=== RobinShepheard [n=robins@80-45-78-121.static.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #edubuntu [12:09] greetings all [12:09] nm === Kozuch [n=jan@159.108.broadband5.iol.cz] has joined #edubuntu === Kozuch [n=jan@159.108.broadband5.iol.cz] has joined #edubuntu === stevesmith [i=steve_@cpc2-cdif3-0-0-cust191.cdif.cable.ntl.com] has joined #edubuntu === stevesmith [i=steve_@cpc2-cdif3-0-0-cust191.cdif.cable.ntl.com] has left #edubuntu ["Leaving"] [01:19] hi RobinShepheard === HedgeMage peeks in [01:21] hi, all [01:23] hi HedgeMage === jane_ [n=JaneW@dsl-146-167-152.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu === P3L|C4N0 [n=sopmac@201.230.215.188] has joined #edubuntu === stevesmith [i=steve_@cpc2-cdif3-0-0-cust191.cdif.cable.ntl.com] has joined #edubuntu [02:11] Hi HedgeMage [02:19] ogra: CD diet, lol [02:21] :) [02:23] :) === opitwin [n=opitwin6@3639244858.mi.dial.123.net] has joined #edubuntu [02:53] How do the games work in Edubuntu? [02:54] Do they work good? [02:54] Are they good for kids? [02:54] Yes [02:54] bddebian: Do they have good graphical layout? [02:56] opitwin, just grab a liveCD and test it out ;) [02:57] ogra: hi [02:57] ogra: I'll do that [02:57] ogra: the setting of keyboards did work, so did the 'sesion' manager. Thx. [02:58] ogra: however, I have noticed this issue twice: [02:58] Clients do turn the server off :( [03:00] Heya ogra [03:00] mhz, yes, thats an xfce bug they didnt address for dapper [03:00] hi bddebian [03:01] ogra: hmmm, they were in gnome :( [03:01] oh, you mean, it overrides defaults? [03:07] ogra: Do you have a second for a /query? === arkan0x [n=arkan0x@pc-19-87-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #edubuntu === jinty [n=jinty@242.Red-83-49-54.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #edubuntu === mhz is now known as mhz_off === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #edubuntu === ubotu [n=blootbot@ubuntu/bot/ubotu] has joined #edubuntu === crimsun_ [i=crimsun@hacked.org] has joined #edubuntu === Amaranth [n=amaranth@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #edubuntu === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #edubuntu [05:36] ogra: those LTSP specs are looking nice! === arkan0x [n=arkan0x@pc-19-87-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu === arkan0x [n=arkan0x@pc-19-87-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu === yvesC [n=yves@zenobi.ycombe.net] has joined #edubuntu === cbx33 [n=pete@ubuntu/member/cbx33] has joined #edubuntu [07:08] wiki wiki wah, good mornin all [07:09] cbx33! [07:10] hey LaserJock [07:10] you're still awake? [07:10] for a sec [07:10] heheh [07:10] sorry about last night [07:10] it's really only 10:10 here [07:10] but the wife says it's time fore bed [07:11] I"m actually looking at gisomount [07:11] well that's what happened yesterday [07:11] :p [07:11] oooooh [07:11] looking good? [07:11] and reading pygtk tutorial [07:11] oh wow [07:11] excellent [07:12] well, I don't know any gtk so it's greek to me ;-) [07:12] i managed to package it up, so that it installs properly ;p [07:12] pygtk is EASY trust me [07:13] ther reference section of the docs [07:13] is particularly helpful [07:13] the most rouble Ive had so far was with the treeview widget in the info window [07:15] <-bed time [07:16] sorry, I'll talk to you in the morning [07:17] well, when the missus says jump [07:17] you gotta jump === jimjimovich2 [n=jimjimov@gate.spcu.atlant.ru] has joined #edubuntu === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #edubuntu === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #edubuntu === highvoltage [n=jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #edubuntu === mode/#edubuntu [+o highvoltage] by ChanServ === blue-frog [n=bluefrog@dyn-83-154-39-198.ppp.tiscali.fr] has joined #edubuntu === HedgeMage peeks in [09:22] (yep, crickets) [09:26] heh === HedgeMage watches t-bird recompile === HedgeMage watches her fingernails grow [09:30] thunderbird? === HedgeMage nods [09:33] (on my gentoo box) [09:33] my edubuntu lappy is in need of medical attention [09:37] thunderbird is in the top of my most hated apps (that i use) [09:37] lol [09:37] it has a few features I'm addicted to [09:44] I really need to start distributing these compiles over the network again [09:45] good ole ccache+distcc [09:46] :D [09:47] just a few more packages and I'm done... yay! === cbx33 [n=c2df514b@209.152.164.93] has joined #edubuntu [09:53] mornin all ! [09:53] hey, cbx33 [09:54] hey HedgeMage [09:54] cbx33: may I /msg you? [09:54] sure === Amaranth [n=amaranth@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #edubuntu === shankr [n=shanat@59.92.116.100] has joined #edubuntu === P3L|C4N0 [n=sopmac@200.106.9.59] has joined #edubuntu === RobinShepheard [n=robins@81.17.65.2] has joined #edubuntu === ubotu [n=blootbot@ubuntu/bot/ubotu] has joined #edubuntu === pygi [n=pygi@83-131-233-200.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu [10:26] mornin pygi [10:26] hey cbx33 [10:27] howz it going [10:27] when did you say the scp meet was? [10:29] cbx33, next week, not yet sure when [10:29] when would you like it to be be? === P3L|C4N0 [n=sopmac@200.106.9.59] has joined #edubuntu [10:30] are you good for 20:00 UTC ish? [10:30] that's good, what day? [10:30] hmmm dunno [10:30] We have cookbook stuff tuesday [10:31] right yes [10:31] what time? [10:31] 20:00 UTC :P [10:31] cool [10:31] i shuld be ok for those next week [10:31] hm, what about monday 20:00 UTC? [10:32] hmm....should be ok [10:32] oki :) [10:33] we'll see if ogra is av ailable for that to [10:34] indeed [10:47] cookbook stuff today? [10:47] uh [10:47] tuesday [10:48] yep, tuesday [10:48] pygi: you should announce that on list or something === HedgeMage seconds that [10:48] hey HedgeMage [10:48] its quite hard to stay involved without reading it on irc accidently [10:49] hi pygi [10:49] hey HedgeMage [10:50] hello all [10:50] hi RobinShepheard [10:50] spacey, I am not sure how will we go with this cookbook stuff, but sure, I'll announce [10:50] HedgeMage: Hiya [10:50] pygi: good thing you set the cookbook meeting for Tuesday, I'm going to be useless until then... had an urgent project come up [10:51] HedgeMage, no worries ;) === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #edubuntu [10:51] Anybody mind if I join you for the cookbook meeting [10:54] no sure [10:55] would be great RobinShepheard [10:56] what channel will the meeting be on?? [10:56] RobinShepheard, some which we'll create probably [10:57] ahh, will you let us know via this channel or will it be sent by email?? [10:57] email = dev list [10:57] RobinShepheard, mail [10:57] I'll be writing it now [10:57] cool, good enough [10:57] o yes, we have ubuntu-cookbook channel registered :) [10:58] cool [10:58] I can't join it here [10:58] but I can at home :p [10:58] just wanted to check as I have never work like this before, I am a bit of a newbie when ir comes to things like this [10:58] RobinShepheard: it's great working like this [10:58] :D [10:58] what was the overall feel [10:59] cbx33, we must get complete chapters layout at the meeting tuesday [10:59] from hte lug [10:59] pygi: i agree [10:59] and it's going to be bigger [10:59] MUCH bigger :p [10:59] cbx33, indeed, considering we are to publish it :P [10:59] i can see it [11:00] cbx33: well, most seemed to be fairly supportive in principal but no one really commited as yet as they thought we should try to tap mark shuttleworth/cononical first [11:00] of course [11:00] :/ [11:00] that's my next stop [11:00] now that the dapper frenzy has quietened down [11:00] raekism, this book is great accomplishment anyway [11:01] ergh, RobinShepheard * [11:01] I'll be finishing up the proposal [11:01] so its all about funding then eh? [11:01] jsgotangco, nothing is about funding [11:01] jsgotangco: mostly yeh [11:01] cbx33, ergh, why is that? [11:01] HAH [11:01] pygi: you lost me with the ergh [11:02] you don't need funding to publish just do it with lulu [11:02] sorry we're talking at cross purposes [11:02] jsgotangco: no we are on about the BETT2006 show [11:02] ahh that's different [11:02] 2007 :p [11:02] feel free to ask canonical for sponsorship =) [11:03] else we need to invent a time machine first [11:03] jsgotangco: that's the plan but we need a watertight proposal first [11:03] feel free to register the time machine product in LP [11:03] =) [11:08] what can I say, I am still lcaking in coffee this morning, got in the office and have been ponced upon, I shall be back in a mo, just going to get caffeine dose :) [11:09] night night all [11:09] ok [11:13] horayy another 4AM meeting for me [11:13] jsgotangco, hm? :) [11:13] the cookbook? [11:13] yes =_ [11:14] ah, sorry about that :-/ [11:18] no worries, I just say to myself i live in the wrong timezone [11:19] =) [11:19] sorry jsgotangco [11:19] I'm ok to reschedule [11:20] nah don't think about me === jsgotangco lives in the future [11:23] eh :-/ [11:23] cbx33, how's python? :) [11:24] HedgeMage: night night [11:30] pygi: Just got the emails with the meeting details in, cheers [11:32] pygi: really good [11:32] managed to get treeviews working [11:32] cbx33, congrats ;) [11:32] broke some functions out of some classes to neaten up today :D [11:33] yeh they're not too bad once you get to know them [11:33] pygi: can i ask you opinion [11:34] we want to make it so that when we click a button it opens the mounted folder in something like nautilius [11:34] but what if the user doesn't have nautilius [11:34] i know we're writing fro ubuntu but I'd like it to be portable [11:35] ergh, every gnome installation has nautilus? :) [11:35] yeh but what about kde users [11:36] well, you'll have a different UI for KDE,and you could add-in functionality needed for kde in backend [11:36] can kde not use gnome libs like gnome can with kde? [11:37] well, it can, but then it would mean you need gnome libs on KDE [11:37] not many people are willing to do that [11:37] right ok [11:42] talk to you later [11:42] thanks pygi [11:42] i was gonna put it in the packager that would do an auto config === P3L|C4N0 [n=sopmac@200.106.9.59] has joined #edubuntu === jinty [n=jinty@242.Red-83-49-54.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #edubuntu === pygi [n=pygi@83-131-229-8.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu === ogra_ibook [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #edubuntu === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #edubuntu [01:31] highvoltage, poke? :) === pygi [n=pygi@83-131-229-8.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu === irvin [n=irvin@ubuntu/member/irvin] has joined #edubuntu [01:41] highvoltage, you around? [01:42] pygi: yep [01:43] who's gonna implement that xfce for Edubuntu? [01:43] pygi, *somebody* :) [01:44] ogra, hehe, nice ;) [01:44] basicly, it needs to use existing package, and overwrite configuration with our custom one, right? [01:45] well, first we should decide if its feasable at all, then we need to look if we want xubuntu or just plain tweaked xfce ... [01:46] there are a lot of variables that first need the BOF discussion at the summit [01:46] Why not blackbox desktop? Even more lighter then xfce ;) [01:46] Yup, indeed [01:46] blackbox isn't developed upstream anymore [01:46] usually spces are not assigned to somebody for implementation before they are written :) [01:46] *specs [01:47] highvoltage, ergh, why is that :P [01:47] fluxbox isn't very intuitive, and would need plenty of plugins and work before being user friednly to the level that Xfce and Gnome are. [01:47] ogra, I saw a written spec, but yes, discussion is needed :) [01:47] we could switch ti ion3 [01:47] pygi, where on the wiki did you see such a spec ? [01:49] nowhere on wiki :) [01:49] you see :) [01:49] all we currently have are drafts and a summary on the spec tracker ... [01:50] hehe :) [01:50] the implementation details will be in the wikipage [01:50] 'fcorse, as always :) [01:50] and only if the wikipage got signed off by the reviewers we'll have a spec [01:51] after the summit we have a big pot full with specs that then get assigned to their implementers [01:51] (indeed if you propose a spec and work on it from the beginning its liekly that you also are the implementer) [01:52] but thats not mandatory === irvin [n=irvin@ubuntu/member/irvin] has joined #edubuntu === Hannes_ [i=hannes@dna252-174.satp.customers.dnainternet.fi] has joined #edubuntu === Hannes_ [i=hannes@dna252-174.satp.customers.dnainternet.fi] has left #edubuntu [] === Seveaz [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #edubuntu === Unki [n=unki@236-203-116-85.dsl.manitu.net] has joined #edubuntu === Unki [n=unki@236-203-116-85.dsl.manitu.net] has left #edubuntu ["Ex-Chat"] === Seveaz [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #edubuntu === JaneW [n=JaneW@dsl-146-167-152.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu === guim [n=glederer@104.241-200-80.adsl-fix.skynet.be] has joined #edubuntu === nikola-ppp [i=nikola-p@cmung3793.cmu.carnet.hr] has joined #edubuntu [03:03] ogra: who picks implementors? [03:05] last time assignment was done by mdz and JaneW for the specs that had no self appointed implementors [03:05] i see [03:05] and they'd pick on people they knew could do the task :p === yvesC [n=yves@zenobi.ycombe.net] has joined #edubuntu [03:05] cool [03:21] cbx33, you wanna implement something? :) === xdc [i=xtreme@88.222.99.100] has joined #edubuntu === xdc [i=xtreme@88.222.99.100] has left #edubuntu [] [03:26] pygi: I'd love to [03:26] but not sure I'm up to that level yet [03:26] I'll be helping all I can on scp though [03:26] ofcourse :) === jinty [n=jinty@242.Red-83-49-54.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #edubuntu [03:29] ogra is assignee on s-c-p spec :) [03:29] so he implements it, and we watch from side :0 [03:29] :) [03:29] :P [03:29] surely not [03:30] i'll maintain the branch, review the patches and might care for the packaging ... implementation can be done by others :) [03:31] ergh :P [03:31] ergh ? [03:31] nothing, don't worry :) [03:32] just say if you think something is wrong with that [03:32] just joking around while resting from that Diva stuff, no worries :) [03:32] oki :) [03:33] There is a release scheduled for today I think :P [03:33] :) [03:33] nice [03:34] ogra, about replacing kdeedu with gnome apps, can't we just find people willing to do some porting, or write some educational applications? [03:35] hmmm [03:35] I'm sure some people wil be willing to help out there [03:35] "some porting" [03:35] I'll do what I can [03:35] HA HA HA [03:35] ogra, just you laugh :) === cbx33 was thinking or writing some educational apps [03:35] did you ever prot a kde app to gnome ? [03:35] *port as well [03:35] once, yes :) [03:36] Not very big one tho :) [03:36] i think we wont get around rewrites ... [03:36] me either [03:36] but if there are apps with data (like a vocabulary trainer), we should reuse the data [03:36] of course [03:37] Agreed [03:37] (which again implies to have kdeedu langpacks) [03:37] hmm [03:38] KBruch wouldn't take much rewriting === DanielC [n=daniel@82.151.249.90.adsl.griffin.net.uk] has joined #edubuntu === Yagisan [n=jamie@60-240-85-239-nsw-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has joined #edubuntu [03:41] hey Yagisan [03:41] G'day cbx33 [03:42] Does anyone know of a web page explaining the difference between "virtual size" (memory) and "resident size"? Also an description of the stack vs data parts of VM, etc. I used to know this, but I studied it several years ago. [03:42] wikipedia? [03:42] tried that :( === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #edubuntu [03:43] DanielC: virtual size = how much ram the app allocated, resident size = how much its actually using (very simplified) === bddebian [n=bdefrees@mail.ottens.com] has joined #edubuntu [03:43] cbx33: did you ever run reportbug deng ? [03:44] I'll do it when I et home [03:44] playing doom II now [03:45] Howdy folks [03:45] G'day bddebian, jsgotangco [03:45] hiya bddebian [03:45] cbx33: nice isn't it :) [03:45] yeh [03:46] g'day mate [03:46] had a bit of a drama tonight [03:46] my daughters hand got caught in the lift doors at the train station [03:46] oh? [03:46] Heya Yagisan, cbx33, jsgotangco [03:46] oh no [03:46] is she ok? [03:46] had to force it open [03:47] Yagisan: So both VSZ and RSS cover both the stack and the application data? (e.g. if we're talking about firefox it'd include both Firefox itself and the HTML page you have in open). Right? [03:47] she got cut, and has a swollen hand, but I got there in time to prevent her fingers from being broken [03:47] DanielC: Has your machine stayed fix after a reboot?? [03:47] DanielC: yes [03:47] RobinShepheard: I haven't rebooted it, I should try that. [03:47] Yagisan: thanks === DanielC reboots his laptop [03:48] DanielC: no worries [03:48] phew...good going Yagisan [03:49] yeah, they are big heavy doors, and the gap is just big enough for a 2 year old to get her fingers in [03:49] she touched the door while it was moving, and it just sucked her hand straight in [03:49] Ugh :-( [03:50] Yagisan: She going to be alright? [03:50] I'll take her to the doctor tomorrow morning, but she seems ok. [03:51] It's amazing how strong a geek can be when they have to be [03:52] we use a variety of different video cards here ? [03:53] RobinShepheard: It doesn't work after a reboot. But running modprobe again fixes it. I guess I should add modprobe to one of the init scripts. Any idea which one? [03:54] I would appreciate some assistance. I'm trying to get some opengl info from a wide variety of cards for a project. [03:55] DanielC: If you add the pcmcia and pcmcia-core into /etc/modules they should load by default on boot [03:55] Yagisan: I have an ATI mobility 9000 [03:55] Yagisan: I'd help if I knew something [03:55] If you don't mind, could you run 'glxinfo -l > opengl.txt' and email or dcc it to me [03:55] what can I do [03:56] Us geeks have super powers === DanielC doesn't know what video card he has. [03:57] I have on-board video. [03:57] DanielC: doesn't matter. the command will identify it [03:57] Yagisan: what email address do you want it sent to?? [03:57] jamie_jones_au@yahoo.com.au [03:57] already sent === yvesC [n=yves@zenobi.ycombe.net] has joined #edubuntu [03:58] thanks guys. it will help tracking down many "graphics look strange" issues I'm working on [03:58] Yagisan: arrival imminent [03:59] sent another one too Yagisan [04:00] Yagisan: I just sent the results for my desktop and my laptop. [04:02] RobinShepheard: i see your post about AD authentication [04:02] excellent. thanks guys. a quick glance at some of the emails that have already arrived is very enlightening [04:03] mind if I use it as backup that AD authentication would be great for edgy [04:03] AD == Active Directory? If so, I would love to have that on Edubuntu LTSP. So that the students could access their Windows files from the Linux thin clients. [04:04] DanielC: I'm working on it [04:04] I have it working === jinty [n=jinty@242.Red-83-49-54.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #edubuntu [04:04] You rock man :) [04:04] but, not over graphical login [04:05] ah [04:05] there are some things that need ironing out [04:05] note that AD auth is a part of the network authentication SoC project [04:05] oh is it? [04:05] so we'll get it anyway from ubuntu [04:05] will it work with LTSP [04:05] that's my problem [04:05] why shouldnt it ? [04:05] well, actually I lie [04:05] I have it working on text mode [04:05] just people can't login via the gui [04:06] because as they are logging in, it's setting up their home dir to be the network share [04:06] so that even their linux home dir is stroed on the windows file server [04:06] but it's proving to have som dificulties, and I'm not sure why [04:06] but if it's an SoC project I'll wait and see what happens with that [04:06] authentication is EASY [04:06] well, i'm not sure the network auth spec covers mounting homedirs [04:06] it's home dir mapping that screws it up [04:07] for some reason, gnome just doesn't like it, I've forgotten a lot of what I did, but locking of files was a problem [04:08] gnome wanted to lock a file and you can't do that over smbfs/cifs [04:08] but i got round that, by making the lock file get stored on the local machine [04:08] but there was another issue [04:08] I'll look at it on monday and see if I can let you jknow what I did [04:09] tell your findings to ajmich, he's working on the SoC implementation [04:09] oh ok [04:09] i think Mithrandir is his mentor === jsgotangco peeks in [04:10] ok [04:12] cbx33: Putting /home/* in the Windows server would be a problem. It's not just Gnome. Firefox and OpenOffice will lock files (I think). [04:12] hmmm possibly [04:14] cbx33: you could possibly get round the locking, by using unix services under windows and share with nfs [04:14] homes shares over nfs are sound, I have used them here [04:15] but you must mount them with fstab [04:15] well , i say must it seemed to work best [04:15] hmmm [04:16] mqaybe I'll investigate that [04:16] I'll let you guys know what I find [04:16] on the whole though the authenticatino is weasy [04:16] see you guys soon === jsgotangco just discovered the wonder that is Amarula [04:21] sorry - had to run out. daughters hand was hurting again [04:22] damm === neurogeek [n=neurogee@201.248.239.219] has joined #edubuntu [04:22] I was about to say, IIRC samba supports locking [04:23] oh well. he'll be back later. hopefully I'll remember to tell him [04:24] Yagisan, I hope your daughter is all right :) [04:24] jsgotangco: so what is amarula?? [04:25] this wonderful liqueur from south africa [04:25] Yagisan: I must admit I thought it did as well, but I know nfs does [04:26] jsgotangco: bit tasty is it??? I have never gotten around to trying it [04:26] its has a hint of caramel [04:26] I seem to remeber someone mixing it with milk but not quite sure [04:27] *remember [04:27] doesnt it have enough cream already ? [04:27] its like bailey's but not that sweet [04:27] sounds pretty good to me === spacey likes kalua + vodka + milk + ice [04:28] pygi: thanks mate. she's going to sleep now, but her hand is a bit of a mess. it was her right hand, so when she tries to pick things up etc, she cries out in pain. [04:29] spacey: thank you, I thought I remembered someone mixing it with milk [04:29] Yagisan, ugh :( [04:29] RobinShepheard: i don't know amarula [04:29] what i descibed is called a "white russian". [04:30] Yagisan: poor kid, she has my sympathy [04:30] watch the movie "The Big Lebowski" and you will know :) [04:30] sorry my mistake spacey [04:30] RobinShepheard: when I last deployed it I'm sure samba did, but since then I've become an all Ubuntu shop (well mostly - some boxes run my custom Ubuntu work) [04:30] not paying enough attention [04:31] Yagisan: I am in the process of trying to get the authentication handled by our win2k3 servers as it will be easier to persuade people it is so little work to get into the local schools [04:32] Most of them have windows domains for authentication already, then just gradually move bits over a part at a time untill...... [04:32] all linux [04:33] ah, I'm smaller. I did the radical thing - wiped the lot [04:33] shoved debian on, then worked out what was missing [04:34] changed to ubuntu around hoary === Kozuch [n=jan@159.108.broadband5.iol.cz] has joined #edubuntu [04:41] Should I make the swap partition the first partition or the last? [04:44] DanielC: old (pre 1999) or new pc ? [04:44] new === dan_young [n=dyoung@fw12x.mesd.k12.or.us] has joined #edubuntu [04:45] put it in the middle [04:45] Ok. [04:45]