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vdepizzolthere are a rosetta channel?12:07
kikovdepizzol, you are there!12:08
kermitX_i have had some problems with a page at launchpad.net. may i ask for help here (may get a little technical)?12:09
vdepizzolheehe... :P... rosetta would be a search form to see items already translated12:10
kikovdepizzol, that's a known bug and highly requested; it's likely that carlos will work on that as soon as his current feature is landed12:12
vdepizzolok :P12:12
vdepizzolit will be easier to standard a lot of words in translations...12:13
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kikomatsubara, review sent.12:25
matsubarakiko: thanks12:26
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bradbkiko: how much longer will you be around? i hope to land the perms patch tonight.12:52
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kikobradb, I'm around, send me diffs!01:02
bradbrefactoring this thing is harder than it looks01:02
kikoas long as you make it simpler01:03
salgadohey kiko, let's exchange reviews this time? I'm sending you soon. what about mine?01:08
salgados/you/yours/01:09
kikosalgado, yours will ruin my swimming, so I'll need to send it in tomorrow monring. acceptable?01:09
salgadowell, then it's very unlikely that stub will be able to cherry pick it before monday. which means a few thousand extra requests for Marilize to approve01:10
kikoHEY 01:10
kikodon't give me this guilt trip crap01:11
salgadoI think she'll understand that it won't get in because you had to go swimming. ;)01:11
kiko@!#@!#!$01:12
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bradbkiko: pleaseibegyouletmelandthis!01:13
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kikodude I need to go in like 5 minutes01:14
kikoyou can call me later if you like though01:14
kikoSMS the patch01:14
kikoetc01:14
bradbheh!01:14
bradbkiko: can i just land it without further refactoring for now?01:15
kikowhy didn't you do the simple suggestion I gave, grumble01:15
bradbit's not simple!01:15
kikowell fix it and I'll stamp tomorrow morning first thing01:16
kikohow about that?01:16
bradbok01:16
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kiko-zzzsalgado, GO HOME01:22
salgadonot before you send my review!01:22
kiko-zzzYou can increase sperm you produce five times01:24
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spivsiretart: the url for pushing to bazaar.launchpad.net is sftp://bazaar.launchpad.net/~USER/PRODUCT/BRANCH, where USER is your launchpad nick, PRODUCT is the name of a product registered in launchpad (or +junk for no product), BRANCH is the name for this branch.02:31
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SteveAmorning07:46
spivAfternoon :)07:48
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SteveAspiv. jamesh, stub: meeting time 07:59
spivI'm already on skype.07:59
SteveAso i see07:59
stubpublic holiday here, so better be quick08:00
stub:)08:00
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jameshSteveA: sorry.  Was out getting lunch08:20
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lifelessmorning08:40
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sivangmorning08:52
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siretartspiv: I was rather talking about auto-imported branches like this one: https://launchpad.net/products/xine-lib/head09:16
siretartspiv: is there a list which branches are auto-imported? How to request a product to be auto-imported so that I can branch from them?09:17
spivsiretart: https://launchpad.net/people/vcs-imports/+branches09:34
spivsiretart: although for some reason the xine-lib branch doesn't seem to be listed, maybe it isn't syncing correctly :(09:34
spivsiretart: ddaa will know more09:34
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siretartspiv: cool. can anyone register branches there so they get autoimported?09:35
sabdflsiretart: yes09:35
siretarthi mark! 09:35
siretartcool! :)09:35
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spivsiretart: talk to ddaa, but it ought to just be a matter of filling out the source details.09:39
siretartspiv: ok. I'll wait for him here. I'm not how to fill in the details, because it's a svn09:39
spivsiretart: well, https://launchpad.net/products/mplayer/trunk apparently already has some SVN details.09:41
spivThe import for that is only "testing" rather than "syncing", though.09:41
siretartspiv: for xine-lib, it is already 'syncing' but it doesn't show up at vcs-imports as well09:42
spivBut yeah, at this point all I can do is wave my arms about vaguely and point at ddaa ;)09:42
siretart:)09:43
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SteveAjordi: ping10:26
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jordiSteveA: here10:34
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jordimdke: pingping!01:26
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carloslater02:08
mdkejordi: hi02:16
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sabdflSteveA, kiko-zzz: all set to speak in 1502:43
SteveAsabdfl: ack02:44
SteveAcprov: is kiko around?02:44
cprovSteveA: I'm not at office, want me to call him ?02:44
SteveAplease, he has a conf call in 15 mins02:45
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cprovSteveA: he is not reachable02:48
SteveAsalgado: are you in the async offices?02:49
salgadoSteveA, yes02:49
SteveAis kiko there?02:49
salgadoSteveA, not yet02:49
SteveAsabdfl: dialing in...03:01
kiko-zzzsabdfl, SteveA: all I hear is new age!03:04
sabdflSteveA, kiko-zzz: i'm in03:10
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Kagouhi03:21
KagouIs it planed to add a release selection form in reporting bugs  https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+filebug ?03:22
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ddaagood morning03:36
bradbKagou: not yet. bug 424.03:38
UbugtuMalone bug 424 in malone "No distribution or version field" [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/42403:38
Kagouwow pas tout jeune celui-ci ... merci pour l'info03:38
bradbde rien03:38
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Kagoucya03:47
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carlosBjornT: hi, around?04:05
BjornThi carlos 04:06
carlosBjornT: about your pomsgsetpage review:04:06
carlosThis should mean that choosing the alternative language is currently04:06
carlosbroken in your patch. Please add a simple page test for it.04:06
carlosdoes it mean that it's broken as it's atm?04:06
carlosor that it would be broken if I revert my change?04:06
BjornTcarlos: add a test and find out ;) i meant it looked like it's currently broken in your patch. reverting your changes should unbreak it. either way a simple pagetest would be sure to ensure that it's not broken.04:09
carlosBjornT: I have a test already04:09
carlosand it works04:09
carloshttps://chinstrap.ubuntu.com/~dsilvers/paste/fileLhp2zl.html04:09
carlosthat's testing exactly that04:09
carlosoh, is your point that the selection using a web browser would not work?04:10
BjornTcarlos: yeah04:11
carloshmm, let me check, I think I have also that kind of test...04:11
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carlosBjornT: confirmed, I don't have such test04:12
carlosthanks for the warning04:13
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kiko-zzzbradb, can you show me just the changed and added methods there?04:24
bradbkiko-zzz: sure, one sec04:24
salgadostub, are you going to stay around for a while?04:26
salgado(in case you are around now)04:27
bradbkiko-zzz: (Sorry, I had to boot up my youbuntwo laptop...was still reading morning mail on another machine): https://chinstrap.warthogs.hbd.com/~dsilvers/paste/filegTxWYt.html04:32
kiko-zzzbradb, what happened to the widgets that were setup!04:33
bradbkiko-zzz: don't ask. it's just magic.04:33
kiko-zzzthat used to be setup04:33
kiko-zzztell me04:33
kiko-zzzplease04:33
kiko-zzzI must know!04:33
bradbthey get setup in the setUpWidgets and setUpDisplayWidgets calls04:33
bradbthey were, AFAICS, needlessly manually instantiated04:34
bradbAFAICS, i.e., the tests passed04:34
kiko-zzzcan you confirm that with BjornT?04:34
kiko-zzzdid you visually inspect?04:34
bradbi visually inspected, yeah04:34
bradbi didn't really test the bug watch stuff though04:35
bradbbut i ran its tests04:35
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stubsalgado: There is a beer with my name on it. Whats up?04:39
BjornTbradb: please inspect th bug watch stuff visually. in general we don't test that information is visible on the page that well.04:39
bradbBjornT: maybe you can have a look since you know more quickly where and what to inspect?04:40
bradbBjornT: my server is running, same url as yesterday04:40
salgadostub, there's some shipit changes that need to be cherry picked. but kiko-zzz doesn't want to review them, so I think it's going to take some time until it lands. :-(04:41
BjornTbradb: actually, did xx-bugtask-bugwatch-linkage.txt still pass after your change?04:41
bradbi'll try04:42
stubsalgado: Email me the details when it is done - I can look at it tomorrow.04:42
salgadostub, cool. thanks!04:42
stubsalgado: Might want to remove the LOCK on shippingrequest too while you are at it - I don't think it is serving any useful purpose and just causing timeouts.04:44
salgadostub, yeah, I've done that already. :)04:44
bradbBjornT: urgh04:44
bradbBjornT: that one fails. all the bugtask-management ones and bugwatch.txt passed. do you see any obvious problems in the logic at the URL i gave kiko?04:46
BjornTbradb: well, one error is that you removed all the CustomWidgetFactory calls, causing the wrong widgets being used. i'll check if i can see a logic error causing the assignee to be editable.04:49
bradbBjornT: I assumed those widgets would be properly setup, based on whether they were in the setUpWidgets or setUpDisplayWidgets calls.04:53
BjornTbradb: no, setUpWidgets and setUpDisplayWidgets use the default widgets. CustomWidgetFactory is used to specify non-default widgets.04:54
BjornTbradb: i think the assignee is editable since a custom widget is specified in zcml, so you need to explicitly specify a display widget using CustomWidgetFactory.05:01
bradbI so wish kiko didn't make me refactor this code more than I already had. :) Darn "simple" changes.05:01
kiko-zzzI liked the change05:03
kiko-zzzand it should be easy to fix that05:03
kiko-zzzit's not really that complicated AFAICT05:03
kiko-zzzjust add an if clause in _setupWidgets.05:03
kiko-zzz(and I must say that was what I suggested last evening, which would have taken 10 minutes!)05:04
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matthewrevellHello - has anyone noticed delays in receiving email from Launchpad.net?05:06
kiko-zzzmatthewrevell, some people whitelist or block email from us. could that be the cause?05:06
matthewrevellkiko-zzz: I got the mail after a half-hour delay, or so. It happened with a few password reminders and such. Trying to work out if the delay is at my end, with Gmail or at Launchpad.05:07
matthewrevellkiko-zzz: As I got it eventually, I'm pretty certain it isn't blacklisted.05:08
kiko-zzzcould be whitelisted05:08
matthewrevellkiko-zzz: Wouldn't a whitelist just mean it bypasses the spam filter? Or am I thinking of something else?05:09
carlosBjornT: do you know that the DistributionUsingMaloneVocabulary vocabulary has getTermByToken defined twice ?05:13
BjornTcarlos: that's a bug. please remove the first definition.05:15
carlosok05:15
carlosI think I fixed something like that some time ago in another vocabulary05:16
carlosI guess it's a product of copy&paste05:16
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BjornTyeah, i seem to recall that i fixed something like that a while ago as well05:17
SteveAkiko-zzz: i thin you meant "greylisted" rather than "whitelisted"05:28
kiko-zzzyeah I did05:28
kiko-zzzI was on a transcontinental phone call dammit!05:28
SteveAinter continental bastard meeting05:29
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ddaaSteveA: I dunno if I came around telling you05:31
SteveAhello ddaa 05:31
ddaaSteveA: but before leaving london, I managed to run cscvs to make a bzr-native import05:31
SteveAholy crap, that's great05:31
ddaastill a lot of work to do there, so the test suite uses bzr across the board05:32
SteveAthis is good news indeed05:35
SteveAthanks for telling me05:35
lifelessSteveA: what are your thoughts on using pyrex in bzr ?05:37
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SteveAi haven't looked at pyrex in a while.05:37
phanaticevening everyone05:37
SteveAin its favour, it should be possible to keep a python implementation in sync with a pyrex implementation05:38
SteveAand rig things up to test both05:38
phanatici'd like to ask if it's possible to remove one of my branches from the supermirror?05:38
lifelessSteveA: yes, thats something I'm looking at.05:41
lifelessI've just 'whipped up' (2 hours end to end) a listdir that takes 1/3 the time of os.listdir and also provides the file type.05:41
lifelessthis is a core operation for us.05:42
phanaticactually i'd like to move it from my home directory to a project's directory (i think the easiest way to do this is delete + push again) - or is there no way to do this right now?05:42
lifelessjust change the owner, I think that that is supported05:43
phanaticlifeless: how can i do that?05:43
phanatici've registered the product, but it's now driven by a team. so it would be better to have that branch under the team's space, so other members could work on them. tell me if i said something wrong :)05:45
SteveAlifeless: what does os.listdir() take so long in comparison?05:45
lifelessdo you mean why ?05:46
SteveAany w* word will do05:46
SteveAso long as it is polite05:46
lifelesswt :)05:46
lifelesslistdir stats the files it looks at twice.  this does not stat at all for many systems05:47
SteveAinteresting05:47
lifelessalso listdir does not access the path elements in an order that is near-optimal for the disk layout 05:47
SteveAi wonder if there's a patch you could get upstream05:47
SteveAif it were in C, it could get into python 2.505:48
SteveAthere's a performance hike going on right now05:48
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lifelessyes, which is good for future :)05:48
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lifelessso there are several things here05:50
claudehi i have a problem with my pgp key on launchpad05:51
lifelessthe first thing is that we wrote a replacement for listdir in python, it takes 157 ms to yield all the entries of a tree with 10K file in pre-order (return all the entries of dir A before the contents of directories under A, but finish all the children of A before doing siblings of A)05:51
lifelessos.walk on that tree taks 220ms05:52
SteveAclaude: hello.  what is the problem?05:52
lifelessthe differences between that routine which we call walkdirs and os.walk is that it stats once and only once, grouping files of a dir with the dir, and is stack based not recursive.05:52
claudeSteveA: hi, the initial expiration date is over 05:52
claudeit's not the case anymore05:53
claudebut Laucnhpad doesn't take into account the new expiration date05:53
lifelessSteveA: taking walkdirs and replacing its use of listdirs with my read_dir wrapper drops the time from 157 to 77ms. os.walk would probably also get a win from readdir.05:53
claudehttps://launchpad.net/people/paroz/+editpgpkeys05:54
SteveAclaude: would you file a support request on this please?  https://launchpad.net/products/launchpad/+addticket05:55
SteveAclaude: then people who can look into this for you will be able to do so.05:55
claudeSteveA: ok05:55
SteveAclaude: include all the details you can think of that are relevant05:56
SteveAlifeless: would the distributed bzr binary package have a pyrex dependency?  or would it all be compiled into C by then?05:56
lifelessthe binary paackage would have no new deps.05:56
lifelessthe source package will have a .py file that gives the 157ms performance05:57
SteveA.py ?05:57
SteveAnot .pyrex?05:57
lifeless.py05:57
lifelesswe would ship the following files:05:58
SteveAi see05:58
SteveAyou have a .py with single-stating05:58
lifeless.h - a header for the C version.05:58
lifeless.py - a wrapper if the C extension is not appropriate on a platform/not built05:58
lifeless.pyx - the pyrex source.05:58
lifeless.c - the output of pyrex, which allows building by users/developers who dont have pyrex.05:59
lifelessthat is all05:59
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matsubara:w06:02
SteveAmatsubara: hi.  claude is adding a support request about a problem with gpg key expiration in launchpad.06:03
matsubaraSteveA: ok, I'll take a look.06:04
SteveAlifeless: that all sounds fine to me.  the problem i've seen in the past with parallel python and C or C-ish implementations is when the tests are not run twice with each implementation.  06:04
SteveAthen the C version gets developed and the python one rots away06:04
claudematsubara; just done, ticket 102006:05
lifelessSteveA: indeed. Doingn interface testing on them is already implemented the 'cheap way' - make check on pqm will run on python only then build the extension, then run again.06:05
SteveAnice06:05
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licioin my launchpad home, show the Ubuntero is Not yet, but I signed the code of conduct06:12
matsubaralicio: bug 4899506:12
UbugtuMalone bug 48995 in launchpad "People who have signed the Code of Conduct are now listed as not being Ubunteros." [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/4899506:12
liciomatsubara, thanx06:12
kikomatsubara, is this a regression from your changes to CoC 1.0.1?06:14
matsubarakiko: I think it's related06:15
salgadoit definitely is!06:16
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kiko#@!$!!! FRIGGIN COWBOYS06:17
kikois this damned thing not tested ffs?06:17
matsubarakiko: apparently the ubuntero flasg isn't tested.06:18
kikohow surprising06:19
lifelessdinnerish time... kiko do you need anything from me ?06:27
lifelessif not I might wander off to eat and ponder and stuff06:27
kikolifeless, mmmm not that I can recall right now06:27
lifelessbtw, what do you think of bzr using pyrex?06:27
lifeless(for single functions, carefully selected)06:28
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kikolifeless, what's wrong with wrapping manually?06:31
lifelesspotentially nothing. pyrex seems very nice though, easier to do the wrapping.06:31
kikowhat sort of things are you seeing to move to C?06:32
kikoI mean, is it an algorithm which is slow in python? or data structure access? or..06:32
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lifelessin this case its access to an os feature not exposed by python.06:33
bradbkiko: this seems to work: https://chinstrap.ubuntu.com/~dsilvers/paste/filepajAoc.html06:36
bradbthe bugwatch stuff looks right to me, BjornT's test passes, and my tests pass.06:36
carlosBjornT: so, can I send a merge request after adding that extra test ?06:36
bradbless magical than i wanted to believe, but oh well06:36
BjornTcarlos: yeah06:37
carlosok, thanks06:38
sladencan somebody please re-send the signup request to 'vmware-builds@vmware.com' for the person 'vmware-build-team'.  They now have the email alias set up06:39
sladen^^probably needs an admin to do it06:40
salgadosladen, If I got it right, they tried to register a new account but the email address they used wasn't reachable?06:40
salgadosladen, btw, shouldn't this be Launchpad team, created using https://launchpad.net/people/+newteam?06:42
sladensalgado: it should really be a 'role'06:43
sladensalgado: yes.  The account was registered manually the night before dapper release and the email address was not setup ten06:44
sladenthen06:44
sladenso never got the confirmation request.  As such the account is 'in limbo'06:44
sladensalgado: I've just had a message from the person at vmware that the alias now actually goes to an internal mailing list for thenm06:45
salgadowell, the account doesn't exist, in fact. that's why somebody has to go to launchpad.net/+login, type this email address there and submit. I can do that, but a person whose name is vmware-builds-team doesn't sound quite right to me06:46
salgadoanyway, they can easily change this later, if they want. (both the email and the name)06:47
salgadosladen, maybe you could ask the vmware person sign up (https://launchpad.net/+login) again? (It's one page load and one email address to type, so it shouldn't be a problem, I think)06:51
sladensalgado: that account already has package uploads assocaited with it06:53
sladenI've tried sticking it into the +forgottenpassword page and that says it's sent a request06:54
salgadoah, I see06:55
salgadoso, that account was automatically created06:55
salgadosladen, yes, the +forgottenpassword page should do it, in this case06:55
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powerrs.a trke bilen varm 06:57
powerryou have free linux cd07:00
bradbkiko-fud: can i merge my Importance patch?07:05
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carlossee you later07:14
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sfllawHey!07:27
sfllawLaunchpad is sending messages that have lines that start with "From:"07:27
KinnisonSo?07:27
KinnisonIt's only "From " which causes issues07:27
sfllawOy.  You're right.07:28
sfllawMy bad.07:28
matsubarahey mpt07:29
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kiko-fudI just called07:47
kiko-fudto say07:47
kiko-fudI LOVE YOU07:47
kikoman do I love having lunch07:48
ddaabradb: the coloured bug icons for importance are pretty07:56
ddaaI like them07:56
ddaaWow daily language packs!08:07
ddaaThat's serious love!08:07
ddaacarlos: congrats!08:07
LarstiQooh08:12
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bradbkiko: Can I merge my patch?08:18
kikobradb, one sec08:18
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kikobradb, does self.fieldNames need to be set before doing the widget setup in _setUpWidgets? if not, I'd move it to after that if clause to make the code clearer.08:42
kikobradb, you can also remove the comment:08:43
kiko           # Don't edit self.fieldNames directly, because it's shared by all08:43
kiko            # BugTaskEditView instances.08:43
kikoyou can say "# Start out with default fieldNames" if you like though08:43
kiko                    read_only_field_names.append("importance")08:44
kikobradb, that line has excessive indentation08:44
kiko                    editable_field_names.remove("importance")08:44
kikoas well08:44
kikor=kiko with that08:44
kikothere is a better way of refactoring that08:44
kikomaybe08:44
kikobut not right now08:45
kikonice work08:45
bradbkiko: thanks. /me makes some tweaks08:46
bradbIs the bzr optimization work -updates worthy?09:05
LarstiQthere is more optimization work in the pipeline09:07
LarstiQso I'd wait with that unless there is something that really hurts you?09:08
bradbnothing that really hurts, I was just curious if dapper users would get a chance to see it go even faster09:10
lifelesswe'll put 1.0 into dapper09:10
lifelesswe may put 0.9 and other inbetween versions into dapper09:10
bradbnice09:10
jordimdke: so you saw pitti's announcement.09:16
jordimdke: I wanted to discuss with you how to document this official policy09:16
jordiie, that from now on langpacks fro hoary, breezy, dapper will be available on the 1st monday of each month09:17
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sivangre09:27
sivangam I never allowed to edit a spec someone else registered?09:27
sivanghttps://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/laptop-video-output-control/09:27
sivangI want to suggest myself as the drafter if it will be discussed09:27
sivangbut seems I cannot do that.09:28
jordinot sure sivan09:30
mptGoooooooooooooooooooood afternoon Launchpadders!09:30
mptIt's a lovely afternoon here in the Garden State09:30
sivangyo mpt 09:32
sivangmpt: where is that ? :)09:32
matsubarasivang: you could use the Request feedback feature to ask the guy who registerd to add you as the drafter.09:33
sivangmatsubara: so I can only make changes or add myself as a drafter for specs I registered?09:34
matsubarasivang: not really.09:36
matsubarasivang: once you're assigned as a drafter you would be able to edit that spec09:36
sivangmatsubara: so what's the default is now? who else is allowed to edit a spec after the registrant has registered it?09:48
matsubarasivang: everyone who is somewhat related to the spec.09:49
sivangmatsubara: ah, cool, thanks.09:49
mdkejordi: right. what thoughts do you have?10:02
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neutrinomassI just tried searching with "oldest" and I get newest bugs first. The opposite with "newest". Should I file a bug ?10:35
matsubaraneutrinomass: known bug10:36
torthoit's been like that for some days, and ill think they know10:36
neutrinomassmatsubara: Ok, thanks.10:36
matsubarabug 4878410:36
UbugtuMalone bug 48784 in malone "newest and oldest searches are reversed" [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/4878410:36
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sivanghave a nice weekend all, laters.10:57
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ajmitchmpt: off visiting foreign lands again11:04
ajmitch?11:04
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mptajmitch, yep11:40
mptsivang, New Jersey11:40
mptsivang, are you still planning to implement the Backup tool for Edgy?11:40
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sivangmpt: this time with a gang behind me hopefully :)11:51
sivangmpt: there's mostly infrastructure work - dar pyndingd, creating dispather for desktop notificiations etc.11:52
sivangmpt: anywya, I'm singing off for the weekend , can we continue this next week? :)11:53
sivangmpt: (oh also incorporating the new proposed GUI by glatztor)11:54
sivangmpt: which I would be keen on seeing feedback from you on it </hint>11:54
sivang;-)11:54
sivangmpt: anyway, catch you later.11:55
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mptsivang, ok, I'll finish writing a design spec so you can tell me whether it's useful and whether the gang could finish it before September :-)12:05

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