[12:06] <pygi> Amaranth, doing implementation? :)
[12:06] <Amaranth> yeah
[12:06] <Amaranth> i actually didn't do anything to make https work, it just did :)
[12:07] <pygi> great ;)
[12:07] <pygi> Now if only all would just work :P
[12:28] <Amaranth> whee
[12:28] <Amaranth> my bank works and logging into ubuntuforums works
[12:28] <Amaranth> now to make my bank a 'bad' site :)
[12:29] <Burgwork> Amaranth, http://www.firefoxflicks.com/flick/index.php?sort=pop&id=19542&c=false
[12:29] <Burgwork> Amaranth, you already have that much up for the the proxy?
[12:30] <Amaranth> yeah
[12:30] <Amaranth> it's not hard
[12:30] <Amaranth> the hard stuff is non-compiant servers and corner cases
[12:30] <Amaranth> non-compliant
[12:30] <Burgwork> yep
[12:31] <Burgwork> you planning to implement the PICS stuff?
[12:32] <Amaranth> maybe
[12:32] <Amaranth> if i have time
[12:32] <Burgwork> it can be done later
[12:32] <Amaranth> it's not a main priority though
[12:32] <Burgwork> PICS is a joke, tbh
[12:47] <Amaranth> hmm, Kipina seems to be a common package installed on systems that get and error running alacarte
[12:49] <Amaranth> nope, wrong again
[12:49] <Amaranth> :/
[01:26] <bddebian> Heya folks
[01:40] <Lord_Athur> hi all
[01:40] <bddebian> Hello Lord_Athur
[01:41] <Lord_Athur> hi bddebian  , I've got a new keyborad, it's connected to the computer with my usb card, but grub doesn't detect it, what can i do?
[01:41] <Burgwork> Lord_Athur, It is likely yoru bios, not grub
[01:42] <Lord_Athur> but i can get inside the bios options with this keyboard
[01:43] <Burgwork> hmm, that is odd
[01:43] <Burgwork> the best solution I have for you is to go back to your other keyboard
[01:45] <Lord_Athur> jajaja
[01:46] <Lord_Athur> I spent much money on it- not very much but could have gotten a good book with it-
[01:46] <Lord_Athur> Burgwork, Bus 001 Device 003: ID 0a81:0101 Chesen Electronics Corp. Keyboard
[01:48] <Burgwork> it is likely that Ubuntu will work once booted, but grub might be an issue
[01:49] <Burgwork> file a bug too
[01:50] <Lord_Athur> ok
[02:22] <Amaranth> crap i broke https
[02:23] <Amaranth> heh, goofy bug
[04:19] <mhz> jsgotangco: cover your mouth
[04:19] <mhz> ;)
[04:19] <mhz> jsgotangco: NL will be out when?
[04:20] <jsgotangco> mhz: we're consolidating with the ubuntu/kubuntu/xubuntu probably this weekend
[04:21] <jsgotangco> edgy just opened so its news
[04:21] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco: colidating?
[04:21] <mhz> jsgotangco: next week's NL could I include a mini article about the Rrle of Edubuntu and its potential/base for a variation to consolidate for Latinamerican schools?
[04:21] <mhz> rolr
[04:21] <mhz> rolrrole
[04:21] <mhz> duh!!!
[04:21] <mhz> r o l e
[04:22] <jsgotangco> if you could provide a link, we'll include it
[04:22] <jsgotangco> mhz: well i woke up around 4am for the meeting then slept 1 1/2 hours more before going to work
[04:23] <mhz> jsgotangco: i ask because it will be related to FET, too. One of FET Libre 2006 objectives is to promote Edubuntu in LA
[04:23] <mhz> jsgotangco: ooh, yeah, I remember you were at a corner
[04:24] <jsgotangco> sounds cool, when would you be able to finish it?
[04:24] <mhz> I will start it on Sunday, while my daughter sleeps and my wife snores :D
[04:25] <mhz> poster size :D
[04:25] <mhz> and just finihsed the desging for t-shirt
[04:26] <jsgotangco> mm i always get a heartwarming feeling whenever i start my kubuntu station and i get a segfault :/
[04:26] <mhz> lol
[04:28] <mhz> I had to make a difficult decision while ago (5 months) for this thin laptop: Either I kept just 1 heavy desktop and many lighter ones, OR I would kill have to live with slowliness (considering I have to use lots of OOO. 
[04:28] <mhz> so, I have never used KDE since then
[04:28] <mhz> only GNOME once a week, to see what's new and NO OOO in parallel
[04:29] <mhz> and the rest of the fays, from Fluxbox, to Wmaker to Xubuntu
[04:29] <mhz> days
[04:29] <jsgotangco> i would understand you, XFCE is fast
[04:29] <jsgotangco> especially thunar
[04:29] <mhz> yeah
[04:29] <mhz> lovely thunar
[04:30] <mhz> 'basilico' i guess it is called
[04:30] <mhz> well, Daniele Favara is coming to FET
[04:32] <mhz> and so is the guy from Bolivia, the one who needs dvd but has no web connection
[04:33] <Burgundavia> mhz: have you tried dapper on that thing? it is much much lighter
[04:33] <mhz> that i amusing
[04:33] <mhz> that I am using
[04:33] <mhz> :D
[04:33] <Burgundavia> my desktop machine went from 230+ mb on a cold boot to 130+
[04:33] <mhz> Burgundavia: much faster, less battery (default settings)
[04:33] <Burgundavia> you mean you get less battery life?
[04:33] <mhz> yeah
[04:33] <mhz> i mean
[04:34] <Burgundavia> I get crap battery life in general
[04:34] <Burgundavia> nice to create a spec about battery life
[04:34] <mhz> I unplug it and it lasts less, using same desktop, compared to breezy
[04:34] <mhz> lol
[04:35] <Burgundavia> I will create a spec now
[04:36] <mhz> thx
[04:36] <mhz> +1
[04:36] <mhz> though, I can't wait to see Edubuntu on PDA's
[04:36] <mhz> more especifically, in ARMs
[04:37] <mhz> anyways, those are not needed specs right now, so I close the idea ;)
[04:37] <mhz> BTW, since I got back here, I unplugged the AC and now I get 2 more mins. of battery
[04:38] <mhz> while, I used to have at least 80 minutes with breezy
[04:44] <Burgundavia> mhz: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReducedPowerUsage
[04:45] <Burgundavia> fyi, the 2nd use case is my fathers, when he worked in the Seychelles
[04:45] <mhz> Burgundavia: thx.. I'll plug back the AC and will tab it
[04:49] <CuriousG> I have a problem with the hibernate option when exiting from a thin client
[04:49] <CuriousG> It appears to hibernate the whole server so it shuts it off
[04:50] <CuriousG> I assume that isn't supposed to happen.
[04:55] <bimberi> CuriousG: is this for a privileged user (ie. sudo access) or anyone?
[04:58] <mhz> Burgundavia: you use/like Moin?
[04:58] <Burgundavia> mhz: yes and no
[04:58] <mhz> Burgundavia: lol
[04:59] <mhz> Burgundavia and guys, just to show off more Moin power:
[04:59] <mhz> Java and Moin: http://www.slec.net/AmbientesVirtualesdeAprendizaje
[04:59] <mhz> Mind Maps, very needed by schools
[05:00] <bimberi> "a plane from Cape Town to South Africa" ?
[05:00] <Burgundavia> bimberi: right, that would be my bad
[05:01] <bimberi> Burgundavia: kk, pedantry over :P
[05:02] <Burgundavia> bimberi: no worries, I fixed it
[05:02] <mhz> Burgundavia: and Moin and Latex and GNUPLOT, http://www.slec.net/ExtensionesMoinSlec
[05:03] <mhz> HedgeMage: sure!
[05:03] <mhz> edubuntu needs edu-contents ;)
[05:10] <LaserJock> woah, did somebody say gnuplot?!
[05:12] <mhz> LaserJock: yup
[05:12] <mhz> that was an example of Moin and Gnuplot
[05:13] <mhz> Moin rocks
[05:13] <mhz> it is just that you need to learn to love it
[05:14] <Burgundavia> mhz: moin has serious issues
[05:14] <LaserJock> gnuplot rocks, I'm not so sure about Moin ;-) j/k
[05:15] <LaserJock> wow, that is very cool though, my boss would flip if he saw that
[05:16] <mhz> LaserJock: it can do lots more, if you let it so.
[05:16] <HedgeMage> brb mommy duty
[05:16] <mhz> Burgundavia: serious?
[05:16] <mhz> HedgeMage: TT?
[05:17] <Burgundavia> mhz: moin sucks for teams which do not already have a method of community. It sucks for presentation docs.
[05:18] <mhz> Burgundavia: oh, I see. You mean you have even seen the Moin SlideShow plugin with my CSS?
[05:18] <Burgundavia> that might be nice, can we get it on the help wiki?
[05:18] <mhz> sure!
[05:18] <Burgundavia> it doesn't solve the issue that moin sucks for communication
[05:19] <mhz> Burgundavia: well, yeah. If you have a team with no clear communication policies, it may not be the best choice
[05:19] <Burgundavia> which makes it bad for docs, because you tend to get lots of people helping out at random
[05:19] <mhz> Burgundavia: now I see why you say that
[05:19] <Burgundavia> look at wikipedia
[05:20] <LaserJock> does mediawiki make that easier? and how?
[05:20] <Burgundavia> there is a clear discussion page with every doc
[05:20] <mhz> Burgundavia: it is the approach that is different
[05:20] <Burgundavia> yep
[05:20] <mhz> Moin has been built upon the concept of "build it as you wish"
[05:20] <Burgundavia> moin is great for developers, not for users
[05:21] <mhz> Mediawiki was built upon the concept of we give you all this, you get the rest if you can
[05:21] <mhz> :)
[05:21] <Burgundavia> mediawiki is built to create a community and have presentation docs, moin is not
[05:23] <mhz> yup
[05:23] <mhz> " we give you all this"
[05:25] <mhz> Burgundavia: maybe you have seen this idea. This is good for Help pages, for example.
[05:25] <mhz> http://mhz.homelinux.org/somework/EmacsCommands
[05:25] <mhz> and then select MoreAction -> SlideShow
[05:25] <mhz> and go to at least Slide #5 to see it working
[05:26] <Burgundavia> shiny, but too hard to get into
[05:26] <Burgundavia> I want a slideshow on a page by default
[05:26] <mhz> no problem!
[05:26] <mhz> I can do that too :D
[05:27] <mhz> Burgundavia: I can easily make this the default page: http://mhz.homelinux.org/somework/EmacsCommands?action=SlideShow
[05:28] <mhz> Burgundavia: this is why  we do not use Mediawiki: http://linux.lcampino.cl/wiki/index.php?title=Matematicas_Libre&action=history
[05:29] <mhz> and I should have only seen this instead: http://linux.lcampino.cl/wiki/index.php?title=Matematicas_Libre
[05:32] <mhz> ohhh, nothing to do but, we should have some sort of statistics to know how many schools/ teachers/ students/ pcs/ etc we have running edubuntu
[05:32] <mhz> In Colombia, a friend of mine has this: http://estadisticas.slec.net/ejemplos
[05:33] <CuriousG> bimberi, this is a regular user I created under users and group.  I even chose the "Default" profile the one that says "Unprivileged" under the comment section.
[05:34] <CuriousG> I thought at first it was because I was using the first account that was created then I created another one using Desktop profile and same thing and now created the Default and still same thing.  It just shuts down the server.  If I turn it back on, it comes back to where I was shut down if I had logged in already.
[05:37] <mhz> CuriousG: hmmm, now thatr you mention it...
[05:37] <mhz> IIRC, I had same issue yesterday night
[05:38] <mhz> when leaving the LAB
[05:38] <mhz> I was on the phone and one friend was testing a client. Then he shutdowns his client and when I got back to the server it was already down too!
[05:38] <mhz> NOW I get it
[05:39] <mhz> CuriousG: yes, it is big issue, indeed!
[05:41] <CuriousG> I don't have the shutdown problem if you click on the light switch from thin client after you log off.
[05:41] <CuriousG> But hibernate shut down the server.  I was just wondering if it was just me or some setting in the BIOS I needed to tweak.
[05:42] <CuriousG> Surely don't want kids to mess with something like that.
[05:43] <mhz> CuriousG: my issue was my friend did not log out his session, he chose 'shutdown' from Client side 
[05:44] <mhz> that is huge issue
[05:44] <CuriousG> I don't have a shutdown option from client.  There is a log off though.
[05:45] <CuriousG> Then after you log off and get the login screen, there is a light switch on the bottom left corner that you can hit to shut down the thin client
[05:45] <CuriousG> and that didn't appear to affect the server.
[05:45] <mhz> oh, I'll have to recheck tomorrow then
[05:45] <CuriousG> I also thought maybe hibernate was an option because this is a laptop I'm PXE booting from.
[05:45] <mhz> maybe he did something diff
[05:45] <bimberi> brb
[05:46] <CuriousG> Now if he was logged in from the server however, there is a restart and shutdown option.
[05:49] <mhz> indeed
[05:49] <mhz> but he wasn't
[05:53] <CuriousG> well I guess Dapper isn't so battle tested
[05:54] <mhz> CuriousG: hmm, so it seems now
[05:54] <mhz> but, we'll see, Maybe it is a foolish thing we are missing
[05:55] <CuriousG> I don't even understand the directions that were given for the 2 NIC setup
[05:56] <HedgeMage> mhz: yep, TT needed me, but he's safely (and exhaustedly) in bed now :)
[05:56] <CuriousG> I'm able to surf with the thin clients without making changes
[05:56] <CuriousG> yet it talks about changing some files
[05:58] <mhz> HedgeMage: and you are happy he is exhausted for next 4 or 6 hours :D
[05:59] <mhz> it is just too incredible how fast the can recharge energies!
[06:00] <HedgeMage> mhz: yep :)
[06:01] <CuriousG> bimberi, any new insight as to my problem?
[06:01] <bimberi> CuriousG: where do you see the hibernate option?
[06:02] <CuriousG> When you click the door at the top right corner
[06:02] <CuriousG> Obviously if you're running a desktop it shouldn't matter but this is from a thin client
[06:03] <CuriousG> and when doing that it appears to hibernate but at the same time it'll hibernate the server to the point it shuts it off.
[06:03] <CuriousG> Then when you turn the server back on, it'll come back up from where you left off.
[06:03] <bimberi> hm, i only have Logout, Switch User and Lock Screen.  However my server is still at about Dapper Beta 2.
[06:04] <CuriousG> I'm running release
[06:04] <CuriousG> and I've updated
[06:04] <CuriousG> also ran easyubuntu
[06:04] <CuriousG> so unless something there changed it.
[06:04] <bimberi> i think there was some last minute fiddling with the logout dialog - not edubuntu specific afaik
[06:04] <HedgeMage> nice :)
[06:04] <CuriousG> then again that was before they made a stupid movie out of it... had that nick for over a decade.
[06:05] <HedgeMage> I never knew there was a movie... my brother loved the books as a kid and introduced my son to them :)
[06:05] <CuriousG> I think it came out last year
[06:05] <HedgeMage> ahh
[06:05] <HedgeMage> I missed it
[06:05] <Burgundavia> avoid it at all costs
[06:05] <HedgeMage> lol that bad?
[06:06] <Burgundavia> yep
[06:06] <CuriousG> never watched it.
[06:07] <CuriousG> anyway I don't even know what the correct way of setting up the DHCP server so if I hooked up a Windows computer, they're able to surf through the edubuntu server.
[06:07] <CuriousG> using 2 NICs
[06:07] <CuriousG> Seems to work fine for clients
[06:07] <Burgundavia> you need to bind the dhcp server to one of the nics
[06:08] <CuriousG> let me try this again... it gets DHCP info but apparantly it isn't working the way I want it to
[06:08] <CuriousG> I tried different dhcpd.conf options
[06:09] <CuriousG> the eth1 NIC is the one to the Internet and that one is doing it by DHCP
[06:09] <CuriousG> and eth0 is static
[06:09] <CuriousG> private IP
[06:09] <Burgundavia> that is correct
[06:09] <Burgundavia> now you need a dhcp server on eth0, for the clients
[06:09] <CuriousG> why was there all this fuss on some doc page I found if you have two NICs it tells you to do all this other stuff?
[06:09] <Burgundavia> then clean it up
[06:09] <CuriousG> that is how it is done
[06:10] <CuriousG> If I knew what I was doing, I wouldn't need the help :)
[06:10] <CuriousG> actually dhcpd is working for eth0
[06:11] <Burgundavia> indeed
[06:11] <CuriousG> what should the dhcpd.conf settings be.
[06:11] <mhz_work> Burgundavia: I read the spec...Cape Town to South Africa ?
[06:12] <bimberi> mhz_work: too late :P
[06:12] <Burgundavia> mhz_work: fixed it
[06:12] <CuriousG> it shouldn't all point back to the server IP?
[06:12] <Burgundavia> for what?
[06:12] <CuriousG> like option domain-name-server and routers?
[06:13] <CuriousG> router I tried my router and it didn't work
[06:13] <Burgundavia> no idea, I have never installed Edubuntu
[06:13] <CuriousG> dns pointed to the same thing
[06:13] <CuriousG> which is what windows client gets
[06:13] <mhz_work> Burgundavia: hehehe, sorry, I had like 20 tabs, so I read them all from 1st to last :)
[06:14] <Burgundavia> mhz_work: no worries
[06:15] <bimberi> CuriousG: i don't think an edubuntu server is set up to do NAT by default
[06:16] <CuriousG> Which is what this document mentioned
[06:16] <CuriousG> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ThinClientHowtoNAT
[06:16] <CuriousG> I thought it was just old
[06:16] <Burgundavia> hm, no idea
[06:16] <CuriousG> I don't have an /etc/network/option file for one
[06:16] <CuriousG> options that is
[06:16] <Burgundavia> mhz_work: your edubuntu docs are out of date on teh wiki. Clean them up
[06:19] <CuriousG> So it leaves me back to where I was.  Still don't know why the hibernate doesn't work.
[06:19] <bimberi> CuriousG: i find that page confusing.  if you're on a thin client you're logged into the server.  So if the server has access to the internet so would anyone logged into it.
[06:19] <Burgundavia> try the mailing list
[06:20] <mhz_work> Burgundavia: which? all?
[06:20] <Burgundavia> mhz_work: there are outdated docs on the wiki, please get rid of them
[06:20] <CuriousG> then why would you need to do thin client NAT?
[06:20] <mhz_work> Burgundavia: okis
[06:20] <Amaranth> I think my proxy needs a better name than WillowNG. :P
[06:20] <Burgundavia> bimberi: I prefer a shovel, really
[06:20] <Amaranth> And soon, before I have to change it in 20,000 places.
[06:20] <bimberi> lol
[06:20] <Burgundavia> then I can bury the evidence afterwards
[06:21] <CuriousG> All the ltsp implementations have 2 NICs.  So I'm wondering why the getting started doc doesn't cover the two NIC setup.
[06:21] <CuriousG> rather than just one.
[06:21] <Burgundavia> I blame highvoltage
[06:22] <CuriousG> I'm not on k12ltsp because I don't want to download 4-5 CDs just to install it.
[06:22] <Burgundavia> indeed
[06:23] <CuriousG> skolelinux I had some issues with and their recommended server, thin-client server setup
[06:23] <Burgundavia> highvoltage wrote the docs
[06:23] <Burgundavia> CuriousG: try the edubuntu mailing list
[06:23] <CuriousG> I'd like to think these are all simple questions that many people will run into
[06:23] <CuriousG> I was looking in the archives
[06:24] <Burgundavia> likely they are
[06:24] <bimberi> CuriousG: you could try firestarter, it provides a gui to setup NAT
[06:24] <CuriousG> did find the answer to something I had an issue when I changed the IP address.
[06:24] <Burgundavia> this is only the 2nd release of edubuntu, so the docs are not their yet
[06:24] <CuriousG> firestarter?  Link?
[06:24] <bimberi> !info firestarter
[06:24] <ubotu> firestarter: (gtk program for managing and observing your firewall), section universe/admin, is optional. Version: 1.0.3-1.1ubuntu1 (breezy), Packaged size: 384 kB, Installed size: 1904 kB
[06:25] <Amaranth> Burgundavia: Any ideas for a name for WillowNG? :)
[06:25] <bimberi> smeg! - now that it's unused
[06:25] <Burgundavia> Amaranth: was thinking myself. But listening to the Bloodhound Gang was leading to all sort of innappropriate ideas
[06:25] <Amaranth> Haha.
[06:25] <Amaranth> Don't want to go through that again. :)
[06:26] <bimberi> :)
[06:26] <Burgundavia> HoneyComb I guess gives the wrong idea
[06:26] <Amaranth> It's full of holes!
[06:27] <Burgundavia> SewageTreatmentPlant also might be bad, although it is getting the filtering idea
[06:28] <CuriousG> I say dangdittydangdittydangdittyditty
[06:28] <mhz_work> Amaranth: call it mordor
[06:28] <Amaranth> hehe
[06:29] <mhz_work> :)
[06:29] <Amaranth> the all seeing eye of sauron? :)
[06:29] <mhz_work> yeah!
[06:29] <mhz_work> even better: sauron
[06:29] <mhz_work> or TheEye
[06:30] <mhz_work> "This proxy sees it all, lets it all in, but not all goes out"
[06:30] <bimberi> I guess a cricketing reference is too obscure for many (willow is used to make cricket bats)
[06:31] <Burgundavia> isn't there a castle at the edge of mordor, with gates?
[06:31] <Amaranth> the black gate?
[06:31] <Burgundavia> ya, that got another name?
[06:32] <mhz_work> kill bill?
[06:32] <LaserJock> lol
[06:33] <Burgundavia> hmm, Willow is Saliko in Esperanto
[06:33] <Burgundavia> that is nice name
[06:33] <Amaranth> Burgundavia: Nope, it's just "Black Gate"
[06:33] <Amaranth> hmm, saliko
[06:33] <Amaranth> abusing foreign languages for project names is what i'm good at :)
[06:33] <Amaranth> (pymusique, libmusik, alacarte, etc) :)
[06:33] <bimberi> Isenguard ?
[06:34] <mhz_work> Amaranth: what is the 3 words to sum up your proxy?
[06:34] <Burgundavia> bimberi: too common
[06:34] <Amaranth> mhz_work: No idea. :)
[06:34] <mhz_work> LaserJock: yeah, that was a very tricky fast joke
[06:34] <Amaranth> I could name it sieve. ;)
[06:34] <bimberi> note the LOTR spelling is isengard
[06:34] <Burgundavia> might get the wrong idea
[06:34] <Amaranth> it leaks like a sieve?
[06:35] <bimberi> NetQA
[06:35] <Amaranth> hehe
[06:35] <Amaranth> that reminds me
[06:35] <mhz_work> he
[06:35] <Burgundavia> sweet, I have bad touch (the discovery channel song) by the Bloodhound Gang
[06:35] <Burgundavia> boring
[06:35] <mhz_work> How about PimpNG
[06:35] <Amaranth> i accidently left it running for about 4 hours, was using 1.6MB of writable memory (the closest thing to actual memory usage)
[06:35] <mhz_work> eeek
[06:36] <Amaranth> apparently it leaked .2MB over 4 hours
[06:36] <Amaranth> because on a fresh start it's only using 1.4MB
[06:36] <Burgundavia> that might be an issue
[06:36] <Amaranth> although i removed a couple print statements in between
[06:36] <Amaranth> so who knows
[06:37] <Amaranth> i'll leave it running overnight refreshing firefox's BBC RSS feed
[06:37] <Burgundavia> Amaranth: I expect a package asap, so we can test it
[06:37] <CuriousG> speaking of firefox, how do you setup firefox so that every user will have the same theme and installed extensions?
[06:38] <Burgundavia> CuriousG: you need the CCK
[06:38] <CuriousG> ?
[06:38] <Burgundavia> http://www.mozilla.org/projects/cck/firefox/
[06:38] <CuriousG> thanks
[06:38] <Burgundavia> some of the extensions are also packaged, so you can push those down
[06:39] <Burgundavia> CuriousG: hmm, that might not work
[06:39] <CuriousG> this applies for all OS platforms?
[06:39] <CuriousG> uh
[06:39] <CuriousG> oh
[06:39] <Burgundavia> then I don't know
[06:40] <CuriousG> I was talking about for edubuntu but it'd be nice for WinX also
[06:40] <Amaranth> oh, it's not leaking
[06:40] <Amaranth> it's just staying at a certain max
[06:41] <Amaranth> so if i do something that causes it to use 20MB it'll stick at 20MB, i guess
[06:42] <bimberi> pyllow
[06:42] <Amaranth> because i queue the entire file before sending it to the browser (so i can check it)
[06:42] <Amaranth> and when i set filter_data back to '' (blank string) it creates a new string
[06:43] <Amaranth> apparently the memory used by the old one is kept by python
[06:44] <Burgundavia> bimberi: boring
[06:44] <bimberi> that's me :P
[06:45] <bimberi> StoolStopper
[06:52] <Amaranth> arg
[06:52] <Amaranth> i'll stab it with gc.DEBUG_LEAK tomorrow
[06:52] <Amaranth> i just made it go up to 2MB
[06:54] <cbx33> mornin all
[06:55] <Burgundavia> hey cbx33
[06:57] <Amaranth> hehe, and with a major stress test i couldn't get it over 1.9MB
[06:57] <cbx33> hi Burgundavia, Amaranth 
[06:57] <Amaranth> i bookmarked about 15 sites, cleared the firefox cache, restarted the proxy, and opened all the sites at once
[06:59] <mhz_work> hey cbx33 
[07:00] <cbx33> hi mhz_work 
[07:00] <cbx33> Amaranth, sound like it's going good?
[07:00] <Amaranth> more or less
[07:01] <cbx33> heheh
[07:02] <HedgeMage> I'm somewhat here... highlight me if you want my attention :)
[07:04] <mhz_work> eeek! this is freak!
[07:05] <mhz_work> OT: a site to place claims agression caused by women to men in colombia! http://www.lamma.com.co/
[08:34] <pygi> hey HedgeMage 
[08:36] <HedgeMage> hi pygi 
[08:36] <pygi> how are you? :)
[08:40] <HedgeMage> pygi: thanking the DYC for imap
[08:41] <HedgeMage> pygi: at least when the lappy tanked, I didn't lose my email or its organization
[08:41] <Amaranth> holy crap
[08:41] <Amaranth> I think I just finally ended the automatix-easyubuntu flamewar.
[08:42] <pygi> Amaranth, how? what? when? why? and what? :)
[08:43] <Amaranth> I made ubotu say the same thing for both of them and (hopefully) setup a policy where if you start talking about them, get send the ubotu factoid, and keep talking about them you get a +q.
[08:43] <Amaranth> Pretty simple, really.
[08:44] <Lintunen> http://www.edubuntu.org/images/runltsconf.png   this is not working for me :7
[08:44] <Amaranth> oh, crap
[08:44] <pygi> HedgeMage, eh
[08:44] <Amaranth> Python never returns freed RAM to the OS, it always holds on to it in case it's needed agan.
[08:45] <Amaranth> So if for some odd reason my proxy were to peak at 120MB usage it would stay that way.
[08:45] <Amaranth> I guess I need to ditch the threads and go to forking.
[08:46] <Lintunen> How you activate in terminal local usb drive to work?
[08:47] <bimberi> Amaranth: at least this is a good point to find these things out (rather than post-release)
[08:47] <Amaranth> yeah, although i already knew this one :P
[08:47] <HedgeMage> Lintunen: I don't know that it is possible, but I'm the least-LTSP-knowledgeable person here, so bug ogra or someone before you give up
[08:47] <Amaranth> I just haven't written any long-running Python projects in awhile.
[08:49] <Amaranth> Now that's _cool_.
[08:49] <Amaranth> Watching it fork in gnome-system-monitor while loading a page, then watching it go back to 1.4MB usage when the page is done.
[08:49] <anamaria> hello
[08:49] <anamaria> help gnome-panel doesn't start
[08:50] <pygi> Lintunen, what exactly doesn't work? Starting gedit??
[08:50] <pygi> anamaria, more info would be helpful
[08:50] <anamaria> after i log in it is stopping
[08:50] <anamaria> i read some forum
[08:50] <anamaria> but i cant get it
[08:53] <pygi> anamaria, that's not very informative :-/
[08:53] <pygi> is the process a zombie?
[08:55] <pygi> mornin' highvoltage 
[08:57] <HedgeMage> pygi: how many newbies know how to recognize a zombie? :P
[08:57] <pygi> HedgeMage, ergh, right :-/
[08:58] <pygi> anamaria, you can try writing "top" and see at top does it says you have any zombies
[08:58] <HedgeMage> anamaria: You log in, and the panel freezes (starts to appear then won't finish) or it doesn't show up at all?
[08:58] <anamaria> it is freezeing on the brown page
[08:59] <HedgeMage> so it's just plain brown when it stops, but that's after you enter your username and password, am I right?
[08:59] <anamaria> hedegemage yes
[09:00] <anamaria> what should i do?
[09:00] <HedgeMage> anamaria: is it a new install, or one you have been running for a while (that is, did it work before and stop, or has it always done this?)
[09:00] <anamaria> is the first install of me
[09:01] <highvoltage> mornin' pygi!
[09:01] <HedgeMage> okay, and it is Edubuntu Dapper, correct?
[09:01] <anamaria> and of edubuntu
[09:01] <anamaria> yes
[09:01] <bimberi> unlikely, but ...
[09:01] <bimberi> !xhangs
[09:01] <ubotu> If the GUI hangs after logging in, use <ctrl><alt><f1> to switch to text mode. Log in and do: rm .{X,ICE}authority
[09:02] <HedgeMage> anamaria: if what ubotu (and bimberi) said doesn't help, let us know and we will try another idea :)
[09:03] <anamaria> rm .{X,ICE}authority i did it
[09:03] <anamaria> but same result
[09:04] <bimberi> :(
[09:04] <HedgeMage> anamaria: did you restart X (or the whole computer if you don't know how to do just X) after trying it?
[09:05] <pygi> anamaria, CTRL+ALT+BACKSPACE
[09:05] <anamaria> i switched in text mode
[09:05] <anamaria> i typed rm .{X,ICE}authority and ctrl alt f7
[09:05] <pygi> anamaria, do CTRL+ALT+BACKSPACE pls :)
[09:05] <Amaranth> does that rm command actually work?
[09:06] <anamaria> now appears the yelow square with ubuntu 
[09:06] <anamaria> but it freezes
[09:06] <Amaranth> :/
[09:06] <Amaranth> closer
[09:08] <anamaria> ?
[09:08] <spacey> oh
[09:08] <spacey> i had that login problem a few times after i rebooted during system upgrades
[09:09] <HedgeMage> spacey: fix?
[09:09] <anamaria> any ideea?
[09:10] <spacey> uuh
[09:10] <pygi> anamaria, can you try doing "sudo dexconf" 
[09:10] <spacey> HedgeMage: just dpkg --configure -a
[09:10] <pygi> and do reboot, and start a computer
[09:10] <spacey> if something was left it will resume
[09:11] <pygi> hey JaneW ;)
[09:11] <JaneW> hello
[09:11] <pygi> how are you? :)
[09:13] <jimjimovich2> hi everyone
[09:13] <jimjimovich2> anyone have any tips on getting usb devices to work on the thin client?
[09:14] <anamaria> pygi not working
[09:14] <anamaria> i will quit on edubuntu
[09:14] <pygi> anamaria, that's not good attitude
[09:14] <HedgeMage> hi JaneW 
[09:14] <pygi> do you have internet access?
[09:14] <JaneW> pygi: still dying :(
[09:14] <anamaria> yes
[09:14] <pygi> JaneW, don't die :(
[09:14] <JaneW> :/
[09:14] <pygi> anamaria, do: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[09:15] <pygi> after that, do "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" and configure monitor
[09:15] <JaneW> what happened to my immune system? I used to hardly get sick at all...
[09:15] <pygi> after that reboot
[09:15] <HedgeMage> JaneW: stress and not enough sleep?
[09:16] <jimjimovich2> anyone have any luck with ltspfs?
[09:17] <JaneW> HedgeMage: well I am sleeping more and stressing less in the last week or so...
[09:17] <JaneW> HedgeMage: perhaps it's a stress relief thing?
[09:19] <jimjimovich2> how can i see what is running on my thin client?
[09:20] <highvoltage> JaneW: i talked to alastair, he says an interview with ogra sounds interesting, he's going to discuss it with the rest of tectonic team and get back to us
[09:21] <highvoltage> jimjimovich2: i don't think ltspfs works with ubuntu ltsp yet
[09:22] <HedgeMage> JaneW: could be
[09:22] <jimjimovich2> ogra pointed me to the ltspfs docs the other day, and the packages are there for it.  i just have no clue how to configure it. it's so very unclear how and where edubuntu ltsp is different from regular ltsp
[09:22] <JaneW> highvoltage: great! thanks
[09:23] <JaneW> highvoltage: when are you guys moving?
[09:23] <JaneW> highvoltage: Richard may be taking over my desk there soon...
[09:23] <jimjimovich2> it seems that ogra has packaged ltspfs and ltspfsd for edubuntu, but you have to install and configure yourself
[09:25] <jimjimovich2> so, if ltspfs doesn't work.  is there any solution for mounting a local floppy or usb drive?  we really need this for our lab.
[09:27] <pygi> jimjimovich2, share via samba and mount in kernel space?
[09:28] <jimjimovich2> pygi: wow. that doesn't sound fun at all
[09:28] <pygi> ergh, I wrote few scripts and a explanation on how to setup things like that, just can't find it right now
[09:29] <pygi> jimjimovich2, you could do something like this in lts.conf
[09:29] <pygi> 	LOCAL_DEVICE_01 = /dev/hdc:cdrom
[09:29] <pygi> 	LOCAL_DEVICE_02 = /dev/fd0:floppy 
[09:29] <pygi> 	LOCAL_DEVICE_03 = /dev/sda1:usb
[09:29] <pygi> 	HOTPLUG = Y
[09:29] <pygi> 	ALLOW_UNKNOWN_USB = Y 
[09:29] <pygi> 
[09:30] <highvoltage> JaneW: after the end of this month some time
[09:30] <pygi> for usb devices, it's really tricky to configure it properly :-/
[09:30] <pygi> And I gotta run preety soon
[09:30] <highvoltage> JaneW: what's richard going to do?
[09:31] <jimjimovich2> pygi: do i have to somehow turn on USB in the lts.conf?
[09:31] <jimjimovich2> pygi: like load a module or something?
[09:31] <pygi> jimjimovich2, kindaof, but it's not that easy
[09:31] <pygi> kindof*
[09:34] <jimjimovich2> is there any way at all to see what's running on the thin client? Like, pull up a terminal window that's logged into the thin client and not the server?  so, run like "top" and see what's running on the client?
[09:34] <pygi> jimjimovich2, student control panel
[09:35] <jimjimovich2> pygi: how do i get this?
[09:36] <pygi> jimjimovich2, sudo apt-get install student-control-panel :P
[09:37] <jimjimovich2> pygi: thanks, i've seen vague references to this scattered around, but never anything that even explained what the student control panel is
[09:37] <pygi> jimjimovich2, :)
[09:38] <jimjimovich2> ok, that kicks butt
[09:38] <pygi> s-c-p is still in early stages tho, but it works :P
[09:41] <cbx33> hi all
[09:41] <HedgeMage> hi cbx33 
[09:41] <cbx33> hey HedgeMage 
[09:42] <pygi> mornin' python :)
[09:43] <HedgeMage> lol
[09:46] <cbx33> mornin python mentor
[09:47] <cbx33> working with treeviews now :p
[09:47] <cbx33> so where does pygi come from.... python - guy?
[09:49] <cbx33> Jack Of All Trades, Master Of None
[09:49] <cbx33> brb
[09:49] <pygi> cbx33, bah :)
[09:50] <cbx33> thanks for all the help pygi 
[09:50] <cbx33> seriously I'd not be doing any python if it weren't for you
[09:50] <cbx33> you gave me the kick i needed
[09:51] <pygi> heh, someone else would help you
[09:51] <JaneW> highvoltage: http://www.tectonic.co.za/view.php?id=943 :(
[09:55] <pygi> JaneW, linspire? :-/
[09:57] <highvoltage> JaneW: yes, i saw that. i don't think it's entirely a bad thing, tbph
[09:58] <JaneW> highvoltage: oic
[09:58] <highvoltage> firstly, at least they are very public about their intentions to roll out linux based machines. where lenovo said they specifically won't roll out linux laptops.
[09:59] <JaneW> highvoltage: yes any linux pre-installed is good imo
[09:59] <JaneW> but would have been nice if it were ubuntu
[09:59] <highvoltage> yep
[09:59] <highvoltage> i think that's going to happen in the future though.
[10:00] <highvoltage> at the time they made the release, linspire had a friendlier (read: more colourful) package manager front-end, which swayed them over.
[10:00] <highvoltage> if they were to compare dapper with linspire, i'm sure they would choose dapper.
[10:09] <highvoltage> cbx33: i have too, unfortunately my current contract prohibits me from starting something on the side :/
[10:09] <jimjimovich2> ok, i need some honest feedback here.  is it a waste of my time to try to mount local floppies and/or usb drives at this point?
[10:12] <HedgeMage> jimjimovich2: don't give up until you've asked ogra about it at least
[10:13] <jimjimovich2> i'm thinking, that as seldom as students use removable media, maybe there's a simpler solution
[10:14] <jimjimovich2> we have about 15 computers, and they're all completely different, i just can't see how it'll work (when I can't get it to work on one)
[10:14] <HedgeMage> jimjimovich2: I know the problem of mounting removable media at the thin client was discussed a while back, I just don't know if it's solved in dapper or in the works for edgy
[10:16] <jimjimovich2> ok, i'll chill and as ogra later
[10:16] <blue-frog> hi is there a command line to revert Dapper to previous state (meaning did some updates yesterday or 2 days ago and I thing those updates are doing something strange with my cdroms, would like to check without reinstalling)
[10:17] <jimjimovich2> on the topic of linspire ... i think that a big part of it seeming "easier" to use is that it looks like windows.  It was hard to sell our bosses on the idea of using Linux when we showed them a default gnome install, but after we made it look more like windows, it seems like a psychological barrier was lifted
[10:19] <jimjimovich2> personally, i think the default gnome is easier than windows, but it's hard for people to get past the idea of not having a start button.  So, this is our default desktop for students.  So far, they all like it.  One person even believed us when we told them it was Windows Vista.  http://flickr.com/photos/jimjimovich/162343385/
[10:23] <DanielC> Hello. I want to upgrade an Edubuntu LTSP to Dapper and I'm reading the relevant instructions. Is it really safe to 'rm -rf /opt/ltsp/i386 && ltsp-build-client' ?
[10:23] <DanielC> Will I have to recreate the users? Reconfigure their accounts?
[10:23] <DanielC> Will the users lose their personal files?
[10:32] <HedgeMage> DanielC: you might want to hang out a while or ask on the mailing list... it's pretty quiet in here at the moment
[10:32] <jsgotangco> BOO!
[10:33] <DanielC> Ok. I just asked on the list. Let's see if anyone responds.
[10:33] <jsgotangco> i think you will just have to recreate the chroots
[10:33] <jsgotangco> not sure about the user accounts though
[10:34] <DanielC> Ok.
[10:43] <Hobbsee> JaneW: are you leaving us?
[10:45] <HedgeMage> Hobbsee: she's leaving canonical, but we expect to see her here from time to time
[10:45] <Hobbsee> ah, i see
[10:51] <JaneW> jsgotangco: you can read my blog :P
[10:52] <cbx33> highvoltage: yeh I know, it's just the financial side
[10:52] <cbx33> I already run a web design company with my wife
[10:52] <jsgotangco> :P
[10:52] <cbx33> I think my brother in law wants to do something like that when he's older
[10:54] <jsgotangco> morning ogra 
[10:59] <cbx33> hi ogra 
[11:07] <cbx33> DanielC: ping
[11:08] <DanielC> pong
[11:08] <cbx33> don't take my word as gospel truth
[11:08] <cbx33> you need ogra for that 
[11:08] <DanielC> :)
[11:08] <cbx33> but but...
[11:09] <cbx33> the command you mentioned earlier should just removed the NFS root boot
[11:09] <cbx33> all documents account settings etc are stored in the actual server
[11:09] <cbx33> not the chroot that is exported over nfs
[11:09] <DanielC> Ah. I did not know that.
[11:09] <DanielC> What does the chroot do then?
[11:09] <cbx33> essentially
[11:10] <cbx33> there is a small, tiny, installation of ubuntu/edubuntu in that folder
[11:10] <cbx33> when the clients boot up, they are pointed to that folder and do not see any of ther parent folders
[11:10] <cbx33> as far as they are concerned that is their entire Hard drive if you get my meaning
[11:10] <DanielC> Yes.
[11:11] <jimjimovich2> ogra: i was asking eariler (when you were not here) about mounting local floppies (and/or usb drives).  I tried installing ltspfs and ltspfsd from the repositories ... but i'm having no luck getting it running. Any ideas?
[11:12] <DanielC> cbx33: I think I understand. This tiny little ubuntu system then runs some program that runs a remote X connection. So what I "see" on the thin client is actually the main server. Is that right?
[11:12] <cbx33> yes
[11:12] <DanielC> Ok, I got the general idea. Thank you.
[11:13] <cbx33> the client uses SSH to connect a tunnelled X session
[11:14] <DanielC> Ok. I just learnt something today :)  So recreating the ltsp client should be pretty safe and pretty quick. Great.
[11:14] <cbx33> DanielC: I would think so
[11:14] <cbx33> but as I said before ogra is the man for gospel truth
[11:15] <cbx33> I updated mine a while ago and it was ok
[11:15] <DanielC> Ok, understood.
[11:24] <RobinShepheard> Hi All
[11:25] <RobinShepheard> Just a quick question, has anybody used multiple servers with round-robin dns to load balance??
[11:26] <cbx33> nope
[11:28] <RobinShepheard> I am just wondering whether it would work ok
[11:28] <RobinShepheard> as far as I reckon, once it has downloaded the os and setup the ssh connection, it should only speak to the same server each time
[11:29] <RobinShepheard> but I wasn't sure whether this is the case, I will do a test install of a couple of machines here I guess
[11:30] <RobinShepheard> ssh tunnels dont query dns once they are up do thery ???
[11:30] <RobinShepheard> doh they
[11:43] <DanielC> cbx33: Do you know how long the ltsp-build-client step takes?
[11:46] <cbx33> hmm...
[11:46] <cbx33> 15-30 mins last go i did
[11:46] <DanielC> Alright, thanks.
[12:36] <cbx33> anyone here ever created a dvd
[12:39] <highvoltage> what kind of dvd? dvd-rom, dvd video?
[12:40] <RobinShepheard> cbx33:  one is available for download from the download page
[12:47] <cbx33> dvd video
[12:47] <cbx33> I'm using qdvdauthor
[12:49] <cbx33> but I've never written a DVD before
[12:49] <cbx33> :S
[12:50] <DanielC> I've written a *data* DVD, but never a movie.
[12:50] <cbx33> ok
[12:52] <highvoltage> writing a dvd is pretty much exactly the same as writing a cd image
[12:53] <cbx33> highvoltage: I had the video_ts and audio_ts folders
[12:53] <cbx33> do i just bung them on a cd?
[12:53] <cbx33> eeek
[12:55] <highvoltage> yep
[12:55] <cbx33> really?
[12:55] <highvoltage> well, on a dvd, at least
[12:55] <cbx33> not like an iso then
[12:55] <cbx33> ok
[12:55] <highvoltage> yes, like an iso.
[12:55] <cbx33> wasn't aware it was that easy?
[12:56] <highvoltage> sorry, yes, you don't burn it as raw data
[12:56] <cbx33> you can't do that with a cd can you?
[12:56] <highvoltage> you make in iso first and them burn that iso
[12:56] <cbx33> ah 
[12:56] <cbx33> do you have any hints on how to make the iso
[12:56] <cbx33> iso building
[12:56] <cbx33> :D
[12:56] <highvoltage> you can use K3b or graveman or mkisofs
[12:57] <cbx33> are any of them gui?
[12:57] <highvoltage> k3b and graveman are
[12:57] <highvoltage> graveman is gnome, k3b kde
[12:57] <highvoltage> bbl
[12:58] <cbx33> thanks highvoltage 
[01:02] <jimjimovich2> is it possible to log into the server from a linux machine that is not a thin client?  Like, can I pull up a session on the Edubuntu server from my Ubuntu desktop?
[01:05] <cbx33> jimjimovich2: it should be possible in theory
[01:06] <cbx33> jimjimovich2: I just use a vmware machine on my desktop to connect to the server
[01:07] <jimjimovich2> cbx33: ok, i was gonna ask about that too.  So, you can do a network boot with vmware? What about with vmware player?
[01:07] <cbx33> dunno about player
[01:07] <cbx33> buit remeber server is now free
[01:07] <jimjimovich2> cbx33: true.  we're using it ... forgot about that. One of those days, i guess :)
[01:08] <cbx33> hehe
[01:19] <cbx33> ping ogra seen the post on the ML about local devices?
[01:36] <RobinShepheard> cbx33: someone from the lug suggested that if we do get permission to do BETT2007 that if we can prove we are not for profit we may be able to get some free space or atleast a much reduced rate
[01:47] <DanielC> Help help. I upgraded to dapper and how "eth0" is gone.
[01:52] <cbx33> RobinShepheard: no such luck
[01:52] <cbx33> I already spoke to the organisers
[01:53] <RobinShepheard> DanielC: try running sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart from a command line eg ctrl+alt+F1
[01:53] <RobinShepheard> cbx33: Oh well it was worth a thought
[01:54] <DanielC> RobinShepheard: I already tried that, but eth0 just doesn't exist.
[01:54] <RobinShepheard> it there anything in system --> networking??
[01:54] <DanielC> No, there isn't.
[01:55] <RobinShepheard> have you restarted the machine since the update??
[01:55] <DanielC> Yes, I have.
[01:55] <DanielC> If you do 'networking restart' it says 'eth0: ERROR: No such device".
[01:56] <RobinShepheard> what machine are you running, desktop or laptop??
[01:57] <DanielC> Laptop.
[01:57] <RobinShepheard> what make?
[01:57] <DanielC> This is a PCMCIA ethernet card.
[01:57] <DanielC> Dell Inspiron 2500
[01:57] <RobinShepheard> ok what chipset is it, do you know??
[01:57] <DanielC> No, not really.
[01:57] <cbx33> how can i send a message to an X session?
[01:57] <RobinShepheard> what make is the ethernet card??
[01:57] <cbx33> like when you shutdown a machine
[01:58] <DanielC> I just pulled it out, it doesn't say what make it is.
[01:59] <RobinShepheard> that does make things a little more tricky
[01:59] <DanielC> When I run lspci I can't see anything I recognize as an ethernet card. But I admit I'm not sure what I'm looking for.
[01:59] <cbx33> hmmm
[01:59] <DanielC> Is there a general hardware detection program I can run?
[01:59] <cbx33> that's even more tricky
[01:59] <cbx33> DanielC: 
[02:00] <cbx33> can you post the output of lspci somewhere?
[02:00] <cbx33> gonna be tricky seeing as you don;t have a network card
[02:00] <cbx33> USB stick or something?
[02:00] <ogra> DanielC, type dmesg in a terminal after plugging it in
[02:00] <RobinShepheard> when it plugged back in, can you please open a terminal applications --> accessories --> terminal then type lspci
[02:01] <DanielC> ogra: dmesg outputs a lot of information...should I grep anything?
[02:01] <cbx33> try grepping for net
[02:01] <ogra> lspci wont show anything
[02:01] <ogra> (its pcmcia)
[02:01] <cbx33> ogra: oh sorry I didn't read above
[02:01] <RobinShepheard> doh good point ogra
[02:01] <ogra> DanielC, look for something like bcm43xx :)
[02:01] <DanielC> dmesg|grep net == audit: initializing netlink socket
[02:01] <cbx33> i was assuming he was shuttong the machine down
[02:02] <ogra> i bet its a broadcom card
[02:02] <cbx33> ogra: you da man
[02:02] <DanielC> dmesg|grep bcm == blank
[02:02] <ogra> ok
[02:02] <ogra> so its not
[02:02] <cbx33> hmmm
[02:02] <DanielC> This card used to work with Breezy and with Hoary before that.
[02:02] <cbx33> hmm
[02:02] <ogra> does it create any ethX device after you replug it ?
[02:03] <RobinShepheard> I am not using a pcmcia card, but would it register under pccard in dmesg ??
[02:03] <DanielC> ls /dev/|grep eth == blank
[02:03] <cbx33> does dmesg | grep net
[02:03] <DanielC> dmesg|grep net == audit: initializing netlink socket
[02:04] <cbx33> dmesg | grep pccard
[02:04] <ogra> do: dmesg|tail -50 
[02:04] <ogra> and paste that to a pastebin
[02:04] <cbx33> if you can get to a paste bin
[02:04] <cbx33> seeing as network is down
[02:04] <cbx33> ;)
[02:04] <RobinShepheard> suggestion use grep -i and then choice as it ignores case
[02:04] <DanielC> ls /dev/|grep pccard ==
[02:04] <DanielC> pccard: PCMCIA card inserted into slot 0
[02:04] <DanielC> pccard: card rejected from slot 0
[02:05] <cbx33> ok cool so it's pciking it up
[02:05] <RobinShepheard> how about dmesg | grep -i net
[02:05] <cbx33> what's inbetween those lines
[02:05] <cbx33> good idea
[02:05] <DanielC> "dmesg | grep -i net" gives a few lines of "NET: Registered protocol family x" where x is an integer.
[02:06] <cbx33> what about
[02:06] <cbx33> dmesg | grep found
[02:07] <cbx33> the last line
[02:07] <cbx33> that that finds?
[02:07] <cbx33> if it does
[02:08] <DanielC> The last line is "ibm_acpi: ec object not found". I don't see any line I recognize as an ethernet card.
[02:08] <ogra> you wont gain anything by grepping for single lines you need to see the whole snippet of dmesg after the card was plugged in
[02:08] <DanielC> It lists ACPI,pnp, isapnp, cardbus and smpbus.
[02:08] <RobinShepheard> cardbus is the pcmcia
[02:12] <cbx33> malloc(): memory corruption
[02:12] <RobinShepheard> my regex's are a bit rusty, how could you filter to mach a mac address
[02:12] <lucasvo> hi everybody
[02:12] <RobinShepheard> i know the basic is ??:??:??:??:??:?? but I am not sure how to get this to work with grep
[02:12] <cbx33> RobinShepheard: it doesn't always display it
[02:13] <RobinShepheard> I know but I was thinking it was worth a try
[02:13] <RobinShepheard> If you have a mac address you can find the vendor
[02:13] <cbx33> true
[02:14] <RobinShepheard> I know my built in card displays the mac on detection but I dont know about pcmcia, I have never used a pcmcia card
[02:14] <cbx33> the mac should be on the card
[02:15] <RobinShepheard> yeah but if it can't find the card it is a bit of a no go, unless it registers the hardware and mac on boot and then says it rejects it
[02:15] <cbx33> doubt it
[02:15] <DanielC> Where can I past the dmesg output? I just got it off a usb stick.
[02:15] <cbx33> cool
[02:15] <cbx33> pastebin.com
[02:16] <DanielC> http://pastebin.com/767197
[02:17] <cbx33> **** SET: Misaligned resource pointer: d3bdfa22 Type 07 Len 0 ??
[02:17] <DanielC> No idea what that means.
[02:17] <cbx33> no
[02:18] <cbx33> but it's not picking up the data
[02:18] <cbx33> so far as I can see
[02:18] <RobinShepheard> well i damned if i can see anything useful
[02:18] <cbx33> me either
[02:18] <cbx33> ogra: ?
[02:19] <DanielC> Dang! I have to go!  Grrr....
[02:19] <DanielC> Thanks for the help anyways. I guess I'll come back tomorrow and ask again...
[02:20] <cbx33> ok
[02:20] <cbx33> takecar
[02:20] <RobinShepheard> just a quick thought, has it loaded module for the pcmcia system??
[02:20] <DanielC> btw: daniel.carrera@zmsl.com
[02:22] <cbx33> RobinShepheard: that's an idea
[02:22] <cbx33> we'll try some lsmod's tomorroe
[02:23] <cbx33> ping ogra: an unrelated question, when packaging, if my python program has to call in a glade file which is stored in another directory, how do i ge the install to manage that.  Like when testing normally they are both in the same dir
[02:23] <cbx33> but once in stalled they might both reside elsewhere?
[02:23] <ogra> use dh_install and the .install file 
[02:24] <cbx33> yeh I have done that
[02:24] <cbx33> but in the python script I need to call in the glade file
[02:24] <cbx33> which no longer resides in the same dir
[02:24] <cbx33> as the script itself
[02:25] <cbx33> do i have to hardcode the path of the glade file? - there must be a better way?
[02:25] <ogra> use the path where irt resides then 
[02:25] <ogra> nope, in the python code
[02:25] <RobinShepheard> have to ga and meet the better half for lunch, see you all later
[02:25] <cbx33> bye RobinShepheard 
[02:25] <cbx33> ogra: I'm not sure I follow
[02:25] <ogra> ciao
[02:26] <cbx33> gisomount lives in /usr/sbin for exampl
[02:26] <ogra> err, why do you call scripts in the glade file ? 
[02:26] <cbx33> and gisomount.glade lives in /usr/share/gisomount/
[02:26] <cbx33> gisomount needs gisomount.glade to run
[02:26] <cbx33> when I'm developing they are both in the same dir
[02:26] <ogra> yes, so you call /usr/share/gisomount/gisomount.glade from your python code
[02:26] <cbx33> really?
[02:27] <cbx33> I hardcode it in?
[02:27] <ogra> instead of gisomount.glade
[02:27] <cbx33> that was what I was asking
[02:27] <cbx33> ok, is that not inflexible?
[02:28] <ogra> why ? its a package, the location doesnt change ... indeed you could add a conf file and define the path there if you want to make it more portable to non debian distros
[02:28] <cbx33> ok
[02:28] <cbx33> thanks ogra I'll do it that way
[02:29] <cbx33> I think I managed to make my first package from scratch
[02:29] <cbx33> :D
[02:29] <ogra> great !
[02:29] <cbx33> it installs fine
[02:29] <cbx33> just didnt run
[02:29] <cbx33> because of that issue
[02:29] <ogra> i'm just doing a ltsp-manager driven ltsp install 
[02:29] <cbx33> just ognna fix now
[02:29] <cbx33> WOW
[02:29] <cbx33> you're fast
[02:29] <ogra> if thats finished i'll upload the initial package
[02:29] <cbx33> ogra: you are da man
[02:29] <cbx33> I'm impressed
[02:29] <ogra> still missing a lot
[02:29] <lucasvo> too bad we didn't have it for dapper
[02:30] <cbx33> did you see I used treeviews
[02:30] <lucasvo> ogra: what for e.g.?
[02:30] <ogra> but will be fun to work on it
[02:30] <cbx33> they are quit cool
[02:30] <cbx33> yeh
[02:30] <ogra> its my big pet project for edgy :)
[02:30] <cbx33> nice
[02:30] <lucasvo> ogra: last time I checked, one was only able to configure general settings, not per machine
[02:30] <cbx33> did i hear we're having an scp meeting soon?
[02:30] <lucasvo> cbx33: when?
[02:30] <ogra> lucasvo, yes, it wont do more
[02:31] <cbx33> so ogra when developing do you keep the glade files in your dir and change the paths upon packaging?
[02:31] <ogra> yep
[02:31] <ogra> you can use a try: statement 
[02:32] <cbx33> ah to try local and alternate location?
[02:32] <ogra> so you can look for the file in the current dir and fall back to 7usr/share
[02:33] <lucasvo> ogra: ltsp manager=ltspadmin?
[02:33] <ogra> nope
[02:33] <cbx33> ltsp manager > ltspadmin
[02:34] <ogra> ltspadmin is the old commandline perl script ltsp.org uses
[02:34] <cbx33> WOW it works
[02:34] <cbx33> I just created my very first package :D
[02:35] <cbx33> Laser_away will be so proud
[02:35] <cbx33> heheh
[02:35] <ogra> there is code for the above galde problem in ldm if you look for a solution btw
[02:35] <cbx33> ah cool
[02:35] <cbx33> you don;t use in ltsp-manager?
[02:36] <ogra> nope
[02:36] <ogra> i'll do once i got to code cleanup and the like :)
[02:36] <cbx33> i see
[02:36] <cbx33> so will the package you're creating now install all to a single dir?
[02:36] <ogra> for now its only free playing around with the code until its in shape ... then i'll do a claenupo and add more error handling etc
[02:37] <cbx33> yeh
[02:37] <cbx33> that's the stage gisomount is in
[02:41] <cbx33> ogra: at some point
[02:41] <cbx33> would you do me the greatest honour of looking at my gisomount code and suggesting improvemnts from a structure coding methodology point of view
[02:41] <ogra> sure
[02:42] <cbx33> wow thank you
[02:42] <cbx33> I'll buy you a beer 
[02:42] <cbx33> or 2
[02:42] <cbx33> because I'm ok at coding and it works etc, but I'm not sure my structuring and classes are well done or not
[02:43] <cbx33> I have a bit more work to do, but once it's in a stage where I think it's ready to be viewed I'll let you know
[02:43] <cbx33> thank you so much
[02:43] <cbx33> that means a great deal
[02:48] <lucasvo> ogra: it is not good that ltsp-manager doesn't try to open /etc/dhcp/dhcpd.conf if /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf isn't available
[02:49] <ogra> lucasvo, /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf must be availabel for ltsp to work right and ltsp-manager hard depends on ltsp-server-standalone
[02:50] <lucasvo> I think it's crap to take a default config and move it to a non default place
[02:50] <lucasvo> but I can work without ltsp manager as well
[02:50] <ogra> how would you do it ? 
[02:51] <ogra> you cant change files for one package from another one 
[02:51] <lucasvo> yes
[02:51] <ogra> ltsp manager is for managing standalone installs, for all other things we'll have something bigger
[02:51] <lucasvo> what bigger?
[02:52] <lucasvo> landscape *g*?
[02:52] <lucasvo> it's like microsoft with windows vista
[02:52] <lucasvo> Yes, we will implement it in windows vista.
[02:52] <ogra> so how would you do it if you may not break existing dhcp configs *and* cannt touch the file from ltsp-server-standalone ?
[02:52] <lucasvo> Yes, this feauture will be improved in windows vista.. :)
[02:52] <lucasvo>  *and* cannt touch the file from ltsp-server-standalone ?
[02:52] <lucasvo> is not true
[02:53] <lucasvo> cannot OPEN is more appropriate
[02:53] <ogra> lucasvo, please read the packaging policy
[02:53] <lucasvo> ogra: well, if the conf is in /etc/dhcp make warning 
[02:53] <ogra> you are not allowed to touch /etc/dhcp/dhcpd.conf from *any* package but dhcpd
[02:53] <lucasvo> ogra: even if the user says yes?
[02:54] <ogra> so you either will have to break *all* dchpd setups out there, *or* you get a conffile prompt which is forbidden in ubuntu since it breaks various other things 
[02:55] <ogra> so the only way to implement it in a sane manner is to source a different config file ...
[02:55] <ogra> btw, no debian developer disagrees here (debian uses our implementation this way)
[02:57] <ogra> lucasvo, belive me, we're not making packaging decisions for fun or to annoy the users 
[02:58] <ogra> but indeed you are free to file a bug (which would get rejected, but hey you have the opportunity)
[02:59] <lucasvo> ogra: I think at least the app should run without a conffile in /etc/ltsp
[02:59] <lucasvo> DHCP settings isn't the sole purpose of this app, is it?
[02:59] <ogra> of ltsp-server-standalone ? 
[03:00] <lucasvo> no, ltsp-manager
[03:00] <ogra> please read the package description
[03:00] <lucasvo> ogra: which one?
[03:00] <ogra> ltsp-managers purpose is to be a GUI frontend to ltsp-server-standalone 
[03:00] <ogra> nothing more
[03:01] <ogra> and it wont grow into a networkwide ltsp management gadget
[03:01] <ogra> thats something other apps can do
[03:01] <lucasvo> ogra: and which one is the app to change the lts.conf?
[03:01] <ogra> ltsp-managers
[03:01] <ogra> -s
[03:02] <lucasvo> ogra: and I am not able to configure my ltsp setup if I don't use the standard dhcpdconf?
[03:03] <ogra> lucasvo, because you broke everything by fiddling around with the initscripts etc
[03:03] <jsgotangco> good evening
[03:03] <lucasvo> ogra: lol
[03:03] <lucasvo> ogra: it is a blank installation with a rc
[03:03] <lucasvo> I even have ltsp-standalone admin installed
[03:04] <lucasvo> the only thing I did: rm /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf
[03:04] <ogra> ltsp-standalone admin ?
[03:04] <ogra> whats that ? 
[03:04] <lucasvo> I mean ltsp-standalone
[03:04] <lucasvo> or whatever this package is called
[03:04] <lucasvo> lucasvo@supernova:~/Desktop/projekte/ubuntu/ltsp-manager$ sudo apt-get install ltsp-server-standalone
[03:04] <lucasvo> Password:
[03:04] <lucasvo> Reading package lists... Done
[03:04] <lucasvo> Building dependency tree... Done
[03:04] <lucasvo> ltsp-server-standalone is already the newest version
[03:04] <lucasvo> here
[03:05] <ogra> and with rm /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf you broke the setup
[03:05] <lucasvo> ogra: why?
[03:05] <ogra> because you use the wrong dhcpd.conf *SIGH*
[03:06] <ogra> either use the package as they are supposed to be used or stop complaining 
[03:06] <lucasvo> ogra: my question is still unanswered. 
[03:06] <lucasvo> 15:02 < lucasvo> ogra: and I am not able to configure my ltsp setup if I don't use the standard dhcpdconf?
[03:06] <lucasvo> I mean the file /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf
[03:07] <lucasvo> with a gui
[03:07] <ogra> sure you are ... rm /etc/dhcpd/dhcpd.conf && cp /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf /etc/dhcpd/dgcp.conf
[03:07] <lucasvo> it worked a few weeks ago
[03:07] <ogra> there is no GUI to edit /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf
[03:07] <lucasvo> ogra: there was
[03:08] <ogra> there never was
[03:08] <lucasvo> wasn't there some packge?
[03:08] <ogra> no
[03:08] <lucasvo> ok, then I'm sorry
[03:08] <ogra> else we'd use it
[03:08] <lucasvo> I thought ltsp-manager is that package
[03:09] <ogra> yes, it is
[03:09] <lucasvo> ?
[03:09] <lucasvo> 15:07 < ogra> there is no GUI to edit /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf
[03:10] <lucasvo> so is there one or not?
[03:10] <ogra> there is no gui to edit /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf
[03:10] <lucasvo> 15:08 < lucasvo> I thought ltsp-manager is that package
[03:10] <lucasvo> 15:09 < ogra> yes, it is
[03:10] <lucasvo> ?
[03:11] <lucasvo> obviously a misunderstanding
[03:11] <ogra> there will be one once you stopped asking me questions and i can go on with packaging it
[03:11] <lucasvo> sorry
[03:11] <lucasvo> I pulled the bzr anyway
[03:12] <lucasvo> ogra: But in bzr version you can configure it
[03:12] <ogra> bzr version of what ? 
[03:13] <lucasvo> http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/bzr-archive/ltsp-manager/
[03:13] <ogra> yes, indeed, since thats one of its purposes
[03:13] <lucasvo> ogra: I was talking about the development version of the package all the time. where one is able to configure it
[03:14] <ogra> there is only one version of ltsp-manager and there was neither a release yet nor does there exisist a package
[03:14] <lucasvo> ogra: couldn't you just disable the DHCP tab in this app if there isn't any /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf?
[03:14] <ogra> and it probably wont unless i'll get off this channel it seems
[03:15] <ogra> no
[03:15] <lucasvo> ogra: but fact is "there is no GUI to edit /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf" is wrong
[03:15] <lucasvo> ogra: ok
[03:15] <lucasvo> go to work :)
[03:15] <ogra> SIGH
[03:15] <jsgotangco> that doesn't work yet
[03:15] <ogra> nope, it doesnt even have any functionallity to edit lts.conf 
[03:15] <lucasvo> it's only dummy or what?
[03:15] <jsgotangco> yep i grokked it last night
[03:16] <jsgotangco> lucasvo: it has code, but its not full featured yet even the glade setup is just braindumps it seems
[03:16] <ogra> lucasvo, its a planned feature that will be there if edgy releases, for now neither a release fo ltsp-manager nor a package nor this feature exist
[03:16] <jsgotangco> ogra didnt get enough time to work on it because it wasn't spec'ed earlier for dapper
[03:17] <ogra> jsgotangco, it is specced for edgy now and i'll work on it 
[03:17] <jsgotangco> it was planned for dapper+1 
[03:17] <jsgotangco> ahh yeah
[03:17] <ogra> hey mvo 
[03:17] <jsgotangco> mvo: !
[03:17] <ogra> what a rare guest :)
[03:17] <cbx33> hi mvo
[03:18] <mvo> hello everyone! 
[03:19] <mvo> I'm here in the search for a .au person :) a friend of mine (who studies to become a teacher) needs some information about the .au highschool system
[03:19] <jsgotangco> yeah!
[03:19] <mvo> and this sounds like the perfect place :)
[03:19] <jsgotangco> you'll get lots of info from greebo
[03:19] <jsgotangco> she works with a lot of gov't agencies
[03:19] <jsgotangco> and NGOs
[03:20] <mvo> nice, thanks!
[03:20] <mvo> I guess its already a bit late in .au
[03:20] <jsgotangco> well call up jdub lol
[03:20] <mvo> heh :)
[03:27] <cbx33> I found a bug in openoffice
[03:27] <cbx33> heheh
[03:27] <cbx33> a tick box with no text associated with it
[03:28] <C-O-L-T> Seveas: Hello are you there? I have a big problem with my Dapper. I can not connect to the internet. I use DHCP connection but sometimes works and sometimes not. Under windows everything works well
[03:28] <C-O-L-T> Seveas: what to do? What is the solution
[03:30] <ogra> C-O-L-T, thats an #ubuntu question
[03:31] <lucasvo> C-O-L-T: and Seveas is not the only who can answer it. I suggest you to go to #ubuntu and ask your question there.
[03:32] <C-O-L-T> ok ok
[03:43] <lucasvo> the SERVER variable in lts.conf is to define the server which should be used as the terminal server?
[03:44] <ogra> its set automatically anyway, but yes ... set it only if the server differs from the bootserver
[03:45] <lucasvo> ogra: well, it could be used for load balancing, could it?
[03:45] <lucasvo> send half of the clients to another server
[03:45] <ogra> nope
[03:45] <ogra> its not that easy
[03:45] <lucasvo> ogra: have you read the mail from robin?
[03:46] <lucasvo> what should one do?
[03:46] <ogra> you would have to keep everything in sync on both servers all the time if you did that...
[03:46] <lucasvo> ah, yes
[03:46] <lucasvo> like /home and so on
[03:46] <ogra> more than that ... probably even /tmp 
[03:46] <lucasvo> what else?
[03:46] <lucasvo> why that?
[03:47] <ogra> its a lot of work to get that reight 
[03:47] <lucasvo> what's used in /tmp by multiple users?
[03:47] <ogra> the best way to do load balancing is a openmosix or ssp cluster
[03:47] <ogra> no idea
[03:47] <ogra> thats why i said probably
[03:47] <lucasvo> wah, openmosix is not accepted
[03:48] <ogra> neither of the cluster solutions is mature enough to enter our kernel
[03:48] <lucasvo> yeah
[03:48] <lucasvo> a friend has a running ltsp 4.1 with openmosix
[03:48] <ogra> so we simply dont have it yet, and its a major pain to set up
[03:48] <lucasvo> it's quite good
[03:49] <lucasvo> ogra: what should one reply to the ml?
[03:49] <blue-frog> hi ogra, would it be sensible for an install to fail because it can't scan the repositories? (no internet connection)
[03:49] <ogra> we dont have it ... point him to ltsp.org docs there are some instructions how to patch kernels for clustering etc
[03:49] <ogra> blue-frog, nope
[03:50] <ogra> blue-frog, it should just time out 
[03:50] <ogra> (admittedly apt can take 10 mins or more until it times out)
[03:50] <blue-frog> it does but right after it fails saying one step couldn't be achieved and I see nothing special in console 4
[03:52] <lucasvo> !package w32codecs
[03:52] <ubotu> Bugger all, I dunno. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, lucasvo
[03:53] <blue-frog> so in fact it installed some software apparently but then fails and everytime i try to run the select and install software step again it shows me straight " an installation step has failed:select and install"
[03:54] <ogra> did you check the media ? 
[03:54] <blue-frog> yes the iso is good
[03:54] <ogra> looks like a broken CD 
[03:54] <blue-frog> running directly from hdd
[03:55] <ogra> well, at some point the installer rescans for CD drives ... 
[03:55] <blue-frog> the only thing left would HDD/motherboard but the y are brand new and I already have an edubuntu on it
[03:55] <cbx33> hmmm
[03:55] <ogra> so if it doesnt find the cdrom there might be your problem
[03:56] <blue-frog> ah thing is i tried HDD as all crdom/dvd i burned lately with dapper are screwed so I wanted to see if i had the same problem with dapper with no updates
[03:56] <ogra> mhz wrote a nice howto to net-install from an edubuntu iso if you have an apache server around inn your LAN
[03:56] <ogra> must be on the wiki somewhere
[03:57] <blue-frog> as the only dvd burned with breezy not dapper is working ok
[03:58] <blue-frog> Ogra to be honest I suspect a major poopoo with a dapper updates and the cdroms, that's why am trying to run some tests
[03:58] <blue-frog> I have 2 burner on 2 different puters doing weird things since the updates
[03:58] <ogra> well, if you didnt tweak your configs to heavily, it shouldnt be a problem to upgrade
[03:59] <blue-frog> I mean the burners were still ok when i did fresh install of dapper
[03:59] <blue-frog> and then 2 or 3 days ago after an update they went berzerk
[03:59] <ogra> just install the update-manager from breezy-updates, run sudo update-manager and youre good to go
[04:04] <cbx33> ogra: I still have that keyboard issue
[04:04] <cbx33> hehe
[04:05] <cbx33>  was thinking of reinstalling dapper, just leaving my home partiion unformatted
[04:05] <ogra> does it happen with the liveCD ?
[04:05] <cbx33> hmmm
[04:05] <cbx33> that's a plan
[04:33] <cbx33> ogra: does it on live too
[04:33] <ogra> likely a driver bug then
[04:33] <ogra> ask #ubuntu-kernel
[04:38] <cbx33> ok
[04:41] <cbx33> see y'all later
[05:09] <jsgotangco> good night
[05:16] <RobinShepheard> DanielC: have you had a chance to sort out your eth0??
[06:08] <cbx33> afternoon
[06:09] <highvoltage> hey cbx33 
[06:10] <cbx33> hi highvoltage 
[06:10] <cbx33> howz it going
[06:10] <highvoltage> going great, even though it's been a tough day.
[06:10] <cbx33> yeh me too
[06:11] <highvoltage> ogra: i just asked on #launchpad, it's intentional that you can sign the CoC with an unsigned GPG key.
[06:11] <highvoltage> cbx33: cool :)
[06:11] <cbx33> ah yes
[06:12] <ogra> highvoltage, i still have noi clear answer for that, but i suspect it is
[06:21] <cbx33> keyboard fixed :D
[06:21] <cbx33> or so it seems
[06:21] <cbx33> it's an acpid issue, they know about it and are fixing it :D
[06:25] <cbx33> :D)
[06:28] <cbx33> ogra, you got two secs bud?
[06:28] <cbx33> question about packaging
[06:28] <cbx33> howz ltsp-manager going?
[06:32] <Amaranth> cbx33: Don't do crack man. :P
[06:33] <cbx33> heh
[06:34] <ogra> cbx33, shoot
[06:35] <ogra> ltsp-manager is done so far, its waiting for the buildds to be ready
[06:36] <cbx33> oooh nice
[06:36] <cbx33> ok
[06:36] <cbx33> I have a source tree
[06:36] <cbx33> and I have a source tree with a debian dir seperately
[06:36] <cbx33> when it comes to update the source tree, do I just dump the source in the dir where I'm packaging 
[06:36] <cbx33> and overwrite what's alreayd in there
[06:37] <cbx33> what's the proper way to do things
[06:38] <ogra> there is a more elegant way, but i do it the same as you (unless i have a new upstream release which requires a new orig.tar.gz)
[06:38] <cbx33> should I update my orig.tar.gz too?
[06:39] <cbx33> i used that initially with dh_make
[06:39] <cbx33> it's out of date now, but the package still builds and installs with the latest source tree
[06:39] <cbx33> if I do it the way I described
[06:40] <ogra> well, if you make your first public release you should do it with a fresh orig.tar.gz
[06:40] <cbx33> ok
[06:40] <cbx33> what is the difference?
[06:41] <cbx33> or is there essentially none, it's just better practice?
[06:41] <ogra> you should keep packaging (.diff.gz) and program source (orig.tar.gz) distinct as much as you can
[06:41] <cbx33> ok
[06:42] <cbx33> so does the diff.gz store my changes in the source tree as well?
[06:42] <cbx33> like when I just copied the new source tree across?
[06:42] <cbx33> does it compare tothe orig.tar.gz
[06:42] <cbx33> and make diffs?
[06:42] <ogra> i.e. the orig.tar.gz should be identical to what the user would get from your apps webpage as tar.gz
[06:42] <cbx33> ok
[06:42] <cbx33> OH cool
[06:42] <cbx33> I totally get it now
[06:43] <cbx33> so if I just re-tared up the orig now,
[06:43] <cbx33> I don;t have to run dh_make again do I
[06:43] <cbx33> I can just replace the orig, and the source tree and repackage?
[06:43] <ogra> move the debian dir out of the tree first
[06:43] <cbx33> of course
[06:43] <ogra> and move it back after tarring
[06:43] <cbx33> yes
[06:43] <cbx33> to enable the packaging to take place
[06:43] <cbx33> :D
[06:43] <cbx33> I'm really getting this
[06:43] <ogra> yep
[06:44] <cbx33> it's easy
[06:44] <ogra> yep :)
[06:44] <ogra> it has a very steep learning cruve, but once you got it its really easy 
[06:45] <cbx33> yeh
[06:45] <cbx33> I just need to learn how to edit my rules file properly
[06:45] <cbx33> there's a lot of extraneous info there at the mo
[06:45] <cbx33> and I can see debuild complaining about stuff but just letting it pass
[06:45] <ogra> yep, you should drop all unneeded debhelper modules
[06:46] <cbx33> indeed I will before I release
[06:46] <cbx33> I would think you can expect the first release within a week
[06:46] <ogra> btw, do you use debuild only or do you already have a pbuilder set up ?
[06:46] <cbx33> i did have a pbuilder setup
[06:47] <cbx33> but currently I build and test in a chroot
[06:47] <ogra> good :)
[06:47] <cbx33> I've never used pbuilder really yet
[06:47] <ogra> just make sure it builds in a pbuilder in the end,, then its ready for the archive 
[06:47] <cbx33> presumably using debhelper is fine for apps that are non-essential
[06:47] <cbx33> by that I mean
[06:47] <cbx33> desktop apps etc
[06:47] <Amaranth> hey running overnight updating firefox's bbc rss feed my proxy stayed at 1.4MB writable memory
[06:48] <cbx33> you wouldn't use it for like gzip etc
[06:48] <cbx33> essential basic apps
[06:48] <Amaranth> so, forking solves all
[06:48] <cbx33> am I right?
[06:49] <ogra> cbx33, what would you use instead ?
[06:49] <cbx33> writing the rules file from scrath
[06:49] <cbx33> not using the debhelper scripts
[06:49] <cbx33> do i make sense?
[06:50] <ogra> using the templates is fine even for essential apps
[06:50] <Amaranth> ogra: I need a name better than WillowNG, any ideas? :)
[06:51] <ogra> i'll ping you if i have one, will think about it 
[06:52] <cbx33> is this the filtering app?
[06:52] <ogra> yeps
[06:52] <cbx33> for parental control?
[06:52] <ogra> well, for filtering 
[06:52] <cbx33> ok
[06:53] <cbx33> ogra thank you so much
[06:53] <cbx33> for all the help
[06:53] <cbx33> so really if you package from scratch, 
[06:53] <cbx33> the diff.tar.gz should have nothing in it
[06:53] <Amaranth> err
[06:54] <ogra> the diff.gz should contain the debian dir 
[06:54] <cbx33> oh
[06:54] <cbx33> hmmm
[06:54] <cbx33> i must have done something wrong
[06:54] <cbx33> mine only had a diff file in it
[06:54] <cbx33> that would happen if the debian dir was in the orig
[06:54] <cbx33> but it isn't
[06:55] <Amaranth> err
[06:55] <Amaranth> the diff.gz expands to a diff file
[06:55] <ogra> dpkg unpacks the orig.tar.gz and then applies the diff.gz to the source dir it unpacked
[06:55] <ogra> that as well
[06:55] <cbx33> oh yeh
[06:56] <cbx33> phew thanks Amaranth 
[06:56] <cbx33> was worried I'd done itall wrong then
[06:56] <cbx33> bbl
[06:56] <cbx33> thanks guys
[07:27] <cbx33> hey LaserJock 
[07:27] <highvoltage> LaserLaserLaser
[07:27] <highvoltage> JJJOOOCCCKKK
[07:28] <highvoltage> shew. glad someone pressed my reset button there.
[07:28] <highvoltage> how are you LaserJock?
[07:29] <cbx33> forget LaserJock how are you highvoltage 
[07:29] <cbx33> you seem a little.....hyperactive
[07:29] <cbx33> Hhhhyyypppeeerrr active
[07:29] <highvoltage> more or less the same as when you asked me an hour ago, except that i think i'm a bit burned out. which is a bit tough, because i have a lot of work to finish real soon.
[07:29] <cbx33> hehe
[07:30] <highvoltage> this has just been a strange week.
[07:30] <highvoltage> i have an intel docstation to optimise nicely with xubuntu, this company wants to roll out 1500 of them like, yesterday.
[07:30] <highvoltage> then i have another slimline computer that a company wants customised real quick with edubuntu
[07:31] <Amaranth> champagne problem
[07:31] <Burgwork> highvoltage, that is terrible problem
[07:31] <cbx33> wow
[07:31] <cbx33> what company is that??
[07:31] <Burgwork> s problems
[07:31] <Amaranth> hehe
[07:31] <cbx33> yeh I wish i did something useful like that
[07:31] <highvoltage> cbx33: CSIR South Africa
[07:32] <highvoltage> (the edubuntu part)
[07:32] <highvoltage> the company that sells the dotstations is a small local company, Bluechip computers.
[07:32] <cbx33> cool
[07:32] <Amaranth> When you start having problems like that it means you're so successful (or in this case ubuntu is) you should pop open a bottle of bubbly. :)
[07:32] <highvoltage> and then there's more stuff too.. i need to get our ubuntu setup for tuxlabs done, and it doesn't seem like i'll get everything in there that i'd hope to get, which really bums me :(
[07:33] <highvoltage> Amaranth++ :)
[07:33] <highvoltage> i'm actually getting to the point where i'm jealous of people without work, because they are capable of taking up all the good opportunities that's coming up
[07:34] <cbx33> wish i knew some of them highvoltage 
[07:34] <highvoltage> i hope to be able to go on my own in the next two years and hire one or two people, there's just so many possibilities with OSS at the moment. and more and more things are popping up all the time.
[07:35] <highvoltage> cbx33: i'm sure you see them too :)
[07:35] <cbx33> actually I really really don;t
[07:35] <highvoltage> cbx33: you even mentioned the Ubuntu PC thing earlier today :)
[07:35] <cbx33> well yeh
[07:35] <cbx33> but that ones a little too risky
[07:35] <highvoltage> (although, you need some good seed capital to start something like that)
[07:35] <highvoltage> it is, yes. you're right.
[07:38] <cbx33> gisomount has been packaged :D
[07:38] <cbx33> just need to optimise it now
[07:41] <DanielC> I'm back. Robin wrote to suggest that I run "modprobe pcmcia && modprobe pcmcia-core". I did that, and it worked!!  Suddenly my eth0 is back and I can even get on-line.
[07:42] <DanielC> Thanks everyone for the help.
[07:43] <cbx33> nice
[07:44] <cbx33> yeh, thqat was a good suggestion of his
[07:44] <cbx33> we came up with that just after you left
[08:01] <cbx33> aaaRRGGHHH i hate working with flash
[08:28] <cbx33> ping LaserJock 
[08:30] <LaserJock> i cbx33 
[08:31] <LaserJock> hi
[08:34] <cbx33> hey
[08:34] <cbx33> guess what
[08:34] <cbx33> I did it
[08:35] <cbx33> I packaged it
[08:35] <cbx33> :D
[08:48] <cbx33> There's some good new additions coming hopefully by the end of tomorrow
[08:48] <cbx33> that's not so say the beginning aren't there now :D
[08:54] <MrGreen> Anyone home?
[08:55] <HedgeMage> I'm here :)
[08:55] <MrGreen> hi
[08:55] <HedgeMage> hi there
[08:55] <MrGreen> wondering if edubuntu will install on an old 500mhz laptop?
[08:56] <MrGreen> liveCD installer will only work with 192mb ram ....
[08:56] <MrGreen> think my old lappy has about 64
[08:56] <HedgeMage> sure, the minimums for a standalone install are 500mhz and 128mb ram
[08:56] <HedgeMage> hmmm
[08:56] <MrGreen> go with install cd
[08:56] <HedgeMage> well, you can install using the text-mode insaller
[08:56] <MrGreen> ahhh
[08:56] <MrGreen> ok
[08:57] <HedgeMage> it'll likely drag if you use gnome though... you might want to consider trying xfce
[08:57] <HedgeMage> it's not quite as pretty, but it's still fairly easy to use and consumes less ram
[08:57] <MrGreen> Knoppix / ubuntu would not start
[08:57] <blue-frog> MrGreen: the only thing you can run with 64meg is a server without guidesktop
[08:57] <MrGreen> from liveCD
[08:57] <MrGreen> ;-(
[08:57] <MrGreen> DSL loaded ok
[08:57] <blue-frog> anything else on top will make it much too slow
[08:57] <HedgeMage> liveCDs need tons of ram because they aren't able to use the hard disk
[08:57] <MrGreen> true
[08:58] <cbx33> indeed
[08:58] <MrGreen> Xp (yuk!) is on there atm
[08:58] <MrGreen> hard disc
[08:58] <MrGreen> that works (2*yuk!)
[08:58] <HedgeMage> MrGreen: you could get ubuntu/edubuntu working with major tweaking... but... if you've the tech skills to try it, or want to learn, gentoo would do fine
[08:58] <blue-frog> must take ages to open anything with xp on 64meg no?
[08:58] <MrGreen> no seems ok
[08:58] <MrGreen> not that fast 
[08:59] <MrGreen> but ok
[08:59] <HedgeMage> blue-frog: I'm tempted to think that edubuntu with xfce would be fine
[08:59] <spacey> why not xubuntu?
[08:59] <MrGreen> who mentioned gentoo ;-(
[08:59] <MrGreen> lol
[08:59] <HedgeMage> spacey: that's basically what I suggested :P
[08:59] <cbx33> MrGreen, any reason it has to be edubuntu?
[08:59] <MrGreen> for my youngest
[08:59] <MrGreen> she is 6
[08:59] <cbx33> ah
[08:59] <cbx33> hmmm
[08:59] <spacey> i would certainly not suggest gentoo, *especially not* with such crappy specs
[08:59] <MrGreen> woah!!!
[08:59] <cbx33> and esp not for a 6 year old :p
[08:59] <MrGreen> ok
[08:59] <blue-frog> HedgeMage: i tried some breezy on my old laptop... to come up with soltuion of server only (64 meg)
[09:00] <cbx33> i had it running respectably on 128
[09:00] <HedgeMage> spacey: if you tweak it carefully, you can run gentoo on that... it's similar to my last laptop... I distributed compiles over the network though
[09:00] <MrGreen> DamsSmall loads up fine
[09:00] <MrGreen> but like you say running from cdrom is slllllooooowwww
[09:00] <cbx33> yeh
[09:00] <MrGreen> going to wipe XP ... 
[09:00] <cbx33> text install is the way to go
[09:00] <MrGreen> ok will do
[09:01] <MrGreen> np
[09:01] <cbx33> ubiquity just won't do it
[09:01] <MrGreen> I have installed ubuntu dapper a couple times but even on desktop 
[09:01] <MrGreen> its a slow
[09:01] <cbx33> MrGreen, really?
[09:01] <cbx33> what spec
[09:01] <MrGreen> emmm ....
[09:01] <MrGreen> amd64 3000+
[09:01] <cbx33> we had it running find on a PII with 128 Mb RAM
[09:02] <MrGreen> took about half an hour
[09:02] <cbx33> MrGreen, you gotta be kidding me? oh to install?
[09:02] <MrGreen> yup!
[09:02] <cbx33> but think about just what it's instlaling in that time
[09:02] <cbx33> companred to XP
[09:02] <MrGreen> true
[09:02] <MrGreen> not a problem
[09:02] <cbx33> you get office suite
[09:02] <cbx33> etc :p
[09:02] <MrGreen> think you should be given the option
[09:02] <MrGreen> after all
[09:02] <cbx33> for what ?
[09:02] <cbx33> not installing anything?
[09:02] <MrGreen> if you just want to install
[09:02] <MrGreen> text mode
[09:03] <MrGreen> hope that makes sense
[09:03] <spacey> MrGreen: then you should use the "alternate" cd
[09:03] <spacey> thats text
[09:03] <MrGreen> ok will do
[09:03] <MrGreen> net install even better lol
[09:03] <cbx33> if you just want a text based system server is the way to go
[09:03] <cbx33> true
[09:03] <MrGreen> I want KDE rofl
[09:03] <cbx33> nooooooooooooooooooooooO !
[09:03] <MrGreen> lol
[09:03] <MrGreen> no waay 
[09:03] <cbx33> don't start the war
[09:03] <cbx33> :p
[09:04] <MrGreen> no no
[09:04] <MrGreen> Openbox user 
[09:04] <MrGreen> ;-)
[09:04] <MrGreen> must say this is a cool channel 
[09:04] <cbx33> we try
[09:04] <HedgeMage> thanks :)
[09:04] <MrGreen> your welcome
[09:05] <spacey> 18 degrees here
[09:05] <MrGreen> lol
[09:05] <cbx33> was 28 in the office today
[09:05] <spacey> cant be hot enough :)
[09:05] <cbx33> ooooh
[09:05] <cbx33> thanky MrGreen 
[09:06] <HedgeMage> hehe
[09:07] <MrGreen> right I'll go install xubuntu on this lappy
[09:07] <MrGreen> later
[09:10] <HedgeMage> Hmmm... I have a small but urgent graphics job I need done... tried finding a friend to trade favors with for it, but I now have a deadline so I think I'm going to have to pay to have it done... any clue where I should go?
[09:11] <cbx33> what do you need
[09:11] <cbx33> remeber I've done web design and my wife is a free lance designer :p
[09:16] <cbx33> HedgeMage, ping :p
[09:17] <HedgeMage> ahh :)
[09:17] <HedgeMage> country-looking quilt stuff for my mom's web site
[09:17] <cbx33> got an example?
[09:17] <HedgeMage> she's going to be in the newspaper next week and I want to finish it so I can give out the URL
[09:17] <HedgeMage> cbx33: Ummm... lemmee see if i can find something similar
[09:17] <cbx33> kool
[09:24] <HedgeMage> grr I hate this laptop
[09:24] <cbx33> awww
[09:31] <HedgeMage> cbx33: it's hubbys and it runs windoze which lacks many features I need
[09:31] <HedgeMage> cbx33: I'm finding stuff that shares one or two qualities with what I want, but nothing that's a good example overall
[09:32] <cbx33> eeee
[09:34] <pygi> cbx33, poke :P
[09:34] <cbx33> peek
[09:35] <paolo_> ogra, I must redo the remotion of gnome-power-manager for all users, and I can't remember how... could you remember me?
[09:35] <pygi> cbx33, whats up? :)
[09:36] <cbx33> just finished packaging gisomount
[09:36] <cbx33> :)
[09:36] <ogra> paolo_, move the saved file to /etc/xdg/autostart/gnome-power-manager.desktop
[09:36] <pygi> cbx33, nice ;
[09:36] <pygi> ;)
[09:36] <paolo_> ogra, ok, thank you!
[09:37] <ogra> paolo_, for the other problem from #ltsp, could you try creating a new user and check if that happens for him as well ?
[09:37] <Burgwork> HedgeMage, windows is like that. THere are a few nice features but the basic stuff is maddeningly hard
[09:37] <paolo_> ogra, thnkx. Is it effective inmediately, or must I restart something?
[09:38] <highvoltage> battery... dying...
[09:38] <Burgwork> paolo_, log out and back in
[09:38] <ogra> should work immediately
[09:38] <Burgwork> ogra, seriously? I have never found that
[09:38] <ogra> yeah, for new logged in users :)
[09:38] <Burgwork> ah, yes
[09:39] <HedgeMage> Burgwork: what kind of person only needs one desktop?  I had to install a seperate program just to SSH !  it's maddening
[09:39] <paolo_> ogra, what ltsp problem are you thinking?
[09:40] <ogra> paolo_, the one you just asked about in the #ltsp channel :)
[09:41] <Burgwork> HedgeMage, the list is goes one
[09:41] <HedgeMage> Burgwork you mean it goes on?
[09:41] <paolo_> ogra, I didn't enter the #ltsp channel today, nor in the last 2 months
[09:41] <HedgeMage> in that case, yes, you're right.
[09:41] <Burgwork> yep
[09:43] <ogra> paolo_, lol, right, there is a guy called pablo_ asking about ubuntu ltsp, my mistake, sorry :)
[09:43] <paolo_> ogra, :-)
[09:48] <cbx33> hi pygi sorry phone went
[09:48] <cbx33> twas me dear old mum
[09:51] <cbx33> bbl
[09:51] <HedgeMage> hehe
[09:51] <HedgeMage> moms are cool
[09:55] <LaserJock> my mom doesn't call me really anymore :(
[09:56] <LaserJock> I'm not sure why
[09:57] <pygi> cbx33, no worries ;)
[09:57] <HedgeMage> my mom freaks out if I don't call her, but she calls me at least every week anyway
[09:58] <pygi> hey HedgeMage ;)
[09:58] <HedgeMage> hi pygi 
[10:03] <cbx33> bbl
[10:03] <pygi> why are only few applications visible on code.google.com/soc? :-/
[10:03] <LaserJock> cya cbx33 
[10:03] <cbx33> LaserJock, hiya
[10:03] <LaserJock> hi
[10:03] <cbx33> just popping back cos I saw you there :p
[10:03] <cbx33> I packaged and it worked
[10:04] <cbx33> I'll tell you more later
[10:04] <cbx33> :p
[10:04] <LaserJock> cool
[10:04] <cbx33> bbl
[10:04] <LaserJock> k
[10:04] <cbx33> pull the latest version
[10:04] <cbx33> checkout the info button
[10:04] <cbx33> going to be a good addition
[10:04] <cbx33> not finsihed yet
[10:04] <cbx33> bbl
[10:05] <pygi> o joy, bass guitars with 5 strings :-/
[10:10] <LaserJock> don't most bass guitars have 5 strings?
[10:11] <pygi> LaserJock, 4 strings :P
[10:11] <LaserJock> oh
[10:11] <pygi> Also just found a guitar with 12 strings :) (altought I knew it exists)
[10:11] <LaserJock> yeah, my some of my friends love 12 string guitars
[10:12] <pygi> I like regular ones, with 6 strings :P
[10:18] <sbartleylinux> ogra: ping
[11:01] <pygi> bye
[11:10] <cbx33> pygi, I agree with you on the 6 strings
[11:12] <HedgeMage> I haven't pulled out my guitar in too long...
[11:12] <cbx33> heheh
[11:13] <cbx33> sounds like we could have an edubuntu band
[11:13] <cbx33> ping LaserJock 
[11:14] <cbx33> hey bddebian 
[11:14] <bddebian> Heya cbx33
[11:14] <cbx33> right I'm off again for a while guys
[11:14] <cbx33> probably be back soon
[11:15] <bddebian> Hi folks
[11:15] <bddebian> Later cbx33
[11:29] <LaserJock> cbx33: dude, you're only around for a few minutes at a time
[11:29] <LaserJock> cbx33: I can't keep up with you :-)
[11:35] <HedgeMage> lol
[11:48] <cbx33> sorr LaserJock been busy today
[11:49] <Amaranth> so i'm going buzzword crazy
[11:49] <cbx33> Amaranth, thought of a name yet
[11:49] <Amaranth> the proxy is going to use sqlite for storage and communicate with the GUI over dbus
[11:49] <Amaranth> nope
[11:50] <cbx33> right I'm off, sorry LaserJock we'll have to chat over weekend ;P
[11:51] <Burgwork> Amaranth, you got any managed code in that there proxy?
[11:51] <Amaranth> hehe
[11:51] <Amaranth> it's python ;)
[11:51] <Burgwork> how about an ajax front end to manage it?
[11:51] <Amaranth> all i need now is a Web 2.0 admin interface and i'm fully buzzword compliant
[11:51] <Amaranth> hehe
[11:53] <Burgwork> anyway to work XGL in there?
[11:53] <Amaranth> the GUI could do some composite tricks ;)
[11:53] <spacey> Amaranth: what are you working on?
[11:53] <Amaranth> spacey: content filtering proxy
[11:53] <spacey> willow?
[11:54] <Burgwork> Amaranth, with dbus, is there a way to communicate with the system bus on another machien?
[11:54] <Amaranth> ditched willow, doing my own
[11:54] <Amaranth> Burgwork: i don't think so
[11:54] <Amaranth> that's what the web interface is for
[11:54] <Burgwork> ah
[11:54] <spacey> Amaranth: oh, ok.
[11:54] <Burgwork> Amaranth, can yer get it packaged and avaible for edgy soonish?
[11:54] <spacey> Amaranth: using the same algorithm? or different way?
[11:54] <Amaranth> spacey: it's still using bayesian filtering
[11:55] <Amaranth> Burgwork: not likely
[11:55] <spacey> Amaranth: ok thats great
[11:55] <Amaranth> Burgwork: maybe in a 3-4 weeks
[11:55] <Burgwork> ok
[11:55] <spacey> willows code just sucked ass? or why did you decide to write your own?
[11:55] <Amaranth> spacey: willow's code was pretty bad
[11:55] <Amaranth> and had license issues
[11:56] <spacey> you mean the profiler stuff
[11:56] <Amaranth> and i remade the regular proxy part in about 100 lines of code
[11:56] <Amaranth> no, worse than that
[11:56] <Amaranth> lots of magic
[11:56] <spacey> ~magic~
[11:56] <spacey> :)
[11:57] <spacey> Amaranth: if you have some beta up i would like to test it:)
[11:57] <spacey> willow has some terrible bugs
[11:57] <Amaranth> right now i'm trying to figure out a way to only queue HTML and text and send everything else straight through (as long as it passes the domain filter)
[11:57] <Amaranth> so you don't sit waiting for a 20MB download to download completely in the proxy, then get sent to you
[11:58] <spacey> thats nice
[12:05] <Amaranth> anyone have an open DNS server i can use? my ISP's just died