[12:19] <\sh> mornfall: rhel we can't use, we would need an RHN satellite server, which is not working, because redhat wants to have a look every now and then into the datacenter for license counting.
[02:40] <nixternal> hey you coders ;) i am in the process of siging up to take some more college...programming imphasis is what i am filling out now...there are only 3 at this school..they are Java, VB, and C++...which way would you go?
[02:41] <nixternal> C++ seems to be all .Net also
[02:44] <imbrandon> c++ , the others are easy to pickup once you know that
[02:47] <nixternal> i already am familiar with the VB...
[02:47] <nixternal> it is free for me..that is why i am taking it and emphasizing the programming aspect
[02:48] <nixternal> my CS/CIT was pretty much all internetworking...time for programming degree
[02:48] <nixternal> fo0d...bbiaf
[02:50] <bddebian> Howdy
[05:05] <linuxmonkey> i think i may have found a bug, how do I report this, i havent reported a bug yet with LP
[05:08] <Hobbsee> linuxmonkey: what's it to do with?
[05:10] <linuxmonkey> lol
[05:11] <bddebian> heh
[05:12] <Hobbsee> bddebian: go ahead and rip into him - i'm a little too angry to do it without violating the CoC
[05:12] <Hobbsee> hence the part.
[05:12] <linuxmonkey> Hobbsee: im just getting nixternal to see if its just me or if it happens to him too
[05:12] <Hobbsee> linuxmonkey: cool
[05:13] <linuxmonkey> its kind of agrivating me,,,lol
[05:13] <linuxmonkey> looks like im gonna restart 
[05:14] <nixternal> Hobbsee: good moin
[05:14] <Hobbsee> hey nixternal 
[05:14] <nixternal> ok, i definately gotta stop workin' with the wiki and the moinmoin
[05:14] <Hobbsee> hehe, why?
[05:15] <bddebian> OMG that boy has diarrhea of the mouth, sheesh
[05:15] <nixternal> cuz i am sayin' moin instead of mornin' or morning
[05:15] <linuxmonkey> lol
[05:15] <nixternal> wth
[05:15] <nixternal> is my breath that bad bddebian?
[05:15] <imbrandon> lol
[05:15] <bddebian> nixternal: No, no, bluefoxcity over in #-motu
[05:15] <nixternal> whew
[05:15] <nixternal> i was gonna go brush my teeth again ;)
[05:15] <linuxmonkey> ok Hobbsee it was just my kdesu messing up
[05:15] <Hobbsee> bddebian: mute him, please :P
[05:15] <imbrandon> nah someon was being stupid 
[05:16] <nixternal> i gotta watch this
[05:16] <linuxmonkey> really got to fix that kdesu...lol its starting to be a pain but oh well i'll live with it for now
[05:17] <nixternal> you get it fixed linuxmonkey?
[05:17] <imbrandon> Hobbsee,*
[05:17] <Hobbsee> hehe
[05:17] <Hobbsee> you're okay, imbrandon - i wont bite your head off...
[05:17] <nixternal> haha
[05:17] <imbrandon> dunt konw why my keybord wants to type hobbie everytime 
[05:17] <imbrandon> lol
[05:18] <imbrandon> not like i dont typo enough as is
[05:18] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: tab completion?
[05:18] <linuxmonkey> yeah i launched adept.  it lagged . killed itself and relauched and the kdesu worked again then went into the network settings and it worked
[05:18] <nixternal> my problem went away with the having to run stuff twice
[05:18] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, sometimes, trying to get into the habbit, but then i try to use it in nano or such and end up cursing
[05:18] <Hobbsee> hehe
[05:18] <nixternal> that guy is like talking to himself isn't he?
[05:19] <linuxmonkey> it only happens sometimes nixternal, i think ive had it were i had to run it twice ...once in the last week
[05:19] <bddebian> Yes
[05:20] <bddebian> That is yes, he is talking to himself
[05:22] <imbrandon> he's still going .... does he have energiser batteries or somethin
[05:22] <Hobbsee> rip them out :P
[05:22] <Hobbsee> well, disable them somehow
[05:22] <imbrandon> heh
[05:23] <imbrandon> now when i see him i'm gonna think of a little pink bunny witha drum
[05:25] <Hobbsee> hey look!  he must have gotten bored with talking to himself...
[05:25] <Hobbsee> i'm sure we were doing something useful
[05:27] <Hobbsee> hehe
[05:27] <Hobbsee> bddebian: yes, you just sit around and get teassed.
[05:28] <imbrandon_> grr
[05:28] <Hobbsee> hehe
[07:38] <vinboy> is the kopete 0.12 out yet?
[08:51] <kmon> hi
[09:03] <nixternal> hey kmon
[09:03] <kmon> hi nixternal
[09:03] <nixternal> keeping yourself busy lately?
[09:04] <kmon> in life in general?
[09:04] <kmon> hehe
[09:04] <nixternal> an all the above type question
[09:04] <nixternal> ;)
[09:05] <kmon> well
[09:05] <kmon> my new work is taking away many free time
[09:05] <kmon> :(
[09:06] <nixternal> i hear you there. thats usually the way it happens. hopefully things there will get situated and you can get back to a normal schedule
[09:06] <kmon> don't know
[09:07] <kmon> next week some of my mates are announcing they are going to leave the company
[09:07] <nixternal> right as you start there, they decide to leave ;)
[09:07] <kmon> so next week is going to be very strange
[09:07] <kmon> yep
[09:07] <kmon> hee
[09:08] <kmon> people aren't very happy with somethings
[09:08] <kmon> s/somethings/some things
[09:08] <kmon> anyway... we'll see how it evolves
[09:08] <nixternal> better they part ways, then stay there and be unhappy. that can lead to a disruption with the team
[09:09] <kmon> there's a lot of disruption right now
[09:09] <nixternal> ya. hopefully it will all work out and be better for you
[09:09] <nixternal> always disruption, even here at time ;)
[09:09] <kmon> and the fact that some of these people are leaving will disrupt many proyects
[09:10] <nixternal> ya, that is the one bad thing. but i have seen it at time make a team come together and form bonds that might not have been created with those other people.
[09:10] <nixternal> plus there is always the opportunities of new and exciting people coming in that you might just find a great friend in
[09:11] <kmon> yep
[09:11] <kmon> you're quite more positive than me :)
[09:11] <kmon> hehe
[09:11] <kmon> I've added this news to the ubuntu newsletter http://osdir.com/Article8840.phtml
[09:11] <kmon> we have a video tour!
[09:11] <nixternal> sweet
[09:12] <nixternal> wow. an actual kubuntu video
[09:12] <nixternal> this i just have to see
[09:12] <nixternal> especially after hours of wiki and documentation clean up tonight
[09:13] <kmon> there's an ubuntu xgl video
[09:13] <kmon> as well
[09:14] <nixternal> i have ubuntu installed on my laptop because i needed it to reference for documentation and wiki, it is solid, but I can't get used to it, nor do I think I could really enjoy gnome all that much
[09:15] <nixternal> maybe i have been to solid with KDE and not being open minded enough
[09:15] <kmon> I did my final career proyect in ubuntu (hoary)
[09:15] <kmon> been with gnome for about 1 year or less
[09:15] <kmon> but I've allways been a kde guy
[09:16] <kmon> so one the proyect was finished
[09:16] <kmon> I migrated
[09:16] <kmon> to kubuntu
[09:16] <kmon> same thing
[09:16] <kmon> gnome is nice
[09:16] <kmon> but it's not for me
[09:16] <nixternal> even back in teh mid 90's when KDE was horrible i still used it..i used kde and blackbox
[09:17] <nixternal> i just never really liked the feel of gnome, however there is something about the "Human" theme in gnome that I do somewhat like
[09:17] <kmon> can't wait to see the kde both at paris
[09:17] <nixternal> and brown has never been my favorite color
[09:17] <kmon> specially with aseigo
[09:17] <nixternal> i wish i could be in paris
[09:17] <kmon> me too
[09:17] <nixternal> one of these days..maybe my x-wife, my daughter and i could move to europe for once and all
[09:17] <kmon> I hope kde community really gets in kubuntu development
[09:18] <nixternal> my x-wife and daughter are both europeans and they want to go back..i was in the navy so they got to experience all the good stuff
[09:18] <nixternal> maybe they can get me back ;)
[09:18] <kmon> europe is nice
[09:18] <nixternal> i love europe
[09:18] <kmon> time for a vacation?
[09:18] <kmon> heh
[09:18] <nixternal> portugal, spain, france, gibraltor (drank beer with monkeys here), germany...and it goes on and on
[09:19] <nixternal> at gibraltor a monkey took one of my mugs of beer and ran down the rock with it
[09:19] <kmon> haha
[09:19] <nixternal> i have old video of me drinking beer with one...oh those were some classic times
[09:19] <nixternal> that was the ONE good thing about the united states navy i guess..that and the education i guess
[10:35] <danimo> hi
[10:36] <danimo> Riddell: ping?
[10:36] <kmon> hi
[10:36] <freeflying|away> kmon: hey
[10:36] <kmon> hi
[11:07] <Riddell> danimo: hi
[11:10] <danimo> Riddell: is there any trace of devel packages for kde 4
[11:11] <danimo> ?
[11:13] <Riddell> danimo: not yet, but I'll add it to https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuEdgyPackageUpdates
[11:14] <Riddell> would they really be much use at this stage?
[11:19] <danimo> Riddell: to easy kde 4 development on kubuntu?
[11:19] <danimo> Riddell: suse does probive development packages, too
[11:19] <danimo> (via their buildservice)
[11:19] <danimo> cmake, qt4 with patches, etc
[11:19] <danimo> provide
[11:19] <danimo> Riddell: that's one of the things that made me stick to suse during kde2 and kde3 dev times
[11:24] <Riddell> yeah, we weren't able to update cmake and qt4 for dapper :(
[11:24] <Riddell> but I'll do that, and we can probably make backports
[11:25] <Riddell> danimo: how dangerous are the qt-copy qt4 patches?  any reason to not put them in the main qt4 package?
[11:25] <Hobbsee> hey all
[11:25] <Riddell> hi Hobbsee 
[11:25] <danimo> Riddell: I don't think that they are dangerous, at least those signed off by TT
[11:25] <danimo> hi Hobbsee
[11:26] <kmon> Riddell: do you know if polypaudio is going to be part of kde4? I know jdub is going to push it into edgy as a replacement to dmix
[11:27] <Riddell> danimo: how do I know which patches are signed off by TT?
[11:27] <Riddell> kmon: I've no idea, we'll need to investigate that
[11:27] <Riddell> hmm, no polypaudio package?
[11:28] <kmon> Ive added the video tour of kubuntu found on osvids.com to the weekly newsletter
[11:28] <kmon> nice tour btw
[11:29] <kmon> Riddell: I think polypaudio is not in dapper
[11:29] <kmon> but jdub has 0.9.0 packages
[11:30] <Riddell> thanks, forgot about the newsletter#
[11:35] <Hobbsee> kmon: did they happen to put in the newsletter that kde was better than gnome?  :P  *ducks*
[11:35] <Hobbsee> starting a flamewar on the newsletter could be fun!
[11:35] <kmon> hehe
[11:35] <kmon> I think that's a common thing everyone knows but is afraid to say ;)
[11:36] <Hobbsee> true
[11:37] <kmon> that video tour is quite nice
[11:38] <kmon> it even includes a ubiquity install
[11:38] <kmon> Riddell: maybe you could link it in the kubuntu.org page
[11:39] <kmon> http://osvids.com/
[11:42] <Riddell> bah, flash
[11:42] <kmon> there's ogg link
[11:42] <kmon> below
[11:43] <kmon> http://osvids.com/files/ogg/kubuntu.ogg
[11:44] <Hobbsee> Riddell: you dont like flash?
[11:46] <danimo> Hobbsee: I think we all would a lot more if proper flash support wasn't tied to i386
[11:46] <Hobbsee> danimo: ah yes, good point.
[11:47] <danimo> Hobbsee: if only someone would invent a container format that combined svg's with ogg
[11:47] <Hobbsee> true
[11:49] <danimo> Hobbsee: and pushed it to a significant market share, I forgot..
[11:50] <Hobbsee> yeah, of course
[12:00] <Hobbsee> bye kmon 
[12:00] <\sh> moins
[12:00] <Hobbsee> hey \sh 
[12:00] <\sh> huhu hunger
[12:00] <\sh> aeh Hobbsee
[12:01] <\sh> I'm not really awake
[12:02] <danimo> moin \sh
[12:02] <\sh> Hobbsee: that's not fair ;)
[12:02] <\sh> moins danimo 
[12:02] <Hobbsee> \sh: you wanted to be woken up, didnt you?
[12:03] <\sh> Hobbsee: but not with water...
[12:04] <Hobbsee> \sh: is ice any better?
[12:04] <\sh> I wonder where I can find the dhcp lease file on ddwrt
[12:06] <\sh> hi toma
[12:06] <Hobbsee> hey toma 
[12:06] <toma> hi \sh
[12:06] <toma> hey Hobbsee
[12:10] <\sh> hmmm...ibm t43, after doing nothing with this laptop, just leave it on, at kdm screen...it blackend the screen, and no keystroke or anything else brought it back (kde 3.5.2)...and I actually don't know why this happened during the night
[12:13] <toma> Riddell: ping?
[12:36] <Riddell> toma: hi
[12:37] <toma> Riddell: hi
[12:37] <toma> Riddell: i just thought of a cool new feature for *kubuntu
[12:37] <toma> Riddell: maybe it is possible to integrate bzr on everyones home directory
[12:38] <toma> and commit it every time the user logins 
[12:38] <toma> or via a notify when the file changes
[12:39] <Riddell> hmm :)
[12:39] <toma> this way you can always revert to an older version of a document when you accidentally overwrite a file
[12:39] <Riddell> yes, certainly interesting but the disk space usage would be crazy
[12:39] <Riddell> maybe on a certain directory in the home dir
[12:39] <Riddell> ~/version-controlled/
[12:39] <toma> yes
[12:40] <toma> disk space is not very expensive anymore
[12:40] <pygi> Riddell, that would be nice, we'll do something like that in -server
[12:40] <toma> so usally not a big problem for  people anymore
[12:40] <pygi> there will /etc be under bzr control
[12:41] <Riddell> toma: you don't want to version control someone's music or video files
[12:41] <toma> this way you could also mark .kde/share/config for a certain version of the app, so a rollback is possible for the user
[12:41] <pygi> Riddell, we could allow users to put directories/files of choice under bzr control
[12:41] <toma> Riddell: no, exclude those
[12:42] <hunger> does bzr handle symlinks properly?
[12:42] <Riddell> hunger: not tried, I expect so
[12:43] <toma> and those are easily detectable if not
[12:43] <hunger> Broken symlink handling is the one reason I do not keep my homedir in a VCS.
[12:43] <hunger> Same is true for /etc... It is no fun when /etc/rc*.d gets messed up because of that:-(
[12:44] <hunger> toma: Well, symlinks are a integral part of the configuration, at least in my setup. Simply detecting them is not enough.
[12:45] <pygi> hunger, I think it should, if not that will be fixed considering -server will use bzr for /etc handling
[12:45] <toma> hunger: no, i meant we have to find a solution for that, and that should be possible
[12:46] <hunger> Oh, OK then:-)
[12:46] <hunger> I never used bzr, but if it can do symlinks, then I have to take a look into it.
[12:55] <hunger> Hmmm... can I use other VCS tools instead of bzr? I know several others and do not want to learn yet another one:-)
[12:57] <danimo> Riddell: ok, I got it figured out now
[12:57] <danimo> Riddell: (got interrupted)
[12:58] <danimo> Riddell: qt-copy includes patches signed off by trolltech (that is: they said it would be in the next qt version)
[12:58] <danimo> Riddell: safe but uncofirmed patches live in /patches and need to be applied
[12:58] <danimo> Riddell: new api and unsafe stuff (e.g. tricky optimization) is in /patches/notsafe and needs to be applied explicitly
[12:59] <danimo> Riddell: so using qt-copy + patches sounds like a safe-enough bet
[12:59] <\sh> ugh
[12:59] <pygi> hunger, learning bzr is not that hard, at least basics ;)
[01:00] <hunger> pygi: Everybody makes that claim about their favorite tool;-)
[01:00] <danimo> \sh: ugh?
[01:00] <\sh> danimo: I just read "new api and unsafe stuff" for qt...that's ugh ;)
[01:00] <\sh> danimo: btw...we will see each other at froscon :)
[01:00] <pygi> hunger, hehe :)
[01:00] <danimo> \sh: cool!
[01:01] <danimo> \sh: are you running a Kubuntu booth/room?
[01:01] <danimo> \sh: otherwise you can join the KDE Room
[01:01] <\sh> danimo: no Kubuntu won't be there...there is actually no time for preparing something, but I will somehow join the kde room..
[01:02] <\sh> http://linux.blogweb.de/archives/218-FrOSCon-2006.html
[01:03] <\sh> danimo: I promised to Daniel and Andreas that I will visit the FrOSCon during LT...because I know them still from the LUUSA ;)
[01:03] <\sh> ok...and now a shower and some shopping
[01:03] <\sh> cu later...
[01:03] <danimo> bye
[01:04] <danimo> \sh: btw: there will be soccer broadcasting available at froscon
[01:04] <\sh> Riddell: I think you get tomorrow the complete python-sip/pyqt/pykde package train for uploading
[01:04] <\sh> danimo: hehe...read my blog, the first sentences ;)
[01:04] <\sh> danimo: then you know, that I don't need soccer ;)
[01:05] <danimo> \sh: I read it, that's why I said it :)
[01:05] <\sh> danimo: lol...ok..laters
[01:13] <toma> someone running rsibreak at the moment?
[01:27] <theine> Hi, stupid question: Shall I submit a bug report if a fairly popular german news site (www.spiegel.de) doesn't show properly in konqueror?
[01:28] <danimo> theine: yes, I've seen that, too
[01:28] <danimo> theine: but only on _some_ pages
[01:28] <theine> danimo: The Spiegel folks must have changed something recently -- it used to work
[01:28] <danimo> theine: yes
[01:29] <danimo> theine: did you upgrade to 3.5.3?
[01:29] <Riddell> theine: reporting to bugs.kde.org probably best
[01:29] <theine> danimo: The main page is fine, but the linked articles do not show properly at all for me
[01:29] <theine> danimo: yes, I'm running 3.5.3
[01:29] <danimo> not all, though (at least here)
[01:29] <Riddell> and if you can extract the problem HTML that's much more likely to be listene to
[01:29] <danimo> theine: so it might also be a regression with 3.5.3
[01:29] <theine> danimo: right
[01:29] <danimo> theine: since I have the problem since the upgrade
[01:30] <theine> danimo: me too
[01:30] <theine> Maybe someone in here could check with 3.5.2?
[01:31] <theine> I guess I shouldn't really expect a response to this question as there's nice weather + world cup... ;)
[01:32] <theine> and weekend of course
[01:34] <Riddell> theine: what doesn't work?
[01:35] <Riddell> what does speigel mean anyway?
[01:36] <Hobbsee> to play
[01:36] <Hobbsee> no, wait
[01:36] <Hobbsee> that's speile
[01:36] <Riddell> front page looks the same in 3.5.3 and 3.5.2 to me
[01:36] <theine> Riddell: It means mirror
[01:36] <theine> Riddell: http://www.spiegel.de/sport/fussball/0,1518,420592,00.html
[01:36] <Riddell> ah, interesting
[01:36] <theine> Riddell: You can think of it as the german time/newsweek
[01:37] <Riddell> blank page in 3.5.3, fine in 3.5.2
[01:37] <apokryphos> heh
[01:37] <theine> Riddell: ah, ok, so it works in 3.5.2
[01:38] <theine> Riddell: Shall I file a bug report somwhere?
[01:38] <Riddell> the Edinburgh Festival has a Spiegel Tent venue, it has lots of mirrors so that all make sense
[01:38] <Riddell> theine: bugs.kde.org
[01:38] <theine> Riddell: ok
[01:39] <danimo> Riddell: it's not like newspaper makers were terrible creative..
[01:39] <danimo> Riddell: mirror, times, etc
[01:39] <danimo> Riddell: it's all the same in most european countries
[01:40] <danimo> Riddell: there is a "le monde" in france and a "die welt" in germany
[01:40] <danimo> (although I think they don't even belong to the same publisher)
[01:41] <Riddell> we don't have a "world" in Scotland, maybe I should start one
[01:42] <danimo> Riddell: news is big business, go for it :)
[01:43] <Hobbsee> hehe.  this idea of a "world" seems very suspicious.  i think you'll need to form a committee to discuss it, and then let them get back to you, on whether you have permission to start a world or not.
[01:45] <danimo> Hobbsee: bah, committees
[01:45] <Hobbsee> danimo: :P  yeah.  and bosses.  almost as evil as CUPS and printers.
[01:45] <danimo> Hobbsee: don't get me started on CUPS
[01:45] <Hobbsee> hehe
[01:46] <Hobbsee> danimo: which bit of kde do you do again?
[01:46] <Riddell> however before I run the world I have to go to my friend's wedding, and in this heat I probably need to find my kilt and sombrero
[01:46] <danimo> Hobbsee: nothing really ,atm
[01:46] <Hobbsee> ah okay
[01:46] <danimo> Hobbsee: but genereally it's pim stuff
[01:46] <Hobbsee> how hot's it there, anyway?
[01:46] <Hobbsee> danimo: ah okay
[01:47] <danimo> Hobbsee: Kurt Pfeifle came to my place for a cup of coffee and explained the stuff that was going on with ubuntu and cups and I was like *ugh*
[01:47] <Hobbsee> danimo: hehe
[01:49] <apokryphos> unfortunate to see all the stick Ubuntu is getting with the new cups
[01:49] <apokryphos> but reading some reviews, it does make me think - what the heck are Ubuntu doing :D 
[01:52] <apokryphos> eek, a google for dapper printing takes you right to the controversy :o
[02:26] <jpatrick> Riddell: ping
[03:01] <Riddell> jpatrick: hi
[03:02] <jpatrick> Riddell: Is it possible to get some hosting from Canonical?
[03:02] <Riddell> jpatrick: what for?
[03:02] <jpatrick> kubuntu-es.org
[03:02] <Riddell> should be
[03:03] <Riddell> I think heno's incharge of that
[03:03] <jpatrick> rouzic: Riddell, Riddell: rouzic, admin of kubuntu-es.org
[03:03] <rouzic> hi
[03:03] <rouzic> :)
[03:04] <Riddell> hola rouzic, pleased to meet you
[03:04] <Riddell> I'm feeling very spanish today with my Malagan sombrero
[03:05] <rouzic> Likewise
[03:05] <rouzic> I am Spanish and my English is not very good
[03:06] <Riddell> si
[03:06] <Hobbsee> Riddell: got a picture of it?
[03:06] <rouzic> hablas espaol?
[03:06] <jpatrick> Hobbsee: haha
[03:07] <Riddell> Hobbsee: no, but probably will do after the wedding, I'm outside leeching wifi now
[03:07] <Hobbsee> Riddell: good
[03:07] <jpatrick> Riddell: appartently the hosting contract is almost finised and there is no more money for another host
[03:07] <Hobbsee> wait, you're leeching wifi at a *wedding*????
[03:08] <rouzic> Ridell: Kubuntu-es.org this in a free hosting and soon our contract is ended by the hosting
[03:08] <Riddell> Hobbsee: there's still another twenty minutes until the meeting starts, even the groom isn't here yet
[03:08] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ah okay
[03:09] <Riddell> Hobbsee: obviously I'll have to close amarok when the meeting does start, that would be quite impolite
[03:09] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:09] <Hobbsee> true
[03:09] <linuxmonkey> no it the entertainment
[03:09] <Riddell> rouzic, jpatrick: talk to Henrik Nilsen Omma <henrik@ubuntu.com>, tell him I sent you
[03:09] <Hobbsee> the last one was...a japanese wedding actually...that was interesting
[03:09] <jpatrick> Hobbsee: I don't remember the last one I went to
[03:10] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:10] <rouzic> Riddell: thanks
[03:13] <rouzic> Riddell: a pleasure to speak with you
[03:14] <Riddell> rouzic: come to the next kubuntu meeting, you should apply for membership
[03:15] <jpatrick> Riddell: we tried that last time, he can't stay up that late
[03:16] <rouzic> I will try to be in the next kubuntu meeting
[03:39] <jpatrick> rouzic: OdyX habla espanol
[03:40] <rouzic> okis
[03:40] <OdyX> rouzic: si...
[03:40] <OdyX> jpatrick: tu igual, no ?
[03:40] <OdyX> no?
[03:40] <rouzic> si, jpatrick tambien
[03:40] <OdyX> muy bin..
[03:40] <OdyX> estais los dos en espaa ?
[03:40] <jpatrick> Si
[03:41] <rouzic> si, yo en barcelona, tu?
[03:41] <OdyX> Madrid, pero voy a Barcelona por 3 dias, tomo el bus maana por la noche
[03:41] <rouzic> :) que bien
[03:42] <rouzic> y eres user de kubuntu?
[03:43] <OdyX> claro
[03:43] <OdyX> ...
[03:43] <OdyX> :D
[03:43] <rouzic> jejeje
[03:43] <rouzic> que te parece si quedamos?
[03:44] <rouzic> supongo que en la estacion que llegaras sera en la del Arco del triunfo en bcn
[03:49] <OdyX> no s...
[03:49] <OdyX> el problema, es que vengo con 4 amigas non-geek...
[03:49] <OdyX> :D
[03:49] <OdyX> y bueno...
[03:49] <rouzic> ahhhh, ok, no hay problema :)
[03:49] <OdyX> podriamos!
[03:49] <OdyX> .D
[03:49] <rouzic> era solo por tener interes a conocer a un kubuntero
[03:50] <rouzic> no veas, estudio en un instituto con 500 windowseros........... XDDDDDDDDD
[03:50] <OdyX> si...eso es...
[03:50] <rouzic> es imposible estudiar ahi
[03:50] <OdyX> jo igual...
[03:50] <OdyX> igual...
[03:50] <rouzic> tu edad?
[03:50] <OdyX> estoy aqui desde septiembre... y no he trabajado NADA
[03:50] <OdyX> 20
[03:50] <rouzic> yo 15 :)
[03:51] <rouzic> bueno..... podriamos, no?
[03:54] <OdyX> quizas....
[03:54] <OdyX> no s si vamos a tener tiempo...
[03:54] <rouzic> yo siempre tengo
[03:54] <rouzic> a cualquier hora ;)
[04:06] <bddebian> Hello
[04:06] <Hobbsee> greetings bddebian 
[04:07] <bddebian> Hello again Hobbsee :-)
[04:07] <Hobbsee> hobbsee?  who would you be referring to?
[04:07] <bddebian> heh
[04:09] <Hobbsee> weird jpatrick...
[04:11] <jpatrick> hey, it's a cool album
[04:36] <toma> identity crisis Hobbsee?
[04:36] <Hobbsee> toma: i think so.
[04:38] <OdyX> * Hobbsee has forgotten who she is. <- You are Hobbsee.
[04:38] <Hobbsee> hmmm...okay then?
[04:38] <Hobbsee> but does hobbsee exist?
[04:38] <OdyX> Well.. what does "exist" mean ?
[04:38] <Hobbsee> good piont
[04:38] <OdyX> if "exist" means "have importance for others", you exist...
[04:38] <toma> Hobbsee: if you can think you exist
[04:39] <jpatrick> You think, therefore you are
[04:39] <OdyX> for  "material existance",  just hit your head against the wall.. You will see...
[04:39] <Hobbsee> hmmm...okay then
[04:39] <OdyX> If you think you are, you'll be.
[04:39] <toma> jpatrick: we read the same book ;-)
[04:39] <jpatrick> toma: ;)
[04:39] <OdyX> But you can as well think you are not, and you won't be. Only matter of motivation.
[04:41] <OdyX> and... indeed, pain is what remembers you that you actually are, or at least, gives to your brain a conscience of your body.
[04:41] <Hobbsee> based on OdyX's definition, i'm surprised i do still exist.  thought i'd stopped existing years ago!
[04:42] <OdyX> Hobbsee: welll.. it's totally subjective... It depends on your own definition of "existance", on the importance you give to your existance (as concept, not as fact)
[04:42] <bddebian> Hobbsee: Well you could be an fat, stupid, old man like me, so cheer up :-)
[04:42] <Hobbsee> toma: no, not anymore...that was a while ago...
[04:42] <OdyX> Hobbsee: but, whatever you think, you exist at least for Kubuntu team...
[04:43] <Hobbsee> OdyX: hehe, true
[04:43] <Hobbsee> bddebian: haha, yes, and that would be such a tragedy
[04:43] <toma> bddebian: ha, that is how i imagened you ;-)
[04:43] <Hobbsee> bddebian: but hey, i could be sure that i'd never get hit on that way :P
[04:43] <Hobbsee> and that migth be a nice change hehe
[04:43] <OdyX> bddebian: Sorry, I'm big, musculous, beautiful and arrogant guy ... :D
[04:43] <bddebian> Man, now you are depressing me :-(
[04:43] <OdyX> ...
[04:44] <jpatrick> toma: I've only read http://tinyurl.com/ngrws
[04:44] <OdyX> actually, IRC without video _is_ fine...
[04:44] <OdyX> you can be whoever you want...
[04:44] <OdyX> even if being "yourself" is better.
[04:44] <toma> jpatrick: ah,seems enough for some intelligent remarks ;-)
[04:45] <OdyX> I wouldn't even...
[04:46] <Hobbsee> actually, i do have a webcam somewhere.  it works, too.  i dont use it much though
[04:47] <jpatrick> mine got busted ages away
[04:47] <jpatrick> s/away/ago
[04:47] <Hobbsee> hmmm...i temporarily forgot that these logs are public...
[04:47] <Hobbsee> silly hobbsee!
[04:48] <toma> are they public?
[04:48] <toma> aye
[04:48] <rouzic> Is the webcam of the macbook compatible with kubuntu?
[04:48] <Hobbsee> toma: yeah
[04:49] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:50] <toma> (probably to little ;-))
[04:50] <Hobbsee> OdyX: that's always a scary idea, basing what you think of yourself based on what other think of you...
[04:50] <OdyX> certainly Hobbsee...
[04:51] <OdyX> that's not what I meant...
[04:51] <OdyX> Hobbsee: you are what you are... but existance is (as I see it) only defined outside of you...
[04:52] <OdyX> every one has proper existance... but you can only be conscious of it relatively to other things/people...
[04:52] <Hobbsee> yeah okay - maybe that makes sense at almost 1am...
[04:52] <OdyX> like "hitting your head against the wall"..
[04:53] <Hobbsee> done that a couple of times.  it hurts.
[04:53] <OdyX> before hitting, you "know" that your head exists... but after hitting, you are sure of it...
[04:53] <OdyX> :D
[04:53] <Hobbsee> ditto it against the floor, when you fall off a large foam block.
[04:53] <OdyX> yep... done it sometimes too...
[04:54] <OdyX> when I was very younger... I used to hit my head against the school's tables...
[04:54] <OdyX> it was just for fun, even if it was not.
[04:55] <Hobbsee> ouch
[04:55] <toma> there exist no perfect person
[04:56] <OdyX> happily !!!!
[04:57] <OdyX> "perfection" is subjective too !!!
[04:57] <Hobbsee> oh no, dont get into objective/subjective, discussing history and memory...
[04:58] <OdyX> ...
[04:58] <Hobbsee> it was a section of english that we had to study last year - and no one understood it
[05:04] <toma> hey Hobbsee, cheer up, life is great.
[05:04] <Hobbsee> toma: whatever gave you the impression that i said it wasnt?
[05:04] <Hobbsee> i said that was a while ago
[05:04] <toma> [16:59:21]  Hobbsee goes off into a corner and mutters quietly
[05:04] <OdyX> "Never assume life is fair. Life just is" ...
[05:05] <Hobbsee> toma: that was just from thoughts of english :P
[05:05] <Hobbsee> toma: our english syllabus is *very* scary - well, the one from last year
[05:06] <toma> OdyX: i guess that you did not get that from jpatrick's book
[05:06] <OdyX> toma: actually not... 
[05:06] <OdyX> toma: but it's a deep sentence...
[05:06] <OdyX> :D
[05:06] <toma> Hobbsee: some psychology stuff is good, you learn more from yourself
[05:06] <Hobbsee> :P
[05:07] <toma> lol
[05:08] <Hobbsee> come to think of it, i dont think i ever hit my head against a wall - but i remember hitting it against a door repeatedly out of pure frustration.
[05:10] <Hobbsee> that *was* a fun night.  not.
[05:10] <toma> hmm. then you know it only can get better from that point on ;-)
[05:11] <toma> hehe, anyhow you must have been frustrated a lot then.
[05:11] <Hobbsee> hehe - it was one of the nights for the school musical, everything was going wrong, and people were screwing up, and i couldnt do a thing about it :P
[05:11] <Hobbsee> was highly stressful too - and i usually deal with stress -until it hits a point where i just lose it :P
[05:12] <Hobbsee> er, deal with stress fine
[05:16] <toma> ah, I operated the audio tape for the school musical. I guess noone wanted me to sing ;-)
[05:16] <Hobbsee> hehe
[05:16] <Hobbsee> no prizes for guessign why :P
[05:17] <jpatrick> I play guitar
[05:17] <Hobbsee> fun :)
[05:25] <rouzic> Is the webcam of the macbook compatible with kubuntu?
[05:29] <freeflying-g4> rouzic: isight?
[05:29] <rouzic> yes
[05:30] <toma> bye Hobbsee
[05:30] <freeflying-g4> rouzic: may not
[05:31] <rouzic> sure?
[05:33] <freeflying-g4> haven't seen any success examples
[05:35] <rouzic> freeflying-g4: thanks :)
[05:35] <freeflying-g4> rouzic: nope
[05:38] <rouzic> freeflying-g4: Spanish wikipedia: Though the chamber(camera) is compatible with systems Windows and Linux does not exist up to the moment a driver to capture sound in Linux with this chamber(camera) by what his(her,your) full functionality only is reached in systems Mac YOU X.
[05:39] <profoXP> Hello guys
[05:39] <rouzic> hello profoXP
[05:39] <profoXP> Why aren't we using the same logout dialog as we have in gnome/ubuntu ?
[05:40] <profoXP> It doesn't look GTK specific or anything and it looks nice
[05:48] <OdyX> profoXP: "logout dialog" in KDE is _very very_ KDE-specifix...
[05:49] <profoXP> OdyX, yes but ubuntu's patched gnome 'logout dialog' looks alot better, and it has options to suspend to ram/disk (but it only shows if your pc is able to)
[05:50] <OdyX> profoXP: well.. no matter... the problem is not the "look" or functionality... logout dialog in KDE makes a lot of KDE specific things
[05:51] <OdyX> and cannot just be "remplaced" as is by gnome's...
[05:51] <OdyX> which is certainly gtk specific
[05:52] <freeflying-g4> profoXP: we will have a logout theme ,but not like gnome's
[05:54] <profoXP> freeflying-g4, doesnt have to be exactly the same... just has to be there and support suspend, because its not nice to always use seperate tools to suspend
[05:58] <OdyX> profoXP: it is something planned AFAIR for Edgy
[05:59] <profoXP> OdyX, okay
[06:01] <OdyX> profoXP: indeed.. the problem is first of all the choice of what would be used for supsending (powersaved or klaptop...)
[06:01] <profoXP> afaik ubuntu uses swsusp for suspend ?
[06:02] <profoXP> don't really understand why because suspend2 works better/faster on my other pc's/laptop (running archlinux/debian with suspend2)
[06:02] <OdyX> yep... but as far as it is a kernel patch which is not planned to come upstream...
[06:02] <OdyX> and the fact that it does not work for everyone..
[06:07] <profoXP> OdyX, frankly, swsusp works on only 1 of my pc's, and all my pc's work using suspend2
[06:07] <OdyX> well.. if you succeed with a Dell Laptop with nvidia prop' drivers, call me !
[06:07] <profoXP> well, i fixed suspend with swsusp on 2 pc's now, but I can't get it to suspend to ram there, only disk
[06:07] <profoXP> dont have a dell laptop :)
[06:08] <profoXP> acer with prop ati, ibm with oss ati
[06:08] <profoXP> pc with prop nvidia
[06:08] <profoXP> and another pc with prop ati
[06:08] <OdyX> prop nvidia with swsusp2 works for you ?
[06:09] <profoXP> swsusp2 is what ubuntu uses, then yes. But only after some tweaking
[06:09] <mornfall> OdyX: dell laptop with intel oss drivers
[06:09] <OdyX> swsusp2 is _NOT_ used by Ubuntu per default...
[06:10] <mornfall> OdyX: if you have nvidia, you get what you deserve ;-)
[06:10] <OdyX> mornfall: you mean ?
[06:10] <mornfall> i mean what i say :-)
[06:10] <OdyX> I just don't understand...
[06:11] <OdyX> nvidia will not suspend with swsups2 ?
[06:11] <mornfall> i don't know
[06:11] <mornfall> but i won't be suprized if it doesn't
[06:11] <OdyX> welll.. it does not suspend with klaptop, nor with powersaved...
[06:13] <mornfall> the idea is that it not working is a proper punishment for binary drivers
[06:14] <OdyX> yeah... I know...
[06:15] <OdyX> but well.. nv driver is "not good enough"
[06:15] <mornfall> vote by money
[06:20] <profoXP> nvidia suspends on ubuntu here, after doing as the wiki suggests: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NvidiaLaptopBinaryDriverSuspend
[06:20] <profoXP> OdyX, ^
[06:20] <OdyX> thanks profoXP
[06:20] <profoXP> yw OdyX 
[06:20] <OdyX> but this is "Ubuntu"... we'll see what happens with K...
[06:21] <profoXP> yes, the NvAGP thingy is the most important
[06:21] <profoXP> and that will work on kubuntu and ubuntu
[06:22] <OdyX> I'll see..
[06:23] <profoXP> :)
[06:25] <mornfall> anyone knows some robert moore? :p
[06:33] <OdyX> robert moore ?
[06:34] <OdyX> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Moore ?
[06:41] <OdyX> Did not work....
[06:41] <OdyX> which are the necessary logs to examine ?
[06:44] <OdyX> wooo.... I have no swap activated ----
[06:44] <OdyX> rare
[06:56] <OdyX> It worked !!!!!
[07:03] <mornfall> OdyX: different richard moore
[07:03] <mornfall> robert
[07:03] <mornfall> whatever :p
[07:03] <mornfall> the one reporting wishes against adept
[09:10] <linuxmonkey> ok i asked in #kubuntu, no one knew so I asked in #Ubuntu no one knew, any know why im only getting 300KB/s over NFS, and I got a 100Mbit connection between both computers
[09:13] <jjesse> is the port negotiating the correct speed?  can you force it to be set at 100 full instead of auto?
[09:14] <linuxmonkey> were would I do that?
[09:14] <jjesse> at the switch?  is it an actual switch or a hub?
[09:14] <linuxmonkey> router and had no problems when I was running suse. but I dont want to run suse
[09:15] <jjesse> hmmm i know that at work when i have the need for a certain type of speed i setthe switch to not auto negotiate, but force a speed
[09:15] <jjesse> otherwise i don't know linuxmonkey
[09:16] <linuxmonkey> no one seams to know..lol
[09:16] <linuxmonkey> what happens when you use the server option off the alternate kubuntu cd
[09:19] <jjesse> don't know :)
[09:20] <linuxmonkey> i keep trying different options and nothing works and 300KB/s is pitifull I can get faster from the web
[09:23] <linuxmonkey> last night someone told me that asking in #ubuntu was unpolite because I asked in #kubuntu, lol but if no one knows in 1 channel im gonna ask in the other
[09:24] <jjesse> did you try in #ubuntu-server?
[09:25] <linuxmonkey> im gonna now, i dint know it existed
[11:57] <bddebian> Hello