[12:11] <jabra> can someone help me with packaging a perl module
[12:13] <shawarma> Can someone point me to the example .dputrc that used to be somewhere on REVU?
[12:13] <shawarma> or just throw it my way in a /msg ?
[12:15] <shawarma> Never mind. Found it
[12:32] <jabra> can someone help me with packaging a perl module
[01:02] <zul> hey
[01:09] <shawarma> Can anyone give me a crash course in lintian overrides?
[01:36] <ajmitch> morning all
[01:44] <Laser_away> hi ajmitch
[02:30] <thierryn> is there an update in security repository about  http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/18290 ?
[02:31] <thierryn> I just discovered someone sent an email in my account from my account with the link inside...
[02:57] <DarkMageZ> any news about the edgy eft repo?, i can
[02:57] <DarkMageZ> can't wait to get a testbox back on the bleeding edge :)
[03:05] <ryanakca> hmmm... I just made an updated package of bzflag, and I'm wondering wether I set the package maintainer to Tim Riker, or to me... btw, this IS just a trial/practice package :)
[03:06] <ryanakca> I made the package... yet make debian-cvs default = tim riker... if you get what I mean... I didn't make the source... just package it :)
[03:06] <Laser_away> keep the maintianer the same
[03:09] <ryanakca> Laser_away: kk, ty
[03:11] <ryanakca> Laser_away: kk, and if the package works, even though it probably wont... is there a way of sharing it, to see if it works on anybody else's box?
[03:11] <Laser_away> ryanakca: yes, REVU. wiki.ubuntu.com/REVU
[03:11] <Laser_away> or if there is a bug report you can attach a debdiff
[03:12] <ryanakca> Laser_away: again, ty :)
[03:12] <Laser_away> np
[03:25] <bddebian> Heya gang
[03:25] <Laser_away> hi bddebian
[03:25] <ajmitch> hi bddebian
[03:25] <bddebian> Hi LaserJock
[03:25] <bddebian> Heya ajmitch
[03:25] <ajmitch> LaserJock: ah, finally not away? ;)
[03:26] <LaserJock> well, I kinda gave up
[03:26] <bddebian> Heh
[03:26] <LaserJock> I was going to work, and then my experiment didn't work out so well
[03:26] <bddebian> Kaboom? :-)
[03:26] <LaserJock> not exactly
[03:27] <LaserJock> but the Environmental Health & Safety  inspection guys were in today :(
[03:27] <ajmitch> nasty
[03:27] <bddebian> Joy
[03:27] <LaserJock> and we get an EPA inspection next week
[03:27] <LaserJock> so I have to be on my best behavior
[03:27] <ajmitch> or not show up to work
[03:27] <LaserJock> and clean up all the unmarked chemical waste ;-)
[03:28] <ajmitch> show them into another lab :)
[03:28] <LaserJock> I'm the senior grad student (although the youngest) so I have to be there
[03:28] <ajmitch> darn
[03:28] <LaserJock> plus I'm the Laser Safety Officer for the lab so ...
[03:29] <LaserJock> but the guys that do the laser safety inspections know absolutely nothing about lasers :(
[03:29] <ajmitch> you need a safety officer?
[03:29] <LaserJock> yeah
[03:30] <ajmitch> how powerful are those lasers?
[03:30] <LaserJock> well, there is Class 1 to Class 4
[03:30] <LaserJock> we have Class 4
[03:30] <LaserJock> but considering laser pointers are usually Class 3 that doesn't say a whole lot
[03:30] <ajmitch> heh
[03:31] <LaserJock> you can easily blow the retina off the back of your eye if you get a direct hit
[03:31] <tseng> a cdrw is pretty high powered
[03:31] <LaserJock> yeah
[03:31] <ajmitch> right
[03:31] <LaserJock> but the biggest danger is the high voltage
[03:31] <LaserJock> the power supply has 50,000 volt capacitors
[03:32] <zul> heh laser fights in the hallway...lasertag
[03:33] <tseng> lasertag doesnt even use lasers
[03:33] <bddebian> Heya tseng
[03:33] <tseng> hi
[03:33] <bddebian> zul: Happy now? :-)
[03:33] <zul> yes very :)
[03:33] <LaserJock> but we keep fighting with the campus laser safety officer about laser goggles
[03:34] <zul> if you need my help just ask
[03:34] <LaserJock> they don't understand that if you have googles that block the laser beam from nailing your eyes, that also means you can't see where the darn thing is going
[03:35] <ajmitch> heh
[03:36] <LaserJock> I was explaining that today to one of the Uni's top EH&S guys, and he stares at me for a minute and says,"yeah, that might be a problem" :-)
[03:44] <bddebian> FSck, I don't even know what to work on right now..
[03:45] <ryanakca> is this a valid debian/changelog file? http://pastebin.com/764239 (well... it's a snippet)
[03:45] <ajmitch> bddebian: hack on main
[03:45] <bddebian> Why
[03:45] <ajmitch> because you were told to
[03:45] <ajmitch> so do it
[03:46] <bddebian> I was told to?
[03:46] <ajmitch> yes
[03:46] <Toadstool> ryanakca: er, "see ChangeLog" is not the right thing to do imho...
[03:46] <bddebian> ryanakca: Looks fine, though I would say "New upstream release"
[03:46] <bddebian> ajmitch: By whom?
[03:47] <ajmitch> mdz
[03:47] <ajmitch> and me
[03:47] <ajmitch> get to work!
[03:47] <bddebian> Doing what?
[03:47] <ryanakca> Toadstool: 2.0.4 changelog: http://pastebin.com/764244
[03:47] <Toadstool> bddebian: you can hack main, rock on :)
[03:47] <ajmitch> bddebian: hacking main, get moving
[03:48] <ajmitch> you said you wanted to fix X
[03:48] <bddebian> ajmitch: You have zul for that
[03:48] <bddebian> ajmitch: Fabbione didn't want my help
[03:49] <Toadstool> 'night everybody
[03:49] <ajmitch> no, fabbione didn't want someone just coming along & expecting to fix things
[03:49] <bddebian> GNight Toadstool
[03:49] <ToadZzZztool> cya bddebian ;)
[03:49] <ajmitch> zakame spent a week or more just getting stuck into the bug list & finding his way around
[03:50] <bddebian> I live on the bug list what's your point?
[03:51] <ajmitch> I didn't say finding his way around malone
[03:51] <bddebian> Apparently I should just be packaging new BS packages :-)
[03:51] <ajmitch> but getting stuck into the code
[04:00] <bddebian> Frickin' Hurd
[04:01] <LaserJock> hehe, I used to say something similar to the sheep
[04:01] <LaserJock> when I was going up
[04:02] <bddebian> ??
[04:03] <LaserJock> Hurd -> Herd ;-)
[04:03] <LaserJock> whatever
[04:14] <bddebian> :-)
[04:19] <bddebian> How do packages get removed from REVU?
[04:20] <LaserJock> you ask REVU admin to do it
[04:20] <ajmitch> someone asks a revu admin
[04:20] <bddebian> Can someone remove qt-x11-free then? :-)
[04:20] <ajmitch> and you slip a REVU admin some cash
[04:21] <bddebian> And why does keytouch say no comments/advocates but there is a boatload of comments?
[04:21] <ajmitch> qt-x11-free is in the archived section on REVU
[04:21] <ajmitch> why do you want someone elses upload removed now?
[04:22] <bddebian> Ah, so archived section means it's uploaded?
[04:22] <ajmitch> because the number of comments is against the most recent upload
[04:22] <ajmitch> yes, archived means uploaded or no longer relevant for reviewing
[04:24] <bddebian> Ah, OK, NM then :-)
[04:25] <bluefoxicy> heh
[04:25] <bluefoxicy> Add/Remove applications lets me hide commercial andu niverse
[04:25] <bluefoxicy> but it doesn't do the equally important task of hiding KDE, GNOME, XFCE, Qt, or GTK+ apps.
[04:26] <bluefoxicy> on a gnome desktop I shy away from XFCE suite programs, and definitely don't want KDE apps that install the base environment for KDE
[04:26] <bluefoxicy> what do you get like a third or a half of the KDE desktop?
[04:27] <bluefoxicy> The Xubuntu guys don't want parts of gnome in Xubuntu, they're still trying to buff all of that out of the distribution entirely
[04:27] <bluefoxicy> I should probably go bug on that.
[04:29] <FunnyLookinHat> bluefoxicy, throw it into a suggestion for edgy i suppose
[04:33] <bluefoxicy> yeah
[06:44] <Hobbsee> hi all
[06:48] <Sp4rKy> hi MOTUs
[06:49] <Hobbsee> hey Sp4rKy
[06:49] <Sp4rKy> just a little question before go to work :)
[06:50] <Sp4rKy> how must i do when the "/usr/local/*" path is wrote diresctly in the Makefile and couldn't be switched by any option
[06:50] <Sp4rKy> do i use mysoftware.install file ?
[06:51] <Hobbsee> er...hmmm...
[06:52] <Sp4rKy> :/
[06:52] <Sp4rKy> i think it's that , because we mustn't modify the Makefile :/
[06:56] <Hobbsee> unless you can set it in debian/rules somehow...
[06:57] <Sp4rKy> i think the only way with debian/rules file is using dh_install
[07:02] <Sp4rKy> so i'll back later (i'm late for work :)
[07:15] <ajmitch> alright
[07:18] <Hobbsee> hey ajmitch
[07:19] <ajmitch> fairly likely
[07:19] <TheMuso> c
[07:19] <ajmitch> yes, and it's going down for that update in a few minutes
[07:20] <ajmitch> more soyuz fixes & the like
[07:20] <hub> with debian resync
[07:20] <hub> or not yet?
[07:20] <ajmitch> I don't know
[07:20] <ajmitch> we'll find out
[07:21] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: you have no faith in our launchpad developers
[07:21] <Hobbsee> guess it didnt wokr :P
[07:21] <Hobbsee> heh
[07:22] <ajmitch> there are some in sydney, too...
[07:22] <Hobbsee> oh dear...so they could come find me?
[07:22] <ajmitch> yes
[07:22] <Hobbsee> no they couldnt...they'd need my address.
[07:22] <hub> if the men in black knock at the door it is them
[07:22] <Hobbsee> hehe
[07:22] <ajmitch> they don't need to
[07:23] <ajmitch> they're launchpad developers
[07:23] <hub> Hobbsee: no need. they'll traceroute the IPs
[07:23] <Hobbsee> bah.  bed seems a world away...
[07:24] <hub> Hobbsee: depends of were in the world. summer is coming here too
[07:24] <Hobbsee> true
[07:27] <ajmitch> because you have offended launchpad, sabdfl will fly over to australia to take care of things
[07:27] <Hobbsee> hehe
[07:28] <ajmitch> hiding will not help
[07:28] <Hobbsee> sure it will!
[07:28] <Hobbsee> hiding *always* helps!
[07:28] <ajmitch> nope
[07:29] <Hobbsee> :(
[07:29] <Hobbsee> do i have any other alternatives?
[07:30] <ajmitch> yes
[07:30] <Hobbsee> what are they?
[07:30] <ajmitch> sincerely apologise
[07:32] <Hobbsee> oh.
[07:32] <Hobbsee> hmmm....
[07:32] <ajmitch> I recall that the toolchain needs to be setup for edgy before any other packages will be built
[07:32] <Hobbsee> ah okay
[07:32] <ajmitch> please don't
[07:33] <Hobbsee> sorry...
[07:33] <Hobbsee> i was joking, really
[07:33] <ajmitch> this stuff is very important stuff
[07:33] <Hobbsee> go for it
[07:33] <ajmitch> having someone steal it on irc is rather inconvenient
[07:34] <Hobbsee> hehe
[07:35] <ajmitch> hi Yagisan
[07:35] <Yagisan> G'day ajmitch
[07:36] <Hobbsee> hey Yagisan
[07:36] <Yagisan> Hi Hobbsee
[07:37] <Yagisan> ajmitch: found out today why my plone site is so slow
[07:38] <ajmitch> why is that?
[07:38] <ajmitch> RAM issues?
[07:38] <Yagisan> ajmitch: evidently apache wasn't caching it, even though I though I set that up.
[07:38] <ajmitch> ah
[07:39] <ajmitch> this is annoying
[07:39] <ajmitch> I have to try & remember my windows password
[07:39] <Yagisan> ajmitch: heh. what version ?
[07:39] <ajmitch> 2k3
[07:40] <Yagisan> ajmitch: we have tools in multiverse to "fix" that. chntpasswd or similar
[07:40] <ajmitch> yes
[07:40] <ajmitch> but it shouldn't be needed
[07:40] <ajmitch> since I'm sure I've got the password that it uses
[07:41] <ajmitch> however I have been playing with active directory
[07:41] <ajmitch> wouldn't surprise me if it were breaking
[07:41] <ajmitch> hm yes
[07:41] <Yagisan> ah. quite likely.
[07:42] <ajmitch> especially as it still works with cygwin sshd
[07:42] <ajmitch> but not logging into the desktop
[07:42] <ajmitch> there we go
[07:44] <Yagisan> heh. I found an amusing song
[07:46] <ajmitch> hm, luma looks like a moderately useful tool
[07:46] <Hobbsee> Yagisan: the llama song, by any chance?
[07:47] <Yagisan> Hobbsee: ah, I believe it is called "Which Backstreet Boy is gay ?"
[07:47] <Hobbsee> oh
[07:48] <ajmitch> .*
[07:49] <Yagisan> Hobbsee: it's to the tune of one of their songs. Also means I set amule up correctly O:-)
[07:49] <Hobbsee> oh ok
[07:50] <Yagisan> Hobbsee: I have a twisted sense of humor
[07:50] <ajmitch> yes, you do
[07:50] <ajmitch> australians...
[07:50] <Hobbsee> so do i, dont worry.  people are convinced i'm a pyromaniac, for some reason.
[07:50] <Laser_away> light anything on fire lately Hobbsee?
[07:50] <Yagisan> ajmitch careful, or we'll try to ebay your country again
[07:50] <Hobbsee> Laser_away: er...i'd have to think about that...
[07:51] <Hobbsee> Yagisan: hehe!
[07:51] <Yagisan> ;)
[07:51] <ajmitch> Yagisan: it's a shame, we can't even pay people to tow australia away :)
[07:51] <Laser_away> lol
[07:51] <Hobbsee> mainly cos you lot dont have the money to do it ;P
[07:51] <Hobbsee> or the resources
[07:51] <Hobbsee> crud, scratch that.
[07:51] <ajmitch> heh
[07:51] <Hobbsee> hobbsee:  think *before* you type!
[07:52] <ajmitch> it's so much more amusing if you think afterwards
[07:52] <ajmitch> it gives us hours of fun
[07:52] <Hobbsee> Laser_away: i dont think so, but there was a fire drill yesterday at my uni...
[07:52] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: hehe.  sure.
[07:54] <Yagisan> ajmitch: of course you can't pay people to tow australia away. all the employed kiwis at at bondi ;)
[07:55] <Hobbsee> hehe.  i dont feel so bad now :P
[07:56] <ajmitch> heh
[07:56] <ajmitch> goody, looks like I have an LDAP schema setup
[07:56] <ajmitch> I just need to populate it
[07:57] <Yagisan> actually, there may be some kiwis near me. The pub is flying a kiwi flag
[07:57] <ajmitch> of course there are kiwis near you
[07:57] <ajmitch> I come from a town of ~4000 people
[07:57] <Yagisan> ajmitch: doubt it. I'd spot anyone that speaks english near my place
[07:58] <ajmitch> I walk into a shop in brisbane, talking to the person behind the counter about linux
[07:58] <ajmitch> and it turns out her parents are from the town I'm from
[07:58] <ajmitch> sigh
[07:58] <ajmitch> can't get away from them
[07:58] <Hobbsee> haha
[07:58] <Yagisan> ajmitch: centrelink isn't a shop :-P
[07:59] <ajmitch> :P
[08:00] <ajmitch> http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/archives/014045.html
[08:00] <ajmitch> yay for politics
[08:01] <Hobbsee> icky, politics.
[08:01] <Hobbsee> guess i have to vote at the next election, too...that'll suck!
[08:06] <Yagisan> Hobbsee: why ? free bbq, free toilet paper err promotional material. Chance to see your vote really doesn't matter because the bigger dickhead will win anyway.
[08:07] <Hobbsee> Yagisan: that is true..i just really couldnt be bothered going down and doing it...
[08:08] <Yagisan> Hobbsee: I took my wife down one day to see how it worked. The best bit - the bbq
[08:08] <Hobbsee> hehe
[08:09] <Hobbsee> parents used to drag me down to teh local school with them - we just climbed over bits of the buildings
[08:10] <Yagisan> Hobbsee: besides, not attending is like all the people in the US that didn't feel like voting - a defacto vote for shrub and friends
[08:11] <Hobbsee> true
[08:11] <Yagisan> Hobbsee: I'd rather vote uni fees down, then up - but that's just me.
[08:11] <Hobbsee> i think we're in a stable area anyway - so it doesnt really matter what a few people vote...
[08:12] <ajmitch> and the rest of us here are slaving away over ubuntu
[08:12] <ajmitch> and you discuss politics!
[08:12] <Yagisan> Hobbsee: no, just is it worth voting, and is the bbq worth it
[08:12] <Hobbsee> hush you!  :P
[08:12] <Hobbsee> Yagisan: i dont recall us getting bbq's - but i think we usually go down later...
[08:12] <Yagisan> ajmitch: hurry up with my updates. *cracks whip*
[08:12] <ajmitch> Yagisan: you wait
[08:13] <Yagisan> ajmitch: quiet slave *cracks whip harder* :-P
[08:13] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: "otherwise we'll have to taunt you a second time"  :P
[08:13] <crimsun> dang, ajmitch is fighting a one-man battle
[08:14] <Hobbsee> hey crimsun
[08:14] <crimsun> hullo
[08:14] <ajmitch> crimsun: yes, all the cheap seats are filled with hecklers tonight
[08:14] <crimsun> =] 
[08:15] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: dont worry.  we'll get you worse when you're actually here :P
[08:51] <dholbach> good morning MOTU world!
[08:52] <Hobbsee> hey dholbach
[08:55] <dholbach> heya Hobbsee!
[08:56] <Hobbsee> :)
[10:26] <siretart> hi folks
[10:26] <siretart> ajmitch: you got Network Authentication approved for SoC?
[10:26] <pygi> siretart, yup, he did
[10:28] <siretart> cool! congrats to ajmitch! :)
[10:29] <ajmitch> oh yes
[10:29] <ajmitch> thanks :)
[10:29] <ajmitch> siretart: so now you can give me tips & a wishlist ;)
[10:30] <siretart> ajmitch: oooh, you are accepting wishlists? *evilgrin*
[10:31] <ajmitch> one must accomodate users where possible
[10:38] <siretart> hehe
[10:39] <siretart> ajmitch: are you thinking about a 'simple' single signon kerberos based system?
[10:40] <ajmitch> yes
[10:42] <siretart> cool :)
[11:28] <shawarma> I have a package that's not showing up in REVU. My e-mail is either sh@warma.dk or sh@linux2go.dk and the package is network-manager-pptp
[11:28] <ajmitch> did you upload a source-only package?
[11:29] <shawarma> Yup
[11:29] <ajmitch> do you have the output of dput?
[11:29] <ajmitch> since it's not in incoming or rejected on tiber
[11:30] <shawarma> http://pastebin.com/764750
[11:30] <ajmitch> "Upload package to host ubuntu"
[11:31] <shawarma> Yeah, I have no idea why it says that. I'll just toss my .dputrc in there as well.
[11:31] <ajmitch> and your /etc/dput.cf or ~/.dput.cf?
[11:31] <ajmitch> I hope you have .dput.cf, not .dputrc :)
[11:31] <shawarma> oh....
[11:31] <shawarma> :-H
[11:31] <shawarma> Whoops.
[11:31] <shawarma> that's probably it, then. :-D
[11:31] <ajmitch> it probably went to launchpad
[11:32] <ajmitch> since /etc/dput.cf defaults to upload.ubuntu.com
[11:32] <shawarma> *G* Oh, well..
[11:32] <ajmitch> it's all frozen now, so shouldn't be any harm in it :)
[11:32] <ajmitch> was distro set to edgy?
[11:33] <shawarma> Yes
[11:33] <shawarma> Does http://pastebin.com/764751 look right? Because now I'm getting errors from dput.
[11:33] <ajmitch> heh, hopefully it doesn't get shoved into a queue there :)
[11:34] <ajmitch> try DEFAULT rather than default
[11:35] <shawarma> Great. That was it.
[11:35] <shawarma> I'll just fix it on the wiki.
[11:35] <ajmitch> thanks
[11:35] <shawarma> Hmm... No, it looks right on the wiki...
[11:35] <ajmitch> heh
[11:37] <shawarma> "Upload package to host revu
[11:37] <shawarma> Much better. Thanks!
[11:37] <ajmitch> I see it uploading now
[11:37] <ajmitch> it should be processed in a couple of minutes
[11:38] <shawarma> Cool.
[11:38] <ajmitch> excellent, now I can't login to my box
[11:39] <ajmitch> (in vmware)
[12:05] <cbx33> hi guys
[12:05] <cbx33> after some packaging help
[12:06] <cbx33> I'm new to packaging
[12:06] <cbx33> I wanted to ask
[12:06] <cbx33> when using deb helper
[12:06] <cbx33> in the rules file
[12:06] <cbx33> if I had a package.install file
[12:07] <cbx33> to tell it where to install files
[12:07] <cbx33> what would i need to put in the rules file for that to be executed?
[12:07] <cbx33> dh_install?
[12:07] <ajmitch> yes
[12:07] <cbx33> wuld package, have to match exactly the name of the package?
[12:07] <cbx33> or will it install all .install pacakges?
[12:10] <ajmitch> for each package in debian/control it will do the appropriate package.install
[12:10] <ajmitch> depending on dh_install arguments, etc
[12:10] <cbx33> yes i see
[12:10] <ajmitch> the manpage can explain better than I can at the moment :)
[12:10] <cbx33> the same for dirs
[12:10] <cbx33> ok thanks ajmitch
[12:12] <cbx33> one last thing quicky, if you have multiple packages in the control file, is that how it'll create multiple source packages from the same source tarball?
[12:13] <azeem> multiple source packages?
[12:13] <ajmitch> hi azeem, \sh
[12:14] <Yagisan> cbx33: you'll get multiple binary packages & one source package
[12:14] <\sh> moins
[12:14] <azeem> heya
[12:14] <\sh> cbx33: there is no such thing as multiple source packages...it's one debian src package and multiple binary packages
[12:16] <ajmitch> yay, a different error message
[12:16] <ajmitch> making progress here ;)
[12:21] <ajmitch> finding how important DNS is to kerberos...
[12:27] <Mithrandir> "quite". :-)
[12:28] <cbx33> ok, sorry i meant binary
[12:28] <cbx33> ajmitch: indeed
[12:29] <ajmitch> Mithrandir: yes, I was a little slack with DNS for my vmware setups :)
[12:30] <cbx33> ahhhh vmware
[12:33] <ajmitch> hey jsgotangco, what's new?
[12:33] <jsgotangco> well...
[12:48] <zul> hey
[12:57] <kelmo> siretart: gday
[12:58] <siretart> huhu kelmo
[12:58] <siretart> how are you?
[12:59] <kelmo> i am ok, could be happier with some things, but thats a long story . . .
[12:59] <kelmo> and you?
[12:59] <ajmitch> hi kelmo
[12:59] <kelmo> gday ajmitch
[01:00] <havoc> morning
[01:01] <kelmo> siretart: i have prepared a small patch against the ubuntu wpasupplicant package, if you would like to discuss/test/consider it as patch for a bugfix update
[01:01] <kelmo> siretart: http://rafb.net/paste/results/7vEFTc86.html
[01:02] <sivang> hey guys
[01:04] <pygi> hey siretart ;)
[01:04] <kelmo> siretart: i realise you are probably working, so please ping me via email with questions concerning that (i will be leaving shortly)
[02:08] <havoc> ajmitch: morning
[02:08] <jsgotangco> oh no
[02:08] <Hobbsee> hey all
[02:08] <jsgotangco> they might be preparing for "go back to space" brochures by now
[02:08] <jsgotangco> we're doomed
[02:09] <ajmitch> heh
[02:10] <Toadstool> hi everybody
[02:11] <Hobbsee> hey Toadstool
[02:11] <Toadstool> hi Hobbsee
[02:12] <Lathiat> ajmitch: i got a dsl upgrade :)
[02:12] <Lathiat> ajmitch: 1.8M/s ;)
[02:12] <ajmitch> Lathiat: good
[02:12] <ajmitch> I can commence hating you now
[02:12] <Lathiat> 17.5G quota 'l hurt a bit tho
[02:12] <Lathiat> but i gues you get 10..
[02:12] <ajmitch> 20
[02:12] <Lathiat> fortunately the isp has an ubuntu/debian/etc mirror thats free traffic
[02:12] <Lathiat> still
[02:12] <ajmitch> but the 20 is uploads & downloads, no free traffic
[02:12] <Lathiat> uploads too? ouch
[02:13] <Lathiat> no isp here.. well except telstra.. accounts uploads
[02:13] <ajmitch> blame telecom
[02:13] <ajmitch> we all do
[02:13] <hub> that suck
[02:13] <Lathiat> i thought you had 2/128
[02:13] <Lathiat> must've gone up?
[02:13] <ajmitch> I had 2/128
[02:13] <ajmitch> it went up
[02:13] <Lathiat> if i move to modem to the other side of the less dodgy wiring might go up a bit, have to try later when i cbf
[02:13] <Lathiat> (can go to 24/1)
[02:13] <ajmitch> not like you'll see much difference
[02:14] <ajmitch> we may get ADSL2+ within another 2-3 years
[02:14] <Lathiat> well telstra doesnt do adsl2+ here
[02:14] <Lathiat> have to go a third party isp whos goit their own dslams
[02:14] <Lathiat> of which there are 2
[02:14] <Lathiat> 1 of which has one in my exchange
[02:14] <Lathiat> its been pretty recent tho, like, last 6months o rso
[02:14] <Lathiat> telstra i dont think will for a long time
[02:15] <Lathiat> iiborg bought ihug over there
[02:15] <Lathiat> they might roll out dslams there?
[02:15] <ajmitch> Lathiat: yeah, they promised to invest $20m if LLU went through
[02:15] <ajmitch> and we got LLU.. so we'll see what arrangements happen
[02:15] <Lathiat> unbundled local loop?
[02:16] <ajmitch> yes
[02:16] <ajmitch> *finally* happened
[02:16] <Lathiat> ('ULL' here)
[02:16] <Lathiat> nice
[02:16] <ajmitch> same thing, LLU=local loop unbundling
[02:16] <Lathiat> ah
[02:16] <Hobbsee> kelmo: telstra's evil.  especially when the internet goes down, along with the phone.
[02:17] <Lathiat> that happened to me
[02:17] <Lathiat> they connet my internet yesterday
[02:17] <Lathiat> well thats what they said
[02:17] <Lathiat> in reality, i lose the whole line, no dial tone
[02:17] <Lathiat> they fixed it today
[02:19] <ajmitch> by the time that comes around here, I'll have probably sworn off computers for life
[02:19] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:19] <Hobbsee> wont you get bored then?
[02:19] <ajmitch> no
[02:19] <ajmitch> I'll be sane
[02:20] <Hobbsee> sanity's boring.
[02:20] <DBO> Hobbsee, is there really that much you can download?
[02:20] <DBO> you'll have ever linux distro known to man in the first 48 hours... then what?
[02:20] <Hobbsee> well, no, i'm restricted by my harddrive...but still...
[02:21] <vinboy> u guys from new zealand?
[02:21] <Hobbsee> vinboy: ajmitch is
[02:22] <vinboy> COOL
[02:22] <vinboy> same as me
[02:22] <vinboy> i could guess it when he mentioned the LLU
[02:22] <Hobbsee> the telstra whingers are in australia
[02:22] <vinboy> hahaha
[02:22] <vinboy> close enough
[02:22] <Hobbsee> and i say that, with me being one of them :P
[02:22] <vinboy> Hobbsee: r u a packager?
[02:22] <vinboy> u from aus too?
[02:23] <Hobbsee> yes, i'm an aussie, and i probably count as a packager
[02:23] <vinboy> nice nice
[02:23] <Riddell> I think MOTU is having an antipidean takeover
[02:23] <Hobbsee> Riddell: an antiwhat?
[02:23] <_ion> do al th aus abbrev words?
[02:24] <tseng> I was going to say
[02:24] <ajmitch> _ion: wrds, not words
[02:24] <tseng> "r u a typist?"
[02:24] <tseng> but I thought better of it
[02:24] <Riddell> antipodean
[02:25] <tseng> In Britain, "the Antipodes" is often used to refer to Australia and New Zealand (and "Antipodeans" for their inhabitants), despite the fact that neither Australia nor New Zealand actually overlap the antipodal points of Britain.
[02:25] <Hobbsee> ah, i see..
[02:26] <jsgotangco> interesting
[02:26] <DBO> so who do I beg to get the MythTV in multiverse updates from its current year old release to something released like 6 months ago...
[02:26] <jsgotangco> defenestration lol
[02:27] <jsgotangco> doh
[02:27] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:27] <jsgotangco> sounds like you disco'ed me to death
[02:28] <tseng> Your search - discobunulates - did not match any documents.
[02:28] <tseng> I know discombobulate..?
[02:29] <cbx33> DBO: you got a definition for that mouthful?
[02:30] <DBO> http://dictionary.reference.com/help/faq/language/p/pneumono.html
[02:30] <ogra> DBO, wow, if you add some capital letters and numbers that makes a very safe passwrod
[02:30] <ogra> *password too
[02:30] <DBO> its a perfectly cromulent word cbx33
[02:30] <cbx33> passrod ?
[02:30] <cbx33> :p
[02:30] <cbx33> splendid
[02:30] <zul> ogra: ipfreely1 is a secure password isnt it?
[02:31] <ogra> well, i'd add a capital letter somewhere
[02:31] <DBO> zul, if only for the fact that nobody would want to admit it
[02:31] <tseng> factitious means not real, btw
[02:31] <tseng> oh shit
[02:31] <tseng> it would, with an I
[02:32] <cbx33> tseng: LMAO
[02:32] <tseng> odd to have a dictionary definition say that a word is "facticious"
[02:32] <tseng> its in the dictionary
[02:32] <DBO> tseng, odd indeed
[02:33] <Riddell> DBO: you can make updated packages and get them reviewed
[02:33] <DBO> lemme say something... pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis, you're suspect
[02:33] <tseng> "facticious" and "alledged to mean" don't work well in the same line
[02:33] <DBO> tseng, i think that might be a typo
[02:33] <cbx33> check out tseng and his dictionary :p
[02:34] <tseng> that I would buy
[02:34] <tseng> antidisestablishmentarianism < i always thought this was the biggest word
[02:34] <DBO> Riddell, yeah I tried that once, turns out Im a bad maintainer =P
[02:34] <tseng> and it is real
[02:34] <DBO> tseng, well you never heard of our even bigger factitious word
[02:35] <tseng> but is it factitious or ficticious?
[02:35] <tseng> the world may never know
[02:35] <tseng> 'Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch', a village in Wales
[02:35] <DBO> thats a name
[02:35] <DBO> thats cheating
[02:36] <tseng> http://dictionary.reference.com/help/faq/language/l/longestword.html
[02:36] <DBO> Im going to name my as of yet non-existant child Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch+1 just to spite them
[02:37] <tseng> that word is disturbingly short on vowels
[02:38] <DBO> the welch have never been fond of them
[02:38] <DBO> they graced us english speakers with the word cwm
[02:38] <Riddell> ll is a vowel
[02:40] <DarkMageZ> if a package (an emulator eg, dosbox), has a bug in it that isn't likely to be ever to get fixed upstream, because it already has a workaround which they are happy with, is it ok to reject the bug, solong as i explain why?
[02:43] <DarkMageZ> they = upstream
[02:44] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: login and authenticate?
[02:45] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: yes?
[02:46] <Hobbsee> login and authenticate to what?
[02:46] <ajmitch> ubuntu?
[02:46] <Hobbsee> oh
[02:47] <Hobbsee> ah, fun
[02:47] <ajmitch> don't be silly
[02:48] <ogra> ajmitch, will it be prepared for AD ?
[02:48] <ajmitch> ogra: we'll see
[02:48] <ajmitch> it should be possible
[02:48] <ogra> its a request i get very often for edubuntu, would be cool to at least have the hooks to implement it later
[02:48] <tseng> AD already works fine for login with just libpam-krb5
[02:49] <tseng> i use it here on every server
[02:49] <tseng> so i dont have to keep track of passwords on 2 dozen boxes
[02:49] <ajmitch> that's what I'd expected
[02:49] <tseng> i dont do anything beyond that
[02:50] <tseng> apperantly people do
[02:50] <tseng> actually using krb5 tickets for something useful would be nice
[02:50] <_ion> tehd: to do [something] . teett: to have [something]  made. teettt: to have [something]  had made. teettttt: to have [something]  had had made. etc.
[02:50] <ogra> you just installed libpam-krb5 and didnt configure anything ?
[02:50] <tseng> no
[02:50] <tseng> I added some krb5 base packages
[02:50] <tseng> and listed my domain controller in /etc/krb5.conf
[02:50] <ogra> aha
[02:50] <tseng> and then
[02:50] <ajmitch> most info on it goes into a fair bit more detail
[02:50] <tseng> edited some files in pam.d
[02:50] <_ion> Whoops, the last word should have been "teetttt", too many "t"s. ;-)
[02:51] <tseng> to use krb5
[02:51] <tseng> but there isnt that much to it
[02:51] <DBO> you ever consider doing ldap over AD?
[02:51] <tseng> why would I do that
[02:51] <tseng> LDAP is scary and unencrypted
[02:52] <tseng> LDAPS is even scarier
[02:52] <_ion> teetttttttttttttttttttt: to have [something]  had had had had had had had had had had had had had had had had had had made.
[02:52] <DBO> LDAP can do TLS...
[02:52] <tseng> _ion: dude
[02:52] <tseng> _ion: got it.
[02:53] <tseng> I don't see a benefit to using ldap in my case
[02:54] <cbx33> tseng: I'm trying to get AD auth working properly on edubuntu
[02:54] <tseng> cbx33: cool.
[02:54] <DBO> eh, Im a fan, we use it fairly extensively here, but then again, we dont really use it the same way most people do...
[02:54] <cbx33> I got the auth working fine, and the connection of the home dir
[02:54] <cbx33> but....it won;t load allow them to log in graphically
[02:54] <tseng> not much interested in mounting home dirs all over the place
[02:54] <cbx33> and I'm not sure y
[02:55] <tseng> backhauled between a half dozen data centers
[02:55] <cbx33> well, this is to facilitate a windows integration
[02:55] <DBO> tseng, oh no user directly authenticates through ldap, actually the AD servers get their sam files overwritten from the ldap tree (its actually flat) when we add users into the ldap cluster
[02:55] <DBO> then perms are still handled at the AD server for that part of the network
[02:56] <tseng> DBO: i see
[02:56] <DBO> we still have to handle things like their email, phone access, file lockers... tons of things
[02:56] <tseng> email..
[02:56] <DBO> eh, we run sendmail
[02:56] <DBO> big Sun servers
[02:57] <DBO> anyhow... all we do is throw someones name in the ldap cluster and it pushes their login info out into all the different services in about 20 seconds (that about 40 different boxes it has to go to)
[02:57] <cbx33> DBO wow
[02:58] <cbx33> Hobbsee: awww....
[02:58] <cbx33> sunlight?
[02:58] <DBO> cbx33, the guy who made this system is a friend of mine, and the worlds sickest geek
[02:58] <Hobbsee> no, laptop powerpack - was usign it as a heater.
[02:58] <DBO> he was doing unix when he was 12... 20 years ago
[02:58] <cbx33> ahhh
[02:58] <Hobbsee> thanks Mithrandir - now i'm even colder!
[02:58] <cbx33> sheesh
[02:58] <cbx33> DBO wish I'd started linux ealier
[02:58] <DBO> this was before linux =P
[02:59] <cbx33> yeh, but I'm just saying
[02:59] <DBO> =)
[02:59] <Mithrandir> Hobbsee: better than getting roasted.
[02:59] <cbx33> I could have gotten loads more years under me belt
[02:59] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: true
[02:59] <jsgotangco> cbx33: i started linux years before but just started contributing 2 years ago :/
[03:00] <DBO> anyhow tseng... the idea was we could consolidate all of our authentications with ldap, which is kinda important with over 20k active users, and 100k accounts
[03:00] <tseng> AD does auth to the same place with krb5 or ldap
[03:00] <tseng> afaik
[03:00] <cbx33> I've been coding in one way or another since I was 10
[03:01] <tseng> it uses the same underlying data, different protocols
[03:01] <cbx33> jsgotangco: but only been using linux for about 3 years
[03:01] <jsgotangco> that still amounts to something
[03:01] <DBO> AD is ldap of sorts... its microsofts sick love child of ldap
[03:01] <tseng> I know what it is
[03:01] <DBO> =)
[03:01] <tseng> but the domain controller answers krb5 requests with the same data
[03:02] <tseng> windows itself prefers krb5 as the transport, I believe
[03:02] <cbx33> jsgotangco true - just gotta learn more...MORE MOOOORREEEEE
[03:02] <cbx33> my latest efforts, packaging
[03:03] <DBO> tseng, either can be secured fairly easily, but most security should be handled at the network level anyhow.  If you have security issues at the server level its already wayyyy too late...  Heck, our wireless network is entirely unencrypted
[03:03] <tseng> haha, lecture me about security
[03:03] <DBO> sorry...
[03:03] <DBO> Im sure you know more than I
[03:03] <tseng> I work at a giant financial company
[03:04] <tseng> we process credit, debit, power half the ATMs in the US
[03:04] <DBO> oooooh
[03:04] <tseng> we encrypt things in our own data center, and everywhere else when possible
[03:05] <cbx33> -er
[03:05] <DBO> tseng, I meant you no offense, nor did I mean to... patronize you, that was NOT my intent
[03:06] <tseng> DBO: haha I don't care
[03:06] <tseng> jsgotangco: it is already about 50 places in the tape room
[03:06] <tseng> jsgotangco: i have it :)
[03:07] <jsgotangco> nice
[03:07] <tseng> the tape room has a badge reader on either door
[03:07] <tseng> you have to swipe both sides or you are locked in
[03:07] <tseng> visa rules
[03:07] <DBO> tseng, you'll love how i have to get into my office...
[03:07] <cbx33> cool
[03:08] <tseng> mantrap?
[03:08] <DBO> no, better
[03:08] <jsgotangco> do you use carbon monoxide for fire security?
[03:08] <tseng> not that I know of
[03:08] <DBO> I approach the building  to two double doors with keypad locks, open those
[03:08] <DBO> inside there are two more double doors, swipe card to get through that
[03:09] <DBO> then inside of THAT there is a security guard and a hand scanner (looks like something out of minority reports, they just put it in)
[03:09] <DBO> you and the guard BOTH scan
[03:09] <DBO> then the door opens
[03:09] <tseng> hah we have that kind of crap in Denver
[03:09] <DBO> you have 45 seconds to do the whole thing or an alarm load as all... my ears still ring...
[03:09] <tseng> the man trap you badge in and out of
[03:09] <tseng> and it weighs you going in and out
[03:10] <DBO> we just have a metal detector... the weigh thing is a nice touch
[03:10] <tseng> yeah
[03:10] <cbx33> the other day a kid kicked in the door to our office and stole 14 laptops
[03:11] <DBO> tseng, so I forgot my key combo one time (its really long)...
[03:11] <jsgotangco> that ain't no kid that's a punk!
[03:11] <DBO> set the alarm off
[03:11] <DBO> twenty minutes later Im surrounded by security guards, who decide to let me in after resetting the alarm.
[03:11] <DBO> I go in, enter my keycode... go to swipe the card... shoot, left that in the car (WOOOP WOOOP WOOOP)
[03:11] <sladen> tseng: there's one of those Teleports in Telehouse.  Designed to count people in and out.  Unfortunately the undernourished cleaning staff are let enough to slip through two-at-a-time, which of course they do do because otherwise it takes about another 60 seconds
[03:11] <DBO> twenty minutes later I call in sick...
[03:12] <sladen> s/let/light/
[03:12] <cbx33> DBO hahahaha
[03:12] <DBO> cbx33, it was a bad start, I decided to work from home
[03:12] <tseng> sladen: wild
[03:13] <tseng> this guy here is pretty big, it goes nuts when he tries to get in
[03:17] <Mithrandir> jsgotangco: using CO for firefighting is just mean.  Better to use CO2.
[03:18] <jsgotangco> well i know a local datacenter using it but had to change it since they got a court ruling..
[03:19] <Mithrandir> given that CO is very very harmful to people, I'm not surprised.
[03:19] <Mithrandir> (no, it's not toxic.  It just kills you, and if not gives you a hell of a headache)
[03:20] <ogra> well, you save the money for the exterminator with CO :)
[03:21] <jsgotangco> heh
[03:45] <cbx33> I'm getting a problem of Zorg taking up 40% cpu for no reason
[03:45] <cbx33> Xorg
[03:45] <\sh> re
[03:45] <cbx33> anyone know where I can delve to get more information
[03:45] <lucas> which video driver ?
[03:45] <DBO> running xgl?
[03:46] <cbx33> nope
[03:46] <cbx33> stock
[03:46] <cbx33> installed dapper
[03:46] <cbx33> ariver is ati
[03:46] <cbx33> driver sorry
[03:46] <cbx33> maybe I should switch to VESA
[03:46] <DBO> been doing this long?
[03:47] <lucas> no
[03:47] <cbx33> yes
[03:47] <cbx33> ever since I installed dapper
[03:47] <lucas> which options are enabled ?
[03:47] <lucas> is DRI enabled ?
[03:47] <cbx33> yes
[03:48] <cbx33> i2c,bitmap,ddc,dri,extmod,freetype,glx,int10,type1,vbe
[03:48] <DBO> so restarting x doesnt help?
[03:48] <cbx33> well fo a while
[03:48] <cbx33> but the problem comes back
[03:48] <cbx33> I havn't been able to narrow it down
[03:48] <DBO> what programs do you run all the time?
[03:49] <cbx33> at the mo, firefox, gedit, terminal, evience
[03:49] <cbx33> and nautilus
[03:50] <cbx33> it must be a subprocess
[03:50] <cbx33> but i can't figure it out
[03:50] <lucas> check your xorg log
[03:50] <lucas> try to enable RenderAccel
[03:51] <lucas> there are lots of options in ati's man page
[03:51] <cbx33> lucas it doesn't do it all the time
[03:51] <DBO> do you have firefox pages with flash open?
[03:51] <DBO> flash = the cpu death
[03:51] <cbx33> no, flash isnt even on this machine
[03:51] <cbx33> yet
[03:52] <DBO> start closing proggies 1 by 1 and watch the cpy
[03:52] <DBO> cpu even
[03:52] <cbx33> I've done that
[03:52] <cbx33> it still stays at 40 odd %
[03:52] <cbx33> I have another unrelated problem on a different machine soneone might be able to help out with, it's a laptop and since upgrading to dapper, even minute or so, it skips two keys that I press
[03:53] <cbx33> happens in both terminal and xchat, that I have seen so far
[03:53] <cbx33> nothing in any logs
[04:04] <zakame> hi there, someone pinged me earlier?
[04:05] <ajmitch> probably talking about you
[04:07] <zakame> ajmitch! ooh, hehe
[04:07] <zakame> yeah, here and in -kubuntu-devel
[04:07] <ajmitch> if in doubt, blame it on someone else
[04:08] <zakame> hehe
[04:08] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: I *was* refraining from blaming you
[04:08] <Hobbsee> haha!  just.
[04:08] <ajmitch> but you spoilt it
[04:10] <zakame> Hobbsee: erm?
[04:10] <Hobbsee> ouch.  wrist just cracked.
[04:10] <Hobbsee> zakame: i didnt ping you...
[04:10] <DBO> Hobbsee, then my wrists are very broke
[04:11] <Hobbsee> heh
[04:11] <zakame> lol
[04:16] <Hobbsee> mmm...sleep...
[04:16] <Hobbsee> yes
[04:17] <ajmitch> yes, sleep is a good thing
[04:17] <zakame> ooh, LP now has a NEW queue?
[04:17] <ajmitch> yeah
[04:17] <tseng> ajmitch: oh nice.
[04:18] <tseng> zakame: always has
[04:18] <tseng> zakame: it was just not visible
[04:18] <ajmitch> a visible one, at least
[04:18] <zakame> tseng: good
[04:18] <tseng> that will solve some questions of "where did my upload go"
[04:18] <tseng> in more esoteric cases
[04:18] <ajmitch> I was just following that edgy was listed, and will be getting stuff published soon
[04:18] <ajmitch> if we're lucky we can upload soon
[04:18] <tseng> brilliant
[04:19] <jsgotangco> zomg! is it open? is it? is it?
[04:19] <tseng> i need gnome 2.15 crack of the day
[04:19] <ajmitch> jsgotangco: no
[04:19] <ajmitch> jsgotangco: sit down
[04:19] <tseng> The Churn
[04:19] <ajmitch> no idea when they'd turn on the firehose
[04:19] <zakame> jsgotangco: lol
[04:19] <jsgotangco> i cant use this gnome! its too old!
[04:19] <siretart> ajmitch: there is a visible NEW queue? where?
[04:20] <ajmitch> siretart: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/edgy/+queue
[04:20] <ajmitch> not only new, but accepted & rejected
[04:20] <siretart> fascinating
[04:20] <ajmitch> hopefully it's useful
[04:20] <siretart> :)
[04:22] <ajmitch> Mithrandir: the mid-project evaluation is coming up at the end of the month - I'll be heading off to .au for a couple of weeks around that time, but will have a laptop & net access
[04:23] <Mithrandir> ajmitch: we should probably have a small status meeting soon too.. Tomorrow, maybe?
[04:23] <ajmitch> sure
[04:23] <ajmitch> the distro team meeting is at 0800 UTC
[04:23] <zakame> SoCer hard at work :)
[04:24] <ajmitch> so I was going to try & show up weekly for that at least
[04:24] <seaLne> is compat still 5 in edgy?
[04:24] <ajmitch> still 5? it only just became 5 :)
[04:24] <ajmitch> the compat version you're talking about is for debhelper versions
[04:24] <ajmitch> which don't change often
[04:24] <seaLne> yeah
[04:25] <zakame> you can always export DH_COMPAT=5 too
[04:25] <Mithrandir> ajmitch: so a bit after that, maybe, then?
[04:25] <ajmitch> Mithrandir: alright, I don't think it'll be a long meeting
[04:26] <Mithrandir> the distro meeting?  I suspect so.
[04:35] <bddebian> Heya gang
[04:35] <crimsun> 'lo bddebian
[04:35] <Hobbsee> hey bddebian :)
[04:35] <bddebian> Hi crimsun and Hobbsee
[04:35] <ajmitch> hello bddebian
[04:35] <bddebian> Heya ajmitch
[04:53] <ajmitch> oh that is anoying
[04:54] <ajmitch> s/anoying/annoying/
[04:54] <ajmitch> I plug in a scanner, and it's ubuntu in vmware that gets hold of it
[04:55] <tseng> vmware only mounts usb when it is focused
[04:55] <tseng> in windows at least
[04:55] <ajmitch> not in linux
[04:55] <ajmitch> & this is vmware server, so focus probably wouldn't matter
[05:02] <hub> how do I unsubscribe a malone bug?
[05:02] <hub> I hate malone UI
[05:03] <bddebian> As far as I know you cannot
[05:04] <hub> and people wonder why malone is hated
[05:04] <tseng> they do?
[05:04] <tseng> I didn't know there was any question
[05:05] <Mithrandir> hub: uh, just click the "unsubscribe" link?
[05:05] <hub> Mithrandir: I don't see that link
[05:05] <Mithrandir> which bug is this?
[05:05] <\sh> hub: there is "unsubscribe"
[05:06] <hub> where
[05:06] <hub> I only see subscribe
[05:06] <\sh> under mark as duplicate
[05:06] <Mithrandir> then you're not subscribed, then.
[05:06] <hub> subscribe there is
[05:06] <\sh> if there is no such thing as unsubscribe, you are not subscribed
[05:06] <hub> and I get notified of the bug
[05:06] <hub> each and every time
[05:06] <Mithrandir> which bug is this, then?
[05:06] <hub> "alse notified"
[05:06] <hub> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/libgnomeprint/+bug/34112
[05:06] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 34112 in libgnomeprint "gnome programs don't respect ~/.cups/lpoptions" [Unknown,Unknown] 
[05:07] <ajmitch> either that or you're part of a team that's subscribed
[05:07] <ajmitch> and you can't unsubscribe those
[05:07] <Mithrandir> hub: you probably filed one of the duplicates, then
[05:07] <hub> possibly
[05:07] <ajmitch> hm, new UI there
[05:07] <hub> but that is not a good reason
[05:07] <ajmitch> hi pygi
[05:07] <pygi> hey ajmitch
[05:07] <\sh> hub: also notified :)
[05:07] <ajmitch> hub: sure it's not, but complaining here doesn't get it fixed :)
[05:08] <hub> at least I didn't miss the obvious thing
[05:08] <hub> it is just dumb stupid
[05:09] <hub> I 'm on #launchpad complaining now
[05:13] <ajmitch> hub: good lucking hunting down all the duplicates to see which you're subscribed to :)
[05:13] <bddebian> heh
[05:14] <hub> ajmitch: I'd rather hunt down one of the developer
[05:14] <hub> ajmitch: easier task
[05:14] <ajmitch> bradb is closer
[05:14] <hub> ajmitch: bradb is only in montreal
[05:14] <hub> yeah
[05:14] <hub> 2 hours drive
[05:38] <hub> I filed a bug
[05:40] <\sh> ok.../me goes back to karlsruhe
[05:40] <\sh> cu
[05:52] <Sp4rKy> hi MOTUs
[05:57] <bddebian> Hello Sp4rKy
[05:57] <bddebian> Any luck?
[05:58] <Sp4rKy> bddebian, no , but i just come back from work , so i'll test again :)
[05:58] <bddebian> OK :-)
[05:58] <Sp4rKy> :)
[05:58] <Sp4rKy> Toadstool is helping me , i hope he's better than me :)
[05:59] <bddebian> He's better than me :-)
[05:59] <Toadstool> I don't think so but nice try bddebian ;)
[06:02] <Erlang> bddebian is teh k|ng of self-esteem.
[06:02] <Toadstool> indeed :)
[06:03] <jpatrick> oh
[06:03] <Erlang> Even I can say "well, I rock", sometimes...
[06:05] <bddebian> Erlang: Totally :-(
[06:26] <seaLne> what is the correct way to deal with a admin/.svn directory that lintian complains about?
[06:27] <bddebian> Delete it? :-)
[06:27] <azeem> is it in the upstream tarball?
[06:27] <seaLne> azeem: yeah
[06:27] <bddebian> Ugh
[06:27] <azeem> seaLne: well, ask upstream not to do that
[06:27] <azeem> otherwise, I'd just ignore it for now, especially if this is a Debian package you're modifying, as opposed to packaging from scratch
[06:28] <jpatrick> seaLne: "rm -rf admin/.svn" in clean: rule
[06:28] <seaLne> jpatrick: i tried that and it complained
[06:28] <jpatrick> ..
[06:29] <seaLne> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/765489
[06:29] <azeem> it's a warning
[06:29] <seaLne> so that is the correct way then?
[06:29] <azeem> but yeah, it's pointless trying to remove them
[06:29] <seaLne> so just live with lintian error?
[06:30] <jpatrick> seaLne: yeah
[06:30] <bddebian> Get upstream to fix it :)
[06:32] <bddebian> Heya ivoks
[06:32] <ivoks> hello
[06:35] <sivang> has mergers from debian started already? or are we waiting for the edgy archive to open? :)
[06:35] <bddebian> I noticed Edgy is on LP already :-)
[06:37] <Sp4rKy> please which list diffuse this informpations ?
[06:37] <LaserJock> morning people!
[06:37] <jpatrick> LaserJock: morninh
[06:38] <bddebian> LASERJOCK!! :-)
[06:39] <LaserJock> the one and only, I think
[06:39] <Sp4rKy> hi LaserJock
[06:39] <highvoltage> hey LaserJock
[06:40] <highvoltage> anyone seen mvo around?
[06:40] <LaserJock> anybody know a ttreg ?
[06:41] <bddebian> LaserJock: Not I
[06:59] <Sp4rKy> dh_installexamples examples
[06:59] <Sp4rKy> cp: cannot stat `/usr/share/renamer/': No such file or directory
[07:00] <Sp4rKy> why dh_installexamples don't use /usr/share/doc ?
[07:00] <LaserJock> example files I believe are supposed to go in /usr/share/<packagename>
[07:00] <bddebian> Aye
[07:01] <LaserJock> they aren't exactly documentation I suppose, I'm not sure of the exact reason
[07:02] <Sp4rKy> ok , so how could i create this directory (why dh_installexamples doesn't do it ) ?
[07:03] <LaserJock> Sp4rKy: I would think it would already be created
[07:03] <bddebian> Sp4rKy: It should either be part of configure/make or you can do install -d debian/<package>/usr/share/<package>/foo/bar
[07:07] <Sp4rKy> does exists an order for the different dh_* calls ?
[07:07] <LaserJock> they should be called in the order that they are listed
[07:09] <Sp4rKy> ok
[07:14] <Sp4rKy> a strange thing : when i comment dh_installexamples (i 've so dh_install and dh_installdocs) , dpkg-buildpackage works perfectly, and the /usr/share/<package> rep was created
[07:17] <LaserJock> k
[07:20] <Sp4rKy> so what's wrong with dh_installexamples
[07:20] <Sp4rKy> and can i use dh_install to install examples ?
[07:21] <Toadstool> Sp4rKy: examples should be installed in /usr/share/doc/<package-name>/examples
[07:22] <Sp4rKy> so i could install them with dh_install ?
[07:22] <LaserJock> sure
[07:22] <Sp4rKy> Toadstool, you came back ?
[07:22] <Sp4rKy> LaserJock, ok , so i'll do this :)
[07:22] <Toadstool> Sp4rKy: yep, a few seconds ago :)
[07:23] <Sp4rKy> :)
[07:23] <Toadstool> Sp4rKy: you should use dh_installexamples to my mind
[07:23] <Sp4rKy> Toadstool, just 2 warnings and my package will be good
[07:29] <Sp4rKy> Toadstool, did you see my previous comment ?
[07:30] <Toadstool> yep
[07:30] <Sp4rKy> so you may help me about dh_installexamples issues :)
[07:31] <Toadstool> the error message you get is weird since dh_installexamples never uses /usr/share/<package-name> as far as I know
[07:31] <Sp4rKy> and so ?
[07:32] <Toadstool> thus I think you made some kind of little mistake which causes this :)
[07:33] <Sp4rKy> what is the good way ?
[07:33] <Sp4rKy> i've try with <package>.examples file formatted like *.install files
[07:33] <Toadstool> doesn't work like that
[07:34] <Sp4rKy> yes
[07:34] <Sp4rKy> just the name of the files
[07:34] <Toadstool> could you paste your debian/rules on pastebin?
[07:34] <Sp4rKy> i've see my mistake just when i wrote here
[07:34] <Toadstool> :)
[07:34] <Sp4rKy> i test
[07:35] <Toadstool> er, got to go...
[07:35] <Toadstool> cya
[07:35] <Sp4rKy> ok
[07:37] <Sp4rKy> seems work
[07:38] <hub> lol
[07:38] <hub> https://launchpad.net/products/malone/+bug/48860
[07:38] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 48860 in malone ""Also notified" makes difficult to unsubscribe" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] 
[07:38] <hub> same bug that triggered that report
[07:38] <hub> and mine is 48862
[07:38] <hub> *sigh*
[07:41] <shawarma> I just read a post on the u-d mailing list asking why we didn't have user-mode-linux in Ubuntu. I was writing him a long e-mail about how we sync at the beginning of each development cycle and that user-mode-linux hadn't made it into Debian in time, but then I took a look at the changelog of user-mode-linux in Debian and it seems it's been in the Debian archives at least since october... So why is it that we don't have it in Ubuntu?
[07:43] <Sp4rKy> how could we register to u-d mailist ?
[07:43] <LaserJock> lists.ubuntu.com
[07:43] <imbrandon> lists.ubuntu.com
[07:43] <Sp4rKy> thx :)
[07:43] <imbrandon> errr yea what LaserJock said ;)
[07:44] <LaserJock> shawarma: not sure, it might have been a deliberate decision
[07:45] <shawarma> LaserJock: Yeah, that's what I'm thinking and I'm just quite curious why we would decide to leave it out.
[07:46] <LaserJock> shawarma: an appropriate question in -devel might get you a good answer
[07:47] <Tonio_> hello
[07:47] <crimsun> well, we do have uml-utilities for the userspace side
[07:47] <crimsun> are you asking about the kernel side, ala skas3, etc.?
[07:47] <shawarma> LaserJock: Probably. I'll just sit here and hold my breath until someone answers the other guy who asked in the first place. :-)
[07:48] <shawarma> crimsun: The actual user-mode-linux package containing the kernel and such.
[07:49] <crimsun> shawarma: that's a good question. I've always done it by hand.
[07:49] <shawarma> crimsun: It used to be in Debian. That was really nice.
[07:49] <shawarma> crimsun: Then it went away for some reason but now it seems to be back.
[07:50] <shawarma> crimsun: What is this skas3 you're talking about?
[07:51] <imbrandon> crimsun: mind having a look / review of http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2353 now that the edgy repos are there so maybe i can get it in soon ;)
[07:51] <crimsun> shawarma: http://user-mode-linux.sourceforge.net/skas.html
[07:51] <crimsun> goodness, edgy's open?
[07:52] <imbrandon> well the repos are on archive.ubuntu.com and they are talking of it in -devel, not sure if its official yet
[07:52] <imbrandon> [12:33]  * Keybuk is already running edgy
[07:52] <imbrandon> [12:33]  <Keybuk> you guys are SO BEHIND
[07:52] <imbrandon> [12:33]  <bddebian> hehe
[07:52] <imbrandon> [12:33]  <ivoks> :)
[07:52] <imbrandon> [12:33]  <ivoks> Keybuk: tell us, tell us, is it broken? :)
[07:53] <imbrandon> ;)
[07:53] <crimsun> oh god, first upload is the kernel
[07:54] <LaserJock> crimsun: do you know of any good references on how to make a Python app in to a real (read distributable) program
[07:54] <crimsun> LaserJock: err, don't understand the question
[07:54] <imbrandon> but yea crimsun if you dont mind have a look at that so i can get my 2+ people to agree that it can be uploaded to universe
[07:55] <crimsun> it's not redistributable [packaging-wise]  now?
[07:55] <bddebian> Yeah crimsun, where you been "Mr. Main Uploader"? ;-P
[07:55] <imbrandon> pweease ;)
[07:55] <siretart> edgy seems to be still empty
[07:55] <LaserJock> yeah
[07:55] <bddebian> Heya siretart
[07:55] <imbrandon> heya siretart
[07:55] <crimsun> siretart: yeah, keybuk's filtering each upload
[07:55] <siretart> huhu bddebian, hi imbrandon
[07:55] <crimsun> < Keybuk> however there's a queue at the door < Keybuk> and I'm dressed up as a bouncer deciding who can come in or not
[07:56] <imbrandon> heh
[07:56] <LaserJock> crimsun: ok, the specific problem is that we need to tell the python program where it's glade file is but the glade file might be in different places depending on $DESTDIR, etc.
[07:56] <crimsun> imbrandon: got the url loaded, will check when time's less scarce (ETA: 20 mins)
[07:56] <siretart> crimsun: AFAIU, uploads to edgy are quite senseless, because the chroots have not been set up on the buildds. infinity seems to wait on new gcc's, which in turn wait for new glibc.. oh well
[07:56] <crimsun> siretart: yeah, toolchain fun!
[07:57] <imbrandon> thanks crimsun
[07:57] <crimsun> bddebian: sorry, still awaiting my ponies
[07:57] <imbrandon> zomg !!!!111
[07:57] <Sp4rKy> http://pastebin.com/765662 <== what's wrong ?
[07:58] <imbrandon> heh jpatrick had some ponie pic's yesterday , was kinda funny
[07:58] <crimsun> LaserJock: hmm, why would the glade file be any different relative to $DESTDIR?
[07:58] <jpatrick> crimsun: here you go: http://img426.imageshack.us/img426/5561/pony14pz.jpg
[07:59] <imbrandon> hehe
[07:59] <crimsun> jpatrick: no way. http://youtube.com/watch?v=d8gxL3maWFs
[07:59] <crimsun> (for all great eye-stabbing justice)
[08:00] <jpatrick> arg, flash...
[08:00] <hub> crimsun: "Hello, you either have JavaScript turned off or an old version of Macromedia's Flash Player. Click here to get the latest flash player." <- welcom freedom lovers
[08:00] <jpatrick> hub: my poiny
[08:00] <crimsun> yeah, the sickliness of Flash(tm)
[08:00] <jpatrick> point not pony
[08:00] <crimsun> it's some video clip from My Little Pony
[08:01] <hub> crimsun: is not slick. it requires me to install software I don't trust
[08:01] <hub> crimsun: that don't run on my platform of choice
[08:01] <LaserJock> crimsun: no, the point is we don't know how to make a relative link from the .py to the .glade because we can't (don't want to)  hard-code it
[08:01] <hub> (PPC)
[08:01] <crimsun> hub: right. In any case, bddebian is supposed to send me ponies via post. I'm still waiting...
[08:01] <imbrandon> hub: does gplflash run on ppc ?
[08:02] <bddebian> crimsun: Nah, I'm useless
[08:02] <hub> imbrandon: does it work?
[08:02] <imbrandon> afaik ? never tried it
[08:02] <hub> so
[08:02] <jpatrick> Gnash freezes up here
[08:02] <crimsun> LaserJock: hmm, pyglade documentation doesn't have a "best practices" or something similar?
[08:02] <crimsun> it shouldn't need to be hardcoded afaict
[08:03] <hub> imbrandon: Flash is a proprietary file format the Macromedia REFUSE to Open
[08:03] <hub> imbrandon: advocating it is accepting to relinquish your freedom
[08:03] <LaserJock> crimsun: ok, I'll try there. I'm such a software newb
[08:03] <_ion> I found gnash to be in a rather useless stage currently.
[08:04] <_ion> For general web surfing, that is.
[08:04] <imbrandon> hub: here are 3 alteritives to it that are gpl though https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats#head-f4b5a0e592cf89fac0bb7f5388c8e1733413af21
[08:04] <hub> imbrandon: that are equally broken
[08:04] <imbrandon> probbly
[08:04] <imbrandon> i just know they exist
[08:04] <imbrandon> heh
[08:04] <hub> _ion: Gnash is really active, but there is a real long way to have it work
[08:05] <_ion> hub: Yes.
[08:05] <hub> _ion: because of the inherant complexity of Flash itself
[08:05] <hub> including the various version released
[08:05] <_ion> That's what i've understood.
[08:05] <hub> and the obesive control Macromerdia instist to put on
[08:06] <_ion> t
[08:06] <LaserJock> bah, the freelance packaging I did made the Dapper release announcement!
[08:06] <hub> _ion: I rebuild very often for curiosity
[08:07] <hub> _ion: but still not advocating any use of flash
[08:07] <_ion> hub: Nobody should _ever_ advocate any use of flash. :-)
[08:07] <hub> _ion: agreed
[08:08] <hub> not couting that gnash will force license violation by itself
[08:08] <hub> as MP3 and other patented shit is required to implement it
[08:36] <LaserJock> anybody know what "Ubuntu 6.06 LTS also has a new mechanism to make commercial software available" means in the release announcment?
[08:36] <tseng> it means gnome-app-install can handle 3rd party repos
[08:36] <tseng> from proprietary vendors
[08:37] <hub> that thing written in Python?
[08:37] <LaserJock> ok, but the examples they give are for Multiverse pacakges
[08:38] <crimsun> it's the "use commercial software" or whatever checkbox in g-a-i
[08:38] <crimsun> (enables multiverse)
[08:38] <siretart> crimsun: do you happen to know what this checkbox actually does?
[08:39] <siretart> my observation was that it shows packages from multiverse
[08:39] <crimsun> right, that's my experience
[08:40] <LaserJock> so I really don't understand much of the "new mechanism" part
[08:40] <LaserJock> new mechanism = gai checkbox, I guess
[08:41] <crimsun> well, "includes a checkbox widget in gnome-app-install" probably doesn't fit well in the release announcement ;)
[08:42] <azeem> isn't the point that g-a-i presents specific commercial apps like DB2 etc., and not random multiverse crap?
[08:42] <azeem> not that I've checked
[08:43] <Sp4rKy> http://pastebin.com/765662 <== what's wrong ?
[08:43] <crimsun> azeem: right, it's just a selection afaik
[08:44] <LaserJock> azeem: ahh, that might make sense
[08:44] <bddebian> Sp4rKy: You got me on that one?
[08:44] <LaserJock> well that explains some things
[08:45] <Sp4rKy> bddebian, sorry , i odn't understand what you say
[08:45] <crimsun> Sp4rKy: I've seen something similar when attempting to pbuild a package before the base.tgz is finished being generated
[08:46] <LaserJock> I'm packaging one of the items they say is in there and I wondered why there was lots of interest in getting it into Multiverse
[08:46] <Sp4rKy> crimsun, but the dpkg-buildpackage -S -sa was finished before !
[08:47] <crimsun> Sp4rKy: try updating your pbuilder then pbuilding the package
[08:47] <Sp4rKy> crimsun, i'll try
[08:49] <crimsun> imbrandon: ping
[08:49] <imbrandon> pong
[08:49] <crimsun> imbrandon: I don't see apt-mirror in Debian
[08:49] <imbrandon> its not
[08:49] <imbrandon> its a new package
[08:49] <crimsun> imbrandon: which means that you should version it 0.4.4-0ubuntu1
[08:50] <imbrandon> ummm it is versioned that way i thought, *looks*
[08:50] <imbrandon> apt-mirror_0.4.4-2-0ubuntu1.dsc
[08:51] <crimsun> imbrandon: also, you mention in the changelog that you adjusted mirror.list for dapper, but, there's no diff for it in the actual diff.gz
[08:51] <crimsun> imbrandon: 0.4.4-2-0ubuntu1?
[08:51] <crimsun> why -2-0ubuntu1?
[08:51] <Sp4rKy> crimsun, i have again the same error
[08:51] <Sp4rKy> crimsun, i did pbuilder update
[08:52] <imbrandon> crimsun: the orig was versioned 0.4.4-2
[08:52] <crimsun> Sp4rKy: please post your current .diff.gz and .dsc (and a link to the orig.tar.gz)
[08:52] <imbrandon> so i should drop the -2 in the orig when adding -0ubuntu1 ?
[08:53] <crimsun> imbrandon: let me check the sf Web site
[08:53] <imbrandon> crimsun: i changed the mirror.list before the orig package was made, there was no debain pkg before
[08:53] <Sp4rKy> crimsun, ok
[08:53] <imbrandon> kk
[08:53] <crimsun> eww
[08:53] <imbrandon> apt-mirror.sf.net
[08:53] <crimsun> upstream has it versioned incorrectly
[08:54] <crimsun> well, I guess not given upstream can use whatever versioning it wants
[08:54] <imbrandon> ok ....... do we reversion it ?
[08:54] <imbrandon> and notify upstream ?
[08:54] <crimsun> I don't know why upstream doesn't just use 0.4.x instead of incrementing a packaging revision, given it's a native package
[08:55] <crimsun> imbrandon: I was expecting upstream to use standard nomenclature, but in light of the native source package being 0.4.4-2, you'd want to make yours 0.4.4-2ubuntu1
[08:55] <imbrandon> ok , can do
[08:56] <crimsun> which would make it native as well, and you wouldn't have a diff.gz
[08:56] <imbrandon> kk
[08:56] <imbrandon> well it would have a diff with the mirror.list changes
[08:56] <Sp4rKy> crimsun, sos-sts.info/ubuntu/renamer
[08:56] <crimsun> imbrandon: no, if it's native, there won't be a diff.gz
[08:57] <imbrandon> ok
[08:57] <imbrandon> can i delete the revu upload so i can totaly repackage it ? if not revu will try to make diff's when i upload
[08:59] <crimsun> you should be able to just upload an entire new set
[08:59] <crimsun> shouldn't need to have an admin delete anything
[08:59] <imbrandon> kk i'll try that
[08:59] <Sp4rKy> crimsun, did you see  my  link ?
[08:59] <crimsun> Sp4rKy: yes, sec, getting to it :)
[09:00] <Sp4rKy> crimsun, ok :) i wait
[09:02] <crimsun> Sp4rKy: would you link me to the orig.tar.gz, please?
[09:02] <Sp4rKy> crimsun, there is th elink to the main website into the DOWNLOADFROM file
[09:02] <crimsun> ah, ok.
[09:02] <Sp4rKy> :p
[09:05] <imbrandon> crimsun: apt-mirror (0.4.4-2ubuntu1) edgy; urgency=low <--- correct ?
[09:06] <imbrandon> given it wasent in debian before
[09:06] <crimsun> imbrandon: yes
[09:06] <imbrandon> k
[09:06] <imbrandon> building now, upload again in a sec
[09:06] <crimsun> upstream really needs to be prodded into changing the versioning
[09:06] <crimsun> that's just my $0.02, though
[09:06] <imbrandon> yea i'll send em an email, and see what comes of it
[09:07] <siretart> err, are you talking about uploads to edgy?
[09:07] <imbrandon> siretart: it WILL be for edgy but not yes, just REVU right now
[09:07] <imbrandon> s/yes/yet
[09:08] <crimsun> Sp4rKy: just stepping through debian/* : control needs copyright date{,s}
[09:09] <crimsun> sorry poor phrasing
[09:09] <crimsun> copyright needs Copyright date
[09:09] <Sp4rKy> ok
[09:09] <Sp4rKy> i add it
[09:09] <Sp4rKy> and for the "./utils" issue ?
[09:09] <crimsun> getting there :)
[09:10] <Sp4rKy> date for the copyright holder ?
[09:11] <imbrandon> gah , ok i just rebuilt my build box, i hate reinstalling all the tools, i'm missing something ...........
[09:11] <imbrandon> make: dh_testdir: Command not found
[09:11] <imbrandon> make: *** [clean]  Error 127
[09:11] <imbrandon> debuild: fatal error at line 768:
[09:11] <imbrandon> dpkg-buildpackage failed!
[09:11] <imbrandon> thats with debuild -S -sa
[09:11] <bddebian> apt-get install devscripts?
[09:11] <imbrandon> debhelper ?
[09:11] <imbrandon> got that bddebian
[09:12] <bddebian> Or debhelper, aye :-)
[09:12] <imbrandon> hehe there should be a list of build tools ;)
[09:12] <imbrandon> that did it , thx bddebian
[09:13] <crimsun> Sp4rKy: yes
[09:13] <Sp4rKy> crimsun, where could i get it
[09:14] <crimsun> Sp4rKy: from upstream
[09:14] <crimsun> it should be in the source files, too
[09:15] <Sp4rKy> i don't see it in source files, i'll try to upstream
[09:16] <Sp4rKy> i didn't know all package and all software need an official anounce for the GPL licence
[09:17] <crimsun> Sp4rKy: does this package use Qt3 or Qt4?
[09:18] <Sp4rKy> yes qt3
[09:19] <crimsun> Sp4rKy: debian/control need to build-depend on libqt3-mt-dev and qt3-dev-tools at least, then
[09:19] <crimsun> needs^
[09:20] <Sp4rKy> shlibs doesn't find them ?
[09:20] <crimsun> shlibs are for runtime, we're talking about creating the package, which is build-depends
[09:22] <Sp4rKy> ouch
[09:22] <Sp4rKy> k
[09:25] <crimsun> Sp4rKy: you also need to modify debian/changelog: the distribution is "edgy" (Ubuntu) not "unstable" (Debian), and the version would be 1.0.2-0ubuntu1 since the package is not in Debian
[09:27] <Sp4rKy> i thought i had change them :/
[09:27] <Sp4rKy>  we're talking about creating the packag <== The error is during pbuilder test
[09:29] <imbrandon> crimsun: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2381  <-- redone
[09:30] <crimsun> Sp4rKy: yes, I know, I'm just reviewing debian/* since I had to retrieve it anyway
[09:31] <Sp4rKy> ok
[09:44] <Sp4rKy> crimsun, no idea ?
[09:44] <crimsun> Sp4rKy: (sorry, phone @work)
[09:44] <crimsun> (will resume asap)
[09:46] <Sp4rKy> crimsun, k
[09:57] <crimsun> Sp4rKy: must be an issue on your end, since after adding the *qt3* b-ds it begins to build just fine
[09:58] <crimsun> Sp4rKy: granted it bombs because libpcre3-dev is missing as a b-d...
[09:59] <crimsun> Sp4rKy: can you regenerate your base.tgz fresh if you're on broadband?
[10:00] <Sp4rKy> crimsun, yes , with -S -sa ?
[10:01] <crimsun> Sp4rKy: if you mean ``debuild -S -sa'', yes
[10:02] <Sp4rKy> i mean dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -S -sa , is the same ?
[10:02] <crimsun> you can use that, sure
[10:02] <Sp4rKy> ok
[10:03] <crimsun> (I just have debuild in shell history)
[10:03] <Sp4rKy> done
[10:03] <Sp4rKy> what do you want ? orig.tgz ?
[10:04] <crimsun> (no, I have the bz2)
[10:04] <crimsun> does pbuilder still throw that error?
[10:05] <Sp4rKy> trying ...
[10:06] <Sp4rKy> i've always the same error :(
[10:06] <Sp4rKy> don't you have ?
[10:06] <crimsun> nope
[10:07] <Sp4rKy> :/
[10:07] <Sp4rKy> i've done modification in debian/control :(
[10:08] <Sp4rKy> i've the same error with devede
[10:08] <crimsun> the only things I changed in debian/control were to add those build-dependencies
[10:08] <Sp4rKy> whereas it worked yesterday
[10:08] <crimsun> Copying source file -> copying [renamer_1.0.2-0ubuntu1.dsc]  -> copying [./renamer_1.0.2.orig.tar.gz]  -> copying [./renamer_1.0.2-0ubuntu1.diff.gz] 
[10:08] <crimsun> Extracting source
[10:08] <crimsun> that's where yours trips, correct?
[10:09] <Sp4rKy> yes
[10:09] <Sp4rKy> i've the same error with all packages :/
[10:09] <Sp4rKy> in fact maybe i have this error since the start of the pbuilder tree :/
[10:09] <crimsun> yes, that indicates it's an actual pbuilder error
[10:09] <Sp4rKy> do you think i should recreate a pbuilder ?
[10:10] <crimsun> yes
[10:10] <Sp4rKy> ok
[10:10] <crimsun> (I mentioned that above :)
[10:10] <Sp4rKy> did you mentionned recreate or update ?
[10:10] <crimsun> recreate
[10:10] <Sp4rKy> i'd update
[10:10] <Sp4rKy> sorry
[10:10] <Sp4rKy> how could i delete current ?
[10:11] <crimsun> it will be overwritten, or if you're paranoid, just erase it first, then recreate it
[10:11] <Sp4rKy> ok
[10:11] <Sp4rKy> thx
[10:11] <tritium> crimsun: is there any chance of using vmware player images rather than pbuilder chroots to achieve the same effect?
[10:11] <Sp4rKy> i'll come back when recreated
[10:12] <crimsun> tritium: seems like a bit more work for essentially the same chroot idea, but I don't see why not
[10:12] <crimsun> (not to mention the whole using Free tools bit, but whatever, that's just ideological)
[10:13] <crimsun> tritium: unless you are asking whether MOTU will move to use vmware...?
[10:13] <Sp4rKy> crimsun, must i create with --distribution edgy ???
[10:13] <crimsun> Sp4rKy: no, dapper currently
[10:14] <Sp4rKy> crimsun, ok
[10:14] <imbrandon> crimsun: that new upload look better .... ? brb gonna grab some mt dew
[10:15] <tritium> crimsun: I'm not asking if MOTU will move to that.
[10:15] <tritium> Just curious if it's a viable method
[10:15] <jsgotangco> hey =)
[10:15] <imbrandon> heya jsgotangco
[10:16] <jsgotangco> good morning
[10:16] <crimsun> imbrandon: will look in 5 mins
[10:16] <crimsun> tritium: yep, it is.
[10:16] <imbrandon> kk crimsun no big hurry, just curious
[10:17] <tritium> cool, thanks, crimsun
[10:19] <crimsun> np
[10:19] <tritium> magandang umaga, jsgotangco
[10:20] <jsgotangco> tritium: hi well its too early atm here
[10:20] <tritium> oh, okay :)
[10:20] <crimsun> Sp4rKy: yep, generates fine.
[10:21] <crimsun> Sp4rKy: dpkg-deb: building package `renamer' in `../renamer_1.0.2-0ubuntu1_i386.deb'.
[10:21] <crimsun> Sp4rKy: make sure you upload a newer version with these changes to revu please, thanks
[10:22] <Sp4rKy> crimsun, ok
[10:22] <Sp4rKy> my pbuilder is creating
[10:22] <bddebian> crimsun: You have a quick minute for a /query?
[10:22] <Sp4rKy> the issue is that dpkg-deb create correctly my .deb :)
[10:23] <crimsun> bddebian: absolutely
[10:25] <Sp4rKy> crimsun, always the same error :(
[10:25] <bddebian> Sp4rKy: I haven't been keeping up with the conversation.  Can you build it OK outside of pbuilder?  I.E. somethign like sudo dpkg-buildpackage -us -nc?
[10:26] <Sp4rKy> with dpkg-buildpackage -S -sa
[10:26] <Sp4rKy> buit the issue is when i try to use pbuilder , i 've this error during test :
[10:26] <Sp4rKy> cp: cannot stat `./utils': No such file or directory
[10:26] <bddebian> Have you whacked your pbuilder and rebuilt it? :-)
[10:27] <Sp4rKy> i just rebuild the pbuilder
[10:27] <bddebian> Ah, hmm
[10:28] <Sp4rKy> and i've this error woth all the packages i try to pbuild , also good packages
[10:30] <bddebian> Sp4rKy: Any chance you have some fs corruption or anything?
[10:30] <Sp4rKy> http://pastebin.com/766033 <== a pbuild try
[10:30] <Sp4rKy> bddebian, i really don't think
[10:31] <crimsun> ok, if it's all packages, it sounds like a pbuilder configuration issue
[10:31] <Sp4rKy> is there other thing to do before use pbuilder (than pbuilder create) ?
[10:31] <crimsun> I take it you're not using ~/.pbuilderrc ?
[10:31] <Sp4rKy> yes
[10:31] <crimsun> yes you are, or yes you are not? :)
[10:32] <Sp4rKy> sorry
[10:32] <Sp4rKy> yes i'm not !
[10:32] <crimsun> hmm, ok, it shouldn't matter. Since I'm a configuration file whore, I like ~/.pbuilderrc
[10:32] <bddebian> heh
[10:33] <Sp4rKy> i don't know what is .pbuilderrc
[10:33] <crimsun> it's your version of /etc/pbuilderrc
[10:34] <Sp4rKy> ok
[10:34] <crimsun> Sp4rKy: first thing, check ``dmesg'' to see if there are kernel messages regarding your hard drive controller
[10:35] <crimsun> if there are, hat's a sign to investigate filesystem corruption, as bddebian mentioned
[10:35] <crimsun> that's^
[10:35] <Sp4rKy> nothing
[10:35] <Sp4rKy> and fsck done this morning
[10:38] <Sp4rKy> pfff
[10:39] <crimsun> Sp4rKy: you're on dapper, correct?
[10:40] <Sp4rKy> yes
[10:40] <crimsun> Sp4rKy: and plenty of space in /var (or / )?
[10:42] <Sp4rKy> /dev/hdc6             7.4G  4.6G  2.4G  66% /
[10:42] <crimsun> hmm, that should be plenty
[10:43] <Sp4rKy> i think soo
[10:44] <crimsun> Sp4rKy: wait...
[10:44] <Sp4rKy> but i've a space issue with df :/
[10:44] <Sp4rKy> yes ?
[10:44] <crimsun> that's suspicious. Are you sure you're pbuilding the dsc?
[10:44] <crimsun> I vaguely remember errors like that when accidentally pbuilder the .changes
[10:44] <Sp4rKy> yes
[10:44] <Sp4rKy> i made the /changes :(
[10:45] <crimsun> what command you using to pbuild?
[10:45] <bddebian> ack :-)
[10:45] <crimsun> are
[10:45] <crimsun> (I am mightyfumblefingers this afternoon)
[10:45] <Sp4rKy> i use *source.changes
[10:45] <crimsun> ooops
[10:45] <crimsun> don't
[10:45] <crimsun> pbuilder requires a dsc
[10:45] <Sp4rKy> works perfectly with dsc :)
[10:45] <crimsun> yes, only use the dsc
[10:45] <bddebian> w00t :-)
[10:46] <Sp4rKy> i'm sorry for the time you lost for a stupid mistake
[10:46] <crimsun> that's ok, I've stumbled across that one, too
[10:46] <crimsun> hence the "wait..." :)
[10:46] <Sp4rKy> :)
[10:46] <crimsun> note in the man page for pbuilder that build only accepts [options]  foo.dsc
[10:47] <Sp4rKy> when Gloubiboulga explain me how package i made many mistakes between sources.changes (dput) and .dsc (pbulder) :)
[10:47] <crimsun> yeah, it can be confusing at first.
[10:47] <crimsun> you pbuild a dsc, but you upload a source.changes
[10:48] <Sp4rKy> yes
[10:48] <Sp4rKy> thanks a lot for your help
[10:48] <crimsun> np
[10:48] <Sp4rKy> you are really the best :)
[10:48] <crimsun> nope
[10:48] <Sp4rKy> why ?
[10:48] <crimsun> we've a pyro and a deity in here
[10:49] <crimsun> both outclass me =] 
[10:49] <bddebian> Yes he is the best :)
[10:49] <Sp4rKy> :)
[10:49] <bddebian> Who's the pyro?
[10:49] <crimsun> hobbsee
[10:49] <Sp4rKy> bddebian, thx to you to
[10:49] <bddebian> Oh, hehe, makes sense :)
[10:49] <Sp4rKy> o
[10:49] <bddebian> Sp4rKy: No worries, glad you got it going
[10:49] <bddebian> And believe me, I make LOTS of stupid mistakes ;-)
[10:50] <crimsun> we all do :)
[10:50] <Sp4rKy> :)
[10:50] <Sp4rKy> thx for all MOTUS
[10:58] <crimsun> -> coffee
[10:58] <Sp4rKy> Good night motus
[10:58] <crimsun> 'night Sp4rKy
[10:58] <Sp4rKy> thx
[10:58] <bddebian> Gnight Sp4rKy
[10:58] <crimsun> imbrandon: will look when I return
[10:59] <imbrandon> kk crimsun np like i said no hurry just dident want it forgot about ;)
[11:00] <Sp4rKy> in fact , i finish my packaging before
[11:05] <bddebian> Time to head home, later folks
[11:24] <ToadZzZztool> g'night
[11:30] <tiagoboldt> 'night
[11:59] <crimsun> imbrandon: some notes wrt apt-mirror: 1) It may be preferable to use archive instead of us.archive in mirror.list; 2) debian/changelog should reference debian/rules (not debain/rules); 3) You may wish to correspond with upstream to update debhelper compat if possible; 4) debian/copyright needs a date for the Copyright and should include the preamble at least, you'll want to ping upstream about that
[11:59] <crimsun> imbrandon: otherwise it looks fine for first-pass