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| \sh | mornfall: rhel we can't use, we would need an RHN satellite server, which is not working, because redhat wants to have a look every now and then into the datacenter for license counting. | 12:19 |
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| nixternal | hey you coders ;) i am in the process of siging up to take some more college...programming imphasis is what i am filling out now...there are only 3 at this school..they are Java, VB, and C++...which way would you go? | 02:40 |
| nixternal | C++ seems to be all .Net also | 02:41 |
| imbrandon | c++ , the others are easy to pickup once you know that | 02:44 |
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| nixternal | i already am familiar with the VB... | 02:47 |
| nixternal | it is free for me..that is why i am taking it and emphasizing the programming aspect | 02:47 |
| nixternal | my CS/CIT was pretty much all internetworking...time for programming degree | 02:48 |
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| nixternal | fo0d...bbiaf | 02:48 |
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| bddebian | Howdy | 02:50 |
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| linuxmonkey | i think i may have found a bug, how do I report this, i havent reported a bug yet with LP | 05:05 |
| Hobbsee | linuxmonkey: what's it to do with? | 05:08 |
| === Hobbsee makes a mental note to slaughter bluefoxicy. | ||
| linuxmonkey | lol | 05:10 |
| bddebian | heh | 05:11 |
| Hobbsee | bddebian: go ahead and rip into him - i'm a little too angry to do it without violating the CoC | 05:12 |
| Hobbsee | hence the part. | 05:12 |
| linuxmonkey | Hobbsee: im just getting nixternal to see if its just me or if it happens to him too | 05:12 |
| Hobbsee | linuxmonkey: cool | 05:12 |
| linuxmonkey | its kind of agrivating me,,,lol | 05:13 |
| linuxmonkey | looks like im gonna restart | 05:13 |
| nixternal | Hobbsee: good moin | 05:14 |
| Hobbsee | hey nixternal | 05:14 |
| nixternal | ok, i definately gotta stop workin' with the wiki and the moinmoin | 05:14 |
| Hobbsee | hehe, why? | 05:14 |
| bddebian | OMG that boy has diarrhea of the mouth, sheesh | 05:15 |
| nixternal | cuz i am sayin' moin instead of mornin' or morning | 05:15 |
| linuxmonkey | lol | 05:15 |
| nixternal | wth | 05:15 |
| nixternal | is my breath that bad bddebian? | 05:15 |
| imbrandon | lol | 05:15 |
| === nixternal blows into his hand and sniffs | ||
| bddebian | nixternal: No, no, bluefoxcity over in #-motu | 05:15 |
| nixternal | whew | 05:15 |
| nixternal | i was gonna go brush my teeth again ;) | 05:15 |
| linuxmonkey | ok Hobbsee it was just my kdesu messing up | 05:15 |
| Hobbsee | bddebian: mute him, please :P | 05:15 |
| imbrandon | nah someon was being stupid | 05:15 |
| === Hobbsee mutters darkly at that someone | ||
| nixternal | i gotta watch this | 05:16 |
| linuxmonkey | really got to fix that kdesu...lol its starting to be a pain but oh well i'll live with it for now | 05:16 |
| === imbrandon stays outa hobbie's path | ||
| nixternal | you get it fixed linuxmonkey? | 05:17 |
| imbrandon | Hobbsee,* | 05:17 |
| Hobbsee | hehe | 05:17 |
| Hobbsee | you're okay, imbrandon - i wont bite your head off... | 05:17 |
| nixternal | haha | 05:17 |
| imbrandon | dunt konw why my keybord wants to type hobbie everytime | 05:17 |
| imbrandon | lol | 05:17 |
| imbrandon | not like i dont typo enough as is | 05:18 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: tab completion? | 05:18 |
| linuxmonkey | yeah i launched adept. it lagged . killed itself and relauched and the kdesu worked again then went into the network settings and it worked | 05:18 |
| nixternal | my problem went away with the having to run stuff twice | 05:18 |
| imbrandon | Hobbsee, sometimes, trying to get into the habbit, but then i try to use it in nano or such and end up cursing | 05:18 |
| Hobbsee | hehe | 05:18 |
| nixternal | that guy is like talking to himself isn't he? | 05:18 |
| linuxmonkey | it only happens sometimes nixternal, i think ive had it were i had to run it twice ...once in the last week | 05:19 |
| bddebian | Yes | 05:19 |
| bddebian | That is yes, he is talking to himself | 05:20 |
| imbrandon | he's still going .... does he have energiser batteries or somethin | 05:22 |
| Hobbsee | rip them out :P | 05:22 |
| Hobbsee | well, disable them somehow | 05:22 |
| imbrandon | heh | 05:22 |
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| imbrandon | now when i see him i'm gonna think of a little pink bunny witha drum | 05:23 |
| Hobbsee | hey look! he must have gotten bored with talking to himself... | 05:25 |
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| Hobbsee | i'm sure we were doing something useful | 05:25 |
| === bddebian never does anything useful | ||
| Hobbsee | hehe | 05:27 |
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| Hobbsee | bddebian: yes, you just sit around and get teassed. | 05:27 |
| imbrandon_ | grr | 05:28 |
| Hobbsee | hehe | 05:28 |
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| vinboy | is the kopete 0.12 out yet? | 07:38 |
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| kmon | hi | 08:51 |
| nixternal | hey kmon | 09:03 |
| kmon | hi nixternal | 09:03 |
| nixternal | keeping yourself busy lately? | 09:03 |
| kmon | in life in general? | 09:04 |
| kmon | hehe | 09:04 |
| nixternal | an all the above type question | 09:04 |
| nixternal | ;) | 09:04 |
| kmon | well | 09:05 |
| kmon | my new work is taking away many free time | 09:05 |
| kmon | :( | 09:05 |
| nixternal | i hear you there. thats usually the way it happens. hopefully things there will get situated and you can get back to a normal schedule | 09:06 |
| kmon | don't know | 09:06 |
| kmon | next week some of my mates are announcing they are going to leave the company | 09:07 |
| nixternal | right as you start there, they decide to leave ;) | 09:07 |
| kmon | so next week is going to be very strange | 09:07 |
| kmon | yep | 09:07 |
| kmon | hee | 09:07 |
| kmon | people aren't very happy with somethings | 09:08 |
| kmon | s/somethings/some things | 09:08 |
| kmon | anyway... we'll see how it evolves | 09:08 |
| nixternal | better they part ways, then stay there and be unhappy. that can lead to a disruption with the team | 09:08 |
| kmon | there's a lot of disruption right now | 09:09 |
| nixternal | ya. hopefully it will all work out and be better for you | 09:09 |
| nixternal | always disruption, even here at time ;) | 09:09 |
| kmon | and the fact that some of these people are leaving will disrupt many proyects | 09:09 |
| nixternal | ya, that is the one bad thing. but i have seen it at time make a team come together and form bonds that might not have been created with those other people. | 09:10 |
| nixternal | plus there is always the opportunities of new and exciting people coming in that you might just find a great friend in | 09:10 |
| kmon | yep | 09:11 |
| kmon | you're quite more positive than me :) | 09:11 |
| kmon | hehe | 09:11 |
| kmon | I've added this news to the ubuntu newsletter http://osdir.com/Article8840.phtml | 09:11 |
| kmon | we have a video tour! | 09:11 |
| nixternal | sweet | 09:11 |
| nixternal | wow. an actual kubuntu video | 09:12 |
| nixternal | this i just have to see | 09:12 |
| nixternal | especially after hours of wiki and documentation clean up tonight | 09:12 |
| kmon | there's an ubuntu xgl video | 09:13 |
| kmon | as well | 09:13 |
| nixternal | i have ubuntu installed on my laptop because i needed it to reference for documentation and wiki, it is solid, but I can't get used to it, nor do I think I could really enjoy gnome all that much | 09:14 |
| nixternal | maybe i have been to solid with KDE and not being open minded enough | 09:15 |
| kmon | I did my final career proyect in ubuntu (hoary) | 09:15 |
| kmon | been with gnome for about 1 year or less | 09:15 |
| kmon | but I've allways been a kde guy | 09:15 |
| kmon | so one the proyect was finished | 09:16 |
| kmon | I migrated | 09:16 |
| kmon | to kubuntu | 09:16 |
| kmon | same thing | 09:16 |
| kmon | gnome is nice | 09:16 |
| kmon | but it's not for me | 09:16 |
| nixternal | even back in teh mid 90's when KDE was horrible i still used it..i used kde and blackbox | 09:16 |
| nixternal | i just never really liked the feel of gnome, however there is something about the "Human" theme in gnome that I do somewhat like | 09:17 |
| kmon | can't wait to see the kde both at paris | 09:17 |
| nixternal | and brown has never been my favorite color | 09:17 |
| kmon | specially with aseigo | 09:17 |
| nixternal | i wish i could be in paris | 09:17 |
| kmon | me too | 09:17 |
| nixternal | one of these days..maybe my x-wife, my daughter and i could move to europe for once and all | 09:17 |
| kmon | I hope kde community really gets in kubuntu development | 09:17 |
| nixternal | my x-wife and daughter are both europeans and they want to go back..i was in the navy so they got to experience all the good stuff | 09:18 |
| nixternal | maybe they can get me back ;) | 09:18 |
| kmon | europe is nice | 09:18 |
| nixternal | i love europe | 09:18 |
| kmon | time for a vacation? | 09:18 |
| kmon | heh | 09:18 |
| nixternal | portugal, spain, france, gibraltor (drank beer with monkeys here), germany...and it goes on and on | 09:18 |
| nixternal | at gibraltor a monkey took one of my mugs of beer and ran down the rock with it | 09:19 |
| kmon | haha | 09:19 |
| nixternal | i have old video of me drinking beer with one...oh those were some classic times | 09:19 |
| nixternal | that was the ONE good thing about the united states navy i guess..that and the education i guess | 09:19 |
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| danimo | hi | 10:35 |
| danimo | Riddell: ping? | 10:36 |
| kmon | hi | 10:36 |
| freeflying|away | kmon: hey | 10:36 |
| kmon | hi | 10:36 |
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| Riddell | danimo: hi | 11:07 |
| danimo | Riddell: is there any trace of devel packages for kde 4 | 11:10 |
| danimo | ? | 11:11 |
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| Riddell | danimo: not yet, but I'll add it to https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuEdgyPackageUpdates | 11:13 |
| Riddell | would they really be much use at this stage? | 11:14 |
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| danimo | Riddell: to easy kde 4 development on kubuntu? | 11:19 |
| danimo | Riddell: suse does probive development packages, too | 11:19 |
| danimo | (via their buildservice) | 11:19 |
| danimo | cmake, qt4 with patches, etc | 11:19 |
| danimo | provide | 11:19 |
| danimo | Riddell: that's one of the things that made me stick to suse during kde2 and kde3 dev times | 11:19 |
| Riddell | yeah, we weren't able to update cmake and qt4 for dapper :( | 11:24 |
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| Riddell | but I'll do that, and we can probably make backports | 11:24 |
| Riddell | danimo: how dangerous are the qt-copy qt4 patches? any reason to not put them in the main qt4 package? | 11:25 |
| Hobbsee | hey all | 11:25 |
| Riddell | hi Hobbsee | 11:25 |
| danimo | Riddell: I don't think that they are dangerous, at least those signed off by TT | 11:25 |
| danimo | hi Hobbsee | 11:25 |
| kmon | Riddell: do you know if polypaudio is going to be part of kde4? I know jdub is going to push it into edgy as a replacement to dmix | 11:26 |
| Riddell | danimo: how do I know which patches are signed off by TT? | 11:27 |
| Riddell | kmon: I've no idea, we'll need to investigate that | 11:27 |
| Riddell | hmm, no polypaudio package? | 11:27 |
| kmon | Ive added the video tour of kubuntu found on osvids.com to the weekly newsletter | 11:28 |
| kmon | nice tour btw | 11:28 |
| kmon | Riddell: I think polypaudio is not in dapper | 11:29 |
| kmon | but jdub has 0.9.0 packages | 11:29 |
| Riddell | thanks, forgot about the newsletter# | 11:30 |
| Hobbsee | kmon: did they happen to put in the newsletter that kde was better than gnome? :P *ducks* | 11:35 |
| Hobbsee | starting a flamewar on the newsletter could be fun! | 11:35 |
| kmon | hehe | 11:35 |
| kmon | I think that's a common thing everyone knows but is afraid to say ;) | 11:35 |
| Hobbsee | true | 11:36 |
| kmon | that video tour is quite nice | 11:37 |
| kmon | it even includes a ubiquity install | 11:38 |
| kmon | Riddell: maybe you could link it in the kubuntu.org page | 11:38 |
| kmon | http://osvids.com/ | 11:39 |
| Riddell | bah, flash | 11:42 |
| kmon | there's ogg link | 11:42 |
| kmon | below | 11:42 |
| kmon | http://osvids.com/files/ogg/kubuntu.ogg | 11:43 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: you dont like flash? | 11:44 |
| danimo | Hobbsee: I think we all would a lot more if proper flash support wasn't tied to i386 | 11:46 |
| Hobbsee | danimo: ah yes, good point. | 11:46 |
| === Hobbsee keeps forgetting that | ||
| danimo | Hobbsee: if only someone would invent a container format that combined svg's with ogg | 11:47 |
| Hobbsee | true | 11:47 |
| danimo | Hobbsee: and pushed it to a significant market share, I forgot.. | 11:49 |
| Hobbsee | yeah, of course | 11:50 |
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| Hobbsee | bye kmon | 12:00 |
| \sh | moins | 12:00 |
| Hobbsee | hey \sh | 12:00 |
| \sh | huhu hunger | 12:00 |
| \sh | aeh Hobbsee | 12:00 |
| \sh | I'm not really awake | 12:01 |
| === Hobbsee throws a bucket of water onto \sh's head | ||
| danimo | moin \sh | 12:02 |
| \sh | Hobbsee: that's not fair ;) | 12:02 |
| \sh | moins danimo | 12:02 |
| Hobbsee | \sh: you wanted to be woken up, didnt you? | 12:02 |
| === danimo should find some breakfast | ||
| \sh | Hobbsee: but not with water... | 12:03 |
| Hobbsee | \sh: is ice any better? | 12:04 |
| \sh | I wonder where I can find the dhcp lease file on ddwrt | 12:04 |
| === toma waves | ||
| \sh | hi toma | 12:06 |
| Hobbsee | hey toma | 12:06 |
| toma | hi \sh | 12:06 |
| toma | hey Hobbsee | 12:06 |
| \sh | hmmm...ibm t43, after doing nothing with this laptop, just leave it on, at kdm screen...it blackend the screen, and no keystroke or anything else brought it back (kde 3.5.2)...and I actually don't know why this happened during the night | 12:10 |
| toma | Riddell: ping? | 12:13 |
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| Riddell | toma: hi | 12:36 |
| toma | Riddell: hi | 12:37 |
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| toma | Riddell: i just thought of a cool new feature for *kubuntu | 12:37 |
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| toma | Riddell: maybe it is possible to integrate bzr on everyones home directory | 12:37 |
| toma | and commit it every time the user logins | 12:38 |
| toma | or via a notify when the file changes | 12:38 |
| Riddell | hmm :) | 12:39 |
| toma | this way you can always revert to an older version of a document when you accidentally overwrite a file | 12:39 |
| Riddell | yes, certainly interesting but the disk space usage would be crazy | 12:39 |
| Riddell | maybe on a certain directory in the home dir | 12:39 |
| Riddell | ~/version-controlled/ | 12:39 |
| toma | yes | 12:39 |
| toma | disk space is not very expensive anymore | 12:40 |
| pygi | Riddell, that would be nice, we'll do something like that in -server | 12:40 |
| toma | so usally not a big problem for people anymore | 12:40 |
| pygi | there will /etc be under bzr control | 12:40 |
| Riddell | toma: you don't want to version control someone's music or video files | 12:41 |
| toma | this way you could also mark .kde/share/config for a certain version of the app, so a rollback is possible for the user | 12:41 |
| pygi | Riddell, we could allow users to put directories/files of choice under bzr control | 12:41 |
| toma | Riddell: no, exclude those | 12:41 |
| hunger | does bzr handle symlinks properly? | 12:42 |
| Riddell | hunger: not tried, I expect so | 12:42 |
| toma | and those are easily detectable if not | 12:43 |
| hunger | Broken symlink handling is the one reason I do not keep my homedir in a VCS. | 12:43 |
| hunger | Same is true for /etc... It is no fun when /etc/rc*.d gets messed up because of that:-( | 12:43 |
| hunger | toma: Well, symlinks are a integral part of the configuration, at least in my setup. Simply detecting them is not enough. | 12:44 |
| pygi | hunger, I think it should, if not that will be fixed considering -server will use bzr for /etc handling | 12:45 |
| toma | hunger: no, i meant we have to find a solution for that, and that should be possible | 12:45 |
| hunger | Oh, OK then:-) | 12:46 |
| hunger | I never used bzr, but if it can do symlinks, then I have to take a look into it. | 12:46 |
| hunger | Hmmm... can I use other VCS tools instead of bzr? I know several others and do not want to learn yet another one:-) | 12:55 |
| danimo | Riddell: ok, I got it figured out now | 12:57 |
| danimo | Riddell: (got interrupted) | 12:57 |
| danimo | Riddell: qt-copy includes patches signed off by trolltech (that is: they said it would be in the next qt version) | 12:58 |
| danimo | Riddell: safe but uncofirmed patches live in /patches and need to be applied | 12:58 |
| danimo | Riddell: new api and unsafe stuff (e.g. tricky optimization) is in /patches/notsafe and needs to be applied explicitly | 12:58 |
| danimo | Riddell: so using qt-copy + patches sounds like a safe-enough bet | 12:59 |
| \sh | ugh | 12:59 |
| pygi | hunger, learning bzr is not that hard, at least basics ;) | 12:59 |
| hunger | pygi: Everybody makes that claim about their favorite tool;-) | 01:00 |
| danimo | \sh: ugh? | 01:00 |
| \sh | danimo: I just read "new api and unsafe stuff" for qt...that's ugh ;) | 01:00 |
| \sh | danimo: btw...we will see each other at froscon :) | 01:00 |
| pygi | hunger, hehe :) | 01:00 |
| danimo | \sh: cool! | 01:00 |
| danimo | \sh: are you running a Kubuntu booth/room? | 01:01 |
| danimo | \sh: otherwise you can join the KDE Room | 01:01 |
| \sh | danimo: no Kubuntu won't be there...there is actually no time for preparing something, but I will somehow join the kde room.. | 01:01 |
| \sh | http://linux.blogweb.de/archives/218-FrOSCon-2006.html | 01:02 |
| \sh | danimo: I promised to Daniel and Andreas that I will visit the FrOSCon during LT...because I know them still from the LUUSA ;) | 01:03 |
| \sh | ok...and now a shower and some shopping | 01:03 |
| \sh | cu later... | 01:03 |
| danimo | bye | 01:03 |
| danimo | \sh: btw: there will be soccer broadcasting available at froscon | 01:04 |
| \sh | Riddell: I think you get tomorrow the complete python-sip/pyqt/pykde package train for uploading | 01:04 |
| \sh | danimo: hehe...read my blog, the first sentences ;) | 01:04 |
| \sh | danimo: then you know, that I don't need soccer ;) | 01:04 |
| danimo | \sh: I read it, that's why I said it :) | 01:05 |
| \sh | danimo: lol...ok..laters | 01:05 |
| toma | someone running rsibreak at the moment? | 01:13 |
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| theine | Hi, stupid question: Shall I submit a bug report if a fairly popular german news site (www.spiegel.de) doesn't show properly in konqueror? | 01:27 |
| danimo | theine: yes, I've seen that, too | 01:28 |
| danimo | theine: but only on _some_ pages | 01:28 |
| theine | danimo: The Spiegel folks must have changed something recently -- it used to work | 01:28 |
| danimo | theine: yes | 01:28 |
| danimo | theine: did you upgrade to 3.5.3? | 01:29 |
| Riddell | theine: reporting to bugs.kde.org probably best | 01:29 |
| theine | danimo: The main page is fine, but the linked articles do not show properly at all for me | 01:29 |
| theine | danimo: yes, I'm running 3.5.3 | 01:29 |
| danimo | not all, though (at least here) | 01:29 |
| Riddell | and if you can extract the problem HTML that's much more likely to be listene to | 01:29 |
| danimo | theine: so it might also be a regression with 3.5.3 | 01:29 |
| theine | danimo: right | 01:29 |
| danimo | theine: since I have the problem since the upgrade | 01:29 |
| theine | danimo: me too | 01:30 |
| theine | Maybe someone in here could check with 3.5.2? | 01:30 |
| theine | I guess I shouldn't really expect a response to this question as there's nice weather + world cup... ;) | 01:31 |
| theine | and weekend of course | 01:32 |
| Riddell | theine: what doesn't work? | 01:34 |
| Riddell | what does speigel mean anyway? | 01:35 |
| Hobbsee | to play | 01:36 |
| Hobbsee | no, wait | 01:36 |
| Hobbsee | that's speile | 01:36 |
| Riddell | front page looks the same in 3.5.3 and 3.5.2 to me | 01:36 |
| theine | Riddell: It means mirror | 01:36 |
| theine | Riddell: http://www.spiegel.de/sport/fussball/0,1518,420592,00.html | 01:36 |
| Riddell | ah, interesting | 01:36 |
| theine | Riddell: You can think of it as the german time/newsweek | 01:36 |
| Riddell | blank page in 3.5.3, fine in 3.5.2 | 01:37 |
| apokryphos | heh | 01:37 |
| theine | Riddell: ah, ok, so it works in 3.5.2 | 01:37 |
| theine | Riddell: Shall I file a bug report somwhere? | 01:38 |
| Riddell | the Edinburgh Festival has a Spiegel Tent venue, it has lots of mirrors so that all make sense | 01:38 |
| Riddell | theine: bugs.kde.org | 01:38 |
| theine | Riddell: ok | 01:38 |
| danimo | Riddell: it's not like newspaper makers were terrible creative.. | 01:39 |
| danimo | Riddell: mirror, times, etc | 01:39 |
| danimo | Riddell: it's all the same in most european countries | 01:39 |
| danimo | Riddell: there is a "le monde" in france and a "die welt" in germany | 01:40 |
| danimo | (although I think they don't even belong to the same publisher) | 01:40 |
| Riddell | we don't have a "world" in Scotland, maybe I should start one | 01:41 |
| danimo | Riddell: news is big business, go for it :) | 01:42 |
| Hobbsee | hehe. this idea of a "world" seems very suspicious. i think you'll need to form a committee to discuss it, and then let them get back to you, on whether you have permission to start a world or not. | 01:43 |
| danimo | Hobbsee: bah, committees | 01:45 |
| Hobbsee | danimo: :P yeah. and bosses. almost as evil as CUPS and printers. | 01:45 |
| danimo | Hobbsee: don't get me started on CUPS | 01:45 |
| Hobbsee | hehe | 01:45 |
| Hobbsee | danimo: which bit of kde do you do again? | 01:46 |
| Riddell | however before I run the world I have to go to my friend's wedding, and in this heat I probably need to find my kilt and sombrero | 01:46 |
| danimo | Hobbsee: nothing really ,atm | 01:46 |
| Hobbsee | ah okay | 01:46 |
| danimo | Hobbsee: but genereally it's pim stuff | 01:46 |
| === Hobbsee tries to picture Riddell in a kilt and sombrero, and fails. | ||
| Hobbsee | how hot's it there, anyway? | 01:46 |
| Hobbsee | danimo: ah okay | 01:46 |
| danimo | Hobbsee: Kurt Pfeifle came to my place for a cup of coffee and explained the stuff that was going on with ubuntu and cups and I was like *ugh* | 01:47 |
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| Hobbsee | danimo: hehe | 01:47 |
| === Hobbsee makes a mental note to never play with CUPS. | ||
| apokryphos | unfortunate to see all the stick Ubuntu is getting with the new cups | 01:49 |
| apokryphos | but reading some reviews, it does make me think - what the heck are Ubuntu doing :D | 01:49 |
| apokryphos | eek, a google for dapper printing takes you right to the controversy :o | 01:52 |
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| jpatrick | Riddell: ping | 02:26 |
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| Riddell | jpatrick: hi | 03:01 |
| jpatrick | Riddell: Is it possible to get some hosting from Canonical? | 03:02 |
| Riddell | jpatrick: what for? | 03:02 |
| jpatrick | kubuntu-es.org | 03:02 |
| Riddell | should be | 03:02 |
| Riddell | I think heno's incharge of that | 03:03 |
| jpatrick | rouzic: Riddell, Riddell: rouzic, admin of kubuntu-es.org | 03:03 |
| rouzic | hi | 03:03 |
| rouzic | :) | 03:03 |
| Riddell | hola rouzic, pleased to meet you | 03:04 |
| Riddell | I'm feeling very spanish today with my Malagan sombrero | 03:04 |
| rouzic | Likewise | 03:05 |
| rouzic | I am Spanish and my English is not very good | 03:05 |
| Riddell | si | 03:06 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: got a picture of it? | 03:06 |
| rouzic | hablas espaol? | 03:06 |
| jpatrick | Hobbsee: haha | 03:06 |
| === Hobbsee has a sudden idea for the next model for kubuntu... | ||
| Riddell | Hobbsee: no, but probably will do after the wedding, I'm outside leeching wifi now | 03:07 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: good | 03:07 |
| jpatrick | Riddell: appartently the hosting contract is almost finised and there is no more money for another host | 03:07 |
| Hobbsee | wait, you're leeching wifi at a *wedding*???? | 03:07 |
| === Hobbsee wonders just how attached Riddell is to his computer | ||
| rouzic | Ridell: Kubuntu-es.org this in a free hosting and soon our contract is ended by the hosting | 03:08 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: there's still another twenty minutes until the meeting starts, even the groom isn't here yet | 03:08 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: ah okay | 03:08 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: obviously I'll have to close amarok when the meeting does start, that would be quite impolite | 03:09 |
| Hobbsee | hehe | 03:09 |
| Hobbsee | true | 03:09 |
| === Hobbsee hasnt been to a wedding in a while :( | ||
| linuxmonkey | no it the entertainment | 03:09 |
| Riddell | rouzic, jpatrick: talk to Henrik Nilsen Omma <henrik@ubuntu.com>, tell him I sent you | 03:09 |
| Hobbsee | the last one was...a japanese wedding actually...that was interesting | 03:09 |
| jpatrick | Hobbsee: I don't remember the last one I went to | 03:09 |
| Hobbsee | hehe | 03:10 |
| rouzic | Riddell: thanks | 03:10 |
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| rouzic | Riddell: a pleasure to speak with you | 03:13 |
| === Hobbsee still doesnt understand the idea behind having three weddings, marrying the same two people together each time. | ||
| Riddell | rouzic: come to the next kubuntu meeting, you should apply for membership | 03:14 |
| jpatrick | Riddell: we tried that last time, he can't stay up that late | 03:15 |
| rouzic | I will try to be in the next kubuntu meeting | 03:16 |
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| jpatrick | rouzic: OdyX habla espanol | 03:39 |
| rouzic | okis | 03:40 |
| OdyX | rouzic: si... | 03:40 |
| OdyX | jpatrick: tu igual, no ? | 03:40 |
| OdyX | no? | 03:40 |
| rouzic | si, jpatrick tambien | 03:40 |
| OdyX | muy bin.. | 03:40 |
| OdyX | estais los dos en espaa ? | 03:40 |
| jpatrick | Si | 03:40 |
| rouzic | si, yo en barcelona, tu? | 03:41 |
| OdyX | Madrid, pero voy a Barcelona por 3 dias, tomo el bus maana por la noche | 03:41 |
| rouzic | :) que bien | 03:41 |
| rouzic | y eres user de kubuntu? | 03:42 |
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| OdyX | claro | 03:43 |
| OdyX | ... | 03:43 |
| OdyX | :D | 03:43 |
| rouzic | jejeje | 03:43 |
| rouzic | que te parece si quedamos? | 03:43 |
| rouzic | supongo que en la estacion que llegaras sera en la del Arco del triunfo en bcn | 03:44 |
| OdyX | no s... | 03:49 |
| OdyX | el problema, es que vengo con 4 amigas non-geek... | 03:49 |
| OdyX | :D | 03:49 |
| OdyX | y bueno... | 03:49 |
| rouzic | ahhhh, ok, no hay problema :) | 03:49 |
| OdyX | podriamos! | 03:49 |
| OdyX | .D | 03:49 |
| rouzic | era solo por tener interes a conocer a un kubuntero | 03:49 |
| rouzic | no veas, estudio en un instituto con 500 windowseros........... XDDDDDDDDD | 03:50 |
| OdyX | si...eso es... | 03:50 |
| rouzic | es imposible estudiar ahi | 03:50 |
| OdyX | jo igual... | 03:50 |
| OdyX | igual... | 03:50 |
| rouzic | tu edad? | 03:50 |
| OdyX | estoy aqui desde septiembre... y no he trabajado NADA | 03:50 |
| OdyX | 20 | 03:50 |
| rouzic | yo 15 :) | 03:50 |
| rouzic | bueno..... podriamos, no? | 03:51 |
| OdyX | quizas.... | 03:54 |
| OdyX | no s si vamos a tener tiempo... | 03:54 |
| rouzic | yo siempre tengo | 03:54 |
| rouzic | a cualquier hora ;) | 03:54 |
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| bddebian | Hello | 04:06 |
| Hobbsee | greetings bddebian | 04:06 |
| bddebian | Hello again Hobbsee :-) | 04:07 |
| Hobbsee | hobbsee? who would you be referring to? | 04:07 |
| === Hobbsee has forgotten who she is. | ||
| bddebian | heh | 04:07 |
| === jpatrick thinks Hobbsee should listening to: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amnesiac | ||
| Hobbsee | weird jpatrick... | 04:09 |
| jpatrick | hey, it's a cool album | 04:11 |
| toma | identity crisis Hobbsee? | 04:36 |
| Hobbsee | toma: i think so. | 04:36 |
| OdyX | * Hobbsee has forgotten who she is. <- You are Hobbsee. | 04:38 |
| Hobbsee | hmmm...okay then? | 04:38 |
| Hobbsee | but does hobbsee exist? | 04:38 |
| OdyX | Well.. what does "exist" mean ? | 04:38 |
| Hobbsee | good piont | 04:38 |
| OdyX | if "exist" means "have importance for others", you exist... | 04:38 |
| toma | Hobbsee: if you can think you exist | 04:38 |
| jpatrick | You think, therefore you are | 04:39 |
| OdyX | for "material existance", just hit your head against the wall.. You will see... | 04:39 |
| Hobbsee | hmmm...okay then | 04:39 |
| OdyX | If you think you are, you'll be. | 04:39 |
| toma | jpatrick: we read the same book ;-) | 04:39 |
| jpatrick | toma: ;) | 04:39 |
| OdyX | But you can as well think you are not, and you won't be. Only matter of motivation. | 04:39 |
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| === toma has two bottles of water and a deep freezer and wonders if he could skip going to the supermarket and survive the weekend | ||
| OdyX | and... indeed, pain is what remembers you that you actually are, or at least, gives to your brain a conscience of your body. | 04:41 |
| Hobbsee | based on OdyX's definition, i'm surprised i do still exist. thought i'd stopped existing years ago! | 04:41 |
| === toma smells a depression | ||
| OdyX | Hobbsee: welll.. it's totally subjective... It depends on your own definition of "existance", on the importance you give to your existance (as concept, not as fact) | 04:42 |
| bddebian | Hobbsee: Well you could be an fat, stupid, old man like me, so cheer up :-) | 04:42 |
| Hobbsee | toma: no, not anymore...that was a while ago... | 04:42 |
| OdyX | Hobbsee: but, whatever you think, you exist at least for Kubuntu team... | 04:42 |
| Hobbsee | OdyX: hehe, true | 04:43 |
| Hobbsee | bddebian: haha, yes, and that would be such a tragedy | 04:43 |
| toma | bddebian: ha, that is how i imagened you ;-) | 04:43 |
| Hobbsee | bddebian: but hey, i could be sure that i'd never get hit on that way :P | 04:43 |
| Hobbsee | and that migth be a nice change hehe | 04:43 |
| OdyX | bddebian: Sorry, I'm big, musculous, beautiful and arrogant guy ... :D | 04:43 |
| bddebian | Man, now you are depressing me :-( | 04:43 |
| OdyX | ... | 04:43 |
| jpatrick | toma: I've only read http://tinyurl.com/ngrws | 04:44 |
| OdyX | actually, IRC without video _is_ fine... | 04:44 |
| OdyX | you can be whoever you want... | 04:44 |
| === Hobbsee hugs bddebian | ||
| OdyX | even if being "yourself" is better. | 04:44 |
| toma | jpatrick: ah,seems enough for some intelligent remarks ;-) | 04:44 |
| === Hobbsee wouldnt want IRC with video. | ||
| OdyX | I wouldn't even... | 04:45 |
| Hobbsee | actually, i do have a webcam somewhere. it works, too. i dont use it much though | 04:46 |
| jpatrick | mine got busted ages away | 04:47 |
| jpatrick | s/away/ago | 04:47 |
| Hobbsee | hmmm...i temporarily forgot that these logs are public... | 04:47 |
| Hobbsee | silly hobbsee! | 04:47 |
| toma | are they public? | 04:48 |
| toma | aye | 04:48 |
| rouzic | Is the webcam of the macbook compatible with kubuntu? | 04:48 |
| === jpatrick points at ubuntulog | ||
| Hobbsee | toma: yeah | 04:48 |
| === toma starts to wonder what he has said in here | ||
| Hobbsee | hehe | 04:49 |
| toma | (probably to little ;-)) | 04:50 |
| Hobbsee | OdyX: that's always a scary idea, basing what you think of yourself based on what other think of you... | 04:50 |
| === Hobbsee knows there's very little on these channels - well, more here and in -motu than anywhere else, but... | ||
| OdyX | certainly Hobbsee... | 04:50 |
| OdyX | that's not what I meant... | 04:51 |
| === Hobbsee rereads | ||
| OdyX | Hobbsee: you are what you are... but existance is (as I see it) only defined outside of you... | 04:51 |
| OdyX | every one has proper existance... but you can only be conscious of it relatively to other things/people... | 04:52 |
| Hobbsee | yeah okay - maybe that makes sense at almost 1am... | 04:52 |
| OdyX | like "hitting your head against the wall".. | 04:52 |
| Hobbsee | done that a couple of times. it hurts. | 04:53 |
| OdyX | before hitting, you "know" that your head exists... but after hitting, you are sure of it... | 04:53 |
| OdyX | :D | 04:53 |
| Hobbsee | ditto it against the floor, when you fall off a large foam block. | 04:53 |
| OdyX | yep... done it sometimes too... | 04:53 |
| OdyX | when I was very younger... I used to hit my head against the school's tables... | 04:54 |
| OdyX | it was just for fun, even if it was not. | 04:54 |
| Hobbsee | ouch | 04:55 |
| toma | there exist no perfect person | 04:55 |
| OdyX | happily !!!! | 04:56 |
| OdyX | "perfection" is subjective too !!! | 04:57 |
| Hobbsee | oh no, dont get into objective/subjective, discussing history and memory... | 04:57 |
| === Hobbsee goes off into a corner and mutters quietly | ||
| OdyX | ... | 04:58 |
| === OdyX hugs Hobbsee... | ||
| === Hobbsee hugs back | ||
| Hobbsee | it was a section of english that we had to study last year - and no one understood it | 04:58 |
| toma | hey Hobbsee, cheer up, life is great. | 05:04 |
| Hobbsee | toma: whatever gave you the impression that i said it wasnt? | 05:04 |
| Hobbsee | i said that was a while ago | 05:04 |
| toma | [16:59:21] Hobbsee goes off into a corner and mutters quietly | 05:04 |
| OdyX | "Never assume life is fair. Life just is" ... | 05:04 |
| Hobbsee | toma: that was just from thoughts of english :P | 05:05 |
| Hobbsee | toma: our english syllabus is *very* scary - well, the one from last year | 05:05 |
| toma | OdyX: i guess that you did not get that from jpatrick's book | 05:06 |
| OdyX | toma: actually not... | 05:06 |
| OdyX | toma: but it's a deep sentence... | 05:06 |
| OdyX | :D | 05:06 |
| toma | Hobbsee: some psychology stuff is good, you learn more from yourself | 05:06 |
| === Hobbsee already knows *far* more about herself than she wants to. | ||
| Hobbsee | :P | 05:06 |
| toma | lol | 05:07 |
| Hobbsee | come to think of it, i dont think i ever hit my head against a wall - but i remember hitting it against a door repeatedly out of pure frustration. | 05:08 |
| Hobbsee | that *was* a fun night. not. | 05:10 |
| toma | hmm. then you know it only can get better from that point on ;-) | 05:10 |
| toma | hehe, anyhow you must have been frustrated a lot then. | 05:11 |
| Hobbsee | hehe - it was one of the nights for the school musical, everything was going wrong, and people were screwing up, and i couldnt do a thing about it :P | 05:11 |
| Hobbsee | was highly stressful too - and i usually deal with stress -until it hits a point where i just lose it :P | 05:11 |
| Hobbsee | er, deal with stress fine | 05:12 |
| toma | ah, I operated the audio tape for the school musical. I guess noone wanted me to sing ;-) | 05:16 |
| Hobbsee | hehe | 05:16 |
| === Hobbsee was on radio mic duty :D | ||
| Hobbsee | no prizes for guessign why :P | 05:16 |
| jpatrick | I play guitar | 05:17 |
| Hobbsee | fun :) | 05:17 |
| rouzic | Is the webcam of the macbook compatible with kubuntu? | 05:25 |
| === Hobbsee zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz | ||
| freeflying-g4 | rouzic: isight? | 05:29 |
| rouzic | yes | 05:29 |
| toma | bye Hobbsee | 05:30 |
| freeflying-g4 | rouzic: may not | 05:30 |
| rouzic | sure? | 05:31 |
| freeflying-g4 | haven't seen any success examples | 05:33 |
| rouzic | freeflying-g4: thanks :) | 05:35 |
| freeflying-g4 | rouzic: nope | 05:35 |
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| rouzic | freeflying-g4: Spanish wikipedia: Though the chamber(camera) is compatible with systems Windows and Linux does not exist up to the moment a driver to capture sound in Linux with this chamber(camera) by what his(her,your) full functionality only is reached in systems Mac YOU X. | 05:38 |
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| profoXP | Hello guys | 05:39 |
| rouzic | hello profoXP | 05:39 |
| profoXP | Why aren't we using the same logout dialog as we have in gnome/ubuntu ? | 05:39 |
| profoXP | It doesn't look GTK specific or anything and it looks nice | 05:40 |
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| OdyX | profoXP: "logout dialog" in KDE is _very very_ KDE-specifix... | 05:48 |
| profoXP | OdyX, yes but ubuntu's patched gnome 'logout dialog' looks alot better, and it has options to suspend to ram/disk (but it only shows if your pc is able to) | 05:49 |
| OdyX | profoXP: well.. no matter... the problem is not the "look" or functionality... logout dialog in KDE makes a lot of KDE specific things | 05:50 |
| OdyX | and cannot just be "remplaced" as is by gnome's... | 05:51 |
| OdyX | which is certainly gtk specific | 05:51 |
| freeflying-g4 | profoXP: we will have a logout theme ,but not like gnome's | 05:52 |
| profoXP | freeflying-g4, doesnt have to be exactly the same... just has to be there and support suspend, because its not nice to always use seperate tools to suspend | 05:54 |
| OdyX | profoXP: it is something planned AFAIR for Edgy | 05:58 |
| profoXP | OdyX, okay | 05:59 |
| OdyX | profoXP: indeed.. the problem is first of all the choice of what would be used for supsending (powersaved or klaptop...) | 06:01 |
| profoXP | afaik ubuntu uses swsusp for suspend ? | 06:01 |
| profoXP | don't really understand why because suspend2 works better/faster on my other pc's/laptop (running archlinux/debian with suspend2) | 06:02 |
| OdyX | yep... but as far as it is a kernel patch which is not planned to come upstream... | 06:02 |
| OdyX | and the fact that it does not work for everyone.. | 06:02 |
| profoXP | OdyX, frankly, swsusp works on only 1 of my pc's, and all my pc's work using suspend2 | 06:07 |
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| OdyX | well.. if you succeed with a Dell Laptop with nvidia prop' drivers, call me ! | 06:07 |
| profoXP | well, i fixed suspend with swsusp on 2 pc's now, but I can't get it to suspend to ram there, only disk | 06:07 |
| profoXP | dont have a dell laptop :) | 06:07 |
| profoXP | acer with prop ati, ibm with oss ati | 06:08 |
| profoXP | pc with prop nvidia | 06:08 |
| profoXP | and another pc with prop ati | 06:08 |
| OdyX | prop nvidia with swsusp2 works for you ? | 06:08 |
| profoXP | swsusp2 is what ubuntu uses, then yes. But only after some tweaking | 06:09 |
| mornfall | OdyX: dell laptop with intel oss drivers | 06:09 |
| OdyX | swsusp2 is _NOT_ used by Ubuntu per default... | 06:09 |
| mornfall | OdyX: if you have nvidia, you get what you deserve ;-) | 06:10 |
| OdyX | mornfall: you mean ? | 06:10 |
| mornfall | i mean what i say :-) | 06:10 |
| OdyX | I just don't understand... | 06:10 |
| OdyX | nvidia will not suspend with swsups2 ? | 06:11 |
| mornfall | i don't know | 06:11 |
| mornfall | but i won't be suprized if it doesn't | 06:11 |
| OdyX | welll.. it does not suspend with klaptop, nor with powersaved... | 06:11 |
| mornfall | the idea is that it not working is a proper punishment for binary drivers | 06:13 |
| OdyX | yeah... I know... | 06:14 |
| OdyX | but well.. nv driver is "not good enough" | 06:15 |
| === mornfall buys intel | ||
| mornfall | vote by money | 06:15 |
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| profoXP | nvidia suspends on ubuntu here, after doing as the wiki suggests: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NvidiaLaptopBinaryDriverSuspend | 06:20 |
| profoXP | OdyX, ^ | 06:20 |
| OdyX | thanks profoXP | 06:20 |
| profoXP | yw OdyX | 06:20 |
| OdyX | but this is "Ubuntu"... we'll see what happens with K... | 06:20 |
| profoXP | yes, the NvAGP thingy is the most important | 06:21 |
| profoXP | and that will work on kubuntu and ubuntu | 06:21 |
| OdyX | I'll see.. | 06:22 |
| profoXP | :) | 06:23 |
| mornfall | anyone knows some robert moore? :p | 06:25 |
| OdyX | robert moore ? | 06:33 |
| OdyX | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Moore ? | 06:34 |
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| OdyX | Did not work.... | 06:41 |
| OdyX | which are the necessary logs to examine ? | 06:41 |
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| OdyX | wooo.... I have no swap activated ---- | 06:44 |
| OdyX | rare | 06:44 |
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| OdyX | It worked !!!!! | 06:56 |
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| mornfall | OdyX: different richard moore | 07:03 |
| mornfall | robert | 07:03 |
| mornfall | whatever :p | 07:03 |
| mornfall | the one reporting wishes against adept | 07:03 |
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| linuxmonkey | ok i asked in #kubuntu, no one knew so I asked in #Ubuntu no one knew, any know why im only getting 300KB/s over NFS, and I got a 100Mbit connection between both computers | 09:10 |
| jjesse | is the port negotiating the correct speed? can you force it to be set at 100 full instead of auto? | 09:13 |
| linuxmonkey | were would I do that? | 09:14 |
| jjesse | at the switch? is it an actual switch or a hub? | 09:14 |
| linuxmonkey | router and had no problems when I was running suse. but I dont want to run suse | 09:14 |
| jjesse | hmmm i know that at work when i have the need for a certain type of speed i setthe switch to not auto negotiate, but force a speed | 09:15 |
| jjesse | otherwise i don't know linuxmonkey | 09:15 |
| linuxmonkey | no one seams to know..lol | 09:16 |
| linuxmonkey | what happens when you use the server option off the alternate kubuntu cd | 09:16 |
| jjesse | don't know :) | 09:19 |
| linuxmonkey | i keep trying different options and nothing works and 300KB/s is pitifull I can get faster from the web | 09:20 |
| linuxmonkey | last night someone told me that asking in #ubuntu was unpolite because I asked in #kubuntu, lol but if no one knows in 1 channel im gonna ask in the other | 09:23 |
| jjesse | did you try in #ubuntu-server? | 09:24 |
| linuxmonkey | im gonna now, i dint know it existed | 09:25 |
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| bddebian | Hello | 11:57 |
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