[12:04] <aboapri> konqueror and k-meleon both have that pre-loading feature that makes them fast to start.
[12:04] <Sethwm2> Can anyone see my text?
[12:04] <LinuxMonkey> yes
[12:05] <Sethwm2> Thanks.
[12:05] <aboapri> but k-meleon is gecko based, so I find it has a better compatibility rate than konqueror.
[12:05] <DrBair> aboapri: KHTML has its advantages too you know
[12:05] <DrBair> aboapri: and theres a project to integrate gecko into konqueror as well
[12:05] <KuLover> Anyone in here use an ATI X850 XT?
[12:05] <aboapri> Oh, I'm not dissing khtml, but I have had some incompatible web pages and crashes with konqueror.
[12:06] <edulix> hi
[12:06] <edulix> it's me or http://es.gizmodo.com/2006/06/08/uranium_jeans_tejanos_con_scro_1.html doesn't work well in konqueror?
[12:06] <aboapri> now here's a question, why does epiphany suck so bad?  that's gnome's biggest weakness I think.
[12:07] <chavo> edulix, seems to load fine here
[12:07] <mikedep333> aboapri: because everbody uses firefox anyweay
[12:07] <DrBair> aboapri: i never had any big problems with it back in my Gnome days. Nice and simple... almost too simple though
[12:07] <mikedep333> drblair: yes
[12:07] <mikedep333> simple
[12:07] <edulix> chavo: the same in firefox and konqueror?
[12:07] <mikedep333> that's what gnome is all about
[12:08] <LinuxMonkey> edulix: works fine for me too, try changing your browser identification
[12:08] <aboapri> no big problems, just ephiphany is slow and uncustomizable.
[12:08] <mikedep333> edulix: that page works fine in konqueror on dapper
[12:08] <chavo> edulix, looks the same in both
[12:08] <edulix> I'm using konqueror 3.5.3 in dapper
[12:08] <aboapri> firefox is great, but it's so frickin' bloated.
[12:08] <edulix> and yes, changing the browse identification worked
[12:08] <DrBair> edulix: do you have the correct video drivers going?
[12:09] <LinuxMonkey> :)
[12:09] <edulix> now changing back to previous works too
[12:09] <edulix> weird
[12:09] <LinuxMonkey> hehe had that happen to me on the wiki when editing thats how i knew that would work
[12:10] <mrmist> Any way to restart xgl without restarting x ?
[12:10] <aboapri> I love the slimmed down firefox you get with DSL or Puppy though.  anyone know how to get firefox installed like that on *ubuntu?  is that possible?
[12:10] <mrmist> sorry.. I need a way to TEST xgl, and it would be best not having to restart x all the time
[12:11] <haider> mrmist: dont think so
[12:11] <judgen> what is the advantages of k-merleon vs konq or mozilla?
[12:11] <distanceisdeath> hello, does anyone program using kate? or use kate at all?
[12:12] <mrmist> hmm
[12:12] <aboapri> k-meleon is slim and fast, very compatible, and very customizable.
[12:12] <ahmeni> distanceisdeath: I do, what's up?
[12:12] <mrmist> cant get it to work :(
[12:12] <distanceisdeath> ahmeni, python?
[12:12] <ahmeni> distanceisdeath: yup
[12:12] <judgen> distanceisdeath: use kwrite instead
[12:13] <distanceisdeath> ahmeni, when you use the for loop, it like boxes them up and tabs it for you.  i want to get rid of it. do you know how
[12:13] <aboapri> the closest thing I've found in linux is kazehakase.
[12:13] <judgen> aboapri: ok, but ff and konq is that too
[12:13] <distanceisdeath> judgen, i like the there is a built in terminal
[12:13] <eimajenthat> Howdy, anyone here familiar with old JetDirect's in LaserJet 4 Plus printers?
[12:14] <aboapri> it's basically a slimmed down firefox.
[12:14] <chavo> mrmist, you can rut it like this -> Xgl :1
[12:14] <aboapri> on my computer, firefox takes almost 10 seconds to start the first time....  that's too much bob!
[12:14] <chavo> mrmist, that'll load it into a small window on your desktop
[12:14] <judgen> aboapri: im usually not impressed with slimdowns.. as they offer (mostly) less functionality
[12:14] <judgen> aboapri: use konq then, its fast
[12:15] <aboapri> k-meleon offers more functionality, in my opinion.  if you use reactos, give it a whirl.
[12:15] <mrmist> chavo: yay :D It started
[12:15] <judgen> and if you really want that app you can always wine it
[12:15] <eimajenthat> it pings fine, but I can't get the web interface, and the printer finding programs in System Settings aren't finding it.
[12:15] <judgen> well im off too bed
[12:15] <judgen> cya
[12:15] <mikedep333> just so you guys know, ReactOS will be releasing a new version within a month or so
[12:15] <mrmist> chavo: It's just a emty screen though.... guess that's kinda' to expect :P
[12:15] <mrmist> hehe
[12:15] <mikedep333> .3, the networking release
[12:15] <mrmist> goodnight judgen
[12:15] <mikedep333> it will be a larger than usual improvement
[12:15] <LinuxMonkey> mikedep333:  so we still like kubuntu better :)
[12:16] <aboapri> bye judgen
[12:16] <chavo> mrmist, sure but you can run apps in it, just do DISPLAY=:1 xterm
[12:16] <mikedep333> I'm saying that you guys should wait for ROS to release .3 before you try out apps on it.
[12:16] <chavo> then launch what you want from the xterm there
[12:16] <distanceisdeath> k-meleon isnt that windows?
[12:16] <mrmist> chavo: How 'bout "compiz" ?
[12:16] <chavo> you can also use commandline switch to change the window size or make it fullscreen
[12:17] <ubuntu> hi
[12:17] <mrmist> chavo: Can I test it with the Xgl window ?
[12:17] <aboapri> yes, I was simply mentioning earlier that k-meleon is the app I miss most since switching to linux.
[12:17] <chavo> it's running in mine
[12:17] <distanceisdeath> is it for linux also?
[12:17] <mrmist> cool
[12:17] <aboapri> no linux version is unlikely.
[12:18] <distanceisdeath> okay
[12:18] <aboapri> it's heavily windows-optimized, that is part of why it is so fast I believe.
[12:18] <distanceisdeath> ahh
[12:18] <mikedep333> aboapri: k-meleon works pretty well on wine
[12:18] <mikedep333> http://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?versionId=1502
[12:18] <distanceisdeath> is t here any other good browsers? firefox doesnt play multimedia and konqueror is annoying
[12:19] <mikedep333> distanceisdeath: you need to add the mplayer plugin probably
[12:19] <aboapri> firefox does so play multimedia
[12:19] <mrmist> chavo: I'm able to start compiz in the window :) I've managed to run a xterm in there as well
[12:19] <distanceisdeath> it doesnt have sound for me
[12:19] <mikedep333> distanceisdeath: oh, grab opera
[12:19] <mikedep333> I think it is for ubuntu
[12:19] <mrmist> Any more functionality I can check ?
[12:19] <distanceisdeath> opera is on linux?
[12:19] <mikedep333> yes
[12:19] <distanceisdeath> thats cool
[12:20] <aboapri> yeah, I'm not going to do the wine thing....  I don't see how running a slimmed-down browser through a comptibility layer is logical.
[12:20] <chavo> mrmist, make sure gnome-window-decorator runs
[12:20] <mikedep333> aboapri: sometimes running apps on wine is faster than in windows
[12:20] <mikedep333> it's not that slow
[12:20] <mikedep333> and they work on integrating it with KDE
[12:20] <mikedep333> and gnome
[12:20] <mrmist> chavo: how do I start it ?
[12:20] <chavo> aah my keyboard is all messed up in the window
[12:21] <distanceisdeath> is opera in the multiverse, universe?
[12:21] <aboapri> interesting.  I would simply assume that it would lead to longer load times though at least.
[12:21] <aboapri> you got to get the .deb file off opera's website.
[12:21] <distanceisdeath> ahh okay
[12:21] <distanceisdeath> ahmeni, any luck?
[12:21] <aboapri> I am unimpressed with Opera, myself.
[12:21] <mrmist> chavo: er... it was not that way... hehe
[12:22] <distanceisdeath> i just want a fast browser
[12:22] <aboapri> Although I am impressed that they are porting it to wii....  I am so getting one of those.
[12:22] <distanceisdeath> with multimedia
[12:22] <distanceisdeath> i have a 360
[12:22] <aboapri> I think the best bet for fast browser with multimedia is konqueror.
[12:22] <erov> all you must do is install the multimedia plugin.. plays fine.. what's not working with you?
[12:22] <ahmeni> distanceisdeath: it's probably the Auto brackets setting under Editor->Editing
[12:22] <aboapri> I used to have a 360.  I sold it cause it is teh gay.
[12:23] <distanceisdeath> not sure..no sound, mplayer is installed and the video works but no sound
[12:23] <distanceisdeath> and purevolume sucks it up on firefox too
[12:23] <distanceisdeath> i just play halo
[12:23] <distanceisdeath> and halo is awesome
[12:23] <distanceisdeath> lemme try ahmeni
[12:23] <aboapri> the free60.org project had too many problems trying to get past the ridiculous amount of protection on it.
[12:23] <distanceisdeath> huh?
[12:24] <aboapri> also, I mainly just can't stand how loud the sucker is.  those 360s make a lot of noise.
[12:24] <distanceisdeath> mine doesnt
[12:24] <distanceisdeath> but i always have music blasting
[12:24] <aboapri> that's crap, they all make a lot of noise.  I know other people with them too.
[12:24] <distanceisdeath> the playstation 3's are destroy the competition so it doesnt really matter wii or 360
[12:25] <aboapri> they say ps3 is going to have linux pre-installed.  :)
[12:25] <aboapri> but it's also going to cost a small fortune.
[12:25] <erov> i was gonna say..
[12:25] <erov> :P
[12:25] <distanceisdeath> 600
[12:25] <aboapri> yeah, that is not a reasonable price for a game console, in my opinion.
[12:25] <distanceisdeath> well, if they are gonna try to band homebrew that would be so gay
[12:25] <distanceisdeath> like they do on the psp
[12:26] <distanceisdeath> ahmeni, where is the editor option?
[12:26] <DrBair> if i did anything, id go for the wii. the 360 and ps3 are too expensive for my tastes
[12:26] <aboapri> then again, I'm a lower class blue collar worker, so I don't have a large disposable income.
[12:26] <distanceisdeath> im fourteen
[12:26] <h3sp4wn> Nintendo is the best games always has been always will be
[12:26] <mrmist> chavo: how do I start the decorator ?
[12:26] <distanceisdeath> hespawn, no
[12:26] <ahmeni> distanceisdeath: Settings->Configure Kate, then the Editor-Editing section along the left
[12:26] <erov> yes.
[12:26] <chavo> mrmist, DISPLAY=:1 gnome-window-decorator
[12:27] <DrBair> anyone know how to probe a device attached to a serial port?
[12:27] <erov> *fires up the SNES emulator* ;)
[12:27] <DrBair> grab some device info or something
[12:27] <distanceisdeath> haha
[12:27] <distanceisdeath> ahmeni, what do i uncheck/check
[12:27] <leafw> is there any way in kmail to search for a particular field, not just on the subject field?
[12:28] <ahmeni> distanceisdeath: unchecking Auto Brackets should do the trick
[12:28] <mrmist> chavo: Nothing happens
[12:28] <distanceisdeath> it was already unchecked?
[12:28] <aboapri> I love my ps2.
[12:29] <DrBair> leafw: yes
[12:29] <aboapri> crazy taxi, and katamari damacy, that's really all I need.
[12:29] <distanceisdeath> ps2 is final fantasy
[12:29] <DrBair> leafw: edit -> find messages
[12:29] <aboapri> I liked final fantasy x.
[12:29] <distanceisdeath> yeah
[12:29] <aboapri> x-2 was gay though.
[12:29] <leafw> DrBair : I just realized. Thanks.
[12:29] <distanceisdeath> x was the best NEW one
[12:29] <distanceisdeath> ever played 7 or 8?
[12:30] <h3sp4wn> distanceisdeath: any final fantasy after VI (ok 7 was ok) is no where near as good
[12:30] <aboapri> and xii, I played the demo, it looks pretty lame to me.
[12:30] <kunjan> anyone know how to make .torrents in dapper?
[12:30] <aboapri> x was the only final fantasy I really liked.
[12:30] <distanceisdeath> i dont play the new ones
[12:30] <aboapri> the skill system and combat system gave an interesting element of strategy.
[12:30] <distanceisdeath> kunjan, do you have ktorrent?
[12:30] <distanceisdeath> yeah, i liked the graphics
[12:30] <kunjan> distanceisdeath: umm  from the command line?
[12:31] <aboapri> graphics schmaphics.
[12:31] <distanceisdeath> look in your internet from the drop down applications
[12:31] <aboapri> one of my favourite games is my activision classics collection.
[12:31] <distanceisdeath> im just saying the graphics were good
[12:32] <kunjan> distanceisdeath: cant see anything.. .it has to be from the command line tho.. going to be part of a script
[12:32] <aboapri> graphics are overrated.
[12:32] <aboapri> I miss the cga days.
[12:32] <kkathman> overrated?
[12:32] <kkathman> hehe
[12:32] <jbirdAngel> its legal to run quicktime on linux, is it legal to use non quicktime programs to run quicktime media on linux?
[12:32] <aboapri> black, white, cyan, and magenta...  who needs more colours than that?
[12:32] <distanceisdeath> kunjan, its in my list.  try ktorrent in the command line, not sure though
[12:33] <kkathman> aboapri: well we could all go back to green screens :)
[12:33] <drbeams> i need a utility that will scan the network and let me see host names, ip address and thier coresponding mac addresses
[12:33] <h3sp4wn> The green screens were usually hercules
[12:33] <drbeams> and dump to a text file
[12:33] <distanceisdeath> i never played any of the black and whites, ataris, nes and some snes
[12:33] <aboapri> or orange.  ;)
[12:33] <aboapri> I had an orange screen with a hercules graphics card.
[12:33] <DrBair> jbirdAngel: afaik yes, but ianal
[12:34] <jbirdAngel> DrBair: what does the last word you said mean
[12:34] <jbirdAngel> youa re not a lawyer?
[12:34] <drbeams> I am not a Layer
[12:34] <drbeams> er loser
[12:34] <drbeams> or er lawyer
[12:34] <drbeams> :-)
[12:34] <kkathman> lol
[12:34] <aboapri> what is fun, is if you have one of those old monochrome monitors with composite video in...  you can watch dvds on it.  :))
[12:34] <jbirdAngel> okay thanks
[12:34] <distanceisdeath> haha
[12:35] <distanceisdeath> ahmeni, thanks
[12:35] <ahmeni> did it work?
[12:36] <distanceisdeath> i reduced the 8 to 0
[12:36] <h3sp4wn> aboapri: You use aaxine  for xine to watch films pi looks pretty good in it (you still see the patterns)
[12:36] <JasonL> gah
[12:36] <JasonL> what is meant to happen when you click logout>end current session
[12:36] <aboapri> I also miss my mac plus.  system 6 is by far the best version of macos.
[12:36] <h3sp4wn> aboapri: But the film is converted to ascii
[12:36] <aboapri> yeah...  I love aalib.  :)  libcaca is also cool.  ;)
[12:37] <distanceisdeath> im getting a mac mini soon, should i dual boot?
[12:37] <distanceisdeath> :)
[12:37] <kkathman> JasonL:  just what it says :)
[12:37] <JasonL> no, seriously, what happens?
[12:37] <kkathman> JasonL:  it should take you back to the logon splash
[12:37] <h3sp4wn> what does libcaca do ?
[12:37] <JasonL> mine doesnt
[12:37] <aboapri> libcaca is colour version of aalib.
[12:37] <JasonL> mine takes me to usplash where it hangs for a while, ends all processes and restarts my pc
[12:37] <h3sp4wn> can it be used from the console ?
[12:38] <kkathman> JasonL:  you are talking about the K-menu, Logout?
[12:38] <aboapri> kinda reminds you of the ANSI bbs days....
[12:38] <JasonL> yes
[12:38] <aboapri> console?  I dunno, I would assume yes.
[12:38] <aboapri> I always used it from VLC.
[12:38] <JasonL> where you have "End current session" "restart" and "turn off"
[12:38] <kkathman> JasonL:  yes it should just log you off your session and take you back to usplash and allow you to login to another session if you wish
[12:38] <h3sp4wn> aboapri: I was looking for a console media player found aaxine by accident
[12:39] <kkathman> JasonL:  if you choose that option that is
[12:39] <JasonL> ok, is usplash where kde is started or the very simple kubuntu logo with the white text under it where processes are started?
[12:39] <distanceisdeath> bbl bye
[12:39] <Mongey> who has themed kde here? any tips?
[12:39] <kkathman> JasonL:  there should be a splash that allows you to enter your name and password
[12:39] <JasonL> no
[12:39] <aboapri> google for libcaca, I don't use the console much, because frankly, I am not well enough acquainted with linux yet.
[12:39] <kkathman> hmm
[12:39] <kkathman> well there is on mine ;)
[12:39] <JasonL> i get taking to the splash that appears before that on boot
[12:40] <JasonL> and it takes ages for it to end processess and restart
[12:40] <kkathman> hmm thats not right I dont think
[12:40] <JasonL> =( i guessed that
[12:40] <JasonL> but how to fix it
[12:40] <kkathman> now thats a good question :)
[12:40] <JasonL> could it be an acpi problem?
[12:41] <h3sp4wn> JasonL: If you are using fglrx it happens often (not shutting down properly)
[12:41] <LeeJunFan> uh, is it just me or did kopete lose the ability to go invisible to certain users with kde 3.4.3?
[12:41] <JasonL> fglrx?
[12:41] <mluser-work> Does anyone know which repo has skype?
[12:41] <JasonL> and I have only just install Kubuntu
[12:41] <kkathman> !info skype
[12:41] <h3sp4wn> JasonL: Ati binary driverfs
[12:41] <aboapri> easy ubuntu will install skype for you.
[12:41] <kkathman> hmm
[12:41] <JasonL> i restarted from live, cam here, and tried end session...
[12:41] <JasonL> i have a ati card
[12:42] <kkathman> oh wait
[12:42] <h3sp4wn> Did you install the binary drivers though ?
[12:42] <JasonL> i have not installed anything
[12:42] <kkathman> skype is now owned by Mdollar so it wont be in the repos
[12:42] <JasonL> im fresh from the live cd
[12:42] <kkathman> right?
[12:42] <JasonL> apart from the end session i did
[12:42] <mluser-work> hmmm
[12:43] <JasonL> its annoying me alot
[12:43] <JasonL> and i would like to fix it asap
[12:46] <Hawkeye> JasonL, can i help you?
[12:46] <JasonL> you tell me =P
[12:46] <JasonL> when i end current session i am taken to usplash and my pc restarts
[12:46] <Hawkeye> what model of ati video card you have?
[12:47] <JasonL> radeon 9550
[12:47] <Hawkeye> you cannot start kde, is right?
[12:47] <aboapri> that's the same model I have.  that card sucks.
[12:47] <Hawkeye> the ati video card are not best for linux :-(
[12:48] <aboapri> it even sucked under windows.
[12:48] <JasonL> i know this now =P
[12:48] <JasonL> im in kde now
[12:48] <aboapri> for some reason, windows or linux....  always detect it as 9600
[12:48] <ron_> when i go to adept and try to install sun-java5-bin, it downloads fine but i get an error when it tries to install.  anyone know how i can get it to install??
[12:48] <JasonL> its just when i try and end current session
[12:48] <aboapri> under windows, that made it slow as hell until you manually installed the 9550 drivers.
[12:48] <isaid> alguien me puede ayudar a cofiguara kubuntu
[12:49] <Hawkeye> JasonL, have you tried to download official driver for linux from ati website?
[12:49] <YazzY> hi guys
[12:49] <JasonL> no
[12:50] <JasonL> should I?? I had no problems with breezy
[12:50] <slow-motion> n8
[12:50] <aboapri> the standard "ati" driver works best for me.
[12:50] <YazzY> I have a kinda unusual problem with sound on my system. I had it working after initial installation of breezy but it stoped working when i upgraded to dapper.
[12:50] <Hawkeye> iif you no have problem, no
[12:51] <YazzY> i can play the sound files but nothing comes out from the speakers (which are ok since they worked before and work fine in windows now as well)
[12:51] <YazzY> any slightest idea what can be causing my problem?
[12:52] <aboapri> I had a bunch of problems when I upgraded.  Have you tried doing a clean install?
[12:52] <YazzY> aboapri: no
[12:52] <YazzY> and i am not intending either after hours of customization
[12:54] <YazzY> there must be some other way to fix this issue
[12:55] <aboapri> oh, re-installing the OS is pretty much my cure-all for any problems I ever have.
[12:57] <Mongey> !ksmoothdock
[12:57] <ubotu> Bugger all, I dunno. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, Mongey
[12:57] <Mongey> :(
[12:57] <aboapri> that and beer.
[12:57] <Mongey> how do i get ksmoothdock to run
[12:58] <YazzY> aboapri: that's what the less knowledgable do
[12:58] <aboapri> well, that's me.
[12:58] <YazzY> hm, must be something in the device naming, my printer was /dev/usb/lp0 before and now it's /dev/usblp0
[01:00] <LeeJunFan> Riddell: you around? If so is has kopete been modified for simplicity?
[01:00] <Riddell> LeeJunFan: it's not been touched
[01:00] <Riddell> oh, tabs by default
[01:01] <LeeJunFan> Riddell: hrm, in the 3.4.3 I can't go invisible or always visible to people. Only my overall status. I just compiled myself and I can.
[01:01] <Riddell> use 3.5.3?
[01:02] <LeeJunFan> oops, yeah, that's what I meant.
[01:02] <LeeJunFan> Riddell: that's ICQ protocol btw. I haven't really looked with other protos.
[01:03] <Riddell> ICQ in kopete is always broken
[01:05] <LeeJunFan> Riddell: well anyway, no real biggie, it's just that it worked before when I was compiling from svn pre .12, and then didn't when I upgraded to 3.5.3, then worked again when I compiled from svn again.
[01:05] <kkathman> cant the koffice 1.5 suite use the msttcorefonts??
[01:05] <LeeJunFan> Riddell: I was afraid it had been moddified to be like that on purpose.
[01:05] <kkathman> I installed them, but they dont show up in koffice :(
[01:05] <kkathman> maybe only oo2?
[01:06] <fatejudger> I think that the atheros drivers are preventing me from using ndiswrapper, despite the fact that I disabled the interface using them
[01:06] <fatejudger> could there be anything else that's conflicting with it?
[01:06] <fatejudger> because I can't seem to get ndiswrapper's interface to show up
[01:06] <LeeJunFan> Riddell: thanks for clarifying. :)
[01:06] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: Why are you using ndiswrapper with atheros ?
[01:06] <fatejudger> I'd rather not use atheros
[01:07] <fatejudger> the drivers are crappier
[01:07] <h3sp4wn> Than the windows drivers ?
[01:07] <fatejudger> no offense to the atheros devels, but they're reverse engineering proprietary tech
[01:07] <fatejudger> it just isn't going to work as well
[01:07] <h3sp4wn> No they are not madwifi is totally open source
[01:07] <fatejudger> I know it is
[01:08] <h3sp4wn> the only non free part is ath_hal atheros pay someone to write them
[01:08] <_vladi_> hey, anyone here know how to pick which version of java I want to use? I know there is a command for it but I cant seem to find what that command is
[01:08] <fatejudger> but they don't have access or know about any proprietary features that are used on certain cards
[01:08] <h3sp4wn> Yes they do
[01:08] <fatejudger> atheros is great, but I'm tired of going out in my living room and having my connection drop
[01:08] <fatejudger> when I know that the Windows drivers don't do that
[01:08] <h3sp4wn> have you tried madwifi-ng ?
[01:09] <h3sp4wn> Are you using network manager ?
[01:09] <fatejudger> the problem is that my router uses the atheros super G tech
[01:09] <fatejudger> yes, I am
[01:09] <fatejudger> which is part of the reason it's getting so damn complicated
[01:09] <h3sp4wn> The atheros drivers in dapper do not support network manager properly
[01:09] <Sanne> _vladi_, I belive it is: sudo update-alternatives --config java
[01:09] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: well another reason to use ndiswrapper then
[01:10] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: madwifi-ng does
[01:10] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: Including super g
[01:10] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: why would it be able to connect and work, but not as well as the windows drivers without madwifi-ng?
[01:11] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: where is madwifi-ng located?
[01:11] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: it's not in universe
[01:11] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: Because madwifi-old (one in ubuntu) does not support scanning an active interface whilst it is up fully hence the connection drops often
[01:11] <_vladi_> Sanne: yes thats exactly it, thanks
[01:12] <Sanne> _vladi_, you're welcome
[01:12] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: okay, so I need to get the new madwifi packages?
[01:12] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: You need to compile them
[01:13] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: damn, okay
[01:13] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: don't you have to compile those things against that kernel?
[01:13] <distanceisdeath> whats madwifi, again?
[01:13] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: http://snapshots.madwifi.org/madwifi-ng-current.tar.gz
[01:13] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: kernel headers should be enough
[01:14] <fatejudger> what package does it replace?
[01:14] <fatejudger> and hasn't someone compiled a deb for the latest kernel?
[01:14] <h3sp4wn> madwifi-old is integrated into the ubuntu kernel
[01:15] <h3sp4wn> edgy will probably use madwifi-ng
[01:15] <fatejudger> lol
[01:15] <fatejudger> well what am I supposed to do?
[01:15] <_vladi_> anyway to install the eclipse package without installing the gnu java bytecode interpreter?
[01:15] <fatejudger> it sounds like it would be far easier to use ndiswrapper
[01:15] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: blacklist the old modules
[01:16] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: all you need to do is tar xvzf madwifi-ng-current.tar.gz then then run make and make install
[01:16] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: I know how to compile it
[01:16] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: but I need to know how to disable the other one
[01:16] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: if it's in the kernel, I can't just remove a package
[01:18] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: It would be installed to a different location
[01:18] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: so how to do I go about disabling the old madwifi then?
[01:18] <_vladi_> is there something buggy with the eclipse packages? they require me to install mozilla-browser as well as the gnu java bytecode interpreter (when i alreayd have the sun jdk installed)
[01:19] <fatejudger> there's an eclipse package?
[01:20] <fatejudger> what's the point of using a Java IDE without Matisse
[01:20] <fatejudger> you might as well use KDevelop or Kate
[01:20] <_vladi_> what is Matisse?
[01:20] <ChefWill> anyone use network-manager know how i can setup a network that is "Hidden" from public view to be displayed in the menu and preferences saved so id ont have to re-renter the info and pass each time?
[01:20] <Hikaru79> _vladi_: it's a GUI editor built into Netbeans. Very powerful.
[01:21] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: if I "make install" is it just going to overwrite the old madwifi stuff?
[01:21] <_vladi_> ok sure, but i've built huge java programs before just with eclipse and its been fine
[01:21] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: No it will install them to a different location
[01:21] <ron_> can anyone tell me how to install sun's jre?  adept always fails in the install process
[01:21] <fatejudger> Matisse isn't anything special, it just uses the grabbaglayout or whatever the hell it's called
[01:21] <_vladi_> gridbaglayour
[01:21] <_vladi_> yea i can write all that manually, its not a problem
[01:22] <fatejudger> QT's GUI development IDE is far more mature
[01:22] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: You need to add some stuff to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist but I am trying to find the correct thing (I use 2.6.16)
[01:22] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: I hear that kernel is much better
[01:23] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: I am using it with madwifi-ng , fglrx doesn't crash on reboot anymore and I have the realtime preempt patches on it its working well
[01:23] <_vladi_> has anyone used KDevelop before? is it any good?
[01:23] <_vladi_> i might just give it a go
[01:24] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: the madwifi installer is asking me whether I'd like to remove my old madwifi modules
[01:24] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: should I just trust it to do it right?
[01:24] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: I would say so
[01:25] <Kadran> is the amd64 version of kubuntu works for intel 64 or it is only for amd?
[01:25] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: (even with old madwifi you can get turbo mode using iwpriv ath0 turbo 1 iwpriv ath0 xr 1 iwpriv ath0 burst 1 (It has all the features its just network manager doesn't support them)
[01:26] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: damn, it didn't work
[01:26] <_vladi_> Kadran: virtually everything that works for amd64 will work for intel64
[01:26] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: it tried to install the package but it wouldn't let it since linux-image-2.6.15 conflicted with it
[01:26] <Kadran> _vladi_: thanks
[01:26] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: so much for that idea...
[01:26] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: Try running make uninstall from that directory
[01:27] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: Where you using checkinstall to make the package ?
[01:27] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: lol, yes, I just did a make install instead
[01:27] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: I'm obsessive about having everything packaged
[01:27] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: so how will I know that everything works?
[01:28] <h3sp4wn> iwlist scan ath0 will look like this http://pastebin.com/768658
[01:29] <KuLover> How can I configure flash to work with a compiled version of firefox, as opposed to the version in the repos
[01:29] <aboapri> what's ath0?
[01:29] <aboapri> lol, I remember it being the off-hook command for modems.
[01:30] <umberleigh> hey. is there any easy way of editing the contents of a data dvd+rw disc in k3b? at the moment i'm having to copy the disc's contents to my hard drive, edit, then overwrite the whole disc.
[01:30] <Sanne> KuLover, I'm just putting the plugin files into ~/.mozilla/plugins/
[01:31] <KuLover> And it works that way?
[01:31] <Sanne> KuLover, for me it does. The files for flash are named here: flashplayer.xpt and libflashplayer.so
[01:32] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: You will need network manager to use the wext extensions instead of madwifi which is built against madwifi-old (unless you want to rebuild wpa_supplicant which is a pain)
[01:32] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: how can I enable the "super g" speeds?
[01:32] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: wext?
[01:33] <mrmist> my screen gets all messed up during boot
[01:33] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: Generic linux wireless extentions
[01:33] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: All the drivers should be using it eventually
[01:33] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: iwpriv ath0 turbo 1
[01:34] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: iwpriv ath0 xr 1
[01:34] <h3sp4wn> iwpriv ath0 burst 1
[01:34] <h3sp4wn> (dunno how do do that with network manager
[01:35] <KuLover> Thanks so much, Sanne
[01:35] <Sanne> KuLover, you're welcome :)
[01:36] <mrmist> Anyone else but me experienced that the boot-up status-screen gets seriously messed up ?
[01:36] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: so I'm pretty much stuck with the old madwifi stuff if I use network manager?
[01:36] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: No
[01:37] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: I just don't know exactly how it deals with it
[01:37] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: I take it you don't use network manager
[01:38] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: I just set my wireless stuff in /etc/network/interfaces
[01:38] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: any ideas on how to get it working with network manager?
[01:39] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: Just try it I think it will probably try wext by default
[01:39] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: I did, it can't communicated with the card
[01:39] <fatejudger> *communicate
[01:39] <fatejudger> Interface doesn't accept private ioctl...
[01:39] <fatejudger> turbo (8BE0): No such device or address
[01:39] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: Has the machine been rebooted ?
[01:40] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: can you do iwlist ath0 scan ?
[01:40] <fatejudger> no, it hasn't been rebooted
[01:40] <fatejudger> and yes, I can do the scan
[01:40] <fatejudger> maybe I ought to reboot it then
[01:40] <h3sp4wn> does it appear in the same format as mine before ?
[01:40] <fatejudger> well not exactly, you have security enabled
[01:40] <h3sp4wn> Or is there less text ?(the old way)
[01:41] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: the format looks very similar to yours
[01:41] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: if you want I can pastebin it
[01:41] <h3sp4wn> ok
[01:41] <fatejudger> http://pastebin.com/768738
[01:42] <h3sp4wn> (It probably would be best to reboot though)
[01:42] <h3sp4wn> That is the new driver though
[01:42] <ChefWill> u
[01:42] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: alright, let me reboot
[01:49] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: I restarted but the hardware wouldn't load
[01:49] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: I think that ndiswrapper might be conflicting with the atheros drivers
[01:49] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: so iwlist scan ath0 did nothing ?
[01:50] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: I can't connect to the internet
[01:50] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: I'm on my desktop now
[01:50] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: it refuses to connect to my AP now
[01:53] <trip> Any of ya know of a way to work with .daa files from linux?
[01:54] <Mongey> thunderbird is nowhere tobe found
[01:54] <Mongey> how do i run it?
[01:54] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: Add ndiswrapper to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
[01:55] <darkseed> how do i fix nvidia screen freeze ive tried everything? please help!!!
[01:56] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: Can you connect to the network with iwconfig
[01:56] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: honestly, I didn't try
[01:56] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: I figured that network manager did its best
[01:56] <fatejudger> heh
[01:57] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: ok, when booting Kubuntu it stops at "Loading hardware drivers"
[01:57] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: this happened before I blacklisted ndiswrapper as well
[01:58] <danial> Hello
[01:58] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: I just figured that ndis and atheros were conflicting
[01:58] <danial> I am having some problems with DNS lookup on my ubuntu system
[01:58] <danial> this problem just popped up a few days ago
[01:58] <ljl> danial: i have DNS problems too. what's the problem precisely?
[01:59] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: wait until it comes up and then do /sbin/ifconfig -a (see if ath0 is there)
[02:00] <danial> Whenever I change domains, it takes a good while
[02:00] <ljl> hm different from my problem then. i simply can't get a DNS server to stay set up
[02:00] <danial> mine will connect, but it takes around 10 seconds
[02:01] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: ath0 is there, but so it wifi0_ifr
[02:01] <fatejudger> *is
[02:02] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: Thats normal wifi0 is for wext
[02:02] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: then why does it not boot up correctly?
[02:02] <scast> where i configure the network in kubuntu?
[02:03] <ljl> scast: K / System Settings / Network Settings
[02:03] <ljl> if you're lucky
[02:03] <kkathman> yeah be careful :)
[02:03] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: Sometimes it stops at the restricted modules part when its checking disks for me
[02:03] <kkathman> if you have both gnome and kubuntu installed...use sudo network-admin instead
[02:03] <ljl> ... /etc/network/interfaces if you're less lucky, and just bang your head against a wall if you're even less lucky ;)
[02:03] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: well then why isn't it connecting to my AP?
[02:04] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: let me try to do it manually
[02:04] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: try removing usplash and quiet from the kernel line in menu.lst and rebooting it again (more verbose information)
[02:05] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: nothing comes of doing it manually
[02:05] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: the cards acts as though it can't connect to any APs
[02:06] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: sudo ifconfig ath0 up
[02:06] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: let me restart with verbose
[02:06] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: yes, I tried that
[02:06] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: iwlist scan ath0
[02:07] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: it says it's connected to my AP
[02:07] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: at least on the iwlist scan ath0 command
[02:08] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: just run sudo dhclient ath0
[02:08] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: tried that already
[02:08] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: ifconfig doesn't say it's connected to an AP either
[02:08] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: just the iwlist scan ath0 command
[02:08] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: It could be network manager interferring
[02:09] <fatejudger> I guess I could kill network manager
[02:09] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: The iwlist implies the driver is working
[02:09] <fatejudger> should I try that and test it again?
[02:09] <gurumeditationer> is there a smart reason that the gcc packages don't make /usr/bin symlinks?
[02:10] <ljl> gurumeditationer: you mean the ones older than version 4?
[02:10] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: I would say so the vebose output would also be useful
[02:10] <gurumeditationer> gcc-4.0 was the first one I installed
[02:11] <gurumeditationer> "gcc" on the command line did nothing so I installed gcc
[02:11] <gurumeditationer> s/Installed gcc/Installed the gcc package
[02:11] <LjL> gurumeditationer: and that worked? (it should)
[02:11] <gurumeditationer> Nope
[02:12] <LjL> gurumeditationer: fact is, you might want to have several versions of GCC installed at the same times. so if you install a specific version (i.e. not just the package "gcc"), you won't get a symlink so that it doesn't conflict with the main version
[02:12] <LjL> though it's strange that the "gcc" package didn't create the symlink
[02:13] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: okay, I just tried disabling network manager and manually enabling
[02:13] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: same thing happens
[02:13] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: iwlist works
[02:13] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: iwconfig says that I knows I want to connect to my AP, but it isn't connected
[02:13] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: and ifconfig thinks the interface isn't connected at all
[02:14] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: I'm going to restart with verbose
[02:14] <h3sp4wn> ok
[02:15] <eimajenthat> hey, I'm having trouble with the ole nvidia kernel module
[02:16] <eimajenthat> Apparently I've been running the nv driver, but I switched my xorg.conf for one I used on this computer before, and that one uses the nvidia driver
[02:17] <eimajenthat> I have the package installed for the nvidia driver, but I get an error when I try to startx
[02:17] <gurumeditationer> did you install the nvidia-glx package?
[02:17] <eimajenthat> If someone can remind me where xorg logfiles live, I'll pastebin it
[02:17] <eimajenthat> yeah, that's the one
[02:17] <eimajenthat> I've had it installed for a long time
[02:18] <LjL> eimajenthat: /var/log/Xorg.*
[02:18] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: no errors are apparent, but it does stop while loading "wifi0"
[02:18] <eimajenthat> and it's currently installed, and up to date
[02:18] <danial> this whole DNS thing is a real pain
[02:18] <LjL> danial: for all i'm concerned, i used to find it way nicer when i could just spit an IP address into /etc/resolv.conf =)
[02:20] <Kadran> hi, i have two hd one with kubuntu (ext3) then i installed winxp (ntfs) after, and i can't add windws in the grub menu, any help?
[02:20] <henrique> my Compaq V2000 doesn't see my pendrive, what's happening?
[02:20] <NthDegree> henrique just mount it
[02:21] <henrique> i already tried
[02:21] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: We just need to find how to tell network manager to use wext
[02:21] <gurumeditationer> Kadran: Have a look in /boot/grub/menu.lst, there should be a commented out example
[02:21] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: why is it having trouble loading the drivers at boot though?
[02:21] <henrique> by konsole i can see the files
[02:22] <danial> I wasn't even sure what the problem was untill I noticed that "Looking up [address] " in firefox's status bar
[02:22] <danial> But It made sense because pings where showing up fine, but taking a long time to run
[02:22] <Kadran> gurumeditationer: i tried to follow this example but didn't worked, i don't know what i am doing wrong
[02:22] <Darkseed> nvidi help on new kubuntu
[02:22] <Darkseed> nvidia lol
[02:23] <gurumeditationer> Kadren, do you know what exact drive/partition your windows installation is?
[02:23] <LjL> gurumeditationer: for me, installing gcc does create a symlink
[02:24] <mrfishhat> what kernal does 6.06 use standard?
[02:24] <gurumeditationer> LjL, it seems like something magical has happened with me
[02:24] <LjL> gurumeditationer: perhaps try "apt-get --reinstall install gcc"
[02:24] <gurumeditationer> 2.6.15-23
[02:24] <eimajenthat> http://pastebin.com/768798
[02:24] <danial> Is there any way to competely flush all my network settings and have them regenerate themselves?
[02:25] <gurumeditationer> I've just made the symlink by hand, it's all working
[02:25] <eimajenthat> LjL: http://pastebin.com/768798
[02:25] <Kadran> gurumeditationer: i have windows on a hd1, and kubuntu on other hd0
[02:25] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: Not sure about that I have just installed network manager and it seems to be not working properly
[02:26] <gurumeditationer> What partition number is windows on?>
[02:26] <eimajenthat> LjL: I thought I remembered seeing another slightly different error, about not being able to run an install script
[02:27] <Kadran> gurumeditationer: sorry, i don't understand, it is on the whole hd space
[02:27] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: it sounds like newer versions of network manager don't have this problem
[02:27] <gurumeditationer> you on linux right now?
[02:27] <LjL> eimajenthat: not sure what the problem might be
[02:27] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: isn't it always that the "next release" will fix everything?
[02:27] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: it's starting to get a little cliche
[02:27] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: I am using network manager and it seems to be ok for me
[02:27] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: you just said it didn't work
[02:28] <Kadran> gurumeditationer: yes
[02:28] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: you're also using the newer kernel
[02:28] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: maybe that makes a difference
[02:28] <gurumeditationer> Kadran, on a prompt: sudo fdisk /dev/hdb (or whatever the drive number is)
[02:28] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: I just loaded it and ifdown ath0
[02:28] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: And the connection came back straight away] 
[02:28] <gurumeditationer> Kadran, then hit p and return to see a partition list, look and see which one is bootable
[02:28] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: well I wonder wtf the problem is then
[02:29] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: it must hvae something to do with that damned ndiswrapper
[02:29] <h3sp4wn> does it appear in the output of lsmod
[02:31] <Kadran> gurumeditationer: http://pastebin.com/768810
[02:31] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: I don't see it in there
[02:33] <gurumeditationer> Kadran, shove this on the end of /boot/grub/menu.lst -> http://pastebin.com/768813
[02:34] <Kadran> gurumeditationer: thanks alot gurumeditationer :)
[02:34] <gurumeditationer> np
[02:34] <gurumeditationer> try not to boot it too much
[02:35] <Kadran> gurumeditationer: i hate windows alot but i have to work on asp.net do you know any substitute for it?
[02:36] <havoc> lots of stuff to backup first though :|
[02:36] <gurumeditationer> apache/php
[02:36] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: Try disabling knetworkmanager and adding this section to /etc/network/interfaces then run ifup ath0
[02:36] <jbirdAngel> legal way to play multimedia files on linux in the usa?
[02:37] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: http://pastebin.com/768819
[02:37] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: I got it working without network manager
[02:37] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: and without that command
[02:37] <Kadran> gurumeditationer: yeah tell that to the company, :( for the first time i feel home in the first day job,
[02:37] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: it was strange, I just came back to my laptop, and it was working
[02:38] <h3sp4wn> Without doing anything ?
[02:38] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: well I had to get an IP
[02:38] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: but that's it
[02:38] <gurumeditationer> fatejudger: your ath0 device doesn't happen to be a Wistron CM9?
[02:38] <fatejudger> Dlink
[02:38] <fatejudger> DWL-G650
[02:39] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: Thats what the pastebin above had in it (so you could use ifup ath0 and ifdown ath0 properly
[02:39] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: I just activated knetworkmanager again, and once again it's broken
[02:39] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: Have you found anything about wext support for network manager
[02:39] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: did you ever restart your computer after you installed knetworkmanager?
[02:39] <_nathan> Hi, I was wondering how I can see my computer's specs (like ram ant ghz)
[02:39] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: No
[02:40] <gurumeditationer> Mines is a CM9 and it uses the Atheros 5212 chipset(hence the ath0) and it doesn't behave at all if it isn't given a iwpriv ath0 authmode 2 on boot
[02:40] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: I've been looking, but I've only come across WPA tutorials for Network Manager
[02:40] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: I brought the interface down though
[02:40] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: maybe you ought to restart
[02:40] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: I don't want to use network manager
[02:40] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: what's wrong with network manager?
[02:40] <_nathan> I bet it's realy easy to find, but I just can't
[02:41] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: I never have problems just doing it manually
[02:41] <fatejudger> what about the bling factor?
[02:41] <D0M1N8R__> Without a internet connection.. How do I go about getting the kernerl source. Vmware and Parallels both want matching kernel source
[02:42] <fatejudger> lol
[02:42] <_nathan> is there any cammand line text that will show me it?
[02:42] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: When the connection is up see if the iwpriv commands increase the connection speed (the ones I gave you before)
[02:42] <D0M1N8R__> Well I got a internet connection here so I can transfer the files over to ther pc using CD-Rom
[02:42] <_nathan> anyone?
[02:42] <gurumeditationer> D0M1N8R__, you better start rewriting it now because it took 15 years so far...
[02:43] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: Is the router a netgear WGT634U ?
[02:43] <_nathan> ideas?
[02:43] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: lol, okay, let me see if I can get it working again
[02:43] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: no, it's the matching router for my card
[02:43] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: Dlink something
[02:43] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: do you want the exact model #?
[02:43] <_nathan> common, help, I'm sure it's real simple!
[02:43] <D0M1N8R__> LoL well as I said though I can transfer it using cdrom. Just dont have internet access at the other puter with kubuntu atm so apt-get doesnt work.
[02:44] <_nathan> please... :(
[02:44] <cbglasgow> something terrible just happened...ok, i removed the gcc base package using Adept and it uninstalled every single package in my Kubunty
[02:44] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: I don't really need the model number (its just I have some custom images I have made for that particular netgear router)
[02:44] <cbglasgow> Kubuntu*
[02:44] <cbglasgow> i did it by accident
[02:44] <_nathan> help me out a little
[02:44] <D0M1N8R__> _nathan I missed the question
[02:44] <gurumeditationer> download the debs you need from directories such as http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-source-2.6.15/
[02:45] <cbglasgow> but geez, can anybody tell me why this happened and if it is fixable?
[02:45] <gurumeditationer> then when you've got them on the netless machine use sudo dpkg --install package_to_install.deb
[02:45] <cbglasgow> i just installed kubuntu all over again cause i didnt know what to do
[02:45] <_nathan> DOM1N8R__: How can I see my system specs?
[02:45] <kbrooks_> Riddell: ping?
[02:45] <cbglasgow> gurumeditationer, are you talking to me?
[02:46] <gurumeditationer> no cbglasgow, that was for D0M1N8R
[02:46] <cbglasgow> any advice on my problem?
[02:46] <D0M1N8R__> thanks
[02:46] <fatejudger_> h3sp4wn: ok, so what were those commands again?
[02:46] <fatejudger_> h3sp4wn: I'm on my laptop now
[02:46] <gurumeditationer> I'm not 100% sure what your asking for, haven't you already reinstall Kubuntu
[02:46] <D0M1N8R__> _nathan there is the kinfocenter
[02:47] <h3sp4wn> iwpriv ath0 burst 1
[02:47] <_nathan> D0M1N8R__:  What's that?
[02:47] <gunjamin> can anyone help me please??
[02:47] <D0M1N8R__> in KDE click K then system then kinfocenter
[02:47] <mrfishhat> hi, i just got a tv tuner card and was wondering if anyone knew how to install it?
[02:47] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: iwpriv ath0 turbo 1
[02:47] <gunjamin> i've used google and cant find any answers
[02:47] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: iwpriv ath0 xr 1
[02:48] <kbrooks_> i need a kubuntu developer
[02:48] <kbrooks_> and fast
[02:48] <_nathan> D0M1N8R__: cool! thanx.  I knew it'd be easy I just coundn't find it.  bye
[02:48] <fatejudger_> h3sp4wn: that last one gives a segfault
[02:48] <gunjamin> please, i would really appreciate if someone could tell me why removing gcc uninstalled my whole kde
[02:48] <LiNuX_LoVeR_17> Ok I need some help
[02:48] <kbrooks_> gunjamin: it does not.
[02:48] <gunjamin> it did for me
[02:48] <kbrooks_> gunjamin: huh?
[02:48] <kbrooks_> gunjamin: pastebin output
[02:48] <LiNuX_LoVeR_17> I would like to delete a file from the windows side of my harddrive and I know it is a keylogger but it won't delete
[02:49] <gunjamin> i removed it using adept by accident
[02:49] <kbrooks_> gunjamin: show screenshots, etc
[02:49] <gunjamin> and it uninstalled every package i had on kubuntu
[02:49] <kbrooks_> gunjamin: did it mention kubuntu-desktop?
[02:49] <gunjamin> i couldnt take a screenshot, it uninstalled my screenshot capturer
[02:49] <LiNuX_LoVeR_17> it tells me: That I can not delet the file
[02:49] <kbrooks_> gunjamin: it didn't do that. are you one hundred percent sure?
[02:49] <LiNuX_LoVeR_17> How would I be able to delete it?
[02:49] <gunjamin> yeah i am
[02:50] <gunjamin> i couldnt do anything
[02:50] <kbrooks_> gunjamin: DID it mention kubuntu-desktop? do you remember?
[02:50] <gunjamin> i just had a blank os
[02:50] <gunjamin> why? what is kubuntu desktop?
[02:50] <gunjamin> i dont think it mentioned that
[02:50] <DaSkreech> Whats the problem?
[02:50] <LiNuX_LoVeR_17> Can anyone help me??
[02:51] <DaSkreech> lol
[02:51] <LiNuX_LoVeR_17> Can anyone help me??
[02:51] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: Don't to the last one then
[02:51] <DaSkreech> I don't know LiNuX_LoVeR_17
[02:51] <kbrooks_> gunjamin: let me get this straight. you remove GCC, and then somehow removing gccc removes kde?
[02:51] <DaSkreech> Whats the issue?
[02:51] <fatejudger_> h3sp4wn: I tried that command again and now I can't stop the program
[02:51] <LiNuX_LoVeR_17> Can you try?
[02:51] <LiNuX_LoVeR_17> lol
[02:51] <gunjamin> hey daskreech, i am cbglasgow if you remember me from earlier
[02:51] <DaSkreech> I don't know again
[02:51] <fatejudger_> h3sp4wn: so apparently I'm going to have to restart my computer, again
[02:51] <DaSkreech> hi gunjamin
[02:51] <LiNuX_LoVeR_17> would you try?
[02:51] <gurumeditationer> kubuntu-desktop is a "fake-package" that doesn't install anything itself but depends on KDE and all the stuff kubuntu needs to make it kubuntu rather than ubuntu
[02:51] <gunjamin> yes, exactly kbrooks
[02:51] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: I think that one is quite experimental
[02:52] <kbrooks_> gunjamin: doesn't do that for me on ubuntu.
[02:52] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: before you restart try
[02:52] <gurumeditationer> so when you install kubuntu-desktop it installs KDE for you, it's useless on kubuntu because if you remove it it doesn't remove anything else
[02:52] <gunjamin> hmm, what do you think couldve been the problem
[02:52] <kbrooks_> gurumeditationer: can you try and duplicate with "apt-get remove gcc"?
[02:52] <LiNuX_LoVeR_17> brb
[02:52] <gurumeditationer> it's only for the ubuntu crowd that realise GNOME is pants
[02:52] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: iwlist ath0 rate
[02:52] <gunjamin> i will tell you the exact name of the package i uninstalled in ovne sec
[02:52] <kbrooks_> gurumeditationer: its not only for the ubuntu crowd
[02:52] <fatejudger_> h3sp4wn: but nothing responds...
[02:53] <fatejudger_> h3sp4wn: let me restart and I'll try
[02:53] <DaSkreech> ubotu: tell LiNuX_LoVeR_17 about ask
[02:53] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: OK (that was just one I found out when I was messing around with madwifi on my netgear router
[02:53] <fatejudger_> h3sp4wn: alright, brb then
[02:53] <gunjamin> gcc-4.0-base
[02:53] <gunjamin> that is the exact package i removed
[02:53] <gunjamin> and it ruined everything
[02:54] <gunjamin> gcc-4.0-base
[02:54] <kbrooks_> gunjamin: h/o
[02:54] <gunjamin> ok
[02:54] <h3sp4wn> gunjamin: Did you try upgrading to gcc-4.1 (from debian sid or anything ?)
[02:55] <gunjamin> no, dont believe so
[02:55] <mrfishhat> any ideas what this means?
[02:55] <mrfishhat> make[2] : Entering directory `/lib/modules/2.6.15-23-386/build'
[02:55] <mrfishhat> make[2] : *** No rule to make target `modules'.  Stop.
[02:55] <gurumeditationer> gcc-4.0-base doesn't provide anything that is system-essential
[02:55] <DaSkreech> in fact I'm fairly certian it's not installed when you install ubuntu
[02:56] <gunjamin> man, i wonder what happened then? i panicked as i saw adept uninstall several familiar package names
[02:56] <gunjamin> like i saw it uninstall each and every one
[02:56] <kbrooks_> gunjamin: what are these names?
[02:56] <gurumeditationer> make is saying it's not got instructions for how to build the "modules" either you arn't supposed to type "make modules" but something else or somethings broke
[02:56] <gurumeditationer> Are you following 2.4.x kernel compile instructions for a 2.6.x kernel?
[02:57] <kbrooks_> gurumeditationer: hilight people
[02:57] <gunjamin> ya know, stuff like gaim, konqueror, kaffeine, EVERYTHING
[02:57] <gunjamin> all my apps
[02:57] <LiNuX_LoVeR_17> Would someone tell me please, how I could delete a file from a windows partition on Kubuntu?
[02:57] <gurumeditationer> you sure you didn't uninstall something else like bintools?
[02:57] <kbrooks_> gurumeditationer: using: "part<tab>" (replace "part")
[02:57] <gunjamin> i am maybe 95% sure
[02:58] <kbrooks_> gunjamin: then you're nort sure at all
[02:58] <gurumeditationer> LiNuX_LoVeR_17: before you can rm a file you must have A) the drive mounted readable and B) the permissions to rm it
[02:58] <DaSkreech> LiNuX_LoVeR_17: Is it an NTFS partition?
[02:58] <LiNuX_LoVeR_17> Yes
[02:58] <gurumeditationer> LiNuX_LoVeR_17, are you asking how to delete a file, or are you saying your having trouble with this one in particular.
[02:58] <LiNuX_LoVeR_17> and it is mounted
[02:58] <DaSkreech> ubotu: tell LiNuX_LoVeR_17 about NTFS
[02:59] <fatejudger_> h3sp4wn: I used the commands
[02:59] <gurumeditationer> LiNuX_LoVeR_17, Ahh, forget it if its NTFS
[02:59] <LiNuX_LoVeR_17> I am asking how to delete a file.
[02:59] <fatejudger_> h3sp4wn: the iwlist scan ath0 says that it goes up only to 54 mbps
[02:59] <LiNuX_LoVeR_17> wait
[02:59] <fatejudger_> h3sp4wn: what would be the best way to test to see if it's working or not?
[02:59] <LiNuX_LoVeR_17> ok here is why
[02:59] <gunjamin> all i can say though is, this is my first day using ubuntu and i was kinda ticked off that i was able to screw up everything so easily
[02:59] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: what about iwlist ath0 rate
[02:59] <gunjamin> but i guess thats where linux's power comes from
[03:00] <fatejudger_> h3sp4wn: wtf, current bit rate is 6 mbps
[03:00] <LiNuX_LoVeR_17> there is a virus but it is hidden and I can only see it from the linux side so I was hoping I can delete the file or at least rename it.
[03:00] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: What is the max one listed as ?
[03:00] <kbrooks_> gunjamin: very powerful
[03:00] <fatejudger_> h3sp4wn: 54 mbps
[03:00] <kbrooks_> gunjamin: admin privileges should not be used lightly
[03:01] <gunjamin> so kbrooks, it is not unusual at all that i would be able to F&*# up everything so quickly, right?
[03:01] <LiNuX_LoVeR_17> is that possible?
[03:01] <h3sp4wn> gunjamin: I think badly messing it all up is part of learning to use linux
[03:01] <gunjamin> yeah, definitely
[03:02] <gunjamin> i did learn alot today so far though
[03:02] <gunjamin> i really like linux
[03:02] <gurumeditationer> It can have a steep learning curve at times, gunjamin
[03:02] <gurumeditationer> But think of it like this, Linux is probably the last OS you'll ever have to learn.
[03:03] <gunjamin> the learning curve is definitely pretty steep
[03:03] <h3sp4wn> gurumediationer: Do you never think plan 9 will take off
[03:03] <h3sp4wn> gurumediationer: The ideas are good in it
[03:03] <gunjamin> i have dabbled quite a bit previously with puppy linux
[03:03] <DaSkreech> LiNuX_LoVeR_17: technically yes but you stand a chance of messing up your partitons
[03:03] <gunjamin> but it is a very simple linux distro
[03:03] <gunjamin> has anyone here tried puppy?
[03:04] <DaSkreech> h3sp4wn: Plan 9?
[03:04] <DaSkreech> LiNuX_LoVeR_17: Why don't you boot into safe mode for Windows and delete it?
[03:04] <h3sp4wn> Its a research operating system by bell labs (more unix than unix)
[03:04] <gurumeditationer> h3sp4wn, plan 9 is nice right enough, it's even by one of the ol' unix boys. But *nix has too much momentum now.
[03:04] <LiNuX_LoVeR_17> good plan
[03:04] <fatejudger_> h3sp4wn: I'm guessing that the driver didn't end up installing right
[03:04] <gunjamin> nobody here has tried puppy linux?
[03:04] <gurumeditationer> Plus if a truelly compelling feature/ideology takes hold linux will change to adopt it.
[03:05] <LiNuX_LoVeR_17> Thanks never thought of that
[03:05] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: What are you going to do rebuild network manager ?
[03:05] <DaSkreech> LiNuX_LoVeR_17: If that doesn't work the new Knoppix allows you to delete from NTFS
[03:05] <fatejudger_> h3sp4wn: I have no idea
[03:05] <DaSkreech> It's still kinda dangerous so UB!
[03:05] <fatejudger_> h3sp4wn: I'm really out of ideas
[03:05] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: But it can connect ?
[03:06] <fatejudger_> h3sp4wn: yeah, I'm on my laptop right now
[03:06] <gurumeditationer> LiNuX_LoVeR_17, you better be prepared for a ruined filesystem. It may not be likley but it's still possible so don't do anything to a NTFS partition that holds important shit
[03:06] <gunjamin> question...i notice you all address someone whenever you talk to them...do you type this manually or automatically?
[03:06] <h3sp4wn> when I do the iwpriv turbo (if I connect to a supported ap I get 108mps)
[03:06] <LiNuX_LoVeR_17> got it
[03:07] <gurumeditationer> gunjamin, in most IRC clients you can type half the name then hit tab
[03:07] <fatejudger_> h3sp4wn: the command is sudo iwpriv ath0 turbo 1, right?
[03:07] <h3sp4wn> yes
[03:07] <gurumeditationer> gunjamin, you get the same sort of completion you'd get on bash
[03:07] <DaSkreech> ubotu: tell gurumeditationer about language
[03:07] <gunjamin> ahh, cool
[03:08] <gunjamin> gurumeditationer: thanks
[03:08] <fatejudger_> DaSkreech: you're complaining that he said "shit"?
[03:08] <DaSkreech> Kinda some people still find it offensive :)
[03:08] <fatejudger_> DaSkreech: would you be one of them?
[03:08] <KuLover> Is there a way to have certain directories remember view modes in Konqueror?
[03:09] <lwells> I was wondering if someone can help me install a printer
[03:09] <gurumeditationer> Being offended by certain words is so arbitrary
[03:09] <DaSkreech> No but I'd like to feel tha parents would be alright with young ones being able to come here and ask questions
[03:09] <gurumeditationer> If I had said "poo" would it still be offensive? It'd still be conjuring the same image.
[03:09] <fatejudger_> DaSkreech: oh yeah, because my little cousin comes in here all the time at discuss the nuances of Linux
[03:10] <AMEGALUSX> hey
[03:10] <fatejudger_> not only that, but what language haven't little children heard by now?
[03:10] <lwells> I am able to select a driver, but then it tells me that it does not excist or I do not have permission to load it
[03:10] <AMEGALUSX> this is my final name
[03:10] <AMEGALUSX> used to be gunjamin
[03:10] <DaSkreech> fatejudger_: Not really for me to judge
[03:10] <fatejudger_> h3sp4wn: what do you think I ought to do then?
[03:11] <lwells> I mean , if the driver is on the list why wont it load it?
[03:11] <fatejudger_> h3sp4wn: I'm guessing I'd have more success starting from zero
[03:11] <gurumeditationer> lwells, a driver for what?
[03:11] <fatejudger_> probably a printer
[03:11] <fatejudger_> I get the same error for mine, it's pretty dumb
[03:11] <KuLover> Is there a way to have certain directories remember view modes in Konqueror?
[03:11] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: Could try building 2.6.16
[03:11] <lwells> a photosmart 7350 HP printer
[03:11] <fatejudger_> lwells: try using the hpjis driver
[03:12] <fatejudger_> lwells: not just the standard generic one
[03:12] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: (madwifi is not in that at all so madwifi-ng) definately works perfect (thats what I use
[03:12] <lwells> I did, it is on the list, but tells me that it cannot load or I do not have permissions
[03:12] <fatejudger_> h3sp4wn: I've never compiled my own kernel before
[03:12] <fatejudger_> h3sp4wn: is there a tutorial on the wiki or something?
[03:13] <lwells> If it is on the driver list, it should be there right?
[03:13] <AMEGALUSX> compiling your own kernel...sounds scary
[03:13] <fatejudger_> lwells: should be right around that driver
[03:13] <fatejudger_> lwells: there should be several drivers with your printer name
[03:13] <fatejudger_> lwells: after you select your printer that is
[03:13] <fatejudger_> lwells: well, maybe it's before
[03:13] <fatejudger_> lwells: yeah, before
[03:14] <lwells> Yes I see that driver, but when I try to load any of them it gives me an error
[03:14] <fatejudger_> lwells: well that's damn strange
[03:14] <lwells> It says it does not exist or that I do not have the propermissions
[03:14] <fatejudger_> yeah, I got that error too, but hpjis worked
[03:15] <lwells> Same error?
[03:15] <fatejudger_> lwells: exact same error
[03:15] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelHowto
[03:15] <morla> hi there. i'm about to mkfs.ext3 a 40gb partition. are there any important parameters (blocksize?) to set?
[03:16] <lwells> I tried ignoring the error, but the printer just spews out blank pages
[03:16] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: The best way to get the .config is to copy it from /boot/config-2.6.15 - then just run make-kpkg --initrd --revision=custom4 --append-to-version=-v1 binary
[03:16] <Lunar_Raven> you're sure you're picking the one that says -hpjis at the end?
[03:17] <Lunar_Raven> @lwells
[03:17] <AMEGALUSX> morla, you should just use default
[03:17] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: You will end up with 4 debs
[03:17] <AMEGALUSX> thats what i do
[03:17] <lwells> Yes, and it also says it is the recommened one
[03:17] <morla> simply mkfs.ext3 /dev/mapper/etc ?
[03:18] <lwells> the exact message is "Unable to create the Foomatic driver [HP-PhotoSmart_7350,hpijs] . Either that driver does not exist, or you don't have the required permissions to perform that operation."
[03:18] <fatejudger_> h3sp4wn: should I get the latest stable?
[03:18] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: Yes
[03:19] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: First time through I would not remove anything just copy the .config from /boot
[03:19] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: then run make menuconfig don't change anything
[03:19] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: then make-kpkg --initrd --revision=custom4 --append-to-version=-v1 binary
[03:19] <Lunar_Raven> hmmm very odd
[03:19] <Lunar_Raven> you could try it with super user permissions
[03:19] <Lunar_Raven> sudo kprinter
[03:20] <lwells> Do I need to be in admin mode?
[03:20] <fatejudger_> h3sp4wn: alright, well I need to go get something to eat
[03:20] <fatejudger_> h3sp4wn: thanks for your help
[03:20] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: You need to do that stuff as root or in fakeroot
[03:20] <Lunar_Raven> no sir, just in a console type 'sudo kprinter'
[03:20] <fatejudger_> h3sp4wn: alright, I'll right that down
[03:20] <fatejudger_> heh
[03:20] <Lunar_Raven> it'll ask for your root password
[03:20] <lwells> Well I just went into admin mode, lets see what happens
[03:21] <Lunar_Raven> k
[03:21] <Lunar_Raven> try that
[03:21] <lasindi> Hi all, how do I change the workgroup in Kubuntu for Samba filesharing? I can't find it anywhere in the File Sharing section of the System Settings
[03:21] <Lunar_Raven> because the driver should work
[03:21] <lwells> It did say I may not have had the proper permissions
[03:21] <Lunar_Raven> yeah
[03:21] <Lunar_Raven> hope that's it
[03:21] <Lunar_Raven> :P
[03:22] <KuLover> Is there a way to have certain directories remember view modes in Konqueror?
[03:23] <fatejudger_> h3sp4wn: which version of the kernel should I be downloading?
[03:23] <lwells> thanks all, i might be back
[03:23] <Lunar_Raven> ok
[03:23] <Lunar_Raven> good luck
[03:23] <Lunar_Raven> There should be Ku
[03:23] <Lunar_Raven> not sure if there is or how, though :O
[03:25] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: I'm still logged into my desktop
[03:26] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: 2.16.whatever the latest point release is
[03:28] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: there's a few different ones you can download at kernel.org
[03:29] <h3sp4wn> http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/patch-2.6.16.20.bz2 (latest stable version)
[03:29] <h3sp4wn> no thats just the patch
[03:29] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: yeah
[03:29] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: that's why I asked
[03:30] <h3sp4wn> ftp://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/linux-2.6.16.20.tar.gz
[03:31] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: ok, cool, thanks
[03:31] <Search4Lancer> ahhhh stupid question..... how do I extract a .bin?
[03:32] <h3sp4wn> what type of bin
[03:32] <Search4Lancer> the java runtime environment bin
[03:33] <Search4Lancer> since apparently Kubuntu doesn't come with java installed
[03:34] <saj> !avi
[03:34] <ubotu> from memory, avi is Video for Windows. For more info http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[03:35] <DaSkreech> Search4Lancer: A) You can apt-get Java
[03:35] <DaSkreech> Search4Lancer: b) for future reference if you know the bin file is not a CD image you can ./binfilename.bin to run it
[03:35] <Search4Lancer> DaSkreech: no I can't, my apt is broken, as explained in the forums
[03:36] <DaSkreech> Search4Lancer: Well want me to grab the dependency list and the URLs so you can manually install it?
[03:37] <Search4Lancer> when I try to ./ it it says permission denied.... even though I'm in as root
[03:38] <DaSkreech> Search4Lancer: a) I think it comes with a README or an INSTALL file
[03:38] <Search4Lancer> that's rediculous..... and in any case, I don't see one
[03:38] <DaSkreech> Search4Lancer: b) have you checked the permissons on it It may not have the executable bit set
[03:39] <Search4Lancer> well, I can't now, as right clicking on it just froze my damned desktop (as right clicking on archives tends to do)
[03:39] <DaSkreech> hmm
[03:40] <DaSkreech> there wasn't any instructions on the page you got it from?
[03:40] <Desh> Does anyone know how to correctly install fglrx onto Dapper (Xorg 7, ATI Mobility 9700, nForce3 motherboard chipset)
[03:43] <Search4Lancer> oh sure, sure... found the instructions now...
[03:43] <AMEGALUSX> im confused about something....is it not possible to login as root in ubuntu?
[03:44] <Desh> Yes.
[03:44] <DaSkreech> !root
[03:44] <ubotu> Direct login as the root user is disabled in Ubuntu. Look at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo for all information.
[03:44] <DaSkreech> Wow :)
[03:44] <DaSkreech> !women
[03:44] <ubotu> The Ubuntu women project women and men hang out in #ubuntu-women. Encouraging women to use linux? Read http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Encourage-Women-Linux-HOWTO/ for some suggestions compiled by women who use Linux on how to do so effectively.
[03:44] <AMEGALUSX> what?
[03:44] <AMEGALUSX> what is !root
[03:44] <DaSkreech> AMEGALUSX: It asks the local Ubuntu robot a question
[03:45] <DaSkreech> ubotu: tell AMEGALUSX about root
[03:45] <AMEGALUSX> !root
[03:45] <ubotu> Direct login as the root user is disabled in Ubuntu. Look at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo for all information.
[03:45] <DaSkreech> There you go :)
[03:45] <AMEGALUSX> cool
[03:45] <Desh> AMEGALUSX: At the login screen, select a console login, enter your username as root, same pass you use for your primary user, then type: startx
[03:46] <LjL> uh?
[03:46] <Search4Lancer> great.... the install failed...
[03:46] <lwells> I need to squeeze some speed out of my system, how can I do tht
[03:46] <AMEGALUSX> what does startx do
[03:46] <Search4Lancer> why in the flyin hell does kubuntu not come with a java runtime environment already installed!?!?
[03:46] <DaSkreech> It starts X
[03:46] <LjL> starts X... but i'm not sure what you're saying Desh
[03:46] <DaSkreech> Search4Lancer: Not free software
[03:47] <AMEGALUSX> and X would be an X windows session?
[03:47] <lwells> I am on a 500 mgz machine, little on the slow side
[03:47] <D0M1N8R__> is there a basic category break down some where of how this 3Gig is used up on kubutu install.  Doesnt seem like there is anything really installed.
[03:47] <Desh> o_O LjL, startx is the command you would use at the black screen to sart the GUI.
[03:47] <LjL> AMEGALUSX: yeah. the X server, more precisely
[03:47] <AMEGALUSX> ahhh, that is helpful
[03:47] <DaSkreech> D0M1N8R__: What do you want?
[03:47] <LjL> Desh: i know that, what i'm not understanding is the other part of what you said
[03:47] <AMEGALUSX> cause i have been stuck in the console before
[03:47] <lwells> Is there something that I can tweek to have the computer run a little faster?
[03:47] <Desh> Search4Lancer: enable repositories and install sun-java5-lib and sun-java5-jre
[03:48] <DaSkreech> lwells: You can turn off services you aren't using I would guess
[03:48] <LjL> AMEGALUSX, Desh: but the usual way to start the X server is "sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start" (or kdm start, depending), not startx
[03:48] <DaSkreech> Desh: his apt is broken
[03:48] <Search4Lancer> Desh: pay attention please - I can't
[03:48] <Desh> LjL: on the login screen you select a console Login, one of the buttons there lets you choose b/w different logins or reboot
[03:48] <DaSkreech> Search4Lancer: No need for that
[03:49] <Desh> Search4Life: Wait, you are using apt-get correct?
[03:49] <LjL> Desh: hm, so you're saying to login with username "root" and password same as your user's?
[03:49] <Desh> LjL: Yes
[03:49] <lwells> Are there ways in linux to overclock the processor?
[03:49] <LjL> Desh: but that won't work, unless you've manually enabled the root account and assigned it a password
[03:49] <AMEGALUSX> you overclock your processor in the bios
[03:49] <Search4Lancer> yes Desh, I know how to use apt-get - see this: http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=5884.0
[03:49] <Desh> LjL: No, Kubuntu/Ubuntu is designed to use the pass you designate your primary user
[03:49] <AMEGALUSX> if your motherboard allows it
[03:49] <lwells> guess that was pretty naive of me
[03:50] <LjL> Desh: yes. but it's *not* designed to have the root account enabled at all, so you just can't login with user "root"
[03:50] <LjL> Desh: you've got to login with *your* user, and then use "sudo"
[03:50] <Desh> LjL: you can from the console
[03:50] <lwells> Is there anything else that i can use in linux to speed things up?
[03:50] <DaSkreech> lwells: Turn off things you aren't using
[03:50] <LjL> Desh: uh, no you can't. not unless you installed in Expert mode (thereby enabling root, should ask for its password during installation) or enabled root manually
[03:51] <lwells> How do i do that??
[03:51] <Desh> LjL: Hmm I installed it normally and I can do that
[03:51] <AMEGALUSX> is loggin in as root kinda dangerous security-wise?
[03:51] <LjL> Desh: well, i'm really positive that it shouldn't happen...
[03:51] <Desh> LjL: Also, during boot up, pressing Esc and going into the Grub menu lets you choose the Recovery Mode which also lets you use root
[03:51] <LjL> AMEGALUSX: yeah. that's why Ubuntu prefers the sudo approach. encourages you to stay root for as short as possible
[03:52] <Search4Lancer> yes AMEGALUSX, which is why by default in Ubuntu you can;t
[03:52] <Desh> Let me test this..
[03:52] <LjL> Desh: yes
[03:53] <Search4Lancer> *sigh*
[03:53] <AMEGALUSX> its unbelievable how willing people are to help in here....im kinda shocked
[03:53] <DaSkreech> Umm sorry about that
[03:53] <lwells> Where do I see the processes that are running?
[03:53] <LjL> lwells: ps aux
[03:53] <LjL> or ctrl+esc under kde
[03:53] <DaSkreech> Or Ctrl+Esc
[03:53] <Search4Lancer> hah yeah yet I continue to have trouble....
[03:53] <DaSkreech> Or Gnome
[03:54] <DaSkreech> or E I think
[03:54] <LjL> dunno, i don't use gnome :)
[03:54] <DaSkreech> Search4Lancer: Just want to know what happens if you try to use apt?
[03:54] <Search4Lancer> DaSkreech: http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=5884.0
[03:54] <AMEGALUSX> just out of curiosity, what does everyone here do for a living?
[03:54] <LjL> it works under Windows in any case
[03:54] <LjL> nothing
[03:55] <Search4Lancer> Nothing, absolutely nothing AMEGALUSX
[03:55] <DaSkreech> Search4Lancer: so if you run apt-get install something you get that?
[03:55] <Search4Lancer> yes
[03:55] <DaSkreech> AMEGALUSX: Break windows
[03:55] <Search4Lancer> if I run apt-get anything I get that
[03:55] <AMEGALUSX> lol, break windows?
[03:55] <DaSkreech> Search4Lancer: Waht does dpkg -configure -a give you?
[03:55] <DaSkreech> Search4Lancer: Waht does dpkg --configure -a give you?
[03:56] <Search4Lancer> DaSkreech: nothing
[03:56] <DaSkreech> hmm
[03:57] <AMEGALUSX> are you gusy using konversation or something else?
[03:57] <AMEGALUSX> guys*
[03:57] <LjL> konv for me
[03:57] <Search4Lancer> Konversation
[03:57] <AMEGALUSX> k me too
[03:57] <mrfishhat> how do i upgrade to kernel 2.6.18
[03:57] <Search4Lancer> you climb the highest mountain, you swim the deepest sea...
[03:58] <Desh> LjL: Ah I see, on my previous installation I was able to, but I had set the root pass with: sudo passwd root
[03:58] <mrfishhat> and after that?
[03:58] <DaSkreech> Search4Lancer: Where did you get mldonkey-server from?
[03:58] <DaSkreech> Desh: Right that's what we said
[03:58] <LjL> Desh: i see... well note that enabling root that was was known to give a couple of (not very serious) problems, at least under breezy
[03:58] <Search4Lancer> DaSkreech: how the heck should I know? :D Adept, I believe
[03:59] <LjL> was was = way was
[03:59] <Desh> I wish I could get 3d to work. :(
[03:59] <DaSkreech> Search4Lancer: Should I do the pyscho thing and install it to see if it goes crazy?
[03:59] <D0M1N8R__> basically I setup 3G partition as thats the min requirement and planned on setting up just a hand full of stuff on it and use a large partition to keep all my files on. Im using 91% of the partition with nothing really installed.
[03:59] <DaSkreech> !help
[03:59] <qalimas> Is there a KIOSlave for opening .tar.gz files as folders?
[03:59] <D0M1N8R__> Im curious to know what is taking up so much room
[04:00] <AMEGALUSX> lol
[04:00] <Desh> Yeah, ubotu failed me before as well.
[04:00] <DaSkreech> D0M1N8R__: OS and few thousand applications along with documentation for said applications
[04:00] <AMEGALUSX> domo arrigoto mr. ubotu
[04:00] <DaSkreech> D0M1N8R__: Hope you have /home partition
[04:00] <AMEGALUSX> for nothin....
[04:01] <Search4Lancer> DaSkreech: I wouldn't recommend it. At least, not until someone comes up with a solution for it.
[04:01] <Desh> Argh, I can't live w/o Half Life 2!
[04:02] <AMEGALUSX> you can play HL2 on Linux?
[04:02] <Desh> Yes, but I would nee my 3d to work.
[04:02] <AMEGALUSX> what vid card you have?
[04:03] <Desh> Ati Mobility Radeon 9700 128mb
[04:03] <AMEGALUSX> where do you even get HL2 for linux?
[04:03] <Desh> No, I have the Win32 version.
[04:03] <Desh> I used to play it on XP.
[04:03] <AMEGALUSX> and you can install in in linux?
[04:04] <Desh> WIth Wine or Cedega
[04:04] <AMEGALUSX> oh ok
[04:04] <Search4Lancer> I'm tempted to just delete (or move, in case deleting totally kills everything) every single thing on here named mldonkey-server and see if that helps
[04:04] <AMEGALUSX> oh yeah, ive heard about cedega
[04:04] <qalimas> How do I enable the tar:/ kioslave?
[04:04] <Desh> But my wine is not showing up in my menus.
[04:04] <AMEGALUSX> forgot about that
[04:04] <claydoh> AMEGALUSX: plus sometimes a bit of tweaking
[04:04] <AMEGALUSX> does it decrease performance with the overhead?
[04:04] <claydoh> but it runs OK for me
[04:04] <Search4Lancer> you whip it, qalimas. whip it til it's nose bleeds.
[04:04] <Desh> Never actually tested, never got 3d working.
[04:04] <AMEGALUSX> how about for you claydoh?
[04:05] <claydoh> dunno, never played it in windows
[04:05] <AMEGALUSX> oh
[04:05] <AMEGALUSX> is it fast for you on linux?
[04:05] <Desh> claydoh: what do you use to play it? Cedega or Wine?
[04:05] <claydoh> transgaming.org's forums are good for info and ideas on what you may have trouble with
[04:06] <DaSkreech> Search4Lancer: Is mldonkey running now?
[04:06] <claydoh> cedega, never did get it going in wine, but I will try again when the next wine version comes out
[04:06] <Desh> claydoh what card do you use?
[04:07] <claydoh> nvidia gf 6200
[04:07] <AMEGALUSX> how do I install a package that i downloaded?
[04:07] <AMEGALUSX> not using a package manager or anything?
[04:07] <h3sp4wn> dpkg -i
[04:07] <claydoh> I can get 40-60 fps in cedega if I twek my xorg, enable fastwrites, and tweak the game settings/cedega settings
[04:08] <LjL> AMEGALUSX: though before installing it... are you positively sure it's not in the repos?
[04:08] <LjL> installing "foreign" packages can cause damages in some cases
[04:08] <Desh> How do I see my framerate with glxgears?
[04:08] <LjL> especially when they were intended for debian
[04:08] <AMEGALUSX> nah, im not actually installing anything right now, i was just asking in general
[04:08] <Desh> And how fast are they supposed to move?
[04:08] <LjL> Desh: glxgears --yesiknowthisisnotabenchmark, or something similar
[04:09] <claydoh> use this command : "glxgears -printfps"
[04:09] <AMEGALUSX> so i would just type dpkg -i in konsole?
[04:09] <LjL> they're not supposed to move at any specific rate, since it's not a benchmark ;)
[04:09] <LjL> AMEGALUSX: no - dpkg -i followed by the file name
[04:09] <LjL> and preceeded by sudo
[04:09] <saj> !avi
[04:09] <ubotu> hmm... avi is Video for Windows. For more info http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[04:09] <claydoh> its ok for testing driver changes/settings/ etc
[04:09] <claydoh> glxgears, rather
[04:09] <AMEGALUSX> and this not only extracts, but also installs, correct?
[04:10] <Desh> How odd, I am using the normal ati driver and it seems like I have 3d..
[04:10] <LjL> AMEGALUSX: yes, but it doesn't install any required dependencies
[04:10] <Desh> 4000+ FPS
[04:10] <AMEGALUSX> whats a required dependency
[04:10] <LjL> AMEGALUSX: a package that the package you're installed needs in order to run
[04:10] <DaSkreech> ubotu You Lie!
[04:10] <ubotu> No idea, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, DaSkreech
[04:10] <LjL> like a library that it needs, or things like that
[04:10] <AMEGALUSX> ah, gotcha
[04:10] <LjL> installed=installing
[04:11] <AMEGALUSX> like a plugin package for example?
[04:11] <LjL> only if that plugin is *required* for the main package to work
[04:11] <spiderworm> anyone know how to get xgl working with kubuntu?
[04:11] <kkathman> would there be restrictions on me using the nvidia drivers in ubuntu, on myu GeForce2 GTS/Pro card?
[04:11] <AMEGALUSX> ic, thanks
[04:11] <DaSkreech> ubotu: tell spiderworm about XGL
[04:12] <kkathman> i had some really tough times getting the right video driver under SUSE
[04:12] <LjL> AMEGALUSX: for example, try "sudo apt-get install xfce4" (but then answer NO when it asks whether you really want to install, since it's just a test!)
[04:12] <spiderworm> DaSkreech: its all about gnome / gdm at that URL and in #ubuntu-xgl, thanks
[04:12] <LjL> AMEGALUSX: xfce is a desktop environment like KDE and Gnome. as such, it requires a number of other programs. apt-get would install them for you
[04:12] <michelleindeed> Go figure the day I install Kubuntu it becomes outdated.
[04:13] <DaSkreech> spiderworm: Yeah it's a bit gnome heavy  :-)
[04:13] <DaSkreech>  mostly cause compiz-kde doesn't work too well
[04:13] <Desh> As of when is a Mobility 9700 supported by the ati driver?
[04:13] <DaSkreech>  You cna use compiz-gnome though
[04:13] <LjL> AMEGALUSX: (although i'd normally use "sudo aptitude install xyz" rather than apt-get, since aptitude also *removes* the dependencies for you, the day you decide to remove the package)
[04:13] <DaSkreech> There should be a forum post on XGL and KDE I've herad as well but don't repeat it ;-)
[04:13] <chuckyp> Downloading kubuntu 6.06 to install now figure i'll give it a try since i've been runing gnome for ever.
[04:13] <chuckyp> DaSkreech, there is
[04:13] <chuckyp> DaSkreech, its in the wiki i believe
[04:14] <DaSkreech> chuckyp: Welcome
[04:14] <AMEGALUSX> LjL, i tried that...this is what i got:
[04:14] <LjL> AMEGALUSX: don't paste here if it's long please ;)
[04:14] <AMEGALUSX> Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[04:14] <AMEGALUSX> Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[04:14] <AMEGALUSX> Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[04:14] <AMEGALUSX> Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[04:14] <chuckyp> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CompositeManager
[04:14] <LjL> AMEGALUSX: oh, that would be because you already have Adept, Synaptic, apt-get or some other package manager running
[04:14] <LjL> or dpkg even
[04:15] <Dasnipa`> !spam
[04:15] <DaSkreech> chuckyp: Tell spiderworm about it
[04:15] <ubotu> Stupid Pointless Annoying Messages, or the pork luncheon meat whose name is the acronym of Shoulder of Pork and hAM
[04:15] <AMEGALUSX> ahh, you are right
[04:15] <D0M1N8R__> k having more problems with permissions I think. VMWare wont edit virtual settings. When the settings window appears says read only.
[04:15] <chuckyp> spiderworm, ^^^^^^^^^^
[04:15] <D0M1N8R__> The vmware files are in /mnt/hda4/
[04:15] <D0M1N8R__> Ive already done a chown to my user
[04:16] <D0M1N8R__> and even tried chmod to 777
[04:16] <Desh> This is so weird...
[04:16] <AMEGALUSX> Building dependency tree... Done
[04:16] <AMEGALUSX> E: Couldn't find package xfce4
[04:16] <LjL> doh
[04:16] <D0M1N8R__> but still no luck but if I run as root using kdesu works fine
[04:16] <AMEGALUSX> what?
[04:16] <LjL> AMEGALUSX: oh, that's because xfce4 is in the Universe repository, which you probably don't have enabled
[04:16] <AMEGALUSX> how come it coldnt find it
[04:16] <chuckyp> If I install ubuntu dapper then install kubuntu-desktop package will it still borkt he menus in gnome up?
[04:16] <AMEGALUSX> oh
[04:17] <LjL> AMEGALUSX: which brings me back to the above question: are you *sure* the package you're trying to install manually isn't in a repo?
[04:17] <chuckyp> AMEGALUSX, sudo apt-get -f or something like that to fix
[04:17] <LjL> chuckyp: no, no, it's just Universe not enabled
[04:17] <chuckyp> AMEGALUSX, to fix the locked file unless you arent' using apt-get
[04:17] <chuckyp> LjL, sorry i wasn't paying that close of attention
[04:18] <LjL> no worries
[04:18] <LjL> !tell AMEGALUSX about repos
[04:18] <LjL> !tell AMEGALUSX about easysource
[04:18] <AMEGALUSX> LjL, im not really trying to install anything
[04:18] <kkathman> !nvidia
[04:18] <ubotu> I guess nvidia is Help about installing the nVidia drivers on Ubuntu can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[04:18] <AMEGALUSX> xfce4 is what you suggested i try
[04:18] <AMEGALUSX> remember?
[04:18] <vanRijn> re, all
[04:18] <LjL> AMEGALUSX: yeah, but before you asked how to install a package that you downloaded manually
[04:19] <chuckyp> Anyone  Know if installing kubuntu-desktop on dapper will bork my menus in gnome?  i.e. add all sorts of kde related apps etc...
[04:19] <chuckyp> ?????????
[04:19] <AMEGALUSX> yeah, but that was jsut for future reference
[04:19] <LjL> chuckyp: yes it will
[04:19] <no0tic> hi, is xgl working on kubuntu?
[04:19] <chuckyp> LjL, hrm... pooop
[04:19] <LjL> AMEGALUSX: ok, well then - keep Ubotu's links for future reference too. as long as you don't have Universe enabled, you only have access to some 7000 packages. with Universe and Multiverse, that becomes roughly 17000 packages iirc
[04:20] <LjL> AMEGALUSX: so you'd definitely want to triple-check that a program isn't in the repos, before downloading it manually from some external site
[04:20] <chuckyp> LjL, Well i'm probably going to just finish dl'ng kubuntu then and install that.  I've been playing with gnome for a while now and want to see the other side.
[04:21] <LjL> chuckyp: if doing multiple installations isn't a problem for you then yeah, i would suggest that
[04:21] <AMEGALUSX> ok, thanks LjL, i appreciate the help..i will ask the bot about universe so i dont have to bother you anymore
[04:21] <AMEGALUSX> i am a total noob
[04:21] <michelleindeed> I'm more of a noob.
[04:21] <michelleindeed> I win.
[04:22] <chuckyp> LjL, well i'm just blowing out my old installation.  Its a dual boot machine right now but I havent' been booting to nix that often anymore since bf2.  Been playing a lot of that.
[04:22] <AMEGALUSX> oh, LjL, i see youve already told the bot to tell me about universe
[04:22] <IvanTheViking> Hey guys, I'm a noob to kubuntu after a while with fedora here... is there a way to upgrade to dapper drake from 5.10 ?
[04:22] <LjL> AMEGALUSX: everyone has been. i'm just trying to advance-tell you some things that you may stumble upon later... and that can be hard to fix once the mistake is made
[04:23] <AMEGALUSX> yeah, thanks man
[04:23] <LjL> !tell IvanTheViking about upgrade
[04:23] <IvanTheViking> Thank you!
[04:23] <rabby> IvanTheViking you russian?
[04:23] <IvanTheViking> Not at all
[04:24] <IvanTheViking> I'm from the US actually.
[04:24] <rabby> ok
[04:24] <IvanTheViking> Why, rabby?
[04:24] <LjL> off to bed, night
[04:24] <michelleindeed> I could be a Viking in my own right
[04:25] <rabby> IvanTheViking Ivan - russian name :)
[04:25] <AMEGALUSX> heres a question, how do i get an actual IRC account
[04:25] <AMEGALUSX> i dont even know how i am logged in right now
[04:25] <IvanTheViking> Ah, well rabby, Ivan's also a viking name.
[04:25] <IvanTheViking> But we're o/t so I'll shoosh
[04:26] <AMEGALUSX> i just clicked on konversation and it logged me in as my user name for kubuntu
[04:26] <michelleindeed> Same here, amegalusx
[04:26] <AMEGALUSX> michelleindeed: do you have a friend list?
[04:27] <michelleindeed> I might be able to answer were I to know what you meant..
[04:27] <Desh> Ok, if I can get 4000+ FPS on glxgears and planet penguin racer works, does that mean I have opegl and 3d acceleration working correctly?
[04:27] <AMEGALUSX> im new to IRC, do you get a friend list?
[04:27] <rabby> IvanTheViking: Has understood
[04:27] <michelleindeed> I am new to IRC as well, as about ten minutes ago I had never used it
[04:27] <IvanTheViking> Desh : yes.
[04:28] <AMEGALUSX> michelleindeed: a list where you can add people you meet on IRC
[04:28] <michelleindeed> I don't know
[04:28] <Desh> IvanTheViking: Is it normal for glxgears to give an error and still show them working?
[04:28] <IvanTheViking> Desh : another way to test is to glxinfo | grep direct
[04:28] <IvanTheViking> See if you have direct rendering or not.
[04:28] <AMEGALUSX> im guessing you are new to
[04:28] <AMEGALUSX> too
[04:28] <michelleindeed> Yes, I am
[04:28] <AMEGALUSX> are you new to linux?
[04:29] <michelleindeed> I just installed Kubuntu a week ago, and I had never used IRC while I was running Windows
[04:29] <AMEGALUSX> oh
[04:29] <AMEGALUSX> i just installed kubuntu today
[04:29] <Desh> No ctx->FragmentProgram._Current!!
[04:29] <Desh> direct rendering: Yes
[04:29] <Desh> WHat does the first line mean?
[04:30] <Desh> IvanTheVIking: You know more about this than I do, can I PM you something?
[04:30] <IvanTheViking> Desh : sure.
[04:30] <IvanTheViking> Desh : I will advise you, most of my knowledge stems from Gentoo Linux...
[04:32] <Desh> IvanTheVIking: Ok I Pm'ed you
[04:33] <tc> quit
[04:34] <DaSkreech> noob :-)
[04:34] <IvanTheViking> Indeed.
[04:35] <vanRijn> I'm unable to use sound on my dapper laptop (powerpc).  something just recently broke, since it did use to work.  I get this:  ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:819:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave, Failed to register plugin: /usr/lib/alsaplayer/output/libalsa_out.so.  anyone else seeing this?
[04:35] <kkathman> are there nvidia install instructions for Dapper as opposed to Breezy?
[04:35] <vanRijn> okay, let me ask that differently then
[04:35] <kkathman> the one mentioned in ubotu is dated
[04:35] <vanRijn> does anyone know if/when alsa 1.0.11 is being planned on making it into ubuntu?
[04:36] <IvanTheViking> kkathman : try the nvidia installer ?
[04:36] <kkathman> is that in Dapper?
[04:36] <IvanTheViking> No, that would be from nvidia's site, unfortunately I am not running dapper. It's what I've used in the past in other distros though.
[04:36] <kkathman> there is a specific instruction set for Breezy via ubotu, but its based on packages in Breezy
[04:37] <BrigadierFrog> is there some wiki article on how to upgrade to 3.5.2
[04:37] <BrigadierFrog> er 3.5.3
[04:37] <kkathman> well there were packages in Breezy installable via apt-get
[04:37] <BrigadierFrog> it won't let me install them
[04:37] <BrigadierFrog> something about being held back
[04:37] <Hawkwind> !nvidia
[04:37] <ubotu> nvidia is, like, Help about installing the nVidia drivers on Ubuntu can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[04:38] <BrigadierFrog> oh I see, needed a dist-upgrade
[04:38] <BrigadierFrog> not just a regular upgrade
[04:38] <Desh> This is all very odd...
[04:39] <kkathman> Hawkwind:  yes I did that...its out of date,, like most of ubotu's stuff right now
[04:40] <Desh> IvanTheViking: did you get my PM?
[04:40] <Hawkwind> kkathman: That was for me pesonally :)
[04:40] <IvanTheViking> Desh: yes
[04:40] <IvanTheViking> and I have responded
[04:40] <kkathman> ah okie dokie Hawkwind :)
[04:40] <IvanTheViking> if you run glxgears without the -showfps option, do you still get an error?
[04:41] <Desh> IvanTheVIking: Yes, same error.
[04:41] <IvanTheViking> Desh : well I do not know exactly what the error means, but if your OpenGL apps do not complain and work fine, I would ignore it.
[04:43] <Desh> IvanTheVIking: Ok thanks. One question, see I have an Ati Mobility Radeon 9700, fglrx always reported Mesa as the Open GL thingy, but now, with the "ati" driver, well I am getting glxgears and planet penguin racer to work...so I am confused, should I try to get fglrx working as its supposed to or should I stick with this driver?
[04:44] <IvanTheViking> Desh : here's where you make the call, ATI's support for linux isn't all that great from what I have heard, but I do not own an ATI card. I cannot tell you which works better.
[04:44] <james_xxx> kubuntu is really starting to tick me off lol. i had had k/ubuntu on this computer for a month or so... switched from ubuntu to kubuntu, upgraded from breezy to dapper, and upgraded to KDE 3.5.3. However, after having upgraded to 3.5.3, the first thing I noticed was that screen savers no longer worked. Then I realized that #D graphics no longer worked. I finally did a fresh reinstall a few days ago. Things were fine for about 2 days...
[04:44] <james_xxx> ger work...
[04:44] <IvanTheViking> Desh : If this setup works, stick with it.
[04:44] <james_xxx> 3D*
[04:44] <chuckyp> Is there a fix for the borked menus in gnome after installing kubutnu-desktop?
[04:45] <Desh> IvanTheVIking: Ok, thanks. :)
[04:45] <james_xxx> i was wondering if anyone had any clues as to what is going on with my graphics.... i have a brand new dell desktop with an integrated intel video card
[04:46] <IvanTheViking> Desh : quite welcome, I hope it works out.
[04:47] <Qbyte> I guess nobody knows, James =D
[04:48] <james_xxx> Qbyte: possibly not
[04:48] <james_xxx> this is a weird issue. if i can't fix it this time, i am switching distros
[04:48] <Qbyte> I gave up on getting my broadcom wireless to work
[04:48] <Qbyte> ended up switching to another card
[04:48] <james_xxx> Qbyte: wireless can be touchy
[04:49] <Qbyte> Have you tried it in suse?
[04:49] <AMEGALUSX> i just used synaptic to download a game called tetrinet and i installed it but i dont know where it is now
[04:49] <AMEGALUSX> can anyone help me?
[04:49] <james_xxx> Qbyte: my graphics work fine with kubuntu... for a while, maybe a week. mine worked fine last night, but to day they don't
[04:49] <AMEGALUSX> where would it be located?
[04:49] <Qbyte> ameg: do a seaarch for it
[04:50] <Qbyte> james: I am assuming that you've rebooted numerous times and all that jaz
[04:51] <AMEGALUSX> i did, but it doesnt tell me what menu the program would be located under
[04:51] <AMEGALUSX> when i use Adept, the program appears in its appropritate category on my start menu
[04:52] <Qbyte> use the locate command?
[04:52] <james_xxx> i have another major issue with kubuntu.... and again it involves video. i CONSTANTLY have to re-configure power saving for my monitor. i usually set it to 30 minutes. but i have to set it, set it and re-set it continually.
[04:53] <james_xxx> Qbyte: yes, i have rebooted
[04:53] <IvanTheViking> james_xxx, this sucks but you can add lines to your xorg.conf to manually set the timeouts
[04:53] <james_xxx> IvanTheViking: have you heard of anyone else with these issues?
[04:54] <Qbyte> James: I feel your pain, bro.  Shit like this is an example of how far linux still has to go but you've gotta admit that it's WAY better than even a year ago
[04:54] <IvanTheViking> JAmes_xxx : yes, me. I never could use the KDE setting on any machine I have setup, be it in gentoo, debian, k/ubuntu or fedora to timeout the monitor for some reason.
[04:54] <james_xxx> IvanTheViking: i see. it is a good way to ruin a monitor.
[04:54] <IvanTheViking> James: I always had to add lines to my xfree86/xorg.conf files over the years to manually do DPMS timeouts (google)
[04:55] <beavis> hey , can anyone tell me why the 6.06 takes up almost 1gig of ram without almost any apps running?
[04:55] <james_xxx> IvanTheViking: i love a lot of things about KDE, but maybe instead of switching distros, it is KDE i need to scrap.
[04:56] <IvanTheViking> beavis, check that its not being used as disk buffering.
[04:56] <Qbyte> James - did you get your card working on any other distro's with KDE installed?
[04:56] <IvanTheViking> James : gnome never did it right either.
[04:56] <james_xxx> hmmm
[04:56] <beavis> IvanTheViking: how can i check that , im kind of new
[04:57] <chuckyp> is there a netinstall anywhere?
[04:57] <_john> hey there we've got amarok running but adpet wont run because it complains of some other process already using it and I think it is because of a lock file somewhere.  2 days ago, after the upgrade to dappper, went into adpet and fif a full upgrade and then apply changes and then it only got ot 52% and it basically stopped there saying   could not commit. any pointers please
[04:57] <IvanTheViking> beavis : I think its in ksysguard.
[04:57] <james_xxx> IvanTheViking: i can  live without screen savers, and i can do the xorg.conf thing, but having the 3D graphics just quit a week or 2 after each install is unacceptable.
[04:58] <IvanTheViking> James : that is silly. I never ran an intel based card in linux, I don't know how to fix them, sorry
[04:58] <beavis> IvanTheViking: thats what im looking at , anything specific i need to look at?
[04:59] <Qbyte> I missed it, James, what card are you having trouble with?
[04:59] <IvanTheViking> beavis: physical memory, should be color coded
[04:59] <beavis> IvanTheViking: yes , i have 3 colors
[04:59] <BluDog_Anchorite> any idea why i would be recieving a "sudo: timestamp tpp far in the future : june 9 02:24:34 3006"
[05:00] <james_xxx> Qbyte: i am not sure exactly what it is anymore. i am using the 1810 driver
[05:00] <IvanTheViking> beavis: blue is actual ram used
[05:00] <IvanTheViking> beavis : yellow is the cache
[05:00] <james_xxx> i810*
[05:00] <beavis> IvanTheViking: yeah , the yellow takes up like 500megs
[05:01] <james_xxx> i mean, i would go to walmart and buy an nvidia geforce card if i thought that would solve this issue, but i am not sure that it would
[05:01] <IvanTheViking> beavis : how much crap do you have running ;) , look in the processes
[05:01] <IvanTheViking> james : nvidia linux support is killer.
[05:01] <Qbyte> ATI is pretty much a sure bet
[05:01] <_john> any pointers on how to unlock adept
[05:01] <_john> or where to find a lock file
[05:01] <james_xxx> Qbyte: i have heard that ATI support for linux sucks
[05:02] <Qbyte> noot any of the cards that I've ever encountered
[05:02] <beavis> IvanTheViking: just what comes with the standard install, nothing else
[05:02] <Qbyte> never had a problem
[05:02] <_john> or what to do when it only gets 52% of the way basically hangs and the box is then pwoer cycled
[05:02] <IvanTheViking> beavis : that's quite odd, look in the process table and sort by mem use, see what's burning it up
[05:02] <james_xxx> Qbyte: i have kubuntu on my laptop, too, and it has an ATI rage card... it does seem to work fine
[05:02] <IvanTheViking> james: stick to one less than newest and ATI's ok, nvidia is the same.
[05:03] <beavis> IvanTheViking: im suposed look at VMSIZE?
[05:03] <Qbyte> I agree, Ivan - linux does best with one gen older of pretty much any card that it supports well
[05:03] <james_xxx> Qbyte: i doubt that the intel card i have is exactly cutting edge.
[05:04] <Qbyte> the last part of my sentence said any card that it supports well - Intel isn't on that list ;)
[05:04] <james_xxx> this computer was the cheapest thing dell had six weeks ago
[05:04] <Dasnipa`> gah dell... dells are gay
[05:04] <IvanTheViking> beavis : the other one
[05:04] <Dasnipa`> dell is so very very proprietary
[05:04] <beavis> IvanTheViking: VMRSS?
[05:04] <IvanTheViking> beavis, another handy app is a console one, top.
[05:05] <IvanTheViking> beavis yes, I think that's what I am thinking about
[05:05] <james_xxx> Dasnipa`: maybe so, but i got a lot for $450
[05:05] <IvanTheViking> beavis : example, firefox-bin is whoring up 112 MB of memory on my machine.
[05:05] <james_xxx> how long does it take to put a new graphics card in?
[05:05] <IvanTheViking> james: 2 minutes.
[05:06] <Qbyte> For me?  About 2.6 minutes .. give or take ;)
[05:06] <Dasnipa`> except how much of that hardware is modified with dell 'extra features' like that one chip that dell modded to fail after certian amt of time
[05:06] <BluDog_Anchorite> how can i change the sudo timestamp
[05:06] <Qbyte> Ivan has me beat by .6 minutes
[05:06] <Qbyte> lol
[05:06] <james_xxx> IvanTheViking: and with kubuntu , it should be recognized immediately, i imagine?
[05:06] <Dasnipa`> notice nothing ever came of that dell had ways to get around it all
[05:06] <beavis> IvanTheViking: kdesktop 112, xorg 61, kicker 39,kopete 28, knqueror 25, konversation 22 etc.
[05:06] <IvanTheViking> james : not nvidia or ati, those use closed source stuff. You'd need to add a driver and change an xorg.conf line
[05:07] <IvanTheViking> beavis : kdesktop is taking alot of memory are you using a HUGE wallpaper or something?
[05:07] <Qbyte> If it's a new install, I'd just reinstall .. but that's because I'm lazy
[05:07] <james_xxx> IvanTheViking: if i run easyubuntu and install the nvidia drivers, THEN install my card, should things be ok?
[05:07] <beavis> IvanTheViking: no just one that comes with the kubuntu
[05:08] <IvanTheViking> james : I think, I don't use kubuntu on my desktop, can't help you there. I was in here to help my g/f out with her 1st kubuntu install
[05:08] <beavis> IvanTheViking: but i run 1680x1050
[05:09] <james_xxx> the thing is, i would not be surprised if i installed a new graphics card, but still wound up having the same issues i have right now
[05:10] <IvanTheViking> james : I have always used an nvidia card in my machines and never had a hitch, in gentoo, debian, and fedora. I wouldn't imagine a problem with kubuntu.
[05:10] <IvanTheViking> beavis : I don't see why it is hogging that much then
[05:10] <james_xxx> ok, i may go to walmart tonight yet, and get another card
[05:11] <Qbyte> James: If you have the same problems after a new fully supported graphics card is installed, I'd be surprised
[05:11] <james_xxx> but...i'll accidentally get some new , as of yet unsupported card lol
[05:11] <IvanTheViking> james : geforce FX 5200 's are cheap
[05:11] <IvanTheViking> and work well :-D
[05:11] <Qbyte> there ya go
[05:12] <IvanTheViking> james : before you go, pop open the machine, and see if you have an AGP or PCI-E slot for the graphics
[05:12] <james_xxx> IvanTheViking: would those still be in walmarts? ( i hate walmart, but they are still open )
[05:12] <Qbyte> use Ivan's credit card, too
[05:12] <Qbyte> ;)
[05:12] <sdolnack> who iss good wit zee amaroK?
[05:12] <IvanTheViking> Qbyte : touche ;)
[05:12] <Qbyte> lol
[05:12] <sdolnack> I want to make it show tracknumbers
[05:12] <sdolnack> nevermind
[05:12] <_john> hmm i cant find anything on kubuntu.org wikis or documentation about unlocking adept, any pointers or specifics would really be appreciated
[05:13] <sdolnack> but can anyone recommend a gui to encode flac files?
[05:13] <james_xxx> IvanTheViking: is it possible that a new desktop would NOT have those slots?
[05:13] <sdolnack> liek flac frontend but for linux?
[05:13] <Qbyte> _john: ps -A
[05:13] <Desh> Has anyone ever gotten Ragnarok Online to run in Linux?
[05:13] <Qbyte> look for the PID of the process and kill it
[05:13] <IvanTheViking> james : quite. It is a ghey dell
[05:13] <james_xxx> hmmm
[05:14] <james_xxx> IvanTheViking: i have no idea what to look for....
[05:15] <IvanTheViking> james : google pictures
[05:15] <james_xxx> ok
[05:16] <Desh> What is the most demanding 3d game I can find in Adept?
[05:16] <sdolnack> haha
[05:16] <sdolnack> 3d chess!!
[05:16] <sdolnack> j/k
[05:16] <_john> Qbyte: adept is not listed in the list of processes
[05:17] <Desh> Tribes does not load up :(
[05:17] <_john> I think there is a lock file somewhere
[05:17] <Desh> Neither does Ragnarok Online
[05:17] <IvanTheViking> if it has it : quake 2 or 3, doomsday, ut2004
[05:17] <Desh> Stupid bouncing icons
[05:17] <IvanTheViking> doomsday with all the foo crap turned on hits an fx5900 hard.
[05:17] <Desh> Hmm...Linux UT2004 demo....
[05:17] <Desh> Time to test how well my 3d works..
[05:18] <DaSkreech> mmm UT2007 linux demo
[05:19] <beavis> is there a process guide for kubuntu , so i can shut down whatever i dont need to free uo ram?
[05:19] <IvanTheViking> ksysguard
[05:19] <IvanTheViking> kill
[05:19] <Desh> Yeah, Tribes told me I needed 120mb of free Ram or something like that...
[05:20] <IvanTheViking> use with caution.
[05:20] <Desh> For video editing, I would need 3d rendering, no?
[05:20] <Qbyte> _john: check /var/cache/apt/archives
[05:21] <IvanTheViking> desh : no.
[05:21] <Desh> IvanTheKing: Oh, because Cinelerra ran like crap before.
[05:21] <Desh> On Breezy
[05:21] <Desh> *IvanTheViking o_O
[05:22] <james_xxx> IvanTheViking: this computer has 2 available card slots.... would they likely be AGP or PCI-E, or could they be something else?
[05:22] <IvanTheViking> That's odd, Desh.
[05:22] <IvanTheViking> james : send me a link to the dell page you got it from plz
[05:23] <Desh> Ok, I want to install Cinelerra, they have versions for Athlon and P4 processors, and i386 processors, I am running i386 kernel on 32bit Kubuntu on a 64bit AMD...
[05:23] <Desh> What should I use?
[05:23] <IvanTheViking> desh: I never did use that program, do you know what video output backend(s) it uses?
[05:23] <Desh> IvanTheViking: No clue
[05:23] <IvanTheViking> desh: athlon. Why 32 bit? Use the 64bits man, its faster
[05:24] <Desh> IvanTheViking: I would, but my WLAN driver is 32bit
[05:24] <james_xxx> IvanTheViking: http://configure.us.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?c=us&cs=19&l=en&oc=DB110C&s=dhs
[05:24] <Qbyte> I"m running 32 bit on the AMD64, too.  I didn't notice any real speed difference
[05:24] <IvanTheViking> Desh: what driver?
[05:24] <Qbyte> and I get better driver support for the laptop in 32 bit
[05:24] <beavis> IvanTheViking: so what does the cached ram mean and whats it for??
[05:24] <IvanTheViking> Qbyte : I have an AMD64 machine, when it comes to transcoding video, the difference is there.
[05:25] <IvanTheViking> everyday use, nah.
[05:25] <Qbyte> That's probably true - I don't game much on this thing and I don't do any editing, either
[05:25] <IvanTheViking> beavis : google, please ;) I am typing like a madman ;)
[05:25] <Qbyte> all of my games are on the windowz partition
[05:25] <Desh> IvanTheViking: Video driver?
[05:26] <l091548> good evening all
[05:26] <beavis> IvanTheViking: oookokokokok
[05:26] <NthDegree> Desh, AMD64 rocks only use other architectures on slackware or gentoo :)
[05:26] <IvanTheViking> Desh : nah, curious what WLAN driver is holding you up.
[05:26] <Qbyte> Google knows all
[05:26] <IvanTheViking> Gentoo is actually what I running now : shhh :-P
[05:26] <Desh> bcmwl5 or something like that.
[05:26] <IvanTheViking> hmm.
[05:26] <beemer> anyone know why my wireless (usb) is showing as eth2 instead of wlan0?
[05:26] <_john> Qbyte: there is tonnes of stuff .deb in var/cache/apt/archives
[05:26] <IvanTheViking> Not going to ndiswrapper a windows driver in ?
[05:26] <Qbyte> bcmwl5 is the broadcom wireless
[05:26] <Desh> Yeah.
[05:27] <Desh> It never worked when I tried 64bit Breezy
[05:27] <IvanTheViking> Ah, I am using ndiswrapper atm to use the windows driver on my acer laptop.
[05:27] <_john> I found and deleted 3 lock files from /var/lib/ apt aptitude and dpkg
[05:27] <Desh> And this was my gaming rig...I miss my Half Life 2
[05:27] <Qbyte> _john: any luck?
[05:27] <IvanTheViking> Desh : you try wine or cedega?
[05:28] <Desh> I tried wine for Tribes and Ragnarok Online, it didn't even open them up..
[05:28] <Desh> It does open up small stuff like the installer for RO or the setup, but not th actual game
[05:28] <_john> well I tried adept again and I get the database is locked
[05:28] <IvanTheViking> hmmm
[05:29] <Desh> _john: did you try from the Konsole: sudp apt-get update
[05:29] <IvanTheViking> Using the latest wine's from the winehq builds?
[05:29] <Desh> Yes.
[05:29] <IvanTheViking> hmm
[05:29] <IvanTheViking> No pointers either in the database either I imagine.
[05:29] <Desh> Not sure if the 3d acc may have something to do with it
[05:29] <IvanTheViking> I know my roomie had HL2 in linux.
[05:29] <Desh> :(!!!!!!!
[05:29] <james_xxx> IvanTheViking: i guess that link didn't really tell you much, huh
[05:30] <IvanTheViking> james : looking now, sorry.
[05:30] <james_xxx> IvanTheViking: no problem at all
[05:30] <Desh> What does it mean when you click install a package and it says: BREAK (install)
[05:31] <_john> well command line apt-get update seems to have started processing and just choked
[05:31] <Qbyte> Desh: it means that it will break a dependancy if you install it so it stops you
[05:32] <Desh> Oh...why would Cinelerra do that?
[05:32] <Desh> Sytupid Cinelerra..
[05:32] <Qbyte> One of the libs, maybe?
[05:32] <IvanTheViking> james_xxx : http://support.dell.com/support/edocs/systems/dim1100/en/SM/specs.htm#wp1076752
[05:32] <IvanTheViking> look for yourself ;)
[05:33] <_john> E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.
[05:33] <Qbyte> _john - and what happens when you run that command?
[05:33] <Desh> libmpeg3hv also would Break something...?
[05:33] <_john> so I run dpkg --configure -a    (i already did a sudo bash) and
[05:33] <Shaezsche> what exactly do newer kernels mean? do they add hardware support? is 2.6.12 too old?
[05:33] <Shaezsche> is it just stability fixes? security?
[05:33] <IvanTheViking> Many fixes in the kernel
[05:33] <_john> its gpoing through a long list of setting up
[05:34] <IvanTheViking> but, the rule is for kernels
[05:34] <IvanTheViking> if its working fine, leave it usually for now.
[05:34] <TheNewsman> ive lost all the toolbars in the chat window on kopete, how do i get em back =\
[05:34] <IvanTheViking> unless you *know* something is in there.
[05:34] <_john> without mentioning if it succeeded or not as it goes onto the next one
[05:34] <james_xxx> IvanTheViking: i take it that means that i DO have the necessary slots? (PCI)
[05:34] <Qbyte> www.kernel.org does a nice job or talking about the kernel changes
[05:34] <Shaezsche> well, do they add better hardware detection?
[05:35] <_john> every thinf it is setting up has this beside it   3.5.3-0ubuntu0.1
[05:35] <Shaezsche> or is that the external application's job
[05:35] <_john> is that correct for dappper
[05:35] <IvanTheViking> james : wrong again. You have standard PCI slots. Those suck for video. You *can* find PCI low end Geforce cards, but the performance isn't hot. The intel graphics aren't any good anyways, so I would think it would be an upgrade anyways.
[05:36] <Qbyte> wow, not a good scenario, James
[05:36] <Qbyte> now you know why the system was so cheap
[05:36] <IvanTheViking> Exactly
[05:36] <IvanTheViking> its a un-upgradeable machine
[05:36] <james_xxx> IvanTheViking: what really sucks is the fact that 3D graphics DO work on here with kubuntu.... for a week or so... then quit for no apparent reason
[05:37] <Qbyte> _john, I'd only worry if you get errors
[05:37] <IvanTheViking> james : you get any errors in dmesg?
[05:37] <IvanTheViking> or for that matter, in a console when you run 3d apps
[05:37] <james_xxx> IvanTheViking: i do not know what to look for
[05:37] <_john> do you mean like this one Resolving aleron.dl.sourceforge.net... failed: Connection timed out
[05:37] <Desh> Hmm...I wonder how well VIsta Beta 2 works.
[05:37] <IvanTheViking> james : open a console.
[05:37] <IvanTheViking> type in dmesg | more
[05:37] <Qbyte> James: is it possible that it's the video card being flaky and not the OS?
[05:37] <IvanTheViking> read away.
[05:37] <Qbyte> it IS a cheap computer
[05:38] <IvanTheViking> also, check the xorg logs in /var/log (usually where they are, kubuntu might be different)
[05:38] <Desh> WHY WONT UT2004 DEMO DOWNLOAD!!??
[05:38] <Qbyte> because your caplocks are on? ;)
[05:38] <IvanTheViking> Desh : try manually installing it.
[05:38] <_john> or perhaps this error  All done, errors in processing 1 file(s)
[05:38] <_john> dpkg: error processing msttcorefonts (--configure): subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
[05:38] <Desh> No actually I used shift then
[05:39] <Qbyte> lol
[05:39] <Qbyte> ok
[05:40] <_john> its since gone on to more of the setting up stuff
[05:40] <Qbyte> _john: I'd just let it do what it's doing and try running adept again once it's done
[05:41] <Qbyte> ignore any errors unless it doesn't fix it
[05:41] <Desh> >_<
[05:43] <sdolnack> does anyone know how to make the progress bar wider in amaroK?
[05:43] <sdolnack> it's waay too small
[05:44] <Ranma2264> Hi to all Im using kde 3.5.3 How do i get icons in system tray to display in two rows instead of one?
[05:44] <james_xxx> ok i am just going to re-install kubuntu again.... the idea that this graphics card works for a while and then quits is retarted
[05:44] <_john> well how about that - Adept seems to be running but it looks different than last week
[05:45] <IvanTheViking> james_xxx : it'll just shite out again.
[05:45] <NthDegree> i prefer synaptic
[05:45] <james_xxx> IvanTheViking: that makes no sense. if it works, it shoud work
[05:45] <IvanTheViking> james_xxx: finding out why is the key, have you tried to google a solution?
[05:45] <IvanTheViking> james_xxx: I agree. I think it might be a bad card. Did you update something before it died?
[05:46] <james_xxx> IvanTheViking: the card has no issues in windows
[05:46] <Hikaru79> How can I disable some of the tty's that are on by default? Kubuntu seems to come with like 6 of them, when I only need one or two. How can I turn the rest off? Anyone know? Thanks in advance =)
[05:46] <IvanTheViking> james_xxx: always is the case with dells
[05:46] <IvanTheViking> james_xxx : google your card linux and see what comes up
[05:47] <james_xxx> IvanTheViking:  there is an actual linux driver for this card made by intel, but i do not know how to install it
[05:47] <_john> ok so I cant find koffice in this adept
[05:48] <james_xxx> IvanTheViking: i am also unsure if i should install it lol
[05:48] <_john> there are several openoffice.org packages but no koffice
[05:48] <IvanTheViking> james_xxx : I agree. run lsmod in a console, see if the intel driver is installed. If not, install it, and change your xorg.conf file
[05:48] <IvanTheViking> james_xxx: if your gui dies, then you'd reinstall linux anyways, right? :-P
[05:48] <_john> was koffice removed from dapper?
[05:49] <RawSewage> it's not in Dapper.  I dont know if it was removed
[05:50] <RawSewage> I dont remember it being in Breezy
[05:50] <michelleindeed> Ivan, Breezy is the one I have, yes?
[05:50] <RawSewage> oh wait, I only had Gnome in Breezy
[05:50] <IvanTheViking> yes michelle.
[05:51] <james_xxx> when i run lsmod, it says "agpgart                34888  2 intel_agp" what does that mean?
[05:51] <IvanTheViking> michelle, we'll update your install of kubuntu next week to the newest one.
[05:51] <michelleindeed> Can you upgrade me to Dapper next week,
[05:51] <IvanTheViking> intel_agp is the intel agp driver
[05:51] <michelleindeed> Nevermind, you read my brain.
[05:51] <rredd4> when I install kubuntu, is there a way to install the 686 kernel instead of the 386 kernel?
[05:51] <IvanTheViking> agpgart is what linux uses to communicate with video card on agp.
[05:51] <james_xxx> IvanTheViking: so it does not mean i have an agp slot?
[05:52] <IvanTheViking> james_xxx: it means there's an AGP bus on the motherboard, you're using AGP, there's just no slot to tap into it.
[05:52] <michelleindeed> Did you ever figure out what the issue with my webcam is? Or is it just that's it's so cheapo?
[05:52] <james_xxx> gotcha
[05:52] <IvanTheViking> james_xxx : | grep intel of that thing.
[05:52] <IvanTheViking> michelle : its a crappy cam, could be the driver.
[05:53] <Reivec> has anyone tried installing kubuntu 6.06 on a system running raid 1 that already has XP loaded?  I would like to dual boot and not have to mess up what I currently have (partitions are already made)
[05:54] <magicbronson> off-topic (sorry): can anyone recommend a good place to sell my kubuntu machine?
[05:55] <_john> is there an automonut of some sort for the floppy drive?
[05:56] <IvanTheViking> michelle : see if anyone here has an issue with it ;)
[05:56] <Lord_Devi> How does a person release the apt-get database if it's locked again? (adept crashed earlier and now i can't use it)
[05:56] <michelleindeed> I don't even know what kind of a cam I have ;)
[05:57] <sdolnack> anyone have a good suggestion for a FLAC encoder gui?
[05:57] <_john> E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.
[05:57] <_john> Lord_Devi: I had the same prob;lem
[05:57] <Lord_Devi> Oh ok. and ALL that does is reinit the database?
[05:57] <IvanTheViking> sdolnack : for cd ripping or for just straight .wav encoding?
[05:57] <sdolnack> wav encoding
[05:57] <sdolnack> for cd ripping im gonna use EAC in my winxp partition
[05:57] <_john> Lord_Devi: on the command line I htink you need to sudo apt-get update
[05:57] <_john> first
[05:58] <IvanTheViking> sdolnack : you can just use grip in linux to do the same, and flac it right in there.
[05:58] <IvanTheViking> EAC is an awesome program though.
[05:58] <sdolnack> yeah but it's not as secure as EAC
[05:58] <_john> then the dpkg --configure -a
[05:58] <sdolnack> only eac rips with regards to caching audio data
[05:58] <IvanTheViking> I realize this, it is the only program I miss from windows, really.
[05:58] <sdolnack> awwww
[05:58] <sdolnack> so i guess it doens't run in wine?
[05:58] <sdolnack> like friggin LDC++
[05:59] <sdolnack> which is the program I miss most myself
[05:59] <IvanTheViking> Not that I know of.
[05:59] <IvanTheViking> The thing needs raw hardware access iirc.
[05:59] <IvanTheViking> and to flac, I just use the command line anyways :-P
[05:59] <sdolnack> http://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?versionId=3699
[05:59] <sdolnack> surprise
[05:59] <sdolnack> how do i do batch files though?
[05:59] <magicbronson> someone here recommended DVD rip-o-matic to me for backing up my dvd's. i see a download link on the kde-apps.org page (http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=21455), but is there some way to find out if it's packaged in some repo so i can track it?
[05:59] <_john> so im trying to install openoffice with adept and I just go this error
[05:59] <sdolnack> write a script?
[05:59] <IvanTheViking> Sweet!
[05:59] <_john> There was an error commiting changes. Possibly there was a problem downloading some packages or the commit would break packages.
[05:59] <IvanTheViking> Last year around this time it didn't work!
[05:59] <Lord_Devi> _john: Hrm, according to the manpage that configures all unconfigured packages..
[06:00] <IvanTheViking> yes, script I think
[06:00] <r0xz> i am trying to encode from CLI and LAME complains with: "lame: -e emp must be n/5/c not set"  I am lost... if anyone has a clue please ping me
[06:00] <Lord_Devi> i think i did that before, and it buggered up my kubuntu install
[06:00] <talljon84> Evening all-   What package provides the xmodmap.us file? xmodmap doesn't appear to...
[06:00] <_john> well it worked fro me after doing the apt-get update first
[06:00] <Lord_Devi> for some reason, something i answered while running that dpkg --configure -a, made it so udev stopped working properly among other things :(
[06:00] <IvanTheViking> sdolnack: now how to make it use flac and oggenc from linux ;)
[06:01] <sdolnack> haha yeah!
[06:01] <Lord_Devi> Well I'm sure it's cuz i answered something wrong. I just wish I knew what it was, lol
[06:01] <sdolnack> i just downloaded tarballs of both oggenc aotuv 4.51 beta
[06:01] <sdolnack> and the LAME 3.97b2
[06:01] <sdolnack> but have no clue what to do from there yet
[06:01] <IvanTheViking> I don't think you need to use tarballs
[06:01] <sdolnack> for lame?
[06:01] <IvanTheViking> you should be able to install the packages.
[06:01] <sdolnack> really?
[06:01] <sdolnack> or oggenc
[06:01] <sdolnack> no shit
[06:02] <IvanTheViking> oggenc is already on ubuntu
[06:02] <IvanTheViking> as should be flac
[06:02] <sdolnack> flac is yes
[06:02] <IvanTheViking> those are Open source ;)
[06:02] <IvanTheViking> lame.. enh. Mp3 laws and all might not
[06:02] <sdolnack> it's lame 3.96.1
[06:02] <sdolnack> hmm
[06:02] <sdolnack> i gues stha'td do
[06:02] <IvanTheViking> it'll work fine.
[06:02] <IvanTheViking> mp3 encoding hasn't changed much
[06:03] <IvanTheViking> might save .001% better.
[06:03] <sdolnack> i must say i was thrilled to find flac support outta the box on kubuntu
[06:03] <sdolnack> i'm actually listneing to a live Talking Heads recording as we speak
[06:03] <sdolnack> or type.  whatever.
[06:03] <IvanTheViking> indeed.
[06:03] <IvanTheViking> Most linux distros should have it I think.
[06:03] <IvanTheViking> Gentoo doesn't, but that's a different story.
[06:03] <IvanTheViking> EAC with CDRDAO support.
[06:03] <IvanTheViking> Define irony in installing that.
[06:04] <Desh> WHAT!?
[06:04] <Desh> Why would there be an error extracting an archive?
[06:04] <IvanTheViking> Bad archive.
[06:04] <Desh> :(!!!!!!!!!!
[06:04] <Desh> The world hates me..
[06:04] <sdolnack> sorry charlie
[06:04] <sdolnack> omg
[06:04] <beavis> i would be happy if i could get a raid running in kubuntu , mandrive has such a good installer but crappy system
[06:05] <sdolnack> (wrong window)
[06:08] <IvanTheViking> Giah, wine 0.9.14 and eac aren't liking each other.
[06:08] <sdolnack> how the hell is it working accessing the drive and all?
[06:09] <IvanTheViking> it isn't
[06:09] <IvanTheViking> I get a wine error trying to boot it.
[06:10] <IvanTheViking> unhandled exception.
[06:10] <IvanTheViking> grrr.
[06:10] <IvanTheViking> its gold on older versions, I am going to roll back
[06:11] <beavis> anyone in here got a software raid to work ??
[06:11] <stevekl> Day changed to 09 Jun 2006 HAPPY BIRTHDAY MOM
[06:14] <sheldonc> ?
[06:14] <Desh> Rawr?
[06:14] <sheldonc> wondering what kind of script stevekl is running
[06:15] <Desh> 1000 FPS in glxgears = good?
[06:15] <Desh> And why am I not getting 4000 like I did before?
[06:16] <_john> darn it adept keeps trying to install the corefonts andale32.exe   and then complainst about msttcorefonts.   how do I fix this or where do I get those fonts installed or tell adept to stop trying to isntall it
[06:16] <Desh> _john, that's the end result of the porno-virus -_-
[06:17] <Desh> :-P Umm you vould blacklist it
[06:17] <Desh> *could - If you're on Dapper that is
[06:18] <_john> no its micro-soft true-type fonts
[06:18] <_john> but maybe that andale is seperate
[06:19] <IvanTheViking> peace everyone.
[06:19] <_john> so then theres 2 problems andale and msttcorefonts
[06:20] <_john> where can I font the pacakge msttcorefonts for download and then local install
[06:21] <unix_infidel> hey guys, when i run mc inside of aterm it doesnt work too well with garbled output.
[06:21] <unix_infidel> but if i run it in xterm or on console.
[06:21] <unix_infidel> works fine...any ideas?
[06:22] <defrysk> unix_infidel, stop using aterm ?
[06:24] <lasindi[newton] > Hi all, I'm trying to set up my Kubuntu machine as a Samba server. I've got basically everything working, but I want to change the workgroup name. I know how to do this in the smb.conf file, but is there a way to do it through the pretty GUI in System Settings?
[06:25] <Healot> hey buntuans
[06:27] <beavis> does anyone have a link to a guide for installing XGL/Compiz on ATI cards?
[06:27] <CellarDoor> !xgl
[06:27] <ubotu> it has been said that xgl is "XGL on Ubuntu: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CompositeManager - Join #ubuntu-xgl for all the XGL fun on Ubuntu systems.  Pretty videos on http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease/"
[06:28] <DaSkreech> Someone should really have a stats module on ubotu to see what it gets asked the most
[06:28] <DaSkreech> I vote for !XGL
[06:29] <CellarDoor> heh
[06:29] <beavis> ty
[06:29] <defrysk> DaSkreech, that would be an off topic funtion
[06:29] <defrysk> so no go
[06:29] <DaSkreech> defrysk: Huh?
[06:29] <CellarDoor> I've installed kubuntu 6.06, next xgl
[06:29] <Desh> What is xgl?
[06:30] <Desh> !xgl
[06:30] <ubotu> xgl is, like, "XGL on Ubuntu: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CompositeManager - Join #ubuntu-xgl for all the XGL fun on Ubuntu systems.  Pretty videos on http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease/"
[06:30] <beavis> its something cool
[06:30] <beavis> like cool windows atc
[06:30] <kosh> opengl accelerated x system
[06:30] <Desh> Hmm?
[06:30] <Desh> Like Windows Aero?
[06:30] <kosh> it allows more of the processing of the desktop to be offloaded from the cpu to the graphics cards
[06:30] <beavis> yeah something like that
[06:30] <Desh> I want that!
[06:30] <DaSkreech> defrysk: Fun ton?
[06:30] <Desh> Where can I get it?
[06:31] <defrysk> DaSkreech, function
[06:31] <beavis> read the xgi guide , it will tell you where to get it and how
[06:31] <DaSkreech> defrysk: What would be an off topic function?
[06:31] <Desh> Adept :)
[06:31] <beavis> you have ati or nvidia card?
[06:31] <Desh> ATI
[06:32] <beavis> damn me too
[06:32] <Desh> :_P
[06:32] <beavis> i cant find a good guide for ati
 Someone should really have a stats module on ubotu to see what it gets asked the most
[06:32] <DaSkreech> defrysk: Right
[06:32] <Desh> beavis, for 3d acceleration?
[06:33] <DaSkreech> defrysk: Why is that offtopic?
[06:33] <Desh> and opengl
[06:33] <defrysk> DaSkreech, nm
[06:34] <sdolnack> oh---my god
[06:34] <sdolnack> i just drag/dropped amaroK from the taskbar to another desktop
[06:34] <sdolnack> this linux thing
[06:34] <sdolnack> it rules so hardcore
[06:34] <Desh> Hahaha.
[06:36] <mbm1980> Hello, I have a problem with having no sound. I tracked the problem, it seems that my main audio device is the one on my TV capture card (which only outputs to video) and not my onboard device, where do I change the device ALSA/OSS uses?
[06:37] <defrysk> mbm1980, turn off the onboard sound in your bios
[06:37] <beavis> Desh: i found it
[06:37] <defrysk> mbm1980, sorry misread your q
[06:38] <mbm1980> defrysk: Why would I want that? I need to output the sound through that as that is my only option. The TV turner doesn't output anything except video.
[06:38] <beavis> Desh: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=131253
[06:38] <mbm1980> defrysk: okay =)
[06:39] <mbm1980> defrysk: I've seen the 'Override device location' option in the system settings dialog, however, I have no clue where my onboard device is locate.
[06:40] <defrysk> mbm1980, mybe its the opposite and you need to turn it ON in your bios
[06:40] <defrysk> the on board sound card that is
[06:40] <Desh_> :(
[06:40] <Desh_> My screen went blank randomly!!!!
[06:40] <defrysk> anyway , gotto walk the dog
[06:41] <mbm1980> defrysk: Nope, because I can select it in KMix, turn up and down the volumes, still the active device is the TV tuner.
[06:41] <mbm1980> defrysk: okay, have a nice  walk =)
[06:42] <defrysk> mbm1980, I'm sure it can be fixed tho :)
[06:42] <mbm1980> ...if there just were a way to list hardware devices and their location in /dev... *scrathes head*
[06:43] <unix_infidel> When i try to run mc in aterm i get really garbled output.  But when i run it in xterm or in console i get standard output.
[06:43] <CellarDoor> could someone remind me what the command is to check if my nvidia card is being used ?
[06:43] <unix_infidel> does anyone know of why this could be happening.
[06:44] <mbm1980> glxinfo I think
[06:44] <_john> hey there does anyone know what to do about an interface glitch in adept
[06:45] <_john> it says installation complete but its still isntalling more software
[06:45] <CellarDoor> how do I set direct rendering to be on again ?
[06:45] <CellarDoor> I have forgotten :P
[06:45] <_john> it says installation complete because it choked on msttcorefonts which gave a window for OK
[06:45] <_john> this is the 5 time
[06:46] <unix_infidel> anyone>
[06:46] <_john> but the 2nd last time i didnt click ok and got to watch the remainder of packages get installed
[06:47] <CellarDoor> !nvidia
[06:47] <ubotu> methinks nvidia is Help about installing the nVidia drivers on Ubuntu can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[06:49] <_john> hey the bug report link under the help menu opens a window for Destroyer but the launch wizard button does nothing
[06:49] <_john> 8^(
[06:52] <hektisk> hello...usually when I go to System Settings->Display and try to log into 'Administrator Mode' the box asking me for the root password doesn't appear.  The AM button becomes grayed out, and there's a red outline around where the tabs/settings should be, but there's nothing there and there's no where for me to type my password so I can't change any settings...anyone know why this is happening, or how I can fix this problem?
[06:56] <Desh_> !xgl
[06:56] <ubotu> rumour has it, xgl is "XGL on Ubuntu: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CompositeManager - Join #ubuntu-xgl for all the XGL fun on Ubuntu systems.  Pretty videos on http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease/"
[06:57] <RawSewage> Qt: 3.3.6
[06:57] <RawSewage> KDE: 3.5.2
[06:57] <RawSewage> kde-config: 1.0
[06:57] <RawSewage> will Kubuntu give us 3.5.3 and the latest Amarok soon
[06:57] <RawSewage> or do we do it manually
[06:57] <root_____> Evening all.  Anyone had trouble getting custom keyboard shortcuts working in dapper?  For example, I mapped ALT+1 to switch to desktop 1, ALT+2 to desk 2, etc.  Won't take hold.
[06:59] <DaSkreech> !kde4
[06:59] <GliderMike> Also, selecting "double click to open files and folders" in mouse settings is set but behavior still stays on single click
[06:59] <ubotu> somebody said kde4 was http://www.canllaith.org/svn-features/kde4.html
[06:59] <TheHonk> i'm loving moving from windows to ubuntu, i've got tons of apps up now, but can i get an itunes replacement for ubuntu 6.06?
[06:59] <DaSkreech> RawSewage: Check http://www.kubuntu.org
[06:59] <RawSewage> ok
[07:00] <Desh_> :-O I want xgl, but I'm too lazy to set it up, why can;t I just get it from adept and bam, make it work.
[07:00] <RawSewage> you mean XGL and Compiz
[07:00] <r0xz> KsCD doesn't give me any sound, and so does grip. Is there a package i should install?
[07:01] <DaSkreech> Desh_: That would be Edgy
[07:01] <Desh_> Argh.
[07:01] <DaSkreech> Desh if you want it that bad then jump to edgy :)
[07:01] <Desh_> Does it work on Mobility Radeon 9700?
[07:02] <Desh_> And like, is it it's own GUI like KDE and Gnome, or an addon?
[07:02] <DaSkreech> Desh_: :-) Wow
[07:03] <Desh_> :(
[07:03] <Desh_> You know, you don;t have to make me feel dumb..
[07:03] <Desh_> :-P
[07:03] <DaSkreech> Desh_: ok You have an X server
[07:03] <Desh_> Right.
[07:03] <DaSkreech> Desh_: Which serves up windows but as points
[07:04] <Desh_> Ok.
[07:04] <DaSkreech> LIke this corner is at X,y this corner is X,y
[07:04] <DaSkreech> Then you have a window manager on top of that
[07:04] <TheHonk> is there an iTunes replacement for ubuntu that'll synch w/ my ipod?
[07:04] <Desh_> Oh, like Kde and Gnome?
[07:04] <DaSkreech> That draws it as well as gives it butons and a title bar etc
[07:04] <DaSkreech> TheHonk: Amarok
[07:04] <TheHonk> sweet
[07:04] <DaSkreech> Desh_: Not quite
[07:04] <Desh_> I see, Xorg would be the X server, right?
[07:05] <DaSkreech> Desh_: Like kwin or Blackbox
[07:05] <Ashex> My Package management system appears to have been broken by java: http://pastebin.com/769121
[07:05] <DaSkreech> Desh_: Correct
[07:05] <DaSkreech> On top of that you have a desktop which is a bunch of connected applications, control panels and HIGs
[07:05] <Desh_> So, if I use KDE, what would that be?
[07:05] <DaSkreech> Like Gnome or KDE
[07:06] <CellarDoor> Hello again all
[07:06] <Desh_> I used Blackbox once on another LiveCD...
[07:06] <TheHonk> thanks DaSkreech
[07:06] <DaSkreech> So it's XServer -> Window Manager -> Desktop
[07:06] <Ashex> anyone have any ideas?
[07:06] <click_wilson> hi again all
[07:06] <DaSkreech> TheHonk: No problem
[07:06] <Desh_> So what is Kubuntu's window manager?
[07:06] <DaSkreech> Desh_: Right Blackbox has no libraries or guidelines
[07:06] <DaSkreech> Kwin
[07:06] <Desh_> I see...
[07:06] <DaSkreech> Hi _amy_
[07:06] <Desh_> So where does Xgl fall in this?
[07:07] <DaSkreech> So XGL is a new Xorg
[07:07] <DaSkreech> it replaces it
[07:07] <Desh_> :-O!
[07:07] <Desh_> Badass.
[07:07] <DaSkreech> then you have a window manager and desktop on top of it
[07:07] <CellarDoor> I'm currently working my way through the instructions on how to install xgl on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CompositeManager/Xgl and it says I need to do a dist upgrade... Do I really need to do that if I already have dapper installed ?
[07:07] <DaSkreech> Desh_: Kinda badass :)
[07:07] <DaSkreech> CellarDoor: Yes
[07:07] <RawSewage> is xgl faster?
[07:07] <DaSkreech> Desh_: one second
[07:07] <Desh_> You need to get Edgy?
[07:07] <_john> nite all
[07:07] <DaSkreech> RawSewage: At some things
[07:07] <RawSewage> one second faster?
[07:07] <Desh_> :-O
[07:07] <Desh_> Nite
[07:08] <DaSkreech> Desh_: No It works on Dapper
[07:08] <RawSewage> hm
[07:08] <CellarDoor> DaSkreech: ok... do I need to install kubuntu-desktop ?
[07:08] <DaSkreech> CellarDoor: Dist-upgrade doesn't just upgrade toa new distro
[07:08] <CellarDoor> DaSkreech: ok
[07:08] <DaSkreech> What it does it replace entire sub-systems with new ones
[07:09] <DaSkreech> CellarDoor: Since you are replacing XOrg with XGL you need to dist-upgrade
[07:09] <TheHonk> is there a quick shortcut for moving my focused window to another workspace?
[07:09] <DaSkreech> That way they don't try to run at the same time
[07:09] <Desh_> So, if I have 3d now, I MAY screw it up with Xgl?
[07:09] <DaSkreech> TheHonk: Right click and move it or drag the taskbar entry to the desktop you want
[07:09] <CellarDoor> DaSkreech: thanks for that, youre most helpful and informative :)
[07:09] <DaSkreech> CellarDoor: Sure
[07:10] <sdolnack> ok, it says Swiftfox is my default browser
[07:10] <sdolnack> yet links in other apps open in Konqueror
[07:10] <sdolnack> how do i change this
[07:10] <DaSkreech> Desh_: ok So once you have an Accelerated X server you need to have a window manager that understands it (to take advantage of it)
[07:10] <TheHonk> i agree, thanks again DaSkreech, you're helping us all move away from windwos
[07:10] <DaSkreech> :-)
[07:10] <TheHonk> Gates can suck it
[07:10] <DaSkreech> sdolnack: Umm there is a default apps somewhere in System settings
[07:10] <Ashex> So nobody knows how to solve this? http://pastebin.com/769121
[07:11] <sdolnack> and that's another thing
[07:11] <Desh_> DaSkreech: Such as Kwin?
[07:11] <sdolnack> should iuse system settings or kcontrol?
[07:11] <DaSkreech> Desh_: Right except kwin doesn't understand it yet
[07:11] <DaSkreech> however compiz does
[07:11] <Desh_> Ah, I see.
[07:12] <Desh_> Can KDE run on compiz?
[07:12] <DaSkreech> so we can either move over to compiz or port the compiz capabilites to Kwin
[07:12] <DaSkreech> Desh_: see thats the beauty :) the desktops have a window manager standard
[07:12] <Desh_> You mean, to make Xgl run on Dapper?
[07:12] <CellarDoor> distro upgrade in progress
[07:12] <Desh_> Or for Edgy?
[07:12] <DaSkreech> as long as the window manager complies any desktop can use it
[07:13] <DaSkreech> compiz complies :) so you can just swap out kwin for compiz :)
[07:13] <DaSkreech> sdolnack: they are the same thing
[07:13] <Desh_> Ah, that's good. Is there anywhere I can see a video of Xgl in action?
[07:13] <CellarDoor> ok thats done... now to the next bit
[07:13] <DaSkreech> sdolnack: Different interfaces. Whichever you like better
[07:13] <DaSkreech> !xgl
[07:13] <ubotu> xgl is, like, totally, "XGL on Ubuntu: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CompositeManager - Join #ubuntu-xgl for all the XGL fun on Ubuntu systems.  Pretty videos on http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease/"
[07:13] <DaSkreech> Petty videos :)
[07:14] <Desh_> Thanks. :)
[07:14] <DaSkreech> Pretty even
[07:14] <CellarDoor> I'm up to "Selecting Xgl packages" now :D
[07:15] <TheHonk> read/write access for NTFS volumes (non-raid)?  I've tried a couple and they don't seem to work
[07:15] <CellarDoor> I'll bypass the 'install nvidia-glx' bit as I've already installed that
[07:15] <sdolnack> how do i add files to a .zip folder again?
[07:15] <CellarDoor> or do I need to do that again ?
[07:15] <CellarDoor> :/
[07:16] <CellarDoor> nevermind
[07:16] <sdolnack> how do i zip whole folders
[07:17] <DaSkreech> ubotu: tell TheHonk about NTFS
[07:17] <_amy_> ok how do I even find my source.list file
[07:17] <DaSkreech> sdolnack: Right click archive I think
[07:17] <DaSkreech> _amy_: /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:17] <TheHonk> :-) thanks again!
[07:17] <Healot> in Kubuntu, there is option to "compress" your file... the popup menu on directory "Archive"
[07:17] <DeathGuppie> blah.. the installer, failed to set up a swap space.. I'm hoping it created a swap partition..
[07:18] <CellarDoor> _amy_: and if you forget, you can always type "sources" in konquerors address bar and it will find anything on your system that has "sources" in it for you so you can find it easily if you forget the path
[07:18] <DeathGuppie> splat.. still detecting filesystems..
[07:19] <DeathGuppie> me to..
[07:20] <admin_> ol, algum de meu idioma?
[07:20] <DaSkreech> !es
[07:20] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[07:20] <DeathGuppie> all I want is denormgen.. I couldn't get it to work on amd64, so I'm firing up my old dual 1500mhz athlon.. and I was hopin kubuntu would be a fast installer..
[07:20] <admin_> Portugus/Brasil
[07:21] <Healot> !pt
[07:21] <ubotu> Por favor use #ubuntu-br (/j #ubuntu-br) ou #ubuntu-pt (/j #ubuntu-pt) para ajuda em portugues. Obrigada.
[07:21] <Healot> Pro Favor... admin_
[07:21] <Desh__> Ugh there's this file on my desktop that when I try to delete it says the file doesn't exist!!
[07:21] <admin_> #ubuntu-br
[07:21] <Healot> !br
[07:21] <ubotu> Por favor use #ubuntu-br (/j #ubuntu-br) para ajuda em portugues. Obrigada.
[07:22] <DeathGuppie> that means your in a time warp somewhere.. hit CTRL-shift in your brain and it will work again..
[07:23] <DeathGuppie> or you could try to delet it from the command line..
[07:23] <sdolnack> what can you peeps tell me about the Paragon NTFS driver
[07:24] <Ashex> what's the location of the repositories list?
[07:24] <admin_> #ubuntu-br
[07:24] <admin_> como entro no #ubuntu-br
[07:24] <Healot> no one in there? admin_?
[07:25] <DaSkreech> Ashex: /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:26] <Ashex> Thanks DaSkreech
[07:26] <sdolnack> so how long's it look like until we get native ntfs write support?
[07:26] <DaSkreech> sdolnack: Right after Microsoft turns over the specs or the code
[07:27] <_amy_> ok now I am updating what exactly is Xgl
[07:27] <_amy_> in neebie terms plz
[07:27] <leafw> Hi all. In dapper, right-click on a window frame enables to make the window borderless. It says: you can restore through the special windows operations shortcut, but then it lists no shortcut between the parenthesis!
[07:27] <DaSkreech> Desh__: You wanna take that one?
[07:27] <admin_> (#ubuntu-br)
[07:27] <admin_> alguem pode me ajudar?
[07:28] <DaSkreech> leafw: try Alt+f3
[07:29] <leafw> d
[07:29] <DaSkreech> admin_: alguem is cannot?
[07:29] <Desh__> Xgl = :-O!
[07:29] <sdolnack> are you serious daskreech?  i thought they were devloping it apart from MS
[07:29] <sdolnack> who will probably never cooperate
[07:29] <leafw> DaSkreech : never midn, in System SEttings / Regional and Acc / Keyuboard / keyboard shortuts global one can set it.
[07:30] <DaSkreech> sdolnack: Sarcasm is lost on you huh? :)
[07:30] <sdolnack> that didn't sound sarcastic!!
[07:30] <sdolnack> sarcasm doens't work in irc
[07:30] <sdolnack> hah
[07:30] <sdolnack> im the most sarcastic fuck you'll ever meet
[07:30] <sdolnack> sorry
[07:30] <sdolnack> person
[07:30] <sdolnack> most sarcastic person
[07:30] <DaSkreech> sdolnack: Thank you
[07:30] <sdolnack> sometimes my best friends can't even tell when i'm joking
[07:30] <Healot> sdolnack, you haven't met RMS?
[07:30] <sdolnack> RMS?
[07:30] <DaSkreech> JorgeLuis: Ask. I'll try and help :(
[07:31] <DaSkreech> JorgeLuis: http://babelfish.altavista.com/tr will have to suffice
[07:32] <sdolnack> uhh gaim keeps crashing when i send files!
[07:32] <DaSkreech> _amy_: Great and Desh went afk
[07:32] <_amy_> lol
[07:33] <_amy_> i did the apt-get and got it
[07:33] <_amy_> but now I have no idea what to do with it
[07:33] <DaSkreech> You read !xgl?
[07:34] <_amy_> ???
[07:34] <DaSkreech> ubotu: tell _amy_ about XGL
[07:34] <Desh_afk> !xgl
[07:34] <ubotu> I heard xgl is "XGL on Ubuntu: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CompositeManager - Join #ubuntu-xgl for all the XGL fun on Ubuntu systems.  Pretty videos on http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease/"
[07:34] <Desh_afk> :-P
[07:35] <sdolnack> what the heck is the big todo about xgl
[07:35] <sdolnack> its apprently not stable
[07:35] <sdolnack> and slows your system to a crawl
[07:35] <Desh_afk> But it's cool.
[07:35] <sdolnack> wtf is with it
[07:35] <Desh_afk> :-P
[07:36] <sdolnack> ...but it's so SO impractical!!
[07:36] <DaSkreech> sdolnack: Look at the videos from the novell link on what ubotu said
[07:36] <Desh_afk> That guy's system seemed to run fine...
[07:36] <_amy_> I like it
[07:36] <_amy_> wanna try it
[07:36] <Desh_afk> Well yeah, Windows Aero is impractical, but people like that crap.
[07:36] <DaSkreech> sdolnack: It's impractical right now. The idea is very practiacl
[07:36] <DaSkreech> Desh_afk: It's the same thing actually :)
[07:36] <lowtech> probably fine on a high end machine
[07:37] <Desh_afk> DaSkreech: No Aero lets you move windows, I don;t think it does the cube thing.
[07:37] <DaSkreech> lowtech: Nope it works on laptops with a built in video card
[07:37] <Desh_afk> The cube > rotatable windows
[07:37] <DaSkreech> Desh_afk: doesn't matter about the cube thing that has nothing to do with XGL
[07:37] <lowtech> what speed laptops?
[07:37] <DaSkreech> Thats the window manager
[07:37] <Desh_afk> WHAT!?
[07:37] <Desh_afk> What's the cube thing?
[07:37] <Desh_afk> :-O
[07:37] <DaSkreech> The window manager
[07:37] <sdolnack> wait then what's xgl then?!?
[07:37] <DaSkreech> It does that effect
[07:38] <sdolnack> i thoguht that's what xgl was
[07:38] <Desh_afk> I want that.
[07:38] <sdolnack> the rotating cube
[07:38] <DaSkreech>  What XGL is doing is making the video card do the calculations so that it's accelerated
[07:38] <Desh_afk> I want the cube thingy.
[07:38] <DaSkreech> You can do any 3d effect you want
[07:38] <azathoth> Xcellerated Graphics Library
[07:38] <lowtech> somehow i don't think it would be worth it on a 1GHz with i815 video
[07:39] <azathoth> uses your graphics card to do the onscreen rendering legwork...
[07:39] <sdolnack> it seems all glitz though
[07:39] <sdolnack> w/ no real purpose other than to look cool
[07:39] <sdolnack> and hog resources
[07:39] <DaSkreech> lowtech: Probably not but the cool thing is you can run it (same as running X for ram) it would use less CPU power and you can turn off all the effects you don't want/need/can't handle
[07:39] <azathoth> oh it is, but if you have a geforce 7800 that you only use for gaming, why not use it on the desktop too?
[07:39] <DaSkreech> sdolnack: it has uses
[07:40] <lowtech> DaSkreech: exactly, so no real point in it for me
[07:40] <azathoth> your desktop will be faster too as it takes any rendering away from the cpu and straight to the gpu, so everything is more repsonsive and less prone to getting bogged down by heavy apps
[07:40] <DaSkreech> sdolnack: For example all the research in video cards are in the 3d realm so you get to use all that stuff for free and makes the computer more efficent
[07:40] <Desh_afk> Glx gears never gets old...
[07:40] <Desh_afk> Can I make Glxgears run faster?
[07:41] <DaSkreech> lowtech: I'm not saying you have to use it :) I'm just saying that it's useful for some people and they can use it on low end hardware
[07:41] <Healot> Desh_afk: buy a faster graphics accelerator
[07:41] <lowtech> speaking of glxgears, is there a way to get it to show the FPS?
[07:41] <Desh_afk> No I mean make the gears spin faster?
[07:41] <sdolnack> maybe i config'd it wrong
[07:41] <DaSkreech> Healot: You can't always do that
[07:41] <sdolnack> i have a dell insprion 9300 with i think a 128 mb Radeon x300
[07:41] <sdolnack> a gig of ram
[07:42] <Healot> Desh_afk: glxgears depends on hardware acceleration... hence upgrading would do that
[07:42] <sdolnack> 1.6ghz pentium M (which isn't the same as a 1.6ghz dekstop apparently)
[07:42] <Healot> or add more RAM
[07:42] <sdolnack> will i be able to pull it off?
[07:42] <Desh_afk> Oh, well I have a Mobility 9700 and 1GB ram..
[07:42] <robin____> anyone here use zsnes? the sound is cracky any way to fix?
[07:42] <Healot> Desh_afk: then it is fast enough
[07:43] <Healot> play some 3D games... see the actual performance, Desh_afk
[07:43] <Desh_afk> Oh...ok...first time i saw the FPSs I had 4000 FPS now I only have 1000ish
[07:43] <lowtech> in mandriva glxgears showed the FPS but kubuntu doesn't, and i haven't found any options for glxgears to try
[07:43] <Healot> ah
[07:43] <Desh_afk> glxgears -printfps
[07:44] <Healot> I know an app for this 3D madness... tdfsb... a 3D OpenGL file manager
[07:44] <Desh_afk> I get 60-70 fps in penguin racer
[07:44] <Healot> it rocks
[07:44] <Healot> Desh_afk: FAST...
[07:44] <Healot> mine is 9200, only 50-60
[07:44] <Desh_afk> Sarcasm?
[07:44] <Desh_afk> Oh, o_O
[07:44] <Healot> not sarcsm, REality...
[07:44] <Desh_afk> Oh ok.
[07:45] <Desh_afk> Yay!! It works!!
[07:45] <Desh_afk> Healot, you use fglrx?
[07:45] <Healot> Desh_afk: you 3D maniac
[07:45] <Healot> yes... fglrx
[07:45] <CellarDoor> hello again all
[07:45] <Healot> from the kernel stock
[07:45] <Desh_afk> That never worked for me..
[07:45] <noaXess> good morning all...
[07:45] <lowtech> Desh_afk: thanks much.
[07:45] <Desh_afk> Np.
[07:45] <Desh_afk> Healot, somehow, "ati" driver gave me 3d acc, randomly...
[07:45] <noaXess> does KDE have a rsync frontend?
[07:46] <CellarDoor> I'm trying to get compiz going here and I've hit a snag with this gnome-window-decorator
[07:46] <noaXess> rsync GUI?
[07:46] <Healot> Desh_afk: what do you mean by that?
[07:47] <Healot> it always gave 3D acc, with some VideoLayout tweak... even 2D performance
[07:47] <CellarDoor> is gnome-window-decorator a package I have to install ?
[07:47] <Desh_afk> Healot: Well, supposedly, "ati" does not give 3d acceleration, fglrx does, but for me it was the opposite, fglrx always showed mesa OpenGL, never ATI OpenGL, no matter what I did. I got mad, went back to standard "ati" drivers, and bam, glxgears and penguin racer work..
[07:49] <CellarDoor> anyone ?
[07:49] <Healot> "Option" "VideoOverlay" "on" should do it
[07:49] <Healot> the default x driver...
[07:49] <Desh_afk> Hmm, I dunno..let me see my xorg
[07:49] <Healot> Desh_afk: fglrx from the stock kernel?
[07:49] <Healot> Section "Device"
[07:49] <Desh_afk> Healot: No fglrx
[07:50] <noaXess> !linux-source
[07:50] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, noaXess
[07:50] <Desh_afk> 	Driver		"ati"
[07:50] <sdolnack> any good games to install from the repos?
[07:50] <Healot> btw... you don;t need that tweak... if you use ati driver
[07:50] <Desh_afk> sdolnack: planet-penguin-racer
[07:50] <Healot> sdolnack: nethack clones and related games
[07:50] <Desh_afk> Healot: What tweak?
[07:50] <Healot> addictive geek games
[07:51] <Healot> Desh_afk: nvm...
[07:51] <Desh_afk> Healot: I am using the standard driver
[07:51] <CellarDoor> !gnome-window-decorator
[07:51] <ubotu> Wish I knew. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, CellarDoor
[07:51] <Desh_afk> And I don't have the VideoOverlay option
[07:51] <sdolnack> what is nethack
[07:52] <noiesmo> CellarDoor, yes install gnome-window-manager even though your on kde check http://compiz.net
[07:52] <noiesmo> CellarDoor, decorator sorry
[07:53] <CellarDoor> noiesmo: but it doesnt come up in the repositories anywhere
[07:53] <Desh_afk> How to I install a .run file?
[07:53] <noiesmo> CellarDoor, it's part of another package
[07:53] <defrysk>  Desh_afk sh blah.run
[07:53] <CellarDoor> oh
[07:53] <Desh_afk> Thanks.
[07:53] <noiesmo> CellarDoor, hang on ill see if i can find
[07:53] <Desh_afk> Woooo!
[07:53] <sdolnack> anyone else?
[07:53] <Desh_afk> I am learning - I is so proud of me
[07:54] <Desh_afk> sdolnack - get UT2004
[07:54] <Desh_afk> So I can pwn you. :)
[07:55] <sdolnack> anyone ever tried adonthell?
[07:55] <sdolnack> i'm not gettin ut2004 lol
[07:55] <jpcdoc> hi everybody
[07:55] <Desh_afk> Why not!?
[07:55] <Desh_afk> :(
[07:55] <noiesmo> CellarDoor,  sudo apt-get install compiz xserver-xgl compiz-gnome compiz-kde gconf-editor
[07:55] <Desh_afk> Hi jpcdoc
[07:55] <jpcdoc> I noob here
[07:55] <Desh_afk> Aren't we all?
[07:55] <noiesmo> CellarDoor, these are the main ones i got for my kubuntu install you on dapper
[07:55] <noiesmo> CellarDoor, Nvidia or ati
[07:56] <CellarDoor> nvidia
[07:56] <noiesmo> CellarDoor, quinnstorm packages ??
[07:56] <CellarDoor> I think so
[07:56] <CellarDoor> added the sources
[07:56] <CellarDoor> upgraded
[07:57] <noiesmo> CellarDoor, ok my system got amd2500 6600GT card also are you 64bit or 32bit
[07:57] <CellarDoor> I think the gconf-editor is the only thing not installed
[07:57] <CellarDoor> just installed it
[07:58] <CellarDoor> gnome-window-decorator: Another window decorator is already running
[07:58] <CellarDoor> compiz.real: No composite extension
[07:59] <noiesmo> CellarDoor, what cpu you got
[07:59] <CellarDoor> I'm finding it a little confusing trying to follow the instructions since they are rather gnome specific
[07:59] <CellarDoor> amd2800+
[08:00] <noiesmo> ok have a look at my howto I did http://noiesmo.dnsalias.net/article.php?story=20060602173658632
[08:00] <CellarDoor> ok
[08:01] <sdolnack> how do i run planetpenguin racer
[08:01] <noiesmo> CellarDoor, this works for me and used it to set a mates up worked as well but gconf-editor is it there is gset-compiz as well but dont like it as much
[08:01] <DaSkreech> noiesmo: Would you mind if that was added to Ubotu's xgl info blurb?
[08:01] <noiesmo> DaSkreech, whats that
[08:01] <DaSkreech> !xgl
[08:01] <ubotu> well, xgl is "XGL on Ubuntu: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CompositeManager - Join #ubuntu-xgl for all the XGL fun on Ubuntu systems.  Pretty videos on http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease/"
[08:01] <DaSkreech> That thingy
[08:02] <noiesmo> DaSkreech, no I don't that be cool :)
[08:03] <CellarDoor> noiesmo: do I need to install gdm ?
[08:03] <DaSkreech> noiesmo: Alright :)
[08:04] <Desh> UT2004 is somewhat laggy. :(
[08:04] <noiesmo> CellarDoor, no
[08:04] <CellarDoor> ok
[08:14] <CellarDoor> ok I'm going to restart... fingers crossed
[08:14] <DaSkreech> :-)
[08:14] <DaSkreech> Hope you have a spare computer handy
[08:16] <Desh> Why does UT2004 seem choppy. This does not make me happy. >_<
[08:16] <Desh> Subpar graphics drivers.
[08:16] <Desh> >_<
[08:16] <lowtech> ati?
[08:16] <Desh> Yeah.
[08:17] <Desh> Not even using fglrx, don't work for me.
[08:17] <lowtech> was just curious :)
[08:17] <Desh> Standard Xorg driver. Ew.
[08:17] <sdolnack> this penguin racing game is stupid
[08:17] <sdolnack> it's too difficult
[08:17] <Desh> Hmm...I wonder if Wine would run Tribes from COmmand Line Login...
[08:17] <Desh> I KNOW!!! I can;t get past the 2nd level.
[08:17] <sdolnack> i know
[08:17] <sdolnack> same here
[08:17] <sdolnack> poor level design
[08:18] <DaSkreech> I can get to level 4 pretty easy
[08:18] <Desh> Don;t show off.
[08:18] <Desh> I bet I could blow you up in UT2004
[08:18] <Desh> :-O
[08:18] <Desh> What what!? Let's go!
[08:18] <nixternal> anyone successfully install and use the VMplayer from the repositories?
[08:18] <DaSkreech> I'm always one second too slow or 3 fish too hungry
[08:19] <Desh> :-P, just joshing ya, DaSkreech
[08:19] <DaSkreech> Desh: I doubt it :) I'm pretty good once I've played for a week or two
[08:19] <DaSkreech> Desh: Great game though!!!
[08:19] <Desh> DaSkreech, you got UT2004 on Dapper?
[08:19] <DaSkreech> And has a native Linux install!
[08:19] <Desh> yeah, same her
[08:19] <DaSkreech> Naw someone stole my CD :-(
[08:19] <Desh> *here
[08:19] <noiesmo> brb
[08:19] <Desh> Did it run a bit laggy?
[08:20] <Desh> Not laggy, more like, choppy
[08:20] <sdolnack> i hope linux has good emulators
[08:20] <Desh> ZSNES?
[08:20] <Desh> My crap never ends up in my menus. >_<
[08:20] <sdolnack> omg zsnes is for linux!!
[08:20] <sdolnack> sweetness
[08:20] <yannux> Hye :)
[08:20] <Desh> Hahaha.
[08:21] <DaSkreech> Yeah
[08:21] <Desh> Luckily I have MGS3:S :-P
[08:21] <threat> sdolnack, ?
[08:21] <melkart> my kubuntu-system doesnt turn off the computer after shutting down. how can i make it to do so? i believe the problem is caused by the APM module being unloaded during the shutdown process...
[08:23] <sdolnack> threat: ? what?
[08:23] <sdolnack> what's the best nes emu for nes?
[08:23] <sdolnack> fwNES?
[08:24] <sdolnack> or fce ultra
[08:24] <threat> sdolnack, where do I get the ROMs from?
[08:24] <sdolnack> hahaha
[08:25] <sdolnack> threat
[08:25] <sdolnack> do you have aim?
[08:25] <sdolnack> we'll talk about roms on ther e;-)
[08:25] <threat> ok
[08:25] <sdolnack> what's your screen name
[08:25] <DaSkreech> Yes please :)
[08:25] <CellarDoor> nalioth_: I'm getting an error
[08:25] <sdolnack> yes please what?
[08:26] <DaSkreech> talk about it off chan
[08:26] <threat> sdolnack 47668212, ICQ
[08:26] <sdolnack> oh
[08:26] <sdolnack> well yeah of course
[08:26] <sdolnack> i don't have icq :-/
[08:26] <sdolnack> hold on
[08:26] <sdolnack> lemme find the site first
[08:26] <sdolnack> i mean
[08:26] <sdolnack> theoretically
[08:26] <threat> aim/icq is basically the same
[08:26] <sdolnack> for uh educiational purposes and all
[08:26] <threat> yes "theoretically"
[08:26] <CellarDoor> nalioth_: tried to log into a compiz session but it says it cant find /usr/local/bin/eyecandy ... but its there :/
[08:26] <threat> "hook me up" for "educational" purpose
[08:26] <Healot> crappy
[08:27] <noiesmo> CellarDoor, did you chmod +x the file oops
[08:27] <threat> CellarDoor, permission?
[08:27] <CellarDoor> oh sorry, noiesmo... talking to the wrong person there... apologies nalioth_
[08:27] <CellarDoor> noiesmo: nope :P
[08:27] <noiesmo> CellarDoor, fixing howto right now sorry
[08:28] <CellarDoor> so I'd enter "sudo chmod +x /usr/local/bin/eyecandy" ?
[08:29] <sdolnack> so uhh
[08:29] <sdolnack> how about that legal software :-)
[08:29] <noiesmo> yes no "
[08:29] <CellarDoor> just a learner here
[08:29] <Hobbsee> hey DaSkreech
[08:30] <DaSkreech> sdolnack: You should install vrms :)
[08:30] <CellarDoor> ok, going for another try
[08:31] <noiesmo> CellarDoor, k
[08:31] <Healot> Virtual Richard M. Stallman
[08:31] <Healot> GNU... gnu
[08:35] <CellarDoor> ok I think I'm almost there
[08:35] <Healot> near the CellarDoor?
[08:36] <PyroMithrandir> http://home.earthlink.net/~pyromithrandir/images/gnu.gif <-- :)
[08:36] <CellarDoor> I get as far as "restoring session" but then it hangs
[08:36] <Desh_> Does anyone else have UT2004 on their box?
[08:36] <PyroMithrandir> Desh, yeah, I have it
[08:36] <CellarDoor> noiesmo: am I missing something ?
[08:37] <Desh_> What gfx card?
[08:37] <PyroMithrandir> nvidia geforce fx 5500
[08:37] <noiesmo> CellarDoor, just tring to think
[08:37] <Desh_> Ah, and it runs smoothly?
[08:37] <PyroMithrandir> well, it does under windows
[08:37] <noiesmo> CellarDoor, check the plugins that order in gconf-editor
[08:38] <Desh_> Ah yeah I could run Half Life 2 smoothly under windows, in High settings, but UT2004 is choppy on Linux. :(
[08:38] <PyroMithrandir> I only really play it at lan parties, where I stay booted to windows
[08:38] <Desh_> Hmm, I should dual boot..
[08:38] <Desh_> What program can I use to repartition my drive if all 80 gigs are for Linux?
[08:39] <PyroMithrandir> gparted can do it, I think
[08:39] <CellarDoor> noiesmo: whereabouts does it show those ?
[08:39] <Desh_> Ok, thanks.
[08:40] <noiesmo> gconf,decoration,dock,transset,wobbly,state,fade,minimize,cube,rotate,zoom,scale,move,
[08:40] <noiesmo> resize,place,switcher,trailfocus,water,bs
[08:40] <noiesmo> oops
[08:41] <DaSkreech> water?
[08:41] <DaSkreech> What's water?
[08:42] <noiesmo> DaSkreech, water is plugin from quinstorm repo
[08:42] <noiesmo> CellarDoor, did you use the repos I have on my how to
[08:43] <DaSkreech> Waht does it do?
[08:43] <noiesmo> DaSkreech, http://noiesmo.dnsalias.net/mediagallery/media.php?aid=1&f=0&s=18&sort=0
[08:43] <noiesmo> DaSkreech, looks cool
[08:43] <noiesmo> DaSkreech, otherwise totally useless
[08:43] <CellarDoor> yep
[08:43] <DaSkreech> LIke E! :-)
[08:44] <Hobbsee> !tell DaSkreech about add
[08:45] <CellarDoor> noiesmo: yes, looks the same, they are the same as on the ubuntu instructions
[08:46] <Hobbsee> !xgl
[08:46] <ubotu> XGL on Ubuntu: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CompositeManager - Join #ubuntu-xgl for all the XGL fun on Ubuntu systems.  Pretty videos on http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease/  See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[08:47] <noiesmo> CellarDoor, check ls /usr/lib/compiz see if all plugs are listed
[08:47] <CellarDoor> noiesmo: ah that might be it
[08:47] <noiesmo> DaSkreech, nice
[08:48] <CellarDoor> hmm
[08:48] <noiesmo> CellarDoor, they there
[08:49] <DaSkreech> Any idea why the  name of OO.o was changed?
[08:49] <Healot> ooo?
[08:49] <CellarDoor> noiesmo: the ones you mentioned ?
[08:50] <DaSkreech> OO.o
[08:50] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: from what to what?
[08:50] <CellarDoor> noiesmo: no they dont seem to be all there
[08:50] <DaSkreech> From OO.o <name> to OO.o <function>
[08:50] <noiesmo> CellarDoor, then you not using the quinn packages
[08:50] <CellarDoor> hmm
[08:51] <noiesmo> CellarDoor, in your /etc/apt/sources.list is beerorkid.com and the xgl.ompiz there as per howto
[08:51] <kkathman> Hey Hobbsee :)
[08:51] <noiesmo> CellarDoor, please check sources.list for beerorkid and if not add as per howto
[08:51] <CellarDoor> noiesmo: yes
[08:52] <Hobbsee> hey kkathman
[08:52] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: ah okay.  no idea
[08:52] <noiesmo> CellarDoor, ok do sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get install --reinstall compiz-gnome compiz
[08:53] <CellarDoor> ok
[08:53] <DaSkreech> not really critical but kinda disturbing
[08:53] <noiesmo> CellarDoor, this will update the apt cache and reinstall the packages might help us fix your system
[08:53] <DaSkreech> esp for us poor Alt+space addicts :)
[08:54] <CellarDoor> noiesmo: ok done
[08:54] <noiesmo> CellarDoor, did a heap os schema stuff spam out
[08:54] <noiesmo> os/of
[08:54] <CellarDoor> noiesmo: yup
[08:54] <noiesmo> CellarDoor, ok
[08:55] <noiesmo> CellarDoor, check /usr/lib/compiz
[08:55] <CellarDoor> ok
[08:55] <noiesmo> CellarDoor, then check gconf-editor and if it looks ok then try again
[08:55] <noiesmo> CellarDoor, brb 2 min
[08:57] <noiesmo> CellarDoor, ok how do it look
[09:00] <lowtech> how do i search the repositories for the ssh server and client?
[09:00] <CellarDoor> noiesmo: transset and trailfocus are not there
[09:02] <noiesmo> CellarDoor, ok they are obsolete, things i do and not adjust sorry about this but there not needed fixing howto :)
[09:02] <CellarDoor> ok
[09:02] <CellarDoor> no problem
[09:02] <noiesmo> CellarDoor, otherwise its all good try again see if it works now
[09:04] <CellarDoor> ok here goes
[09:07] <CellarDoor> noiesmo: still hangs at 'restoring session'
[09:08] <noiesmo> CellarDoor, bugger
[09:08] <CellarDoor> earlier while trying to follow the ubuntu page I did type this "compiz --replace gconf decoration wobbly fade minimize cube rotate zoom scale move resize place switcher water &" not sure if it matters at all
[09:09] <ashridah> hey. anyone know why amarok-gstreamer doesn't seem to exist on dapper?
[09:09] <noiesmo> CellarDoor, you can do that but you shouldnt have to
[09:09] <noiesmo> CellarDoor, most say not to
[09:10] <crimsun_> ashridah: it was removed because upstream GSt engine supports lacks a maintainer iirc
[09:11] <ashridah> darn
[09:11] <crimsun_> s/supports/support/
[09:11] <ashridah> because the amarok-arts package doesn't seem to work, and the amarok-xine package appears, but just zips through all of my music without playing anything :S
[09:12] <Hobbsee> ashridah: installed libxine-extracodecs?
[09:13] <ashridah> Hobbsee: that might help.
[09:13] <ashridah> curious that arts doesn't show up even tho i've got the package installed tho
[09:13] <Hobbsee> it might indeed
[09:13] <CellarDoor> noiesmo: I might try a reboot
[09:13] <noiesmo> CellarDoor, ok
[09:13] <Healot> damn sed
[09:16] <DaSkreech> Has anyone played with aiglx yet?
[09:18] <CellarDoor> noiesmo: no change
[09:18] <ashridah> Hobbsee: much better. thanks
[09:18] <CellarDoor> noiesmo: It hangs on "restoring session"... wondering it thats a clue as to whats going on
[09:19] <Hobbsee> ashridah: :)
[09:21] <CellarDoor> noiesmo: I'm thinking maybe something I've done from this page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CompositeManager/InstallingCompiz is in conflict with something I followed on your page ?
[09:23] <nmorse> I'm guessing there's still no fix to it uninstalling most of kde when you upgrade to dapper?
[09:23] <noiesmo> CellarDoor, i'll have a look at your link hang on
[09:23] <DaSkreech> nmorse: Huh?
[09:24] <ashridah> whoa.
[09:24] <ashridah> okay. someone definently needs to adapt "google browser sync" to konqueror :)
[09:24] <nmorse> Everytime I attempt to upgrade from breezy to dapper apt-get wants to remove almost all of kde.
[09:24] <ashridah> i've been pining for something like that for about three years
[09:25] <nmorse> If I do 'sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop' it says it's impossible and gives a list of packages that won't install.
[09:25] <DaSkreech> nmorse: Cause it's a new KDE
[09:25] <nmorse> Hence why I'm still on breezy with a Kaffeine that crashes if you try to open a new file after playing one.
[09:25] <DaSkreech> so it has to replace it
[09:25] <nmorse> I've never had issues like this when upgrading KDE before.
[09:25] <DaSkreech> which means getting rid of the old one
[09:26] <DaSkreech> nmorse: Backup important stuff and grab a dapper CD
[09:27] <noiesmo> CellarDoor, brb
[09:27] <nmorse> Is the new kubuntu-desktop package broken or something? There should be a little more convenient way to upgrade than having all my packages removed and then reinstalling them.
[09:27] <nmorse> After the upgrade is done.
[09:28] <Hobbsee> nmorse: probably a new version of kde...
[09:28] <ashridah> i thought that's what apt-get dist-upgrade was for :)
[09:28] <nmorse> So did I.
[09:28] <Hobbsee> built on a different lot of glibc
[09:28] <Hobbsee> well, yeah, that's how it's supposed to work...
[09:28] <Hobbsee> i dont know why it all removes first - the end effect is almost the same though
[09:28] <nmorse> I thought the big glibc and gcc move was between Hoary and Breezy?
[09:28] <Hobbsee> do you have to manually install k-d again?
[09:28] <ashridah> Hobbsee: it should still handle it better than removing everything
[09:29] <Hobbsee> ashridah: i know
[09:29] <nmorse> If you go the KubuntuDapperKnowProblems link in the topic you'll see they have a bug report on it.
[09:29] <nmorse> I was just wondering if there was an unofficial fix for it yet or something.
[09:31] <Hobbsee> nmorse: if there's a fix for it, it'll be made official pretty quickly
[09:31] <nmorse> Looks like I put off upgrading for a while yet then. Is GRUB any better this time around about not screwing up my boot configuration?
[09:32] <noiesmo> CellarDoor, open a terminal and type eyecandy it should fire up this session of kde will keep running to end the eyecandy session
[09:34] <noiesmo> CellarDoor, I have to go for a while I will be back here in about 1-2 hours
[09:38] <_rince_> mrgn
[09:39] <CellarDoor> dang
[09:39] <DaSkreech> CellarDoor: Heehee :)
[09:41] <CellarDoor> DaSkreech: I couldn't get back to my current session, ended up rebooting
[09:42] <CellarDoor> oh well
[10:02] <burepe> I want to use the Google Web Tool Kit and it says to install "Sun Java Standard Edition SDK" Can I do this through Adept? There are so many Java packages, it is a little confusing. Lil` help?
[10:02] <martoss> hi there
[10:03] <martoss> I can just login as root through kdm
[10:03] <martoss> it says that there's a shutdown running
[10:04] <weedar> burepe: sun-java5-jdk is what you want :)
[10:04] <martoss> already tried shutdown -c
[10:04] <weedar> JDK = Java Development Kit, just another word for SDK (which is Software Development Kit)
[10:05] <burepe> weedar you are the man or woman or whatever
[10:05] <Healot> just append J
[10:07] <burepe> I don't have that package
[10:09] <weedar> are you running dapper, breezy or what burepe?
[10:09] <burepe> breezy
[10:09] <burepe> !sources
[10:10] <burepe> !source-o-matic
[10:10] <weedar> burepe: Dapper has the Java packages available via apt-get, but for Breezy check out https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java?action=show&redirect=AddingJavaSupport#head-c11d7e79caf92b25d665c18c7821f925784de8d1
[10:10] <weedar> Or upgrade to Dapper :)
[10:11] <burepe> Can I upgrade without a reinstall?
[10:11] <TheHighChild> !upgrade
[10:11] <burepe> How long does that take?
[10:11] <DaSkreech> :-)
[10:11] <burepe> You gotta love the bots
[10:11] <burepe> where are they anyway?
[10:12] <DaSkreech> sleeping
[10:12] <DaSkreech> Ssssh
[10:12] <DaSkreech> shhh
[10:12] <TheHighChild> !Upgrade
[10:12] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource.
[10:12] <ubotu> For an easy to use custom sources.list creator, visit http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[10:13] <weedar> burepe: for me the update took two hours maybe, depends on your internet connection somewhat of course :)
[10:13] <weedar> uprade, I mean
[10:14] <burepe> ok
[10:14] <burepe> cool
[10:14] <icheyne> ping #automatix
[10:14] <burepe> !upgrade
[10:14] <ubotu> Upgrading to Ubuntu 5.10 breezy -> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgrade. Upgrading to Ubuntu 6.06 Dapper -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperUpgrades . Note: gksudo "update-manager -d" always updates to the latest development verison: (eft when its open)
[10:23] <pd273> Hi there, when I do a apt-get -f install I get this error http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/769319, any idea how I can remove this package
[10:25] <chavo> pd273, I remember having that problem, but I can't remember exactly waht I did to fix it :(
[10:26] <pd273> hmm
[10:26] <chavo> pd273, it's something with the init script, some sort of bug
[10:26] <pd273> Oh I c
[10:26] <pd273> I cant even remove it now
[10:26] <aftertaf> lol chavo. back with xgl again.
[10:27] <chavo> I'm not doing any walkthroughs right now :)
[10:27] <aftertaf> you know why when i type compiz --replace gconf i have no titlebars?
[10:27] <aftertaf> and this as error: Failed to manage screen: 0
[10:27] <chavo> I've been asked to write a wiki about it, but I've been busy
[10:27] <aftertaf> just wondering if you have a one-line solution ;
[10:28] <chavo> aftertaf, did you run gnome-window-decorator also?
[10:28] <aftertaf> run it? im in kde.
[10:28] <pd273> when I do a apt-get remove, I get this error. Almost same http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/769326, can I do some sort of force remove
[10:28] <aftertaf> compiz --replace gconf & gnome-win-dec.....   like that?
[10:28] <chavo> aftertaf, yes compiz and gnome-window-decorator have to run together
[10:28] <Healot> xgl problems again
[10:29] <chavo> g-w-d draws the decorations
[10:29] <Healot> does the wiki help, ?
[10:29] <chavo> Healot, the wiki is gnome specific at the moment, I am supposed to be writing the kde version
[10:32] <aftertaf> yay!!!! i found a new way of rebooting X without pressing ctl+alt+back
[10:32] <aftertaf> :] 
[10:32] <TheHighChild> hey guys, where are the ,deb stored when they are fetched?
[10:32] <TheHighChild> .debs*
[10:32] <aftertaf> /var/apt/cache
[10:32] <TheHighChild> thank you aftertaf
[10:33] <aftertaf> no
[10:33] <aftertaf> ls /var/cache/apt/archives/
[10:33] <TheHighChild> Do you know how to set it so they aren't stored after setup?
[10:33] <aftertaf> i got it completely wrong ;)
[10:33] <defrysk> TheHighChild, sudo apt-get clean to remove them
[10:33] <aftertaf> TheHighChild, nope, but you can type apt-get clean
[10:33] <aftertaf> do a df -h before and after ;)
[10:34] <TheHighChild> what is that?
[10:34] <TheHighChild> I know df but not the h option
[10:34] <TheHighChild> nvm, I'll man
[10:34] <TheHighChild> Thanks dude
[10:34] <aftertaf> df -h
[10:34] <aftertaf> shows results in human readable format
[10:35] <tuxcicles> TheHighChild: apt-get clean
[10:36] <TheHighChild> Really stoked about Dapper. It even setup my wireless (not optimized) in a working fashion on my laptop (IBM T42)
[10:37] <aftertaf> dapper rox da house
[10:37] <tuxcicles> i cant get the newer version of fglrx or ati driver to work with my videocard - mobo configuration, the older one does though, the one in breezy
[10:37] <ashridah> heh. i'm having a reasonable time with it. a freshly installed amd64 version decided to ignore one of my sata controllers (which just happened to be the one with the only sata disk in the system on it) butmoving the drive to the other controller helped there.
[10:37] <ashridah> not too happy that it decided to install grub to /dev/hda without asking tho
[10:38] <burepe> Hey, can I upgrade to a different language or just change my whole system to Japanese?
[10:38] <Healot> burepe: yes you can change the interfaces/keyboard/input method to Japanese
[10:38] <TheHighChild> yes, Settings > Regional & Accessibility > Country/Region & Language
[10:39] <burepe> the keyboard is already Japanese, I just want everything else to be too
[10:39] <Healot> btw... did you download Kubuntu from the Japanese project?
[10:39] <Healot> or the English main project
[10:40] <Healot> or do the Japanese team finished the translation project? Idk
[10:40] <burepe> I  think I got the english one
[10:41] <burepe> I have downloaded older distros from the Japanese one though.
[10:41] <burepe> I have never changed the language though
[10:41] <burepe> So the Japanese Dapper is not out yet probably?
[10:41] <TheHighChild> burepe: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuDapperBeta?action=fullsearch&context=180&value=japanese&titlesearch=Titles
[10:42] <burepe> TheHighChild, I don't have that settings path
[10:42] <burepe> strange huh
[10:43] <Healot> guess not... burepe, but you still can setup Japanese interfaces using the English release
[10:43] <TheHighChild> Ok, should be able to access it from the Control Center in 'Regional & Accessibility
[10:44] <Healot> damn ubuntu.com certificate is use even for its subdomains?
[10:44] <burepe> I don't have a control center
[10:44] <burepe> This is breezy. Maybe that is why
[10:44] <Healot> KDE Menu - > Settings
[10:45] <burepe> sorry my bad
[10:45] <burepe> I am using gnome at the moment, didn`t realize I was on #kubuntu
[10:45] <Healot> Well, it's on Menu System->Preferences->language
[10:46] <Healot> if you're in GNOME
[10:46] <burepe> *)
[10:46] <burepe> :)
[10:46] <Healot> check on Japanese list, and prepare to download the files...
[10:46] <Healot> but you need to setup the keyboard layout/input method manually though, if i recall
[10:48] <TheHighChild> burepe: are you using KDE or GNOME?
[10:48] <burepe> Gnome
[10:48] <burepe> both but gnome right now
[10:48] <burepe> I acutally have Kubuntu
[10:49] <TheHighChild> oh, well that would be why you can't find what I am talking about. Sorry, I don't use or know GNOME at all
[10:49] <burepe> Yeah, i'm a space cadet
[10:49] <Healot> Menu System->Preferences->language --> for GNOME
[10:50] <rverrips> Hiyee - Everytime I startup kubuntu it scans my Windows XP fat32 partition (takes about 3 minutes each time) - Anyway to stop this?
[10:50] <Healot> remove its entry from fstab file?
[10:51] <Robert_S> Can somebody help me.  I've got 3 sound cards  - my "normal" one, a USB one for Skype and a specialised one for sound recording.  How do I ensure that they always get loaded as the correct device each time I boot?  Id. I'd like to be able to guarantee that /dev/dsp is always my "standard" card.
[10:51] <rverrips> Thanks Healot, but if I remove it from fstab, will it still mount upon boot?
[10:51] <malte> hm, does anyone else experience problems with azureus? it's pop-up windows (you know, that come up when you didn't shut down azureus tidily the last time) aren't possible to dismiss
[10:52] <TheHighChild> You on breezy malte?
[10:52] <puckman> Morning
[10:52] <mrmist> Here's a tough one: Any way to see the INDIVIDUAL load on my TWO processors ??
[10:52] <malte> TheHighChild: dapper
[10:53] <puckman> Anyone know how to unlock the adept database?
[10:53] <puckman> When I try to run adept it claims something is using it
[10:53] <TheHighChild> I used to have the issue but Since my upgrade to Dapper, it's been fine thus far.
[10:53] <puckman> but I just booted up my machine
[10:53] <malte> TheHighChild: hm, okay. that's strange
[10:55] <Aapzak> good morning everyone
[10:59] <Aapzak> it's quiet inhere, no hello, no xgl discussion, no ati/nvidia questions. is everyone sleeping?
[10:59] <puckman> No, I just asked a question but got ignored ;P
[11:00] <Aapzak> hehe, what wa it?
[11:00] <puckman> nice name btw, you dutch?
[11:00] <Aapzak> :)
[11:00] <puckman> Lekker weertje in nederland vandaag?
[11:00] <Aapzak> you are :)
[11:00] <Aapzak> heerlijk
[11:00] <puckman> hehehe, but I live in london :P
[11:00] <puckman> adept refuses to run as it claims the database is in use
[11:01] <puckman> which is bull so I was wondering if it can get locked during a crash
[11:01] <puckman> like the lock file in thunderbird or firefox
[11:01] <Aapzak> puckman: hot in London ? ;)
[11:02] <puckman> very
[11:02] <puckman> but I'm in a ice cold office
[11:02] <Aapzak> aha, apt broke because your system crashed while the db was locked
[11:02] <puckman> right, so how do I undo that?
[11:02] <Aapzak> you might have a good change this can be found in Debian forums
[11:04] <Aapzak> puckman: it's not easiliy googled
[11:04] <puckman> hence asking in here in case someone had run into it
[11:05] <puckman> I'm having a few other nasties with dapper
[11:05] <puckman> it freezes every now and then
[11:05] <puckman> completly random
[11:05] <puckman> whole thing locks up, cant even poke it from another machine
[11:06] <Aapzak> which is pretty weird
[11:06] <Aapzak> according to an old message the dpkg lockfile should be in /var/lock
[11:07] <puckman> k, lets have a look
[11:07] <puckman> hehehe, aapzak, funny, not seen a name like that in ages
[11:08] <Khriz> hi, someone can help a moment, please I want to make a question on wireless assistant
[11:09] <Aapzak> puckman: I'm starting to use it less and use my real name more often these days
[11:09] <Khriz> when KUbuntu starts I need to go to wireless assistant and connect to my wireless network, is there a way to fix the same connection and at start Kubuntu connects always to the same?
[11:09] <Aapzak> Khriz: ask and see if someone knows something usefull
[11:09] <Aapzak> k
[11:09] <puckman> Aapzak: whats that then?
[11:09] <Aapzak> 'Quido
[11:09] <Aapzak> Quido
[11:10] <puckman> how undutch sounding
[11:10] <puckman> mine is gerard
[11:10] <puckman> well, thats my calling name
[11:10] <Aapzak> sounds Dutch to me :)
[11:10] <puckman> full name is Wilhelmus Gerardus
[11:10] <Aapzak> Khriz: yes
[11:10] <puckman> The english dont understand that, full and calling name
[11:10] <Aapzak> why not? Becks real name is Beckham
[11:11] <Khriz> I don't find the option on wireless assistant
[11:11] <Aapzak> :)
[11:11] <puckman> hahah
[11:11] <Aapzak> Khriz: you do tthat in another application I guess, I don't use wireless assistant
[11:11] <puckman> gonna reboot, this is driving me nots
[11:11] <puckman> brb
[11:11] <Khriz> ooh, and what app are you using?
[11:12] <Aapzak> Khriz: use the configuration from control center
[11:12] <Aapzak> I'm not on Kubuntu at the moment, so I can't really see what it's called
[11:12] <Aapzak> Networking
[11:12] <Aapzak> I think
[11:13] <Khriz> ok, thanks, I'll try it
[11:13] <Aapzak> found it?
[11:14] <Khriz> yes, found it, thanks
[11:24] <exceswater> hi all
[11:24] <exceswater> sorry if i disturb anyone but i am kinda noob to kubuntu and I need some help ...
[11:26] <Vampis> exceswater: ask away then
[11:26] <Vampis> cant guess your question :)
[11:26] <exceswater> 10x
[11:26] <exceswater> i just installed kubuntu
[11:26] <exceswater> i love it :D
[11:26] <Vampis> Good for you :)
[11:26] <exceswater> but i dunno how to install anything
[11:26] <exceswater> :D
[11:26] <exceswater> at all
[11:26] <exceswater> i donwloaded a game
[11:26] <exceswater> warsaw
[11:26] <Vampis> mkay ?
[11:26] <exceswater> something like that
[11:26] <Vampis> is it sourcecode or is it a .deb file ?
[11:26] <exceswater> and i dunno how to install anything
[11:27] <Vampis> aha
[11:27] <Vampis> :>
[11:27] <exceswater> it's a file named warsow_0.11-english.run
[11:27] <Vampis> mhm
[11:28] <exceswater> ok
[11:28] <exceswater> 10x a lot
[11:28] <Vampis> np
[11:28] <exceswater> you've been great help
[11:28] <puckman> Aapzak: got it sorted
[11:28] <Vampis> and to run that file
[11:28] <Vampis> open a terminal
[11:28] <puckman> Aapzak: ran apt-get update and upgrade from terminal and after that it was fine
[11:28] <exceswater>  register claudiu
[11:28] <exceswater> dunno how to register here :D
[11:28] <Vampis> ./filename
[11:28] <exceswater> it's awfull to be so noob
[11:29] <Vampis> Everyone has to start somewere
[11:29] <exceswater> lol
[11:29] <exceswater> yup
[11:29] <exceswater> anyway
[11:29] <exceswater> it's better to be unix noob than usual windows user :D
[11:29] <Vampis> lol
[11:29] <Vampis> :>
[11:31] <puckman> exceswater++
[11:31] <HTRednek> Does anyone have a good link to info for accessing an existing RAID 0 array on a Via8237 controller?  I haven't been able to find much.
[11:31] <puckman> I agree
[11:31] <exceswater> vampis
[11:31] <Vampis> tes ?
[11:31] <Vampis> yes *
[11:31] <exceswater> where is that cute "terminal" thing
[11:31] <exceswater> i find something like shell command
[11:32] <exceswater> but not terminal
[11:32] <Vampis> same thing
[11:32] <exceswater> it's my first hour of linux
[11:32] <Vampis> open "Konsole"
[11:32] <Vampis> The Startmeny under system
[11:32] <exceswater> kde ?
[11:32] <Vampis> yes
[11:33] <exceswater> kde launcher
[11:33] <exceswater> i am not bothering anybody
[11:33] <exceswater> ? ? ??
[11:33] <Vampis> No
[11:33] <Vampis> :)
[11:36] <exceswater> that kde seems to not want to open :D
[11:36] <exceswater> hehe
[11:36] <exceswater> i am good in windows
[11:36] <exceswater> a little
[11:36] <exceswater> all my friends used to bug me all the time...
[11:37] <exceswater> i even got a call an 23:45 from a friend ... asking me how to change the home page in IE
[11:37] <exceswater> now i am just like that noob
[11:37] <exceswater> :d
[11:37] <Vampis> LOL
[11:38] <exceswater> all my friends are noobs in comps
[11:38] <exceswater> i was the expert :D
[11:38] <Vampis> ah
[11:38] <Vampis> WAS
[11:38] <Vampis> :D
[11:38] <exceswater> in allmost anything
[11:38] <exceswater> :D
[11:38] <exceswater> that kde is not opening
[11:39] <exceswater> by the way
[11:39] <exceswater> may be a stupid question
[11:39] <exceswater> but: is there a linux version that has more easy installer
[11:40] <Vampis> "that KDE" ?
[11:40] <Aapzak> puckman: I was working :) good for you
[11:41] <GNAM> what's ubuntu package for kde trash?
[11:42] <GNAM> klauncher said: "unknown protocol trash"
[11:42] <GNAM> that's a partial installation of kde on ubuntu
[11:43] <burepe> I am trying to update but I keep getting this error http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-latest/dists/breezy/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz: 404 Not Found Any suggestions?
[11:43] <rob> very cool
[11:44] <tuxcicles> exceswater: fedora, but thats where the easiness ends
[11:44] <chavo> burepe, looks like you've got some kubuntu.org repos in your sources.list
[11:44] <exceswater> it's so hard .. fedora ?
[11:44] <noaXess> is it possible to recreate the kmenu? i have installed koffice, kmail,... but there are no entries in kmenu..
[11:44] <RawSewage> yes
[11:45] <RawSewage> it's an applet
[11:45] <RawSewage> add a new applet to the taskbar
[11:45] <noaXess> RawSewage: i mean.. i have the aplett shown in taskbar.. but the entries in kmenu are not complete.. koffice, kmail,.. and so on aren't there
[11:46] <tuxcicles> exceswater: ever heard of dependancy hell?
[11:46] <RawSewage> Kubuntu doesnt come with Koffice installed
[11:46] <exceswater> not really
[11:46] <exceswater> :D
[11:46] <RawSewage> and KMail is part of Kontact
[11:46] <burepe> chavo is that bad?
[11:46] <RawSewage> Kontact is in the Office area
[11:46] <burepe> should I take that out?
[11:46] <noaXess> RawSewage: but shoud apt-get install koffice not create the kmenu entries to the koffice components?
[11:47] <RawSewage> yes, reboot
[11:47] <chavo> burepe, yes take it out
[11:47] <noaXess> RawSewage: aha here they are.. just opend kmenu editor, save it and here they are :)
[11:47] <RawSewage> ok
[11:47] <RawSewage> rebooting will put them there
[11:47] <RawSewage> you dont have to do it manually
[11:47] <noaXess> RawSewage: restart X :)..
[11:47] <RawSewage> yes
[11:47] <chavo> burepe, and one other thing before you upgrade, make sure you have kubuntu-desktop installed
[11:48] <noaXess> ok.. thanks.. just time for eating..
[11:50] <burepe> chavo, I took it out but I have some pub key error, I tried to fix it with the directions from source-o-matic but it didn't work. Any suggestions?
[11:51] <Vampis> Trying to install koffice ?
[11:51] <chavo> burepe, pastebin your sources.list
[11:51] <exceswater> anyone knows a nice free game for kubuntu  ?
[11:51] <Vampis> http://kubuntu.org/announcements/koffice-151.php
[11:51] <gobbe> planeshift
[11:51] <chavo> exceswater, enemy-territory
[11:52] <TheHighChild> Can my windows be hacked in VMware?
[11:52] <JasonL> weird, MS emailed me and said please download vista beta and test it for us...
[11:52] <TheHighChild> exceswater I run a few ET servers. I must say, it's a great game
[11:53] <exceswater> chavo
[11:53] <exceswater> it's free ?
[11:53] <chavo> yes
[11:53] <exceswater> and where I can find it :D ?
[11:53] <GNAM> how can I start konqueror with sudo privileges? "kdesu kfmclient openProfile webbrowsing" ?
[11:53] <TheHighChild> sacrilege!
[11:53] <exceswater> and please think that i am noob in linux
[11:54] <TheHighChild> exceswater Enemy territory?
[11:54] <exceswater> yes
[11:54] <burepe> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/769512
[11:54] <chavo> http://enemy-territory.4players.de:1041/download.php?view.313
[11:54] <TheHighChild> one sec
[11:54] <burepe> chavo http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/769512
[11:54] <chavo> oh that site you have to sign up to
[11:55] <TheHighChild> exceswater: http://www.fileshack.com/file.x?fid=2743
[11:55] <chavo> burepe, you updating from hoary to breezy?
[11:56] <TheHighChild> Let me know if you want a server suggestion. Also, you can use a program called 'xqf' to act like ASE does on windows
[11:56] <chavo> TheHighChild, which servers do you run?
[11:57] <TheHighChild> I used to run the glory hole and milkspank servers. I currently run Anarchy and Shiat Storm (setup and admin only)
[11:57] <burepe> chavo breezy to dapper
[11:58] <chavo> burepe, well the sources.list is for breezy
[11:58] <TheHighChild> Anyone run VMware?
[11:58] <burepe> so I have to change the sources to dapper?
[11:58] <chavo> also try changing to the archive.ubuntu.com servers, without the jp
[11:59] <chavo> burepe, yes
[11:59] <TheHighChild> !upgrade
[11:59] <ubotu> Upgrading to Ubuntu 5.10 breezy -> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgrade. Upgrading to Ubuntu 6.06 Dapper -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperUpgrades . Note: gksudo "update-manager -d" always updates to the latest development verison: (eft when its open)
[11:59] <burepe> I am following this faq https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperUpgrades it didn't say anything about that in the non-command line update
[12:10] <burepe> Thanks it's working chavo
[12:10] <chavo> cool
[12:12] <rob_> hi, I'm wondering if anyone here has any experience with PCI based nova-t cards and sound issues?
[12:24] <exceswater> back
[12:24] <exceswater> :D
[12:25] <Vampis> wb
[12:25] <exceswater> 10x
[12:29] <stefan> hello all
[12:29] <stefan> I just create a sources.list -file over the website with source-o-matic
[12:30] <Vampis> ok
[12:30] <Vampis> *taking noteS*
[12:30] <Vampis> ;)
[12:30] <stefan> http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[12:30] <stefan> I select all
[12:30] <stefan> now I want to install webmin
[12:31] <stefan> doing apt-get updade
[12:31] <stefan> but can not find webmin
[12:31] <stefan> can someone tell where I can get it?
[12:31] <TheHighChild> stefan you probably don't want to use webmin from the repos
[12:31] <stefan> why not?
[12:32] <stefan> what else should I use?
[12:32] <usuario> hi every one ... i am a new user of this great o.s.
[12:32] <TheHighChild> From my understanding (not positive) the repos use an older version
[12:32] <TheHighChild> hey usuario
[12:32] <usuario> dime
[12:33] <memorice> hey
[12:33] <DaveQB> hi usuario
[12:33] <usuario> i am very glad to comes to the comunity !!
[12:33] <memorice> how can I install java jdk 5
[12:33] <DaveQB> usuario: well your welcome
[12:33] <stefan> on breezy I had webmin
[12:33] <usuario> thanks all
[12:33] <TheHighChild> stefan read this thread
[12:33] <TheHighChild> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=166276
[12:33] <memorice> (I've installed jdk, but the commands java and javac are not working)
[12:33] <DaveQB> I have an issue with KDE's media:/ file system and auto mounts
[12:33] <TheHighChild> memorice: are they in your path?
[12:33] <memorice> (so I guess I need to set the classpath)
[12:34] <memorice> TheHighChild: no
[12:34] <DaveQB> I am getting the error you get if you try to mount a device not in fstab, but in a KDE popup
[12:34] <usuario> i want to connect to a spanish channel.. I am Spanish boy
[12:34] <usuario> my English isnt good enough to write good english
[12:34] <DaveQB> the usual "could not mount device" mount: Can't find /dev/sda in /etc/fstab
[12:35] <DaveQB> Now I know I can edit the fstab, but i shouldnt need to
[12:35] <memorice> how can I set the classpath?
[12:35] <DaveQB> my Breezy-to-dapper system does this fine, but this new Dapper install has this issue
[12:35] <memorice> or better how can I set environment variables (if that is possible in linux)
[12:36] <DaveQB> memorice: export TEST="high there"
[12:36] <DaveQB> memorice:  for example
[12:37] <memorice> ok thanks
[12:37] <DaveQB> memorice:  put it in your ~/.bashrc to have it every time you log in
[12:37] <DaveQB> memorice: yu can create alias' or even funcitons in your ~/.bashrc that will then always be available
[12:38] <memorice> how do I go to .bashrc?
[12:38] <TheHighChild> nano ~/.bashrc
[12:38] <memorice> where is it?
[12:38] <TheHighChild> or late ~/bashrc if you like a GUI editor
[12:38] <memorice> what is ~
[12:38] <DaveQB> memorice:  or kate ~/.bashrc
[12:38] <TheHighChild> kate*
[12:38] <DaveQB> memorice:  ~ is your home like /home/name
[12:39] <memorice> ok thanks :)
[12:39] <DaveQB> memorice: try "echo ~"
[12:39] <DaveQB> memorice: that should expand what your home is set to
[12:39] <memorice> I know what my hostname is :)
[12:39] <memorice> hostname = home*
[12:40] <DaveQB> memorice: sorry ?
[12:40] <DaveQB> $ hostname
[12:40] <DaveQB> will return your hostname
[12:40] <DaveQB> echo $HOSTNAME should too
[12:40] <memorice> sorry,I typed the wrong word
[12:41] <memorice> why is ubuntu using java 1.4 in stead of 1.5?
[12:41] <Healot> that's blackdown for breezy... dapper uses 1.5 from Sun, correct me if I am wrong, kubuntuans
[12:41] <memorice> I've dapper...
[12:42] <DaveQB> Healot: I believe your right
[12:42] <DaveQB> oh
[12:42] <memorice> and it looks like it uses 1.4.2 (GNU libgjc)
[12:43] <samuli> memorice, you need to install sun's java from the multiverse.
[12:43] <Healot> memorice: because you haven't install the Sun's JDK yet
[12:43] <samuli> but it's in the repos.
[12:43] <Healot> that gcj is fake Java :)
[12:43] <samuli> (obviously)
[12:43] <memorice> I've installed sun's jdk from sun.java.com
[12:43] <Healot> package "ia32-sun-java5-bin"
[12:43] <rob_> hello, i have a problem with kubuntu dapper, i hope someone can help me with it.
[12:44] <samuli> ok.. so you need to do something like sudo update-alternatives java
[12:44] <dr3as> damn strange running internet explorer inn kubuntu :p
[12:44] <memorice> apt-get install ia32-sun-java5-bin
[12:44] <memorice> right?
[12:44] <rob_> i have a pci soundcard and an onboard unit on my motherboard
[12:44] <samuli> memorice, do the update-alternatives java   -thing.
[12:44] <rob_> how do i select which one to use by default?
[12:45] <Healot> or you can make your own ubuntu's Sun Java package by installing "make-jpkg"
[12:45] <rob_> now al my sound get's played through my onboard device and that one is crap
[12:45] <samuli> it doesn't matter even if you install it from the repos or make your own package.. ubuntu will still use the older java until you tell it not to.
[12:46] <memorice> update alternatives --config java
[12:46] <samuli> memorice, riiight :)
[12:46] <memorice> no sun there
[12:47] <Healot> it just update the softlink to the desired java interpreter
[12:47] <Healot> and the library path
[12:48] <samuli> memorice, are you using breezy or dapper?
[12:48] <memorice> dapper
[12:48] <samuli> sudo apt-get install sun-java5-jdk then
[12:48] <pekuja> Does anyone know if there is a browser sync extension available for Konqueror that allows synchronising bookmarks and other info between systems?
[12:48] <memorice> Couldn't find package sun-java5-jdk
[12:48] <pekuja> Like the one that Google now has for Firefox: http://www.google.com/tools/firefox/browsersync/
[12:48] <samuli> jdk or jre.. jdk install stuff you don't need if you're not a developer, but they don't take much.
[12:49] <memorice> I am a developer ;-)
[12:49] <samuli> memorice, you need to enable universe, multiverse etc. then.
[12:49] <Healot> i build houses, a developer too... memorice :)
[12:49] <memorice> what was the file name I should edit for that?
[12:49] <memorice> Healot: lol
[12:49] <psb154> memorice, I have the same problem.
[12:50] <samuli> memorice, /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:50] <Healot> !repos
[12:50] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource.
[12:50] <psb154> memorice, I have the multiverse enabled but it still is not available
[12:50] <memorice> thanks
[12:50] <TheHighChild> I don't pekuja, you could always import to firefox and sync that way.
[12:50] <Healot> psb154: lemme see your sources.list file...
[12:50] <samuli> psb154, are you using dapper?
[12:50] <memorice> universe and multiverse were enabled
[12:50] <memorice> psb154: same problem, not available
[12:51] <samuli> memorize, odd, because my apt-cache search founds the package.
[12:51] <psb154> Healot, samuli, I am using dapper
[12:51] <pekuja> TheHighChild, no, I mean syncing between different computers running Konqueror
[12:52] <pekuja> TheHighChild, it essentially requires an external server though, so I doubt there is one
[12:52] <samuli> "sun-java5-jdk - Sun Java(TM) Development Kit (JDK) 5.0" says apt-cache even after updating filelist from the repos.
[12:52] <psb154> where to paste my sources.list
[12:53] <samuli> www.pastebin.com
[12:53] <psb154> ta.
[12:53] <samuli> ubuntu has it's own, but might as well use that.
[12:54] <DaveQB> what does KDE use to auto mount a removable USB device ?
[12:54] <apokryphos> combination of HAL and DBUS
[12:57] <DaveQB> hmmm ok, so why would this fresh install of Dapper not be able to mount the USB device ? although it does the popup and then opens Konqueror at media:/sda but then errors sying /dev/sda isnt in the fstab
[12:57] <psb154> Healot, pastebin psb154 recent post
[12:57] <Healot> which is, my DSL connection dropped just now
[12:58] <samuli> psb154: it's easier for everyone if you just give the address.
[12:58] <psb154> http://pastebin.com/769611
[12:59] <samuli> add 'multiverse' to line 20
[01:00] <CellarDoor> hey all
[01:00] <CellarDoor> I have xgl working... sort of
[01:00] <memorice> just add or replace universe?
[01:01] <samuli> add after it.
[01:01] <memorice> not working for me
[01:01] <memorice> still Couldn't find package sun-java5-jdk
[01:01] <samuli> memorice, did you do sudo apt-get update?
[01:01] <puckman> Anyone here use Japanese with Linux?
[01:01] <CellarDoor> Is anyone familiar with title bars dissappearing when using xgl ?
[01:02] <thoreauputic> !info  sun-java5-jdk
[01:02] <samuli> you need to do that to get repository filelist up-to-date
[01:02] <memorice> no, it's working now :)
[01:02] <memorice> thanks
[01:02] <puckman> did a clean install of dapper and now cant use japanese text in open office even though it is installed
[01:02] <thoreauputic> memorice: wrong package name
[01:02] <memorice> ?
[01:03] <samuli> thoreauputic: no it's o-kay.
[01:04] <thoreauputic> !info sun-java5-jdk dapper
[01:04] <ubotu> sun-java5-jdk: (Sun Java(TM) Development Kit (JDK) 5.0), section multiverse/devel, is optional. Version: 1.5.0-06-1 (dapper), Packaged size: 4868 kB, Installed size: 11548 kB
[01:04] <thoreauputic> OK
[01:04] <memorice> ok javac is working for me now
[01:05] <memorice> java is still using GNU
[01:05] <memorice> how do I change it?
[01:05] <thoreauputic> memorice: sudo update-alternatives --config java
[01:06] <samuli> memorice, sudo update alternatives --config java
[01:06] <memorice> thanks :)
[01:06] <memorice> working now :)
[01:06] <thoreauputic> samuli: am I lagged or are you a slow reader ;)
[01:06] <samuli> It must be you lagging :)
[01:07] <thoreauputic> samuli: 0.3 s - /me doesn't think so
[01:07] <thoreauputic> ;P
[01:07] <samuli> yeah well, shut up ;)
[01:08] <thoreauputic> samuli: beware the wrath of the op
[01:08] <thoreauputic> :-P
[01:08] <thoreauputic> samuli: just kidding :)
[01:09] <Healot> hoho
[01:09] <samuli> hrr hrr, I just didn't read what you were writing.
[01:09] <psb154> hmm still no luck.
[01:09] <psb154> I'm trying for the jre
[01:10] <thoreauputic> !info sun-java5-jre dapper
[01:10] <ubotu> sun-java5-jre: (Sun Java(TM) Runtime Environment (JRE) 5.0), section multiverse/libs, is optional. Version: 1.5.0-06-1 (dapper), Packaged size: 7169 kB, Installed size: 15768 kB
[01:10] <memorice> psb154: stil can't find package problem?
[01:10] <samuli> psb154: you need to sudo apt-get update
[01:11] <psb154> yes
[01:11] <psb154> done the update....
[01:11] <samuli> hmm.
[01:11] <memorice> psb154: apt-get update did work for me :S
[01:11] <psb154> O_o
[01:11] <samuli> well.. it's in the multiverse. There's still something wrong with your sources.list then.
[01:12] <memorice> what is a nice editor for .java files in linux?
[01:12] <memorice> (in windows I was using ultraedit)
[01:12] <sandra> Hello
[01:12] <psb154> memorice, netbeans
[01:12] <memorice> don't like netbeans that much
[01:12] <psb154> netbeans rocks
[01:12] <psb154> what!!!
[01:13] <memorice> I just want to have a text editor
[01:13] <sandra> Trying to upgrade to dapper I get the error "openoffice.org-core: Conflicts: openoffice.org2-l10n-1.9.129 which is a virtual package.  Conflicts: openoffice.org-help-1.9.129 which is a virtual package." when doing aptitude dist-upgrade, any idas ?
[01:13] <DaveQB> memorice: kate has a vast array of highlighting
[01:13] <puckman> lol
[01:13] <puckman> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6880888700625496919
[01:13] <DaveQB> memorice: might include java
[01:14] <memorice> yeah, kate looks nice :)
[01:14] <DaveQB> memorice:  it is
[01:14] <DaveQB> sessions too
[01:15] <memorice> how do I get sessions?
[01:15] <memorice> apt-get install ...
[01:15] <memorice> I see sessions is a memu item in kate :P
[01:15] <memorice> lol
[01:16] <memorice> huge tabs in kate, no line numbers
[01:16] <memorice> need to config that
[01:16] <mwales> Have you tried KDevelop?
[01:17] <pekuja> is there a centralised site for Konqueror extensions?
[01:17] <DaveQB> mwales: kdevelop is just kate on steroids
[01:17] <pekuja> are there many Konqueror extensions in the first place?
[01:17] <psb154> Healot, samuli, thank you for your help, downloading now.
[01:17] <memorice> mwales: no
[01:17] <DaveQB> IMO
[01:18] <Vampis> LOL
[01:18] <Vampis> CTRL+R i konversation makes a line :)
[01:18] <psb154> memorice, you might want to look at eclipse, it is the anti-netbeans.
[01:18] <Vampis> didnt know that
[01:18] <memorice> how can I set the tab-space
[01:18] <memorice> (in kate)
[01:19] <DaveQB> memorice:  not sure if you can , check Tools > config kate
[01:19] <memorice> trying it
[01:19] <memorice> but I can chose for use spaces instead of tabs...
[01:19] <DaveQB> brb
[01:20] <memorice> ah that's working :)
[01:34] <ubo> hallo
[01:37] <everlast_> I'm trying to update my breezy kubuntu to dapper, but when I do 'sudo apt-get dist-upgrade', it gives a list of packages to remove and it has lots of important KDE packages in that list...so I'm a bit afraid to do it
[01:38] <everlast_> it says it will remove 163 packages including ones like kubuntu-desktop and xorg-common and lots of other important-sounding packages
[01:39] <everlast_> is it normal that the upgrading from breezy to dapper removes all those?
[01:47] <eean> Riddell: Amarok 1.4 needs a hard dep on ruby
[01:47] <eean> I'm getting second-hand info that it doesn't
[01:48] <TheHighChild> Any VMware folks out here?
[01:51] <eean> Riddell: +  * Build-dep on libexscalibar1-dev and ruby
[01:52] <eean> its not a build dep at all! we just have configure check for ruby to let distributors know they need to depend on it. >.<
[01:52] <edneymatias> morning!
[01:57] <jlefkowitz> hey everybody
[02:01] <mundial> hi
[02:01] <mundial>  what is the different ubuntu and kubuntu?
[02:01] <memorice> kubuntu is ubuntu with kde in stead of gnome
[02:02] <mundial> and xubuntu?
[02:02] <mundial> :)
[02:02] <memorice> eh
[02:02] <memorice> xfe4 in stead of kde or gnome
[02:03] <stn> Ubuntu is the distro more popular
[02:03] <stn> linux is the new revolution in the world
[02:03] <Chryseus> new?
[02:04] <samuli> distro moore pooppulaare.
[02:04] <stn> well
[02:04] <Chryseus> Isn't it pretty old already? :)
[02:04] <stn> Ubuntu
[02:04] <stn> LInux is not new
[02:04] <stn> however now is very popular
[02:04] <stn> in europe is more popular
[02:04] <memorice> so a new revolution and not a new os :)
[02:05] <stn> than USA and Latin America
[02:05] <stn> yes
[02:05] <memorice> european people are clever ;-)
[02:05] <stn> jajaja
[02:05] <memorice> nederlands nog ook :P
[02:06] <stn> hey excuseme Im latin american
[02:06] <memorice> :P
[02:06] <stn> Im dominican
[02:07] <stn> you know where is dominican republic
[02:07] <memorice> I see
[02:07] <Chryseus> We're not stupid americans ;P
[02:07] <memorice> california I guess?
[02:08] <stn> i use Kubuntu but is the same
[02:08] <highvoltage> hi. is kuickshow in the dapper repositories.
[02:08] <memorice> Chryseus: depends ons the fact if you are reacting to european people are clever ;-)
[02:08] <stn> only is the kde
[02:08] <highvoltage> it's my favourite image viewer and it seems to be just gone :(
[02:08] <defrysk> highvoltage, apt-cache search <package>
[02:08] <Chryseus> memorice: sorry but you don't make any sence to me :D
[02:09] <highvoltage> defrysk: it's not there
[02:09] <memorice> fryslan boppe
[02:09] <memorice> lol
[02:09] <highvoltage> defrysk: but i find that strange, since it's such a good viewer
[02:09] <highvoltage> Riddell: do you know if there's a reason why kuickshow has been dropped (if that's the case)
[02:09] <Chryseus> highvoltage: doesn't seem to be in dapper repositories :(
[02:11] <defrysk> ojee een twent
[02:11] <memorice> lol
[02:11] <memorice> zit op universiteit hier, m'n ouders wone in friesland (ga straks weer naar toe)
[02:11] <Chryseus> ik ben een nieauveling
[02:12] <Chryseus> or something.. :P
[02:12] <terror> USA sux (?)
[02:12] <memorice> lol
[02:12] <memorice> Chryseus: nieuweling
[02:13] <Chryseus> close enough ;)
[02:13] <memorice> indeed
[02:13] <RadiantFire> ok so quick question, I'm trying to use a samba printer, I can print the test page, but nothing else
[02:13] <RadiantFire> anyone know whats up?
[02:14] <terror> America is not USA.
[02:14] <defrysk> highvoltage, try this : http://www.ubuntu-debs.de/app/kuickshow/
[02:14] <defrysk> usa just owns it right ?
[02:15] <mundial> ubuntu and kubuntu is available only on live cd?
[02:15] <defrysk> anyway this is off topic take it somewhere els
[02:15] <memorice> mundial: you can also install it
[02:15] <mundial> from the same cd?
[02:15] <memorice> yes
[02:15] <defrysk> mundial, no there is an alternative cd (for installing only)
[02:15] <RadiantFire> anybody?
[02:15] <memorice> mundial: and there is an alterante install cd...
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[02:16] <RadiantFire> er
[02:16] <rraajj> Wow.
[02:16] <puckman> wtf?
[02:16] <RadiantFire> wtf was tjat
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[02:16] <defrysk> sexygirl13yr, ?
[02:16] <terror> Adept = BIn Laden.
[02:16] <sexygirl13yr> PyroMithrandir ryanakca linuxmonkey scast bleaked_ gurumeditationer StR_gt paelscrit sheldonc drbeams DrBair phreak___ brandon_ winX cliebow_ errpast-wc gilprice alexand3r LeeJunFan kzrout BluDog_Anchorite yuriy wt8008 _pocket apokryphos koshka88 mianiak B4zzA kkathman MasterEvilAce Pitchshifter noaXess Kyral jaaroo kujeger_work shawn__ GNAM Sergi0 Spaceraver gronbaek duende evil-doer D0M1N8R Terminus yonkeltron dumb_noob lowtech gallag
[02:16] <highvoltage> !op
[02:16] <ubotu> highvoltage: Huh? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
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[02:16] <puckman> oh oh
[02:16] <sexygirl13yr> robin_ robin__ dickhall_ Dasnipa` noaXess_kubuntu xijio JabberWo1ky seaLne JavaGeek neko Gwyth lonewolff duckdown narg__ pekuja sampan trip altecad mikmak barros cromo Firetech _max_ Moo bluszcz uniq |robert| paran oomph v3ctor dereks joch ainmosni jmg kozz tomsku echdev Jozo ajmitch_ trappist
[02:16] <RadiantFire> but so yeah, I'm very pissed off, I can't print anything!
[02:16] <puckman> wtf was that#?
[02:17] <highvoltage> spambot
[02:17] <Hawkwind> Spammer
[02:17] <Chryseus> spambot?
[02:17] <Jaymac> sexygirl.. hush :)
[02:17] <Jaymac> oh, she fucked off
[02:17] <defrysk> puckman, a german invader
[02:17] <RadiantFire> gg no re
[02:17] <terror> GARRR ADEPT
[02:17] <terror> :@
[02:17] <RadiantFire> Garrr kde print...
[02:17] <RadiantFire> seriously though, I can print the test page, but everything else comes out garbled and the printer stops
[02:17] <mundial> may i install grub or lilo with ubuntu or kubuntu?
[02:18] <RadiantFire> mundial: no, you are stuck with grub
[02:18] <defrysk> mundial, grub is the deefault
[02:18] <defrysk> but lilo can be installed
[02:18] <srterror> "You will not be robably some other Adept application or apg-get or aptitude). Please close the other aplication before using this one"
[02:18] <mundial> may i use rpm files in ubuntu and kubuntu?
[02:19] <Mirno> hum
[02:19] <RadiantFire> mundial: yes, alien is an rpm/deb converter
[02:19] <RadiantFire> don't replace anything already on the default system with it though
[02:19] <RadiantFire> sure way to break something
[02:19] <defrysk> mundial, most rpms are also available in .deb so try to moderate the usage of alien
[02:20] <defrysk> rpms are trouble and can make trouble
[02:21] <RadiantFire> so, anyone? p rinter being flaky?
[02:24] <highvoltage> ah, found my answer at https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdegraphics/+bug/45265
[02:24] <highvoltage> thanks
[02:26] <piotrek> join #princed
[02:27] <ultm8> hi everybody
[02:27] <ultm8> :oD
[02:28] <srterror> Adept gagergehwdx
[02:28] <seaLne> what is the recomended way to hibernate?
[02:28] <srterror> ='(
[02:28] <ultm8> sleep during the winter months wake up when its summer :oD
[02:28] <memorice> lol
[02:29] <seaLne> :P
[02:29] <neoxan> good night everyone / gute nacht :*
[02:29] <memorice> good morning neoxan ;-)
[02:30] <not_even_time> Am I here?
[02:30] <not_even_time> :) nice
[02:30] <not_even_time> My net has been kinda instable
[02:33] <srterror> Adept Read only mode: Database locked
[02:34] <pussfeller> srterror: that means another instance of apt is probably running somewhere
[02:34] <srterror> =(
[02:34] <srterror> What lr
[02:34] <srterror> waht instance?
[02:34] <pussfeller> like, you started it twice, or a previous one didn't get killed off properly
[02:35] <srterror> como killed?
[02:35] <pussfeller> agept is a front end to apt, which handles program installation
[02:35] <pussfeller> turned off
[02:36] <srterror> adept: no process killed
[02:36] <pussfeller> try typing "ps aux | grep apt and seeing
[02:36] <srterror> >.<
[02:36] <pussfeller> err "ps aux | grep apt"
[02:36] <GNAM> when I install nvidia-glx, my system hangs during restart/shutdown
[02:36] <pussfeller> thats the only thing I know to do
[02:36] <GNAM> any idea?
[02:37] <pussfeller> till you reboot
[02:37] <imbrandon> morning all
[02:38] <imbrandon> GNAM: no clue sorry man
[02:39] <noaXess> a simple question... if i install something from source: ./configure, make, sudo make install... how is it possible, to uninstall/remove it clearly later?
[02:39] <imbrandon> noaXess well if you do it sligtly diffrent it is
[02:39] <defrysk> morning imbrandon
[02:39] <imbrandon> install a program called checkinstall ( sudo apt-get checkinstall ) then ......
[02:39] <noaXess> imbrandon: how?.. is ther normaly a way in the source?
[02:40] <imbrandon> ./configure , make , and instead of make install do checkinstall
[02:40] <imbrandon> it will create a .deb
[02:40] <imbrandon> that you can later remove
[02:40] <noaXess> hm..
[02:41] <noaXess> aha.. ./configure, make,.. and then create a deb file.. with which command?
[02:41] <imbrandon> iheya defrysk
[02:41] <imbrandon> noaXess "checkinstall"
[02:41] <imbrandon> noaXess just replace the command "sudo make install" with "sudo checkinstall"
[02:41] <imbrandon> everything else is done normaly
[02:42] <imbrandon> from the documentation from what ever src you get
[02:42] <seaLne> imbrandon: any idea what the recomended way to use hibernate is?
[02:42] <seaLne> a graphical way
[02:42] <noaXess> imbrandon: ok.. then checkinstall is a command.. but then i need this package.. cause checkinstall is not available..
[02:42] <Hobbsee> checkinstall is evil
[02:42] <noaXess> or am i wrong.. sorry for that..
[02:42] <imbrandon> seaLne: not sure if there is one atm, its in the works kinda afaik
[02:43] <imbrandon> noaXess "sudo apt-get install checkinstall"
[02:43] <imbrandon> heya Hobbsee
[02:43] <seaLne> never tried to play with it before but i'd like it working for a users laptop
[02:43] <Hobbsee> seaLne: sudo /whatver/path/it/is/acpi/hibernate.sh
[02:43] <Hobbsee> seaLne: tried kpowersave?
[02:43] <Hobbsee> hey imbrandon
[02:43] <noaXess> hey Hobbsee
[02:44] <Hobbsee> hey noaXess
[02:44] <MasterEvilAce> no hello for me? :(
[02:44] <imbrandon> heh
[02:44] <linuxmonkey> no
[02:44] <linuxmonkey> hello Hobbsee
[02:44] <imbrandon> 'ello monkey and ace
[02:44] <defrysk> never ;p
[02:45] <Hobbsee> hey linuxmonkey
[02:45] <MasterEvilAce> hello
[02:45] <Hobbsee> hi MasterEvilAce
[02:45] <Hobbsee> hey defrysk
[02:45] <Hobbsee> anyone i missed?
[02:45] <defrysk> hey Hobbsee
[02:45] <MasterEvilAce> hi hobbsee, imbrandon
[02:45] <linuxmonkey> Hello *
[02:45] <MasterEvilAce> hey defrysk
[02:45] <defrysk> hey MasterEvilAce
[02:45] <linuxmonkey> :) there i got everyone
[02:45] <MasterEvilAce> sup linuxmonkey
[02:45] <imbrandon> hahaha
[02:45] <imbrandon> ok ok
[02:46] <noaXess> imbrandon: is there any howto, for building deb packages?
[02:46] <linuxmonkey> just setup kmail to handle the mailling list
[02:46] <imbrandon> yea the debian new maintainers guide
[02:46] <Hobbsee> noaXess: the good, but harder way, or the bad and evil hack way?
[02:46] <imbrandon> hehe
[02:46] <noaXess> Hobbsee: hm.. what you prefere
[02:47] <imbrandon> checkinstall == evil hack way thats quick and easy, debian maint guide but will tkae some time to learn
[02:47] <Hobbsee> noaXess: http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html
[02:47] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: you dont have to point striaght to debian maintainers guide - IIRC it's linked off that anyway
[02:47] <defrysk> so checkinstall it is :D
[02:47] <hustla> hi a little newbie question. I've installed cups on my local networkserver. so the deamon is running but I cant connect to port:631
[02:48] <Hobbsee> noaXess: you cant redistribute the files made with checkinstall, or use them on another machine.
[02:48] <imbrandon> noaXess depends on what your wanting to do with the finished deb, if its for anyone but your self then do it the way of the link, if its only for your self then checkinstall is fine
[02:48] <seaLne> Hobbsee: wasn't sure if that was the recomended way, i'll try it
[02:49] <noaXess> imbrandon: aha.. now i see it.. sorry.. i haven't seen your comment to install the package checkinstall.. damn.. sorry...
[02:49] <Hobbsee> seaLne: well...they all should work...some work better than others
[02:49] <Hobbsee> !checkinstall
[02:49] <ubotu> [checkinstall]  http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CheckInstall
[02:49] <noaXess> yea.. sorry.. my fault..
[02:49] <imbrandon> no but like i said checkinstall is ok for if you are only doing something for yourself and only for the box your on, but not to distribute at all
[02:50] <noaXess> imbrandon: first.. it's for me.. :) i trying to get synce working.. http://synce.sf.net
[02:50] <imbrandon> if you plan on distribute the deb definately learn the ubuntu way of packageing
[02:51] <imbrandon> yea if its for you and only you, install checkinstall and just replace the command "sudo make install" with "sudo checkinstall"
[02:52] <imbrandon> everything else as normal
[02:52] <Hobbsee> which is also why you shouldnt use the versions of packages from  the ubuntu forums, unless they're made by a dev (and or have the source provided)
[02:52] <seaLne> Hobbsee: how do i unsuspend from ram?
[02:52] <Hobbsee> seaLne: er, hit the power button?
[02:52] <seaLne> :0
[02:52] <seaLne> ok corrupted screen
[02:53] <noaXess> thanks imbrandon..
[02:53] <noaXess> and Hobbsee
[02:53] <noaXess> :)
[02:54] <imbrandon> Hobbsee:  what was that link instead of the debian main guide ? ( so i can bookmark it to tell others later )
[02:54] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html
[02:54] <imbrandon> thx ;)
[02:56] <Hobbsee> !tell imbrandon about packagingguide
[02:56] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: how's that?
[02:56] <imbrandon> hahahahha ;)
[02:56] <imbrandon> thanks
[02:56] <Hobbsee> :)
[02:56] <Hobbsee> saves keeping on looking it up
[02:57] <imbrandon> looks good ;)
[02:57] <imbrandon> i always forget about the bot
[02:57] <rahab> hi there
[02:58] <rahab> does anyone know when edgy repos will open up ??
[02:58] <imbrandon> 'ello
[02:58] <BazziR> rahab: should be up
[02:58] <Hobbsee> rahab: soon.
[02:58] <imbrandon> rahab: open for what ? they exist now but i wouldent use them as 110% likely you will get a broken system atm as the toolchain is not complete
[02:59] <koriel> hi all, I'm  noticing some strange things with my system..(kubuntu 6)...all of a sadden my keyboard is not working properly..I mean some  times it types the char twice and sometimes not at all...I cant control it...and my mouse always going at  the top of a drop menu...any ideas
[02:59] <rahab> mhh ok. i guess there will be some kind of announcement on the forums when edgy will be kind of working, right ?
[03:00] <Hobbsee> rahab: probably.  see #ubuntu+1 's topic for more info - that's where it gets updated first
[03:00] <rahab> Hobbsee: k, thx
[03:02] <rahab> koriel: maybe you messed up your xorg.conf ?
[03:04] <noaXess> does anybody know the command aclocal? i which package is it included?
[03:05] <koriel> I didn't touch it at alll
[03:06] <defrysk> apt-cache search aclocal
[03:06] <nidal> hi all, I have a problem. whenever I try to open any link from konqueror (e.g my home folder) it says  "kdeinit could not launch " . but when I give "konqueror /home/thefolder" its working fine.whatz the problem ?
[03:06] <nidal> I am using dapper
[03:06] <nelius> hi there
[03:06] <dshum> use SUSE instead.
[03:07] <koriel> ;
[03:07] <noaXess> defrysk: it's in libguile-dev included..
[03:07] <defrysk> koriel, thats not utf8?
[03:07] <nelius> i have a problem with authentication on kdm in a pam-ldap setup
[03:07] <dshum> hey ppl, just wondering does 6.06 come with those unofficial ATI drivers?
[03:07] <dshum> i had trouble installing them in 5.10
[03:07] <koriel> 
[03:08] <Hobbsee> !ati
[03:08] <ubotu> I heard ati is http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/hardware.html#installatidriver or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI ... the radeon 9200 and below are supported by the open-source drivers
[03:08] <dshum> i've got 9600
[03:10] <dshum> so how's kubuntu...
[03:10] <dshum> everyone
[03:10] <imbrandon> rockin
[03:10] <Jack_Sparrow> Is there a way to save my changes to programs and style or a full backup
[03:11] <dshum> kde better than gnome?
[03:11] <Hobbsee> dshum: of course.
[03:11] <imbrandon> Jack_Sparrow: most personal settings are in /home/<username> just back that up
[03:11] <dshum> yeah?
[03:11] <dshum> well i'll give it a go
[03:11] <dshum> when they send me my cds
[03:11] <Jack_Sparrow> thanks imbrandon
[03:11] <imbrandon> dshum: your in a kde centric room please state questions as not to troll ;)
[03:11] <dshum> or is there an easy way to upgrade from ubuntu 5.10 to kubuntu 6.06?
[03:12] <Hobbsee> !upgrade
[03:12] <ubotu> Upgrading to Ubuntu 5.10 breezy -> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgrade. Upgrading to Ubuntu 6.06 Dapper -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperUpgrades . Note: gksudo "update-manager -d" always updates to the latest development verison: (eft when its open)
[03:12] <Jack_Sparrow> What will a backup of the home directory Not save..
[03:12] <seaLne> eft?
[03:12] <dshum> well i'm in the middle of uni assignments
[03:12] <dshum> i don't want the upgrade to screw everything up...
[03:12] <Hobbsee> seaLne: next release...
[03:13] <Hobbsee> seaLne: also known as edgy
[03:13] <seaLne> that was what i ment
[03:13] <Hobbsee> dshum: probably not a great idea to upgrade in the middle then...
[03:13] <imbrandon> Jack_Sparrow: lots of thing, what are talking about saving ? it will save things like personal prefrences for kde programs etc ~/.kde/*
[03:13] <dshum> how do i triple-boot kubuntu, os x and winxp on a macbook?
[03:13] <defrysk> dshum, unless you flunk and need a good excuse....
[03:13] <dshum> does the new kubuntu support the intel-macs?
[03:13] <Jack_Sparrow> Ok, and I can save my theme to my home dir as well?
[03:14] <dshum> it says the mac version is for powerpc still
[03:14] <Hobbsee> dshum: got no idea...
[03:14] <imbrandon> dshum: if its the x86 macbooks its just as simple as a normal install
[03:14] <seaLne> ah of course its edgy eft, silly me
[03:14] <Jack_Sparrow> thanks brb
[03:14] <dshum> but i want it to triple-boot
[03:15] <dshum> i want bootcamp to show all 3 options at startup
[03:15] <imbrandon> dshum: ahh using bootcamp yo have to follow the bootcamp doc's
[03:15] <imbrandon> dshum: bootcamp is its own beaste
[03:16] <cliebow_> anyone see krootimage crashing on ltsp terminals?
[03:17] <imbrandon> dshum: but just to let you know i've never personaly done it with bootcamp but i've seen successes in here, but i do tripple boot OSXx86 and Kubuntu 6.06 and FreeBSD all on my iMac ( x86 Core Duo )
[03:17] <h3sp4wn> How can I generate a suitable dpatch is there a way of doing it semi automatically or do I have to manually run the diffs then make the dpatch file myself (I have manged to get wpa_supplicant working properly with madwifi-ng and knetworkmanager by using the includes from madwifi-ng against wpa_supplicant 0.4.9-1)
[03:17] <imbrandon> cliebow_: you might be better of asking in #edubuntu , they are the ltsp experts
[03:18] <imbrandon> h3sp4wn: the latter
[03:18] <h3sp4wn> manually ?
[03:19] <imbrandon> yea run the diff -ruN etc and make the dpatch
[03:19] <imbrandon> is how _I_ would do it
[03:19] <seaLne> same here
[03:19] <h3sp4wn> Thats the only way I can see how to do it
[03:22] <noaXess> i get two errors on make'ing my linux-source-2.6.15
[03:22] <noaXess> [drivers/usb/net/zd1211/zddevlist.h]  Error 1
[03:23] <noaXess> [stamp-build]  Error 2
[03:23] <noaXess> i don't see more details... is there any logfile after make-kpkg?
[03:25] <NthDegree> hmmmmmm someone called?
[03:25] <seaLne> Hobbsee: any idea where to set presumably the swap partition for kpowersave?
[03:26] <Hobbsee> seaLne: er....not a clue...unless its a config option
[03:26] <seaLne> swap partition '8:1' is not available cannot suspend to disk
[03:26] <seaLne> thats when i try to suspend to disk
[03:27] <NthDegree> seaLne you need a swap partition double the size of your RAM
[03:27] <NthDegree> and it must be a proper swap partition (not any other type)
[03:28] <seaLne> arrggh i just added more ram to it that will be the problem :(
[03:28] <defrysk> seaLne, no
[03:29] <defrysk> one gig ram does not require 2 gigs swap
[03:29] <seaLne> what does it require?
[03:29] <defrysk> 1:2 is not always needed
[03:29] <defrysk> seaLne, 1:1 should do fine
[03:29] <NthDegree> ummm actually defrysk I have professional partitioning tools that make you do double RAM for the exact reason mentioned
[03:29] <seaLne> k
[03:30] <NthDegree> 1:1 will only work assuming you haven't got anything else currently in swap otherwise it bottles it
[03:30] <h3sp4wn> Maybe you may need 120% of your ram maybe
[03:30] <h3sp4wn> Not 200%
[03:31] <NthDegree> h3sp4wn to do any justice it's 1.5x your RAM to 3x your RAM will work effectively
[03:31] <seaLne> either way now i don't have enough grr
[03:32] <h3sp4wn> If I had 1.5gb of swap in use my system would be too slow to be useable
[03:32] <h3sp4wn> (My disk system is not good enough)
[03:33] <NthDegree> I have 1GB RAM and PartitionMagic does things based on fundamental issues that linux has had
[03:34] <h3sp4wn> I don't trust partitionmagic at all
[03:34] <defrysk> partitionmagic is not the tool i would use
[03:34] <NthDegree> h3sp4wn well after finding partitions a little braindead I decided to use it
[03:34] <gan|y|med> hallo
[03:35] <NthDegree> e.g linux makes extended partitions WRONG they are meant to be extendedX if they are beyond cylinder 1024
[03:35] <seaLne> servers are so much easier to configure than desktops
[03:35] <gan|y|med> is it normal that a php install does not create links in /etc/apache2/mods-enabled for php by default?
[03:36] <NthDegree> also the cluster size options PM has is superior to what the natural debian-installer can do
[03:36] <Leopard> when i have dapper-cdrom in AND apt-cdrom add WORKS: why does apt-get dist-upgrade downloads everything from internet?
[03:37] <h3sp4wn> mkfs.ext3 supports setting cluster size
[03:37] <Leopard> and apt-get dist-upgrade dies nothing when internet sources removed from sources.list
[03:37] <NthDegree> because Leopard you haven't added the CD repository for Dapper
[03:37] <NthDegree> it is still the breezy one I bet
[03:38] <gan|y|med> ok, more general. how is the debian way of installing php5 on an apache2 server?
[03:39] <NthDegree> apt-get install php5-apache maybe
[03:39] <imbrandon> yup
[03:40] <NthDegree> Leopard change the word breezy for dapper on the CD repo
[03:41] <gan|y|med> there is no such package. i have a complete install (i think) but had to add the links manually. so something went wrong when i installed, did it?
[03:41] <gan|y|med> didn't it?
[03:42] <NthDegree> not sure
[03:42] <Leopard> @NthDegree: there was ONLY "deb... CD rom dapper 6.06 i386 ..." in sources.list...
[03:42] <NthDegree> that should do Leopard
[03:43] <jwat> Can anyone give me suggestions as to how to solve my Sudo Kcontrol error?
[03:43] <Leopard> @nthdegree: ok i'll try on the next pc. laptop didnt want to ;) - THX !
[03:43] <defrysk> jwat, why use sudo for kcontrol ?
[03:43] <NthDegree> Leopard, i found kubuntu's install fundamentally flawed
[03:44] <jwat> I'm getting Error: "/var/tmp/kdecache-jwat is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0"
[03:44] <NthDegree> it's alternate CD always crashes on me :(
[03:44] <defrysk> jwat, start kcontrol without sudo
[03:44] <NthDegree> and I need it's expert setup aswell
[03:44] <h3sp4wn> Use debootstrap then
[03:44] <defrysk> the admin options in kcontol will ask for your sudo passwd
[03:45] <gan|y|med> NthDegree: i have made the same experience
[03:45] <jwat> OK.  I'll give that a shot
[03:45] <Leopard> dist-upgrade through internet worked great.
[03:45] <NthDegree> red screen at "select and install software"?
[03:46] <h3sp4wn> Leopard: Is it the alternative cd you have ? the desktop cd doesn't have the debs on it I don't think
[03:46] <Leopard> oh. i have desktop cd ^^
[03:46] <ecker> whens the new release for 6.06 come out
[03:46] <Leopard> ITs aout ecker
[03:46] <defrysk> ecker, 3 weeks ago ?
[03:47] <jwat> does anyone else have the problem of the kcontrol windows being cut off because their screen resolution is smaller than ideal?
[03:47] <ecker> wasn't there a stable relese coming, or is that out too?
[03:47] <defrysk> echdev, 606 is aout yes
[03:47] <ecker> ok
[03:47] <Leopard> it's out since first of 06/06 !
[03:47] <defrysk> Leopard, no
[03:48] <defrysk> 6 weeks later
[03:48] <defrysk> oh no it was 604
[03:48] <defrysk> sorry
[03:49] <gan|y|med> ciao
[03:49] <Leopard> bye
[03:50] <ecker> why does my girlfriend gotta be so demanding ?
[03:51] <imbrandon> lol
[03:51] <xwolf-> adept updater (in the tray) shows me there is a package upgradable. how do i make it ignore that package?
[03:52] <koriel> is there a 3d desktop switcher for kde?
[03:52] <ecker> bbiab later all
[03:52] <koriel> or the other facility that arranges all open windows in the desktop?
[03:54] <neuron_> hy
[03:54] <neuron_> i got xgl installed
[03:54] <neuron_> is there any way if making cedega work? :D
[04:02] <jwat> has anyone else encountered the problem of not being able to see all of a particular window in kcontrol?
[04:02] <neuron_> !xgl
[04:02] <ubotu> XGL on Ubuntu: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CompositeManager - Join #ubuntu-xgl for all the XGL fun on Ubuntu systems.  Pretty videos on http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease/  See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[04:02] <xwolf-> adept updater (in the tray) shows me there is a package upgradable. how do i make it ignore that package?
[04:06] <mth`MAW> Hi there, I am chatting wiht konversation... Does konversation has a funktion, to mark the chat where the chat window left focus?!
[04:06] <mth`MAW> I knew somthing like that from xchat (former times :)
[04:06] <vinboy> anyone know why the Skype gives me this ? --> *** glibc detected *** free(): invalid pointer: 0x08a133f8 ***
[04:06] <kkathman> good morning all (or whatever time it is there)
[04:07] <psb154> Hello Installed sun-java-jre what apt command do I use to set it as the default java or do I adjust my path?
[04:07] <defrysk> mth`MAW, I still use xchat ;)
[04:07] <mth`MAW> damn :)
[04:07] <BazziR> psb154 update-alternatives --config java
[04:07] <psb154> BassiR thank you.
[04:07] <psb154> BazziR thank you.
[04:07] <psb154> :-)
[04:07] <mth`MAW> defrysk: I like the function to connect the Contacts in IRC with my adressbook
[04:08] <mth`MAW> xchat aint do that
[04:08] <defrysk> mth`MAW, I dont use that function
[04:08] <defrysk> so I dont need it hehe
[04:09] <mth`MAW> mhm... it is a pitty, that it is not build in there...
[04:09] <mth`MAW> It is soooo comfortable
[04:09] <mth`MAW> and handy
[04:09] <mth`MAW> and cool
[04:09] <mth`MAW> and ...
[04:09] <mth`MAW> :)
[04:10] <xwolf-> !qemu
[04:10] <ubotu> I guess qemu is an emulator you can use to run another operating system - see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WindowsXPUnderQemuHowTo or http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=200357&postcount=1
[04:16] <biosolar> anyone here get skype working on AMD64?  running 6.06, looked here http://forum.skype.com/viewtopic.php?t=54906& to no avail -  The repository doesn't work for apt-get, I did the dpkg -i skype~~~  , I tried alienizing the Mandriva RPM build, but ran into problems there with alien.   Any ideas?
[04:20] <neuron_> is there any way of switching from Xgl to X and back
[04:21] <BazziR> biosolar: use the ubuntu package?
[04:21] <BazziR> + chroot
[04:23] <biosolar> BazziR - Running Kubuntu, used the skype download .deb (ubuntu) package, and it gives me nothing
[04:23] <imbrandon> + chroot, you will have to setup a 32bit chroot
[04:24] <biosolar> I'm kindof a newbie, but I did get it working on Fedora5
[04:24] <imbrandon> one sec
[04:24] <biosolar> ok - what's the chroot 32 - an emulator/wrapper type thing?
[04:24] <imbrandon> it lets you run 32bit programs in 64bit
[04:24] <imbrandon> os
[04:24] <imbrandon> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot
[04:25] <biosolar> going to that link now...
[04:25] <imbrandon> that howto is for firefox, but you can easly adapt it for skype
[04:26] <neuron_> can in run multiple x servers with kde?
[04:26] <neuron_> i want to run Xgl/X separatly
[04:26] <neuron_> or at least a way of changing between them
[04:27] <imbrandon> neuron_: yes you can, now is there an easy way to do it or a howto , no
[04:27] <biosolar> imbrandon - ok - installed the chroot... continuing on the page now...
[04:27] <imbrandon> biosolar: yea follow it all the way to the bottom
[04:28] <imbrandon> biosolar: do everything it says and you should be good
[04:28] <neuron_> imbrandon: can you give a link please?
[04:28] <imbrandon> neuron_: thats what i was saying, theres not a simple howto to do it, its not easy at all
[04:29] <imbrandon> but it can be done yes
[04:29] <neuron_> how should i start?
[04:29] <biosolar> imbrandon - thanks - I'll be back to let you know if I'm not an ijit.  :-)
[04:30] <imbrandon> basicly you stop kdm from loading , learn to login at the prompt and startx manualy then setup two users one for normal x and one for xgl , then setup ~/.xsession files to start each user pointing to the correct server
[04:31] <winbond> i need some help with creating a script,  can i use opeoffice writer to make a script file?
[04:31] <Hobbsee> winbond: you can use kate or something
[04:31] <belk> 
[04:31] <imbrandon> winbond: you can but something like kate or nano is more suited
[04:31] <neuron_> imbrandon: cant i start two xservers at the same time?
[04:31] <imbrandon> neuron_: yes
[04:31] <belk>       ?  !   
[04:31] <neuron_> without 2 users
[04:32] <winbond> ok , is kate and nano command based or gui?
[04:32] <imbrandon> yes as long as its the same server , you just start a new session
[04:32] <imbrandon> but 2 diffrent server == 2 diffrent users
[04:32] <imbrandon> winbond: kate is gui , nano is command line
[04:32] <h3sp4wn> neuron_: I think you can start Xgl from a script using /usr/bin/Xgl :1 DISPLAY=:1 etc in a script
[04:32] <winbond> o ,ty
[04:33] <neuron_> hmm, and how could i stop it? :D
[04:33] <neuron_> killall Xgl? :))
[04:33] <imbrandon> logout ;)
[04:34] <imbrandon> neuron_: going down that road will be long and tricky but it will be good for you, and when you get it accomplished write a howto ;)
[04:34] <neuron_> cant i start X to replace Xgl?
[04:34] <neuron_> or at least make cedega work under xgl :D
[04:34] <imbrandon> neuron_: no it will start on a nother console
[04:34] <imbrandon> like ctl atl f8 / etc
[04:34] <neuron_> thats what i want :d
[04:35] <neuron_> so, if i start X it will be on vt8 or smthin :D
[04:35] <neuron_> without xgl
[04:35] <neuron_> eight?
[04:35] <neuron_> right
[04:35] <imbrandon> no start x normaly and start xgl with a script pointing to display :1 and it will be on vt8
[04:36] <neuron_> okay
[04:36] <neuron_> i got to figure out how i can make Xgl not load at startup now :D
[04:36] <imbrandon> just change your kdmrc back
[04:36] <neuron_> okay
[04:37] <h3sp4wn> neuron_: You could alternatively use  /usr/bin/Xorg :1
[04:37] <imbrandon> brb food time
[04:37] <h3sp4wn> to start normal Xorg on vt8
[04:38] <belk> 
[04:38] <belk> blin tut est russkie?
[04:38] <neuron_> hehe
[04:38] <neuron_> that would be easyer :D
[04:38] <belk> ili odni burguiny?
[04:39] <neuron_> h3sp4wn: hmm, that didnt seem to work
[04:39] <neuron_> h3sp4wn: i got boot mesages on vt
[04:39] <neuron_> vt8
[04:39] <qbyte> I have a laptop with an AMD64.  I"m currently running Kubuntu 6.06 X86.  Would the speed be worth it to wipe and reinstall the 64 bit version?
[04:40] <winbond> anyone here is running xgl on kde?
[04:40] <neuron_> i am
[04:40] <winbond> im following a guide
[04:40] <winbond> and i cant understand this line
[04:41] <winbond>  Now make sure it's +x'd/executable with chmod +x
[04:41] <h3sp4wn> neuron_: try running sudo Xorg :1 from a terminal (if that works it means it just a problem with the suid bits)
[04:41] <h3sp4wn> neuron_: i.e from a vt
[04:41] <neuron_> chmod +x  <file>
[04:41] <rraajj> winbond: Just make the script executable.
[04:41] <rraajj> winbond: chmod +x <filename>
[04:41] <rraajj> Yeah, like what neuron said. :D
[04:41] <neuron_> h3sp4wn: i got my root passwd changed :D
[04:42] <h3sp4wn> neuron_: Have you disabled sudo also ?
[04:42] <h3sp4wn> neuron_: Just run it by logging in as root from a vt then
[04:42] <winbond> so i have to type in in the command line chmod +x,filename of the script>?
[04:42] <rraajj> winbond: Yep.
[04:42] <h3sp4wn> neuron_: (only to check whether it loads a blank X) then it will be just a case of changing the suid bits on Xorg)
[04:42] <neuron_> h3sp4wn: that worked, kinda
[04:43] <h3sp4wn> neuron_: You get the blank X screen ?
[04:43] <neuron_> it did load a blank X
[04:43] <neuron_> yes
[04:43] <neuron_> but i couldnt change back to vt7, or any vt at all
[04:43] <winbond> thank you
[04:44] <neuron_> and i got a error: (EE) xf86OpenSerial: Cannot open device /dev/wacom
[04:45] <h3sp4wn> does /usr/bin/X symlink to Xgl ?
[04:45] <neuron_> wait a sec
[04:46] <neuron_> ls -hn didnt show any linking
[04:46] <neuron_> i changed the kderc
[04:46] <neuron_> to load xgl, if i remember corectly
[04:47] <h3sp4wn> try running just X :1 (as your normal user from the terminal)
[04:47] <winbond> ok , i named the script ~/.Xsession, and saved it on the desktop  but it dissapeared, i cant see it anywhere
[04:47] <imbrandon> winbond: ~/ is the directory not part of the name of the file
[04:48] <rraajj> winbond: You don't place it in the desktop. :D
[04:48] <imbrandon> and .files are hidden
[04:48] <rraajj> winbond: Save the file as .Xsession, and place it in your home directory.
[04:48] <imbrandon> ~/ means home dir
[04:48] <neuron_> h3sp4wn: it worked, but i couldnt change the vt, and X was blank again
[04:48] <winbond> ahhhhh
[04:48] <h3sp4wn> neuron_: You need something like this http://pastebin.com/770079
[04:50] <neuron_> h3sp4wn: nice, do i start kde without ay arguments?
[04:50] <KarnaK> Hey, can i play World of Warcraft on my Kubuntu or do i need some extra program?
[04:51] <belk> -)
[04:51] <belk> :-0
[04:51] <h3sp4wn> neuron_: /usr/bin/startkde I suppose but I don't know whether two copies can properly run at once you are better off with a more minimalistic windows manager probably
[04:51] <neuron_> i just need something to run cedega :D
[04:52] <neuron_> cant i just run cedega? :D
[04:52] <h3sp4wn> I don't know anything about it
[04:52] <neuron_> okay, i`ll give it a try
[04:52] <h3sp4wn> try running fluxbox or something on it would probably be easiest
[04:52] <BelK> how can i turn on the language button in KDE?
[04:52] <winbond> is my ~/ "/home/ or /home/user/?
[04:53] <imbrandon>  /home/user
[04:53] <h3sp4wn> ~ is the value of $HOME
[04:53] <BelK> how can i turn on the language button in KDE?'
[04:53] <winbond> ty
[04:53] <imbrandon> type "cd ~/" without the quotes and it will put you in the correct dir
[04:54] <h3sp4wn> or just cd ~
[04:54] <imbrandon> or just cd
[04:54] <imbrandon> ;)
[04:54] <h3sp4wn> yep
[04:54] <neuron_> h3sp4wn: can i do that on vt6 ?
[04:54] <neuron_> or vt7+ ?
[04:54] <Mirno> echo $HOME is usefull too
[04:54] <h3sp4wn> It would do it on vt8 by default
[04:54] <neuron_> i got boot mesages on vt8
[04:55] <h3sp4wn> edit /etc/inittab then
[04:55] <imbrandon> neuron_: x starts on 7 with :0 and 8 with :1 etc etc etc
[04:55] <neuron_> okay
[04:55] <neuron_> and reboot after i modify it?
[04:55] <BelK> HELP! Fuckin KDE!how can i turn on the language button in KDE?
[04:55] <h3sp4wn> I think that may put the first X onto vt6
[04:56] <winbond> so when i  chmod +x ~/.Xsession does it suposed to say anything or just go back to command line?
[04:56] <h3sp4wn> (presuming you remove getty from there)
[04:56] <imbrandon> BelK: please keep the language PG in here
[04:56] <BelK> what?
[04:56] <neuron_> hmm
[04:56] <winbond> or should i sudo  chmod +x ~/.Xsession
[04:56] <winbond> ?
[04:56] <BelK> ok ok
[04:56] <neuron_> and how can i do that and continue running the script?
[04:56] <h3sp4wn> neuron_: Just move the boot messages to vt12
[04:56] <neuron_> how?
[04:57] <imbrandon> winbond: yes
[04:57] <neuron_> i think thy are just printed there
[04:57] <neuron_> they
[04:57] <winbond> imbrandon: sudo?
[04:57] <h3sp4wn> neuron_: Did you put them on vt8 ?
[04:57] <neuron_> no getty is spawned in vt8 so i cant login
[04:57] <neuron_> no, i just installed dapper
[04:57] <imbrandon> winbond:  yes
[04:57] <h3sp4wn> neuron_: Login to any other vt
[04:58] <neuron_> if i start a blank X server, shouldnt i bee able to ctrl+alt+fx ?
[04:58] <h3sp4wn> neuron_: You should be able to
[04:58] <neuron_> it doenst work
[04:58] <h3sp4wn> neuron_: Dunno about Xgl though
[04:59] <neuron_> Xgl does
[04:59] <h3sp4wn> neuron_: I know it works with normal X for me (2 instances)
[04:59] <Pitchshifter> !tell Pitchshifter about xgl
[04:59] <winbond> imbrandon: how can i make sure the file is there , how can i see the scripts couse when they start with a . they are invisible in kde
[05:00] <imbrandon> winbond: in konsole type "ls -la" it will list hidden files also
[05:00] <neuron_> are you able to run 2 kdes?
[05:00] <winbond> imbrandon: dand , you know it all , thanks
[05:00] <imbrandon> heh , not it all but your welcome
[05:01] <imbrandon> neuron_: yes
[05:01] <kkathman> winbond:  In Konqueror you can turn on hidden files, too
[05:01] <imbrandon> neuron_: but i wouldent run 2 kde's from the same user as they will both try to access ~/.kde files
[05:01] <neuron_> how can i move the boot mesages to any other vt ?
[05:01] <neuron_> imbrandon: is that a problem?
[05:02] <imbrandon> neuron_: yes
[05:02] <neuron_> why exactly?
[05:02] <h3sp4wn> neuron_: All you would get is the messages for starting X on that vt
[05:02] <h3sp4wn> neuron_: (actually I don't use usplash)
[05:02] <neuron_> h3sp4wn: hmm, yes in fact, its X messages
[05:05] <neuron_> imbrandon: if i start X&kde, i still need to login, right?
[05:05] <h3sp4wn> neuron_: run X :1 from the terminal switch away straight away back to the other one
[05:05] <imbrandon> no , kdm is the login manager, if you start kde it will use the user you started it as
[05:06] <SubNet> Servus zusammen!
[05:06] <neuron_> as root, right?
[05:06] <h3sp4wn> imbrandon: Can two copies of kde as the same user run at the same time properly ?
[05:06] <SubNet> Wei jemand wo ich ein SVG-Kubuntu-Logo herbekomme?
[05:06] <SubNet> Ohh - sorry - wrong channel ;)
[05:06] <imbrandon> h3sp4wn: never tried but i'm sure its possible
[05:07] <neuron_> h3sp4wn: X :1 as root?
[05:07] <h3sp4wn> neuron_: Not as root
[05:07] <neuron_> okay
[05:07] <imbrandon> h3sp4wn: probbly the same thing as using the kmenu --> start new session
[05:07] <imbrandon> not sure though
[05:08] <h3sp4wn> imbrandon: I know you have problems if you try to run one copy of kde from inside schroot and one normally
[05:08] <imbrandon> yea that i do know
[05:08] <biosolar> :/# debootstrap --arch i386 sid sid/ http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/
[05:08] <biosolar> bash: debootstrap: command not found
[05:08] <imbrandon> personaly i just create 2 users , each running their own kde if needed
[05:08] <h3sp4wn> I only need 1 kde
[05:09] <imbrandon> biosolar: you dont need to install a sid chroot
[05:09] <h3sp4wn> (most of the time)
[05:09] <biosolar> ahhh - ok, so just continue from there?
[05:09] <imbrandon> biosolar: yup
[05:09] <neuron_> h3sp4wn: i cant run cedega on Xgl, and this is why i`m trying to run X separatly
[05:10] <biosolar> ibrandon - ok - setting up the dchroot now...
[05:10] <h3sp4wn> neuron_: There are some patches to get Xephr working under Xgl maybe that would be more helpful
[05:10] <neuron_> hmmm
[05:10] <h3sp4wn> neuron_: Xephyr sorry
[05:10] <neuron_> that means cedega under Xgl? :D
[05:10] <h3sp4wn> neuron_: It means under Xephyr
[05:10] <imbrandon> neuron_: just rember this is all POSSIBLE just not easy ;)
[05:11] <neuron_> whats than?
[05:11] <h3sp4wn> neuron_: You need to build Xgl from svn though with some patches
[05:11] <imbrandon> Xephyr is a kdrive based X Server which targets a window on a host X Server as its framebuffer.
[05:11] <neuron_> hm,, i`d rather not :D
[05:12] <h3sp4wn> neuron_: You shouldn't use development code if you are not willing to apply patches
[05:12] <h3sp4wn> neuron_: and rebuild if necessary
[05:12] <imbrandon> neuron_: and xgl is alpha develpement
[05:12] <imbrandon> ;)
[05:12] <neuron_> running X separatly would be easyer for the moment :D
[05:13] <neuron_> i`m waiting for Xgl to be fully usable :D
[05:13] <neuron_> i love it :D
[05:13] <h3sp4wn> I hope it never is
[05:13] <seaLne> with kpowersave do i need to setup anything else apart from installing it to be able to suspend to disk?  i now now have 5.5G swap v 2G ram
[05:13] <neuron_> why not?
[05:13] <h3sp4wn> aixgl (or whatever the other one is called)
[05:13] <h3sp4wn> seems a better way
[05:14] <imbrandon> likes*
[05:14] <imbrandon> seaLne: not that i'm aware of
[05:14] <neuron_> X is bette :D
[05:14] <neuron_> better :D
[05:15] <neuron_> all it needs now is a 3d touchable hologram :D
[05:15] <h3sp4wn> neuron_: exactly
[05:15] <imbrandon> neuron_: aiglx is an extension to xorg instead of a new xserver
[05:15] <JavaGeek> hello
[05:15] <imbrandon> hello JavaGeek
[05:15] <neuron_> imbrandon: doesn it support compiz? :D
[05:16] <imbrandon> neuron_: yes but it works with less video cards atm than xgl
[05:16] <JavaGeek> for some reason, I have a listening process on port 50190, but I can't see what process that port belongs to
[05:16] <JavaGeek> i did 'sudo netstat -lnp' and the part that puts the process is '-'
[05:16] <imbrandon> kill is and see what dies ;)
[05:16] <imbrandon> dunno
[05:16] <imbrandon> ;)
[05:16] <neuron_> imbrandon: are there any incompatibilities with compiz? does it work as fast?
[05:17] <JavaGeek> upon further inquiring, i have an associated inode for the tcp port
[05:17] <JavaGeek> the port is working, as i can connect to it via 'telnet localhost 50190'
[05:17] <imbrandon> neuron_: i dont know the complete details but xgl and aiglx are just backends compiz dosent care what xserver it runs on as long as there is opengl extensions that both of those provide
[05:17] <LjL> what's aiglx?
[05:18] <JavaGeek> can someone tell me if that port is also running on his/her machine?
[05:18] <imbrandon> !aiglx
[05:18] <ubotu> Not a clue. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, imbrandon
[05:18] <imbrandon> JavaGeek: i dont have it on mine
[05:19] <imbrandon> LjL: its a extension to xorg 7 server that works in much the same way xgl does only using xorg not a totaly new xserver
[05:19] <neuron_> h3sp4wn: i`m trying to run  x :1 on vt6 not as root
[05:19] <LjL> imbrandon: i see, any advantages compared to xgl?
[05:19] <neuron_> a blank X sesions starts, but i cant do anything, and switching vts still doesnt work
[05:20] <imbrandon> LjL: other than its been arround longer ? heh and uses an established xserver instead of reinventing the wheel ?
[05:20] <neuron_> whats wrong about reinventing the wheel? :D
[05:20] <LjL> imbrandon: uh, so compiz can run out of it, it does the same things as xgl, and yet everybody has only been talking about xgl lately? that's weird
[05:21] <LjL> i mean, i've seen weirder things i suppose, but still
[05:21] <imbrandon> Ljl and neuron_ , aiglx is beeeing pioneered by redhat just as xgl is being pioneered by suse, neither has been accepted yet and both are alpha etc
[05:21] <LjL> i see
[05:21] <kosh> aiglx is also done the way that nvidia has suggested, not sure about ati
[05:22] <kosh> but nvidia presented a paper on opengl accelerated x at some conference and that is what aiglx is based on
[05:22] <imbrandon> right
[05:22] <kosh> actually the whole xgl/aiglx thing really interests me long term once I replace this computer
[05:22] <neuron_> i dont realy care, i just want Xgl and WoW :D
[05:23] <kosh> since more work is offloaded to the graphics cards from the cpu long term it should make it a lot nicer for quad head setups or more
[05:23] <imbrandon> neuron_: thats all and good just rember the warnings you are using ALPHA software, it WILL be a bumpy road as you can see ;)
[05:24] <imbrandon> neuron_: but also on the other hand it gives you a good chance to try things out , debug them etc and contribute to something you care about ;)
[05:24] <kkathman> for some reason, my system is shutting down my monitor after about 10-15 minutes, yet I dont have a screen saver set. Is there another setting somewhere that tells the monitor to shut off after 10-15 mins?
[05:25] <imbrandon> contributing is not always code, you can do bug reports etc
[05:25] <h3sp4wn> I still think SGI's x server in IRIX works better than Xgl or aiglx
[05:25] <neuron_> imbrandon: that wouldnt be a problem :d
[05:25] <LjL> kkathman: yes, Settings / Display / Power saving
[05:25] <neuron_> i love debuging :D
[05:25] <kosh> kkathman: system settings -> display -> power saving
[05:25] <imbrandon> kkathman: power save mode
[05:25] <kkathman> LjL - ahh yes I turned that off too, sorry :)
[05:25] <LjL> then i wouldn't know
[05:26] <kosh> have you considered exorcising your monitor then? :)
[05:26] <imbrandon> lol
[05:26] <LjL> perhaps the BIOS settings are not getting ignored, but it's just a wild guess
[05:27] <neuron_> cand do anything than ctrl+alt+backspace with  X :1  :(
[05:27] <kkathman> man people are snippy today :)
[05:27] <kkathman> hmm
[05:28] <neuron_> h3sp4wn: should i kill Xgl to see if its Xgl`s fault?
[05:28] <JavaGeek> is there a linux-hacker channel somewhere that can tell me how to know what process is running on port 50190?
[05:29] <h3sp4wn> neuron_: If you just need to play a game just stop kdm and start Xorg with xinit then run startkde then run cedega
[05:29] <kosh> JavaGeek: netstat -a to find all processes bound to all ports, and then do a ps on that process
[05:30] <opapo> I am looking for help with my wireless card
[05:30] <opapo> Can anyone help me?
[05:31] <opapo> I have a dual boot of Windows XP and Breezy
[05:32] <kosh> JavaGeek: this one will be better  netstat -a -t -u -l -p -n
[05:33] <JavaGeek> kosh: the process doesn't appear
[05:33] <opapo> The card works on XP.  the ndiswrapper is installed and ndiswrapper -l produces the following:
[05:33] <opapo> Installed ndis drivers:
[05:33] <opapo> bcmwl5  driver present, hardware present
[05:33] <kosh> JavaGeek: run it with sudo
[05:33] <JavaGeek> kosh: I did 'sudo netstat -lnp' but the process appears as '-'
[05:33] <JavaGeek> kosh: i did
[05:33] <kosh> hmm that seems very strange
[05:34] <JavaGeek> i have the inode of the process, though
[05:35] <john___> does anyone know how to get samba shares to show up in firefox when attaching files (e.g. gmail)?
[05:35] <john___> it seems to use the gnome file manager -- and that does show the networked drivers
[05:35] <john___> er, does not show the networked drives
[05:37] <DaSkreech> Hobbsee: Morning :) How
[05:37] <DaSkreech> 's work?
[05:37] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: work's over, it was pretty boring - not much to do
[05:37] <DaSkreech> Secret coding under the table? :)
[05:38] <opapo> can anyone help with a wireless problem?
[05:39] <kosh> opapo: sorry no idea about wireless
[05:40] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: no...i work on a cash register...
[05:40] <Hobbsee> with winNT software, actually
[05:41] <smoosh> how can i check tge speed of my data hard disk?
[05:41] <smoosh> data ==> sata
[05:42] <kosh> smoosh: what is your drive called? /dev/sda /dev/hda etc?
[05:43] <smoosh> kosh: /dev/sda
[05:43] <kosh> sudo hdparm -tT /dev/sda
[05:43] <smoosh> kosh: but hdparm, work also with sata hard disk?
[05:44] <kosh> smoosh: works on mine :)
[05:44] <smoosh> kosh: wonderful! thanks a lot :-)
[05:45] <DaSkreech> Hobbsee: Yeah! I keep asking why doesn't Linux own the POS/register market
[05:45] <DaSkreech> That's got to be a decent itch to some people!
[05:45] <Hobbsee> i dont know either - but the systems would be a lot mroe stable now...
[05:45] <Hobbsee> if htey were
[05:46] <DaSkreech> Hobbsee: Your's crashes as well?
[05:46] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: yep.  machine got rebooted tonight, as it went suddenly slow
[05:46] <DaSkreech> I saw an ATM crash the other day. It was running XP
[05:47] <Hobbsee> haha
[05:47] <Hobbsee> icky
[05:47] <DaSkreech> Yeah...
[05:47] <exceswater> hi all
[05:47] <DaSkreech> I understand the need for a provider but ...
[05:48] <exceswater> i am new here... and I have a question
[05:49] <exceswater> i just installed my kubuntu... it looks awesome... anyway... do i have to install my video card ? or it has it's drivers in kubuntu  ? it's a nvidia geforce 4 mx 440
[05:49] <JavaGeek> FYI: nfs ports don't have a process associated to them on netstat
[05:49] <LjL> !nvidia
[05:49] <ubotu> [nvidia]  Help about installing the nVidia drivers on Ubuntu can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[05:49] <JavaGeek> !radeon
[05:49] <ubotu> JavaGeek: Not a clue. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[05:50] <LjL> !ati
[05:50] <ubotu> [ati]  http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/hardware.html#installatidriver or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI ... the radeon 9200 and below are supported by the open-source drivers
[05:51] <DaSkreech> exceswater: Depends :) if you want to do 3D graphics accelration then you have to install drivers. Otherwise it should work fine
[05:52] <h3sp4wn> imbrandon: Its alot easier to use dpatch-edit-patch than manually doing the diffs (I don't know how to update the checksums)
[05:52] <exceswater> DaSkreech: 10x.... i think i will try to play some games... that's why ...
[05:52] <JavaGeek> no they're not. At least not the hardware 3D
[05:53] <DaSkreech> exceswater: OpenGL type games?
[05:53] <exceswater> thr only problema is that i dunno what driver should i get... :(
[05:53] <exceswater> dunno
[05:53] <exceswater> any games
[05:54] <LjL> exceswater: for 3D games, you will usually need the proprietary driver
[05:54] <exceswater> not just tetrrs ...
[05:54] <haider> The world cup has begun! :P
[05:54] <haider> weeee
[05:55] <exceswater> and what do you mean by : proprietary driver :D :D ?
[05:56] <exceswater> sorry 'bout sounding so stupid ... but i am really new to linux
[05:57] <drayen> exceswater: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proprietary_software
[05:58] <drayen> exceswater: in your case, he means drivers made by your graphics card manufacture....
[06:00] <LjL> in Breezy, i could configure Lipstick so that the highlighted item in the taskbar looked flat, and so did the "All applications", "Actions" etc labels in the K menu. any way to get the same look in Dapper?
[06:00] <SkrotFFS> drayen: More like the drivers are made by his graphics card manufacturer and are closed source.
[06:00] <user__> hello,guys
[06:01] <LjL> (kde 3.5.3, but i don't think it was any different with 3.5.2 on Dapper)
[06:03] <haider> SkrotFFS: closed source = :(
[06:03] <SkrotFFS> haider: Yupp
[06:06] <user__> hey ,guys,how can i use irc in gaim?
[06:06] <user__> anyone can help me?
[06:07] <dr_willis> I just added a rc account in the settings/server thinggie in gaim
[06:07] <dr_willis> I think it was gaim.. :P or  perhaps it was in that other im client.
[06:07] <user__> wait
[06:08] <user__> how ?
[06:09] <user__> how can i add ?how can i register a irc account?
[06:10] <Hawkwind> user__: Either join #Freenode or type /msg nickserv help
[06:12] <user__> hawkwind ,seems i had bee join the freenode ,but when i say hi,no body responsed me
[06:12] <user__> wether i need add channel?
[06:13] <dr_willis> add account, select IRC.. enter info.. join
[06:13] <nico8481> hi
[06:14] <user__> how can i get an account ?
[06:14] <dr_willis> you just enter the info
[06:14] <dr_willis> its not an account on this server.. its just an account name for gaim to use
[06:14] <dr_willis> You are making it too hard. :P
[06:15] <Dr_Willis_Gaim> weee
[06:15] <user__> dr-wills ,u mean ,i enter the username and password whatever i like?
[06:16] <h3sp4wn> register the name you want with nickserv
[06:16] <dr_willis> You dont even hava a password. ( unless that may work for nickserv)
[06:17] <dr_willis> accounts -> add  -> (select irc) enter a screen name.. done.
[06:17] <dr_willis> :P
[06:17] <dr_willis> im not even sure that password is for nickserv or for some servers that have passwords
[06:18] <h3sp4wn> it is for nickserv (at least in konversation)
[06:18] <dr_willis> but i DOUBT if its for nickserv in gaim
[06:18] <dr_willis> :P
[06:18] <dr_willis> since you can have password protected irc servers.
[06:19] <nico8481> anyone can confirm whether their amaroK (1.4) displays "playing:" info (lower left corner) correctly? or does it does it print a 2-lines thing with html tags in it?
[06:19] <noaXess> there is the little tool to mount network folders in kde "Add Network Folder"... how can this folders be accessed trough a non kde software?
[06:20] <h3sp4wn> in konversation if you put in a password it does /msg nickserv IDENTIFY password
[06:20] <neuron_> where could i change the hotkeys to change vt`s?
[06:21] <DaSkreech> nico8481: It's fine for me
[06:21] <noaXess> !nfs
[06:21] <nico8481> DaSkreech: where did you get it from?
[06:21] <ubotu> from memory, nfs is see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NFSClientHowTo and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NFSServerHowTo for information on installing and configuring NFS.
[06:22] <user__> the konversation have the kubuntu channel automatically ,how can i get the channel in gaim?
[06:22] <DaSkreech> nico8481: The Kubuntu servers
[06:23] <h3sp4wn> user__: #ubuntu is the gnome channel most people here use kde programs
[06:23] <DaSkreech> nico8481: I got the tunepimp libraries from archive.czessi.net though
[06:23] <DaSkreech> h3sp4wn: Huh?
[06:24] <h3sp4wn> DaSkreech: gaim is not in kubuntu most people if they are using kde would use kopete or konversation
[06:24] <DaSkreech> user__: Not sure that Gaim can do that. It's not really a dedicated IRC client it just happens to be able to do that
[06:24] <h3sp4wn> DaSkreech: More people would be using gaim in #ubuntu
[06:24] <nico8481> DaSkreech: afk 5min brb
[06:25] <xinxi813> hey,guys ,im in
[06:25] <Pitchshifter> i'm using gaim right now...never had any trouble with it
[06:25] <xinxi813> i know how to use gaim
[06:25] <DaSkreech> user__: Most chat/messaging protocols don't use rooms so you would not expect a general purpose IM client to have the option to join a room on logon
[06:25] <xinxi813> thank u
[06:25] <xinxi813> im that user_
[06:25] <xinxi813> :)
[06:26] <DaSkreech> h3sp4wn: I'm giving kopete a change with 0.12 but after that I'm probably going back to gaim
[06:26] <xinxi813> im now in gaim and konversation simotaneous:)
[06:26] <DaSkreech> xinxi813:  :)
[06:26] <xinxi813> thank u guys
[06:27] <user__> im xinxi813:)
[06:27] <DaSkreech> user__: I think we established that :)
[06:27] <user__> thanku all
[06:28] <user__> i like kubuntu ,but i wanna know if i can just install the kde environment,but no attached software,can i?
[06:28] <katakombi> will there an upgrade on cups 1.2.1 in dapper?
[06:29] <user__> guys
[06:31] <psb154> user_ on kubuntu KDE is very thin. Only the a necessary selection of software appears to be installed.
[06:32] <user__> psb154,for instance ,there is not only one internet explorer
[06:33] <psb154> user_ compared to fedora 5 and suse 10.1 I have to say 6.06 is better. Konquorer is there by default of course but I have also gone for firefox
[06:33] <Steve407> Looking for assistance with Mounting an OS X drive from within Kubuntu -- anyone help?
[06:33] <user__> yea ,i like konquorer ,so ,i dont want another firefox
[06:34] <Steve407> Specifically whoat FS Type do I use if I have OS X?
[06:34] <user__> and ,firefox cant load the web irc
[06:34] <psb154> user_ you have to select firefox separately.
[06:34] <psb154> user_ firefox uses chatzilla
[06:35] <user__> if i uninstall the gnome ,does firefox still there?
[06:35] <psb154> gnome is with ubuntu this is the kubuntu channel
[06:35] <LjL> firefox is not there by default in kubuntu afaik
[06:36] <DaSkreech> Steve407: HPFS or HFS I think
[06:36] <user__> o,i see ,i was install ubuntu ,and then ,install kde ,so i got two explorer
[06:36] <kosh> I prefer konqueror since it is faster and uses less memory
[06:37] <kosh> DaSkreech: hpfs is an os/2 thing
[06:37] <Steve407> I was going to try HFS but thought it had to be HFS+ and that doesn't show up
[06:37] <kosh> Steve407: it should be hfs+ or ufs and ufs is very unlikely
[06:37] <user__> i like kubuntu ,but i install it fail several times
[06:37] <Steve407> Seems odd they have Kubuntu for PPC and Mac being one of the bigger PPC audiences but no support for mac drive?
[06:38] <Steve407> Yeah -- I don't want to destroy my Mac drive with the wrong FS Type.  I don't know what would happen
[06:38] <Steve407> I'm just using it in Live mode until I learn more
[06:38] <neuron_> can i change the "hotkeys" used to change the vt`s?
[06:38] <h3sp4wn> neuron_: I don't know can you ?
[06:39] <user__> can the konversation add msn massenger account?
[06:40] <Steve407> Does ne1 on this brain trust run Kubuntu on a Mac besides Moi?
[06:40] <h3sp4wn> kopete can - thats the kde im client
[06:40] <psb154> user_ kopete can do that
[06:40] <John-Z> Question: How can I get apt-get to fetch MySQL 4.1 .. it seems to auto default to 5.0
[06:41] <user__> kopete can add both msn and irc  or more?
[06:41] <John-Z> Jabber, ICQ, AIM, IRC, etc.
[06:41] <haider> psb154: thats not true
[06:42] <user__> cool ,ill try kopete
[06:42] <psb154> haider yes it is
[06:42] <eosyn> John-Z:  apt-get install mysql-server-4.1
[06:42] <nico8481> DaSkreech: from http://kubuntu.org/packages/amarok-14? i got it from there. and i got tunepimp from czessi too...
[06:42] <user__> i gotta go ,thanku guys
[06:43] <John-Z> Thanks eosyn
[06:43] <eosyn> John-Z: apt-cache search whatever
[06:43] <haider> psb154: http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=Kopete%20Webcam%20Support
[06:43] <eosyn> to find available versions and the word to use to install
[06:43] <John-Z> Nice.. thanks.
[06:44] <sampan> konq keeps opening up binary files on webpages in Kate ... how do i stop it from doing that and have it save them instead?
[06:44] <Steve407> Well thanks anyway to those that answered.  Steve -- Outta here!
[06:44] <neuron_> h3sp4wn: well, is there any way of doing that? :D
[06:46] <h3sp4wn> neuron_: Probably - But I don't know it and I don't know how difficult it (The fact that you are repeating the same question makes me less likely to help you)
[06:46] <h3sp4wn> neuron_: But its a mute point because I don't know how to do it anyway
[06:46] <neuron_> h3sp4wn: well, i was away for some time, gone eating, and i could see the answer, sorry
[06:47] <psb154> haider I scrolled up and realised that I have a 'no' in my string....
[06:47] <John-Z> eosyn: do you know why it would still force me to install 5.0
[06:47] <John-Z> "Note, selecting mysql-server-5.0 instead of mysql-server-4.1"
[06:47] <neuron_> i finaly started kde in another x sesions, but i cant change vt`s
[06:47] <psb154> thats better
[06:47] <haider> psb154: Hehe, :P
[06:47] <StR> gente?
[06:47] <StR> hi there
[06:47] <psb154> psb154 = silly-person
[06:47] <StR> what was the package with the video codes?
[06:48] <katakombi> w32codecs
[06:48] <katakombi> xine-extracodecs
[06:49] <h3sp4wn> neuron_: Probably an xgl bug it works fine for me without xgl
[06:49] <StR> katakombi: in dapper I only found libxine-extracodecs
[06:49] <katakombi> StR, yeah, that codec is restricted
[06:49] <katakombi> !w32codecs
[06:49] <ubotu> a compilation of binary win32 A/V codecs for many popular non-free formats. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats for 64-bit systems see http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=54399
[06:49] <StR> katakombi: I want to watch de futbol game from mms://medialab.galileo.edu/mundialfut
[06:50] <neuron_> h3sp4wn: i dont think its a xgl bug, while in xgl i can change them, `ill shut down xgl and run just X and see if i still have this problem
[06:50] <neuron_> isnt there a command that can change the vt`s?
[06:50] <StR> but in mplayer i don't get video.. it says....  Win32 LoadLibrary failed to load: wmv9dmod.dll, /usr/lib/win32/wmv9dmod.dll, /usr/local/lib/win32/wmv9dmod.dll
[06:50] <katakombi> StR, read the RestrictedFormat html, and you should be able
[06:50] <nico8481> DaSkreech: are you still around?
[06:50] <DaSkreech> nico8481: Apparently
[06:50] <DaSkreech> Kubuntu Krashed again
[06:50] <nico8481> DaSkreech: :)
[06:50] <DaSkreech> I blame amarok :)
[06:51] <nico8481> hehe
[06:51] <nico8481> DaSkreech: did you get it from http://kubuntu.org/packages/amarok-14? i got it from there. and i got tunepimp from czessi too...
[06:51] <DaSkreech> Right
[06:51] <DaSkreech> And?
[06:51] <katakombi> !dapper
[06:51] <ubotu> somebody said dapper was Ubuntu 6.06, the "Dapper Drake" release. Released June 1st 2006
[06:51] <StR> katakombi: url?
[06:51] <katakombi> !w32codecs
[06:52] <ubotu> a compilation of binary win32 A/V codecs for many popular non-free formats. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats for 64-bit systems see http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=54399
[06:52] <nico8481> DaSkreech: well here it seems to malfunction :-/ damn why doesn't it parse the html in the text ? :-/
[06:52] <DaSkreech> nico8481: Did you look at the details in adept?
[06:52] <nico8481> DaSkreech: uuh not really... i used apt
[06:53] <nico8481> DaSkreech: what was in there?
[06:53] <DaSkreech> nico8481: Doesn't matter you have adept?
[06:53] <nico8481> yes it's installed
[06:53] <Toge> how can i close the x server?
[06:53] <DaSkreech> nico8481: Ok search for amamrok and then drop down the little arrow and click details
[06:53] <katakombi> Toge, /etc/init.d/kdm stop
[06:53] <Hawkwind> Toge: telinit3 or ctrl-alt-backspace will restart it
[06:54] <DaSkreech> It will tell you the libraries that amarok uses maybe there is a html parser missing?
[06:54] <katakombi> guys, a question about dapper: will there be security fixes only, or even minor upgrades?
[06:55] <nico8481> DaSkreech: well i guess it installed the required ones so i'm gonna catch the recommended/subjected ones :)
[06:55] <DaSkreech> I suspect there will be minor upgrades since it has LTS
[06:55] <DaSkreech> nico8481: Right :)
[06:55] <Toge> katakombi, if i have gnome?
[06:56] <LjL> katakombi: only major bugfixes, mostly. for any other updates, you can enable the backports repository - some packages get "backported" (i.e. taken back from the next Ubuntu development version) there
[06:56] <neuron_> does cedega work on 64bit sytems?
[06:56] <DaSkreech> LjL: No minor bugfixes?
[06:56] <LjL> DaSkreech: yes and no, in my experience
[06:56] <katakombi> LjL: thanks! When will be the new development branch opened?
[06:56] <DaSkreech> :-)
[06:56] <DaSkreech> Fair enough
[06:57] <LjL> katakombi: it is open already
[06:57] <DaSkreech> After UBZ?
[06:57] <nico8481> DaSkreech: although i guess it should use the same libs as konqeror to parse html... :-/
[06:57] <DaSkreech> Though I think they have repos up already
[06:57] <DaSkreech> For the eager efts :-)
[06:57] <katakombi> DaSkreech: really, where to get the source listings?
[06:57] <LjL> katakombi: but i guess you'll have to wait a while for any backports
[06:57] <LjL> katakombi: there's a channel for eager efts, #ubuntu+1
[06:58] <katakombi> LjL, thanks :)
[06:58] <DaSkreech> katakombi: a) It's probably blood induciing right now
[06:58] <JRlinux> Upon booting live Kubuntu 6.06 in my HP Celeron 1000 machine, it froze.  After I reset the machine, took out the disk, I was stuck in a no-man's-land of BIOS but no way to manipulate anything.  Finally, after turning off machine and waiting a while, I got into BIOS and reset to default... Has this happened to anyone else?
[06:58] <LjL> it's just completely broken right now
[06:59] <h3sp4wn> katakombi: What do you want backported ?
[06:59] <dr_willis> thats very very odd JRlinux
[06:59] <DaSkreech> KDE4!
[06:59] <katakombi> cups 1.2.1
[06:59] <katakombi> kernel 2.6.17
[06:59] <dr_willis> They still aint fixed cups yet eh?
[06:59] <LjL> i want windows vista backported
[07:00] <JRlinux> dr_willis, Yes, scared me!  I have booted a hundred different live CDs without anything like that happening before.
[07:00] <dr_willis> JRlinux,  i had that happen once on a laptop ages ago.. :P had to remove the battery.
[07:00] <DaSkreech> LjL: You can backport backward software?
[07:00] <h3sp4wn> katakombi: 2.6.17 is still rc
[07:00] <dr_willis> the power switch dident even work.
[07:00] <StR> can anyone play this streamming? mms://medialab.galileo.edu/mundialfut
[07:00] <StR> I do note get video
[07:00] <LjL> who knows
[07:00] <StR> I don't know what package to install
[07:00] <lowtech> JRlinux: linux can't affect the bios like that, its a hardware issue
[07:01] <h3sp4wn> katakombi: You can try backporting it yourself
[07:01] <dr_willis> some odd apci/apic/bios gettingh confused issue - sounds like to me
[07:02] <JRlinux> lowtech, could be.  Anyway, it is very odd.  Neither that machine nor my new laptop will run on the latest kernels.  Makes me mad, because the new laptop has the broadcom wireless set, and I would love to get a distro going that had the drivers in it.
[07:03] <katakombi> h3sp4wn: i could, but i built up an aversion against cups
[07:03] <DaSkreech> StR: Sounds a lot like a microsoft format so try mplayer
[07:03] <katakombi> h3sp4wn: it's in deb unstable already
[07:03] <StR> DaSkreech: I tried with mplayer, but I don't get video
[07:04] <StR> DaSkreech: Win32 LoadLibrary failed to load: wmvdmod.dll, /usr/lib/win32/wmvdmod.dll, /usr/local/lib/win32/wmvdmod.dll
[07:04] <h3sp4wn> katakombi: Problem is the debian sid version probably is not patched for sudo
[07:04] <StR> DaSkreech: that is the error I get
[07:04] <neuron_> is there something close to chvt that works with X ?
[07:04] <DaSkreech> StR: try getting those  DLLS
[07:04] <StR> DaSkreech: I thought there was already a package for that
[07:04] <neuron_> dr_willis: you can change vt`s withing the console with chvt
[07:05] <h3sp4wn> katakombi: you can use apt-get source from a sid chroot and then try building it
[07:05] <dr_willis> neuron_,  so what are ya wanting to do? change out of X?
[07:06] <winbond> i need little help with glx and kde on ATI x850
[07:06] <DaSkreech> StR: Ahhhmm I don't know I know that you can get the DLLs from a Windows machine and Mplayer can read them
[07:06] <katakombi> h3sp4wn: maybe i could even install the debian unstable packages. but i think the dependencies might be wrong
[07:06] <dr_willis> mplayer homepage has lots of codec dlls for downloading
[07:06] <h3sp4wn> katakombi: thats why you use the source (to build against dappers dev libraries)
[07:07] <winbond> anyone got the xgl to work on kde and ati???
[07:07] <katakombi> does cups offer /debian subdirs, then?
[07:07] <neuron_> dr_willis: change to another Vt, becouse i cant do that with ctrl+alt+fx for a reason yet not known
[07:07] <h3sp4wn> katakombi: It will if you use apt-get source cups from sid
[07:08] <katakombi> h3sp4wn I see! Thanks, maybe I'll try if I got the time ;)
[07:08] <dr_willis> neuron_,  heh - dident disable it in the x config eh?
[07:09] <neuron_> dr_willis: not willingly, i can change vts in xgl tho, and i think X and Xgl are using the same xorg.conf file
[07:10] <dr_willis> neuron_,  odd.. normally its weirdness in xgl thats the problem.
[07:10] <dr_willis> :P
[07:10] <winbond> anyone got the xgl to work on kde and ati???
[07:10] <dr_willis> neuron_,  could boot  the live cd.. copy its x config over. and try it.
[07:11] <neuron_> i got no problems running x, and i have a backup x config, i can change vts within Xgl, and the other terminal but not within the newly created X server :(
[07:12] <neuron_> brb. i`m trying shutting down Xgl to see if i still have this problem
[07:12] <katakombi> winbond: you wanna join the ubuntu-xgl channel instead
[07:12] <hustla> hi, anyone who knows about cups remote administration?
[07:12] <winbond> katakombi: i dont think anyone in there talks
[07:12] <nico8481> DaSkreech: well, doesn't seem to solve anything :( did you get version 1.4.0a-0ubuntu1 ?
[07:13] <DaSkreech> nico8481: Nope seesm to be 1.4.0
[07:14] <DaSkreech> I see no a
[07:14] <DaSkreech> though I'm pretty sure that's what I downloaded :)(
[07:14] <nico8481> :-/
[07:14] <h3sp4wn> katakombi: It seems to build ok - But I don't have the time to test what it breaks (I know it is not patched for sudo)
[07:15] <DaSkreech> nico8481: No wait it's 1.4.0a-0ubuntu1 :-)
[07:15] <nico8481> lol
[07:16] <nico8481> ok so we got the same version from the same repos... wtf ?!
[07:20] <haider> Somebody knows a good video-screenshot-thingie app??? Need to send some xgl/compiz videos to my windows freands! :P
[07:20] <MasterEvilAce> lol
[07:26] <GullyFoyle> i can't run kde. apparently my DCOP server is not running. how do i start it, and why did it stop working?
[07:27] <tsdgeos> GullyFoyle: it should start automatically
[07:27] <noaXess> what backup tool is preffered to use in kde?
[07:27] <JRlinux> When resetting Boot sequence in Bios, what does an exclamation mark preceding the CD drive mean?  Can't seem to get the CDRom to boot.
[07:27] <tsdgeos> but try kdeinit o
[07:27] <GullyFoyle> tsdgeos: well apparently it's not
[07:27] <tsdgeos> forget the o
[07:27] <MasterEvilAce> noaXess: Keep is the default isn't it?
[07:27] <MasterEvilAce> i think it's called keep
[07:28] <noaXess> MasterEvilAce: yeah but.. it crashes cause i backup to a smb share..
[07:28] <MasterEvilAce> ah
[07:28] <GullyFoyle> tsdgeos: no write access to /home/me/.ICEauthority
[07:29] <tsdgeos> GullyFoyle: then remove that file
[07:29] <tsdgeos> :D
[07:29] <tsdgeos> sudo rm -rf /home/me/.ICEauthority
[07:30] <GullyFoyle> tsdgeos: ok i think it's working
[07:30] <lowtech> why sudo to remove something from the users home directory?
[07:30] <MasterEvilAce> lowtech: were you sudo'd when you created the file?
[07:30] <GullyFoyle> i'm trying to burn all my photos to cd before upgraing to dapper
[07:30] <tsdgeos> lowtech: if he does not has access he probably needs sudo yes
[07:30] <GullyFoyle> k3b wouldnt start
[07:31] <GullyFoyle> now it's working
[07:31] <DaSkreech> :-)
[07:32] <GullyFoyle> i generally run fluxbox but i use a lot of kde apps
[07:32] <newblinuxhelp> guyz
[07:32] <newblinuxhelp> can u get some help?
[07:33] <newblinuxhelp> i dunno which versions i should install i386 or the other ones?
[07:33] <newblinuxhelp> i have p4 and p2
[07:33] <Pitchshifter> i386 should be fine
[07:33] <newblinuxhelp> p=pentium
[07:33] <newblinuxhelp> alos for p2?
[07:33] <Pitchshifter> yep
[07:33] <newblinuxhelp> also*
[07:33] <newblinuxhelp> thx man
[07:33] <newblinuxhelp> what do that mean rlly?
[07:34] <newblinuxhelp> i386
[07:34] <newblinuxhelp> abd ppc
[07:34] <Pitchshifter> that, i don't know
[07:34] <newblinuxhelp> u have p?
[07:34] <Pitchshifter> ppc is powerpc
[07:34] <GullyFoyle> anyone here run amd64? any probs with dapper?
[07:34] <Pitchshifter> mac
[07:34] <newblinuxhelp> i hate mac i had powerbook
[07:34] <newblinuxhelp> has so lil aplications
[07:34] <newblinuxhelp> and no cames
[07:34] <newblinuxhelp> :)
[07:35] <newblinuxhelp> games*
[07:35] <newblinuxhelp> :)
[07:35] <noaXess> does anybody use keep?
[07:35] <noaXess> i can't select a kde network destination directory...
[07:36] <GullyFoyle> how do i eject a cd from the cmd line?
[07:36] <katakombi> eject /dev/cdrom
[07:36] <Pitchshifter> http://www.ss64.com/bash/
[07:37] <neuron_> well, it seems its not a xgl issue
[07:37] <GullyFoyle> katakombi: thx
[07:37] <nico8481> brb
[07:37] <neuron_> i now cant change vts in xgl either :))
[07:37] <neuron_> and if i close xgl and start X, i still cant chang vts
[07:39] <h3sp4wn> neuron_: ask in #ubuntu-xgl
[07:40] <h3sp4wn> neuron_: Someone probably actually has done what you are doing
[07:41] <neuron_> its not a xgl issue
[07:41] <neuron_> i asked in #Xorg
[07:42] <h3sp4wn> neuron_: It isn't an xorg issue it may be an nvidia / ati issue
[07:42] <MasterEvil`Lapto> anyone use Ventrilo in wine at all?
[07:43] <h3sp4wn> neuron_: If you using fglrx you are asking for trouble
[07:44] <vikke> do anyone know if i can mount .bin files directry in cedega, or if i have to mount it in some other program. in that case, what?
[07:46] <drbeams> how do i find an internal modem on a laptop ?
[07:46] <Pitchshifter> with a hammer?
[07:47] <drbeams> :-p
[07:47] <Pitchshifter> it's probably very near the port that you would plug your rj-11 phone line into
[07:48] <Pitchshifter> most likely an chip built onto the motherboard
[07:48] <buz> are there any debs for kopete 0.12?
[07:49] <DaSkreech> Not Kubuntu specific
[07:49] <Pitchshifter> drbeams, sry i'm a hardware junkie and it just occured to me that you were possibly talking about software issues...what are you trying to do?
[07:51] <mattjbray> hey guys, i'm having a little trouble getting my sd memory card reader to work on my fujitsu siemens amilo laptop
[07:52] <mattjbray> i dont really know where to start; does anyone know of a driver for this reader?
[07:54] <dr_willis> mattjbray,  ive had similer issues with my laptops.. a external card reader may be the easiest fix.
[07:55] <buz> yes, the toshiba sd reader for one is totally unsupported
[07:55] <buz> (tho you can boot from it, go figure)
[07:55] <winbond> does anyone have a website with badass themes for the latest KDE??
[07:55] <mattjbray> hmm an external card reader isn't the most ideal thing
[07:56] <mattjbray> are all these drivers just closed source then?
[07:56] <buz> winbond: kde-look.org
[07:56] <vikke> any tip on what to use to mount ISO files?
[07:56] <buz> mattjbray: i think they HAVE to be, as there's closed drm in SD cards
[07:56] <samuli> vikke, mount? :)
[07:57] <winbond> buz: been there, couldnt find anything i like , ty though
[07:57] <buz> i think thats the main site for themes ;)
[07:57] <vikke> samuli, well, yes i was hoping for something like daemon
[07:58] <buz> vikke:  http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=11577
[07:58] <mattjbray> buz: ah i see
[07:58] <samuli> vikke, I don't know about that.
[07:58] <mattjbray> well thanks anyway
[07:58] <vikke> ill try that buz thanks :)
[08:01] <buz> i take it theres no official kopete 0.12 deb...
[08:02] <remy> hi everybody
[08:03] <remy> I have no sound on my kubuntu. Someone can help me?
[08:04] <remy> Someone is here?
[08:08] <sdolnack> i am
[08:08] <sdolnack> i dont' know if i can be much help though
[08:09] <sdolnack> oh well
[08:09] <sdolnack> can anyone help me config amaroK a bit?  I want to make the progress bar wider (it's kinda short)
[08:11] <noel> Kubuntu is very cool!!!
[08:12] <noel> this is a great OS!
[08:13] <noel> .join #kopete
[08:13] <noel> ./oin #kopete
[08:13] <scast> you can do it man /join #kopete
[08:13] <scast> I know you can!
[08:13] <noel> hehehe sorry,, typo error... its dark in here hahaha
[08:16] <nthdegree> does anyone have the ubuntu repository website
[08:18] <buz> uhm what?
[08:18] <nthdegree> doesn't matter googled it :)
[08:19] <noel> http://www.krazypenguin.net/Ubuntu_Dapper_Drake_6.06_Guide   <--  there repo here
[08:19] <nthdegree> yeah, lilo broke my system
[08:20] <nthdegree> so i decided to use good ol grub instead
[08:20] <noel> i suppost to use lilo because i want to try XFS, however, i made a decision just to GRUB... i used reiserFS
[08:21] <nthdegree> lilo cause a kernel panic
[08:21] <noel> :D so far so good :D
[08:21] <nthdegree> it is so retarded on kubuntu
[08:21] <noel> i heard that LILO works great on SUSE.
[08:22] <noel> and its fast too..
[08:22] <nthdegree> yeah it works well on slackware too
[08:22] <noel> however, I dont like RPM base.
[08:22] <noel> hhehe
[08:22] <nthdegree> I use CentOS, Kubuntu and Slackware :D
[08:22] <noel> kool!
[08:22] <nthdegree> one of each distro type
[08:23] <nthdegree> my boot partition is CentOS and i use it to chainload into kubuntu and slack
[08:23] <noel> can we use slackware as desktop os?
[08:23] <noel> hmmm
[08:23] <nthdegree> yes it is good for a desktop, although i'm not sure if my sound works
[08:24] <noel> i see.. :D
[08:24] <nthdegree> it is good for xfce slackware is
[08:24] <noel> hey nthdegree, where you from?
[08:24] <noel> how's kubuntu compared to slackware?
[08:24] <salguero> join #kubuntu
[08:25] <nthdegree> salguero this is kubuntu :|
[08:25] <noel> :))
[08:25] <nthdegree> kubuntu is ok compared to slackware but you shouldn't compare them
[08:25] <noel> more slable?
[08:25] <salguero> kubuntu spanies
[08:26] <nthdegree> slackware is more stable but uses older stuff
[08:26] <noel> oh okay :)
[08:26] <thompa> how do i get flash to work in firefox?
[08:26] <noel> I really want to try BSD when I got a time..
[08:26] <nthdegree> ubotu tell thompa about restricted formats
[08:27] <salguero> I go join kubuntu for spanis
[08:27] <thompa> the restricted formats dont work
[08:27] <jfly> hi
[08:27] <nthdegree> thompa amd64 is not supported for flash
[08:27] <nthdegree> nor properly for java
[08:27] <thompa> its not amd64
[08:28] <nthdegree> well it does work on 32 bit
[08:28] <salguero> hola
[08:28] <noel> help pls.. I install the kopete_0.12.0-0ubuntu1_i386.deb on my Kubuntu 6.06, howevem after the installation, adept prompt me that there are new updates to be download, so I click fetch, after updating my kopete goes back to the original version package from kubuntu 6.06 which is 0.11.3
[08:28] <thompa> ok, which method of installing?
[08:28] <BazziR> noel you need to pin it
[08:28] <nthdegree> the method that the wiki uses
[08:29] <noel> is there a way to tell the system that this is the newest version?
[08:29] <noel> how can i pin it?
[08:29] <noel> :D
[08:29] <BazziR> pin it! :)
[08:29] <BazziR> it's an apt command
[08:29] <thompa> it says to search for flashplugin-nonfree
[08:29] <psyk> hi i have a notebook with wireless network
[08:29] <thompa> no such animal
[08:29] <nthdegree> thompa try the multiverse repositories
[08:29] <noel> how to pin it?:)
[08:29] <psyk> and im trying to connect to a windows machine with wireless can anyone help
[08:30] <psyk> its got a passwork
[08:30] <thompa> nthdegree: i have them all enabled, but no flashplugin-nonfree
[08:30] <psyk> password
[08:30] <psyk> and i have the password
[08:30] <nthdegree> thompa try flash
[08:30] <thompa> ok
[08:31] <nthdegree> use initative and try other names because kubuntu changes very quickly
[08:31] <nthdegree> it's like a debian based fedora core
[08:31] <nthdegree> except without corporate stench :p
[08:31] <thompa> i found swf-player, is that it?
[08:31] <noel> can you give me instruction how to pin the kopete?  :)
[08:32] <nthdegree> probably swfs are flash/shockwave files
[08:32] <jwat> in adept, how do you change the repository from breezy to dapper?
[08:32] <nthdegree> jwat you dont
[08:32] <nthdegree> open up a terminal
[08:32] <nthdegree> then do sudo -i
[08:32] <nthdegree> enter your password
[08:32] <thompa> ill try it, i wish the restricted formats page was accurate, its wrong on almost everything
[08:33] <nthdegree> then nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:33] <nthdegree> and change the breezy for dapper :)
[08:33] <nthdegree> then do ctrl+X, save and exit
[08:33] <psyk> im having trouble connecting to a wireless network can anyone help
[08:34] <thompa> it still says flash player required in firefox after restart of firefox
[08:34] <DaSkreech> nthdegree: Why doesn't he just sed it then?
[08:34] <jwat> do I change every instance of breezy?
[08:34] <nthdegree> yes
[08:34] <nthdegree> make them all dapper instead of breezy
[08:35] <thompa> it says i need macromedia flash player
[08:35] <nthdegree> DaSkreech: because you learn less from sed I think and it's better to see how things work
[08:35] <DaSkreech> nthdegree: Good point
[08:35] <DaSkreech> nthdegree: Well for that point they could do a replace all in kate or kedit
[08:36] <NthDegree> DaSkreech the integration of breezy sucks for rooting into GUI apps
[08:36] <NthDegree> dapper is only just a bit better for root GUIing
[08:36] <DaSkreech> ah ok :-)
[08:37] <NthDegree> try opening up a terminal, running sudo -i then loading a GUI app :)
[08:37] <NthDegree> you'll see what I mean
[08:37] <noel> BazziR: how to pin the kopete 0.12? :D
[08:37] <thompa> im trying to see this page http://broadband.espn.go.com/broadband/EBB2/web/shellMain?ceid=2474224
[08:38] <thompa> is there some other way to install flash?
[08:38] <NthDegree> use firefox
[08:38] <thompa> im in firefox
[08:38] <NthDegree> try mozilla then
[08:38] <noel> BazziR: how to pin the kopete 0.12? :D
[08:39] <simp> where was the sources-list file again?
[08:39] <NthDegree> noel go on adept and reinstall kopete 0.12
[08:39] <simp> sources.list*
[08:39] <NthDegree> simp try /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:39] <simp> thank you
[08:39] <NthDegree> no problem :)
[08:39] <winbond> is there any place i can get 1680x1050 wallpapers?
[08:40] <simp> photoshop :)
[08:40] <brandon_> you there, Riddell?
[08:42] <simp> how did you reload the package informations again?
[08:42] <DaSkreech> noel: Where did you get the 0.12 deb?
[08:43] <Riddell> brandon_: hi
[08:43] <noel> a site that given to me from #kopete, but I already forgot which site , but its not from kopete.kde.org
[08:44] <sdolnack> will Googlebar (NOT Google's own firefox toolbar) work in Swiftfox 1.5.0.4?  It keeps telling me it's not compatable
[08:44] <sdolnack> and i don't like google's version as much as googlebar
[08:44] <brandon_> Riddell, hi. how about building a package for kplayer?
[08:44] <simp> how did you reload the package informations again?
[08:44] <Riddell> brandon_: go ahead
[08:45] <brandon_> Riddell, i did. but i mean for everybody else
[08:45] <noel> at first i downloaded the source pakcage of kopete (tar.gz2) and I am asking help to install the source package then 1 guy suggested to downlod the .deb
[08:45] <Riddell> brandon_: if you've already made one please put it on revu and we'll take a look at it
[08:45] <brandon_> Riddell, i don't know how to do that, but i'm definitely willing\
[08:45] <Riddell> brandon_: /join #ubuntu-motu and ask for an account
[08:46] <Riddell> brandon_: give me a ping when you've uploaded it
[08:46] <brandon_> Riddell, actually, i installed it, i didn't build a deb, but i guess i can do that too
[08:47] <Riddell> brandon_: right, see the packaging guide on doc.ubuntu.com for getting started with packaging and ask on #ubuntu-motu or #kubuntu-devel if you need help
[08:47] <noel> can somebody teach me how to install a source package? :)
[08:47] <brandon_> Riddell, i laready built an mplayer package using fakeroot and so forth, so i guess it shouldn't be too hard
[08:48] <DaSkreech> noel: Which package?
[08:48] <kronoz> anyone know what the app that shows the playing song is in this screenshot is, http://kubuntuforums.net/mkportal/modules/gallery/album/a_4.png looks like a karamba widget
[08:48] <kronoz> ?
[08:49] <noel> DaSkreech: kopete 0.12 from kopete.kde.org
[08:49] <kronoz> noel, sudo apt-get install build-dep kopete
[08:49] <DaSkreech> ah Thought you had a deb for that
[08:50] <noel> DaSkreech: actually any package like apache, tomcat, etc... i just want to learn how to install source packag.
[08:50] <DaSkreech> noel: First you have to get the build essentialls
[08:50] <DaSkreech> !b-e
[08:50] <ubotu> or if you get errors saying gcc cannot create executables, or that you can't find header files like stdio.h, or get "make: command not found, then you need to do a    sudo apt-get install build-essential.
[08:51] <DaSkreech> then the source normally has a readme or an INSTALL file that you probably should follow
[08:51] <noel> DaSkreech: is there any documents to read?
[08:51] <kronoz> noel, unpack the tar gzip, open a terminal in the directory, and run `./configure; make; sudo make install`
[08:51] <DaSkreech> noel: Yeah the source normally comes with documentation
[08:52] <noel> okay thanks a lot guys.. :D
[08:52] <DaSkreech> noel: if it doesn't then you untar it and cd into the folder
[08:52] <DaSkreech> then run ./configure && make && sudo make install
[08:53] <noel> thanks a lot.. i will try that.. then how to pin the kopete 0.12? so it wont get downgraded by adept?
[08:57] <iNiku> noel, you'll want to remove the kopete pkg first
[08:58] <noel> you mean the current installed kopete 0.11.3?
[08:59] <noel> then install the 0.12?
[08:59] <iNiku> yes. the one you install from a source pkg will be installed in different directories and things will get confusing
[08:59] <iNiku> better to just remove the ubuntu pkg if you want to use one you've compiled yourself instead
[09:00] <noel> okay
[09:00] <noel> thanks a lot :D
[09:00] <noel> will try that one
[09:00] <noel> :)
[09:00] <noel> catch ya laters.. :D need to go to bed now... its 3am already :)
[09:01] <DaSkreech> Ok
[09:01] <DaSkreech> Night
[09:01] <noel> okay :) thanks..
[09:03] <winbond> is the fglrx ati driver proprietary?
[09:03] <winbond> is the fglrx ati driver proprietary?
[09:03] <kronoz> !fglrx
[09:03] <ubotu> well, ati is http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/hardware.html#installatidriver or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI ... the radeon 9200 and below are supported by the open-source drivers
[09:04] <kronoz> !ati
[09:04] <ubotu> methinks ati is http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/hardware.html#installatidriver or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI ... the radeon 9200 and below are supported by the open-source drivers
[09:04] <seren> what package is equivalent to kde-headers kde-dev ?
[09:04] <kronoz> kdelibs4-dev i think
[09:04] <kronoz> kubuntu is slow on my computer with nvidia drivers and i can't make them work :( :(
[09:05] <kronoz> http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=5852.0
[09:05] <winbond> well i got the fglrx with the apt-get and i need to know if that was proprietary or not
[09:05] <beemer> good afternoon everyone
[09:06] <kronoz> good evening
[09:06] <kronoz> 20:06 in the UK
[09:06] <beemer> :)
[09:06] <beemer> good {insert greeting appropriate to your time of day here} everyone
[09:06] <beemer> how's that?
[09:07] <kronoz> well done!
[09:07] <kronoz> lol
[09:07] <seren> good ${time of day} everyone
[09:07] <John-Z> it was amusing the first time.
[09:08] <beemer> hehe - hey - got a question about nvidia drivers - mainly what's the diff between installing using the ones from the nvidia site vs. using the nvidia-glx from the repositories?
[09:08] <John-Z> Here we go AGAIN!
[09:08] <beemer> what?
[09:08] <John-Z> j/k
[09:08] <beemer> heh
[09:09] <kronoz> beemer, i don't think there is any difference apart from the binary installer from nvidia.com is harder to install
[09:09] <John-Z> *sigh*
[09:09] <beemer> oh ok - so it uses the same driver level and such then
[09:09] <beemer> it's not just a 'generic' driver
[09:10] <beemer> that makes things easier then - exactly why I like kubuntu
[09:11] <kronoz> lol, i think every distro is in about the same place with the nvidia drivers
[09:18] <winbond> the sound icon stopped showinf in the menu bar , any clue how to make it comeback
[09:19] <winbond> ;
[09:19] <winbond> '?
[09:19] <beemer> kronoz: well - i don't have that much experience with distros - tried mandrake a *long* time ago, then simply mepis last year, then kubuntu this year. Gave it 3 months and finally gave my win partiion the boot
[09:21] <tony__> searching for msn sniffer for linux
[09:25] <beemer> winbond - still there?
[09:33] <cycykewl> Hi all
[09:33] <beemer> howdy
[09:34] <beemer> anyone know how to get key for the apt repositories?  I have several that give either a no key or badsig error.
[09:34] <beemer> err that should be how to get gpg keys
[09:35] <cycykewl> I can't install printers ... is there a procedure or others ?
[09:35] <gurumeditationer> Does anyone else find the Azureus package to be broken?
[09:35] <h3sp4wn> install gnugpg (if it isn't installed) get riddell's key if it is the kubuntu repos you have problems with
[09:35] <linoman> hello
[09:36] <beemer> cycykewl - what's the issue you have when you try to install? also, is the printer attached or networked?
[09:36] <beemer> howdy linoman
[09:37] <linoman> Its great to be using Kubuntu 6.06 LTS but I have a very weird problem on my one machine
[09:37] <beemer> h3sp4wn - thanks
[09:37] <ubuntu> I'm a potential new user. I have an existing system, and want to know if I can install without formatting the drive (want to keep my home dir)
[09:38] <cycykewl> I test with local printer (USB printer) and with networked printers (SMB windows) and kubuntu say me that he couldn't load drivers (no good right ..)
[09:38] <linoman> I managed to install Kubuntu fine on this machine but I can not accsess or edit files that are in root direc
[09:38] <linoman> how can I get around that?
[09:38] <tuxcicles> ubuntu: do you have your home directory on a separate partition, then yes
[09:38] <ubuntu> no, one big partition. I don't mind dropping to shell to delete everything but /home though
[09:39] <acetyl_x> Hello :) I'm trying to upgrade from BB to DD. I have the DD iso, and looked at the info on the release page, where it recommends running apt-cdrom, then using adept...
[09:39] <h3sp4wn> ubuntu: You can install with debootstrap if you are relatively used to using linux though (similar to a gentoo install the installation of grub)
[09:40] <acetyl_x> ...apt-cdrom seemed to run okay and added a line to the apt sources file...
[09:41] <acetyl_x> But then the instructions says to go into "Manage repositories" and change to Dapper. Doesn't explain exactly what it means by this, as all that page allows you to do is add, remove or disable repository lines.
[09:41] <neuron_> should i enable the framebuffer device interface?
[09:41] <acetyl_x> So I tried highlighting it and hitty apply- then following the instructions, but no, nothing seemed to realise it had a whole load of updates.
[09:42] <acetyl_x> Then I tried disabling everything bar my cdrom source line, and the same
[09:42] <ubuntu> thanks h3sp4wn and tuxcicles
[09:42] <acetyl_x> Is my apt/adept backend behaving oddly or are the instructions severely lacking?
[09:43] <h3sp4wn> ubuntu: there is a wiki page about installing with debootstrap - is the partition formatted with ext3 ? If it is you should be fine
[09:43] <ubuntu> in adept, why are some packages greyed out?
[09:44] <tuxcicles> ubuntu: np, that is why I always put my home directory on one big partition, so I don't have to work so hard to reinstall anything I want
[09:44] <buz> acetyl_x: you can do it on the console
[09:44] <buz> run sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:44] <buz> and replace occurrences of breezy through dapper
[09:44] <buz> then hit ctrl-x
[09:45] <GullyFoyle> ok so i upgraded to dapper and now i have no sound
[09:45] <acetyl_x> Ah, so they really did mean "edit your sources file, changing every instance of the string 'breezy' to 'dapper'"?
[09:46] <cycykewl> where can I find wiki about networked printers install ?
[09:46] <buz> acetyl_x: yes
[09:46] <acetyl_x> And I'm a vi man myself
[09:46] <buz> yeah you can use vi of course ;)
[09:46] <buz> it's just that nano is less alien to most so i generally recommend using it ;)
[09:46] <GullyFoyle> system>infocenter>sound>no soundcard
[09:46] <GullyFoyle> i had a soundcard under breezy lol
[09:47] <GullyFoyle> dapper removed my soundcard
[09:47] <acetyl_x> Still...how is it that with only one active (non commented out) source (the cdrom) it doesn't recognise anything to upgrade?
[09:47] <acetyl_x> I clicked the "full upgrade" button, and nothing happens
[09:47] <buz> after changing the sources file?
[09:47] <beemer> with only the cd-rom active?
[09:47] <acetyl_x> None of the packages are listed as upgradable or anything.
[09:47] <GullyFoyle> you're lucky, my upgrade screwed up my system
[09:47] <acetyl_x> Yep, there's only one line...hang on, let me cut and paste
[09:48] <buz> acetyl_x: go to the console. try sudo apt-get update
[09:48] <buz> adept is rather hard to debug
[09:48] <acetyl_x> changed the sources list, *then* started adept, to make sure it didn't have a cahced coppy or anything
[09:48] <beemer> ok
[09:48] <buz> that should have worked i gues
[09:48] <beemer> thought you were saying you only had the cd-rom repo active
[09:48] <buz> but anyway, try the console ;)
[09:48] <acetyl_x> adept scared me anyway...having aal that X and KDE running *while* a full upgrade was going on? Amazed that doesn't fuck up horribly.
[09:49] <acetyl_x> I think I might try the console. So, apt-upgrade + some switches of some sort?
[09:49] <neuron_> how can i enlarge *ALL* text in kde?
[09:49] <buz> apt-get dist-upgrade, yes
[09:49] <buz> console is surely safer
[09:49] <buz> to behonest i dont know if adept CAN update it, back in flight3 it couldnt but ever since i didnt try
[09:50] <acetyl_x> dist-upgrade, got ya. Yes beemer, just the cdrom line active. Don't think I'm contradicted myself, have I?
[09:50] <beemer> acetyl_x - There are some sources in this install guide: http://www.linuxloader.com/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=28
[09:50] <Chousuke> It's usually safe to run apps while updating.
[09:50] <buz> wait
[09:50] <buz> what cdrom have you got in the drive?
[09:50] <Chousuke> but I suppose you shouldn't _start_ any apps while updating.
[09:50] <acetyl_x> It's on the main "Dapper Drake released" page, that's what's scary....it's the first instructions that most people will see
[09:50] <neuron_> any ideeas?
[09:51] <acetyl_x> the cdrom is the same one that I had in there when I ran 'apt-cdrom add', to wit: the 6.06 kubuntu i386 iso
[09:52] <buz> mhh that supposedly works (i never use cdroms for updating myself)
[09:52] <beemer> did you change the cd rom to read dapper instead of breezy?
[09:52] <h3sp4wn> It needs to be the alternate cd otherwise the deb's are not on it
[09:52] <beemer> err the cd-rom line in the sources
[09:52] <h3sp4wn> It just has a squashfs root
[09:53] <acetyl_x> The cdrom line only ever read "dapper" since it was put there by running apt-cdrom, while the dapper cd was in the drive (which it seemed to think was hunky dory)
[09:58] <igg> hi
[09:59] <igg> holas
[10:00] <linoman> allo
[10:01] <acetyl_x> Okay, this is what the only uncommented line in /etc/apt/sources.list says:
[10:02] <acetyl_x> deb cdrom:[Kubuntu 6.06 _Dapper Drake_ - Release i386 (20060531)] / dapper main restricted
[10:04] <beemer> h3sp4wn - you still around?
[10:04] <acetyl_x> And running "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" is a bit disappointing. It just says that two packages were "kept back", namely cpp and cpp-4.0...and then the summary is "0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 2 not upgraded."
[10:04] <h3sp4wn> beemer: Hello
[10:04] <beemer> heya - you fix fixed some of the apt key messages but I still get : W: GPG error: http://security.ubuntu.com dapper-security Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key <ftpmaster@ubuntu.com>
[10:05] <beemer> of course, it says to run apt-get update to fix
[10:05] <beemer> which of course is what I just ran :)
[10:05] <h3sp4wn> But that doesn't work
[10:06] <h3sp4wn> I know it may sound stupid but is your clock set correctly ?
[10:06] <beemer> yep
[10:06] <beemer> yeah - kde and date command both show the same
[10:06] <beemer> and current
[10:07] <h3sp4wn> (You will always get the GPG error if the clock is set to 1970 or whatever - I found that out by alot of effort (That box has no hardware clock))
[10:07] <acetyl_x> h3sp4wn: Ahhhh I just read your comment. I need a different iso (which is, as I type, on it's way down as fast as my cable modem will allow)
[10:07] <chavo> acetyl_x, did you apt-get update first?
[10:08] <h3sp4wn> beemer: pastebin the output of grep -v '^#' /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:08] <acetyl_x> I will say one other very odd thing I noticed just now- I was about to ssh in from this box to the kubuntu box, and I realised I didn't know the IP. When I checked on the box, which is meant to use dhcp, it had somehow magically gotten itself a public IP address. God knows where from.
[10:09] <acetyl_x> chavo: I did, yes.
[10:09] <buz> sounds like your lan is kinda weir
[10:09] <buz> d
[10:09] <buz> you got a local dhcp server
[10:09] <buz> ?
[10:09] <acetyl_x> I do, it's not in the leases.
[10:10] <beemer> h3sp4wn - ok - bin'd
[10:11] <acetyl_x> buz: You beschmirching my lan ;)
[10:11] <buz> yes
[10:11] <acetyl_x> buz: Oooo the cheak of it
[10:11] <buz> cause ubuntu cant magically get some ip that is not offered to it ;)
[10:12] <buz> (trust me, i worked for an isp for 5 years ;)
[10:12] <acetyl_x> buz: Well it did. There's only one dhcp server running on the public side of the firewall box, and that's not handed it out- it's given a specific pool to chose from, and there's nothing in the leases file.
[10:12] <buz> that is really really weird
[10:13] <buz> you mean theres dhcp on the private side, yes?
[10:13] <acetyl_x> buz: Yes. ISC's dhcpcd
[10:18] <qbyte> Why is it when I open an MP3 in amaroK, it starts, then stops within the same millisecond?
[10:18] <acetyl_x> buz: Grepping for the mac address shows that it was given a lease on a 192. address today, doesn't expire until tomorrow. And I have just found a file on the kubuntu box- /var/run/dhclient.eth0.leases
[10:18] <h3sp4wn> beemer: What is the url ?
[10:18] <buz> but it lists a public ip for eth0?
[10:19] <buz> that is seriously weird
[10:19] <buz> never heard anything like that
[10:19] <acetyl_x> buz: Well I looked in that file, and oddly, no mention of the mysterious public IP at all. Three mentions of the address that tallies with what dhcpd had granted it, 192.168.0.217...
[10:19] <buz> unless of course it did connect to another wlan
[10:19] <acetyl_x> buz: Oh gosh, I can't afford anything wireless :)
[10:20] <buz> you'll probably live longer for it ;)
[10:20] <h3sp4wn> beemer: Compare it against this http://pastebin.com/770740 (I don't bother with comments in mine makes it easier to read I think)
[10:20] <linoman> @qbyte have you installed all the needed codecs to be able to play music files?
[10:21] <acetyl_x> buz: But it does seem to suggest it somehow broke through into the outside world- because that public address it had, wasn't even within the netblocks owned by my ISP. Starting to think I am hallucinating.
[10:22] <buz> wait, what ip was it?
[10:22] <buz> there's one specific ip (i think it starts with 169) that is used when there is NO dhcp ip assigned
[10:22] <buz> sometimes, anyway
[10:22] <qbyte> linoman: what codecs do I need and what's the easiest way to get them?
[10:23] <qbyte> or a web page with a howto even
[10:23] <linoman> one second qbyte
[10:23] <buz> !restrictedformats
[10:23] <ubotu> [restrictedformats]  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats Most of the formats listed here can be replaced by !FreeFormats
[10:23] <acetyl_x> buz: Ahhh you know what, it might have been 169...looked rather random
[10:24] <buz> maybe it didnt get an ip until that
[10:24] <beemer> h3sp4wn - sorry - had someone at my desk - http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/770722
[10:24] <buz>  !FreeFormats
[10:24] <ubotu> There are a large number of Free Formats which are preferred over patent and copyright encumbered formats. They are listed here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreeFormats
[10:24] <h3sp4wn> 172.16 is also private (but less often used than 192.168. or 10.0.0.0
[10:25] <acetyl_x> Odd, since the route was set correctly, and it seemed to have net access, unless it had that 169 address only for the split second I checked)
[10:25] <linoman> qbyte you might want to install Automaitx it will make your life a lot easier.. www.getautomatix.org
[10:25] <acetyl_x> buz: Also odd since the dhcpd box hasn't been down, and has records of handing out that IP to the kubunto box all day long
[10:25] <domi> hi. Why can't I see thumbnails of video in konqueror with dapper ?
[10:26] <acetyl_x> buz: I think I'll chalk it up to temporary insanity. That alternative iso is nearly downloaded, so I might have more luck this time...so I'll do an apt-cdrom add, followed by apt-get update, then apt-get dist-upgrade.
[10:27] <buz> you know you can do it without iso?
[10:27] <buz> over the net
[10:27] <acetyl_x> buz: Well if it goes well, I have the intention of installing on a few other boxes. Having said that, *those* boxes will be from-scratch, and won't use the alt iso
[10:28] <buz> ah ok ;)
[10:28] <acetyl_x> buz: Never mind...it's nearly here now
[10:30] <zorgluuu> q. when i launch adept just after boot, or after, i got a message popping up like 'cant update the package because another apps is using the database' my guess is that there is a lock somewhere. something which has been forgotten. and adept believe another apps it running on the database. how can i remove it ?
[10:31] <zorgluuu> You will not be able to change your system settings in any way (install, remove or upgrade software), because another process is using the packaging system database (probably some other Adept application or apt-get or aptitude). Please close the other application before using this one. <- this is the exact message
[10:32] <neuron_> i  got a problem, i cant change between sesions using ctrl+alt+fx anymore
[10:32] <neuron_> how can i reasign ctrl+alt+fx to their sessions ?
[10:33] <qbyte> thx, automatic rocks
[10:34] <qbyte> automatix - err
[10:35] <acetyl_x> Thanks buz and h3sp4wn for pointing me at my misunderstanding- I do think that the instuctions on the website ought to be ammended to include reference to the "alternate" iso. Maybe I'll mail them.
[10:35] <buz> or just edit the wiki ;)
[10:37] <zorgluuu> nobody for my dpkg database question ?
[10:37] <DaSkreech> zorgluuu: Whats up?
[10:38] <zorgluuu> q. when i launch adept just after boot, or after, i got a message popping up like 'cant update the package because another apps is using the database' my guess is that there is a lock somewhere. something which has been forgotten. and adept believe another apps it running on the database. how can i remove it ? <- bis
[10:40] <uniq> zorgluuu: open konsole, write 'sudo fuser -vk /var/lib/dpkg/lock' and start adept again.
[10:41] <linoman> no problem glad you like automatix
[10:42] <acetyl_x> buz: The wiki is not a bad place to put it- but I'd rather have it accompanying the slightly too simplified instructions on the main website.
[10:44] <buz> point
[10:44] <TheHighChild> Any VMware users out there?
[10:44] <linoman> does ex Vmware user count?
[10:45] <TheHighChild> I guess, I was just hoping someone may have experience with this error 'Virtual device Ethernet0 will start disconnected.'
[10:46] <TheHighChild> I'd like to use the VM's with neworking but cannot so far
[10:46] <linoman> Which version of VM you using?
[10:46] <TheHighChild> The latest Beta
[10:47] <linoman> did you have this problem before the beta?
[10:48] <zorgluuu> uniq, i did it, now adept doesnt pop up any message but fails to launch. it just wait a bit, like 4-5 sec, and then disapears
[10:49] <gan|y|med> hi
[10:49] <gan|y|med> call me stupid, but i cannot find libxine-extracodecs... where can i find it? (universe and multiverse are activated)
[10:50] <h3sp4wn> multiverse
[10:50] <h3sp4wn> definately
[10:50] <Healot> gan|y|med: i will if you don;t show me your sources.list
[10:52] <gan|y|med> wait a mom. i think i had a little mistake. i have multiverse in my source.list, but the distri is dapper-backports...
[10:52] <DaSkreech> gan|y|med: There you go :)
[10:53] <svivian> <requests assistance from KDE desktop subject expert re: the KDE su tool
[10:53] <Healot> yeah
[10:53] <Healot> the usual repos source mistake
[10:53] <Healot> put the multiverse/universe on the "dapper" repos list...
[10:54] <Healot> not "dapper-backports"
[10:55] <gan|y|med> but it's cool that there is a backport repo right from the beginning...
[10:55] <uniq> zorgluuu: try this command in konsole: "sudo dpkg --configure -a" and then start adept.
[10:56] <uniq> svivian: what is your problem with kdesu?
[10:57] <svivian> anyone? anyone?
[10:57] <uniq> svivian: yes, what is your problem?
[10:57] <acetyl_x> svivian: I'd just ask the question if I were you
[10:57] <DaSkreech> !ask
[10:57] <ubotu> For information on how to ask good questions please see http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html The more information you can give the better we can help you. If your going to give output of commands please use http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[10:57] <svivian> acetyl_x: gotcha
[10:57] <h3sp4wn> svivian: Have you enabled root if so you may quite easily break kdesu
[10:58] <acetyl_x> Oh esr you raving gun nut...
[10:58] <DaSkreech> He likes guns?
[10:58] <svivian> As of earlier this afternoon, KDE su will no longer let me enter text in the password field. All other applications still work. Why would this be, and more importantly, how can I correct it/prevent it from happening again?
[10:58] <acetyl_x> Oh gosh yes.
[10:59] <acetyl_x> One of those libertarian types that thinks that "the right to bear arms" means "you *must* own lots of guns" :)
[10:59] <MetaMorfoziS> svivian: not because the cpuload is high?
[11:00] <acetyl_x> svivian: is the field greyed out? does it display a cursor?
[11:00] <svivian> Meta: nope. Everything else is running fine. I even took the extreme measure of rebooting to be sure
[11:00] <svivian> It displays a cursor, and I can right-click in the field, I just can't enter text
[11:01] <nico8481> any idea how to tell once and for all to kontact/kmail that no, I still don't want to use the f***in' kwallet, and prevent him to bug me each time I close Kontact?
[11:01] <acetyl_x> svivian: I'm not saying this is *sensible*, but have you tried pasting your password in there?
[11:02] <svivian> This behavior happens when trying to run adept and the administrator mode of system services. I have tried pasting my password in the field, but nothing appears and if I click enter it says wrong password.
[11:02] <svivian> The application still responds to the keyboard, because the enter and esc keys still interact with the dialog box, but the letter keys do nothing.
[11:02] <dvasquez> greetings
[11:03] <Rainier> is it ok to ask for help here?
[11:04] <acetyl_x> svivian: I'd be silly if I didn't ask the question- what, if anything, have you done to the system between it working and when you noticed it had stopped working?
[11:04] <Healot> not ok, Rainier, if you don;t ask the question
[11:05] <acetyl_x> svivian: kde apps are not great for producing debug output I've found, but have you launched it from the command line?
[11:06] <Rainier> its about aptitude
[11:06] <Rainier> i normally use adept
[11:06] <Healot> still no question there :(
[11:06] <Rainier> but once i tried aptitude, changed a package(don't remember which on) and it started removing A LOT of packages
[11:06] <Rainier> im pretty sure it wasnt because of dependancy
[11:07] <Rainier> any idea why that is?
[11:07] <winbond> can somone tell me how to add the sound icon to the menu ??? it dissapeared
[11:08] <Healot> if you remember the package name, maybe... I'll give you some hints though, Rainier
[11:08] <svivian> The last thing I installed was yesterday, and it was the password generator. Yesterday, I could lauch adept fine (I have been keeping it up in case I need a package). Running kdesu from the command line produces the same behavior. I can run sudo from command just fine, and can lauch adept successfully with it.
[11:09] <Healot> read the output before actually doing something with any package manager... make sure you understood what the manager says
[11:09] <svivian> acetyl, how are you replying directly to me? I am using Konversation, but am not that familiar with it
[11:09] <Rainier> ok thanx
[11:10] <acetyl_x> svivian: I'm not replying to you, not exactly. I'm just prefixing my channel messages with your handle. Lots of clients (I'm using kvirc) have nick completion, so typing just sv-TAB does the trick.
[11:10] <svivian> acetyl_x: got it
[11:10] <DaSkreech> svivian: hi
[11:10] <svivian> DaSkreech: hi
[11:10] <DaSkreech> :-)
[11:11] <acetyl_x> svivian: your client might be highlighting messages that start or contain your nick, but that's client side.
[11:11] <svivian> acetyl_x: It is probably as you say. Makes it easier to follow the conversation
[11:11] <gan|y|med> cu
[11:12] <acetyl_x> svivian: I'm afraid I'm not sure what your problem is though- I've had a quick peek at bugs.kde.org. Are you running the latest KDE, 3.5.3? If not, perhaps it's worth updating, since it might fix what went wrong, you never know.
[11:12] <svivian> acetyl_x: In any case, I just ran kdesu from the command line, and it presented the same behavior: cannot enter text in the password field
[11:12] <svivian> acetyl_x: I
[11:12] <svivian> I'll check, hang on
[11:14] <svivian> acetyl_x: I am running kdebase version 3.4.3. This is a recent install of Kubuntu from the live DVD.
[11:16] <acetyl_x> svivian: I'd definitely upgrade, that's really rather old now.
[11:16] <DaSkreech> can K3b burn wma?
[11:17] <svivian> acetyl_x: I don't see it in the package directory in adept. Is there a package available?
[11:17] <acetyl_x> svivian: Again, it's not a very linuxy way of trying to fix a problem, but the latest KDE is worth getting, lots of fixes etc. Yes, packages for Dapper are available.
[11:18] <winbond> can somone tell me how to add the volume control icon to the menu ??? it dissapeared
[11:18] <acetyl_x> DaSkreech: Not according to when I tried it just now with the latest k3b 0.12.15
[11:18] <svivian> acetyl_x: I'm still on breezy.
[11:18] <acetyl_x> winbond: Hit Alt-F2 and type kmix
[11:18] <svivian> Dapper was still in beta when I loaded my system. Is there an upgrade path?
[11:19] <DaSkreech> winbond: Hi
[11:19] <DaSkreech> winbond: add the kmix applet
[11:19] <DaSkreech> to the system tray
[11:19] <DaSkreech> You have a system tray right?
[11:19] <acetyl_x> svivian: s'funny you should ask, I'm in here trying to sort out upgrading...the upgrade is running right now on my kubuntu box.
[11:19] <winbond> DaSkreech: when i add kmix its like really big , takes up half of my taskbar
[11:20] <DaSkreech> Resize it
[11:20] <DaSkreech> Sometimes when I add the task manager it gets really small just move it till i's where you want it
[11:21] <winbond> DaSkreech: ok , i know whats going on , how can i make it run on startup?
[11:21] <acetyl_x> kmix should only be a small icon in the task bar.
[11:21] <DaSkreech> winbond: Just get it to where you want it
[11:21] <DaSkreech> Logout and then log back in
[11:21] <acetyl_x> winbond: It will auto load if you don't close it when you shut down/log off
[11:22] <DaSkreech> Should set it in kde's memory
[11:22] <winbond> acetyl_x:  aha ,im still thinking windows ,  thanks
[11:23] <winbond> DaSkreech: thanks again
[11:23] <DaSkreech> winbond: Log out and back in and let us know if it worked
[11:24] <winbond> ok
[11:24] <svivian> acetyl_x: Gonna drop now. I just found the upgrade path on the Kubuntu site, so am going to run the Full Upgrade. Wish me luck.
[11:27] <hi247man> anyone here use LinNeighborhood to mount remote windows shares ?
[11:30] <noaXess> where are the profiles saved from klaptop?
[11:31] <hi247man> smbmnt must be installed suid root for direct user mounts (1000,1000)
[11:31] <hi247man> smbmnt failed: 1
[11:31] <noaXess> hi247man: what you want to do?
[11:31] <noaXess> install smbmnt packache
[11:31] <noaXess> package
[11:32] <noaXess> !mp3
[11:32] <winbond> ok , its working ,
[11:32] <ubotu> [mp3]  a patented format; to enable mp3 capability see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[11:32] <hi247man> im trying to mount the shares on my smb server
[11:32] <noaXess> hi247man: yeah.. try this..
[11:33] <noaXess> wait...
[11:33] <winbond> thanks linuxerz
[11:33] <AMEGALUSX> anyone know how i can get kaffeine to play a DVD??
[11:33] <AMEGALUSX> it doesnt work
[11:34] <icheyne> I'm using Wireless Assistant to connect to my wifi, but I have to reconnect at every login. Got any idea how I can make it do that automatically?
[11:35] <hi247man>  Couldn't find package smbmnt
[11:36] <havoc> so what do I need to do to get an ATI Radeon 9200 SE to work?
[11:37] <Healot> !ati
[11:37] <ubotu> it has been said that ati is http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/hardware.html#installatidriver or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI ... the radeon 9200 and below are supported by the open-source drivers
[11:37] <havoc> Healot: thanx
[11:37] <noaXess> hi247man: sudo smbmount //server/dir/to/mount /dir/to/mount/point -o username=smbuser,password=smbpassword,uid=yourusername,gid=yourgroupname
[11:38] <h3sp4wn> havoc: should work with the opensource drivers best
[11:38] <michael__> AMEGALUSX, try installing xine, xine-ui, and kaffeine-xine. The xine engine plays DVDs.
[11:38] <Healot> libxine-extracodecs too
[11:39] <havoc> h3sp4wn: yeah, but which driver is that?
[11:39] <h3sp4wn> havoc: radeon
[11:39] <havoc> trying....
[11:39] <h3sp4wn> xserver-xorg-driver-radeon (I think it is provided by xorg-driver-ati)
[11:39] <h3sp4wn> what does glxinfo give you ?
[11:40] <havoc> h3sp4wn: a ton of crap :)
[11:40] <Healot> "radeon" not "ati" for 3D acceleration for 8500-9200
[11:40] <h3sp4wn> Do you get direct rendering: Yes
[11:41] <DaSkreech> winbond: Great :-)
[11:41] <havoc> hang on, restarting X
[11:41] <bugworm> hi all
[11:41] <h3sp4wn> Healot: I think now ati should passthru to radeon if necessary - hence the reason  xserver-xorg-driver-radeon is a virtual package
[11:42] <bugworm> can anyone help me ? installed kubuntu on ubuntu system... and dont like it anymore, how to deinstall ?
[11:42] <noaXess> hi247man: does it work?
[11:42] <Healot> but for me, fglrx is still the best even a bit troublesome
[11:42] <havoc> gah, still stuck in 1024x768 :<
[11:43] <hi247man> noaXess, still working on it
[11:43] <noaXess> hi247man: you need some packages first.. to use smbmount
[11:44] <glyph_> hello
[11:44] <DaSkreech> anyone installes xorg-sxserver-air-core?
[11:44] <glyph_> is there away to configure kpilot to work wit a Pocket PC PDA?
[11:45] <havoc> gah, cannot change the res :<
[11:48] <havoc> so, still not working with the ATI
[11:48] <winbond> now the only thing i need is get the software raid and xgl to work
[11:49] <nico8481> anyone know a tool to split an animated gif into multiple files (one per frame) ?
[11:50] <winbond> is nayone here running software raid?
[11:53] <winbond> is nayone here running software raid?
[11:53] <havoc> and now the Display - System Settings won't run
[11:54] <havoc> wonderful
[11:54] <havoc> ok, it runs, it just won't go into admin mode
[11:55] <Healot> amarok is freaking head-ache
[11:56] <Healot> but bleh I figured this bs out
[11:56] <h3sp4wn> Its fine as long as you remember to unmount your mp3 player (otherwise you end up with half old have new stuff
[11:57] <Healot> why the heck is the default output for xine-engine (for amarok) is oss?
[11:57] <Healot> F...
[11:58] <Healot> while other player using the same engine choose autodetect or alsa... ama doesn't rock anymore
[12:00] <Healot> winbond: any question on RAID?
[12:00] <havoc> bah, had to reboot, not just login/logout (which should have HUP'd X)
[12:01] <winbond> Healot: well , i tried to install software raid ,
[12:01] <winbond> Healot: it took me 2 whole days to figure out that i cant do it ,
[12:01] <Healot> winbond: still no question :(
[12:01] <winbond> Healot: because something with grub not installing on software raid
[12:02] <Healot> winbond: make a /boot partition, install grub on that part or the MBR
[12:02] <Healot> of course GRUB won't boot on LVM partitions
[12:02] <winbond> Healot:whats lvm partitions?
[12:03] <Healot> your RAID parition, no matter what type, RAID0/1/5