[12:06] Amaranth, doing implementation? :) [12:06] yeah [12:06] i actually didn't do anything to make https work, it just did :) [12:07] great ;) [12:07] Now if only all would just work :P === RobinShepheard [n=robins@80-45-78-121.static.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #edubuntu [12:28] whee [12:28] my bank works and logging into ubuntuforums works [12:28] now to make my bank a 'bad' site :) [12:29] Amaranth, http://www.firefoxflicks.com/flick/index.php?sort=pop&id=19542&c=false [12:29] Amaranth, you already have that much up for the the proxy? [12:30] yeah [12:30] it's not hard [12:30] the hard stuff is non-compiant servers and corner cases [12:30] non-compliant [12:30] yep [12:31] you planning to implement the PICS stuff? [12:32] maybe [12:32] if i have time [12:32] it can be done later [12:32] it's not a main priority though [12:32] PICS is a joke, tbh === arnadelo1 [n=andres@80.103.8.189] has joined #edubuntu === dan_young [n=dyoung@fw11x.mesd.k12.or.us] has left #edubuntu [] [12:47] hmm, Kipina seems to be a common package installed on systems that get and error running alacarte === Amaranth thinks someone made a b0rked package [12:49] nope, wrong again [12:49] :/ === bimberi [n=bimberi@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.bimberi] has joined #edubuntu === bddebian [n=bdefrees@71.224.172.103] has joined #edubuntu [01:26] Heya folks === Lord_Athur [n=alejandr@pc-89-87-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu [01:40] hi all [01:40] Hello Lord_Athur [01:41] hi bddebian , I've got a new keyborad, it's connected to the computer with my usb card, but grub doesn't detect it, what can i do? === mhz is now known as mhz_food [01:41] Lord_Athur, It is likely yoru bios, not grub === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #edubuntu [01:42] but i can get inside the bios options with this keyboard === jane_ [n=JaneW@dsl-146-167-152.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu [01:43] hmm, that is odd [01:43] the best solution I have for you is to go back to your other keyboard [01:45] jajaja [01:46] I spent much money on it- not very much but could have gotten a good book with it- [01:46] Burgwork, Bus 001 Device 003: ID 0a81:0101 Chesen Electronics Corp. Keyboard [01:48] it is likely that Ubuntu will work once booted, but grub might be an issue [01:49] file a bug too [01:50] ok [02:22] crap i broke https [02:23] heh, goofy bug === arkan0x [n=arkan0x@201.215.87.19] has joined #edubuntu === arkan0x is away: .....zzz...b === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #edubuntu === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #edubuntu === bddebian is now known as bdubuntu === LaserJock is now known as Laser_away === mhz_food is now known as mhz === pitux [n=pitux@222-187-246-201.adsl.terra.cl] has joined #edubuntu === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #edubuntu === bdubuntu is now known as bddebian === jsgotangco yawns [04:19] jsgotangco: cover your mouth [04:19] ;) [04:19] jsgotangco: NL will be out when? [04:20] mhz: we're consolidating with the ubuntu/kubuntu/xubuntu probably this weekend [04:21] edgy just opened so its news [04:21] jsgotangco: colidating? [04:21] jsgotangco: next week's NL could I include a mini article about the Rrle of Edubuntu and its potential/base for a variation to consolidate for Latinamerican schools? [04:21] rolr [04:21] rolrrole [04:21] duh!!! [04:21] r o l e [04:22] if you could provide a link, we'll include it [04:22] mhz: well i woke up around 4am for the meeting then slept 1 1/2 hours more before going to work [04:23] jsgotangco: i ask because it will be related to FET, too. One of FET Libre 2006 objectives is to promote Edubuntu in LA [04:23] jsgotangco: ooh, yeah, I remember you were at a corner [04:24] sounds cool, when would you be able to finish it? [04:24] I will start it on Sunday, while my daughter sleeps and my wife snores :D === mhz already got the posters... real big size of paper [04:25] poster size :D [04:25] and just finihsed the desging for t-shirt === mhz corrects: ex-wife [04:26] mm i always get a heartwarming feeling whenever i start my kubuntu station and i get a segfault :/ [04:26] lol [04:28] I had to make a difficult decision while ago (5 months) for this thin laptop: Either I kept just 1 heavy desktop and many lighter ones, OR I would kill have to live with slowliness (considering I have to use lots of OOO. [04:28] so, I have never used KDE since then [04:28] only GNOME once a week, to see what's new and NO OOO in parallel [04:29] and the rest of the fays, from Fluxbox, to Wmaker to Xubuntu [04:29] days [04:29] i would understand you, XFCE is fast [04:29] especially thunar [04:29] yeah [04:29] lovely thunar === mhz wants to try out nomed's development of his aoutmounter [04:30] 'basilico' i guess it is called [04:30] well, Daniele Favara is coming to FET [04:32] and so is the guy from Bolivia, the one who needs dvd but has no web connection [04:33] mhz: have you tried dapper on that thing? it is much much lighter [04:33] that i amusing [04:33] that I am using [04:33] :D [04:33] my desktop machine went from 230+ mb on a cold boot to 130+ [04:33] Burgundavia: much faster, less battery (default settings) [04:33] you mean you get less battery life? [04:33] yeah [04:33] i mean [04:34] I get crap battery life in general [04:34] nice to create a spec about battery life [04:34] I unplug it and it lasts less, using same desktop, compared to breezy [04:34] lol [04:35] I will create a spec now [04:36] thx [04:36] +1 [04:36] though, I can't wait to see Edubuntu on PDA's [04:36] more especifically, in ARMs [04:37] anyways, those are not needed specs right now, so I close the idea ;) [04:37] BTW, since I got back here, I unplugged the AC and now I get 2 more mins. of battery [04:38] while, I used to have at least 80 minutes with breezy [04:44] mhz: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReducedPowerUsage [04:45] fyi, the 2nd use case is my fathers, when he worked in the Seychelles [04:45] Burgundavia: thx.. I'll plug back the AC and will tab it === CuriousG [n=cg@c-67-174-42-184.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #edubuntu [04:49] I have a problem with the hibernate option when exiting from a thin client [04:49] It appears to hibernate the whole server so it shuts it off [04:50] I assume that isn't supposed to happen. === arkan0x is back (gone 02:05:03) [04:55] CuriousG: is this for a privileged user (ie. sudo access) or anyone? === mhz tabs in Epiphany [04:58] Burgundavia: you use/like Moin? [04:58] mhz: yes and no [04:58] Burgundavia: lol [04:59] Burgundavia and guys, just to show off more Moin power: [04:59] Java and Moin: http://www.slec.net/AmbientesVirtualesdeAprendizaje [04:59] Mind Maps, very needed by schools [05:00] "a plane from Cape Town to South Africa" ? [05:00] bimberi: right, that would be my bad [05:01] Burgundavia: kk, pedantry over :P === dinda [n=dinda@cpe-72-181-91-181.houston.res.rr.com] has joined #edubuntu [05:02] bimberi: no worries, I fixed it [05:02] Burgundavia: and Moin and Latex and GNUPLOT, http://www.slec.net/ExtensionesMoinSlec === HedgeMage peeks in [05:03] HedgeMage: sure! [05:03] edubuntu needs edu-contents ;) === Laser_away is now known as LaserJock [05:10] woah, did somebody say gnuplot?! [05:12] LaserJock: yup [05:12] that was an example of Moin and Gnuplot [05:13] Moin rocks [05:13] it is just that you need to learn to love it [05:14] mhz: moin has serious issues [05:14] gnuplot rocks, I'm not so sure about Moin ;-) j/k [05:15] wow, that is very cool though, my boss would flip if he saw that [05:16] LaserJock: it can do lots more, if you let it so. [05:16] brb mommy duty [05:16] Burgundavia: serious? [05:16] HedgeMage: TT? [05:17] mhz: moin sucks for teams which do not already have a method of community. It sucks for presentation docs. [05:18] Burgundavia: oh, I see. You mean you have even seen the Moin SlideShow plugin with my CSS? [05:18] that might be nice, can we get it on the help wiki? [05:18] sure! [05:18] it doesn't solve the issue that moin sucks for communication [05:19] Burgundavia: well, yeah. If you have a team with no clear communication policies, it may not be the best choice [05:19] which makes it bad for docs, because you tend to get lots of people helping out at random [05:19] Burgundavia: now I see why you say that [05:19] look at wikipedia [05:20] does mediawiki make that easier? and how? [05:20] there is a clear discussion page with every doc === LaserJock shuts up [05:20] Burgundavia: it is the approach that is different [05:20] yep [05:20] Moin has been built upon the concept of "build it as you wish" [05:20] moin is great for developers, not for users [05:21] Mediawiki was built upon the concept of we give you all this, you get the rest if you can [05:21] :) [05:21] mediawiki is built to create a community and have presentation docs, moin is not [05:23] yup [05:23] " we give you all this" [05:25] Burgundavia: maybe you have seen this idea. This is good for Help pages, for example. [05:25] http://mhz.homelinux.org/somework/EmacsCommands [05:25] and then select MoreAction -> SlideShow [05:25] and go to at least Slide #5 to see it working [05:26] shiny, but too hard to get into [05:26] I want a slideshow on a page by default [05:26] no problem! [05:26] I can do that too :D [05:27] Burgundavia: I can easily make this the default page: http://mhz.homelinux.org/somework/EmacsCommands?action=SlideShow [05:28] Burgundavia: this is why we do not use Mediawiki: http://linux.lcampino.cl/wiki/index.php?title=Matematicas_Libre&action=history [05:29] and I should have only seen this instead: http://linux.lcampino.cl/wiki/index.php?title=Matematicas_Libre [05:32] ohhh, nothing to do but, we should have some sort of statistics to know how many schools/ teachers/ students/ pcs/ etc we have running edubuntu [05:32] In Colombia, a friend of mine has this: http://estadisticas.slec.net/ejemplos [05:33] bimberi, this is a regular user I created under users and group. I even chose the "Default" profile the one that says "Unprivileged" under the comment section. [05:34] I thought at first it was because I was using the first account that was created then I created another one using Desktop profile and same thing and now created the Default and still same thing. It just shuts down the server. If I turn it back on, it comes back to where I was shut down if I had logged in already. [05:37] CuriousG: hmmm, now thatr you mention it... [05:37] IIRC, I had same issue yesterday night [05:38] when leaving the LAB [05:38] I was on the phone and one friend was testing a client. Then he shutdowns his client and when I got back to the server it was already down too! [05:38] NOW I get it === dsl_ [n=dsl@64.46.3.83.novuscom.net] has joined #edubuntu [05:39] CuriousG: yes, it is big issue, indeed! [05:41] I don't have the shutdown problem if you click on the light switch from thin client after you log off. [05:41] But hibernate shut down the server. I was just wondering if it was just me or some setting in the BIOS I needed to tweak. [05:42] Surely don't want kids to mess with something like that. [05:43] CuriousG: my issue was my friend did not log out his session, he chose 'shutdown' from Client side [05:44] that is huge issue [05:44] I don't have a shutdown option from client. There is a log off though. [05:45] Then after you log off and get the login screen, there is a light switch on the bottom left corner that you can hit to shut down the thin client [05:45] and that didn't appear to affect the server. [05:45] oh, I'll have to recheck tomorrow then [05:45] I also thought maybe hibernate was an option because this is a laptop I'm PXE booting from. [05:45] maybe he did something diff [05:45] brb [05:46] Now if he was logged in from the server however, there is a restart and shutdown option. [05:49] indeed [05:49] but he wasn't === mhz does not let anyone touch the server [05:53] well I guess Dapper isn't so battle tested [05:54] CuriousG: hmm, so it seems now [05:54] but, we'll see, Maybe it is a foolish thing we are missing [05:55] I don't even understand the directions that were given for the 2 NIC setup [05:56] mhz: yep, TT needed me, but he's safely (and exhaustedly) in bed now :) [05:56] I'm able to surf with the thin clients without making changes [05:56] yet it talks about changing some files [05:58] HedgeMage: and you are happy he is exhausted for next 4 or 6 hours :D [05:59] it is just too incredible how fast the can recharge energies! [06:00] mhz: yep :) === bimberi [n=bimberi@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.bimberi] has joined #edubuntu [06:01] bimberi, any new insight as to my problem? [06:01] CuriousG: where do you see the hibernate option? [06:02] When you click the door at the top right corner [06:02] Obviously if you're running a desktop it shouldn't matter but this is from a thin client [06:03] and when doing that it appears to hibernate but at the same time it'll hibernate the server to the point it shuts it off. [06:03] Then when you turn the server back on, it'll come back up from where you left off. [06:03] hm, i only have Logout, Switch User and Lock Screen. However my server is still at about Dapper Beta 2. [06:04] I'm running release [06:04] and I've updated [06:04] also ran easyubuntu [06:04] so unless something there changed it. === HedgeMage wonders if CuriousG's nick is a reference to a mischievous monkey in a red T-shirt === CuriousG but of course. [06:04] i think there was some last minute fiddling with the logout dialog - not edubuntu specific afaik === HedgeMage grins at CuriousG [06:04] nice :) [06:04] then again that was before they made a stupid movie out of it... had that nick for over a decade. [06:05] I never knew there was a movie... my brother loved the books as a kid and introduced my son to them :) [06:05] I think it came out last year [06:05] ahh [06:05] I missed it [06:05] avoid it at all costs [06:05] lol that bad? [06:06] yep [06:06] never watched it. [06:07] anyway I don't even know what the correct way of setting up the DHCP server so if I hooked up a Windows computer, they're able to surf through the edubuntu server. [06:07] using 2 NICs [06:07] Seems to work fine for clients [06:07] you need to bind the dhcp server to one of the nics [06:08] let me try this again... it gets DHCP info but apparantly it isn't working the way I want it to === mhz is now known as mhz_work [06:08] I tried different dhcpd.conf options [06:09] the eth1 NIC is the one to the Internet and that one is doing it by DHCP [06:09] and eth0 is static [06:09] private IP [06:09] that is correct [06:09] now you need a dhcp server on eth0, for the clients [06:09] why was there all this fuss on some doc page I found if you have two NICs it tells you to do all this other stuff? [06:09] then clean it up [06:09] that is how it is done [06:10] If I knew what I was doing, I wouldn't need the help :) [06:10] actually dhcpd is working for eth0 [06:11] indeed === LaserJock loved Curious George as a kid [06:11] what should the dhcpd.conf settings be. [06:11] Burgundavia: I read the spec...Cape Town to South Africa ? [06:12] mhz_work: too late :P [06:12] mhz_work: fixed it [06:12] it shouldn't all point back to the server IP? [06:12] for what? [06:12] like option domain-name-server and routers? [06:13] router I tried my router and it didn't work [06:13] no idea, I have never installed Edubuntu [06:13] dns pointed to the same thing [06:13] which is what windows client gets [06:13] Burgundavia: hehehe, sorry, I had like 20 tabs, so I read them all from 1st to last :) [06:14] mhz_work: no worries === mhz_work refreshes cache now [06:15] CuriousG: i don't think an edubuntu server is set up to do NAT by default [06:16] Which is what this document mentioned [06:16] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ThinClientHowtoNAT [06:16] I thought it was just old [06:16] hm, no idea === Burgundavia kicks mhz_work [06:16] I don't have an /etc/network/option file for one [06:16] options that is [06:16] mhz_work: your edubuntu docs are out of date on teh wiki. Clean them up [06:19] So it leaves me back to where I was. Still don't know why the hibernate doesn't work. [06:19] CuriousG: i find that page confusing. if you're on a thin client you're logged into the server. So if the server has access to the internet so would anyone logged into it. [06:19] try the mailing list [06:20] Burgundavia: which? all? [06:20] mhz_work: there are outdated docs on the wiki, please get rid of them [06:20] then why would you need to do thin client NAT? [06:20] Burgundavia: okis [06:20] I think my proxy needs a better name than WillowNG. :P === bimberi visualises Burgundavia wielding a rolling-pin [06:20] bimberi: I prefer a shovel, really [06:20] And soon, before I have to change it in 20,000 places. [06:20] lol [06:20] then I can bury the evidence afterwards [06:21] All the ltsp implementations have 2 NICs. So I'm wondering why the getting started doc doesn't cover the two NIC setup. [06:21] rather than just one. [06:21] I blame highvoltage [06:22] I'm not on k12ltsp because I don't want to download 4-5 CDs just to install it. [06:22] indeed [06:23] skolelinux I had some issues with and their recommended server, thin-client server setup [06:23] highvoltage wrote the docs [06:23] CuriousG: try the edubuntu mailing list [06:23] I'd like to think these are all simple questions that many people will run into [06:23] I was looking in the archives [06:24] likely they are [06:24] CuriousG: you could try firestarter, it provides a gui to setup NAT [06:24] did find the answer to something I had an issue when I changed the IP address. [06:24] this is only the 2nd release of edubuntu, so the docs are not their yet [06:24] firestarter? Link? [06:24] !info firestarter [06:24] firestarter: (gtk program for managing and observing your firewall), section universe/admin, is optional. Version: 1.0.3-1.1ubuntu1 (breezy), Packaged size: 384 kB, Installed size: 1904 kB [06:25] Burgundavia: Any ideas for a name for WillowNG? :) [06:25] smeg! - now that it's unused [06:25] Amaranth: was thinking myself. But listening to the Bloodhound Gang was leading to all sort of innappropriate ideas [06:25] Haha. [06:25] Don't want to go through that again. :) [06:26] :) [06:26] HoneyComb I guess gives the wrong idea [06:26] It's full of holes! [06:27] SewageTreatmentPlant also might be bad, although it is getting the filtering idea [06:28] I say dangdittydangdittydangdittyditty [06:28] Amaranth: call it mordor [06:28] hehe [06:29] :) [06:29] the all seeing eye of sauron? :) [06:29] yeah! [06:29] even better: sauron [06:29] or TheEye [06:30] "This proxy sees it all, lets it all in, but not all goes out" [06:30] I guess a cricketing reference is too obscure for many (willow is used to make cricket bats) [06:31] isn't there a castle at the edge of mordor, with gates? [06:31] the black gate? [06:31] ya, that got another name? [06:32] kill bill? [06:32] lol [06:33] hmm, Willow is Saliko in Esperanto [06:33] that is nice name [06:33] Burgundavia: Nope, it's just "Black Gate" [06:33] hmm, saliko [06:33] abusing foreign languages for project names is what i'm good at :) [06:33] (pymusique, libmusik, alacarte, etc) :) [06:33] Isenguard ? [06:34] Amaranth: what is the 3 words to sum up your proxy? [06:34] bimberi: too common [06:34] mhz_work: No idea. :) [06:34] LaserJock: yeah, that was a very tricky fast joke [06:34] I could name it sieve. ;) [06:34] note the LOTR spelling is isengard [06:34] might get the wrong idea [06:34] it leaks like a sieve? [06:35] NetQA [06:35] hehe [06:35] that reminds me [06:35] he [06:35] sweet, I have bad touch (the discovery channel song) by the Bloodhound Gang [06:35] boring [06:35] How about PimpNG [06:35] i accidently left it running for about 4 hours, was using 1.6MB of writable memory (the closest thing to actual memory usage) [06:35] eeek [06:36] apparently it leaked .2MB over 4 hours [06:36] because on a fresh start it's only using 1.4MB [06:36] that might be an issue [06:36] although i removed a couple print statements in between [06:36] so who knows [06:37] i'll leave it running overnight refreshing firefox's BBC RSS feed === LaserJock is now known as Laser_away [06:37] Amaranth: I expect a package asap, so we can test it [06:37] speaking of firefox, how do you setup firefox so that every user will have the same theme and installed extensions? [06:38] CuriousG: you need the CCK [06:38] ? [06:38] http://www.mozilla.org/projects/cck/firefox/ [06:38] thanks [06:38] some of the extensions are also packaged, so you can push those down [06:39] CuriousG: hmm, that might not work [06:39] this applies for all OS platforms? [06:39] uh [06:39] oh [06:39] then I don't know [06:40] I was talking about for edubuntu but it'd be nice for WinX also [06:40] oh, it's not leaking [06:40] it's just staying at a certain max [06:41] so if i do something that causes it to use 20MB it'll stick at 20MB, i guess === Amaranth smacks python [06:42] pyllow [06:42] because i queue the entire file before sending it to the browser (so i can check it) [06:42] and when i set filter_data back to '' (blank string) it creates a new string [06:43] apparently the memory used by the old one is kept by python [06:44] bimberi: boring [06:44] that's me :P [06:45] StoolStopper [06:52] arg [06:52] i'll stab it with gc.DEBUG_LEAK tomorrow [06:52] i just made it go up to 2MB === dan_young [n=dan_youn@216.99.212.102] has joined #edubuntu === cbx33 [n=pete@ubuntu/member/cbx33] has joined #edubuntu [06:54] mornin all [06:55] hey cbx33 [06:57] hehe, and with a major stress test i couldn't get it over 1.9MB [06:57] hi Burgundavia, Amaranth [06:57] i bookmarked about 15 sites, cleared the firefox cache, restarted the proxy, and opened all the sites at once [06:59] hey cbx33 [07:00] hi mhz_work [07:00] Amaranth, sound like it's going good? [07:00] more or less [07:01] heheh [07:02] I'm somewhat here... highlight me if you want my attention :) [07:04] eeek! this is freak! [07:05] OT: a site to place claims agression caused by women to men in colombia! http://www.lamma.com.co/ === bimberi [n=bimberi@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.bimberi] has joined #edubuntu === sankarshan [n=sankarsh@202.41.228.162] has joined #edubuntu === mhz_work is now known as mhz_zZzZ === pygi [n=pygi@83-131-236-110.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu === HedgeMage peeks in [08:34] hey HedgeMage [08:36] hi pygi [08:36] how are you? :) === Lintunen [n=Lintunen@175.112.lpoy.fi] has joined #edubuntu === shankr [n=shanat@59.92.116.100] has joined #edubuntu [08:40] pygi: thanking the DYC for imap [08:41] pygi: at least when the lappy tanked, I didn't lose my email or its organization [08:41] holy crap [08:41] I think I just finally ended the automatix-easyubuntu flamewar. [08:42] Amaranth, how? what? when? why? and what? :) [08:43] I made ubotu say the same thing for both of them and (hopefully) setup a policy where if you start talking about them, get send the ubotu factoid, and keep talking about them you get a +q. [08:43] Pretty simple, really. [08:44] http://www.edubuntu.org/images/runltsconf.png this is not working for me :7 [08:44] oh, crap [08:44] HedgeMage, eh [08:44] Python never returns freed RAM to the OS, it always holds on to it in case it's needed agan. [08:45] So if for some odd reason my proxy were to peak at 120MB usage it would stay that way. [08:45] I guess I need to ditch the threads and go to forking. [08:46] How you activate in terminal local usb drive to work? === HedgeMage contemplates tea [08:47] Amaranth: at least this is a good point to find these things out (rather than post-release) [08:47] yeah, although i already knew this one :P [08:47] Lintunen: I don't know that it is possible, but I'm the least-LTSP-knowledgeable person here, so bug ogra or someone before you give up [08:47] I just haven't written any long-running Python projects in awhile. [08:49] Now that's _cool_. === anamaria [n=anamaria@p23.pub.ro] has joined #edubuntu [08:49] Watching it fork in gnome-system-monitor while loading a page, then watching it go back to 1.4MB usage when the page is done. [08:49] hello [08:49] help gnome-panel doesn't start [08:50] Lintunen, what exactly doesn't work? Starting gedit?? [08:50]