing affair. [12:17] Riddell: what about a Systems settings module for Samba like kcontrol has ? [12:18] toma: printing is over-rated by this blog guy [12:18] the only thing we can regret copmparing to ubuntu is compiz..... and that isn't ready to change [12:18] imbrandon: we should look at fixing any bugs the existing one has for edgy [12:18] Lure: yes. [12:18] but appart from that, the changes between breezy and dapper are hudge [12:19] Tonio_: well I have a spec for that, I just have zero idea how to implement it === claydoh got smacked on the head when his mrs had to print, and I wasn't arouind to hold her hand [12:19] I don't remember another kde based distro that improved that much in only 6 month.... [12:19] toma: regular users do not have problems prinitng, while this guy wants to have the cups his way, while Ubuntu guys decided on different direction [12:19] Riddell: when you know that zack tried and failed........ [12:19] Riddell: I just think we can wait for kde4 for compiz..... [12:19] i have 5 different printers and cups loves all 5...not one usb'd to my machines...all samba and tcp/ip [12:20] Lure: well, i can't print either and that hurts when i want to make invoices. [12:20] Tonio_: oh I don't know about that, I suspect suse will come up with something very soon [12:20] ok, we're getting into discussion now [12:20] toma: really? bug#? [12:20] date of next meeting? [12:20] Lure: but lets not get into that, people are working on it. [12:20] Riddell: as you say "I will beleive it when I see it !" ;) === Hobbsee will likely not be at the next meeting, depending on when it is [12:21] Riddell: in 2 weeks ? [12:21] 6/20/2006 ? [12:21] Hobbsee: you almost missed this one [12:21] lmao [12:21] Tonio_: 2 weeks is the summit [12:21] before or after or from paris? [12:21] ;-) [12:21] should be after summit [12:21] linuxmonkey: i'm not great with mornings :P [12:21] and preferably not on a tech board night [12:21] Riddell: true.... [12:21] 26th? [12:21] its 7:21PM here:) [12:21] in three weeks then, on thuesday ? [12:22] @schedule sydney [12:22] Schedule for Australia/Sydney: Current meeting: Kubuntu | 07 Jun 23:30: Xubuntu | 08 Jun 06:00: Edubuntu | 08 Jun 18:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 14 Jun 22:00: Edubuntu | 14 Jun 23:30: Xubuntu [12:22] linuxmonkey: ^ [12:22] er, 7am here [12:22] Riddell: are you happy with dapper? [12:22] don't tuesdays clash with tech/community board? [12:22] toma: I think dapper rocks! [12:23] it has weaknesses like laptop support and that printing stuff, but in general I'm really proud of it [12:23] and the developer community we have here is the best bit [12:23] yes, you all did a great job! [12:23] heh. i'd intended to sit back and watch dapper being created. it didnt seem to happen that way though. [12:23] cen we get kwii to get rid of the bubbles for edgy, it reminds me of kde2 ;) [12:23] can* [12:23] any problems with monday 26th at 21:00UTC? [12:24] imbrandon: we'll have something different certainly, I like the bubbles though [12:24] Riddell: fine with me ;) [12:24] 26 at 2100 is cool with me [12:24] i'll be here [12:24] er...exams will be done by them, so it should be okay [12:24] just [12:25] Riddell: since Odyx isnt here want me to do the minutes ? [12:25] ok for me [12:25] imbrandon: that would be great [12:25] kk [12:25] every distro's kde setup makes me love my kubuntu desktop evenn more [12:25] oh 1 other thing can we get the LP CoC 1.0.1 fixed :) [12:25] imbrandon: and if you could e-mail fridge-devel with the next meeting that would be great too [12:25] Riddell: sure [12:25] really, its the little simplifications, etc i like [12:25] Riddell: i want a purple kubuntu :P [12:25] lol [12:25] zomg !!!!!!111 [12:25] Hobbsee: I had mine that way [12:25] imbrandon: no, that's pink :P [12:26] and PONIES ! [12:26] Hobbsee: bwa !!!!!!!! purple ??? [12:26] yeah, purple! [12:26] oh, and i wanted to say thanks for the minutes of last meeting. they look totally cool! [12:26] well this is getting silly now [12:26] hehe [12:26] remember to review the specs https://launchpad.net/people/jr/+specs [12:26] Hobbsee: mess with your monitor settings and your should be able to turn the blue to purple fairly easely [12:26] Riddell: i'm in the meeting, do you expect it to be anything else? [12:26] Hobbsee: go to university and don't be late! [12:26] night all [12:26] Riddell: hehe! sure i will :P [12:26] nite === imbrandon suspecs she is already late [12:26] bye [12:26] night all === Hobbsee thinks she'll actually be on time todya [12:26] nite all [12:27] imbrandon: it starts in an hour and a half [12:27] and its 2 hours away? [12:27] hehehe [12:27] no...25min away... [12:27] time for coffee then [12:27] bleck, i dont drink coffee. === toma [n=toma@ip20.inbel.kovoks.nl] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Ooh,] [12:30] Riddell: who are Ellen and Tania ? 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[02:06] hehe [02:06] I LOVE IT [02:08] @schedule washington [02:09] @schedule est [02:09] Schedule for EST: 07 Jun 08:30: Xubuntu | 07 Jun 15:00: Edubuntu | 08 Jun 03:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 14 Jun 07:00: Edubuntu | 14 Jun 08:30: Xubuntu | 15 Jun 09:00: Ubuntu Development Team [02:13] @schedule est [02:13] Schedule for EST: 07 Jun 08:30: Xubuntu | 07 Jun 15:00: Edubuntu | 08 Jun 03:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 14 Jun 07:00: Edubuntu | 14 Jun 08:30: Xubuntu | 15 Jun 09:00: Ubuntu Development Team === highvoltage [n=jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === seanh [i=seanh@otaku.freeshell.ORG] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Huahua [n=hua_@222.50.182.121] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === lamont [n=lamont@mib.fc.hp.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === dholbach_ [n=daniel@i577B308E.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === ..[topic/#ubuntu-meeting:Ubugtu] : Current meeting: Xubuntu | Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 07 Jun 20:00 UTC: Edubuntu | 08 Jun 08:00 UTC: Ubuntu Development Team | 14 Jun 12:00 UTC: Edubuntu | 14 Jun 13:30 UTC: Xubuntu | 15 Jun 14:00 UTC: Ubuntu Development Team === strapal [n=strapal@caracas-1227.adsl.interware.hu] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === janimo [n=jani@Home03207.cluj.astral.ro] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === EmxBA [n=chatzill@208.51.23.195] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [03:25] hi [03:26] so current meeting is Xubuntu right [03:26] according to the fridge, yes [03:26] EmxBA: should start in a few minutes [03:26] ok [03:27] there's no agenda though [03:28] EmxBA: anything in particular that you want to discuss? === crimsun [i=crimsun@pdpc/supporter/silver/crimsun] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [03:28] janimo: not really [03:28] maybe edubuntu [03:28] oh, I know [03:28] i had several problems with espresso [03:29] i suppose you know hat it is :P [03:29] *what [03:29] yes, for bug reports LP is the way to go, not the meeting though :) [03:30] ok [03:30] nomed: ping [03:30] EmxBA - I just recently installed xubuntu and am interested, about how many people are there working on it? [03:31] it looks good [03:31] i tried xfce 4 on slackware [03:31] looks bad [03:31] it is better on xubuntu [03:31] really [03:33] crimsun: hi, we have no agenda for the meeting so if there's anything you want to talk about please do [03:33] same for others [03:33] janimo: (ok) [03:33] I haven't got around to make edgy specs from any of the wiki ideas yet [03:36] ok, just finished reading XubuntuEdgyIdeas === highvoltage pops in [03:37] crimsun, feel free to edit that page if you have things to add [03:37] highvoltage: hi [03:37] i have a new Xubuntu website ready off-line, which i think looks great, and will be easier to update than our static page atm. [03:37] highvoltage: good news :) [03:37] Znarl has just set up the database, and will be sending me the password today. [03:38] highvoltage: when you get a chance can you describe what are the exact logout actions which should be allowed in a thin client? [03:38] not sure if we're following any sort of order for "Important Features", but the one that certainly interests me is the multimedia situation. The thread on the mailing list seems to have decent suggestions. I suspect we'll want to replace xfmedia pretty soon/early in Edgy? [03:38] comment on the LP bug you opened preferably [03:38] crimsun: I agree, we can go gxine shortly after edgy opens [03:39] or whatever yuo think fits better [03:39] ok [03:39] I think gxine is a good initial replacement, but many people want to see a GSt-based one in Edgy, it seems [03:39] my two cents: I haven't seen this mailing list thread, but the most common command I've typed since installing xubuntu is "killall xfmedia" [03:39] crimsun: but are there any besides totem? [03:39] i assume no [03:39] good ones, like xine based one [03:40] seanh: yeah, it's hanging too often [03:40] gxine is great. [03:40] I don't know of one off the top of my head that will do both audio and video like Totem [03:40] Have you considered having a music player and a video player seperately? [03:40] crimsun: totem depends on gnome libs though as seen in the thread [03:41] janimo: right, problematic [03:41] seanh: sure [03:41] i've seen beep-media-player pop up in some old threads and wiki pages. is there a reason that won't work for xubuntu? [03:41] highvoltage: that is discontinued by upstream [03:41] they were working on xmms3 last time I read [03:42] where can ubuntu-lite be downloaded [03:42] right, and upstream hopes to have 0.20, the next version, of BMPx available for Edgy [03:42] EmxBA: ubuntulite.org I presume [03:42] no [03:42] Curently no download links are avalible [03:42] ah [03:43] BMPx is a completely rewritten app based on GSt. It's library-based similar many of the newer audio apps. It should play video, too, but I haven't tried with the latest stable, 0.14.x [03:43] crimsun: sounds good [03:43] just installed gxine, immediate comments: It needs a splash screen to launch, there is a button on the main interface to change the audio channel [03:45] it seems to have some adult channels installed by default, I'm not even sure what they are, internet radio or tv it seems, the UI is quite bad in my opinion [03:45] seanh: Darren Salt's quite responsive to gxine bug reports, so many of those things could be addressed [03:46] Right, you'd really want to overhaul the UI from the looks of it, there's a lot of strange technical details exposed [03:47] crimsun: did the BMPx devs specifically mention edgy or their schedule just coincides with edgy's ? [03:47] I do want to point out some additional shortcomings of gxine, the most important of which is the fact that it's based on xine-lib. From a technical perspective, being xine-lib-based introduces a problem of forcing a user to restart the application whenever a new sound card is chosen. [03:48] janimo: they're not tying BMPx 0.20 to Edgy, but last I chatted with the devs, they hope to have it in time for Edgy [03:48] i.e., no rigorous committment [03:48] crimsun: the sound-card switch thing is a corner case though no? especially in xubuntu targetted machines [03:49] crimsun: do you know anything about how xinelibs and gst (not any players based on them) compare wrt memory requirements? [03:49] janimo: depends whether one considers having multiple sound devices a corner case nowadays :) but yes, I do see your point. [03:49] janimo: I haven't done specific evalution [03:50] the major disadvantage to xine I see is that since both gnome and kde move over to it, we'd be havoing it in main only for us, and carry it along [03:50] I think kubuntu 6.06 still has xine right? [03:50] janimo: yes [03:51] right, the fact that both gnome 2.12 and kde 4 (will) have migrated to GSt is a strong reason to choose a GSt-based player [03:51] kde 4 isn't migrating to gstreamer [03:52] it's migrating to whichever backend is best on the day [03:52] but kubuntu :) [03:52] Riddell: what are the choices being considered? [03:52] Riddell: yeah, they thought there are not yet enough layers of from apps to the hw [03:52] crimsun: phonon using xine, NMM, gstreamer, anything else that comes along [03:53] Riddell: hmm, ok, thanks [03:53] layers of abstraction I meant === highvolt1ge [n=jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [03:53] Riddell: For generic media purposes - presumably gstreamer will end up used for more complex cases? [03:54] mjg59: depends on the choice of the application author [03:54] but using gstreamer directly in KDE would be frowned upon for binary compatibility reasons [03:56] For Xubuntu, seanh's query is pertinent then. Should there be separate audio and video players? [03:56] I'm inclined to shy from introducing that separation [03:56] crimsun: I'm fine with whatever you chose [03:57] I think anything will be an improvement over current status [03:57] gxine plays audio too so we can just have that [03:57] ok, I move that when Edgy opens, we replace xfmedia with gxine but continue to evaluate GSt-based players [03:58] crimsun: agreed [03:58] i'm in late [03:58] hi all [03:58] hi nomed [03:58] crimsun: I assume we ant to keep all the deps of gxine and bring them in main, however crazy :) [03:59] I believe Gauvain tried compiling gtk-only totem and had difficulties [03:59] janimo: hmm, yes, for now [03:59] 'lo nomed [03:59] crimsun: yes, g-vfs deps [04:00] nomed: we have been discussing multimedia status for now. Any topic you want to discuss? Agenda is empty [04:00] janimo, ex.. [04:01] i'm moderating the xubuntu board of the ubuntu-it forum [04:01] what i've seen there is: [04:01] 1) users have problems with "edit menu" [04:01] MANY [04:01] Riddell: do you know if there are specific apps which may become common (module GUI) for edgy? [04:01] they will not check in launchpad [04:01] NEVER [04:01] if there are known bug [04:01] Riddell: kde/gnome apps I mean [04:02] nomed: yeah, that menu-editor one is pretty annoying [04:02] like language-support is now [04:02] 2) xfmedia doesn't work [04:02] crimsun, nomed I agree I'll have to take a look at it these days === strapal [n=strapal@caracas-1227.adsl.interware.hu] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] === strapal [n=strapal@caracas-1227.adsl.interware.hu] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [04:02] users that used xubuntu on old machines .. [04:03] were thinking it was too slow [04:03] because of xfmedia .. [04:03] nomed: as a workaround these and other issues may need to be prominently advertised on the xubuntu-it site [04:03] ex while playing audio cds [04:03] janimo: network-manager [04:03] since it is quite normal people wont' check LP [04:03] janimo: beagle maybe? [04:03] janimo, done ... [04:03] Riddell: that already is backend+frontend no? Or does kde use something else now? [04:04] janimo: back/frontend are separated, we have knetworkmanager [04:04] Riddell: how about the gnome-power-manager? Does kde have something like that? [04:04] but they do not check if the topic is a "stiky" [04:04] janimo: kde has the unmaintained klaptopdaemon and the suse maintained kpowersave [04:04] then ... [04:05] they expect that thunar can have: [04:05] 1) ssh as gnome vfs [04:05] 2) they want to use samba+file manager [04:05] janimo: kde may also get compiz support for edgy, possibly, maybe [04:06] Riddell: update-manager/notifier? [04:06] nomed: thunar doesn't currently have support for smb, does it? [04:06] crimsun: it does not [04:06] crimsun, it doesn't [04:06] right [04:06] janimo: we have adept for both [04:06] Riddell: yeah, I mean is a unification with the gnome ones planned ? [04:07] the lang switcher doesn't work .. [04:07] nomed: the keyboard switcher? [04:07] or the language selector? [04:07] we may thing to use ubiquity code for that [04:07] janimo, kayboard switcher [04:07] janimo: no, although the language selector has a qt version and gdebi and dist-upgrader may gain kde ports [04:07] nomed, hmm does not work or cannot add new layouts from the GUI? [04:08] janimo, no langs available [04:08] ubiquity gas a big list ... [04:08] and it's possible to select all of them from its frontend [04:08] nomed, yes need to edit xorg.conf. Sad but Gauvain and I got too late into the xkb plugin to make it ready for dapper [04:09] nomed: it will be done for edgy definitely [04:09] janimo, nice :) [04:09] i'm just listing all the feedbacks i got .. [04:09] nomed: thanks [04:10] that i think could be xubuntu edgy stuff [04:10] the menueditor at least should be dapper-updates stuff as well [04:10] yeah, that should be highest priority imo [04:10] janimo, it has to .. [04:11] what i'd add is: [04:11] 1) desktop search tool [04:11] 2) galago + mail client [04:12] 3) notification daemon === Bluekuja [n=andrea@ubuntu/member/bluekuja] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [04:12] i've been testing sylpheed .. [04:12] but it needs to improve [04:13] from the gui to the usability [04:13] if we want to use it .. [04:13] we have to contact upstreamers i guess [04:13] we were discussing balsa for edubuntu recently [04:13] or just continue using t-bird [04:13] ogra, that's something i should test [04:14] janimo, thunaderbird is not that good for old machines [04:14] ogra, what's wrong woth t-bird (as it's in main already) [04:14] if it'll be possible to use [04:14] nomed, I know, but sylpheed has too many quirks [04:14] *saemonkey* [04:14] janimo, tb has tb langpacks [04:14] and mail clients are not that important imho [04:14] we'll have all there [04:14] janimo, i do not think so .. [04:15] :) [04:15] but seamonkey has even heftier system requirements last time I evaluated it [04:15] janimo, if i look at new stuff for edubuntu, my main concern is to reduce CD size [04:15] but we have different ideas here :) [04:15] ogra, I know. t-bird was about 8Meg smaller than evo right? [04:15] ogra, seamonkey has browser+mail client [04:15] ogra, the best way for you to get that would be to work on dpkg-7zip :) [04:15] janimo, including all the langpacks you need on the CD i very much doubt it [04:15] and it's really faster then firefox .. [04:16] ogra, w/o langpacks, true [04:16] i dunno how it's doable to include it in main [04:16] nomed, seamonlye (mozilla) was just dropped to universe, so I don;t know if it would come back === licio [n=licio@ubuntu/member/licio] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [04:16] janimo, balsa translations would only grow the gnome langpack in a minimal way and balsa itself is 2.5M [04:16] ohh .. [04:16] new ffox/tbird should build on the new seamonkey code and be faster as well [04:16] in theory [04:17] janimo, that would be ideal [04:20] how much interaction is planned with UbuntuLite? [04:21] crimsun: I hope they will be interested [04:21] I'd like to get icewm and/or fluxbox on the CD [04:22] but I doubt I'll be able to handle upstream interaction/packaging whatever else by myself [04:22] icewm has better "feedesktop standard" support [04:22] so I hope either ubuntu lite or existing MOTUs show interest [04:22]