[12:05] <dan_young> take a look at this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LTSPServerSetup
[12:06] <dan_young> should still apply to dapper, though it refers to 5.10
[12:06] <pygi> dan_young, we got a cookbook now
[12:06] <pygi> remember?
[12:06] <francoisb> For my ltsp server problem : I had a look in /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf but there is only commented lines
[12:07] <pygi> wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToCookEdubuntu/Chapters
[12:08] <dan_young> yeah, I said in my e-mail to the list that it's supposed to be done on install, and the question about dhcpd.conf configuration wasn't in the cookbook, so.... I punted.
[12:11] <francoisb> The /etc/lstp/dhcpd.conf seems ok
[12:15] <francoisb> I'll read those articles, and try... Have a good day (good night for myself).
[12:15] <Burgwork> Amaranth, see my latest blog post
[12:16] <Amaranth> Burgwork: That's what I was refering to.
[12:16] <Amaranth> Burgwork: It's better in this case to just start from scratch.
[12:16] <Burgwork> Amaranth, see the part about having them join us for the NG versioni
[12:16] <thedarkener> what's up guys
[12:17] <Burgwork> Amaranth, would it also not be saner to refactor existing code?
[12:18] <lns> What are the upgrade steps to upgrade a Dapper Flight-5 or 6 install to 6.06 LTS?
[12:18] <pygi> Burgwork, what are you guys talking about?
[12:18] <Amaranth> Burgwork: Maybe.
[12:18] <pygi> lns, sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[12:18] <Burgwork> pygi, system config tools in Ubuntu, etc.
[12:18] <Burgwork> pygi, see planet.ubuntu
[12:18] <Amaranth> Burgwork: Last time I looked at fedora tools it was to see if we could use their boot manager instead of BUM
[12:19] <Amaranth> it had a lot of fedora specific stuff but after an hour i think i managed to get the UI to at least come up
[12:19] <lns> pygi, thanks =) then how about rebuilding the ltsp client tree?
[12:20] <pygi> lns, ergh, forgot that one :-/
[12:20] <Amaranth> I wonder if edgy's libc6 will still break my system
[12:20] <pygi> rebuild-ssh-keys or something along that lines :-/
[12:20] <pygi> Burgwork, what post am I supposed to read? :)
[12:20] <Burgwork> pygi, both of mine
[12:20] <Burgwork> pygi, and the one by thom
[12:21] <sbartleylinux> Well, thank you all for your pointers and help.  I will follow up with gnome-session and the ubuntu-desktop group to see what I can get done. 
[12:21] <sbartleylinux> pygi: thx again.  I will use your solution if we cant make progress. ttyl
[12:21] <pygi> sbartleylinux, laters
[12:22] <pygi> Burgwork, continue the effort of Yast on debian :)
[12:23] <Burgwork> pygi, uhh, yast looks to be a big huge codebase without much love
[12:23] <Amaranth> it's 100F (38C) here
[12:23] <pygi> Burgwork, actually the core was rewritten to work on Debian
[12:23] <pygi> now only modules need to be written
[12:25] <Amaranth> anyone in alaska with a spare couch? :)
[12:25] <Burgwork> Amaranth, pretty cool here
[12:25] <Burgwork> pygi, I still see one giant code base
[12:26] <pygi> Burgwork, indeed :P
[12:45] <pygi> laters a;;
[12:45] <pygi> all*
[01:56] <tony_> Are there any resources to help troubleshoot (thin client) local device support?
[02:50] <bddebian> Howdy
[03:01] <Ron_o> I d/l edubuntu, md5sum'd it. I burnt the iso md5sum's the cd burn... when I run edubuntu, after the initial check of options, the thing just hangs..
[03:01] <Ron_o> I see a blinking cursor and that's it.
[03:01] <Ron_o> anyone?
[04:05] <jsgotangco> good morning
[04:13] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco: can you answer that guy Keith on edubuntu-users?
[04:13] <jsgotangco> hmmm
[04:14] <jsgotangco> i'll dig up my mails
[04:14] <jsgotangco> "Keith & Marge"
[04:14] <jsgotangco> ?
[04:15] <Burgundavia> yep
[04:16] <jsgotangco> what can I say i have an old gateway P3 laptop where ubuntu is installable but won't load hardware drivers on boot and have me perplexed as well but windows works
[10:38] <arthur_> Hi everybody, pretty quite here, saturday morning effect?
[10:39] <arthur_> I just hosed my Edubuntu/Breezy install by upgrading to Dapper... :(
[10:39] <arthur_> Has anybody experienced the same?
[10:40] <arthur_> I think it's the xserver as the graphic interface fails when starting gdm 
[10:40] <arthur_> Besides that it still uses the old kernel 2.6.12
[10:41] <arthur_> Any ideas/suggestions as how to fix this problem?
[11:41] <DanielC> Is there a reason why boot up might fail if /boot is in a RAID-1 partition?
[12:21] <RobinShepheard> hello all
[12:21] <pygi> hey RobinShepheard 
[12:22] <RobinShepheard> hiya pygi, hows it going
[12:22] <pygi> great, fixing bugs :)
[12:22] <pygi> what about you?
[12:22] <RobinShepheard> sounds like fun :), I am trying to learn python as we speak, so maybe one day I can be useful with stuff like that
[12:23] <pygi> it's bugs in C# application ;)
[12:23] <RobinShepheard> show off :)
[12:23] <RobinShepheard> I suppose I could possibly learn c/c++
[12:24] <RobinShepheard> how much of ubuntu is actually done in python??
[12:24] <pygi> RobinShepheard, can't say in percentages ;)
[12:25] <RobinShepheard> wel how about generals like a bit, a fair bit or lots ;)
[12:25] <RobinShepheard> *well
[12:32] <pygi> RobinShepheard, why you wanna become member of  cooks?
[12:33] <RobinShepheard> well, I have been talking to cbx33 about how to do things, and figure maybe I can help with it a bit
[12:34] <juliux> hi highvoltage 
[12:34] <RobinShepheard> I am installing edubuntu in a stockbrokers to provide thin client access to our systems including the citrix published apps
[12:34] <RobinShepheard> and it will be distributed over 6 offices
[12:34] <RobinShepheard> just thought I may be able to lend a bit of experience. why??
[12:35] <pygi> RobinShepheard, ok, will you come to the cookbook meeting?
[12:35] <pygi> RobinShepheard, 'cause I just got request to approve you ;)
[12:36] <pygi> mornin' highvoltage ;)
[12:36] <highvoltage> afternoon pygi!
[12:36] <highvoltage> hi juliux 
[12:36] <pygi> highvoltage, oh, afternoon ;)
[12:36] <RobinShepheard> pygi: yeah bit of a stupid question when I looked at the owner, sorry :)
[12:37] <RobinShepheard> I got no probs with being at the meeting on wednesday
[12:37] <juliux> highvoltage, how are you?
[12:37] <pygi> RobinShepheard, ok, acceptance will be discussed there ;)
[12:37] <RobinShepheard> highvoltage: greetings
[12:37] <pygi> highvoltage, have you seen what they did to me? :P
[12:37] <highvoltage> RobinShepheard: greetings :)
[12:38] <highvoltage> pygi: no. who was that? should i beat them up? ;)
[12:38] <RobinShepheard> pygi: no problems with me attending then is there???
[12:38] <pygi> RobinShepheard, no, ofcourse, everyone is willing to come :)
[12:38] <pygi> highvoltage, http://wasabiflux.org:8080/ircstats/summer-discuss.html
[12:38] <RobinShepheard> cool, cheers
[12:38] <pygi> search for "pygi" :)
[12:38] <highvoltage> juliux: doing well. busy cleaning room. i have lots of things that need sorting out (more than i thought)
[12:38] <juliux> highvoltage, hehe 
[12:39] <juliux> highvoltage, i am waiting for the packages i should install on my server
[12:39] <juliux> highvoltage, i have only internet access at the weekend
[12:40] <highvoltage> great. i'm logging into that machine right now
[12:40] <RobinShepheard> guess they are saying you talk a lot ;-) pygi
[12:40] <juliux> highvoltage, ok
[12:40] <pygi> RobinShepheard, not that :) Look at second one :P
[12:41] <RobinShepheard> pygi: ok so you are cheerful and talkative 
[12:41] <juliux> where are the notes from the laste edubuntu meeting?
[12:42] <highvoltage> pygi brings happiness to the world. 42.9% lines contained smiling faces. :) 
[12:43] <pygi> highvoltage, yes, that one :P
[12:43] <DanielC> Who is responsible for the menus in Ubuntu? There should be a menu entry for "OpenOffice Draw" and if they want to remove something they should remove "OpenOffice Database".
[12:43] <DanielC> more people use Draw than the database.
[12:43] <DanielC> Especially in a school environment.
[12:43] <pygi> DanielC, you have Alacarte ;)
[12:44] <DanielC> pygi: Yes, I know I can change it :)
[12:44] <pygi> DanielC, nice :P
[12:45] <highvoltage> juliux: in my home directory, there's a mysql db directory called knab, could you get that into mysql and create a user for me that has access to that db?
[12:45] <juliux> highvoltage, i can try it
[12:45] <juliux> highvoltage, i will create you an user so you can add the mysql db yourself
[01:31] <RobinShepheard> Silly question but can anyone tell me how the edubuntu project came about, was it Mark Shuttleworth who started it, it did ti
[01:31] <RobinShepheard> doh or did it evolve
[01:34] <highvoltage> RobinShepheard: yes, Mark Shuttlewerth's idea
[01:34] <highvoltage> RobinShepheard: he's been investing in all kinds of education projects for a while
[01:34] <highvoltage> (see http://www.shuttleworthfoundation.org)
[01:35] <RobinShepheard> cheers
[01:35] <DanielC> Hmmm.... would it be a good idea to use RAID-0 for swap? It'd be interesting to have swap that is twice as fast as ordinary swap.
[01:35] <highvoltage> i would say that it did evolve too
[01:35] <highvoltage> it's an extention on ubuntu.
[01:36] <highvoltage> DanielC: if you create two swap partitions, the kernel will automatically span them, and use both
[01:36] <lucasvo> DanielC: I think buying more memory would be more effective
[01:36] <highvoltage> DanielC: so there's never a benefit to putting swap on raid
[01:36] <highvoltage> DanielC: just creating two swap partitions on seperate disks will give you maximum benefit
[01:37] <DanielC> highvoltage: That's very interesting. Thanks, Iearnt something today.
[01:37] <highvoltage> DanielC: :)
[01:37] <RobinShepheard> highvoltage: I did wonder whether it was a case of ubuntu does this, what can we use it for of whether it was lets adapt ubuntu for schools
[01:37] <highvoltage> RobinShepheard: no, it wasn't that
[01:38] <highvoltage> RobinShepheard: in parrallel, we also did the tuxlab project
[01:38] <RobinShepheard> yeah i saw a bit about that on your website
[01:38] <highvoltage> we used k12ltsp and Mark did as us what ubuntu would need for us to use it in schools.
[01:38] <highvoltage> i think he had an 'educational' ubuntu edition on his mind for a long time, possibly before ubuntu even existed.
[01:39] <RobinShepheard> well I have to say that I cant think of a better use for linux than for furthering education, and that is one place where saving money on things like licenses REALLy makes a difference
[01:41] <RobinShepheard> I tried to persuade my old school to move to linux about 7 years ago but they we tied into a contract with research machines that was organised by the british education department
[01:41] <RobinShepheard> that is now coming to an end so I hope I can now persuade them of the benefits of FLOSS
[01:42] <highvoltage> yep. i think it's become much easier now than 7 years ago. the technology has also come a long way.
[01:45] <RobinShepheard> agreed, the mention of linux in the mainstream media should also help as now more people have heard of it, it doesn't sound such an obscure proposistion
[01:45] <RobinShepheard> *proposition even
[02:15] <RobinShepheard> DanielC: are you still there
[02:25] <DanielC> back
[02:25] <DanielC> I was away for a while. Hello.
[02:28] <RobinShepheard> hiya, did adding the lines to modules work??
[02:28] <DanielC> yes it did :)
[02:28] <RobinShepheard> cool, I just wanted to check,as although it hasn't happened to me yet, you never know
[02:29] <DanielC> Thanks for the help.
[02:29] <RobinShepheard> no problem
[02:29] <RobinShepheard> DanielC: where in the uk are you??
[02:31] <DanielC> Tamworth, near Birmingham.
[02:32] <RobinShepheard> ahh other end of the country from me, I am in bournemouth
[02:33] <DanielC> I'm not "from" the UK,so I don't really know where places are.
[02:33] <RobinShepheard> I just wondered as cbx33 is from southampton, wondered if you were nearby as maybe we could all get together for a few beers.
[02:34] <DanielC> :)
[02:34] <RobinShepheard> Bournemouth is on the south coast
[02:34] <DanielC> If I'm ever in the area I'd be happy to meet and chat.
[02:34] <DanielC> Ok, I see it on the map.
[02:35] <RobinShepheard> you will be welcome if you do make it down this part of the country
[02:35] <DanielC> :)
[02:35] <RobinShepheard> where are you from originally then??
[02:35] <DanielC> I've travelled around a fair bit :)
[02:36] <DanielC> I was born in Venezuela. Move to Canada, the to the USA.
[02:36] <RobinShepheard> blimey, just a few places then
[02:36] <DanielC> "moved to Canada, then to the USA"
[02:36] <DanielC> Been to Hong Kong.
[02:36] <DanielC> I've spent most of my life in Venezuela and Canada.
[02:36] <RobinShepheard> that is somewhere I have always wanted to go to, Hong Kong that is
[02:37] <DanielC> Hong Kong is interesting. It's great to be there for a while, but I wouldn't want to live there permanently. It's too crowded.
[02:37] <RobinShepheard> Canada must be just a bit different to Venezuela I would think
[02:38] <DanielC> Yes it is.
[02:38] <RobinShepheard> my cousin said something very similar when he visited Hong Kong
[02:39] <RobinShepheard> so are you working in a school here in blighty??? I guess you must be from past questions
[02:39] <DanielC> I work for a small computer company that serves schools.
[02:40] <DanielC> I do mostly PHP/MySQL but we want to do Linux thin client installations and I'm the person here who knows most about Linux.
[02:40] <RobinShepheard> ahh I got you. I wondered as I actually work for a stockbrokers but I want to encourage local schools to use Edubuntu and I am sort of looking for pointers as to what things really matter
[02:41] <RobinShepheard> I am trying to work out what are the most persuasive points apart from lots of dosh saved
[02:42] <DanielC> I've only done one thin client install so far. We went to a local school who are friends with us and said to them that we'd install it for free if they'd let us experiment with them.
[02:43] <DanielC> In my very limited experience, it helps if you already have a relationship with the school. In our case, these are schools that are already customers and already like us, so they'll listen to us.
[02:43] <DanielC> For someone without that, it would be more difficult. I don't know what to suggest.
[02:44] <DanielC> I don't do the sales myself. I don't know the schools market well, and I'm not the most eloquent person.
[02:45] <DanielC> Schools often have old computers that they are ready to throw out. You can tell them "let me try to reuse those as thin clients and I'll do the work for free; if it works you get another computer lab, if it doesn't you've lost nothing".
[02:45] <DanielC> That's what we're doing with the first few schools, and we have two schools interested already.
[02:46] <RobinShepheard> cool, I was going to start with the school I used to go to as I still see some of the teachers from time to time and thought it would be best to start like that
[02:46] <DanielC> It's easier to sell them a small trial than a migration.
[02:46] <RobinShepheard> yeah I htought that I would start small and then work up from there
[02:46] <DanielC> That sounds like a good idea. If you know the people they're more likely to listen.
[02:47] <RobinShepheard> that was my thinking
[02:47] <DanielC> I'll tell you right now that schools are a fabulously complex environments. You have many users, many applications, users don't have dedicated boxes, and many of the users are actively trying to hack the system.
[02:47] <RobinShepheard> I don' really fancy the idea of a full scale mass migration of all fo their systems on my own, but as you said I could easily set up a labor twn on my own
[02:48] <RobinShepheard> *dont
[02:48] <RobinShepheard> yeah, I remember what I was like at school, dont worry
[02:48] <DanielC> :)
[02:49] <RobinShepheard> my typing has gone right down hill, was also supposed to say lab or two
[02:49] <DanielC> heh
[02:49] <RobinShepheard> worrying thing is I haven't even been drinking
[02:50] <DanielC> Typing accuracy is over-rated.
[02:50] <DanielC> Let me know how it goes with the school.
[02:51] <DanielC> My limited experience says that sound is a problem. Last I checked, you couldn't get sound on thin clients and a lot of the things that teachers want to do involve sound.
[02:51] <RobinShepheard> lol, until you have to declare variables. No problem I will do, thanks for the advice
[02:52] <DanielC> That's what the head teacher told me last Thursday.
[02:52] <RobinShepheard> ahhh I thought that you were supposed to be able to get sound. I will check as some of our users will want sound for their price alerts
[02:52] <RobinShepheard> I will let you know how I get on with that aswell
[02:54] <DanielC> I think sound might be fixed on 6.06. http://www.edubuntu.org/news/5 says " We've added the option for sound support on thin clients."
[02:54] <DanielC> I hope it works as advertised.
[02:54] <RobinShepheard> that was what I thought, but I have yet to test it
[02:54] <RobinShepheard> probably will do on monday or tuesday next week
[02:55] <DanielC> It also says here that "LTSP clients now enjoy a themed graphical login manager.". That would be nice too. None of the teachers complained about the old one, but I thought it was really ugly.
[02:59] <RobinShepheard> I have only seen the login of dapper, I used ubuntu as version breezy but no edubuntu
[03:00] <RobinShepheard> *not
[03:03] <DanielC> Hard to explain. It didn't use GDM. It had a custom login program that looked like it was written with Tcl/Tk. And the background was black.
[03:07] <RobinShepheard> The logon on the dapper desktop looks very similar to the standard logon in ubuntu or the workstation edubuntu
[03:08] <RobinShepheard> jsgotangco: hiya
[03:08] <DanielC> The logon for _thin_clients_ used to be different (not gdm). I hope that's changed.
[03:09] <RobinShepheard> it is now ldm, I don't know whether it is a custom manager or a modified existing one
[03:10] <RobinShepheard> jsgotangco: just a quick one about the gettingstarted page
[03:11] <RobinShepheard> the image of the run application dialog box still shows the wrong path for the file talked about in the paragraphs either side of it
[03:12] <jsgotangco> RobinShepheard: hi
[03:13] <RobinShepheard> jsgotangco: sorry to ambush you like this, but thought I had better point it out
[03:14] <jsgotangco> you mean the lts.conf?
[03:14] <RobinShepheard> jsgotangco: paragraphs are talking about dhcpd.conf and the dailog box is ltsp.conf
[03:14] <RobinShepheard> *dialog
[03:14] <jsgotangco> yeah that's an error
[03:15] <RobinShepheard> I thought that it might be, just thought I would mention it that was all
[03:15] <jsgotangco> RobinShepheard: unfortunately, i don't have a server here at the moment to change that, and its Jonathan who created that doc
[03:15] <RobinShepheard> ahh ok I got you
[03:16] <RobinShepheard> I guess I should have said something to him when he was around earlier
[03:16] <jsgotangco> good spotting though
[03:16] <RobinShepheard> what can I say, I am a bit picky :)
[03:16] <jsgotangco> funny we've had that doc for ages and even ogra and me read it
[03:17] <RobinShepheard> well I sort of skim read most things so I tried the path in the piccy before reading the text properly, and when it didn't work I thought I had better read it proplerly
[03:17] <RobinShepheard> *properly
[03:18] <RobinShepheard> If you need proof reading done, drop me a line by email or via here and I would be happy to do it
[03:18] <jsgotangco> thanks it should be replaced, unfortunately, we're currently in a lull after release; it should pick up just after the paris conf
[03:19] <RobinShepheard> My english may not be perfect, but I do notice most things
[03:19] <RobinShepheard> no worries
[03:19] <jsgotangco> heh english isn't my native language =)
[03:20] <RobinShepheard> I wish I was able to come to paris, unfortunately I have joined a bit too late to arrange the time off work, or the cash to pay for it for that matter
[03:20] <jsgotangco> you never know, we might have another edubuntu summit soon
[03:21] <RobinShepheard> English is SUPPOSED to be mine, but I can't say I speak it as well as a lot of none UK residents :)
[03:21] <RobinShepheard> I hope there is another one, even if it is just to celebrate a birthday or something
[03:22] <RobinShepheard> I learn't quite a lot about english grammer from some hungarian friends of mine
[03:22] <RobinShepheard> *learnt even
[03:22] <jsgotangco> wow
[03:22] <RobinShepheard> ??
[03:23] <jsgotangco> heh sorry i was looking at digg
[03:23] <RobinShepheard> ok so was the wow aimed at digg??
[03:24] <jsgotangco> yeah sorry
[03:24] <jsgotangco> so yeah...there was an edubuntu summit in london last year...
[03:25] <RobinShepheard> so I am about a year to late in joining the project then :)
[03:26] <jsgotangco> lol it is never too late to join a free software project =)
[03:27] <RobinShepheard> fair point, especially one where so many people can benefit
[03:28] <RobinShepheard> actually I think it is a bit late to join the ethereal project
[03:28] <RobinShepheard> but I can't think of any others
[03:28] <jsgotangco> haha there are some pretty well established projects already =)
[03:28] <jsgotangco> but usually desktop projects like GNOME are very much open
[03:29] <RobinShepheard> yeah, only problem I have at the moment is that most of those seem to be written in c and I am not very good with c at the mo
[03:30] <jsgotangco> not at all, some exciting projects like pessulus are complete python apps
[03:30] <jsgotangco> as well as what we have for ltsp manager and student control panel
[03:31] <RobinShepheard> well I am trying to learn python at the moment so hopefully I can be useful soon
[03:31] <RobinShepheard> I am working my way through the OReilly book learn python on the safari bookshelf
[03:32] <jsgotangco> well you can also contribute into various stuff like documentation and the website for instance
[03:35] <RobinShepheard> I have applied for membership of the cookbook, advocacy and I think I applied for the documentation teams for edubuntu today
[03:35] <jsgotangco> ahhh
[03:36] <RobinShepheard> I guess I just find the idea of programming a bit more interesting in some ways
[03:36] <RobinShepheard> pity I am not really a programmer
[03:42] <jsgotangco> well i gotta go
[03:42] <jsgotangco> should be sleeping early
[03:43] <jsgotangco> have a good weekend
[04:06] <bddebian> Hello
[04:13] <RobinShepheard> hiya bddebian
[04:14] <bddebian> Hello RobinShepheard
[04:15] <RobinShepheard> how are you doing??
[04:17] <bddebian> OK, thanks.  Yourself?
[04:17] <DanielC> My edubuntu server can't connect to the local network via DHCP. I don't know what to do. /etc/network/interfaces has the lines "auto eth0" and "iface eth0 inet dhcp".
[04:18] <DanielC> When I run /etc/init.d/networking restart I get several 'DHCPDISCOVER' lines, then it says 'No DHCPOFFERS received' and quits.
[04:19] <DanielC> Indeed, I can't ping other computers in the network (ping 192.168.0.12 gives "Host unreachable").
[04:19] <DanielC> I've always been baffled by networking under Linux (not that I know it under any other OS).
[04:22] <RobinShepheard> bddebian: yeah not too bad, it is a lovely day here
[04:23] <RobinShepheard> DanielC: Don't take this the wrong way, you do have another dhcp server up and running on the same lan??
[04:24] <DanielC> RobinShepheard: Yes. And I have to make it work in that setup.
[04:24] <RobinShepheard> DanielC: can other machines boot and get an address from it??
[04:24] <DanielC> Though I would be eager to at least understand how two DHCP servers conflict in this case.
[04:24] <DanielC> Yes, I'm using it on my desktop right now.
[04:24] <RobinShepheard> DanielC: they can both end up giving out the same address
[04:25] <DanielC> I connected my laptop to the same cable that was going to Edubuntu and the laptop has no problems.
[04:25] <DanielC> It should be possible to set one to give out 192.168.0.x addresses and the other to give 192.168.1.x addresses, right?
[04:26] <bddebian> On the same machine?
[04:26] <RobinShepheard> will it work if you set it up with the networking utility in gnome
[04:26] <DanielC> No.
[04:26] <DanielC> Suppose I have a Windows network with a windows server giving out DHCP addresses and serving as a gateway (in this case this is just a router).
[04:27] <DanielC> I need to connect the Edubuntu server to the gateway from eth0 and get Edubuntu serving DHCP on the eht1.
[04:27] <RobinShepheard> DanielC: If yu specified which mac addresses each server assigned to you would have no problems but if not you would have a 50/50 chance as to which ip range yu got
[04:27] <DanielC> Then the thin clients would connect to eth1.
[04:28] <bddebian> If you are using the 255.255.255.0 subnet mask you can't do it effectively unless you are using different interfaces on the "gateway"
[04:28] <DanielC> I must admit I don't know what a mac address is.
[04:28] <RobinShepheard> DanielC: so you need to setup a dhcp server to run on the edubuntu box and just listen to eth1 yeah
[04:30] <bddebian> Is this all on the same physical cabling?
[04:30] <DanielC> I don't understand networking as well as I wish I did. It's a bit of a low point for me.
[04:30] <RobinShepheard> if the clients are only connecting to eth1 on the Edubuntu server, you will need to run a dhcp server on the Edubuntu server so they can get an address
[04:30] <DanielC> bddebian: internet --> router ---> Edubuntu ---> thin clients.
[04:31] <RobinShepheard> where are you other dhcp server in the map??
[04:32] <DanielC> bddebian: The idea is that the Edubuntu server will *get* a DHCP address from eht0 and *give* DHCP addresses on eth1 and the thin clients will connect to eth1 only.
[04:32] <bddebian> Ahhh, OK
[04:32] <DanielC> RobinShepheard: The router serves DHCP addresses.
[04:32] <bddebian> So you have eht0 on the Edubuntu server to use DHCP right?
[04:33] <DanielC> We have other computes connected to the router as well. When I take this box to the school there will be a Windows server giving out DHCP.
[04:33] <RobinShepheard> ok, I got you. you have installed dhcp-client on the edubuntu server
[04:33] <DanielC> RobinShepheard: I didn't know that it was a separate step. Give me a minute...
[04:34] <RobinShepheard> ok
[04:35] <RobinShepheard> DanielC: As far as I can gather, the edubuntu server doesn't come installed with the client as it is normally the dhcp server on the network
[04:35] <DanielC> Saus that there's no candidate for that package.
[04:35] <DanielC> s/Saus/Says
[04:35] <RobinShepheard> sorry dhcp3-client
[04:36] <DanielC> :)
[04:37] <DanielC> 'aptitude search dhcp3' says that it's already installed.
[04:37] <RobinShepheard> ok
[04:38] <DanielC> Probably because I started with a workstation install and later added 'edubuntu-server' (because the installer failed on the server install).
[04:39] <RobinShepheard> ahh I got you, if you type "ps aux | grep dhcp" what do you get ??
[04:40] <DanielC> says that /sbin/dhclient3 is running.
[04:41] <RobinShepheard> and it lists eth0 on the returned text
[04:42] <RobinShepheard> my results are:-
[04:42] <RobinShepheard> dhcp      5022  0.0  0.1   2336   776 ?        S<s  07:55   0:00 dhclient3 -pf /var/run/dhclient.eth0.pid -lf /var/lib/dhcp3/dhclient.eth0.leases eth0
[04:42] <RobinShepheard> dhcp     14007  0.0  0.2   2336  1132 ?        S    12:34   0:00 /sbin/dhclient -1 -lf /var/lib/dhcp3/dhclient.eth1.leases -pf /var/run/dhclient.eth1.pid -q -e dhc_dbus=31 -d eth1
[04:42] <RobinShepheard> robins   20052  0.0  0.1   2880   792 pts/1    R+   15:42   0:00 grep dhcp
[04:43] <DanielC> The ones I have look essentially the same.
[04:43] <RobinShepheard> ok,
[04:43] <RobinShepheard> I am going to have to think about this one
[04:43] <DanielC> Thanks. I'll keep fiddling about.
[04:44] <RobinShepheard> I can't think of anything off the top of my head
[04:44] <RobinShepheard> I have to go and pick up my fiancee from work, If you fix it, can you drop me an email
[04:45] <RobinShepheard> see you all later
[04:46] <DanielC> ttfn
[04:47] <RobinShepheard> ttfn is very tigger
[04:47] <RobinShepheard> bye
[09:09] <pygi> hey HedgeMage ;)
[09:09] <pygi> and highvoltage 'fcorse ;)
[09:10] <lucasvo> hi pygi 
[09:10] <pygi> hey lucasvo ;)
[09:13] <boricua> hi there quick questions on thin clients for edubuntu,  do you still need to install edubuntu on thin clients?
[09:15] <highvoltage> hey pygi :)
[09:15] <highvoltage> boricua: nope, it will get it from the server
[09:15] <boricua> highvoltage: i see thxs
[09:16] <highvoltage> np
[09:18] <boricua> highvoltage: i got confused with the diagram at http://www.edubuntu.org/GettingStarted  so the thin client is like  dumb terminal
[09:19] <boricua> highvoltage: after the map those applications that it needs to run are they on the server or the clients?
[09:19] <DanielC> boricua: Yes. Thin clients are essentially dumb terminals. All the need is an "etherboot" ROM. They don't even need a hard drive.
[09:20] <DanielC> boricua: Everything is on the server.
[09:20] <boricua> DanielC: is there a how to for the client setup and how to make it boot
[09:20] <DanielC> I have a thin client box next to me right now. It's 4 inches wide and 1 inch tall. It doesn't have a hard disk.
[09:21] <DanielC> This thin client box is just a cheap ARM CPU attached to an ethernet card.
[09:21] <boricua> DanielC: i know but it must connect to the serber some how
[09:21] <highvoltage> strictly speaking, they aren't dumb terminals... dumb terminals are computers that only send/receive plain text through serial ports
[09:21] <DanielC> boricua: Take a look at http://rom-o-matic.net/
[09:22] <highvoltage> but yes, in many ways, you can think of a thin client like a dumb terminal
[09:22] <DanielC> boricua: Do yo already have some computers that you want to use as thin clients?
[09:22] <highvoltage> with LTSP, it only displays the graphics from the server computer, it doesn't do any processing for the apllications locally.
[09:22] <boricua> DanielC: yes
[09:23] <highvoltage> DanielC: i don't think the ARM architechture it currently supported under edubuntu :/
[09:23] <DanielC> boricua: Ok. Go to rom-o-matic.net and click on the latest version (5.4.2).
[09:23] <boricua> DanielC: i am there now
[09:24] <DanielC> boricua: You'll need to know the make/chip of your ethernet cards.
[09:25] <boricua> DanielC: 00:0a.0 Ethernet controller: Linksys NC100 Network Everywhere Fast Ethernet 10/100 (rev 11)
[09:25] <DanielC> boricua: For testing, choose "Floppy bootable ROM image" on item 2.
[09:25] <DanielC> boricua: This will make a bootable floppy that you can put on the thin client.
[09:26] <DanielC> boricua: A bootable floopy is really useful for testing the thin clients. Once you know it works you can choose another option to either boot from a CDROM or the hard disk.
[09:26] <boricua> DanielC: what about #1 nic/rom
[09:27] <DanielC> highvoltage: Can you help me out here? I don't know what ROM boricua needs.
[09:29] <boricua> here is lspci of my card 00:0a.0 Ethernet controller: Linksys NC100 Network Everywhere Fast Ethernet 10/100 (rev 11)
[09:29] <DanielC> http://rom-o-matic.net/5.4.2/etherboot-5.4.2/src/bin/NIC
[09:30] <DanielC> on this page I only see two options that say "Linksys" so I'd say try them both and see which works.
[09:31] <highvoltage> my guess would be lc82c115
[09:31] <DanielC> "LNE100TX" might stand for "Linksys Network Everywehere" in which case you want "lc82c115"
[09:31] <highvoltage> but trying both is probably the best bet
[09:31] <DanielC> :-)
[09:31] <highvoltage> :)
[09:31] <boricua> DanielC: trying to figure out box 1  NIC/ROM
[09:31] <DanielC> Hmmm.... I can't find "lc82c115"
[09:32] <boricua> me neither
[09:32] <highvoltage> doesn't seem to be on the dropdown list :/
[09:32] <DanielC> Ok, the second page says "family drivers/net/tulip".
[09:32] <DanielC> Maybe we should be looking at the tulip* options?
[09:33] <DanielC> found it.
[09:33] <DanielC> tulip:lc82c115
[09:33] <boricua> i see it it starts with tulip
[09:33] <boricua> k
[09:34] <boricua> ok i have a file called eb-5.4.2-tulip.zdsk
[09:35] <DanielC> Ok. So now put a floppy on the drive and do:
[09:35] <DanielC> cat eb-5.4.2-tulip.zdsk > /dev/fd0
[09:35] <boricua> mmm let me see i have floppies :)  stand by
[09:35] <DanielC> You may need "sudo" for that, I'm not sure.
[09:38] <boricua> where does firefox put download files
[09:38] <DanielC> Try your home dir.
[09:39] <boricua> dont see it there thats why i ask:-)
[09:39] <DanielC> I have my firefox configured to ask me where I want to save, so I don't know.
[09:40] <DanielC> On Firefox: Edit > Preferences > Downloads > Ask me where to save every file.
[09:40] <highvoltage> by default in ~/Desktop, i think
[09:40] <boricua> i look there and dontn see it yet it shows in firefox/download pane
[09:41] <DanielC> Can't help you. I don't know.
[09:41] <boricua> let me look  hold on
[09:42] <boricua> it was there i was connected to anothert terminal   dumb   me
[09:44] <boricua> ok i put it in floopy
[09:44] <DanielC> Ok. That's a bootable floppy. If you just put it in the thin client you should be done with the thin client setup.
[09:45] <DanielC> If your server is configured correctly then the thin client should be able to boot from it now.
[09:47] <boricua> was the floopy suppose to be empty>
[09:47] <DanielC> What do you mean empty? No, it shouldn't be empty AFAIK.
[09:48] <mhz_shower> highvoltage: hry mon
[09:48] <boricua> i meant before i put the image there
[09:48] <mhz_shower> highvoltage: any news about edubuntu nesletter?
[09:48] <DanielC> boricua: I don't think it matters.
[09:48] <DanielC> boricua: That command should overwrite the entire floppy.
[09:52] <boricua> DanielC: when i try to mount the floppy it tells me to specify fs
[09:54] <DanielC> hmmm
[09:55] <DanielC> Oh, you are mounting it under Linux?
[09:55] <DanielC> Don't. Just boot from it.
[09:55] <boricua> ok
[09:55] <DanielC> Grab the box you want to be a thin client, put the floppy in, and reboot.
[09:55] <boricua> nothing happend
[09:55] <boricua> it took me to my mb
[09:55] <boricua> it took me to my mbr
[09:56] <DanielC> Check your BIOS settings and make sure it'll boot from the floppy
[09:56] <boricua> i did
[09:56] <DanielC> I don't know what to suggest. This should be a bootable floppy.
[09:57] <boricua> can i do that onto a cd?
[09:57] <boricua> i want to try booting from cd
[09:57] <DanielC> I don't know, I've never tried. Go ahead and try it.
[09:57] <boricua> trying
[09:58] <DanielC> One of the options says "ISO bootable"
[09:58] <DanielC> Two options say "ISO bootable".
[09:58] <DanielC> One of those ought to work. I don't know whether "legacy floppy emulation" is good or bad.
[09:59] <boricua> DanielC: i'll let you know
[10:00] <LaserJock> hi HedgeMage 
[10:01] <HedgeMage> hi LaserJock, how's life?
[10:01] <LaserJock> oh, it's going I suppose
[10:01] <LaserJock> trying to get things in order for Paris
[10:01] <LaserJock> gotta put in a sprinkler system in the back yard
[10:05] <HedgeMage> LaserJock: going to take pics and blog for me since I can't go?
[10:05] <highvoltage> hey mhz_shower. irc'ing from the shower?
[10:06] <highvoltage> mhz_shower: i don't think so, if i understand you correctly
[10:06] <LaserJock> HedgeMage: I will certainly try
[10:06] <HedgeMage> yay :)
[10:07] <LaserJock> but I must warn you, I'm not good about taking pictures or blogging
[10:08] <pygi> hey Burgundavia 
[10:08] <Burgundavia> hey pygi
[10:13] <highvoltage> hi there Burgundavia 
[10:13] <highvoltage> python biggot :)
[10:13] <Burgundavia> highvoltage: I try
[10:14] <highvoltage> lol
[10:14] <highvoltage> wow people can get themselves worked up hey
[10:15] <boricua> DanielC: ok i see whaqt it does i guess i have not configured the server yet 
[10:16] <boricua> it gets an ip /gateway etc but it fails at the end with no filename
[10:17] <boricua> DanielC: it says boot from network or quit 
[10:17] <boricua> DanielC: that client is connected to linksys routers does it need to be connected to another router
[10:18] <LaserJock> highvoltage: python biggot?
[10:19] <highvoltage> LaserJock: have you looked at planet.ubuntu.com recently?
[10:19] <LaserJock> ah no, I'll check it out
[10:20] <DanielC> back
[10:20] <DanielC> boricua: Ok, it looks like the client is working.
[10:20] <DanielC>  boricua: Edubuntu server --> switch or hub --> thin clients
[10:21] <boricua> DanielC: well working that is looking for something
[10:21] <boricua> DanielC: ok  i am going to need a 2nd network card     mmm i wonder if in the mean time i can use a wireless one 
[10:21] <DanielC> boricua: If it goes as far as to suggest that you boot from the network then the client is doing everything it can (so it seems). It's up to the server to do the rest.
[10:23] <boricua> k
[10:30] <HedgeMage> BBL real life calls
[10:32] <nootrope> hello. is it possible to download the typing tutor i saw in an edubuntu installation so i can have it on my ubuntu system?
[10:33] <HedgeMage> nootrope: sure... our two typing tutors are tuxtype and some kthing I keep forgetting the name of 
[10:33] <nootrope> can i run the kthing under gnome?
[10:33] <DanielC> nootrope: Should be. We just need to figure out the package name.
[10:33] <HedgeMage> nootrope: yep
[10:33] <nootrope> ah!
[10:34] <HedgeMage> if I remembered its name :/
[10:34] <nootrope> tuxtype isn't really  what i'm looking for...i'm not four ;)
[10:34] <DanielC> nootrope: typespeed seems to be a typing game.
[10:34] <HedgeMage> lol
[10:34] <nootrope> yes! i think that's it!
[10:34] <DanielC> It's in universe.
[10:34] <nootrope> thanks, Daniel!
[10:34] <nootrope> DanielC
[10:34] <DanielC> np
[10:34] <HedgeMage> nootrope: if you look at the edubuntu-desktop package, it's a metapackage with our default stuff in it, look at the list of apps it include
[10:34] <HedgeMage> *includes
[10:35] <HedgeMage> okay, really leaving this time
[10:35] <nootrope> oh, ok! if i D/L allof it it'll have all the educational apps of edubuntu?
[10:35] <HedgeMage> yep
[10:36] <nootrope> k. thanx!!
[10:36] <HedgeMage> np!
[10:36] <nootrope> now, get out of here
[10:36] <HedgeMage> rofl
[10:36] <nootrope> :)
[10:36] <HedgeMage> Really REALLY leaving this time...
[10:36] <nootrope> famous last words #567
[10:37] <DanielC> nootrope: I just downloaded typespeed. It's command-line and a bit geeky (one of the options is "test your speed typing Unix commands")
[10:37] <nootrope> hmmm. not it, then
[10:38] <nootrope> hah!
[11:15] <nootrope> the touch-typing tutor is KTouch!
[11:18] <nootrope> goodbye and thanks!
[11:57] <bddebian> Hello
[11:58] <HedgeMage> hi bddebian, cbx33 
[11:58] <LaserJock> hi cbx33 
[11:58] <bddebian> Hi cbx33
[11:58] <bddebian> and HedgeMage :-)
[11:58] <cbx33> wow
[11:58] <cbx33> hi everyone
[11:58] <HedgeMage> hehe :)
[11:59] <cbx33> HedgeMage, we're gonna work on your logo tomorrow
[11:59] <cbx33> if that's ok
[11:59] <HedgeMage> cbx33: that is awesome :D
[11:59] <cbx33> had to go out today at short notice
[11:59] <cbx33> LaserJock, howz it going
[11:59] <LaserJock> it's going
[12:00] <cbx33> wow
[12:00] <cbx33> a man of many words
[12:00] <cbx33> at least my keyboard is fixed now
[12:01] <cbx33> it's a kernel bug, I've lost the battery monitor but then I don't really care about that
[12:01] <Amaranth> yay i unbroke my content-type checking
[12:01] <LaserJock> cbx33: \o/
[12:01] <Amaranth> right as i was falling asleep last night i realized what i was doing wrong
[12:01] <cbx33> I love moment like that
[12:02] <Amaranth> i was reading until i got the headers, pulling out the content type, and sending immediately if it wasn't a text type
[12:02] <cbx33> you figure something major out and it;s like......WWOOAAHHH
[12:02] <Amaranth> i forgot to send the headers :P
[12:02] <cbx33> I remember doing that on my thesis.....
[12:02] <Amaranth> (and sometimes part of the document)
[12:02] <lucasvo> anybody ever worked with openmosix?
[12:02] <cbx33> iwas getting weird clicks at the beging of sound samples and I couldn't figure out why
[12:02] <cbx33> nope