| linuxmonkey | yeah at 14000+ they give ya a bullet and at 50000+they give you the gun to go with it :) | 12:05 |
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| nixternal | haha | 12:05 |
| nixternal | that would be my luck | 12:05 |
| nixternal | or my kind of karma you could say | 12:05 |
| linuxmonkey | lol | 12:07 |
| linuxmonkey | how long does it usually take for a mailing list post to propergate | 12:07 |
| mdke | few minutes | 12:08 |
| linuxmonkey | ah just wondering cause i sent it 10 minutes ago and wondering if any got it | 12:09 |
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| mdke | http://www.mdke.org/blog/FragmentedDocumentation.html feedback would be great | 12:34 |
| linuxmonkey | mdke: arent u supposed to be working or be at work | 12:35 |
| linuxmonkey | lol | 12:35 |
| mdke | at midnight? | 12:35 |
| linuxmonkey | oh i thought u had to work right now..lol | 12:35 |
| mdke | no, thankfully not | 12:36 |
| Burgwork | linuxmonkey, no, thats me :) | 12:36 |
| mdke | linuxmonkey: smaller screenshots would definitely be good | 12:36 |
| linuxmonkey | yeah | 12:37 |
| linuxmonkey | thats i can do thats no prob | 12:37 |
| theCore | mdke: sweet page, btw | 12:38 |
| linuxmonkey | other than the big imges what u think mdke | 12:39 |
| mdke | thanks. I just realised I was posting about this all over the place, but hadn't got my thoughts organised in one place, and i thought it would help me think | 12:39 |
| mdke | linuxmonkey: looks good. There are a couple of typos and the table of contents is a bit weird (only one section), but it looks fine to me. I'll leave more detailed comments to the kubuntu guys | 12:40 |
| theCore | mdke: do you a blogging software, or you're writing all this by hand? | 12:40 |
| mdke | well, I write the posts by hand... | 12:40 |
| linuxmonkey | yeah the table of content is there cause there's more going into it | 12:40 |
| mdke | the blog software is pyblosxom, with static html | 12:40 |
| mdke | linuxmonkey: ah, great | 12:41 |
| mdke | linuxmonkey: in kde do you really have to run adept like that? It doesn't have a menu entry? | 12:41 |
| nixternal | just do the echo >> trick...adept = to slow for me | 12:42 |
| linuxmonkey | yeah there;s a few adept in the menu | 12:42 |
| linuxmonkey | there's and adept installer too so not to confuse people the run command is easyest | 12:42 |
| linuxmonkey | mdke: the typo's i think should be fixed now | 12:45 |
| mdke | Your Lulu Order Has Shipped | 12:46 |
| mdke | kickass | 12:46 |
| theCore | mdke: Hmm, it would be a great challenge to merge all the documention scattered around the communities | 12:47 |
| mdke | yeah, wishful thinking maybe | 12:47 |
| theCore | mdke: but, it worth to try | 12:47 |
| theCore | wishful thinking, I like that expression | 12:47 |
| linuxmonkey | mdke: it probably easyer to start fresh.lol sad to say | 12:47 |
| theCore | linuxmonkey: I don't think so | 12:47 |
| mdke | we have social barriers though at the moment. I'm hoping that if we take the lead with the help.ubuntu.com site, we can encourage collaboration by inspiring it | 12:48 |
| theCore | mdke: the main problem is not everyone has the same skills | 12:48 |
| mdke | true, that's not a problem, but an advantage, if you look at it right | 12:49 |
| theCore | mdke: some peoples, even if they know the answer to a problem, won't write a doc about it | 12:50 |
| mdke | of course. That's fine | 12:50 |
| theCore | mdke: simply because, they aren't confortable with Docbook, or the Wiki | 12:50 |
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| mdke | theCore: right. | 12:50 |
| mvirkkil | mdke: http://iquaid.livejournal.com/ | 12:51 |
| mvirkkil | mdke: fyi: the testwiki is broken atm. | 12:51 |
| theCore | mdke: although, what we should do is to provider a uniform layer over all the docs. Like giving the ``Render as Docbook'' option for the Wiki | 12:52 |
| mdke | mvirkkil: looking | 12:53 |
| mdke | theCore: yes, that is a very exciting project (you know mvirkkil is the author, right?) | 12:53 |
| theCore | mdke: for the forums, it would certainly be a challenge | 12:53 |
| theCore | oh | 12:54 |
| mdke | mvirkkil: SOMEONE HAS LINKED TO MY BLOG | 12:54 |
| mdke | i'm so excited | 12:54 |
| mvirkkil | mdke: :P | 12:54 |
| theCore | mvirkkil: nice feature | 12:54 |
| mvirkkil | theCore: Thanks. Not originally my idea. Henrik asked me to work on it, like a year ago. | 12:55 |
| mdke | henrik is so sharp | 12:55 |
| mdke | his ideas always turn out to be way ahead of the rest | 12:55 |
| mvirkkil | theCore: I did the initial version then, it got a few patches (that broke the docbook) | 12:55 |
| theCore | hehe | 12:56 |
| mvirkkil | I'm just a code monkey, doing what is asked of him ;) | 12:56 |
| mdke | mvirkkil: what does your mentor do? | 12:56 |
| mvirkkil | mdke: He's on the docteam. He's not a coder, so patrik barnes (nman) helpes with technical stuff. | 12:57 |
| mvirkkil | mdke: I suppose he's your equivalent afaic in fedora. | 12:57 |
| mdke | that's his job, or he is a volunteer? | 12:58 |
| theCore | there is a lot of howtos on forums, it would be great to bring them all into a single authoritative source | 12:58 |
| mvirkkil | mdke: I think it's his job. | 12:58 |
| mdke | cool | 12:58 |
| theCore | anyone know what happened with the Google's Summer of Codes? | 12:59 |
| mvirkkil | theCore: ? | 12:59 |
| mvirkkil | theCore: I'm one. | 12:59 |
| theCore | mvirkkil: lucky | 01:00 |
| mvirkkil | theCore: For fedora :) | 01:00 |
| theCore | ah | 01:00 |
| theCore | mvirkkil: what's your project? | 01:01 |
| mdke | pretty nice docmentation guide they have at fedora | 01:01 |
| mdke | theCore: moin -> docbook is his project | 01:01 |
| mvirkkil | theCore: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MoinDocBookProject | 01:01 |
| theCore | mvirkkil: ahh | 01:01 |
| theCore | mvirkkil: sweet | 01:01 |
| mvirkkil | theCore: :D | 01:01 |
| mdke | xmlto for pdf eh | 01:02 |
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| theCore | ah, I found | 01:10 |
| theCore | http://code.google.com/soc/ubuntu/about.html | 01:11 |
| theCore | there's a lot projects for Ubuntu | 01:11 |
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| mvirkkil | I wonder on what basis it's decided how many projects an org get to have | 01:13 |
| mvirkkil | becausewhen you compare ubuntus list to fedoras, it just seems odd. | 01:14 |
| mdke | crazy, in fact | 01:14 |
| theCore | mvirkkil: I think it depend of the size of the organisation, Google gives to each org. a limit of projects they can have | 01:15 |
| mdke | that doesn't justify the difference between Ubuntu and Fedora | 01:16 |
| mdke | Ubuntu has more than it can justifiably handle | 01:17 |
| mdke | fedora has 5 | 01:17 |
| theCore | maybe, fedora had less interesting project submitted to them, I don't know | 01:20 |
| theCore | or maybe, Google likes Ubuntu better | 01:20 |
| LaserJock | go goobuntu! | 01:21 |
| mdke | yes, that must be the answer | 01:21 |
| mdke | well, who can blame them, Ubuntu rocks | 01:21 |
| theCore | LaserJock: yeah, I heard about it :) | 01:23 |
| theCore | LaserJock: I got a question for you | 01:23 |
| theCore | LaserJock: do you think the MOTU would accept a package of emacs-snapshot? | 01:24 |
| LaserJock | umm, isn't there already one? | 01:27 |
| LaserJock | theCore: did you want to tweak the current snapshot package? | 01:28 |
| theCore | LaserJock: yeah, but it's quite outdated | 01:28 |
| LaserJock | of course it is, we froze | 01:28 |
| theCore | LaserJock: well, I would like to replace it with a newer version | 01:28 |
| LaserJock | or is that not the issue | 01:28 |
| LaserJock | theCore: the one from June 2nd that is in Debian isn't new enough? | 01:30 |
| theCore | LaserJock: their package is from the HEAD trunk, mine is from the XFT_JHD_BRANCH | 01:31 |
| theCore | LaserJock: maybe, I should do what Seveas does, build myself a personal repository | 01:32 |
| LaserJock | theCore: that is probably more likely than getting it into universe | 01:33 |
| LaserJock | you could always try to convince Debian to use the XFT_JHD_BRANCH | 01:33 |
| theCore | LaserJock: I think I would have a better chances winning at the lottery | 01:34 |
| theCore | Thank you for shopping at Lulu! - Yay | 01:42 |
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| theCore | mdke: do you know if there is a Docbook -> Latex converter? | 01:43 |
| LaserJock | theCore: hehe | 01:48 |
| theCore | LaserJock: I bought the PG | 01:49 |
| LaserJock | really? who would want to buy that piece of crap ;-) | 01:49 |
| LaserJock | hehe | 01:50 |
| LaserJock | if only we got a royalty, or at least karma for book sales ;-) | 01:50 |
| theCore | piece of crap? | 01:51 |
| theCore | :P | 01:51 |
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| theCore | mdke: I have some ideas about that BetterWikiDocs thing | 02:23 |
| LaserJock | theCore: like whate? | 02:28 |
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| theCore | We could separate the whole Wiki into a few sections. ( devel, troubleshooting, artwork, ideas, etc ) Each could have their own color "personally", so they would be easy to recognize them | 02:33 |
| LaserJock | hmm, except devel, artowork, and ideas don't sound like documentation | 02:34 |
| Kingbahamut | indeed | 02:34 |
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| LaserJock | crimsun: you can't do that now that you're core-dev | 02:35 |
| theCore | yeah, but the idea is to separate the Docs from w.u.c ? | 02:35 |
| LaserJock | yeah, but more so | 02:35 |
| LaserJock | like when I search on help.ubuntu.com for a doc I'm not really looking for a spec or some devel wiki page | 02:36 |
| crimsun | LaserJock: pwned. :( | 02:36 |
| LaserJock | hehe | 02:36 |
| Kingbahamut | one assumes not LaserJock | 02:36 |
| LaserJock | although it might be kinda cool to have links to the corresponding wiki.u.c search | 02:37 |
| LaserJock | just in case ;-) | 02:37 |
| theCore | "Lack of structure". I'm not sure we can solve this | 02:38 |
| LaserJock | why not? | 02:39 |
| theCore | well, how we could solve this? | 02:39 |
| LaserJock | I don't know but we are smart people. I'm guessing hard work | 02:42 |
| theCore | one way could to propose a StyleGuide for the wiki, but would stupid simply because less peoples would want to write wiki docs. | 02:43 |
| theCore | another way, would to separate the Wiki pages categorically, so peoples could inspire them-self with the other similiar docs | 02:45 |
| LaserJock | theCore: there is a style guide for the wiki | 02:45 |
| theCore | really? I never saw it. | 02:46 |
| theCore | we could also put a default template for each new page | 02:47 |
| theCore | based-on the category | 02:47 |
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| Burgundavia | Seveas: you still up? | 03:47 |
| Burgundavia | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OrinocoMonitorKismet2005Hoary?highlight=%28CategoryCleanup%29 | 04:09 |
| Burgundavia | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OrinocoMonitorKimset2005Hoary?highlight=%28CategoryCleanup%29 | 04:09 |
| Burgundavia | anybody use that? | 04:09 |
| robotgeek | nope, not me | 04:11 |
| nixternal | Burgundavia: i use it, but not on Hoary. I have it on Xubuntu, Nubuntu, and Kubuntu laptops..with the orinoco chipset | 04:12 |
| Burgundavia | nixternal: can you cleanup and merge those pages? grab a hoary install and play | 04:13 |
| nixternal | sure | 04:13 |
| nixternal | im sure it isn't much different...the one main thing with kismet to get it running is a simple config fix..especially for orinoco | 04:13 |
| Burgundavia | cool, the simpler you can make the document, the better | 04:14 |
| nixternal | roger that | 04:14 |
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| nixternal | grabbing breezy and hoary Burgundavia, ubuntu style, I use Kubuntu, so for Dapper I don't think their is a difference in setup between Ubuntu and Kubuntu..since Kismet runs in a terminal | 04:41 |
| Burgundavia | nixternal: yep | 04:41 |
| nixternal | hehe..gotta tear up my hacktop for this one | 04:41 |
| Burgundavia | try and emphasize graphic tools though | 04:41 |
| nixternal | ok..so try to stay away from the sudo apt-get's | 04:42 |
| nixternal | if that is so..then it will be real easy to do this. Since Kismet is in the repositories | 04:42 |
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| nixternal | another question is do we need to stick with the Hoary and Breezy on this, as I believe that a repository install is going to be the same for each setup. | 04:44 |
| nixternal | this could be made small and to the point really...its as simple as $ sudo apt-get install kismet | 04:44 |
| nixternal | then sudo nano /etc/kismet/something.conf | 04:44 |
| Burgundavia | it should talk about hoary/breezy and dapper | 04:44 |
| nixternal | hopefully i can repository install with hoary and breezy also..i kno wi can with breezy..at least with hoary i hope so | 04:45 |
| Burgundavia | cool | 04:45 |
| Burgundavia | then redirect those pages to something generic, like OrinocoKismet | 04:45 |
| nixternal | ya...i was going to recommend a name change | 04:46 |
| Burgundavia | oh, btw, can you split out the orinoco parts? | 04:46 |
| Burgundavia | nixternal: that talks about installing a network card and then sniffing no? | 04:46 |
| nixternal | not really..each wifi card is different...there are only a handful of cards that will work with kismet | 04:46 |
| Burgundavia | ah, ok | 04:46 |
| Burgundavia | does orinoco work ootb? | 04:47 |
| nixternal | for breezy and dapper yes | 04:47 |
| nixternal | i will see with hoary | 04:47 |
| Burgundavia | can you abstract it to just a kismet page? | 04:47 |
| nixternal | this page has so much stuff...it is pretty much Orinoco | 04:47 |
| Burgundavia | maybe Kismet/Orinoco at most | 04:47 |
| nixternal | Kismet/Orinoco would be decent, but he also has Wifi Radar and iwlist in here also | 04:47 |
| Burgundavia | ugh, can that be decently split out? | 04:48 |
| nixternal | this is like a HackWirelessWithOrinoco | 04:48 |
| nixternal | LOL | 04:48 |
| nixternal | I haven't seen Wifi Radar in a while either | 04:48 |
| nixternal | us wireless guys us Kismet at times...but rely on airsnort and aircrack for most work | 04:49 |
| nixternal | Burgundavia: tell you what i can do, is i can work this up with kate, and then show you my proposal, and we can go from there. how does that sound? | 04:50 |
| Burgundavia | sounds good | 04:50 |
| nixternal | ok..good..i wil do that then | 04:50 |
| nixternal | oh no...gotta find some blank cd's | 04:52 |
| nixternal | ;) | 04:52 |
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| nixternal | Burgundavia: on the install and my orinoco wifi works with breezy...so breezy and dapper will be exactly the same | 05:03 |
| Burgundavia | nixternal: sweet | 05:03 |
| nixternal | im going to concentrate on hoary now then | 05:03 |
| nixternal | right now the lappy is sitting at the "[!] Configure the network" screen on the breezy desktop install...and i can ping it | 05:04 |
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| nixternal | actually..i need to make sure though it is using orinoco and not ndiswrapper...so i need to commit...grrr | 05:04 |
| Burgundavia | ndiswrapper is not enabled by default | 05:05 |
| Burgundavia | hey bhuvan | 05:05 |
| nixternal | its not...well then that is a good thing. | 05:05 |
| nixternal | that means i can stop here and work with hoary then | 05:06 |
| nixternal | your a savior there | 05:06 |
| Burgundavia | hey LaserJock | 05:14 |
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| Burgundavia | hey darsha | 05:14 |
| darsha | what do you know : ) | 05:15 |
| darsha | I noticed that there was an art team, that sounds interesting | 05:16 |
| bhuvan | hello Burgundavia | 05:16 |
| Burgundavia | mostly a disorganized lot, the art team | 05:17 |
| Burgundavia | probably better to stay here, we are fairly efficient and on track | 05:17 |
| robotgeek | heh | 05:17 |
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| Burgundavia | when you get sabdfl riding you to get stuff done, you know you are messed | 05:19 |
| nixternal | Burgundavia: hoary has also detected the card and initialised dhcp from the get go...what should i do?? Kismet is in the repositories. It should install on Hoary, Breezy, and Dapper from the repositories. So the only real thing that would need to be done is the Kismet.conf | 05:19 |
| robotgeek | lol | 05:19 |
| nixternal | however, I am going to commit with Hoary to confirm this | 05:20 |
| Burgundavia | nixternal: cool, favour default over custom hacks | 05:20 |
| nixternal | yes | 05:21 |
| nixternal | i think all he was showing was that he patched his orinoco card | 05:21 |
| nixternal | that is the only thing i can see he did that would warrent everything he did with that page | 05:21 |
| LaserJock | Burgundavia: well, I have Tim riding me, does that mean I'm messed | 05:21 |
| Burgundavia | LaserJock: iffy | 05:22 |
| LaserJock | :-) | 05:22 |
| jsgotangco | Tim? | 05:23 |
| LaserJock | I didn't know DM is mentioned in the Dapper release announcement :( | 05:23 |
| jsgotangco | DM? | 05:23 |
| LaserJock | nosey jsgotangco | 05:23 |
| Burgundavia | jsgotangco: product from my work | 05:23 |
| LaserJock | :-) | 05:24 |
| Burgundavia | LaserJock: no, we are going to have a seperate press release | 05:24 |
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| Burgundavia | jsgotangco: patience and all will become clear | 05:24 |
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| LaserJock | Burgundavia: but it is in the release announcement, not really noticably but it's there | 05:25 |
| Burgundavia | LaserJock: yep, hence the hurry up email we got from Malcolm today | 05:25 |
| LaserJock | yeah | 05:25 |
| LaserJock | nice to annouce stuff that hasn't happened yet ;-) | 05:25 |
| LaserJock | I guess that's the corporate software world | 05:25 |
| LaserJock | PR and marketing | 05:26 |
| Burgundavia | LaserJock: I don't understand it, I just sell the stuff | 05:26 |
| robotgeek | hmm, turn away from the screen for a minute, and i am lost :) | 05:26 |
| jsgotangco | same here | 05:26 |
| Burgundavia | robotgeek: Laserjock is doing some work for my company and it will be announced soon enough | 05:26 |
| LaserJock | Burgundavia: and I try to package it, at least a little bit;-) | 05:27 |
| robotgeek | Burgundavia: ah okay, cool | 05:27 |
| Burgundavia | it will be shiny, crashy and probably mostly useless, tbh | 05:28 |
| LaserJock | I wonder how the vmware package is going | 05:28 |
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| nixternal | Burgundavia: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/766703 | 07:06 |
| nixternal | ^^that would be the outcome of using dapper repositories to install the latest version from repositories | 07:06 |
| Burgundavia | nixternal: on dapper, with only dapper? | 07:06 |
| nixternal | well..the latest in the repositories in the the dapper repositiories... | 07:07 |
| nixternal | repository install = easiest...can be compiled like the site shows...and just cleaned up | 07:07 |
| nixternal | your call | 07:07 |
| Burgundavia | sorry, I don't follow | 07:07 |
| Burgundavia | are you trying to use dapper repos on older versions of Ubuntu? | 07:07 |
| nixternal | for the kismet to try this out yes i was | 07:08 |
| Burgundavia | that is not recommended | 07:08 |
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| nixternal | i found an old version of kismet in the hoary multiverse repos...and i mean old...i could go ahead and utilize the information on the wiki already..just clean it up and make it user friendly as much as possible | 07:08 |
| Burgundavia | can you not use that releases repos? | 07:08 |
| Burgundavia | how old? does it work? | 07:09 |
| nixternal | old..and no it doesn't work | 07:09 |
| nixternal | i think for hoary..utilize the current information...and rework it/clean it...and then upgrade the breezy/dapper versions | 07:09 |
| Burgundavia | hmm | 07:09 |
| nixternal | it isn't a pretty process for hoary, but it works | 07:10 |
| Burgundavia | ok | 07:10 |
| nixternal | when i say pretty..i mean not graphical...all terminal | 07:10 |
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| nixternal | kismet is a terminal program anyways | 07:10 |
| nixternal | arg..can this wait 6 months LOL | 07:10 |
| Burgundavia | then just don't mention hoary | 07:11 |
| nixternal | how many users do you think is still utilizing hoary with an orinoco card and is interested in hacking wireless...or sniffing it at least? | 07:11 |
| Burgundavia | talk about breezy and dapper | 07:11 |
| nixternal | LOL | 07:11 |
| nixternal | i blew out my kubuntu install for that ;) | 07:11 |
| nixternal | i only use my lappy for testing..so i don't care | 07:11 |
| nixternal | it is installing while im working on other stuff..so it is cool...i will work with breezy and dapper then | 07:12 |
| nixternal | plus the orinoco chipset is old...being replaced with atheros, prismIII and broadcoms..plus ralink here and there | 07:12 |
| nixternal | orinoco is the original wireless chipset i believe..outdating prism1 and atheros | 07:13 |
| nixternal | i will say this however concerning hoary on this laptop...it is way fast compared to everything i have put on it ;) | 07:13 |
| Burgundavia | hmm, dapper has been the fastest I have used | 07:14 |
| Burgundavia | hoary is faster than breezy to install and use | 07:14 |
| nixternal | on my main systems yes..my lappy is old celeron 700 with 192mb ram and a mobile rage 2 card | 07:14 |
| Burgundavia | ah | 07:14 |
| nixternal | 10gb hard drive that is close to dying ;) | 07:14 |
| Burgundavia | even then, dapper should be fater | 07:14 |
| Burgundavia | faster | 07:14 |
| nixternal | dapper is fast..but hoary is faster | 07:15 |
| dsas | nixternal: I still have an orinoco chipset. I have to use the CVS version because it's USB and then it's still dodgy. | 07:18 |
| mvirkkil | nixternal: I have an even slower laptop (650Mhz, 128MB), and I agree. | 07:18 |
| nixternal | oooh..i got ya by 50mhz mvirkkil | 07:18 |
| mvirkkil | It's really easy to go from just surfing along, to swapping hell... | 07:18 |
| nixternal | usb wifi = dodgy in every os there is | 07:19 |
| mvirkkil | I think that dapper might be faster if I had just a little more memory on this thing. | 07:19 |
| dsas | nixternal: It seemed fine to me when I used it in windows tbh. Maybe I wasn't using it long enough to experience problems though. | 07:20 |
| mvirkkil | But the swapping is really killing the overall experience. Oh, and accidentally hitting f1 starts yelp | 07:20 |
| nixternal | i had previously used a linksys usb wifi setup...it would work, but i had issues with intermittence...plus my area is a wifi hotspot and then some | 07:20 |
| mvirkkil | which makes the laptop unusable for >1minute as it's loading, and then 30seconds more as it's closing. | 07:21 |
| nixternal | i am sitting here with airsnort running and i have 21 access points to choose from...and those are neighbors..i have 3 access points..so 18 aren't mine | 07:21 |
| nixternal | and the neighborhood is roomy..not next to each other and what not | 07:21 |
| dsas | I'm the only AP I can detect here. I live on a street of old people. | 07:25 |
| nixternal | lol | 07:25 |
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| nixternal | breezy is taking forever to install | 07:59 |
| Burgundavia | nixternal: it does that | 08:01 |
| nixternal | i don't remember that b4..been a while since i installed it though | 08:01 |
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| froud | http://www.yankeegroup.com/public/news_releases/news_release_detail.jsp?ID=PressReleases/news.serverreliabilitysurvey.DiDio.htm | 09:03 |
| mvirkkil | ...didio.... | 09:04 |
| rob | ? | 09:04 |
| mvirkkil | she's known for spewing fud.. | 09:05 |
| mvirkkil | a lot of people regard her as an ms shill | 09:06 |
| froud | mvirkkil: what is important for the documenation case is | 09:07 |
| froud | Yankee Group determined a significant portion of this outage time is attributed to the scarcity of Linux and open source documentation compared to the more mature, established operating systems. | 09:07 |
| froud | That's good for ppl in the documentation business :-) | 09:07 |
| mvirkkil | froud: ok. | 09:09 |
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| mdke | morning | 10:33 |
| bhuvan | morning mdke | 10:34 |
| rob | hi mdke | 10:35 |
| mvirkkil | morning | 10:38 |
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| jsgotangco | good evening | 03:06 |
| jenda | oi | 03:07 |
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| mgalvin | anyone know who gervasio is? | 03:23 |
| jsgotangco | sounds like some hot italian model =) | 03:23 |
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| mgalvin | hehe | 03:24 |
| mdke | yeah, I know him | 03:31 |
| mdke | he's an italian translator | 03:32 |
| mdke | mgalvin^ | 03:32 |
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| mgalvin | mdke: ok cool, he applied for the newsletter team so i was just wondering | 03:36 |
| mgalvin | i guess he would want to be doing the Italian translation | 03:36 |
| mdke | we're coordinating the italian translation already though | 03:40 |
| mdke | mgalvin: he applied for the docteam too, I'll have a chat with him | 03:40 |
| mgalvin | ok cool | 03:41 |
| cosmolax | mgalvin: hi | 04:25 |
| mgalvin | cosmolax: hi | 04:25 |
| cosmolax | mgalvin: our member has made a Weekly #1 transaltion. | 04:26 |
| mgalvin | cool, for Chinese right? | 04:26 |
| cosmolax | mgalvin: yesterday I've mail to yo. | 04:26 |
| cosmolax | mgalvin: ya. Tradictional Chinese :) | 04:27 |
| mgalvin | i noticed it on the wiki this morning, i already added a link to it from the main issue 1 page | 04:27 |
| mgalvin | cosmolax: thanks for translating it! :) | 04:27 |
| cosmolax | mgalvin: thanks :) | 04:27 |
| jsgotangco | WOW | 04:27 |
| cosmolax | mgalvin: I will keeping my effects on translating #2 and so on. :) | 04:28 |
| cosmolax | mgalvin: today I have two people join my team, maybe next issue would be quicker and better :) | 04:28 |
| mgalvin | cosmolax: great! glad to hear it | 04:29 |
| mgalvin | its awesome to see all these translations getting done so fast | 04:29 |
| mgalvin | cosmolax: thanks again for the great effort! | 04:30 |
| jsgotangco | yes much appreciated | 04:30 |
| jsgotangco | mgalvin: what's the next target btw? this weekend right? | 04:30 |
| cosmolax | mgalvin: but sorry if I made something confusing, now there are two translated #1, one is on our weekly, the 2nd is on Ubuntu Wiki. Is that will bother you? | 04:30 |
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| cosmolax | s/ our weekly/ our wiki | 04:31 |
| cosmolax | zard1989: hi ! ;) | 04:32 |
| zard1989 | cosmolax:hi! | 04:32 |
| mgalvin | cosmolax: thats perfectly fine with me | 04:32 |
| mgalvin | jsgotangco: yea, i would like to try and send the out every saturday night | 04:32 |
| cosmolax | mgalvin: zard1989 is also our docteam member. :) | 04:32 |
| zard1989 | mgalvin: hi | 04:33 |
| mgalvin | cool, hi zard1989 | 04:33 |
| mgalvin | jsgotangco: mdz will probably also add some news at the end of each week (like friday sometime each week) | 04:33 |
| jsgotangco | its nice to see the -zh time active lately =) | 04:33 |
| jsgotangco | -zh team | 04:34 |
| cosmolax | jsgotangco: thanks. Is also exciting to us. :) | 04:35 |
| cosmolax | s/ Is /Its | 04:35 |
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| jsgotangco | good night | 05:09 |
| jsgotangco | eh? | 05:10 |
| jsgotangco | froud-away: nice seeing you here again! | 05:10 |
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| trappist | http://ubuntu.wordpress.com/2006/06/08/how-to-create-a-screencast-in-ubuntu/ | 05:36 |
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| froud | trappist: that's a pretty good start to Hypermedia for the Linux Desktop | 06:12 |
| trappist | never heard of hypermedia | 06:18 |
| froud | trappist: basically what you did and what Istanbul does | 06:20 |
| froud | trappist: nice that you create AVI, I am not sure that Istanbul does do that | 06:21 |
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| trappist | froud: I didn't do this, I just found it :) | 06:23 |
| froud | trappist: understood but in your demo it created AVI | 06:23 |
| froud | trappist: which I think is one more option not available | 06:24 |
| froud | trappist: I knew of Instanbul but when I last used it it was doing ogg I think | 06:24 |
| trappist | ogg is nice too | 06:24 |
| froud | trappist: my customer wanted avi because they had to show windows users how to do stuff | 06:25 |
| froud | before they move to Linux desktops | 06:25 |
| froud | problem I found was that doing the first work was easy, but when it came to r2 we had to redo the entire file | 06:26 |
| froud | even breaking down into smaller topics | 06:26 |
| froud | Still it did help | 06:27 |
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| mgalvin | froud: hey! | 06:39 |
| jjesse | hello froud | 06:41 |
| jjesse | hello mgalvin | 06:44 |
| mgalvin | hey jjesse | 06:44 |
| froud | mgalvin: jjesse hi | 06:48 |
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| froud | Anyone tried potace http://potrace.sourceforge.net/ could be a nice way to use SVG instead of PNG in repo and generate PNG at time of build? | 06:50 |
| jjesse | random thought, but i hate fruit on the bottom yogurt always seem to have the fruit last and it doesn't mix up good | 06:50 |
| froud | Which in tern will enable l18n of screenshots to be done using the poxml process | 06:50 |
| froud | put the yogurt upside down in the fridge, that way you will always have the fruit on top | 06:51 |
| nixternal | jjesse: i second that about the fruit | 06:51 |
| mgalvin | froud: i haven't tried it but it certainly sounds like a neat idea | 06:51 |
| jjesse | froud: never thoght about that | 06:51 |
| mgalvin | haha | 06:52 |
| froud | hope it helps | 06:52 |
| jjesse | hmm when you login to the wiki why can't it bring you to the last page you were at isntead of brining you to user prefrences? | 06:53 |
| mdke | it can, check your preferences | 06:54 |
| mdke | hello there froud! | 06:54 |
| jjesse | oh thanks mdke | 06:54 |
| froud | mdke: hi there | 06:54 |
| froud | hmmm potrace also has a nice little gui | 06:55 |
| mgalvin | bah, a kde gui ;) | 06:57 |
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| nixternal | mdke: thanks for that preferences tip, as i was getting annoyed with the userprefs always popping up instead of last page | 06:58 |
| froud | mdke: :-) let's not get started | 06:58 |
| mdke | froud: -> mgalvin, but yeah, who would use KDE anyway | 06:59 |
| jjesse | some of use would :) | 06:59 |
| jjesse | and do | 06:59 |
| nixternal | hey hey | 06:59 |
| nixternal | i use it and love it ;) | 06:59 |
| mdke | nixternal: nod, that should probably be the default, if it isn't | 07:00 |
| mdke | (remember las tpage) | 07:00 |
| nixternal | it is now for me...thx | 07:00 |
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| froud | mgalvin: : :-) let's not get started | 07:00 |
| mgalvin | :) | 07:00 |
| froud | mdke: sorry | 07:00 |
| froud | geeze dude it does a hectly good job | 07:01 |
| froud | seriously has anyone considerd it as an alternative to generating localized screens for l18n | 07:01 |
| mdke | we hadn't done | 07:01 |
| mdke | but mainly because we don't really use screenshots | 07:02 |
| jjesse | wasn't aware of it | 07:02 |
| mdke | and yeah, we weren't aware of it :) | 07:02 |
| froud | capture > PNG(en) > potrace > SVG > POT > PO > XML(fr, de, etc) | 07:03 |
| nixternal | how come when i goto save my userprefs on the wiki, it takes for ever? | 07:04 |
| nixternal | i have noticed this in the past also | 07:04 |
| mdke | wiki is really slow at the moment | 07:05 |
| nixternal | 60 seconds so far | 07:05 |
| nixternal | i wonder if fasterfox is causing an issue with it | 07:05 |
| mdke | it's the same saving pages, real slow | 07:05 |
| nixternal | ya | 07:05 |
| mdke | bbl | 07:05 |
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| LinuxMonkey-AFK | whats up | 10:37 |
| jjesse | work, same ol' same ol :) | 10:37 |
| LinuxMonkey | :) | 10:38 |
| jjesse | just downloading the community technology preview of windows vista :) | 10:38 |
| jjesse | only 1.2 GB left | 10:38 |
| LinuxMonkey | lmao | 10:38 |
| LinuxMonkey | yeah been there done that | 10:39 |
| LinuxMonkey | ex-microsoft beta tester | 10:39 |
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| LaserJock | jjesse: how much is it total? | 10:45 |
| jjesse | 3.2 GB | 10:45 |
| jjesse | ok work over :) see you all later | 10:45 |
| LaserJock | cya | 10:45 |
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| Burgwork | 3.2 gb? | 10:48 |
| Burgwork | ouch | 10:48 |
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| LinuxMonkey | 3.2GB and unpacked takes about 10 gigs | 10:51 |
| Burgwork | the sick part is that is just the OS, not even the office suite, etc. | 10:53 |
| LaserJock | right | 10:53 |
| Burgwork | what is MS doing in that 10gigs? | 10:53 |
| LaserJock | I was starting to compare it to the SuSE DVDs | 10:53 |
| LaserJock | and then I was like "what a sec, the SuSE dvd includes EVERYTHING" | 10:53 |
| mdke | LaserJock: how are you talking without your head? | 10:54 |
| mdke | oh, keyboard, yeah | 10:54 |
| LaserJock | ? | 10:54 |
| mdke | 21:47:25 * mdke beheads LaserJock | 10:54 |
| LaserJock | what? how did that happen? | 10:55 |
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| mdke | my samurai sword has taught you the evils of going around with you mediawiki ways | 10:55 |
| LaserJock | uh, oh ;-) | 10:56 |
| LaserJock | that one was just for Burgwork | 10:56 |
| mdke | don't get his hopes up | 10:56 |
| LaserJock | hehe, sorry | 10:57 |
| mdke | :) | 10:58 |
| mdke | sorry for being a bit surreal just then | 10:58 |
| LaserJock | heh, you have to give me a bit more context before you go lopping my head off | 10:59 |
| mdke | when I get the samurai sword in my hands, I just can't stop and give you context... it takes me over | 11:00 |
| LaserJock | I can understand that | 11:01 |
| Burgwork | mdke, mediawiki ways? | 11:06 |
| LinuxMonkey | mdke: can you check out https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuAddingRepositoriesHowto and let me know what you think, I reduced the size of the images by 50% as per your recommendation for smaller images and made a few changes as recommended in the mailling list | 11:07 |
| mdke | Burgwork: don't ask | 11:08 |
| Burgwork | http://digg.com/linux_unix/UbuntuGuide.org_Reborn_for_Dapper <-- ugh | 11:09 |
| LinuxMonkey | hrmmm no | 11:09 |
| LaserJock | man, that was fast | 11:09 |
| LinuxMonkey | official i think not | 11:10 |
| LaserJock | I don't understand how it is so easy for that stuff to get around | 11:10 |
| Burgwork | digg, the stupidity of the crowd | 11:10 |
| Burgwork | now that it is a wiki, we can edit it to our needs | 11:10 |
| LinuxMonkey | yeah please reffer to..... on every page | 11:11 |
| mdke | LinuxMonkey: the formatting seems a bit odd, more space between the images and the text? also, the lines of text appear very short in comparison to the page. And I would nuke the table of contents, where there is only one title in each level, it doesn't help much | 11:11 |
| LinuxMonkey | and point it to our official pages | 11:11 |
| Burgwork | remove the bad stuff, like killing the panel | 11:12 |
| mdke | Burgwork: we don't have the resources to work on all the unofficial wikis around though | 11:12 |
| Burgwork | no, we don't, but this one is big enough | 11:12 |
| LaserJock | I've just about had it with documentation, tbh | 11:13 |
| Burgwork | heh | 11:13 |
| mdke | LaserJock: eh? | 11:13 |
| mdke | don't say that! | 11:13 |
| LaserJock | I admire you guys for getting in there, I just don't know if I can handle it much longer | 11:13 |
| Burgwork | LaserJock, it goes it cycles | 11:13 |
| Burgwork | I don't love docs for some cycles and for some I do | 11:13 |
| mdke | heh | 11:14 |
| LaserJock | I don't mind sticking to my little PG and UDR, but the large scale wiki and grand scheme documentation stuff is just getting to be too much | 11:14 |
| mdke | henrik has written an essay on the UDSF thread | 11:14 |
| Burgwork | then ignore them | 11:14 |
| LaserJock | Burgwork: the problem is I care too much | 11:15 |
| Burgwork | ah, I used to as well | 11:15 |
| LinuxMonkey | mdke: how do I add space between the text and images | 11:15 |
| Burgwork | then I got cold | 11:15 |
| mdke | LinuxMonkey: not sure | 11:17 |
| LinuxMonkey | lol | 11:17 |
| manicka | Burgwork, you can't edit the unofficial guide ^^. It's not an open wiki | 11:17 |
| Burgwork | manicka, what? | 11:17 |
| Burgwork | I guess they figured they would have us come and change too many things | 11:17 |
| manicka | it can only be edited by the maintainers | 11:18 |
| manicka | who are approved by the admin | 11:18 |
| mdke | LinuxMonkey: maybe have a look at the style of this - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MultimediaApplications | 11:18 |
| Burgwork | I have already nuked one reference in our wiki to the new uubntugide | 11:18 |
| manicka | so I takr it your view on collaboration is slightly different to mdke's | 11:19 |
| LinuxMonkey | mdke: thats how my code looks. lol and still no spaces..lol | 11:20 |
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| mdke | LinuxMonkey: how come your text is wrapped though? are you enclosing it in a table or something? | 11:20 |
| LinuxMonkey | no i just fixed that issue | 11:21 |
| LinuxMonkey | it was the menu doing that | 11:21 |
| mdke | ah | 11:21 |
| mdke | ok | 11:21 |
| LinuxMonkey | if you reload it you will see | 11:21 |
| mdke | what happened to the specific theme for wiki.kubuntu.org by the way? | 11:22 |
| Burgwork | mdke, got a link to that thread now? | 11:24 |
| mdke | the storage facility one? it's http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=190676 | 11:24 |
| Burgwork | yep, thanks | 11:25 |
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| LaserJock | hehe | 11:25 |
| LinuxMonkey | anyone know how to add space between my images and text on https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuAddingRepositoriesHowto | 11:26 |
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| LinuxMonkey | mdke i figured out the spacing issue | 11:36 |
| mdke | ah, nice one | 11:36 |
| LinuxMonkey | the was a space in front of the text and messing it all up oddly ennough | 11:36 |
| LinuxMonkey | there* | 11:36 |
| LinuxMonkey | so can we take it out of cleanup now :) | 11:37 |
| mdke | sure thing | 11:37 |
| LinuxMonkey | to remove it all I do is remove CategoryCleanup at the end right | 11:38 |
| mdke | yeah | 11:39 |
| LinuxMonkey | Done and done :) | 11:40 |
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| LinuxMonkey | doesnt it look sexy | 11:40 |
| mdke | :) | 11:42 |
| mdke | LinuxMonkey: thanks for your work on that | 11:42 |
| nixternal | ati love i tell you | 11:42 |
| nixternal | xorg-driver-fglrx corruption after my kernel compile...forget that | 11:43 |
| LinuxMonkey | ty mdke | 11:45 |
| Burgwork | nixternal, just don't compile a kernel. problem solved ;) | 11:45 |
| LinuxMonkey | just told someone to use adept to see apps avail for installation and got this response from a different user... [18:45] <judgen> LinuxMonkey: apt-get ffs! | 11:48 |
| LinuxMonkey | lol | 11:48 |
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