[12:03] <imbrandon> cool thanks crimsun
[12:03] <imbrandon> will take care of all that asap so when the edgy repos open we can upload
[01:24] <imbrandon> crimsun: ping ...
[01:24] <crimsun> imbrandon: pong
[01:24] <imbrandon> hey ok since i'm new to this i'm trying to figure out the dh_COMPAT=3 stuff and what it means and what i need to do to update it to 4+ etc etc
[01:25] <imbrandon> google is not being nice, or i just dont know what to search for
[01:25] <imbrandon> per your sugestion about apt-mirror, i was thinkiing i could change it and just send a patch upstream
[01:26] <imbrandon> took care of everyting else
[01:26] <bddebian> Heya folks
[01:26] <imbrandon> heya bddebian
[01:27] <LaserJock> hi bddebian
[01:27] <bddebian> Heya imbrandon, LaserJock
[01:28] <crimsun> imbrandon: change it to 5 and send the patch upstream
[01:28] <imbrandon> just the dh_compat= line ? thats it ?
[01:28] <crimsun> yes, and if you have a debian/compat, change that
[01:29] <imbrandon> k
[01:29] <crimsun> (I don't remember your source package well enough)
[01:29] <bddebian> Hey crimsun
[01:29] <crimsun> hullo bddebian
[01:39] <imbrandon> ok crimsun , bddebian , LaserJock , or anyone else .... all ready for prying eyes http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2383
[01:45] <crimsun> imbrandon: did you heed the linda output? You need to bump the b-d version in debian/control, too.
[01:46] <imbrandon> ouch .. he ok , i'm gonna get this right one of these days , ok whats the stuff about the #DEBHELPER# tag >?
[01:47] <crimsun> the source package has a custom postinst, so you don't necessarily need to add that tag to it
[01:48] <imbrandon> k
[01:49] <imbrandon> and the standards version of 3.5.2 ?
[01:52] <crimsun> you need to actually check that against current Policy
[01:53] <imbrandon> k
[01:53] <crimsun> dapper has 3.6.2.2
[02:04] <imbrandon> ok linda and lintian look ok this time cept for the standards version and that can be changed later .... http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2384
[02:05] <ajmitch> afternoon all
[02:05] <imbrandon> heya ajmitch
[02:05] <bddebian> Heya ajmitch
[02:05] <crimsun> imbrandon: right, better
[02:06] <crimsun> 'afternoon ajmitch
[02:06] <imbrandon> ok i'll package up a patch for upstream but thus far looks good for edgy universe ?
[02:07] <LaserJock> ji ajmitch
[02:07] <ajmitch> jey LaserJock
[02:08] <LaserJock> hmm, having a little problem with the keyboard ajmitch?
[02:08] <ajmitch> only as much as you are :)
[02:08] <imbrandon> heh
[02:09] <imbrandon> or jej
[02:09] <imbrandon> ;)
[02:09] <LaserJock> well, I know what my problem was, I just wouldn't expect such sloppiness from you ;-)
[02:09] <imbrandon> darn #*-es people j/k
[02:09] <ajmitch> it was perfectly deliberate
[02:10] <ajmitch> hello StevenK
[02:10] <imbrandon> 'ello
[02:10] <crimsun> 'lo
[02:10] <LaserJock> 'i
[02:13] <bddebian> Hello StevenK
[02:13] <LaserJock> hmm, so does anybody here work with TeX stuff?
[02:13] <ajmitch> define 'work with'
[02:13] <StevenK> I can write LaTeX, does that count?
[02:13] <bddebian> As little as possible :)
[02:14] <LaserJock> I'm thinking more along the lines of packaging
[02:14] <ajmitch> nope
[02:14] <ajmitch> not that silly
[02:16] <LaserJock> well, I got (or rather ubuntu-science) and email from a Debian TeX maintainer about how Ubuntu wasn't doing a very good job
[02:17] <ajmitch> excellent
[02:17] <ajmitch> you always appreciate those emails
[02:17] <sladen> *sigh*
[02:17] <LaserJock> he was saying that we were slow to fix what he said were RC bugs so they only landed in -updates
[02:18] <sladen> release-critical TeX.  Oh right(!)
[02:18] <tseng> yeah
[02:18] <tseng> it would be nice if we could watch their bugs
[02:18] <tseng> but you cant always
[02:18] <LaserJock> yeah
[02:19] <tseng> i peak at beagle on occassion
[02:19] <LaserJock> it is bug #36145 if anybody is interested in seeing the fun
[02:19] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 36145 in tetex-base "hyphenation does not work after upgrade from breezy to dapper" [Medium,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/36145
[02:19] <ajmitch> oh that one
[02:19] <StevenK> LaserJock: Was that Frank Kuster?
[02:19] <LaserJock> no
[02:20] <LaserJock> Ralf Stubner
[02:20] <StevenK> Heh, I would have considered Frank abrasive enough to do it
[02:20] <tseng> it takes a special kind of person to maintain TeX
[02:21] <StevenK> One that is a masochist.
[02:22] <LaserJock> so I replied back and said that we just simply lack manpower
[02:22] <LaserJock> he also said we have a *very* outdated version of auctex
[02:23] <LaserJock> so I said we had the current Debian unstable up to 2 days before UVF
[02:25] <LaserJock> I don't know, but I just wondered if there were enough people to get a little team or something going
[02:25] <ajmitch> not enough of us care? :)
[02:25] <LaserJock> do I have to answer that?
[02:26] <StevenK> LaserJock: I'm not masochistic enough.
[02:26] <ajmitch> yes you are
[02:26] <ajmitch> you're a DD
[02:26] <StevenK> *And* I read -devel
[02:26] <LaserJock> yeah, see that's my problem. I did a couple bug fixes for TeX in Dapper
[02:26] <ajmitch> StevenK: a lost cause
[02:26] <LaserJock> but I'm a TeX user
[02:26] <LaserJock> not a maintainer
[02:27] <ajmitch> LaserJock: I'm barely a user
[02:27] <LaserJock> well, I have to write all my research material in tex
[02:27] <LaserJock> I even did a poster once (4ftx4ft) in tex
[02:27] <StevenK> I'm with ajmitch. I use TeX. Not very often, though
[02:28] <LaserJock> lot of good you DDs are then, shesh ;-)
[02:28] <hub> LaserJock: at least you don't have to use a proprietary program
[02:28] <hub> LaserJock: unlike some
[02:29] <LaserJock> ugggh, I'd have nightmares
[02:30] <LaserJock> "no, no please don't make me use Word, I beg of you! Anything but Word!"
[02:30] <StevenK> One of the lecturers at Uni refuses to accept online submissions in Word.
[02:31] <LaserJock> awesome
[02:31] <StevenK> "Submissions in Word will be ignored. If you wish to typeset your assignment, I'd suggest you look at nroff, or LaTeX."
[02:31] <LaserJock> actually I've used Word quite a bit for writing reports
[02:32] <LaserJock> but I can't stand it for anything over like 3 pages and no graphics
[02:35] <bddebian> So do it in NotePad ;-P
[02:35] <StevenK> My problem with it is that people concentrate on making it look pretty, to the detriment of the actual content.
[02:37] <bddebian> Hmm, what to do tonight...  Look at bugs I can't fix, play Morrowind, or none of the above :-)
[02:37] <ajmitch> fix bugs
[02:37] <bddebian> I cant
[02:37] <LaserJock> why not?
[02:38] <ajmitch> do it anyway
[02:39] <bddebian> Because I'm st00pid :-)
[02:39] <shawarma> ...just read a bit of the backlog.. I suppose I could toss some love at tetex. I use it daily. I even hope to package TeXlive for Edgy.
[02:39] <shawarma> Not right now, though.
[02:39] <ajmitch> bddebian: oh shut up
[03:09] <ryanakca> hmmm... how do you install packages into fakeroot? http://pastebin.ca/63102
[03:11] <crimsun> hmm
[03:11] <ajmitch> you don't
[03:11] <ajmitch> fakeroot isn't a chroot
[03:11] <ajmitch> so you'd have to do apt-get build-dep bzflag
[03:11] <ajmitch> & hope the build-deps it lists are there
[03:11] <crimsun> this changelog entry seems ... unique:
[03:11] <crimsun> * Drop LinuxThreads on all arches, require 2.6 on all architectures. - debian/sysdeps/linux.mk: Use linuxthreads instead of nptl.
[03:12] <ajmitch> heh
[03:12] <ajmitch> glibc?
[03:12] <crimsun> I'm not one to question JeffB, but...
[03:12] <crimsun> yeah
[03:13] <ajmitch> he mentions optimisations! ;)
[03:13] <crimsun> mm -mcpu=niagara
[03:26] <imbrandon> uhht ohh Vista Public Beta 2 just hit the MS website, thats gonna be a whole nother nightmare for support on people trying to dual boot
[03:26] <zul> then dont :)
[03:27] <imbrandon> not for me, for the newbs that try it
[03:27] <imbrandon> ;)\
[03:55] <crimsun> ouch, a distro team meeting at 4 AM localtime
[03:56] <ajmitch> not so bad
[03:56] <ajmitch> 8PM for me
[03:56] <bdubuntu> Eeks
[03:57] <ajmitch> crimsun: it'll probably be a short meeting anyway
[03:57] <ajmitch> a 'welcome to edgy' talk & people giving details of what they've done since release apart from drinking :)
[03:57] <bdubuntu> heh
[04:01] <Toadstool> hi here
[04:02] <ajmitch> hi
[04:14] <Kyral> oy oy oy
[04:14] <Kyral> its heating up again...
[04:56] <Kyral> oy and now I get hell from Kass for agreeing with Seveas...
[04:58] <Kyral> RPI....
[04:58] <bddebian> WTF...?
[04:58] <Kyral> huh?
[04:59] <bddebian> What are you talking about? :-)
[04:59] <Kyral> FliesLikeABrick's cloak
[04:59] <Kyral> it has RPI in it
[04:59] <FliesLikeABrick> aye it does
[04:59] <Kyral> Rochester PolyTech?
[04:59] <FliesLikeABrick> Rensselaer
[04:59] <Kyral> same thing
[04:59] <FliesLikeABrick> sorry for the constant join/part, some script kiddie on quakenet keeps CTCP flooding a couple people in our channel
[04:59] <bddebian> Kyral: I meant the Kass comment
[04:59] <FliesLikeABrick> no, we > Rochester ;)
[05:00] <Kyral> Then you my friend are my enemy
[05:00] <FliesLikeABrick> right-o ;)
[05:00] <Kyral> <== Clarkson University
[05:00] <bddebian> Kelly Clarkson?
[05:00] <Kyral> If I recall, our hockey team embarrassed yours this year
[05:01] <FliesLikeABrick> Kyral my dad went to clarkson
[05:01] <FliesLikeABrick> '78
[05:01] <Kyral> lol
[05:01] <Kyral> I betcha he loves you now lol
[05:01] <FliesLikeABrick> lol
[05:01] <Kyral> bddebian: RPI and Clarkson are colleges in NY State who are pretty much bitter rivals
[05:01] <bddebian> Kyral: I know, I am in Philly.  I was being sarcastic :-)
[05:02] <Kyral> and the thing about Kass
[05:02] <Kyral> someone pissed off Seveas with shit about Automatix and got banned from #ubuntu
[05:02] <Kyral> I got hell for siding with Seveas
[05:02] <bddebian> Uhm, OK
[05:03] <bddebian> BTW, why are you in an Ubuntu support channel when you don't use Ubuntu anymore? (Just curious?)
[05:03] <Kyral> Because I can still help :D
[05:04] <bddebian> That's cool
[05:10] <Laser_away> who is the distro team?
[05:10] <ajmitch> LaserJock: the team employed by canonical to work on ubuntu. they have to show up for the meeting. all the rest of us are optional
[05:11] <Hobbsee> morning all
[05:11] <bddebian> Hi LaserJock, Hobbsee
[05:11] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: hush you!
[05:11] <Hobbsee> hey bddebian
[05:11] <LaserJock> ajmitch: what do they do? I haven't really understood that
[05:12] <ajmitch> LaserJock: what do you mean?
[05:13] <LaserJock> I mean what are they supposed to do? what is their purpose?
[05:14] <ajmitch> the team or the meeting?
[05:15] <LaserJock> team
[05:16] <Kyral> fucking hell
[05:16] <Kyral> I can't put my braces back in
[05:16] <ajmitch> LaserJock: it's just the group of canonical employees who work on the distro, as opposed to launchpad
[05:16] <ajmitch> you've probably seen what they do by now :)
[05:16] <Kyral> Jees
[05:17] <Kyral> Watch for the Forums to heat up again
[05:17] <theCore> how can I make a package from a program that doesn't use the standard autoconf build method?
[05:18] <freeflying|away> anyone has set up edgy's chroot?
[05:18] <ajmitch> freeflying|away: yes, but there's nothing new yet
[05:18] <LaserJock> ajmitch: implement specs is what I've seen
[05:18] <ajmitch> theCore: quite a few packages don't use autotools
[05:19] <freeflying|away> ajmitch: thanks
[05:19] <ajmitch> you just need to build it & put the results in the right place
[05:19] <theCore> ajmitch: so, does it mean that I have to manual create a debian/rules file for it?
[05:20] <ajmitch> sure
[05:20] <theCore> oh
[05:20] <theCore> I get it
[05:20] <theCore> thanks ajmitch
[05:20] <ajmitch> depending on what you mean by 'manually create'
[05:20] <ajmitch> you can probably still use most of the debhelper tools
[05:21] <theCore> ok, manually edit
[05:21] <ajmitch> you should do that anyway
[05:23] <theCore> I trying to package Diva, but it seem that it uses a patched GStreamer CVS, I will have surely have a hard time with it
[05:25] <theCore> (yuck, I really need to check my spelling)
[05:26] <LaserJock> anybody use git for something other than the kernel?
[05:28] <ajmitch> nope, I use bzr for everything else
[05:28] <LaserJock> k
[05:29] <LaserJock> I sure wish bzr had better documentation
[05:29] <LaserJock> I'm just too dumb to get very far
[05:41] <ajmitch> what do you have trouble with?
[05:46] <LaserJock> ajmitch: not so much trouble as I doubt I'm using it effectively/right
[05:46] <ajmitch> right
[05:47] <LaserJock> I'm learning a little bit since I started a python software project
[05:56] <LaserJock> I'm pretty excited
[05:56] <LaserJock> but I really haven't gotten to work on it yet
[05:56] <LaserJock> it has mostly been cbx33
[05:56] <LaserJock> and he even made a package for it
[05:56] <LaserJock> by reading the Packaging Guide
[05:57] <ajmitch> great
[05:57] <ajmitch> what is it?
[06:00] <LaserJock> gisomount
[06:00] <LaserJock> it is a Python gtk iso mounter
[06:01] <ajmitch> ok
[06:01] <LaserJock> nothing earth shattering
[06:01] <ajmitch> sounds like something that could be a nautilus extension :)
[06:01] <LaserJock> yeah
[06:01] <LaserJock> we will be adding that too
[06:01] <LaserJock> it also will do md5sums
[06:02] <LaserJock> it kind grew out of all the Dapper testing
[06:02] <LaserJock> cbx33 was doing lots of test for Edubuntu
[06:02] <LaserJock> and he wanted to check md5sum and browse the .isos
[06:02] <LaserJock> but he was doing quite a few
[06:03] <LaserJock> so, I don't know. It's kinda cool for a first project, we are both learning Python and GTK
[06:03] <LaserJock> and bzr
[06:03] <ajmitch> Toadstool: you noticed that pervasive ipv6 integration is a release goal for debian etch?
[06:04] <LaserJock> but I think I might also need to do a little C if I end up trying to implement my Edgy spec
[06:04] <ajmitch> which is?
[06:05] <LaserJock> edubuntu-dynamic-menus
[06:06] <LaserJock> trying to adjust the Applications menu depending on what group a user belongs to
[06:06] <Lathiat> ajmitch i noticed it :)
[06:06] <Lathiat> (ipv6)
[06:07] <Lathiat> theres a few interesting goals there
[06:07] <ajmitch> yep
[06:07] <ajmitch> Lathiat: I just saw https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IPv6Integration
[06:07] <Lathiat> thge new gtk framebuffer installer looks quite nifty
[06:07] <Lathiat> one bug is on touchpads it seems to be a 1:1 mapping rather than a movement map
[06:08] <Lathiat> so if i start in the top elft the mouse jumps there adn starts moving
[06:08] <unix_infidel> Lathiat: what laptop you got?
[06:08] <Lathiat> unix_infidel: dell insipron 8600
[06:08] <unix_infidel> hey guys, i know i can install kde on top of the standard ubuntu install, but how large will the binary installation plus the debs be?
[06:08] <Lathiat> unix_infidel: 100-150M of debs at ag uess
[06:08] <Lathiat> no idea on install size
[06:08] <Lathiat> 600M?
[06:09] <Lathiat> i pulleda lll of those figures from thin air :)
[06:09] <Lathiat> let me know how right i am :)
[06:09] <unix_infidel> i'm deciding b/w ubuntu and kubuntu, but i'd like to get idea of what kinda resources i'm dedicating.
[06:09] <unix_infidel> heh, i thought you guy's were the masters of the universe :P
[06:09] <Lathiat> the resources between each are probably about the same
[06:09] <unix_infidel> 600 sounds about riht.
[06:09] <unix_infidel> 100-150 sounds about right.
[06:10] <unix_infidel> i'd just like to get a closer estimate.
[06:10] <unix_infidel> from an authoritative source...unless i'm wrong :P
[06:10] <Lathiat> apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[06:10] <imbrandon> no idea but try it out and let us know so we cxan tell the next person ;)
[06:10] <Lathiat> see hwo much it says it needs
[06:10] <Lathiat> :)
[06:11] <unix_infidel> Lathiat: i know that's about 145MB
[06:11] <unix_infidel> i'm more interested in the binary.
[06:11] <Lathiat> you mean
[06:11] <Lathiat> how much space on disk after?
[06:11] <unix_infidel> yes.
[06:11] <Lathiat> instal it and find out :)
[06:11] <Lathiat> wait
[06:11] <Lathiat> doesnt apt tell you?
[06:11] <unix_infidel> i havent installed it yet.....
[06:11] <unix_infidel> i'm deciding b/w ubuntu and kubuntu :P
[06:11] <unix_infidel> LOL
[06:11] <Lathiat> Need to get 133MB of archives.
[06:11] <Lathiat> After unpacking 398MB of additional disk space will be used.
[06:11] <imbrandon> unix_infidel: i'm on kubuntu and did .... sudo apt-get install ubuntu-dektop and got .....
[06:11] <imbrandon> Need to get 147MB of archives.
[06:12] <imbrandon> After unpacking 676MB of additional disk space will be used.
[06:12] <Lathiat> tis what it says for me
[06:12] <Lathiat> i already have the kde base libraries and stuff installed tho
[06:12] <Lathiat> tis whyt heres a big difference
[06:12] <unix_infidel> aight, cool, i'm going to install regular ubuntu then.
[06:12] <Lathiat> as i run kopete and stuff
[06:12] <Lathiat> unix_infidel: just remember that when y9u install kubuntu
[06:12] <Lathiat> you lose all the gnome stuff
[06:12] <Lathiat> i suspect that ab ase install of either
[06:12] <Lathiat> is basically the same
[06:12] <unix_infidel> Lathiat: nah, i'm going to install ubuntu
[06:12] <unix_infidel> and do apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[06:12] <Lathiat> . righjt, ok
[06:13] <Lathiat> that makesa  mess of your menus :)
[06:13] <unix_infidel> Lathiat: i use fluxbox :P
[06:13] <unix_infidel> this is for testing purposes :P
[06:13] <bddebian> Gnight folks
[06:13] <imbrandon> gnight bddebian
[06:13] <unix_infidel> why the hell else would you think i'd be interested in how much space i'm "wastin"
[06:14] <LaserJock> I dio ubuntu and then install kubuntu-desktop and xubuntu-desktop for the heck of it
[06:15] <unix_infidel> nw that's just crazy.
[06:15] <unix_infidel> anwyway, i'm going to give it a go
[06:15] <unix_infidel> i think you'd get better support here than in #ubuntu :P
[06:15] <unix_infidel> i mean seriously....i hate going in there :P
[06:17] <LaserJock> ajmitch: I merge for a particular branch all the time, is there a way to have bzr remeber that?
[06:21] <ajmitch> it might have --remember
[06:21] <ajmitch> I can't recall ;)
[06:21] <ajmitch> yeah, it does
[06:23] <imbrandon> w00t stuff coming accross edgy-changes .... time to learn to setupa chroot .... or hmmm vmware
[06:23] <tritium> :)
[06:24] <ajmitch> back later
[06:25] <LaserJock> imbrandon: do the chroot
[06:25] <imbrandon> anyone have an idea when universe will be open for uploads ?
[06:25] <LaserJock> it's good for you :-)
[06:25] <LaserJock> it more or less is now, I think
[06:25] <imbrandon> LaserJock: do you have one setup so when i fail i can ask you questions ;)
[06:26] <LaserJock> a chroot?
[06:26] <imbrandon> yea
[06:26] <LaserJock> yeah, I've got like 7 or 8 of them spread all over the place
[06:27] <LaserJock> oh it's not bad, just use wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot
[06:27] <imbrandon> nice , is it simple enough to semi walk me though here on irc ?
[06:27] <imbrandon> ahh ok
[06:27] <imbrandon> thanks
[06:28] <imbrandon> and you can setup any enviroment in chroot ? even say suse or such ? not that i would setup suse but its good toknow i could , or say debian sarge chroot etc
[06:29] <LaserJock> you can do debian and Ubuntu, but I don't think you can do other distros (at least not easily) but I'm totally not sure of that
[06:30] <imbrandon> cool , yea mostly just debian ish is all i'm interested in
[06:30] <Kyral> night peopel
[06:30] <imbrandon> night Kyral
[06:38] <nenolod> hi! I'm one of the audacious developers. Your listing in launchpad for it is umm, grossly inaccurate. It is listed as being dependant on GST, while in reality we have our own backend.
[06:39] <unix_infidel> hey nenolod :)
[06:40] <Erlang> eh, I thought for a second that it was pretty strange for somebody to qualify himself as an audacious developer...
[06:40] <nenolod> Erlang: haha. :P
[06:41] <nenolod> Anywho, when I tried to submit an update, it said I wasn't authorized to, so I just wanted to let you all know. I'll idle in here and see if the driver for the audacious package in Launchpad shows up.
[06:42] <Erlang> I don't see an 'audacious' package.
[06:43] <unix_infidel> nenolod: there is none.
[06:43] <unix_infidel> they have a package on their website.
[06:43] <nenolod> unix_infidel: there is in Launchpad. It's a child of gstreamer.
[06:43] <Erlang> URL?
[06:43] <nenolod> http://launchpad.net/projects/GStreamer
[06:43] <nenolod> what I am saying is that 'audacious' should not be a child of that.
[06:44] <nenolod> because they are entirely unrelated things.
[06:44] <nenolod> :-P
[06:45] <Erlang> I see now.
[06:45] <nenolod> oh. lowercase gstreamer, sorry
[06:45] <Erlang> but I don't think that this means much.
[06:45] <nenolod> I run IRC outside X, so that was from memory. :P
[06:48] <unix_infidel> nenolod: there's an audacious package for ubuntu in the repsos
[06:49] <unix_infidel> repos*
[06:49] <imbrandon> https://launchpad.net/products/audacious
[06:50] <nenolod> imbrandon: yes. what I am saying is that I am upstream, and I wish to make a correction to how it is described
[06:50] <imbrandon> nenolod: then you are better of trying #launchpad ;)
[06:50] <nenolod> imbrandon: thanks
[07:43] <TheMuso> Hey all. Do I have to fetch the new 2.6.17 kernel for edgy from git? Or is there a package somewhere?
[07:45] <ajmitch> there will be a package
[07:45] <ajmitch> be patient
[07:46] <TheMuso> heh
[07:46] <TheMuso> I guess I am interested to try some screen reader crack :)
[07:48] <ajmitch> you can grab it from git if you want
[07:48] <ajmitch> but by the time you finish compiling it, the packages will probably be built & in edgy
[07:48] <TheMuso> Yeah true.
[07:48] <TheMuso> I'll just wait.
[07:48] <ajmitch> it took me a few hours to build on my box
[07:49] <ajmitch> & edgy is switching to gcc-4.1
[07:49] <TheMuso> Thats several kernels though isn't it?
[07:49] <ajmitch> yes
[07:49] <TheMuso> Right.
[07:49] <TheMuso> This will be a very fun cycle.
[07:49] <TheMuso> Especially if gcc is being upgraded. :)
[07:50] <ajmitch> if?
[07:50] <ajmitch> it's there now
[07:50] <ajmitch> switching to 4.1 (and a new glibc) is the first task that has to be done before anything else gets built
[07:51] <TheMuso> Ah thats true.
[08:00] <TheMuso> hmm ok. Hasn't been built yet.
[08:51] <ajmitch> some people just don't know when to shut up :)
[08:53] <seaLne> if there is a version of a package in debian but the package for kubuntu dosen't actually inherit from it (debian didn't do anything but various kubuntu specific patches) should it be -0 or -1?
[08:54] <ajmitch> I'd probably still stick with -0ubuntuX
[08:55] <seaLne> that was my initial thought as -1 would mislead but i wan't sure
[09:42] <siretart> uuuh, first edgy uploads. nice!
[09:43] <ajmitch> morning siretart :)
[09:43] <ajmitch> how are you?
[09:43] <siretart> thanks fine, I'm currently starting my day work with dynamic aspect weaving. and you?
[09:44] <siretart> morning dholbach!
[09:44] <ajmitch> morning dholbach
[09:44] <ajmitch> I'm just waiting for the meeting which should be in ~15 minutes
[09:44] <dholbach> hey siretart, hey ajmitch! hello everbody
[09:44] <ajmitch> hm
[09:44] <ajmitch> k3b upload on revu? I wonder why...
[09:45] <ajmitch> looks to only be a new upstream version
[09:45] <seaLne> so people can look at it
[09:45] <seaLne> primarily Riddell
[09:47] <dabaR> how do I change the install script inside a .deb file?
[09:47] <dabaR> It is performing some check that I want to skip
[09:48] <crimsun> which install script?
[09:49] <crimsun> pre/post, that is
[09:49] <dabaR> pre.
[09:49] <dabaR> it does not install
[09:49] <dabaR> so I guess it is pre
[09:49] <dabaR> It is all still in a .deb
[09:49] <crimsun> where does dpkg actually barf?
[09:50] <dholbach> hey crimsun
[09:50] <crimsun> if you have already tried dpkg -i, you can edit the preinst, otherwise you need to change preinst in the source package and reroll the deb (preferably)
[09:50] <crimsun> hullo dholbach :)
[09:50] <Hobbsee> hey all
[09:50] <dabaR> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15295
[09:50] <crimsun> eek, a pyro
[09:50] <ajmitch> hide the matches!
[09:51] <Hobbsee> matches?  did i hear someone mention matches?
[09:51] <dabaR> I want to skip that check, what should I go about doing?
[09:52] <crimsun> dabaR: since it's already unpacked, just edit /var/lib/dpkg/info/bcm43xx-firmware.preinst
[09:52] <dabaR> hm...
[09:52] <dabaR> or, ahhh...
[09:52] <Hobbsee> mmm..fire...
[09:53] <ajmitch> ok...
[09:53] <ajmitch> strange person
[09:53] <Hobbsee> hehe
[09:53] <crimsun> must be the .au connection ;)
[09:53] <Hobbsee> :P
[09:53] <ajmitch> must be
[09:53] <dabaR> Not there.
[09:53] <crimsun> dabaR: which /var/lib/dpkg/info/bcm43xx-firmware.p* exist?
[09:53] <dabaR> heh
[09:54] <dabaR> nothing under there with bc
[09:54] <dabaR> there is a bc, actually, I guess the calc
[09:54] <crimsun> ah, so it's all in /var/tmp/bleh, then (which you'll see if you use dpkg -D3773 -i)
[09:54] <dabaR> Noooo please don't make me use that.
[09:54] <dabaR> hehe
[09:55] <crimsun> in that case you'll need to retrieve the srcpkg for bcm43xx-firmware and change the preinst, then reroll the binary package
[09:55] <dabaR> I have nothing under /var/tmp
[09:55] <crimsun> yeah, it's temporary :)
[09:55] <dabaR> OK, I guess I have to wait for cafuego then.
[09:56] <crimsun> (he should be providing the src package for download alongside the binary package...)
[09:57] <dabaR> It is some bug in his package which makes Ubuntu not load any more if you install, then uninstall, then reinstall that particular package with my wlan card. Is there many things that could cause that?
[09:58] <crimsun> "not load" meaning "fails to boot and load gdm"?
[09:58] <dabaR> it stops at one of the steps in the boot up process. I can't recall which one right now.
[09:59] <dabaR> falls from the graph to the normal scren.
[09:59] <dabaR> Oh, ya, it was the system log something.
[09:59] <dabaR> Starting system log
[09:59] <dabaR> Or kernel log, not 100% sure now.
[10:00] <crimsun> haven't run across that one, mayhap a bug filed in Malone already?
[10:01] <dabaR> It is just with his package, which is not in any way official, so I am not sure. See, I talked to him about it, but before I found out that it only happens when you uninstall, then reinstall, and he decided to put that check. In the meantime, I misplaced the old .deb which did not have that check, so I can not install now. Hence the question about changing the check.
[10:02] <dabaR> check 1-2
[10:02] <dabaR> And my monodoc crashes every time I click on a link within a page.
[10:03] <dabaR> but, that is another story.
[10:03] <crimsun> mm, yeah, without having seen the source package, I dunno...
[10:03] <dabaR> OK, thanks for the chat:) see ya
[10:03] <Hobbsee> hehe
[10:03] <crimsun> well, they /are/ both in .au ...
[10:04] <ajmitch> they?
[10:04] <ajmitch> cafuego as well, you mean?
[10:04] <crimsun> yeah
[10:04] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: NZ doesnt count as a separate country - it's too small :P
[10:15] <crimsun> hmm, mubuntu?  ("managed"?)
[10:16] <phanatic> hi people
[10:16] <Hobbsee> hey phanatic
[10:16] <phanatic> heya Hobbsee
[10:22] <ajmitch> you're so very helpful
[10:22] <Hobbsee> there you go, there's dinner.
[10:22] <Hobbsee> :) anytime
[10:27] <StevenK> Hrm. I ought to be more careful.
[10:27] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: here's dinner.  StevenK would make great dinner.
[10:27] <StevenK> Hah, I'm going out for dinner tonight.
[10:29] <Hobbsee> StevenK: take us with you? :P
[10:30] <StevenK> If you can get to my place in oh, 2 minutes.
[10:30] <ajmitch> sure
[10:30] <ajmitch> I can try
[10:32] <Hobbsee> StevenK: not with that couch in the way.
[10:32] <StevenK> Heh
[10:32] <Hobbsee> apparently traffic was very slow/blocked in one direction on one of the roads, because there was a couch in the way, just sitting on the road.
[10:33] <ajmitch> australians...
[10:34] <Lathiat> haha
[10:35] <Hobbsee> hehe
[10:36] <Hobbsee> i didnt see it though - just heard about it - not sure where it was
[10:40] <zakame> hi all
[10:40] <ajmitch> hi zakame
[10:40] <zakame> heya ajmitch
[10:41] <ajmitch> how's SoC going?
[10:41] <zakame> janitor work as usual, cleaning up the source :)
[10:42] <ajmitch> fun
[10:43] <zakame> yup, and learning too :D
[10:47] <zakame> hehe
[10:48] <jenda> ploink. Just noticed there is no contact listed in the wiki for this chan. Should I add one?
[10:48] <jenda> sladen?
[10:49] <sladen> jenda: if you want to
[10:50] <jenda> Well, are you the contact person? ;)
[10:50] <jenda> (I'm translating the page, so I stumbled upon that)
[10:51] <crimsun> dholbach heads motu iirc
[10:51] <Hobbsee> hehe...breaking things...dont tempt me... :P
[10:52] <dholbach> crimsun: in what regard?
[10:52] <crimsun> dholbach: aren't you still listed as being the "head"?
[10:52] <jenda> I'm more like looking for the person in charge of the channel...
[10:52] <crimsun> oh, irc channel,
[10:52] <dholbach> crimsun: I'm not sure if MOTU ever had a "head" :)
[10:53] <crimsun> dholbach: ah, ok. I blame Jeff W. ;)
[10:53] <jenda> err... not helping :D
[10:53] <dholbach> crimsun: haha :)
[10:53] <Hobbsee> hey dholbach
[10:54] <dholbach> heya Hobbsee
[10:54] <jenda> Aww...
[10:54] <zakame> hi dholbach !
[10:54] <dholbach> heya zakame, hey ogra
[10:54] <zakame> heya ogra
[10:54] <crimsun> jenda: a number of people have chanserv privileged access, if that's what you seek
[10:54] <jenda> dholbach: so... who is in charge of the channel? (formally)
[10:55] <dholbach> jenda: nobody
[10:55] <jenda> crimsun: not really, that I found out yself :) was looking for the formal.. right.
[10:55] <dholbach> jenda: we're a team
[10:55] <ogra> meh, i missed the meeting, damned
[10:55] <jenda> Great :)
[10:55] <ogra> morning dholbach
[10:55] <dholbach> ogra: still going on
[10:55] <dholbach> jenda: what is your question?
[10:55] <crimsun> ogra: hasn't gotten to 'o' yet
[10:55] <ogra> phew :)
[10:55] <jenda> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InternetRelayChat
[10:56] <dholbach> ah ok
[10:56] <jenda> This channel has no contact person.
[10:56] <dholbach> well, "the MOTU team" is
[10:56] <dholbach>  :)
[10:56] <jenda> I'm translating the page, so I'd like to know - and can fix it in the orig as well.
[10:56] <ajmitch> dholbach is still the Face of MOTU :)
[10:57] <Hobbsee> hmmm...that ops page is out of date...
[10:57] <jenda> so...
[10:57] <jenda> oh no :)
[10:57] <dholbach> ajmitch: I think I'll write a spec about that
[10:57] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: maybe you?
[10:57] <jenda> should I go around and update it?
[10:57] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: nope
[10:57] <Hobbsee> jenda: just https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRCOperators
[10:57] <ajmitch> dholbach: a spec about the face of MOTU? :)
[10:57] <ajmitch> or a spec about the school?
[10:57] <ajmitch> so-called
[10:57] <dholbach> the latter
[10:58] <jenda> Hobbsee: doesn't help...
[10:58] <ajmitch> which would have been useful if we'd kept going with it
[10:58] <dholbach> Edgy will give MOTU a big boost
[10:58] <dholbach> I can feel it
[10:58] <jenda> Hobbsee: the page I'm working on is there to list channels and their contacts.
[10:58] <Hobbsee> jenda: yeah, i saw...that looks okay
[10:58] <crimsun> hmm, importing Sid into LP.
[10:59] <jenda> Well, if you come up with who is actually the contact - please ping me :) I'll put teh freenode contact for now.
[10:59] <ajmitch> dholbach: we need to be ready to handle the influx of new faces then
[10:59] <zakame> dholbach++
[10:59] <ajmitch> Mithrandir: aha, happy birthday ;)
[11:00] <zakame> I can't wait for the merges to begin ;)
[11:00] <ajmitch> someone want to go through & write up some info on what tasks a new person can do?
[11:00] <Mithrandir> ajmitch: thanks
[11:00] <ajmitch> merging stuff will probably be the first big task (again)
[11:01] <ajmitch> Mithrandir: how many years now?
[11:01] <Mithrandir> 26
[11:01] <crimsun> hey, happy birthday!
[11:01] <zul> young'un
[11:01] <crimsun> (dang I feel my old bones creaking...)
[11:01] <zakame> happy birthday Mithrandir ! =)
[11:02] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: happy birthday :)
[11:02] <ajmitch> crimsun: you're only a couple of years older, right? :)
[11:02] <crimsun> just one ;)
[11:02] <Hobbsee> bah.  old people :P
[11:03] <Mithrandir> thanks all. :-)
[11:03] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: yes, we are
[11:26] <Toadstool> heya MOTUs
[11:32] <Mithrandir> ajmitch: can we talk a bit in ~1 hour?
[11:32] <ajmitch> yeah
[11:32] <ajmitch> I'll try & stay awake :)
[11:33] <Mithrandir> thanks.
[11:37] <pschulz01> Greetings all..
[11:38] <pschulz01> New package. I'm working through the Packaging Guide, and would like to know if the original tar has to have the same name as the package..
[11:39] <pschulz01> Also, anyone have an example for the 'get-orig-source' rules file target?
[11:41] <crimsun> pschulz01: the original tar should be named foo-version.orig.tar.gz
[11:41] <crimsun> pschulz01: sorry, foo_version.orig.tar.gz
[11:41] <pschulz01> crimsun - thanks... upstream wasn't cooperative..
[11:41] <pschulz01> crimsun, well.. not at this stage (I haven't spoken to them about this.)
[11:42] <crimsun> pschulz01: it doesn't matter what upstream actually names theirs
[11:42] <pschulz01> Should I have this in the parent directory befor building?
[11:42] <crimsun> the orig.tar.gz of the source package has to follow that syntax, and you can rename upstream's tarball if necessary
[11:43] <crimsun> pschulz01: yes, if the source package is non-native
[11:44] <pschulz01> crimsun, It was also 'bz2'ed.. have converted to gz as per manual.
[11:44] <crimsun> ugh, 3 hours of sleep or fewer before my next meeting
[11:45] <ajmitch> lucky crimsun
[11:45] <ajmitch> work meeting?
[11:46] <zakame> awww
[11:47] <ajmitch> sick man
[11:49] <pschulz01> What do I do if the original 'tar' doesn't extract to a suitable tree? eg. yaAGC (instead of yaagc-<version>)
[11:49] <ajmitch> pschulz01: it doesn't matter
[11:49] <pschulz01> ajmitch, Just start editing?
[11:50] <pschulz01> (adding debian dir?)
[11:50] <ajmitch> yep
[11:50] <zakame> brb
[11:52] <Toadstool> ajmitch: yep, I know ipv6 is an etch release goals but I've not seen a thing about that on d-d@ or d-ipv6@...
[11:52] <Toadstool> *goal
[11:52] <ajmitch> probably just debian-release
[11:53] <Toadstool> hum, right
[11:58] <Toadstool> ajmitch: nope, can't find anything except for the announce :/
[11:59] <zakame> shoot building perl just triggered the OOM
[12:08] <pschulz01> What envirment variables should I be setting? (Eg. how do I get emac's changelog mode to pick up my email address?)
[12:09] <zakame> erm, DEBEMAIL?
[12:13] <pschulz01> Ahh...it's not a environment variable... (setq debian-changelog-mailing-address "myname@debian.org"))
[12:14] <ogra> not setting it is a quite effective safety net btw :)
[12:14] <ogra> you have to look at the changelog again and have to s/localhost/your domain/ in it
[12:15] <pschulz01> Ahh..
[12:15] <ajmitch> ogra: not effective enough sometimes :)
[12:15] <ajmitch> I'm sure I've seen uploads go through from 'root@localdomain'
[12:16] <ogra> ajmitch, right, but it saved my ass some times already
[12:16] <zakame> you can always have a progn or somesuch to get the environment variable
[12:16] <ogra> well, that only works if you dont sign with the changelog address
[12:16] <ajmitch> ogra: problem is that I use both @ubuntu.com & @debian.org for changelogs
[12:16] <ajmitch> depending on where I'm uploading
[12:16] <ogra> my gpg would choke on root@localdomain
[12:22] <Hobbsee> why????
[12:22] <ajmitch> why not?
[12:22] <ajmitch> do you have something against NZ?
[12:22] <Hobbsee> because it doesnt take that long to fly - and wouldnt you actually want to go *on* the island, rather than around it???
[12:22] <ajmitch> see the coastline, etc...
[12:23] <ajmitch> visit various coastal cities, perhaps
[12:23] <Hobbsee> true
[12:23] <pschulz01> Go to Milford Sound by boat... beats driving!
[12:24] <Hobbsee> no, got nothing against NZ at all - apart from aussies lovign to tease the NZ'ers
[12:24] <Mithrandir> Hobbsee: I totally understands them.  But then, I'm probably weird.  (I took the train from Oslo to Hong Kong nine years ago)
[12:24] <Hobbsee> hehe, fair enough
[12:24] <Mithrandir> s/understands/understand/
[12:24] <Hobbsee> they dont want to take me either :(
[12:24] <ajmitch> so you get to stay home alone & have parties?
[12:24] <Hobbsee> so it seems...
[12:25] <azeem> Hobbsee: it's just a boring trip *around* an island, why would you want to go along? :PO
[12:25] <azeem> s/O$//
[12:25] <ajmitch> besides, if you visited NZ you'd be without internet access while on a boat...
[12:25] <Hobbsee> azeem: haha true
[12:25] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: e
[12:25] <Hobbsee> exactly!
[12:28] <ajmitch> and no, raw fish does not count
[12:28] <pschulz01> I've made some changes to the source of a package.. when/how does the '.diff.gz' file appear?
[12:28] <Hobbsee> cooked fish any better?
[12:28] <ajmitch> pschulz01: when you do debuild -S, for example
[12:28] <Hobbsee> pschulz01: is the folder named "packagename-versionnumber"?
[12:29] <pschulz01> ajmitch, Doing that...
[12:29] <pschulz01> Hobbsee, No..
[12:29] <Hobbsee> pschulz01: it needs to be, for the .diff.gz to be created, with the debuild -S, i recall
[12:30] <pschulz01> I'm just extracting upstreams tar and editing.
[12:30] <pschulz01> But... but.. but..
[12:30] <Hobbsee> oh ok
[12:30] <pschulz01> ( ajmitch said it didn't matter...)
[12:30] <Hobbsee> there's something different and weird about that
[12:30] <Hobbsee> pschulz01: believe him over me!
[12:31] <pschulz01> Hobbsee, I do get a warning from dpkg-build package.
[12:33] <pschulz01> Ahh,, need to use '_' in orig.tar.gz
[12:33] <viviersf> lol gr8
[12:34] <Hobbsee> that's the other one
[12:34] <viviersf> theres a python package with only a readme telling you to download the source and compile it
[12:34] <viviersf> :(
[12:34] <Hobbsee> hey Kyral
[12:34] <zakame> hi Kyral
[12:35] <Hobbsee> hmmm.  some guys in u-o want to get me drunk, and then get me to dance.  how odd.
[12:35] <zakame> heh
[12:35] <tseng> that means they think you are a hottie
[12:36] <tseng> but still not a good idea
[12:36] <Hobbsee> they've never even seen what i look like!
[12:36] <Hobbsee> i know, i'm not that stupid to accept :P
[12:36] <tseng> i have no idea what u-o iwas, i presumed something university
[12:36] <Hobbsee> tseng: #ubuntu-offtopic
[12:36] <tseng> I see.
[12:37] <tseng> pretty weird
[12:51] <sivang> so, has mergers started already? :)
[12:51] <ajmitch> no
[12:51] <ajmitch> no uploads yet, at any rate
[12:51] <ajmitch> people probably have some merges prepared
[12:52] <tseng> MoM is broke
[12:52] <tseng> afaik
[12:54] <tseng> indeed
[12:55] <tseng> i changed my defaults for gnome-volume-manager and nautilus
[12:55] <tseng> to use f-spot
[01:07] <Gloubiboulga> hello!
[01:08] <Gloubiboulga> Debian policy version is now 3.7.2, do we use this in Standards-Version for new packages in edgy?
[01:08] <ajmitch> might as well, once debian-policy gets synced
[01:09] <Gloubiboulga> ok
[01:20] <Toadstool> Gloubiboulga: I've advised Sp4rky to do so for yersinia
[01:21] <tseng> ajmitch: i wonder if kamion meant to upload new upstreams to dapper
[01:21] <ajmitch> hm?
[01:21] <tseng> they went to dapper-changes
[01:22] <ajmitch> oops
[01:22] <ajmitch> I guess he should have done the coffee first
[01:22] <tseng> could be launchpad is still sending to the old list
[01:23] <ajmitch> no
[01:23] <ajmitch> well..
[01:23] <ajmitch> possible
[01:23] <Gloubiboulga> Toadstool, I've seen this, that's why I asked here ;)
[01:23] <ajmitch> anything is possible with launchpad
[01:23] <ajmitch> nothing on https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/libselinux yet
[01:24] <Gloubiboulga> Toadstool, his package looks great, only a debian/copyright issue
[01:25] <Toadstool> Gloubiboulga: ok ^^
[01:25] <Toadstool> yep, just read your comment about the copyright
[01:50] <Mithrandir> who was it who played with ifolder again?
[01:50] <ogra> Mithrandir, mez
[01:51] <ogra> Mithrandir, i wish he hadnt uploaded that unreviewed and unapproved crap
[01:52] <ajmitch> I'm sure it was an accident
[01:53] <ajmitch> kamion let it out of NEW a few months after it was uploaded
[01:53] <Mithrandir> it doesn't seem to be in dapper?
[01:53] <ajmitch> no, we got it removed
[01:53] <Mithrandir> ah, ok
[01:53] <ajmitch> it was old, broken & unbuildable
[01:53] <ogra> ajmitch, still it had no reviews at all and its a really odd package
[01:54] <ajmitch> ogra: I hope he just made the mistake of uploading to dapper when he meant to upload to REVU
[01:54] <ajmitch> well we can see the queue now :)
[01:54] <ogra> i thought he did a last minute upload of "what he had"
[01:54] <ogra> i aslo didnt knwo the removal was approved ...
[01:55] <ajmitch> yes, tseng & I talked to kamion
[01:55] <ogra> ajmitch, i was here during that conversation, i justs didnt get that it was actually removed
[01:55] <ajmitch> right
[01:55] <ogra> good thing though :)
[01:56] <ajmitch> it still required simias to be buildable
[01:56] <ajmitch> don't know if that was uploaded at all
[01:57] <ogra> i dont think so
[01:58] <\sh> cool..no ifolder in ubuntu, but xgl...I actually don't know what's more harmful ;)
[01:59] <ogra> xgl isnt harmful
[01:59] <ogra> its locked away in universe ... you need to do some manual steps to even get it working
[02:00] <\sh> ogra: believe me over the weekend and on monday we had to answer hundreds of xgl questions on #kubuntu-de.
[02:00] <\sh> because every ricer is installing xgl and they don't know what to do ... it is harmful for the community supporter
[02:01] <ajmitch> it's quite painful
[02:01] <ogra> \sh, well, i tend to ingnore them :)
[02:01] <ogra> xgl wont make it into xorg anyway ... i guess it will stay in its niche and be happy over there
[02:01] <ajmitch> we got xgl & compiz in universe when they were released, and noone cared enough to update them
[02:01] <ajmitch> yes, novell vs redhat
[02:01] <\sh> ogra: I told them, it's unsupported, they are on their own
[02:02] <ajmitch> they each have their pet method of doing things
[02:02] <\sh> I don't need a wordprocessor which is rotating three dimensional over my 2d desktop ;)
[02:02] <ajmitch> don't forget the wobbling!
[02:03] <ogra> yeah, we even have a SoC project for a wobbly screen magnifier ;)
[02:04] <\sh> oh wobbling email clients I don't need either, I'm already blind ;)
[02:04] <ajmitch> ogra: and I still wonder why.. :)
[02:05] <ogra> ajmitch, to see the letters wobbling while zooming in and out :)
[02:05] <ajmitch> haha
[02:06] <Hobbsee> hehe.  scary
[02:06] <Hobbsee> there's apparently a nvidia guide for xgl for kubuntu now :)
[02:06] <ajmitch> oh, I should take a look
[02:06] <ajmitch> I need to have windows bouncing around
[02:07] <\sh> btw...is edgy open for action?
[02:07] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:07] <ajmitch> no
[02:07] <zul> ajmitch: i note a tone of sarcasm there..
[02:07] <ajmitch> \sh: there's plenty of action, but not of the right kind
[02:08] <ajmitch> zul: really?
[02:08] <zul> ajmitch: really
[02:15] <hub> action?
[02:46] <Hobbsee> haha
[02:46] <Hobbsee> what are you havign ajmitch?
[02:46] <Hobbsee> it's almost 1am there!
[02:46] <ajmitch> curry
[02:46] <StevenK> It took you that long to decide?
[02:47] <Hobbsee> nice
[02:47] <Hobbsee> StevenK: how was your dinner?
[02:47] <StevenK> It was okay.
[02:47] <ajmitch> StevenK: no, it took me that long to do something about it :)
[02:47] <StevenK> The Chinese resturant we went to wasn't up to its usual high standard tonight. :-(
[02:47] <ajmitch> since I was watching the distro meeting, talking about soc work, other random stuff..
[02:47] <ajmitch> ah, a shame
[02:48] <Hobbsee> :(
[02:48] <Hobbsee> bleck, chinese
[02:48] <ajmitch> you don't like?
[02:48] <StevenK> How can you not?
[02:48] <Hobbsee> no, especially when it's half cold
[02:48] <ajmitch> fussy..
[02:48] <Hobbsee> i dont mind rice and noodles though :P
[02:48] <Hobbsee> hehe..yep
[02:48] <StevenK> What about Thai?
[02:48] <Hobbsee> depends on what it is - and how spicy it is.  curries are good
[02:49] <ajmitch> this is just a beef vindaloo..
[02:50] <StevenK> I'll usually only have a curry if I've got a flu.
[02:50] <ajmitch> how unfortunate
[02:50] <ajmitch> why only then?
[02:50] <ajmitch> you'd lose most of the taste with the flu..
[03:31] <pschulz01> Does anyone here use dpatch?
[03:31] <tseng> yes, everyone
[03:31] <pschulz01> :-)
[03:31] <tseng> its in the MOTU toolbox
[03:31] <pschulz01> Good.. I think it's going to be the only way I'm going to be able to get this package to build.
[03:32] <ajmitch> why do you think that?
[03:32] <pschulz01> Upstream uses a home spun 'configure' script...
[03:33] <ajmitch> is that a problem?
[03:33] <pschulz01> I would like to use 'autoconf' and friends, but that requires something like 'autoreconf' to be run to create a real 'configure' prior to calling the packaging tools.
[03:34] <pschulz01> Upstream doesn't support PREFIX.
[03:34] <ajmitch> why would you completely change the upstream build system like that?
[03:34] <pschulz01> (easily)
[03:34] <tritium> On launchpad, what's an ubuntero, and why would I not be shown as one?
[03:34] <pschulz01> Sorry.. DESTDIR
[03:34] <ajmitch> tritium: someone who's signed the CoC
[03:35] <tritium> ajmitch: I've certainly done that
[03:35] <ajmitch> I'd assume so, otherwise you couldn't upload :)
[03:35] <tritium> yeah, strange...
[03:35] <ajmitch> I see I'm not marked as one now
[03:35] <ajmitch> LP bug
[03:35] <tritium> indeed
[03:35] <tritium> I'll file it
[03:37] <pschulz01> ajmitch, It also tries to support multiple architectures but doesn't do it very well.
[03:37] <ajmitch> unilaterally ripping out a build system & replacing it with autoconf isn't the best way to maintain a package
[03:37] <ajmitch> s/autoconf/autotools/
[03:37] <phanatic> hey dholbach
[03:38] <pschulz01> ajmitch,comment appriciated..
[03:38] <ajmitch> since you end up having to maintain a large burden
[03:39] <pschulz01> ajmitch, I would like to push patches upstream that make it easier..
[03:40] <JohnnyMast> any italians around ?
[03:41] <imbrandon> !it ?
[03:41] <JohnnyMast> yeah those fokes :)
[03:41] <ajmitch> pschulz01: best to work closely with upstream for it
[03:41] <tritium> ajmitch: maybe we haven't signed version 1.0.1 of the Code?
[03:41] <pschulz01> ajmitch, I'm also getting lots of "dpkg-source: cannot represent change to...  binary file contents changed"
[03:41] <tritium> perhaps it was only 1.0 that we signed, in other words
[03:41] <ajmitch> tritium: probably, and it *was* unsignable until the last code rollout a couple of days aho
[03:41] <ajmitch> s/aho/ago
[03:41] <pschulz01> ajmitch, You're right there.
[03:42] <ajmitch> however 1.0 ->1.0.1 is typographical changes onlu
[03:42] <tritium> ajmitch: okay
[03:42] <azeem> pschulz01: binary contents changed means you're adding/changing something which is not a text file
[03:42] <azeem> you cannot do that when making a diff like .diff.gz
[03:43] <pschulz01> pschulz01, I have had some success (see recent upload to REVU)  when I edit the configuration myself, but this doesn't solve the long term problem.
[03:44] <pschulz01> azeem, cheers...
[03:45] <\sh> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/edgy/
[03:45] <\sh> woot?
[03:46] <pschulz01> How are 'autotool' packages handled? Is it possible for the packaging scripts to run 'autoreconf' or is it expected that this will have been done upstream?
[03:46] <pschulz01> (or does it depend on the package?)
[03:46] <azeem> it should be done upstream
[03:47] <azeem> but if the upstream tarball isn't up to it, you can either run it yourself and use the result as a patch when preparing the source package, or run it during package build time (and Build-Depends on the autotools)
[03:47] <azeem> the latter isn't recommended though I think
[03:48] <pschulz01> OK.. I wondered how the automatic build and test tools would be able to cope with it.
[03:48] <pschulz01> All very straight forward really.
[03:54] <\sh> azeem: I like the build time autoreconf way much more
[03:55] <azeem> the main problem seem to be issues with one of the autotools versions changing between rebuilds and thus leading to unexpected results
[04:07] <pschulz01> \sh, are you doing this with any packages?
[04:08] <pschulz01> \sh, (looking for an example)
[04:13] <\sh> pschulz01: no...just packages which are not working as expected because of outdated aclocal and stuff like this..not every time...
[04:14] <pschulz01> \sh, cheers..
[04:40] <h3sp4wn> Is there any good documentation on using dpkg-cross with ubuntu ? Or just the debian docs for it
[04:55] <Hobbsee> night all
[04:56] <phanatic> night Hobbsee
[04:57] <imbrandon64> gnight Hobbsee
[05:31] <Ibalon> hi all
[07:10] <crimsun> wee, "Ubuntu udev policy"  [https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/edgy-changes/2006-June/000024.html] 
[07:47] <Kyral_FreeBSD> oh sadness, bddebian isn't here
[07:48] <crimsun> he's bdubuntu now, I think ;)
[07:48] <Kyral_FreeBSD> lol
[07:48] <Kyral_FreeBSD> I finally got around to installing HURD
[07:48] <Kyral_FreeBSD> ...or trying to lol
[07:51] <Kyral_FreeBSD> I load it with GRUB, it goes to a command prompt, then promptly freezes lol
[07:51] <crimsun> perhaps it's a test of HURD worthiness
[07:51] <tseng> perhaps it's a signal for you to use linux like everyone else
[07:52] <Kyral_FreeBSD> tseng: Where is the fun in that?
[07:52] <tseng> I don't know, getting the hardware support we have worked hard to win so far
[07:53] <tseng> not reinventing the wheel
[07:53] <Kyral_FreeBSD> hehe
[07:53] <Kyral_FreeBSD> The reason I am trying out HURD is the same reason I am trying out BSD
[07:53] <tseng> BSD actually works
[07:53] <Kyral_FreeBSD> :P
[07:53] <Spec> hehe
[07:54] <Kyral_FreeBSD> Its so I can learn about it and why its different than GNU/Linux
[07:55] <tseng> if you were trying to apply knowledge to the real world you would be better off with FreeBSD, Linux and Solaris or AIX
[07:55] <tseng> not HURD
[07:55] <tseng> but thats enough stop energy for one day
[07:57] <Tonio_> hi
[08:18] <swarog> hello
[08:20] <LaserJock> hello swarog
[08:21] <swarog> damn what a huge buglist :)
[08:21] <swarog> i guess bunch of work you have
[08:22] <crimsun> yeah, just wait til MoM starts churning.
[08:22] <crimsun> fun++
[08:33] <Amaranth> crimsun: That's when you hide and hope it all goes away. :)
[08:33] <tseng> or wait for dholbach
[08:34] <tseng> and bddebian
[08:34] <dholbach> where's the big buglist?
[08:35] <Kyral_FreeBSD> ...crap
[08:35] <Kyral_FreeBSD> HURD works...but only left me with ed as an editor
[08:36] <tseng> Kyral_FreeBSD: er.. vi?
[08:36] <Kyral_FreeBSD> tseng: not even
[08:36] <Kyral_FreeBSD> just plain ed
[08:36] <_ion> And what's wrong with ed? ;-)
[08:36] <Kyral_FreeBSD> I don't know how to use it :P
[08:37] <_ion> There's a good man page.
[08:38] <Kyral_FreeBSD> guess what
[08:38] <tseng> its fine unless you want to see what you are doing
[08:38] <Kyral_FreeBSD> man isn't installed
[08:42] <spacey> cat? less?
[08:42] <spacey> or do you want to edit:P
[08:44] <Kyral_FreeBSD> edit.. :P
[08:45] <_ion> cat >foo
[08:45] <_ion> ;-)
[08:47] <Kyral_FreeBSD> yah except you have to relize I am using a KVM switch right now and HURD freezes anytime I use anything other than the alphanumeric keys on the keyboard :P
[08:47] <Kyral_FreeBSD> If I jack a keyboard in directly it works however
[09:04] <sivang> so, the universe is now open in edgy?
[09:05] <tseng> no
[09:05] <tseng> if you upload it will be rejected
[09:05] <LaserJock> hmm, still?
[09:05] <tseng> yes still
[09:05] <tseng> we dont have a sane toolchain even
[09:06] <LaserJock> like that can stop us ;-)
[09:06] <sivang> ah, right, see Scott's email to u-devel about getting X and more basic tool chain before
[09:06] <LaserJock> I don't plan on doing anything until probably after Paris
[09:07] <sivang> makes sense :-)
[09:07] <LaserJock> what is the title of Scott's email?
[09:07] <tseng> Re: Accepted *
[09:08] <LaserJock> hmm, I'm feeling like I'
[09:08] <LaserJock> I'm missing emails
[09:11] <LaserJock> hmm, I didn't get those emails
[09:14] <LaserJock> well that's odd
[09:15] <LaserJock> I wonder if the department server is having issues
[09:15] <imbrandon> LaserJock: to sum it up, they all look similar to this  ......
[09:15] <imbrandon> This has also been rejected.
[09:15] <imbrandon> Guys, please don't upload to edgy just yet ... we've got a large dep
[09:15] <imbrandon> stack before X stuff is going to work
[09:15] <imbrandon> Scott
[09:15] <imbrandon> --
[09:15] <imbrandon> Scott James Remnant
[09:15] <imbrandon> scott@ubuntu.com
[09:15] <imbrandon> only given diffrent reasons ;)
[09:19] <LaserJock> imbrandon: yeah, i'm reading it on the archives for now, until my mail gets here :(
[09:20] <LaserJock> I wondered why I didn't have the usualy amount of mail this morning
[09:21] <crimsun> oh don't worry, I suspect you'll soon have a flood wrt "installing a compiler by default"
[09:24] <imbrandon> hahaha yea
[09:24] <imbrandon> is apt-get install build-essential that hard ?
[09:41] <LaserJock> hu theCore
[09:42] <Kyral_HURD> Jeez I better stop this before I get accused of cloning...
[09:42] <LaserJock> yeah, one is enough ;-)
[09:42] <Kyral_HURD> or 2...
[09:42] <theCore> bonjour LaserJock
[09:42] <Kyral_HURD> Jeez, where is bddebian when I need him...
[09:43] <LaserJock> probably breaking his Hurd too ;-)
[09:44] <Kyral_HURD> lol
[09:45] <tseng> LaserJock: what is the problem with just syncing latex from debian
[09:46] <LaserJock> somebody has to do it
[09:47] <tseng> I nominate you
[09:47] <LaserJock> so far I just haven't been worrying about the main packages since I figured there was a core-dev to take care of it
[09:48] <tseng> you thought wrong
[09:48] <tseng> there are only ~30 of us
[09:48] <LaserJock> sure, but there aren't *that* many Main packages ;-)
[09:48] <tseng> and we arent all as hyperactive as some motus
[09:48] <azeem> I don't think many more people work on SuSE or RedHat either
[09:49] <tseng> much more than on ubuntu main
[09:49] <azeem> well, packaging things I mean
[09:49] <azeem> plus you can sync a lot and don't need to do everything
[09:49] <lucas> are we free to start working on merges & syncs ?
[09:49] <lucas> or should we wait ?
[09:49] <tseng> wait.
[09:49] <lucas> ok
[09:50] <LaserJock> well, the specifc complaint was that a bug that Debian TeX considered RC took months to get fixed in Dapper (and ended up having to be done in -updates)
[09:50] <lucas> I don't think it's a good idea to exclude main packages from the scope of MOTU teams
[09:50] <lucas> many main packages are in main just because they are dependancies
[09:51] <LaserJock> the big issue comes after UVF and we stop automatically syncing
[09:51] <LaserJock> and nobody bothers to go back a see if a TeX sync is needed
[09:51] <tseng> it normally wouldnt be needed
[09:51] <LaserJock> we needed several this time
[09:51] <tseng> unless someone has a stick up their ass about one particular bug
[09:51] <LaserJock> since te move to 3.0
[09:52] <tseng> and if they dont make a fuss in ubuntu land
[09:52] <tseng> how could we know
[09:52] <lucas> not that many people used dapper before the release
[09:52] <tseng> it is nice to notify someone before you expect action
[09:52] <tseng> rather than criticize after the fact
[09:52] <lucas> so monitoring debian changes is still a good idea ...
[09:52] <tseng> it is
[09:52] <LaserJock> well, the specific bug was #36145 and it was know for a while
[09:52] <LaserJock> in Ubuntu
[09:52] <tseng> but it goes both ways
[09:53] <tseng> if they want to hold us to their bugs
[09:53] <tseng> they can participate
[09:53] <tseng> no?
[09:53] <LaserJock> well, I think their point is they fixed the bug on their end and they want Ubuntu to follow suit
[09:53] <bluefoxicy> tseng
[09:54] <tseng> yes?
[09:54] <LaserJock> but at certain times in the release cycle it just isn't very easy
[09:54] <bluefoxicy> who did you say I should talk to about gcc stack protection?
[09:54] <bluefoxicy> Trulux wants to know.
[09:54] <tseng> pitti is working on it
[09:54] <bluefoxicy> I thought you said another guy was working on hardened in ubuntu too
[09:54] <LaserJock> but bug #36145 did take some time
[09:54] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 36145 in tetex-base "hyphenation does not work after upgrade from breezy to dapper" [Medium,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/36145
[09:54] <tseng> Yagisan was
[09:54] <tseng> but pitti is working on it atm
[09:54] <bluefoxicy> thanks.
[09:54] <tseng> a few test packages
[09:55] <bluefoxicy> anyway don't let me interrupt.  :)
[09:55] <bluefoxicy> (by the by, why the hell is python apparently executing code in 'anon'?)
[09:55] <tseng> no idea
[09:56] <tseng> anyway my point is
[09:56] <tseng> if they are watching your package
[09:56] <tseng> and want you to sync fixes
[09:56] <tseng> they should tell you before, not after
[09:57] <tseng> does that make sense?
[09:57] <LaserJock> yeah
[09:57] <LaserJock> but in this case since there was a bug in our BTS
[09:57] <tseng> oh
[09:58] <LaserJock> and it looked like we just sat on it for a few months
[09:58] <tseng> and was it made clear that it was RC?
[09:58] <LaserJock> I'm not sure
[09:58] <LaserJock> take a look at it
[09:58] <tseng> meh
[09:58] <tseng> whatever
[09:59] <LaserJock> basically, it was reported on 3/23 and there was a fix reported the same day
[10:00] <LaserJock> and it took until 5/10 to get any dev response
[10:16] <LaserJock> hmm, all these "Reply-to-List" people must be using mutt, I've been searching for other mail clients that have that feature and I haven't found any yet
[10:19] <Erl[Work] > LaserJock: Kmail?
[10:21] <LaserJock> Erl[Work] : does it? interesting
[10:21] <LaserJock> I've never used it
[10:21] <Erl[Work] > Unless I'm mistaken about what you mean.
[10:21] <LaserJock> I tried Mail.app, Thunderbird, Opera, Gmail
[10:24] <nawty> hi, anyone know when the merge from debian into edgy?
[10:25] <LaserJock> nawty: probably a bit yet, I think they gotta get all the core stuff set up first
[10:28] <bluefoxicy> tseng:  discussion in #pax on oftc is bringing up ubuntu and how it doesn't play well with mprotect() restrictions
[10:28] <bluefoxicy> tseng:  as of breezy, running ubuntu with pax mprotect() is not feasible.  Can you be a dear and find out what these people broke?
[10:29] <bluefoxicy> this may be related to running code in anonymous mappings all over the place
[10:44] <nawty> LaserJock: ok, would there be an announcement?
[10:44] <LaserJock> nawty: I would guess so, probably on ubuntu-devel
[11:15] <bddebian> Heya gang
[11:16] <LaserJock> hi bddebian
[11:16] <bddebian> Heya LaserJock
[11:26] <LaserJock> bddebian: dude, I don't know that you should be hugging people in -devel ;-)
[11:27] <bddebian> Bah
[11:27] <zul> yeah i dont think people like to be hugged for some odd reason
[11:27] <LaserJock> only -motu and -bugs get bugs ;-)
[11:31] <bddebian> Should I kick him instead? :-)
[11:31] <zul> yeah i dont think you want to pss him off
[11:35] <Kyral_FreeBSD> bddebian!!
[11:35] <bddebian> zul: Why not?
[11:36] <bddebian> Heya Kyral
[11:36] <Kyral_FreeBSD> I got Hurd loaded :D
[11:36] <bddebian> Nice
[11:36] <Kyral_FreeBSD> I was on here with Irssi earlier :P
[11:36] <zul> bddebian: just a sneaky suspicion...
[11:38] <LaserJock> hehe, not the way to make core-dev :-)
[11:38] <zul> thats what i was thinking
[11:38] <bddebian> LaserJock: I didn't so, wtf :_)
[11:41] <imbrandon> when's egdy gonna let universe uploads  ......... *ducks and runs*    ..... just kiddin
[11:41] <tseng> ...
[11:41] <imbrandon> tseng: was just jokin
[11:41] <tseng> ARE WE THERE YET?
[11:41] <imbrandon> hehehe
[11:42] <tseng> you will see that in the topic in a few weeks
[11:42] <tseng> #ubuntu-devel
[11:42] <zul> how bout now?
[11:42] <imbrandon> she's pinching me ....... he's looking out my window .......
[11:43] <imbrandon> can i have a pony till we get universe opened totaly ? .... heheh
[11:44] <_ion> imbrandon: echo OPTIONS=pettype:pony >>~/.nethackrc
[11:44] <imbrandon> hahaha
[11:45] <imbrandon> s/:pony/:ponies/g
[11:45] <imbrandon> ;)
[11:46] <imbrandon> i'm greedy
[11:47] <_ion> s/:ponies/:a_freaking_herd_of_pink_unicorn_ponies/