[12:05] <claydoh> heh
[12:20] <nico8481> damn, i removed the amarok version that i installed from czessi and did an apt-get install amarok from ubuntu's repos, and it got me 1.3.9 :(
[12:20] <nico8481> how can i get 1.4 ?
[12:21] <nico8481> apt-cache showpkg seems to find it on the repos
[12:21] <linuxmonkey> nico8481: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/amarok-1.4.php
[12:23] <nico8481> thx
[12:23] <lwizardl> i'm wanting to do character accents like  (copy/pasted that one)
[12:25] <derek_> can any one tell me the easiest way to get mp3 support in dapper
[12:25] <linuxmonkey> lwizardl: that in the regional and accessibility
[12:25] <linuxmonkey> !mp3
[12:25] <ubotu> mp3 is, like, totally, a patented format; to enable mp3 capability see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[12:26] <RadiantFire> ok, so qmake is being retarded
[12:26] <RadiantFire> it won't add /usr/include/QtXml to the include path
[12:26] <RadiantFire> er qt4/QtXml
[12:27] <RadiantFire> anyone know how I can make it?
[12:27] <linuxmonkey> lwizardl: if you kmenu->system settings->regional and accessibility and then keyboard layout
[12:29] <lwizardl> ok i don't have that in kmenu but i can get to it from the system in the task bar panel
[12:29] <derek_> i cant find it libxine-extracodecs
[12:30] <dontm> !xgl
[12:30] <ubotu> from memory, xgl is "XGL on Ubuntu: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CompositeManager - Join #ubuntu-xgl for all the XGL fun on Ubuntu systems.  Pretty videos on http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease/"
[12:30] <linuxmonkey> derek_: did you enable the 2 repositories Universe and Multiverse
[12:31] <lwizardl> linuxmonkey, ok i have the keyboard screen up but i don't see anything about multi key or accents
[12:31] <derek_> linuxmonkey ya i enabled all of them
[12:32] <linuxmonkey> lwizardl those are french accents so ...lol yeah and good lick figuring out were they are on the keyboard
[12:34] <linuxmonkey> derek_: copy and paste me your sources.list file from /etc/apt/sources.list into kubuntu.pastebin.com
[12:37] <bernier> Hmmm the icons on my desktop disapeared and its frozen
[12:37] <bernier> what should i do? :P
[12:38] <trix`G> damn i wish life had a console
[12:38] <Pc-Dummy> bernier: complete frozen? or only the icon's?
[12:38] <trix`G> killall -9 annoying-friends
[12:38] <zblach> trix`G: no processes killed
[12:39] <bernier> the icons disapeared
[12:39] <bernier> and the desktop is frozen
[12:39] <linuxmonkey> restart X
[12:39] <jrattner1_> where mplayer 1.4?
[12:39] <trix`G> bernier: Try CTRL+ALT+BACKSPACE and restart X
[12:39] <linuxmonkey> ;p
[12:40] <trix`G> jinx
[12:40] <trix`G> ...sorta
[12:40] <jrattner1_> wheres the link to mplayer 1.4
[12:40] <jrattner1_> ?
[12:40] <trix`G> apt-get install sexy-girlfriend
[12:41] <zblach> trix`G: package has unmet dependencies
[12:41] <jrattner1_> i mean amarok 1.4
[12:42] <Pc-Dummy> find -iname 'nice girlfriend' -exec ~/stop_working_and_meet_here.sh \; <-- with a console ...
[12:42] <zblach> quick question: my digital camera gives me grief. how can I use it?
[12:42] <LiNuX_LoVeR_17> How would I set Firefox as my default browser for my system?
[12:43] <trix`G> in the firefox options there should be a setting
[12:43] <Pc-Dummy> or ... apt-get -y --force-yes install do_my_work
[12:43] <trix`G> mount -t missionary sexy-girlfriend
[12:44] <LiNuX_LoVeR_17> Thanks trix`G
[12:44] <trix`G> np
[12:44] <greeko> i insert the install disk and then i get to the part where it says Uncompressing Linux... Ok, booting the kernal, then it hangs, i have waited 25 minutes now to no avail, any advice?
[12:44] <Pc-Dummy> LiNuX_LoVeR_17: goto "System settings" -> "Web Browser" -> "in the following browser": insert firefox
[12:45] <nico8481> how come that, although apt-cache showpkg finds two versions of amarok (1.3.9 and 1.4.0a), when i run "apt-get install amarok" it installs the oldest (1.3.9) one?
[12:45] <Pc-Dummy> greeko: start up with the option "noapic"
[12:45] <greeko> how do i do that, because i havent installed it yet
[12:45] <greeko> i inser the disk then choose the option install
[12:46] <Pc-Dummy> greeko:  start up from cd, write into the command line: install noapic
[12:46] <greeko> ok
[12:46] <Pc-Dummy> greeko: if that doesn't work use "install noapic noacpi"
[12:46] <drbeams> my wireless card is not working
[12:47] <trix`G> or "install dontgivemeanyshitthistime
[12:47] <Pc-Dummy> drbeams: paste the output from "lspci" to http://kubuntu.pastebin.com"  and paste the link here
[12:48] <Pc-Dummy> trix`G: lol
[12:49] <trix`G> "bash: workyoupeiceofshit!: command not found."
[12:49] <Pc-Dummy> drbeams: or use https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WiFiHowto
[12:49] <drbeams> my wireless connection is failing
[12:50] <Pc-Dummy> drbeams: you want to use WPA ?
[12:50] <trix`G> define "failing"
[12:50] <trix`G> it works then stops, never works at all, thinks its working but doesn't, gives you an error, WHAT
[12:50] <greeko> Pc-Dummy i tried both install noapic and install noapic noacpi but then i get Error 22
[12:51] <greeko> after GRUB loading, please wait...
[12:51] <Pc-Dummy> hmm ... ok ..
[12:51] <trix`G> Greeko: Is this an older computer we're talking about?
[12:51] <drbeams> Pc-Dummy: nm, i ran out of ip address on the AP
[12:51] <Pc-Dummy> the kubuntu installer doesn't known this options i think ( i have them from my debian time... )
[12:52] <drbeams> hrm, that was not it either
[12:52] <greeko> no, its pretty new, about 2 years old, but it has 1 gig memory and P4 3.2
[12:52] <drbeams> so does kubuntu force you to use encryption ?
[12:52] <Pc-Dummy> drbeams: no
[12:52] <trix`G> greeko: hmm give me a minute to refresh myself on grub errors
[12:53] <greeko> alright thanks
[12:53] <drbeams> connecting ... testing connection ... failed
[12:53] <Pc-Dummy> trix`G: i hade a newer IBM witch only startet with noapic ...
[12:53] <greeko> what are apic and acpi anyways?
[12:54] <Pc-Dummy> greeko: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acpi http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apic
[12:54] <greeko> thanks
[12:54] <[CMI] Lysander> hi all
[12:55] <drbeams> trix`G: using wireless assistant
[12:56] <Desh> I tried both methods to  install the ATI drivers on Dapper and I still get mesa as my OpenGL vendor. o_O I am running a Mobility Radeon 9700.
[12:56] <trix`G> drbeams is it installed correctly?
[12:56] <Desh> DrBeams?
[12:56] <Pc-Dummy> Desh: "both methods" ?
[12:57] <Desh> http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Dapper_Installation_Guide#Method_1:_Installing_Dapper.27s_Included_Driver_.288.25.18.29
[12:57] <trix`G> greeko: are you dualbooting with windows?
[12:57] <greeko> no this computer doesnat have anything on the harddrive
[12:57] <drbeams> Desh: trix`G
[12:57] <greeko> im just trying to install an OS
[12:57] <drbeams> installed correctly ?
[12:58] <sledge> Desh: sudo rm /etc/X11/Xsession.d/10fglrx
[12:59] <Desh> Ok.
[12:59] <Desh> Now what?
[12:59] <sledge> Desh: Then restart X (or even reboot)
[12:59] <trix`G> greeko: error 22 means it can't find the partition correctly, remember that your first partition on your first hard drive is (0,0) and 2nd partition is 0,1
[12:59] <Desh> Ok..be back..
[12:59] <sledge> Desh: hf
[01:00] <RogueJediX> Okay, I've tried a fresh install of Dapper and then a fresh install of Breezy and then upgrading to Dapper and even recompiling alsa, but STILL no sound when using Dapper Dan. Any ideas?
[01:00] <Pc-Dummy> RogueJediX: which soundcard do you have?
[01:00] <RogueJediX> Pc-Dummy: Hercules Muse XL
[01:02] <RogueJediX> Worked fine on Breezy, then suddenly sound support poofed.
[01:02] <RogueJediX> When I upgraded to Dapper, I mean.
[01:02] <sledge> RogueJediX: Poofed as in?
[01:02] <trix`G> just FYI I can't read anything longer then 1 line as my alpha irc client (Peekko) doesn't wrap, so anything past 1 line goes way offscreen
[01:02] <sledge> RogueJediX: Do you still have the sound icon in the bottom right-hand corner?
[01:02] <RogueJediX> sledge: Poofed as in went bye-bye
[01:02] <trix`G> anything longer then the line I just typed I can't see
[01:03] <RogueJediX> sledge: Yes, and before you ask, Master isn't muted
[01:03] <sledge> RogueJediX: You using a VIA chip by any chance?
[01:03] <greeko> do you know what is wrong with my comp trix`G?
[01:03] <zzeus> How named program that downloads packages and create install cd?
[01:03] <sledge> Desh: Success?
[01:03] <Desh> sledge: Still mesa.
[01:03] <trix`G> Rogue: From console hit 'ps aux' and see if you see anything labelled artsd or esd
[01:04] <trix`G> greeko: not sure, what did you use to set up grub?
[01:04] <Desh> sledge: The fglrx driver I have now was installed from the second method.
[01:04] <greeko> thats just it, i havent installed anything yet
[01:04] <greeko> i get this error when trying to install
[01:04] <RogueJediX> trix`G: None of those show up
[01:05] <sledge> Desh: Did you change your xorg.conf to use the `fglrx' driver?
[01:05] <Desh> sledge: yes
[01:05] <trix`G> ok I know you said it already but I missed it, what happens EXACTLY when you type install and hit enter?
[01:05] <Desh> What are linux-headers?
[01:05] <trix`G> Rogue: try typing "artsd" and see what it says
[01:05] <sledge> Desh: ok, remove the fglrx-related packages and then reinstall them
[01:05] <greeko> it says Uncompressing Linux... Ok, booting the kernal, then it hangs
[01:05] <trix`G> Rogue: but dont paste anything longer then 1 line
[01:05] <Desh> sledge: with adept?
[01:06] <trix`G> without using the pastebin that is
[01:06] <RogueJediX> trix`G: I don't have to. It doesn't say anything
[01:06] <Pc-Dummy> RogueJediX: run "lspci | grep -i 'sound'" in konsole
[01:06] <Desh> sledge: And through which method should I install them?
[01:06] <RogueJediX> Pc-Dummy: Nothing shows up. Is that bad?
[01:07] <Pc-Dummy> RogueJediX: ... no my fault :)
[01:07] <Pc-Dummy> RogueJediX: "lspci | grep -i 'cmedia'" ?
[01:07] <trix`G> Rogue: hit ps aux again and see if artsd shows up now that you ran it
[01:07] <kbrooks_> bachstudies: there?
[01:07] <kbrooks_> bachstudies: back up now
[01:07] <trix`G> err yeah do the lspci thing first
[01:07] <Pc-Dummy> trix`G: i think he has got a "CMedia 8378" ...
[01:07] <RogueJediX> Nothing, but there is this line: 0000:00:0f.0 Multimedia audio controller: C-Media Electronics Inc CM8738 (rev 10)
[01:08] <Pc-Dummy> ahh 8738 ... :)
[01:08] <trix`G> greeko: hmm
[01:08] <trix`G> greeko: haven't forgotten you no worries, i'm thinking
[01:08] <greeko> alright thats cool
[01:08] <Pc-Dummy> RogueJediX: now run "lsmod | grep cmipci"
[01:08] <trix`G> Pc-Dummy: gah I hate onboard sound
[01:09] <Pc-Dummy> <-- too
[01:09] <jrattner1_> amarok 1.4 keeps seg faulting unless i run it as root
[01:09] <nico8481> RadiantFire: looks like 1.4.0 has its how repos (http://kubuntu.org/packages/amarok-14). just installed it from there but i still have the same problem...
[01:09] <trix`G> greeko: go to your BIOS and see if DMA is enabled
[01:09] <Pc-Dummy> RogueJediX: any output?
[01:09] <trix`G> on your hard drive
[01:09] <jrattner1_> where does amarok store its files
[01:09] <RogueJediX> Pc-Dummy: Just put it in pastebin: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/766331
[01:09] <sledge> Desh: Any.... Adept, apt-get, etc.
[01:10] <trix`G> jrattner1_: which files? program files or sound files?
[01:10] <jrattner1_> program files
[01:10] <greeko> trix`G: Alright, should it be enabled or disabled?
[01:10] <Pc-Dummy> RogueJediX: ... ok the driver is here ...
[01:10] <Desh> sledge: Option	    "OpenGLOverlay" "off" <-- Bad?
[01:10] <Pc-Dummy> RogueJediX: kmix show's some channels?
[01:10] <trix`G> for a newer PC most likely should be enabled
[01:11] <trix`G> which is it?
[01:11] <jrattner1_> trix`G, ?
[01:11] <RogueJediX> Pc-Dummy: Output tab: Master: Maxed out, phone: low setting, PC speaker: low setting
[01:11] <trix`G> jratt: i'm not sure dont use amorak try find amorak
[01:12] <Pc-Dummy> RogueJediX: .. hmm ...
[01:12] <greeko> trix`G: i cant find the option in the BIOS to enable or disable it specifically
[01:12] <greeko> but i could find options about its timing and such
[01:12] <trix`G> what does it say in bios about DMA?
[01:12] <greeko> so i think it is enabled
[01:13] <Pc-Dummy> RogueJediX: ur sound is noise ?
[01:13] <Pc-Dummy> RogueJediX: or NO sound ?
[01:13] <RogueJediX> Pc-Dummy: Nope, no noise. No sound whatsoever
[01:13] <trix`G> greeko: ok it's probably ok but what is on your hard drive now?
[01:14] <trix`G> Rogue: any errors when trying to play sound?
[01:14] <RogueJediX> trix`G: No, that's what annoys me to no end. I can see amaroK playing just fine.
[01:14] <greeko> there may be an old FC install on it, its actually a USB harddrive, not IDE
[01:14] <greeko> but i dont have an adapter to put it directly in the machine
[01:14] <trix`G> Rogue: try hitting "artsd start" without the quotes
[01:15] <trix`G> ohhhhhh
[01:15] <Desh> sledge: I cannot uninstall xorg-driver-fglrx
[01:15] <Desh> sledge: Can I pm you the error?
[01:15] <trix`G> greeko: I know little about USB hard drives but I do know that that is definately the problem
[01:15] <RogueJediX> trix`G: Done. amaroK is still merrily playing its tunes without giving me any sound
[01:16] <trix`G> Rogue: try artsd stop then artsd start
[01:16] <greeko> alright, i assumed it would work, because with FC there was no problems in the install at all
[01:16] <trix`G> wait for it to stop before hitting start
[01:16] <trix`G> and stop playing the file till you start it again
[01:16] <RogueJediX> Hmm...
[01:16] <RogueJediX> trix`G: When I tried to play a file in amaroK, I spotted this in yakuake:
[01:17] <RogueJediX> couldn't load file /home/roguejedix/.mldonkey/shared/Music/Guilty Gear XX #Reload Korean Version OST 2/05-05_Pillars of the Underworld.mp3
[01:17] <trix`G> greeko: hmm, well my best guess, emphasis on "guess", is that the kernel is trying to load ide drivers by default
[01:17] <trix`G> Rogue: I can't read anything you said paste "Pillars of the Underw"
[01:17] <trix`G> past*
[01:18] <RogueJediX> trix`G: Just the rest of the file name and .mp3
[01:18] <trix`G> Rogue: and ...pirated music == baaad.  shame on you.
[01:18] <greeko> thanks trix`G, does anyone know how to install ubuntu on a portable Harddrive?
[01:18] <Desh> Does anyone know what's wrong? http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/766349
[01:18] <trix`G> but maybe it's the songs themselves that wont work, maybe a bad copy
[01:18] <xst> Aren't there some way of scaling down ALL fonts on the kde desktop? I think the used fonts are quite large in the default install so I want to shrink them.
[01:19] <RogueJediX> trix`G: Nuh-uh. Tried them on the windows partition, they play fine
[01:19] <trix`G> oh and Rogue, did you read this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[01:19] <ataraxis_> xst: best way is to set DisplaySize in xorg.conf
[01:19] <RogueJediX> trix`G: Yup, I did
[01:19] <trix`G> mp3 wont play on kubuntu without some modifications
[01:19] <trix`G> you did all that?
[01:20] <Pc-Dummy> Desh: apt known's that you have overwritten that file, so it does not want to remove it ...
[01:20] <Pc-Dummy> Desh: i think :P
[01:20] <RogueJediX> trix`G: Yup. Just checked
[01:21] <trix`G> greeko: try google "installing linux on USB" see what you get
[01:21] <Desh> Pc-Dummy: I created a symlink in an earlier step, sudo ln -s /usr/lib/dri /usr/lib/xorg/modules/dri, I need to remove this I think.
[01:21] <nico8481> anyone using amarok 1.4.0? do you have a display problem with the "Playing: ..." string in the lower left part of the window? if not, where did you get amarok from?
[01:21] <trix`G> Rogue: ok use 'ps aux' do you see artsd in there?
[01:22] <trix`G> gonna try something I was forced to do with OnBoard sound one time
[01:22] <RogueJediX> trix`G: Nope
[01:22] <zblach> i have a built in webcam in my laptop, but it's causing me grief in ubuntu. how can I use it?
[01:22] <trix`G> try 'killall artsd'
[01:23] <trix`G> what does it say
[01:23] <RogueJediX> no process killed
[01:23] <trix`G> ok type 'esd' what happens
[01:23] <trix`G> though i hate esd
[01:23] <RogueJediX> command not found
[01:24] <trix`G> err
[01:24] <trix`G> right
[01:24] <trix`G> what happens when you hit artsd starty
[01:24] <trix`G> start*
[01:24] <Pc-Dummy> RogueJediX: "sudo apt-get install mpg123", "mpg123 yourmp3file"
[01:24] <Pc-Dummy> RogueJediX: do you get any output then?
[01:24] <RogueJediX> Pc-Dummy: Already tried that. No errors, no feedback
[01:24] <trix`G> Pc-Dummy: he did that already he said
[01:24] <xst> I have set the font sizes in the system settings but for some reason firefox and evolution keeps having huge and ugly fonts. What to do?
[01:24] <Pc-Dummy> ahh ok ...
[01:24] <RogueJediX> trix`G: Nothing
[01:25] <Pc-Dummy> ohh .. i'm sry .. wasnt reading
[01:25] <trix`G> try typing 'oss'
[01:25] <RogueJediX> trix`G: Command not found
[01:25] <Desh> How would U remove this symlink: sudo ln -s /usr/lib/dri /usr/lib/xorg/modules/dri ?
[01:26] <trix`G> hmm eSound and OpenSoundSystem both not found, oh wait right
[01:26] <Pc-Dummy> xst: try -> system settings -> apperance -> "GTK ..." -> "use my kde styl in ..."
[01:26] <trix`G> apt-get install esd
[01:26] <Pc-Dummy> Desh: sudo rm -f /usr/lib/xorg/modules/dri
[01:26] <Desh> Thanks.
[01:27] <xst> pc-dummy: I have already done that but still the non-KDE apps has huge fonts. :-(
[01:27] <trix`G> after you install esd close anything using sound, then run esd
[01:27] <RogueJediX> trix`G: No package named esd
[01:27] <Desh> Argh, still won't let me uninstall. :( how does one forge an uninstall?
[01:27] <Desh> *force
[01:27] <trix`G> grr try oss
[01:28] <trix`G> <--- used to mandriva
[01:28] <trix`G> "urpmi esd" always worked for me, not good with apt
[01:28] <RogueJediX> trix`G: esound maybe?
[01:28] <trix`G> yeah that's it
[01:28] <trix`G> apt-get install esound
[01:29] <RogueJediX> And it's running and running...
[01:29] <xst> It helps to start the gnome-settings-daemon but I think this is too much of a hack.
[01:29] <Desh> Can anyone help me remove the fglrx driver?
[01:29] <trix`G> Desh: apt-get remove fglrx?
[01:29] <RogueJediX> trix`G: Nothing happens
[01:30] <trix`G> you mean it wont install?
[01:30] <Desh> trix`G: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/766349
[01:30] <RogueJediX> trix`G: Nah, it installed just fine. Nothing happens when I run it
[01:30] <Pc-Dummy> Desh: try .. (i dont known if it works...) "dpkg --force-all deinstall <package>"
[01:30] <trix`G> nothing is supposed to, try your mp3 now
[01:30] <trix`G> make sure Master didn't mute itself
[01:31] <sireliah> is there a way to display the past history of packages installed? i want to check to see if i got the security updates
[01:31] <RogueJediX> trix`G: "Can't open default sound device!"
[01:31] <Pc-Dummy> sireliah: loggend in file /var/log/dpkg.log
[01:32] <Pc-Dummy> sireliah: logged i mean ...
[01:32] <trix`G> sireliah: try to install them, any decent package manager will give you an "already installed" message
[01:32] <trix`G> Rogue: ok one sec try this command without touching anything
[01:32] <sireliah> trix i know, but i have a TON of installed packages, i dont know which are security
[01:32] <noteventime> HUMORIX
[01:32] <noteventime> Linux World Domination... One Joke at a Time
[01:33] <Pc-Dummy> sireliah: "apt-get update; apt-get dist-uprade" <-- does the job
[01:33] <trix`G> "play /home/roguejedix/.mldonkey/shared/Music/Guilty*.mp3"
[01:33] <trix`G> in console
[01:34] <RogueJediX> trix`G: bash: play: command not found
[01:34] <Pc-Dummy> sireliah: another way is "dpkg -l <your-package-regex-here>" to search for them ...
[01:34] <Desh> Pc-Dummy: Nope, didn't work.
[01:34] <trix`G> err damn debian distros
[01:34] <Pc-Dummy> Desh: no such package or same error as with apt ?
[01:34] <Desh> Same error.
[01:34] <sireliah> ok my computer isnt detecting any os/security updates, checked log dont see any. i have been told there are 8 since the release on june 1st
[01:34] <bernier> how can i know if my nvidia drivers are installed and working?
[01:35] <sireliah> pc-dummy it detects nothing
[01:35] <trix`G> Rogue: is there any option within your mp3 player that will let you change the default sound device or damaen?
[01:35] <Pc-Dummy> sireliah: sudo vi /etc/apt/sources.list <-- you have enabled the security updates there?
[01:35] <trix`G> Rogue: and try hitting "esd start"
[01:35] <trix`G> though I think esd start is invalid
[01:35] <RogueJediX> trix`G: Yeah, I can switch between arts and xine
[01:36] <trix`G> try xine
[01:36] <Desh> Pc-Dummy: same
[01:36] <sireliah> it says i have them enabled, there is a bunch of blank lines too
[01:36] <bernier> how can i know if my nvidia drivers are installed and working?
[01:36] <RogueJediX> trix`G: That was my default setting. I just recently tried it with arts
[01:36] <trix`G> or you can try apt-get install xmms
[01:36] <Pc-Dummy> bernier: use "glxinfo | head -n 10"
[01:36] <trix`G> i always preferred xmms
[01:36] <bernier> thanks!
[01:37] <Pc-Dummy> you will see a line with ="server glx vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation"
[01:37] <Pc-Dummy> @ bernier
[01:37] <Pc-Dummy> if it works
[01:37] <bernier> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[01:37] <bernier> i have this line like 10 times
[01:37] <Pc-Dummy> ahh ... your drivers arent working
[01:38] <bernier> Hmmm
[01:38] <bernier> but i have installed them with adept =/
[01:39] <RogueJediX> trix`G: xmms failed to produce any sound as well
[01:39] <trix`G> Rogue: yeah but somewhere in the options I'm pretty sure you can select it to use esd or esound instead of arts
[01:39] <Pc-Dummy> bernier: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia?highlight=%28nvidia%29 <-- check that manual
[01:40] <bernier> thanks a lot
[01:40] <bernier> =D
[01:40] <sireliah> anyone here use cedega? know where i can find the demo?
[01:40] <trix`G> www.transgaming.org
[01:40] <RogueJediX> trix`G: Nothing with esound or oss or anything else
[01:41] <trix`G> forget the demo it's $5 a month man
[01:41] <sireliah> trix the demo isnt there, just subscribe
[01:41] <sireliah> i want to se how it works first
[01:41] <Pc-Dummy> RogueJediX: ... the mixer value's are ok ?
[01:41] <trix`G> the demo is there, give me a sec i'll find it
[01:41] <Pc-Dummy> RogueJediX: the problem is since an update, right?
[01:41] <RogueJediX> Pc-Dummy: Pretty much
[01:42] <sireliah> trix: thanks, i scanned all over and couldnt see it
[01:42] <RogueJediX> Pc-Dummy: Yeah. After I upgraded to Dapper, the sound went AWOL
[01:43] <Pc-Dummy> RogueJediX: try to downgrade your kernel ...
[01:43] <Pc-Dummy> you known the old kernel version?
[01:43] <sledge> Desh: Sorry man, I got sidetracked.
[01:43] <RogueJediX> Pc-Dummy: Hm, yeah. There are some old ones left from Breezy. I'll try that. brb
[01:43] <Desh> sledge: no problem.
[01:44] <Desh> sledge: I have a problem, http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/766349
[01:44] <trix`G> sireliah: looks like they don't offer a demo anymore
[01:44] <sireliah> !!!
[01:44] <ubotu> sireliah: parse error: Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[01:44] <trix`G> I may be able to find you a slightly older full version though
[01:45] <trix`G> or you can compile yourself from the CVS tree
[01:45] <sireliah> parse error?
[01:45] <Cayou> hello guys! I got a problem: While trying to start Adept, it says: Read Only mode: Database locked... it says another process is using the packaging system database, but I just booted the computer... HELP!!!
[01:45] <KuLover> Can someone please give me a hand on formating a hard drive? Thanks much.
[01:45] <Desh> Cayou: Ised to get that, it went away afterwards. Try closing Adept and then opening it again.
[01:46] <Desh> Cayou: I used*
[01:46] <Pc-Dummy> KuLover: your system hard drive?
[01:46] <KuLover> Cayou, try running the terminal and type "sudo apt-get update" then do "sudo apt-get upgrade". Make sure Adept is closed. After running the trminal commands try again.
[01:46] <Cayou> Won't work
[01:46] <Cayou> min
[01:46] <KuLover> Pc-Dummy, no, just an extra internal drive.
[01:46] <bernier> how can i know the amount of my hard drive that is taken?
[01:47] <KuLover> Pc-Dummy, I know how to mount, I just need help formatting.
[01:47] <quizy> who here has played with a thinkpad and nvram?
[01:47] <trix`G> sireliah: gah looks like I deleted the package, sorry
[01:47] <Pc-Dummy> KuLover: you have partitions ?
[01:47] <Desh> bernier, in a konqueror window, make the address '/' without the 's and right click on an empty space and select Properties.
[01:48] <trix`G> sireliah: google can find you a walk through on how to compile it yourself though, it's not too hard and the newest version
[01:48] <bernier> thanks desh
[01:48] <KuLover> Pc-Dummy, Its an un formatted drive, separate from my main system HDD. My system drive does have partitions though, if thats what you mean.
[01:48] <haider> You guys know how to upgrade to the newest KDE version?
[01:48] <Desh> bernier, no problem.
[01:48] <Pc-Dummy> KuLover: i known the only the freaky way, ok?
[01:49] <Cayou> KuLover: How about this when I ran update: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.
[01:49] <trix`G> haider: Nope, none of us have the slightest idea.
[01:49] <trix`G> haider: lol I'm joking, i'm sure there are loads on howto's on the kde website
[01:49] <KuLover> Cayou, do you see an incon in the bottom left of your toolbar? It looks like a box with an exlamation point on it?
[01:49] <RogueJediX> Well, that didn't work
[01:50] <Pc-Dummy> RogueJediX: shit :(
[01:50] <Cayou> KuLover: no
[01:50] <haider> trix`G: Hehe, sorry for that lazy question... I will try to find it! :)
[01:50] <trix`G> google is your friend
[01:51] <Pc-Dummy> someone knowns a graphical "fdisk" version ?
[01:51] <RogueJediX> Damn. Does this mean downgrading to Breezy is in order? x_x
[01:51] <KuLover> Cayou, have you tried enableing all repos in the repo manager in adept? You can edit that, even with the error message.
[01:51] <quizy> Pc-Dummy: QtParted
[01:51] <trix`G> Rogue: you can always try the old masters technique of finding something big and heavy and whacking your computer with it
[01:51] <trix`G> Rogue: <---= not responsible for any damages
[01:51] <KuLover> Pc-Dummy, Im okay with freaky..
[01:52] <RogueJediX> trix`G: I was thinking more along the lines of explosives
[01:52] <Cayou> KuLover: ok, I think it's working, I ran the dpkg --configure -a command
[01:52] <Pc-Dummy> KuLover: use "sudo apt-get install qtparted"; sudo qtparted
[01:52] <KuLover> Cayou, Alrighty.. come back if you have more troubles.
[01:52] <Pc-Dummy> KuLover: that the easy way ;P
[01:52] <trix`G> <--- DEFINATELY not responsible for any damages injuries or deaths resulting from pulling an "Office Space" on your computer
[01:52] <Cayou> Thanks guys, Kubuntu rocks!
[01:52] <KuLover> Pc-Dummy, Thanks much! :)
[01:52] <trix`G> "damn it feels good to be a gangster"
[01:53] <sledge> Desh: dpkg-divert --remove /usr/lib/libGL.so.1
[01:53] <Pc-Dummy> loool trix`G
[01:53] <Desh> sledge:
[01:53] <Desh> dpkg-divert: rename involves overwriting `/usr/lib/libGL.so.1' with
[01:53] <Desh>   different file `/usr/lib/fglrx/libGL.so.1.xlibmesa', not allowed
[01:53] <RogueJediX> When is edgy released again?
[01:53] <bernier> Pc-Dummy sorry for all those questions but I've done everything written in the guide , i have a tnt2 card so i installed the legacy drivers and the linux restricted modle but it doesnt work =/
[01:53] <RogueJediX> I may have to skip an entire release
[01:53] <trix`G> 6 months I expect
[01:54] <r0xz> trix`G: Office Space (1999) right?
[01:54] <trix`G> this one was only a week ago
[01:54] <trix`G> r0xz: yeah
[01:54] <r0xz> lol
[01:54] <sledge> Desh: can you just move /usr/lib/libGL.so.1 out of the way?
[01:54] <Pc-Dummy> bernier: that's no problem, i love to help! :)
[01:54] <RogueJediX> Oh well. Breezy for 6 more months isn't that bad. I'll only have to compile some dozen apps to get them to their latest versions
[01:55] <sledge> I need a 40-hour nap. :(
[01:55] <trix`G> Rogue: You could just manually update everything you use except sound
[01:55] <KuLover> Pc-Dummy, How do I open it, once installed.
[01:55] <trix`G> Rogue: and have a psuedo-dapper
[01:55] <Pc-Dummy> bernier: you haven't forgotten "sudo nvidia-glx-config enable" ?
[01:56] <Pc-Dummy> bernier: and restart x after?
[01:56] <Pc-Dummy> KuLover: sudo qtparted
[01:56] <KuLover> Thanks again
[01:56] <Pc-Dummy> np
[01:56] <RogueJediX> trix`G: That's a good idea. But it'll have to wait until I wake up. It's 2 AM already. Yikes.
[01:56] <trix`G> know that feeling
[01:56] <trix`G> though it's only 7pm here
[01:57] <trix`G> you in australia or something?
[01:57] <Tallia1Kubuntu> hola
[01:57] <RogueJediX> Thanks for your help trix`G, Pc-Dummy and whoever else I left out. Night night
[01:57] <trix`G> night
[01:57] <Desh> sledge: sudo rm /usr/lib/libGL.so.1 did the trick. :)
[01:57] <Tallia1Kubuntu> somebody can tell me what's happening to X? as soon as i play a movie using XV i get the following: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/ggeAA633.html
[01:57] <Desh> sledge: thanks
[01:57] <sledge> Desh: :)
[01:57] <Tallia1Kubuntu> or better, X crashes and restart
[01:57] <sledge> Desh: \o/
[01:57] <Tallia1Kubuntu> and the one in the file is the content of dmesg
[01:58] <trix`G> Tall:  what was that link again?
[01:58] <Desh> sledge: Haha thanks, so what method should I use to install fglrx so that OpenGl is done by that driver and no mesa?
[01:58] <trix`G> the pasted one
[01:59] <bernier> pc-dummy it gives me a long error message
[01:59] <bernier> when i type sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[01:59] <trix`G> actually nevermind, diablo IIx is calling me
[01:59] <trix`G> later geeks!
[01:59] <Pc-Dummy> paste it to: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com
[01:59] <Pc-Dummy> @ bernier
[01:59] <bernier> kk
[01:59] <Pc-Dummy> cu trix`G
[01:59] <rashkae> When I try to install the Konsole bitmap fonts, I get a error message that the system cannot install console8x16.pcf.gz .  I searched for this error message in google, but the only reference some back as Ubuntu
[02:00] <rashkae> Anyone know a fix / workaround?
[02:00] <sledge> Desh: Install the fglrx driver provided by multiverse/universe. a previous package contained that funky script you deleted earlier which fucked things up.
[02:00] <bernier> pc-dummy its alright i got it :P
[02:00] <Pc-Dummy> ahh ok, nice!
[02:00] <bernier> well
[02:00] <bernier> lets see if it works
[02:00] <bernier> wait
[02:01] <Desh> sledge: ok, so i unblacklisted fglrx, I think, let me check..
[02:01] <bernier> I have to restart X
[02:01] <bernier> brb
[02:01] <Desh> sledge: first I am removing all that crap step two made me download to usr/src
[02:01] <Pc-Dummy> bernier: cu
[02:02] <Desh> sledge: how can I remove a directory?
[02:02] <rashkae> desh rm dirname -rf  use with care.
[02:02] <KuLover> Anyone know how to format a dirve in qtparted into a reiserfs partition?
[02:02] <Desh> rashkae, thanks. ;)
[02:03] <Pc-Dummy> KuLover: create the partition with qtparted ...
[02:03] <rashkae> desh: I'm sure that's not what you were asking, but I couldn't resist :)
[02:03] <Pc-Dummy> then there will appear the partition name, write it down and format it on konsole by: mkfs.reiserfs
[02:03] <Desh> rashkae, oh but it worked, got rid of the fglrx folder under usr/src/modules
[02:03] <Desh> I love command line...
[02:03] <Pc-Dummy> mkfs.reiserfs </dev/(h|s)dxX
[02:03] <Tallia1Kubuntu> !mouse
[02:03] <ubotu> methinks mouse is Enabling extra buttons  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ManyButtonsMouseHowto or http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=65471&highlight=evdev Installing extra cursor themes can be done easily with gcursor
[02:04] <rashkae> Desh, Oh, you mean, you really were asking how to delete a dir on your own system?
[02:04] <bernier> pc-dummy i saw the nvidia splashscreen so it worls! :P
[02:04] <bernier> thanks a lor
[02:04] <bernier> lot*
[02:04] <bernier> works*
[02:04] <bernier> wow i have a hard time typing
[02:04] <Pc-Dummy> bernier: ok, fine!
[02:04] <Desh> rashkae, yeah, it was protected so I couldn't delete it with the GUI and sudo rm didn't work.
[02:05] <Desh> sledge: what was the file I had to kill before?
[02:05] <bernier> but my resolution is so big
[02:05] <Pc-Dummy> <-- loves typing :)
[02:05] <KuLover> Pc-Dummy, I understood most of that. The only part I dont understand is after the /dev/. What does "(h|s)dxX" stand for
[02:05] <bernier> how can i change it^
[02:05] <Pc-Dummy> KuLover: you get it from qtparted
[02:05] <rashkae> desh Well, like I said, -rf is something you want to use with care.  lots and lots of care.
[02:05] <Pc-Dummy> like /dev/sda1 on usb
[02:05] <KuLover> Got ya
[02:05] <Pc-Dummy> or /dev/sdb1 or something like that
[02:06] <KuLover> Is reiserfs not neccisary for a storage drive?
[02:06] <Pc-Dummy> KuLover: ... think think think .. before you press ok!
[02:06] <Desh> rashkae, yeah, I learned that deleting things can result is lots of crap the hard way, ie, windows xp registry :-P
[02:06] <Pc-Dummy> KuLover: for me .. i dont like reiserfs in the past because it crashed to much.. i use ext3
[02:07] <Pc-Dummy> liked
[02:07] <bernier> How can I change my screen resolution^
[02:07] <Pc-Dummy> bernier: you have a TFT or CRT ?
[02:07] <bernier> what<s that^ =/
[02:07] <Pc-Dummy> Flat or Big Monitor ? ;P
[02:07] <bernier> big :P
[02:08] <DaSkreech> rashkae: HI HOw'd it work out?
[02:08] <Desh> bernier, dapper or breezy?
[02:08] <bernier> dapper
[02:08] <DaSkreech> nikkiana: Hello :)
[02:08] <nikkiana> hi DaSkreech
[02:08] <DaSkreech> nikkiana: Nice to see you again :)
[02:08] <nikkiana> DaSkreech, nice to see you too :)
[02:08] <Desh> K Menu -> System Settings -> Display -> Size Orientation & Positioning Tab (Admin mode)
[02:09] <Desh> bernier, the resolutions found there are the ones supported by your monitor and video card driver
[02:09] <Pc-Dummy> KuLover: onother way to all the devices "sudo fdisk -l"
[02:10] <KuLover> Pc-Dummy another way to what? all the devices?
[02:10] <_henry> Can anyone help??  I choose to use foxfire and thunderbird for web and mail.... how can I change the system so that when I click a url in thunderbird it will open in firefox???
[02:10] <Pc-Dummy> every partition has a own "named block device"
[02:10] <Pc-Dummy> you need them to format your disk
[02:11] <Kadran> hi all :)
[02:11] <Desh> Umm in the thunderbird options, there should besomewhere where you set the default broswer, type 'firefox' in the field, _henry
[02:12] <Kadran> i want to know if it possible to make two different harddisks have the same mount point?
[02:12] <Healot> no... not at the same time
[02:12] <StoyJodido> hello, anybody has a while to help me with a damn problem Ive been trying to fix for nearly 2 days
[02:12] <Kadran> i want to extend the home partition with new harddisk?
[02:12] <Pc-Dummy> Healot: one can overwrite the other ...
[02:12] <Desh> sledge: I followed the steps to install from the repositories, now I came to the reboot section, which I shll do shortly, however, is there anything else I should edit, delete, etc? Like, the Wiki says that I may need to add the symlink for accelerated OpenGL, should I do that?
[02:13] <Pc-Dummy> Kadran: ahh ... extend ..
[02:13] <Healot> Kadran: if you like to extend volume, you can use LVM
[02:13] <Kadran> Healot: can you help me more?
[02:13] <Desh> Is LVM as badass as the Google definition says it is?
[02:13] <Healot> !lvm
[02:13] <ubotu> lvm is, like, totally, (for the moment) http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/
[02:13] <Kadran> thanks guys :)
[02:13] <Healot> VM on windows is easy, but in linux, a like...
[02:14] <Desh> !fglrx
[02:14] <ubotu> [ati]  http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/hardware.html#installatidriver or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI ... the radeon 9200 and below are supported by the open-source drivers
[02:14] <Desh> :-O!!!!!
[02:14] <DaSkreech> Healot: Virtual machines?
[02:14] <StoyJodido> anyone can give me some help plz? I think its a quite strange problem that I got
[02:14] <Healot> DaSkreech: Volume Management
[02:14] <StoyJodido> therere little references on the web about it
[02:14] <Healot> sorry same abbreviation
[02:15] <DaSkreech> Healot: Ah Ok
[02:15] <DaSkreech> It's not that hard on Linux
[02:15] <DaSkreech> Just requires some reading :)
[02:15] <Healot> not really...
[02:15] <Healot> same fundamental, different ways to do it
[02:16] <Healot> just don't install grub on a LVM volume :)
[02:16] <StoyJodido> I cant log into kde, it just gets stuck after I write the login/password, before ksplash appears
[02:16] <DaSkreech> RIght but outside of RedHat ther is no right click to setup option
[02:16] <DaSkreech> Healot: Yeah
[02:16] <KuLover> Pc-Dummy is it normal that new newly formatted drive, formated wth ext3 has about 8gb already allocated?
[02:16] <Healot> DaSkreech: ubuntu installer has LVM option
[02:16] <Pc-Dummy> KuLover: no
[02:17] <DaSkreech> Healot: Yeah I know
[02:17] <Pc-Dummy> KuLover: that's your system drive i think :)
[02:17] <KuLover> Pc-Dummy No lol.. I made sure it wasnt. I wouldnt want to make that mistake. This qtparted software loks like its still verryy buggy though.
[02:18] <_henry> Desh: I've searched & searched... can't find anywhere
[02:18] <Pc-Dummy> <-- never used qtparted :))
[02:18] <DaSkreech> heavily :-)
[02:18] <KuLover> Pc-Dummy Hmm.. yeah.. I reccomend you dont.. "(yet)"
[02:18] <StoyJodido> anybody can plz help me with my kde problem?
[02:18] <DaSkreech> StoyJodido: What now?
[02:19] <StoyJodido> well
[02:19] <StoyJodido>  I cant log into kde, it just gets stuck after I write the login/password, before ksplash appears. Also, top shows kbuildsyscoca takes 99% cpu. Any hint to solve that?
[02:19] <KuLover> Anyone know of a partition manager, other than qtparted?
[02:19] <StoyJodido> and I havent done anything strange, it just fucked it up itself
[02:19] <Pc-Dummy> KuLover: ... fdisk :)
[02:19] <StoyJodido> :S
[02:19] <Pc-Dummy> fdisk /dev/sdx
[02:19] <Pc-Dummy> aehm ... sudo fdisk /dev/sdx
[02:20] <StoyJodido> I googled many forums and webs but just little information on that thing, so I bet its not a common problem
[02:20] <StoyJodido> :(
[02:20] <DaSkreech> StoyJodido: What happened? Just Tuesday it quit and ran off with the secretary?
[02:20] <Pc-Dummy> StoyJodido: try to make a new user and login as that user
[02:21] <StoyJodido> well I tried
[02:21] <StoyJodido> as Ive read that on a website
[02:21] <StoyJodido> but
[02:21] <StoyJodido> then the kdm didnt even appeared
[02:21] <StoyJodido> just an odd plain xwindow window saying something was missing
[02:22] <DaSkreech> What was missing?
[02:22] <StoyJodido> I think it was about a file in the new user .kde folder
[02:22] <StoyJodido> I dont remind as right now I have to use windows to write this
[02:22] <Pc-Dummy> StoyJodido: with the new user ... say u want kde
[02:22] <StoyJodido> how
[02:23] <StoyJodido> I just added the user with useradd
[02:23] <StoyJodido> from console
[02:23] <Pc-Dummy> on kdm you can say which session type you want to start i think
[02:23] <StoyJodido> as I cant log into x
[02:23] <KuLover> Pc-Dummy, When someone asks for a GUI partition program, reccomend Gparted to them ;)
[02:23] <Pc-Dummy> <-- ex gentoo and debian user ...
[02:23] <DaSkreech> Pc-Dummy: KDM doesn't work
[02:23] <NeoChaosX> Um, hm
[02:23] <StoyJodido> ok Ill try that way
[02:23] <Pc-Dummy> KuLover: thx! :)
[02:23] <StoyJodido> that path I mean
[02:23] <NeoChaosX> Can anyboyd help me get my USB external HD to mount on boot?
[02:23] <NeoChaosX> anybody*
[02:24] <StoyJodido> but do you have any clue what could be the reason?
[02:24] <Pc-Dummy> DaSkreech: was thinking KDM works but KDE not ...
[02:24] <Pc-Dummy> StoyJodido: no sry
[02:24] <StoyJodido> sometimes it gets stuck in ksplash when it shows "starting services"
[02:24] <StoyJodido> its the second icon that appears in ksplash
[02:25] <bernier> Another problem =p, when i try to install the drivers for my printer it says i do not have the right to so i guess i have to login as root but i dunno how   because i install them with the kind of KDE print gui
[02:25] <StoyJodido> its a fresh dapper instal
[02:25] <StoyJodido> Ill go try some things then come back
[02:25] <Pc-Dummy> StoyJodido: remove/move your .kde folder?
[02:25] <StoyJodido> yep I already did that
[02:25] <Pc-Dummy> same problem ?
[02:25] <StoyJodido> yes
[02:26] <StoyJodido> I think that was when it started to not even load ksplash
[02:26] <StoyJodido> also there was a moment when it just restarted itself back to kdm
[02:26] <Pc-Dummy> hmm .. no idee here ... sry @ StoyJodido
[02:26] <StoyJodido> well thx anyway
[02:27] <Pc-Dummy> Bernier: you can go in Administrative mode there,r ight?
[02:27] <Bernier> how?
[02:27] <StoyJodido> Ive changed to a 686 recompiled kernel but I think thats not the reason, as I had already booted into X before with that new kernel
[02:27] <Pc-Dummy> on the right bottom: "Administrative mode..."
[02:27] <Pc-Dummy> @ Bernier
[02:28] <Pc-Dummy> StoyJodido: when it does start wxwindows i think the problem is anything else than kde ...
[02:28] <StoyJodido> probably
[02:28] <StoyJodido> but logs arent really helpful
[02:28] <Bernier> you're right
[02:28] <Pc-Dummy> ouhhh... 02:28 AM here ...
[02:28] <Bernier> i had to scroll down :P
[02:29] <Pc-Dummy> lol :)
[02:29] <StoyJodido> here too :(
[02:29] <StoyJodido> shit
[02:29] <StoyJodido> Im desperate
[02:29] <DaSkreech> !laguage
[02:29] <ubotu> No idea, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, DaSkreech
[02:29] <DaSkreech> !language
[02:29] <ubotu> Please watch your language. We try to be nice and help but some of us don't like to see such things on our screen.
[02:30] <StoyJodido> kdm_greet[4934] : Internal error: memory corruption detected
[02:30] <StoyJodido> thats the only error that shows there
[02:30] <Pc-Dummy> .. your memory is ok?
[02:31] <StoyJodido> as long as I know it is
[02:31] <StoyJodido> I mean how can I know, right now Im in windows and everything works so
[02:31] <Bernier> pc-dummy i logged in administrator
[02:31] <Bernier> but i still get the same message
[02:32] <Bernier> they say that the pilot may not exist or i do not have the right to install
[02:32] <Pc-Dummy> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/47455 @ StoyJodido ?
[02:32] <Pc-Dummy> Bernier: pilot ?
[02:32] <Bernier> lol
[02:32] <Bernier> driver srry
[02:32] <Bernier> im mixing languages
[02:32] <Bernier> lol
[02:34] <StoyJodido> the only thing I did before this problem appeared was disabling bluetooth and apmd services (in the kde control panel as root) and reduce virtual terminals to just 2 (in /etc/inittab)
[02:34] <StoyJodido> oh and stopping usplash service too
[02:34] <DaSkreech> StoyJodido: The CD should have a memory test on it
[02:34] <StoyJodido> as I use text bootup
[02:34] <StoyJodido> ok Ill try the memory test too then
[02:34] <DaSkreech> umm
[02:34] <DaSkreech> It stops at services after you changed the services?
[02:34] <StoyJodido> I must say Ive reverted those changes Ive talked about and kde still refuses to boot
[02:34] <StoyJodido> yeah
[02:34] <DaSkreech> Just trying to make sure I understand that
[02:35] <StoyJodido> what
[02:36] <Bernier> pc-dummy i got it :P
[02:36] <Bernier> thanks
[02:36] <DaSkreech> Hmm
[02:36] <DaSkreech> I don't know
[02:37] <NeoChaosX> can anybody help me to get my external hard drive to mount on boot?
[02:37] <StoyJodido> I disabled those services with the kde control panel and enabled them back with sysv-rc-conf
[02:37] <DaSkreech> I would try to reset the settings for thsoe services
[02:37] <NeoChaosX> ?
[02:37] <StoyJodido> how
[02:38] <StoyJodido> u mean the kde settings?
[02:38] <LeeJunFan> Is "default applications" hidden in kde system settings?
[02:38] <DaSkreech> I don't know
[02:38] <DaSkreech> Yeah but I'm not sure how to go about doing that
[02:38] <StoyJodido> neither do I
[02:38] <DaSkreech> I'd probably apt-get purge them
[02:38] <DaSkreech> :-(
[02:38] <DaSkreech> But that seems Microsoftian
[02:38] <StoyJodido> apt-get purge what, kde?
[02:38] <StoyJodido> lol
[02:38] <StoyJodido> ic
[02:38] <StoyJodido> I tried dpkg-reconfigure kubuntu-desktop
[02:39] <StoyJodido> but no luck
[02:39] <DaSkreech> That has no real settings I think
[02:39] <DaSkreech> It's a virtual package
[02:39] <StoyJodido> yeah I read later it was just a metapackage
[02:39] <StoyJodido> ic
[02:39] <bleaked> so where is the Go menu on konqueror.. the KDE help is pointing me to it, and yet i don't see it or where to find it..  was it removed for kubuntu?
[02:39] <StoyJodido> well I just dont know what else to try
[02:40] <DaSkreech> bleaked: I would assume it's the big K menu
[02:40] <StoyJodido> oh I got something else
[02:40] <Pc-Dummy> bleaked: i think you can also use your adress bar :)
[02:40] <DaSkreech> StoyJodido: I'd just do it for the services that you played with
[02:40] <Pc-Dummy> or k-menu -> run
[02:40] <KuLover> Pc-Dummy, Is it normal to have a newly partitioned drive with 2.50 gb taken up.
[02:41] <StoyJodido> on .xsession_errors there are a lot of lines saying sometihng like QSettings:
[02:41] <Pc-Dummy> KuLover: now 2,5 GB :)
[02:41] <Pc-Dummy> KuLover: no
[02:41] <KuLover> lol
[02:41] <StoyJodido> and then talking about an error on some character
[02:41] <Pc-Dummy> KuLover: what do you mean with "taken up"
[02:42] <StoyJodido> what do u said I had to do with those services Ive played with?
[02:42] <Pc-Dummy> apt-get prune
[02:42] <KuLover> Used space
[02:42] <Pc-Dummy> hmm dpkg purge ...
[02:42] <StoyJodido> what does that exactly do?
[02:42] <Pc-Dummy> KuLover: which program does show that ?
[02:43] <Pc-Dummy> StoyJodido: remove the package with all settings
[02:43] <KuLover> Gparted
[02:43] <Bernier> Hmm it's the second time it does that... my desktop's icons just disapear and my desktop is frozen... what's that?
[02:43] <StoyJodido> ic
[02:43] <StoyJodido> well going back to linux to try stuff
[02:43] <StoyJodido> thanks for the help
[02:43] <StoyJodido> bye
[02:44] <Pc-Dummy> cu StoyJodido
[02:44] <Pc-Dummy> have a nice night :)
[02:44] <StoyJodido> oh one last thing
[02:44] <StoyJodido> when the kde hangs, top shows kdebuildsyscoca at 99%
[02:45] <StoyJodido> sorry kbuildsyscoca I meant
[02:45] <StoyJodido> I dont know if that gives you any hints
[02:45] <Pc-Dummy> KuLover: blame on gparted ...
[02:45] <Pc-Dummy> KuLover: use "df -h" on konsole
[02:45] <KuLover> What will that do
[02:45] <Bernier> pc-dummy it's the second time it does that my whole computer is alright i can continue what i was doing but my desktop is frozen and it's only the background there's nothing else
[02:45] <Pc-Dummy> give u the usage informations
[02:45] <Pc-Dummy> @ KuLover
[02:45] <ryank> Hello all.  Is it possible to establish login timelimits w/ the 6.06 release? If so, can anyone give me a hint?
[02:46] <Bernier> do oyu know what it could be?
[02:46] <Search4Lancer> I get no sound when viewing flash movies.... still....
[02:46] <Pc-Dummy> Bernier: there are stucked aps?
[02:46] <Bernier> well no all my apps are alright
[02:46] <Cooner750> Got a problem here. When I insert my CompactFlash camera card into the card reader on the computer it mounts it, but when it goes to open it says "Cound not enter folder /media/CANON_DC". Help?
[02:47] <Pc-Dummy> Bernier: right button works?
[02:47] <Bernier> only the desktop is frozen eith the cursor shaped like the small hand
[02:47] <brandon_> is there a really good recording app for linux a la wiretap?
[02:47] <Bernier> no it doesnt
[02:47] <MikeMcA_> Hello.  I'm trying kubuntu for the first time via the live cd (on my laptop, currently running windows).  It boots fine but I can't get my wireless network card to run.  I configure the card interface but my changes aren't being saved...which kind of makes sense because kubuntu doesn't "own" the hd at this point, windows does.  But since making sure my network card would work is my main motivation for trying the live cd I'm in a cat
[02:47] <Cooner750> Using media:/sdc1
[02:48] <Pc-Dummy> Cooner750: "it says" u mean konqueror?
[02:48] <TheHighChild> anyone use gnump3d?
[02:48] <Bernier> the KDE menu is fine too
[02:48] <Bernier> only the desktop
[02:48] <Cooner750> Pc-Dummy: Yes
[02:48] <Pc-Dummy> Bernier: ... no idear here ...
[02:48] <Bernier> ok thanks
[02:49] <MikeMcA_> whoops, there's a giant piece of advice on the screen I wasn't seeing...
[02:49] <Pc-Dummy> Cooner750: open konsole, then "cd /media/CANON_DC"
[02:49] <Pc-Dummy> works?
[02:50] <Pc-Dummy> ahh .. have to get some sleep ...
[02:50] <Cooner750> bash: cd: /media/CANON_DC: Permission denied
[02:50] <Cooner750> Could it be because there is another user logged on?
[02:50] <Pc-Dummy> Cooner750: ahh that's the problem ...
[02:50] <Pc-Dummy> Cooner750: the user ...
[02:50] <Cooner750> let me log off the other user
[02:51] <Pc-Dummy> Cooner750: it dont known but try
[02:52] <Pc-Dummy> Cooner750: after that reinsert the card
[02:52] <DaSkreech> StoyJodido: You were asking something?
[02:52] <MikeMcA_> I need to click the Administrator Mode button on the Network Settings dialog, but it's not activated.  How can I activate it?  Or alternately, is there a way to launch from the live cd as root, or su to root (I haven't specified a password for root so I don't know what it is)
[02:53] <Pc-Dummy> MikeMcA_: there is no "root" password
[02:53] <Pc-Dummy> use sudo <what you want>
[02:53] <Cooner750> No luck..
[02:53] <MikeMcA_> This is a live cd.  I've done zero config, just booted off the cd.
[02:54] <Pc-Dummy> Cooner750: reinsert the card
[02:54] <Cooner750> when I take it out the icon on the desktop does not leave
[02:54] <Cooner750> How do I 'force' it to unmount it?
[02:54] <Pc-Dummy> Cooner750: sudo unmount /media/CANON_??
[02:55] <Pc-Dummy> ups it's umount
[02:55] <LeeJunFan> ugh! kubuntu-default-settings and konqueror-orig piss me off. Have a friend who wants to change his browser to firefox, but KDE default apps is hidden, how the hell is that LESS confusing?
[02:55] <Pc-Dummy> LeeJunFan: there's an option in firefox option's
[02:55] <Cooner750> I just need to install actual Kubuntu. This here is Ubuntu with KDE packages installed and it has all kinds of problems
[02:56] <Pc-Dummy> or use -> kmenu -> settings -> apperance -> kde components
[02:56] <LeeJunFan> Pc-Dummy: firefox option doesn't work.
[02:56] <Pc-Dummy> Cooner750: if u think that's the problem :)
[02:57] <LeeJunFan> Pc-Dummy: and standard kubuntu doesn't have settings. also hidden by default.
[02:57] <Cooner750> It has problems booting anyway. It sits and sits for what seems like ages at "Setting up ALSA card 0"
[02:57] <Cooner750> and eventually moves on
[02:57] <Pc-Dummy> LeeJunFan: i have a standart kubuntu ...
[02:58] <DaSkreech> My art sits
[02:58] <Pc-Dummy> you can also use "settings:/" in konqueror
[02:58] <Cooner750> /dev/sda is the external USB hard disk, correct?
[02:58] <Cooner750> How hard is it to configure Kubuntu to boot from USB?
[02:59] <Pc-Dummy> Cooner750: no.. can be a scsi/usb/sata device to
[02:59] <Cooner750> I was able to get Ubuntu originally to boot from USB
[02:59] <Pc-Dummy> never tried it yet ...
[03:00] <Pc-Dummy> ok ... have to got! cu all
[03:00] <Pc-Dummy> go
[03:01] <Sc[_] tt> evening all:  do i need to type something special to install using the live cd?  all i can get it to do is load a desktop from the cd, what's the magic word? :)
[03:02] <Sc[_] tt> other than please :)
[03:02] <sledge> alacazam
[03:02] <DaSkreech> Pretty
[03:02] <DaSkreech> prepend that to please
[03:02] <Sc[_] tt> hi sledge and DaSkreech
[03:03] <Sc[_] tt> hmm alacazam produces a strange mutated white dove but no cage
[03:04] <Sc[_] tt> monsters down there
[03:05] <quizy> who here has played with a thinkpad and nvram?
[03:05] <SkrotFFS> Hi. Where can I configure parameters for audiocd:/? Such as bitrate, naming schemes etc
[03:05] <bryantehaxor> Hello all.  Is it possible to establish login timelimits w/ the 6.06 release? If so, can anyone give me a hint?
[03:06] <DaSkreech> bryantehaxor: Huh? You mean for GDM?
[03:06] <sdolnack> so has anyone successfully gotten Xgl/Compiz running on Kubuntu, w/o problems or major slowdowns?
[03:06] <NeoChaosX> SkrotFFS: You want to go to System Settings > Audio CDs and select either the MP3 or OGG Encoder tabs
[03:07] <SkrotFFS> Thanks
[03:07] <bryantehaxor> DaS: User A has x minutes of login timer per week for example.
[03:07] <NeoChaosX> er, System Settings > Sound and Multimedia > Audio CDs
[03:07] <NeoChaosX> *facepalm*
[03:07] <DaSkreech> sdolnack: try #ubuntu-xgl
[03:07] <Sc[_] tt> kde rules
[03:07] <sdolnack> no no
[03:07] <sdolnack> i mean
[03:08] <sdolnack> im asking how other ppl have been with it?
[03:08] <sdolnack> when i tried it it slowed down the system totally
[03:08] <DaSkreech> bryantehaxor: Well before I answer how'd you get that nick? :)
[03:08] <bryantehaxor> D
[03:08] <sdolnack> and was completely, completely impractical
[03:08] <bryantehaxor> aS: Intoxicated Halo taunting.
[03:09] <DaSkreech> I'm sure there was tab in there somewhere
[03:10] <Sc[_] tt> i'm going to start reading the documentation, this time next year i'll be almost half through it!
[03:11] <DaSkreech> Good job!
[03:12] <Sc[_] tt> you should hear linux docs on text to speech, puts ya to sleep in like 5 minutes
[03:12] <Sc[_] tt> the accessibility options are really sweeet, whoever thought of that, thanks :)
[03:13] <bernier> im back
[03:13] <bernier> lol
[03:14] <bryantehaxor> DaS: So do you have an answer?
[03:15] <bernier> i just installed limewire using alien to change the rpm in a .deb and then i used dpkg to install limewire and it worked but now when i click on limewire theres a long loading time at the bottom but it closes without doing nothing
[03:16] <ubuntu> is it not possible to install kubuntu to a logical partition? or must it be installed to a primary partition?
[03:16] <Sc[_] tt> on the boot options... do i just type 'Install netcfg/disable_dhcp=true'    before all the stuff that's already there preseed/file= ...
[03:16] <DaSkreech> ubotu: tell bernier about frostwire
[03:17] <bernier> and its good?
[03:17] <DaSkreech> Check the links
[03:18] <KuLover> Anyonw know what this "lost+found" folder is on my freshly formated HDD?
[03:18] <ubuntu> is it not possible to install kubuntu to a logical partition? or must it be installed to a primary partition?
[03:18] <Sc[_] tt> i'm blind 'and' daft, sorry for silly questions, once i have the install going i'm fine, but i can't figure out how to get to the install from the live cd
[03:19] <bernier> how do i uninstall a .deb i just installed with dpkg?
[03:19] <bryantehaxor> Sc: Just click the install icon dude.
[03:19] <CheeseBurgerMan> bernier: 'sudo dpkg -r <package>'
[03:20] <Sc[_] tt> once it loads up a desktop you mean? or is there an icon on the main boot menu
[03:20] <ubuntu> DaSkreech: would you know if kubuntu can be installed to a logical partition?
[03:20] <DaSkreech> bryantehaxor: I think http://www.freeos.com/articles/4628/ might help
[03:20] <DaSkreech> KuLover: Insurance
[03:20] <DaSkreech> ubuntu: It can
[03:21] <bernier> dpkg: you must specify packages by their own names, not by quoting the names of the files they come in
[03:21] <bernier> thats what it says
[03:21] <ubuntu> DaSkreech: for some reason kubuntu live CD installer will not let me install to a logical partition on my HD that is already formatted ext3
[03:21] <ubuntu> does live CD installer have any issues?
[03:21] <DaSkreech> What does it say?
[03:22] <bryantehaxor> Sc: Yeah, once it loads to the OS there's an install button. It's really easy.
[03:22] <bryantehaxor> DaS: Thanks, I am reading it now.
[03:22] <ubuntu> DaSkreech: let me try it again here and i'll tell you
[03:22] <Sc[_] tt> easy when you can see the icon :P  but that helps a bunch bryantehaxor, now at least i know where to search with the speech .. thanks
[03:22] <TheHighChild> Anyone know where to change file preferences at?
[03:23] <bryantehaxor> Sc: did you go to fsu by any chance?
[03:23] <sdolnack> how can one config audiocd to automatically retrieve freedb tags?
[03:23] <Desh> Ok, I have tried multiple methods to get fglrx to work, but no matter what I do, when I enter 'fglrxinfo' into the terminal it says Mesa is still my OpenGL vendor, any clues?
[03:23] <Sc[_] tt> fsu?
[03:23] <sdolnack> Desh:
[03:24] <Sc[_] tt> i guess not, i don't know what that means
[03:24] <bryantehaxor> sc: florida state.  nm.
[03:24] <bleaked> does kdm support XDMCP?
[03:24] <chavo> bleaked, yes
[03:25] <Sc[_] tt> ahh ok, nope, i grad from virginia
[03:25] <Desh> o_O
[03:25] <ubuntu> DaSkreech: it says 'invalid file system for this mount poit'mount point
[03:25] <DaSkreech> Sure you are pointing it at the right place?
[03:25] <ubuntu> DaSkreech: yes
[03:26] <sdolnack> is there anything that gnome supports that kde doesn't/vice versa?
[03:26] <ubuntu> DaSkreech: besides, i  told it that it could reformat the partiotions i pointed it to
[03:26] <bryantehaxor> DaS: That wasn't what I needed, but it still helped for some other stuff, thanks.
[03:26] <bleaked> chavo: is there any configuration options for it?  i don't see it in the kontrol center.
[03:26] <KuLover> Why dont I have permission to copy files into a partition that I just created and mounted?
[03:26] <xst> I have just upgraded to dapper but now I have no sound in firefox/flash. Sound in e.g. amarok works just fine. Any ideas?
[03:27] <TheHighChild> KuLover is it mounted as root?
[03:27] <Sc[_] tt> ok i found my install icon, weee thanks all
[03:27] <KuLover> Hmm.. I suppose so, I could only mount it in admin mode..
[03:27] <bryantehaxor> sc: good luck man.
[03:28] <pussfeller> how do you do taht thing where xine always pipes out to tv-out
[03:28] <TheHighChild> KuLover You'd need to be administrator to mount it. do a 'cat /etc/fstab" and post the line for the drive you've just mounted
[03:28] <chavo> bleaked, not sure if there's any gui config for it
[03:28] <pussfeller> and the rest of the desktop is on the moniter
[03:28] <Desh> I have tried multiple methods to get fglrx to work, but no matter what I do, when I enter 'fglrxinfo' into the terminal it says Mesa is still my OpenGL vendor, any clues?
[03:28] <DaSkreech> ubuntu: run it as root?
[03:28] <ubuntu> DaSkreech: let me ask you something dumb... i have a 5G partition i formatted to ext3.... and labeled as '/', and another 5G partition labeled as /home which is FAT32... is this acceptable??
[03:28] <DaSkreech> ubuntu: technically yes
[03:28] <pussfeller> no
[03:29] <pussfeller> fat wont handle the permissions right
[03:29] <DaSkreech> Kinda silly but
[03:29] <DaSkreech> He can do it
[03:29] <DaSkreech> it's pretty useless though
[03:29] <bleaked> xst: i know the problem..hold up..i'll find the page for you..
[03:29] <pussfeller> and what about the filenaming limitations
[03:29] <pussfeller> that could be a problem
[03:29] <chavo> bleaked, you can enable it in /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc
[03:29] <ubuntu> DaSkreech: should i make them both ext3??? i just wanted to make it a partition i could access with kubuntu or windows...
[03:29] <xst> bleaked: Thanks!
[03:30] <DaSkreech> Make a share partition and make it Fat
[03:30] <pussfeller> there are apps which will access ext3 from windows
[03:30] <ubuntu> ok brb
[03:30] <pussfeller> and some which even allow you to put them as drives in my computer
[03:31] <bernier> Hmmm when im trying to get frostwire and i click on "ubuntu" it starts dwling and when i right click , save target as it downloads "dowlaod.php"
[03:31] <TheHighChild> ubuntu I would suggest creating a fat32 only partition. I wouldn't want Windows doing anything with my / or /home partitions
[03:32] <bernier> alright i got it
[03:32] <bernier> lol
[03:32] <ubuntu> why the heck does it say invalid file system when i told it to go ahead and formet?!?
[03:32] <ubuntu> format*
[03:33] <DaSkreech> bernier: Copy link location
[03:33] <DaSkreech> It will give you the full URL to the file
[03:33] <bernier> yeah i got it this way alright :P
[03:34] <Desh> Can Linux edit NTFS partitions?
[03:34] <Desh> I know it can edit FAT partitions
[03:35] <DaSkreech> Desh: For all intents. No
[03:36] <CheeseBurgerMan> It can, but it's highly experimental.
[03:36] <Desh> Aww.
[03:36] <DaSkreech> I would say still experimental
[03:36] <bleaked> xst: ok..
[03:37] <DaSkreech> its' possible that it will completely destroy the NTFS partition
[03:37] <xst> bleaked: ?
[03:37] <bleaked> xst: edit /etc/firefox/firefoxrc -- and change the value in FIREFOX_DSP to aoss
[03:37] <bleaked> xst: restart firefox..should be good to go
[03:38] <sdolnack> sum'ins wrong w/ my amaroK
[03:38] <sdolnack> i imported all the media from my winblows partition, and it won't play the files
[03:38] <Desh> sdolnack, use XMMS and Totem
[03:38] <sdolnack> it just goes thru each song on my playlist
[03:38] <Desh> :)
[03:38] <sdolnack> i don't want a winamp clone!
[03:38] <sdolnack> i fuckin love amaroK
[03:38] <sdolnack> sorry
[03:38] <sdolnack> i meant really
[03:38] <sdolnack> i really love amaroK
[03:39] <Desh> sdolnack, haha, I like XMMS, much more compact and what not.
[03:39] <CheeseBurgerMan> sdolnack: What's wrong with amarok?
[03:39] <sdolnack> oh i like to maximize the thing and see it all and have the lyrics there and everythign
[03:39] <sdolnack> i imported all my songs from my windows partition
[03:39] <sdolnack> media/sda2/Documents and settings/Steve/My Documents/My Music
[03:39] <sdolnack> and it won't play
[03:39] <DaSkreech> ubotu: tell sdolnack about mp3
[03:40] <sdolnack> it goes thru each song in like half a second
[03:40] <sdolnack> ....
[03:40] <Desh> !mp3
[03:40] <ubotu> it has been said that mp3 is a patented format; to enable mp3 capability see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[03:40] <CheeseBurgerMan> sdolnack: try 'sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodes'
[03:40] <xst> bleaked: Nope. It doesn't work. :-(
[03:40] <xst> But thanks anyway
[03:40] <sdolnack> that's pretty ridiculous
[03:40] <DaSkreech> Hmm?
[03:40] <sdolnack> can i get it to use lame?
[03:40] <Desh> Nah, it's easily workable.
[03:41] <Desh> sdolnack, follow the instructions there, it helps you install the codecs. All my music is mp3.
[03:41] <Desh> !restricted
[03:41] <ubotu> restricted is probably https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats  Most of the formats listed there can be replaced by !FreeFormats
[03:41] <Desh> sdolnack, try that also.
[03:41] <Desh> sdolnack, if you install the codecs you can play mp3, wma, wmv and avi just fine, so long as they are not DRM protected.
[03:41] <sdolnack> !freeformats
[03:41] <ubotu> There are a large number of Free Formats which are preferred over patent and copyright encumbered formats. They are listed here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreeFormats
[03:42] <sdolnack> oh i already use ogg
[03:42] <sdolnack> for my rio karma
[03:42] <Desh> sdolnack, those are like ogg and what not, but what you want is to play mp3s.
[03:42] <sdolnack> so all the cds i rip are in ogg
[03:42] <CheeseBurgerMan> Why not just use 'sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs' That's all I needed to do to get MP3.
[03:42] <DaSkreech> Ogg rocks :)
[03:42] <Desh> I'm old school, mp3 for me. :)
[03:42] <sdolnack> no i hate command line i'm using adept
[03:42] <sdolnack> (just kidding)
[03:42] <Desh> Hahaha.
[03:42] <CheeseBurgerMan> OK, whatever. :P
[03:43] <ubuntu> ok kubuntu is now installing... i hope i didn't screw anything up..... kinda crazy to be able to chat on a computer while installing an OS on it...
[03:43] <CheeseBurgerMan> lol
[03:44] <chavo> ubuntu, yeah it's kind of nice to get live support on an install
[03:44] <KuLover> How can I gain access to copy files to a partition that i just created and mounted?
[03:44] <ubuntu> chavo: absolutely
[03:44] <DaSkreech> ubuntu: Yeah I know :-)
[03:44] <KuLover> Maybe mount it for user access?
[03:44] <DaSkreech> KuLover: How did you mount it?
[03:45] <ubuntu> this calls for a beer
[03:45] <Desh> How can I set XMMS to play all suported audio files when I click them instead of amarok opening up?
[03:45] <KuLover> Through the Disk manager in settings in Admin Mode. DaScreech
[03:45] <DaSkreech> KuLover: Ah ok :)
[03:46] <DaSkreech> Well do you know anything about /etc/fstab
[03:46] <DaSkreech> ?
[03:46] <KuLover> I know that its the file that has the paths to mount drives.
[03:46] <KuLover> Desh right click the file you want to open with XMMS
[03:46] <KuLover> Desh then clcik properties
[03:46] <KuLover> Desh Thin clcik the little Wrench icon
[03:47] <Desh> Ah I see.
[03:47] <KuLover> Desh, find XXMS in the list and move it to the top
[03:47] <KuLover> Or "Move up"
[03:47] <KuLover> DaSkreech, what should I do?
[03:48] <Desh> KuLover, I am trying to make videos open with Totem, but I cannot add it to the list..
[03:48] <Desh> Hmm...the correct names for the programs is like, totem %s but it says totem %u when I click it...
[03:48] <KuLover> Desh, click add, THen clcik the folder icon, then browse to the main file that opens Totem.
[03:49] <DaSkreech> KuLover: well in the /etc/fstab entry for the partition put the option user
[03:49] <DaSkreech> KuLover: you can then mount the partition as yourself (no sudo) and you will have the rights needed
[03:49] <KuLover> DaSkreech, SHould I remove the "no" from "nouser"?
[03:50] <Sc[_] tt> hi all again... there's got to be a better way to install other than the live cd... i've got all kinds of errors and it's taken 20 minutes for the system to run the installer, i can't trust this installation... isn't there a regular install disk? surely they don't expect everyone to install this way
[03:50] <KuLover> Yeap
[03:50] <KuLover> Its all the "alternate" install disk
[03:50] <KuLover> Its all I use
[03:50] <Sc[_] tt> ahh i downloaded the wrong iso
[03:51] <KuLover> What distro/arhatecture would you like? Ill get you a link to it.
[03:51] <Sc[_] tt> i have the links here, but thank you :)
[03:51] <KuLover> lol. Enjoy
[03:51] <Sc[_] tt> i'll grab the alternate disk
[03:51] <KuLover> Yeah.. thats all I use too :)
[03:52] <TheHighChild> anyone here use Gnump3d?
[03:52] <Sc[_] tt> i have one hair left! but i'm still having fun
[03:52] <bleaked> xst: do you have the alsa-oss package installed?
[03:53] <bleaked> xst: install that, and it should work.
[03:54] <ubuntu> well, in 30 seconds i will see if i successfully installed kubuntu while preserving Xp as well... i have my fears
[03:55] <Desh> One thing I miss from windows, the way I could make a pleyer play all supported files from the options menu...
[03:55] <DaSkreech> Desh: Huh>
[03:56] <xst> bleaked: I just tried but it still doesn't work. I'll try a reboot.
[03:56] <Desh> DaSkreech: I wanted Totem, not Kaffeine to play videos, so I had to find every format of video I had and manually edit it to play with Totem.
[03:56] <ubuntu> i use linux %80-%90 of the time... but i am not going to totally ditch windows.... the whole hardware support issue would make that difficult
[03:56] <DaSkreech> Ah.. I'm sure there is an easier way
[03:56] <DaSkreech> ubuntu: Thats fine we don't mind weaning you :)
[03:56] <ubuntu> lol
[03:57] <NeoChaosX> Desh. There's a file assoication menu in Konqueror's options
[03:57] <Desh> ubuntu: Besides some ati cards and WLAN cards, hardware support is better than windows...
[03:57] <Desh> NeoChaosX: >_<!!!!!!!!
[03:57] <DaSkreech> ubuntu: Don't forget to write to anyone who's hardware is un-supported in Linux. Makes the world better for everyone
[03:57] <Desh> ATI!!!!
[03:57] <fentekreel> hmm cedega doesn't seem to like working
[03:57] <ubuntu> DaSkreech: i would like to wring some necks at linksys, to start with
[03:57] <Desh> I STILL can't get OpenGL to be ATI, stupid Mesa won;t go away!
[03:58] <DaSkreech> ubuntu: Funny cause they are big Linux contributors :)
[03:58] <CheeseBurgerMan> Desh: http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Dapper_Installation_Guide
[03:58] <Hawkwind> I've personally got tons of Linksys stuff, all of which have Linux installed in them in some way
[03:58] <Hawkwind> Never had a single problem
[03:58] <CheeseBurgerMan> I followed that, fglrxinfo shows mine to be ATI
[03:59] <Desh> Remember boys and girls, the world runs on $$. Since Linux isn't as widely used as Windows it doesn't seem an investment to work on Linux drivers. >_<
[03:59] <ubuntu> DaSkreech: i have a few usb wireless adapters that i can't even get to work with ndiswrapper
[03:59] <Desh> :-O!
[03:59] <Desh> CheeseBurgerMan: Same one I used and have bookmarked, :(, still Mesa..
[03:59] <TheHighChild> Desh no investment is needed. All people need are hardware specs and the OSS guys will develop drivers.
[03:59] <ubuntu> ok, i'm out, y'all... ill se what damage i did
[04:00] <DaSkreech> ubuntu: Y'all come back you here?
[04:00] <Desh> TheHighChild, what I mean is they don't care to since it doesn't seem like it will rake in profits
[04:00] <Desh> DaSkreech, *hear
[04:00] <DaSkreech> That's particularly stupid
[04:01] <DaSkreech> Desh: I know I type faster than I think
[04:01] <Desh> Haha
[04:01] <DaSkreech> Esp for hardware companies
[04:01] <TheHighChild> Desh I agree about software manufacturers but in the case of hardware manufacturers I think it's 1. because they over hype their product and the actual specs would show otherwise and 2. showing their hardware specs would go against the industry grain
[04:01] <DaSkreech> The bigger their market is the better
[04:01] <Desh> TheHighChild, true, true
[04:01] <DaSkreech> TheHighChild: Well actually it's patent lae
[04:02] <DaSkreech> laws
[04:02] <Desh> That and Microsoft forces some not to
[04:02] <TheHighChild> DaSkreech: How would releaseing specs violate their patent? Unless they are licensing it in the first place?
[04:03] <TheHighChild> nvm, my bad guys. I thought I was in the off-topic channel. I'll stfu now
[04:03] <Desh> Hahaha.
[04:03] <Desh> What is the off-topic channel?
[04:03] <DaSkreech> TheHighChild: try are they not licensing it :-)
[04:03] <TheHighChild> #kubuntu-offtopic
[04:03] <Desh> Thanks.
[04:04] <CheeseBurgerMan> Desh: Did you look at the troubleshooting section? ;)
[04:04] <TheHighChild> DaSkreech: I don't think I understood that
[04:04] <Desh> CheeseBurgerMan: Yes.
[04:05] <DaSkreech> TheHighChild: Well If you are possibly violating 4 or 5 patents would you release full specs or not?
[04:05] <CheeseBurgerMan> Rats. I assume you rebooted. (it does say to do so)
[04:05] <Desh> I did.
[04:06] <TheHighChild> DaSkreech: gotcha, you mean that most manufacturer put themselves at risk by publishing them?
[04:06] <DaSkreech> Right
[04:07] <DaSkreech> And for most of them the pace of the engineering team is much faster than the legal team so best way is just to shut up
[04:07] <CheeseBurgerMan> Desh: Did you try method 2?
[04:07] <Desh> CheeseBurgerMan, yup.
[04:07] <CheeseBurgerMan> You're impossible. :P
[04:07] <Desh> I have concluded that Mesa is codeword for Satan.
[04:08] <Desh> Black mesa...
[04:08] <Desh> :-O!
[04:16] <robnyc> hello i have a bug for kubuntu :) .. xchat > view > Tree channel status colors dont work .. im on debian sid and works good
[04:16] <RawSewage> thats an Ubuntu question
[04:17] <RawSewage> Kubuntu uses Konversation
[04:17] <kkathman> anyone know where firefox keeps the theme it loads?
[04:18] <RawSewage> its not in the .kde folder?
[04:18] <kkathman> hmm wouldnt think so, since its not a k-app
[04:18] <robotgeek> kkathman: maybe in .mozilla/firefox/ chrome
[04:18] <RawSewage> oh yeah
[04:18] <erov>  /.mozilla/firefox/
[04:18] <kkathman> lemme try that thanks
[04:19] <kkathman> well theres another directory there
[04:20] <erov> yes go into that dir
[04:20] <CaBlGuY> there any kinda peer 2 peer I can install?
[04:20] <kkathman> what happened was that I loaded a theme that was "compatible" with linux, but apparently not with Dapper
[04:20] <erov> that is depending on the user profiles
[04:20] <kkathman> erov  there is not a .mozilla/firefox/chrome
[04:20] <CaBlGuY> !peer to peer
[04:20] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, CaBlGuY
[04:21] <CaBlGuY> !p2p
[04:21] <ubotu> rumour has it, p2p is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/P2PHowTo
[04:21] <erov> j@alpha:~/.mozilla/firefox/sngu6tsh.default/chrome$ lsuserChrome-example.css  userContent-example.css
[04:21] <chavo> kkathman, ~/.mozilla/firefox/some_random_number_/chrome
[04:21] <kkathman> there is a  .mozilla/firefox/ctr2yq30.default/chrome
[04:21] <kkathman> right
[04:21] <erov> that is it.
[04:21] <kkathman> ok
[04:21] <kkathman> is the theme in the css?
[04:21] <chavo> they might not be in there though, a lot of themes install in extensions folder now
[04:22] <chavo> kkathman, no it's a .jar file. a renamed .zip
[04:22] <kkathman> hmm ok I'll check that
[04:22] <erov> ahh yes.. they are in extensions
[04:22] <erov> (in mine anyway)
[04:24] <DaSkreech> KuLover: Yo
[04:24] <kkathman> thanks guys...I just deleted the theme from the extensions as you said chavo...now I get the default again :)
[04:24] <KuLover> Heya
[04:24] <chavo> cool
[04:24] <DaSkreech> Got the mount sorted?
[04:25] <kkathman> chavo looks like it was just that particular theme I guess
[04:25] <KuLover> No.. still having problems.. Ughh lol
[04:27] <jago> can some one tell me what decoder packages i need to play dvd's with kaffeine
[04:27] <Kyral> libdvdcss
[04:28] <Cooner750> hello
[04:28] <jago> thanks
[04:31] <Rede> hi, i just installed kubuntu dapper but i'm having a little bit of trouble getting sound to work. kmix shows both of my sound cards but is set to my on board sound, not my SBLive5.1 that i want to use. Any idea where I can select the sound card I want to use? I googled and found a forum that indicated I need to change it in System->Preferences but I dont seem to have a preferences entry
[04:32] <Rede> ive got amarok, xine, and xine-extracodecs installed. xine plays video, but there isnt any sound. amarok appears to play properly, but there is no sound
[04:33] <DaSkreech> Rede: try the system Settings
[04:33] <Cooner750> How to install mplayer plugin in Konqueror?
[04:33] <RawSewage> maybe the volume isnt turned up
[04:34] <RawSewage> in the Mixer, check PCM
[04:34] <Rede> volume is on
[04:35] <Rede> system settings doesnt seem to give me the option of selecting between the two cards
[04:36] <Rede> in fc4 i had to use the gui to select the card in order for it to work because it defaulted to the on-board, but i cant find how to accomplish this
[04:39] <Rede> KInfoCenter detects the SBLive card, as does "aplay -l"
[04:40] <SheaTara> Hey -- my sound won't -- it did just a few days ago -- before i update dapper from flight7 to final
[04:40] <Cooner750> SheaTara, Do you use ESD for sound?
[04:40] <SheaTara> Amarok won;tplay -- and I don;t get anything else either
[04:41] <Cooner750> Try going K-Menu, Run Command... Type esd and click OK
[04:41] <SheaTara> How mocgh I check?
[04:41] <RawSewage> maybe the volume isnt turned up
[04:41] <SheaTara> esd
[04:41] <SheaTara> Could not run the specified command
[04:41] <Cooner750> hmm....
[04:41] <SheaTara> The volume is up ans not mutes
[04:41] <Cooner750> Is ESD included in Kubuntu? I'm using Ubuntu with KDE packages installed over it
[04:42] <RawSewage> run kcontrol
[04:42] <SheaTara> Not to my knowledge
[04:42] <RawSewage> Sound and Multimedia
[04:42] <RawSewage> Sound Sytem
[04:42] <Cooner750> Run kmix to get a volume control in the bottom of the screen if one isnt there already
[04:42] <SheaTara> Kmix is there
[04:42] <RawSewage> first see if the Enable the Sound Syustem box is checked
[04:43] <SheaTara> RawSewage: checked
[04:43] <Cooner750> ALSA would probably be the best selection?
[04:43] <RawSewage> and Hardware tab
[04:43] <KuLover> Anyone here run a RAID array?
[04:43] <SheaTara> RawSewage: what about it ?
[04:43] <RawSewage> whats it set to
[04:43] <SheaTara> Autodetect
[04:44] <RawSewage> sorry, I dont know whats wrong
[04:44] <SheaTara> RawSewage: nor do I
[04:45] <SheaTara> how about I try #ubuntu
[04:45] <RawSewage> ok
[04:45] <RawSewage> did you like in KINfoCenter
[04:45] <SheaTara> I read on !sound -- no help
[04:46] <RawSewage> I mean did you RUN kinfocenter
[04:49] <RobNyc> Hawkwind: yea man im on debian sid now and my xchat view > tree list channel stats colors work fine, its only on kubuntu i dont know why or how
[04:51] <orient2000> RobNyc: I wonder, did you buy the whole computer or you assembled yourselve?
[04:52] <sdolnack> ...can someone show me how wine works?
[04:52] <RobNyc> it was a custom built orient2000
[04:53] <orient2000> So i always do mine. Sorry cannot help you.
[04:53] <Rede> ok, ive managed to determine that my sound is working, just using the on-board instead of my sblive... does anyone know how i can change that?
[04:54] <sdolnack> so i'm running Kubuntu and can't stand linuxdc++ and want to get wine working
[04:54] <sdolnack> and don't know how
[04:56] <RawSewage> how do you have Konqueror show video icons
[04:56] <RawSewage> preview icons
[04:56] <RawSewage> > 100 mb
[05:01] <r0xz> someone with a clue why ogg vorbis files aren't previewable while downloading with a p2p app?
[05:01] <r0xz> in the same app where mp3 and avi are previewable
[05:02] <r0xz> even when the whole file is completed i still can't preview
[05:04] <SeanTater> RawSewage: Not sure you can -- but try looking on kde-look and kde-apps
[05:05] <SeanTater> r0xz: what p2p app?
[05:05] <RawSewage> someone told me how
[05:05] <RawSewage> Im testing it now
[05:05] <sdolnack> does no one know how to help me w/ wine?
[05:06] <r0xz> SeanTater: KTorrent
[05:06] <SeanTater> r0xz: How can you preview the other files?
[05:07] <r0xz> really weird, because it support a special priority for mediafiles so one can preview these
[05:07] <SeanTater> r0xz: I did not think that was possible with the way torrents download
[05:07] <DaSkreech> RawSewage: how did you become more raw since yesterday?
[05:08] <RawSewage> I dont know
[05:08] <SeanTater> r0xz: neat -- version 1.2 or 2.0?
[05:08] <r0xz> SeanTater: normally, when i rightclik on a file in the files tab of ktorrent, i can preview the files (after some minutes)
[05:08] <r0xz> SeanTater: 2.0 dev
[05:08] <SeanTater> r0xz: neat -- how did you get it to install?!
[05:09] <SeanTater> r0xz: I tried and it would not work
[05:09] <r0xz> SeanTater: just installing the right packages
[05:10] <osiris> thats cause lots of torrent apps prioritize the first section of the torrent, so you can use that function.  other than that it IS a piece meal system
[05:10] <SeanTater> r0xz: but apt said it conflicted with kdelibs  -- so it would not install here --
[05:11] <r0xz> SeanTater: hmmm, i didn't install by binary but compiled on subversion
[05:11] <SeanTater> r0xz: aaahhh -- that might do it
[05:11] <r0xz> SeanTater: is run the svn version from 1.1
[05:11] <r0xz> *i
[05:11] <SeanTater> r0xz: well -- I don't know that I want /that/ new
[05:11] <DaSkreech> Hobbster!!
[05:11] <r0xz> always've been stable enough fo normal use
[05:12] <r0xz> SeanTater: KTorrent is in the end of 2.0, so the big bugs are out already
[05:12] <SeanTater> r0xz: okay -- I might get to it, but It's getting late here
[05:12] <r0xz> hehe
[05:12] <SeanTater> r0xz: I'm not sure I'm up for compling
[05:12] <sdolnack> so in Wine
[05:12] <sdolnack> do i donwload the exe installer and open it w/ wine?
[05:13] <DaSkreech> Does it still stop downloading for no reason?
[05:13] <r0xz> well, if you don't try you don't know...
[05:13] <SeanTater> r0xz: I'll get to it -- but I plan to sleep soon
[05:14] <SeanTater> r0xz: in fact -- with my eyelids shutting I think that will be in 5 --- 4 ---- 3 ---- 2
[05:14] <r0xz> SeanTater: ah, you can always jump on the KT forum and poke with an question, there're some nice people there...
[05:14] <SeanTater> r0xz: there's nice people all over the place
[05:15] <SeanTater> r0xz: about one in 10**50 people in linux act like trolls -- they might be annoying, but they /are/ a flash in the pan
[05:15] <SeanTater> r0xz: thanks for the encouragement anyway -- see ya
[05:15] <r0xz> DaSKreech: you mean KTorrent? One guy said he's still experienced the stalling, but i haven't seen it here
[05:16] <DaSkreech> r0xz: Problem is the 10**50-1 are normally doing work all the time so they are pretty silent
[05:17] <r0xz> DaSKreech: iam not following
[05:17] <sdolnack> what do you guys recommend for a zip utility?
[05:17] <sdolnack> p7zip???
[05:17] <DaSkreech> r0xz: The trolls are few but very very loud
[05:17] <DaSkreech> and there alllll the time :-)
[05:18] <sdolnack> daskreech
[05:18] <sdolnack> what do you use for compression
[05:18] <sdolnack> or you r0xz
[05:18] <DaSkreech> The nice guys you have to prod a bit and wait for them to stop doing other things
[05:19] <r0xz> sdolnack: just ark with tarball or CLI
[05:19] <Hobbsee> hey DaSkreech
[05:19] <DaSkreech> sdolnack: gunzip is fine
[05:19] <DaSkreech> :-)
[05:19] <DaSkreech> hi Hobbsee
[05:19] <sdolnack> but i'm using wine
[05:19] <r0xz> sdolnack: tar.bz2 has better compression then tar.gz but is somewhat slower
[05:20] <sdolnack> and downloading windows files and they're in like rar and stuff
[05:20] <DaSkreech> Oh 7zip then
[05:20] <sdolnack> ahh... so that's the advantage of tar.gz
[05:20] <DaSkreech> but that works under Linus as well
[05:20] <sdolnack> Linux too ;-)
[05:20] <r0xz> *faster  (getting tired here...)
[05:20] <DaSkreech> *laughs* Yeah
[05:21] <DaSkreech> Though under Linus most stuff seems to work ..
[05:23] <larrywells> So what is the major item for the new Dapper?
[05:23] <DaSkreech> LTS
[05:23] <larrywells> LTS?
[05:23] <sdolnack> long term service
[05:23] <sdolnack> 3 years instead of 18 months
[05:24] <sdolnack> now that i've installed p7zip... how do i open this damn rar file?
[05:24] <sdolnack> sudo p7zip isn't recognized
[05:24] <DaSkreech> sdolnack: Lol
[05:24] <DaSkreech> Just install unrar
[05:24] <larrywells> What does that mean exactly, that they will have service of the new OS?
[05:25] <sdolnack> it wasn't in the repos
[05:26] <larrywells> Does that mean Dapper will be the only new release for 3 years?
[05:26] <sdolnack> nvm
[05:26] <sdolnack> yes it is
[05:26] <sdolnack> larywells--i thougth that, but tha'ts not necessarily true
[05:26] <DaSkreech> larrywells: No
[05:26] <sdolnack> coz the other versions were out for 6 mos at a time, but had 18 month support
[05:26] <sdolnack> ok now what's hte deal w/ unrar and unrar-free?
[05:26] <larrywells> Ok, I think I understand now
[05:27] <sdolnack> will i tnot work or something?
[05:27] <DaSkreech> sdolnack: unrar is made by rarlabs. unrar-free is open source
[05:27] <larrywells> But it is free, the support is not that robust anyway
[05:27] <robotgeek> larrywells: hmm, not true
[05:27] <chavo> larrywells, the best free support money can buy
[05:28] <larrywells> Exactly, lol
[05:28] <DaSkreech> larrywells: Does that actually make sense to you?
[05:28] <robotgeek> larrywells: it means that security fixes from developers to packages will be provided
[05:28] <sdolnack> linux doens't handle spaces in filenames well does it
[05:28] <larrywells> Oh I understand that
[05:28] <robotgeek> sdolnack: escape it with a \
[05:28] <chavo> sdolnack, sure it does
[05:29] <larrywells> So now they will be supplying the security fixes for 3 years
[05:29] <DaSkreech> sdolnack: tab is your friend
[05:29] <sdolnack> what do you mean escape it w/ a \?
[05:29] <chavo> sdolnack, put a slash in front of the space and then you can use it, that's in a terminal anyway
[05:31] <larrywells> Kubuntu, has given my old 500 mgz machine new life
[05:31] <DaSkreech> Hooray!
[05:31] <larrywells> It was about to go to goodwill
[05:31] <larrywells> lol
[05:32] <sdolnack> so how do I use wine exactly?
[05:32] <chavo> sdolnack, basically you just run -> wine appname.exe
[05:32] <DaSkreech> isn't there a winecfg?
[05:32] <sdolnack> i did
[05:32] <chavo> sdolnack, you should run winecfg first to setup your .wine directory
[05:33] <sdolnack> i installed a program into the program fiels of the wine directory
[05:33] <larrywells> I see now that Kubuntu also runs on PPC now
[05:33] <chavo> sdolnack, it should create menu items, or desktop icon if you asked it too
[05:33] <KuLover> Anyone here experiance high CPU usage during large file transfers?
[05:33] <sdolnack> and added it in the applications in winecfg
[05:34] <makko> any particular reason the grub boot menu of dapper is text (a plain text table) instead of graphical (supporting a splash screen)?
[05:35] <sdolnack> i wondered that to makko but  i'm just kinda used to it
[05:35] <sdolnack> i realized to me i tdidn't matter as much
[05:35] <makko> sdolnack: it matters for many newbyes wich are used to suse or redhat. they'd think ubuntu is "less advanced"
[05:35] <makko> sdolnack: many are prejudiced against text envs
[05:36] <sdolnack> i know
[05:36] <sdolnack> i had mandriva for a while
[05:36] <sdolnack> granted, it was broken, so i had 10 sec to switch to windows every time i loaded the computer
[05:36] <sdolnack> but it looked nice
[05:36] <sdolnack> then i saw ubuntu and was liek "ugh"
[05:36] <sdolnack> but you can at least make it colorful
[05:36] <sdolnack> which helps
[05:36] <sdolnack> are you running kubuntu or ubuntu?
[05:36] <makko> sdolnack: yes! and it's quite funny, seeing that mandriva uses lilo, which is said to be less advanced than grub (it uses a patch lilo, so that explains it)
[05:37] <makko> sdolnack: me? kubuntu
[05:37] <sdolnack> ok
[05:37] <sdolnack> open your konsole
[05:37] <sdolnack> and type in sudo kwrite /boot/grub/menu.lst
[05:38] <makko> yes...?
[05:38] <sdolnack> on line 26, right below "Pretty Colours"
[05:38] <sdolnack> delete the #
[05:38] <makko> sdolnack: nice option
[05:38] <sdolnack> and it will then have a nice cyan/white/blue theme goin on
[05:38] <sdolnack> which is a lot more appealing
[05:38] <sdolnack> and you can also hide the menu so that it just automatically boots into default unless you press ESC
[05:39] <sdolnack> this is so cool to me, this whole being able to customize (kustomize--heh) everything
[05:39] <makko> sdolnack: my breezy used to have a "splashimage (hd0,0)/boot/grub/splashimages/debsplash.xpm.gz" just at the beginning of this same file.
[05:39] <sdolnack> i'm a newbie, too.  3 days old
[05:39] <sdolnack> hmm really?
[05:39] <makko> sdolnack: i guess this could bring the graphical menu
[05:39] <makko> sdolnack: absolutely
[05:39] <sdolnack> i just caught on riight after dapper was released
[05:39] <makko> sdolnack: i think it would work
[05:39] <sdolnack> look on the forums
[05:40] <makko> sdolnack: so i guess you should provide it a path to an existing xpm.gz (picture) file
[05:40] <makko> sdolnack: any reason you renounced mandriva?
[05:42] <sdolnack> makko: absolutely
[05:42] <sdolnack> it would not work w/ my dell inspiron 9300.  It just woudlnt' boot
[05:42] <sdolnack> it'd freeze during boot.  and it was such a hassle
[05:42] <sdolnack> and then installed Kubuntu dapper--and everything worked so well!! Wireless!! Right outta the box!!!!
[05:43] <makko> sdolnack: my reason of renouncing mandriva (my first love; ubuntu is the second) is that i was feeling like a second-class citizen (no access to some software) as a non--club-member.
[05:43] <makko> sdolnack: that's just the main reason.
[05:44] <makko> sdolnack: did you try to disable acpi, apic, and lapic? that way it would work again. no boot freezing!
[05:45] <sdolnack> yeah, that too--the whole club thing
[05:45] <sdolnack> i didn't try to disable acpi and what not--i didn't even want to bother
[05:45] <sdolnack> and i'm sooooooo SOOOOOO happy with Kubuntu-i'm not going anywhere for a long while
[05:45] <makko> sdolnack: ubuntu WILL ALWAYS be free (as in free beer)
[05:46] <robotgeek> fere speech, even
[05:46] <makko> sdolnack: it seems they're trying to encourage a different business model
[05:46] <makko> robotgeek: that doesn't even need to be mentioned
[05:47] <makko> robotgeek: ... since it's so obvious
[05:47] <sdolnack> they totally are
[05:47] <sdolnack> haha the only free beer i've seen all but requires a donation
[05:47] <kkathman> hey robotgeek, the Opera static wouldnt install because I needed this xlibs and xlib6g
[05:47] <sdolnack> ubuntu is amazing
[05:47] <makko> kkathman: it's not AND, it's just OR.
[05:47] <kkathman> I tried to load up xlibs-dev, but it still didnt work
[05:47] <sdolnack> not just the software, but the mindset and purpose
[05:47] <kkathman> makko:  ok, well
[05:48] <makko> kkathman: you may want to add breezy main, install xlibs from there (no conflict!) and then disable breezy main.
[05:48] <nixternal> kkathman: what are you trying to install???  cedega?
[05:48] <kkathman> I still cant get Opera to work in Dapper :(
[05:48] <nixternal> oh opera
[05:48] <makko> kkathman: it's as simple as i said.
[05:48] <kkathman> makko.. ok I will try that :)
[05:48] <makko> kkathman: you will install it in not time
[05:48] <kkathman> thanks man...I'll check that out
[05:49] <sdolnack> Opera???
[05:49] <robotgeek> kkathman: i tht opera has a dapepr deb?
[05:49] <sdolnack> haha
[05:49] <nixternal> xlibs-dev doesn't fix the xlibs dependency for opera does it?  i know it doesn't for cedega
[05:49] <sdolnack> so can anyone help me w/ wine?
[05:49] <makko> kkathman: plus... let me tell you a secret: just force install opera (yes, with no xlibs) and it will STILL WORK! (it's just that synaptic will report it as broken)
[05:49] <nixternal> sdolnack: what kind of help?
[05:49] <chavo> sdolnack, ill try
[05:49] <makko> nixternal: no, not yet. but this is something the opera team should fix, not us
[05:50] <nixternal> exactly
[05:50] <makko> nixternal: we had to remove xlibs. it is obsolete.
[05:50] <nixternal> i had to grab xlibs from elsewhere...i know the xlibs-dev didn't fix my dependencies..and xlibs itself wasn't...ya...
[05:50] <nixternal> makko: exactly..i found that out the other night with a cedega install
[05:51] <sdolnack> ok
[05:51] <makko> nixternal: you don't need to grab it from "elsewhere". just add breezy main, install xlibs, then remove it.
[05:51] <sdolnack> i'm trying to use LDC++
[05:51] <kkathman> robotgeek:  no dapper deb on Opera yet
[05:51] <sdolnack> and so far i've installed wine and unrar
[05:51] <makko> kkathman: you just don't have the right repo
[05:52] <sdolnack> and extracted the .rar file into ~/.wine/drive_c/Program Files/LDC
[05:52] <sdolnack> but when i try to run LDCPlusPlus.exe ig et this:
[05:52] <kkathman> makko:  ok I put in the breezy main...did the update
[05:52] <kkathman> but, I already installed xlibs-dev from dapper
[05:52] <nixternal> argh..i didn't even think of the breezy mains makko...i will in the past now...we get a lot of cedega needs xlibs questions too...i will utilize that info..thank you
[05:52] <makko> kkathman: you'll love this: ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[05:52] <kkathman> wont that mess things up
[05:52] <sdolnack> wine: could not load L"c:\\windows\\system32\\LDCPlusPlus.exe": Module not found
[05:53] <sdolnack> what does that mean/
[05:53] <makko> nixternal: you're welcome
[05:53] <nixternal> makko: i was wondering when you were going to hit him with the source-o-matic ;)
[05:53] <sdolnack> module not found in system32?/
[05:53] <makko> sdolnack: and you too will love this: http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic -- it's like easyurpmi
[05:53] <makko> nixternal: why?? :))
[05:53] <kkathman> makko are you suggesting that I just do the dpkg -i on the opera deb with a --force option?
[05:53] <makko> nixternal: was i that predictible?
[05:54] <makko> kkathman: why not. still, i would prefer using the breezy main repo.
[05:54] <nixternal> yes makko
[05:54] <nixternal> i have seen you post the source-o-matic b4
[05:54] <nixternal> hehe
[05:54] <makko> kkathman: i don't like it when my synaptic shows broken packages
[05:54] <DShepherd> DaSkreech: ur awfully quiet
[05:55] <makko> nixternal: before? when?
[05:55] <kkathman> makko:  but what package is it exactly???   I already installed xlibs-dev from dapper.....wont there be a problem in doing a sudo apt-get install xlibs-dev again?
[05:55] <makko> kkathman: no!
[05:55] <nixternal> either the forums or in here
[05:55] <makko> kkathman: from breezy, it is "xlibs" that you need to install.
[05:55] <kkathman> ahhh ok
[05:55] <kkathman> makko:  so simply sudo apt-get install xlibs ?
[05:55] <makko> kkathman: yes, as long as you have breezy main added
[05:56] <kkathman> I added it
[05:56] <kkathman> one moment then
[05:56] <makko> kkathman: first you should sudo apt-get update, you know that, right?
[05:56] <nixternal> sdolnack: sorry...im looking at this LDCPlusPlus...give me one second
[05:57] <DaSkreech> DShepherd: Yeah
[05:57] <defrysk> http://www.opera.com/download/index.dml?ver=9.0b
[05:57] <defrysk> go there
[05:57] <DaSkreech> DShepherd: Decided that I'd just let the flow of Pros through :)
[05:57] <sdolnack> no prob
[05:58] <defrysk> and choose ubuntu
[05:58] <defrysk> installs without a hickup
[05:58] <defrysk> sorry wron link
[05:59] <sdolnack> let it be known that i never even really got the chance to mess around in mandrake
[05:59] <makko> kkathman: any feedback? :)
[05:59] <sdolnack> i might have actually loggen in successfully like
[05:59] <sdolnack> twice?
[06:00] <defrysk> get the debian unstable that one works for dapper
[06:00] <kkathman> makko: You ARE da man :)
[06:00] <defrysk> http://www.opera.com/download/index.dml?ver=9.0b
[06:00] <kkathman> makko:  I do need to apparently install motif somehow tho
[06:00] <defrysk> choose debian unstable
[06:00] <kkathman> defrysk: hehe no need :)
[06:00] <kkathman> it worked exactly as makko said :)
[06:01] <defrysk> kkathman, the hard way
[06:02] <defrysk> kkathman, get libmotif3
[06:02] <defrysk> so you can get java and stuf detected
[06:03] <sdolnack> so anyone w/ this wine thing?
[06:04] <kkathman> defrysk: I actually need motif for something but dont know how to get it installed
[06:04] <kkathman> it complained that operamotif wasnt installed
[06:04] <defrysk> sudo apt-get install libmotif3
[06:04] <nixternal> sdolnack: so when you type> wine LDCPlusPlus.exe     you get that error?
[06:04] <defrysk> kkathman, it complais about it but wil run without it
[06:05] <defrysk> it uses motif as a detection tool
[06:05] <sdolnack> yes
[06:05] <kkathman> ahhh libmoitf 3 i get it :)
[06:05] <kkathman> hehe
[06:05] <sdolnack> hold on
[06:05] <unix_infidel> i can install kde meta package fro within dapper right
[06:05] <defrysk> or something
[06:05] <sdolnack> sdolnack@Yggdrasil:~$ wine LDCPlusPlus.exe
[06:05] <sdolnack> wine: could not load L"c:\\windows\\system32\\LDCPlusPlus.exe": Module not found
[06:05] <kkathman> lemme check flash
[06:05] <unix_infidel> BUT! how large will the kde desktop be?
[06:06] <kkathman> heh works :)
[06:06] <kkathman> HECK YA!
[06:06] <defrysk> cool
[06:06] <unix_infidel> like that metapackage, how much diskspace will the install take up?
[06:06] <unix_infidel> not just the debs that apt downloads, but the actual install of the binaries.
[06:06] <unix_infidel> plus the debs.
[06:06] <defrysk> unix_infidel, go tu ubuntu-motu for that
[06:07] <nixternal> sdolnack: may i please recommend that you check with the people over at #winehq   <- they are the wine gurus and maybe able to help you further. they may ask if you check the database to see if you program is listed. if they do, let them know it is not listed
[06:07] <unix_infidel> motu?
[06:07] <unix_infidel> wtf?
[06:07] <defrysk> masters of the universe
[06:07] <defrysk> developers and stuff
[06:07] <defrysk> they no
[06:07] <chavo> sdolnack, what are you trying to run?
[06:08] <nixternal> chavo: LDC++
[06:08] <sdolnack> aiight
[06:08] <sdolnack> so has anyone ever gotten xgl/compiz to work w/ kde practically?
[06:09] <nixternal> a select few ;)
[06:09] <chavo> sdolnack, works here
[06:09] <sdolnack> no shit
[06:09] <sdolnack> on Kubuntu?
[06:10] <defrysk> kkathman, http://snapshot.opera.com/unix/Weekly-206/intel-linux/ a special weekly daaper build is available there (latest of the latest)
[06:10] <sdolnack> and doens't slow everything to a crawling halt?
[06:10] <chavo> no it actually speeds up rendering
[06:10] <DaSkreech> sdolnack: It works in Suse out the box
[06:10] <sdolnack> when i tried to install it
[06:10] <sdolnack> and i logged in to an xgl session
[06:11] <sdolnack> everything wa ssoooooo slow
[06:11] <sdolnack> like scrolling wasn't smooth
[06:11] <DaSkreech> You had the fglrx drivers?
[06:11] <sdolnack> mm hmm
[06:12] <sdolnack> i don't mean to sound so naive but caon someone explain this whole multi-desktop concept to me?
[06:12] <sdolnack> i mean, apart from xgl and all that
[06:12] <sdolnack> coz i see boxes w/ 2, 3, and 4 in it and clicking them does nothing
[06:12] <sdolnack> except make some things minimized
[06:13] <DaSkreech> sdolnack: Open an application with 4 selected
[06:14] <chavo> sdolnack, it gives you a whole empty workspace
[06:14] <chavo> you can configure the taskbar to not show apps on the other workspaces
[06:14] <DaSkreech> sdolnack: Let me know when you've done that ;)
[06:14] <auTONYmous> anybody know anything about HAL and kde's relationship?
[06:15] <auTONYmous> I'm using NTFS-FUSE to mount some winblows partitions, but HAL doesn't know they're mounted
[06:15] <DaSkreech> Well they both come from the family of three letter acronyms
[06:15] <sdolnack> just config'd it
[06:15] <sdolnack> beautiful
[06:17] <defrysk> auTONYmous, jriddel seems to be working on it, see http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/kde-hal-device-manager/
[06:17] <sdolnack> but it's purely cosmetic, no?  it's not like you suddenly have the stability of a clean workspace w/ nothing running
[06:17] <auTONYmous> I have that, doesn't fix my problem.
[06:18] <rabidphage> greetings..:-)
[06:18] <chavo> sdolnack, yes
[06:18] <makko> any particular reason the grub boot menu of dapper is text (a plain text table) instead of graphical (supporting a splash screen)?
[06:18] <RawSewage> In Kontact, the folder list in Mail is invisible.  How can I fix this?
[06:18] <chavo> sdolnack, I don't use desktops as much now that I have dual monitor setup
[06:18] <makko> RawSewage: check the side bar
[06:18] <rabidphage> is perl installed by default in kubuntu alternative? and if yes how do i run a perl script..
[06:19] <RawSewage> makko, for what
[06:19] <aseigo> rabidphage: yes, as is python
[06:19] <DaSkreech> RawSewage: Did you get the tabs to go in Konqui?
[06:20] <RawSewage> no, you cant
[06:20] <rabidphage> aseigo: thanks mate..
[06:20] <RawSewage> Oh, I forgot to post the ss
[06:20] <makko> RawSewage: for a graphical menu
[06:20] <RawSewage> www.pov.cc/snapshot5.png
[06:20] <aseigo> rabidphage: to run a perl script either do `perl scriptfile` or chmod +x the script, make sure it has #!/usr/bin/perl at the top and away you go
[06:21] <r0xz> is there a difference between oasis odt and kword format?
[06:21] <rabidphage> aseigo: can i change grant executive rights to the file via the context menu?
[06:21] <aseigo> rabidphage: yes. go to the properties dialog
[06:21] <rabidphage> aseigo:*scratch change
[06:22] <RawSewage> Ok, if no one can help me, what did it used to look like?
[06:22] <RawSewage> were there icons?
[06:22] <chavo> sdolnack, I got ldc to run, but it's slow
[06:22] <rabidphage> aseigo: u rock(y)
[06:23] <aseigo> i try
[06:23] <RawSewage> IRC is useless
[06:23] <DaSkreech> aseigo: How was boston?
[06:24] <defrysk> r0xz, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenDocument it stated odt is developed by oasis hence the "oasis"
[06:25] <defrysk> odf that is
[06:25] <aseigo> DaSkreech: very productive
[06:25] <defrysk> r0xz, so its ODF in kword
[06:25] <aseigo> DaSkreech: i did manage to catch a concert and visit a tiny authentic boston irish bar
[06:26] <DaSkreech> aseigo: Glad to hear. LSB rolls forward into the future .... and beyond!!!!
[06:26] <defrysk> or odt whatever
[06:26] <aseigo> DaSkreech: but other than that it was ~16hrs of travel, ~17hrs of work and a handful more of networking
[06:26] <aseigo> DaSkreech: yeah, i sent a general summary email to kde-core-devel about the meeting this morning
[06:27] <DaSkreech> aseigo: Guess I'll catch up on the blog :)
[06:27] <aseigo> i'm probably not going to put it up on the blog, actually.. perhaps i'll link to it.. hm.. yeah, that's a good idea
[06:27] <aseigo> to the mail archives...
[06:27] <DaSkreech> :-)
[06:28] <aseigo> i didn't really cover some of the stuff that's not of tramendous interest / import ... and i did forget to cover how the lsb is breaking up into more than one module.. but that's a bit of a detail....
[06:28] <aseigo> anyways. time to relax for the evening.
[06:30] <DaSkreech> :-)
[06:34] <martinp> just installed dapper Drake on my iBook 300MHz... the partitioning was a bit ruff but the rest was a breeze... :-)
[06:37] <martinp> really quiet here...
[06:38] <martinp> lol
[06:45] <kkathman> dang I forgot how to get kvirc to play a sound when my name is placed in the channel :(
[06:48] <kkathman> brb
[06:48] <MikeMcA> Hello.  I'm trying out the kubuntu live cd on my dell laptop.  I got it working with my wireless card but only if I set the auth key via iwconfig.  If I try to set it via the kde network settings dialog my selection of a hexadecimal key keeps getting set back to ASCII.  Anyone have any idea why?
[06:55] <mary> will all devices that work on ubuntu work with kubuntu?
[06:56] <kkathman> mary:  what do you mean by devices?
[06:56] <kkathman> in general they should, yes
[06:56] <DaSkreech> generally yeah
[06:56] <mary> a pcmcia wifi card
[06:56] <kkathman> but there are KDE settings that do  get mucked up occasionally
[06:57] <noaXess> good morning all..
[06:57] <mary> yeah somebody on the ubuntu forum told me that they used a zonet card, so i bought it on newegg.  maybe i just dont know how to set it up
[06:57] <mary> or ubuntu irc
[06:59] <noaXess> my mozilla-thunderbird taskbar icon is an big X, not the tb icon... is it possible to change this?
[07:00] <newuserak> how would i configure a pcmcia wifi connection?
[07:03] <azathoth> is there any way to make d4x automatically download without popping up the dialog?
[07:06] <_rince_> mrgn
[07:13] <alex__> anyone here?
[07:14] <lrathbon> hello all
[07:15] <lrathbon> does anyone know if ubuntu still uses pmount in conjunction with hal to do mounting of removable media in kde?
[07:15] <DaSkreech> Hi
[07:18] <sdolnack> ok the guy on winehq was an asshole
[07:19] <DaSkreech> Why don't you just read the forums?
[07:22] <sdolnack> i do
[07:22] <sdolnack> someone in here told me to go to winehq though
[07:22] <sdolnack> and i did
[07:22] <sdolnack> and i had no idea about /topic or appdb or any of that
[07:22] <sdolnack> and the guy called me lazy and said i wasted an hou rof my time
[07:22] <sdolnack> wht an asshole
[07:25] <chavo> sdolnack, I extracted ldc++ into a directory in my ~ and it ran fine, well it's real slow but it ran
[07:26] <sdolnack> well yeah, it RAN... but it wasn't near usable
[07:26] <sdolnack> not on a practical level
[07:28] <nixternal> kkathman: sorry...we have been pretty busy in the other channel. what issue do you notice? maybe I can be of some assistance?  plus most of the people in the other channel are still sleeping due to their location
[07:29] <kkathman> nixternal:  I have a KDE with multiple panels.  For some reason, setting a panel in the center bottom, and setting that to expand, doesnt work
[07:29] <nixternal> expand how?
[07:29] <nixternal> you using 6 desktops?
[07:30] <kkathman> nixternal:  hard to explain...but its never worked well in kubuntu for some reason...I suspect there is something peculiar on how kubuntu references the panels
[07:30] <nixternal> nm...i read that wrong
[07:30] <nixternal> you said multiple panels..i was thinking desktops...brainfart...ok...lets see here
[07:30] <kkathman> nixternal:  actually I take my kicker panel (main) and shorten it and place it far right and tiny
[07:31] <kkathman> nixternal:  then I create two other panels, tiny, and place one in the center bottom (for applications), and one on the far bottom left, for desktop pager and sys tray
[07:31] <kkathman> then makes for a very clean, hidden area
[07:31] <nixternal> will any of the panels expand?
[07:32] <kkathman> nixternal:  however, when you settle the center panel and add applications, it wont center properly.  In addition if you try to set the settings on that panel to "expand as neede" this doesnt work either
[07:32] <kkathman> nixternal:  yes the other two expand just fine
[07:33] <kkathman> nixternal:  also, the center panel's "transparency" isnt operaing properly either
[07:33] <nixternal> the center won't expand at all...now that is odd
[07:33] <nixternal> ya...it sounds like you have something going on...
[07:33] <kkathman> nixternal:  its very odd
[07:33] <sdolnack> does unix serve any desktop purpose? like non-linux?
[07:33] <nixternal> i don't see the issue if i try to reproduce it
[07:33] <nixternal> have you checked with http://bugs.kde.com
[07:34] <nixternal> have you checked with http://bugs.kde.org
[07:34] <nixternal> sorry about that
[07:34] <nixternal> just noticed i com'd it ;)
[07:34] <DaSkreech> :-)
[07:35] <kkathman> nixternal:  no I havent...but its not a kde issue for sure, as I can configure this just fine in SUSE with no problems
[07:35] <nixternal> hmmm
[07:36] <nixternal> check malone then https://launchpad.net/bugs
[07:36] <sdolnack> anyone ever use valknut or linuxdc++?
[07:37] <kkathman> nixternal:  one moment... Im going to ctrl-alt-backspace and restart KDE...
[07:37] <nixternal> can't say that i have sdolnack
[07:39] <kkathman> nixternal:  haha...that fixed the problem :)
[07:39] <kkathman> lol
[07:39] <kkathman> I think sometimes when you add things to the panel it gets messed up on the refresh, nixternal
[07:39] <rocky> how do i make sure that the right driver is being used for my touchpad mouse?  It is very "touchy"  clicks stuff all over the place
[07:39] <nixternal> you know what...i can attest to that happening quite often
[07:39] <nixternal> especially with my applets
[07:39] <nixternal> have to restart kde
[07:40] <kkathman> yep.. now its fine!
[07:40] <nixternal> good deal
[07:41] <rocky> i'd like to just turn off the touch click feature
[07:42] <nixternal> what kind of laptop rocky?
[07:42] <rocky> dell inspiron 7000
[07:43] <nixternal> is it the eraser type or the synaptics type
[07:43] <rocky> syn
[07:45] <rocky> any ideas?
[07:46] <nixternal> i think you might must be able to blacklist the synaptics driver
[07:46] <nixternal> that is what im checking on...i don't have synaptics on my laptop
[07:46] <nixternal> plus my laptop is installing breezy
[07:48] <rocky> it seemed like alot of people on the forums have had the same problem, and i went through the threads, but stil couldn't get it working
[07:49] <nixternal> rocky: type> sudo nano /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
[07:49] <nixternal> rocky: add> synaptics
[07:50] <nixternal> are you using an external mouse?
[07:51] <rocky> no
[07:51] <nixternal> arg i wish my laptop was done installing..i could do this easier
[07:51] <nixternal> eww..then you don't want to do that then
[07:51] <rocky> do i need to restart completly?
[07:51] <nixternal> otherwisey ou will have no mouse
[07:51] <nixternal> STOP!!!
[07:51] <rocky> ok
[07:52] <nixternal> go back into blacklist and remove that now...i thought you were using an external mouse
[07:52] <nixternal> kick me for assuming ;)
[07:53] <nixternal> you have the same issue everyone does with synaptics...you touch it...pointer moves and clicks in a different area..and boom you are typing in the wrong area
[07:54] <nixternal> been there done that..that is why i always used a ps2 or usb mouse with my laptop
[07:54] <rocky> yeah
[07:54] <nixternal> i don't know of any easy fix
[07:54] <nixternal> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam
[07:55] <nixternal> you can check for you laptop model and see if anyone tested it and said anything about it
[08:03] <TheHighChild> Does anyone know where to set the shortcut bindings? My alt+tab doesn't change virtual desktops
[08:04] <TheHighChild> ctrl+tab*
[08:08] <TheHighChild> found it. Settings > Regional & Accessibility > Keyboard shortcuts
[08:10] <neuron_> hey
[08:10] <neuron_> i`m trying to install xgl on kubuntu
[08:11] <neuron_> and i get a error while trying to PKG_CONFIG_PATH=/opt/fdo/lib/pkgconfig ACLOCAL='aclocal -I /opt/fdo/share/aclocal' PATH=/opt/fdo/bin:$PATH util/modular/build.sh  -m /home/<username>/cvs/Mesa -D /opt/fdo
[08:11] <neuron_> whis is the output i get: http://pastebin.com/766746
[08:11] <neuron_> this*
[08:12] <crimsun> why are you compiling the stuff?
[08:13] <nixternal> hehe...multiverse repositories own...
[08:13] <neuron_> well, i`m folowing this guide: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=132406
[08:13] <neuron_> is there any other way i could install xgl ?
[08:14] <aftertaf> lol xgl madness abounds
[08:14] <nixternal> from the repositories
[08:14] <myndmelder>  I'm having trouble getting kafeine to work on Kubuntu... I've got all the codecs, and followed the info I found, but no dice...
[08:14] <neuron_> hehe :D xgl rocks :D
[08:15] <neuron_> nixternal, is there any how-to on installing xgl from repositories?
[08:16] <nixternal> im searchin' for that
[08:16] <neuron_> okay, ty ^^
[08:18] <nixternal> it is in the dapper universe repositories as xserver-sgl i believe
[08:18] <nixternal> actually..yes i see it in the packages
[08:19] <nixternal> xserver-xgl 7.0.0-0ubuntu4
[08:19] <neuron_> i installed that
[08:19] <neuron_> what do i do next? :D
[08:19] <nixternal> so it is there...you installed taht?
[08:19] <neuron_> yup
[08:20] <myndmelder>  I'm having trouble getting kafeine to work on Kubuntu... I've got all the codecs, and followed the info I found, but no dice...
[08:20] <nixternal> so what were you compiling?
[08:21] <neuron_> well, `im folowing http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=132406 , i got to the build an install the newest libs part
[08:23] <m0ns00n> Anyone else having problems with KDesktop freezing?
[08:23] <m0ns00n> When clicking to get icon info
[08:23] <m0ns00n> I also have this in v3.5.3
[08:23] <nixternal> i don't have an issue m0ns00n...3.5.3 here also
[08:23] <m0ns00n> Rightclicking on icons also in Konqueror at large
[08:23] <nixternal> what icon info you trying to get?
[08:23] <m0ns00n> Happens on our AMD64 machine as well
[08:23] <m0ns00n> Just rightclicking
[08:24] <m0ns00n> To copy or paste or whatever
[08:24] <nixternal> oh no..i have no problem there...i do it all the time...i386 here..so if it is amd64 i can't help
[08:24] <nixternal> my right clicking is fine
[08:24] <m0ns00n> This is i386
[08:24] <m0ns00n> So it's both on the amd64 version and i386
[08:24] <m0ns00n> You then need to log out of session with the mouse as the keyboard freezes
[08:24] <nixternal> hmmm...i don't have a problem with it at all...it works great for me cuz i right click like crazy in konqi
[08:25] <phreak____> i'm in AMND 64 and Kdesktop has had some issues
[08:25] <nixternal> neuron_: what part are you at that gives you this error?
[08:26] <neuron_> the one after compiling libdrm
[08:26] <m0ns00n> With the NVidia drivers leading to server locks, KDE freezing the keyboard etc..... perhaps the linux kernel should have some way to escape these situations
[08:26] <nixternal> m0ns00n: im in konqi now...i can right click..do you have a specific setting that might be causing this?
[08:26] <m0ns00n> nixternal: No no special setting, just happens randomly
[08:26] <m0ns00n> nixternal: The bug is also in kde bugs
[08:26] <neuron_> when i do this PKG_CONFIG_PATH=/opt/fdo/lib/pkgconfig ACLOCAL='aclocal -I /opt/fdo/share/aclocal' PATH=/opt/fdo/bin:$PATH util/modular/build.sh -m /home/<username>/cvs/Mesa -D /opt/fdo
[08:27] <neuron_> notice i pulled out the "-n"
[08:28] <nixternal> i don't get it at all m0ns00n...i use the right click feature in konqi at least a 100 times a day
[08:30] <nixternal> chavo: you around at all?
[08:30] <m0ns00n> nixternal: Me too. It's wierd. Wonder if it only happens with the NVidia drivers
[08:30] <chavo> yes I'm here
[08:30] <m0ns00n> nixternal: Woudln't surprize me..
[08:30] <nixternal> thank god..you said you got kubuntu/xgl working right?
[08:30] <m0ns00n> nixternal: That it uses 100% cpu or something like that
[08:30] <chavo> yes
[08:31] <nixternal> ahh..wait...im using nvidia on one machine and ati on another...i haven't come acrossed it yet
[08:31] <nixternal> hey.. neuron_ is having a compile issue following hte forums howto...can you help at all?
[08:31] <nixternal> chavo ^^
[08:31] <chavo> I didn't compile anything, got it all from quinnstorm repos
[08:31] <nixternal> im at a lost with it it all concerning the xgl
[08:32] <nixternal> could you point him in the right direction maybe for that?
[08:32] <neuron_> chavo, is there any howto that i could folow in installing xgl?
[08:32] <chavo> yeah
[08:32] <neuron_> ty :P
[08:32] <nixternal> cool chavo i really appreciate that one
[08:32] <chavo> neuron_, what video card?
[08:33] <neuron_> nvidia
[08:33] <chavo> ok that makes it easier
[08:33] <neuron_> hehe :D
[08:33] <neuron_> nvidia GeForce4 Ti 4200 too be exact
[08:34] <chavo> I assume you already have the nvidia drivers up and running
[08:34] <neuron_> yup
[08:35] <chavo> ok first do a kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:36] <chavo> and add these two lines ->
[08:36] <chavo> deb http://xgl.compiz.info/ dapper main
[08:36] <chavo> deb http://www.beerorkid.com/compiz/ dapper main
[08:37] <vinboy> u got xgl to go on kubuntu?
[08:37] <mrfishhat> how do i get a hard drive to become bootable without using the cd to boot to first hard drive?
[08:37] <neuron_> done
[08:37] <chavo> alright now you gotta import the key-> wget http://www.beerorkid.com/compiz/quinn.key.asc -O - | sudo apt-key add -
[08:38] <chavo> after that do a -> sudo apt-get update
[08:40] <neuron_> chavo: i get W: GPG error: http://xgl.compiz.info dapper Release: The following signatures co                        uldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 31A5F97FED                        8A569E
[08:40] <neuron_>  when i try to sudo apt-get update
[08:40] <billytwowilly> what's the command to make a deb from source? not with dpkg, with the automagic program.
[08:40] <chavo> neuron_, did you do this one ->
[08:40] <chavo> wget http://www.beerorkid.com/compiz/quinn.key.asc -O - | sudo apt-key add -
[08:41] <neuron_> yes
[08:41] <frank__> billytwowilly: checkinstall?
[08:41] <imbrandon_> billytwowilly, checkinstall
[08:41] <chavo> ok hold on let me find the key for the other one
[08:41] <billytwowilly> sweet!
[08:41] <billytwowilly> thanks
[08:41] <billytwowilly> I can never remember the name of that program;)
[08:41] <neuron_> okay, ty
[08:43] <yonkeltron> i need to morph an image. any suggestions?
[08:43] <yonkeltron> into another one that is...
[08:43] <imbrandon_> chavo, that key worked for me ..... i'm doing this too
[08:44] <chavo> well there's 2 repos, and they are mirrors
[08:44] <D0M1N8R> How does one mount reiser4?
[08:44] <D0M1N8R> the tools on kubuntu are there to make a reiser4 file system but seems mount does not support this format
[08:44] <imbrandon_> D0M1N8R, same as any other mount only specify reiser
[08:45] <chavo> try this one also-> wget  http://www.beerorkid.com/compiz/key.asc -O - | sudo apt-key add -
[08:45] <neuron_> done
[08:45] <D0M1N8R> k I did mount -t reiser4 /dev/hda4 /mnt/hda4
[08:45] <D0M1N8R> comes back reiser4 is invalid type
[08:45] <neuron_> chavo, i did get a "OK" after this one
[08:45] <neuron_> chavo, and it didnt take as long as the first one
[08:46] <imbrandon_> D0M1N8R, did you try auto ?
[08:46] <D0M1N8R> I looked at man but dont see anything on reiser4
[08:46] <chavo> neuron_, alright run sudo apt-get update again
[08:46] <D0M1N8R> -t auto?
[08:46] <imbrandon_> yes
[08:46] <neuron_> its done
[08:46] <D0M1N8R> wasnt sure how to do that but I'll try that now
[08:47] <D0M1N8R> says I must specify a file system type
[08:47] <imbrandon_> hmmm
[08:47] <chavo> neuron_, now do -> sudo apt-get install xserver-xgl  compiz compiz-gnome gset-compiz
[08:48] <chavo> this will get you an updated compiz and xgl server
[08:48] <neuron_> E: Broken packages
[08:48] <neuron_> got some depends mising
[08:49] <azathoth> i get a kdelibs dependency problem when i try and install qtcurve... and yet the package it depends on is right there in the system...
[08:49] <imbrandon_> neuron_, you might have something missing , just worked fine here
[08:49] <azathoth> anyone know what would be up?
[08:49] <neuron_> i got some libs like libxml, libsvg
[08:49] <imbrandon_> neuron_, you have universe adnmultiverse enabled
[08:49] <neuron_> should i install them all?
[08:49] <neuron_> yup, i do
[08:50] <neuron_> first thing i`ve done after installing kubuntu :D
[08:50] <chavo> neuron_, can you pastebin the output of that?
[08:51] <neuron_> yup, just a sec
[08:51] <imbrandon_> chavo, what howto are you following ? or whats next ?
[08:51] <neuron_> http://pastebin.com/766795
[08:52] <aftertaf> !xgl
[08:52] <ubotu> from memory, xgl is "XGL on Ubuntu: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CompositeManager - Join #ubuntu-xgl for all the XGL fun on Ubuntu systems.  Pretty videos on http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease/"
[08:52] <chavo> imbrandon I used bits of each one, there are a lot of how to's. Some of them are outdated
[08:53] <chavo> neuron_, you are on dapper right?
[08:53] <neuron_> yup
[08:53] <imbrandon_> ok chavo next ?
[08:53] <neuron_> oops
[08:53] <neuron_> i`m on breezy
[08:54] <chavo> imbrandon_, next edit your /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc to start xgl instead of regular x
[08:54] <neuron_> Ubuntu 5.10 "Breezy Badger"
[08:54] <chavo> neuron_, woops
[08:54] <chavo> no wonder!
[08:54] <imbrandon_> ok just change the x to xgl ?
[08:54] <imbrandon_> no parms etc ?
[08:54] <chavo> imbrandon_, no hold on
[08:55] <chavo> imbrandon, nvidia card?
[08:55] <imbrandon_> yup yup
[08:55] <chavo> ServerCmd=/usr/bin/Xgl :0 -fullscreen -ac -accel glx:pbuffer -accel xv:fbo
[08:56] <chavo> I just commented the old ServerCmd= out, just in case
[08:56] <imbrandon_> yup
[08:56] <neuron_> i`ll install dapper tomorow i think
[08:56] <nixternal> lol imbrandon gettin' in on the xgl goodness
[08:56] <imbrandon_> lol nixternalyea on my testing box
[08:56] <nixternal> neuron...save this to a logfile
[08:56] <nixternal> ;)
[08:57] <neuron_> hehe
[08:57] <imbrandon_> doh
[08:57] <imbrandon_> oh good
[08:57] <neuron_> chavo, wb :D
[08:57] <imbrandon_> ok done chavo
[08:57] <imbrandon_> restart x ?
[08:57] <chavo> woops killed the wrong xsession :P
[08:58] <chavo> you can test it out by starting a new session if you want
[08:58] <imbrandon_> k
[08:58] <chavo> kmenu -> Switch User -> Start New Session
[08:58] <chavo> just to make sure it doesn't bomb out
[08:58] <imbrandon_> yup yup, not a total newb just havent tried xgl yet ;)
[08:58] <neuron_> chavo, what do i do next?
[08:58] <chavo> neuron_, you gotta upgrade to dapper
[08:59] <neuron_> dang
[08:59] <aftertaf> chavo, doing same...... what about for nvidia?
[08:59] <nixternal> hehe
[08:59] <neuron_> i`ll do this today then :D
[08:59] <nixternal> chavo gets mad beans for his XGL keynote in #kubuntu
[08:59] <neuron_> dang, i got to install lots things again :(
[08:59] <chavo> aftertaf, this is all for nvidia
[08:59] <neuron_> lots of things even
[08:59] <chavo> neuron_, yes it's a big upgrade
[09:00] <aftertaf> chavo, ok. i got a startxgl, i got a xgl.desktop......
[09:00] <aftertaf> i just modified my kdmrc....
[09:00] <aftertaf> now what ? :)
[09:00] <imbrandon_> kk
[09:00] <imbrandon_> all good
[09:01] <chavo> aftertaf, you can test it by starting a new session or just restart the one you're on
[09:01] <aftertaf> and if all goes wrong i remodify kdmrc, right?
[09:01] <chavo> aftertaf, yes
[09:01] <aftertaf> !)
[09:01] <ubotu> aftertaf: Not a clue. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[09:02] <imbrandon_> chavo, brb all worked out and i'm gonna restart my main x session
[09:02] <chavo> imbrandon alright
[09:02] <imbrandon_>  /etc/init.d/kdm restart
[09:02] <imbrandon_> doh
[09:02] <imbrandon_> brb
[09:03] <aftertaf> hmmm
[09:03] <aftertaf> regular kde :/
[09:04] <chavo> aftertaf, you gotta start compiz
[09:04] <chavo> compiz --replace gconf & gnome-window-decorator
[09:04] <taz_> k im new to this apt-get. apt-get is the kubuntu's repository correct?
[09:04] <aftertaf> gnome?
[09:04] <imbrandon_> kk back
[09:04] <aftertaf> even wit' kde?
[09:04] <imbrandon_> fonts small as hell but i'll fix my res later
[09:04] <chavo> I'll tell you how to start it automatically in a sec
[09:04] <chavo> yes the kde-window-decorator doesn't work
[09:04] <aftertaf> argh
[09:05] <kubuntite> hello all
[09:05] <geotsai> hi
[09:05] <imbrandon_> compiz.real: No GLXFBConfig for default depth, this isn't going to work.
[09:05] <imbrandon_> compiz.real: Failed to manage screen: 0
[09:05] <imbrandon_> compiz.real: No managable screens found on display :0.0
[09:05] <aftertaf> argh
[09:05] <aftertaf> argh
[09:05] <aftertaf> argh
[09:05] <aftertaf> it worked!!!
[09:05] <chavo> oh no!
[09:05] <aftertaf> argh :)
[09:05] <chavo> aftertaf, so it worked for you?
[09:05] <aftertaf> seasickness!
[09:05] <chavo> lol
[09:06] <nysosym> any news about edgy? :D
[09:06] <aftertaf> can i get ti to work with enlightenment ???? :)
[09:06] <imbrandon_> not for me, infact i have no window borders right ow
[09:06] <imbrandon_> now*
[09:06] <aftertaf> imbrandon, i had that, then they appeared like magic
[09:06] <chavo> imbrandon_, you can just run kwin to get your kde borders back for now
[09:06] <aftertaf> so, now what? :)
[09:07] <imbrandon_> kk what about the error
[09:07] <kubuntite> I'm gonna upgrade to dapper from breezy... but I dont quite understand how to manage repositories in Adept... how do I edit it and actually get it to keep the changes, cause whenever I change references to "breezy" to "dapper" it changes back
[09:07] <aftertaf> and if i then close the terminal, the wm disappears :/
[09:07] <alex__> okay so i just did the gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly and now amarok crashes! any fixes?
[09:07] <taz_> found my apt-get issue here
[09:07] <taz_> says line commented out by installer because it failed to verify
[09:07] <imbrandon_> alex__, amarok uses xine
[09:08] <taz_> who would have known having this puter offline during install would mean apt-get failuer
[09:08] <taz_> later
[09:08] <imbrandon_> chavo, ??
[09:08] <chavo> aftertaf, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15290 paste that into a text editor and save it as ~/.kde/Autostart/compiz.desktop
[09:09] <chavo> then it'll run on startup
[09:09] <kubuntite> could someone help me with upgrading from 5.10
[09:09] <imbrandon_> !upgrade
[09:09] <ubotu> Upgrading to Ubuntu 5.10 breezy -> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgrade. Upgrading to Ubuntu 6.06 Dapper -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperUpgrades . Note: gksudo "update-manager -d" always updates to the latest development verison: (eft when its open)
[09:09] <kubuntite> ty
[09:10] <chavo> imbrandon not sure what's going on there
[09:10] <imbrandon_> doh
[09:10] <chavo> pastebin your xorg.conf
[09:12] <imbrandon_> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/766823
[09:13] <psi_force> hi all, need some help setting up dual monitor view for x.org on my laptop. laptop panel can display 1400x1050, external display can only display 1280x1024. When I try I get a 1400x1050 viewport on the lower res screen
[09:14] <bulltitan> hey
[09:14] <bulltitan> ;)
[09:14] <bulltitan> if i install gxine from xine's website will it screw my codecs?
[09:15] <chavo> bulltitan, it shouldn't it's just a frontend for xine
[09:15] <bulltitan> i see the thing is that with the default xine from the repos i can't read srt subtitles
[09:15] <bulltitan> they just don't show up
[09:16] <bulltitan> and ai hav alll the codecs i could get from universe, multiverse, etc
[09:16] <chavo> imbrandon try adding this to the bottom of your xorg.conf http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15292
[09:16] <bulltitan> also w32codecs
[09:17] <bulltitan> if any of you have any idea about this please!!!!
[09:18] <chavo> bulltitan, win32codecs isn't in universe or multiverse
[09:18] <bulltitan> i had the same problem with kaffeine
[09:18] <chavo> bulltitan, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[09:18] <chavo> find the Windows Codecs section
[09:19] <bulltitan> i know that url i recomended it yesterday :P but yesterday i was using kubuntu,... today i'm using ubuntu
[09:19] <imbrandon_> kk chavo brb restarting x again
[09:19] <chavo> bulltitan, windows codecs is the same for either
[09:20] <neuron_> chavo, which should i install? kubuntu or ubuntu?
[09:20] <chavo> neuron_, do you prefer kde or gnome?
[09:20] <neuron_> well, kubuntu then :D
[09:20] <grasshopper> hi
[09:20] <bulltitan> i like both,... but this subtitle thing is killing me :P
[09:20] <chavo> :)
[09:21] <grasshopper> where do i download kubuntu iso?
[09:21] <geotsai> http://www.kubuntu.org/download.php
[09:21] <grasshopper> geotsai, thx buddy
[09:22] <grasshopper> i was looking under ubuntu, silly me...
[09:22] <geotsai> np
[09:22] <bulltitan> maybe i should get mplayer it is said to be complicated to configure but,.. :( last chance to get subs
[09:22] <geotsai> subs for what?
[09:22] <bulltitan> well i have tons of japanese movies
[09:22] <geotsai> ohicic
[09:22] <bulltitan> i need thos subtitles!
[09:23] <bulltitan> those i mean
[09:23] <katakombi> you got mplayer-fonts package installed?
[09:23] <grasshopper> by the way Guys, is Kubuntu sweet? some people say kde is not quite up there as ubuntu focus on gnome
[09:23] <PyroMithrandir> yeah, Kubuntu is sweet, grasshopper
[09:23] <chavo> grasshopper, I love it
[09:23] <bulltitan> i don't have mplayer installed at all
[09:23] <grasshopper> thx, Guys
[09:23] <bulltitan> just totem-xine and gxine
[09:24] <katakombi> its definately the kde distro that sucks lesser than all the others
[09:24] <grasshopper> PyroMithrandir, you're not just saying it? ; )
[09:24] <PyroMithrandir> nah, man, it's sweet
[09:24] <PyroMithrandir> I use it
[09:24] <PyroMithrandir> I love it
[09:24] <grasshopper> ; )
[09:24] <bulltitan> this time after upgrading kade to latest i have to agree
[09:25] <katakombi> the kde part is great, there are other issues, though
[09:25] <grasshopper> katakombi, oh...'coz i heard others say if you want kde then better go to someone who focus on kde like Mepis or SuSE
[09:25] <bulltitan> what i just don't get is why totem plays my movies all pixelated and gxine not
[09:25] <grasshopper> katakombi, or knoppix, etc
[09:25] <bulltitan> even working with the same codecs
[09:26] <katakombi> grasshopper, kubuntu is really free. and i am heavily convinced that it will improve.
[09:26] <Melchiorre> grasshopper: Kubuntu has a fairly massive team working on the KDE side of things, it's not like it's just thrown in for fun ;)
[09:27] <katakombi> therefore suse, mepis and so on aren't a real alternative in my opinion
[09:27] <chavo> the first kubuntu release was a little shaky but things are good now
[09:27] <grasshopper> Melchiorre, i know we hear that, but why does that remain the lingering impression nonetheless, that it is just thrown in for fun
[09:27] <Melchiorre> can't answer that sorry...
[09:27] <grasshopper> katakombi, what are the other issues, if you don't mind saying for exampl;e. Are they other than Ubuntu?
[09:28] <katakombi> grasshopper, ubuntu is the future of linux just as linux is the future of OS (speaking in long terms)
[09:28] <bulltitan> :(
[09:28] <bulltitan> i better get those movies in english then
[09:28] <katakombi> i didn't try ubuntu
[09:28] <katakombi> so I cannot tell
[09:29] <grasshopper> katakombi, i agree : ) but i notice you said ubuntu not kubuntu. You don't make a disticntion?
[09:29] <katakombi> i meant *ubuntu (=xubuntu, ubuntu, kubuntu)
[09:29] <katakombi> the core is the same
[09:29] <grasshopper> yea, i thought you did
[09:29] <bulltitan> ho i tryed xubuntu too
[09:29] <Melchiorre> bulltitan: I came in halfway through your problem, but are you trying to play DVD's or some other movie files?
[09:29] <bulltitan> it was really good too
[09:30] <grasshopper> well, i gonna make a ubuntu / kubuntu dual boot, then we'll see : )
[09:30] <katakombi> grasshopper: these are my issues: printing (CUPS), acpi, suspend/resume
[09:30] <bulltitan> just avi files with subs Melchiorre
[09:30] <Melchiorre> ahh, okay
[09:30] <bulltitan> more over xvid files, ac3 sound and srt subs
[09:31] <katakombi> grasshopper: furthermore some apps aren't matured yet (for example adept)
[09:31] <grasshopper> katakombi, ah, well cups is a universal Ubuntu issue at the moment it seems. There was lots of talk over at #ubuntu about it too, if thats reassuring at all in a strange way. The other issues i don't know
[09:31] <pd273> Hi all, I am not sure if this is the right channel to ask this question, but in the consoles when I go through <ctrl> + <alt> 1, I have white fonts, how can I change it to some other color
[09:31] <imbrandon_> ok chavo that worked
[09:31] <imbrandon_> chavo, whats the autostart thing ?
[09:32] <Melchiorre> pd273: are you using konsole?
[09:32] <chavo> imbrandon save this -> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15291 as ~/.kde/Autostart/compiz.desktop
[09:33] <imbrandon_> kk thanks
[09:33] <pd273> Melchiorre: IHi all, I am not sure if this is the right channel to ask this question, but in the consoles when I go through <ctrl> + <alt> 1, I have white fonts, how can I change it to some other color need to change in the <Ctrl> + <alt> + F1
[09:33] <pd273> console
[09:33] <chavo> no problem
[09:33] <pd273> I tried it in konsole it is working
[09:33] <grasshopper> katakombi, as long as the core apps work, i.e browsing, email, Office-suite, multimedia(dvd/cd/radio). Those are my primary concerns
[09:34] <gan|y|med> hallo
[09:34] <grasshopper> gan|y|med, Hi
[09:35] <grasshopper> gan|y|med, wie gehts?
[09:35] <aftertaf> how do you zoom in/out n stuff?
[09:35] <chavo> aftertaf, did you install gset-compiz?
[09:35] <gan|y|med> i have a dependency problem with opera 8.54 or 9.0 beta (xlibs and xlibg). i have to use --force-all for install, bit this breaks my apt database meaning i have to deinstall before updating an reinstall again). any ideas?
[09:35] <gan|y|med> grasshopper: gut, und dir?
[09:36] <grasshopper> gan|y|med, ja geil
[09:36] <aftertaf> chavo, yup
[09:36] <grasshopper> gan|y|med, you have to get the right Opera download
[09:36] <chavo> you can use that to configure or see what the key combos are
[09:36] <neuron_> if i`ll install dapper, is there any way of keeping my settings, hotkeys, etc?
[09:36] <grasshopper> gan|y|med, get the etch version it worked for me
[09:37] <kombrisn> neuron_ just keep care on your ~/.kde subdirectory
[09:37] <neuron_> oh, ty :P
[09:37] <grasshopper> gan|y|med, it works with qt instead of xlibs or something.
[09:37] <chavo> I have it set to shift-mouse3 but I don't remember if that's default
[09:37] <gan|y|med> grasshopper: geil?
[09:38] <grasshopper> gan|y|med, also ask in #opera i got help there
[09:38] <grasshopper> gan|y|med, ja, geil=gut ne?
[09:38] <chavo> gan|y|med, someone else fixed this problem earlier tonight
[09:38] <kombrisn>  OT: how to register my nick on freenode?
[09:38] <gan|y|med> grasshopper: i have tried etch qt shared and static (8.54), and etch qt shared (9.0beta) respectively. always the same error about xlibs
[09:38] <chavo> I think it invloved installing xlibs from the breezy repos
[09:38] <gan|y|med> ok
[09:39] <aftertaf> chavo, i pasted your text to autostart/compiz.desktop..... so it'll run auto on each kde run?
[09:39] <chavo> yes
[09:39] <aftertaf> yay
[09:39] <aftertaf> and for enlightenment? :P
[09:39] <grasshopper> gan|y|med, ai! i have qt shared and no problems now, so i'm stumped
[09:39] <gan|y|med> chavo: tonight? :). where i am it is morning... i love the net
[09:39] <chavo> .kde/Autostart
[09:39] <taz_> how do I get kernel source/headers
[09:39] <chavo> gan|y|med, well it's 3:39 am here
[09:39] <crimsun> taz_: sudo apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[09:40] <grasshopper> the point is someone successfully installed xlibs from breezy repos in dapper?
[09:40] <gan|y|med> chavo: just out of interest... where are you? (part of the world, not your address :)
[09:41] <chavo> florida usa
[09:41] <grasshopper> chavo: i want your exact address, lol : )
[09:41] <Melchiorre> pd273: Check out this thread, and see if it helps http://forums.macosxhints.com/archive/index.php/t-1763.html
[09:41] <chavo> 1313 mockinbird lane
[09:41] <taz_> Thanks crimsun
[09:41] <grasshopper> lol @ chavo
[09:42] <pd273> Melchiorre: I will look at it, thankyou
[09:42] <Melchiorre> np
[09:42] <gan|y|med> chavo: last question: how is the weather?
[09:42] <grasshopper> gan|y|med, Also xlibs von breezy repos nach dapper rueberbringen, ai...
[09:42] <chavo> hot
[09:42] <neuron_> chavo, whats your local hour?
[09:42] <grasshopper> i am GMT zone
[09:42] <chavo> 3:42
[09:43] <grasshopper> 8:43
[09:43] <bulltitan> an idea
[09:43] <neuron_> pm, right?
[09:43] <bulltitan> i know all the rules of asking questions here
[09:43] <chavo> no am, I don't sleep
[09:43] <bulltitan> and all that
[09:43] <bulltitan> but
[09:43] <neuron_> hehe :D
[09:43] <bulltitan> ubuntu channel gives absolutely no help to nothing
[09:43] <grasshopper> gan|y|med, nah? wassenloss?
[09:43] <neuron_> chavo, will i find you here at about 1pm ?
[09:43] <chavo> neuron_, possibly
[09:44] <bulltitan> so chavo as you where the only one to answer my call you get the candy :P
[09:44] <grasshopper> gan|y|med, nicht geil wie sexy oder schwull, ja?
[09:44] <neuron_> okay, i`ll install dapper by then, and i`ll come here for help in installing xgl
[09:44] <gan|y|med> sorry trying to install xlibs
[09:44] <neuron_> do you have a how-to or something i could folow?
[09:45] <chavo> no I used info from the many how-tos out there
[09:45] <chavo> there's too many of them and quite a few are outdated
[09:45] <neuron_> ph, okay, i hope i`ll find you here then :D
[09:45] <gan|y|med> grasshopper: what about closing the geil-topic... i wouldn't use the word... no good style...
[09:46] <chavo> I should write a how-to but that'll just add to the confusion
[09:46] <gan|y|med> ok, i got it. opera installed aaaannnnddd
[09:46] <gan|y|med> works
[09:46] <grasshopper> gan|y|med, sure, my german colloquiallism is a bit rusty. I always thought it was a cool style. I must be getting old
[09:47] <grasshopper> gan|y|med, Bravo. tell me how you did it
[09:47] <gan|y|med> grasshopper: used to be in the 90ies. sorry, now it is prevalent in a certain kind of mail
[09:48] <gan|y|med> you install the xlibs transitional package from breezy. it has no dependencies itself
[09:48] <grasshopper> gan|y|med, yea, i lived in Berlin 1989, so it shows
[09:48] <grasshopper> gan|y|med, how do you do that from dapper?
[09:49] <gan|y|med> grasshopper: download the xlibs package from packages.ubuntu.com and do dpkg -i xlibs...deb
[09:49] <gan|y|med> installs just fine
[09:50] <grasshopper> gan|y|med, heh, vielen dank, ich haette es mir nicht so leight vorgestellt
[09:50] <grasshopper> *leicht
[09:50] <psi_force> hi all, how do I set kde to run a command when I login (eg like the startup folders in windows)
[09:50] <gan|y|med> no prob. thx for the hint
[09:50] <Hobbsee> psi_force: what kind of command?
[09:50] <Hobbsee> symlink in ~.kde/Autostart
[09:50] <grasshopper> gan|y|med, but why qt shared works here and not with you is curious
[09:51] <gan|y|med> no,no. now qt shared is working
[09:51] <grasshopper> gan|y|med, but Opera 9 rocks
[09:51] <gan|y|med> well, i don't like that it's still beta
[09:51] <psi_force> Hobbsee: console script... basically runs xrandr on certain conditions
[09:52] <grasshopper> gan|y|med, yea well time...crashes here sometimes but seldom and works just the same
[09:52] <Hobbsee> psi_force: i assume you can still symlink it, or stick the script in ~.kde/Autostart, or the global autostart folder
[09:52] <gan|y|med> but i'll check it out... don't like that they keep putting more and more stuff in there...
[09:52] <gan|y|med> we'll see. thx, have to go and study russian now :)
[09:52] <grasshopper> gan|y|med, its fast and integrated
[09:52] <grasshopper> gan|y|med, hahaha nostrovia!
[09:52] <gan|y|med> exactly
[09:52] <gan|y|med> cu
[09:53] <grasshopper> gan|y|med, i hope i  didn't say anothe rbad word
[09:53] <grasshopper> bye
[09:54] <aftertaf> back to standard 2d enlightenment for now ... :)
[09:57] <Melchiorre> is the: "** (process:6512): CRITICAL **: egg_desktop_entries_add_group: assertion `egg_desktop_entries_lookup_group (entries, group_name) == NULL' failed" Error a problem? it seems to come up a lot when I'm installing / removing stuff...
[09:57] <aftertaf> i think its a ne way of saying, installation worked...
[09:57] <aftertaf> i get it all the time and things just work(tm) still
[09:58] <Melchiorre> good :)
[10:09] <CellarDoor> Hello all... I've been trying to upgrade from 5.10 to 6.06 but I think my sources.list isn't what it should be
[10:09] <aftertaf> CellarDoor, paste it to pastebin and well see
[10:09] <aftertaf> CellarDoor, or, change all 'breezy' to 'dapper'
[10:10] <CellarDoor> ok, I've never used the pastebin though
[10:10] <aftertaf> can you surf to google?
[10:10] <CellarDoor> :P
[10:10] <CellarDoor> yes
[10:11] <aftertaf> if so, then you're qualified to pastebin ;P
[10:12] <CellarDoor> ok I've pasted it to the pastebin - http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/766877
[10:12] <CellarDoor> Its a bit of a mess I know
[10:13] <CellarDoor> During doing a distro upgrade apt is not finding stuff
[10:13] <aftertaf> ill check
[10:13] <CellarDoor> thanks
[10:17] <aftertaf> CellarDoor, repalce with this: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/766890
[10:17] <weedar> What is "the" KDE ftp-client? Any reccommendations? :)
[10:17] <aftertaf> kbear?
[10:17] <joshuafr> hi all
[10:17] <CellarDoor> okies thanks aftertaf
[10:18] <rob> weedar, use Konqueror
[10:18] <_dave> how can i keep my grub menu.lst changes kept after each kernal has been added to my system?
[10:18] <CellarDoor> aftertaf: replace everything with that ?
[10:18] <aftertaf> CellarDoor, yep. or my sources.list: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/766892
[10:19] <aftertaf> _dave, dont modify the kernels between the automagic bit
[10:19] <weedar> aftertaf: I seem to remember Kbear _always_ crashing on me :/
[10:19] <aftertaf> _dave, what did you modify?
[10:19] <weedar> Rob, also for non-anonymous accounts?
[10:19] <CellarDoor> aftertaf: ok
[10:19] <aftertaf> weedar, filezilla :] 
[10:19] <rob> weedar, should work fine
[10:19] <weedar> not really KDElicious, but it is a decent ftp-client..Thanks for the suggestion aftertaf
[10:19] <aftertaf> _dave, you can modify the defoptions so that it will add them to new kernels.
[10:19] <rob> kbear will work too, its up to you which you prefer
[10:20] <aftertaf> weedar, not kdelicious. but a damn fine slice of cherry pie in any book :] 
[10:20] <weedar> mmm, pie....
[10:20] <aftertaf> :)
[10:20] <CellarDoor> ok, attempting distro upgrade again
[10:20] <_dave> aftertaf: i have a w2k HD setup so i can duel boot and have just added FreeBSD on as well (but not yet added to the menu.lst yet
[10:20] <aftertaf> CellarDoor, apt-get update? does it work?
[10:21] <aftertaf> ok. then you can add it before the automagic bit... like windows boot option
[10:21] <aftertaf> argh windows!
[10:21] <rob> googling KDELicious brings up some odd links (esp the first one)
[10:21] <joshuafr> I have a problem with compiz under Dapper and nvidia-ubuntu drivers, Xgl reset when I close a window and I cannot have a good conf for my keyboard. An idea?
[10:21] <aftertaf> Female
[10:21] <aftertaf>  14 years old
[10:21] <aftertaf>   "..YoU kNoW yOu WaNnA.."
[10:21] <aftertaf> 
[10:22] <aftertaf> lol
[10:22] <chavo> konqueror works for simple ftp stuff
[10:22] <rob> yep
[10:22] <CellarDoor> aftertaf: It seems to be working ok now
[10:22] <_dave> aftertaf: Ya i know but .... I'm a bit of a noob with grub so explain futher please
[10:22] <aftertaf> http://www.kdelicious.com/
[10:22] <aftertaf> loooool
[10:22] <aftertaf> _dave, hang on a sec.
[10:22] <rob> aftertaf, shockwave?
[10:23] <chavo> ooh Les Biscuits!!!!!
[10:23] <Cellar|bbs> bbs
[10:23] <rob> bah, just tell me what it is
[10:23] <aftertaf> # Put static boot stanzas before and/or after AUTOMAGIC KERNEL LIST
[10:23] <aftertaf> ### BEGIN AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST
[10:23] <aftertaf> _dave, look for that section and put your other things before it
[10:24] <skon> does anyone know which file i backup for kontact mail account settings?
[10:24] <aftertaf> rob, dont work for you? hmm konqueror gave me animated buns
[10:24] <_dave> Okay did do some reading and saw an reference to a Kopt that is supposed to keep user defined things there
[10:24] <_dave> but i was scratching my head over multi lines
[10:24] <rob> aftertaf, I don't have flash/shockwave installed
[10:24] <aftertaf> argh
[10:25] <aftertaf> animated buns
[10:25] <aftertaf> :] ] ] 
[10:25] <rob> woman buns, or hot cross ones?///////
[10:25] <aftertaf> looooooooooooooool
[10:25] <chavo> skon, look in ~/.kde/share/config/kamilrc
[10:25] <aftertaf> i knew that would get you
[10:25] <chavo> kmailrc
[10:25] <aftertaf> hot cross ones
[10:25] <skon> chavo - yeah i copied that one across
[10:25] <Hobbsee> rob: ping?
[10:26] <rob> Hobbsee, pong
[10:26] <chavo> skon, also ~/.kde/share/apps/kmail
[10:26] <rob> whats up?
[10:26] <azathoth> i'm trying to install kxdocker 1.1.4a from source and it's telling me it can't find the X includes. what do i need to install? build-essentials is already there
[10:26] <Hobbsee> rob: PM?
[10:26] <rob> sure
[10:26] <Hobbsee> !xincludes
[10:26] <ubotu> When a program or configure script asks for "X includes", you should probably install the following packages: xlibs-dev   xlibs-static-dev   x-window-system-dev
[10:26] <chavo> you'll want that whole directory
[10:26] <azathoth> cool, thanks
[10:26] <skon> chavo: yeah i might have to try that instead of individual files - thanks
[10:26] <crimsun> oh wow
[10:26] <crimsun> erm, that needs to be updated.
[10:27] <crimsun> let's see, no more warty support, so we can kill the monolithic b-ds
[10:27] <chavo> skon, it might be easier to just tar up, or cp  your whole .kde
[10:27] <makko_> does this "deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~jbailey/snapshot/bzr/ ./" REPO work for any of you?
[10:28] <weedar> Hm, sun-java5-doc tells me to download the doc myself. But then how will the package know when it is really installed?
[10:28] <skon> chavo: i agree : )
[10:28] <_dave> aftertaf: thanks did read about the Kopt but was thinking okay for 1line but multi-lines??  many thanks for the pointer :)
[10:28] <aftertaf> :)
[10:28] <aftertaf> no pb _dave
[10:28] <crimsun> ubotu: xincludes =~ s/xlibs-dev   xlibs-static-dev   x-window-system-dev/libx11-dev  libxext-dev  libxinerama-dev/g
[10:28] <ubotu> crimsun: OK
[10:34] <_dave> aftertaf: just been read the menu.lst, bit different from last time i read it -)  what is the alternative declaration do?
[10:35] <aftertaf> _dave, not entirely sure, the bits i know are from googling ..... :/
[10:35] <_dave> aftertaf: eg should update-grub create alternative automagic boot options <- from aa line in the menu.lst
[10:35] <aftertaf> i think so
[10:36] <grasshopper> Guys! just burning kubuntu to cd now. Looking forward to install
[10:36] <aftertaf> yay
[10:36] <m-onkey> grasshopper, gl
[10:36] <_dave> anyone else know what alternative in the grub menu.lst does??
[10:36] <katakombi> grasshopper: have fun!
[10:37] <grasshopper> I was just wondering is kubuntu really a word or is it ubuntu with kde putting its 'K' in front of it like it does with everything else?
[10:37] <grasshopper> thx Guys!
[10:37] <katakombi> grasshopper: ubuntu is the word, k is the childish attitude of kde developers to always prepend  a 'k'
[10:39] <grasshopper> katakombi, lol, i know, that is so funny of 'em and as you say childish
[10:39] <chavo> kubuntu is actually a word
[10:39] <grasshopper> chavo: common.... ; )
[10:40] <katakombi> chavo might be right. Perhaps by chance...
[10:40] <grasshopper> ubuntu is a word; you can feel that is true. What a coincidence that the language would also have a word called kubuntu
[10:40] <grasshopper> too convenient a coincidence i would say
[10:41] <katakombi> you speak Zulu?
[10:41] <grasshopper> hehe
[10:41] <grasshopper> i hardly speak linux and only some english ;)
[10:42] <alex__> what's "Broken Pipe"?
[10:42] <katakombi> grasshopper: if you want to format your partitions with reiserfs you should use the alternative install cd
[10:42] <tuxcicles> there are all kinda stupid distro names out there, i dont know why
[10:43] <katakombi> i tried the live cd first, nbut no reiserfs :(
[10:43] <grasshopper> katakombi, now you say...i've got the desktop iso
[10:43] <katakombi> that's murphys law
[10:43] <makko_> does this "deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~jbailey/snapshot/bzr/ ./" REPO work for any of you?
[10:43] <katakombi> besides the desktop iso boots terribly slow
[10:43] <tuxcicles> why couldn't they name them somthn cool like orgasm-os
[10:44] <alex__> I installed a chess game from adept; started up; got a message saying "broken pipe" and it closes.
[10:44] <grasshopper> katakombi, now all the excuses start coming already...hehe ; )
[10:44] <alex__> Any fixes to my issue ^?
[10:45] <katakombi> what excuses?
[10:45] <dark_light> alex__: i am not sure, but read it http://www.merlin.ac.uk/user_guide/preface/node125.html
[10:45] <grasshopper> preempting the slowness and issues with partitions i might now encounter?
[10:45] <dark_light> alex__: (i searched for broken pipe)
[10:45] <dark_light> alex__: it may be a bug
[10:46] <grasshopper> katakombi, i'm just gonna go and give it a go now - see what happens
[10:46] <grasshopper> katakombi,
[10:46] <grasshopper> i have 160gb hd with 40gb dedicated to ubuntu, just gonna add kubuntu; shouldn't be so hard
[10:47] <katakombi> no, i dont think so
[10:47] <alex__> thanks
[10:48] <_dave> just to change the topic here - emoticons that you see in emails are they univeral ?? like a wink in kmail is a wink in thunderbird is a wink in ....  or am i wrong on this?
[10:48] <alex__> dark_light: Just googled for that website? thanks anyhow.
[10:48] <Hobbsee> alex__: try installing it with apt-get - and then pastebin the error
[10:48] <alex__> Hobbsee: Thanks; Will do.
[10:49] <_dave> also how do you (can it be done) with kmail to have emoticons that you can pick from like from some web sites?
[10:51] <BuZzY_> hello i have a phpBB2 forum installed on a server and want to export only the structure (i.e the sections and messages) whithout the theme configurations..how can i do that?i(i have phpmyadmin
[10:52] <kujeger_work> I can't move the applets on the taskbar around even though it's not locked. Any idea? I can do it back home where I had a clean install, but not here where I dist-upgraded. Worked before the upgrade too.
[10:53] <kujeger_work> basically it seems to be permanently locked regardless of wheter I click lock or unlock panels
[10:53] <chavo> kujeger_work, some applets/icons will move with middle click
[10:54] <chavo> kujeger_work, right click panel -> Configure Pnael -> Appearance -> Advanced Options button
[10:54] <_dave> hobbsee: know much about emoticons and email clients?  eg a wink in kmail is the same in all other email client programs?
[10:54] <Hobbsee> _dave: i dont know, but i doubt it...
[10:54] <chavo> _dave, they should be pretty much the same
[10:54] <kujeger_work> chavo: neither works
[10:55] <chavo> there's no standard or anything
[10:55] <kujeger_work> for example the taskbar applet is stuck in the middle with a max width of 200 pixels or so. A bit annoying to say the least
[10:56] <chavo> kujeger_work, did you open the panel configuration dialog?
[10:56] <kujeger_work> chavo: yes
[10:57] <chavo> kujeger_work, ok look at Apperance and then click the Advanced Options button
[10:57] <kujeger_work> chavo: done
[10:57] <_dave> hobbsee: So this could be dangerous then as i might do a humourous icon (like a wink) and you see it as a tongue poking out and take offence to the sentance
[10:57] <chavo> there should be a section called Applet Handles
[10:57] <kujeger_work> chavo: aha, thanks
[10:57] <chavo> np
[10:57] <Hobbsee> _dave: no, it will come out as plain text - ie, a wink means ;)
[10:58] <_dave> chavo: thought they would have been similar across all clients - think i here my mate google calling me on this...
[10:58] <Hobbsee> and most people will recognise ;)
[10:58] <chavo> like I said some applets can move without the handles, but not all of them
[10:59] <_dave> hobbsee: ya i use kmail and in an email i saw a devil copied it and it looked something like :;) can kmail have emoticons setup at all (ie get a selection of images to choose)?
[11:00] <chavo> _dave, kmail uses the same theme as kopete
[11:00] <Hobbsee> i'm not sure - i dont use kmail much
[11:00] <_dave> I've not used kopete so what the theme??
[11:02] <_dave> chavo: I've not used kopete so what is the theme? can you have it setup as icons and click/drag to the point in the message??
[11:02] <chavo> _dave, no the emoticons don't show up in the composer at all
[11:03] <chavo> _dave, I'm not sure how to change the emoticon theme for kmail
[11:03] <_dave> chavo this is my understanding just googling now and am going to read a bit so might have some answers....
[11:04] <chavo> cool
[11:08] <CellarDoor> I hope this distro upgrade doesn't hose my computer
[11:09] <apokryphos> CellarDoor: if you follow the upgrade instructions properly, everything should be ok
[11:09] <CellarDoor> fingers crossed then ;)
[11:09] <apokryphos> CellarDoor: how are you upgrading? Via dist-upgrade?
[11:10] <CellarDoor> yep
[11:10] <apokryphos> CellarDoor: you made sure that you have the appropriate metapackage installed first, right?
[11:10] <CellarDoor> metapackage ?
[11:10] <apokryphos> kubuntu-desktop, if you're on Kubuntu
[11:11] <apokryphos> what upgrade instructions are you following?
[11:13] <CellarDoor> I just updated my sources list
[11:13] <CellarDoor> and did a dist upgrade
[11:14] <CellarDoor> wouldn't I already have kubuntu desktop installed ?
[11:14] <apokryphos> CellarDoor: this is why it's important to follow the *upgrade instructions* if you're going to dist-upgrade
[11:14] <apokryphos> no, it certainly wouldn't be necessarily installed
[11:14] <apokryphos> CellarDoor: /msg ubotu faq
[11:15] <chavo> CellarDoor, not necissarily
[11:17] <roflcoptern> hi
[11:17] <CellarDoor> I did, I just didn't notice that
[11:17] <roflcoptern> i did a stupid thing.. i installed compiz and xgl... now i no longer have any accelerated 3d, even in the regular xserver
[11:17] <roflcoptern> any ideas?
[11:18] <CellarDoor> what if I install kubuntu-desktop after just to make sure ?
[11:18] <apokryphos> CellarDoor: well, apt requires it to perform the update successfully. You might not have problems, but almost *every* upgrade problem I've seen is because people didn't do that.
[11:18] <_dave> Chavo: it looks like you can add emoticons via the theme manager, i am now  doing a search on this to find out where to get said emoticons etc from
[11:19] <CellarDoor> well... its already well into it now...
[11:19] <apokryphos> CellarDoor: if your apt is still in the process of downloading, then I'd cancel it.
[11:19] <apokryphos> if it's installing, then you'll have to sit it through and hope for the best
[11:19] <CellarDoor> ok, cancelled
[11:20] <apokryphos> CellarDoor: ok, then change your sources.list back, install kubuntu-desktop, and then go for the upgrade, as linked to on the FAQ
[11:21] <chavo> _dave, I know you can use the Get New Stuff button in kopete to get new emoticon themes, and I know kmail uses the same themes. I just don't know how to change the theme that kmail uses
[11:22] <roflcoptern> guess not
[11:23] <chavo> roflcoptern, I'm not sure, need a little more info to figure it out
[11:23] <_dave> chavo: this is what i'm tring to find out. Dang i did have a blog that referred to the fact that you had emoticons setup then you have a button on kmail to access them if by default or via a menu.
[11:24] <roflcoptern> (WW) fglrx: No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:1:0:1) found
[11:24] <roflcoptern> hmm
[11:25] <chavo> roflcoptern, sorry don't know much about ati
[11:26] <roflcoptern> where does atp store its packages?
[11:26] <roflcoptern> apt
[11:26] <trevor> hi
[11:26] <chavo> roflcoptern, /var/cache/apt/archives
[11:27] <trevor> where is a good media player on here
[11:27] <chavo> trevor, amarok for audio, kaffeine for video
[11:28] <trevor> does any one know a good media player on here
[11:28] <trevor> ok thanks
[11:28] <trevor> i cant seem to get java working
[11:28] <chavo> !java
[11:28] <ubotu> To install Java/Sun Java see Java on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats and also see !javadebs
[11:29] <trevor> thanks
[11:36] <CellarDoor> uh... I dont seem to have a source for kubuntu-desktop
[11:36] <apokryphos> CellarDoor: what do you mean?
[11:36] <CellarDoor> cant find kubuntu-desktop
[11:37] <CellarDoor> no package
[11:37] <CellarDoor> do I have the name right ?
[11:38] <CellarDoor> seems rather strange
[11:38] <CellarDoor> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[11:39] <apokryphos> CellarDoor: you must not have the main repositories listed under sources.list
[11:39] <apokryphos> !sources.list
[11:39] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource.
[11:40] <_vladi_> hi guys, just installed, trying to setup mp3 support, i use synaptic and have enabled every repository able, but still cannot locate the libxine-extracodecs package
[11:41] <_vladi_> i also tried using 'sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs' and it cant find it either
[11:41] <_vladi_> with all of the extra repositories enabled
[11:42] <Ph3NiX> salut all
[11:42] <Ph3NiX> jai un souci
[11:43] <noiesmo> _vladi_, multiverse and universe required
[11:43] <_vladi_> yes, i know, i enabled them already
[11:43] <_vladi_> settings->repositories->everything is checked, including multiverse&universe
[11:43] <_vladi_> in synaptic package manager
[11:43] <noiesmo> did you update /refresh
[11:43] <_vladi_> yes
[11:44] <_vladi_> noiesmo: do you use synaptic?
[11:45] <noiesmo> _vladi_, no commandline and apt-get
[11:45] <IceCreamMatt> I dont know if anyone can help me but I changed my resolution and when I changed it back my login screen res is higher then my monitor so it moves around any ideas how to fix this?
[11:45] <noiesmo> _vladi_, but synaptic is gui for apt-get
[11:45] <_vladi_> noiesmo: yes exactly, so changing the repos in synaptic should not be a problem
[11:45] <noiesmo> _vladi_, are you on dapper
[11:45] <IceCreamMatt> yes
[11:46] <_vladi_> noiesmo: i just installed kubuntu 6.06 off the dvd
[11:46] <noiesmo> _vladi_, ok just check /etc/apt/sources.list to be sure and try type sudo apt-get update in termeinal also
[11:47] <xst> After I upgraded to dapper, I have no longer any sound in firefox. How can I fix this?
[11:47] <noiesmo> _vladi_, here http://packages.ubuntu.com/dapper/libs/libxine-extracodecs
[11:48] <_vladi_> noiesmo: i checked /etc/apt/sources.list, everything is uncommented. i did a manual sudo apt-get update and it still cant find it
[11:48] <noiesmo> _vladi_, you can download from here and then do sudo dpkg -i libxine-extracodecs in the same directory that you download it to
[11:48] <_vladi_> kk cool
[11:50] <_vladi_> when i do sudo install libxine-extracodecs it says..
[11:50] <_vladi_> "Package libxine-extracodecs is not available, but is referred to by another package. This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source"
[11:50] <Icomey> Has anyone here successfully gotten XGL and/or Compiz working on Dapper with ATI?
[11:51] <rraajj> Icomey: A happy XGL/Compiz + ATI user here. :D
[11:51] <tuxcicles> not with the new fglrx package, i had to go back to the previous version
[11:51] <Icomey> rraajj, willing to help me through it?
[11:51] <noiesmo> _vladi_, http://mirror.isp.net.au/ftp/pub/ubuntu/pool/multiverse/x/xine-extracodecs/libxine-extracodecs_1.1.1+ubuntu1-2_i386.deb
[11:51] <pd273> rraajj: nice
[11:51] <rraajj> Icomey: Sure. What's the problem?
[11:52] <Icomey> rraajj, or point me to a usable guide?
[11:52] <pd273> unfortunately fglrx does not work properly on my ATI 9200
[11:52] <Icomey> I'm lost on how to get it started.
[11:52] <rraajj> Icomey: Hmm. Let's see...
[11:52] <pd273> Icomey: what your graphics card
[11:52] <pd273> Icomey: card model
[11:52] <rraajj> Icomey: Here's a quick and easy guide: http://www.tectonic.co.za/view.php?id=916
[11:52] <noiesmo> _vladi_, did you get from ^^^
[11:55] <_vladi_> noiesmo: if i search for amarok, should i see the latest version available ? 1.4 cause i see 1.3.9 as the latest version
[11:55] <noiesmo> _vladi_, not sure sorry I'm running on my suse install at moment
[11:57] <noiesmo> _vladi_, I have 1.4 on suse :)
[11:57] <pd273> _vladi_: on dapper it is 1.3.9
[11:58] <pd273> _vladi_: I believe in Dapper version the latest version of amarok is 1.3.9
[11:58] <_vladi_> okay a friend figured out what the problem was, synaptic doesnt edit the sources.list file correctly
[11:58] <rraajj> Icomey: Sorry, got disconnected. Where were we?
[11:58] <_vladi_> so he told me to edit it manuallly and now i can find the libs and it works
[12:00] <pd273> I think the installation should have an option to ask the users if he/she wishes to include the universe/multiverse repos too
[12:00] <pd273> then one could avoid this repo problem everyone is having
[12:00] <_vladi_> noiesmo: i did check sources.list and everything was uncommented. my friend told me to add some stuff onto the first entry and it worked after that
[12:02] <rraajj> Icomey: Anyway, just follow the link I gave you. The contents'll guide you to it. :D
[12:02] <rraajj> Icomey: And remember to setup 3D acceleration properly first.
[12:02] <yoshu> grrr..
[12:03] <Icomey> Oh sorry.
[12:03] <Icomey> rraajj, How do I make sure I have that setup?
[12:04] <Icomey> fglrxinfo?
[12:05] <Icomey> Hm.. brb.
[12:05] <rraajj> Icomey: Yep. fglrxinfo
[12:05] <Icomey> $ fglrxinfo
[12:05] <Icomey> display: :0.0  screen: 0
[12:05] <Icomey> OpenGL vendor string: ATI Technologies Inc.
[12:05] <Icomey> OpenGL renderer string: RADEON 9600 Generic
[12:05] <Icomey> OpenGL version string: 2.0.5814 (8.25.18)
[12:05] <rraajj> Icomey: Making sure that the output produces "ATI...", not Mesa.
[12:05] <Icomey> As such?
[12:05] <rraajj> Icomey: Good.
[12:05] <rraajj> Icomey: Yep.
[12:05] <Icomey> Alright.
[12:06] <Icomey> Be right back then.
[12:06] <Healot> yo kubuntuans
[12:06] <rraajj> Okay.
[12:06] <judgen> howdy
[12:07] <Healot> Icomey: setting up 3D support for ati eh?
[12:07] <Icomey> rraajj, No effects... D:
[12:07] <donterror> i cant hear sound when i play music but i DO when i log into kubuntu,  some1 know the problem?
[12:08] <Healot> donterror: are you trying to play mp3/mpeg files or such?
[12:08] <rraajj> Icomey: Did you follow the steps in the link I gave you?
[12:08] <Healot> !mp3
[12:08] <ubotu> somebody said mp3 was a patented format; to enable mp3 capability see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[12:08] <Icomey> Yes, I did.
[12:08] <yoshu> nerds
[12:08] <pd273> donterror: which is the player you are using
[12:08] <Icomey> Made the .Xsession file and all.
[12:08] <Healot> geeks rather, yoshu
[12:08] <donterror> all the players dont work
[12:09] <pd273> donterror: are you trying to play MP3's
[12:09] <donterror> yes
[12:09] <judgen> donterror you have to install mpg321
[12:09] <rraajj> Did you make sure to change gnome-window-decorator to kde-window-decorator, and gnome-session to startkde ?
[12:09] <pd273> you should follow ubotu advice, follow https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[12:10] <donterror> ok thx il try
[12:11] <boor> 
[12:12] <Icomey> rraajj: It's working suddenly... kinda.
[12:12] <Healot> boor: can you talk in English, wo hen hao...
[12:12] <Healot> !zh
[12:12] <pd273> rraajj: nice
[12:12] <ubotu> For support in Chinese, please try the channel #ubuntu-cn
[12:13] <hdcool> hi all, i'm having a few probs i can't figure out... I've looked at fora, howto's, tried as i once did, and i can't get the 'nvidia' driver to work on xorg. It crashes with the allsaying error "screens found but none of them are usable". While trying to fix it I tried the 'nvidia-glx-config enable' thing, and that has rather strange consequences: My original configfile had nvidia entries (duh), and after running that script, the whole file was
[12:13] <hdcool>  nvidia script fill in ati stuff? :) Additional tips would be welcome, I can't find anything new about the thing.. tried everything and every step there is to it, X won't start
[12:13] <judgen> have you diabled dri?
[12:13] <hdcool> yep
[12:14] <judgen> not working at all, or just the 3d parts?
[12:14] <hdcool> it doesn't start
[12:15] <judgen> do yu ahve restricted-modules?
[12:15] <hdcool> strange thing is the nvidia module shows up in an lsmod
[12:15] <hdcool> yes
[12:15] <judgen> and nvidia-kernel-common?
[12:16] <hdcool> yep
[12:16] <Healot> because you have nv's hardware
[12:16] <Icomey> Okay.
[12:16] <hdcool> (EE) NVIDIA(0): Failed to initialize the NVIDIA graphics device!
[12:16] <Icomey> rraajj: Here's the deal
[12:16] <Icomey> It's working right now.
[12:16] <hdcool> some more blabla about aborting and unloading and then it ends with: (EE) Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration.
[12:16] <Icomey> rraajj: And it was a bit ago.
[12:17] <Icomey> rraajj: But, it suddenly crashed kinda, and went back to normal with no effects.
[12:17] <judgen> hdcool i had the same problem just a few minutes ago.. it seems that for me atleast the latest packages i updated to does not work at all with each other
[12:17] <judgen> hdcool have you also dont the pdate recently?
[12:17] <judgen> like today
[12:17] <hdcool> what update?
[12:17] <hdcool> i just made a clean install like half an hour ago :)
[12:18] <judgen> what xserver are you using?
[12:18] <judgen> xorg?
[12:18] <Icomey> rraajj: and when I start it up, it gives me an error saying: The process for the system protocol was killed.
[12:18] <hdcool> xorg7
[12:18] <judgen> ok, me too... i had big thoubles after installing compiz, ruined the entire system for me. im reinstalling as we speak
[12:18] <hdcool> it's been a while since i've been on linux, what's the package name to tell dpkg -l :)
[12:19] <Icomey> Any suggestions, rraajj?
[12:19] <hdcool> judgen: ii  xserver-xorg   7.0.0-0ubuntu4 the X.Org X server
[12:20] <hdcool> just can't believe my eyes when the nvidia-script puts ati stuff in my config file..
[12:20] <hdcool> it changes more than just the driver
[12:20] <scheuri> LVM-module of kernel seems not loaded during install with server-cd...modeprobe lvmcfg fails...anyone an idea what I am doing wrong?
[12:21] <rraajj> Icomey: Yes, that happened to me, too.
[12:21] <scheuri> and...hi all by the way...;)
[12:21] <Icomey> rraajj: Where you able to fix it?
[12:21] <rraajj> Icomey: I don't know if an upgrade to KDE 3.5.3 will do the job (I bet not).
[12:21] <rraajj> Icomey: Nope, but there are times that there's no error, but it would just crash.
[12:22] <Icomey> Hm...
[12:22] <rraajj> Icomey: At the moment, just to savor the full capabilities of XGL/Compiz, I'm using Gnome.
[12:22] <Icomey> So it works fine with Gnome?
[12:22] <rraajj> Icomey: There's a thread in the compiz.net forums about Kubuntu+ATI.
[12:22] <rraajj> Icomey: Yes, almost perfect. Well, kinda perfect.
[12:23] <Icomey> rraajj: Kinda perfect?
[12:23] <Healot> scheuri: the partitioner didn't load lvm mod?
[12:23] <yoshu> did someone say something too me?
[12:23] <scheuri> Healot: it seems so...lsmod does not show anything like that
[12:23] <rraajj> Icomey: Yes, it seems perfect so far, haven't found any bugs yet.
[12:23] <scheuri> Healot: md_cfg however is loaded...which is fine...but I need LVM as well
[12:23] <scheuri> Healot: modeprobe lvm_cfg fails
[12:23] <Icomey> Nice.
[12:24] <scheuri> modprobe...
[12:24] <Healot> scheuri: you don;t need to load the lvm mod
[12:24] <Icomey> rraajj: I will have to install Gnome...
[12:24] <Healot> the partitioner will do that for you... are you missing anything, scheuri?
[12:24] <scheuri> Healot: I dont? partionier has troubles with my SoftwarRAID-Partions which I want to use as LVM
[12:24] <rraajj> Icomey: If you really want to try XGL/Compiz, sure, that's a good plan. Hehe.
[12:24] <rraajj> Woops, he left.
[12:25] <scheuri> Healot: it tells me that the kernel can not be informed about changes (ERROR!!! Ignore and Cancel as options)
[12:25] <Healot> hm... strange, lookup for server-cd bug - > partitioner -> scheuri
[12:25] <Healot> i did my lvm fine with the alternate CD
[12:26] <scheuri> Healot: I have the feeling that the alternate may do that fine and server CD dont...but that would make NO sense at all
[12:26] <Icomey> So.
[12:26] <scheuri> Healot: servers tend to use LVM quite often actually
[12:26] <Icomey> rraajj: After installing Gnome, I just change the stuff in the .Xsession file?
[12:27] <Healot> scheuri: your hardware setting pleasE?
[12:27] <Icomey> rraajj: And of course installing compiz-gnome
[12:27] <Healot> mine consists of 3 SATA disks... work find
[12:27] <scheuri> Healot: 2 IBM Harddisks IDE 80 Gbyte...
[12:27] <Healot> IDE?
[12:27] <rraajj> Icomey: Yes, basically. :D
[12:27] <scheuri> aye, IDE...:)
[12:27] <Icomey> Cool.
[12:27] <Healot> hum... shouldn't be a prob, scheuri
[12:28] <scheuri> Healot: raid worked out fine so far (according to /proc/mdstat)
[12:28] <scheuri> Healot: I now assigned md0 to md2 as "use for lvm", but there starts the problem
[12:29] <Healot> scheuri: did you do the vm manually? or partitioner did that for you?
[12:30] <scheuri> Healot: I made the partitions by hand (with text based partitioner) and said "use for raid" and then configured raid with partinioer...that worked fine
[12:30] <Icomey> rraajj: Unfortunately, my download speeds max out at about 30 KB/sec, so it'll take me a while.
[12:30] <scheuri> Healot: I have now md0 to md2...which I want to use as LVM..
[12:30] <Healot> oh since you change the volume assignment, then the bs starts, scheuri?
[12:31] <scheuri> Healot: bs?
[12:31] <Healot> just ignore the bs, say "problem"
[12:31] <rraajj> Icomey: Lol. That's fine. Mine's capped at only 20 kbps, so you'll do better than I did. :D
[12:31] <Icomey> Yeah.
[12:32] <scheuri> Healot: well...I am able to assign the "use as lvm" (md0 to md2) but when then I say "configure LVM" in partitioner problems start
[12:32] <scheuri> Healot: oh god, my english...beg your pardon
[12:32] <Healot> so, you suspect the changes didn't apply? scheuri?
[12:32] <rraajj> Icomey: I really love the "cube", hehe. I wish XGL/Compiz would start to unravel it's wonders in the KDE world.
[12:33] <scheuri> Healot: they actually didnt...that is correct...then I did not found the lvm module so I assumed that might be the problem
[12:33] <Healot> the lvm didn't save your disk assignment... hum..
[12:33] <scheuri> Healot: but modprobe lvmcfg fails
[12:33] <Healot> hmm.. i haven't change anything yet...
[12:33] <Healot> oh it even fails to load
[12:33] <Chousuke> I tried XGl once. :/ It looked really nice, but was very unstable.
[12:33] <Healot> did you try restarting the setup? did partitioner see the changes?
[12:34] <scheuri> Healot: I restarted computer even...and it got all changes of raid and stuff...but LVM does not work
[12:34] <rraajj> Chousuke: Yes, it won't let me use KDE properly.
[12:34] <scheuri> Healot: aye, lvmcfg module fails to load
[12:34] <scheuri> Healot: actually...it seems non.existent
[12:34] <Icomey> rraajj: did you get a problem from hittin shift+backspace as well?
[12:34] <Chousuke> rraajj: It's unstable with Gnome too.
[12:34] <Healot> scheuri: during the partitioning stage?
[12:35] <scheuri> Healot: yes
[12:35] <scheuri> Healot: still in partitionin stage...used console 2
[12:35] <Healot> scheuri: no data yet on those partition? scheuri
[12:36] <Healot> can you delete all the volume previously created?
[12:36] <chavo> xgl works fine with kde here
[12:36] <scheuri> Healot: aye, not data existent on those partitions just yet
[12:36] <rraajj> Icomey: Yes.
[12:36] <scheuri> Healot: do yo mean lvm by volume? well, they are not created...I have only partitions (used fpr softwareraid) and three md-devices
[12:37] <rraajj> Chousuke: Yep, still unstable, although it's already deployable.
[12:37] <rraajj> Chousuke: Unlike in KDE, wherein it's really UNdeployable. Hahaha.
[12:37] <Chousuke> I wouldn't use it. :)
[12:37] <Healot> yeah, the previously created lvm volumes...
[12:38] <Healot> and re-created them, maybe?
[12:38] <scheuri> Healot: well...I wish I could...:)...there are none to delete and recreate...they are not made! I can assign to use the md-devices for "use for lvm" and then "configure lvm" in partitioner...but then error occurs
[12:39] <Healot> scheuri: try the alternateCD installer?
[12:39] <Healot> you might want to make sure it's really the partitioner bug...
[12:39] <scheuri> Healot: seems the last ressort...but I would have very much doubt if server-CD is not able to configure LVM
[12:40] <Healot> scheuri: maybe a bug in the isntaller partitioner
[12:40] <Healot> anyway just try the alternate CD
[12:40] <scheuri> Healot: possible...aye, I will...thanks
[12:40] <Healot> scheuri: any other partitions on your disk?
[12:41] <Healot> can you read it under different OSeS?
[12:41] <scheuri> Healot: only one on each disk used as swap
[12:41] <Healot> just to make sure your disk partition is aligned properly...
[12:42] <Healot> could be a problem in disk alignment, just investigate the possibilities
[12:42] <scheuri> Healot: according to mdstats everything should be fine
[12:42] <scheuri> Healot: sure enough...much appreciated..
[12:43] <donterror> there is no libxine-extracodecs package?
[12:43] <Icomey> Does anyone know if the XGL works with other window managers that use less resources themselves?
[12:43] <apokryphos> Icomey: it doesn't yet, no
[12:44] <apokryphos> donterror: eh?
[12:44] <FisherP> What is the general concensus, is Kubuntu upgrade from Breezy to Dapper relatively pain free?
[12:44] <Icomey> apokryphos: Thank you.
[12:44] <Healot> !repos
[12:44] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource.
[12:44] <apokryphos> FisherP: if you do it properly (following the guide), it is fully supported, yes.
[12:46] <FisherP> One question about upgrading while in KDE, it is better to issue the sudo commands while kdm is running, or should a "sudo /etc/init.cd.kdm stop" be issued before the plunge ??
[12:46] <chavo> actually xgl will work with any wm or desktop, compiz on the other hand is limited
[12:47] <Hobbsee> FisherP: either....for the upgrade
[12:47] <Hobbsee> you'll need to reboot once it's done anyway
[12:47] <apokryphos> Icomey: sorry, I thought you meant taking advantage of the cool effects
[12:47] <apokryphos> only compiz does it properly atm
[12:48] <FisherP> Thanks Hobbsee and apokryphos
[12:48] <azathoth> is there any way to restrict how much cpu access an application gets? like i want azureus to not go over 80% cpu... is there a way i can limit it?
[12:48] <apokryphos> I recommend using ktorrent
[12:49] <Icomey> apokryphos: I was talking about the cool effects, such as wobble, and cube
[12:49] <donterror> i already enabled universe and multiverse but still no package
[12:49] <azathoth> no, thats not the reason i want to stop it
[12:49] <azathoth> it's that when i'm re-adding an old torrent and it starts checking it, after 2 minutes at 100% cpu my pc freezes
[12:49] <azathoth> it doesn't in windows, but does in this...
[12:49] <katakombi> azathoth: you could change the priority the process is being run
[12:50] <katakombi> that doesnt correlate exactly to % cpu usage, however
[12:50] <katakombi> but it will prevent slowing down your system
[12:51] <katakombi> use the setting button with "run command" dlg
[12:51] <azathoth> hmmm... lemme try a few things, i was told that if the ram is full and at 100% funny things happen
[12:59] <Healot> azathoth: buggy torrent client... by the way, it is Java bytecode
[12:59] <bernier> hi, whenever i try to start adept, i get a message that the database is already in use. but there's nothing else using the database. i just rebooted my computer and get the same message
[01:01] <Healot> bernier: give us the exact output of the error
[01:02] <_vladi_> hi guys, can anyone point me to some documentation about installing the nvidia drivers for kubuntu 6.06?
[01:02] <bernier> another process is using the packaging system (probably some other adept aplication or apr-get or aptitude) please close the other application before using this one
[01:02] <katakombi> !nvidia
[01:02] <ubotu> well, nvidia is Help about installing the nVidia drivers on Ubuntu can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[01:03] <_vladi_> aha found it, it was under the "Hardware" section of the kubuntu desktop FAQ
[01:03] <imax> hello. ive postet this question in #ubuntu too. this is no spam ;) ive got a question. ive got an athelon 64 3500+ and i want to install the new kubuntu amd64 version. if i boot the desktop cd for installing he start and hangs on "mounting root file system...". can somebody help me? please
[01:13] <bernier> hi, when u right click on my desktop and choose "configure desktop" , my desktop background turn black, icons disapear and right click on desktop doesnt work anymore.... what's that?
[01:13] <chavo> bernier, that's nastiness
[01:14] <bernier> what do you mean
[01:14] <chavo> that's kdesktop crashing
[01:14] <Hobbsee> bernier: would you have kopete open at all?
[01:14] <bernier> well yes but not connected
[01:15] <bernier> and what should I do when kdesktop crashes? or how can i aboid this?
[01:18] <Tallia1Kubuntu> is there live distribution to try XGL that supports ATI graphic cards?
[01:18] <cfraz89> Tallia1Kubuntu: koraraa
[01:19] <drayen> cfraz89: know any good tuts to get it working on an installed version (with 64bit)?
[01:19] <cfraz89> i'll look
[01:19] <cfraz89> so xgl, 64 bit?
[01:20] <_vladi_> im also interested in xgl on kubuntu 6.06 with nvidia card
[01:20] <Tallia1Kubuntu> cfraz89: it's weird, i tried that one.. but the boot CD can't boot
[01:20] <Tallia1Kubuntu> .... it stops suddenly, with the CD light that keep flashing
[01:20] <cfraz89> Tallia1Kubuntu: thats wierd, what version was it?
[01:20] <_vladi_> Tallia1Kubuntu: do you have a laptop?
[01:20] <Tallia1Kubuntu> yes
[01:20] <_vladi_> lol that would be why
[01:20] <Tallia1Kubuntu> ?? why?
[01:20] <_vladi_> lots of laptops dont work properly with linux distros
[01:20] <cfraz89> mine does
[01:21] <Tallia1Kubuntu> mhhh... mine does
[01:21] <_vladi_> yea, some do, some dont
[01:21] <_vladi_> my friend cant run anything
[01:21] <_vladi_> none will boot
[01:21] <defrysk> laptop - ati -lcd seems to have bugs
[01:21] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i tried kubuntu live, kubuntu, knoppix..
[01:22] <bernier> how can i restart kdesktop which just crashed?
[01:22] <cfraz89> bernier: alt-f2
[01:23] <cfraz89> then type kdesktop <enter>
[01:23] <cfraz89> drayen: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=133427
[01:23] <Tallia1Kubuntu> :)
[01:23] <bernier> alt+f2 does nothing...
[01:23] <cfraz89> hmm
[01:23] <Tallia1Kubuntu> look in KDE shortcuts
[01:23] <cfraz89> oh yeah sorry, thats part of kdesktop
[01:23] <imax> Tallia1Kubuntu: is your kubuntu boot cd freezing while "mounting root file system..."?
[01:23] <chavo> bernier, you can run it from a konsole
[01:23] <cfraz89> go to menu
[01:23] <cfraz89> system
[01:23] <defrysk> killall kdesktop
[01:24] <cfraz89> konsole
[01:24] <defrysk> and then try again
[01:24] <bernier> what do i do once im in the console?
[01:24] <Tallia1Kubuntu> imax: no, it detect the bootable cdrom, it print something similar to a date in the first line.. than it freezes
[01:24] <imax> Tallia1Kubuntu: have you checked the md5 sums?
[01:25] <h3sp4wn> Anyone know how to get the menu bar back  on konversation
[01:25] <bernier> what do i do once im in the console?
[01:25] <imax> Tallia1Kubuntu: of iso and cd
[01:25] <chavo> h3sp4wn, ctrl-m
[01:25] <drayen> cfraz89: i think i tried that one - but i will give it another go :)
[01:25] <cfraz89> oh ok
[01:25] <cfraz89> good luck
[01:25] <h3sp4wn> chavo: Thanks alot
[01:26] <Tallia1Kubuntu> imax: nope
[01:26] <chavo> sure
[01:26] <bernier> here's what i did
[01:26] <bernier> root@bernier-desktop:~# killall kdesktop
[01:26] <bernier> kdesktop: no process killed
[01:26] <bernier> root@bernier-desktop:~# kdesktop
[01:26] <bernier> ERROR: KUniqueApplication: Can't determine DISPLAY. Aborting.
[01:26] <bernier> root@bernier-desktop:~#
[01:27] <h3sp4wn> You shouldn't run kdesktop as root
[01:27] <imax> Tallia1Kubuntu: maybe the iso is corrupted.
[01:27] <h3sp4wn> thats why is cannot determine $DISPLAY
[01:27] <Tallia1Kubuntu> imax: mhhh, yeah, i could try to download it again
[01:27] <bernier> ha ok
[01:27] <bernier> how do i logout from root?
[01:28] <defrysk> bernier, you are root ?
[01:28] <bernier> yes
[01:28] <defrysk> why ?
[01:28] <imax> Tallia1Kubuntu: yeah but first check your iso ;) if crc is correct then you dont need to download again ;)
[01:28] <bernier> i used sudo
[01:28] <defrysk> key in exit
[01:28] <Tallia1Kubuntu> imax: can you tell me how?
[01:28] <bernier> it says "logout" but ir seems like im still root
[01:29] <Tallia1Kubuntu> !crc
[01:29] <ubotu> Tallia1Kubuntu: No idea, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[01:29] <imax> open the iso with k3b. he will generate the crc of the file
[01:29] <defrysk> bernier, close the terminal and open a new one
[01:29] <imax> then check the crc of the orginal crc of the file on kubuntu site.
[01:29] <defrysk> and then run kdesktop
[01:30] <bernier> defrysk i got a big error message ill copy it on pastebin
[01:30] <defrysk> k
[01:30] <bernier> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/767142
[01:31] <bernier> byt my desktop is working again altough there's this erroe message
[01:31] <Hobbsee> bernier: you still having that kdesktop trouble?
[01:31] <bernier> no its fine now
[01:31] <Hobbsee> darn.
[01:31] <defrysk> Hobbsee, I think he should restart x , agree ?
[01:31] <Hobbsee> defrysk: no, i think he should run gdb kdesktop, and try to make it crash again, and pastebin the results.
[01:32] <defrysk> bernier, make it so :D
[01:32] <bernier> how? =P
[01:32] <bernier> what's gdb desktop
[01:33] <Tallia1Kubuntu> imax: can you tell me how check CRC?
[01:33] <Hobbsee> bernier: sudo apt-get install gdb
[01:33] <defrysk> gdb is a debugger
[01:33] <cfraz89> Tallia1Kubuntu: md5sum <filename>
[01:33] <Tallia1Kubuntu> :)
[01:33] <Icomey> rraajj: Thanks again for the help.
[01:34] <imax> cfraz89: you got it ;)
[01:34] <Icomey> rraajj: I got GNOME going now, and it's working wonderfully.
[01:34] <cfraz89> :)
[01:34] <defrysk> bernier, more info : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Debugger
[01:34] <bernier> ok
[01:35] <defrysk> wikipedia \o/
[01:35] <bernier> bernier@bernier-desktop:~$ sudo apt-get install gdb
[01:35] <bernier> E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.
[01:35] <Hobbsee> defrysk: bernier this stupid program wont crash when i'm running it under the debugger!
[01:36] <Hobbsee> bernier: run that command first then
[01:36] <bernier> that's what im doing ;)
[01:36] <imax> all: ive got strange problems! while booting(installing) Kubuntu 6.06 LTS my system freezes on "Mounting root filesystem...". somebody knows whats going wrong?
[01:36] <imax> kubuntu 6.06 amd64
[01:37] <bernier> apt-get -f install
[01:37] <Hobbsee> bernier: cool :)
[01:38] <bernier> it tells me to type that again
[01:38] <pd273> How can I force remove an application
[01:39] <pd273> I keep on getting an error E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[01:40] <bernier> ok gdb is installed
[01:41] <Hobbsee> bernier: okay, in a konsole, gdb kdesktop
[01:41] <Hobbsee> then type run
[01:45] <DeBert> Why is it that streaming embedded media still don't work proparly in Konqueror? Or is it me?
[01:50] <GNAM> server install + kubuntu desktop install = kubuntu install ?
[01:50] <achraf> hello,,, udev is causing me problems when i try to boot kubuntu from a diskless terminal, it gives: nfs: RPC remote call returned error 101... while loading
[01:50] <bernier> hobbsee
[01:50] <bernier> i got
[01:50] <bernier> Starting program: /usr/bin/kdesktop
[01:50] <bernier> (no debugging symbols found)
[01:51] <bernier> and the second line is repeated like 15 times
[01:51] <Hobbsee> yep, right - so it hasnt crashed yet?
[01:51] <bernier> then i have ---Type <return> to continue, or q <return> to quit---
[01:51] <Hobbsee> yep
[01:51] <bernier> not yet
[01:51] <bernier> ima try to make it crash
[01:51] <bernier> wait
[01:51] <Hobbsee> hehe
[01:53] <bernier> Grrrrr it doesn't want to crash
[01:53] <bernier> lol
[01:55] <Hobbsee> bernier: hehe
[01:55] <Hobbsee> exacftly!
[01:57] <bernier> it doesnt crash but i do have some error message being written in konsole
[01:57] <Hobbsee> bernier: want to pastebin it?
[01:58] <bernier> ok
[01:59] <bernier> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/767171
[01:59] <LeeJunFan> achraf: hrm, I've got a dapper server/client setup with diskless I didn't have any issues like that.
[02:02] <achraf> LeeJunFan: my server is not dapper, its debian  http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=191345
[02:03] <mhterres> morning
[02:03] <bernier> hello
[02:07] <LeeJunFan> achraf: what kernel/initrd are you using for your clients?
[02:07] <bernier> hobbsee is my paste bin alright?
[02:08] <Hobbsee> bernier: yeah, that stuff is okay...
[02:08] <bernier> ok
[02:08] <bernier> should i use the blackdown java or the real jre 5.0 from sun?
[02:08] <bernier> for frostwire?
[02:09] <achraf> LeeJunFan: kernel 2.6.15 compiled with root over NFS support and everything....when i disable udev, it gets me to login, so i assume its working(right?)
[02:10] <LeeJunFan> achraf: sounds like it. Now that you mention it I do seem to recall having an issue with udev when I set it up at home, during my testing phases.
[02:11] <LeeJunFan> Although it was months ago and I can't clearly remember exactly what the problem/solution was.
[02:13] <achraf> :) any clues would be very helpfull, i've spent the past two days doing nothing than googling and reading forums
[02:15] <LeeJunFan> achraf: did you read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DisklessUbuntuHowto ?
[02:17] <bernier> i'm having a problem, everytime I try to install java or blackdown java adept stays at "preparing installation of sun-java5-bin"
[02:17] <bernier> and it never changes
[02:18] <basquiat> hi, I just upgraded from breezy to dapper and now kmail is constantly crashing on startup (using IMAP), which can be avoided by deleting the IMAP cache, but only until closing kmail, which will lead to a crash again. found a few problem reports, but no solution yet. is there anything known I can do about it?
[02:18] <achraf> LeeJunFan: yes, but i already go the server up and running and serving other distros, + am not using dapper as the server, am just serving it to clients
[02:18] <LeeJunFan> achraf: yeah, I just wondered if there might be something in there on the client side different than what you've got.
[02:19] <achraf> LeeJunFan: nope :'(
[02:21] <LeeJunFan> achraf: are you using unionfs at all?
[02:22] <ctothej> ATI Driver installed a program called fireglcontrol. What is it? I need to reinstall drivers, so do i need to fully delete the other ones first?
[02:23] <achraf> LeeJunFan: i think no, as i dont even know what unionfs is :)
[02:25] <LeeJunFan> achraf: well, now I'm wondering if there haven't been some changes to udev since I last did updates on my setup. I've got about 25 workstations at a library here running dapper, I haven't done updates in a couple weeks.
[02:26] <LeeJunFan> achraf: perhaps I'll have problems when I do. I don't have anything special done to udev on mine, in fact I wrote that wiki entry.
[02:27] <achraf> LeeJunFan: can you explain to me this step,,, maybe i done something wrong here  make a net bootable initrd.img and copy it to your /tftpboot directory with mkinitramfs
[02:28] <LeeJunFan> achraf: if you compiled your kernel with nfs boot support you don't need that, that is for using kubuntu's included kernel.
[02:28] <LeeJunFan> achraf: that's also the way I did mine at the library (compiled my own).
[02:29] <LeeJunFan> achraf: is your root nfs writable? ie. udev can write to /dev and such?
[02:30] <LeeJunFan> achraf: well, actually it won't need that will it? :0 since it's a pseudo filesystem (ram). duh. hehe
[02:30] <achraf> LeeJunFan: /raid/new_office_root   192.168.10.0/24(rw,async,no_root_squash)
[02:31] <LeeJunFan> achraf: same as mine.
[02:33] <Tallia1Kubuntu> sorry? what happens if k3b was writing a CD and KDE crashed in the meantime?
[02:33] <LeeJunFan> achraf: I wonder if maybe some option in the kernel is missing udev needs. Maybe you could try with kubuntu kernel and see if that works.
[02:33] <Tallia1Kubuntu> is the writing failed?
[02:33] <Tallia1Kubuntu> my CD burner is still flashing though
[02:34] <LeeJunFan> Tallia1Kubuntu: it may be the process doing the actual writing is still going.
[02:34] <Tallia1Kubuntu> what should be the process?
[02:34] <achraf> LeeJunFan: am not sure i understand what you mean :$....do you mean i shall try with the original kernel before i recompile with the root nfs option?
[02:34] <Tallia1Kubuntu> so maybe i will not have to throw away the CD :)
[02:34] <LeeJunFan> Tallia1Kubuntu: but probably unlikely. check to see if cdrecord is running?
[02:35] <Tallia1Kubuntu> nope
[02:35] <Tallia1Kubuntu> somethign is using the CD thoug
[02:35] <Pitchshifter> maybe its just kde trying to read the cd while recovering from the crash
[02:36] <Tallia1Kubuntu> but if i press the eject button nothing happens
[02:37] <LeeJunFan> achraf: yeah, thats where the mkiniramfs comes in, copy the kubuntu vmlinuz to your tftp dir, and make an initrd that will boot from nfs with mkinitramfs, copy that initrd to your tftp dir, edit your pxe configs and let it try booting that.
[02:37] <h3sp4wn> You need the nfs to be mounted nolock in my experience (which is limited only tried it once to check I could still remember how to do it)
[02:38] <LeeJunFan> h3sp4wn: yeah, w/o the nolock it will hang for about 40 seconds.
[02:39] <achraf> LeeJunFan: how do i make an initrd that boot from nfs? and whats the difference between the two ways?what files do i need to edit on the ubunutu installation?
[02:40] <LeeJunFan> achraf: if you edit /etc/mkinitramfs/initramfs.conf in your client host, change BOOT=local to BOOT=nfs, then when you run mkinitramfs it will make one that has the modules for netcards and netboot.
[02:41] <bubblenut> Hey, since upgrading to Dapper KAudioCreator isn't working. It prepares everything correctly but when I "Rip Selection" it adds everything into the queue but never processes anything
[02:42] <imax> HAHAHAHA kool! my kubuntu installation works without reason! i just let him "frozen" for half an hour!!! lol
[02:42] <LeeJunFan> achraf: mkinitramfs will make a new initrd image in /boot to go with the kubuntu kernel, copy the vmlinuz image and the initrd image to your tftpboot dir, and set pxe config to use those instead of the kernel you compiled.
[02:44] <Tallia1Kubuntu> who is keeping the cdrom busy after a crash of Xorg during a k3b burning?
[02:44] <Tallia1Kubuntu> at least i want to stop it..
[02:44] <Tallia1Kubuntu> it's making noise
[02:44] <Tallia1Kubuntu> ll
[02:44] <achraf> LeeJunFan: ok done that, now i copy it to the tftpboot , and edit tftpboot/pxelinux.cfg/MAC to boot the new initrd ? or the kernel? :S
[02:45] <LeeJunFan> achraf: you'll have to change your KERNEL line in pxe config, as well as add initrd=[filename]  to append.
[02:45] <LeeJunFan> achraf: yep.
[02:45] <mhterres> Riddell: ping
[02:45] <LeeJunFan> back in 5 mins.
[02:45] <Riddell> mhterres: hi
[02:46] <mhterres> Riddell: did you think about coming to fisl next year ??? :-)
[02:46] <achraf> LeeJunFan: DEFAULT original_ubunutu   initrd=new_init  APPEND nfsroot=192.168.10.240:/raid/new_office_root ramdisk=8192 ???
[02:52] <zaba> help
[02:52] <zaba> i dont have restart password mysql
[02:53] <LeeJunFan> achraf: I think I did 2 lines in mine KERNEL [vmlinuz] \nAPPEND root=/dev/nfs initrd=[initrd image filename]  nfsroot=192.168.1.2:/nfsroot ip=dhcp rw
[02:55] <LeeJunFan> I can see I think I need to change the wiki to reflect the initrd, originally written with directions using vanilla kernel, I forgot to add change the pxe conf in the wiki.
[03:03] <LeeJunFan> achraf: the more I think about it - I think the udev problems I had were when I left out some plug and play options I didn't think I'd need for ISA in my kernel.
[03:04] <Bladesonfire> Hey, does anyone remember when the Display icon in "System Settings" didn't work, so you could edit a file to bring back the old one...
[03:04] <Bladesonfire> Does anyone remember the location of that file?
[03:05] <ctothej> hey. im trying to reinstall fglrx drivers, but im getting an error when removing or installing the xorg-driver-fglrx using apt-get
[03:06] <lizardmane> What's a simple, easier to setup intrusion detection system for ubuntu?
[03:06] <ctothej> it says: dpkg-divert: rename involves overwriting `/usr/lib/libGL.so.1' with  different file `/usr/lib/fglrx/libGL.so.1.xlibmesa', not allowed
[03:06] <ctothej> wtf is that?
[03:06] <Riddell> mhterres: I hadn't thought about it
[03:07] <mhterres> Riddell: we you have time, think about it and let me know, ok ?
[03:07] <Bladesonfire> I guess no one knows what I'm talking about?
[03:07] <mhterres> Riddell: correct: when you have time
[03:08] <Riddell> mhterres: it's still 10 months away :)
[03:09] <LeeJunFan> achraf: well, I gotta go rebuild a brake cylinder (not as fun as building kernels), on my more economical vehicle. So I can afford to drive around. Good luck.
[03:09] <mhterres> Riddell: I know, but we have to start it very early :-)
[03:13] <bernier> gi, i installed java and im completely sure its corectly installed but when i run frostwire from the command line it says java is not installed... what's wrong?
[03:15] <Icomey> Okay... I have some questions again... XD
[03:18] <defrysk>  bernier you have set the java environment ?
[03:18] <bernier> i jsut did it
[03:18] <bernier> but i got a new error message
[03:18] <bernier> ima pastebin it
[03:18] <bernier> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/767284
[03:20] <defrysk> bernier, you have installed sunjava ?
[03:20] <bernier> well yes
[03:20] <bernier> java version "1.5.0_06"
[03:20] <defrysk> how did you install it ?
[03:20] <bernier> look at the pastebin it says i have it
[03:21] <bernier> apt-get install sun-java5-bin
[03:21] <achraf_> LeeJunFan: it said"please append a correct root="" boot option..unable to mount rootfs "
[03:21] <achraf_> i tried with my other debian and mandriva kernels,,and they give the same error when i start udev manually...:(
[03:21] <defrysk> bernier, a sec
[03:22] <bernier> ok
[03:22] <defrysk> bernier, sudo update-alternatives --config java
[03:23] <bernier> yeah i did that just before
[03:23] <defrysk> set it to sunjava
[03:23] <bernier> and chose the one with "sun" in the name
[03:23] <defrysk> hmm
[03:23] <bernier>       1        /usr/bin/gij-wrapper-4.1
[03:23] <bernier>  +    2        /usr/lib/jvm/java-gcj/jre/bin/java
[03:23] <bernier> *     3        /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun/jre/bin/java
[03:23] <bernier> i chose 3
[03:23] <bernier> is that right?
[03:23] <defrysk> wellyes
[03:23] <defrysk> then I do not know
[03:24] <bernier> ok
[03:24] <bernier> ive already heard that the 1.5 version oif java didnt work well with frostwire and id better use 1.4
[03:24] <bernier> could it be that?
[03:24] <defrysk> honestly do not know
[03:24] <bernier> kk
[03:26] <defrysk> bernier, you could try installing blackdownjave and set the environment to that
[03:26] <defrysk> java
[03:27] <bernier> ok
[03:27] <bernier> do i need to uninstall the other java before?
[03:27] <defrysk> not sure honestly but i dont think so
[03:27] <bernier> kk
[03:28] <KubuntuInstallie> I downloaded the Kubuntu DVD and now my computer refuses to boot from it -.- Is there such a thing as a Kubuntu boot floppy or do I need to download the CD? :|
[03:31] <visik7> KubuntuInstallie: does cd boot work for other cd/dvd ?
[03:32] <bernier> defrysk jai un probleme en installant blackdown java...
[03:32] <KubuntuInstallie> I have a CD drive and a DVD drive. I can boot from the CD drive, but appearently not from the DVD one.
[03:33] <bernier> defrysk http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/767307
[03:34] <Samuli^> KubuntuInstallie, have you enabled bios to check you dvd-drive for boot and before harddrive?
[03:34] <defrysk> bernier, got you need some expert for that I think
[03:34] <bernier> i see
[03:34] <bernier> such as? :P
[03:35] <defrysk> bernier, do you have synaptic open or something ?
[03:35] <KubuntuInstallie> In BIOS, I only have the options hard drive, floppy and the CD drive, the DVD drive does not show up.
[03:35] <bernier> no
[03:35] <bernier> adept is closed
[03:35] <defrysk> bernier, killal java and try again
[03:35] <bernier> k
[03:35] <defrysk> bernier, killall java and try again
[03:35] <bernier> java: no process killed
[03:36] <defrysk> try sudo apt-get -f install
[03:37] <KubuntuInstallie> So I don't see any solution
[03:37] <KubuntuInstallie> there is no boot floppy, is there?
[03:39] <defrysk> bernier, working ?
[03:40] <bernier> wait i just saw your message =P
[03:40] <bernier> ill try
[03:40] <bernier> root@bernier-desktop:/home/bernier# sudo apt-get -f install
[03:40] <bernier> Reading package lists... Done
[03:40] <bernier> Building dependency tree... Done
[03:40] <bernier> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[03:40] <defrysk> you could try uninstalling sunjava and then install blackdown java
[03:41] <bernier> yeah i think that'swhat i'll do
[03:41] <defrysk> bernier, otherwise try limewire maybe that takes
[03:41] <bernier> yeah but i cant find any .deb of limewire
[03:42] <bernier> and alien ain't safe ive been told
[03:43] <defrysk> bernier I think limewire works with alienned rpm of limewire
[03:43] <bernier> kk
[03:43] <bernier> ill try that then
[03:43] <defrysk> bernier, you could try it , you can always uninstalled the .deb you created
[03:43] <bernier> yeah
[03:44] <StageZero> What is the Bash-Command for deleting files and directories?
[03:44] <defrysk> bernier, but its true alien only when there is no other option
[03:44] <bernier> ok
[03:44] <defrysk> StageZero, rm -rf /path/to/whateverfolder/
[03:44] <StageZero> thx
[03:46] <defrysk> bernier, make sure to uninstall frostwire before installing limewire
[03:46] <StageZero> Okay, I've successful configured my MP360 in Windows-Network to be used from Kubuntu.
[03:46] <bernier> i did
[03:46] <StageZero> :-)
[03:46] <StageZero> And I'm new in Linux.
[03:47] <ubuntu_hola> hola
[03:47] <defrysk> StageZero, cool :)
[03:47] <ubuntu_hola> alguien habla espaol
[03:47] <bernier> i got the same message with limewire
[03:47] <defrysk> !es
[03:47] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[03:48] <kkathman> good morning all (or whatever time it is where you are) :)
[03:48] <defrysk> bernier, I am out of resources then :(
[03:48] <vinboy> how do I make konqueror similar to Windows Explorer?? (with side-bar and it updates when I go navigate thru)
[03:48] <bernier> well with limewire the limewire splashscreen appears
[03:48] <bernier> but then closes and nothing happens
[03:49] <defrysk> bernier, did you install java from the repo or as suggested in the wiki ?
[03:49] <v3ctor> vinboy: f9
[03:49] <bernier> repo
[03:49] <ubuntu> ok, gracias
[03:49] <ubuntu> thanks
[03:49] <defrysk> bernier, check if limewire is in the panel
[03:49] <bernier> it is
[03:49] <vinboy> v3ctor: cool thx... but when i go navigate thru, the side-pane doesn't update itself
[03:49] <defrysk> running in the background
[03:49] <defrysk> ?
[03:50] <bernier> wow it works now
[03:50] <bernier> limewire is working! :P
[03:50] <defrysk> yes I thought so , it was docked right ?
[03:50] <bernier> no
[03:50] <bernier> i tryed again
[03:50] <bernier> and it worked
[03:50] <bernier> lol
[03:51] <defrysk> bernier, frostwire is the opensourcefork of limewire but needs some more work
[03:51] <defrysk> try frostiwre again later for its open source meaning better
[03:51] <bernier> yeah i know
[03:51] <defrysk> good :)
[03:51] <bernier> i would have prefered it =/
[03:52] <defrysk> yes but what can you do
[03:52] <v3ctor> i have been using apollon instaead of limewire
[03:52] <CellarDoor> hello
[03:53] <h3sp4wn> defrysk: are you using ktorrent 2 ? (I usually only use rtorrent)
[03:53] <defrysk> bernier, and as far as p2p is concerned you might like nicotine
[03:53] <defrysk> h3sp4wn, yes 2
[03:53] <h3sp4wn> defrysk: Do you have a source deb ?
[03:53] <defrysk> h3sp4wn, propely debugged and running nicely
[03:54] <CellarDoor> I'm trying to install flash from the macromedia/adobe website and I'm wondering what a valid installation path would be as the installer doesn't accept /usr/lib/firefox... ?
[03:54] <defrysk> h3sp4wn, not sourcedeb but a .deb from the forum
[03:54] <defrysk> h3sp4wn, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=188530 works flawlessly
[03:55] <CellarDoor> !flash
[03:55] <ubotu> Installation & troubleshooting for Flash is covered in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[03:55] <h3sp4wn> defrysk: I wouldn't trust anything hosted off rapidshare.de
[03:55] <defrysk> h3sp4wn, and uses way less resources
[03:55] <Jack_Sparrow> Hello all, How do I get Konq to show all of my drives and partitions
[03:56] <defrysk> h3sp4wn, well It runs fine so..
[03:56] <bernier> Hmmm i dwled a song but only the limewire player can read it amarok cant read =/
[03:56] <KubuntuInstallie> Is there a way to create a boot floppy so that I can then install from the DVD?
[03:56] <defrysk> h3sp4wn, otherwise contact psychicdragon for the sources
[03:56] <Jack_Sparrow> WHy not bootable DVD?
[03:56] <v3ctor> Jack_Sparrow: you want konq to be used as a partitioning tool?
[03:56] <h3sp4wn> defrysk: I wouldn't trust it without a source deb (I can build it from the source tarball but want to make a deb properly)
[03:57] <Jack_Sparrow> Not as partitioning tool, just for fat32 partition
[03:57] <KubuntuInstallie> Jack_Sparrow: My PC refueses to boot from DVD
[03:57] <Jack_Sparrow> read and write
[03:57] <defrysk> h3sp4wn, Hobbsee is working on it but had probs
[03:57] <defrysk> h3sp4wn, so contact Hobbsee
[03:57] <Hobbsee> what's this for?
[03:57] <v3ctor> Jack_Sparrow: you need to add the partiton to the /etc/fatab and mount it
[03:57] <Jack_Sparrow> that is where I messed it all up
[03:58] <Jack_Sparrow> I added the partiition but did not know where to mount it.
[03:58] <defrysk> h3sp4wn, wants to work on a deb for ktorrent Hobbsee
[03:58] <h3sp4wn> Hobbsee: Do you have a source deb for ktorrent 2 ?
[03:58] <v3ctor> mountit where  ever you want
[03:58] <v3ctor> mount*
[03:58] <kkathman> Hobbsee why arent you in bed asleep :)
[03:58] <Hobbsee> h3sp4wn: isnt a source deb an oxymoron?
[03:58] <Hobbsee> kkathman: it's only midnight - and i woke at 1pm...
[03:58] <Jack_Sparrow> mounted it as root and well you guess it.. ended up editing the fstab from Mepis
[03:59] <kkathman> Hobbsee:  ahh well ok... sleeping late...I remember when I could do that :(
[03:59] <Hobbsee> heh - i shouldnt have been
[03:59] <bernier> defrysk do you know why amarok and kaffeine cant read my songs but limewire can?
[03:59] <Hobbsee> h3sp4wn: i have some form of deb, which requires force overwrite, but i think \sh is now taking care of it
[03:59] <defrysk> bernier, xine plugins you need but ask someone else i have to go now for a bitt
[04:00] <defrysk> my dag needs air
[04:00] <defrysk> dog
[04:00] <bernier> ok thanks
[04:00] <h3sp4wn> Hobbsee: I will just wait I am not that bothered about it - does apt-get source not use debs ?
[04:00] <defrysk> bernier, check the wiki on restikted formats for kde in dapper
[04:00] <Jack_Sparrow> bernier, sorry to come in late but limewire can and other softwarte on the same PC cant is that correct
[04:01] <bernier> yes
[04:01] <firepol> hi there, I'd like to install kubuntu dapper on a AMD64 desktop pc, what installation cd do you suggest to use?
[04:01] <bernier> that's it
[04:01] <Hobbsee> h3sp4wn: the source is not a deb.  the deb is a binary.
[04:01] <Jack_Sparrow> are these songs you paid for?
[04:01] <Jack_Sparrow> Not trying to point fingers
[04:01] <bernier> not that one it was a song to test music on linux
[04:02] <Jack_Sparrow> k
[04:03] <Jack_Sparrow> what was the format
[04:03] <bernier> .mp3
[04:03] <Jack_Sparrow> mp3 or ?
[04:04] <bernier> yes mp3
[04:04] <h3sp4wn> Hobbsee: Yeah it is definately an oxymoron, I thought (incorrectly) that the source deb included the dsc and original tar.gz and the patch - never dealt with putting any source stuff onto a repository before
[04:05] <Jack_Sparrow> sorry dont know..
[04:06] <bernier> k
[04:07] <Hobbsee> h3sp4wn: the source includes that, yes - but the source does *not* include any debs.
[04:14] <mrmist> Hi all :)
[04:14] <mrmist> I just installed kubuntu on my laptop
[04:14] <mrmist> worked like a charm
[04:14] <mrmist> couple of issues though..
[04:15] <mrmist> I had to "resize" my xp partition for this, and it seemed to be working fine
[04:15] <mrmist> However, I'd like the "home" folder to be on a separate partition too, and it's not as it is now
[04:16] <mrmist> is there any way I can separate out a partition now ???
[04:16] <xwolf-> how about stealing some more space from winblocks?
[04:16] <StageZero> Is there a good alternative for Microsoft Access in Kubuntu?
[04:16] <StageZero> The OpenOffice-Database-Module is a big piece of shit.
[04:17] <mrmist> huh ?
[04:17] <mrmist> xwolf-: What do you mean ?
[04:18] <xwolf-> mrmist considering your windows partition has space available, make another partition out of it
[04:18] <mrmist> xwolf-: And there's a tool for that ?
[04:19] <mrmist> I can't just "compact" the partition with Kubuntu on it, and then make another ext3 partition ?
[04:20] <xwolf-> i guess Qtparted should do it. i know there is a Gparted for Gnome
[04:20] <xwolf-> but you should be asking somebody more experienced. gotta get to java coding now, cya.
[04:21] <h3sp4wn> Hobbsee: I know (now) - I knew that once you got it, that it was not in a deb - Do you build cross compile your packages for ppc also ? (if so do you know do you do it ?)
[04:21] <Hobbsee> h3sp4wn: no i dont.  i believe you need to build in a ppc chroot if you're wanting to do that
[04:22] <defrysk>  bernier got your yuk sound ?
[04:23] <bernier> someone jsut gave me a link ill try it
[04:23] <Hobbsee> !chroot
[04:23] <ubotu> well, chroot is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot and http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24575
[04:23] <Hobbsee> h3sp4wn: ^
[04:23] <defrysk> bernier, sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs does the trick ;)
[04:24] <mrmist> xwolf-: Think it's better to repartition some of the ntfs-drive than the linux partition ??
[04:24] <h3sp4wn> Hobbsee: But how do run a ppc chroot on x86 (I actually want to compile for mipsel but presume the process would be the same)
[04:24] <bernier> that's exactly what i just read on a website ;)
[04:24] <defrysk> http://doc.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/desktopguide/C/ch04s03.html right ? :D
[04:24] <Hobbsee> h3sp4wn: hopefully that'll be in the howto...
[04:24] <bernier>  http://amarok.kde.org/amarokwiki/index.php/MP3_on_Kubuntu_6.06
[04:24] <bernier> =P
[04:24] <defrysk> bernier, samo samo :)
[04:25] <bernier> hehe
[04:25] <xwolf-> mrmist the end-result is the same: you'll get a new ext3 partition. just choose whichever partition has more space so that you won't be needing those precious megabytes later
[04:25] <Snake> Ugh where is the mount options stored. I cant remember
[04:25] <xwolf-> /etc/fstab?
[04:25] <mrmist> xwolf-: thanks :) I'll try
[04:26] <Snake> xwolf-: yep. thanks man
[04:26] <mrmist> xwolf-: happy Java coding then
[04:26] <Bassetts> hi, I am just wondering if there is a desktop wiki for Kubuntu, like Newton for ubuntu
[04:26] <xwolf-> thank you
[04:28] <defrysk> Bassetts, https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu
[04:29] <Bassetts> sorry, i think you misunderstood
[04:29] <defrysk> ok
[04:29] <MikkelRev> Hi, how do I set up my sound and wireless netw. card ?
[04:29] <Bassetts> this is newton: http://newton.sourceforge.net/
[04:29] <Bassetts> but it has bad support for KDE
[04:30] <defrysk> i see
[04:30] <bernier> yaya music works!
[04:30] <defrysk> bernier, yoyo
[04:30] <jwat> is there an openoffice channel anywhere
[04:30] <jwat> ?
[04:30] <Hobbsee> !tell Bassetts about wireless
[04:31] <Hobbsee> jwat: #openoffice i think
[04:31] <Bassetts> i did now ask about wireless =P
[04:31] <Bassetts> !tell MikkelRev about wireless
[04:31] <bernier> anyway i have 45 min to make a 1000 word text in a language which is not my native one (english) :P
[04:31] <NoUse> jwat I think its #OpenOffice.org
[04:31] <bernier> so no more disturbing 'bout linux
[04:31] <bernier> lol
[04:31] <bernier> bye
[04:32] <Bassetts> so no one knows of a desktop wiki similar to newton?
[04:32] <kkathman> newton???
[04:32] <Bassetts> http://newton.sourceforge.net/
[04:33] <kkathman> ohh its a Gnome app
[04:33] <h3sp4wn> Hobbsee: It is not in there - It seems to be a black art cross compiling that no one (that I have contact with) knows much about
[04:33] <jwat> no one seems to be there.  In any case, does anyone know the location of the macro that will convert a batch of xls files in CALC to pdf
[04:33] <kkathman> you might try asking in #ubuntu then, Bassetts
[04:34] <Hobbsee> h3sp4wn: hmmm...ask in #ubuntu-motu
[04:35] <dale_gribble> i recently upgraded from breezy to dapper, and am now unable to print
[04:35] <mrmist> Anyone experienced with qtparted ?
[04:35] <dale_gribble> i see that the printer is listed when i run 'lsusb'
[04:36] <Snake> mrmist: I suggest gparted over qtparted
[04:36] <dale_gribble> but in cups it says '"Unable to open USB device "usb:/dev/usb/lp0":'
[04:36] <Bassetts> no offense, but how will people in #ubuntu know if there is a similar program for KDE??
[04:36] <mrmist> Snake: Any reason for that ?
[04:37] <defrysk> Bassetts, how would we know here ?
[04:37] <Bassetts> because you know about KDE and Kubuntu =P
[04:38] <defrysk> yes but its a gnome app
[04:38] <defrysk> not kde
[04:38] <Bassetts> to my logic, you are more likely to know about a desktop wiki for KDE
[04:38] <Bassetts> yes, and I want to know if there is anything like it for KDE
[04:39] <defrysk> http://wiki.kde.org/ there is a forum there
[04:39] <mrmist> I'm more wondering about the functionality of the program now, not a principal discussion.. I need to resize one partittion, to make another
[04:39] <mrmist> Anyone know how to do it ?
[04:40] <defrysk> mrmist, I never resize but I think you can do that with the live cd
[04:41] <mrmist> Yeah... I did it with the live-CD
[04:41] <mrmist> but I need to resize my linux-partition now
[04:42] <defrysk> http://www.nuxified.org/the_ubuntu_dapper_experience has a section about resizing and setting up
[04:42] <defrysk> maybe that helps ?
[04:42] <defrysk> resizing can also be done with the live cd you see
[04:43] <mrmist> yeah I have a dual-boot configuration, so I had to resize. And did it too
[04:43] <mrmist> I was only foolish enough not to think about my need to have a separate "/home" partition
[04:44] <mrmist> like a "my documents" partition
[04:44] <gan|y|med> hi
[04:44] <defrysk> i see
[04:45] <gan|y|med> how can i make vpnc non-root executable?
[04:45] <synmoo> I'm getting ready to install the 64bit alt cd on my box. Am I correct in thinking that the packages are architecture dependant? Will I have difficulty finding packages I need and end up having to compile the bulk of applications and such?
[04:45] <synmoo> I should clarify, not on the CD, but in the repositories.
[04:46] <v3ctor> gan|y|med: you can give the user explicite sudo access to that binary
[04:46] <noaXess> does anybody know a good tool to import outlook .pst files into kde pim software?
[04:46] <v3ctor> or users
[04:46] <Bassetts> anyone know of a program like newton for KDE?
[04:47] <defrysk> NO!
[04:47] <synmoo> noaXess: It would likely be easier to go back to outlook and export various things as vcards or csv and such. Find a format that both kontact and outlook support and go with that
[04:47] <MikkelRev> Hi, how do I set up my soundcard ?
[04:47] <defrysk> MikkelRev, is it not detected ?
[04:48] <Hobbsee> noaXess: you cant do that already from kmail?
[04:48] <neuron_> hy
[04:49] <neuron_> is there any way of updating to dapper without make a cd with the dapper iso?
[04:49] <neuron_> i got brezzy right now
[04:49] <defrysk> !upgrade
[04:49] <ubotu> Upgrading to Ubuntu 5.10 breezy -> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgrade. Upgrading to Ubuntu 6.06 Dapper -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperUpgrades . Note: gksudo "update-manager -d" always updates to the latest development verison: (eft when its open)
[04:49] <MikkelRev> defrysk: when i try to play a mp3, "Totem could not startup... could not establish connection to sound server"
[04:49] <defrysk> MikkelRev, totem in kde ?
[04:50] <slow-motion> hallo
[04:50] <gan|y|med> v3ector how?
[04:50] <v3ctor> 1 sec
[04:50] <defrysk> MikkelRev, try amarok or juk
[04:50] <MikkelRev> Ive tried to different mp3 players
[04:51] <defrysk> MikkelRev, you use kde ?
[04:51] <MikkelRev> Think its GNOME, not KDE btw
[04:51] <MikkelRev> which is the default in ubuntu
[04:51] <defrysk> MikkelRev, /j #ubuntu
[04:52] <defrysk> #ubuntu is for gnome users
[04:52] <MikkelRev> ok
[04:52] <defrysk> MikkelRev, this channel is for kde users
[04:52] <MikkelRev> Alright, didnt know that
[04:52] <gan|y|med> v3ctor?
[04:52] <defrysk> MikkelRev, np
[04:52] <MikkelRev> But guess if the sound works in one, it would work with the other too
[04:52] <defrysk> MikkelRev, nope
[04:53] <defrysk> MikkelRev, you have to set sound to esd in gnome
[04:53] <defrysk> gstreamer properties
[04:53] <defrysk> MikkelRev, do gstreamer-prperties and set it to esd
[04:53] <neuron_> well, i downloaded the cd iso, is there any way of doing a fresh install without burning the cd? or at least upgrade from the iso cd
[04:54] <defrysk> MikkelRev, do gstreamer-properties and set it to esd
[04:54] <defrysk> i mean
[04:54] <gan|y|med> neuron_ can't you add the cd to your sources.list and do an apt-get upgrade (or similar)
[04:54] <gan|y|med> ?
[04:54] <defrysk> MikkelRev, and make sure to set your apps also to esd
[04:55] <defrysk> your sound apps that is
[04:55] <v3ctor> gan|y|med: <user> <path to vpnc>
[04:55] <neuron_> gan|y|med, i dont have the cd, i only have the iso
[04:56] <gan|y|med> neuron_ then mount it as a loop device (mount -o loop ...). but burning it might be easier
[04:57] <neuron_> oh
[04:57] <gan|y|med> v3ctor: where in the sudoers file?
[04:57] <neuron_> is there any way i could mount the iso on boot? so i could make a fresh install? or do i realy need to burn the cd?
[04:57] <v3ctor> yes
[04:57] <neuron_> i dont have a cdrw close to me right now
[04:58] <defrysk> neuron_, just get one
[04:58] <neuron_> okay :d
[04:59] <neuron_> chavo, hey :P
[05:00] <Bassetts> anyone know of a program like newton for KDE?
[05:00] <defrysk> can someone get rid of Bassetts ?
[05:00] <neuron_> !newton
[05:00] <ubotu> Did you get hit by a windmill? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, neuron_
[05:00] <MikkelRev> defrysk: ok, thanks
[05:01] <defrysk> MikkelRev, yw
[05:01] <Bassetts> sorry =(
[05:02] <v3ctor> gan|y|med: v3ctor ALL=NOPASSWD:/usr/bin/id
[05:02] <v3ctor> gan|y|med: something like that
[05:03] <v3ctor> or you could leave off the NOPASSWD and make themm enter password each time
[05:03] <gan|y|med> i'll try that
[05:04] <imbrandon64> defrysk: get rid of Bassetts why ?
[05:05] <KubuntuInstallie> Sooo, I changed my CD drive with my DVD drive and now I can boot from the Kubuntu DVD finally ^^ . But I don't find a partitioning tool. qtparted does not seem to be there. Is there a way to partition my HD from the Kubuntu Live DVD? Preferably not on the command line?
[05:06] <imbrandon64> KubuntuInstallie: have you tried the live cd installer
[05:06] <KubuntuInstallie> Well I'd like to partition the HD first because I need to install Windows on the same HD, too
[05:06] <imbrandon64> also should be easy enoguht to apt-get install qtparted even on the live cd
[05:06] <defrysk> imbrandon64, nm
[05:07] <Bassetts> is there a way to add a button in the taskbar to show the desktop?
[05:07] <imbrandon64> KubuntuInstallie: you can use the partitioner and then quit the installer
[05:07] <defrysk> Bassetts, yes
[05:07] <defrysk> rughtklick the panel and add the applet
[05:07] <imbrandon64> Bassetts: right click on the bar and "add applet" there is ashow desktop applet
[05:07] <Bassetts> i remember doing it, but can remember how
[05:07] <Bassetts> ahh, thankyou =)
[05:07] <kronoz> !nvidia
[05:07] <ubotu> rumour has it, nvidia is Help about installing the nVidia drivers on Ubuntu can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[05:08] <KubuntuInstallie> I'll try that, imbrandon64, thx
[05:09] <lwells> can i use to adept to get superkarmba??
[05:09] <defrysk> lwells, yes
[05:09] <imbrandon64> lwells: adept also has a search function ;)
[05:10] <imbrandon64> how you doing today defrysk ;)
[05:10] <lwells> i typed in "Superkarmba" did not find it
[05:10] <imbrandon64> lwells: it might be in universe or multiverse have you enabled those ?
[05:10] <pekuja> it's superkaramba, not superkarmba
[05:10] <defrysk> imbrandon64, grumpy with sunny periods :D
[05:10] <ganymed> v
[05:10] <ganymed> v3ctor: i get: vpnc: binding to port 500: Permission denied
[05:11] <lwells> how to i include those
[05:11] <imbrandon64> !repos
[05:11] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource.
[05:11] <imbrandon64> and spell it correct too ;)
[05:12] <imbrandon64> brb
[05:13] <KubuntuInstallie> imbrandon64, it seems not to be possible
[05:13] <KubuntuInstallie> some lock file could not be opened
[05:13] <synmoo> I'm getting ready to install the amd64 alt cd (raid setup). Are the majority of the packages available in the repository available in amd64 or will I be recompiling a lot of things?
[05:14] <KubuntuInstallie> oops, forgot sudo ... but with sudo it says it cannot find qtparted
[05:14] <ganymed> how do i get non-root user to use vpnc?
[05:14] <neuron_> if i wanna upgrate to dapper, whats best? fresh install or upgrade?
[05:15] <neuron_> upgrade*
[05:15] <nixternal> fresh install
[05:15] <neuron_> tought so :D
[05:15] <nixternal> you can do an update...but i have seen a lot of problems that way
[05:15] <NV_The_Riper> hekllo
[05:15] <nixternal> that is why i always have a /home partition...just for that reason
[05:16] <h3sp4wn> neuron: Upgrade works reasonably well (I upgraded debian sarge to dapper flight 4 with only a few things that had to be forced so breezy to dapper should at least as easily as that)
[05:16] <GeniusDex> hm, why does a dist-upgrade from breezy to dapper want to remove 379 packages, including things like amarok, kde, openoffice.org-2, python, and xorg-common?
[05:18] <noteventime> Will something like gdebi be integrated into edgy eft?
[05:18] <ciasa> has anyone here tried the amarok 1.4 package yet
[05:18] <ciasa> I'm having trouble with the xine engine not playing ogg vorbis files
[05:18] <h3sp4wn> noteventime: Why is gdebi better than aptitude ? (I think they want to switch to using smart for package management)
[05:18] <noteventime> ciasa, yes
[05:19] <xst> I have installed ruby but there is no "ruby" command. Only "ruby1.8". This nameing makes some scripts broken. E.g. the lyrics in amarok. Is this a bug?
[05:19] <ciasa> noteventime, have you had any trouble playing ogg files?
[05:19] <noteventime> h3sp4wn, I marely mean non-command line debian installer
[05:19] <noteventime> ciasa, no
[05:19] <h3sp4wn> noteventime: Have you tried interactive aptitude ?
[05:20] <noteventime> Isn't aptitude like synaptic?
[05:20] <moopere> noteventime: sorta, but better
[05:20] <ciasa> noteventime, could you do me a favor and see if you have a file /usr/lib/xine/plugins/1.1.1/xineplug_decode_ogg.so or something resembling that?
[05:20] <noteventime> I want to be able to click on a .deb file  and install it :)
[05:20] <DaSkreech> Whats a good VNC client?
[05:21] <noteventime> ciasa, /usr/lib/xine/plugins/1.1.1/xineplug_decode_vorbis.so
[05:21] <moopere> whats the best way to check samba speed?  I'm struggling to stream movies from a winxp box, I think its a netspeed issue
[05:21] <h3sp4wn> noteventime: I doubt they will ever make it so you click on a .deb and install it (incase it is made for debian sid/etch/sarge and breaks alot of dependancies)
[05:21] <ciasa> noteventime, hmm, i wonder why I'm missing that file
[05:22] <h3sp4wn> ciasa: do you have libxine-extracodecs
[05:22] <KubuntuInstallie> how can I get apt-get to list all packages that include the string "part"?
[05:22] <ciasa> yeah
[05:22] <moopere> h3sp4wn: you can do exactly this from konqueror now
[05:22] <noteventime> ogg shouldn't be "extracodec"
[05:22] <DaSkreech> anyone can recommned a good VNC client?
[05:22] <noteventime> daskreech, xvnc4viewer?
[05:22] <h3sp4wn> moopere: Even for packages that may break the system ? i.e a debian sid deb ?
[05:23] <ciasa> i dont suppose anyone remembers the command to see what package a file came from?
[05:23] <DaSkreech> noteventime: ok but It's not in Main
[05:23] <h3sp4wn> moopere: Do you have to run konqueror as root ?
[05:23] <synmoo> I'm pretty much doomed having an ATI graphics card, aren't I?
[05:23] <moopere> h3sp4wn: as long as dependencies are satisfied why would it break your system?
[05:23] <noteventime> DaSkreech, It's in universe
[05:23] <DaSkreech> So there are no VNC viewers in main?
[05:24] <noteventime> I don't knwo
[05:24] <noteventime> try apt-cache search vnc
[05:24] <moopere> h3sp4wn: no, right click on a .deb, choose install and it opens a command line asking for your sudo password.  Its just a really simple script linked to apt-get I think
[05:24] <slow-motion> bbl
[05:24] <noteventime> DaSkreech, try "apt-cache search vnc"
[05:25] <DaSkreech> ok
[05:25] <moopere> no one wants to take up my speed test for samba challenge?
[05:26] <noteventime> :) I havn't used samba for 3 years
[05:26] <h3sp4wn> moopere: How do you install a deb with apt-get ?
[05:26] <DaSkreech> h3sp4wn: you don't
[05:26] <h3sp4wn> DaSkreech: I didn't think you did
[05:27] <noteventime> dpkg -i
[05:27] <synmoo> Imoopere: I've got an ati chipset that won't start in anything but vesa on the live cd... should I assume that I will be stuck with vesa after a full install?
[05:27] <h3sp4wn> DaSkreech: Directly anyway
[05:27] <defrysk> synmoo, the ati-vesa thing is a bug
[05:27] <defrysk> synmoo, bugs tend to get fixed
[05:27] <noteventime> synmoo,  You might be able to use the official linux drivers from ATI
[05:27] <moopere> h3sp4wn: I'll have to go check now I suppose :)  I didnt really look into it, but the command line that popped up to install the deb did resolve dependencies, dpkg -i won't do that I don't think
[05:28] <ganymed> sry, have been away for some time... so i'll ask again
[05:28] <ganymed> how do i get non-root user to use vpnc?
[05:28] <h3sp4wn> mooropere: dpkg -i does check dependancies
[05:28] <synmoo> defrysk: Am I being too ambitious with a dual head ati based setup? Thats right.. ati did release linux drivers. What are my chances of them also being amd64 compatible? :-)
[05:29] <h3sp4wn> synmoo: ati has amd 64 drivers
[05:29] <defrysk> synmoo, honestly do not know for I dont run that material
[05:29] <defrysk> synmoo, listen to h3sp4wn
[05:30] <synmoo> h3sp4wn: I just looked. You are correct, they do. Perhaps I should throw in a different HDD and see if I can get my video running correctly before I wipe out my RAID 0 windows partition.
[05:30] <neuron_> where are all the hotkeys  and settings i have made in kde? ~/kde?
[05:31] <synmoo> The uncertainty of getting everything to work well enough to ditch windows on my primary desktop is a pain!
[05:31] <noteventime> synmoo, What more problems are you having?
[05:31] <defrysk> synmoo, breaking up is hard to do
[05:31] <h3sp4wn> synmoo: Just ditch windows then once its gone then think about how to do it
[05:31] <noteventime> Wasn't hard at all for me :)
[05:31] <neuron_> lol
[05:31] <neuron_> windows was the easyest thing do dich :D
[05:32] <neuron_> bsplayer, Y!Mess and winamp arent so easy to get away from tho
[05:32] <noteventime> I had been using linux a little for playing around with for a few years, 3 or so. Then one day windows crashed and i said "fuck it"
[05:32] <synmoo> noteventime:  I've ditched windows on my laptop. In breezy, I had to bend over backwards and make too many compromises to make it my primary OS.
[05:32] <Burne> Blog cul sur: http://www.idpz.net/tomytom/BlogX.htm
[05:32] <CellarDoor> Hello
[05:32] <CellarDoor> !xgl
[05:33] <ubotu> I heard xgl is "XGL on Ubuntu: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CompositeManager - Join #ubuntu-xgl for all the XGL fun on Ubuntu systems.  Pretty videos on http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease/"
[05:33] <neuron_> xgl ruls, hehe :D
[05:33] <synmoo> noteventime: Here I am at work, my machine needing a reformat anyway, I'm not so sure I'm ready to deal with all of the potential pitfalls in getting all of the hardware up and running, only to go back to windows in the end because I can't get the video drivers running.
[05:33] <noteventime> synmoo, I've been using Dapper on a laptop for almost a year
[05:33] <moopere> h3sp4wn: Ok, I had a look.  Konqueror -> Kubuntu Package menu -> Install...   <<<--  do this from a right click on a .deb file and it kicks off a script in a terminal window that does (as you though) use dpkg.
[05:33] <neuron_> linux has now three dimensions, windows has only two :D
[05:33] <mluser-work> Is it possible to tell the livecd installer to install/setup grub into /dev/hda7 instead of /dev/hda?
[05:34] <CellarDoor> neuron_: I've just installed dapper tonight and I'm wondering if there's anything I need to know before installing xgl ?
[05:34] <synmoo> noteventime: The laptop isn't an issue. It's running dapper as I type on it right now. I'm happy with how things turned out and am considering putting it on my much faster hdd and moving windows to this older, slower drive.
[05:34] <ganymed> ok. asked differently: how do i allow a normal user to bind to port 500
[05:34] <ganymed> ?
[05:34] <neuron_> nope, just install it :D
[05:34] <CellarDoor> neuron_: ok :D
[05:34] <neuron_> cant wait
[05:34] <h3sp4wn> ganymed: Only root can bind to < 1024
[05:34] <neuron_> i`m installing daper right now :d
[05:34] <neuron_> dapper
[05:34] <noteventime> synmoo, :-) I know how it is, I was running dapper on intel i915gm GPU
[05:35] <noteventime> The drivers are even crappyer than ATIs
[05:35] <h3sp4wn> ganymed: Either use > 1024 or a program which drops its privs after its in installed
[05:35] <moopere> hey noteventime, I thought it was you - still getting poor FPS on your intel board?
[05:35] <synmoo> noteventime: Thankfully, my laptop was blessed with an nvidia chipset. Using nvidia's drivers, it works like a dream.
[05:36] <neuron_> i`m a wow player, if wow would work on linux, i would have switched ack to windowze
[05:36] <noteventime> moopere, I don't have the laptop any more :)
[05:36] <neuron_> worldnt*
[05:36] <noteventime> neuron_, cedega does wow
[05:36] <neuron_> wouldnt* (damn, i need a new keyboard)
[05:36] <neuron_> i know :D
[05:36] <noteventime> ahh, misread :)
[05:36] <noteventime> sorry
[05:36] <neuron_> i`m playing wow right now :D
[05:36] <neuron_> misstype* :D
[05:36] <noteventime> Hows your performance?
[05:36] <neuron_> +
[05:36] <neuron_> -
[05:36] <mluser-work> Is it possible to tell the kubuntu livecd installer to install/setup grub into /dev/hda7 instead of /dev/hda?
[05:37] <neuron_> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++`-
[05:37] <neuron_> sorry
[05:37] <noteventime> mluser, mount hda7 as /boot
[05:37] <neuron_> well, i dont have grate fps, but its not soo bad either :D
[05:37] <moopere> I struggle with performance on WoW even on its native platform
[05:37] <neuron_> i got min 0.9 fps :)))
[05:37] <neuron_> well, i think is my video card
[05:37] <mluser-work> noteventime: well hda7 is my / which contains /boot.. wont that cause problems?
[05:37] <noteventime> WoW is a crppy game anyway :)
[05:38] <neuron_> i had about that under windows too
[05:38] <moopere> noteventime: Yeah, I but I cant stop playing it
[05:38] <neuron_> my average fps is about 20fps
[05:38] <CellarDoor> neuron_: ok, so I've installed xgl, compiz and compiz-kde... do I need to reboot ?
[05:38] <moopere> neuron_: Yeah, me too, 15-20 depending on scenario
[05:38] <ganymed> h3sp4wn: how do i change the port?
[05:38] <h3sp4wn> ganymed: What are you trying to install ?
[05:38] <CellarDoor> neuron_: or maybe just log out and back in again
[05:38] <noaXess> how can i enable all the printers and pseudo printers in firefox? i see only printers.. print to pdf or something like this is not available..
[05:39] <defrysk> CellarDoor, try restarting x
[05:39] <CellarDoor> defrysk: ctrl+alt+backspace ?
[05:39] <noteventime> mluser, then grub is installed on hda7 if it is /
[05:39] <marcreichelt> hi @all
[05:39] <defrysk> yup
[05:39] <CellarDoor> ok np
[05:39] <neuron_> CellarDoor, no ideea, i didnt install dapper yet :D
[05:39] <CellarDoor> here goes nothin :P
[05:39] <CellarDoor> brb
[05:39] <neuron_> chavo, would know i think, but his afk i think :D
[05:39] <marcreichelt> on my new kubuntu 6.06 some applications (e.g. amaroK, Skype and RealPlayer) can't play sounds
[05:40] <marcreichelt> are there any fixes for this?
[05:40] <noteventime> marcreichel, its a skype problem
[05:40] <marcreichelt> they ran on kubuntu 5.10 without problems
[05:40] <mluser-work> noteventime: no.. by default its being installed to /dev/hda with root pointing to /dev/hda7, I want to install the bootloader and root into /dev/hda7
[05:40] <marcreichelt> noteventime: amaroK too?
[05:40] <noteventime> no
[05:40] <neuron_> why doesnt the xmms eq work?
[05:40] <moopere> on my lappy at work kubuntu has no sound and doesn't recognise the onboard intel chip, but alsa knows its there and I can play sound from the command line...weird huh?
[05:41] <noteventime> neuron_ Because xmms sucks?
[05:41] <neuron_> what should i use?
[05:41] <defrysk> xmms does not suck
[05:41] <noteventime> Amarok
[05:41] <neuron_> lool
[05:41] <marcreichelt> amaroK does not work here
[05:41] <neuron_> amarok sucks :D
[05:41] <noteventime> :) Amarok is a LOT better :)
[05:41] <marcreichelt> wahh
[05:41] <neuron_> winamp style rulls :D
[05:41] <v3ctor> woohoo...an xmms vs amarok flame war
[05:41] <noteventime> btw, it's Amarok not amaroK now
[05:41] <pm> neuron: you suck :P
[05:41] <noaXess> !tell neuron_ mp3
[05:41] <neuron_> nice and simple
[05:42] <defrysk> xmms = mother of all multimedia apps
[05:42] <neuron_> cant wait for xmms2 :D
[05:42] <noteventime> nah, ugly and bloated :)
[05:42] <noaXess> !tell neuron_ about mp3
[05:42] <marcreichelt> !tell marcreichelt mp3
[05:42] <CellarDoor> uhmm
[05:42] <neuron_> CellarDoor, hows it? :D
[05:42] <moopere> mhhrr
[05:42] <pm> amarok is the greatest multimedia app i've ever seen
[05:42] <imbrandon> take mp3 player wars to offtopic please
[05:42] <CellarDoor> nothing seems to have happened
[05:42] <Pitchshifter> hmmm
[05:42] <moopere> mmmmh
[05:42] <neuron_> amarok doesnt even have a decent playlist
[05:42] <h3sp4wn> Is there a qt version of xmms ?
[05:42] <Pitchshifter> !tell Pitchshifter about pie
[05:43] <marcreichelt> nevertheless my amaroK can't play any sound
[05:43] <marcreichelt> neither do realplayer or skype
[05:43] <Pitchshifter> dumb bot
[05:43] <v3ctor> you can't compare xmms and amarok...one is a media player, the other is a media managment system
[05:43] <noteventime> neuron_ :-O are you using 0.2beta?
[05:43] <pm> qt version of xmms + amarok :)
[05:43] <h3sp4wn> I know amarok is qt
[05:43] <neuron_> xmms0.2 beta?
[05:43] <neuron_> or amarok?
[05:43] <noteventime> amarok
[05:43] <neuron_> dunno, installed it with synaptic
[05:43] <noteventime> amaroK has the best playlist support since foobar2k
[05:43] <neuron_> but i removed id fast :D
[05:43] <marcreichelt> but other applications _can_ play sounds (like Kopete or VLC)
[05:44] <marcreichelt> what may be the problem?
[05:44] <neuron_> does amarok have a winamp style?
[05:44] <noteventime> marcreichelt, do you have mp3 codecs?
[05:44] <noteventime> neuron_ yes
[05:44] <marcreichelt> wahh
[05:44] <GeniusDex> it has a player window
[05:44] <marcreichelt> moment
[05:44] <noteventime> nauron_ enable small player i think it's called
[05:44] <neuron_> oh
[05:44] <noteventime> Like, press here if you want a crappier player :)
[05:44] <neuron_> i`ll give it a try
[05:44] <GeniusDex> settings -> show player window
[05:45] <CellarDoor> brb
[05:45] <neuron_> pitty winamps wasnt ported to linux
[05:45] <h3sp4wn> noteventime: foobar2k is considered to have the best sound quality of all the mp3 players (Sound quality is far more important than interface looks)
[05:45] <neuron_> winamp is  the best mp3 player ever!
[05:45] <CellarDoor> ooh I've just realised
[05:45] <EvilIdler> Winamp was ported, and it sucked
[05:45] <defrysk> marcreichelt, sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs
[05:45] <noteventime> h3sp4wn, Not if you have crapyy speakers like me
[05:45] <EvilIdler> Winamp is a resource hog, anyway.
[05:45] <CellarDoor> I havent installed any nvidia drivers
[05:45] <CellarDoor> :P
[05:45] <neuron_> yeah, but they stopped working on it
[05:45] <CellarDoor> that explains it
[05:46] <imbrandon> please take the mp3 player wars elsewere
[05:46] <GeniusDex> winamp was nice as 2.xx
[05:46] <noteventime> neuron_, Why do you like winamp?
[05:46] <GeniusDex> but 5.xx is a resource hog (and 3.xx plain sucked)
[05:46] <marcreichelt> haah, _that_ was the change from 5.10 to 6.06
[05:46] <marcreichelt> k
[05:46] <noteventime> GeniusDex, I second that
[05:46] <neuron_> couse its nice
[05:46] <Samuli^> h3sp4wn, the sound quality between players are vain at best.
[05:46] <marcreichelt> and what about skype and realplayer?
[05:46] <neuron_> simple to make a plugin, mmanage the playlist
[05:46] <marcreichelt> they worked before I installed (no update) 6.06
[05:46] <GeniusDex> realplayer for linux?
[05:47] <neuron_> view videos, it can even rip cds :D
[05:47] <ganymed> h3sp4wn: i have installed vpnc and i wanna use it without the "root" passwd
[05:47] <GeniusDex> i decided not to update to 6.06 yet
[05:47] <Samuli^> h3sp4wn, I'm saying that listening with 400$ headphones.
[05:47] <v3ctor> yes..reaplayer for linux
[05:47] <GeniusDex> it wants to remove KDE in the update :/
[05:47] <noteventime> GeniusDex, Realplayer for linux is nice
[05:47] <GeniusDex> yeah it is
[05:47] <neuron_> is there any im client that supports yahoo AND its last file transfer protocol?
[05:47] <GeniusDex> a shame mplayer doesn't play streams as well
[05:47] <mluser-work> Is it possible to setup knetworkmanager to not use kwallet to store passwords?
[05:47] <marcreichelt> real.com/linux
[05:47] <andred> neuron_: kopete does
[05:47] <andred> kopete 0.12 does
[05:47] <defrysk> marcreichelt, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats#head-7d2f38dce9f1934882f207ab2f4042f72033bf70
[05:47] <neuron_> the lates?
[05:47] <v3ctor> GeniusDex: what kind of streams?
[05:48] <neuron_> and photo sharing too?
[05:48] <andred> no
[05:48] <GeniusDex> streaming video
[05:48] <CellarDoor> Is there anything I need to install for my nvidia geforce 5200fx other than nvidia-glx ?
[05:48] <GeniusDex> it has issues with skipping in them mostly
[05:48] <neuron_> tried kopoet, worst im client i ever saw, and it didnt support the latest file transfer protcol ither
[05:48] <v3ctor> ahh
[05:48] <neuron_> either*
[05:48] <defrysk> marcreichelt, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Skype?action=show&redirect=SkypeHowto
[05:49] <yannux> hye everybody
[05:49] <noteventime> CellarDoor, nvidia restricted drivers but I think they are automatically installed
[05:49] <h3sp4wn> Samuli: I can tell the difference between different codecs on an m-audio delta 44 with 350 monitors
[05:49] <_rince_> re
[05:49] <CellarDoor> noteventime: nah they're not installed... installing them now
[05:49] <marcreichelt> hmm
[05:49] <marcreichelt> realplayer is working too now
[05:49] <defrysk> CellarDoor, you need to do nvidia-xconfig to setup x
[05:50] <marcreichelt> hmm...
[05:50] <defrysk> sudo nvidia-xconfig
[05:50] <CellarDoor> defrysk: hmm ok...
[05:51] <KubuntuInstallie> how can I get apt-get to list all packages that include the string "part"?
[05:51] <neuron_> KubuntuInstallie, install synapti
[05:51] <neuron_> c
[05:51] <yannux> I use the universal sidebar to quickly go on folder, but I would like that open everytime on the same Konqueror in other tab, even if is it on other desktop.
[05:51] <neuron_> synaptic*
[05:51] <yannux> is it possible ?
[05:51] <imbrandon> KubuntuInstallie: "sudo apt-cache seach part"
[05:51] <noteventime> kubuntuinstallie, apt-cache search part
[05:51] <KubuntuInstallie> thx
[05:52] <CellarDoor> thx defrysk
[05:52] <neuron_> !synaptic
[05:52] <ubotu> somebody said synaptic was https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto
[05:52] <Mongey> wheres kde's theme manager?
[05:52] <defrysk> CellarDoor, restart x to finish
[05:52] <DaSkreech> noteventime: Hmm I Had xvnc4.viewer installed already :-)
[05:52] <CellarDoor> np
[05:52] <CellarDoor> brb
[05:53] <Mongey> !kde
[05:53] <h3sp4wn> ganymed: I don't use vnc but freenx is an alternative (which I do use) that goes over ssh so does not require another port to be opened
[05:53] <GeniusDex> Mongey: you can select your themes and styles via the control center
[05:53] <Mongey> which is where?
[05:54] <GeniusDex> system settings in your K-menu
[05:54] <neuron_> is there any was of recording the desktop to a avi
[05:54] <neuron_> ?
[05:54] <neuron_> way*
[05:54] <marcreichelt> k
[05:54] <marcreichelt> all applications do work now :-)
[05:54] <marcreichelt> great
[05:54] <marcreichelt> thanks a lot
[05:54] <neuron_> CellarDoor, hows it? :D
[05:55] <pm> which is better? gentoo or kubuntu???
[05:55] <defrysk> pm both good
[05:55] <CellarDoor> neuron_: still nothing
[05:55] <GeniusDex> kubuntu :)
[05:55] <defrysk> CellarDoor, glxinfo |grep direct
[05:55] <GeniusDex> gentoo is only good if you can be arsed to wait for days while compiling everything
[05:55] <yannux> nobody known ?
[05:55] <neuron_> sis you modify your xconf?
[05:55] <neuron_> did*
[05:56] <CellarDoor> defrysk: direct rendering is a yes but I still dont have xgl
[05:56] <defrysk> CellarDoor, I dont care about xgl , nvidia works
[05:56] <pm> defrysk: wrong!!!!
 defrysk: direct rendering is a yes
[05:56] <defrysk> thatm eans its up ;)
[05:57] <noaXess> how can i see which sound card driver is active and enabled now?
[05:57] <pm> kubuntu is a wya better
[05:57] <pm> way*
[05:57] <defrysk> pm, sure if you say so
[05:57] <CellarDoor> defrysk: Im trying to get xgl up and running, just installed dapper and forgot to install nvidia-glx
[05:57] <beavis> can somone tell me how to run the printer wizard as root?? because i cant install the driver
[05:57] <pm> gentoo is for maniacs, kubuntu is for people
[05:57] <neuron_> CellarDoor, remember to modify your xconf
[05:57] <defrysk> CellarDoor, before glx you need nvidia up so continue now with your adventure :)
[05:58] <defrysk> xgl that is
[05:58] <beavis> xgl is the shit
[05:58] <beavis> without that my ati card wouldnt work
[05:58] <CellarDoor> neuron_: modify my xconf ? what do I need to put in there ?
[05:58] <beavis> can somone tell me how to run the printer wizard as root?? because i cant install the driver
[05:59] <CellarDoor> ty defrysk, I shall :)
[05:59] <yannux> erf :s
[05:59] <synmoo> beavis: O RLY? I'm getting ready to do an install on a machine with an X700 chipset.
[05:59] <pm> beavis: xgl is a shit for m$ shit lovers
[05:59] <neuron_> CellarDoor, well, first of all do sudo nano -w /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[06:00] <neuron_> then comment the lines that load GLcore and dri
[06:00] <beavis> m$? what else you gonna use for ati x800 series?
[06:00] <neuron_> and add Load "dlx"
[06:00] <neuron_> thats in the "Module" section
[06:00] <neuron_> Load "glx" sorry
[06:01] <CaBlGuY> ok, what app can I use to burn a DVD?
[06:01] <Mongey> is there a way to make ur windows 3d i thought i seen it somewhere
[06:01] <CellarDoor> neuron_: it already says load glx
[06:01] <taz_> is there a apt-get for some sort of developers package. Noticed this thing didnt have make and wondering if there is something that will grab all them common compilation tools.
[06:01] <CaBlGuY> Mongey:  u can try useing enlightenment...
[06:01] <neuron_> make sure in the "Driver" section you have Option          "RenderAccel"           "true"  and Driver          "nvidia"
[06:02] <neuron_> okay, then you wot need to modify it :D
[06:02] <neuron_> wont
[06:02] <Mongey> CaBlGuY: enligtenment?
[06:02] <GeniusDex> taz_: build-essential if i'm right
[06:02] <beavis> synmoo: yeah , if you have problems there is a good guide to get the driver
[06:02] <noaXess> how can i find out, which dev is used for my default sound?
[06:02] <CaBlGuY> Mongey:  yes, it's a desktop environment
[06:02] <CaBlGuY> !enlightenment
[06:02] <ubotu> enlightenment is, like, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=79155
[06:02] <taz_> GeniusDex: Seems to be working!
[06:02] <neuron_> xgl is up to you, i never installed it before :D today will be my first time :D
[06:03] <CaBlGuY> !burn DVD
[06:03] <ubotu> CaBlGuY: NO SPEAKE ENLISH! Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[06:03] <neuron_> hope it wont dissapoint me
[06:03] <GeniusDex> great :)
[06:03] <pm> actually, i don't mind, linux is a free os, you can use xgl if you like but for me xgl is unnecessary
[06:03] <CaBlGuY> so, anyone know what app I need to burn a DVD with?
[06:04] <pm> k3b
[06:04] <neuron_> all linux needs now is a touchable 3d hologram :D instead of a monitor :D
[06:04] <CaBlGuY> neuron_: , it's in the works.. ;-)
[06:04] <neuron_> well, i hope so :D
[06:05] <GeniusDex> i'd prefer a giant touchscreen on my desk tho :P
[06:05] <CaBlGuY> pm:  thnaks. ;)  forgot about that one..
[06:05] <amy_> hi
[06:05] <neuron_> cant wait to see a portable computer with hologram :D
[06:05] <neuron_> and preferably surround :D
[06:05] <v3ctor> i would prefer 7 trained monkeys to work my computer for me
[06:05] <neuron_> a big holo :D
[06:05] <CaBlGuY> seems theres always one for going backwords....  :o|
[06:06] <GeniusDex> i still don't see why an upgrade to dapper (from breezy with kde351 packages) wants to remove 379 packages :/
[06:06] <pm> CaBIGuY: you're welcome :)
[06:06] <GeniusDex> especially not considering it's about all of KDE it's removing
[06:06] <CellarDoor> neuron_: where should "RenderAccel" "true" be ?
[06:06] <CaBlGuY> *looks
[06:06] <neuron_> CellarDoor, in Section "Device"
[06:06] <GeniusDex> 1081 upgraded, 150 newly installed, 379 to remove and 24 not upgraded.
[06:06] <GeniusDex> sounds very not right to me :/
[06:06] <GeniusDex> anyone has a clue why?
[06:07] <neuron_> well, i wanna see xgl thru VR equipement :D
[06:07] <CaBlGuY> GeniusDex:  just do the upgrade, trust me. It's worth it..
[06:07] <GeniusDex> "oops i just fell in my trashcan"
[06:07] <GeniusDex> CaBlGuY: not if it removes my entire KDE :)
[06:07] <amy_> ok I am needing to know how to do a java plug in *am brand new to kde and linux
[06:07] <GeniusDex> then i'd rather reinstall
[06:07] <beavis> can somone tell me how to run the printer wizard as root?? because i cant install the driver
[06:07] <CaBlGuY> GeniusDex:  probably cuase dapper don't itilies those files any more..
[06:07] <CellarDoor> neuron_: hows this
[06:08] <CellarDoor> Section "Device"
[06:08] <CellarDoor>     Identifier     "NVIDIA Corporation NV34 [GeForce FX 5200] "
[06:08] <CellarDoor>     Driver         "nvidia"
[06:08] <CellarDoor>     RenderAccel    "true"
[06:08] <CellarDoor> EndSection
[06:08] <GeniusDex> CaBlGuY: i doubt it doesn't utilize the 'kde' or 'amarok' packages anymore :)
[06:08] <CaBlGuY> GeniusDex:  U will have to upgrade to K3.5 anyway..
[06:08] <GeniusDex> i run 3.5.1 already
[06:08] <neuron_> CellarDoor, add Option "NvAGP" "1"
[06:08] <noaXess> !sound
[06:08] <synmoo> GeniusDex: Perhaps instead of upgrading those packages, it's just removing the old and installing new
[06:08] <ubotu> Help to fix issues with sound can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems or http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoundProblemsHoary
[06:08] <synmoo> if you think you're going to have to reformat anyway
[06:08] <CellarDoor> neuron_: what does that do ?
[06:08] <synmoo> why not give the upgrade a shot
[06:08] <GeniusDex> synmoo: it ain't, i can't find anything in relation to amarok or the removed kde components in the new packages listing
[06:09] <synmoo> GeniusDex: perhaps they're bundled in a single package
[06:09] <GeniusDex> i don't have time for an entire reinstall this week tho
[06:09] <CaBlGuY> GeniusDex:  well there is the patches and stuff that dapper helps with. but, if u wanna live i the past, your more then welcome.. ;)
[06:09] <GeniusDex> synmoo: i'd be very surprised if so
[06:09] <neuron_> CellarDoor, it should boost performance, but i`m not realy sure
[06:09] <synmoo> GeniusDex: well it sounds like you've made your mind up. Why are we still discussing? :-)
[06:09] <GeniusDex> guess i'll have to give things a try next week
[06:10] <GeniusDex> i was trying to get a reason as to why the packages are being removed :)
[06:10] <CellarDoor> neuron_: hows this...
[06:10] <CellarDoor> Section "Device"
[06:10] <CellarDoor>     Identifier     "NVIDIA Corporation NV34 [GeForce FX 5200] "
[06:10] <CellarDoor>     Driver         "nvidia"
[06:10] <CellarDoor>     RenderAccel    "true"
[06:10] <CellarDoor>     NvAGP          "1"
[06:10] <CellarDoor> EndSection
[06:10] <GeniusDex> but i'll try somewhere next week
[06:10] <GeniusDex> after taking backups and everything
[06:11] <neuron_> i got BusID           "PCI:1:0:0" too, dont know what this does tho
[06:11] <neuron_> it should work
[06:11] <CellarDoor> neuron_: ok, here goes nothin
[06:11] <CellarDoor> brb
[06:11] <GeniusDex> neuron_: that BusID indicates the card is in the AGP bus
[06:11] <sdolnack> how can i edit permissions and be able to write files in my xp partition (/media/sda2)?
[06:11] <sdolnack> apart from a commandline
[06:11] <sdolnack> i wanna edit mp3 tags
[06:11] <GeniusDex> is it ntfs?
[06:11] <sdolnack> i think so
[06:12] <yannux> I' need some help with konqueror, does someone can help me ?
[06:12] <GeniusDex> then i think you're out of luck, the last time i checked on ntfs write support (which is a few months ago i must say) it was highly unstable and icncomplete
[06:12] <synmoo> I love kopete. Whenever I see it I always think of Kaopectate
[06:12] <yannux> :s
[06:12] <imbrandon> sdolnack: your only option is captive ntfs and thats not very stable / fast , google "captive ntfs"
[06:13] <sdolnack> wht exactly is the problem?
[06:13] <sdolnack> can linux read but not write to ntfs??
[06:13] <GeniusDex> indeed
[06:13] <synmoo> It can do both..
[06:13] <imbrandon> ntfs is not an open standard ;)
[06:13] <synmoo> but writing is unreliable
[06:13] <fek> sdolnack: write support is unstable and beta
[06:13] <sdolnack> how unreliable?
[06:13] <sdolnack> jeez
[06:13] <sdolnack> really
[06:13] <sdolnack> even for just editing mp3 tags, it's not safe?
[06:13] <imbrandon> sdolnack: very
[06:13] <fek> it will damage your partition
[06:13] <fek> sdolnack: no
[06:13] <synmoo> sdolnack: yeah. It will likely damage the partition.
[06:14] <fek> sdolnack: it's only a bit safe to rewrite hole files
[06:14] <sdolnack> jesus
[06:14] <fek> but not to c hange them
[06:14] <GeniusDex> if i'm right it can't update the file index tables in any way, so overwriting will work, but adding or removing even a single byte will break things
[06:14] <sdolnack> are they even really working on ntfs writing?
[06:14] <GeniusDex> they are
[06:14] <sdolnack> or is itjust kinda backburner
[06:14] <sdolnack> ahh
[06:14] <GeniusDex> i can remember notes in the kernel configuration menus of them working on it
[06:14] <synmoo> sdolnack: They are, but it isn't as easy as writing 'hello world!'
[06:14] <GeniusDex> but things go slow if they have to work by trial and error (thanks to some company in redmond)
[06:14] <amy_> ok I really need to know how to install java on here please
[06:14] <fek> lvm> lvextend -L +115G /dev/VolGroup00/LogVol00 /dev/hda3
[06:14] <fek>   Extending logical volume LogVol00 to 150,16 GB
[06:14] <fek>   Logical volume LogVol00 successfully resized
[06:14] <fek> ahh
[06:15] <fek> ECHAN
[06:15] <yannux> please help
[06:15] <sdolnack> how's Linux-NTFS?
[06:16] <GeniusDex> yannux: what with?
[06:17] <synmoo> here goes. First boot after installing Kubuntu amd64
[06:17] <synmoo> I know the video will error out.
[06:17] <yannux> GeniusDex: I use the universal sidebar to quickly go on folder, but I would like that open everytime on the same Konqueror in other tab, even if is it on other desktop.
[06:18] <GeniusDex> i wouldn't know the answer :)
[06:18] <yannux> GeniusDex: oki thanks ;)
[06:18] <GeniusDex> np :)
[06:19] <Shaezsche> is the linux-swap file supposed to be mounted? when i go into my storage directory i cannot access it, and it is not in use. is that normal?
[06:19] <pipitas> :q
[06:19] <JasonL> how come there is no kubuntu forum in ubuntuforums,org? is the forum now on the kubuntu site?
[06:19] <GeniusDex> Shaezsche: swap doesn't show up in your filesystem
[06:19] <Jack_Sparrow> How do I get access to my other linux ext3 partition and my fat partition?
[06:20] <sdolnack> so is there anything i can do to write ntfs w/o rebooting back into xp?  perhaps something in vmware?
[06:20] <Jack_Sparrow> I need to read and write to them
[06:20] <synmoo> As expected, video corrupted on boot with the ATI card. I assume I can boot into recovery mode to get into the shell to change my x11 config?
[06:20] <GeniusDex> Shaezsche: you can check if there is swap active using 'free -m'
[06:20] <GeniusDex> it should show a number bigger than 0 for total swap space
[06:21] <Jack_Sparrow> sdolnack: setup a fat32 partition that both Ku and XP can read and write to.
[06:21] <CellarDoor> ok that didn't go to well
[06:21] <GeniusDex> synmoo: can't you press ctrl+alt+F1 once booted to get to a console?
[06:21] <sdolnack> jack_sparrow--
[06:21] <sdolnack> hmm
[06:21] <Jack_Sparrow> yes
[06:21] <sdolnack> i guess I could, and put all my mp3's on it
[06:21] <Jack_Sparrow> Works just fine
[06:21] <GeniusDex> i have 3 fat32 partitions for data :)
[06:21] <sdolnack> but i'm terrified something would get corrupted, and at this point i don't have an external HD
[06:21] <Mongey> how do i stop a program
[06:21] <CellarDoor> neuron_: X hangs on startup now
[06:22] <Jack_Sparrow> Can you tell me how to get access to other drives and partitions?
[06:22] <GeniusDex> Mongey: one without a window?
[06:22] <Mongey> ye
[06:22] <GeniusDex> you can search for the process in the process manager (which can be opened with ctrl+escape)
[06:22] <Mongey> xdesktopwaves
[06:22] <GeniusDex> and press the big (non-red) kill button :)
[06:22] <Jack_Sparrow> sdolnack: Just start with a small one until you get comfortable
[06:22] <apokryphos> pm: we're not so tolerant here :)
[06:22] <CellarDoor> How do I change my xconf from a live CD ?
[06:23] <sdolnack> small what?
[06:23] <sdolnack> i don't even have enough space free to partition off a good 30 gigs for fat32
[06:23] <Jack_Sparrow> Small partition
[06:23] <CellarDoor> so I can boot my system again
[06:23] <sdolnack> but--let's say i get an external, for the sake of putting media on--it'd be wise to format it as fat32 and not ntfs?
[06:23] <synmoo> How do I redirect STDERR to null? My keyboard keeps pissing off atkbd. 'unknown key pressed' and I can't edit this damn config if that error keeps jumping on top
[06:23] <GeniusDex> indeed sdolnack
[06:23] <Shaezsche> ugh, the germans in kanotix are hard to talk to
[06:23] <GeniusDex> only downsize is the filesize is limited to 4 GB
[06:23] <Jack_Sparrow> Even if you only give up 3 or 4 gigs, you can share important files
[06:23] <GeniusDex> so no DVD images
[06:24] <sdolnack> damnit that sucks
[06:24] <sdolnack> wtf is with that
[06:24] <CellarDoor> help
[06:24] <sdolnack> so there is nothing that i can write w/ both windows and linux that can handle something over 4 gigs
[06:24] <Jack_Sparrow> Most rips are under 4
[06:24] <GeniusDex> not really
[06:24] <Shaezsche> my usb mouse is WAY too fast, how can i slow it down? the options in the control panel dont slow it enough
[06:24] <CellarDoor> I need to fix my xconf from this live CD so I can boot my system again
[06:24] <GeniusDex> thanks to the genius minds *cough* at microsoft
[06:24] <Bluemeus> hello
[06:24] <pm> apokryphos: are you a german?
[06:24] <GeniusDex> anyways
[06:24] <GeniusDex> dinner
[06:24] <GeniusDex> :)
[06:25] <Jack_Sparrow> The actual movie
[06:25] <imbrandon> sdolnack: there are ext2/ext3 drivers out there for windows to read ext2/3 partitions
[06:25] <Jack_Sparrow> not all the fluff, you could also use voc's
[06:25] <Jack_Sparrow> vcd divx
[06:26] <sdolnack> i truthfully don't use dvd images that much but would like to keep the option
[06:26] <sdolnack> open
[06:26] <Bluemeus> is anybody here who can tell me, why the suspend/hibernating-mode isn't runnig anymore since i installed wpa_supplicant?
[06:26] <CellarDoor> really would like some help here
[06:26] <sdolnack> then again, i can alway save them in windows and ACCESS them in linux if i'd need to
[06:26] <apokryphos> pm: read the /topic ; take offtopic talk to #kubuntu-offtopic
[06:26] <sdolnack> i wouldn't have to write them
[06:26] <jbirdAngel> what is a dummy package?
[06:26] <jbirdAngel> libwine and libwine-dev are dummy packages?
[06:27] <Jack_Sparrow> Can you tell me how to get read write access to other drives and partitions? (without trying to edit fstab)
[06:27] <CellarDoor> Jack_Sparrow: I'd really like to know that too
[06:27] <CellarDoor> so I can get at my xconf
[06:28] <CellarDoor> cause my system is hanging during startup
[06:28] <Jack_Sparrow> You can boot a live cd and edit it..
[06:28] <CellarDoor> I'm using a live cd now
[06:28] <synmoo> wow this is turning out to be quite the pain in the ass.
[06:28] <Jack_Sparrow> I use knoppix or Mepis that already have SU ability
[06:28] <sdolnack> what about the Paragon NTFS driver?
[06:29] <Jack_Sparrow> cellar which one KU
[06:29] <sdolnack> is that stable?
[06:29] <CellarDoor> I'm using the kubuntu live cd
[06:29] <Jack_Sparrow> Ah.. so we search for the same things..
[06:29] <JasonL> Is there a way to contact  the developers of Kubuntu to thank and congratulate them?
[06:29] <CellarDoor> exactly
[06:29] <Jack_Sparrow> so you just need to edit your one file from live..
[06:30] <CellarDoor> yes, so my pc is bootable again
[06:30] <Jack_Sparrow> one sec
[06:30] <jbirdAngel> i dont know if this will help either of you get access it will auto mount yoru partiitons and i think give you read write access
[06:30] <jbirdAngel> http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/diskmounter
[06:30] <Arawns> kubuntu is Ubuntu system whitout Gnome
[06:31] <Arawns> maybe the kernel and software is same ?
[06:31] <mrmist> hello again :)
[06:31] <mrmist> is it hard to get OGL to work in kubuntu ?
[06:31] <sdolnack> any word on the Paragon NTFS driver?
[06:31] <mrmist> I really want to have some drop-shadows from my window
[06:31] <v3ctor> unless you are running windows, most all NTFS writes are risky
[06:32] <neuron_> do i need to backup any files before i fresh install?
[06:32] <CellarDoor> I really dont want to have to start from scratch at this time of night
[06:32] <CellarDoor> I just need to be able to edit one file
[06:32] <jbirdAngel> how in terminal do i change directory to my desktop folder i cant get its location right i guess
[06:32] <neuron_> cd ~/Desktop
[06:33] <jbirdAngel> thanks
[06:33] <slow-motion> re
[06:33] <neuron_> np
[06:33] <apokryphos> neuron_: I'd back up /home and /etc
[06:33] <apokryphos> and /var
[06:33] <v3ctor> why /var ?
[06:34] <Bluemeus> is anybody here who can tell me, why the suspend/hibernating-mode isn't runnig anymore since i installed wpa_supplicant?
[06:34] <Bluemeus> my laptop frezzes by going into stand-by
[06:34] <CellarDoor> If I cant get help I'm going to have to reinstall
[06:34] <apokryphos> v3ctor: logs :P, and *some* applications keep configuration-files there
[06:34] <CellarDoor> this really sucks
[06:35] <apokryphos> !helpme
[06:35] <ubotu> If you do not actually ask a question, we cannot actually help you. :)
[06:35] <v3ctor> don't need the logs, and i would just backup the needed   config dirs...to save time and space
[06:35] <Bluemeus> is anybody here who can tell me, why the suspend/hibernating-mode isn't runnig anymore since i installed wpa_supplicant?
[06:35] <mrmist> How do I enable my nvidia card in kubuntu ?
[06:35] <imbrandon> !repeat
[06:35] <ubotu> Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly, if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you.  You can search https://help.ubuntu.com or http://wiki.ubuntu.com while you wait. Please give it 10 to 15 minutes before asking a second time, thanks.
[06:36] <imbrandon> mrmist: follow this page
[06:36] <Jack_Sparrow> I ran the script it says everything was mounted and ready but I dont see any drives or partitions in Konq
[06:36] <imbrandon> !nvidia
[06:36] <ubotu> [nvidia]  Help about installing the nVidia drivers on Ubuntu can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[06:36] <Bluemeus> k
[06:36] <Bluemeus> thx
[06:36] <synmoo> how do I stop x from starting? o
[06:36] <synmoo> trying to get the ati drivers installed
[06:37] <synmoo> but setting the video as vesa doesn't work either
[06:38] <CellarDoor> time for bed, I'll have to tackle this tomorrow
[06:38] <CellarDoor> nite all
[06:38] <noaXess> !java
[06:38] <ubotu> To install Java/Sun Java see Java on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats and also see !javadebs
[06:39] <armine> heyo all !
[06:40] <imbrandon> 'ello\
[06:40] <armine> howre you ?
[06:41] <nico8481> hi
[06:41] <taz_> Konqueror wont let me open up a folder for me. Just says unable to open.
[06:41] <taz_> But I can open it from console
[06:41] <jaims> hi
[06:42] <taz_> says can not enter the folder /mnt/hdb1
[06:42] <jaims> hs anyone been able to get skype with sound?
[06:42] <taz_> this is a ntfs partition
[06:43] <DaSkreech> yannux: Hi
[06:43] <DaSkreech> What were you asking?
[06:44] <june_starnight> hai
[06:44] <june_starnight> anybody here?
[06:44] <DaSkreech> GeniusDex: They probably weren't being used anymore
[06:44] <jaims> hi
[06:44] <june_starnight> anyone may help me?
[06:44] <jaims> maybe
[06:44] <defrysk> !anyone
[06:44] <ubotu> A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out? </hint>
[06:44] <june_starnight> i face a problem to connect to msn server.
[06:44] <DaSkreech> GeniusDex: Or they were being replaced by a new subsystem
[06:45] <june_starnight> i failed to connect to msn server by using kopete
[06:45] <synmoo> when running the live CD, where is the xorg.conf kept?
[06:45] <OdyX> june_starnight: no bug.. FEATURE !
[06:45] <synmoo> I can get video to work in that with the safe video boot
[06:45] <synmoo> I want to copy that to my hdd
[06:45] <synmoo> so I can start loading packages and get the ati drivers running
[06:45] <june_starnight> i am using kopete 0.11
[06:45] <nadya> Hi people! Has anybody of you ever burned an iso on a usb stick and installed a ubuntu version from it?
[06:45] <june_starnight> anyone may help me?
[06:46] <yannux> DaSkreech: the option in konqueror to open external links in a tab instead of a new window doesn't seem to work when calling konqueror from another desktop
[06:46] <june_starnight> nadya, nvr.
[06:46] <DaSkreech> yannux: You mean like Desktop 2?
[06:46] <MrSmile> nvr?!
[06:46] <yannux> yes,
[06:46] <MrSmile> Anyone has an idea where to look for it in the internet?
[06:47] <MrObvious> How do I set up my HP 3940 printer?
[06:47] <MrSmile> start cups
[06:47] <defrysk> june_starnight, you have evything setup to go ?
[06:47] <DaSkreech> yannux: And you want it to jump to the konqui you have open on Deskto p4?
[06:47] <yannux> DaSkreech:  for example, open a link from desktop 1 with konqueror on desktop 2,  konqueror open new window, not a tab
[06:47] <defrysk> like passwd and stuff
[06:47] <june_starnight> Odyx, no bug....?
[06:47] <beavis> are there any better apps then ktorrent?
[06:47] <imbrandon> azureus
[06:48] <armine> lol
[06:48] <cfraz89> ktorrent is better :)
[06:48] <defrysk> beavis, ktorrent2
[06:48] <yannux> DaSkreech: yes, new tab on desktop 4, I've already forced to have konqeuror on desktop 4, but It open new window inside of new tab when link is clicke in other desktop
[06:48] <OdyX> june_starnight: I meant that no beign able to connect to MSN is no bug.. It's a feature..
[06:48] <OdyX> june_starnight: that's a joke
[06:48] <beavis> yeah , its good but i dont like to mess with jave
[06:48] <armine> no I prefer ktorrent :p
[06:48] <beavis> java
[06:48] <yannux> DaSkreech: when i click link on desktop 4, it opens on new tab
[06:48] <DaSkreech> Ah :-) Not sure Maybe try #kde?
[06:48] <defrysk> ktorrent rules on my box
[06:48] <beavis> its slow
[06:48] <june_starnight> OdyX, i cant catch u.
[06:48] <defrysk> not here
[06:48] <defrysk> its light and never crashing
[06:49] <yannux> DaSkreech: nobody answer :)
[06:49] <june_starnight> OdyX, what do u mean?
[06:49] <OdyX> june_starnight: MSN is evil, so it's normal if you can't connect..
[06:49] <cfraz89> beavis: try ktorrent 2
[06:49] <OdyX> june_starnight: don't worry. I'm just joking...
[06:49] <DaSkreech> yannux: Be paitent :)
[06:49] <OdyX> june_starnight: but MSN works with my kopete...
[06:49] <june_starnight> defrysk, i nvr setup anything recently
[06:49] <june_starnight> OdyX, oic! what's ur version?
[06:49] <beavis> hmm ,ktorrent2?
[06:49] <cfraz89> its in beta
[06:50] <OdyX> june_starnight: it has always worked...
[06:50] <defrysk> june_starnight, rightclick the butterfly in kopere and go to on line no message and klick it
[06:50] <OdyX> june_starnight: I have 0.12.0
[06:50] <june_starnight> what server do u used?
[06:50] <jaims> bye
[06:50] <OdyX> june_starnight: Microsoft's
[06:50] <beavis> can i get it from a repository with apt-get?
[06:50] <cfraz89> i think a deb is on kde-apps
[06:50] <june_starnight> OdyX, how can i upgrade my kopete?
[06:50] <defrysk> there is a link to ktorrent2 on the forums
[06:51] <yannux> DaSkreech: yes ;)
[06:51] <defrysk> june_starnight, want a newer version ?
[06:51] <OdyX> june_starnight: are you up2date with KDE (i.e. you have 3.5.3) ?
[06:51] <june_starnight> defrysk, yup.
[06:51] <defrysk> http://www.ubuntu-zh.org/~freeflying/packages/kopete_0.12.0-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
[06:51] <june_starnight> Odyx, i am using kde 3.4
[06:51] <defrysk> june_starnight, enjoy
[06:51] <yannux> DaSkreech: someone ask same on the forum today :d
[06:52] <DaSkreech> Cool. Respond that you have the same issue. Lends credence and weight
[06:52] <june_starnight> defrysk, this is from china one izit?
[06:52] <OdyX> june_starnight: you under Dapper ?
[06:52] <defrysk> june_starnight, dunno but it rules on my box
[06:53] <yannux> DaSkreech: yes it's done :)
[06:53] <june_starnight> defrysk, how to install .deb?
[06:54] <defrysk> sudo dpkg -i blahblah.bed
[06:54] <defrysk> deb
[06:54] <synmoo> Why the hell, when I use the live CD and set the video to safe... will the video work just fine? But when I mount my hdd, and copy that same xorg.conf over... it doesn't? What the hell! The bootsplash finishes and the monitors just turn off.
[06:54] <taz_> Why cant I view the contents of a ntfs partition using konqueror
[06:54] <taz_> works fine in console
[06:54] <DaSkreech> Excellent :)
[06:55] <june_starnight> defrysk, thanks. i get it
[06:56] <JasonL> could someone help me please, when i end my current session i get sent to the usplash and nothing happens, no text, and the progress bar does not move
[06:56] <june_starnight> OdyX, i am using Breezy Badger
[06:57] <OdyX> june_starnight: well... it won't be possible to update "as is"...
[06:57] <defrysk> june_starnight, not sure if it works on breezy
[06:57] <OdyX> june_starnight: but it should "just wokr"
[06:57] <neuron_> hey, just installed dapper drake in about 10 mins :D
[06:57] <neuron_> but i have a problem
[06:57] <june_starnight> OdyX, ya!i had remember that i can connect at my office but cant at home now.
[06:57] <neuron_> cant change my screen res for more than 1024x768
[06:57] <june_starnight> defrysk, oic
[06:58] <OdyX> june_starnight: firewall ?
[06:58] <neuron_> whys that?
[06:58] <june_starnight> firewall?
[06:58] <june_starnight> i dun think so
[06:58] <june_starnight> i din set any firewall with my DesktopSecure
[06:59] <knubbe> is it possible to speed up kde somehow?
[06:59] <neuron_> any ideeas?
[06:59] <JasonL> neuron_ theres a wiki document on that
[06:59] <knubbe> after having just 3-4 applications open it gets slow...
[06:59] <defrysk> knubbe, get the latest version (for dapper only)
[06:59] <JasonL> search for "fix video resolution"
[06:59] <NoUse> knubbe how much memory do you have?
[06:59] <taz_> k figured out why I think. I permissions issue. but root cant run konqueror.
[06:59] <defrysk> taz_, kdesu konqueror
[06:59] <knubbe> defrysk: i just upgraded to dapper. maybe theres a later version available than the bundled one. ill have a look.
[07:00] <taz_> ah
[07:00] <defrysk> knubbe, yes there is
[07:00] <defrysk> look in kubuntu.com
[07:00] <knubbe> NoUse: 2gb ram, intel celeron 1.6ghz mobile. it's a laptop.
[07:00] <knubbe> NoUse: 1.5gb swap i think
[07:00] <JasonL> neuron_ https://wiki.kubuntu.org/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[07:00] <neuron_> what video player should i use?
[07:00] <knubbe> defrysk: ok.
[07:00] <defrysk> knubbe, its way faster (at least here it is)
[07:00] <neuron_> ty JasonL
[07:01] <knubbe> defrysk: oh, ok
[07:01] <JasonL> np
[07:01] <JasonL> anyone know why when I end  my session i get the usplash and nothing happens?
[07:01] <june_starnight> Is that MSN Messenger Server is messenger.hotmail.com?
[07:02] <defrysk> yes
[07:02] <june_starnight> defrysk, thanks.
[07:02] <defrysk> id = blahblah@hotmail.com
[07:03] <Leonin> I have a dual boot problem. I have to install winXP again, but if I do that the grub bootloader gets eaten by winXP startup. How do I logon to Kubuntu after that?
[07:03] <knubbe> defrysk: upgrading...
[07:04] <defrysk> knubbe, cool :)
[07:04] <Bazzi> Leonin: try with a live cd and do "grub install hdax" where x is your primary partition
[07:06] <gan|y|med> hi
[07:07] <gan|y|med> how do i use knetworkmanager.  it does not show me anything, no networks at all. iwconfig shows i am connected... any ideas?
[07:08] <neuron_> how do i restart x?
[07:08] <neuron_> kdm restart ?
[07:08] <Bazzi> neuron_ ctrl+alt+backspace
[07:08] <defrysk> ctrl alt backspace
[07:08] <neuron_> okay
[07:08] <june_starnight> defrysk, is that i can ping messenger.hotmail.com ?
[07:08] <trappist> or /etc/init.d/kdm restart
[07:08] <defrysk> june_starnight, ?
[07:10] <june_starnight> defrysk, i should can ping messenger.hotmail.com, izit?
[07:11] <JasonL> someone please help
[07:11] <june_starnight> JasonL?
[07:11] <defrysk> june_starnight, ping 207.46.104.20 messenger.hotmail.co
[07:11] <JasonL> i click logout then end current session
[07:11] <defrysk> m
[07:12] <defrysk> june_starnight, ping 207.46.104.20 messenger.hotmail.com
[07:12] <june_starnight> JasonL, and then?
[07:12] <defrysk> should work
[07:12] <JasonL> and i get the kubuntu splash screen, no white text, and the loading bar doesnt move
[07:12] <JasonL> i have to press the reset button on my pc to get out of it
[07:12] <defrysk> june_starnight, you should get this response  PING dp.msnmessenger.akadns.net (65.54.239.80) 56(124) bytes of data.
[07:14] <defrysk> june_starnight, also read http://www.bubble-media.com/cgi-bin/articles/archives/000037.html
[07:14] <gan|y|med> is it possible to use networkmanager with both static and non-static ip addresses?
[07:14] <defrysk> its ms oriented tho :s
[07:15] <JasonL> =( this is very annoying
[07:17] <DaSkreech> What does dd stand for?
[07:17] <neuron_> where can i find a how-to on installing xgl?
[07:17] <neuron_> chavo, you there?
[07:17] <DaSkreech> !xgl
[07:17] <ubotu> well, xgl is "XGL on Ubuntu: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CompositeManager - Join #ubuntu-xgl for all the XGL fun on Ubuntu systems.  Pretty videos on http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease/"
[07:17] <weedar> Anyone got tv-out working with a S3 Unichrome Pro video-card? Please say yes :)
[07:17] <gan|y|med> ciao
[07:18] <june_starnight> weedar, no. sorry.
[07:18] <weedar> oh well
[07:18] <jwat> anyone know how to get the "Administrator Mode" button to show up in System Settings?
[07:18] <DaSkreech> Ah data duplicator :) Thanks Google :)
[07:18] <JasonL> i guess no one knows how to sort my problem
[07:19] <DaSkreech> This is on Logout?
[07:19] <synmoo> looks like getting this running with an ati chipset just isn't going to happen.
[07:20] <Mongey> !3d
[07:20] <ubotu> Huh? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, Mongey
[07:20] <HamishTPB> hiya
[07:22] <HamishTPB> can anyone help me - just installed Kubuntu 6.06 and after an update went wrong my apt database is locked and even restarting doens't clear the lock. Is there a lockfile I can delete?
[07:24] <beavis> maybe its locked because youre not sudo or root?
[07:24] <bhna> HamishTPB: sudo apt-get install -f
[07:24] <HamishTPB> bhna: thanks - will try that
[07:24] <HamishTPB> beavis: not that - was using sudo adept and sudo apt-get etc
[07:24] <beavis> ok
[07:25] <h3sp4wn> HamishTPB: sudo rm /var/lib/apt/lists/lock
[07:25] <HamishTPB> bhna: your solution plus following what it told me next seems to have worked - thanks :)
[07:25] <DaSkreech> yannux: You good?
[07:25] <HamishTPB> thanks all for trying to help :D
[07:26] <yannux> DaSkreech:  bad :s
[07:26] <hele> Problems with two screens,  desktop get four times too big and i have scroll like mad to reach second screen. What should do?
[07:29] <synmoo> is there a way to manually set my tcp/ip settings via the shell? What about find my mac address?
[07:29] <Mongey> ive got a 3d thing from adept but how do i run it?
[07:30] <bhna> Mongey: 3d thing?
[07:30] <Mongey> sorry 3D desktop
[07:31] <h3sp4wn> synmoo: Have a look at ifconfig -a (to find out the mac addresses) and man interfaces to see how to setup your ip addresses (I can give you an example of how to do a static ip address if you like but I prefer to just use dhcp and set the router to always give the same ip
[07:34] <korottage> Hi, I've just installed kubuntu64 on my laptop, everything is lovely.  However when trying to run linux32 ./skype I get ./skype: error while loading shared libraries: libXcursor.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[07:34] <korottage> However, that lib exists
[07:34] <bhna> Mongey: http://desk3d.sourceforge.net/
[07:36] <neuron_> i`am having a problem doing sudo apt-key add -
[07:36] <neuron_> it doesnt seem t finish
[07:36] <korottage> http://uuoc.com/1471  shows the output of ldd, which says it's not finding the library file, however I've also copied it to the same dir as the rest, and ran ldconfig
[07:38] <neuron_> what could be wrong?
[07:38] <h3sp4wn> korottage: The only supported way of using 32 bit apps in 64 bit os is via chroot
[07:38] <korottage> could you elaborate
[07:39] <h3sp4wn> !schroot
[07:39] <ubotu> h3sp4wn: NO SPEAKE ENLISH! Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[07:39] <korottage> I mean, I've done it with apache for example, but ..
[07:39] <h3sp4wn> !debootstrap
[07:39] <neuron_> "sudo apt-key add -" doesnt seem to end
[07:39] <ultm8> hi everybody
[07:39] <ultm8> is this a place i can get help with kubuntu?
[07:39] <neuron_> yup
[07:39] <robotgeek> ultm8: yes
[07:39] <beavis> how can i creat an icon to my /home folder in the taskbar by the K icon
[07:39] <ultm8> hi robotgeek
[07:40] <h3sp4wn> korottage: You need to use debootstrap to created a 32 bit chroot - then you can use schroot to run apps from the chroot on the host system
[07:40] <Hawkwind> Anyone know if there is an Ultima 4 clone for Kubuntu ?  I know Mandriva which I come from has xu4 and xu4-data but I see nothing like that in apt-cache search.
[07:40] <ultm8> i have to say only just starting using kubuntu and am loving it, still a noobie but if a few people can help me out to get the ball rolling i will be greatful
[07:40] <bhna> beavis: drag and drop from konqueror
[07:40] <ultm8> Hi to everyone by the way
[07:41] <korottage> h3sp4wn: nice thanks!
[07:41] <mrmist> the official nvidia-drivers has some strange effects on my system
[07:41] <mlewis> hgfh
[07:41] <mlewis> hello
[07:41] <mrmist> The fonts suddenly got bigger everywhere
[07:42] <ultm8> hey can anyone give me a hint into registering on here so i can pm people ;o)
[07:42] <robotgeek> !register
[07:42] <ubotu> Information about registering your Freenode nick is at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#contents-userregistration
[07:43] <ultm8> !register
[07:43] <mrmist> how do I get the fps from glxgears again !?
[07:43] <ultm8> [18:43]  <ubotu> Someone already said that 7 seconds ago
[07:43] <beavis> bhna: thanks ,
[07:44] <beavis> linux if fun ,
[07:44] <beavis> frustrating sometimes
[07:45] <h3sp4wn> mrmist: glxgears -iacknowledgethatthistoolisnotabenchmark
[07:45] <mrmist> hehehehe
[07:45] <mrmist> nice oe
[07:45] <mrmist> one
[07:45] <jbirdAngel> crossover office isnt oss is it?
[07:46] <mrmist> I'm just testing the OGL implementation of my nv drivers
[07:46] <mrmist> Not benchmarking
[07:46] <h3sp4wn> The binary ones ?
[07:46] <mrmist> but then again... is there any good benchmarking of 3d in linux ?
[07:47] <frank__> mrmist: not sure maybe running UT2k4 becnhmarks
[07:47] <synmoo> Damnit! So close.. and yet so far. Got tcpip fixed, linux headers installed, gcc, go to compile the ati driver.... the setup gives me this GENERIC crap answer in the log... [Error]  Kernel Module : Failed to compile kernel module - please consult readme.
[07:47] <mrmist> on linux ?
[07:47] <mrmist> with wine then ?
[07:47] <frank__> mrmist: no UT is native to linux
[07:47] <mrmist> hmm
[07:47] <mrmist> got an URL ?
[07:47] <h3sp4wn> synmoo: Why are you trying to compile the ati driver ?
[07:48] <frank__> mrmist: you can get the demo version for free. I don't know how to run becnhmarks on it though
[07:48] <mrmist> hmm
[07:48] <ultm8> you think your having problems i still don't know how to register :( please help.  IRC noob
[07:48] <Desh> Important news, nVidia tries to mess up ATI cards on Linux!!
[07:48] <mrmist> ultm8: try "/msg NickServ help
[07:49] <Desh> How do I find out my motherboard's chipset?
[07:49] <synmoo> h3sp4wn: Because the included driver does not work. the monitors go blank as soon as X starts.
[07:49] <h3sp4wn> synmoo: The version in the repositories is the same version as you can download from ati.com
[07:49] <synmoo> h3sp4wn: to make it worse, I can't even get it to work with the vesa driver unless I'm using the live cd.
[07:49] <_JP> is it intentional that "show desktop" (using dapper + kde 3.5.3) leaves konversation visible if i select option "skip creating taskbar entry" from konversation settings?
[07:50] <JasonL> can kopete change the MSN PM message?
[07:50] <mrmist> Is about 2000 fps on glxgears any good at all ??
[07:50] <h3sp4wn> synmoo: You need to enable multiverse and install linux-restricted-modules-386 and xorg-driver-fglrx
[07:50] <frank__> mrmist: I find glxgears very unreliable. my fps can vary wildly with the same card
[07:51] <synmoo> h3sp4wn: is the multiverse the same as universe (which I have enabled)
[07:51] <ultm8> cool am registered i think :)
[07:51] <h3sp4wn> mrmist: It means hardware acceleration is working
[07:51] <mrmist> Anyhow... another question.. drop shadows on the windows in KDE... is it possible ?
[07:51] <h3sp4wn> synmoo: no
[07:51] <frank__> mrmist: to chek if 3d acceleration is working:   glxinfo | grep direct
[07:51] <synmoo> h3sp4wn: I am also running amd64, not 386
[07:51] <mrmist> it's "Yes"
[07:51] <frank__> mrmist: then 3D is working
[07:52] <mrmist> frank__: wee :)
[07:52] <h3sp4wn> synmoo: run uname -a (and whatever kernel you are using install the relevent restricted modules)
[07:52] <chavo> mrmist, yes you can get drop shadows
[07:52] <Desh> Ok, if there is a fix for my ATI card for nForce2 chipsets, and I have an nForce3 chipset, should I apply that fix anyways?
[07:52] <mrmist> chavo: know how ?
[07:52] <synmoo> should I just duplicate the universe line in sources.list and change it to multiverse?
[07:52] <h3sp4wn> Desh: What is the fix ? (I have an nforce2 which crashed on shutdown often)
[07:52] <chavo> mrmist, first you have to make sure that the composite extension is loaded in your xorg.conf
[07:52] <Desh> h3sp4wn: FOr the ATI 3d acceleration
[07:53] <Desh> h3sp4wn: If you have an nforce2 chipset motherboard or if your Xorg.0.log reveals troubles when initialising AGP, put this in the Device section of /etc/X11/xorg.conf: Option "UseInternalAGPGART" "no"
[07:53] <mrmist> chavo: All distros have the extension installed by default ?
[07:53] <ultm8> hi again everybody this is just a general question how do you install the latest ATI drivers in kubuntu?
[07:53] <chavo> mrmist, I don't thinks so
[07:53] <Desh> ultm8: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI
[07:53] <h3sp4wn> Desh: I thought you ment a patch for the fglrx kernel module - that should be fine (I use that anyway)
[07:53] <mrmist> does kubuntu then ?
[07:54] <Desh> h3sp4wn: Wait, you use what?
[07:54] <synmoo> h3sp4wn: should I just duplicate the universe line in sources.list and change it to multiverse?
[07:54] <chavo> I don't believe it does mrmist
[07:54] <ultm8> thanks desh your a star will have a look at the file :D brb
[07:54] <Desh> h3sp4wn: I have followed the steps of the HowTo but I still get mesa as my OpenGL
[07:54] <Desh> ultm8: No porblem
[07:55] <Desh> *problem
[07:55] <h3sp4wn> Desh: do cat /etc/modules (see whether fglrx is in there)
[07:55] <Desh> It is. I added it manually.
[07:55] <h3sp4wn> Is it in the output of lsmod ?
[07:55] <mrmist> chavo: it's the "libxcomposite1"package then !?
[07:55] <chavo> mrmist, no you just have to enable it in your xorg.conf
[07:56] <h3sp4wn> synmoo: just add multiverse to every line with universe in and it will be fine after sudo aptitude update
[07:56] <Desh> h3sp4wn: fglrx                 388908  0
[07:56] <Desh> Where is Xorg.0.log?
[07:56] <mrmist> hmm
[07:56] <h3sp4wn> Desh: /var/log
[07:56] <Desh> Thanks. :)
[07:57] <h3sp4wn> Desh: I would use that line anyway in the device "fglrx" section of /etc/X11/xorg.conf (Option      "UseInternalAGPGART" "no")
[07:57] <chavo> mrmist, look for something like this in your /etc/X11/xorg.conf -> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15319
[07:57] <mrmist> chavo: it wouldn't be an idea to install xgl instead ?
[07:57] <h3sp4wn> Desh: Driver "fglrx" sorry
[07:57] <Desh> h3sp4wn: Yeah, I am checking the log just in case but I will probably add it, thanks. :)
[07:58] <chavo> mrmist, sure you could try it
[07:58] <mrmist> chavo: isn't it any good yet ?
[07:58] <chavo> it's still a little buggy but I use it
[07:59] <mrmist> I'll try rebooting then
[07:59] <mrmist> bbl
[08:01] <mrmist> chavo: it worked :) hurray :D
[08:01] <Desh> h3sp4wn: umm, I have to Device sections and both have a Driver "fglrx" section
[08:02] <h3sp4wn> Desh: Are you using two screens ?
[08:02] <Hawkwind> Anyone know if there is an Ultima 4 clone for Kubuntu ?  I know Mandriva which I come from has xu4 and xu4-data but I see nothing like that in apt-cache search.
[08:03] <h3sp4wn> Hawkwind: Did you ever finish ultima IV ?
[08:03] <Desh> h3sp4wn: No
[08:03] <Hawkwind> h3sp4wn: I finish it about every 2 - 3 days currently :P
[08:03] <JasonL> yay, i found how to set msn PMs
[08:03] <Hawkwind> I play it every single day of my life :)
[08:04] <h3sp4wn> Hawkwind: I had it on sega master system - managed to get all the stones / characters and stuff just never finished the abyss
[08:05] <h3sp4wn> Desh: Does you graphics card have two outputs ?
[08:05] <Desh> h3sp4wn: can I PM you both sections? it's not very long.
[08:05] <Hawkwind> h3sp4wn: Heh.  I've been playing since it first came out in 1984 on the Commodore 64.  I still have a copy for the C64 I still play quite a bit :)
[08:05] <cbglasgow> playing what
[08:05] <h3sp4wn> Desh: Ok
[08:05] <Hawkwind> cbglasgow: Ultima 4
[08:06] <cbglasgow> oh
[08:06] <Hawkwind> I'm looking for a version of it for Kubuntu
[08:06] <Hawkwind> But I can't seem to find one.  Looks like I might have to compile it from sourceforge
[08:06] <cbglasgow> i got a question....anyone else have trouble playing DVDs with Kaffeine?
[08:07] <robotgeek> cbglasgow: have you installed libdvdcss?
[08:07] <cbglasgow> no, why would i need that?
[08:07] <cbglasgow> to unscramble css?
[08:07] <DaSkreech> To play DVDs
[08:07] <DaSkreech> Right ;_)
[08:07] <synmoo> h3sp4wn: rebooting. Here goes nothing.
[08:07] <cbglasgow> how do i get it?
[08:08] <DaSkreech> :-)
[08:08] <synmoo> h3sp4wm: holy sh*t if effin works.
[08:08] <cbglasgow> Daskreech, how do i get libdvdcss?
[08:09] <synmoo> h3sp4wn: thanks for the help!
[08:09] <jwat> how do you open another user's Desktop folder with Konqueror.  I get permissions errors when I try
[08:10] <DaSkreech> ubotu: tell cbglasgow about DVD
[08:10] <DaSkreech> jwat: You aren't allowed to play around in oter people's home folders
[08:11] <jwat> bah!  what about administrators
[08:11] <cbglasgow> thanks alot Daskreech
[08:11] <jwat> how do I copy a file from my desktop to another user's desktop?
[08:11] <DaSkreech> Sure
[08:11] <DaSkreech> jwat: If you are an admin you can help yourself to the rights
[08:11] <DaSkreech> try sudo cp
[08:12] <jwat> did that.  I can't list the files in the dir
[08:12] <Chousuke> get a root shell
[08:12] <Chousuke> do sudo -s
[08:12] <jwat> Booya!
[08:14] <DaSkreech> remember Don't use this for evil!
[08:14] <DaSkreech> With Great power comes great responsibility andusually a silly spandex suit
[08:14] <zAo^> is there a way to use the "back" button on my mouse without evdev?
[08:16] <Desh> How do you see what kernel you are running?
[08:16] <Desh> grep | ???
[08:17] <h3sp4wn> uname -a
[08:17] <Desh> Ah ok, thanks.
[08:18] <kronoz> uname -r
[08:18] <kronoz> specifically
[08:18] <DaSkreech> lsb_release -a
[08:20] <DaSkreech> Why was the name of OO.o changed?
[08:21] <neuron_> chavo: any chance of you being there?
[08:21] <chavo> yes I'm here
[08:21] <neuron_> yay
[08:22] <neuron_> i finaly updated to dapper
[08:22] <chavo> cool
[08:22] <neuron_> and installed xgl
[08:22] <neuron_> but it freezes when i login
[08:22] <neuron_> and the windows have no borders, or titlebars
[08:22] <DaSkreech> kwin isn't running
[08:23] <neuron_> i`m in a failsafe terminal rigt now
[08:23] <noteventime> neuron_: gnome-window-manager
[08:23] <gan|y|med> hallo
[08:23] <chavo> neuron_, alright well first off did you enable the quinstorm repos?
[08:23] <chavo> because the stuff in ubuntu repos is pretty old
[08:23] <neuron_> i folowed the howto on the forum
[08:23] <neuron_> w8 a sec, let me see if i find the link
[08:24] <neuron_> !xgl
[08:24] <ubotu> well, xgl is "XGL on Ubuntu: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CompositeManager - Join #ubuntu-xgl for all the XGL fun on Ubuntu systems.  Pretty videos on http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease/"
[08:24] <knoppix> hi all
[08:24] <Drakeson> when it will be possible to have a (broken) kde4 desktop through apt-get?
[08:25] <DaSkreech> Drakeson: Soon as you roll a deb :-)
[08:25] <chavo> neuron_, I'm updatin the kubuntu wiki today-> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/CompositeManager/InstallingCompiz?highlight=%28compiz%29
[08:25] <DaSkreech> However I doubt that woud be possible even through Edgy's life cycle
[08:26] <neuron_> this is whai i folowed: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=845077
[08:26] <Drakeson> DaSkreech: it is possible to get qt4 and some development stuff now
[08:26] <neuron_> what*
[08:26] <DaSkreech> Yeah
[08:26] <neuron_> i did exactly what i said there
[08:26] <DaSkreech> http://planet.kde.org
[08:26] <Drakeson> I just don't know how to build (yet)
[08:27] <DaSkreech> they have had a couple of the devs mentioning that you can have KDE up and running with all qt4 stuff since last week
[08:27] <chavo> neuron_, ok so xgl is running?
[08:27] <DaSkreech> Drakeson: Wait KDE4 or just qt4?
[08:27] <Drakeson> DaSkreech: KDE4
[08:27] <neuron_> well
[08:28] <Hawkwind> Anyone have a how-to for doing twinview with Nvidia in Kubuntu by chance ?
[08:28] <Drakeson> yeah, I read planet of course
[08:28] <douglas_> Do you always have to run make install to run a binary or can you just find the binary after you ran make and try it out? I want to try out kdevelop 3.4 beta 1 but I don't want to install it. I'm building it right now.
[08:28] <neuron_> when i login, i sometimes see some efects, but windows have no borders or titlebars and nothing works
[08:28] <chavo> ok
[08:28] <Hawkwind> I'm about to make the switch of my main OS to Kubuntu from Mandriva and was wondering if I could keep my same xorg.conf file ?
[08:28] <gan|y|med> does anybody know of significant changes from php4 to 5?
[08:28] <DaSkreech> Drakeson: Yup you can get it running
[08:28] <kronoz> Hawkwind, maybe
[08:28] <Drakeson> DaSkreech: how?
[08:28] <DaSkreech> Drakeson: It's the same thing as KDE 3.5.3 though
[08:29] <h3sp4wn> Hawkwind: You are better off just saving it somewhere and manually applying the changes
[08:29] <DaSkreech> No difference yet
[08:29] <kronoz> Hawkwind, why do you need to? nvidia/ati drivers?
[08:29] <DaSkreech> Except the libraries
[08:29] <neuron_> chavo: so what could the problem be?
[08:29] <Hawkwind> kronoz: I run Nvidia on this box and I use dual/twinview monitors
[08:29] <chavo> neuron_, open up a konsole and try running gnome-window-decorator
[08:29] <Hawkwind> kronoz: So once I have the Nvidia drivers installed, I need to setup both monitors
[08:29] <Drakeson> DaSkreech: that's enough for me to begin
[08:30] <neuron_> well, i`m in failsafe right now
[08:30] <Drakeson> just don't dare to build the thing at first place
[08:30] <neuron_> that didnt do enything
[08:30] <neuron_> i didnt respect that order of commands
[08:31] <neuron_> i did apt get install xx yy zz
[08:31] <kronoz> Hawkwind, the is a config dialog for dual screen in the Dispaly KControl module in Kubuntu
[08:31] <kronoz> s/the/there
[08:31] <chavo> neuron_, no errors in the console?
[08:31] <neuron_> and while they were installing i modified xorg,con and the other files
[08:31] <Hawkwind> kronoz: Ah ok.  Guess I'll have to use KDE for a few minutes :(  Ughhh
[08:31] <neuron_> chavo: nope, it doesnt output anything
[08:31] <DaSkreech> Drakeson: http://people.fruitsalad.org/adridg/bobulate/index.php?/archives/221-My-pre-pre-alpha-desktop.html
[08:31] <DaSkreech> That's a good place to start
[08:32] <kronoz> Hawkwind, you don't like kde why are you wanting kubuntu
[08:33] <chavo> Hawkwind, you can use the same xorg.conf
[08:33] <Hawkwind> kronoz: I hate Gnome even less.  I use E17
[08:33] <Hawkwind> kronoz: I don't mind KDE, just I prefer E17 once I can get it installed
[08:34] <kronoz> Hawkwind, ah cool
[08:34] <Hawkwind> chavo: So I can replace the one that Kubuntu makes for me with the one from my Mandriva backups and I won't have any issues ?
[08:34] <Drakeson> DaSkreech: I have almost no knowledge of the build system (cmake) and that's a barrier of entry for me now. If one of the devs would be generous and setup a deb + deb-src I would be _very_ happy
[08:34] <chavo> Hawkwind, yeah as long as it's not a very old version of X on there
[08:34] <Drakeson> DaSkreech: nevermind ;)
[08:34] <zoohouse> f
[08:34] <DaSkreech> :-)
[08:34] <Hawkwind> chavo: No.  It's 6.9 as Mandriva 2006 is pretty current
[08:34] <chavo> Hawkwind, back up the original one first, just in casew
[08:35] <chavo> yeah that'll work, you amy have to check the FILES section though
[08:35] <neuron_> brb, restarting x
[08:36] <chavo> Hawkwind, just compare them first or paste the Files section from your kubuntu xorg.conf into your mandriva
[08:36] <_jwat> anyone know how to correct this "Unlocking Failed" error when switching between sessions?
[08:36] <DaSkreech> Really if you want to play with that you should hang around #debian (unfriendly) or #kde (inert) :-)
[08:36] <Hawkwind> chavo: Yeah if it doesn't work I'll have the original as a backup none the less :)
[08:36] <chavo> yes
[08:37] <zoohouse> Is there an app out there for keeping track of USA Treasury Bonds?
[08:38] <Hawkwind> chavo: Do you run twinview with Nvidia on Kubuntu by chance ?
[08:38] <chavo> Hawkwind, yes
[08:38] <Drakeson> ubuntu is almost debian-unstable_branch-friendly ;)
[08:38] <Hawkwind> chavo: Would you mind putting your xorg.conf in pastebin for me so I can have a copy to look at ?
[08:39] <chavo> sure just a sec
[08:39] <chavo> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15324
[08:39] <Hawkwind> chavo: Many thanks
[08:39] <h3sp4wn> Drakeson: What do you mean ?
[08:39] <Drakeson> the irc channel I mean
[08:40] <chavo> I'm working on an app that let's you pastebin from klipper, that's how I pasted it so quick :)
[08:40] <comp241> hi all
[08:40] <Hawkwind> chavo: So 1280x1024 on one monitor, and 1440x900 on the other ?
[08:40] <chavo> Hawkwind, I've got a 19" and a 19" widescreenh
[08:40] <h3sp4wn> Drakeson: I want #ubuntu+1 to reopened there is less in it and its usually more interesting questions
[08:40] <comp241> I'm a fairly new linux user and seem to have messed up my kubuntu boot process...  is this the right place to ask for help?
[08:40] <Hawkwind> chavo: Very nice!  Both of mine only do up to 1024x768 as they are 15"
[08:41] <Hawkwind> But I can't live without dual monitors since I went to at Christmas
[08:41] <ahmeni> Anyone here gotten LIRC to work with the current kernel?
[08:41] <h3sp4wn> Drakeson: Some of the debian unstable are pretty helpful if you ask sensible questions (and have searched for it)
[08:42] <Drakeson> h3sp4wn: edgy is a bit young for that, I assume ;)  maybe a matter of 1-2 month(s)
[08:42] <h3sp4wn> Drakeson: You can get the edgy kernel now from the git repository
[08:43] <Drakeson> yes, but ubuntu is more friendly even to my grandma ;)
[08:43] <comp241> Anyone knowledgeable about the boot process and might be able to help a noob?
[08:43] <DaSkreech> h3sp4wn: after UBZ
[08:43] <chavo> h3sp4wn, #ubuntu+1 is alive
[08:43] <chavo> well relatively
[08:43] <Sc[_] tt> good afternoon all
[08:44] <h3sp4wn> Thats good (I was forwarded to #ubuntu this morning)
[08:44] <DaSkreech> comp241: This is the right place to ask in general
[08:44] <comp241> thx
[08:44] <chavo> yeah and the edgy repos are alive also
[08:44] <comp241> I'm getting the following: run-init: /sbin/init: error 80
[08:44] <comp241> Then a Kernel Panic (tried to kill init)
[08:44] <comp241> It has me stumped...  I tried google but got nothing.
[08:44] <Drakeson> chavo: they are 2.6.16 ?
[08:45] <chavo> no kernerl upgrades yet
[08:45] <DaSkreech> comp241: When did this happen?
[08:45] <DaSkreech> chavo: Course that means you can install it on the PS3 when it comes out :)
[08:45] <comp241> I ran adept and did a full upgrade which gave me a new kernel.  Rebooted and voila.
[08:45] <DaSkreech> Cell suppport :)
[08:45] <comp241> I probably messed something up (I'm a klutz) but I don't know what.
[08:45] <chavo> comp241, sorry wasn't talking to you
[08:46] <DaSkreech> chavo: I was
[08:46] <Sc[_] tt> on any usa server i try to dl the alternate iso, it gets about 20 mb then it drops me "connection reset by server"... i've tried three internet connections and 3 different boxes, the same thing, any ideas?  i'm now dl'ing it from uk, but that'll take 3 days and a case of oreos to wait for it, instead of the 30 minutes from a us server
[08:46] <h3sp4wn> chavo: I am not foolish enough to try running it yet I don't think
[08:46] <chavo> h3sp4wn, I've got another partition set up for it, updating in a chroot right now
[08:47] <h3sp4wn> chavo: Is there an edgy version of debootstrap then ?
[08:47] <h3sp4wn> chavo: Or did you just manually add it
[08:47] <crimsun> you have to --override-config
[08:48] <crimsun> the debootstrap package hasn't been updated yet
[08:48] <neuron_> chavo: i`m still having problems, the display manager seems to crash
[08:48] <drcurl> hi
[08:48] <neuron_> the screen is full of nonresponding windows
[08:48] <chavo> neuron_, ok let's back up a little
[08:49] <drcurl> there is no more multiverse commented entry in dapper?
[08:49] <chavo> neuron_, waht card do you have again?
[08:49] <neuron_> i got a taskbar in failsafe now tho, but still now titlebar/borders
[08:49] <neuron_> okay, wait a sec
[08:49] <h3sp4wn> crimsun: thx
[08:49] <drcurl> Can I just copy the universe entry and replace universe by multiverse?
[08:49] <drcurl> in adept?
[08:50] <neuron_> chavo: where could i get the card name string from?
[08:51] <Sc[_] tt> 8% ater 2 hours wooohoo, i'm movin along now!
[08:52] <jwat> so...anyone know anything about the "Unlocking failed" error when attempting to unlock a locked session?
[08:52] <neuron_> chavo: this is hat ive got GeForce4 Ti 4200
[08:52] <neuron_> well, i gtg to eat now, i`ll brb
[08:52] <chavo> neuron_, alright that should work
[08:52] <comp241> Anyone have any ideas about my boot problem?  run-init: /sbin/init: error 80?
[08:53] <chavo> ok I'll be around for a little while
[08:54] <comp241> Well, if anyone thinks they may be able to help, please let me know.
[08:55] <amy_> I have a question
[08:55] <amy_> I just installed the new kubuntu
[08:55] <amy_> and am needing to know where to go to get programs and how to install them
[08:55] <mrmist> I'm having problems with the i686 kernel on a "Centrino Duo Core" processor
[08:55] <amy_> I am needing a advanced graphic editor
[08:55] <kkathman> amy_:  its done through adept
[08:56] <kkathman> K-menu, system, adept
[08:56] <amy_> ok
[08:56] <chavo> amy_, you should have kate, which is pretty nice
[08:56] <DaSkreech> drcurl: Yes
[08:56] <Drakeson> amy_: does inkscape do for you?
[08:56] <chavo> oh graphic my bad
[08:56] <kkathman> amy_:  but if you need a graphics editor, i.e. for pictures...try Krita...for text...try Kate
[08:57] <DaSkreech> amy_: You may want to try kate :)
[08:57] <shawn__> ive installed azureus and sun-java5-bin via apt but it wont start:
[08:57] <DaSkreech> Oh wait Graphic :-)
[08:57] <shawn__> Starting Azureus...
[08:57] <shawn__> Java exec not found in PATH, starting auto-search...
[08:57] <shawn__> ls: /usr/java: No such file or directory
[08:57] <shawn__> OOPS, unable to locate java exec in  /usr/java/  hierarchy
[08:57] <shawn__> You need to upgrade to JRE 1.4.x or newer from http://java.sun.com
[08:57] <kkathman> Krita
[08:57] <slow-motion> re
[08:57] <shawn__> ... any idea?
[08:57] <kkathman> amy_:  you can also try GIMP if you wish also, but its a bit counter intuitive :)
[08:57] <mrmist> amy_: Gimp is the most Photoshop-like program I think
[08:58] <amy_> ok
[08:58] <kkathman> its NOT like Photoshop..lets not kid ourselves :)
[08:58] <kkathman> but its the closest thing...within a few million miles :)
[08:58] <mrmist> amy_: A bit strange GUI on GIMP though... I wish someone would make a better "theme" for it
[08:58] <mrmist> hehe... yeah, I guess. I don't like the "floating frame" gui
[08:58] <kkathman> mmist thats why I suggested Krita to her...a bit easier interface
[08:59] <v3ctor> i find gimp very easy to use...but i have never used photoshop
[08:59] <drcurl> thanks Drakeson
[08:59] <Drakeson> amy_: if you are looking to replace photoshop currently gimp can do it. if you need something for vector graphics you better use inkscape now
[08:59] <camX> Hi Kubuntus I just installed Kubuntu
[08:59] <mrmist> Alternatively one could run photoshop with WINE
[08:59] <kkathman> v3ctor:  a bicycle is a great mode of transportation if you havent got a ferrari
[08:59] <chavo> me too I like the Gimp, but then again I'm not a pro graphics guy
[09:00] <kkathman> gimp might be too much for a person that's "Just installed Kubuntu"
[09:00] <uniq> camx: hi, congratulations, how do you like it?
[09:00] <camX> I want to run a vt100 emulator - any ideas ?
[09:00] <v3ctor> kkathman: ferrari is a waste of time to go 2 blocks
[09:00] <chavo> but I've been using it for years
[09:00] <kkathman> v3ctor:  but if you had it, you would :)
[09:00] <kkathman> hehe
[09:00] <kkathman> you KNOW you would :)
[09:00] <comp241> Sorry to be a pest but anyone have an idea about my run-init: /sbin/init: error 80 problem?
[09:00] <camX> uniq, very smooth install
[09:00] <v3ctor> doubt it...i don;t like cars
[09:00] <v3ctor> they are a waste of money
[09:00] <aseigo> it's not so much that photoshop is a ferrari it's that it doesn't require you to smash your fingers in the door to turn the motor on
[09:01] <amy_> ok
[09:01] <amy_> I just couldn't stand windows anymore and had tried kubuntu a year ago and decided ti was time to go back to it
[09:01] <kkathman> oh..well I'd say you might be a bit counter-culture then and GIMP would be the tool for you :)
[09:01] <uniq> camx: use konsole.
[09:01] <rverrips> Hiyee - I'm having problems setting up KMAIL (i.e Kontact) to see my folders on a courier-imap server - They show as subfolders of INBOX, and no messages in them, even though I've setup INBOX. as the personal namespace?
[09:01] <drcurl> what about krita?
[09:01] <uniq> camx: great. glad you like it :)
[09:01] <v3ctor> lol
[09:01] <Drakeson> hi aseigo
[09:01] <camX> uniq: how do I dial my university
[09:02] <aseigo> krita is great for basic tasks... it's absolutely rocketted along in the last 18 months, though ... i expect 2.0 to be pretty much everything i'd need =)
[09:02] <aseigo> Drakeson: yo
[09:02] <Desh> h3sp4wn: Do you have 3d acceleration?
[09:02] <uniq> camx: i wouldn't know, as i don't know how your university setup is.
[09:02] <h3sp4wn> Desh: yes
[09:02] <v3ctor> i have been trying to use krita a lot lately..it is not bad
[09:02] <JasonL> can someone please help with my problem
[09:02] <camX> uniq: I need to run a screen editor through a direct dial modem connection
[09:02] <uniq> jasonl: what is your problem?
[09:02] <Desh> h3sp4wn: Well, can you PM me what the output of fglrxinfo is for you?
[09:03] <JasonL> ok, when i try and end the session, i get back to the kubuntu screen with the blue loading bar and white text
[09:03] <uniq> camx: i have no experience with that kind of setup. sorry.
[09:03] <Drakeson> currently gimp is better to use and if you customize the keybindings it can be acceptable, but in the future krita is a strong competitor
[09:03] <JasonL> but there is no white text, and the loading bar does nothing
[09:03] <drcurl> aseigo, I was wondering, what kinda editor do a top KDE dev use to code, kate?
[09:03] <aseigo> camX: minicom
[09:03] <DaSkreech> amy_: Welcome!
[09:03] <amy_> prety much what I am needing is crw image conversion to jpeg and a better format of printing
[09:04] <amy_> ty
[09:04] <JasonL> the only thing i can do is reset my pc
[09:04] <aseigo> drcurl: i use vim and kwrite, depending on my mood =)
[09:04] <aseigo> drcurl: a lot of us use just emacs or vim though
[09:04] <uniq> jasonl: yes, the one you see at boot?
[09:04] <DaSkreech> See the fact I have no idea waht crw images are means I should step out of this convo :)
[09:04] <JasonL> yes
[09:04] <JasonL> and shutdown
[09:04] <Drakeson> amy_: I am not sure but convert might help you (a command line)
[09:04] <amy_> canon raw photos
[09:04] <JasonL> where all the process are started and ended
[09:05] <JasonL> not the one where kde is loading
[09:05] <ultm8> dam how to register again
[09:05] <DaSkreech> amy_: You may want to look at digikam
[09:05] <uniq> jasonl: yes. it's called usplash.
[09:05] <uniq> ubotu: tell ultm8 about register
[09:05] <Desh> h3sp4wn: besides the instructions on the ati HowTo and that line you added, was there anything else you did?
[09:05] <Drakeson> aseigo: oh! I could have betted that you use emacs
[09:05] <JasonL> i thought it might be
[09:05] <aseigo> camX: it's a console app that does what you need rather well
[09:05] <amy_> ok
[09:05] <JasonL> but why does it just hang there when i end my current session
[09:05] <aseigo> Drakeson: personally, i hate emacs *shudder*
[09:06] <JasonL> why am i not taken to the login screen
[09:06] <camX> aseigo: thanks I try it
[09:06] <DaSkreech> aseigo: vi>
[09:06] <aseigo> camX: you may need to run it with `sudo minicom` (at least the first time) when it first starts up hit ctrl+a then 'z'
[09:06] <h3sp4wn> Desh: No that was when I was using the ubuntu kernel (I am now using a rt patched version of 2.6.16) I added the ubuntu version of highmem.h to the ati installer source (It was a pretty ugly hack)
[09:06] <aseigo> camX: that will get you to the configuration and help 'window'
[09:07] <h3sp4wn> Desh: With 2.6.15 it worked fine
[09:07] <uniq> jasonl: did you try to hit ctrl+alt+f7 ?
[09:07] <Desh> h3sp4wn: So for my 2.6.15 it should work fine?
[09:07] <JasonL> no
[09:07] <JasonL> what does that do?
[09:07] <ultm8> desh you there?
[09:07] <Desh> h3sp4wn: Maybe if I turned off Video overlay and used OpenGL overlay?
[09:08] <h3sp4wn> Desh: I am using the opengl overlay
[09:08] <h3sp4wn> Desh: I think that is what it defaults to if neither of those two lines are present
[09:08] <uniq> jasonl: that changes to KDM if it's running. KDM is the login manager. where you login.
[09:08] <JasonL> how come it does not do it automatically though
[09:08] <ultm8> am confused desh
[09:08] <Drakeson> aseigo: I had a few questions, I can remember just one now. I can guess that you have considered various things for saving desktop sessions. is there a chance that we get a svg-like format for the desktop?
[09:09] <Desh> ultm8: PM me
[09:09] <neuron_> abak
[09:09] <neuron_> back
[09:09] <ultm8> i registered but says i can private message until i registe
[09:09] <ultm8> r
[09:09] <neuron_> so, what could be the problem?
[09:09] <uniq> ultm8: did you identify to nickserv?
[09:09] <ultm8> probably not
[09:09] <ultm8> how do i do this?
[09:09] <Desh> ultm8: /nickserv identify <password>
[09:09] <neuron_> chavo: have you ever bumped into thos problem?
[09:10] <ultm8> ok
[09:10] <chavo> neuron_, with older version of compiz yes
[09:10] <ultm8> cool am in
[09:10] <chavo> neuron_, what does compiz --version say
[09:10] <ultm8> thanks am back
[09:10] <camX> another wee problem, easyubuntu locked /var/lib/dpkg
[09:10] <kbrooks_> camX: no it didnt
[09:11] <neuron_> chavo: compiz 0.0.13-quinn1
[09:11] <neuron_> chavo: is this right?
[09:11] <chavo> alright that's the latest
[09:11] <kbrooks_> camX: easyubuntu uses apt-get
[09:11] <uniq> kbrooks_: how can you be so sure it didn't ? :)
[09:11] <chavo> neuron_, you have got xgl running correct?
[09:11] <neuron_> dont know
[09:11] <neuron_> but i think so
[09:11] <kbrooks_> uniq: the application it uses underneath does that
[09:11] <drcurl> bye all
[09:12] <JasonL> uniq i will try it now
[09:12] <camX> well it is not letting me apt-get install minicom because it says /var/lib/dpkg is being used
[09:12] <uniq> kbrooks_: sure, but easyubuntu can do evil stuff that makes dpkg lock and hold the package database.
[09:12] <kbrooks_> uniq: hmmm.
[09:13] <kbrooks_> camX: look at your log window
[09:13] <uniq> camx: 'sudo fuser -v /var/lib/dpkg/lock' - that will tell you what is using the package database.
[09:13] <neuron_> chavo: i think xgl is runing
[09:13] <neuron_> but everything crashes
[09:13] <uniq> camx: to kill it you can use 'sudo fuser -vk /var/lib/dpkg/lock'
[09:13] <kbrooks_> camX: easyubuntu log window, i mean
[09:13] <egonw> chavo: is KDE 3.5.3 on xgl + kubuntu dapper + nvidia supposed to work?
[09:14] <chavo> egonw, it's not officially supported, but it works
[09:14] <camX> uniq: thanks just killed it
[09:14] <chavo> egonw, I'm working on the wiki right now, or trying too :)
[09:14] <egonw> chavo: just tried it... but applets where not docked into kicker, and konquer/amarok windows never showed up...
[09:14] <camX> dpkg --configure -a
[09:14] <egonw> chavo: ok, let me know the link...
[09:14] <egonw> when you're ready
[09:15] <camX> oops sorry
[09:15] <chavo> egonw, you need a newer version of xgl and compiz. the one in dapper repos is too old
[09:15] <egonw> (thanx for your comment already!)
[09:15] <neuron_> chavo: i got 1.5ghz sepron with 768mb ram, is thi enough?
[09:15] <neuron_> chavo: should i compile from cvs?
[09:15] <chavo> neuron_, should be good enough and no need to compile from cvs
[09:16] <JasonL> uniq, that bought up a blinking cursor in the top left, and it still did nothing
[09:16] <chavo> neuron_, the compiz package was built from recent cvs
[09:16] <camX> oops now I'm getting sun-java5-bin needs to be reinstalled
[09:17] <neuron_> chavo: i did something stupid i think, i followed the howto untill the part where compiz, xgl and the other stuff were downloaded and installed, while they were installing i moved on to the next step modifing files
[09:17] <nico8481> re
[09:17] <chavo> neuron_, shouldn't matter
[09:18] <JasonL> uniq could it be my xorg.conf file, because i edited that to add my monitors vert and horiz refresh rate
[09:18] <chavo> neuron_, you're using kdm right?
[09:18] <neuron_> after installing was done, and the files were modified i restarted x, it crashed, and then i enterd in failsafe and did sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[09:18] <neuron_> chavo: yes
[09:20] <Timmy_> penis
[09:20] <egonw> well, that was 38 seconds well spent
[09:21] <aseigo> Drakeson: define "for the desktop"?
[09:21] <neuron_> well, this is dissapointing :(
[09:21] <neuron_> i realy want xgl
[09:22] <chavo> neuron_, pastebin your xorg.conf
[09:22] <Drakeson> aseigo: where you currently save the icon positions, ...
[09:22] <neuron_> i`ll try
[09:22] <camX> ok sudo apt-get install fixed java - thanks all
[09:23] <aseigo> Drakeson: the icon on the desktop concept is going away completely.
[09:23] <amy__> ok so what other programs are a must have for kubuntu
[09:23] <aseigo> Drakeson: you'll still be able to put icons there but it's going to be a lot more like the way the panel is handled than the current "desktop as a limited function file browser" stupidity
[09:23] <chavo> amy_ anything with a K in it :)
[09:24] <Drakeson> yeah I know that, so I guess the objects on the desktop would have way to describe their position, style, ...
[09:25] <camX> OO
[09:25] <neuron_> chavo: http://pastebin.com/768051
[09:25] <Drakeson> aseigo: and the style would somehow be seperated from other data
[09:25] <lisoe> hi
[09:25] <amy__> hi lisoe
[09:25] <lisoe> can windows and linux use the same partition for virtual memory?
[09:25] <neuron_> lisoe: no
[09:26] <ultm8> hey it worked desh
[09:26] <neuron_> lisoe: windows has a file on every partition with the pagefile
[09:26] <lisoe> mkay
[09:26] <lisoe> ah
[09:26] <Drakeson> aseigo: and I am thinking that it might be a good idea to be able to actually draw on the desktop
[09:26] <lisoe> thanks (:
[09:26] <camX> how do I tell which tty my modem is on ?
[09:26] <neuron_> np
[09:26] <hektisk> Hello.  Often times, when I go to System Settings->Display and try to log into 'Administrator Mode' the box asking me for the root password doesn't appear.  The AM button becomes grayed out, and there's a red outline around where the tabs/settings should be, but there's nothing there and there's no way to log in
[09:27] <aseigo> Drakeson: "actually draw" <-- define?
[09:27] <neuron_> camX: thersa a command that any modem would respond to, but i forgot it
[09:27] <noteventime> :( k3b doesn't burn
[09:27] <aseigo> Drakeson: you mean the user draw like a paint app, or...?
[09:27] <Desh> ultm8: Konsole, type fglrxinfo
[09:27] <ultm8> how can i log back into my username desh so we can pm
[09:27] <ultm8> lol
[09:28] <noteventime>  /msg Nickserv identify PASS
[09:28] <Desh> ultm8: /nickserv identify <mapp>
[09:28] <chavo> neuron_, xorg.conf looks good, patebin your /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc
[09:28] <Desh> *pass
[09:28] <neuron_> okay
[09:28] <phreak____> I need someone who's running KDE to try to replicate a bug for me
[09:28] <ubuntu> hola
[09:28] <beavis> im trying to install the flash player for the kunqueror and it asks where the browser is , does anyone where to install the flash player?
[09:28] <phreak____> Try to rename a folder with a . in front of it to make it invisible in Konqueror, while your in the containing dir...
[09:28] <noteventime> phreak____, sure
[09:28] <ubuntu> Hola alguien me puee decir que es esto
[09:29] <lisoe> how large should i make the swap-partition? will half a GB do?
[09:29] <Drakeson> aseigo: I mean putting text/custom images, lines, arrows on the desktop
[09:29] <neuron_> chavo: http://pastebin.com/768064
[09:29] <chavo> neuron_, also too make sure you've got everything run a -> sudo apt-get update, and sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[09:29] <noteventime> phreak____, rename inside konqueror?
[09:29] <rverrips> >lisoe - How much ram do you have?  usually a good idea is same ammount of swap as ram ...
[09:29] <daphreak07> yah
[09:29] <daphreak07> it crashes the window for me
[09:30] <noteventime> daphreak07, works here :/
[09:30] <lisoe> ah, ok. a whole gigabyte, then
[09:30] <daphreak07> are you running AMD64?
[09:30] <daphreak07> or x86
[09:30] <aseigo> daphreak07: works here. how are you changing the name? right click -> rename?
[09:30] <daphreak07> yah
[09:30] <daphreak07> rather than simply dissapear, it crashes
[09:30] <noteventime> amd64 on x86 ubuntu
[09:30] <beavis> im trying to install the flash player for the kunqueror and it asks where the browser is , does anyone where to install the flash player?
[09:31] <noteventime> opteron to be precise :)
[09:31] <daphreak07> hmmm
[09:31] <noteventime> beavis, from apt
[09:31] <Drakeson> aseigo: once I played with the kwin window-workaround settings and made an inkscape session full-screen and tried to think how is it. I think it is a strong way to manage the desktop
[09:32] <aseigo> Drakeson: ah, you mean as an object canvas that has more than just icons?
[09:32] <beavis> noteventime: no , i downloaded the flash player from the macromedia website
[09:32] <neuron_> chavo: there are some things updating, and they all are from xgl.xompiz.info
[09:32] <neuron_> finished updating
[09:32] <rackerz> can someone help me setup incoming/outgoing webcam in kopete?
[09:32] <noteventime> beavis, Why not get it from apt?
[09:32] <Drakeson> aseigo: yes, plus a basic drawing functionality
[09:32] <beavis> i dont know the command
[09:32] <neuron_> chavo: libcairo2,libcairo2,libcairo2 and libsvg-cairo
[09:33] <Drakeson> aseigo: is it going to be based on qgraphicsview?
[09:33] <neuron_> this is what was updated
[09:33] <chavo> neuron_, good
[09:33] <Aapzak> hey guys, are some of you having trouble with knetworkmanager?
[09:33] <neuron_> is my kderc good?
[09:33] <neuron_> i commented the main() in the last file too
[09:34] <samuli> what are my options for movie player in kde?
[09:34] <Aapzak> kmplayer is nice
[09:34] <samuli> looking for a fairly simple and not resource hog.
[09:35] <mrmist> to run compiz in KDE... do I install compiz-gnome at all ???
[09:36] <chavo> mrmist, yes
[09:36] <Drakeson> aseigo: being able to define areas (drawing rectangles, ... and adding meta data to objects), sorting items on one area, fixing an application window to an area, adding text, lines, connectors, ... right on the desktop, ...
[09:36] <neuron_> lol, xgl madness :D
[09:36] <chavo> neuron_, everything looks like it should work
[09:36] <amy__> ok how do I go on away in here
[09:36] <neuron_> well, it doesnt :(
[09:36] <neuron_> let me try again
[09:36] <neuron_> restarting x
[09:37] <chavo> ok but don't start compiz yet
[09:37] <chavo> woops he's gone
[09:37] <mrmist> But i CAN run KDE with compiz, right ?
[09:37] <mrmist> Or will I have to run gnome ?
[09:37] <Aapzak> I would run gnome with xgl,
[09:38] <Drakeson> mrmist: compiz is just the window manager, you can run whatever you want
[09:38] <imbrandon> mrmist: kde will be fine with compiz
[09:39] <chavo> mrmist, you need compiz-gnome because compiz-kde doesn't work yet
[09:39] <imbrandon> but compiz-gnome will work with kde
[09:39] <imbrandon> ;)
[09:39] <chavo> right
[09:39] <imbrandon> brb
[09:40] <haider> i got the compiz-kde to work ok
[09:40] <rackerz> can someone help me setup incoming/outgoing webcam in kopete?
[09:41] <HamishTPB> I am trying to install idjc in kubuntu 6.06 but it complains it can't find the package pygtk2 - as far as I can tell I have installed pygtk2 :/
[09:41] <lime4x4> will this command allow anyone to right to a folder in my home directory  sudo chmod r+rw /home/john/test
[09:41] <Aapzak> no
[09:41] <Aapzak> o+w
[09:41] <Aapzak> others write
[09:42] <beavis> ok , so whats the name of the library to get as the flash player for the konqurer?
[09:42] <lime4x4> k thanks
[09:43] <Aapzak> lime4x4, I made a mistake
[09:43] <noteventime> My k3b doesn't do anything, it just says starting SAO writing at 48x
[09:43] <chavo> beavis, if you extract the flash archive there's an installer script in there
[09:44] <Aapzak> no I didn't :)
[09:44] <Aapzak> I should go to bed :)   But I can't stand the network-manager is not working, it seems so nice
[09:44] <aseigo> Drakeson: one can already drag app windows around, but as for the rest .. having the desktop as a canvas with dynamic objects is what we're doing
[09:45] <aseigo> Drakeson: so to "draw a box for some icons" is completely doable .. as will be right clicking on it and saying "make these things visible on my local network"
[09:45] <Desh> Has anyone gotten a Mibility Radeon 9700 to work with fglrx?
[09:46] <beavis> chavo: yeah i run the script but it asks me where the browser is
[09:46] <Aapzak> aseigo: these are KDE4 features?
[09:46] <chavo> beavis, are you running it as root or user?
[09:46] <neuron_>  chavo: http://img507.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot18rs.jpg this is a screenshot i`ve made
[09:46] <beavis> chavo: root
[09:46] <aseigo> Aapzak: yes.
[09:46] <neuron_> i`m logged in with kde right now
[09:46] <Aapzak> sounds nice
[09:46] <neuron_> but nothing works
[09:47] <aseigo> 90% done, 90% works, 90% great
[09:47] <Drakeson> aseigo: wow! that's great. can I draw items on the desktop, and drop thom on a graphics editor one day?
[09:47] <neuron_> cant even type into conversation, good thing i got xchat
[09:47] <aseigo> Drakeson: would just require someone writing a drawing plasmoid
[09:47] <Aapzak> neuron_:  running compiz?
[09:47] <neuron_> trying
[09:47] <Calilasseia> Hello everyone ....
[09:47] <chavo> beavis, put it in /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/
[09:48] <Aapzak> neuron_:  in Gentoo I didn't get compiz working as nice on KDE as it does in Gnome
[09:48] <Desh> Can anyone help me with fglrx?
[09:48] <DaSkreech> aseigo: When would you want people to be running it to debug?
[09:48] <beavis> chavo:k , ty , ill try
[09:48] <Calilasseia> Anyone know where I can find tutorials on programming in C or C++ for Kubuntu/KDE?
[09:48] <neuron_> chavo, kicker is freezing
[09:48] <DaSkreech> Before or after the first "public" release?
[09:48] <Drakeson> aseigo: if am willing to start and fill in my empty page in plasma.kde wiki, but I have a nasty thesis to get rid of first
[09:48] <h3sp4wn> aseigo: I think its 100% unnecessary and (uses wpa_supplicant for the main parts)
[09:48] <Drakeson> aseigo: and I really mean it ;)
[09:48] <neuron_> Aapzak, hmmm, as nice as in gnome? have you got it working on kde at all? :D
[09:49] <noteventime> Calilasseia, yes
[09:49] <noteventime> One moment
[09:49] <Aapzak> neuron_:  I had it working in KDE, but had some minor irritating stuff.
[09:49] <aseigo> DaSkreech: tech previews will start in early fall (possibly late summer)
[09:49] <bernier> man it's incredible eventough i'm thinking I don't have any question to ask!!!!! =D
[09:49] <aseigo> Drakeson: cool.. well, once your thesis is done, be sure to do so =)
[09:49] <beavis> chavo: ok , i dont have mozilla-firefox , i dont have firefox installed , only the konquerer
[09:49] <Aapzak> neuron_:  and it runs really well on gnome
[09:49] <neuron_> i dont care if its kde or if its gnome, i just want xgl
[09:49] <DaSkreech> Right right What I'm asking is do the developers want people to start jumping in before that?
[09:49] <haider> Calilasseia: http://women.kde.org/articles/tutorials/kdevelop3/ <<--- good one
[09:50] <Aapzak> neuron_:  try gnome first, tweak your config to the max and later try KDE.
[09:50] <beavis> is xgl that new window thing?
[09:50] <noteventime> Calilasseia, http://developer.kde.org/documentation/index.php
[09:50] <aseigo> h3sp4wn: oh, it's not 100% unnecessary. it's very, very convenient for those of us who pack laptops around all day between various locations
[09:50] <neuron_> i dont have a ubuntu cd atm :(
[09:50] <luix> yeah xgl is nice, just got it working =)
[09:50] <DaSkreech> Or before that they know stuff is broken please don't use it and if you do use it please don't tell us
[09:50] <neuron_> luix, on kde?
[09:51] <aseigo> h3sp4wn: but yeah ... kwifimanager actually friggin' -works- ... even wireless assistant which is prettier has issues on the "works" side
[09:51] <beavis> where can i read about xgl?
[09:51] <neuron_> !xgl
[09:51] <ubotu> xgl is, like, totally, "XGL on Ubuntu: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CompositeManager - Join #ubuntu-xgl for all the XGL fun on Ubuntu systems.  Pretty videos on http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease/"
[09:51] <noteventime> !tell beavis about xgl
[09:51] <h3sp4wn> aseigo: You can just use wpa_cli if you need to connect to another network
[09:51] <haider> guys, what is compiz-vanilla?
[09:51] <cliebow_> anyone see krootimage crashing on ltsp terminals?
[09:51] <luix> yes on kde
[09:51] <chavo> beavis, well you can put them in /usr/lib/mozilla , just create it if it's not there.
[09:51] <Aapzak> h3sp4wn: I was the one asking about network-manager
[09:51] <neuron_> chavo, have you saw the screenshot?
[09:51] <chavo> beavis, you can put it anywhere
[09:51] <Calilasseia> OK, those two websites will keep me occupied for a while ... thanks :)
[09:51] <Drakeson> aseigo: btw, do you know of any standard for desktop objects for freedesktop.org (or plan to build one)?
[09:51] <noteventime> haider, vanilla usually means unmodefied
[09:51] <chavo> and then go to the plugins page and add that directory to the search path
[09:52] <haider> noteventime: ahh, thx
[09:52] <Aapzak> haider: you need vanilla if you wish to run it on KDE
[09:52] <aseigo> h3sp4wn: using the cli is no problem. iwconfig/iwlist did it for me for a long time. it's about convenience and, most importantly, building a desktop for the general public
[09:52] <haider> Aapzak: are you sure?
[09:52] <Aapzak> yes
[09:52] <aseigo> Drakeson: the gnome people are moving to out-of-process applets and were interested in having kde adopt a similar model
[09:52] <haider> Ok, ill try! :)
[09:52] <luix> whoa whoa what's vanilla
[09:52] <Aapzak> :)
[09:52] <neuron_> chavo, kicker is not freezed, i can still get in the K menu, but it has wierd bottuns that i cant get rid of
[09:52] <luix> i'm running Xgl/Compiz and i've never touched any thing vanilla like
[09:52] <aseigo> Drakeson: but i feel (for reasons i've enumerated in detail in the past) that that is a very broken route to take. in fact, we moved -away- from that model completely in the kde3 series
[09:53] <Aapzak> luix: vanilla was introduced recently
[09:53] <luix> although i do have to use gnome-window-decorator, is vanilla a way around that?
[09:53] <aseigo> Drakeson: other than that, no, there is no such standard. it will be at least two releases of plasma before i'd be ready/comfortable to entertain the thought of writing up a spec
[09:53] <beavis> does xgl work with KDE?
[09:53] <aseigo> Drakeson: at this point i'm more interested in innovating than standardizing this aspect of the desktop
[09:53] <weedar> is nfs the preferred method to share partitions between linux machines?
[09:53] <haider> Aapzak: when i install vanilla, it removes the other compiz's!
[09:54] <Drakeson> aseigo: you are right, I understand it.
[09:54] <h3sp4wn> aseigo: I don't agree with polling the accesspoint constantly in order to provide a graph (which is meaningless anyway - as most probably the transmit and recieve antennas will be of different strengths)
[09:54] <Aapzak> yeah, you can have only one
[09:54] <beavis> does xgl work with KDE?
[09:54] <noteventime> yes
[09:54] <neuron_> not for me tho :(
[09:54] <noteventime> neuron_ not?
[09:54] <Aapzak> h3sp4wn: network-manager switches networks for you when one becomes unavailable, thats nice
[09:54] <chavo> neuron_, you running kde 3.5.3?
[09:54] <beavis> alright,  now i have something new to spend 2 days trying to get to work
[09:54] <neuron_> yes
[09:55] <noteventime> beavis, getting what to work?
[09:55] <yonkeltron> is there a list of supported languages for kdevelop3?
[09:55] <Aapzak> xgl+kde
[09:55] <beavis> xgl
[09:55] <neuron_> i go tkubuntu 6.09
[09:55] <christoph66> I just installed the newest ubuntu and now I am running the kubuntu live cd (also the latest one). On both of them when I change my resolution to the 1280x1024 that the LCD takes natively my display is all borked and in a convulted way is basically showing some of the desktop but then repeats near all the side. Its like it is tiling 1024x768 (or whatever) across the screen. What gives?
[09:55] <noteventime> ahh :) sorry stupid me
[09:55] <beavis> xgl+kde haha
[09:55] <noteventime> beavis, xgl+compix+kde ;)
[09:55] <noteventime> compiz*
[09:55] <Aapzak> true, it;s about compiz
[09:55] <beavis> i dont even know what compiz is
[09:55] <LiNuX_LoVeR_17> My sound isn't working how can I fix it?
[09:56] <Drakeson> aseigo: I feel the need for such standard but of course it won't happen before enough experiment. for now, perhaps having a large set of good plasmoids on kde-look might provide a force in that direction.
[09:56] <diop> can anyone tell me if the RT2570 works on dapper dist?
[09:56] <Riskbreaker> Xgl is just an Xserver with openGL, compiz is what does the special effects
[09:56] <h3sp4wn> Aapzak: wireless does that automatically anyway if you just have 2 accesspoints on the same ssid but different channels i.e 1 and 13 (100 ms or so to switch always uses the strongest)
[09:56] <haider> beavis: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=845077
[09:56] <Aapzak> compiz is what we all call xgl, the eyecandy window manager
[09:56] <noteventime> beavis, Compiz does all those nice effects
[09:56] <neuron_> gnome-window-decoration doesnt do anything
[09:56] <diop> i compile ntimes the source for the drivers and nothing
[09:56] <chavo> neuron_, gnome-window-decorator
[09:56] <beavis> ohhh , yeah , does it work with ati cards?
[09:56] <neuron_> yup, typo, sorry
[09:56] <noteventime> beavis, What ATI card?
[09:56] <diop> one week on it and no results
[09:56] <beavis> any guides out there for getting the xgl ? x850xt
[09:56] <Drakeson> aseigo: when do you recommend to start building/porting plasmoids?
[09:57] <neuron_> i can even right-click on the desktop
[09:57] <Aapzak> h3sp4wn: network-manager does also switch to eth or other essids
[09:57] <neuron_> but i cant move windows
[09:57] <neuron_> or anything
[09:57] <noteventime> beavis, :/ moment I will take a look if it works
[09:57] <neuron_> and kicker seems to act strange
[09:57] <noteventime> I doubt is does
[09:57] <Aapzak> h3sp4wn: thats convience I like a lot, I just want it to work
[09:57] <cliebow_> http://www.google.com
[09:57] <neuron_> i cant type in some textboxes
[09:57] <h3sp4wn> Aapzak: Are you using atheros ?
[09:57] <Aapzak> ralink
[09:57] <Aapzak> 2500
[09:58] <chavo> neuron_, run kwin --replace to get your window decorations bak
[09:58] <Aapzak> it's tough finding a good pcmcia wifi card
[09:58] <h3sp4wn> Aapzak: No chance of getting it to work unless you use the 2xx from sourceforge
[09:58] <weedar> ralink are great
[09:58] <noteventime> beavis, http://gentoo-wiki.com/HARDWARE_Video_Card_Support_Under_XGL#ATI_Cards
[09:58] <diop> Aapzak: i think we have the same pb
[09:58] <weedar> the drivers work and also support WPA without you needing wpa-supplicant, just FYI
[09:58] <beavis> noteventime:  thanks man , so u running xgl?
[09:58] <diop> weedar:  how
[09:58] <diop> ??
[09:59] <h3sp4wn> weedar: But the radios are poor quality
[09:59] <Aapzak> h3sp4wn: I also have a linksys acx111 card here
[09:59] <weedar> h3sp4wn: I haven't really had any worse experience with them than with Belkin
[09:59] <chavo> neuron_, did you run kwin --replace ?
[09:59] <diop> one week on it and no results till now
[09:59] <Aapzak> h3sp4wn: which seems to be even crapier
[09:59] <noteventime> beavis, not until i get a new vga cooler
[09:59] <weedar> diop: check out the rt2500 page on wiki.ubuntu.com - I'm the one using the "third" recipe for WPA
[09:59] <neuron_> yup
[09:59] <neuron_> that worked
[09:59] <LiNuX_LoVeR_17> My sound isn't working how can I fix it? AmaroK works but the system sounds don't. How can I fix it?
[09:59] <h3sp4wn> rt2x00.serialmonkey.com is the drivers you need (to use with xext)
[09:59] <weedar> diop: all you have to do is change the settings in /etc/network/interfaces
[10:00] <neuron_> kicker acted a bit strange
[10:00] <h3sp4wn> weedar: He specifically wants network manager
[10:00] <diop> weedar: are you on dapper ?
[10:00] <weedar> diop: sure am
[10:00] <neuron_> everything seems to work right now
[10:00] <neuron_> but no efects
[10:00] <beavis> noteventime: what card are you using?
[10:00] <Aapzak> h3sp4wn: I believe Ubuntu uses those drivers, thats what I see in dmes
[10:00] <Aapzak> g
[10:00] <weedar> h3sp4wn: ah, he wants a gui to set up WPA?
[10:01] <chavo> neuron_, yeah that just got you back to the kde window manager
[10:01] <diop> i am too but i have tried many sources but still now nothing
[10:01] <noteventime> beavis, xfx 7600GT, its to loud when the fan is on high
[10:01] <neuron_> chavo, i got a problem with the display settings
[10:01] <Aapzak> diop: I want a semi-automatic solution
[10:01] <neuron_> let me take a screenshot
[10:01] <chavo> neuron_, try running this -> LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/nvidia/libGL.so.1.2.xlibmesa compiz --replace gconf & gnome-window-decorator
[10:01] <neuron_> wow
[10:01] <neuron_> nice :D
[10:02] <neuron_> its works now :D
[10:02] <beavis> noteventime: yeah , the leaf blower?  i use water for cpu and the video
[10:02] <LiNuX_LoVeR_17> My sound isn't working how can I fix it? AmaroK works but the system sounds don't. How can I fix it?
[10:02] <LiNuX_LoVeR_17> Can anyone help me?
[10:02] <h3sp4wn> Aapzak: Maybe it changed I dumped ralink when it all got broken in dapper (switched to atheros and now I have no problems at all)
[10:02] <lime4x4> oky i'm lost...lol i need to change this folders permission along with all it's contents i tried chmod 777 and that's not working i need to let anyone read and write to it
[10:02] <weedar> I really have trouble understanding why the people behind wlassistant, kwlan and knetworkmanager could get together to create ONE wifi-GUI
[10:02] <noteventime> beavis, Cool, thats a little outside my budget though :)
[10:02] <weedar> *couldn't
[10:02] <Aapzak> h3sp4wn: what are you using now?
[10:02] <defrysk>  LiNuX_LoVeR_17 http://doc.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/desktopguide/C/ch04s03.html
[10:02] <Aapzak> ah
[10:03] <Aapzak> atheros
[10:03] <beavis> noteventime: yeah , had it laying around in the besement from like 6 years ago , i fugured i put it to use
[10:03] <chavo> neuron_, so it's working?
[10:03] <beavis_> beavis: hi
[10:03] <Aapzak> h3sp4wn: the ralink also works in windows and osx, which is why I still tolerate that thing in my machine
[10:03] <beavis> beavis_: hi
[10:03] <beavis_> beavis: you're not registered, right?
[10:04] <beavis> beavis_: nope
[10:04] <beavis_> beavis: I just wanted to check who hijacked my nick ;)
[10:04] <h3sp4wn> Aapzak: madwifi is opensource apart from the hal (which controls the frequency etc) - madwifi-ng apparantly works flawlessly with network manager
[10:05] <beavis> beavis_: yeah i dont register nicks
[10:05] <beavis> i just use whatever
[10:05] <Aapzak> h3sp4wn: madwifi = atheros?
[10:05] <h3sp4wn> Aapzak: Yes
[10:05] <Aapzak> wpa2 also works?
[10:05] <h3sp4wn> Aapzak: Yes
[10:05] <Aapzak> kewl
[10:05] <LiNuX_LoVeR_17> defrysk, I already have that and the system sounds were working at the start but now they aren't.
[10:06] <Aapzak> I'm gonna google some more tomorrow
[10:06] <lime4x4> sudo chmod 777 /home/mike/test Still won't allow another app to read or write to it
[10:06] <aseigo> Drakeson: at least not until the tech previews
[10:06] <defrysk> LiNuX_LoVeR_17, got amarok set to the xine engine ?
[10:07] <noteventime> http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b264/noteventime/hmmm.jpg <- Could someone say why k3b doesn't get any further than this?
[10:07] <LiNuX_LoVeR_17> defrysk, it is not amaroK that isn't working, It is it is just the system sounds that aren't.
[10:08] <defrysk> LiNuX_LoVeR_17, they just "stopped"?
[10:08] <LiNuX_LoVeR_17> Ya
[10:08] <gil> what is the story with all in one printers Lexmark?
[10:08] <LiNuX_LoVeR_17> and I have tryed restarting my system multiple times
[10:08] <LiNuX_LoVeR_17> but it hasn't come back
[10:08] <defrysk> LiNuX_LoVeR_17, got kopete running or someting?
[10:08] <gil> do they work in dapper?
[10:08] <noteventime> LiNuX_LoVeR_17, Try enabling full dublex
[10:08] <LiNuX_LoVeR_17> I have kmess
[10:09] <defrysk> lime4x4, listen to noteventime
[10:09] <LiNuX_LoVeR_17> it still doesn't work
[10:10] <neuron_> chavo, i got it working for a moment
[10:10] <neuron_> its working now
[10:10] <defrysk> LiNuX_LoVeR_17, set arts also to xine
[10:10] <neuron_> but when i try to alt
[10:10] <LiNuX_LoVeR_17> arts?
[10:10] <neuron_> alt+tab everything goes poof again
[10:10] <defrysk> the soundserver
[10:11] <quido> aapzak -> quido :)
[10:11] <chavo> neuron_, yeah you gotta unload the dock plugin
[10:11] <LiNuX_LoVeR_17> Where can I find it?
[10:11] <chavo> neuron_, did you install gset-compiz?
[10:11] <neuron_> yup, found it in the kmenu
[10:12] <noteventime> LiNuX_LoVeR_17, output plugin
[10:12] <chavo> ok run it and then uncheck the dock plugin, it's pretty buggy
[10:12] <defrysk> systemsetting multimedia soundsystem hardware tab
[10:12] <neuron_> how do i unload it?
[10:12] <neuron_> i just uncheck it?
[10:12] <chavo> yes
[10:12] <neuron_> nice
[10:13] <neuron_> everything is running now
[10:13] <defrysk> no its not
[10:13] <defrysk> one sec
[10:13] <LiNuX_LoVeR_17> Ok but I can't find xine
[10:13] <neuron_> how can i make it start this way?
[10:13] <defrysk> LiNuX_LoVeR_17, set it to opensound system
[10:13] <chavo> neuron_, another bug to watch out for is that quitting apps with a systray icon will crash the panel
[10:13] <defrysk> inseat of auto
[10:13] <LiNuX_LoVeR_17> ok
[10:13] <hektisk> hello all, quick question...
[10:13] <gil> defrysk: can u tell me where to get lexmark all in one drivers for dapper
[10:13] <hektisk>  usually when I go to System Settings->Display and try to log into 'Administrator Mode' the box asking me for the root password doesn't appear.  The AM button becomes grayed out, and there's a red outline around where the tabs/settings should be, but there's nothing there and there's no where for me to type my password so I can't change any settings...anyone know why this is happening, or how I can fix this problem?
[10:14] <quido> weird, kwirelessnetwork works even worse than the gnome version
[10:14] <neuron_> i got 4 crashed tabs in kicker :|
[10:14] <defrysk> tic gil lexmark is tha sucks and provides......almost nothing
[10:14] <LiNuX_LoVeR_17> defrysk it still doesn't work
[10:14] <christoph66> I am running kubuntu on a laptop with an ATI Mobility 9600. Does anyone know how to get 1280x1024 resolution to work? When I try to set it, it basically just tiles the 1024x768.. but it looks worse than that even. Any help?
[10:15] <gil> so no go on my lexmark x2350? is that what you are saying?
[10:15] <defrysk> noteventime could you help LiNuX_LoVeR_17 ?
[10:15] <chavo> neuron_, add ShowAllWindows=true  underneath the [General]  section in ~/.kde/share/config/taskbarrc
[10:15] <defrysk> gil not sure but lexmark is the worst choice on linux
[10:15] <chavo> that will fix the taskbar problems for now
[10:16] <gil> ok
[10:16] <defrysk> sorry
[10:17] <gil> its the only printer i have sitting around here....BTW thanks for the help yesterday
[10:17] <neuron_> i got a ktaskbarrc
[10:17] <neuron_> and no general section
[10:17] <sokuban> It is possible to have write access on a windows partition? My windows partition is FAT32 (So I thought it might be possible)
[10:17] <neuron_> just a $Version
[10:17] <neuron_> should i create one?
[10:17] <defrysk> gil I have a read for you
[10:17] <chavo> just make it [General]  ,just like that
[10:17] <gil> sure!
[10:18] <neuron_> okay
[10:18] <neuron_> done
[10:18] <neuron_> and one other thing
[10:18] <neuron_> when i try to change my rs in the display settings
[10:19] <defrysk> gil the link is dead unfortunately
[10:19] <neuron_> it says "The module Display could not be loaded."
[10:19] <kronoz> anyone any idea about how to fix this
[10:19] <neuron_> res*
[10:19] <kronoz> http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=5852.0
[10:19] <gil> defrysk: what was it....
[10:19] <gil> ?
[10:19] <defrysk> gil, but try the Lexmark x125 driver
[10:19] <defrysk> http://lexmark-x125-printer-driver.df34.com/
[10:20] <neuron_> Possible reasons:
[10:20] <neuron_> An error occurred during your last KDE upgrade leaving an orphaned contorl module
[10:20] <neuron_> YOu have old third party modules lying around
[10:20] <christoph66> Where do I go to install kdevelop?
[10:20] <chrisn> hi
[10:20] <neuron_> and i cant change my resolution
[10:21] <chrisn> Anyone here who can possibly answer a problem regarding apt-get and certain 'missing' packages
[10:21] <gil> defrysk:tried it...no go...
[10:21] <farous> chrisn: ask your question
[10:21] <gil> this is an all in one printer with only one cartridge for both color/black
[10:22] <defrysk> gil this is what ubuntuforums has to say about lexmark ... :( http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=152576&highlight=lexmark+x2350
[10:22] <chrisn> Well for example mplayer is one of these packages.  So is libxine-extracodecs.  I have enabled the universe and multiverse repositories
[10:22] <kronoz> !paste
[10:22] <ubotu> Please do not flood the channel http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/ for pasting long texts it does not disrupt the channel. [webboard for Ubuntu: http://www.gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=1269 : not an offical package] .
[10:22] <defrysk> gil,
[10:22] <defrysk> HP and Epson are the bestsupported printers for Linux. Usually you can get them to work.
[10:22] <sokuban> It is possible to have write access on a windows partition? My windows partition is FAT32 (So I thought it might be possible)
[10:23] <kronoz> chrisn, paste the output of the fialed operations thre
[10:23] <farous> chrisn: again i can not understand your prob. do you mean you can not find some packages
[10:23] <kronoz> sokuban: yes
[10:23] <sokuban> how?
[10:23] <chrisn> I mean that the apt-get can't find them.  Let me past the output one sec
[10:23] <weedar> While doing an apt-get upgrade I keep seeing alot of packages beeing kept-back - Is this common?
[10:23] <farous> chrisn: did you reload your source file after enabling the extra repos
[10:24] <noteventime> LiNuX_LoVeR_17, Did you fix it?
[10:24] <chrisn> Here it is http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15340
[10:24] <noteventime> ohh, left
[10:24] <neuron_> chavo, how do i change my res?
[10:24] <chrisn> You mean 'sudo apt-get update' ?
[10:24] <Chris_H> can anyone reccomend a good video codec pack for linux?
[10:24] <kronoz> sokuban, well, is the windows partition hda1/hda2/hda3/hda4? sudo mount /dev/[windows hd partition]  /media/windows remember to make /media/windows first
[10:25] <Chris_H> Kubuntu Dapper
[10:25] <Chris_H> mainly using Kaffeine
[10:25] <shawn__> ok. ive installed firefox and associated torrent files with azureus, but azureus doesnt work. does anyone know where the @#$! i can change this? one would think in Edit->Prefs->Downloads but, heh, nope.
[10:25] <kronoz> Chris_H, libxine-extracodecs & w32codecs
[10:25] <sokuban> that gives me read access, but I want to write on it
[10:25] <kronoz> Chris_H, is this computer online yet?
[10:25] <Chris_H> not yet, but i got the router off ebay last night
[10:25] <gil> derfrysk: thanks///reading....that sucks the big one....
[10:25] <Chris_H> is it just worth waiting until its online?
[10:25] <defrysk> gil, sorry
[10:26] <farous> chrisn: try searching for the proper name use adept or sudo aptitude search
[10:26] <ahmeni> neuron_: your initial resolution, or change it while X is running?
[10:26] <gil> ok maybe you can help me with my built in card reader
[10:26] <neuron_> while x is running
[10:26] <gil> on  my laptop....
[10:26] <chrisn> farous: I have used adept.  It isn't there
[10:26] <neuron_> xgl :D
[10:26] <ahmeni> neuron_: check out krandrtray
[10:26] <defrysk> lexmark is evil stay away from it , their cartridges are way to expensive and refills aren allowed
[10:26] <uniq> sokuban: you can have it mountable by your user. if you set the 'users' option in fstab. then you can click it in media:/
[10:26] <farous> chrisn: can you post your /etc/apt/sources.list file on the pastebin
[10:27] <gil> it was available to the grad students in my department for really cheap
[10:27] <chrisn> farous: yes one second
[10:27] <defrysk> gil, the machine is cheap
[10:27] <gil> got it for like 20 bucks.....worked ok in  windows
[10:27] <defrysk> so is the company
[10:27] <gil> yep
[10:27] <defrysk> i had a lexmark too
[10:28] <gil> defrysk, do you have any experience with these built in card readers....
[10:28] <sokuban> under options I put defaults,user
[10:28] <defrysk> now I have a nice samsung laser printer
[10:28] <farous> chrisn: i think mplayer is installed by default
[10:28] <defrysk> cheap and running like a charm
[10:28] <gil> i have a tosh m40x.....i cant get dapper to pick it up
[10:28] <neuron_> chavo, how can i get xgl to run when i log in
[10:28] <bernier> hi, i have a sony network walkman (nw-e75) and it uses sonicstage to convert and transfer music to it. Unfortunately, sonicstage is for windows only and can't transfer music when running on wine. do you guys know anything with which i could trasfer my music to my mp3 player?
[10:29] <uniq> sokuban: users to be able to unmount too.
[10:29] <neuron_> and to wokr aswell
[10:29] <shawn__> ok. ive installed firefox and associated torrent files with azureus, but azureus doesnt work. does anyone know where the @#$! i can change this? one would think in Edit->Prefs->Downloads but, heh, nope. Can ANYONE help? I can't believe this isnt a really easy thing to accomplish.
[10:29] <defrysk> gil, http://www.linuxprinting.org/
[10:29] <neuron_> work*
[10:29] <neuron_> this is my last question :D
[10:29] <aapzak> neuron_: you got it working?
[10:29] <neuron_> yup :D
[10:30] <farous> chrisn: oh it is in multiverse
[10:30] <sokuban> uniq: so you are saying that if I put an s at the end I will able to write? I can read the disk fine I just can't write to it, it gives me an access denied
[10:30] <chrisn> farous: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15341
[10:31] <chrisn> So the multiverse repositories are there.
[10:31] <chavo> neuron_, save this http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15342 as ~/.kde/Autostart/compiz.desktop
[10:31] <uniq> sokuban: i would use the options 'defaults,noauto,users' that will not automatically mount it at boot, but after login you can go to media:/ and mount it.
[10:31] <uniq> sokuban: when you mount it as a user, you can also unmount it as a user, and I think you also can write to it as the user mounting.
[10:31] <sokuban> ok
[10:32] <neuron_> done
[10:32] <neuron_> whould i restart X to see if it works?
[10:32] <neuron_> should*
[10:32] <farous> chrisn: no it is not. your 6 line should have universe and multiverse in it
[10:32] <farous> !tell chrisn about easy source
[10:33] <farous> !tell chrisn about easysource
[10:33] <neuron_> restarting :P
[10:33] <farous> chrisn: for an easy generated source list check ubotu link
[10:33] <chrisn> thanks Farous.  Will do
[10:33] <neuron_> nice
[10:33] <neuron_> it works
[10:34] <noteventime> http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b264/noteventime/hmmm.jpg <- could someone help me with this?
[10:34] <james_> if i want to add gnome desktop to my system, but not a whole truckload of gnome apps, do i just apt-get install gnome-desktop?? and then will i be able to choose the type of session i want at boot-up?
[10:34] <neuron_> but i still need to run gnome-kde-decorator
[10:34] <neuron_> and display settings still dont work
[10:34] <aapzak> gtg guys, read and sleep
[10:34] <aapzak> bye
[10:35] <neuron_> bye
[10:35] <shawn__> ok. ive installed firefox and associated torrent files with azureus, but azureus doesnt work. does anyone know where the @#$! i can change this? one would think in Edit->Prefs->Downloads but, heh, nope. Can ANYONE help? I can't believe this isnt a really easy thing to accomplish. Firefox instructs me to "Change the association in your preferences." but Edit->Preferences has nothing
[10:35] <uniq> james_: there is no gnome-desktop meta package as far as i know. if you don't want all ubuntu-desktop i fear you'll have to specify package by package.
[10:35] <aapzak> you're in a kde channel and are asking about firefox, maybe noone uses firefox here :)
[10:36] <xwolf-> shawn__  you can download another torrent and change through the download dialog.
[10:36] <aapzak> and ...azureus
[10:36] <james_> uniq: ok, thank you
[10:36] <aapzak> shawn__: I use Konqueror and ktorrent
[10:36] <farous> me too
[10:36] <shawn__> xwolf: the download dialogue doesnt appear, it automatically tries to open with azureus
[10:36] <neuron_> chavo: the windows still dont have titlebars
[10:36] <shawn__> yeah i want to use ktorrent, i just cant get firefox to open with it
[10:37] <aapzak> ah
[10:37] <chavo> neuron_, make sure in your compiz.desktop the the Exec= is all on one line
[10:37] <JasonL> can someone help, i just made a new partition and it is mounted but i cannot write to it
[10:37] <xwolf-> shawn__ you just couldnt get to edit -> prefs -> downloads -> show and edit actions?
[10:37] <defrysk> shawn__, works here but it needed a restart of ktorrent and firefox
[10:38] <xwolf-> JasonL an ext3 partition?
[10:38] <JasonL> ext2
[10:38] <xwolf-> is it mounted read-only?
[10:38] <xwolf-> if yes, mount it with '-o rw'
[10:38] <JasonL> rw in fstab
[10:39] <xwolf-> do you have clearance to write there?
[10:39] <uniq> jasonl: you must give yourself access to write to it. By default only root have write access to the mountpoint.
[10:39] <neuron_> chavo: that was the problem, restarting x again
[10:39] <JasonL> "/dev/sda6 /media/sda6 ext2 nouser,defaults,atime,auto,rw,dev,exec,suid 0 1" in fstab
[10:39] <xwolf-> JasonL i think adding 'user' will do it
[10:39] <JasonL> changing nouser to user?
[10:39] <uniq> jasonl: you don'
[10:40] <xwolf-> lemme check.
[10:40] <JasonL> or just add user
[10:40] <JasonL> ok
[10:40] <JasonL> sorry uniq??
[10:40] <uniq> jasonl: you don't need all that. "/dev/sda6 /media/sda6 ext2 defaults 0 1" would do it. it's all defaults.
[10:40] <JasonL> ok =)
[10:41] <JasonL> its sudo mount -a after fstab has been change right?
[10:41] <JasonL> still get access denied
[10:42] <chrisn> Just a random question.  Has anyone managed to get Konquerer to work with Gmail's advanced interface?
[10:42] <uniq> jasonl: and. what you need to do, is to make a directory in /media/sda6, for example /media/sda6/jason, and give your user write access to it. that would be "sudo mkdir /media/sda6/jason" and "sudo chown username.username -R /media/sda6/jason"
[10:42] <chavo> chrisn, yes but it doesn't work perfectly
[10:42] <mrmist> Hi guys
[10:42] <uniq> jasonl: "sudo mount -o remount /media/sda6" after changing fstab.
[10:42] <JasonL> so i cant have access to write to the root of the driver?
[10:42] <mrmist> I'm getting a error message when trying to load compiz
[10:43] <mrmist>  GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap is missing
[10:43] <sager_> Is it possible to install kdevelop through Adept? When I type in kdevelop it doesn't return anything
[10:43] <chrisn> chavo: ah anything special in the configuration.  I found that none of the links or buttons worked
[10:43] <mrmist> Anyone seen this ??
[10:43] <xwolf-> JasonL FYI, user is only about being possible for non-root accounts to mount it. nothing to do with write permissions
[10:43] <noteventime> sager_, kdevelop3
[10:43] <JasonL> ok xwolf
[10:44] <JasonL> uniq, is there no way for me to be able to write to the root of the drive?
[10:44] <uniq> jasonl: yes you can, but you must give yourself write access to it. giving users access to the partition mountpoint is generally not a good idea, you can of course mount the partition uid/gid but I do not recommend it.
[10:44] <JasonL> well it used to be NTFS, and i wanted to be able to write to it
[10:44] <JasonL> so i moved all my files from NTFS to my home foler
[10:44] <JasonL> now i want them back on sda6 in the same order
[10:44] <sager_> noteventime: ahhI had to fetch updates
[10:45] <JasonL> that means putting stuff on the root of the driver
[10:45] <JasonL> drive*
[10:46] <mrmist> Anyone ??
[10:46] <mrmist> I'm trying to get compiz to work
[10:46] <noteventime> mrmist, old drivers
[10:46] <JasonL> uniq, can i ask why you do not recommend it
[10:46] <mrmist> I get "No managable screens found on display:0.00
[10:46] <noteventime> You don't have the extension you mentioned
[10:47] <noteventime> mrmist, are you running Xgl?
[10:47] <mrmist> noteventime: ah... How do I install new ones ?
[10:47] <mrmist> noteventime: How do I know? I've installed the compiz package. Doesn't it install the rest for me ?
[10:47] <noteventime> mrmist, If you want to use compiz you need to run Xgl
[10:48] <noteventime> it's an OpenGL accelerated xserver
[10:48] <mrmist> noteventime: I've got it on my system, but I'm unsure if that's what Im actually running
[10:48] <mrmist> "ps -A | grep xgl -i" gives me nothing
[10:48] <noteventime> mrmist, then it isn't
[10:48] <noteventime> !xgl
[10:49] <ubotu> xgl is, like, "XGL on Ubuntu: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CompositeManager - Join #ubuntu-xgl for all the XGL fun on Ubuntu systems.  Pretty videos on http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease/"
[10:49] <JasonL> uniq ?
[10:49] <mrmist> Do I have to reconfiugure xorg.conf to load xgl then ?
[10:50] <uniq> jasonl: hang on. on the phone.
[10:50] <uniq> jasonl: 2 min.
[10:50] <JasonL> ahh ok, sorry =)
[10:50] <noteventime> mrmist, It's a whole new xorg :)
[10:50] <JasonL> natures calling so ill take the time to answer
[10:50] <uniq> ls
[10:51] <noteventime> mrmist, You need to create a symlink from /usr/bin/Xgl to /etc/X11/X but talk to someone who knows a bit about it so you can be sure you get full performance
[10:51] <noteventime> mrmist, /join #ubuntu-xgl
[10:51] <kkathman> you have to have a pretty fast/current vid card for it to work also mrmist
[10:51] <noteventime> no
[10:51] <JasonL> back
[10:52] <noteventime> kkathman, I've been using it on an old Geforce2 mx440 without any problems
[10:52] <noteventime> All eye candy on
[10:52] <kkathman> well, I wouldnt call that old tho :)
[10:52] <noteventime> it's 5 years old
[10:52] <uniq> jasonl: yes, you can just give yourself write access to the mountpoint and below. This is how to do it: Make sure sda6 is mounted. if not; "sudo mount /media/sda6", then "chown username.username -R /media/sda6". and you've got full access to the partition root.
[10:53] <ahmeni> Older nvidia cards work with xgl, but older Radeon cards don't :(
[10:53] <noteventime> kkathman, 5 years old :) It works on old tnt2 cards without any problem
[10:53] <kkathman> alot of newer PCs have very insufficient vid cards in them so it pays to double check the specs needed... thats all I'll say :)
[10:53] <JasonL> ok, why would you advise against it may i ask?
[10:53] <uniq> jasonl: why it is bad practice, good question, i just never do it, might not be bad practice at all, actually.
[10:53] <JasonL> ok
[10:54] <JasonL> i wouldnt trust myself with root access to / but to another partition i like to have control of all =)
[10:54] <JasonL> uniq mount: invalid option -- R
[10:55] <uniq> jasonl: yes, I was thinking that too, but it's not critical as it's just for user stuff. So it won't be a problem :)
[10:55] <uniq> jasonl: try -r then.
[10:55] <JasonL> ok =)
[10:55] <ciccio> hi there
[10:56] <uniq> hi ciccio.
[10:56] <ciccio> I'd like to mount a ntfs partition rw but I am not able to, what can I do
[10:56] <ciccio> ?
[10:56] <uniq> jasonl: -R is correct for chown.
[10:56] <JasonL> chown: `/media/sda6/lost+found': Permission denied
[10:56] <JasonL> chown: changing ownership of `/media/sda6': Operation not permitted
[10:56] <DaSkreech> !tell ciccio about NTFS
[10:56] <JasonL> yeh, i typed it wrong =)
[10:56] <JasonL> but then go that
[10:56] <uniq> jasonl: ah.. my mistake. put sudo infront.
[10:56] <JasonL> got*
[10:56] <JasonL> oh yes
[10:56] <h3sp4wn> ciccio: Captive ntfs
[10:57] <JasonL> silly me, i should of seen that too *bangs head*
[10:57] <JasonL> im not that dumb, honest =P
[10:57] <noteventime> ciccia, you need ntfs tools
[10:57] <uniq> jasonl: me neither, honest :)
[10:57] <ciccio> and is there a way to browse samba shares via kde ?
[10:57] <DaSkreech> nikkiana: Hello again :)
[10:57] <JasonL> =) it works
[10:57] <JasonL> ty uniq
[10:58] <uniq> ciccio: you can use smb:/ in konqueror.
[10:58] <uniq> jasonl: no problem. happy to help. :)
[10:58] <JasonL> wish i knew as much about linux as i do windows
[10:58] <nikkiana> hi DaSkreech
[10:58] <ciccio> uniq: but is there a sort of smbtree with a gui ?
[10:58] <DaSkreech> JasonL: You'll regret that one day
[10:59] <uniq> ciccio: there is a utility called "smb4k"
[10:59] <JasonL> the fact i know alot about windows?
[10:59] <DaSkreech> Yeah that too :)
[10:59] <JasonL> lol
[10:59] <JasonL> i already do
[10:59] <JasonL> more employers want linux, and im just leaving school and going into college
[11:00] <JasonL> unfortunetly no college does anything to do with linux =(
[11:00] <DaSkreech> JasonL: Really?
[11:00] <JasonL> yes
[11:00] <uniq> nite ppl. going shopping with my GF tomorrow, need alot of sleep.
[11:00] <DaSkreech>  JasonL: More peopel ask about Linux than Windows?
[11:00] <JasonL> no, just these days people ask about linux more
[11:00] <JasonL> theres alot more jobs wanting linux experience
[11:01] <judgen> dell has high demand on linux techies
[11:01] <JasonL> i myself want to be self employed
[11:01] <DaSkreech> JasonL: Thats very interesting I should move ot your place
[11:01] <h3sp4wn> JasonL: I made did quite a good contract which involved writing scripts to check iis was running - interface for restarting certain services from windows over ssh - migrated 1000 websites from one to the other with less than 5 mins downtime
[11:02] <judgen> dell now has 25 of its server customers running linux
[11:02] <judgen> 25%
[11:02] <judgen> and its growing fast
[11:02] <DaSkreech> judgen: See that's not a majority
[11:02] <JasonL> sounds cool h3sp4wn
[11:02] <h3sp4wn> JasonL: That was nt 4 to windows 2000 (mainly in cygwin though using a few tools from the server resourcekit)
[11:02] <DaSkreech>  and it's still bug #1
[11:02] <JasonL> i couldnt get my head around cygwin
[11:03] <judgen> even though apache looses ground, in the real server tasks (not http) microsoft is loosing over 3% a year
[11:03] <JasonL> the world will be a better place when bug #1 is fixed
[11:03] <h3sp4wn> Do you think it ever will be ?
[11:03] <judgen> DaSkreech: concidering that dell started supporting linx 2 months ago i think 25% is impressive
[11:03] <JasonL> one day, its not going to happen over night though
[11:04] <JasonL> once people begin to realise that it really is free and good
[11:04] <h3sp4wn> Who do you think will do it - google is the only company at this moment I think capable
[11:04] <judgen> that shows the overwhaleming demand for linux even in the dell-wintel camp
[11:04] <JasonL> i think we shall have to work together
[11:04] <JasonL> no single person or company will be able to do it
[11:04] <ciccio> hdb1 is still unaccessible
[11:04] <ciccio> dr-x------ 1 root root 102400 2006-06-08 07:59 hdb1
[11:04] <DaSkreech> h3sp4wn: You forget who makes google powerful :)
[11:05] <JasonL> the users =P
[11:05] <judgen> haha some dude at osnews posted that ms should buy google, i LOL at that motion. since microsoft couldnt afford it even if they sold their windows division
[11:06] <judgen> google is valued at more than 2/3 of the total dm of microsoft.. that means, in reality that if ms wants to buy google they have to sell everything they own except the hardware portion =)
[11:06] <JasonL> what linux really needs is someone to start selling it as standard on pcs
[11:06] <ciccio> bye thanks
[11:06] <h3sp4wn> DaSkreech: But users on their own cannot convince business to use things easily - If google produced a desktop
[11:06] <judgen> JasonL:  NO
[11:07] <DaSkreech> h3sp4wn: have you seen the Linux Use and Firefox Use survey?
[11:07] <ahmeni> Argh
[11:07] <JasonL> how no?
[11:07] <ahmeni> Chinese characters are showing up in firefox, but not konqueror :(
[11:07] <judgen> what linux need is a governmetn that makes opensource mandatory (in denmark they have gone faar in thet direction)
[11:07] <h3sp4wn> DaSkreech: No but I don't trust market research
[11:07] <DaSkreech> h3sp4wn: it was done but OSDL and Mozilla
[11:07] <kkathman> JasonL:  actually you arent that far off... linuxheads wont agree with you, but from a global economic standpoint, thats what would push things forward
[11:07] <judgen> ahmeni: have you installed the konq addons?
[11:08] <JasonL> well IMO a good step will be getting linux sold with new pxs
[11:08] <JasonL> pcs*
[11:08] <SeanTater> My sound won;t work after upgrading dapper to KDE 3.5.3 -- can anyone help?
[11:08] <h3sp4wn> DaSkreech: Most people who didn't want to answer / couldn't be bothered would be using windows
[11:08] <ahmeni> judgen: what's the package called?
[11:09] <DaSkreech>  both showed that businesses that are looking at Linux/firefox in the Business place are doing it mostly because the people in the business are asking for it
[11:09] <JasonL> one thing that would definately help, awareness
[11:09] <judgen> ahmeni: i dont speak chineese, try "apt-cache search chineese"  but with proper spelling =P
[11:10] <judgen> i never knew that kopete had such an excellent irc client
[11:10] <judgen> i always used ksirc, but after this venture i think ksirc does not stand a chance
[11:10] <rackerz> can someone help me setup incoming/outgoing webcam in kopete?
[11:10] <JasonL> has anyone actually been into a pc shop and tried to use a live cd?
[11:10] <DaSkreech> h3sp4wn: the masses have power if they complain :)
[11:10] <kkathman> judgen:  have you given kvirc a whirl??
[11:11] <judgen> rackerz:  do you have wecam support in the preferences?
[11:11] <DaSkreech> judgen: tried konversation?
[11:11] <judgen> DaSkreech:  yes
[11:11] <yonkeltron> i can't unmmount my cd drive!
[11:11] <h3sp4wn> DaSkreech: I only complain if I am expected to use windows on my desktop
[11:11] <kkathman> lol konversation is just pretty much run of the mill
[11:11] <JasonL> i actually got thrown out of my local pc shop because i tried it...
[11:11] <DaSkreech> h3sp4wn: Yup :)
[11:11] <rackerz> judgen yes i do. it all works the webcam just wont send out. if my brother asks to see my webcam it lets him because he is my network.
[11:12] <DaSkreech> h3sp4wn: Good thing I'm at a 90% Linux company
[11:12] <judgen> kkathman:  the good thing is that it only uses one cpu process instead of me using many
[11:12] <DaSkreech> we have 2 macs
[11:12] <kkathman> judgen:  http://www.kvirc.net/
[11:12] <JasonL> sounds similar to my problem rackerz, i cant send or receive files over msn in kopete
[11:12] <judgen> kkathman: since i use many protocolls
[11:12] <judgen> kkathman:  tried kopete irc-plugin?
[11:12] <kkathman> I personnally hate that tabbed channel thing
[11:12] <judgen> tabbed?
[11:13] <rackerz> yeah i just want to use a webcam, why does it have to be so complicated?
[11:13] <kkathman> and I havent found another IRC client that doesnt have that tabbed thing
[11:13] <sager_> Does anyone know of anyone good, free, graphical boot managers?
[11:13] <judgen> kopete?
[11:13] <rackerz> not meaning to be rude there
[11:13] <JasonL> do you have a router rackerz?
[11:13] <rackerz> Yep. I've set and forwarded the port
[11:13] <judgen> i have no tabs even as default in kopete
[11:13] <kkathman> judgen:  yes, when you want multiple channels open...I want to see the conversation in ALL channels, not tab to see the first...then tab to see the second...etc
[11:13] <JasonL> i think the router is the problem, i have all msn ports open but still no luck
[11:14] <rackerz> yep. its stupid, kopete shouldn't even be asking for ports it should just try to let it all work.
[11:14] <judgen> kkathman:  then use kopete
[11:14] <judgen> kkathman:  there are no tabls
[11:14] <judgen> tabs
[11:14] <kkathman> judgen:  I use kvirc :)
[11:14] <rackerz> judgen so do you have any idea how i can get webcam working?
[11:14] <JasonL> i can understand it wanting ports, but theres not much info on what ports
[11:15] <rackerz> yeah i know :(
[11:15] <JasonL> anyone actually know what ports kopete uses for file transfer?
[11:15] <judgen> rackerz: what chipset of you webcam
[11:15] <judgen> rackerz:  i use a bt878 and it has worked for years
[11:15] <Christmas_> Qt: 3.3.6
[11:15] <Christmas_> KDE: 3.5.2
[11:15] <Christmas_> kde-config: 1.0
[11:16] <rackerz> judgen logitech quickcam messenger, it works in kopete fine. i can send my webcam to my brother who is in my network. just not to my friends who are outside it
[11:16] <judgen> aaah, then its the usual forwading error
[11:16] <h3sp4wn> DaSkreech: I was setting up a company I would use sunrays I like the smartcard way of doing stuff - does ubuntu support sunray server ?
[11:16] <judgen> rackerz: just forward the regular webcam ports
[11:16] <rackerz> judgen what are they?
[11:16] <JasonL> judgen, what are the ports for file transfer?
[11:17] <judgen> windows bypasses this by using a "lmited udp" connection
[11:17] <DaSkreech> h3sp4wn: /me shrugs
[11:17] <rackerz> judgen so how can it be fixed in linux? what are the ports?
[11:17] <judgen> rackerz: try googling, but its not kopete specific.. wecams in tcp mode all work in the same ports (mostly)
[11:17] <yannux> DaSkreech: are you here ? :)
[11:18] <DaSkreech> yannux: Yes
[11:18] <rackerz> MSN 1863-1863 tcp udp 192.168.1.2 (checked)
[11:18] <rackerz> MSN 5190-5190 udp 192.168.1.2 (checked)
[11:18] <rackerz> MSN 6891-6900 tcp 192.168.1.2 (checked)
[11:18] <rackerz> MSN 6901-6901 tcp udp 192.168.1.2 (checked)
[11:18] <rackerz> do they look correct judgen?
[11:18] <JasonL> judgen i have 3891 3901 and 3900 open, the msn ports, still no file transfer
[11:19] <rackerz> 6891 for transfer i think./
[11:19] <yannux> DaSkreech:  yeah pv  ;)
[11:19] <judgen> rackerz: ye
[11:19] <judgen> sure does
[11:19] <JasonL> oh, sorry
[11:19] <JasonL> 3=6
[11:19] <JasonL> got them wrong
[11:20] <DaSkreech> Really?
[11:20] <rackerz> ah :P
[11:20] <DaSkreech> :-)
[11:20] <DaSkreech> new math
[11:20] <JasonL> 6891 6901 and 6900
[11:20] <judgen> the webcam in msn uses udp so it does not work the same way.. you have to forward udp too
[11:20] <judgen> not only tcp ports
[11:20] <JasonL> sure is DaSkreech
[11:20] <rackerz> so the udp ports as well as tcp?
[11:20] <judgen> yes
[11:21] <judgen> ofcourse
[11:21] <JasonL> i have both open :(
[11:21] <rackerz> i'll be back in abit then :P
[11:21] <JasonL> transfers still jus hang
[11:21] <mikedep333> hey guys, how do I put my comp in hibernate or the other power states from KDE upon my request?
[11:21] <mikedep333> I know it works, since the power daemon can do those states.
[11:22] <mikedep333> in my previous distro, I could do this from the logout/shutdown menu
[11:22] <marcello> hello
[11:22] <judgen> DaSkreech: you are becoming an regular in #kubuntu arent you =) i always like a regular =)
[11:23] <aboapri> has anyone had problems with the screen saver not starting?
[11:23] <judgen> aboapri: gl-screensaver?
[11:23] <aboapri> any screensaver.
[11:23] <mikedep333> aboapri, no
[11:23] <mikedep333> I've had trouble with it continuing to stay animated
[11:23] <judgen> mikedep333: is the preview blac?
[11:24] <judgen> black
[11:24] <march2> hi people, i just installed a kubuntu system dapper drake, but i cannot find out how to install the kde in my language with this new package manager
[11:24] <JasonL> oo
[11:24] <JasonL> transfers are working i think
[11:24] <mikedep333> jedgen: preview?
[11:24] <judgen> march2: what language?
[11:24] <aboapri> the preview works fine, it just won't start on it's own.
[11:24] <march2> italian
[11:24] <mikedep333> judgen: oh
[11:24] <JasonL> in kopete is there an easier way to send files than going through all the menus
[11:24] <judgen> mikedep333: use kcontrol and look at the screensavers
[11:24] <aboapri> it used to work, I think I broke it somehow.
[11:24] <mikedep333> I don't use the preview for long enough
[11:24] <judgen> JasonL: right click the username and add
[11:24] <mikedep333> it only seems to stop being animated after dozens of minutes
[11:25] <march2> in the list of the packages there are no language packs at all
[11:25] <judgen> oh, you mean the msn protocol?
[11:25] <mikedep333> it's really not a big deal though
[11:25] <judgen> ok
[11:25] <aboapri> I think I had that stopping animating problem before I had the not working problem.
[11:25] <JasonL> judgen i dont see where you men
[11:25] <JasonL> mean*
[11:26] <judgen> screensavers isnt a issue if you have a apm screen manager installed..
[11:26] <judgen> i have used the 2minutes-noaction
[11:26] <aboapri> I think it was related to the power-saving mode, I think that if you don't have the power saving set up right, then when it tries to turn on, it just freezes your screen saver instead.
[11:26] <judgen> then the screen shutdown
[11:26] <JasonL> ahh i see it
[11:27] <JasonL> im gonna hav eto reinstall kubuntu =(
[11:27] <judgen> i will never reboot to windows again (except to try new beta apps for scummvm.org
[11:27] <aboapri> the closest thing to windows I will run is reactos
[11:27] <JasonL> and hope that when i end current session it no longer hangs
[11:27] <march2> can someone tell me how to get all those packages i dont have in the list please
[11:27] <judgen> i have osx86, beos and ubuntu installed, nothin needed in windows
[11:27] <mikedep333> !components
[11:27] <ubotu> The rationale behind the different components of the ubuntu repositories (main, restricted, universe, multiverse) is described at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components
[11:28] <judgen> march2: what do you mean?
[11:28] <mikedep333> march2: you may need to add other components
[11:28] <march2> yes
[11:28] <aboapri> beos huh?  I didn't think that really worked well on modern computers?
[11:28] <judgen> then just add repos
[11:28] <mikedep333> *other repositories
[11:28] <march2> i need to install new software but there is not in the list
[11:28] <judgen> aboapri:  VERY wrong
[11:28] <march2> i already removed the # from the source list
[11:29] <aboapri> I had the impression that if you had a newer computer your best bet was to shell out the dough for zeta.
[11:29] <judgen> beos/zeta has better hardware support than any non win-linux os in the world
[11:29] <aboapri> which I actually contemplated.
[11:29] <MrKeuner> hi, is there a way that I keep both ubuntu-desktop and kubuntu-desktop and let them do not see each other? I mean in the application menu's of gnome I do not want to see any Kapplications and vice versa. Also when I right click on a spesific file, gnome should not list a KDE app to use to open with. thanks
[11:29] <judgen> including solaris in some cases
[11:29] <judgen> and the 4 sec bootup is a nice factor why i still use it
[11:29] <aboapri> yeah, I like fast boot times.  :)
[11:30] <judgen> but i cant recomend it to anyone that wasnt part of the be.inc era
[11:30] <aboapri> you run a free beos?  no zeta?
[11:30] <mikedep333> MrKreuner: I think your asking simply for KDE not to show gnome apps and gnome not to show kde apps.
[11:30] <mikedep333> in their start menus
[11:30] <MrKeuner> yes
[11:30] <mikedep333> *application menus
[11:30] <judgen> aboapri: i have both
[11:30] <MrKeuner> both
[11:30] <judgen> but not actually free, i rin the bought R5-pro and Zeta
[11:30] <mikedep333> well, I know that KDE and GNOME used to have incompatible menus
[11:30] <mikedep333> so there probably is a way
[11:30] <mikedep333> to restore that
[11:31] <DaSkreech> aboapri: Is Zeta teh new Haiku?
[11:31] <judgen> after getting used to the Tracker(tm) you get very angry at the very low speed of Explorer and X11
[11:31] <aboapri> zeta and haiku are completely different.
[11:31] <judgen> DaSkreech:  NO
[11:31] <DaSkreech> ok
[11:31] <aboapri> zeta is a commercial product.
[11:31] <aboapri> haiku looks pretty promising, in like, 5 years maybe.  lol
[11:31] <judgen> DaSkreech: haiku is haiku on new source, zeta is BeOS 6 maintained by a german comeny
[11:31] <Chousuke> :D
[11:31] <march2> added all the repositals but still no kde-i18-langcode files
[11:31] <judgen> company
[11:31] <MrKeuner> mikedep333/ can you give me more clues to do that?
[11:32] <Chousuke> in 5 years it's too late :(
[11:32] <judgen> aboapri:  haiku can do most things that linux can by now, but lacks software
[11:32] <mikedep333> MrKreuner: In KDE, you can edit the app menu
[11:32] <judgen> aboapri: we can play full speed quake3 now on haiku
[11:32] <mikedep333> by right clicking on it
[11:32] <Chousuke> there's no opportunity for new OSes anymore.
[11:32] <MrKeuner> I see just editing them manually...
[11:32] <judgen> Chousuke: stop beeing silly
[11:32] <DaSkreech> judgen: Ah right
[11:32] <aboapri> no kidding huh?  I thought haiku was not even in a usable state yet?
[11:32] <mikedep333> yeah
[11:33] <Mongey> !theme
[11:33] <JasonL> which package do i install for firefox?
[11:33] <judgen> Chousuke: all oss has a market, but the desktop are might be full
[11:33] <aboapri> I never saw any downloads on their website...  save a dev kit I think.
[11:33] <JasonL> mozilla-firefox?
[11:33] <mikedep333> I think KDE and GNOME have different default folders to list the app menu shortcuts
[11:33] <Chousuke> judgen: yeah. and Haiku aims for the desktop.
[11:33] <Chousuke> not going to happen.
[11:33] <Chousuke> it'll have its users.
[11:33] <mikedep333> but I can't help you with simply seperating all of them myself
[11:33] <Chousuke> but it's not going to spread everywhere.
[11:33] <judgen> there is always imbedded devices, servers, handhelds, low-watt and many more categories where windows and linux dont cut it
[11:34] <Chousuke> Hmm.
[11:34] <judgen> in low watt areas window sucks ballz
[11:34] <mikedep333> so does linux
[11:34] <mikedep333> windows still has better power management I think
[11:34] <Chousuke> Now that you mention it, Haiku might do pretty well on some media center.
[11:34] <mikedep333> or at least it had decent power management before linux
[11:35] <judgen> havent imcluded any powermanagement in wme above acpi, that is why f.i palmos can work longer on the same batteries
[11:35] <Chousuke> it has a snappy, lightweight GUI :)
[11:35] <judgen> Chousuke: sure is
[11:35] <rackerz> judgen: the cam still doesn't work :(
[11:35] <ahmeni> Haiku is pretty neat, I used to use Matchbox on my tv-top box
[11:35] <judgen> and tracker+bfs makes it virtually the fastest ever
[11:36] <judgen> rackerz:  wierd
[11:36] <rackerz> judgen: indeed.
[11:36] <judgen> are you sure that you dont have an internal firewall installed on you network that might fudge you up?
[11:36] <aboapri> where can I find an iso for haiku?
[11:36] <JasonL> when i try and open a .rar file with Ark it says that unrar is not in my PATH, but unrar is installed
[11:36] <mikedep333> aboapri: I think haiku is too incomplete for them to provide one
[11:36] <judgen> aboapri: i only have an vmware image, but that makes it slow as there are no drivers for the vmware "simulated devices"
[11:37] <judgen> mikedep333: NO
[11:37] <mikedep333> I believe haiku is just providing replacements for individual parts of BeOS
[11:37] <mikedep333> oh, ok
[11:37] <judgen> mikedep333: its available allright
[11:37] <aboapri> oh, I see.
[11:37] <rackerz> judgen: the only thing i have is a router
[11:37] <aboapri> I would like a free os that doesn't take forever to boot up.
[11:37] <judgen> but networking is beeing rewritten this summer, so i recomend waithin untill the bsd netstack is implemented
[11:37] <EvilIdler> My Ubuntu boots real quick
[11:37] <rackerz> you talking to me?
[11:37] <rackerz> lol
[11:37] <mikedep333> http://haiku-os.org/downloads.php?mode=user
[11:38] <judgen> aboapri: it only uses a few mb (50 i think with full install)
[11:38] <mikedep333> well, they hide their ISO alright
[11:38] <judgen> mikedep333:  waht me to find it for you?
[11:38] <aboapri> that minix3 looks promising too.
[11:38] <mikedep333> judgen: if it isn't too much work
[11:38] <aboapri> someone needs to build debian on top of it.
[11:39] <mikedep333> I would like to tryout haikuOS sometime
[11:39] <judgen> minix on the other hand is a very limited projedt, with no "real" progress in a while
[11:39] <rackerz> judgen: what should i do? do you have any other suggestions?
[11:39] <judgen> mikedep333:  they hare hireing theyr second full time developer this summer (the guy that is going to write the net-stack
[11:39] <mrmist> Anyone know what the "i2c" module in xorg.conf is ???
[11:40] <mikedep333> I hope that goes well
[11:40] <aboapri> geeah....  maybe I'll just shell out the cash for zeta.  I hate the idea of spending money on software though, lol.
[11:40] <judgen> rackerz: as i dont use usb webcams i dont know.... i only use bt-based cams
[11:40] <mikedep333> I know that OSS projects that hire people and not others often have tension
[11:40] <rackerz> bt-based?
[11:40] <judgen> bt878  to be exact
[11:40] <JasonL> where can i get unrar from?
[11:40] <mikedep333> bt chipsets are nice and compatible under linux
[11:40] <LinuxMonkey> !rar
[11:40] <ubotu> somebody said rar was a non-free archive format created by Rarsoft. For instructions on accessing .rar files through the Archive Manager view https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FileCompression
[11:41] <JasonL> i have unrar free
[11:41] <judgen> pci-card (with tv-tuner and two composite, one for webcam and one for regular comp-in, and also has a svideo in)
[11:41] <judgen> hauppage usre does the best video in cards in the world for a sub1000 pricerange
[11:41] <JasonL> E: Package unrar has no installation candidat
[11:42] <judgen> and its supported fully in almost every desktop os ever created
[11:42] <aboapri> so what do y'all think of reactos?  that's rather small and fast-booting....  seems decent...  but I somehow feel that being based on windows may taint it with evil.  :))
[11:42] <mikedep333> judgen: I have a hauppauge wintv pvr 150 MCE with a conexant chipset, it is good but could be better
[11:42] <mikedep333> aboapri: I love reactos, or rather will once it is more complete
[11:42] <judgen> connexant? didnt thing they still exist
[11:42] <LinuxMonkey> JasonL:  do u have your repositories universe and multiverse
[11:43] <judgen> i have a brooktree chipset
[11:43] <JasonL> yes
[11:43] <JasonL> i enabled all
[11:43] <mikedep333> judgen: like for one thing
[11:43] <judgen> there is NO usb webcam that even compares to a real pci- bt878b
[11:43] <mikedep333> with the mpeg2 encoding going, there is a 1 second delay with the video
[11:43] <mikedep333> without it, it looks like crap
[11:43] <aboapri> some guy at work was trying to say he's going to get a beta copy of vista today.
[11:43] <judgen> i have no delay on my sends...
[11:43] <mikedep333> either way, you can't hook up an interactive signal to it
[11:44] <aboapri> and he totally expects me to care.
[11:44] <LinuxMonkey> JasonL: you must not have multiverse enabled
[11:44] <mikedep333> judgen: you do not have an mpeg2 encoding card I think
[11:44] <seth_> Hello everyone.
[11:44] <JasonL> ok
[11:44] <judgen> yes
[11:44] <JasonL> ill disable
[11:44] <mikedep333> I have a BT card, not delay cuz it is software based
[11:44] <aboapri> No matter how many times I tell people, I can't ever convince anyone that they should stop using Windows.
[11:44] <JasonL> how do i disable just multi?
[11:44] <LinuxMonkey> JasonL: follow guide here https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuAddingRepositoriesHowto
[11:44] <judgen> actually i have one ofthe few 64bit pci cards from hauppage
[11:44] <mikedep333> hey seth_
[11:44] <judgen> that includes an decoder
[11:44] <mrmist> how do i "run Xgl as a session inside of an existing X windows session"
[11:44] <seth_> hey mike
[11:44] <mrmist> ??
[11:45] <judgen> mrmist: why do you want xgl?
[11:45] <mikedep333> mrmist: you can do that? cool
[11:45] <aboapri> I work in a machine shop...  we have some CNCs....  one of them has been having problems....  it actually runs windows 95!
[11:45] <seth_> Are there any web sites that have programs for ubuntu??
[11:45] <aboapri> I have been trying to talk them into letting me install linux on it, but they won't!
[11:45] <judgen> aboapri: seth_ dried using the repos?
[11:45] <mikedep333> seth_: the vast majority of software for ubuntu is in the repositories
[11:45] <judgen> seth: what functionality do you need?
[11:46] <mikedep333> winehq has one for ubuntu for wine itself I know
[11:46] <LinuxMonkey> seth_: we have many many programs built into the repositories, use adept to see them
[11:46] <seth_> ??
[11:46] <judgen> LinuxMonkey: apt-get ffs!
[11:46] <LinuxMonkey> what judgen?
[11:47] <aboapri> ok, so this question is probably going to sound real dumb, but how do I make a program start with kde?
[11:47] <kkathman> what is an aiz file?
[11:48] <seth_> WTF?/
[11:48] <katakombi> aboapri out it in the autostart folder
[11:48] <seth_> Why was I kicked?
[11:48] <kkathman> anyone know what to do with an aiz file??
[11:48] <aboapri> ok, where's that.
[11:48] <kkathman> seth:  Nick collision
[11:48] <aboapri> seth, change your name
[11:49] <seth> will people stop pinging me please :P
[11:49] <seth> will people stop pinging me please :P
[11:49] <kkathman> seth_ nick collision
[11:49] <chavo> aboapri, ~/.kde/Autostart or Go- Autostart in konq
[11:49] <kkathman> seth: change your name
[11:49] <aboapri> thanks
[11:49] <seth> aboapri, just make sure that your file is executable, once you put it in Autostart
[11:49] <DaSkreech> judgen: Yeah I'd like to see that ISO btw :)
[11:50] <aboapri> can I just make a launcher?
[11:50] <chavo> you can drag Icons from kmeu there also or put .desktop files
[11:50] <LinuxMonkey> lol doent he learn
[11:50] <seth> I'm tempted to ban him until he changes his nick, just to stop the annoyingness
[11:50] <zblach> hey, can you rename a computer?
[11:51] <seth> dude, change your nick already
[11:51] <seth> bah, gone again
[11:51] <LinuxMonkey> i sent him a msg he should of gotten it
[11:51] <katakombi> hehe
[11:51] <aboapri> ok, great.
[11:52] <LinuxMonkey> :)
[11:52] <aboapri> yeah, I needed KDE to autostart xfishtank.
[11:52] <Sethwm2> Can you tell I am new??
[11:52] <Sethwm2> LMAO
[11:52] <aboapri> cause I got a cute kitty cat wallwaper.
[11:52] <LinuxMonkey> lol
[11:52] <Sethwm2> Sorry about that.
[11:52] <aboapri> and the effect of fish swimming around the cat's head is just awesome.  :)
[11:52] <LinuxMonkey> its ok Sethwm2 it happens to the best of us
[11:53] <xwolf-> Sethwm2 you really got nick issues don't you?
[11:53] <Sethwm2> lol
[11:53] <Sethwm2> Yeah
[11:53] <Sethwm2> I am new with linux and ubuntu.
[11:53] <katakombi> maybe registering helps
[11:53] <Sethwm2> And I am so confused.
[11:53] <Sethwm2> how do I register?
[11:54] <katakombi> i meant your nick
[11:54] <Sethwm2> I know.
[11:54] <aboapri> I have been using linux and ubuntu for about 6 months now.  and I'm still confused.
[11:54] <xwolf-> /nickserv help
[11:55] <judgen> ok yu wanted the haiku iso?
[11:55] <aboapri> linux is like othello.  a minute to learn, a lifetime to master.
[11:55] <judgen> DaSkreech: http://www.schmidp.com/public/haiku/images/rev17778_raw.tar.bz2
[11:55] <judgen> thats the iso
[11:56] <judgen> for haiku
[11:56] <Sethwm2> REGISTER Nick
[11:56] <Sethwm2> ??
[11:56] <judgen> Sethwm2: what is confusing?
[11:57] <DaSkreech> judgen: Thanks
[11:57] <DaSkreech> 15Mb?
[11:57] <judgen> DaSkreech: yes, highly compressed
[11:58] <judgen> it extracts to about 50mb
[11:58] <Sethwm2>  /msg NickServ <command>
[11:58] <Sethwm2> ?
[11:58] <judgen> its abcause they cant include any beos software, so you will have to download thet yourself
[11:58] <judgen> DaSkreech: its a very basic, its only the base system
[11:59] <LjL> 1) any idea why my DNS server settings are not remembered?     2) anyone else having the usplash shutdown screen not showing (actually, only the second part of it showing), except that it does show up *if* the shutdown is performed from KDM?
[11:59] <judgen> DaSkreech: but with downloads it runs most beos software
[11:59] <geotsai> sethwm2, learn how to use irc properly plz...
[11:59] <honkertd> is there a good site where i can get a list of free useful software for Windows converts?
[11:59] <honkertd> like myself
[11:59] <LjL> honkertd: yes
[11:59] <LjL> !alternatives
[11:59] <ubotu> well, alternatives is should you require to change the default applications system wide, use "sudo update-alternatives --all" it provides choice where available to the machine. example: kde/gnome or nano/vi/emacs
[12:00] <judgen> honkertd: the apps is all in the repos allready
[12:00] <LjL> hmm no not that
[12:00] <geotsai> what do u mean then?
[12:00] <judgen> honkertd: just figure out what functionality you need and ask what pkg you need
[12:01] <honkertd> i'm looking for an ftp client that supports sending between two ftp servers (like smart ftp for win)
[12:01] <DaSkreech> the tags in adept rock :-)
[12:01] <LjL> honkertd:
[12:01] <LjL> !alternative
[12:01] <Sethwm2> There
[12:01] <LjL> h
[12:01] <LjL> s
[12:01] <ubotu> hmm... alternative is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WhatWindowsUsersWant
[12:01] <LjL> this one
[12:01] <DaSkreech> judgen: tried using them to find out apackage you need?
[12:01] <aboapri> you know what windows app I miss?  k-meleon.  that has got to be the greatest web browser of all time.
[12:02] <Sethwm2> ?
[12:02] <DrBair> aboapri: it can't possibly be better than Konq :-)
[12:03] <Sethwm2> am I all set now?
[12:03] <aboapri> I like it better than konqueror, to be honest.
[12:03] <aboapri> but konqueror is quite good.  It's the best reason to use KDE.