[12:05] <linuxmonkey> yeah at  14000+ they give ya a bullet and at 50000+they give you the gun to go with it :)
[12:05] <nixternal> haha
[12:05] <nixternal> that would be my luck
[12:05] <nixternal> or my kind of karma you could say
[12:07] <linuxmonkey> lol
[12:07] <linuxmonkey> how long does it usually take for a mailing list post to propergate
[12:08] <mdke> few minutes
[12:09] <linuxmonkey> ah just wondering cause i sent it 10 minutes ago and wondering if any got it
[12:34] <mdke> http://www.mdke.org/blog/FragmentedDocumentation.html feedback would be great
[12:35] <linuxmonkey> mdke: arent u supposed to be working or be at work
[12:35] <linuxmonkey> lol
[12:35] <mdke> at midnight?
[12:35] <linuxmonkey> oh i thought u had to work right now..lol
[12:36] <mdke> no, thankfully not
[12:36] <Burgwork> linuxmonkey, no, thats me :)
[12:36] <mdke> linuxmonkey: smaller screenshots would definitely be good
[12:37] <linuxmonkey> yeah 
[12:37] <linuxmonkey> thats i can do thats no prob
[12:38] <theCore> mdke: sweet page, btw
[12:39] <linuxmonkey> other than the big imges what u think mdke
[12:39] <mdke> thanks. I just realised I was posting about this all over the place, but hadn't got my thoughts organised in one place, and i thought it would help me think
[12:40] <mdke> linuxmonkey: looks good. There are a couple of typos and the table of contents is a bit weird (only one section), but it looks fine to me. I'll leave more detailed comments to the kubuntu guys
[12:40] <theCore> mdke: do you a blogging software, or you're writing all this by hand?
[12:40] <mdke> well, I write the posts by hand...
[12:40] <linuxmonkey> yeah the table of content is there cause there's more going into it
[12:40] <mdke> the blog software is pyblosxom, with static html
[12:41] <mdke> linuxmonkey: ah, great
[12:41] <mdke> linuxmonkey: in kde do you really have to run adept like that? It doesn't have a menu entry?
[12:42] <nixternal> just do the echo >> trick...adept = to slow for me
[12:42] <linuxmonkey> yeah there;s a few adept in the menu
[12:42] <linuxmonkey> there's and adept installer too so not to confuse people the run command is easyest
[12:45] <linuxmonkey> mdke:  the typo's i think should be fixed now
[12:46] <mdke> Your Lulu Order Has Shipped
[12:46] <mdke> kickass
[12:47] <theCore> mdke: Hmm, it would be a great challenge to merge all the documention scattered around the communities
[12:47] <mdke> yeah, wishful thinking maybe
[12:47] <theCore> mdke: but, it worth to try
[12:47] <theCore> wishful thinking, I like that expression
[12:47] <linuxmonkey> mdke: it probably easyer to start fresh.lol sad to say
[12:47] <theCore> linuxmonkey: I don't think so
[12:48] <mdke> we have social barriers though at the moment. I'm hoping that if we take the lead with the help.ubuntu.com site, we can encourage collaboration by inspiring it
[12:48] <theCore> mdke: the main problem is not everyone has the same skills
[12:49] <mdke> true, that's not a problem, but an advantage, if you look at it right
[12:50] <theCore> mdke: some peoples, even if they know the answer to a problem, won't write a doc about it 
[12:50] <mdke> of course. That's fine
[12:50] <theCore> mdke: simply because, they aren't confortable with Docbook, or the Wiki
[12:50] <mdke> theCore: right.
[12:51] <mvirkkil> mdke: http://iquaid.livejournal.com/
[12:51] <mvirkkil> mdke: fyi: the testwiki is broken atm.
[12:52] <theCore> mdke: although, what we should do is to provider a uniform layer over all the docs. Like giving the ``Render as Docbook'' option for the Wiki
[12:53] <mdke> mvirkkil: looking
[12:53] <mdke> theCore: yes, that is a very exciting project (you know mvirkkil is the author, right?)
[12:53] <theCore> mdke: for the forums, it would certainly be a challenge
[12:54] <theCore> oh
[12:54] <mdke> mvirkkil: SOMEONE HAS LINKED TO MY BLOG
[12:54] <mdke> i'm so excited
[12:54] <mvirkkil> mdke: :P
[12:54] <theCore> mvirkkil: nice feature
[12:55] <mvirkkil> theCore: Thanks. Not originally my idea. Henrik asked me to work on it, like a year ago.
[12:55] <mdke> henrik is so sharp
[12:55] <mdke> his ideas always turn out to be way ahead of the rest
[12:55] <mvirkkil> theCore: I did the initial version then, it got a few patches (that broke the docbook)
[12:56] <theCore> hehe
[12:56] <mvirkkil> I'm just a code monkey, doing what is asked of him ;)
[12:56] <mdke> mvirkkil: what does your mentor do?
[12:57] <mvirkkil> mdke: He's on the docteam. He's not a coder, so patrik barnes (nman) helpes with technical stuff.
[12:57] <mvirkkil> mdke: I suppose he's your equivalent afaic in fedora.
[12:58] <mdke> that's his job, or he is a volunteer?
[12:58] <theCore> there is a lot of howtos on forums, it would be great to bring them all into a single authoritative source
[12:58] <mvirkkil> mdke: I think it's his job. 
[12:58] <mdke> cool
[12:59] <theCore> anyone know what happened with the Google's Summer of Codes?
[12:59] <mvirkkil> theCore: ?
[12:59] <mvirkkil> theCore: I'm one.
[01:00] <theCore> mvirkkil: lucky
[01:00] <mvirkkil> theCore: For fedora :)
[01:00] <theCore> ah
[01:01] <theCore> mvirkkil: what's your project?
[01:01] <mdke> pretty nice docmentation guide they have at fedora
[01:01] <mdke> theCore: moin -> docbook is his project
[01:01] <mvirkkil> theCore: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MoinDocBookProject
[01:01] <theCore> mvirkkil: ahh
[01:01] <theCore> mvirkkil: sweet
[01:01] <mvirkkil> theCore: :D
[01:02] <mdke> xmlto for pdf eh
[01:10] <theCore> ah, I found
[01:11] <theCore> http://code.google.com/soc/ubuntu/about.html
[01:11] <theCore> there's a lot projects for Ubuntu
[01:13] <mvirkkil> I wonder on what basis it's decided how many projects an org get to have
[01:14] <mvirkkil> becausewhen you compare ubuntus list to fedoras, it just seems odd.
[01:14] <mdke> crazy, in fact
[01:15] <theCore> mvirkkil: I think it depend of the size of the organisation, Google gives to each org. a limit of projects they can have
[01:16] <mdke> that doesn't justify the difference between Ubuntu and Fedora
[01:17] <mdke> Ubuntu has more than it can justifiably handle
[01:17] <mdke> fedora has 5
[01:20] <theCore> maybe, fedora had less interesting project submitted to them, I don't know
[01:20] <theCore> or maybe, Google likes Ubuntu better
[01:21] <LaserJock> go goobuntu!
[01:21] <mdke> yes, that must be the answer
[01:21] <mdke> well, who can blame them, Ubuntu rocks
[01:23] <theCore> LaserJock: yeah, I heard about it :)
[01:23] <theCore> LaserJock: I got a question for you
[01:24] <theCore> LaserJock: do you think the MOTU would accept a package of emacs-snapshot?
[01:27] <LaserJock> umm, isn't there already one?
[01:28] <LaserJock> theCore: did you want to tweak the current snapshot package?
[01:28] <theCore> LaserJock: yeah, but it's quite outdated
[01:28] <LaserJock> of course it is, we froze
[01:28] <theCore> LaserJock: well, I would like to replace it with a newer version
[01:28] <LaserJock> or is that not the issue
[01:30] <LaserJock> theCore: the one from June 2nd that is in Debian isn't new enough?
[01:31] <theCore> LaserJock: their package is from the HEAD trunk, mine is from the XFT_JHD_BRANCH
[01:32] <theCore> LaserJock: maybe, I should do what Seveas does, build myself a personal repository
[01:33] <LaserJock> theCore: that is probably more likely than getting it into universe
[01:33] <LaserJock> you could always try to convince Debian to use the XFT_JHD_BRANCH
[01:34] <theCore> LaserJock: I think I would have a better chances winning at the lottery
[01:42] <theCore> Thank you for shopping at Lulu! - Yay
[01:43] <theCore> mdke: do you know if there is a Docbook -> Latex converter?
[01:48] <LaserJock> theCore: hehe
[01:49] <theCore> LaserJock: I bought the PG
[01:49] <LaserJock> really? who would want to buy that piece of crap ;-)
[01:50] <LaserJock> hehe
[01:50] <LaserJock> if only we got a royalty, or at least karma for book sales ;-)
[01:51] <theCore> piece of crap?
[01:51] <theCore> :P
[02:23] <theCore> mdke: I have some ideas about that BetterWikiDocs thing
[02:28] <LaserJock> theCore: like whate?
[02:33] <theCore> We could separate the whole Wiki into a few sections. ( devel, troubleshooting, artwork, ideas, etc ) Each could have their own color "personally", so they would be easy to recognize them
[02:34] <LaserJock> hmm, except devel, artowork, and ideas don't sound like documentation
[02:34] <Kingbahamut> indeed
[02:35] <LaserJock> crimsun: you can't do that now that you're core-dev
[02:35] <theCore> yeah, but the idea is to separate the Docs from w.u.c ?
[02:35] <LaserJock> yeah, but more so
[02:36] <LaserJock> like when I search on help.ubuntu.com for a doc I'm not really looking for a spec or some devel wiki page
[02:36] <crimsun> LaserJock: pwned. :(
[02:36] <LaserJock> hehe
[02:36] <Kingbahamut> one assumes not LaserJock
[02:37] <LaserJock> although it might be kinda cool to have links to the corresponding wiki.u.c search
[02:37] <LaserJock> just in case ;-)
[02:38] <theCore> "Lack of structure". I'm not sure we can solve this
[02:39] <LaserJock> why not?
[02:39] <theCore> well, how we could solve this?
[02:42] <LaserJock> I don't know but we are smart people. I'm guessing hard work
[02:43] <theCore> one way could to propose a StyleGuide for the wiki, but would stupid simply because less peoples would want to write wiki docs.
[02:45] <theCore> another way, would to separate the Wiki pages categorically, so peoples could inspire them-self  with the other similiar docs
[02:45] <LaserJock> theCore: there is a style guide for the wiki
[02:46] <theCore> really? I never saw it.
[02:47] <theCore> we could also put a default template for each new page
[02:47] <theCore> based-on the category
[03:47] <Burgundavia> Seveas: you still up?
[04:09] <Burgundavia> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OrinocoMonitorKismet2005Hoary?highlight=%28CategoryCleanup%29
[04:09] <Burgundavia> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OrinocoMonitorKimset2005Hoary?highlight=%28CategoryCleanup%29
[04:09] <Burgundavia> anybody use that?
[04:11] <robotgeek> nope, not me
[04:12] <nixternal> Burgundavia: i use it, but not on Hoary. I have it on Xubuntu, Nubuntu, and Kubuntu laptops..with the orinoco chipset
[04:13] <Burgundavia> nixternal: can you cleanup and merge those pages? grab a hoary install and play
[04:13] <nixternal> sure
[04:13] <nixternal> im sure it isn't much different...the one main thing with kismet to get it running is a simple config fix..especially for orinoco
[04:14] <Burgundavia> cool, the simpler you can make the document, the better
[04:14] <nixternal> roger that
[04:41] <nixternal> grabbing breezy and hoary Burgundavia, ubuntu style, I use Kubuntu, so for Dapper I don't think their is a difference in setup between Ubuntu and Kubuntu..since Kismet runs in a terminal
[04:41] <Burgundavia> nixternal: yep
[04:41] <nixternal> hehe..gotta tear up my hacktop for this one 
[04:41] <Burgundavia> try and emphasize graphic tools though
[04:42] <nixternal> ok..so try to stay away from the sudo apt-get's
[04:42] <nixternal> if that is so..then it will be real easy to do this. Since Kismet is in the repositories
[04:44] <nixternal> another question is do we need to stick with the Hoary and Breezy on this, as I believe that a repository install is going to be the same for each setup. 
[04:44] <nixternal> this could be made small and to the point really...its as simple as $ sudo apt-get install kismet
[04:44] <nixternal> then sudo nano /etc/kismet/something.conf
[04:44] <Burgundavia> it should talk about hoary/breezy and dapper
[04:45] <nixternal> hopefully i can repository install with hoary and breezy also..i kno wi can with breezy..at least with hoary i hope so
[04:45] <Burgundavia> cool
[04:45] <Burgundavia> then redirect those pages to something generic, like OrinocoKismet
[04:46] <nixternal> ya...i was going to recommend a name change
[04:46] <Burgundavia> oh, btw, can you split out the orinoco parts?
[04:46] <Burgundavia> nixternal: that talks about installing a network card and then sniffing no?
[04:46] <nixternal> not really..each wifi card is different...there are only a handful of cards that will work with kismet
[04:46] <Burgundavia> ah, ok
[04:47] <Burgundavia> does orinoco work ootb?
[04:47] <nixternal> for breezy and dapper yes
[04:47] <nixternal> i will see with hoary
[04:47] <Burgundavia> can you abstract it to just a kismet page?
[04:47] <nixternal> this page has so much stuff...it is pretty much Orinoco
[04:47] <Burgundavia> maybe Kismet/Orinoco at most
[04:47] <nixternal> Kismet/Orinoco would be decent, but he also has Wifi Radar and iwlist in here also
[04:48] <Burgundavia> ugh, can that be decently split out?
[04:48] <nixternal> this is like a HackWirelessWithOrinoco
[04:48] <nixternal> LOL
[04:48] <nixternal> I haven't seen Wifi Radar in a while either
[04:49] <nixternal> us wireless guys us Kismet at times...but rely on airsnort and aircrack for most work
[04:50] <nixternal> Burgundavia: tell you what i can do, is i can work this up with kate, and then show you my proposal, and we can go from there. how does that sound?
[04:50] <Burgundavia> sounds good
[04:50] <nixternal> ok..good..i wil do that then
[04:52] <nixternal> oh no...gotta find some blank cd's
[04:52] <nixternal> ;)
[05:03] <nixternal> Burgundavia: on the install and my orinoco wifi works with breezy...so breezy and dapper will be exactly the same
[05:03] <Burgundavia> nixternal: sweet
[05:03] <nixternal> im going to concentrate on hoary now then
[05:04] <nixternal> right now the lappy is sitting at the "[!]  Configure the network" screen on the breezy desktop install...and i can ping it
[05:04] <nixternal> actually..i need to make sure though it is using orinoco and not ndiswrapper...so i need to commit...grrr
[05:05] <Burgundavia> ndiswrapper is not enabled by default
[05:05] <Burgundavia> hey bhuvan
[05:05] <nixternal> its not...well then that is a good thing.
[05:06] <nixternal> that means i can stop here and work with hoary then
[05:06] <nixternal> your a savior there
[05:14] <Burgundavia> hey LaserJock
[05:14] <Burgundavia> hey darsha
[05:15] <darsha> what do you know : )
[05:16] <darsha> I noticed that there was an art team, that sounds interesting
[05:16] <bhuvan> hello Burgundavia
[05:17] <Burgundavia> mostly a disorganized lot, the art team
[05:17] <Burgundavia> probably better to stay here, we are fairly efficient and on track
[05:17] <robotgeek> heh
[05:19] <Burgundavia> when you get sabdfl riding you to get stuff done, you know you are messed
[05:19] <nixternal> Burgundavia: hoary has also detected the card and initialised dhcp from the get go...what should i do??  Kismet is in the repositories. It should install on Hoary, Breezy, and Dapper from the repositories. So the only real thing that would need to be done is the Kismet.conf
[05:19] <robotgeek> lol
[05:20] <nixternal> however, I am going to commit with Hoary to confirm this
[05:20] <Burgundavia> nixternal: cool, favour default over custom hacks
[05:21] <nixternal> yes
[05:21] <nixternal> i think all he was showing was that he patched his orinoco card
[05:21] <nixternal> that is the only thing i can see he did that would warrent everything he did with that page
[05:21] <LaserJock> Burgundavia: well, I have Tim riding me, does that mean I'm messed
[05:22] <Burgundavia> LaserJock: iffy
[05:22] <LaserJock> :-)
[05:23] <jsgotangco> Tim?
[05:23] <LaserJock> I didn't know DM is mentioned in the Dapper release announcement :(
[05:23] <jsgotangco> DM?
[05:23] <LaserJock> nosey jsgotangco 
[05:23] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco: product from my work
[05:24] <LaserJock> :-)
[05:24] <Burgundavia> LaserJock: no, we are going to have a seperate press release
[05:24] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco: patience and all will become clear
[05:25] <LaserJock> Burgundavia: but it is in the release announcement, not really noticably but it's there
[05:25] <Burgundavia> LaserJock: yep, hence the hurry up email we got from Malcolm today
[05:25] <LaserJock> yeah
[05:25] <LaserJock> nice to annouce stuff that hasn't happened yet ;-)
[05:25] <LaserJock> I guess that's the corporate software world
[05:26] <LaserJock> PR and marketing
[05:26] <Burgundavia> LaserJock: I don't understand it, I just sell the stuff
[05:26] <robotgeek> hmm, turn away from the screen for a minute, and i am lost :)
[05:26] <jsgotangco> same here
[05:26] <Burgundavia> robotgeek: Laserjock is doing some work for my company and it will be announced soon enough
[05:27] <LaserJock> Burgundavia: and I try to package it, at least a little bit;-)
[05:27] <robotgeek> Burgundavia: ah okay, cool
[05:28] <Burgundavia> it will be shiny, crashy and probably mostly useless, tbh
[05:28] <LaserJock> I wonder how the vmware package is going
[07:06] <nixternal> Burgundavia: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/766703
[07:06] <nixternal> ^^that would be the outcome of using dapper repositories to install the latest version from repositories
[07:06] <Burgundavia> nixternal: on dapper, with only dapper?
[07:07] <nixternal> well..the latest in the repositories in the the dapper repositiories...
[07:07] <nixternal> repository install = easiest...can be compiled like the site shows...and just cleaned up
[07:07] <nixternal> your call
[07:07] <Burgundavia> sorry, I don't follow
[07:07] <Burgundavia> are you trying to use dapper repos on older versions of Ubuntu?
[07:08] <nixternal> for the kismet to try this out yes i was
[07:08] <Burgundavia> that is not recommended
[07:08] <nixternal> i found an old version of kismet in the hoary multiverse repos...and i mean old...i could go ahead and utilize the information on the wiki already..just clean it up and make it user friendly as much as possible
[07:08] <Burgundavia> can you not use that releases repos?
[07:09] <Burgundavia> how old? does it work?
[07:09] <nixternal> old..and no it doesn't work
[07:09] <nixternal> i think for hoary..utilize the current information...and rework it/clean it...and then upgrade the breezy/dapper versions
[07:09] <Burgundavia> hmm
[07:10] <nixternal> it isn't a pretty process for hoary, but it works
[07:10] <Burgundavia> ok
[07:10] <nixternal> when i say pretty..i mean not graphical...all terminal
[07:10] <nixternal> kismet is a terminal program anyways
[07:10] <nixternal> arg..can this wait 6 months LOL
[07:11] <Burgundavia> then just don't mention hoary
[07:11] <nixternal> how many users do you think is still utilizing hoary with an orinoco card and is interested in hacking wireless...or sniffing it at least?
[07:11] <Burgundavia> talk about breezy and dapper
[07:11] <nixternal> LOL
[07:11] <nixternal> i blew out my kubuntu install for that ;)
[07:11] <nixternal> i only use my lappy for testing..so i don't care
[07:12] <nixternal> it is installing while im working on other stuff..so it is cool...i will work with breezy and dapper then
[07:12] <nixternal> plus the orinoco chipset is old...being replaced with atheros, prismIII and broadcoms..plus ralink here and there
[07:13] <nixternal> orinoco is the original wireless chipset i believe..outdating prism1 and atheros
[07:13] <nixternal> i will say this however concerning hoary on this laptop...it is way fast compared to everything i have put on it ;)
[07:14] <Burgundavia> hmm, dapper has been the fastest I have used
[07:14] <Burgundavia> hoary is faster than breezy to install and use
[07:14] <nixternal> on my main systems yes..my lappy is old celeron 700 with 192mb ram and a mobile rage 2 card
[07:14] <Burgundavia> ah
[07:14] <nixternal> 10gb hard drive that is close to dying ;)
[07:14] <Burgundavia> even then, dapper should be fater
[07:14] <Burgundavia> faster
[07:15] <nixternal> dapper is fast..but hoary is faster
[07:18] <dsas> nixternal: I still have an orinoco chipset. I have to use the CVS version because it's USB and then it's still dodgy.
[07:18] <mvirkkil> nixternal: I have an even slower laptop (650Mhz, 128MB), and I agree. 
[07:18] <nixternal> oooh..i got ya by 50mhz mvirkkil
[07:18] <mvirkkil> It's really easy to go from just surfing along, to swapping hell...
[07:19] <nixternal> usb wifi = dodgy in every os there is
[07:19] <mvirkkil> I think that dapper might be faster if I had just a little more memory on this thing.
[07:20] <dsas> nixternal: It seemed fine to me when I used it in windows tbh. Maybe I wasn't using it long enough to experience problems though.
[07:20] <mvirkkil> But the swapping is really killing the overall experience. Oh, and accidentally hitting f1 starts yelp 
[07:20] <nixternal> i had previously used a linksys usb wifi setup...it would work, but i had issues with intermittence...plus my area is a wifi hotspot and then some
[07:21] <mvirkkil> which makes the laptop unusable for >1minute as it's loading, and then 30seconds more as it's closing.
[07:21] <nixternal> i am sitting here with airsnort running and i have 21 access points to choose from...and those are neighbors..i have 3 access points..so 18 aren't mine
[07:21] <nixternal> and the neighborhood is roomy..not next to each other and what not
[07:25] <dsas> I'm the only AP I can detect here. I live on a street of old people.
[07:25] <nixternal> lol
[07:59] <nixternal> breezy is taking forever to install
[08:01] <Burgundavia> nixternal: it does that
[08:01] <nixternal> i don't remember that b4..been a while since i installed it though
[09:03] <froud> http://www.yankeegroup.com/public/news_releases/news_release_detail.jsp?ID=PressReleases/news.serverreliabilitysurvey.DiDio.htm
[09:04] <mvirkkil> ...didio....
[09:04] <rob> ?
[09:05] <mvirkkil> she's known for spewing fud..
[09:06] <mvirkkil> a lot of people regard her as an ms shill
[09:07] <froud> mvirkkil: what is important for the documenation case is
[09:07] <froud> Yankee Group determined a significant portion of this outage time is attributed to the scarcity of Linux and open source documentation compared to the more mature, established operating systems.
[09:07] <froud> That's good for ppl in the documentation business :-)
[09:09] <mvirkkil> froud: ok.
[10:33] <mdke> morning
[10:34] <bhuvan> morning mdke
[10:35] <rob> hi mdke 
[10:38] <mvirkkil> morning
[03:06] <jsgotangco> good evening
[03:07] <jenda> oi
[03:23] <mgalvin> anyone know who gervasio is?
[03:23] <jsgotangco> sounds like some hot italian model =)
[03:24] <mgalvin> hehe
[03:31] <mdke> yeah, I know him
[03:32] <mdke> he's an italian translator
[03:32] <mdke> mgalvin^
[03:36] <mgalvin> mdke: ok cool, he applied for the newsletter team so i was just wondering
[03:36] <mgalvin> i guess he would want to be doing the Italian translation
[03:40] <mdke> we're coordinating the italian translation already though
[03:40] <mdke> mgalvin: he applied for the docteam too, I'll have a chat with him
[03:41] <mgalvin> ok cool
[04:25] <cosmolax> mgalvin: hi
[04:25] <mgalvin> cosmolax: hi
[04:26] <cosmolax> mgalvin: our member has made a Weekly #1 transaltion.
[04:26] <mgalvin> cool, for Chinese right?
[04:26] <cosmolax> mgalvin: yesterday I've mail to yo.
[04:27] <cosmolax> mgalvin: ya. Tradictional Chinese :)
[04:27] <mgalvin> i noticed it on the wiki this morning, i already added a link to it from the main issue 1 page
[04:27] <mgalvin> cosmolax: thanks for translating it! :)
[04:27] <cosmolax> mgalvin: thanks :)
[04:27] <jsgotangco> WOW
[04:28] <cosmolax> mgalvin: I will keeping my effects on translating #2 and so on. :)
[04:28] <cosmolax> mgalvin: today I have two people join my team, maybe next issue would be quicker and better :)
[04:29] <mgalvin> cosmolax: great! glad to hear it
[04:29] <mgalvin> its awesome to see all these translations getting done so fast
[04:30] <mgalvin> cosmolax: thanks again for the great effort!
[04:30] <jsgotangco> yes much appreciated
[04:30] <jsgotangco> mgalvin: what's the next target btw? this weekend right?
[04:30] <cosmolax> mgalvin: but sorry if I made something confusing, now there are two translated #1, one is on our weekly, the 2nd is on Ubuntu Wiki. Is that will bother you?
[04:31] <cosmolax> s/ our weekly/ our wiki
[04:32] <cosmolax> zard1989: hi ! ;)
[04:32] <zard1989> cosmolax:hi!
[04:32] <mgalvin> cosmolax: thats perfectly fine with me
[04:32] <mgalvin> jsgotangco: yea, i would like to try and send the out every saturday night
[04:32] <cosmolax> mgalvin:  zard1989 is also our docteam member. :)
[04:33] <zard1989> mgalvin: hi
[04:33] <mgalvin> cool, hi zard1989
[04:33] <mgalvin> jsgotangco: mdz will probably also add some news at the end of each week (like friday sometime each week)
[04:33] <jsgotangco> its nice to see the -zh time active lately =)
[04:34] <jsgotangco> -zh team
[04:35] <cosmolax> jsgotangco: thanks. Is also exciting to us. :)
[04:35] <cosmolax> s/ Is /Its
[05:09] <jsgotangco> good night
[05:10] <jsgotangco> eh?
[05:10] <jsgotangco> froud-away: nice seeing you here again!
[05:36] <trappist> http://ubuntu.wordpress.com/2006/06/08/how-to-create-a-screencast-in-ubuntu/
[06:12] <froud> trappist: that's a pretty good start to Hypermedia for the Linux Desktop
[06:18] <trappist> never heard of hypermedia
[06:20] <froud> trappist: basically what you did and what Istanbul does
[06:21] <froud> trappist: nice that you create AVI, I am not sure that Istanbul does do that
[06:23] <trappist> froud: I didn't do this, I just found it :)
[06:23] <froud> trappist: understood but in your demo it created AVI
[06:24] <froud> trappist: which I think is one more option not available
[06:24] <froud> trappist: I knew of Instanbul but when I last used it it was doing ogg I think
[06:24] <trappist> ogg is nice too
[06:25] <froud> trappist: my customer wanted avi because they had to show windows users how to do stuff
[06:25] <froud> before they move to Linux desktops
[06:26] <froud> problem I found was that doing the first work was easy, but when it came to r2 we had to redo the entire file
[06:26] <froud> even breaking down into smaller topics
[06:27] <froud> Still it did help
[06:39] <mgalvin> froud: hey!
[06:41] <jjesse> hello froud
[06:44] <jjesse> hello mgalvin
[06:44] <mgalvin> hey jjesse
[06:48] <froud> mgalvin: jjesse hi
[06:50] <froud> Anyone tried potace http://potrace.sourceforge.net/ could be a nice way to use SVG instead of PNG in repo and generate PNG at time of build?
[06:50] <jjesse> random thought, but i hate fruit on the bottom yogurt always seem to have the fruit last and it doesn't mix up good
[06:50] <froud> Which in tern will enable l18n of screenshots to be done using the poxml process
[06:51] <froud> put the yogurt upside down in the fridge, that way you will always have the fruit on top
[06:51] <nixternal> jjesse: i second that about the fruit
[06:51] <mgalvin> froud: i haven't tried it but it certainly sounds like a neat idea
[06:51] <jjesse> froud: never thoght about that
[06:52] <mgalvin> haha
[06:52] <froud> hope it helps
[06:53] <jjesse> hmm when you login to the wiki why can't it bring you to the last page you were at isntead of brining you to user prefrences?
[06:54] <mdke> it can, check your preferences
[06:54] <mdke> hello there froud!
[06:54] <jjesse> oh thanks mdke
[06:54] <froud> mdke: hi there
[06:55] <froud> hmmm potrace also has a nice little gui 
[06:57] <mgalvin> bah, a kde gui ;)
[06:58] <nixternal> mdke: thanks for that preferences tip, as i was getting annoyed with the userprefs always popping up instead of last page
[06:58] <froud> mdke:  :-) let's not get started
[06:59] <mdke> froud: -> mgalvin, but yeah, who would use KDE anyway
[06:59] <jjesse> some of use would :)
[06:59] <jjesse> and do
[06:59] <nixternal> hey hey
[06:59] <nixternal> i use it and love it ;)
[07:00] <mdke> nixternal: nod, that should probably be the default, if it isn't
[07:00] <mdke> (remember las tpage)
[07:00] <nixternal> it is now for me...thx
[07:00] <froud> mgalvin: :  :-) let's not get started
[07:00] <mgalvin> :)
[07:00] <froud> mdke: sorry
[07:01] <froud> geeze dude it does a hectly good job
[07:01] <froud> seriously has anyone considerd it as an alternative to generating localized screens for l18n
[07:01] <mdke> we hadn't done
[07:02] <mdke> but mainly because we don't really use screenshots
[07:02] <jjesse> wasn't aware of it
[07:02] <mdke> and yeah, we weren't aware of it :)
[07:03] <froud> capture > PNG(en) > potrace > SVG > POT > PO > XML(fr, de, etc)
[07:04] <nixternal> how come when i goto save my userprefs on the wiki, it takes for ever?
[07:04] <nixternal> i have noticed this in the past also
[07:05] <mdke> wiki is really slow at the moment
[07:05] <nixternal> 60 seconds so far
[07:05] <nixternal> i wonder if fasterfox is causing an issue with it
[07:05] <mdke> it's the same saving pages, real slow
[07:05] <nixternal> ya
[07:05] <mdke> bbl
[10:37] <LinuxMonkey-AFK> whats up
[10:37] <jjesse> work, same ol' same ol :)
[10:38] <LinuxMonkey> :)
[10:38] <jjesse> just downloading the community technology preview of windows vista :)
[10:38] <jjesse> only 1.2 GB left
[10:38] <LinuxMonkey> lmao
[10:39] <LinuxMonkey> yeah been there done that
[10:39] <LinuxMonkey> ex-microsoft beta tester
[10:45] <LaserJock> jjesse: how much is it total?
[10:45] <jjesse> 3.2 GB
[10:45] <jjesse> ok work over :)  see you all later
[10:45] <LaserJock> cya
[10:48] <Burgwork> 3.2 gb?
[10:48] <Burgwork> ouch
[10:51] <LinuxMonkey> 3.2GB and unpacked takes about 10 gigs
[10:53] <Burgwork> the sick part is that is just the OS, not even the office suite, etc.
[10:53] <LaserJock> right
[10:53] <Burgwork> what is MS doing in that 10gigs?
[10:53] <LaserJock> I was starting to compare it to the SuSE DVDs
[10:53] <LaserJock> and then I was like "what a sec, the SuSE dvd includes EVERYTHING"
[10:54] <mdke> LaserJock: how are you talking without your head?
[10:54] <mdke> oh, keyboard, yeah
[10:54] <LaserJock> ?
[10:54] <mdke> 21:47:25  * mdke beheads LaserJock
[10:55] <LaserJock> what? how did that happen?
[10:55] <mdke> my samurai sword has taught you the evils of going around with you mediawiki ways
[10:56] <LaserJock> uh, oh ;-)
[10:56] <LaserJock> that one was just for Burgwork 
[10:56] <mdke> don't get his hopes up
[10:57] <LaserJock> hehe, sorry
[10:58] <mdke> :)
[10:58] <mdke> sorry for being a bit surreal just then
[10:59] <LaserJock> heh, you have to give me a bit more context before you go lopping my head off
[11:00] <mdke> when I get the samurai sword in my hands, I just can't stop and give you context... it takes me over
[11:01] <LaserJock> I can understand that
[11:06] <Burgwork> mdke, mediawiki ways?
[11:07] <LinuxMonkey> mdke: can you check out https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuAddingRepositoriesHowto  and let me know what you think, I reduced the size of the images by 50% as per your recommendation for smaller images and made a few changes as recommended in the mailling list
[11:08] <mdke> Burgwork: don't ask
[11:09] <Burgwork> http://digg.com/linux_unix/UbuntuGuide.org_Reborn_for_Dapper <-- ugh
[11:09] <LinuxMonkey> hrmmm no
[11:09] <LaserJock> man, that was fast
[11:10] <LinuxMonkey> official i think not
[11:10] <LaserJock> I don't understand how it is so easy for that stuff to get around
[11:10] <Burgwork> digg, the stupidity of the crowd
[11:10] <Burgwork> now that it is a wiki, we can edit it to our needs
[11:11] <LinuxMonkey> yeah please reffer to..... on every page
[11:11] <mdke> LinuxMonkey: the formatting seems a bit odd, more space between the images and the text? also, the lines of text appear very short in comparison to the page. And I would nuke the table of contents, where there is only one title in each level, it doesn't help much 
[11:11] <LinuxMonkey> and point it to our official pages
[11:12] <Burgwork> remove the bad stuff, like killing the panel
[11:12] <mdke> Burgwork: we don't have the resources to work on all the unofficial wikis around though
[11:12] <Burgwork> no, we don't, but this one is big enough
[11:13] <LaserJock> I've just about had it with documentation, tbh
[11:13] <Burgwork> heh
[11:13] <mdke> LaserJock: eh?
[11:13] <mdke> don't say that!
[11:13] <LaserJock> I admire you guys for getting in there, I just don't know if I can handle it much longer
[11:13] <Burgwork> LaserJock, it goes it cycles
[11:13] <Burgwork> I don't love docs for some cycles and for some I do
[11:14] <mdke> heh
[11:14] <LaserJock> I don't mind sticking to my little PG and UDR, but the large scale wiki and grand scheme documentation stuff is just getting to be too much
[11:14] <mdke> henrik has written an essay on the UDSF thread
[11:14] <Burgwork> then ignore them
[11:15] <LaserJock> Burgwork: the problem is I care too much
[11:15] <Burgwork> ah, I used to as well
[11:15] <LinuxMonkey> mdke: how do I add space between the text and images
[11:15] <Burgwork> then I got cold
[11:17] <mdke> LinuxMonkey: not sure
[11:17] <LinuxMonkey> lol
[11:17] <manicka> Burgwork, you can't edit the unofficial guide ^^. It's not an open wiki
[11:17] <Burgwork> manicka,  what?
[11:17] <Burgwork> I guess they figured they would have us come and change too many things
[11:18] <manicka> it can only be edited by the maintainers
[11:18] <manicka> who are approved by the admin
[11:18] <mdke> LinuxMonkey: maybe have a look at the style of this - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MultimediaApplications
[11:18] <Burgwork> I have already nuked one reference in our wiki to the new uubntugide
[11:19] <manicka> so I takr it your view on collaboration is slightly different to mdke's
[11:20] <LinuxMonkey> mdke: thats how my code looks. lol and still no spaces..lol
[11:20] <mdke> LinuxMonkey: how come your text is wrapped though? are you enclosing it in a table or something?
[11:21] <LinuxMonkey> no i just fixed that issue
[11:21] <LinuxMonkey> it was the menu doing that
[11:21] <mdke> ah
[11:21] <mdke> ok
[11:21] <LinuxMonkey> if you reload it you will see
[11:22] <mdke> what happened to the specific theme for wiki.kubuntu.org by the way?
[11:24] <Burgwork> mdke, got a link to that thread now?
[11:24] <mdke> the storage facility one? it's http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=190676
[11:25] <Burgwork> yep, thanks
[11:25] <LaserJock> hehe
[11:26] <LinuxMonkey> anyone know how to add space between my images and text on https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuAddingRepositoriesHowto
[11:36] <LinuxMonkey> mdke i figured out the spacing issue
[11:36] <mdke> ah, nice one
[11:36] <LinuxMonkey> the was a space in front of the text and messing it all up oddly ennough
[11:36] <LinuxMonkey> there*
[11:37] <LinuxMonkey> so can we take it out of cleanup now :)
[11:37] <mdke> sure thing
[11:38] <LinuxMonkey> to remove it all I do is remove CategoryCleanup at the end right
[11:39] <mdke> yeah
[11:40] <LinuxMonkey> Done and done :)
[11:40] <LinuxMonkey> doesnt it look sexy
[11:42] <mdke> :)
[11:42] <mdke> LinuxMonkey: thanks for your work on that
[11:42] <nixternal> ati love i tell you
[11:43] <nixternal> xorg-driver-fglrx corruption after my kernel compile...forget that
[11:45] <LinuxMonkey> ty mdke
[11:45] <Burgwork> nixternal, just don't compile a kernel. problem solved ;)
[11:48] <LinuxMonkey> just told someone to use adept to see apps avail for installation and got this response from a different user... [18:45]  <judgen> LinuxMonkey: apt-get ffs!
[11:48] <LinuxMonkey> lol