=== mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:19] <\sh> mornfall: rhel we can't use, we would need an RHN satellite server, which is not working, because redhat wants to have a look every now and then into the datacenter for license counting. === nixternal`v2 [n=nixterna@71.194.189.213] has joined #kubuntu-devel === neoncode [n=neoncode@unaffiliated/neoncode] has joined #kubuntu-devel === apokryphos [n=apokryph@host-87-74-49-101.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === claydoh [n=clay@bb-66-63-100-239.gwi.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === imbrandon [n=brandon@ubuntu/member/imbrandon] has joined #kubuntu-devel === chavo [n=chavo@68-235-253-154.atlsfl.adelphia.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:40] hey you coders ;) i am in the process of siging up to take some more college...programming imphasis is what i am filling out now...there are only 3 at this school..they are Java, VB, and C++...which way would you go? [02:41] C++ seems to be all .Net also [02:44] c++ , the others are easy to pickup once you know that === Ubug2 [n=bugbot@ubuntu/bot/ubugtu] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:47] i already am familiar with the VB... [02:47] it is free for me..that is why i am taking it and emphasizing the programming aspect [02:48] my CS/CIT was pretty much all internetworking...time for programming degree === pounk [n=pounk@142-217-81-161.telebecinternet.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:48] fo0d...bbiaf === bddebian [n=bdefrees@71.224.172.103] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:50] Howdy === poningru [n=poningru@ip68-105-165-49.ga.at.cox.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === poningru_ [n=poningru@ip68-105-165-49.ga.at.cox.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #kubuntu-devel === _vinboy [n=vinboy@60-234-137-136.bitstream.orcon.net.nz] has joined #kubuntu-devel === poningru [n=poningru@ip68-105-165-49.ga.at.cox.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:05] i think i may have found a bug, how do I report this, i havent reported a bug yet with LP [05:08] linuxmonkey: what's it to do with? === Hobbsee makes a mental note to slaughter bluefoxicy. [05:10] lol [05:11] heh [05:12] bddebian: go ahead and rip into him - i'm a little too angry to do it without violating the CoC [05:12] hence the part. [05:12] Hobbsee: im just getting nixternal to see if its just me or if it happens to him too [05:12] linuxmonkey: cool [05:13] its kind of agrivating me,,,lol [05:13] looks like im gonna restart [05:14] Hobbsee: good moin [05:14] hey nixternal [05:14] ok, i definately gotta stop workin' with the wiki and the moinmoin [05:14] hehe, why? [05:15] OMG that boy has diarrhea of the mouth, sheesh [05:15] cuz i am sayin' moin instead of mornin' or morning [05:15] lol [05:15] wth [05:15] is my breath that bad bddebian? [05:15] lol === nixternal blows into his hand and sniffs [05:15] nixternal: No, no, bluefoxcity over in #-motu [05:15] whew [05:15] i was gonna go brush my teeth again ;) [05:15] ok Hobbsee it was just my kdesu messing up [05:15] bddebian: mute him, please :P [05:15] nah someon was being stupid === Hobbsee mutters darkly at that someone [05:16] i gotta watch this [05:16] really got to fix that kdesu...lol its starting to be a pain but oh well i'll live with it for now === imbrandon stays outa hobbie's path [05:17] you get it fixed linuxmonkey? [05:17] Hobbsee,* [05:17] hehe [05:17] you're okay, imbrandon - i wont bite your head off... [05:17] haha [05:17] dunt konw why my keybord wants to type hobbie everytime [05:17] lol [05:18] not like i dont typo enough as is [05:18] imbrandon: tab completion? [05:18] yeah i launched adept. it lagged . killed itself and relauched and the kdesu worked again then went into the network settings and it worked [05:18] my problem went away with the having to run stuff twice [05:18] Hobbsee, sometimes, trying to get into the habbit, but then i try to use it in nano or such and end up cursing [05:18] hehe [05:18] that guy is like talking to himself isn't he? [05:19] it only happens sometimes nixternal, i think ive had it were i had to run it twice ...once in the last week [05:19] Yes [05:20] That is yes, he is talking to himself [05:22] he's still going .... does he have energiser batteries or somethin [05:22] rip them out :P [05:22] well, disable them somehow [05:22] heh === linuxmonkey_ [n=linuxmon@CPE0013102d9479-CM00080dae3a80.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:23] now when i see him i'm gonna think of a little pink bunny witha drum [05:25] hey look! he must have gotten bored with talking to himself... === Hobbsee wonders what we were doing in -motu before all that. [05:25] i'm sure we were doing something useful === bddebian never does anything useful [05:27] hehe === imbrandon_ [n=brandon@ubuntu/member/imbrandon] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:27] bddebian: yes, you just sit around and get teassed. [05:28] grr [05:28] hehe === imbrandon [n=brandon@ubuntu/member/imbrandon] has joined #kubuntu-devel === imbrandon [n=brandon@ubuntu/member/imbrandon] has joined #kubuntu-devel === imbrandon [n=brandon@ubuntu/member/imbrandon] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #kubuntu-devel === chavo [n=chavo@68-235-253-154.atlsfl.adelphia.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === NeoChaosX [n=nael@adsl-71-141-20-218.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === vinboy [n=vinboy@60-234-137-136.bitstream.orcon.net.nz] has joined #kubuntu-devel === kubuntutaotao [n=kubuntut@60.26.163.144] has joined #kubuntu-devel === NeoChaosX [n=nael@adsl-71-141-20-218.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #kubuntu-devel === yuriy [n=yuriy@207-172-219-193.c3-0.frm-ubr3.sbo-frm.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === NeoChaosX [n=nael@adsl-71-141-20-218.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === _czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-023-205.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:38] is the kopete 0.12 out yet? === Huahua [n=hua_@221.172.49.202] has joined #kubuntu-devel === NeoChaosX [n=nael@adsl-71-141-20-218.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === NeoChaosX [n=nael@adsl-71-141-20-218.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === vinboy [n=vinboy@60-234-137-136.bitstream.orcon.net.nz] has joined #kubuntu-devel === kmon [n=javier@217.Red-80-25-51.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:51] hi [09:03] hey kmon [09:03] hi nixternal [09:03] keeping yourself busy lately? [09:04] in life in general? [09:04] hehe [09:04] an all the above type question [09:04] ;) [09:05] well [09:05] my new work is taking away many free time [09:05] :( [09:06] i hear you there. thats usually the way it happens. hopefully things there will get situated and you can get back to a normal schedule [09:06] don't know [09:07] next week some of my mates are announcing they are going to leave the company [09:07] right as you start there, they decide to leave ;) [09:07] so next week is going to be very strange [09:07] yep [09:07] hee [09:08] people aren't very happy with somethings [09:08] s/somethings/some things [09:08] anyway... we'll see how it evolves [09:08] better they part ways, then stay there and be unhappy. that can lead to a disruption with the team [09:09] there's a lot of disruption right now [09:09] ya. hopefully it will all work out and be better for you [09:09] always disruption, even here at time ;) [09:09] and the fact that some of these people are leaving will disrupt many proyects [09:10] ya, that is the one bad thing. but i have seen it at time make a team come together and form bonds that might not have been created with those other people. [09:10] plus there is always the opportunities of new and exciting people coming in that you might just find a great friend in [09:11] yep [09:11] you're quite more positive than me :) [09:11] hehe [09:11] I've added this news to the ubuntu newsletter http://osdir.com/Article8840.phtml [09:11] we have a video tour! [09:11] sweet [09:12] wow. an actual kubuntu video [09:12] this i just have to see [09:12] especially after hours of wiki and documentation clean up tonight [09:13] there's an ubuntu xgl video [09:13] as well [09:14] i have ubuntu installed on my laptop because i needed it to reference for documentation and wiki, it is solid, but I can't get used to it, nor do I think I could really enjoy gnome all that much [09:15] maybe i have been to solid with KDE and not being open minded enough [09:15] I did my final career proyect in ubuntu (hoary) [09:15] been with gnome for about 1 year or less [09:15] but I've allways been a kde guy [09:16] so one the proyect was finished [09:16] I migrated [09:16] to kubuntu [09:16] same thing [09:16] gnome is nice [09:16] but it's not for me [09:16] even back in teh mid 90's when KDE was horrible i still used it..i used kde and blackbox [09:17] i just never really liked the feel of gnome, however there is something about the "Human" theme in gnome that I do somewhat like [09:17] can't wait to see the kde both at paris [09:17] and brown has never been my favorite color [09:17] specially with aseigo [09:17] i wish i could be in paris [09:17] me too [09:17] one of these days..maybe my x-wife, my daughter and i could move to europe for once and all [09:17] I hope kde community really gets in kubuntu development [09:18] my x-wife and daughter are both europeans and they want to go back..i was in the navy so they got to experience all the good stuff [09:18] maybe they can get me back ;) [09:18] europe is nice [09:18] i love europe [09:18] time for a vacation? [09:18] heh [09:18] portugal, spain, france, gibraltor (drank beer with monkeys here), germany...and it goes on and on [09:19] at gibraltor a monkey took one of my mugs of beer and ran down the rock with it [09:19] haha [09:19] i have old video of me drinking beer with one...oh those were some classic times [09:19] that was the ONE good thing about the united states navy i guess..that and the education i guess === mornfall [n=mornfall@rb4b151.chello.upc.cz] has joined #kubuntu-devel === kmon reboots === kmon [n=javier@217.Red-80-25-51.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === pygi [n=pygi@83-131-224-41.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #kubuntu-devel === ubijtsa [n=ubijtsa@karlsson.force9.co.uk] has joined #kubuntu-devel === imbrandon64 [n=brandon@ubuntu/member/imbrandon] has joined #kubuntu-devel === doelman [n=doelman@dsl-46015.solcon.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel === hunger [n=tobias@p54A62A4E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === vinboy [n=vinboy@60-234-137-136.bitstream.orcon.net.nz] has joined #kubuntu-devel === danimo [n=danimo@kde/danimo] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:35] hi [10:36] Riddell: ping? [10:36] hi [10:36] kmon: hey [10:36] hi === mornfall [n=mornfall@rb4b151.chello.upc.cz] has joined #kubuntu-devel === doelman [n=doelman@dsl-46015.solcon.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:07] danimo: hi [11:10] Riddell: is there any trace of devel packages for kde 4 [11:11] ? === doelman [n=doelman@dsl-46015.solcon.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:13] danimo: not yet, but I'll add it to https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuEdgyPackageUpdates [11:14] would they really be much use at this stage? === chavo [n=chavo@68-235-253-154.atlsfl.adelphia.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-023-205.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:19] Riddell: to easy kde 4 development on kubuntu? [11:19] Riddell: suse does probive development packages, too [11:19] (via their buildservice) [11:19] cmake, qt4 with patches, etc [11:19] provide [11:19] Riddell: that's one of the things that made me stick to suse during kde2 and kde3 dev times [11:24] yeah, we weren't able to update cmake and qt4 for dapper :( === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:24] but I'll do that, and we can probably make backports [11:25] danimo: how dangerous are the qt-copy qt4 patches? any reason to not put them in the main qt4 package? [11:25] hey all [11:25] hi Hobbsee [11:25] Riddell: I don't think that they are dangerous, at least those signed off by TT [11:25] hi Hobbsee [11:26] Riddell: do you know if polypaudio is going to be part of kde4? I know jdub is going to push it into edgy as a replacement to dmix [11:27] danimo: how do I know which patches are signed off by TT? [11:27] kmon: I've no idea, we'll need to investigate that [11:27] hmm, no polypaudio package? [11:28] Ive added the video tour of kubuntu found on osvids.com to the weekly newsletter [11:28] nice tour btw [11:29] Riddell: I think polypaudio is not in dapper [11:29] but jdub has 0.9.0 packages [11:30] thanks, forgot about the newsletter# [11:35] kmon: did they happen to put in the newsletter that kde was better than gnome? :P *ducks* [11:35] starting a flamewar on the newsletter could be fun! [11:35] hehe [11:35] I think that's a common thing everyone knows but is afraid to say ;) [11:36] true [11:37] that video tour is quite nice [11:38] it even includes a ubiquity install [11:38] Riddell: maybe you could link it in the kubuntu.org page [11:39] http://osvids.com/ [11:42] bah, flash [11:42] there's ogg link [11:42] below [11:43] http://osvids.com/files/ogg/kubuntu.ogg [11:44] Riddell: you dont like flash? [11:46] Hobbsee: I think we all would a lot more if proper flash support wasn't tied to i386 [11:46] danimo: ah yes, good point. === Hobbsee keeps forgetting that [11:47] Hobbsee: if only someone would invent a container format that combined svg's with ogg [11:47] true [11:49] Hobbsee: and pushed it to a significant market share, I forgot.. [11:50] yeah, of course === imbrandon64 [n=brandon@ubuntu/member/imbrandon] has joined #kubuntu-devel === \sh [n=shermann@xdsl-213-196-228-239.netcologne.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === kmon leaves [12:00] bye kmon [12:00] <\sh> moins [12:00] hey \sh [12:00] <\sh> huhu hunger [12:00] <\sh> aeh Hobbsee [12:01] <\sh> I'm not really awake === Hobbsee throws a bucket of water onto \sh's head [12:02] moin \sh [12:02] <\sh> Hobbsee: that's not fair ;) [12:02] <\sh> moins danimo [12:02] \sh: you wanted to be woken up, didnt you? === danimo should find some breakfast [12:03] <\sh> Hobbsee: but not with water... [12:04] \sh: is ice any better? [12:04] <\sh> I wonder where I can find the dhcp lease file on ddwrt === toma waves [12:06] <\sh> hi toma [12:06] hey toma [12:06] hi \sh [12:06] hey Hobbsee [12:10] <\sh> hmmm...ibm t43, after doing nothing with this laptop, just leave it on, at kdm screen...it blackend the screen, and no keystroke or anything else brought it back (kde 3.5.2)...and I actually don't know why this happened during the night [12:13] Riddell: ping? === kubuntutaotao [n=kubuntut@60.26.178.172] has joined #kubuntu-devel === mornfall [n=mornfall@rb4b151.chello.upc.cz] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Lathiat [n=lathiat@ubuntu/member/pdpc.basic.lathiat] has joined #kubuntu-devel === pascalFR [n=pascal@cha92-7-82-230-174-61.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:36] toma: hi [12:37] Riddell: hi === Flosoft [n=admin@213.219.186.227.adslpower.by.edpnet.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:37] Riddell: i just thought of a cool new feature for *kubuntu === Flosoft [n=admin@213.219.186.227.adslpower.by.edpnet.be] has left #kubuntu-devel [] [12:37] Riddell: maybe it is possible to integrate bzr on everyones home directory [12:38] and commit it every time the user logins [12:38] or via a notify when the file changes [12:39] hmm :) [12:39] this way you can always revert to an older version of a document when you accidentally overwrite a file [12:39] yes, certainly interesting but the disk space usage would be crazy [12:39] maybe on a certain directory in the home dir [12:39] ~/version-controlled/ [12:39] yes [12:40] disk space is not very expensive anymore [12:40] Riddell, that would be nice, we'll do something like that in -server [12:40] so usally not a big problem for people anymore [12:40] there will /etc be under bzr control [12:41] toma: you don't want to version control someone's music or video files [12:41] this way you could also mark .kde/share/config for a certain version of the app, so a rollback is possible for the user [12:41] Riddell, we could allow users to put directories/files of choice under bzr control [12:41] Riddell: no, exclude those [12:42] does bzr handle symlinks properly? [12:42] hunger: not tried, I expect so [12:43] and those are easily detectable if not [12:43] Broken symlink handling is the one reason I do not keep my homedir in a VCS. [12:43] Same is true for /etc... It is no fun when /etc/rc*.d gets messed up because of that:-( [12:44] toma: Well, symlinks are a integral part of the configuration, at least in my setup. Simply detecting them is not enough. [12:45] hunger, I think it should, if not that will be fixed considering -server will use bzr for /etc handling [12:45] hunger: no, i meant we have to find a solution for that, and that should be possible [12:46] Oh, OK then:-) [12:46] I never used bzr, but if it can do symlinks, then I have to take a look into it. [12:55] Hmmm... can I use other VCS tools instead of bzr? I know several others and do not want to learn yet another one:-) [12:57] Riddell: ok, I got it figured out now [12:57] Riddell: (got interrupted) [12:58] Riddell: qt-copy includes patches signed off by trolltech (that is: they said it would be in the next qt version) [12:58] Riddell: safe but uncofirmed patches live in /patches and need to be applied [12:58] Riddell: new api and unsafe stuff (e.g. tricky optimization) is in /patches/notsafe and needs to be applied explicitly [12:59] Riddell: so using qt-copy + patches sounds like a safe-enough bet [12:59] <\sh> ugh [12:59] hunger, learning bzr is not that hard, at least basics ;) [01:00] pygi: Everybody makes that claim about their favorite tool;-) [01:00] \sh: ugh? [01:00] <\sh> danimo: I just read "new api and unsafe stuff" for qt...that's ugh ;) [01:00] <\sh> danimo: btw...we will see each other at froscon :) [01:00] hunger, hehe :) [01:00] \sh: cool! [01:01] \sh: are you running a Kubuntu booth/room? [01:01] \sh: otherwise you can join the KDE Room [01:01] <\sh> danimo: no Kubuntu won't be there...there is actually no time for preparing something, but I will somehow join the kde room.. [01:02] <\sh> http://linux.blogweb.de/archives/218-FrOSCon-2006.html [01:03] <\sh> danimo: I promised to Daniel and Andreas that I will visit the FrOSCon during LT...because I know them still from the LUUSA ;) [01:03] <\sh> ok...and now a shower and some shopping [01:03] <\sh> cu later... [01:03] bye [01:04] \sh: btw: there will be soccer broadcasting available at froscon [01:04] <\sh> Riddell: I think you get tomorrow the complete python-sip/pyqt/pykde package train for uploading [01:04] <\sh> danimo: hehe...read my blog, the first sentences ;) [01:04] <\sh> danimo: then you know, that I don't need soccer ;) [01:05] \sh: I read it, that's why I said it :) [01:05] <\sh> danimo: lol...ok..laters [01:13] someone running rsibreak at the moment? === theine [n=theine@fw2-new.nbi.dk] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:27] Hi, stupid question: Shall I submit a bug report if a fairly popular german news site (www.spiegel.de) doesn't show properly in konqueror? [01:28] theine: yes, I've seen that, too [01:28] theine: but only on _some_ pages [01:28] danimo: The Spiegel folks must have changed something recently -- it used to work [01:28] theine: yes [01:29] theine: did you upgrade to 3.5.3? [01:29] theine: reporting to bugs.kde.org probably best [01:29] danimo: The main page is fine, but the linked articles do not show properly at all for me [01:29] danimo: yes, I'm running 3.5.3 [01:29] not all, though (at least here) [01:29] and if you can extract the problem HTML that's much more likely to be listene to [01:29] theine: so it might also be a regression with 3.5.3 [01:29] danimo: right [01:29] theine: since I have the problem since the upgrade [01:30] danimo: me too [01:30] Maybe someone in here could check with 3.5.2? [01:31] I guess I shouldn't really expect a response to this question as there's nice weather + world cup... ;) [01:32] and weekend of course [01:34] theine: what doesn't work? [01:35] what does speigel mean anyway? [01:36] to play [01:36] no, wait [01:36] that's speile [01:36] front page looks the same in 3.5.3 and 3.5.2 to me [01:36] Riddell: It means mirror [01:36] Riddell: http://www.spiegel.de/sport/fussball/0,1518,420592,00.html [01:36] ah, interesting [01:36] Riddell: You can think of it as the german time/newsweek [01:37] blank page in 3.5.3, fine in 3.5.2 [01:37] heh [01:37] Riddell: ah, ok, so it works in 3.5.2 [01:38] Riddell: Shall I file a bug report somwhere? [01:38] the Edinburgh Festival has a Spiegel Tent venue, it has lots of mirrors so that all make sense [01:38] theine: bugs.kde.org [01:38] Riddell: ok [01:39] Riddell: it's not like newspaper makers were terrible creative.. [01:39] Riddell: mirror, times, etc [01:39] Riddell: it's all the same in most european countries [01:40] Riddell: there is a "le monde" in france and a "die welt" in germany [01:40] (although I think they don't even belong to the same publisher) [01:41] we don't have a "world" in Scotland, maybe I should start one [01:42] Riddell: news is big business, go for it :) [01:43] hehe. this idea of a "world" seems very suspicious. i think you'll need to form a committee to discuss it, and then let them get back to you, on whether you have permission to start a world or not. [01:45] Hobbsee: bah, committees [01:45] danimo: :P yeah. and bosses. almost as evil as CUPS and printers. [01:45] Hobbsee: don't get me started on CUPS [01:45] hehe [01:46] danimo: which bit of kde do you do again? [01:46] however before I run the world I have to go to my friend's wedding, and in this heat I probably need to find my kilt and sombrero [01:46] Hobbsee: nothing really ,atm [01:46] ah okay [01:46] Hobbsee: but genereally it's pim stuff === Hobbsee tries to picture Riddell in a kilt and sombrero, and fails. [01:46] how hot's it there, anyway? [01:46] danimo: ah okay [01:47] Hobbsee: Kurt Pfeifle came to my place for a cup of coffee and explained the stuff that was going on with ubuntu and cups and I was like *ugh* === goldenear_away [n=user@vol75-4-82-225-33-186.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:47] danimo: hehe === Hobbsee makes a mental note to never play with CUPS. [01:49] unfortunate to see all the stick Ubuntu is getting with the new cups [01:49] but reading some reviews, it does make me think - what the heck are Ubuntu doing :D [01:52] eek, a google for dapper printing takes you right to the controversy :o === jpatrick [n=patrick@ubuntu/member/jpatrick] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:26] Riddell: ping === rouzic [n=rouzic@212.145.63.25] has joined #kubuntu-devel === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:01] jpatrick: hi [03:02] Riddell: Is it possible to get some hosting from Canonical? [03:02] jpatrick: what for? [03:02] kubuntu-es.org [03:02] should be [03:03] I think heno's incharge of that [03:03] rouzic: Riddell, Riddell: rouzic, admin of kubuntu-es.org [03:03] hi [03:03] :) [03:04] hola rouzic, pleased to meet you [03:04] I'm feeling very spanish today with my Malagan sombrero [03:05] Likewise [03:05] I am Spanish and my English is not very good [03:06] si [03:06] Riddell: got a picture of it? [03:06] hablas espaol? [03:06] Hobbsee: haha === Hobbsee has a sudden idea for the next model for kubuntu... [03:07] Hobbsee: no, but probably will do after the wedding, I'm outside leeching wifi now [03:07] Riddell: good [03:07] Riddell: appartently the hosting contract is almost finised and there is no more money for another host [03:07] wait, you're leeching wifi at a *wedding*???? === Hobbsee wonders just how attached Riddell is to his computer [03:08] Ridell: Kubuntu-es.org this in a free hosting and soon our contract is ended by the hosting [03:08] Hobbsee: there's still another twenty minutes until the meeting starts, even the groom isn't here yet [03:08] Riddell: ah okay [03:09] Hobbsee: obviously I'll have to close amarok when the meeting does start, that would be quite impolite [03:09] hehe [03:09] true === Hobbsee hasnt been to a wedding in a while :( [03:09] no it the entertainment [03:09] rouzic, jpatrick: talk to Henrik Nilsen Omma , tell him I sent you [03:09] the last one was...a japanese wedding actually...that was interesting [03:09] Hobbsee: I don't remember the last one I went to [03:10] hehe [03:10] Riddell: thanks === freeflying-g4 [n=freeflyi@61.190.64.118] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:13] Riddell: a pleasure to speak with you === Hobbsee still doesnt understand the idea behind having three weddings, marrying the same two people together each time. [03:14] rouzic: come to the next kubuntu meeting, you should apply for membership [03:15] Riddell: we tried that last time, he can't stay up that late [03:16] I will try to be in the next kubuntu meeting === OdyX [n=Didier@8.Red-80-33-64.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === OdyX [n=Didier@8.Red-80-33-64.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:39] rouzic: OdyX habla espanol [03:40] okis [03:40] rouzic: si... [03:40] jpatrick: tu igual, no ? [03:40] no? [03:40] si, jpatrick tambien [03:40] muy bin.. [03:40] estais los dos en espaa ? [03:40] Si [03:41] si, yo en barcelona, tu? [03:41] Madrid, pero voy a Barcelona por 3 dias, tomo el bus maana por la noche [03:41] :) que bien [03:42] y eres user de kubuntu? === vinboy [n=vinboy@60-234-137-136.bitstream.orcon.net.nz] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:43] claro [03:43] ... [03:43] :D [03:43] jejeje [03:43] que te parece si quedamos? [03:44] supongo que en la estacion que llegaras sera en la del Arco del triunfo en bcn [03:49] no s... [03:49] el problema, es que vengo con 4 amigas non-geek... [03:49] :D [03:49] y bueno... [03:49] ahhhh, ok, no hay problema :) [03:49] podriamos! [03:49] .D [03:49] era solo por tener interes a conocer a un kubuntero [03:50] no veas, estudio en un instituto con 500 windowseros........... XDDDDDDDDD [03:50] si...eso es... [03:50] es imposible estudiar ahi [03:50] jo igual... [03:50] igual... [03:50] tu edad? [03:50] estoy aqui desde septiembre... y no he trabajado NADA [03:50] 20 [03:50] yo 15 :) [03:51] bueno..... podriamos, no? [03:54] quizas.... [03:54] no s si vamos a tener tiempo... [03:54] yo siempre tengo [03:54] a cualquier hora ;) === theine [n=theine@fw2-new.nbi.dk] has joined #kubuntu-devel === bddebian [n=bdefrees@71.224.172.103] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:06] Hello [04:06] greetings bddebian [04:07] Hello again Hobbsee :-) [04:07] hobbsee? who would you be referring to? === Hobbsee has forgotten who she is. [04:07] heh === jpatrick thinks Hobbsee should listening to: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amnesiac [04:09] weird jpatrick... [04:11] hey, it's a cool album [04:36] identity crisis Hobbsee? [04:36] toma: i think so. [04:38] * Hobbsee has forgotten who she is. <- You are Hobbsee. [04:38] hmmm...okay then? [04:38] but does hobbsee exist? [04:38] Well.. what does "exist" mean ? [04:38] good piont [04:38] if "exist" means "have importance for others", you exist... [04:38] Hobbsee: if you can think you exist [04:39] You think, therefore you are [04:39] for "material existance", just hit your head against the wall.. You will see... [04:39] hmmm...okay then [04:39] If you think you are, you'll be. [04:39] jpatrick: we read the same book ;-) [04:39] toma: ;) [04:39] But you can as well think you are not, and you won't be. Only matter of motivation. === rouzic_ [n=rouzic@212.145.63.25] has joined #kubuntu-devel === toma has two bottles of water and a deep freezer and wonders if he could skip going to the supermarket and survive the weekend [04:41] and... indeed, pain is what remembers you that you actually are, or at least, gives to your brain a conscience of your body. [04:41] based on OdyX's definition, i'm surprised i do still exist. thought i'd stopped existing years ago! === toma smells a depression [04:42] Hobbsee: welll.. it's totally subjective... It depends on your own definition of "existance", on the importance you give to your existance (as concept, not as fact) [04:42] Hobbsee: Well you could be an fat, stupid, old man like me, so cheer up :-) [04:42] toma: no, not anymore...that was a while ago... [04:42] Hobbsee: but, whatever you think, you exist at least for Kubuntu team... [04:43] OdyX: hehe, true [04:43] bddebian: haha, yes, and that would be such a tragedy [04:43] bddebian: ha, that is how i imagened you ;-) [04:43] bddebian: but hey, i could be sure that i'd never get hit on that way :P [04:43] and that migth be a nice change hehe [04:43] bddebian: Sorry, I'm big, musculous, beautiful and arrogant guy ... :D [04:43] Man, now you are depressing me :-( [04:43] ... [04:44] toma: I've only read http://tinyurl.com/ngrws [04:44] actually, IRC without video _is_ fine... [04:44] you can be whoever you want... === Hobbsee hugs bddebian [04:44] even if being "yourself" is better. [04:44] jpatrick: ah,seems enough for some intelligent remarks ;-) === Hobbsee wouldnt want IRC with video. [04:45] I wouldn't even... [04:46] actually, i do have a webcam somewhere. it works, too. i dont use it much though [04:47] mine got busted ages away [04:47] s/away/ago [04:47] hmmm...i temporarily forgot that these logs are public... [04:47] silly hobbsee! [04:48] are they public? [04:48] aye [04:48] Is the webcam of the macbook compatible with kubuntu? === jpatrick points at ubuntulog [04:48] toma: yeah === toma starts to wonder what he has said in here [04:49] hehe [04:50] (probably to little ;-)) [04:50] OdyX: that's always a scary idea, basing what you think of yourself based on what other think of you... === Hobbsee knows there's very little on these channels - well, more here and in -motu than anywhere else, but... [04:50] certainly Hobbsee... [04:51] that's not what I meant... === Hobbsee rereads [04:51] Hobbsee: you are what you are... but existance is (as I see it) only defined outside of you... [04:52] every one has proper existance... but you can only be conscious of it relatively to other things/people... [04:52] yeah okay - maybe that makes sense at almost 1am... [04:52] like "hitting your head against the wall".. [04:53] done that a couple of times. it hurts. [04:53] before hitting, you "know" that your head exists... but after hitting, you are sure of it... [04:53] :D [04:53] ditto it against the floor, when you fall off a large foam block. [04:53] yep... done it sometimes too... [04:54] when I was very younger... I used to hit my head against the school's tables... [04:54] it was just for fun, even if it was not. [04:55] ouch [04:55] there exist no perfect person [04:56] happily !!!! [04:57] "perfection" is subjective too !!! [04:57] oh no, dont get into objective/subjective, discussing history and memory... === Hobbsee goes off into a corner and mutters quietly [04:58] ... === OdyX hugs Hobbsee... === Hobbsee hugs back [04:58] it was a section of english that we had to study last year - and no one understood it [05:04] hey Hobbsee, cheer up, life is great. [05:04] toma: whatever gave you the impression that i said it wasnt? [05:04] i said that was a while ago [05:04] [16:59:21] Hobbsee goes off into a corner and mutters quietly [05:04] "Never assume life is fair. Life just is" ... [05:05] toma: that was just from thoughts of english :P [05:05] toma: our english syllabus is *very* scary - well, the one from last year [05:06] OdyX: i guess that you did not get that from jpatrick's book [05:06] toma: actually not... [05:06] toma: but it's a deep sentence... [05:06] :D [05:06] Hobbsee: some psychology stuff is good, you learn more from yourself === Hobbsee already knows *far* more about herself than she wants to. [05:06] :P [05:07] lol [05:08] come to think of it, i dont think i ever hit my head against a wall - but i remember hitting it against a door repeatedly out of pure frustration. [05:10] that *was* a fun night. not. [05:10] hmm. then you know it only can get better from that point on ;-) [05:11] hehe, anyhow you must have been frustrated a lot then. [05:11] hehe - it was one of the nights for the school musical, everything was going wrong, and people were screwing up, and i couldnt do a thing about it :P [05:11] was highly stressful too - and i usually deal with stress -until it hits a point where i just lose it :P [05:12] er, deal with stress fine [05:16] ah, I operated the audio tape for the school musical. I guess noone wanted me to sing ;-) [05:16] hehe === Hobbsee was on radio mic duty :D [05:16] no prizes for guessign why :P [05:17] I play guitar [05:17] fun :) [05:25] Is the webcam of the macbook compatible with kubuntu? === Hobbsee zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz [05:29] rouzic: isight? [05:29] yes [05:30] bye Hobbsee [05:30] rouzic: may not [05:31] sure? [05:33] haven't seen any success examples [05:35] freeflying-g4: thanks :) [05:35] rouzic: nope === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:38] freeflying-g4: Spanish wikipedia: Though the chamber(camera) is compatible with systems Windows and Linux does not exist up to the moment a driver to capture sound in Linux with this chamber(camera) by what his(her,your) full functionality only is reached in systems Mac YOU X. === profoXP [n=profox@d54C0FBA7.access.telenet.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:39] Hello guys [05:39] hello profoXP [05:39] Why aren't we using the same logout dialog as we have in gnome/ubuntu ? [05:40] It doesn't look GTK specific or anything and it looks nice === freeflying-g4 [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:48] profoXP: "logout dialog" in KDE is _very very_ KDE-specifix... [05:49] OdyX, yes but ubuntu's patched gnome 'logout dialog' looks alot better, and it has options to suspend to ram/disk (but it only shows if your pc is able to) [05:50] profoXP: well.. no matter... the problem is not the "look" or functionality... logout dialog in KDE makes a lot of KDE specific things [05:51] and cannot just be "remplaced" as is by gnome's... [05:51] which is certainly gtk specific [05:52] profoXP: we will have a logout theme ,but not like gnome's [05:54] freeflying-g4, doesnt have to be exactly the same... just has to be there and support suspend, because its not nice to always use seperate tools to suspend [05:58] profoXP: it is something planned AFAIR for Edgy [05:59] OdyX, okay [06:01] profoXP: indeed.. the problem is first of all the choice of what would be used for supsending (powersaved or klaptop...) [06:01] afaik ubuntu uses swsusp for suspend ? [06:02] don't really understand why because suspend2 works better/faster on my other pc's/laptop (running archlinux/debian with suspend2) [06:02] yep... but as far as it is a kernel patch which is not planned to come upstream... [06:02] and the fact that it does not work for everyone.. [06:07] OdyX, frankly, swsusp works on only 1 of my pc's, and all my pc's work using suspend2 === freeflying|away [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:07] well.. if you succeed with a Dell Laptop with nvidia prop' drivers, call me ! [06:07] well, i fixed suspend with swsusp on 2 pc's now, but I can't get it to suspend to ram there, only disk [06:07] dont have a dell laptop :) [06:08] acer with prop ati, ibm with oss ati [06:08] pc with prop nvidia [06:08] and another pc with prop ati [06:08] prop nvidia with swsusp2 works for you ? [06:09] swsusp2 is what ubuntu uses, then yes. But only after some tweaking [06:09] OdyX: dell laptop with intel oss drivers [06:09] swsusp2 is _NOT_ used by Ubuntu per default... [06:10] OdyX: if you have nvidia, you get what you deserve ;-) [06:10] mornfall: you mean ? [06:10] i mean what i say :-) [06:10] I just don't understand... [06:11] nvidia will not suspend with swsups2 ? [06:11] i don't know [06:11] but i won't be suprized if it doesn't [06:11] welll.. it does not suspend with klaptop, nor with powersaved... [06:13] the idea is that it not working is a proper punishment for binary drivers [06:14] yeah... I know... [06:15] but well.. nv driver is "not good enough" === mornfall buys intel [06:15] vote by money === Huahua [n=hua_@221.172.49.202] has joined #kubuntu-devel === nixternal`v2 [n=nixterna@71.194.189.213] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:20] nvidia suspends on ubuntu here, after doing as the wiki suggests: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NvidiaLaptopBinaryDriverSuspend [06:20] OdyX, ^ [06:20] thanks profoXP [06:20] yw OdyX [06:20] but this is "Ubuntu"... we'll see what happens with K... [06:21] yes, the NvAGP thingy is the most important [06:21] and that will work on kubuntu and ubuntu [06:22] I'll see.. [06:23] :) [06:25] anyone knows some robert moore? :p [06:33] robert moore ? [06:34] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Moore ? === OdyX tries to suspend. === vinboy [n=vinboy@60-234-137-136.bitstream.orcon.net.nz] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Konversation] === OdyX [n=Didier@8.Red-80-33-64.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:41] Did not work.... [06:41] which are the necessary logs to examine ? === Dinofly [n=dinofly@vbo91-1-82-238-217-179.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:44] wooo.... 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[09:14] were would I do that? [09:14] at the switch? is it an actual switch or a hub? [09:14] router and had no problems when I was running suse. but I dont want to run suse [09:15] hmmm i know that at work when i have the need for a certain type of speed i setthe switch to not auto negotiate, but force a speed [09:15] otherwise i don't know linuxmonkey [09:16] no one seams to know..lol [09:16] what happens when you use the server option off the alternate kubuntu cd [09:19] don't know :) [09:20] i keep trying different options and nothing works and 300KB/s is pitifull I can get faster from the web [09:23] last night someone told me that asking in #ubuntu was unpolite because I asked in #kubuntu, lol but if no one knows in 1 channel im gonna ask in the other [09:24] did you try in #ubuntu-server? 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