[12:04] <winbond> Healot: if grub wont boot lvm , how is the raid gonna work?/
[12:04] <havoc> so no screen resizer applet in ubuntu?
[12:04] <Healot> that's why you need a small basic partition first...
[12:05] <Healot> make a non-LVM partition, install grub there, and boot from there
[12:06] <Flosoft> hey
[12:06] <Healot> yeh
[12:07] <Flosoft> is Kubuntu Dapper desktop able to write / delete files on an NTFS filesystem?
[12:07] <Healot> by default, the kernel NTFS driver cannot do that
[12:07] <havoc> Flosoft: I've heard you can get 'captive' to do it
[12:07] <Healot> third party driver required for that
[12:07] <Healot> !ntfs
[12:07] <ubotu> to automatically mount your NTFS partition: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions there is no write support for ntfs that is safe. <!winfstab>
[12:07] <Flosoft> I need a live CD that can delete a Virus?
[12:07] <havoc> yeah, ntfs.sys
[12:08] <winbond> Healot: ok , s i can make a /boot but how can i install grub there , because grub installs at the end of the whole installation without option to choose where to install it
[12:08] <h3sp4wn> Flosoft: Linux virus
[12:08] <Flosoft> no ... ofcourse not :p
[12:08] <havoc> ok, where/what is the 'update' app?
[12:08] <Flosoft> It is of my little brother ...
[12:08] <Healot> winbond: here's my suggestion from what I usually do
[12:08] <h3sp4wn> dunno then
[12:08] <icheyne> Flosoft: I saw a live cd list that had recommendations
[12:08] <icheyne> Flosoft: I'll just try and find it
[12:09] <kjcole> Flosoft: Look online for something called "The Ultimate CD"
[12:09] <Healot> just make a small, basic/non-RAID partition, like 200MB (just enough for kernel and boot files to reside)
[12:09] <Flosoft> can it delete files on NTFS?
[12:09] <Flosoft> kjcole: I know UMBCD
[12:09] <Flosoft> or UBCD
[12:09] <icheyne> Flosoft: http://www.frozentech.com/content/livecd.php?pick=All&showonly=Windows+Antivirus&sort=&sm=1
[12:10] <Healot> then make your master volumes afterwards, so at least you can boot the kernel, and then let the kernel LVM module handles the rest of the RAID partitions
[12:10] <icheyne> Flosoft: I once saw a blogpost about antivirus using Knoppix
[12:11] <icheyne> google should find it with no probs
[12:11] <Flosoft> icheyne: Knoppix doesn't write to NTFS :(
[12:11] <icheyne> oh right
[12:11] <Flosoft> does the Linux Defender live cd?
[12:11] <icheyne> it's a LiveCD list...
[12:11] <winbond> i did this , i had 3raid partitions on each drive and one non raid partition on each and i gave me some errors ,
[12:12] <Healot> ECBD anyone... the small gadget has NTFS write driver... you can reset Windows password
[12:12] <Healot> what are the errors, winbond?
[12:12] <h3sp4wn> Flosoft: Try just telling him that if I can't look after his computer well he should use linux managed by you
[12:12] <winbond> Healot: usually something to do with kernel , but i cant tell what it was right now
[12:13] <Healot> dmesg
[12:13] <winbond> Healot: like kernel cant see changes to partitions etc etc
[12:13] <Flosoft> h3sp4wn: hehe ... well that won't happen as long as the games aren't supported on Linux ;)
[12:14] <Healot> just paste the message (to pastebin)
[12:14] <h3sp4wn> Flosoft: Get him cedega
[12:14] <kkathman> I have a set of rar files to combine into a file...does kubuntu have the tool that puts them all together?
[12:14] <icheyne> yeah I heard good things about Cedega
[12:14] <icheyne> h3sp4wn: have you tried it?
[12:14] <Healot> if you want to play Windows' games, I suggest you actually play it on Windows
[12:14] <Healot> emulator just cause more problems
[12:14] <kkathman> !rar
[12:14] <ubotu> from memory, rar is a non-free archive format created by Rarsoft. For instructions on accessing .rar files through the Archive Manager view https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FileCompression
[12:15] <Flosoft> Healot: Can't agree more ... Cedaga is not the real thing ;)
[12:15] <winbond> Healot: do you know if there is a raid project to get grub to boot from software raid or is this something that cant be done?
[12:15] <h3sp4wn> No - I only use advancemame (to play the jap version of streetfighter 2 turbo)
[12:15] <icheyne> oh right
[12:15] <h3sp4wn> Want to buy the arcade machine when I have the cash
[12:15] <Healot> winbond: none that I know, but you can search for it...
[12:15] <Healot> unless LVM can do something like Windows' dynamic disk...
[12:16] <icheyne> I have to reconnect to Wirless assistant every time I reboot - anyone got any ideas?
[12:16] <h3sp4wn> icheyne: Why are you not using knetworkmanager
[12:16] <Healot> maybe this bit off-topic... I play Windows games on Windows, Cedega/Wine doesn't make sense to me...
[12:17] <icheyne> h3sp4wn: 'cos that's the one I found in the menus
[12:17] <icheyne> I'll try it though
[12:17] <icheyne> :)
[12:17] <icheyne> thx
[12:17] <h3sp4wn> What wireless card do you use ?
[12:17] <icheyne> rt2500
[12:17] <icheyne> works nicely :)
[12:17] <h3sp4wn> That doesn't work well with networkmanger though
[12:18] <Healot> RT rocks
[12:18] <h3sp4wn> I don't think (or it didn't)
[12:18] <Flosoft> does anyone know Marble Blast
[12:18] <icheyne> sorry got to go
[12:18] <Flosoft> ???
[12:18] <icheyne> :(
[12:18] <Healot> well the opensource driver is
[12:18] <winbond> is this server disconnecting or is my router messed up
[12:18] <Healot> nay, Flosoft
[12:18] <h3sp4wn> Atheros stuff seems to work best for me madwifi-ng is brilliant
[12:19] <h3sp4wn> Actually supports hostap properly
[12:19] <havoc> gah, no middle mouse button?
[12:20] <Healot> havoc: do your mouse have one?
[12:20] <havoc> yes
[12:20] <havoc> and scroll even works
[12:20] <Healot> but the middle doesn't work huh?
[12:20] <havoc> nope
[12:21] <havoc> no paste, no button actions
[12:21] <Healot> try to emulate 3 button mouse...
[12:21] <havoc> again with the xorg.conf
[12:21] <Healot> my middle scroller work as middle button when I do that
[12:21] <havoc> unless there's an ubuntu app for it?
[12:22] <Healot> middle button should work in most X programs
[12:22] <Tykan> what app to connect to irc does kubuntu comes with?
[12:23] <Healot> Konversation
[12:23] <h3sp4wn> konversation or kopote
[12:23] <havoc> Healot: is there an ubuntu app to turn on emulation, or do I need to edit xorg.conf again and restart X?
[12:23] <Healot> for IRC specific, Konversation
[12:23] <Tykan> i hope it's better than xchat
[12:23] <h3sp4wn> It is
[12:23] <Healot> havoc: "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[12:23] <h3sp4wn> (I think)
[12:23] <havoc> Healot: ok
[12:24] <Healot> I can;t remember the option to emulate 3 mouse button in xorg's config
[12:24] <havoc> I'll just edit the config
[12:24] <Healot> Option          "Emulate3Buttons"       "true"... this one
[12:24] <havoc> bah, can't cancel dpkg-reconfigure :<
[12:24] <edneymatias> healot, Emulate3Buttons "true"?
[12:25] <havoc> sonofa.....
[12:25] <Healot> Under Section "InputDevice" >> where the this--> Identifier "Configured Mouse" ...
[12:26] <havoc> gah, can't even HUP X w/ ctrl-alt-del
[12:27] <Healot> open another tty and kill dpkg-reconfigure :-
[12:28] <havoc> Healot: done like 5min ago :)
[12:28] <icheyne> anyone tried irrc or whatever it's called?
[12:29] <havoc> sudo killall dpkg-reconfigure
[12:29] <Healot> irssi? icheyne?
[12:29] <icheyne> Healot: that's the one
[12:29] <RawSewage> Why doesnt my screen saver work
[12:29] <Healot> text-based IRC client... sounds old school :-
[12:29] <RawSewage> It doesnt activate after inactivity
[12:30] <icheyne> that's what I reckon too
[12:30] <icheyne> Konversation is good for me
[12:30] <Healot> RawSewage: because there might be some other apps running
[12:30] <Tykan> KDE > Gnome?
[12:30] <Healot> icheyne: text-based IRC clients are good for roboting
[12:30] <xwolf-> linus would say so.
[12:31] <RawSewage> Healot, computers always have apps running.  screensaver should activate if thers no keyboard or mouse input
[12:31] <icheyne> Healot: oh right - not sure that's appealed to me
[12:31] <havoc> bah, still no middle button :<
[12:31] <Healot> havoc: click both left+right button at once
[12:32] <JavaGeek> irssi++
[12:32] <Healot> or click on the middle scroller
[12:32] <RawSewage> Healot, oh well, Im reading the forums. seems to be a common problem
[12:32] <Healot> since my rat is two button+middle scroller... maybe doesn;t apply to your mouse, btw restart X?
[12:32] <havoc> Healot: yeah, that works, and emulate3buttons was true, so I disabled it
[12:33] <Healot> if you have middle mouse button, the option should be removed, or "false"
[12:33] <havoc> Healot: it's a logitech trackman optical thing,
[12:33] <havoc> I just have to screw w/ xorg.conf some more
[12:34] <Healot> mmkaty, let's see the result, result may vary from mouse to mouse
[12:35] <RawSewage> Qt: 3.3.6
[12:35] <RawSewage> KDE: 3.5.2
[12:35] <RawSewage> kde-config: 1.0
[12:36] <RawSewage> How do I upgrade to 3.5.3
[12:36] <Healot> no more Kjiten package?
[12:36] <Healot> RawSewage: goto kubuntu.org
[12:36] <Healot> there is a news/wiki/FAQ about KDE 3.5.3
[12:41] <RawSewage> ok
[12:42] <nico8481> anyone using skim ?
[12:43] <havoc> Healot: ok, got middle button thing worked out, Protocol needed to be PS/2, and the zaxismapping needed to be "6 7"
[12:43] <Healot> what protocol you previously used?
[12:43] <Healot> "auto"?
[12:43] <havoc> ubutun detected it as ExplorerPS/@
[12:43] <Healot> my mapping is 4 5
[12:44] <Healot> oh, you changed it to ImPS/2?
[12:44] <havoc> just PS/@
[12:44] <havoc> just PS/2
[12:44] <Healot> oh
[12:45] <havoc> I think I need ImPS/2 though, as now scrolling doesn't work ;)
[12:45] <Healot> i'll note that if I am going have multiple button mouse
[12:46] <havoc> ok, ImPS/2 and "4 5" mapping
[12:47] <havoc> Healot: hey, thanx a *lot* for tollerating my impatience :)
[12:47] <havoc> and to whomever else I've harassed in the past 45min or so ;)
[12:47] <Healot> does all mouse buttons work? plis the scoller
[12:47] <havoc> I'm a creature of habit, and I've been using the same system/configuration for a decade now
[12:47] <Healot> havoc: hey I am learning too... keeper if I have mouse like yours
[12:48] <havoc> Healot: no, but I don't expect them all to, I just wanted it to work the way it was working in mandrake
[12:49] <havoc> now to get wireless working on my sony vaio laptop (in ubuntu) ;)
[12:49] <havoc> *that'll* be fun
[12:49] <h3sp4wn> what chipset does the card have in it ?
[12:49] <havoc> had nothing but failure on that for the past several hours
[12:49] <havoc> h3sp4wn: orinoco something-or-other
[12:49] <h3sp4wn> based on madwifi ?
[12:50] <h3sp4wn> havoc: if you do ifconfig -a does ath0 appear ?
[12:50] <havoc> "ath0"?
[12:50] <havoc> no
[12:51] <h3sp4wn> what does it appear as ?
[12:51] <h3sp4wn> or is it not detected yet ?
[12:51] <havoc> eth1, acording to iwconfig
[12:51] <h3sp4wn> do iwlist eth1 scan what does it say
[12:52] <havoc> but the wlan it needs to run on has ssid bcast disabled, and uses a 128bit wep key
[12:52] <havoc> failed to read scan data: no data available
[12:52] <RawSewage> whats the shortcut keys for Lock Session
[12:53] <h3sp4wn> Can you not just enable bcast until you get it working ?>
[12:53] <JohnFlux> any kubuntu dev here?
[12:53] <havoc> h3sp4wn: that is necessary?
[12:53] <havoc> ok, I'll enable it
[12:53] <h3sp4wn> havoc: It makes it alot easier to be able to check whether you can see the network (whether the firmware for the card is installed etc)
[12:54] <havoc> ah
[12:54] <havoc> well, iwconfig was showing signal
[12:54] <havoc> anyway, I just enabled ssi bcast
[12:54] <h3sp4wn> havoc: aircrack-ng could crack the wep in 5 mins anyway you should be using wpa iff you can
[12:54] <havoc> h3sp4wn: not an option w/ this old builtin card :(
[12:55] <havoc> I have a pcmcia card that can do wpa, but I don't want the card hanging out
[12:55] <havoc> I also do MAC filtering, but again, that can be cracked
[12:55] <havoc> ok, so ssid bcast is enabled, now what?
[12:56] <h3sp4wn> havoc: do lshw and look in the bit about the wireless card and pastebin it (You may be able to use wpa_supplicant if there is a native linux driver for the card)
[12:57] <psyke83> havoc: what card is it?
[12:57] <havoc> orinoco
[12:57] <havoc> hmm, advanced wireless opts disabled in the system settings
[12:58] <psyke83> havoc: wpa_supplicant may work with that card, have you tried NetworkManager?
[12:59] <havoc> nope, that installed by default?
[12:59] <sokuban> What do you need to build an application from source code? Do all the compilers come with kubuntu? if not, what do I need?
[01:00] <mrmist> Can't get my norwegian keyboard to work... I can't write the "alpha" symbol. Anyone know what's wrong ?
[01:01] <havoc> I need to get this thing to connect to the network even when SSID bcast is disabled
[01:03] <mrmist> Anyone ??
[01:04] <psyke83> havoc: that's not a problem afaik, I've disabled SSID broadcast on my wireless router
[01:04] <mrmist> the "alt+gr" symbols don't work at all
[01:04] <psyke83> check out knetworkmanager and wpasupplicant
[01:05] <psyke83> you need to manually install knetworkmanager, wpasupplicant should already be included
[01:05] <psyke83> at the worst you can use ndiswrapper + Windows drivers with WPA support if you're comfortable to use them (wpasupplicant supports ndiswrapper, I'm not sure about the opensource orinoco driver)
[01:06] <havoc> psyke83: installing it now
[01:06] <havoc> psyke83: WPA isn't an option w/ this card :(
[01:07] <havoc> bah, knetworkmanager won't run :(
[01:07] <psyke83> oh, your problem is only with the broadcast SSID? When it's not broadcasting you can't connect?
[01:08] <h3sp4wn> havoc: The card doesn't need wpa support to use wpa_supplicant
[01:08] <havoc> h3sp4wn: ah
[01:09] <h3sp4wn> Its done in software
[01:09] <Tylerofl> does anyone know of any file browsers alternative to konqueror?
[01:09] <havoc> psyke83: haven't been able to connect at all yet
[01:10] <psyke83> havoc: as a troubleshooting measure, can you enable ssid broadcast and disable encryption on your router, to see if it will connect?
[01:11] <havoc> psyke83: done.
[01:12] <psyke83> and can you now connect?
[01:12] <havoc> now should I try going throught he Systeme Settings util again?
[01:12] <psyke83> hmm.. one sec
[01:13] <psyke83> and knetworkmanager doesn't connect?
[01:14] <havoc> what is that?
[01:14] <havoc> is there a gui that should start?
[01:14] <h3sp4wn> It would be easiest debug if we knew the chipset of the card (it will be in lshw)
[01:14] <h3sp4wn> (the firmware may not be installed if its certain cards)
[01:14] <havoc> hang on
[01:14] <psyke83> havoc: if you haven't installed, from the terminal type sudo apt-get install knetworkmanager
[01:15] <havoc> didn't that a while back
[01:15] <havoc> *did*
[01:15] <psyke83> then run knetworkmanager
[01:16] <havoc> psyke83: ok, which bit of lshw do you want?
[01:16] <havoc> does knetworkmanager have a gui, or is it a daemon?
[01:16] <SkrotFFS> It has a GUI
[01:16] <psyke83> it has a gui that should appear in the tray area
[01:17] <havoc> ah, wasn't looking there ;)
[01:17] <havoc> ok, it's there
[01:18] <h3sp4wn> lshw | grep wireless (you should get driver=xxx somewhere in that
[01:18] <psyke83> havoc: right click, options, show networks
[01:19] <psyke83> (on the knetworkmanager icon)
[01:19] <havoc> no networks show, and no driver for wireless device
[01:19] <psyke83> ok, would you be ok with using ndiswrapper?
[01:20] <psyke83> I've no idea re: the opensource orinoco driver
[01:20] <havoc> psyke83: http://pastebin.com/771052
[01:20] <havoc> psyke83: I'll be happy with whatever *works* ;)
[01:21] <psyke83> havoc: it seems your card is enabled and working, but knetworkmanager may be confused that it's assigned as eth1 (I think it looks for wlan0/1 etc)
[01:22] <psyke83> what's your iwconfig output?
[01:23] <havoc> psyke83: http://pastebin.com/771055
[01:24] <psyke83> your router's essid is charon?
[01:25] <havoc> no, that's nto supposed to be there, I was "hacking"
[01:25] <havoc> that's the laptop's hostname
[01:25] <havoc> there are 2 WAPs
[01:25] <havoc> but I'm pretty sure "roaming" is still broken in wpa_suplicant
[01:26] <psyke83> try this: iwconfig eth1 essid "youressid"
[01:26] <psyke83> oops, sudo iwconfig eth1 essid "youressid"
[01:27] <psyke83> then try sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart
[01:28] <havoc> restarting....
[01:29] <Desh> Ok, I have the source for Gaim 2.0 beta 3, I would like to install it w/o overwriting or deleting my current Gaim, is this possible?
[01:29] <psyke83> Desh: there's precompiled debs available, it may solve you some hassle
[01:29] <Desh> psyke83: Would I still keep Gaim 1.5?
[01:29] <psyke83> Desh: nope, but you can downgrade via synaptic if you want
[01:30] <Desh> Ah ok, thanks.
[01:30] <_rabby> i dont find in kubuntu file rc.conf
[01:30] <havoc> psyke83: http://pastebin.com/771066
[01:30] <jefferson> teste
[01:30] <_rabby> kubuntu have rc.conf analog?
[01:30] <psyke83> Desh: http://people.ubuntu.com/~seb128/deb/
[01:31] <Desh> psyke83: Thanks. :)
[01:31] <psyke83> download gaim and gaim-data, then sudo dpkg -i gaim*.deb
[01:32] <rraajj> Desh: If you really want 1.5 and 2.0.beta3 to coexist, you can compile 2.0.beta3 and install it in a different location.
[01:32] <furkan> #sourtimes
[01:33] <Random_Transit> question....is there any way i can resize my root partition without screwing it up?
[01:33] <rraajj> Desh: In the ./configure, you can set the --prefix flag to direct where "make install" will install the compiled program.
[01:33] <psyke83> Desh: ./configure --prefix=/opt/gaim (as an example), if you prefer to compile from source and want 1.5 and 2.0 to coexist
[01:34] <Desh> Ah ok, well I am trying out 2.0 to see how it runs.
[01:34] <Desh> I want it for Google Talk.
[01:34] <psyke83> let me save you bother, it doesn't work with google talk yet
[01:34] <Desh> -O
[01:34] <psyke83> let me clarify, it doesn't work with the voice service of google talk
[01:35] <Desh> *:-O
[01:35] <rraajj> Yep.
[01:35] <Desh> Oh, that's ok.
[01:35] <psyke83> it works fine with their jabber service
[01:35] <psyke83> but then so does 1.5
[01:35] <Random_Transit> so can anyone answer my q? can i repartition my root partition (which is ext3) without screwing it?
[01:36] <rraajj> Hehe. Gaim 2 still doesn't come with the long hoped VV (voice and video) feature.
[01:36] <hi247man> how would i go about figuring out the sound card chipset on a mystery laptop
[01:36] <hi247man> no disernable marks or #'s to identify brand of laptop
[01:36] <psyke83> havoc: sudo iwconfig eth1 essid xxxx;dhclient eth1
[01:37] <psyke83> replace xxxx with your essid, heh
[01:37] <Desh> psyke83: No Google Talk in the Menu?? Is it Jabber?
[01:37] <DrBair> hi247man: use the lspci command
[01:37] <psyke83> Desh: yep :)
[01:37] <psyke83> Desh: http://www.google.com/support/talk/bin/answer.py?answer=24073
[01:37] <DrBair> hi247man: or it'd probably be in the infocenter as well
[01:37] <Desh> psyke83: Didn't gaim 1.5 have jabber?
[01:38] <psyke83> sure, so you don't need to upgrade in order to use google talk
[01:38] <Desh> Oh..
[01:38] <psyke83> 2.0 is developing voice support, but it's far from complete afaik.. google talk's chat feature works with virtually any jabber client
[01:39] <havoc> psyke83: it works, now the trick is WEP and no essid bcast
[01:39] <hi247man> cant see a sound device listed in lspci, but i know it has one that works.  XP sees it
[01:41] <psyke83> no problem I reckon, havoc; enable WEP encryption, and try: "sudo iwconfig eth1 essid xxx key s:xxx;dhclient eth1" - note that you need to prefix your key with "s:" to denote that you're entering it as a string/ascii, or you can type the hex code
[01:41] <psyke83> if that works, then try disabling the essid broadcast (I have wep and essid broadcast disabled on my router and it works fine)
[01:41] <Random_Transit> hello??
[01:42] <Desh> I hate when Adept randomly closes...
[01:42] <havoc> psyke83: working on it ...
[01:43] <havoc> psyke83: but none of this is going to help me at nest boot
[01:43] <havoc> next boot
[01:43] <psyke83> Random_Transit: that's a tough question. If you want to repartition, you should boot from the livecd and use gparted or manual tools, and make sure that if your root partition is somehow renamed or reassigned, you need to edit your /etc/fstab and modify it accordingly
[01:43] <psyke83> havoc: not a prob, if it works, I'll show you what to edit
[01:43] <havoc> psyke83: /etc/network/interfaces?
[01:44] <havoc> or the init script?
[01:44] <havoc> psyke83: wnable WEP first?
[01:45] <havoc> enable WEP first?
[01:45] <psyke83> havoc: yes
[01:45] <psyke83> if it works using iwconfig, then you edit /etc/network/interfaces
[01:45] <skipster23> a buudy of mine gave a a video card i was wondering will i need to change any configuration with kde
[01:46] <havoc> psyke83: is it wireless-key ?
[01:46] <psyke83> havoc: on seperate lines, you'd enter: "wireless-essid xxx" and "wireless-key s:xxx"
[01:46] <havoc> no 's:', I have it in hex
[01:46] <psyke83> put it under "auto eth1", I'm not sure if the placement matters but put it there just in case
[01:46] <psyke83> sure, just enter it in hex omitting "s:"
[01:48] <psyke83> havoc: is it working with wep enabled? Don't go editing your interfaces file until you've verified it working
[01:48] <psyke83> *it's
[01:48] <havoc> working w/o it
[01:48] <diedvalar> hi
[01:48] <havoc> turing on WEP right now and putting the key in interfaces
[01:49] <psyke83> ok.. it would be easier to troubleshoot if you tried via iwconfig first, but it should work alright
[01:49] <havoc> psyke83: ah, sorry
[01:49] <psyke83> the interfaces file is parsed and iwconfig is used afaik, so it doesn't matter.. but doing it that way you can see more easily if it connects
[01:50] <psyke83> *doing it via iwconfig directly, I mean
[01:50] <h3sp4wn> I think wpa_cli is best way to troubleshoot wifi (even if you are not using wpa)
[01:51] <psyke83> h3sp4wn: yeah but wpa_supplicant isn't set to start as a daemon by default, it's a little awkward
[01:52] <psyke83> havoc: assuming all this works, it would be handy if you could figure how to reassign your wireless to use wlan0, I think KNetworkManager would see the interface and allow connecting via its GUI (which would help with roaming, I suppose)
[01:52] <psyke83> I think that commenting the "eth1" lines in interfaces may be enough to force it to use wlan0
[01:53] <havoc> psyke83: ok, just verified that it works w/ WEP
[01:53] <havoc> psyke83: now to disabled ssid bcast
[01:53] <havoc> psyke83: will it still try to connect?
[01:54] <psyke83> havoc: you don't need to specify any other arguments, as long as you named the essid, it should connect despite it not broadcasting anymore
[01:54] <psyke83> well that's true for acx and zx1211, I don't have an orinoco card
[01:54] <psyke83> *zd1211
[01:55] <havoc> psyke83: I'll find out soon ;)
[01:58] <psyke83> as they say, billionth time lucky :P
[01:59] <havoc> heh
[01:59] <havoc> so far, so good, lemme reboot to see if it sticks ;)
[01:59] <havoc> oh hey, what should I do to change eth1 to wlan0?
[02:00] <psyke83> it'd be a good idea to fix that now...
[02:00] <havoc> right
[02:00] <psyke83> just a sec
[02:00] <havoc> which is why I waited to reboot :)
[02:00] <havoc> ok
[02:00] <Healot> havoc: you can wake an alias of eth1 in /etc/modules.conf
[02:01] <psyke83> havoc: simply try commenting the lines with "eth1", then do: sudo ifdown eth1;sudo ifup wlan0 - if this fails, simply uncomment the eth1 lines
[02:02] <psyke83> (this is in the interfaces file)
[02:02] <h3sp4wn> psyke83: Did you have do anything special to get your zd1211 working someone is asking me about it in #ubuntu
[02:02] <h3sp4wn> psyke83: Install firmware or anything ?
[02:02] <psyke83> h3sp4wn: yeah, I did.. I had to use a hacky script in /etc/if-up.d/.. one sec and I'll find my post
[02:03] <RavenTest> Is there xine for kubuntu?
[02:03] <RadiantFire> RavenTest: yes
[02:03] <crimsun_> RavenTest: yep
[02:03] <Healot> xine-ui is the package
[02:04] <RavenTest> thanks RadiantFire crimsun_
[02:04] <Healot> the xine engine is available for all KDE multimedia applications
[02:04] <psyke83> h3sp4wn: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=907544&postcount=12
[02:04] <RadiantFire> ewww, not xine-ui
[02:04] <RavenTest> Healot:  thanks
[02:04] <havoc> psyke83: I'm not sure this is a good idea
[02:04] <RadiantFire> xine-ui is the ugliest peice of !@#$ ever
[02:04] <RadiantFire> use either kaffeine or kmplayer with the xine backend
[02:04] <Healot> RavenTest said "xine"
[02:04] <psyke83> that "hack" may be unnecessary, but I think you need to recompile a newer driver, details are in that post
[02:05] <RadiantFire> Healot: there is a difference between the xine backend and the xine-ui
[02:05] <Healot> xine-ui is old skewl, there is love to it :)
[02:05] <RadiantFire> xine is brilliant, xine-ui is a demonic hedgemaze of a ui
[02:05] <RadiantFire> grown by satan to snare unwitting travelers
[02:05] <Healot> RadiantFire: yes i know... he just said xine...
[02:05] <psyke83> havoc: if that doesn't work, uncomment the lines with eth1 and "sudo ifdown wlan0;sudo ifup eth1" will bring back wireless for sure (or a reboot if you're lazy)
[02:05] <Healot> RadiantFire: bleh :-
[02:05] <havoc> psyke83: http://pastebin.com/771112
[02:05] <RavenTest> RadiantFire: i get this Package xine is not available
[02:06] <RadiantFire> RavenTest: you are looking for packages in the libxine* family
[02:06] <RadiantFire> they should be installed by default on Dapper
[02:06] <RadiantFire> except for libxine-extracodecs
[02:06] <RavenTest> ok thanks
[02:06] <Healot> RavenTest: read about this too...
[02:06] <Healot> !mp3
[02:06] <ubotu> hmm... mp3 is a patented format; to enable mp3 capability see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[02:07] <psyke83> havoc: I assume eth2 & ath0 are unused on your system, so comment out eth1,2 and ath0, then put the wireless-key/wireless-essid lines right below the wlan0 lines at the bottom
[02:07] <haider> Hmmm, is it just me or is the compiz-vanilla package updating everyday?!
[02:07] <psyke83> the advantage of doing this is that KNetworkManager will probably recognised your wireless card and allow a more user-friendly way to configure your network in the future
[02:07] <Healot> it's updating everyday, haider
[02:07] <Healot> it's still in testing stage...
[02:08] <psyke83> havoc: just make a copy of your interfaces file and overwrite it again if this modification doesn't work.. no harm done
[02:09] <haider> Healot: ahh, nice! You know the main development site?
[02:09] <havoc> bah, don't need a backup, things can't get worse than they've already been ;)
[02:09] <havoc> and I just commented stuff anyway
[02:09] <RadiantFire> havoc: whats your problem?
[02:09] <havoc> RadiantFire: which one ;)
[02:09] <RadiantFire> er, pick one
[02:09] <RadiantFire> I'm here to help :-)
[02:10] <psyke83> havoc: if you've done all that just restart your network and see if it works :)
[02:10] <havoc> RadiantFire: thanx, gimme 5min to come up w/ a new one ;)
[02:10] <havoc> psyke83: it's restartgin now, slow box
[02:10] <RadiantFire> mmm, network problems, thats always fun :-)
[02:10] <Healot> haider: no, but  I guess you can search for it
[02:10] <james_xxx> ok i have a question... with kubuntu i had been have a number of issues, presumably some kinds of conflict or lack of support for my intel video card. my screen savers would quit working and i would have to frequently reconfigure power saving mode for the monitor, as the settings would just disappear. on this same computer, after installing kubuntu 3 different times,,,, i would have #D accelerated graphics for several days, and they wo
[02:10] <james_xxx> cel3D graphics to come back. now i have installed simplyMepis on that same comp and i am not having any of these issues (so far).
[02:10] <Dustin> is there a way to limit uploads on an arbitrary process?
[02:10] <james_xxx> 3D*
[02:10] <havoc> psyke83: so far, so good, rebooting now
[02:10] <psyke83> haider: http://www.compiz.com is *a* development site of sorts
[02:10] <james_xxx> is that too long for a chat room? lol
[02:11] <TheHighChild> does anyone use VMware?
[02:11] <psyke83> haider: http://www.compiz.net I mean
[02:11] <psyke83> TheHighChild: yep
[02:11] <havoc> psyke83: ok, maybe not, eth1 is still listed by i[f|w] config
[02:11] <Healot> TheHighChild: for VMware support, refer the VMware manual or VMware site...
[02:11] <havoc> so nothing was accomplished
[02:11] <RadiantFire> havoc
[02:12] <james_xxx> i also have kubuntu on this computer i am using now ( a laptop) and have had none of these issues here. i fdon't get it
[02:12] <RadiantFire> what model card?
[02:12] <haider> psyke83: Thanks dude! ;)
[02:12] <james_xxx> RadiantFire: it is an intel extreme graphics 2... i know they suck
[02:12] <james_xxx> integrated
[02:12] <Healot> ieg uses thos iXXX driver
[02:12] <james_xxx> Healot: yup
[02:12] <Healot> if you have the newest 945 chipset
[02:12] <RadiantFire> I have an i810, it works well except for kde's opengl savers
[02:13] <havoc> my current interfaces: http://pastebin.com/771122
[02:13] <Healot> you might want to recompile using the official Intel's driver (at intel.com of course)
[02:13] <RadiantFire> er, havoc, why do you have so many interfaces?
[02:13] <TheHighChild> psyke83:  Have you had issue with it recognizing the ethernet device?
[02:13] <james_xxx> RadiantFire: all of my screen savers quit working each time.
[02:13] <havoc> RadiantFire: no clue
[02:13] <RadiantFire> which one are you trying to enable?
[02:13] <havoc> RadiantFire: sony vaio laptop
[02:13] <james_xxx> Healot: i wondered about that
[02:13] <RadiantFire> do you have an atheros card?
[02:14] <havoc> RadiantFire: eth0 is lan, eth1 is wlan, we're trying to get eth1 renamed to wlan0
[02:14] <RadiantFire> why?
[02:14] <james_xxx> RadiantFire: NONE of  the screen savers worked... they would test fine, but would never start
[02:14] <psyke83> TheHighChild: not really, what vmware product are you using, player, server, workstation?
[02:14] <havoc> RadiantFire: psyke83 suggested it
[02:14] <RadiantFire> havoc: what model is the wireless card?
[02:14] <havoc> RadiantFire: orinoco something-or-other
[02:14] <RadiantFire> really?
[02:14] <RadiantFire> and it doesn't work with the built in drivers?
[02:14] <havoc> yes
[02:14] <james_xxx> my question is why everything is fine with simplyMepis , but it all sucked with kubuntu.....
[02:14] <psyke83> havoc: I was checking the forums to see if someone had a solution there, still looking
[02:14] <havoc> seems to be working now
[02:15] <havoc> psyke83: solution to what?
[02:15] <RadiantFire> so don't try and rename it to wlan0
[02:15] <james_xxx> and the thing is, i want kubuntu back on that PC... i like it better than Mapis
[02:15] <TheHighChild> psyke83: server. The most recent Beta but it always says that Ethernet0 is disconnected. I was curious if it was a common problem
[02:15] <havoc> it's all apparently working now, although I haven't rebooted yet
[02:15] <james_xxx> Mepis*
[02:15] <psyke83> RadiantFire: I suggest it so that networkmanager can see the wireless card and allow it to be configured in a more userfriendly way
[02:15] <havoc> yeah, that was why
[02:15] <RadiantFire> psyke83: networkmanager can handle eth interfaces with wireless extensions
[02:15] <RadiantFire> to the best of my knowledge
[02:16] <psyke83> eth = wired, wlan=wireless, I think networkmanager only looks at wlan (and/or ath) interfaces
[02:16] <havoc> can iwconfig scan for networks?
[02:16] <RadiantFire> oh, network manager?
[02:16] <h3sp4wn> networkmanager is broken for ath
[02:16] <havoc> RadiantFire: knetworkmanager
[02:16] <RadiantFire> I can't make network-manager work on my comp
[02:16] <RadiantFire> it tanks on configuring interface
[02:16] <RadiantFire> i just use wireless assistant
[02:16] <RadiantFire> ethX devices work correctly in wireless assistant I think
[02:17] <RadiantFire> and you can iwlist an ethX device if it is registers as having wireless extensions
[02:17] <havoc> psyke83: bah, if it works now, I'm happy, I don't need knetworkmanager
[02:17] <h3sp4wn> If you are using atheros I have patched wpa_supplicant against madwifi-ng so it works with network manager (if you install madwifi-ng)
[02:17] <RadiantFire> not using atheros though
[02:17] <psyke83> havoc: alrighty then :)
[02:17] <TheHighChild> The new Dapper recognized my Atheros driver
[02:17] <james_xxx> by the way , i am happy with kubuntu on the comp i am using now (a Medion laptop) but... the GL screen savers will not work at all. not a big issue, but i would like to know why
[02:17] <psyke83> if you need to change networks, you can manually edit interfaces with the new information
[02:18] <havoc> psyke83: thanks a LOT though :)
[02:18] <RadiantFire> james_xxx: kde in ubuntu is still a liittle rought around the edges
[02:18] <RadiantFire> thahts all
[02:18] <psyke83> no problem, glad I helped
[02:18] <havoc> psyke83: this was really driving me nuts
[02:18] <h3sp4wn> TheHighChild: madwifi-old doesn't support scanning properly so you get random disconnects sometimes
[02:18] <RadiantFire> and cups is b0rked as hell on my machine for uknown reasons
[02:18] <havoc> I've been using nix for a long time now, but have just recently been able to afford wireless crap
[02:18] <RadiantFire> it can print the test page through a samba printer, but nothing else
[02:18] <psyke83> yeah, it frustrated me a lot trying to figure out wireless in ubuntu at first
[02:18] <RadiantFire> anyone know whats up?
[02:18] <james_xxx> RadiantFire: ok... that makes sense.... i hope it gets fixed , because i want to put kubuntu back on that PC
[02:19] <psyke83> havoc: just for a laugh, install kwifimanager, that may allow configuration via a gui as well.. but only if you want the functionality
[02:19] <TheHighChild> h3sp4wn: is that what it uses? I have no idea. I had Breezy and it took me 3 months til it worked on my IBMt42. I  fresh-installed Dapper and it works. Not optimized but working all the same.
[02:19] <havoc> psyke83: as long as I know the command I can read a man page ;)
[02:19] <psyke83> hehe, ok
[02:19] <havoc> psyke83: my problem is I don't know any of the commands for wireless stuff
[02:19] <psyke83> I'm more comfortable with the command line..
[02:19] <RadiantFire> havoc: all you need are iwconfig iwlist and ifconfig
[02:19] <havoc> I just learned about iwconfig yesterday
[02:20] <james_xxx> RadiantFire: i went out and bough an nvidia geforce mmx 4000 pci video card today... do you think i may have better luck if i install that?
[02:20] <psyke83> then "man iwconfig" should be enough
[02:20] <h3sp4wn> TheHighChild: It does madwifi-ng also supports super g properly (108 if your card supports that)
[02:20] <havoc> RadiantFire: yeah, iw<tab> :)
[02:20] <james_xxx> bought*
[02:20] <TheHighChild> wow, thanks h3sp4wn
[02:20] <Mongey> how do i install programs?
[02:20] <RadiantFire> james_xxx: maybe, my has an Nvidia 440Mx and is the sweetness with RenderAcell under the new drivers
[02:20] <psyke83> I dunno where the wireless commands are  documented as you're supposed to enter into the interfaces file, I learn by trial and error when I first started
[02:20] <RadiantFire> my other box
[02:20] <Dustin> can i limit upload on a process? like netlimiter for windows
[02:20] <h3sp4wn> TheHighChild: But 108 needs accesspoint support also
[02:20] <RadiantFire> I can get like 1k fps out of glxgears :-)
[02:20] <RadiantFire> its hot
[02:21] <Dustin> Mongey: what do you want to install
[02:21] <psyke83> RadiantFire: an Intel integrated chipset can get those speeds, that's nothing special :)
[02:21] <Mongey> a kxdocker plugin
[02:21] <psyke83> damn, I tweaked my r128 card to get 750fps, hehe
[02:21] <TheHighChild> h3sp4wn: I've never seen an advertyised 108 work even close to it's claims, however. I would settle for straigh-up 802.11b instead of my cards 802/11g
[02:21] <Mongey> gmail plugin
[02:22] <Dustin> have you checked adept?
[02:22] <havoc> nice, everything still works after a reboot
[02:22] <RadiantFire> psyke83: I coulnd't use render accel without hacking the hell out of my kernel modules, cuz the 7xxx nvidia series causes lockups with renderaccel
[02:22] <h3sp4wn> TheHighChild: Do you have an atheros based router ?
[02:22] <Dustin> it's the main way to install things on kubuntu........
[02:22] <james_xxx> RadiantFire: i know almost nothing about video cards, but i am thinking i may re-install kubuntu tonight (the 4th time) , run easyubuntu to get the nvidia drivers, and then install the geforce mmx 4000.... would that stand a good chance of working?? pardon the novice-type questions...
[02:22] <havoc> psyke83, h3sp4wn, Healot, RadiantFire: thank you all very much :)
[02:22] <RadiantFire> kernel panics are no fun
[02:22] <RadiantFire> james_xxx: I would recommend against easyubuntu
[02:22] <psyke83> RadiantFire: I've little experience with the nvidia kernel modules, I just hacked around with a really old tnt2 card
[02:22] <RadiantFire> james_xxx: the package you are looking for is nvidia-glx
[02:22] <psyke83> that uses the legacy modules too
[02:23] <h3sp4wn> TheHighChild: The atheros platform is the only one which supports it properly in hardware (uses all channels 1-11)
[02:23] <james_xxx> RadiantFire: ty
[02:23] <havoc> now to get captive installed, this'll be even more fun ;)
[02:23] <RadiantFire> i swear I saw sometihng floating around the ubuntu forums about full r/w on ntfs without captive
[02:23] <havoc> RadiantFire: yeah?
[02:24] <RadiantFire> fuse + libntfs8 or something like that
[02:24] <h3sp4wn> james_xxx: Automatix and easyubuntu are about as good/bad as each other however the code of Automatix is easier for me to understand so I would recommend it over easyubuntu
[02:24] <RadiantFire> they have a tendency to break nonstandard configs
[02:24] <havoc> RadiantFire: this is a dual boot machine, so ntfs.sys is available
[02:24] <TheHighChild> h3sp4wn: My integrated wireless is 54 MB/s (802.11G) my router is also 802.11G by Dlink(I know they suck) so I don't do the 108 MBps but I'd settle for getting 802.11b connectivity instead of the 1 MBps I've getting )tops)
[02:24] <psyke83> RadiantFire: I've tried that.. it works, but it has a 50% success rate with writes, and has a limit as to how many files per folder it can write.. and it screwed up my ntfs filesystem after all that...
[02:25] <RadiantFire> psyke83: really, I wrote like 10 200mb files to my windows partition and then booted it
[02:25] <reagleBRKLN> just install dapper, but when i plug in usb device, no prompts or automounts
[02:25] <reagleBRKLN> i remember with dapper tweaking a config file because i kept getting 2 automount... could that be the culprit?
[02:25] <psyke83> it's much faster than captive ntfs, but it's messed up my filesystem, leaving folders unmovable (and permissions can't be changed), and inexplicably system freezes, but chkdsk sees no errors
[02:25] <RadiantFire> psyke83: thats really wierd
[02:25] <james_xxx> h3sp4wn: ty
[02:25] <RadiantFire> that happened to me on a server once
[02:26] <RadiantFire> I couldn't delete a folder off ftp once
[02:26] <RadiantFire> said I didn't have permissions..
[02:26] <RadiantFire> Ii wonder if thats why
[02:26] <havoc> psyke83: faster, but broken; not very good ;)
[02:26] <psyke83> RadiantFire: I copied a few cd-sized files across, and although there was no outright filesystem corruption (lost files etc), there's "phantom" folders, and unmovable .Trash folder, and the system freezes
[02:26] <RadiantFire> wierdness
[02:26] <RadiantFire> oh well
[02:26] <RadiantFire> time to make attemp 5 at getting a working printer...
[02:27] <RadiantFire> sigh...
[02:27] <newuserak> how do i get kubuntu to recognize my pcmcia wifi card in the network settings?
[02:27] <Healot> NTFS write/delete from within linux using native linux apps seems wrong, way too wrong
[02:27] <RadiantFire> Healot: more proof that linux totally r0x0rz :-)
[02:27] <RadiantFire> i wish linux had support for UFS+ though
[02:27] <newuserak> if i type "lspci -v | less", it gives me this info on the card:
[02:28] <RadiantFire> UFS is a lighting quick filesystem
[02:28] <psyke83> newuserak: in the shell, type "iwconfig", does it show any cards?
[02:28] <newuserak> 0000:07:00.0 Ethernet controller: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. 88w8335 [Liberta
[02:28] <newuserak> s]  802.11b/g Wireless (rev 03)
[02:28] <newuserak>         Subsystem: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. 88w8335 [Libertas]  802.11b/g Wi
[02:28] <newuserak> reless
[02:28] <newuserak>         Flags: 66MHz, medium devsel, IRQ 10
[02:28] <newuserak>         Memory at 36000000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=64K] 
[02:28] <newuserak>         Memory at 36010000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=64K] 
[02:28] <newuserak>         Capabilities: <available only to root>
[02:28] <Healot> NTFS is for Windows (NT)... just leave it for NT...
[02:28] <erov> ouch
[02:28] <Healot> oi newuserak!
[02:28] <Healot> !paste
[02:28] <ubotu> Please do not flood the channel http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/ for pasting long texts it does not disrupt the channel. [webboard for Ubuntu: http://www.gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=1269 : not an offical package] .
[02:28] <erov> my scroll bar ;)
[02:28] <psyke83> newuserak: don't paste here, use http://pastebin.com
[02:28] <havoc> ok, silly question, how do I *disable* the root passwd? (I've already set it)
[02:29] <Healot> havoc: just set the password as empty
[02:29] <havoc> what needs to be in the second field of /etc/shadow?
[02:29] <havoc> Healot: it won't let me
[02:29] <Healot> or you can manuall edit the second field of shadow file where root entry is
[02:29] <Healot> and empty that value :-
[02:29] <havoc> Healot: it still prompts for passwd on su that way
[02:29] <psyke83> havoc: help newuserak, regurgitate everything I said in the last hour to you, hehe
[02:30] <havoc> psyke83: almost there ;)
[02:30] <havoc> psyke83: gimme another few days
[02:30] <psyke83> haha, just kidding
[02:30] <havoc> I suck up info quick, then regurgitate ;)
[02:31] <havoc> psyke83: the sad bit is that I've been a nix admin/user/developer for over a decade, but you can't know everything, and wireless in general is still new to *me*
[02:32] <newuserak> it knows the card is there and what its for, but it doesnt show up in the asistant or the network settings
[02:32] <Healot> Wifi bs is new for me too...
[02:32] <psyke83> newuserak: can you try installing kwifimanager or knetworkmanager?
[02:33] <newuserak> all i have is the wireless assistant that came with kubuntu, ill give those a try
[02:33] <psyke83> havoc: that's understandable, I've been a linux user for around 8 years, but I've only been exposed to wireless technology in the last year or so.. it was a pain in the arse to figure out the "proper" way to enable wireless in linux
[02:35] <havoc> psyke83: yeah, plus you also need to be able to afford the hardware (not that it's an issue now)
[02:35] <Jack_Sparrow> Hello All
[02:36] <havoc> ok, how do I remove the root passwd?
[02:36] <Kadran> hi Jack_Sparrow
[02:36] <havoc> I want to 'su' without a passwd
[02:36] <psyke83> my dad got broadband last year (when I was abroad), and when I came home he had set up his pc in my bedroom.. so I was having none of that, and introduced him to wireless technology, hehe
[02:36] <CaBlGuY> wuttup peeps..  o/
[02:37] <psyke83> naturally, he paid for the router et al ;)
[02:37] <Kadran> havoc: why you need the root anyway?
[02:37] <havoc> don't ask "why" :)
[02:37] <Healot> some people love the old way
[02:37] <CaBlGuY> havoc: no no, we need to be sure u don't kill your install..  ;)
[02:38] <psyke83> havoc: sudo passwd root
[02:38] <Jack_Sparrow> I needed it to put other drives fat 32 and ext3 on my desktop with read write ability
[02:38] <havoc> psyke83: nope, doesn't work
[02:38] <psyke83> hmm, it may be a security feature..
[02:38] <CaBlGuY> wussup Jack_Sparrow  o/
[02:38] <havoc> psyke83: yeah, I figured that :)
[02:38] <Kadran> havoc: ok :)
[02:39] <Jack_Sparrow> Just trying to learn the ins and outs of Ku
[02:39] <Healot> more input, Jack_Sparrow?
[02:39] <havoc> Kadran: the first time you do "rm -Rf blah *" as opposed to "rm -Rf blah*", you learn your lesson ;)
[02:39] <CaBlGuY> Jack_Sparrow:  Still.......  :op
[02:40] <havoc> Kadran: but I still want to su w/o a passwd
[02:40] <havoc> and ubuntu won't let me set a null passwd
[02:40] <Jack_Sparrow> I mostly wanted control of my files
[02:40] <CaBlGuY> Jack_Sparrow:  what files?
[02:40] <psyke83> havoc: no, you really learn the lesson when you figure out that ext3 can't undelete files, hehe
[02:41] <Jack_Sparrow> On other drives, pictures, music and more
[02:41] <havoc> heheh
[02:41] <havoc> psyke83: my clients have already learned *that* lesson ;)
[02:41] <psyke83> :)
[02:41] <CaBlGuY> Jack_Sparrow:  Ahh  I see..  is your other drive mounted yet?
[02:41] <Kadran> havoc: the first time i used kubuntu i wasn't comfartable about no root
[02:41] <havoc> so, I still need to know how to make ubuntu accept a null passwd
[02:41] <Jack_Sparrow> Yes I got a script that found them all and put them into the fstab
[02:41] <havoc> psyke83: lucky for them I have backups of *everything*
[02:42] <Jack_Sparrow> I then linked each drivr to an icon on the desktop
[02:42] <havoc> Kadran: I've already enabled root and set the passwd to 'bob'
[02:42] <CaBlGuY> Jack_Sparrow:  ahhh  good. so, u just need priv. to do stuff to your fiules..
[02:42] <havoc> I just don't want to use a passwd at all
[02:42] <Jack_Sparrow> What about backing up all of Ku?
[02:42] <CaBlGuY> *files
[02:42] <Jack_Sparrow> Yes, already set priv.s
[02:42] <psyke83> havoc: can you set your user account to use no password?
[02:42] <DrBair> havoc: i know its something with pam to do it
[02:43] <CaBlGuY> Jack_Sparrow:  :-O    Why on earth would u need to back up your whole install??
[02:43] <havoc> psyke83: nope, tried that already
[02:43] <JasonL> how can i learn about making packages for (K)ubuntu?
[02:43] <havoc> psyke83: not for a user or root
[02:43] <Jack_Sparrow> I also setup bookmark in Konq for all /media
[02:43] <Jack_Sparrow> On XP I often imaged the entire system
[02:44] <CaBlGuY> Jack_Sparrow:  well heck, u don't need no stinking help..  U got it all set up already it sounds like..
[02:44] <CaBlGuY> :p
[02:44] <Jack_Sparrow> Just wanting to get a verified image..
[02:44] <CaBlGuY> Jack_Sparrow:  well yea, I can understand that with winblowz..  ;)  but Linux is a tiny bit more stable.. :)
[02:44] <Jack_Sparrow> I tried the G4L Ghost 4 Linux
[02:45] <james_xxx> linux more stable??
[02:45] <Jack_Sparrow> I have had some image stability problems and had to go back a kernal
[02:45] <james_xxx> i dunno, not from my experience
[02:45] <CaBlGuY> Hmmmm  must b an echo in here or somethin..  :p
[02:45] <Jack_Sparrow> I have probably installed Ku 10 times this week
[02:45] <CaBlGuY> LOL
[02:45] <Jack_Sparrow> seeing how and where to break it
[02:45] <CaBlGuY> just this week huh??
[02:46] <james_xxx> Jack_Sparrow: i have installed Kub 4 times
[02:46] <JasonL> thats just the learning process
[02:46] <james_xxx> in 2 months
[02:46] <psyke83> havoc: how about editing your /etc/sudoers file?
[02:46] <CaBlGuY> see, that's why everyon should DL plain Ubuntu and THEN install KDE 3.5 from the base system..  lots better..
[02:46] <Jack_Sparrow> No big deal, rather learn on a fresh install as one I have spent hours tweaking
[02:46] <JasonL> first time i got linux i must of installed it 5 times in one day =P
[02:46] <CaBlGuY> dang, I've installed it once..  and had no problems so far...
[02:47] <JasonL> im just never happy with lil things and my mentality is "oh forget it, fresh install"
[02:47] <MikeMcA> I just installed kubuntu onto a system that had 2 bootable windows xp partitions on it.  Now I can boot into kubuntu and into the first xp partition (c drive), but I can't boot into the second xp partition (d drive).  Error message is <Windows root>\system32\hall.dll is missing or corrupt. It's neither, so presumably <Windows root> is set incorrectly.  Anyone got any ideas how I can fix?
[02:47] <james_xxx> i installed Kub on my desktop 4 times..... never worked right, and now it has simplyMEPIS running on it, and works better. bad part is, i still prefer Kub
[02:47] <CaBlGuY> LOL  @ JasonL   I used to be like that when I was younger.. ;)
[02:47] <JasonL> CaBIGuY, who do you do that? because in Kubuntu i have some annoying bugs, would installing ubuntu then KDE work better?
[02:47] <JasonL> well, i am young =)
[02:48] <JasonL> *how
[02:48] <CaBlGuY> !grub
[02:48] <ubotu> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/GrubHowto or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows or troubleshooting grub: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html#Troubleshooting
[02:48] <CaBlGuY> there ya go MikeMcA
[02:48] <MikeMcA> thanks
[02:48] <shawn__> hey whenever i try and install an app i get the following error during "./configure":
[02:48] <shawn__> configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths
[02:48] <shawn__> anyone know what i need to install
[02:48] <shawn__> ?
[02:48] <JasonL> please excuse my typos, late/early here, however you look at it :P
[02:49] <james_xxx> i installed Kub on the laptop i am using at the moment ONE time, and it has worked perfextly... and Xubuntu on an old desktop... also working very well
[02:49] <CaBlGuY> JasonL:  yes, in my opinion. Cause your installing the base system THEN installing KDE 3.5 form the devs..  seems to be way more stable than getting the Kubuntu CD's..
[02:49] <Jack_Sparrow> How much of the system is saved just by saving /home..  themes, added programs, wallpaper?
[02:49] <JasonL> i had kubuntu setup perfectly yesterday on this pc, then realised i have the logout bug, where the logout restarts the pc
[02:50] <JasonL> CaBIGuY, so do server install then install KDE?
[02:50] <DrBair> Jack_Sparrow: pretty much everything you didn't install from the repositories
[02:50] <JasonL> only thing with that is my xorg.conf is never setup right when a server install is done, but it wouldnt be hard to copy the one i have now to my other partition
[02:51] <CaBlGuY> JasonL:  if u wanna do it that way yes, I prefer to get the Ubuntu CD's but that's just me. So, yea, install Ub. then go to the package manager and install KDE3.5
[02:51] <CaBlGuY> easy..
[02:51] <CaBlGuY> no worries..
[02:51] <JasonL> but then you still have gnome installed
[02:51] <JasonL> and gnome apps show in kde
[02:52] <CaBlGuY> JasonL:  if you select it at install, if not, it's defualt desktop environment..
[02:52] <CaBlGuY> JasonL:  yes, and yes
[02:52] <JasonL> ok, now im really confused
[02:52] <CaBlGuY> LOL
[02:52] <JasonL> wheres the option to change the desktop environment?
[02:53] <CaBlGuY> JasonL:  just get Ubuntu base, install, then install KDE 3.5
[02:53] <CaBlGuY> easy...
[02:53] <CaBlGuY> JasonL:  it's on the log in screen,. lower left./.
[02:53] <CaBlGuY> JasonL:  U are using dapper, yes?
[02:53] <JasonL> yessum
[02:53] <CaBlGuY> OK,
[02:54] <Jack_Sparrow> Am I living dangerously having Ku installed on different drives on different partitions?
[02:54] <JasonL> right, so, install Ubuntu dapper
[02:54] <CaBlGuY> JasonL:  correct...
[02:54] <JasonL> then synaptic KDE 3.5
[02:54] <JasonL> then in login screen pick KDE
[02:54] <CaBlGuY> Jack_Sparrow:  Hmmmm  I dunno about that one...
[02:54] <CheeseBurgerMan> JasonL: After install Dapper, run 'sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop'
[02:54] <CaBlGuY> JasonL:  very good, u get an A for effort.. ;)
[02:54] <Jack_Sparrow> Seems to be working fine so far
[02:55] <CaBlGuY> CheeseBurgerMan:  be quiet, you'll confuse him more..
[02:55] <CaBlGuY> :p
[02:55] <JasonL> then can i remove ubuntu-desktop?
[02:55] <Jack_Sparrow> I can boot to either Ku (1) or (2) or XP
[02:55] <JasonL> and install KDM and remove GDM?
[02:55] <CheeseBurgerMan> Wait, if you just want KDE then install Kubuntu. No need to go with Ubuntu + KDE
[02:55] <JasonL> but Kubuntu has bugs
[02:55] <CaBlGuY> JasonL:  no, base system will stay..  it's the base system....
[02:55] <JasonL> ok
[02:55] <CaBlGuY> CheeseBurgerMan:  I got this, thank you...
[02:55] <CaBlGuY> :o|
[02:56] <JasonL> see it would annoy me having gnome there
[02:56] <chavo> Jack_Sparrow, I've got 3 ubuntu's, XP and Vista beta 2 on here
[02:56] <JasonL> i dont like having extra things taking space
[02:56] <NthDegree> poor chavo :(
[02:56] <CaBlGuY> JasonL:  it owuld also give u the option to try Gnome out IF you wanted..
[02:56] <CaBlGuY> NO biggy
[02:56] <NthDegree> missing out on a lot with 3 ubuntus
[02:56] <magicbronson> anyone know how to make it so double-clicking an icon in konqueror opens it instead of single-clicking?
[02:56] <JasonL> nevermind, ill just use my little work around for the logout bug
[02:56] <magicbronson> didn't see it in settings
[02:56] <robotgeek> magicbronson: somewhere in mouse settings
[02:57] <JasonL> system settings>mouse settings
[02:57] <CheeseBurgerMan> magicbronson: Control Center > Peripherals > Mouse
[02:57] <CaBlGuY> JasonL:  okey dokey...  your loss..  ;)   just tryin to help...
[02:57] <JasonL> =) =P
[02:57] <magicbronson> thanks
[02:57] <JasonL> i just do ctrl alt backspace to logout lol
[02:58] <CheeseBurgerMan> Why can't you do it normally?
[02:58] <CaBlGuY> the reason I say install Ub, base and THEN KDE is I see WAAAAY to many peeps havin treouble with Kubuntu and I have YET to have any issues with base install and I'm running KDE 3.5 right now as I speak...
[02:58] <Jack_Sparrow> THat seems odd
[02:58] <JasonL> well arent you a clever arse CaBIGuY =P
[02:58] <CheeseBurgerMan> Uh, there's no difference between Kubuntu and Ubuntu + KDE
[02:59] <CaBlGuY> JasonL:  word brotha man..  ;)
[02:59] <Jack_Sparrow> You have a ling to Ubuntu
[02:59] <Jack_Sparrow> link
[02:59] <word> CaBlGuY: ;p
[02:59] <CaBlGuY> CheeseBurgerMan:  yea, I know that..
[02:59] <CaBlGuY> :p
[02:59] <lunitik> CheeseBurgerMan: well... technically... Ubuntu + KDE would differ in that it would have GNOME installed also...
[02:59] <CaBlGuY> jack
[02:59] <CaBlGuY> yes...
[02:59] <Lunar_Raven> I use kabuntu and havent had a single problem
[02:59] <Lunar_Raven> o.o
[02:59] <Lunar_Raven> kubuntu even
[02:59] <CaBlGuY> Jack_Sparrow:  www.ubuntu.com
[03:00] <Jack_Sparrow> thanks, I'll go get it now.
[03:00] <CaBlGuY> Lunar_Raven:  I was about to say, what kabuntu..  :p
[03:00] <CheeseBurgerMan> lunitik: lol, true, even if it is mostly irrevliant. :)
[03:00] <JasonL> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdm/+bug/49064 i have that bug in kubuntu
[03:00] <Lunar_Raven> lol
[03:00] <Lunar_Raven> :D
[03:00] <CaBlGuY> ok, IM off to watch Dr Who die...
[03:00] <CaBlGuY> BBL
[03:00] <lunitik> CheeseBurgerMan: having GNOME and KDE installed results in ugly menu's... so it would hardly be irrelivant  :(
[03:01] <JasonL> what would the best way to setup my old pc as a fileserver, for linux and windows
[03:01] <JasonL> theres a small script to keep gnome apps in know and kde in kde...
[03:01] <CheeseBurgerMan> lunitik: Alright, fine. But that wouldn't make more bugs in KDE. :P
[03:02] <lunitik> JasonL: umm... install samba?
[03:02] <lunitik> JasonL: or pureftpd..
[03:02] <JasonL> is there a lovely guide for this :)
[03:02] <havoc> psyke83: sorry, wife was talking to me, and now guests are apparently coming over
[03:02] <JasonL> dont want ftp
[03:02] <lunitik> JasonL: google
[03:02] <JasonL> want it to be like a network drive sorta thing
[03:02] <havoc> the mull passwd this is a convinience thing anyway, and can be dealt with later
[03:02] <CheeseBurgerMan> JasonL: Install apache -- you can use http
[03:02] <lunitik> Lunar_Raven: I use Firefox... thats a GTK app on Linux  :(
[03:02] <JasonL> i want it to show up as another harddrive
[03:02] <Lunar_Raven> yeah, I use to use that a lot, it's nice, but for some reason lags me
[03:02] <lunitik> CheeseBurgerMan: HTTP file transfer is slower than FTP
[03:02] <Lunar_Raven> so now i use konqueror
[03:03] <Lunar_Raven> :o
[03:03] <psyke83> havoc: check out the sudoers file, and disable passwords, then you can use "sudo -s" without being prompted for a password
[03:03] <Lunar_Raven> but firefox is a good program
[03:03] <CheeseBurgerMan> lunitik: Shhhh, it still meets all the requirements. :P
[03:03] <havoc> psyke83: I don't want to 'sudo', I want to 'su'
[03:03] <lunitik> Lunar_Raven: Konqi sucks @ searching for pr0n
[03:03] <JasonL> i like using wget, it always gets my max download speed from my connection, http never does
[03:03] <Lunar_Raven> ahaha
[03:03] <lunitik> no seriously
[03:03] <Lunar_Raven> why does it?
[03:03] <havoc> psyke83: for now I'm just doing 'sudo su'
[03:04] <psyke83> havoc: "sudo -s" gives you root access, though..
[03:04] <lunitik> It doesn't know how to deal with redirects.
[03:04] <Lunar_Raven> oh
[03:04] <CheeseBurgerMan> havoc: As non-recommended as this is, run 'sudo passwd root'
[03:04] <Lunar_Raven> I haven't ran into that problem
[03:04] <Lunar_Raven> yet :O
[03:04] <psyke83> if you disable passwords in your sudoers file, it won't ask for a password at all
[03:04] <lunitik> psyke83: 'sudo -i ' is better
[03:04] <Lunar_Raven> i don't search for pr0n often, though
[03:04] <Lunar_Raven> lmao.
[03:04] <havoc> CheeseBurgerMan: did that a *long* time ago, but I want a null root passwd
[03:04] <havoc> psyke83: ah, ok
[03:05] <lunitik> havoc: technically, thats default on *ubuntu
[03:05] <havoc> lunitik: right, but how do I allow null passwds in ubuntu?
[03:05] <CheeseBurgerMan> havoc: No offense, by why would you want an activated root to have no password?
[03:05] <shawn__> hey whenever i try and install an app (Simple System Monitor, a kicker applet) i get the following error during "./configure":
[03:05] <havoc> psyke83: 'NOPASSWD"?
[03:05] <shawn__> configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths
[03:05] <psyke83> havoc: I think so
[03:05] <shawn__> anyone know what i need to install to avoid this?
[03:06] <JasonL> gah
[03:06] <havoc> CheeseBurgerMan: convinience/laziness/experience/physically-remotely-inaccessible-box
[03:06] <JasonL> why is it KDE is so much better but kubuntu is buggier for me than ubuntu is
[03:06] <havoc> psyke83: where?
[03:06] <psyke83> havoc: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-20724.html
[03:07] <psyke83> so it'd be "havoc ALL=NOPASSWD: ALL"
[03:07] <lunitik> JasonL: for one... Ubuntu is very much mainstream, very few tweaks... more mature software... KDE tends to be buggier anyways also
[03:07] <JasonL> =(
[03:07] <JasonL> but KDE is so much better
[03:07] <james_xxx> KDE is definitely buggy
[03:07] <JasonL> it has amarok!
[03:08] <lunitik> JasonL: Qt != KDE
[03:08] <havoc> psyke83: good enough I suppose
[03:08] <psyke83> havoc: then.. sudo rm /usr/sbin/su; sudo ln -s /usr/sbin/sudo su.. hehe
[03:08] <james_xxx> has anyone in here experimented with simplyMepis?
[03:08] <psyke83> oops, I messed it up, but you get the joke :P
[03:08] <Jack_Sparrow> Yes james_xxx
[03:08] <psyke83> you just need to remember to use sudo -s and not su
[03:08] <chavo> !xincludes
[03:08] <ubotu> When a program or configure script asks for "X includes", you should probably install the following packages: libx11-dev  libxext-dev  libxinerama-dev
[03:08] <james_xxx> Jack_Sparrow: what did you think?
[03:09] <Jack_Sparrow> I used it for years
[03:09] <Jack_Sparrow> but..
[03:09] <havoc> gah, visudo is linked to nano?
[03:09] <havoc> WTF?
[03:09] <lunitik> havoc: visudo uses $EDITOR
[03:09] <james_xxx> * didn't know Mepis had been around for years
[03:09] <Jack_Sparrow> Warren dumped everything he had done to switch to ubuntu and kde
[03:09] <havoc> lunitik: evil
[03:09] <psyke83> don't diss nano :P
[03:10] <lunitik> havoc: meh... just change your $EDITOR
[03:10] <havoc> psyke83: still won't work though
[03:10] <Jack_Sparrow> If he can port his work over he could have an outstanding product or it will die hard and fast
[03:10] <havoc> at leats not w/oi editing shadow manually
[03:10] <lunitik> Jack_Sparrow: no he didn't... he just uses a different base now (ubuntu-base instead of debian)
[03:10] <james_xxx> jack, i love kubuntu, but because of bugs and hardware conflicts, i just replaced kubuntu with Mepis on my desktop.... it sees to work better than kubuntu did, although i still like kubuntu better
[03:10] <lunitik> Jack_Sparrow: he still maintains his own KDE etc
[03:10] <psyke83> I think it should work.. once you're logged in as the user, the shadow won't be an issue, I think?
[03:10] <havoc> psyke83: no, still doesn't work at all
[03:10] <Jack_Sparrow> That wasnt what I had heard, I use 3.4.3
[03:11] <Jack_Sparrow> I heard 6 is entirely different
[03:11] <lunitik> james_xxx: that makes no sense
[03:11] <psyke83> havoc: you'd probably need to restart the session or pc entirely
[03:11] <james_xxx> Lunwhy is that?
[03:11] <james_xxx> lunitik: why do you say that?
[03:12] <lunitik> james_xxx: you like something you find to be buggy?
[03:12] <james_xxx> jack, kubuntu clashed badly with my intel video chip, mepis doesn't
[03:12] <james_xxx> lunitik: there is nothing non-sensical about that at all
[03:12] <acetyl_x> Hello again. My upgrade took *ages* with lots more messing about that I'd hoped for. But it's largely up and running. Except for Amarok. I've gotten 1.4 on there, but can't load the xine engine, which I believe is the recommended one, certainly for 6.06.
[03:12] <Jack_Sparrow> I also really like Knoppix
[03:12] <JasonL> is suse any better for kde than kubuntu?
[03:12] <acetyl_x> But it claims not to be able to initialise any audio drivers.
[03:12] <lunitik> acetyl_x: aptitude install libxine1c2
[03:13] <acetyl_x> I was expecting to faff about getting mp3 support, but this won't do anything.
[03:13] <acetyl_x> lunitik: It's installed.
[03:13] <lunitik> acetyl_x: ahh... audio works elsewhere?
[03:14] <james_xxx> Jack_Sparrow: are you expecting mepis to die?
[03:14] <acetyl_x> lunitik: Yep. In fact xine when launched at the command line works fine :)
[03:14] <lunitik> acetyl_x: more than one sound card?
[03:14] <lunitik> (onboard and card for instance)
[03:14] <newuserak> im pretty much an amateur at linux and wireless, but best i can tell, my card is recognized but has no driver (says UNCLAIMED and lists no configurations).  the ndiswrapper wiki does not list the card.  is there anything i can do?
[03:14] <acetyl_x> lunitik: nope. And besides, wouldn't I expect the engine to initialise even then?
[03:15] <lunitik> acetyl_x: no
[03:15] <Jack_Sparrow> no, I just wanted a head start on what warren might be working on.
[03:15] <lunitik> acetyl_x: strange though... I haven't had experiance with what you describe..
[03:15] <james_xxx> Jack_Sparrow: have you quit using mepis entirely?
[03:15] <acetyl_x> lunitik: I was thinking it would at least bring up the xine version of the engine tab (in Amarok) and then require fixing all those params.
[03:15] <lunitik> acetyl_x: my amarok is working though
[03:16] <tburdick> whats the package for xorg
[03:16] <tburdick> somehow, I don't have xorg anymore...
[03:16] <lunitik> tburdick: x-window-system-core
[03:16] <acetyl_x> lunitik: Well, ah, I'm happy for you :)
[03:16] <tburdick> thank you
[03:17] <lunitik> acetyl_x: why thank you... idg whats wrong with your install though  :(
[03:17] <tburdick> bad news
[03:17] <tburdick> it says its installed
[03:17] <tburdick> and I have no x still...
[03:17] <lunitik> tburdick: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and do it right this time?
[03:18] <acetyl_x> tburdick: If you're using kde, try selecting apt-get install kde kdm
[03:18] <acetyl_x> tburdick: It ought to pull in all the x stuff too
[03:18] <Kyral> huuuu
[03:18] <acetyl_x> lunitik: What do you use?
[03:18] <Kyral> whats wrong with Apt-Get
[03:18] <tburdick> whats with the ridiculous names by the way x-window-somethingsomething
[03:18] <lunitik> acetyl_x: aptitude - entirely more intelligent
[03:18] <Kyral> beats the snot outta Adept and Synaptic
[03:19] <tburdick> and thanks lunitik
[03:19] <lunitik> Kyral: try aptitude - for instance next time apt-get bitches about conflicts etc
[03:19] <acetyl_x> Meh, I'm pretty sure most of them call apt, which in turn of course calls dpkg. And an apt-get suggestion is quick to type :)
[03:19] <Kyral> lunitik: honestly on my desktop systems I use Arch :P
[03:20] <lunitik> apt-get = wget on crack ... aptitude = actual package management
[03:20] <mykone> hello
[03:20] <Kyral> my server runs Debian, but I don't install things anymore so apt-get upgrade is happy :D
[03:20] <acetyl_x> lunitik: dpkg does the package management, everything else is an interface
[03:20] <mykone> i am using Dapper LTS. I need help with getting amarok to play mp3. xine is the engine but it aint playing
[03:21] <CheeseBurgerMan> mykone: try 'sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs'
[03:21] <apokryphos> mykone: /msg ubotu faq
[03:21] <shawn__> you need libxine-extracodecs
[03:21] <shawn__> mykone: you need libxine-extracodecs
[03:21] <acetyl_x> mykone: Is the engine loading okay? If so https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[03:21] <mykone> cool thanks.. going to do that.. brb.
[03:21] <acetyl_x> mykone: And if your xine engine is loading, I can only say grrrr
[03:22] <lunitik> acetyl_x: not what I meant...
[03:23] <lunitik> acetyl_x: all apt-get really provides is dep solving... aptitude offers more advanced things... like cleaning up after itself... conflict resolution... etc
[03:23] <sdolnack> i'm trying to configure these multimedia buttons on the front of my machine but it just doens't seem to be working
[03:24] <ljimmy> apt-get can clean as well
[03:25] <mykone>  I am getting this: Package libxine-extracodecs is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[03:25] <lunitik> ljimmy: I don't mean "apt-get clean" or "apt-get autoclean"... I mean it will remove packages that aren't needed anymore...
[03:26] <mykone> do  I use apt-get install libxine-extracodecs or is it somewhere else?
[03:26] <lunitik> mykone: you need multiverse activated
[03:26] <mykone> shawn__: did you see my messages?
[03:26] <mykone> lunitik: it is.
[03:26] <lunitik> mykone: then yes..
[03:26] <CheeseBurgerMan> mykone: http://packages.ubuntu.com/dapper/libs/libxine-extracodecs Download the package and manually install it.
[03:26] <apokryphos> mykone: sudo apt-get update first
[03:27] <mykone> k
[03:27] <shawn__> sorry i was afk mykone
[03:27] <apokryphos> lunitik: aptitude isn't perfect, it does some things by default that aren't really ideal
[03:28] <apokryphos> like automatically installing depends
[03:28] <lunitik> apokryphos: you mean recommends?
[03:28] <mykone> i have this line in sources.lst: Package libxine-extracodecs is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[03:28] <apokryphos> lunitik: sorry, yes
[03:28] <mykone> this means multiverse is on.
[03:28] <lunitik> apokryphos: so you prefer things to not work?
[03:28] <lunitik> cool
[03:28] <apokryphos> lunitik: err, by definition the package should work without a recommend
[03:28] <shawn__> mykone: you need to make sure that everywhere it says "universe" you put "multiverse" after it
[03:29] <mykone> shawn__: same prob about package having different name.
[03:29] <lunitik> apokryphos: you can easily turn that off anyways... but its recommended for a reason
[03:29] <apokryphos> lunitik: otherwise it's a dependency, not a recommendation.
[03:29] <mykone> shawn__: checking....
[03:29] <lunitik> apokryphos: recommends tend to not be needed... but provide functionality...
[03:29] <apokryphos> lunitik: many times it's silly to automatically install all recommends; when packages recommend a locale, and hence list them all, aptitude will happily grab and install every single locale for you
[03:29] <apokryphos> very handy, eh
[03:30] <lunitik> apokryphos: for instance... apollon recommends giftd ... it doesn't NEED it to install... but its useless without it
[03:30] <apokryphos> then it shouldn't be packaged that way
[03:30] <sdolnack> anyonehere using kmilo?
[03:30] <lunitik> apokryphos: there are about 200 instances that are simular in the repo... you want to change them all?
[03:30] <apokryphos> what?
[03:31] <CheeseBurgerMan> Uh, 200?
[03:31] <mykone> shawn__: thanks... adding multiverse to two lines at top worked.. :)
[03:31] <lunitik> CheeseBurgerMan: easily
[03:31] <mykone> i now have libxine-extracodecs.. gonna give amarok a try.. brb.
[03:31] <lunitik> Out of about 17,000 packages....
[03:31] <CheeseBurgerMan> luksan: Oops, I thought it was mykone talking about his sources.list
[03:31] <CheeseBurgerMan> hehe
[03:31] <shawn__> no worries, should be good as long as you have xine installed :D
[03:31] <apokryphos> lunitik: I doubt there is, but it's pretty obvious that if an application is useless without something it should be packaged as a dependency
[03:32] <lunitik> apokryphos: a dependency is something that is REQUIRED TO RUN
[03:32] <mykone> i love ubuntu..
[03:32] <mykone> shawn__: thanks dude..
[03:32] <apokryphos> lunitik: I disagree
[03:32] <lunitik> apokryphos: its just useless when you run it without recommends
[03:32] <lunitik> apokryphos: developers.debian.org
[03:32] <mykone> all you guys that helped.. thanks alot.. TTFN
[03:32] <lunitik> apokryphos: look it up
[03:32] <shawn__> no worries, im quite enjoying kubuntu myself after switching from fc4
[03:33] <shawn__> except for not being able to manually compile
[03:33] <mykone> trying to ditch XP completely..
[03:33] <CheeseBurgerMan> shawn__: Did you install build-essential?
[03:33] <shawn__> i did, but just cause i dont play games
[03:33] <lunitik> shawn__: aptitude source foo
[03:33] <shawn__> yeah, i always get this error during configure:
[03:33] <mykone> so far everything is working ok.. i heard about a script called easyubuntu which suppose to install everything for you.. is that true?
[03:33] <shawn__> configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths
[03:33] <sdolnack> or LinEAK?
[03:33] <CheeseBurgerMan> !xincludes
[03:33] <ubotu> When a program or configure script asks for "X includes", you should probably install the following packages: libx11-dev  libxext-dev  libxinerama-dev
[03:34] <apokryphos> lunitik: you'd have to expand on run; amaroK depends on amarok-xine; you think it requires it to run?
[03:34] <luksan> CheeseBurgerMan: ?
[03:34] <apokryphos> lunitik: once again, amarok will start up and "run" just fine, it'll just be useless without an engine though
[03:35] <CheeseBurgerMan> luksan: Oh crap. Wrong person, sorry. :(
[03:35] <lunitik> apokryphos: Amarok depends amarok-xine | amarok-engine
[03:35] <luksan> CheeseBurgerMan: no prob
[03:35] <lunitik> apokryphos: without an engine of any kind... amarok seg faults
[03:35] <apokryphos> lunitik: I've had no engines listed before, I didn't get a segfault
[03:35] <shawn__> i have libx11-dev  libxext-dev  and libxinerama-dev installed, but no luck
[03:36] <lunitik> apokryphos: then you got lucky?
[03:36] <apokryphos> lunitik: several times?
[03:36] <lunitik> apokryphos: I've done it, and always had it segfault... idk what you did
[03:37] <lunitik> apokryphos: compile it without engines to test...
[03:37] <apokryphos> it doesn't compile without an engine, I know
[03:37] <lunitik> apokryphos: it won't run without an engine
[03:37] <shawn__> i read somewhere that it may be that i need kdebase-dev, but i can't get that to install (i eventually get to a required package that isnt found)
[03:37] <apokryphos> either way, always installing recommendations is certainly not practical
[03:37] <lunitik> apokryphos: yes it will
[03:37] <apokryphos> it might be in some cases
[03:37] <JasonL> where are you actually ment to install programs to in linux?
[03:38] <apokryphos> lunitik: I've tried it, and it always didn't let me, don't know what you did
[03:38] <lunitik> apokryphos: ummm... when was the last time you tried?
[03:38] <apokryphos> don't recall
[03:39] <lunitik> apokryphos: I compiled 1.5 before there were packages... and it let me... much to my annoyance
[03:39] <apokryphos> this would have at the most been 1.3
[03:39] <apokryphos> 1.5 is erm, not stable or even released, so kind of hard to generalise on that
[03:40] <lunitik> apokryphos: Amarok latest is 1.5.1 last I checked
[03:40] <apokryphos> lunitik: I think you mean 1.4
[03:40] <apokryphos> and 1.4.1 isn't out yet
[03:40] <apokryphos> soon though
[03:41] <acetyl_x> Amarok runs without a real engine, because it always has the void engine to fall back on
[03:41] <lunitik> ahhh... I meant 1.4.x ... getting confused with Koffice release
[03:41] <apokryphos> 8)
[03:41] <acetyl_x> KOffice is useless, it doesn't play *any* of my oggs :P
[03:42] <apokryphos> acetyl_x: I can see how vital that would be to general word processing, for example :P
[03:42] <acetyl_x> apokryphos: Now why would I want to do a thing like that? Sounds *awfully* like work.
[03:42] <lunitik> I'm pretty sure I had it play an MP3 once via Insert Object
[03:42] <apokryphos> acetyl_x: it will at least be able to play in your file > open dialog
[03:43] <apokryphos> and it'll even play your videos there for you
[03:43] <acetyl_x> lunitik: Well as soon as I said it I realised that actually, the presentation tool would be bound to do it, but shush, don't pick holes
[03:43] <lunitik> acetyl_x: haha
[03:44] <regeya> now what fine piece of software are y'all picking on
[03:44] <CheeseBurgerMan> apokryphos and lunitik can use KWord for their music if they want to. I'm sticking with Amarok. ;)
[03:44] <acetyl_x> Anyhow, thanks for the help, time to get back to work, reviewing pornography.
[03:44] <havoc> psyke83: anyway, I solved the null passwd thing
[03:44] <lunitik> acetyl_x: reviewing? mhmm
[03:44] <lunitik> acetyl_x: have fun
[03:44] <apokryphos> lunitik: start-up problems not resolved and massive synchs are yet to begin
[03:44] <acetyl_x> lunitik: Oh yes indeed. I get paid for it and everything
[03:44] <acetyl_x> cheerio
[03:45] <regeya> kword!  I haven't used that in quite some time.  I should again.
[03:45] <apokryphos> regeya: it's getting good
[03:45] <lunitik> regeya: 1.5.x is nice  :P
[03:46] <apokryphos> http://kubuntu.org/announcements/koffice-151.php
[03:47] <word> is there a utility to search for bad sectors and then partition them off in linux?
[03:50] <sdolnack> i'm getting xlib errors trying to run lineak
[03:50] <sdolnack> any suggestions?
[03:57] <sdolnack> how do i stop a program?
[03:57] <sdolnack> is there a command?
[03:57] <sdolnack> or stop a service that's running?
[03:57] <Kadran> sdolnack: did you choosed your keyboard?
[03:57] <Hobbsee> killall programname
[03:58] <sdolnack> yeah
[03:58] <sdolnack> i get this huge xlib error
[03:59] <sdolnack> the amaroK commands work but nto the kmix ones
[03:59] <sdolnack> is there a way to stop lineak and trhen start it again?
[03:59] <Kadran> you can do it all from klineakdconfig
[03:59] <Kadran> and if you want to kill it 'killall lineakd'
[04:00] <sdolnack> klineakconfig gives me a long error as well
[04:01] <sdolnack> i'm seeing xkeyboard and xkbsetmap repeated a lot
[04:01] <sdolnack> and major opcode of failed request
[04:02] <Kadran> sdolnack: i don't know, it worked with me so easy, try to run lineakd in  a debagger to see the problem
[04:02] <sdolnack> X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168
[04:02] <sdolnack> hmm
[04:02] <sdolnack> damn
[04:02] <sdolnack> how do i run that, in a debugger?
[04:13] <sdolnack> why is it that when i sometimes open things inkwrite i get all these sorts of errors in the terminal (yet the program works fine)
[04:16] <bdmp> I just did an dist-upgrade and after restarting I have a gray screen with lines and the mouse. Looks like it is just X. How do I fix this?
[04:16] <CheeseBurgerMan> bdmp: try running 'sudo /etc/init.d/kdm start' to start kdm
[04:18] <bdmp> command not sound
[04:18] <bdmp> found
[04:18] <toomanyKwestions> is this the place to ask about wireless problem?
[04:19] <reagleBRKLN> hi, when i plug a usb device in kubuntu dapper, nothing happens on the desktop?!
[04:19] <CheeseBurgerMan> bdmp: Try 'sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start'
[04:19] <reagleBRKLN> it is available in syslog
[04:20] <reagleBRKLN> [4294927.683000]   sde: sde1
[04:20] <reagleBRKLN> [4294927.645000]    Vendor: FUJIFILM  Model: USB-DRIVEUNIT     Rev: 1.00 ...
[04:20] <reagleBRKLN> what in kde 3.5.3 should be paying attention to that?
[04:20] <bdmp> sorry, I didn't see that . Kdm is not the default display manager so I am going to do gnome
[04:20] <bdmp> starting>>>
[04:21] <bdmp> CheeseBurgerMan: how do I get  back to the gui from ctrl+alt+f2?
[04:21] <reagleBRKLN> does this work for any other kubuntu/dapper/3.5.3 users?
[04:21] <toomanyKwestions> ctrl+alt+f7
[04:22] <bdmp> reagleBRKLN: I have had that problem before too
[04:22] <toomanyKwestions> actually just alt+f7 seems to work too
[04:22] <bdmp> somtimes it just works
[04:22] <reagleBRKLN> bdmp: yuck...
[04:22] <bdmp> upgrade to dapper
[04:22] <bdmp> !upgrade
[04:22] <reagleBRKLN> bdmp: i am dapper
[04:22] <ubotu> Upgrading to Ubuntu 5.10 breezy -> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgrade. Upgrading to Ubuntu 6.06 Dapper -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperUpgrades . Note: gksudo "update-manager -d" always updates to the latest development verison: (eft when its open)
[04:22] <bdmp> ok
[04:22] <bdmp> sorry
[04:23] <reagleBRKLN> that's what broke it
[04:23] <Hobbsee> reagleBRKLN: what's the problem, sorry?
[04:23] <reagleBRKLN> Hobbsee: when i plug a usb device in kubuntu dapper, nothing happens on the desktop
[04:23] <Hobbsee> toomanyKwestions: sure
[04:23] <reagleBRKLN> no popup to ask what to do with it, no automount, etc.
[04:24] <Hobbsee> reagleBRKLN: hmmm...that again?
[04:24] <toomanyKwestions> thanks hobbsee
[04:24] <Hobbsee> reagleBRKLN: i cant reproduce that - it may well be a config file problem...
[04:24] <toomanyKwestions> using wireless assistant: for some reason a i can't connect to my wireless network
[04:24] <reagleBRKLN> i remember editing something to get rid of redundant pop-ups when i first moved to breezy -- but just tried with fresh .kde directory and still nothing
[04:24] <toomanyKwestions> i know the network is fine
[04:24] <Hobbsee> toomanyKwestions: any type of encryption on it?
[04:25] <Hobbsee> reagleBRKLN: weird...its' working here
[04:25] <toomanyKwestions> and my airport works at work
[04:25] <bdmp> CheeseBurgerMan: that worked but I have an xubuntu log in screen, strange. How do I make that come up when I turn on the comp?
[04:25] <toomanyKwestions> yeah
[04:25] <toomanyKwestions> wep
[04:25] <Hobbsee> toomanyKwestions: can you set WEP passphrases in WLA?  I dont remember
[04:25] <reagleBRKLN> is there some log to watch to see if dbus/hal/KDE/etc is paying attention?
[04:25] <Hobbsee> you might want to try knetworkmanager
[04:25] <toomanyKwestions> yeah, i don't think it's an authentication thign
[04:25] <Hobbsee> hmmm...
[04:26] <toomanyKwestions> you go through a config to enter the key firts time
[04:26] <CheeseBurgerMan> bdmp: I'm not sure why it's not starting up. Is kdm or gdm your default display manager?
[04:26] <toomanyKwestions> it's been buggy at work too.  Says it failed, but when you close and open it it's on
[04:26] <toomanyKwestions> there's no competition there, but here in town there are a whole bunch of crappy unsecured networks it defaults to
[04:26] <bdmp> It seem that gdm is because it said kde wasn't and then gnome worked. but the log in screen said xubuntu.
[04:27] <bdmp> weird
[04:27] <bdmp> I guess if I reinstall kubuntu-desktop it will fix the problem
[04:35] <shawn__> ok, seriously, using aptitude instead of apt-get made my life so much easier
[04:35] <shawn__> i just had to share
[04:36] <Rede_> i can now compile from source :D
[04:37] <robotgeek> !compile
[04:37] <ubotu> A nice howto about compiling software from source code can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CompilingSoftware (but remember to search !apt first, after adding all the !repos)
[04:37] <robotgeek> Rede_: ^^
[04:39] <Rede_> i got it working, i needed kdebase-dev but i had updated software which wouldnt let me install the packages i needed. aptitude made it work (even tho ive got some old packages now)
[04:41] <tom__> hello?
[04:41] <robotgeek> hey tom__
[04:41] <tom__> i have a linux question
[04:41] <neoxan> hug me
[04:41] <MasterEvilAce> just ask tom :)
[04:41] <neoxan> :)
[04:41] <tom__> i'm trying to change my screen resolution, but i don't know how
[04:41] <robotgeek> tom__, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[04:41] <neoxan> :o)
[04:42] <robotgeek> tom__: or in dapper, you can change from system settings, i think
[04:42] <neoxan> yeah, you can
[04:42] <tom__> i looked around in there, but i didn't see it
[04:42] <tom__> on the live cd, i could right click on the desktop, but i can't now that it is installed
[04:42] <robotgeek> tom__: you can't right click?
[04:43] <tom__> it doesn't seem to do anything
[04:43] <_amy> ok I have a quick question
[04:43] <tom__> on the desktop at least, i can right click on other things
[04:43] <_amy> where do I go to find new themes for my desktop
[04:44] <Rede_> if you're using kubuntu you change teh resolution in KMenu->System Settings->Display
[04:47] <Steven_M> _amy do you have access to kcontrol's theme manager?
[04:47] <tom__> rede, i found where i can change the resolution in the system settings, but it won't let me increase the resolution from 640x480
[04:48] <robotgeek> tom__: then run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and change the resolution
[04:49] <tom__> robotgeek, i started to but i wasn't sure how much ram was on my card
[04:49] <_amy> steven: I have no clue i am brand new to kde and linux
[04:50] <Steven_M> ok, I'll try to gude you through it. I'm a slow typer so please standby
[04:51] <_amy> ok
[04:51] <Rede_> tom__: you need to enter administrator mode
[04:52] <tom__> okay, how do i do that
[04:52] <tom__> i know you can type sudo on the cmd line, but i'm not sure how to when making changes in the gui
[04:53] <Rede_> theres a button on the bottom that says admin mode
[04:54] <imbrandon> tom, you dont need to know how much ram is on the card, you can just leave it blank
[04:55] <imbrandon> it says that in the paragraph above
[04:55] <imbrandon> the option
[04:55] <tom__> ok, i clicked the admin button, but i still can't change the resolution
[04:55] <tom__> i'll try the cmd line again as suggested
[04:55] <Rede_> hmm im not sure then sorry :(
[04:56] <Rede_> it worked fine for me :\
[04:56] <Steven_M> _amy: 1st of all, does your k menu have a Settings menu with a spaner icon on it under the actions part of the kmenu?
[04:56] <tom__> config.dat is locked by another process
[04:57] <Rede_> tom: do you still have the settings gui open?
[04:57] <tom__> no, i closed it before i typed the command
[04:58] <_amy> no steven I don't see it there
[05:02] <Steven_M> _amy: ok, please right on the kmenu and select configure panel
[05:03] <_amy> ok
[05:03] <Steven_M> I ment right-click
[05:03] <Steven_M> *meant
[05:03] <_amy> gotcha
[05:04] <Steven_M> do you see a menu tab now?
[05:04] <_amy> yes
[05:06] <_amy> I did find it now
[05:06] <Steven_M> click on that and you'll see a list of menu's with checkboxes on them
[05:06] <_amy> yep
[05:07] <Steven_M> so you've place checkbox in the Settings menu?
[05:07] <_amy> yep
[05:07] <_amy> and finally found the themes
[05:08] <_amy> <} ty so much
[05:08] <Steven_M> cool :)
[05:09] <Steven_M> do you see the link for get new themes inside the theme manager?
[05:09] <_amy> yep
[05:10] <Steven_M> Awesome :)
[05:13] <_amy> now just waiting on the one I downloaded to install
[05:13] <Steven_M> cool
[05:14] <Steven_M> _amy:  may I ask where you're from?
[05:14] <_amy> Missouri
[05:16] <Steven_M> cool. I'm from New Zealand, nice to meet you. :)
[05:17] <dr_willis> A/S/L (jokeing)
[05:17] <_amy> nice to meet you too
[05:17] <_amy> lol @ dr_willis
[05:17] <Steven_M> ta :)
[05:18] <_amy> brb afk
[05:25] <apoc0106> can anyone help me with OSS driver to get my sound card working... it seems there is always a compiling error
[05:26] <apoc0106> i am new to this and need help
[05:26] <dr_willis> apoc0106,  what sound card?
[05:26] <apoc0106> ac97
[05:26] <apoc0106> one of those cards that has modem and sound built in
[05:26] <apoc0106> older pc
[05:27] <dr_willis> Im thinking thats not really a chipset/name for a sound card.. thats more of a 'generic name'
[05:27] <crimsun_> ac97 is a spec, not a chipset
[05:27] <apoc0106> ok how can i find out
[05:27] <dr_willis> yea.. a spec.. thats the term
[05:27] <dr_willis> :P
[05:27] <dr_willis> lspci  and see what it says
[05:27] <crimsun_> apoc0106: you asked for help on oss. Did you mean that?
[05:27] <crimsun_> (kubuntu uses alsa, not oss)
[05:28] <dr_willis> oss is old and going away.
[05:28] <apoc0106> Multimedia audio controller: Rockwell International: Unknown device                                                                                                    4310
[05:28] <apoc0106> 0000:00:0e.1 Communication controller: Rockwell International Riptide HSF 56k PC                                                                                                   I Modem
[05:28] <apoc0106> there u go guys
[05:28] <dr_willis> and from what ive heard every oss card should be supported in alsa these days
[05:28] <crimsun_> yeah, that one won't work with alsa or oss
[05:28] <crimsun_> oss/free, that is
[05:28] <dr_willis> crimsun_,  heh heh :)
[05:28] <crimsun_> you can try www.opensound.com
[05:28] <regeya> aye; however, oss is also still used in other OSes, so hopefully oss emulation won't go away for a while
[05:28] <regeya> lol
[05:28] <apoc0106> crimsun_, i know i downloaded the driver from opensound
[05:28] <dr_willis> time to spend $30 for a nice new creative card eh?
[05:28] <crimsun_> you'll need build-essential and linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[05:28] <apoc0106> i just need help with that
[05:28] <apoc0106> it never compiles
[05:29] <dr_willis> its provberly so old and out of date...
[05:29] <apoc0106> but i thought llinux thrives on older stuff
[05:29] <crimsun_> apoc0106: ...for which there are /open/ data sheets, yes
[05:30] <apoc0106> i know its doable... i think its a probelm with the gcc.... someone helped with it b4, but i cant remmeber how to do it
[05:31] <apoc0106> no idea how to help compile it guys?
[05:32] <dr_willis> we are not maggicians. :P
[05:32] <dr_willis> or wizards either.
[05:32] <crimsun_> apoc0106: telepathy is a /hard/ art  </barbie>
[05:32] <dr_willis> t pays to take noted.
[05:32] <dr_willis> take notes. :P
[05:32] <apoc0106> crimsun_, what does that mean
[05:32] <crimsun_> apoc0106: we can't guess what you're asking for
[05:33] <Trae> crimsun_, good evening
[05:33] <crimsun_> apoc0106: i.e., provide us with your commands and their outputs
[05:33] <crimsun_> Trae: hi
[05:33] <Trae> crimsun_, what it be like and stuff? :)
[05:33] <apoc0106> ok one moment
[05:33] <Trae> *chuckle*
[05:33] <crimsun_> Trae: at work, finished moving, taking the evening off to fight w/ a usb dvd-rom
[05:34] <Trae> crimsun_, you moved, where to?
[05:34] <Trae> crimsun_, I did another 1/2 Ironman this past Sunday.
[05:34] <crimsun_> Trae: moved apartments in-town (roommate's leaving)
[05:34] <Trae> crimsun_, ahhh
[05:34] <crimsun_> Trae: cool, how did it go?
[05:34] <Trae> crimsun_, moving isn't fun, but can be exciting.
[05:34] <Onetrack> 'lo.. anyone able to get flash installed.. mine just hangs forever..
[05:34] <CaBlGuY> ok, so, what did I miss??
[05:34] <Trae> crimsun_, 7 hours 37mins
[05:34] <Trae> crimsun_, I was under-trained for it.
[05:34] <crimsun_> Trae: nice :)
[05:34] <Trae> but I finished
[05:34] <Trae> :)
[05:35] <crimsun_> Trae: yeah, and experience is a /good/ thing
[05:35] <Trae> by comparison, the last one I did was 6hours and 50mins
[05:35] <CaBlGuY> Onetrack:  yep..     U got it installed?
[05:35] <Onetrack> cablguy: no.. it just hangs.. <0.6kb/sec.. been trying to install it for a week
[05:36] <Steven_M> does anyone know of way to change the defult permissions for newly created folders? eg automatically make all new folders 600?
[05:36] <Trae> crimsun_, should I be able to upgrade a breezy machine fairly easy?
[05:36] <Onetrack> tried both apt and adept.. even going to the site @ adobe.com.. just hangs, refuses to install
[05:36] <crimsun_> Trae: /should/
[05:36] <Trae> crimsun_, or is it recommended to nuke and re-install?
[05:36] <Trae> ahhh
[05:36] <Trae> "should"
[05:36] <Trae> :)
[05:36] <CaBlGuY> Onetrack:  open your terminal and type this,  sudo apt-get install flash  You'll need your root pass
[05:36] <Trae> triple my money back if I ain't satisfied!
[05:36] <dr_willis> steve im thinking it has somthing to do with 'umask' but ive never messed with it much.
[05:37] <Onetrack> isn't it flashplayer-nonfree ?
[05:37] <Onetrack> or flashplugin-nonfree
[05:37] <Steven_M> ok, thanks anyway
[05:37] <crimsun_> Onetrack: the latter
[05:37] <CaBlGuY> there ya go
[05:37] <CaBlGuY> byt be sure to use the sud apt-get
[05:37] <Trae> crimsun_, you working for Canonical yet?
[05:37] <Onetrack> thats what i do.. and it hangs.. .......
[05:37] <CaBlGuY> *sudo
[05:37] <crimsun_> Trae: nope :)
[05:37] <Trae> crimsun_, and if not you should be.
[05:38] <Onetrack> Unpacking flashplugin-nonfree (from .../flashplugin-nonfree_7.0.63.3ubuntu3_i386.deb) ...
[05:38] <Onetrack> Setting up flashplugin-nonfree (7.0.63.3ubuntu3) ...
[05:38] <Onetrack> it'll sit there for hours
[05:38] <CaBlGuY> Onetrack:  what distro ya got?
[05:38] <Onetrack> the one the channels named after
[05:38] <crimsun_> Onetrack: then it's not succeeding in downloading the plugin
[05:38] <CaBlGuY> so, your running dapper then yes?
[05:38] <Onetrack> aye
[05:38] <CaBlGuY> ok, do this..
[05:38] <CaBlGuY> sudo apt-get install update
[05:38] <michelleindeed> I'm having issues with amaroK not recognizing my wmas... I just upgraded to dapper and amaroK 1.4 (obviously) but they still aren't in my collection.
[05:39] <CaBlGuY> and the upgrade
[05:39] <CaBlGuY> err, I don't think u need install on that actually.. :p
[05:39] <michelleindeed> There's too many of them to replace all of the files with mp3s or better, but still.
[05:39] <crimsun_> michelleindeed: are said WMAs un-DRMed?
[05:40] <michelleindeed> If I knew what you meant by that, I could answer..
[05:40] <Trae> back in a bit.
[05:40] <crimsun_> michelleindeed: are they enciphered with some key?
[05:40] <CaBlGuY> Hobbsee:  U awake???
[05:40] <michelleindeed> I'm new to linux and kubuntu, and I don't know what you mean by that either. Kick me in the shin.
[05:41] <crimsun_> michelleindeed: enciphered->encrypted
[05:41] <Onetrack> michelleindeed, in dapper try this : worked for me.. http://linox.be/index.php/2006/05/19/ubuntu_dapper_w32codecs_and_co/
[05:41] <michelleindeed> Not that I know of
[05:41] <Hobbsee> CaBlGuY: yeah
[05:41] <CaBlGuY> there ya go..  ;P
[05:41] <crimsun_> lies, Hobbsee's playing with fire.
[05:41] <CaBlGuY> Hobbsee:  wuttup gurl!  :p
[05:41] <Hobbsee> hehe
[05:41] <michelleindeed> CablGuY: thanks.
[05:41] <Hobbsee> crimsun_: now *that's* what i should have done!
[05:41] <CaBlGuY> michelleindeed: anytime.. ;)
[05:42] <michelleindeed> Onetrack: let me peek at that
[05:42] <CaBlGuY> Onetrack:  u gettin the update?
[05:42] <Onetrack> cablguy .. nada to upgrade.. 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[05:42] <Hobbsee> CaBlGuY: not a lot - might go read a book for a while, or something
[05:42] <sdolnack> anyone help me config amaroK?
[05:42] <CaBlGuY> Onetrack:  and update?
[05:43] <Onetrack> thats the last thing thats drivin me nuts.. yah the update was fine.. went through all my sources..
[05:43] <CaBlGuY> Hobbsee:  okey dokey.. :)
[05:43] <CaBlGuY> Onetrack:  ok, do a soft boot ...  cntrl alt, backspace, log back in and we can go from there/..
[05:44] <michelleindeed> Onetrack: It looks like it's just for video files?
[05:44] <CaBlGuY> michelleindeed:  Shhhhhh!!!   I'm helpin the poor guy..   ;P
[05:44] <michelleindeed> He was helping me :P
[05:45] <CaBlGuY> michelleindeed:  Ahhhh  I seez nowz..  :D
[05:45] <michelleindeed> CaBlGuY: mhmmmm
[05:45] <CaBlGuY> what r u havin troubles with?
[05:45] <michelleindeed> Getting amaroK to play my wma files
[05:46] <CaBlGuY> wma???  :-O  what the heck u doin messin with those in Linux???
[05:46] <michelleindeed> I thought I read that 1.4 was capable of it, but it doesn't seem to be
[05:46] <sdolnack> that would be xine though right
[05:46] <CaBlGuY> ya silly willy
[05:46] <sdolnack> that you'd have to look into?
[05:46] <CaBlGuY> Xine is the engine Amrok uses yes..
[05:46] <michelleindeed> CaBlGuY: I just got linux about a week ago :P
[05:46] <_amy> ok I need a good digital photo editing program
[05:46] <_amy> like photoshop
[05:47] <_amy> without the fancy smancy gui
[05:47] <CaBlGuY> ok, Onetrack try the flash install now tell me what happens
[05:47] <sdolnack> _amy: so no GIMP?
[05:47] <CaBlGuY> _amy:  yea, Gimp..
[05:47] <_amy> GIMP ok that was what I was needing forgot the name of it
[05:47] <CaBlGuY> sudo apt-get install gimp
[05:47] <michelleindeed> _amy: yeah, i would think Gimp
[05:47] <LinuxMonkey> now i forget how to restart the network once i do changes to the /etc/network/interfaces <--anyone remember? I'm starting to need some sleep
[05:47] <CaBlGuY> LinuxMonkey:   Howdy d00d..  how goes it?
[05:48] <LinuxMonkey> wassup CaBlGuY
[05:48] <sdolnack> can i make the progress bar bigger in amaroK/
[05:48] <CaBlGuY> LinuxMonkey:  U need sleep...   cmon now..  :p
[05:48] <LinuxMonkey> not much CaBlGuY just setting up my server :)
[05:49] <CaBlGuY> LinuxMonkey:  server huh...   havin fun with that then yes??
[05:49] <sdolnack> michelleindeed: you might be able to do it w/ gstreamer
[05:49] <michelleindeed> sdolnack: gstreamer?
[05:49] <_amy> ok second question a good photo album software there was one I think was called digi cam or something like that
[05:49] <CaBlGuY> michelleindeed:  actually here....
[05:49] <CaBlGuY> !wma
[05:49] <ubotu> from memory, restricted is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats  Most of the formats listed there can be replaced by !FreeFormats
[05:49] <Onetrack> cablguy.. as before.. it just hangs.. it never gets the file.. same as if i try to download it from adobe.com or through adept..
[05:49] <Trae> in KDE, I've gotten rid of the grabbers on panel items that allow you to move them... handles I think, where can I turn these back on?
[05:49] <CaBlGuY> there look there...
[05:50] <CaBlGuY> Onetrack:  hmmmmmm
[05:50] <CaBlGuY> LinuxMonkey:  U awake enough to help Onetrack???  :p
[05:50] <sdolnack> _amy: i think they released picasa for linux
[05:50] <Onetrack> as i mentioned.. been trying to install this for a week.. if you have the deb just dcc it on over
[05:50] <CaBlGuY> He's needing flash installed but it's bein mean...
[05:50] <Onetrack> yah amy, picasa works great on dapper
[05:50] <_amy> ok
[05:51] <Onetrack> picasa.google.com/linux
[05:51] <sdolnack> http://picasa.google.com/linux/
[05:51] <sdolnack> beat me to it
[05:51] <LinuxMonkey> Onetrack: what u trying to install?
[05:51] <CaBlGuY> he nees flash
[05:51] <CaBlGuY> *neess
[05:52] <Onetrack> hey linuxmonkey.. just the flashplugin-nonfree.. i can't seem to download it..
[05:52] <CaBlGuY> dangit.,,,   someone keeps movin the dang keys.....
[05:52] <Onetrack> some others have this too.. maybe just not resolving the site
[05:52] <CaBlGuY> *needs
[05:52] <LinuxMonkey> and u enabled universe and multiverse
[05:52] <sdolnack> are there any good flac gui's like flac frontend?
[05:52] <Onetrack> yep..
[05:52] <sdolnack> for linux?
[05:52] <Onetrack> and several others.. i'm all tuned up cept for the flashplayer
[05:53] <CaBlGuY> Onetrack:  tell him what it's doin....
[05:53] <Onetrack> oh sdolnack.. no idea on your flac frontend..
[05:53] <sdolnack> lemme see if it's on wine
[05:53] <Onetrack> gets to this : Setting up flashplugin-nonfree (7.0.63.3ubuntu3) ..
[05:53] <sdolnack> not listed
[05:53] <Onetrack> and just hangs there
[05:53] <CaBlGuY> and LinuxMonkey I just had him do an update so, he's good to go there...
[05:53] <LinuxMonkey> ok onetrack check your repo's you may have the wrong multiverse and universe enabled--- follow this to make sure u got right ones enabled first.
[05:53] <Onetrack> i've left it for hours.. it never finishes
[05:53] <_amy> ok last question
[05:53] <LinuxMonkey> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuAddingRepositoriesHowto
[05:54] <_amy> I need a good wysiwyg web editor
[05:54] <LinuxMonkey> ok then its not a matter of downloading it then Onetrack
[05:54] <CaBlGuY> _amy:  dang girl, u need everything huh??  :p
[05:54] <_amy> yep I just switched over to windows and am a web developer and hobby programmer
[05:55] <Onetrack> yah .. i'm all good with the repos.. i've got 3.53, ati fglrx drivers, amarok 1.4a etc.. the repos are good.. as i say if i go to the adobe site it does the same thing.. won't download
[05:55] <CaBlGuY> _amy:  ahh  cool...
[05:55] <_amy> i mean from windows
[05:55] <_amy> was tired of a new virus every single cotton picking day
[05:55] <sdolnack> and your'e a girl?!?
[05:55] <sdolnack> :-P
[05:55] <_amy> yes
[05:55] <LinuxMonkey> Onetrack:  can you post what u get from when u run the command to install till it freezes @ kubuntu.pastebin.com
[05:55] <sdolnack> haha i'm kidding
[05:55] <sdolnack> i mean, not that your'e a girl
[05:55] <sdolnack> nevermidn
[05:56] <_amy> lol I got that all the way though comp sci at college
[05:56] <CaBlGuY> _amy:  u know about ummmmm  dang,m Im drawin a blank all of a sudden...
[05:56] <_amy> *collage
[05:56] <Steven_M> my firefox just failed installing the flash plugin, any ideas why?
[05:56] <michelleindeed> college*
[05:56] <michelleindeed> you had it right the first time
[05:56] <sdolnack> but yeah, i switched on tuesday i think, and i'm lovin it more every day.  I find myself booting to kubuntu more and more.  i've found a replacement for near everything, and gotten my dell laptop's multimedia buttons functioning
[05:56] <CaBlGuY> _amy:  Python...
[05:56] <Onetrack> uhm.. linuxmonkey that site is broken
[05:57] <CaBlGuY> that's a heavy duty linux web developer or somethin  like that.....
[05:57] <CaBlGuY> !python
[05:57] <ubotu> CaBlGuY: Not a clue. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[05:57] <CaBlGuY> hehe
[05:57] <LinuxMonkey> Onetrack: http://pastebin.com/ that one works
[05:58] <CaBlGuY> Steven_M: ok, what happened..
[05:58] <dr_willis> all my home improvement  things are VERY hard.. because the wife keeps changeing her mind half way through
[05:58] <sdolnack> i wonder though, can i get gaim to give me email notifications like trillian?
[05:58] <CaBlGuY> LOL  @ dr_willis  I hear ya bro...  :p
[05:59] <dr_willis> CaBlGuY,  heh -- wrong channel even. :p
[05:59] <CaBlGuY> lol
[05:59] <LinuxMonkey> Steven_M: you got to install it yourself firefox wont install it. follow steps @ https://wiki.kubuntu.org/RestrictedFormats#head-29ce85c5f75a6380ed26f1e828c343e54074d6e0
[05:59] <dr_willis> wife had me patch a hole in the wall (a BIG hole) sghe was going to put some built in shelfs into..
[05:59] <Onetrack> AH... pasted it to pastebin.com but its got some broken queries
[05:59] <dr_willis> then i go to fix the fence..and she decides i need to redo the porch first.
[06:00] <LinuxMonkey> hrr Onetrack seams pastebin is down
[06:00] <CaBlGuY> LOL   sounds like a little indesicivness there dr_willis ..  :p
[06:00] <Onetrack> want a screenshot?
[06:00] <word> is there a utility to search for bad sectors and then partition them off in linux?
[06:00] <Steven_M> LinuxMonkey: It did under breezy
[06:01] <sdolnack> is there anythign i can use to tell me when i get new yahoo mail?
[06:01] <LinuxMonkey> Onetrack: use pastebin.ca it works I just tested it
[06:01] <CaBlGuY> dapper is not breezey..  ;o)
[06:01] <CaBlGuY> totaly new animal..
[06:01] <CaBlGuY> so..  Steven_M I'm assuming you tried the sudo apt-get install flash  eerrrrr..   whetever it is..
[06:02] <Onetrack> yeah.. onetrack@onehax:~$ sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
[06:02] <michelleindeed> alright. i need to go to bed. i'll try this again tomorrow. thanks anyhow :D
[06:02] <CaBlGuY> michelleindeed:  np..   have a good one
[06:03] <CaBlGuY> ;)
[06:03] <Onetrack> linuxmonkey : http://pastebin.ca/63491
[06:03] <khaije1> /c;ear
[06:03] <Frogzoo> word: IDE drives do this automatically
[06:03] <sdolnack> what's the best way to access the Direct Connect network in linux?
[06:03] <LinuxMonkey> ok Onetrack try this, uninstall it and reinstall it
[06:04] <sdolnack> i find linuxdc++ is much too barebones, and valknut looks so so awful
[06:04] <word> Frogzoo: are you sure?
[06:04] <sdolnack> any other suggestions?
[06:04] <sdolnack> LDC++ wont' run in wine either
[06:04] <Frogzoo> word: yes
[06:04] <Onetrack> you mean an "sudo apt-get remove flashplugin-nonfree" .. yah.. done that :)
[06:04] <Frogzoo> word: if you're getting disk errors - backup your data & buy a new disk
[06:05] <Steven_M> It's alright, I've figgured it out not now, thanks all.
[06:05] <LinuxMonkey> no Onetrack do apt-get --purge remove flashplugin-nonfree
[06:05] <Onetrack> Package flashplugin-nonfree is not installed, so not removed
[06:05] <Onetrack> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[06:06] <Onetrack> already gone
[06:06] <CaBlGuY> Hmmm  that's interesting..
[06:06] <CaBlGuY> so, "re"install
[06:06] <_amy> ok now trying to install picasa where do I need to download it to?
[06:06] <LinuxMonkey> now try installing again and does it give same result
[06:07] <orient2000> what kind of files would install sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree ?
[06:07] <CaBlGuY> _amy:  wherever u wanna put it..
[06:07] <CaBlGuY> just so u remember where it is..
[06:07] <Onetrack> linuxmonkey.. http://pastebin.ca/63492
[06:07] <Onetrack> same thing.. its just not getting that file
[06:07] <_amy> ok was having a blonde moment
[06:07] <Onetrack> I'm sure it could install if i could get it
[06:08] <_amy> ok so any other programs that are recommended
[06:08] <CaBlGuY> Hmmmm  that's so wierd...   never seen flash act like that b4
[06:08] <CaBlGuY> :/
[06:09] <Onetrack> yah.. its just not comin down
[06:09] <CaBlGuY> ummm   have you tried the package manager?
[06:09] <Onetrack> yup
[06:09] <CaBlGuY> and u tried adept already too right
[06:10] <Onetrack> yah same thing.. adept just hangs at the same spot.. tried easyubuntu and automatix as well
[06:10] <Onetrack> but that was in a diff install
[06:10] <CaBlGuY> what distro u runnin?  Kubuntu, or Ubuntu with K installed?
[06:10] <Onetrack> kubuntu 6.06
[06:10] <CaBlGuY> OK...
[06:11] <CaBlGuY> :D
[06:12] <CaBlGuY> and of corse, u already read all the wiki and stuff on it..
[06:12] <Onetrack> ah just switched over from pclos..
[06:12] <LinuxMonkey> Onetrack: you can manually download it from http://packages.ubuntu.com/dapper/web/flashplugin-nonfree if you think it will help
[06:13] <CaBlGuY> _amy:  I've heard just about nothin but problems with Kubuntu but, I installed base Ubuntu and installed KDE later..  seemed to work out just fine for me
[06:13] <Onetrack> I started with linspire, tried the last pre-release of kubuntu (64bit), then went to suse 10.1 oss(64 bit), then back to kubuntu (32 bit) then to myahos for awhile, then to pclos for a week, installed ubuntu this morning, hate gnome, switched to a fresh install of kubuntu that im on now
[06:13] <CaBlGuY> LinuxMonkey:  thanks for helpin..  ;)  surely somoen will be able to help him out sonner or later..  ;)
[06:13] <LinuxMonkey> lol
[06:13] <Onetrack> linuxmonkey, thanks, thats the link i've been lookin for
[06:14] <_amy> I started out with Kubuntu and so far no problems yet
[06:14] <jsubl2> yep me too
[06:14] <LinuxMonkey> ive had many distro's but none as good as the ubuntu/kubuntu
[06:15] <Onetrack> its not grandmas os yet tho
[06:15] <dr_willis> i tend to install ubuntu. then apt-get install kubuntu :)
[06:15] <CaBlGuY> I've had a few myself, started out on Arklinux..  and went all over the place from there. Been on Ubuntu now for over a year...
[06:15] <_amy> what I liked about the dapper release was that it was the first release to auto pick up my wifi ever and that is always where I had quit with linux before and went back to windows
[06:16] <Onetrack> nod, i have a stack of cds by the monitor..
[06:16] <CaBlGuY> _amy:  congrads..  ;)
[06:16] <dr_willis> I found it better to just dump wifi
[06:17] <dr_willis> it works cruddy for me even under windows
[06:17] <CaBlGuY> I can run eather Gnome or K but, since ya "gotta" have K installed to be in this room, I kinda had to install it so I could help other peeps..  :p
[06:17] <Onetrack> i've destroyed my kubuntu installs trying to get xgl running.. no luck at all with that
[06:17] <CaBlGuY> Onetrack:  really..    well, that's an easy fix..
[06:17] <CaBlGuY> :p
[06:17] <_amy> i worked cruddy under windows for me but then it worked but now under the new kubuntu I have not been dropped once
[06:17] <_amy> I gave up on xgl yesterday night and had to reinstall
[06:18] <LinuxMonkey> xgl is still experemental so you can expect to break alot of things
[06:18] <Onetrack> heh.. it sure does..
[06:18] <_amy> probably didn't have to but that was all I knew how to do
[06:18] <CaBlGuY> all ya have to do is enable it once it's installed..
[06:18] <CaBlGuY> ya gotta play with it a bit though but once it's on.  it's on
[06:19] <Trae> hmmm
[06:19] <CaBlGuY> LinuxMonkey:  LOL break alot of things..  that's funny..
[06:19] <bdmp_> I did an upgrade and now my network device switched from eth0 to eth1 and I can't get it working. Any suggestions?
[06:19] <CaBlGuY> :)
[06:19] <Trae> anyone know how to get my emacs bindings (that work in gnome) to work in KDE in a gnome app?
[06:19] <CaBlGuY> Trae, yea, boot to Gnome..  :p
[06:20] <LinuxMonkey> bdmp_: any errors?
[06:20] <Trae> CaBlGuY, smart arse
[06:20] <CaBlGuY> :)
[06:20] <jadude> hello
[06:20] <jadude> any MonoDeveloper here?
[06:20] <CaBlGuY> Howdy jadude.. o/
[06:21] <CaBlGuY> Mono...  what the heck iz that???  :-O
[06:21] <CaBlGuY> :p
[06:21] <jadude> CaBlGuY: heheh.. it's a programming IDE for C#
[06:21] <bdmp_> LinuxMonkey: where would I see the errors?
[06:22] <CaBlGuY> jadude:  prolly need to join #ubuntu and ask then....
[06:22] <jadude> CaBlGuY: i am there too.
[06:22] <CaBlGuY> ahhh  very good
[06:22] <LinuxMonkey> bdmp_: first of all what did you upgrade?
[06:22] <bdmp_> to dapper
[06:23] <LinuxMonkey> ok so you upgraded the os from breezy?
[06:23] <bdmp_> yeah
[06:24] <CaBlGuY> time for me to hit the rack...
[06:24] <bdmp_> and I lost eth0 and got eth1
[06:24] <CaBlGuY> later peeps  o/
[06:24] <CaBlGuY> LinuxMonkey:  see ya d00d..  have a good one
[06:24] <LinuxMonkey> cya CaBlGuY
[06:24] <bdmp_> it says eth1 is enabled but I can't ping anything
[06:24] <jadude> Anybody here knows if it is possible for Windows.Forms app to run in Mono on Linux?
[06:25] <LinuxMonkey> can u do an ifconfig in console bdmp_ and paste results at pastebin.ca
[06:26] <bdmp_> I can't get a network connection to post
[06:26] <bdmp_> I guess I have to type it out.
[06:26] <bdmp_> oh wait usb key!
[06:26] <LinuxMonkey> lmao...yeah that works
[06:29] <_amy> ok very last question then I will leave ya all alone for a bit
[06:29] <_amy> hth do I install java
[06:29] <Hawkwind> !java
[06:29] <ubotu> To install Java/Sun Java see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java and see also !javadebs
[06:29] <thompa> im wondering if i can setup some sort of online word processor.
[06:31] <bdmp_> LinuxMonkey: http://pastebin.ca/63506 here it is.
[06:31] <LinuxMonkey-AFK> k brb
[06:31] <bdmp_> thompa: what do you mean?
[06:31] <bdmp_> explain more.
[06:32] <LinuxMonkey-AFK> bdmp_: its not configured is what the problem is
[06:32] <bdmp_> what kind of tools do you need? I like gmail but it is limited
[06:32] <bdmp_> ok
[06:32] <bdmp_> what do I do to configure it.
[06:32] <LinuxMonkey-AFK> bdmp_: k-menu->system settings-->network settings
[06:32] <bdmp_> sorry, lots of gaps in my knowledge
[06:33] <bdmp_> I have systems or settings and they both have networking but no network settings. which one?
[06:34] <bdmp_> oK, got it but is says eth1 is active
[06:34] <LinuxMonkey-AFK> you dont have one thats just system settings
[06:34] <bdmp_> no
[06:35] <bdmp_> it brings up the gnome network settings interface
[06:35] <LinuxMonkey-AFK> your in gnome?
[06:35] <bdmp_> sorry
[06:35] <bdmp_> I do
[06:35] <bdmp_> got confused
[06:35] <bdmp_> no
[06:35] <LinuxMonkey-AFK> ok
[06:36] <bdmp_> thats what came up when I went settings>network
[06:36] <bdmp_> ok
[06:36] <bdmp_> I see
[06:36] <bdmp_> this is the same as kcontrol right?
[06:36] <bdmp_> it says eth1 is enabled
[06:37] <thompa> bdmp: Im thinking either remote access or server setup
[06:37] <LinuxMonkey-AFK> ok click on it and configure interface
[06:37] <thompa> i guess also saving docs to web
[06:37] <bdmp_> thompa: that sounds cool but it is over my head.
[06:38] <thompa> or on home computer
[06:38] <bdmp_> setting it up I mean...
[06:38] <bdmp_> ok
[06:38] <thompa> there is some blog software in synaptic I tried
[06:38] <bdmp_> LinuxMonkey-AFK: ok
[06:38] <bdmp_> next
[06:38] <thompa> seting it up I can figure out
[06:39] <LinuxMonkey-AFK> bdmp_: select automatic and dhcp
[06:40] <bdmp_> thats what it is on
[06:40] <LinuxMonkey-AFK> hrmmm odd.
[06:40] <bdmp_> i did it again.
[06:40] <thompa> I think obe was php
[06:40] <bdmp_> yeah
[06:40] <ceserver> question: got 2 hdds. 1 with kubuntu, 1 with winxp ntfs. installed linux first then xp standalone on other hdd. what should i type in grub conf? tnx.
[06:40] <bdmp_> you sure it is not due to eth0 disappearing?
[06:42] <LinuxMonkey-AFK> I dont think it should of mattered, there;s more things we could try but I seriously got to go, someone else should be able to take over
[06:42] <bdmp_> ok thanks for your help
[06:43] <bdmp_> Anybody wanna help me fix my network?
[06:43] <bdmp_> I did an upgrade and now my network device switched from eth0 to eth1 and I can't get it working. Any suggestions?
[06:44] <thompa> cant you just reconfigure the other one
[06:44] <tony_> really newb bash question: how can I parse the "10.0.0.240" out of the input "10.0.0.240 38516 22"?
[06:44] <bdmp_> you mean delete eth1 and make eth0?
[06:45] <thompa> why does it need to be eth1 or 0?
[06:45] <Healot> grep "10.0.0.24"?
[06:45] <bdmp_> it doesn't. It just changed after the upgrade and now it doesn't work
[06:45] <thompa> which one wireless or cable?
[06:45] <bdmp_> so delete it and make an new one?
[06:46] <bdmp_> cable
[06:46] <juanbond> quick question.. trying to hookup my canon sd450 to my comp... when i try to access camera:/ and then the images underneath that, it always stalls on loading hte images and is really slow... any ideas?
[06:46] <tony_> Sorry, I meant how to get the <IP address> part from that input. ie. the part before the space
[06:46] <thompa> did you use network settings in system settings as admin first
[06:47] <thompa> i just got here so dont know what youve done
[06:47] <Healot> grep <IP address>
[06:47] <bdmp_> first? after the install?
[06:47] <_amy> ok no luck with java yet please help again the one site was useless I need the location of the src file
[06:47] <bdmp_> yes
[06:47] <thompa> well do it again
[06:47] <bdmp_> _amy: can you get java from adept?
[06:47] <thompa> select the network thats not working and configure it
[06:48] <thompa> or delete whatever
[06:48] <bdmp_> I did. It says it is enabled.
[06:48] <bdmp_> delete ok
[06:48] <thompa> the one that you are not on...
[06:48] <_amy> that is what I did yesterday and it worked but I need the deb source for it real quick
[06:48] <tony_> Healot: the IP Address is unknown. All I know is that it's the part of the line before the space
[06:49] <bdmp_> I am not on any. There is one and it doesn't work
[06:49] <tony_> found it. bash "read"
[06:49] <bdmp_> this is another comp
[06:49] <thompa> so you want to knopw how to do something for later?
[06:50] <bdmp_> _amy do you know the name of the package? Go to debian, search it and you can download it.
[06:50] <bdmp_> I think
[06:50] <thompa> i would either configure or delete it, restart network setting
[06:50] <bdmp_> configure doesn't work, nor does restarting network settings, so I am gonna try to delete it.
[06:51] <thompa> oh
[06:51] <_amy> I need the deb http:// thingies for java again
[06:51] <thompa> whats the error in the settings?
[06:51] <bdmp_> !java
[06:51] <ubotu> To install Java/Sun Java see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java and see also !javadebs
[06:51] <Where|away> Does anyone know of any good macro recording and playback programs for X? (I tried xmacro, but I couldn't get it to work)
[06:51] <bdmp_> There is no error that I see
[06:52] <bdmp_> !javadebs
[06:52] <ubotu> In Breezy: j2re1.4 is in multiverse. In Dapper: sun-java5-jre is in multiverse
[06:52] <Cornellius> Yay, gEDA and Eagle
[06:52] <Cornellius> I'm an electronic student so EDAs are important :)
[06:53] <thompa> if you cant right-clcik and configure it, that makes little sense
[06:53] <bdmp_> thompa: how can I delete it? can't figure it out.
[06:53] <thompa> have you tried disable , enable first
[06:53] <bdmp_> I can right click and configure it, but the network still dosen't work
[06:53] <bdmp_> yeah
[06:53] <thompa> un plug the cable etc
[06:53] <thompa> does it go away?
[06:53] <Cornellius> bdmp_: Trouble with Java ?
[06:54] <bdmp_> _amy does
[06:54] <thompa> did you also go into services?
[06:54] <kevin> there is somethiinnng wrrrong with my keeyboard in kubuntu   but not in ttthhe login sccreen i have to press and hold keys for themmm  to type
[06:54] <bdmp_> thompa what do you mean go away?
[06:55] <thompa> how are you viewing your 2 connections?
[06:55] <bdmp_> why do you say 2 connections?
[06:55] <bdmp_> there is only eth1
[06:56] <kevin> help please?
[06:56] <bdmp_> eth0 is gone after the upgrade
[06:56] <_amy> yep trouble with java here
[06:56] <bdmp_> kevin, did you try restarting?
[06:56] <thompa> what is eth0?
[06:56] <thompa> did you start with one?
[06:56] <kevin> yes
[06:57] <bdmp_> I am viewing them through kcontrol
[06:57] <Cornellius> kevin: In system settings
[06:57] <Cornellius> The place where you can configure mouse, display, keyboard
[06:57] <bdmp_> eth0 is what my network card was before the upgrade. Not it is eth1.
[06:57] <thompa> did you upgrade from breezy or a dailt update?
[06:57] <Cornellius> Check the keyboard configs
[06:57] <bdmp_> sorry m now it is eth1
[06:58] <Cornellius> There is an option to set the delay between the key press and the key being typed I think
[06:58] <bdmp_> thompa: i upgraded from breezy
[06:58] <thompa> if you cant rigth click on it in network settings: menu configure, there is something incorrect
[06:59] <bdmp_> I can.
[06:59] <bdmp_> it just doesnt give me internets after I do.
[06:59] <kevin> Cornellius: that ssetting issss for repeating
[07:00] <bdmp_> look at this http://pastebin.ca/63506
[07:00] <thompa> well if you are sure it is kubuntu, the problem, i would install dapper.
[07:00] <thompa> just put your files on an ipod or something
[07:00] <bdmp_> you, mean reinstall?
[07:01] <Cornellius> kevin: mmm not sure why it's doing that then. My guess is to check into the keyboard configs carefully, I dunno. Sorry
[07:01] <bdmp_> I have dapper.
[07:01] <thompa> backup your stuff, .kde in /home directory
[07:02] <thompa> you should do it anyway even if you dont install anything
[07:02] <JorgeLuis> Agum de meu idioma (pt-br)
[07:02] <_amy> ok I sooo need sun java like 5 mins ago someone please help me I need the two dep lines to add to my apt source list to download them please
[07:02] <farous> _amy: install them add universe repos
[07:02] <thompa> it takes about the same amount of time and may fix something else
[07:02] <farous> _amy: sorr multiverse dep
[07:02] <kevin> Cornellius: Somehow...my little brother went into System settings - > Regional And accessibility and enabled 'slow keys'
[07:02] <farous> !tell _amy about repos
[07:03] <kevin> Cornellius: Thanks for the advice :D
[07:03] <thompa> if your cables not disconnected, mine goes out often
[07:03] <Cornellius> kevin: No problems :)
[07:03] <thompa> on comcast maybe every other day
[07:04] <thompa> but at least they arnt sending my nudy pictures to the chimpster
[07:04] <thompa> _amy: sorry, did you try restricted formats?
[07:05] <bdmp_> _amy:
[07:05] <bdmp_> follow this
[07:05] <bdmp_> !sources
[07:05] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource.
[07:05] <thompa> amy: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[07:05] <bdmp_>  do you know how to dadd them?
[07:05] <bdmp_> add them
[07:06] <thompa> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[07:06] <farous> thompa: sun_java is in multiverse repos now and there is topic for it at help.ubuntu.com the official help pages
[07:07] <Healot> note! Java is in multiverse (unsupported) :)
[07:07] <thompa> i got mine from the download site, the other stuff would not work
[07:09] <_amy> ok have the deps now need the sudo apt-get install command to get them installed
[07:09] <JorgeLuis> Algum do BRASIL?
[07:10] <Healot> !br
[07:10] <ubotu> Por favor use #ubuntu-br (/j #ubuntu-br) para ajuda em portugues. Obrigada.
[07:10] <Healot> yay
[07:12] <Cornellius> Cerveza Por Favor
[07:13] <Dasnipa`> question: whats the best way to run a php file in a cron job?
[07:17] <_amy> ok I must not have the right rep because I keep on getting couldn't find package sun-java5
[07:18] <_amy> *dep
[07:18] <imbrandon> you need universe and multiverse
[07:18] <imbrandon> !repos
[07:18] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource.
[07:18] <farous> _amy: add multiverse ubotu sent you a link
[07:19] <stn> Hey Who used the apt-built
[07:19] <stn> here
[07:19] <stn> get me info about apt-built
[07:19] <Healot> btw _amy: the package name is "sun-java5-bin" for dapper
[07:20] <imbrandon> sun-java5-jre
[07:20] <imbrandon> also
[07:20] <Healot> imply sun-java5-*, i love wild card
[07:21] <imbrandon> heh
[07:21] <imbrandon> brb
[07:21] <icheyne> Whenever I open the BBC realplayer player, why does it open in two windows and run twice?
[07:23] <Cornellius> KDE is simple click and gnome is double
[07:23] <Cornellius> Try clicking just once on the icon
[07:24] <icheyne> I did
[07:24] <_amy> didn't work again
[07:24] <icheyne> it opens two mplayer windows
[07:24] <_amy> yesterday I endeded up adding two simple lines to my source file ran sudo apt-get update
[07:24] <_amy> and sudo apt-get install sun-java5-bin
[07:24] <Healot> _amy: show us you sources.list :)
[07:25] <Healot> paste the content to pastebin.com
[07:27] <_amy> ok I think it is up
[07:29] <NeoChaosX> can somebody help me with getting my external hard drive to mount on boot up?
[07:29] <_amy> ok pastebin is down apparently because I am getting a sql error there
[07:30] <Healot> pastebin is overloaded these days
[07:30] <Rede_> anyone have a deb for k3b 0.12.15?
[07:31] <Rede_> rather, know where i can find one
[07:32] <Healot> it's on KDE's website
[07:33] <Healot> or its source rather
[07:34] <Rede_> yea i was feeling lazy but i just installed from src
[07:35] <Rede_> well, im compiling now
[07:37] <juanbond> hey guys.. what's the best way to mount samba shares at bootup
[07:50] <hektisk> hello all...I was wondering if someone could help me increase my resolution.  I'm currently using my 50" TV as my monitor and I'd really like to be able to take advantage of its size.  currently it's at 1280x768, and that doesn't even fill the screen (couple of inches left on the top and bottom).  i've tried looking at at the xorg.conf file, but I didn't really understand the relevant section and didn't want to mess anything up by enteri
[07:54] <Kadran> hektisk: please, read the manual of the screen, and check for the refresh rate and the maximum reslution before hiting enter :)
[07:55] <Unimatrix9> hello there
[07:55] <Unimatrix9> is the kubuntu desktop cd also an live cd?
[07:55] <Unimatrix9> or just an install cd?
[07:56] <Kadran> Unimatrix9: yes it is :), and it have some applications that work under windows
[07:57] <Kadran> the alternative is a text mode installation cd
[07:57] <hektisk> of my tv screen?  its native resolution is 1920x1080, i'm not sure about refresh rate; there's no mention of it in the manual
[07:58] <Unimatrix9> ah, ok, i am putting together an vmplayer DVD, so i wanted the kubuntu iso on it too, the file can be booted with vmware, or they can burn it , so thanx for the info , i will include it...
[07:58] <NeoChaosX> can anybody help me with getting my external hard to mount on boot? anybody?
[07:59] <Kadran> Unimatrix9: np and good luck
[07:59] <Kadran> hektisk: does kubuntu identified your monitor correctly?
[07:59] <bdmp__> I can not connect to my network after upgrade to dapper. Help. I also had that power go out (well after the upgrade) maybe that is the cause.
[07:59] <Unimatrix9> does an external hard dive not show up as USB device?
[08:00] <NeoChaosX> it shows up as a USB device
[08:00] <hektisk> in xorg.conf it calls it 'Sony LCD' which is close; it's a Sony LCOS
[08:00] <hektisk> since it's a tv (that accepts vga inputs) it's probably not instantly recognizable
[08:00] <Unimatrix9> so on boot it will also be there , right>
[08:00] <Unimatrix9> ?
[08:00] <NeoChaosX> Yeah
[08:00] <NeoChaosX> It's there. but it's not mounted
[08:01] <NeoChaosX> Unimatrix9: I've tried having a line for the device in /etc/fstab, not having a line, installing ivman, and I still have to manually mount it every time I log in
[08:02] <NeoChaosX> It's driving me crazy. It worked just fine with just editing the /etc/fstab file in Breezy
[08:02] <Kadran> hektisk: i can't recommend you any thing just try to see the maximum resulution that your monitor can take,
[08:03] <Kadran> hektisk: from the manual or the company site
[08:04] <hektisk> well, the tv's native resolution is 1920x1080...but how do I set it to that?  well, how can I try to see the maximum?  KDE->system settings->display lists 1280x768 as the highest widescreen resolution
[08:05] <Unimatrix9> NeoChaosX, maybe try kwikdisk to mount it? and add the kwikdisk applet to your menu, if it works...
[08:05] <Kadran> hektisk: be in administrative mode and you will be able to change it
[08:05] <NeoChaosX> kwikdisk? that's not in apt-get
[08:05] <Unimatrix9> really?
[08:05] <Unimatrix9> oh
[08:06] <hektisk> well I can move the slider back and forth, but I'm still at the maximum resolution.  but I know that's not really the maximum my TV can handle, it's just what X is setting as maximum
[08:06] <cerdg> I have a bit of a problem if someone has some time
[08:06] <Healot> kwikdisk is in the package "kdf"
[08:07] <Healot> universe
[08:07] <cerdg> I upgraded to Dapper drake, and now my KDE control panel bar doesn't have anything on it, including the kmenu
[08:07] <NeoChaosX> oh, i see
[08:07] <Unimatrix9> add repository, universe
[08:07] <NeoChaosX> Yeah, I already have universe enabled
[08:08] <hektisk> Sorry, program crashed
[08:08] <Kadran> never mind
[08:08] <mrmist> Hi guys
[08:08] <mrmist> I'm in the middle of the installation procedure
[08:09] <NeoChaosX> okay, i'm going to reboot and see if this kiwkdisk thing works
[08:09] <mrmist> Trying to format my drive... anyone experienced with the +
[08:09] <mrmist> that ?
[08:10] <mrmist> i'm having w winxp partition, that I've resized, then I need primarily two Linux-partitions. One for kubuntu itself, and one for the "home" folder..
[08:10] <Kadran> hektisk: try to identify your monitor by your self in the Hardware tab
[08:10] <hektisk> anyway...yea my tv's native resolution is 1920x1080, but KDE's display settings, even in administrator moe, won't let me go higher than 1280x768...
[08:10] <hektisk> yea since it's a TV it's not listed there :(
[08:10] <Unimatrix9> dont need to reboot, thats windows behavoir
[08:10] <Unimatrix9> hmm?
[08:10] <Unimatrix9> :P
[08:11] <hektisk> I'm impressed that it even knew it was a sony  :)
[08:11] <Kadran> hektisk: if you know what you are doing make it generic
[08:11] <hektisk> ohh I see
[08:12] <Unimatrix9> ok i am off...diner is ready
[08:12] <bdmp__> is eth1 always wireless?
[08:12] <Unimatrix9> :P
[08:12] <hektisk> If my tv's native resolution is 1920x1080 does that mean it wouldn't be able to handle 1920x1200?
[08:12] <Kadran> hektisk: they are different ?? i dunno
[08:12] <NeoChaosX> kwikdisk did nothing. I still have to manually mount the partition when I log in
[08:13] <_amy> ok I downloaded java I installed java now waht in the world am I missing to get it to run correctly
[08:13] <hektisk> ok brb
[08:15] <mrmist> My WinXP disk is a primary partition, and so is the main Linux one
[08:15] <mrmist> however, the partition I'm supposed to use as my /home folder... how do I create it ? Do I make another "primary" partition, or an "extended" one ???
[08:16] <icheyne> Whenever I open the BBC realplayer player, why does it run twice?
[08:16] <mrmist> guys ? primary or extended ??
[08:17] <icheyne> mrmist: how many partitions do you have?
[08:17] <icheyne> you can only have four main ones
[08:17] <icheyne> you've already used two with linux and swap
[08:17] <icheyne> if in doubt, use an extended one
[08:17] <lowtech> mrmist: linux doesn't care which
[08:18] <mrmist> hmm... So it don't matter ?
[08:18] <lowtech> no
[08:18] <Onetrack> anyone able to get flash to install in kubuntu/dapper ?
[08:18] <lowtech> if you have a choice, either will work
[08:18] <mrmist> I need three partitions for linux, don't I !? One main partition, one for the "/home" folder and one "linux-swap" drive
[08:19] <mrmist> Do I make all of them primary partitions ?
[08:19] <icheyne> Onetrack: I just went to the Macromedia download page and installed it manually
[08:19] <lowtech> at least, yes
[08:19] <Onetrack> ive been trying to do that all day icheyne.. no luck.. it stalls at about 8%
[08:19] <Onetrack> adept / apt won't install it either.. all the repos are good..
[08:19] <icheyne> ah
[08:20] <icheyne> I only did it yesterday
[08:20] <icheyne> let me see if I still have it
[08:20] <icheyne> yes, I still have it
[08:20] <noaXess> hi all
[08:20] <Onetrack> it just hangs on the install..
[08:20] <icheyne> Onetrack: want me to send it to you?
[08:20] <icheyne> oh right
[08:20] <Onetrack> yah can you dcc it over? that'd be great
[08:21] <icheyne> sure
[08:21] <hektisk> ah, changing to different genetic monitors didn't impact my choice of resolutions
[08:21] <hektisk> oh well, thanks anyway :)
[08:21] <noaXess> yesterday i have compiled the linux-source-2.6.15 and get 2 errors... will there any error log created after make-kpkg?
[08:21] <hektisk> generic, not genetic, hehe
[08:21] <icheyne> Onetrack: there you go
[08:22] <Onetrack> it failed.. timeout?
[08:22] <icheyne> hmm
[08:22] <icheyne> maybe firewall problem
[08:22] <icheyne> hang on
[08:23] <Onetrack> kk
[08:25] <suyog> what is the name of update manager in Kubuntu? where do i enable it from?
[08:27] <noaXess> some kernel freaks here??
[08:28] <bdmp__> My network won"t work. need help.
[08:28] <icheyne> Onetrack: I'll try again now
[08:28] <Onetrack> k thanks
[08:28] <_amy> ok still beating my head against a wall with the java don't know what's up with it
[08:29] <icheyne> Onetrack: I had to open quite a few holes in my router
[08:29] <icheyne> you might have to do the same
[08:29] <_amy> installed fine but just not working
[08:29] <farous> did you use the update-alternatives
[08:29] <Onetrack> hm yeah its not moving
[08:29] <_amy> yes
[08:29] <bdmp__> Networ won't work. I use the network tools but still ifconfig gives me http://pastebin.ca/63506 nothing.
[08:29] <farous> _amy: what are you trying to do?
[08:30] <farous> _amy: do you program in java or just need it for firefox
[08:30] <nixternal> .
[08:31] <noaXess> anybody compiled linux-source?
[08:31] <_amy> just need it in firefox
[08:33] <Onetrack> icheyne, no more router at all.. bypassed it
[08:33] <lowtech> _amy: did you install sun-java5-plugin ?
[08:33] <icheyne> cool
[08:33] <icheyne> voila
[08:34] <farous> did they change the package name from breezy
[08:34] <farous> ah i am used to locate the plugin lib manually and just do a symbolic link
[08:34] <Onetrack> this is rediculous..
[08:34] <icheyne> pfft
[08:34] <icheyne> sorry dude
[08:34] <icheyne> I opened all necessary ports
[08:34] <Onetrack> could you email it to me?
[08:34] <icheyne> I'm sure of it
[08:34] <icheyne> sure
[08:34] <Onetrack> lorne.hammond@gmail.com
[08:34] <icheyne> hang on
[08:35] <Onetrack> kk
[08:35] <Onetrack> been trying to get flash installed for the last 10 hours, something that should be simple is mind bogglingly hard.
[08:35] <farous> Onetrack: install manually
[08:35] <icheyne> yes it was annoying me
[08:35] <Onetrack> been trying
[08:35] <Onetrack> it just hangs
[08:35] <icheyne> I managed it with the package I sent you
[08:36] <farous> you need update flash-plugin
[08:36] <Onetrack> used adept, apt, all kinds of voodoo magic and it just wont go
[08:36] <_amy> tyvm ya all are gods in my book
[08:36] <icheyne> yes it was irritating me too
[08:36] <farous> Onetrack: download the installer from adobe website
[08:36] <Onetrack> hangs on that too
[08:36] <farous> i did it and it work flawlesly
[08:36] <Onetrack> i have only ever managed to get about 8% at most..
[08:37] <Onetrack> then it stalls out
[08:37] <Onetrack> i hear its a dns prob with my provider
[08:37] <icheyne> Onetrack: does dcc chat work?
[08:37] <farous> onetrack that is strange
[08:37] <lowtech> you do have disc space?
[08:37] <Onetrack> yah about 400 gig
[08:37] <Onetrack> its only 997k shouldn't be an issue :)
[08:38] <lowtech> 400 GB for / ?
[08:38] <farous> Onetrack you mean you can not download the installer
[08:38] <crimsun_> Onetrack: have you contacted shawcable to ask if they use TCP ECN?
[08:38] <Onetrack> ... /dev/hda5             96498320  27116956  64479536  30% /
[08:38] <Onetrack> i got lots of room..
[08:38] <lowtech> wow
[08:39] <crimsun_> let me reiterate that it's /not/ a problem with the flashplugin-nonfree package (I'm the maintainer)
[08:39] <Onetrack> the drones who answer the phones for shaw read scripts.. they wouldn't know..
[08:39] <Onetrack> no I'm sure it isn't..
[08:39] <Onetrack> it gets here :
[08:39] <Onetrack> Unpacking flashplugin-nonfree (from .../flashplugin-nonfree_7.0.63.3ubuntu3_i386.deb) ...
[08:39] <Onetrack> Setting up flashplugin-nonfree (7.0.63.3ubuntu3) ...
[08:39] <lowtech> how are you trying to manually d/l it?
[08:39] <Onetrack> then it hangs.. i've left it for hours..
[08:40] <crimsun_> yes, it will hang trying to download the plugin
[08:40] <crimsun_> I've debugged it with tcpdump. Some ISPs have severe issues with TCP ECN, but I don't know if yours is one of them.
[08:40] <Onetrack> same thing with trying to get it from adobe's site.. I even have a tgz from debian that won't install because the installer calls out to macromedia
[08:41] <Onetrack> oh it prolly is.... they just put in an ellacoya switch to hobble all bandwidth.. so who knows what they're up to
[08:41] <Onetrack> k i just removed it
[08:42] <Onetrack> so crimsun, you've had it hang trying to install as well? thats good because i thought it was just me.. been sitting at this desk since early today trying to figure it out..
[08:43] <crimsun_> Onetrack: I haven't from my home and work connections, no, but many others have.
[08:44] <Onetrack> hm
[08:45] <Onetrack> icheyne: thanks m8, got it
[08:46] <icheyne> pleasure
[08:48] <noaXess> !mouse
[08:48] <ubotu> Enabling extra buttons  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ManyButtonsMouseHowto or http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=65471&highlight=evdev Installing extra cursor themes can be done easily with gcursor.
[08:48] <exhale> i think ubuntu should be called Ubuntu Gnome and Ubuntu KDE
[08:48] <exhale> -_-
[08:49] <kevin> The Zeroconf daemon (mdnsd) is not running. - Uh..how do i turn on mdnsd?
[08:51] <Onetrack> icheyne, success.. installed and working.. thanks a bunch
[08:52] <crimsun_> kevin: do you have avahi-daemon installed?
[08:52] <kevin> crimsun_: Yes i just installed it
[08:52] <icheyne> woohoo
[08:52] <icheyne> :)
[08:52] <crimsun_> kevin: and what does ``pgrep avahi'' return?
[08:53] <Onetrack> sound and everything..
[08:53] <kevin> crimsun_: 6150 and 6151
[08:53] <crimsun_> kevin: then it's running.
[08:53] <Onetrack> re-plugging in the router.. brb
[08:54] <kevin> crimsun_: I had to restart konqueror..odd..now this should show my other linux comps on the network correct? Or do I have to install the avahi-daemon on them as well?
[08:56] <crimsun_> kevin: you shouldn't have to install it on them
[08:58] <kevin> crimsun_: I don't see the other computers :-/
[08:59] <crimsun_> kevin: have they published services?
[09:00] <kevin> crimsun_: Sorry...published services? ><
[09:00] <crimsun_> what precisely are you attempting to do?
[09:00] <crimsun_> (it's 3 AM here, and I'm heading to bed)
[09:01] <kevin> crimsun_: I just want to see files on the other computers
[09:01] <crimsun_> kevin: you're barking up the wrong tree, then
[09:01] <crimsun_> if those other comps are Windows machines, you can just use KDE's built-in kioslaves for smb
[09:01] <kevin> crimsun_: Should samba do this then? I see the one windows computer on the network
[09:02] <kevin> crimsun_: No only one is :(
[09:06] <kevin> crimsun_: It can wait 3 am is to late/early to be staying up g'nite
[09:10] <HTRednek> hey all,
[09:11] <HTRednek> how do you add items to the System menu>Storage media item?
[09:11] <HTRednek> Every time I try, I get the message unable to write
[09:11] <suyog> how do i enable adept updater in kubuntu? i somehoe disabled it and now i cant turn it back on
[09:12] <noaXess> !imwheel
[09:12] <ubotu> Not a clue. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, noaXess
[09:16] <noaXess> can anybody pastebin th imwheel files?
[09:16] <noaXess> 2 in /etx/X11/imwheel and the one /etc/X11/Xsession.d/60imwheel_start-imwheel
[09:17] <mrmist> How do I install support for the smp ??
[09:17] <mrmist> I've got a "Core Duo" laptop
[09:17] <noaXess> !dualcore
[09:17] <ubotu> noaXess: Huh? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[09:18] <noaXess> !smp
[09:18] <ubotu> well, smp is Symmetric Multi Processing. The x86 architecture way of using multiple CPUs in one computer.
[09:18] <noaXess> !coreduo
[09:18] <ubotu> noaXess: Some people juggle geese. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[09:18] <linux_galore> all the P4's 2.4ghz or higher use the smp kernel
[09:18] <mrmist> noaXess: ehm... yeah...  I know. But I need some tips installing
[09:19] <noaXess> mrmist: i think dapper will automatically use right kernel...
[09:19] <mrmist> linux_galore: er... onlye the ones with Dual Core
[09:19] <noaXess> which one is installed?
[09:19] <mrmist> noaXess: the i386 is installed by default
[09:19] <linux_galore> mrmist: no the P4's 2.4Ghz or better can do two threads at the same time
[09:19] <noaXess> then install 686 now.. no problem.. have dine this too..
[09:19] <MikeMcA_> I'm new to kubuntu.  I can sudo but I can't su...is it just disabled or do I need to set up the password somehow?  Thanks
[09:19] <linux_galore> mrmist: hyperthreading
[09:20] <linux_galore> mrmist: so supports the smp kernel fine
[09:20] <noaXess> mrmist: sudo apt-get install linux-image ... and choose the right one..
[09:20] <noaXess> eg. 2.6.15-23-686
[09:20] <mrmist> noaXess: That's not SMP
[09:21] <mrmist> I tried installing 2.6.15-23-686 but it wouldn't boot
[09:21] <noaXess> hm..
[09:21] <linux_galore> mrmist: the correct kernel has smp in its name
[09:21] <mrmist> after installing the smp-package though, it worked .... in a way. But during boot-up, the screen got all messed up. I'm reinstalling
[09:21] <noaXess> linux_galore: and where are the packages?
[09:22] <mrmist> There's only one smp package...
[09:22] <mrmist> that's linux-686-smp
[09:22] <noaXess> yeah but... is this the package name?
[09:22] <linux_galore> noaXess the kernel is different, when you compile the kernel you set smp "then"
[09:22] <mrmist> But that's not an "image" is it ?
[09:22] <mrmist> noaXess: Yes... it's the package name
[09:22] <mrmist> noaXess: That's why I'm kinda' confused
[09:23] <linux_galore> noaXess so when you look at the kernel package if its compiled with smp  it will have smp as part of the kernel package name
[09:25] <mrmist> so guys... is the "linux-686-smp" the only thing I should install then ??+
[09:26] <noaXess> linux_galore: will it used also the linux-686-smp if HT is enabled? or only linux-686?
[09:26] <MikeMcA_> answer to my question: sudo passwd root
[09:27] <noaXess> MikeMcA_: yea :) or in the user kde manager...
[09:27] <noaXess> kde usermanager
[09:27] <noaXess> mrmist: i think so..
[09:27] <linux_galore> http://packages.ubuntulinux.org/dapper/base/linux-686-smp
[09:28] <linux_galore> noaXess no still there
[09:28] <bdmp__> I have a problem and this thread has the one http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=1120106&posted=1#post1120106  Someone suggests "hot unplug/plug procedure" but I do not know what that is. Also when i do ifconfig I get 2 lines "Listenign on LPF/eth1/00:00:00:00:00:00" and "Sending on LPF/eth1/00:00:00:00:00:00" Are these zeros my Mac address?
[09:28] <linux_galore> noaXess if the CPU support HT use the smp kernel
[09:28] <linux_galore> noaXess the machine will average 7-9% more speed
[09:28] <noaXess> linux_galore: why will that not be choosen on fresh install, is that normal, that first 386 image is used?
[09:29] <mrmist> Ok... I'll try
[09:29] <mrmist> later :)
[09:29] <linux_galore> noaXess on a fresh install it defaults to a standard kernel
[09:29] <noaXess> linux_galore: okey.. than i think i install the smp one too. :)
[09:30] <noaXess> should be no problem.. or?
[09:30] <linux_galore> noaXess just need to edit the boot setup and set the smp kernel as the default. leave the old on there just in case
[09:30] <linux_galore> one*
[09:30] <noaXess> linux_galore: yes.. ..
[09:30] <linux_galore> noaXess no problem all the machine were I work are P4 2.4Ghz or better and use the smp kernel
[09:31] <noaXess> :) thanks.. the package linux-686-smp will take all needed package smp need, right?
[09:31] <linux_galore> noaXess yep
[09:31] <linux_galore> noaXess contains all the modules etc
[09:32] <noaXess> okey.. an grub should be autom. updated.. so it was on installing linux-686... :) nice kubuntu :)
[09:33] <linux_galore> noaXess yeah seems like they have split the modules package off into a seperate one so you need both
[09:34] <noaXess> ?
[09:34] <linux_galore> http://packages.ubuntulinux.org/dapper/base/linux-restricted-modules-686
[09:34] <exhale> how do i disable kde som automaticly saving the session?
[09:35] <linux_galore> exhale: its in kcontrol, in the shutdown section
[09:35] <noaXess> linux_galore: have installe linux-686-smp and it adept has autom. selected the second part, linux-restricted-modules-686
[09:36] <exhale> linux_galore: i cant find it im using swedish kde
[09:37] <linux_galore> noaXess looks like adept has figured it out for you
[09:38] <noaXess> linux_galore: its no big install.. ?? only few seconds.. sudo apt-get install linux-686-smp.. all done?
[09:39] <noaXess> linux_galore: need i linux-686 too?
[09:39] <linux_galore> exhale: its under "Components" -> Session Manager
[09:40] <linux_galore> for me
[09:40] <HTRednek> how do you add items to the System menu>Storage media item?
[09:40] <linux_galore> noaXess no
[09:40] <exhale> thx linux_galore found it :)
[09:40] <linux_galore> noaXess yep all done you should see the smp kernel in the boot window
[09:41] <noaXess> linux_galore: or in /boot/grub/menu.lst
[09:42] <linux_galore> suprises me Ubuntu doesnt have a smp kernel on the install, every distro i test now does
[09:43] <linux_galore> going to be pretty hard to try and explain why you dont have a smp kernel now with everything swapping to duel core (quad core before the years out)
[09:44] <Tykan> 'morning, how can i get ndiswrapper installed in kubuntu? "apt-get install ndiswrapper-utils" used to work
[09:45] <bdmp__> I upgraded to dapper and the network device changed from eth0 to eth1. In the new eth1 my HWaddr is 00:00:00:00:00:00. When I restarted with the old kernal eth0 was back and its HWaddr was 00:90:99:BC:AE:C7. If I change the HWaddr in eth1 to that will my network work? If so how do I do that?
[09:45] <linux_galore> Tykan: you treat ubuntu and kubuntu the same when it comes to ndiswrapper
[09:45] <noaXess> linux_galore: there is the linux-686-smp package, its only 52K... but there is no linux-image-2.6.15.22-686-smp
[09:45] <noaXess> linux_galore: what kernel version have you installed.. uname -r
[09:46] <linux_galore> noaXess none I built mine
[09:46] <noaXess> linux_galore: aha  thats the clue.. :)
[09:46] <Tykan> i get "E: Couldn't find package ndiswrapper-utils" weird :(
[09:46] <noaXess> linux_galore: there is no default smp deb package...
[09:46] <linux_galore> Tykan: do you have unverse and multiverse setup
[09:46] <noaXess> :(
[09:46] <linux_galore> universe*
[09:47] <Tykan> no idea, fisr time using kde :/
[09:47] <linux_galore> noaXess I talked to jdub and he swore blind to me there was
[09:47] <Tykan> first*
[09:47] <linux_galore> Tykan: kde has nothing to do with the base system and the package manager, both systems are exactly the same
[09:48] <linux_galore> Tykan: all Kubuntu is Ubuntu with gnome removed and kde set as the default desktop, its exactly the same other than that
[09:49] <noaXess> linux_galore: but sudoa apt-get install linux-image shows no smp package..
[09:49] <linux_galore> noaXess hmm yeah looks like it not on the standard update
[09:49] <Tykan> when i say first time using kde, i mean fisrt time using linux :p i'm reading this from a guide to install some windows drivers for my wi-fi card to work, but when i "apt-get install ndiswrapper-utils" i got the "couldn't find package" error :(
[09:49] <linux_galore> noaXess need to add universe and multiverse
[09:50] <noaXess> linux_galore:  have it...
[09:50] <linux_galore> Tykan: thats because you skipped a step, your package manager hasnt got a clue were to get the packages you want because you havent set it up yet
[09:50] <MikeMcA> I get kubuntu installed and start loading packages then get to a point where when I reboot I get to the screen where I enter my user name and password, enter them, the screen flashes a couple times then I'm back at the login screen.  It's not a case of "login failed" - what the heck could be causing this?  I'm about to reinstall for the third time.  I've wasted many hours on this.  Suggestions?
[09:50] <noaXess> linux_galore: do you have an smp package  in the list if you try sudo apt-get install linux-image?
[09:51] <Tykan> and... any tip on how can i give it a clue on where to find? =P
[09:51] <noaXess> !universe
[09:51] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource.
[09:52] <noaXess> !tell Tykan about universe
[09:52] <noaXess> !tell Tykan about easysource
[09:53] <noaXess> !easysource
[09:53] <ubotu> For an easy to use custom sources.list creator, visit http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[09:53] <Tykan> nicey =) let's see
[09:54] <Tykan> tha noaXess
[09:54] <MikeMcA> If anyone could give me any suggestions I would really appreciate it.  I am bumming.
[09:55] <jende> Hi there!I just tried to install OOo2.0.3 from deb packages, but dpkg  tells me that all ppackages do collide with openofice.oorg-bundled
[09:55] <Tykan> letter code of my country is "E" for "Spain?" or what
[09:56] <jende> should I remove the previous installed OOo Version?
[09:56] <jende> on my debian machine it got installed easily and the old packages got replaced
[09:57] <jende> has anyone an idea whhat to do?
[09:57] <linux_galore> noaXess yeah the official howto just says type sudo apt-get install linux-686-smp
[09:59] <linux_galore> MikeMcA: if you get to the login screen it means the X server setup is fine so its must be a kde related error
[10:00] <linux_galore> MikeMcA: when you do a fresh install do you delete everything in /home/old_user
[10:01] <linux_galore> mikmak: I have a feeling your doing the same install over and over again but your leaving the buggy file there each time
[10:01] <MikeMcA> linux_galore: yes, delete the linux partitions completely
[10:02] <MikeMcA> linux_galore: via k's installer's partition mgr
[10:02] <jende> so, nooone has got an idea?
[10:03] <MikeMcA> linux_galore: once it's installed I reboot just fine...it's got to be something I'm installing, or one of the upgrades that's breaking things
[10:03] <linux_galore> MikeMcA: I would start the machine up swap to a terminal with ctrl alt F1  login then delete ~/.kde
[10:03] <linux_galore> MikeMcA: then dont update
[10:03] <linux_galore> MikeMcA: you might find you have to remove a config file after you update because its causing a conflict
[10:04] <MikeMcA> linux_galore: those are excellent suggestions thanks
[10:04] <linux_galore> MikeMcA: do the install then do the updates, before you reboot remove  ~/.kde and ~/.kderc
[10:05] <MikeMcA> linux_galore: so contents of those directories will be regenerated if I clear them out I guess.  I'm not familiar with ctrl alt F1 - should that work from the login screen?
[10:05] <mrmist> the progress screen crashes when booting...
[10:05] <mrmist> Anyone else experienced anything like that ?
[10:06] <linux_galore> MikeMcA: Ive had weird problems were Ive updated kde and it just goes splat on the next reboot, swap top a virtual term with ctrl alt F1  login and remove ~/.kde and ~/.kderc   and swap back to X again on ctrl alt F7  then press ctrl alt Backspace to reset x and login again fine
[10:06] <linux_galore> s/top/to/
[10:06] <gan|y|med> hallo
[10:06] <MikeMcA> linux_galore: sweet.   thanks again.  I'm off to try...
[10:07] <mrmist> gan|y|med: hallo :)
[10:08] <linux_galore> MikeMcA: yeah kde creates the config files when you login to the desktop
[10:08] <linux_galore> MikeMcA: if that doesnt work then its another .file   thats causing a conflict
[10:09] <linux_galore> MikeMcA: I removed them all once after I got annoyed, stupid thing worked
[10:10] <linux_galore> MikeMcA: does X start up and give you the graphical login ??
[10:10] <linux_galore> MikeMcA: or do you get the terminal login
[10:11] <linux_galore> MikeMcA: if you get the terminal login it means you just need to reconfigure X
[10:11] <linux_galore> the update has flushed the setup files
[10:11] <Tykan> why when i try to install ndiswrapper via Adept Manager it says that it may break some other packages and don't let me instll?
[10:12] <MikeMcA> linux_galore: I just reinstalled...
[10:13] <linux_galore> MikeMcA: Im pretty fussy about my updates, basically if it isnt broken I avoid updating it
[10:15] <ashridah> hey. i've installed the kscreensaver-xsavers package, but for some reason, the screensavers from xscreensavers-gl aren't showing up in the list provided by the control panel
[10:15] <lowtech> what command do you use to see if a certain package is on your system?
[10:15] <ashridah> lowtech: dpkg -l
[10:16] <lowtech> ashridah: thank you
[10:18] <mrmist> I want to build a kernel
[10:18] <mrmist> how do I do it ???
[10:18] <mrmist> Anyone know ?
[10:22] <Tykan> how can i open Kate w/ root permisions
[10:22] <noaXess> linux_galore: hey.. wasup :)
[10:23] <noaXess> i think now on kubuntu.. only use linux-686.. no smp available.. :(
[10:23] <noaXess> smp-image
[10:23] <gobbe> Tykan, sudo kate?
[10:23] <Tykan> yeah i just tried that =) it worked, thanks
[10:24] <Tykan> yipiii my wifi is working!!!
[10:24] <noaXess> Tykan: there is a liitle kdesu tool.. for opening programs with a kde button..
[10:24] <gobbe> you missed :)
[10:27] <Mongey> hi
[10:27] <Mongey> im lookin to make a png an icon for my mp3
[10:27] <Mongey> http://img105.imageshack.us/img105/3747/snapshot25qc.png
[10:31] <gobbe> Mongey, so you want to change ipod icon to something else?
[10:32] <Mongey> yes
[10:34] <gobbe> just check what icon is used for that and overwrite it with your own?
[10:35] <ashridah> damn, this is weird. /usr/share/applnk/System/ScreenSavers/molecule.desktop exists, yet the kde screensaver config utility refuses to find them
[10:41] <word> when i right click on a folder go to properties then go to configure file sharing it's all greyed out...
[10:42] <word> The same happens when i got to system settings - > Sharing - > Administrator mode
[10:44] <word> Is there something i need to do?
[10:44] <word> !sharing
[10:44] <ubotu> I don't know, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, word
[10:51] <word> anyone there?
[10:52] <HTRednek> What kind of permissions do I need to add shortcuts to the system menu?  primarily "Storage Media"
[10:53] <word> Root permissions i suppose :-/
[10:53] <HTRednek> I tried kdesu konqueror to browse to it, but that has less than my own user has.  it doesn't make sense
[10:54] <word> you could just make the shortcut from command line
[10:55] <word> with ln
[10:58] <HTRednek> if I'm correct, the folder that info is stored in is just /media, correct?
[10:59] <word> HTRednek: Yes.
[11:00] <Booz> Can anybody give me a HowTo or a solution to kubuntu so that i can use WPA-PSK encryption?
[11:00] <HTRednek> hmm, now I'm really confused then.  According to that directory, the only files there are cdrom and cdrom0.  According to the system:/media it says there are 2 hard disks and a floppy drive.
[11:02] <word> HTRednek: I suppose it gathers from other sources
[11:02] <word> HTRednek: But anything in /media/ i'm pretty sure will show up in media:/
[11:03] <HTRednek> yeah,  I just created a shortcut to one of my other partitions and copied it to that folder and it still doesn't appear.  i dunno.
[11:03] <word> try just dragging it to media:/
[11:03] <word> HTRednek:
[11:12] <Booz> Can anybody give me a HowTo or a solution to kubuntu so that i can use WPA-PSK encryption?
[11:21] <a1337> hi, anyone can help me on why when i try to "./configure" wine i get this?
[11:21] <a1337> checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables
[11:22] <word> umm...
[11:22] <word> C compiler... do you have gcc installed a1337?
[11:22] <a1337> checking whether make sets $(MAKE)... yes
[11:22] <a1337> checking for gcc... gcc
[11:22] <a1337> checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables
[11:23] <a1337> gcc --version says "gcc (GCC) 4.0.3 (Ubuntu 4.0.3-1ubuntu5)"
[11:24] <_rince_> mrgn
[11:24] <word> a1337: Don't copy paste use the pastebin.... but uh for C compiler i'm not sure what package that is..
[11:24] <chavo> a1337, sudo apt-get install build-essential
[11:25] <chavo> a1337, sudo apt-get build-dep wine
[11:25] <chavo> now you're ready to build wine
[11:26] <word> when i right click on a folder go to properties then go to configure file sharing it's all greyed out...
[11:26] <word> The same happens when i got to system settings - > Sharing - > Administrator mode
[11:27] <Vildere> Can anybody give me a HowTo or a solution to kubuntu so that i can use WPA-PSK encryption?
[11:28] <a1337> aye chavo this worked! thanks
[11:28] <chavo> np
[11:29] <gobbe> Vildere, use google, there are so many howtos available
[11:29] <gobbe> or try search in ubuntuforums
[11:30] <chavo> word, you have to install samba or nfs first, before you can configure them
[11:30] <a1337> umm, got a new question, it says "X development tools no found"
[11:30] <chavo> !xincludes
[11:30] <ubotu> When a program or configure script asks for "X includes", you should probably install the following packages: libx11-dev  libxext-dev  libxinerama-dev
[11:30] <a1337> and fontforge is missing :(
[11:30] <word> chavo: Does samba work with linux computers as well as windows or will i need nfs to do that?
[11:30] <chavo> a1337, did you run the second line I told you
[11:31] <a1337> oh, ok
[11:31] <chavo> word, samba will work with both yes
[11:31] <chavo> a1337, sudo apt-get build-dep wine
[11:31] <a1337> but won't that get me a wine build?
[11:31] <a1337> because i'm trying to compile a patched one... the one for WoW
[11:32] <chavo> a1337, no it will install all the librairies needed to build wine
[11:32] <a1337> ah good =)
[11:32] <kronoz> how can I play asx streams?
[11:32] <chavo> kronoz, did you install w32codecs?
[11:32] <kronoz> chavo, yeah
[11:33] <word> chavo: So now if my computer wasn't appearing on other linux ones before it will now in samba->Workgroup?
[11:33] <chavo> they should play in kmplayer
[11:33] <chavo> word, If you set it up correctly yes
[11:33] <virus> heey
[11:33] <kronoz> chavo, it works in mozilla-mplayer, hmm i'll try kmplayer again
[11:35] <lamppa> How I can make user who can access to root?
[11:36] <kronoz> mplayer doesn't work :p. player mlayuer buffering ... player mplayer not running
[11:42] <nico8481> hi
[11:42] <a1337> so i've installed firefox, is there any way i can make it as my default browser?
[11:43] <Hobbsee> a1337: yes, see system settings
[11:43] <JasonL> is it possible to share a virtual machine by two OSs by putting it on a shared partition?
[11:43] <Hobbsee> a1337: kde components
[11:44] <noxs> hi all
[11:44] <a1337> worked =) thanks
[11:44] <noxs> how to apt-get to kernel 2.6.16.x ?
[11:44] <Hobbsee> noxs: i assume you'd have to compile that yourself
[11:44] <noxs> which repository do i have to use?
[11:45] <noxs> ah i see..
[11:45] <xsite> hey
[11:45] <noxs> that doesnt matter..:o) it would be comfortable with apt-get but so i have to do it by-hand...:o)
[11:45] <noxs> thy
[11:45] <noxs> thx
[11:46] <Hobbsee> hey Kamping_Kaiser
[11:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> hey Hobbsee
[11:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> ;)
[11:47] <DeadS0ul> =O
[11:47] <DeadS0ul> didn't expect this in a linux chat
[11:48] <DeadS0ul> seen worse in #teensex back on my undernet chat days though =D
[11:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> o_0 oi
[11:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> its a tech support question :/
[11:48] <DeadS0ul> =|
[11:48] <remy_> hi
[11:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi
[11:49] <remy_> I have a problem when i boot
[11:49] <remy_> my computer freeze on "mount root files system"
[11:49] <remy_> someone can help me?
[11:50] <remy_> and i have detect that is my scsi burner that make it
[11:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> remy_, you might have to boot without scsi enabled (there is a kernel parameter)
[11:52] <remy_> kamping_kaiser,  thaks but can i change this parameter to boot whit scsi enabled?
[11:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> remy_, yes, you can press escape while grub is loading (it counds down 3 seconds) and add it there
[11:53] <remy_> kamping_kaiser, add it what?
[11:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> remy_, there is a line that has the kernel to load, you press 'e' (to edit) then 'e' on the second line (iirc) and append your parameters, then press 'enter' then 'b'
[11:55] <remy_> ok
[11:55] <remy_> kamping_kaiser, thanks I try it and I come back to say you if that is good
[11:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> good luck remy_
[12:02] <word> chavo: Where is the username and password for access from a windows computer set?
[12:05] <nagyv> Hello! I have a problem using a Xerox Phaser 3425 printer. Could someone help me how could I connect to it with Kubuntu?
[12:05] <word> nagyv: have you tried setting it up in system settings?
[12:05] <nagyv> of course I did, but it is not present under the printer list
[12:06] <word> nagyv: What do you mean? when you go to system settings - > Printers - Do you see it above Advanced Faxing tool?
[12:09] <nagyv> word: I see a "printer" called advanced faxing, but what should I do with it? I have tried to add it with Add->Add printer/class
[12:09] <pfiff> Hallo
[12:09] <lamppa> Hello
[12:10] <word> nagyv: If you setup the printer correctly you should see the printer you added above advanced faxing
[12:10] <JasonL> is it possible to share a virtual machine by two OSs by putting it on a shared partition?
[12:10] <lamppa> What to do when I start Enemy Territory and then X falls...
[12:10] <remy_> kamping_kaiser, ok it's good
[12:10] <lamppa> ?
[12:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> remy_, hey cool :)
[12:10] <a1337> what's the difference between "su" and "sudo" ?
[12:10] <remy_> kamping_kaiser, but I have change nothing in my configuration
[12:11] <Hobbsee> !sudo
[12:11] <ubotu> hmm... sudo is a command that will let users run commands as root. Look at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo for all information.
[12:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> a1337, su changes user
[12:11] <Hobbsee> a1337: ^
[12:11] <noxs> how do speed up my notebook with kubuntu? its an compaq armada m700 and it runs slower than with other distributions...why?
[12:11] <a1337> ahhh
[12:11] <lamppa> What to do when I start Enemy Territory and then X falls...
[12:11] <nagyv> word: now I understood you. I can add a printer with whatever driver I prefer, but when I have to select a driver (the type of the printer) I can not choose Xerox phaser 3425, because it does not exist.
[12:11] <remy_> kamping_kaiser, I think it's because i have change yesterday linux-386 to linux-K7
[12:11] <word> noxs: Look on the ubuntu forums theres a topic named 'HOWTO: Speed up kubuntu'...i think that's what it's called just search for it
[12:11] <noxs> ah great! thx
[12:12] <remy_> kamping_kaiser, the reason is possible?
[12:12] <word> nagyv: Hmm...isn't there a generic driver or something?
[12:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> remy_, it is posible, but i wouldnt know how that works
[12:13] <remy_> kamping_kaiser, ok and i have another problem if you can help me: i have no sound on my kubuntu
[12:13] <nagyv> word: I can not see any generic drivers, but there are some 30 different models listed. I thought one could be used.
[12:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> remy_, fraid i cant help you with sound. i would sugest crimsun_ , but he seems to be away
[12:14] <JasonL> is it possible to share a virtual machine by two OSs by putting it on a shared partition?
[12:14] <remy_> kamping_kaiser, ok thanks
[12:14] <DeadS0ul> what's wrong ith your sound?
[12:15] <DeadS0ul> JasonL: probably =O
[12:16] <word> nagyv: Try using it as a raw printer
[12:16] <lamppa> What to do when I start Enemy Territory and then X falls...
[12:16] <JasonL> ok, cool =)
[12:16] <lamppa> ?
[12:16] <JasonL> just make the vm on one OS onto the shared partition, then load it within the other OS?
[12:16] <DeadS0ul> Kamping_Kaiser: what's wrong with your sound?
[12:16] <lamppa> What to do when I start Enemy Territory and then X crashes?
[12:16] <chavo> JasonL, should qork yeah
[12:16] <chavo> work even
[12:16] <lamppa> Any idea?
[12:17] <JasonL> ok, thanks
[12:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> DeadS0ul, remy_ was asking
[12:17] <word> chavo: Where is the username and password for samba for access from a windows computer set?
[12:17] <DeadS0ul> oh =O
[12:17] <lamppa> What to do when I start Enemy Territory and then X crashes?
[12:17] <lamppa> Any idea?
[12:17] <DeadS0ul> i need to wake up
[12:17] <agro86> ce qualcuno
[12:18] <lamppa> What to do when I start Enemy Territory and then X crashes?
[12:18] <lamppa> Any idea?
[12:18] <remy_> Deadsoul, I have seen your message to kamping_kaiser
[12:18] <DeadS0ul> the one where I got dunked in the my own tea
[12:18] <lamppa> ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
[12:18] <lamppa> ...........
[12:18] <remy_> Deadsoul, it's me who have problem with my sound
[12:18] <lamppa> What to do when I start Enemy Territory and then X crashes?
[12:18] <lamppa> What to do when I start Enemy Territory and then X crashes?
[12:18] <lamppa> What to do when I start Enemy Territory and then X crashes?
[12:18] <DeadS0ul> remy_: what's teh trouble =\
[12:19] <DeadS0ul> lamppa: quit that...
[12:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> lamppa, dont spam
[12:19] <remy_> Deadsoul, i have no sound on my kubuntu and i don't know how configure it
[12:19] <word> lamppa: If somebody knew the answer..they'd probably have replied the first time.
[12:19] <DeadS0ul> Kamping_Kaiser: any idea what soundcard you have?
[12:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> DeadS0ul, talk. to. remy_ . i have fine sound :)
[12:20] <remy_> Deadsoul, yes it's integrated on my mainboard
[12:20] <DeadS0ul> ah crap did i do that again lol
[12:21] <remy_> Deadsoul, it's a via vt82c686b south bridge
[12:22] <DeadS0ul> remy_: ah, it's probably supported then, one sec
[12:22] <remy_> Deadsoul, i have found the driver on the via website but it's an rpm package
[12:24] <DeadS0ul> remy_: you shouldn't need that
[12:24] <DeadS0ul> type this in
[12:25] <DeadS0ul> modprobe snd-via82xx
[12:25] <DeadS0ul> as root
[12:26] <DeadS0ul> and then go to /proc/asound and see if there's a dir called card0
[12:28] <remy_> DeadSoul, I have a dir named cards
[12:28] <DeadS0ul> no card0 =\
[12:29] <remy_> DeadSoul,  no card0
[12:29] <DeadS0ul> can you type in lsmod | grep snd  and paste teh output to me?
[12:32] <lunitik> remy_: 2 cards... Ubuntu picking wrong one?
[12:33] <lunitik> remy_: 'blacklist cardyoudontwant' into /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist and 'cardyouwant' into /etc/modules
[12:33] <lunitik> remy_: reboot... and it'll magically work  :P
[12:33] <lunitik> well... not really magic... but it'll work  :P
[12:33] <DeadS0ul> haha
[12:33] <DeadS0ul> how do you know if he has more than one soundcard?
[12:33] <DeadS0ul> cards just has a list of all cards..
[12:33] <remy_> DeadSoul, where i paste it to you?
[12:34] <lunitik> DeadS0ul: he's talking about 'card0'... which leads me to think there is likely a card1
[12:34] <DeadS0ul> I was asking him about card0
[12:34] <DeadS0ul> if there was one
[12:34] <lunitik> remy_: answer my questions above
[12:35] <DeadS0ul> remy_: check out what lunitik is asking ...and you can paste the output at pastebin.com
[12:35] <remy_> lunitik, I don't understand your question
[12:35] <DeadS0ul> he's asking if you have mor ehtan one soundcard
[12:35] <lunitik> remy_: do you have a sound card and onboard sound (for instance)
[12:35] <remy_> lunitik, what do you want know
[12:35] <lunitik> ?
[12:36] <lunitik> (2 soundcards in the system...)
[12:36] <nico8481> any idea what could cause this ( http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/2742/snapshot14yd.png ) in amaroK ?
[12:36] <lunitik> remy_: yes or no
[12:36] <remy_> lunitik, now yes because i would test an other sound card
[12:36] <lunitik> nico8481: fonts are too big
[12:37] <nico8481> lunitik: it is the reason why it doesn't parse the html tags ? :-/
[12:37] <lunitik> remy_: having more than one soundcard confuses linux
[12:37] <lunitik> nico8481: ahh... umm... why would you be feeding amarok html stuff?
[12:37] <DeadS0ul> i have 3 ...2 usb ones..
[12:38] <lunitik> afaik it doesn't even attempt to use khtml to render html... so it has no idea
[12:38] <lunitik> DeadS0ul: no issues?
[12:38] <nico8481> lunitik: uuh... i'm feeding it audio files...
[12:38] <lunitik> DeadS0ul: here... onboard is broken... and it always is selected as the card to use  :/
[12:39] <remy_> DeadS0ul, sorry but i have a error message when i send my pastebin
[12:39] <katakombi> every time I log off freenode and relogin my nick name is not logged off. What to do about that?
[12:39] <lunitik> nico8481: strange... I'm listening to a pls file... and not getting that?
[12:39] <DeadS0ul> lunitik: you set up the module's parameters in /etc/modprobe.d/
[12:40] <remy_> lunitik, so i must keep just one card in my computer?
[12:40] <lunitik> katakombi: get it back... /msg nickserv help
[12:40] <DeadS0ul> lunitik: all cards an index parameter, let's you select which is the first, second etc soundcard in the system,
[12:40] <lunitik> DeadS0ul: hmm... I haven't really looked into that to be honest
[12:41] <DeadS0ul> lunitik: I did, works great, depends on what kernel I use for the headset though, soemtimes it works sometimes it doesn't =\ but the mic on teh webcam always works
[12:43] <remy_> lunitik so I pick out one card and i come back. Ok?
[12:46] <r0xz> anyone here ever tried a pallosit seat?
[12:47] <r0xz> you know, such a bal to sit on behind your desk
[12:48] <gorski> how to report bugs?
[12:49] <word> Where is the username and password for samba for access from a windows computer set?
[12:50] <word> !bugs
[12:50] <word> !bug
[12:50] <ubotu> bugs are reported to https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bugs
[12:50] <word> gorski: Follow the link ^
[12:51] <DeadS0ul> word what do you mean?
[12:51] <r0xz> gorski: bug reports can go at launchpad or if it's not a kubuntu specific bug at bugs.kde.org
[12:52] <DeadS0ul> word: I think by default windows uses the username and password you logged in with to access the share, if that doesn't work it'll ask you to provide one, and give you the option to save.  I had no idea where it's set though
[12:53] <word> DeadS0ul: Whenever I try and access this comp from windows I always get asked for a username and password :-/
[12:54] <DeadS0ul> even when you check the checkbox to save?
[12:54] <DeadS0ul> I use samba all teh time, I don't have that problem =O
[12:55] <word> DeadS0ul: What do you mean? I don't know what username and pass to enter
[12:55] <mindspin> word have a look at /etc/samba/smb.conf
[12:56] <word> mindspin: What am  i looking for? :-/
[12:57] <DeadS0ul> word you mean you jsut set up samba?
[12:57] <remy_> DeadS0ul I come back
[12:57] <word> DeadS0ul: Yah'
[12:58] <remy_> DeadS0ul and I have now just one sound card
[12:58] <DeadS0ul> you created user accounts for samba?
[12:58] <mindspin> read trough and you will find, it depends if authentication is user based or machine based, its kinda self explaining...
[12:58] <mindspin> give me a second
[12:58] <DeadS0ul> there's a file sharing wizard in kde for it
[12:59] <word> DeadS0ul: Where?
[12:59] <DeadS0ul> in teh kde control center
[12:59] <DeadS0ul> sharing applet
[01:00] <word> Riboflavin: Kubuntu uses adept
[01:00] <samuli> you don't have synaptic in kubuntu because it's a gnome app.
[01:00] <word> DeadS0ul: Um where's the control center? >
[01:00] <word> ><
[01:01] <Riboflavin> sampan, okay, that makes sense.  Do you know why a lot of things might be greyed out in the Adept installer ?
[01:01] <remy_> DeadS0ul so could you help me again for my sound card?
[01:02] <samuli> Riboflavin: never had that 'problem'
[01:02] <samuli> there's kpackage and kynaptic to try and use also.
[01:02] <DeadS0ul> word: systems settings?
[01:02] <DeadS0ul> remy_: what soundcard do you want to configure? what model?
[01:03] <Riboflavin> samuli, see, that is what is strange -- they are greyed out in Adept
[01:03] <theine> Hi, how can I make konqueror show ordinary text files embedded in the browser window with kate?
[01:04] <remy_> DeadS0ul via vt82c686b
[01:04] <samuli> riboflavin, can you install anything?
[01:04] <Riboflavin> well, some things are not greyed out.  IT just let me install Abiword
[01:04] <DeadS0ul> can you type the command 'lsmod' and paste the output to me
[01:05] <samuli> Riboflavin: or maybe you have cdrom in your sources.list and cdrom is not in the drive?
[01:05] <word> DeadS0ul: That doesn't allow me to set the user and pass to access my  computer..and it's most definitely not any sort of wizard
[01:05] <theine> I know I can right click and the choose "preview in -> embedded advanced text editor" but I'd like to make this the default when I left click
[01:05] <Riboflavin> in the terminal I did an apt-get install kpackage and it came back  "unable to lock the administration director"
[01:05] <remy_> DeadS0ul I can't paste it because I have an error message in pastebin.com
[01:05] <theine> Riboflavin: try "sudo apt-get install ..."
[01:05] <Riboflavin> theine, that is what I did
[01:05] <word> Riboflavin: You need to close adept first
[01:05] <samuli> Riboflavin: it came back like that because you had adept running.
[01:05] <theine> Riboflavin: ah, ok, sorry
[01:06] <mindspin> word:  maybe this helps: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15455
[01:06] <samuli> Riboflavin, make sure you don't have cdrom on your sources.list: sudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:06] <Riboflavin> samuli, word.  Okay, closed adot, and now it says "kpackage is not available... but the following pakcages replace it... KDELIBS-data"
[01:06] <mindspin> the users have to have an account on the machine running smb
[01:06] <Riboflavin> sampan, checking the sources list now
[01:06] <DeadS0ul> word: you're gonna have to do it using console then, smbpasswd -a username
[01:07] <samuli> Riboflavin, while you're at that you might just as well enable universe and multiverse (it seems like you don't have those)
[01:07] <Riboflavin> okay, in the sources list, there is no reference to a CD rop -- it goes to "dapper main restricted"
[01:07] <remy_> DeadS0ul how can i paste it to you without pastebin.com
[01:07] <DeadS0ul> uhhh..
[01:08] <Riboflavin> sampan, no, I don't have the universe and multiverse.  How do I enable those?
[01:08] <remy_> DeadS0ul and you, have you a problem with pastebin when you send a message or it's just me?
[01:08] <samuli> Riboflaving, uncomment the line that has 'universe' at the end and add multiverse after universe.
[01:08] <Riboflavin> got it
[01:09] <DeadS0ul> I've never had problesm with pastebin
[01:09] <samuli> Riboflavin, ok, now save, but don't close kate. Let's see it works first.
[01:09] <samuli> Riboflavin: now open up new terminal tab and type sudo apt-get update there
[01:10] <Riboflavin> (I was working in pico, and I forgot I wasn't root, so I did it again)
[01:10] <remy_> DeadS0ul i have this message: "Query failure: Table 'pastebin.pastebin' doesn't exist"
[01:10] <Riboflavin> okay, apt-get update scrolling
[01:10] <Riboflavin> no errors
[01:10] <DeadS0ul> yeah same..werid shit
[01:11] <DeadS0ul> remy_: use this http://rafb.net/paste/
[01:11] <remy_> so how can i paste it to you?
[01:11] <remy_> DeadS0ul ok
[01:11] <Riboflavin> okay, doing an apt-get install kpackage
[01:12] <remy_> DeadS0ul http://rafb.net/paste/results/UovluD26.html
[01:13] <DeadS0ul> alright lemme take a look
[01:13] <Riboflavin> kpackage shows up on the menu now
[01:14] <Riboflavin> it is taking its time, but maybe that is b/c it has never run before and querying the DEB APT list will be slow
[01:14] <samuli> Riboflavin, yeah, it makes a list of the files.
[01:14] <DeadS0ul> weird no alsa modules there..
[01:15] <DeadS0ul> do you have any alsa files installed? check with dpkg -l | grep alsa
[01:16] <remy_> DeadS0ul http://rafb.net/paste/results/haepLj73.html
[01:17] <DeadS0ul> ohh sorry wrong driver
[01:17] <Riboflavin> okay, this is strange (at least as I am new to kubuntu).  When I try and install (in kpackage) firefox, it tells me that I need to know root's password
[01:18] <Riboflavin> and, the user pw doesn't work
[01:18] <DeadS0ul> do modprobe snd-snd-via82xx
[01:18] <remy_> DeadS0ul so is should the via driver?
[01:18] <DeadS0ul> and then go to /proc/asound and see if you have a dir called card0
[01:18] <remy_> DeadS0ul module not found
[01:18] <samuli> Riboflavin, open kpackage with kdesu kpackage
[01:19] <samuli> Riboflavin, anyways, see if adept still has things in gray.
[01:20] <DeadS0ul> remy_:what kernel are you using =O, type uname -r to find out
[01:20] <remy_> DeadS0ul oh no it's good
[01:20] <Riboflavin> a lot of errors come up, but eventually it loaded
[01:20] <DeadS0ul> remy_: hmm?
[01:20] <DeadS0ul> it loaded?
[01:21] <DeadS0ul> run lsmod | grep snd_via to find out
[01:21] <remy_> no i have no dir called card0
[01:21] <DeadS0ul> oh =|
[01:21] <DeadS0ul> what kernel do you have? use uname -r to find out
[01:21] <samuli> Riboflavin, it don't know if that's normal but I get error-messages with just about everything I load and everything works fine :P
[01:21] <remy_> DeadS0ul 2.6.15-23-k7
[01:22] <Riboflavin> samuli, okay, installing mozilla using KDESU
[01:23] <DeadS0ul> remy_: hang on a sec
[01:23] <Riboflavin> seems to flash around more than it ould in Debian, but let's see
[01:23] <DeadS0ul> you typed this in exactly right?  modprobe snd-via82xx
[01:24] <remy_> DeadS0ul my new   lsmod | grep snd_via     http://rafb.net/paste/results/MBtc0z83.html
[01:25] <DeadS0ul> driver loaded fine
[01:25] <Tykan> hi there, anyone know why i cant join qukenet? its ays i'm infected with a trojan, but i just installed kubuntu... :(
[01:25] <DeadS0ul> meh, give it a shot..in kde go to system settings
[01:25] <silverbirch> ArmedGeek, hey didn't I used to see you at #mandriva?
[01:26] <Riboflavin> samuli, this eems to work for me... thanks
[01:26] <silverbirch> if kubuntu installed using a /home, can one update keeping /home intact?
[01:26] <DeadS0ul> sound and multimedia, then highlight soundsystem.  make sure enable sound system is checked, hit apply and press the test sound button
[01:26] <Riboflavin> and I can do updates and upgrades from kpackage
[01:27] <samuli> Riboflavin, no problem.
[01:27] <DeadS0ul> silverbirch: if /home is a seperate partition, then you can speicify not to format/change the partion during the install.  Just don't let the installer automatically paritition
[01:28] <silverbirch> DeadS0ul, okay thanks
[01:29] <silverbirch> next question - when installing I found I couldn't make a /home partitionm.  Or at least I did, using cfdisk, but partitioner didn't seem to accept it and wouldn't proeed
[01:29] <silverbirch> so I installed using defaults which didn't seem to have /home
[01:30] <DeadS0ul> didja specifiy a swap paritition?
[01:30] <silverbirch> installs beautifully BTW on old PC which has refused other distros
[01:30] <silverbirch> DeadS0ul, in cfdisk - yes - did, and also when using paritioner in kubuntu
[01:31] <DeadS0ul> did it give you any error =O
[01:31] <remy_> DeadS0ul the sound system is enable but i hear no sound in the test
[01:31] <silverbirch> hmm - was only half atending - bad I know, so not sure about errors - went for defaultr install when had problems
[01:32] <silverbirch> can I make /home after install
[01:32] <makko> how often a day does adept updater check for updates/
[01:32] <DeadS0ul> remy_: run kmix and check the volumes
[01:32] <makko> i mean ?
[01:32] <makko> is rraajj a correct spelling??
[01:33] <theine> Hi, could somebody running KDE 3.5.2 check whether http://www.spiegel.de shows properly in konqi?
[01:33] <rraajj> makko: Why, what's the matter?
[01:33] <DeadS0ul> silverbirch: yeap, just leave space, use cfdisk to make the partition and format it.  and then mount it to see if it works.  if all goes well add an entry into your /etc/fstab
[01:33] <Trae> any where I could find more kde panel applets?
[01:33] <makko> rraajj: i mean, are they considered doubled?
[01:33] <theine> The main page works fine in KDE 3.5.3 but the linked articles do not
[01:33] <apokryphos> theine: seems to here, yes.
[01:34] <silverbirch> DeadS0ul, how do I mount it?
[01:34] <DeadS0ul> theine: 3.5.3 here, works great
[01:34] <makko> how often a day does adept updater check for updates?
[01:34] <rraajj> makko: The first time I log on to any IRC network (which was 4 years ago), I found that "raj" was a common nickname.
[01:34] <makko> rraajj: oh, i see
[01:34] <remy_> DeadS0ul i can't check the volume becasue i have not currently mixer
[01:34] <rraajj> makko: So, I "made" something which would still give out my name, but is not as common as "raj".
[01:34] <rraajj> :D
[01:34] <makko> rraajj: i thought it was a matter of indian phonetics and i wanted to make sure
[01:34] <DeadS0ul> silverbirch: you use the command mount -t ext3 /dev/hda1 /home
[01:34] <MetaMorfoziS> Trae: sudo apt-get install kicker-applets
[01:35] <rraajj> makko: Hehehe. I'm no Indian, by the way. :)
[01:35] <makko> rraajj: oh, no?
[01:35] <DeadS0ul> silverbirch: you should be able to mount it in kde too, not 100% sure how
[01:35] <Trae> MetaMorfoziS, k, thanks
[01:35] <DeadS0ul> <-- indian
[01:35] <MetaMorfoziS> and is there other one: xmms-kde
[01:35] <rraajj> makko: Yep. I'm a proud Filipino.
[01:35] <makko> rraajj: aha
[01:35] <MetaMorfoziS> it is an xmms control, that very useful, i like it [if you use xmms] 
[01:35] <Trae> man, I do have to admit I like the normal ubuntu gnome based system updater better
[01:36] <DeadS0ul> remy_: one sec
[01:36] <Trae> it's a much cleaner application than the kde one
[01:36] <makko> DeadS0ul: do people in india still only devanagari, or they also use latin transliterations?
[01:36] <silverbirch> DeadS0ul, thanks booting machine to check
[01:36] <theine> DeadS0ul: Are you completely sure? Please check out http://www.spiegel.de/sport/fussball/0,1518,420592,00.html
[01:36] <Trae> and what's up with the engrish?  "system update, goodbye"
[01:36] <makko> DeadS0ul: still use
[01:36] <Trae> heh
[01:36] <MetaMorfoziS> Trae i think allof the kde users using the gnome's package manager:D so apt-get install synaptic:)
[01:37] <DeadS0ul> I'm in Hong kong and I don't read write hindi =\, speak it though
[01:37] <h3sp4wn> Can adept deal with apt pinning easily ?
[01:37] <makko> DeadS0ul: :)
[01:37] <DeadS0ul> usually teh middle class in India can speak english fine though
[01:37] <milena> Hello everyone
[01:37] <noxs> bye all
[01:37] <makko> how often a day does adept updater check for updates?
[01:37] <MetaMorfoziS> DeadS0ul: in kcontrol, the keyboard mapping settings can do what you need
[01:38] <milena> Does anyone know a good way to enable DMA
[01:38] <DeadS0ul> MetaMorfoziS: I bet!
[01:38] <DeadS0ul> MetaMorfoziS: can't write in chinese in linux though =\ I need to learn that
[01:38] <MetaMorfoziS> my english is bad sorry, so type in terminal: kcontrol [it's the kde control panel]  and find regional & blabla options:)
[01:38] <thoreauputic_> !dma
[01:38] <DeadS0ul> remy_: can't launch kmix?
[01:38] <thoreauputic_> !+dma
[01:38] <ubotu> dma is, like, totally, Direct Memory Access/Addressing. A method of transferring data from one memory area to another without having to go through the central processing unit. It makes your hard disks run faster :-).  DMA from the ubuntu wiki guide https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DMA
[01:38] <Healot> milena: on your BIOS setting, or oyu mean by "hdparm"
[01:39] <remy_> i can launch kmix but i have no currently mixer
[01:39] <DeadS0ul> is like totally? ...it ubotu the channel cheerleading squad?
[01:40] <thoreauputic_> DeadS0ul: like , absolutely awesomely, dude
[01:40] <thoreauputic_> :)
[01:40] <DeadS0ul> like totally!
[01:40] <thoreauputic_> to the max
[01:40] <DeadS0ul> remy_: so kmix is in the system tray and greyed out =\
[01:40] <thoreauputic_> !ubotu
[01:40] <ubotu> Yep, that's me! I'm a bot alright. Read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbotuUsage to find out how to use me. Do NOT play with me in any channel except #debian-bots.
[01:40] <milena> hdparm doesn't seem to work
[01:41] <remy_> DeadS0ul yes
[01:41] <DeadS0ul> remy_: farked
[01:42] <rraajj> Hahahaha. You guys sound like the Ninja Turtles or something. =))
[01:42] <silverbirch> DeadS0ul, okay I get / /dev/hda1 9.1: swap 431 Kb.  So heaps of space for /home, but how do I create it thanks?  Use cfdisk?
[01:42] <DeadS0ul> remy_: you sure you're giving me hte right model for your soundcard?
[01:42] <silverbirch> no data saved so far DeadS0ul
[01:42] <milena> Healot: I've tried hdparm,it did change the setting,but how can I save it ?
[01:43] <remy_> DeadS0ul i am sure.
[01:43] <dergringo> anyone got kwlan (http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=37041) runnung on dapper?
[01:43] <Healot> milena: why you need hdparm anyways? you can settle DMA support within BIOS
[01:43] <DeadS0ul> silverbirch: so in cdfisk you see two parittions and a "free space"?
[01:44] <Healot> btw, milena... /etc/hdparm.conf is the file to save all your hdparm settings
[01:44] <DeadS0ul> remy_: what's the link to your motherboard model, lemme see the linux drivers they put up =O
[01:44] <Healot> !dma
[01:44] <Healot> follow the link, milena
[01:44] <DeadS0ul> rraajj: Cowa Bunga!
[01:44] <DeadS0ul> ...I'm like totally, gonna have pizza tonight!
[01:44] <DeadS0ul> ...but no anchovies
[01:45] <silverbirch> DeadS0ul, no one ext 3 and one swap
[01:45] <milena> Healot: what link and I cannot access my BIOS (forgot password, don't want to reset at the moment)
[01:45] <silverbirch> I want to split main parition into / and /home
[01:45] <rraajj> DeadS0ul: LOL! Dude...!
[01:46] <DeadS0ul> alright delete / parition so you see free space
[01:46] <Healot> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DMA --<< this one... btw
[01:46] <DeadS0ul> hey wait, this isn't a live system right? no data on'em at all right?
[01:46] <Healot> I hate people who hate reading!
[01:46] <milena> Healot: thank you
[01:46] <silverbirch> even though the system is intsalled, can I change partitions?  I haven't saved anything or touched the install yet
[01:46] <remy_> DeadS0ul i think you want that   http://www.viaarena.com/default.aspx?PageID=420&OSID=20&CatID=2390&SubCatID=100
[01:46] <DeadS0ul> you're gonna lose all the data if you split the partitons this way =O
[01:47] <milena> Healot: And I kind of don't like people who hate no-readers
[01:47] <silverbirch> DeadS0ul, I don't have any data - but will the install have to be done again
[01:47] <DeadS0ul> silverbirch: yeah it will =\
[01:48] <DeadS0ul> you're gonna have to resize the parittion if you want to keep the installation, I dunno of any linux programs that do that though
[01:48] <samuli> gtparted does that.
[01:48] <samuli> gparted even.
[01:49] <samuli> but might bork your harddrive too :)
[01:49] <silverbirch> DeadS0ul, huh - that's what I thought.  Annoyed because used cfdisk to make partitons then kubuntu wouldn't use them so installed with default, but I know at LUG they did install and made own partitons
[01:49] <goldenear>  gtparted does that. <- you mean qtparted I guess
[01:49] <DeadS0ul> yeah I did too
[01:49] <h3sp4wn> Use fdisk instead of cfdisk and reboot after you have done it
[01:50] <silverbirch> but anyway - it is installed, and works so will now configure to myt liking
[01:50] <remy_> DeadS0ul ...
[01:50] <DeadS0ul> qtparted resizes partitions
[01:50] <DeadS0ul> remy_: i looking at the site remy_ =D please be patient
[01:50] <remy_> DeadS0ul ok sorry
[01:50] <silverbirch> h3sp4wn, hmm wondered if I ought to reboot after using cfdisk before starting intall
[01:51] <h3sp4wn> sometimes you get that you must reboot for the partition tables to be altered (some error) with fdisk
[01:51] <DeadS0ul> remy_: dammit, it is the right driver..wonder what I'm doing wrong >|
[01:53] <remy_> DeadS0ul and if i install the via website driver?
[01:53] <DeadS0ul> remy_: k try this, in system settings -> sound & multimedia -> sound system. ..clickon the hardware tab
[01:53] <silverbirch> h3sp4wn, I remeber with pclos I had to d that - had forgfotten
[01:54] <h3sp4wn> silverbirch: Maybe it will work fine 90% of the time (or even 99% of the time) but I have never had a failed install (I still use a partition for /boot also - I am building a squashfs based rescue system to go inside it)  - Is there no way you can just backup what you need to another machine ?
[01:54] <remy_> DeadS0ul then...
[01:54] <DeadS0ul> remy_: then change the audio device to Advanced Linux Sound Architecture and hit apply
[01:54] <Master_Shake> compiz.real: GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap is missing
[01:54] <makko> how often a day does adept updater check for updates?
[01:54] <Master_Shake> I get that error with compiz
[01:55] <Master_Shake> I'm using the proprietary ati drivers. Does anyone else in here have the same problem?
[01:55] <silverbirch> h3sp4wn, this is a "play" machiner, so no need of worry of lost data.  Just curious about getting the partitions, as I know at LUG thatr they did get them set
[01:55] <Master_Shake> makko, Once a day.
[01:55] <DeadS0ul> remy_: then restart kmix ..
[01:55] <goldenear> Master_Shake: compiz/xgl doesn't work with KDE yet
[01:55] <Master_Shake> Ah.
[01:55] <Master_Shake> I'm using Gnome.
[01:56] <h3sp4wn> silverbirch: The alternative cd is alot better when it comes to that sort of stuff
[01:56] <Master_Shake> No one was helping me in the other channel.
[01:56] <remy_> DeadS0ul nothing change
[01:56] <Master_Shake> goldenear, If you run Compiz, then gnome-window-decorator, you can run kicker and konqueror after that, it's basically KDE from there.
[01:56] <goldenear> Master_Shake: here is mostly a kde channel...
[01:56] <terror_> "sudo dpkg --configure -a" does not work.  =(
[01:56] <h3sp4wn> silverbirch: Never fails at the LUG they probably used that
[01:56] <Master_Shake> goldenear, I know.
[01:56] <goldenear> Master_Shake: I know
[01:56] <goldenear> lol
[01:56] <DeadS0ul> remy_: dammit =\
[01:57] <DeadS0ul> remy_: i'm not sure what's wrong then sorry =\
[01:57] <silverbirch> h3sp4wn, no they didn't but their fingers so quick, and I am so new - couldn't always follow :-)
[01:57] <makko> Master_Shake: thank you
[01:57] <remy_> DeadS0ul and the website driver?
[01:57] <goldenear> Master_Shake: I hope kde-window-decor and kde-compiz will soon work as well as the gnome conterpart
[01:58] <makko> Master_Shake: can this be changed?
[01:58] <makko> Master_Shake: any config file?
[01:58] <silverbirch> DeadS0ul, think it was dapper beta
[01:58] <DeadS0ul> remy_: it's teh same driver
[01:58] <DeadS0ul> silverbirch: I used a recent dapper beta =\
[01:59] <remy_> DeadS0ul ok and where can i find more help?
[01:59] <h3sp4wn> silverbirch: They should have just used the netboot image from a local ftp mirror - I hate using cd's they always get scratched
[01:59] <silverbirch> DeadS0ul, I had it installed also - using defaults, but almost certain LUG had / /home as well as swap
[01:59] <DeadS0ul> probably in #linux on the undernet, but they aren't nice to newbies =\, they'll just make you read everything
[01:59] <terror_> plis, help, "sudo dpkg --configure -a" does not work.
[02:00] <silverbirch> h3sp4wn, hm - well it was my d/l and burn, but installed
[02:00] <remy_> DeadS0ul ok thanks
[02:00] <Master_Shake> makko, Can what be changed?
[02:00] <h3sp4wn> silverbirch: the alternative cd has much more verbose error checking (used to be called the install cd)
[02:00] <DeadS0ul> silverbirch: strange stuff.  you don't mind doing a reinstall?
[02:00] <makko> Master_Shake: adept notifier's checking for updates once a day.
[02:01] <silverbirch> DeadS0ul, well I have nothing to lose :-)
[02:01] <silverbirch> trying to boot and getting "erro 24"
[02:01] <DeadS0ul> remy_: hey try this.  type in lspci and paste it to me
[02:02] <silverbirch> DeadS0ul, at the moment can't do anything it is stuck at error 24
[02:02] <DeadS0ul> silverbirch: one thing, did you set the mount points fro the partitions during the install?
[02:02] <DeadS0ul> silverbirch: heh
[02:02] <silverbirch> DeadS0ul, tried to on first attempt didn't work so allowed the defaulta
[02:02] <remy_> DeadS0ul: http://rafb.net/paste/results/8GkW9b57.html
[02:03] <terror_> plis, help, "sudo dpkg --configure -a" does not work. :'(
[02:03] <silverbirch> rebooting is not working
[02:04] <silverbirch> hmm maybe have to for reinstall
[02:04] <DeadS0ul> remy_: did you enable the soundcard in your bios?
[02:04] <silverbirch> keep getting error 24
[02:04] <remy_> DeadS0ul yes i think
[02:04] <DeadS0ul> it's not listed here
[02:04] <DeadS0ul> check it again
[02:05] <DeadS0ul> silverbirch: bad cd =O
[02:05] <remy_> DeadS0ul ok i come back in few minutes
[02:05] <DeadS0ul> will do
[02:05] <silverbirch> DeadS0ul, installed fine a few days ago
[02:05] <DeadS0ul> =\
[02:18] <judgen> spacelord mfk!!!
[02:18] <judgen> drunk as a pulp, and happy!
[02:18] <judgen> =)
[02:18] <DeadS0ul> world cup fever eh?
[02:18] <judgen> DeadS0ul:  most definitly
[02:19] <silverbirch> ah what's happened
[02:19] <DeadS0ul> england vs paraguay
[02:19] <DeadS0ul> the matches hven't started yet
[02:19] <judgen> did any watch germany vs costa rica?
[02:19] <DeadS0ul> ...he wouldn't be here if they were on
[02:19] <DeadS0ul> I didn't =(
[02:19] <Healot> watched
[02:19] <DeadS0ul> germany won though 4 to 2
[02:19] <Healot> but slept after halftime
[02:19] <Healot> yeah 4 -2 btw
[02:20] <Healot> soccer/football is so manly...
[02:20] <judgen> DeadS0ul: england unfortunalty ended up in the same group as sedan, england hasnt beat sweden in any game since the 60?
[02:20] <DeadS0ul> really?
[02:20] <DeadS0ul> I wanan see what happens to argentina and holland
[02:20] <judgen> sweden
[02:20] <judgen> argentine wins
[02:20] <DeadS0ul> in the group fo death?
[02:20] <judgen> argentine totally owned even brazil in hte pan-american cup
[02:20] <DeadS0ul> the serbs are strong this time round  heh
[02:21] <Healot> #offtopics
[02:21] <DeadS0ul> same line up?
[02:21] <judgen> Healot: stopit, kubuntu fans can still talk about other thing than telling total n00bs what to do with thir installations!
[02:21] <terror_> Argentina rlz
[02:21] <terror_> Vamos argentina carajoooo
[02:21] <judgen> DeadS0ul: since the 60??? that woud be silly
[02:22] <DeadS0ul> haha
[02:22] <judgen> i hope england wins thoug, maybe they can take that prechous gold medal they have been longing for soo long
[02:22] <judgen> terror_: true
[02:22] <judgen> too bad argentina ended up in the same group as italy
[02:23] <DeadS0ul> with both their strikers injured/just recovered, maybe
[02:23] <judgen> italy will probably whack the argentinians
[02:23] <terror_> But Brazil is strong  =(
[02:23] <DeadS0ul> ...ack you mean there's no england vs argentina tis time round =|
[02:23] <judgen> terror_:  barzil can loose
[02:23] <terror_> And England, and Holland
[02:23] <terror_> =(
[02:24] <DeadS0ul> Holland vs. Germany, I would love to see that.. hehe
[02:24] <judgen> DeadS0ul: if youre brittish ,then youre unhappy wioth the non arg/eng right?? LOL!
[02:24] <judgen> DeadS0ul: holland wins
[02:24] <judgen> that one
[02:24] <DeadS0ul> naw i'm in Hong Kong and I work for British Telecom
[02:24] <judgen> ok
[02:24] <DeadS0ul> ..and I'm indian.. =|
[02:24] <terror_> I wish to see USA VS Iran.
[02:24] <DeadS0ul> hahah
[02:24] <judgen> iran does not even qualify to the C series of WC
[02:25] <judgen> the us on the other hand is ranked 9th so they can actually win tis
[02:25] <judgen> wich i hope
[02:25] <Healot> USA and Iran can fight on different field, ykwim
[02:25] <judgen> since then football might actually be a sport to recon with in the us
[02:25] <DeadS0ul> they didn't do half bad in the last world cup
[02:26] <judgen> today the us call that non existant sprot "football" instead of the real sport football
[02:26] <judgen> i mean if its called football you shoudlnt be allowed to use your hand
[02:27] <DeadS0ul> one of my freinds in high school used to threaten me when I refered to it as 'soccer'
[02:27] <terror_> The FIFA ranking sux! Mexico is not 5 xD
[02:27] <Healot> wth it is called "football" while it doesn;t involve using the foot at most of the time
[02:28] <judgen> and the most pathetic thin is the "world cup" of american football ending i the superbowl. No contenders (except once where there was an aussy team) ever plays in the WORLD cup of american footbal
[02:28] <terror_> Bah, 4
[02:28] <YazzY> howdy
[02:28] <silverbirch> YazzY, hello
[02:29] <terror_> IN my country calle "football"-
[02:29] <terror_> Bah, Ftbol
[02:29] <judgen> DeadS0ul: sure, footabll is the most played sport in the world, why sohould anyone change its name only because the americans has a sport that is similar to rugby, but more for waeklings
[02:30] <judgen> i mean, american football even has protection built totally overdimensionized?
[02:30] <YazzY> I upgraded my box to dapper and I cannot play any sound anymore. The strange thing is my sound card is recognized and it seems everything works. I can i.e play mp3s with mpg123 but there is no sound coming out of my speakers or headphones (they work in windows). Any idea what may be wrong ?
[02:30] <YazzY> silverbirch: hi
[02:30] <DeadS0ul> here people just place bets on it =D
[02:30] <judgen> YazzY: you have the wrong sound enviroment
[02:30] <terror_> They like the american football?(the sport)
[02:30] <DeadS0ul> YazzY: check the volumes
[02:30] <YazzY> judgen: i tried alsa, open sound, auto but nothing works
[02:30] <YazzY> DeadS0ul: i have, did not help
[02:31] <YazzY> DeadS0ul: i tried kmix, aumix
[02:31] <judgen> DeadS0ul:  hehe true i didnt think of that (being drunk) almot as i never ask anymore if you have the power cord conneced to you computer
[02:31] <DeadS0ul> shows the soundcard there?
[02:31] <YazzY> DeadS0ul: sure
[02:31] <DeadS0ul> judgen: hehe
[02:31] <YazzY> DeadS0ul: and i can play sound files, it's just there is no sound coming out of my speakers...
[02:31] <judgen> YazzY: what soundcard?
[02:31] <remy_> DeadS0ul i coming back
[02:32] <remy_> DeadS0ul: and nothing changed
[02:32] <judgen> YazzY: youre not using the digital outputs are you, since if you do you need additional softeare
[02:32] <YazzY> judgen: Creative Labs CT4780 SBLive!
[02:32] <DeadS0ul> lspci still says thesame thing?
[02:32] <judgen> YazzY: it should work out of the mox since pre-warty
[02:32] <remy_> DeadS0ul my sound card has been enable
[02:33] <DeadS0ul> YazzY: 2 soundcards?
[02:33] <judgen> YazzY: get any errors?
[02:33] <YazzY> DeadS0ul: i am not sure what it said before since i did not have to check it, but it recognizes my sound device now (lspci)
[02:33] <YazzY> DeadS0ul: one soundcard
[02:33] <YazzY> judgen: no errors
[02:33] <DeadS0ul> remy_: that's strange, why doesn't lspci detect it t hen
[02:33] <judgen> have you disabled the onboard soundcard in the bios YazzY
[02:33] <remy_> DeadS0ul i dont know
[02:33] <YazzY> judgen: it worked on warty and stoped after upgrade to dapper
[02:33] <DeadS0ul> remy_: paste it for me again
[02:33] <judgen> i didnt realize until soon that kopete has one of the best graphical irc-clients i ever used
[02:33] <YazzY> judgen: no, as i said, it works fine when i boot in windows
[02:34] <DeadS0ul> judgen: you're the only one who thinks that heh
[02:34] <judgen> YazzY: what does kmix tell you?
[02:34] <YazzY> and the card is recognized in ubuntu, it just does not send anything out to the speakers
[02:35] <YazzY> judgen: it says my sound card supports ALSA
[02:35] <YazzY> and OSS
[02:35] <judgen> DeadS0ul: tried it? it resembles viosion so good , that i might n ot haveto port it.
[02:35] <judgen> vision
[02:35] <sss> hey guys
[02:35] <DeadS0ul> judgen: what's viosion?  I'm an mirc user =\
[02:35] <judgen> YazzY: check the volume levels in kmix
[02:36] <judgen> DeadS0ul: vision
[02:36] <YazzY> judgen: and at the bottom it lists my sound card as SBLive! Value [CT4780] 
[02:36] <YazzY> judgen: i have
[02:36] <DeadS0ul> or that
[02:36] <YazzY> judgen: i already said i tried that and aumix
[02:36] <judgen> DeadS0ul: its an BeOS irc client that is the best client for irc ever created
[02:36] <judgen> YazzY: wierd
[02:36] <DeadS0ul> judgen: ah, I haven't tried beOS or zeta in a lllllllllloooooooooooooooooong time
[02:36] <judgen> tried to force a reinstall of alsa?
[02:36] <sss> can i find konqueror in my sypnatic?
[02:36] <YazzY> judgen: nope
[02:37] <YazzY> judgen: why should i?
[02:37] <YazzY> judgen: i tried OSS as well
[02:37] <YazzY> and it does not work either
[02:37] <judgen> DeadS0ul: zeta was a piece of crap untill they started their hardware division... too bad it costs a fortune
[02:37] <sss> anybody help ?
[02:37] <judgen> YazzY:  never experienced that problem, EVER actually
[02:37] <DeadS0ul> YazzY: what bout the switches secton in kmix? have you messed aroudn with those?
[02:38] <silverbirch> DeadS0ul, I had kubuntu 6.06 installed, and dropped it because wanted pclos, but that hates this PC.  So now am doing asnothier installl. I had to use cfdisk to clear old paritions
[02:38] <remy_> DeadS0ul http://rafb.net/paste/results/pFgrvD89.html
[02:38] <judgen> YazzY: my sound though started messing around with me after installing broken packages
[02:38] <YazzY> judgen: i used the supported ones only
[02:38] <silverbirch> default install didn't give me /home
[02:38] <DeadS0ul> silverbirch: and you made the new partitions?
[02:38] <remy_> sss konqueror is in the kde-base package
[02:39] <sss> i know ,but i cant find it
[02:39] <DeadS0ul> silverbirch: manually parition yet?
[02:39] <silverbirch> DeadS0ul, interesting thing is - I thought I made new partitons before install.  But maybe have to make them in live using cfdisk, then reboot, then do install
[02:40] <silverbirch> DeadS0ul, couldn't figure it the partition tool out - cfdisk is so much easier
[02:40] <DeadS0ul> just try the manual partition for now
[02:40] <remy_> sss paste me your sources.list
[02:40] <judgen> cfdisk in ubuntu is unfortunatly not kept up to date, does not support /dev/mapper/* devices created by dmraid
[02:40] <DeadS0ul> silverbirch: yeah I started out with cfdisk, still prefer it =\
[02:41] <silverbirch> DeadS0ul, nah - too complicated, and doesn't work proprerly in dapper anyway
[02:41] <sss> hold on ,remy
[02:41] <DeadS0ul> remy_: lemme look up
[02:41] <DeadS0ul> silverbirch: >| ..might need to submit a bug report
[02:41] <silverbirch> DeadS0ul, our messgaes crossed - I like cfdisk as it works
[02:42] <DeadS0ul> silverbirch: *shrug* go for cfdisk then =D
[02:42] <silverbirch> DeadS0ul, I am not PC savvy enough to know the language and what to look for etc
[02:42] <judgen> dangit, i can almost say that ubuntu with its repos are one of the best things ever happened to to my computer (except beos ofcourse, the speed of an smp beos system is unmatchable to date)
[02:42] <DeadS0ul> silverbirch:  i'll guide you through it
[02:43] <DeadS0ul> remy_: hey what motherboard do you have?
[02:43] <judgen> anyone coding to mpeg4(and all its formats) must lvoe beos and its handbrake(tm) software
[02:43] <DeadS0ul> remy_: your soundcard might be isa soundcard =\
[02:43] <silverbirch> DeadS0ul, I've partitioned using cfdisk, and am currently installing on other PC - limited specs so slow
[02:43] <DeadS0ul> silverbirch: fun
[02:43] <sss> remy,i see almost all component of kde in sypnatic ,except konqueror,why
[02:44] <DeadS0ul> meh I'm hungry, I should grab some dinner soon
[02:44] <remy_> DeadS0ul k7t pro2-a
[02:44] <silverbirch> DeadS0ul, be about 3rd or 4th install, becasause couldn't figure out to get /home as well as / and swaP
[02:44] <DeadS0ul> msi?
[02:44] <judgen> i have a dual opteron 275 (four processors) but im upgrading to a 8way d-core opteron system as soon as socket s-2 arrives
[02:45] <silverbirch> DeadS0ul, GO GET FOOD - GOT TO KEEP HEART AND SOUL GOING :-)
[02:45] <DeadS0ul> silverbirch: haha i went through 3 distros before i stuck with redhard =D
[02:45] <silverbirch> oh oh sorry
[02:45] <DeadS0ul> silverbirch: yes sir/ma'am
[02:45] <judgen> that means 16 cpu =)
[02:45] <DeadS0ul> 16 cpus?
[02:45] <sss> remy,by the way ,im in ubuntu ,
[02:45] <DeadS0ul> holy crap
[02:45] <judgen> beos will fly even better with that hardware
[02:45] <silverbirch> DeadS0ul, yeah I tried a few disrtros
[02:46] <DeadS0ul> judgen: that sounds expensive =O
[02:46] <DeadS0ul> silverbirch: which ones?
[02:46] <silverbirch> DeadS0ul, PClos on main box and kubuntu on other - looks very good.  Intall for newbie is good
[02:47] <remy_> sss i don't know
[02:47] <remy_> sss i am on kubuntu and i have konqueror
[02:48] <DeadS0ul> silverbirch: I ended in debian, don't really care for newbie features now lol
[02:48] <judgen> the absolute worst hing about beos though is it total lack of gcc3, not really a problem as gcc2,9.5 is faster. but still... now yT is bringing gcc4 ill go back to BeOS for good.. as well as they will have afull vb and java support (not that anyone important ever uses vb .net or c# anyways
[02:48] <silverbirch> DeadS0ul, mandriva was main, but have had at various times, vector, debian, mepis, mandriva (for a year), kubuntu, DSL - but some of these I have installed aND NOT USED MUCH
[02:48] <remy_> sss but before installing kde-base i think that konqueror is not present
[02:49] <DeadS0ul> judgen: what's yT?
[02:49] <silverbirch> DeadS0ul, the more I try linux the more I see that debian based stuff is more stable
[02:49] <DeadS0ul> silverbirch: same, after I learned how to use apt, I didn't care for any RH based distros
[02:49] <silverbirch> DeadS0ul, actually - I should say ... the more I use linux
[02:50] <DeadS0ul> silverbirch: how long have you been  using it?
[02:50] <silverbirch> DeadS0ul, yes - started with mandrviva, and hugely helpful community
[02:50] <judgen> silverbirch: mandriva is still stuck in rpm ell though.. very sad
[02:51] <judgen> hell
[02:51] <DeadS0ul> remy_: I'm nost sure what's wrong, but your soundcard isn't being listed here.  It should list under lspci =\
[02:51] <silverbirch> DeadS0ul, seriously since Feb 2005 - but did dabble about 2002 or so, but hardware a bit pathetic
[02:51] <lunitik> judgen: with tools like urpmi... 'rpm hell' doesn't exist
[02:51] <DeadS0ul> judgen: mandriva's colour scheme on boot made me delete it right away
[02:51] <DeadS0ul> urpmi is supposed to be damn good
[02:52] <lunitik> judgen: rpm hell is simply people trying to use rpm itself as if it were something like apt
[02:52] <Healot> RPM gets better with yum and yumex
[02:52] <remy_> DeadS0ul yes msi
[02:52] <DeadS0ul> or apt-rpms
[02:52] <lunitik> judgen: rpm is no better or worse than dpkg... and should be compared to nothing else
[02:52] <silverbirch> judgen, until a couple of months ago I was using mandriva and very happy.  But droves of committed users were leaving so I chabged also.  Manin box pclos, but looking at kuibuntu
[02:52] <Healot> at least rpmbuild is less messy than checkinstall or dh_make
[02:52] <judgen> lunitik: i must admit that it has been a while since i tried any non-deb distro but the total perfection og deb has led me to believe that its one of the best distributionssytem avilable
[02:52] <lunitik> DeadS0ul: apt4rpm is obsolete ...
[02:53] <lunitik> DeadS0ul: apt4rpm stopped being maintained more than a year ago...
[02:53] <DeadS0ul> is it =( I used to use that
[02:53] <lunitik> DeadS0ul: smart will likely become the default... even on Ubuntu
[02:53] <remy_> DeadS0ul and what is the isa bridge in the lspci
[02:53] <judgen> today most serious devs supplies deb packages including nero and such
[02:54] <lunitik> DeadS0ul: Canonical employs the smartpm developer
[02:54] <judgen> nero still rules them all in gui burning
[02:54] <judgen> in both the linux and windows as well as mac world
[02:54] <lunitik> judgen: eh... k3b > nero ... and I'm not just saying that because I use linux  :P
[02:55] <DeadS0ul> remy_: it bridge that connects your ISA bus to the PCI bus
[02:55] <lunitik> Nero on Linux is GTK 1.x  ... thus will _never_ be installed on this box
[02:55] <judgen> lunitik: you cant find hal the features of ner in k3b (and im not saying that because i like nero, only because its true)
[02:55] <lunitik> judgen: like what?
[02:55] <judgen> half* nero *
[02:55] <DeadS0ul> what's smartpm?
[02:56] <gobbe> last time i used nero for linux it was just a crap-copy of gnomebaker with some eyecandy
[02:56] <lunitik> judgen: I've never wanted to do something in k3b and had it not be supported
[02:56] <judgen> lunitik: try nero demo, and tell me after that, what you lack in k3b...
[02:56] <sokuban> How do you install a package from an RPL file?
[02:56] <lunitik> DeadS0ul: http://www.answers.com/
[02:57] <LinuxMonkey-AFK> judgen: im sorry to say but nero under linux is not my favorite
[02:57] <judgen> lunitik: then you probaly wasnt doing advanced enough stuff
[02:57] <lunitik> judgen: why? k3b does everything I want to do
[02:57] <silverbirch> I guess that's one of the things about Linux - choice ...
[02:57] <lunitik> judgen: how advanced can burning cd's (data, music etc)... and creating ISO's get?
[02:58] <judgen> im not arguing, im just saying that there is an alternative of the basic needs that oss dous not support yet, and that such efforts should be supported
[02:58] <remy_> DeadS0ul so what i can do?
[02:58] <DeadS0ul> remy_: I honestly dunno =\
[02:58] <jpatrick> silverbirch: it is the thing about Linux
[02:58] <DeadS0ul> remy_: try another soundcard perhaps
[02:58] <gobbe> judgen, can you say atleast one feature of nero that you are using and it's not in k3b?
[02:59] <judgen> lunitik:  you can not dissagree wit this, can yah?
[02:59] <judgen> gobbe:  yes
[02:59] <lunitik> judgen: answer gobbe's question
[02:59] <judgen> i did
[02:59] <lunitik> judgen: do it
[02:59] <lunitik> judgen: what oh so important feature do you use that K3B doesn't support?
[03:00] <gobbe> judgen, and it is?
[03:00] <sokuban> nvm, I found out how to, use alien right?
[03:00] <remy_> DeadS0ul yes i have another sound card but i must disable the currently no?
[03:00] <judgen> sorry, youre all right, maybe i have been using k3b wrongly
[03:00] <DeadS0ul> remy_: yeah do that
[03:00] <gobbe> i'm just interested because atleast nero was nothing but a 1:1 copy of gnomebaker when i last tried it :)
[03:00] <silverbirch> jpatrick, and for newbies like me makes it difficult to choose
[03:00] <LinuxMonkey-AFK> actually k3b has alot more features than nero if you know how to use them and besides nero is old and out dated
[03:00] <remy_> DeadS0ul ok i will try it
[03:01] <remy_> DeadS0ul thanks for your help
[03:01] <remy_> DeadS0ul bye
[03:01] <lunitik> gobbe: more likely the other way around, but still  :P
[03:01] <judgen> im not usually a gui user, so it makes me blind to the gui app vhanges
[03:01] <DeadS0ul> silverbirch: yeahfor me too, ingernal I look for qt/kde apps though
[03:01] <lunitik> judgen: you use Nero because its what you used on Windows... and is what you are used to... please don't pretend its for other reasons
[03:01] <gobbe> judgen, and what is the feature that you are using in nero that cannot be found from k3b?
[03:02] <lunitik> s/its/it's/
[03:02] <judgen> lunitik:  i usually use beos m no...
[03:02] <havoc> morning people
[03:02] <silverbirch> DeadS0ul, I am a computer novice so look for things that work, and go for distros that have everything - ex windows
[03:03] <silverbirch> sorry lunitik
[03:03] <silverbirch> :-)
[03:03] <silverbirch> have to be honest
[03:03] <judgen> i prefer cd/dvdrecord terminal usage, but friends tell me that they prefer nero, maybe because they are former window users but i dont knw
[03:03] <DeadS0ul> is tehre a game on?
[03:04] <DeadS0ul> there's a lot of coming from the bars down the street
[03:04] <DeadS0ul> ...anywya i'm gonna et some food
[03:04] <gobbe> judgen, so you are not using nero at all?
[03:04] <silverbirch> judgen, i had problems with using k3b in one install, then got a command on irc , and worked, so always use it now
[03:04] <judgen> not me personally, but they tell me its nicer than k3b
[03:05] <judgen> tell me instead what k3b can do that cd/dvdrecord can not doi
[03:05] <gobbe> i looked features from the nero's www-page and only feature that i see what is missing from k3b is "Digital Audio Extraction for audio tracks"
[03:05] <linuxmonkey> lol gobbe and we do that with better tools in linux
[03:06] <judgen> gobbe: that is a nice feaure as you arent allowed (in the us) to do this wihtouth breaking patents
[03:06] <silverbirch> jug
[03:06] <gobbe> linuxmonkey, yea
[03:06] <sokuban> I used alien to install an rpm package, when I did the 'alien -i' command I saw some flashy stuff like the rpm package converted into a deb, then the deb dissapeared after a while. Nothing else came up in Konsole, but can I assume that I installed the package?
[03:07] <judgen> GOD DAMNIT I HATE POLLEN!
[03:07] <gobbe> i'll download nero and trie that
[03:07] <sokuban> or is there a way to check what packages were installed? Remember, I didn't use adept, I did it in Konsole
[03:08] <silverbirch> judgen, can on ly speakfrom personal experience where I have founds command line worked when k3b didn't.  This was in pclos, and once upgrdaded, problem stopped.
[03:08] <h3sp4wn> sokuban: Did you use aptitude from the konsole or apt-get ?
[03:09] <gobbe> judgen, infact cd/dvdrecord is the tool i use if not too lazy and use k3b ;-)
[03:10] <sokuban> neither, I used 'alien -i'
[03:10] <silverbirch> judgen, guess I need to get kubuntu installed (in progress on other box)
[03:10] <silverbirch> again
[03:10] <sokuban> I don't think I installed it, because if I try the exact same command the same thing happens and I don't get any 'it is already installed error'
[03:11] <h3sp4wn> I wouldn't use alien
[03:11] <judgen> silverbirch: kubuntu is the best.. though i prefer the minimal server installation (if youre a cli person you would too)
[03:11] <h3sp4wn> judgen: Are you running the server kernel ?
[03:12] <sokuban> just to tell you I typed in 'sudo alien -i /home/sokuban/SDL-1.2.10-1.i386.rpm
[03:12] <judgen> h3sp4wn: yes
[03:12] <silverbirch> jug
[03:12] <judgen> gets very good smp support
[03:12] <sokuban> >_> so if I don't use alien, how do I install an RPM?
[03:12] <h3sp4wn> judgen: Do you use kde on it as well ?
[03:12] <judgen> sokuban: remake the package
[03:13] <silverbirch> judgen, I use the comand line, but really am a newbies, and don't have commands at my elbow, so to speak
[03:13] <judgen> h3sp4wn: only when i need vlc or konqueror
[03:13] <sokuban> or can I get SDL through apt-get somehow?
[03:13] <judgen> sokuban: yes
[03:14] <noaXess> what you guys with laptop prefere... kpowersave or klaptop?
[03:14] <Hobbsee> kpowersave.
[03:14] <sokuban> oh, so how do I get SDL without all the mess >_>
[03:14] <Anon> hi
[03:14] <judgen> noaXess_kubuntu: depends on architecture
[03:15] <judgen> sokuban: do you only need the sdl libs or do you need some kind of runtime?
[03:16] <Anon> erm
[03:16] <h3sp4wn> judgen: I don't suppose interactive performance on kde would be any slower with 4 opterons - But I am a fan of real time preemption (makes kubuntu actually feel fast)
[03:16] <judgen> sokuban: do a "sudo apt-get install libsdl*"
[03:16] <noaXess> judgen: 2ghz centrino, fglrx
[03:17] <sokuban> just the libs >_> thanks
[03:17] <judgen> then kpowersave, if you have an amd then you shouls also look into the powernow kernel
[03:17] <Anon> I'd need help to install an application...
[03:17] <judgen> sokuban: yes its only the libs
[03:17] <Anon> I got some problem
[03:18] <judgen> Anon: what app
[03:18] <Anon> related to kubuntu
[03:18] <Anon> the problem is I got both rpm and tar versions
[03:18] <Anon> but...
[03:18] <Anon> rpm can be install
[03:18] <judgen> plz use ont line
[03:18] <Anon> ?
[03:18] <sokuban> umm I got a wierd error
[03:18] <Anon> ont line?
[03:18] <sokuban> I'll pastebin it
[03:18] <judgen> why do you want rpm??
[03:19] <Anon> me?
[03:19] <Anon> no
[03:19] <Anon> erm
[03:19] <Anon> kubuntu can't find both rpm and make
[03:19] <judgen> what app?
[03:19] <linuxmonkey> this is odd, I add a nfs entry in my /etc/fstab and run sudo mount -a and it mounts the NFS but the command line freeze, anyone know why?
[03:19] <Anon> what is ont line btw?
[03:20] <silverbirch> seems to me kubuntu has huge repos
[03:20] <Anon> repos?
[03:20] <Hobbsee> repositories
[03:20] <Hobbsee> silverbirch: er, isnt that the idea?
[03:20] <Anon> hmm
[03:20] <Hobbsee> !rpm
[03:20] <ubotu> somebody said rpm was the Redhat Package Management file. Very similar to Debian's DEB files, but require alien to install. ask me about !alien
[03:20] <Anon> judgen...
[03:20] <judgen> im off
[03:21] <Hobbsee> Anon: ^
[03:21] <Anon> I don't care about rpm or tgz
[03:21] <Anon> but I can't find both rpm nor make executables
[03:21] <Anon> oops
[03:21] <Anon> he's gone
[03:22] <jpatrick> Anon: I think you scared  him
[03:22] <Anon> uh...
[03:22] <Anon> I'm a nice boy....
[03:22] <Anon> :)
[03:22] <jpatrick> :)
[03:22] <Hobbsee> Anon: make should be in build-essentials
[03:22] <sokuban> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15467
[03:23] <silverbirch> Hobbsee, hmm - so far seems to me it is so very easy to add stuff.  I DO have to say had pretty good experience with mandriva, but so far apt-get better
[03:23] <sokuban> is that error bad?
[03:23] <Hobbsee> silverbirch: yay :)
[03:23] <Anon> well yes
[03:23] <Anon> but...
[03:23] <Anon> under add apps->development there are no items
[03:23] <Anon> so I can't add make
[03:23] <Anon> unless...
[03:24] <Anon> I install gcc?
[03:24] <silverbirch> Hobbsee, :-)
[03:24] <Hobbsee> !compile
[03:24] <ubotu> A nice howto about compiling software from source code can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CompilingSoftware (but remember to search !apt first, after adding all the !repos)
[03:24] <Anon> but there again...I prolly can't do it...
[03:24] <Anon> if I get rpm or tgz packagres
[03:25] <Hobbsee> the rpm you might be able to use alien on, otherwise, if you compile the tgz package, that should work
[03:25] <silverbirch> Hobbsee, main distro still pclos, but kubuntu looking very likely - just the admin thin
[03:25] <Hobbsee> what program is this, anyway?
[03:25] <Hobbsee> silverbirch: you've got those admin problems?
[03:25] <Anon> anyway I use kubuntu 606
[03:25] <Anon> shouldn't it came with all the necessary already installed?
[03:26] <sokuban> is this error bad? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15467
[03:26] <silverbirch> Hobbsee, probably not - setting up box for sister who hasn't used linus - but she is very smart
[03:26] <Hobbsee> silverbirch: girls are good wiht figuring stuff like that out :)
[03:26] <Hobbsee> silverbirch: define "the admin thing" then
[03:26] <silverbirch> Hobbsee, :-)
[03:26] <silverbirch> thanks
[03:27] <gustavo> wh
[03:27] <Hobbsee> Anon: not stuff to compile, which program are you trying to install?
[03:27] <Hobbsee> sokuban: er, yes it is
[03:27] <Anon> lemme see
[03:27] <gustavo> where can i find more repositories for kubuntu 6?
[03:27] <sokuban> umm so what happened?
[03:27] <silverbirch> I uyse PCLos but wondering about kubuntu now :-)
[03:27] <Anon> gustavo... italian?
[03:27] <sokuban> how am I supposed to install libsdl?
[03:27] <gustavo> ano.. brazilian
[03:27] <Anon> avg
[03:27] <Anon> I see
[03:27] <gustavo> why?
[03:28] <Anon> it's an antivirus
[03:28] <Anon> It sounds like an italian name
[03:28] <DeadS0ul> you don't really need it
[03:28] <gustavo> and u
[03:28] <gustavo> where are u from?
[03:28] <linuxmonkey> tring to write to a NFS drive and its so slow over the 100mbit network . 300KB/s anyone know why its so slow?
[03:28] <DeadS0ul> I GOT DINNER =D
[03:28] <Hobbsee> silverbirch: :)
[03:28] <Anon> ok, but any other package show thesame problem
[03:28] <Anon> I got to get rid of it
[03:28] <Anon> anyways
[03:29] <Anon> gustavo... italian
[03:29] <silverbirch> back soon
[03:29] <DeadS0ul> linuxmonkey: how'd you test it's throughput =O
[03:29] <gustavo> anon ... i have a friend from bolonha
[03:29] <Anon> bologna?
[03:29] <gustavo> yeah
[03:29] <Anon> :)
[03:29] <linuxmonkey> Deadsoul i download stuff from the web faster
[03:30] <gustavo> where can i find more repositories for kubuntu 6?
[03:30] <visik7> gustavo: what apps yo don't have ?
[03:30] <Anon> sob...
[03:30] <jpatrick> !sources
[03:30] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource.
[03:30] <gustavo> an dvd player for example
[03:30] <gustavo> i want to play a movie in my notebook
[03:30] <sokuban> wait, does the error I got mean that libsdl is already installed?
[03:30] <jpatrick> gustavo: KMPlayer / Codeine
[03:31] <DeadS0ul> linuxmonkey: meh, I tthought you used something to benchmark it
[03:31] <steveire> hey. I've installed ubuntu with gnome, which I don't like, so I'm going to reinstall kde. If i aptitude install kde-core, it will be fully funtioning, right?
[03:31] <Anon> DeadS0ul... what's a good firewall for fubuntu?
[03:31] <linuxmonkey> no man im currently transfering ogg files and its creepy slow
[03:31] <Anon> smoothwall?
[03:31] <DeadS0ul> steveire: apt-get install kubuntu-destkop
[03:31] <DeadS0ul> desktop even
[03:32] <Anon> desktop even?
[03:32] <DeadS0ul> ..firewall? linux's netfilter
[03:32] <Anon> netfilter?
[03:32] <Anon> I'll look for it
[03:32] <Anon> thanks
[03:32] <DeadS0ul> Anon: in 2.6 it's known as iptables
[03:32] <Anon> 2.6?
[03:32] <Anon> what?
[03:32] <DeadS0ul> kernel 2.6.
[03:32] <skorpion> hi...i've just installed kubuntu 6.06...can someone help with ati-flgrx?
[03:32] <steveire> I don't want openoffice, and other stuff that comes in if I do that. I figure I can get kde-core, and then add exactly what I want to it.
[03:33] <Anon> kubuntu 606 uses it?
[03:33] <Anon> I guess it does
[03:33] <Anon> ok
[03:33] <DeadS0ul> Anon:  yeah, almost all linux do
[03:33] <skorpion> i've to install it for my graphic card
[03:33] <Anon> smoothwall is bad btw?
[03:34] <Anon> I read it had good response
[03:34] <makko> in kubuntu, why isn't amarok compiled with libvisual support?
[03:34] <Anon> woah... it's a torrent of questions here... :)
[03:34] <DeadS0ul> skorpion: you probobly need the restricted kernel modules, add multiverse and universe to your repositories, and apt-get install linux-restricted-modules for your kernel
[03:35] <skorpion> maybe
[03:35] <skorpion> i've only a problem
[03:35] <DeadS0ul> Anon: i dunno about smoothwall =\
[03:35] <steveire> I'll install kde-core and see what happens, so
[03:35] <Anon> I see. btw DeadS0ul ... how comes I can't find make in kubuntu?
[03:36] <DeadS0ul> find? make?
[03:36] <Anon> I can't find make to compile tgz packages
[03:36] <Anon> nor rpm to install rpm images
[03:36] <DeadS0ul> you have gcc installed?
[03:36] <noaXess> how can i install a deb package?
[03:36] <Anon> (though rpm is for red hat)
[03:36] <noaXess> have downloaded one..
[03:36] <makko> how does the "number of engine buffers" ("engine.buffers.audio_num_buffers:230") translate as ram mebibites (occupied)?
[03:36] <Chousuke> Anon: you can't install rpms on Ubuntu
[03:36] <skorpion> dpkg -i name of package
[03:37] <gustavo> codeine is not working and kplayer too
[03:37] <skorpion> noaXess
[03:37] <noaXess> skorpion: aha.. not with apt-get
[03:37] <Chousuke> Anon: you can use Alien to convert  them, but that's not recommended
[03:37] <skorpion> sorry
[03:37] <skorpion> :D
[03:37] <Anon> DeadS0ul... no and it isn't inside "add/remove applications" either
[03:37] <Anon> I know Chousuke.. I read it somewhere
[03:37] <makko> Anon: in kubuntu, why isn't amarok compiled with libvisual support?
[03:38] <DeadS0ul> Anon in console type sudo apt-get install gcc ? i'm not good with compilers though =D
[03:38] <Anon> makko.. I'm a total noob too
[03:38] <Anon> about linux...
[03:38] <makko> Anon: oh...
[03:38] <makko> Anon: then do you need help?
[03:38] <makko> Anon: :)
[03:38] <Anon> I tryed to find tutorials...
[03:38] <DeadS0ul> Makko there's a channel for amarok
[03:38] <Anon> I joined because I couldn't find a way to get rid of it by myself...
[03:39] <Anon> erm DeadS0ul...
[03:39] <Anon> is it a way to download it?
[03:39] <DeadS0ul> yeah? sorry I'm eating dinnner heh
[03:39] <Anon> np
[03:39] <DeadS0ul> get rid of what again?
[03:39] <Anon> it's enough you reply even slowly...
[03:40] <Anon> my problem with make...
[03:40] <DeadS0ul> i have a sudden urge to go play WoW..must..fight it..must..
[03:40] <DeadS0ul> ah
[03:40] <DeadS0ul> launch konsole ..
[03:40] <Anon> lol.. warcraft uh?
[03:40] <Anon> yes?
[03:40] <gustavo> can any onde help me to play a dvd in my kubuntu
[03:40] <DeadS0ul> yeah =\
[03:40] <rosemary> looks like this install using cfdisk to make partiions worked
[03:40] <Anon> then?
[03:40] <Anon> btw...
[03:40] <DeadS0ul> type in dpkg -l | grep gcc
[03:40] <Anon> DeadS0ul... I ain't under kubuntu right now...
[03:40] <DeadS0ul> rosemary: sweet =D
[03:41] <Anon> hmm
[03:41] <DeadS0ul> oh
[03:41] <DeadS0ul> in windows atm?
[03:41] <Anon> to find it using grep
[03:41] <rosemary> DeadS0ul: yep
[03:41] <Anon> ok
[03:41] <Anon> yes
[03:41] <Anon> windows
[03:41] <Anon> root shell right DeadS0ul?
[03:41] <DeadS0ul> usually Gcc is installed by default ..you should have make
[03:42] <DeadS0ul> a shell, yeah =D
[03:42] <Anon> it should.. but looks like it isn't shipped with kubuntu...
[03:42] <DeadS0ul> ...meh I can't wait to sink my teeth into this portugese egg tart
[03:42] <samuli> gcc isn't shipped with ubuntu or kubuntu
[03:42] <DeadS0ul> Anon I doubt that =\
[03:42] <h3sp4wn> you need build-essential
[03:42] <DeadS0ul> really?
[03:42] <samuli> sudo apt-get install build-essential
[03:42] <Anon> see
[03:42] <Anon> T_T
[03:42] <DeadS0ul> there ya go
[03:42] <Anon> lol
[03:43] <DeadS0ul> build-essential, I remember seeing that her somewhere
[03:43] <Anon> apt-get with internet?
[03:43] <DeadS0ul> or your cd in teh drive
[03:43] <DeadS0ul> internet would be better
[03:43] <Anon> better...I didn't conigure linux yet
[03:43] <steveire> OK, well I've installed kde-core. I'm going to log out of here, and hopefully log into kde...
[03:43] <samuli> it's a meta-package that installs gcc, make and who knows what :)
[03:44] <Anon> I see
[03:44] <Anon> the same with alien?
[03:44] <DeadS0ul> samuli: all that probably installed whenI installed module-assistant
[03:44] <simp> what systems do edubuntu and xubuntu use?(i know that ubuntu uses gnome and kubuntu uses kde)
[03:44] <Anon> or is it an integrated shell command?
[03:44] <DeadS0ul> Anon: alien converts rpms to debs, it's hack and not recommended
[03:44] <samuli> deadsoul, dunno about that.
[03:44] <skorpion> DeadS0ul sorry....with the ati's installer i can't generate packages for ubuntu 6.06...this is my problem...i've linux-restricted-modules...what can i do?
[03:44] <Anon> yep
[03:44] <Anon> ok
[03:44] <Anon> I'll try tgz packages then
[03:44] <samuli> Anon, just type sudo apt-get install build-essential in terminal.
[03:45] <Anon> ok, ok
[03:45] <samba-ldap> hi @all
[03:45] <DeadS0ul> skorpion: find out your kenrel vrsion, using uname -r
[03:45] <samuli> Anon, take it from the repos. It's by far easier and the preferred method anyways.
[03:45] <samba-ldap> i there a specialist for remastering
[03:45] <Anon> I wrote down that command
[03:45] <DeadS0ul> then install the appropriate restricted module package for it
[03:45] <Anon> samuli...
[03:45] <h3sp4wn> skorpion: why cannot you generate packages for 6.06 ?
[03:45] <skorpion> i've already done
[03:45] <skorpion> :D
[03:45] <Anon> I can't even insatall a firewall
[03:45] <samuli> Anon, yes?
[03:46] <Anon> so there's no way I connect to internet
[03:46] <rosemary> bye guys
[03:46] <samuli> Anon, how do you irc then?
[03:46] <skorpion> h3sp4wn it gets an error and brakes
[03:46] <DeadS0ul> rosemary: cya
[03:46] <Anon> bye rosemary
[03:46] <skorpion> so i can't install it
[03:46] <Anon> windows samuli
[03:47] <h3sp4wn> skorpion: using ./ati-driver-installer-8.25.18-x86.run --buildpkg Ubuntu/6.06
[03:47] <skorpion> i try
[03:47] <Anon> I decided to use linux only lately
[03:47] <samuli> Anon, okay. So your real problem is that you don't have working internet connection in linux.
[03:47] <Anon> right now no
[03:47] <Anon> till I configure my machine the right way
[03:47] <h3sp4wn> skorpion: that is the same version that is available with apt though in dapper
[03:47] <DeadS0ul> you don't need a firewall for that heh
[03:47] <skorpion> ok
[03:47] <CaBlGuY> Anon are u running dapper?
[03:47] <Anon> nope
[03:48] <CaBlGuY> Anon:  what distro then?
[03:48] <Anon> I don't need a firewall DeadS0ul?
[03:48] <Anon> kubuntu 6.06
[03:48] <samuli> Anon, no you don't.
[03:48] <DeadS0ul> to get on the net =O
[03:48] <CaBlGuY> Anon: no, u don't need a firewall with Linux
[03:48] <Anon> why?
[03:48] <Anon> viruses are theretoo
[03:48] <CaBlGuY> Anon:  ok, so you ARE RUNNING DAPPER..
[03:48] <h3sp4wn> It depends if you have open ports
[03:48] <CaBlGuY> THAT'S WHAT 6.06 IS..
[03:48] <Anon> i see
[03:48] <skorpion> hahah
[03:48] <Anon> dapper...
[03:48] <skorpion> :D
[03:48] <CaBlGuY> OOpps sorry bout the caps..
[03:49] <Anon> well h3sp4wn...
[03:49] <CaBlGuY> yes dapper
[03:49] <havoc> h3sp4wn: morning
[03:49] <Anon> how am I supposed to close prots without a firewall?
[03:49] <samuli> anon, ubuntu doesn't listen to any ports by default, so it's safe.
[03:49] <h3sp4wn> havoc: morning
[03:49] <Anon> oh...
[03:49] <CaBlGuY> and should have no problem getting online form the main install.. unless you got some lkinda hardware it doens't recongnise..
[03:49] <Anon> O_O
[03:49] <samuli> Anon, iptables
[03:49] <Anon> wooo
[03:49] <samuli> anon, but might as well use firestarter, it's good.
[03:50] <h3sp4wn> Anon: If you have a machine on permenantly with a public ip address and open ports you should use a firewall
[03:50] <Anon> well, ok
[03:50] <Anon> I'm trying to look for antiviruses, firewalls etc...
[03:50] <Anon> but the problem right know is to install gcc packsge...
[03:50] <CaBlGuY> U don't need a firewall with Linux unless you logging intoi your root account and using it all the time...
[03:51] <Anon> after I do it I'll step onwards
[03:51] <h3sp4wn> samuli: Any idea about qos using ipt_CONNTRACK (with the mangle table)
[03:51] <makko> DeadS0ul: i know there's a channel for amarok, but they sent me here because they don't know how to help me compile amarok
[03:51] <Anon> yes...
[03:51] <samuli> h3sp4wn: no :)
[03:51] <CaBlGuY> Anon:  with Linuxm, that isn't nesacery..
[03:51] <makko> DeadS0ul: could you please help me?
[03:51] <Anon> I got it...
[03:51] <makko> DeadS0ul: i don't know how or what to compile
[03:51] <DeadS0ul> makko: i dunno about it either =\
[03:51] <Anon> mplayer makko
[03:51] <DeadS0ul> oh
[03:51] <Anon> or vlc maybe
[03:51] <makko> Anon: well, i want to use amarok, not mplayer :)
[03:52] <DeadS0ul> makko: what're you trying to do
[03:52] <DeadS0ul> Anon: haha you havnet' tried amarok
[03:52] <Anon> oops
[03:52] <CaBlGuY> makko:  EEwwwwWWwwWW   Amrok..   :-O
[03:52] <CaBlGuY> :p
[03:52] <Anon> I dunno what the is...
[03:52] <DeadS0ul> Anon: it's the best mp3 player on linux atm
[03:52] <Anon> :)
[03:52] <Anon> oo-key
[03:52] <CaBlGuY> or NOT
[03:52] <vinboy> why do u wan to compile amarok urself?
[03:52] <samuli> makko, you don't need compile anything.. just apt-get amarok
[03:52] <DeadS0ul> when you gt into linux, apt-get install amarok
[03:52] <Anon> next app I'll look for then :)
[03:52] <CaBlGuY> no..
[03:53] <DeadS0ul> CaBlGuY: i know what you mean, i use juk
[03:53] <DeadS0ul> don't like amarok that much
[03:53] <CaBlGuY> when u get it installed, sudo apt-get install beep-media-player
[03:53] <h3sp4wn> samuli: I prioritise outgoing ssh above anything else but haven't managed to do anything else with it
[03:53] <fek> moin
[03:54] <Anon> btw... sudo apt-get install build-essential is to install from web... what's the syntax to install from cd?
[03:54] <CaBlGuY> Anon:  u don't need all that to install form CD, it does the install automatically..
[03:54] <DeadS0ul> =O, crap I dunno I always get it from the net these days XD
[03:54] <SkOrPiOn> h3sp4wn, it doesn't work
[03:55] <makko> samuli: my amarok doesn't support libvisual
[03:55] <CaBlGuY> U mearly answer a few basic questions.. and that's it..
[03:55] <makko> samuli: this is why they say i need to recompile it
[03:55] <SkOrPiOn> maybe i need something
[03:55] <Bazzi> Anon: afaik is build-essential not on the cd...
[03:55] <Anon> bohooo
[03:55] <Anon> so I need to connect...
[03:55] <Anon> :\
[03:55] <Bazzi> ohnoes the internets!
[03:55] <DeadS0ul> Anon:  what do you use DSL? or modem?
[03:55] <Anon> and if I wanna the install package?
[03:55] <CaBlGuY> Anon:  just DL the ISO image, burn it, and install..
[03:56] <CaBlGuY> easy as pie..
[03:56] <h3sp4wn> Sk0rpiOn: Why are you not installing from the repos ?
[03:56] <Anon> I dled iso of kubuntu...
[03:56] <h3sp4wn> Sk0rpiOn: Custom kernel ?
[03:56] <Anon> I installed it too
[03:56] <SkOrPiOn> no
[03:56] <Anon> no
[03:56] <Anon> oops
[03:56] <Anon> :)
[03:56] <CaBlGuY> Yikes..  OK, then CROSS YOUR FINGERS, and burn the IsO..   :p
[03:56] <SkOrPiOn> you suggest me repos?
[03:56] <Anon> did it already...
[03:57] <Anon> CaBlGuY...
[03:57] <CaBlGuY> Anon:  u got Kubuntu installed??????
[03:57] <Anon> looks like essentials aren't inside the cd
[03:57] <Anon> YES!!!
[03:57] <DeadS0ul> yeah, he hasn't hooked it up to the net yet
[03:57] <CaBlGuY> :-O
[03:57] <jpatrick> Anon: should be
[03:57] <CaBlGuY> Ummmm  ok, u got the wrong CD then..
[03:57] <Anon> nope
[03:57] <Anon> from the site...
[03:57] <Anon> erm
[03:57] <h3sp4wn> the desktop cd doesn't have any deb's on it at all does it ?
[03:57] <CaBlGuY> yea, WRONG CD..
[03:57] <Anon> kubuntu site
[03:57] <Anon> meh
[03:57] <makko> samuli: do you understand what i mean?
[03:58] <CaBlGuY> Every CD has all the stuff on it
[03:58] <Anon> it isn't the live version...
[03:58] <CaBlGuY> OH..
[03:58] <Anon> it's the full version
[03:58] <CaBlGuY> Live versions suk..
[03:58] <CaBlGuY> :p
[03:58] <Anon> 700mb...
[03:58] <Anon> it's the full pack
[03:58] <DeadS0ul> the things people put on youtube
[03:58] <CaBlGuY> Anon:  if it's the "full pack" why aint it got all the esentials??
[03:58] <samuli> makko, yeah.. you compiled it yourself but didn't have libvisual-devs?
[03:58] <Anon> how am I supposed to know?
[03:58] <h3sp4wn> I didn't think build-essential  was on the default cd's at all
[03:59] <Anon> :\
[03:59] <makko> samuli: no, i installed the official one
[03:59] <CaBlGuY> I'll tell ya..
[03:59] <makko> samuli: ... which has no libvisual support
[03:59] <CaBlGuY> Y Because u got the wrong CD's..
[03:59] <CaBlGuY> that's why..
[03:59] <samuli> makko, ahh, ok.
[03:59] <makko> samuli: or at least i can't enable it from amarok... it says no plugin available
[03:59] <Anon> CaBlGuY...
[03:59] <samuli> makko, have you tried the amarok1.4 repos?
[03:59] <Anon> if you gon in kubuntu site there aren't many packages...
[03:59] <makko> samuli: no!!...? what is that?
[03:59] <CaBlGuY> If you go into Kubunti, will u be able to do a sudo apt-get update?
[03:59] <samuli> makko, are you using dapper??
[03:59] <makko> samuli: yes
[04:00] <Hobbsee> !amarok1.4
[04:00] <Anon> only one in several mirrors
[04:00] <ubotu> Wish I knew. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, Hobbsee
[04:00] <makko> samuli: dapper kubuntu 06 06
[04:00] <CaBlGuY> Anon, yes there are sir.. I've been there..
[04:00] <makko> samuli: the live cd (desktop)
[04:00] <makko> samuli: final
[04:00] <samuli> makko, ok. one sec.
[04:00] <Anon> hmm
[04:00] <Anon> going too CaBlGuY
[04:00] <Anon> lemme take a look
[04:00] <h3sp4wn> Anon: Could you burn the dvd ?
[04:00] <Anon> yes
[04:00] <samuli> makko, deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/amarok-14 dapper main
[04:01] <h3sp4wn> Anon: I think the dvd has all of main on it
[04:01] <h3sp4wn> Anon: Which would include gcc etc
[04:01] <makko> samuli: oh, thank you. this is another repo!
[04:01] <Anon> ok, I'm there
[04:01] <Anon> I dled the cd
[04:01] <Anon> not the torrent
[04:01] <makko> samuli: but are you sure it includes support for visualisations?
[04:01] <CaBlGuY> well, im off for a bit..  have fun Anon...  ;)
[04:01] <makko> samuli: and any idea why the official ubuntu repos don't include visualisations then?
[04:02] <Anon> thanks CaBlGuY
[04:02] <Anon> :\
[04:02] <samuli> makko, I've always thought they do.. never used the visuals myself though.
[04:02] <makko> samuli: got it
[04:02] <makko> samuli: thanks
[04:02] <Anon> even though I download the CD... shouldn't the essentials at least be there?
[04:03] <Anon> ...
[04:03] <Anon> they're essentials after all
[04:03] <samuli> Anon, I don't think they're on any of the cd's
[04:03] <Anon> nor cd nor dvd u?
[04:03] <Anon> damn
[04:04] <samuli> ubuntu-users aren't really supposed to be compiling their own progs, it's doesn't fit the ubuntu ideology.
[04:04] <samuli> they are on the dvd for sure.
[04:04] <Anon> olright
[04:04] <samuli> would be mad if they weren't
[04:04] <Anon> hoe can you install packages then?
[04:04] <Anon> .deb files?
[04:04] <Anon> tgz packs need make
[04:04] <samuli> anon.. you know you could just get the build-essential debs with windows and move them to ubuntu.
[04:04] <h3sp4wn> It is not against the ubuntu ideology to compile programs I don't think] 
[04:05] <samuli> Anon, dpkg -i name.deb
[04:05] <DeadS0ul> Anon: : leanred to use adept
[04:05] <Anon> hmm
[04:05] <Anon> and.. where am I supposed to find essential? (url)
[04:06] <h3sp4wn> you would have to find out all the dependancies though (remember dpkg-dev which is in build essential depends on alot of other stuff)
[04:06] <Anon> I can't download the full dvd from torrent...
[04:06] <Anon> hmm
[04:06] <Anon> sounds complex
[04:06] <h3sp4wn> Anon: If you can get the dvd it would be alot easier
[04:06] <Anon> uh,uh
[04:06] <Anon> but they ARE there for sure right?
[04:07] <h3sp4wn> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/6.06/release/ubuntu-6.06-dvd-i386.iso
[04:07] <Anon> I don't wanna download a DVD in a week to find they aren't inside...
[04:07] <h3sp4wn> If you have a slow connection it is probably not a good idea
[04:07] <jpatrick> Anon: they are
[04:07] <Anon> THAKNS for the link
[04:07] <Anon> OKAY!
[04:07] <Anon> I'm gonna get it
[04:08] <Anon> wooo 3,5Gb
[04:08] <iNiku> hmm, has anyone received any updates in the past few days?
[04:08] <Anon> in download ...
[04:08] <Anon> :D
[04:08] <h3sp4wn> iNiku: yes
[04:08] <samuli> Anon, why don't you just download the debs and burn them?
[04:08] <h3sp4wn> iNiku: from security.ubuntu.com
[04:09] <Anon> well..
[04:09] <Anon> where?
[04:09] <iNiku> h3sp4wn: did you get the automatic notification in the system tray?
[04:09] <iNiku> h3sp4wn: or did you apt-get update manually?
[04:09] <samuli> if all you need is build-essential packages no idea to download dvd's worth of stuff.
[04:09] <Anon> samuli.. where?
[04:09] <h3sp4wn> iNiku: I think
[04:09] <jpatrick> Anon: http://packages.ubuntu.com/
[04:09] <Anon> thanks
[04:09] <iNiku> h3sp4wn: I'm pretty sure the notifier doesn't work right for me
[04:09] <iNiku> h3sp4wn: it does pop up after I do a manual apt-get update
[04:10] <samuli> you need check out the depencies carefully though.
[04:10] <SkOrPiOn> yeeees!
[04:10] <iNiku> but it never seems to notice any updates by itself
[04:10] <Anon> samuli... dependencies?
[04:10] <h3sp4wn> samuli: The problem is build-essential has dpkg-dev as a dependancy which in turn depends on dpkg (>= 1.13.1), perl5, perl-modules, cpio (>= 2.4.2-2), patch (>= 2.2-1), make, binutils
[04:10] <Anon> in the project?
[04:10] <iNiku> anyone else experiencing that?
[04:10] <SkOrPiOn> h3sp4wn i need this: sudo apt-get install gcc-3.3-base gcc-3.4 module-assistant build-essential debhelper fakeroot dh-make debconf libstdc++5
[04:10] <SkOrPiOn> ;)
[04:10] <SkOrPiOn> now works
[04:10] <Anon> I dunno what you're talking about samuli
[04:11] <SkOrPiOn> someone from italy?
[04:11] <Anon> packs like perl etc?
[04:11] <Anon> yes
[04:11] <Anon> ciao SkOrPiOn
[04:11] <samuli> h3sp4wn, that's because build-essential is a meta-package and only contains a list of other packages.
[04:11] <SkOrPiOn> ciao bello
[04:11] <SkOrPiOn> ;)
[04:11] <Anon> :)
[04:11] <iNiku> anyone know where the adept notifier can be configured?
[04:11] <SkOrPiOn> faccio schifo con l'inglese ma mi alleno
[04:11] <SkOrPiOn> :)
[04:11] <h3sp4wn> samuli: I know why its just it makes it difficult to manually download the debs
[04:11] <samuli> Anon, download the packages h3sp4wn mentioned.
[04:11] <Anon> fai bene
[04:11] <Anon> hmm
[04:12] <samuli> h3sp4wn: yeah.. but it's still faster than dowloading 3,5GB worth of crap :)
[04:12] <h3sp4wn> libc6-dev | libc-dev, gcc (>= 4:4.0), g++ (>= 4:4.0), make, dpkg-dev (>= 1.13.5)
[04:12] <Anon> samuli... what pack?
[04:13] <Anon> there's a load of text but I can't recognize anything important
[04:13] <samuli> Anon, those are the packages you need.
[04:13] <Anon> libc6-dev | libc-dev, gcc (>= 4:4.0), g++ (>= 4:4.0), make, dpkg-dev (>= 1.13.5) <-?
[04:14] <samuli> Anon, wait a sec.
[04:14] <Anon> sure
[04:14] <Anon> I won't move
[04:14] <DeadS0ul> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIeIWkK0t4s&search=evolution%20of%20dance
[04:14] <DeadS0ul> has anyone seen that
[04:14] <DeadS0ul> it's insane!
[04:15] <Anon> evolution of dance?
[04:15] <DeadS0ul> yeah =O
[04:15] <Anon> that is?
[04:15] <Anon> a game?
[04:15] <LeeJunFan> What should I use for vector graphics? I just need to make some simple objects that aren't so simple with a standard gfx editor like gimp. :)
[04:15] <DeadS0ul> no
[04:15] <samuli> !pastebin
[04:15] <ubotu> Please do not flood the channel http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/ for pasting long texts it does not disrupt the channel. [webboard for Ubuntu: http://www.gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=1269 : not an offical package] .
[04:15] <DeadS0ul> comedy
[04:15] <Anon> comedy...
[04:16] <Anon> a movie...
[04:16] <Anon> I see
[04:16] <DeadS0ul> yeap
[04:16] <DeadS0ul> stand up comedy
[04:16] <Anon> :)
[04:16] <DeadS0ul> this guy just does all these dances
[04:16] <DeadS0ul> it's funky
[04:16] <samuli> Anon, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15468
[04:16] <Anon> hmm
[04:16] <Anon> going
[04:17] <samuli> Anon, download all the packages in the "following extra packages will be installed along with the build-essential.deb and you should be fine
[04:17] <grothesk> Hi!
[04:17] <gnox> does anyone have a clue why IRC works only when i switch port forwarding off on my WGR614v6 router?
[04:17] <DeadS0ul> gnox identd server
[04:17] <DeadS0ul> forward port 113 =P
[04:18] <Anon> I'll look into it samuli
[04:18] <grothesk> Where may I get kradio for kubuntu-Dapper-i386?
[04:18] <DeadS0ul> !multiverse
[04:18] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource.
[04:18] <DeadS0ul> grothesk: follow that link!
[04:18] <grothesk> Can't find it in multiverse!
[04:18] <gnox> wasn't 6667 the irc port?
[04:19] <DeadS0ul> =\ for...pirate dowloads?
[04:19] <gnox> why would i want to download pirated software using kubuntu? all the programs i need are free
[04:19] <Anon> lol
[04:20] <Anon> yeah...
[04:20] <grothesk> apt-cache search kradio  delivers nothing.
[04:20] <DeadS0ul> you added the multiverse repositories to your sources list?
[04:20] <grothesk> Sure!
[04:20] <DeadS0ul> and you rand apt-get update?
[04:20] <grothesk> Sure!
[04:21] <gnox> I'd even say Amarok is single handedly responsible for me never wanting to leave kubuntu again ^^
[04:21] <samuli> good!
[04:21] <DeadS0ul> hmm crap I don't have it either nwo
[04:21] <samuli> gnox, it works in gnome too :)
[04:22] <Anon> how gnome and kde differ? gfx libs?
[04:22] <Anon> can't they be installed to make them compatible?
[04:22] <h3sp4wn> gnox: I don't like the v6 WGR614 it only has 1mb flash and 8mb ram - the v3 is ok
[04:23] <samuli> Anon, kde and gnome apps use totally different libraries.
[04:23] <h3sp4wn> gnox: I have no chance of debugging why vxworks does that either
[04:24] <Anon> samuli.. I thought it but they can't be installed to make guis compatible?
[04:24] <Anon> that's weird
[04:24] <Anon> well
[04:24] <samuli> Anon, yeah. it sort of is.. I
[04:24] <Anon> I guess it'd need lotta work maybe
[04:24] <samuli> I'm no programmer so I don't know why gnome apps can't use gtk+ in kde and vice versa with qt in gnome.
[04:24] <Anon> but it could be done likely
[04:25] <gnox> I even want to keep kubuntu after I made my install FUBAR 12 times in one week
[04:25] <earHertz> I'm trying (and failing) to apt-get install kedevelop3. what can I do?
[04:25] <Anon> i see...
[04:25] <Anon> what about installing kde under ubuntu?
[04:25] <Anon> shouldn't it work?
[04:25] <samuli> Anon, easy as stealing pie.
[04:25] <h3sp4wn> earHertz: sudo aptitude install kde-devel
[04:25] <gnox> now my kubuntu problems are over
[04:25] <Anon> see
[04:25] <h3sp4wn> earHertz: It will install alot of stuff but you will have most of what you need
[04:26] <Anon> so you have both gnome and kde
[04:26] <samuli> Anon, I have both kde and gnome on my system.
[04:26] <Anon> problem solved
[04:26] <Anon> :)
[04:26] <samuli> Anon, problem is that gnome applications look crap in kde and vice versa.
[04:26] <Anon> uh...
[04:26] <Anon> can't u choose which gui to use?
[04:27] <Anon> and restart linux or something?
[04:27] <samuli> of course.
[04:27] <samuli> I can log out and start session in gnome.
[04:27] <Anon> better than nothing I guess
[04:27] <samuli> It's o-kay.
[04:27] <Anon> :)
[04:27] <earHertz> h3sp4wn: Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "kde-devel"
[04:27] <ashridah> mm. fortunately kde has a control panel page that lets you set gtk to mimic kde a bit, but it has issues.
[04:28] <earHertz> I should note I started with ubuntu and installed kde over it, if that makes a difference
[04:28] <h3sp4wn> earHertz: You need to enable universe
[04:28] <Hobbsee> !info kde-devel dapper
[04:28] <h3sp4wn> !universe
[04:28] <ubotu> kde-devel: (the K Desktop Environment development files and modules), section universe/kde, is extra. Version: 5:45ubuntu1 (dapper), Packaged size: 7 kB, Installed size: 40 kB
[04:28] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource.
[04:29] <earHertz> In /etc/apt/sources.list?
[04:29] <h3sp4wn> yes
[04:30] <h3sp4wn> kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:30] <earHertz> did that (in vi)
[04:30] <stom> hi
[04:30] <h3sp4wn> earHertz: Well you either did it wrong or haven't run sudo aptitude update or sudo apt-get update
[04:31] <earHertz> I did not run update
[04:32] <Anon> samuli... I tryed to look for amarok... I got the url.. http://kubuntu.org/packages/amarok-14/pool-dapper/amarok_1.4.0a-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
[04:32] <Anon> is it correct?
[04:32] <h3sp4wn> That meta-package installs most of what you need (but is probably some stuff you will never use)
[04:32] <Anon> or is it for gnome?
[04:32] <Bazzi> Anon, use the repository.
[04:33] <Anon> hmm?
[04:33] <Bazzi> dont install the deb manually
[04:33] <Anon> why?
[04:33] <earHertz> ok, noe it's installing 102 packages
[04:33] <Bazzi> because it would be bullshit.
[04:33] <Anon> ...
[04:33] <Bazzi> repositories are there for a reason (dependencies etc)
[04:33] <earHertz> h3sp4wn: hope this works. Thanks
[04:33] <Anon> so I have to install it from web uh?
[04:33] <h3sp4wn> earHertz: It may be an overkill but it ensures you have everything you will need
[04:34] <Bazzi> unless you want to pull the whole thing from the net and install everything manually, yes
[04:34] <earHertz> h3sp4wn: nom, no, OI prefer overkill
[04:34] <earHertz> when I installed cygwinn, I installed ALL packages of anything
[04:34] <earHertz> I wish ubuntu had given me that option
[04:34] <Anon> I see
[04:34] <Anon> okey
[04:35] <h3sp4wn> earHertz: the repos are 13gb - probably more uncompressed
[04:35] <Anon> <_< >_>
[04:35] <Anon> well.. I'll try to complete my install
[04:35] <Anon> thanks guys
[04:36] <earHertz> h3sp4wn: the whole thing, or just kde-devel?
[04:36] <Anon> bye samuli, Bazzi and DeadS0ul
[04:37] <h3sp4wn> earHertz: That is every package in main / restricted / multiverse and universe (no source what is in the binary archives)
[04:37] <earHertz> well, it's a lot, but i have 20GB in / and another 16 in /home
[04:38] <Bazzi> wont fit :)
[04:38] <h3sp4wn> earHertz: you don't need all that
[04:38] <earHertz> yeah, probabbly
[04:38] <Bazzi> and there are plenty of (somewhat) conflicting packages
[04:38] <earHertz> yeah
[04:39] <earHertz> I just hate having to install crap. want to do it all at once
[04:39] <h3sp4wn> Best way to learn is when you have some decent documentation and your internet connection is unusable
[04:40] <earHertz> Ok, now I have  development group in my program launch, but no kdeleop
[04:41] <Bazzi> earHertz: I created a list of "good" ones for myself while running a play-tool-installation and now after a fresh installation I just pipe that list into apt-get ;)
[04:42] <h3sp4wn> earHertz: sudo aptitude install kdevelop3
[04:42] <earHertz> ah, tnhanks
[04:42] <samuli> why aptitude?
[04:43] <havoc> aptitude!, that's the app I was trying to remember
[04:43] <h3sp4wn> samuli: handles dependancies better than apt-get
[04:44] <samuli> h3sp4wn: dunno about that.. sometimes aptitude tries to uninstall stuff that I need.
[04:44] <samuli> granted I normally use apt-get so that might confuse aptitude.
[04:44] <h3sp4wn> samuli: Just mark them correctly then
[04:45] <h3sp4wn> samuli: If he suddenly decides he wants to develop for gnome instead if he does sudo aptitude purge kde-devel it will remove it all properly
[04:45] <samuli> h3sp4wn: I know.
[04:46] <KuLover> Heya.. Does anyone use anything for a file manager other than Konqueror?
[04:46] <h3sp4wn> KuLover: Bash
[04:46] <Bazzi> Krusader and Konsole :-)
[04:46] <earHertz> h3sp4wn: thanks again, man
[04:47] <KuLover> You like those better?
[04:47] <Bazzi> depends on what you want to do
[04:48] <KuLover> Just want to do what Konqueror does, but have the abilility to save view modes and open folders with large ammounts of files without lag.
[04:48] <rouzic> Is the webcam of the macbook compatible with kubuntu?
[04:49] <noaXess> does the adept-updater have a gui to configure it?
[04:51] <dipnlik> hi all. i want to use the alias plugin to control amarok, how can i do that? i tried adding a next alias to execute dcop amarok payer next but when I type /next on the window it does nothing
[04:51] <dipnlik> (alias is a kopete plugin)
[05:11] <neoncode> Hey i'm trying to install kubuntu and it won't let me resize some partions on my hard drive, anyone know why?
[05:12] <samuli> maybe they are of file system that gparted can't resize.
[05:12] <neoncode> They are ext3
[05:13] <neoncode> I also have a swap partion on here that it can rezie. is it because that partion is in an extended partion and the others arn't?
[05:14] <chx> how could I force apt-get to overwrite files? dpkg --force-overwrite works but how could I tell the same to apt-get ?
[05:14] <h3sp4wn> when xine has crashed i.e refusing to load anything but the boid engine (how is the best way to restart it) I have killed all the amarok processes in ps auxw
[05:14] <h3sp4wn> void engine sorry
[05:15] <h3sp4wn> (I can't restart kde because I am the middle of a long compile
[05:19] <TheHighChild> by chance, would anyone know why a Windows cd cannot boot after installing linux? I've checked the BIOS settings and the linux disk boots fine.
[05:19] <h3sp4wn> TheHighChild: I would say its divine intervention
[05:20] <Paradosso> TheHighChild, windows wants to be the installed on the first partition
[05:20] <notnet> I started the kubuntu instalation and it stoped at 86% and now on system boot grub is givim me error 15 does qnyonde know how colud I fiz it?
[05:20] <h3sp4wn> Paradosso: That wouldn't affect whether the cd boots
[05:21] <Paradosso> h3sp4wn, I missed the question
[05:21] <TheHighChild> Paradosso: I don't see why the disc wouldn't boot though, or is that simply the case?
[05:21] <TheHighChild> h3sp4wn: I agree. I am 100% Tux with a VMware install to support some contracting I do. I am asking on behalf of a friend.
[05:21] <Paradosso> TheHighChild, as a rule of thumb I wouldn't try to install windows on a machine where linux was previously installed
[05:22] <Paradosso> TheHighChild, in fact, I wouldn't try to install linux at all :D
[05:22] <TheHighChild> Paradosso: You mean Windows?
[05:22] <h3sp4wn> someone must know how to restart xine ?
[05:23] <h3sp4wn> or remove the remenants when it crashes
[05:23] <Paradosso> TheHighChild, obviously
[05:29] <noaXess> !mp3
[05:29] <ubotu> well, mp3 is a patented format; to enable mp3 capability see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[05:31] <zack> anybody home???
[05:31] <TheHighChild> hey zack
[05:31] <zack> looking for a GURU
[05:31] <TheHighChild> heh I'm not much of a guru, sorry
[05:33] <zack> ok i will type to myself
[05:33] <zack> did upgrade from breezy to dapper
[05:34] <zack> it crashed
[05:34] <zack> now it locks up trying to set up pcmcia and it is a desktop
[05:34] <TheHighChild> It crashed during the update or afterwards?
[05:34] <zack> want to get it to boot and bypass the pcmcia load
[05:34] <zack> during the upgrade
[05:35] <zack> at least 2 files did not download and was using the dapper alternate cd
[05:35] <zack> so
[05:35] <zack> i downloaded the dvd
[05:36] <zack> and using aptitude forced an upgrade
[05:36] <zack> now won't go past the pcmcia load routine
[05:37] <zack> using regular or safe mode
[05:37] <zack> kinda stuck here
[05:37] <click_> ok here is a question also trying to figure out where to find the python file to exc the program
[05:37] <zack> any ideas ????
[05:38] <TheHighChild> one sec zack I am googling, seems it's happened with other users
[05:39] <zack> thx
[05:41] <TheHighChild> zack during the startup, when it hangs. Try to ctrl + c out of it and see if it will continue booting
[05:42] <TheHighChild> zack: If that won't bring your system up. You can try 'dpkg --configure -a'
[05:42] <zack> ok brb
[05:42] <TheHighChild> hold on
[05:42] <TheHighChild> zack: Read this link if you can or print it as a reference https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/pcmcia-cs/+bug/37430
[05:42] <mneisen> hello, i want to install kubuntu on a reiserfs partition (no flames, please :-D). Is the alternative CD the only way to do it?
[05:43] <zack> ok the ctrl-c got it moving again, i was at a point where i could not log in
[05:44] <zack> mneisen --i just installed from desktop on this laptop and reiserfs was not on the list
[05:44] <TheHighChild> You can do a ctrl + alt + f1 if you cannot log in. That should bring you to a failsafe terminal. Then ctrl + alt + f7 to bring you back
[05:44] <mneisen> zack: Yes, i know. But it could be that there is some option or the other ... :-D
[05:44] <TheHighChild> mneisen: I am no pro but I read other talking about it, from my understanding it is not possible
[05:45] <mneisen> TheHighChild: What exactly is not possible?
[05:46] <zack> highchild:  got the link up and am reading--thx
[05:46] <TheHighChild> mneisen: From what I read, it wasn't secure and thus not an option. Honestly, I really don't know for sure though.
[05:46] <mneisen> TheHighChild: OK, thank you.
[05:46] <TheHighChild> zack np, please let me know how it works for you.
[05:47] <zack> will do
[05:47] <xxenon> !xgl
[05:47] <ubotu> XGL on Ubuntu: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CompositeManager - Join #ubuntu-xgl for all the XGL fun on Ubuntu systems.  Pretty videos on http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease/  See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[05:47] <TheHighChild> zack are you able to access your failsafe terminals?
[05:47] <mneisen> additional question: how do i install ubuntu/kubuntu on a remote server where i cannot insert a CD/DVD? I only have a rescue system, so I could install debian/gentoo/...
[05:48] <TheHighChild> mneisen: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=28948
[05:48] <zack> could not do anything, even tried 386 failsafe--all would hang at the pcmcia activation screen--normally use 686smp kernal
[05:48] <Rede_> anyone know of a .deb for k3b 0.12.15?
[05:48] <zack> actually that was pcmcia service
[05:49] <zack> i will go check now and see where i am
[05:51] <tomaz> hy, anyone here can help a newbie trying to compile some app?
[05:51] <zack> highchild:  it is going thru a lot of setting up and is on powernowd if that means anything--had been running great on breezy
[05:51] <zack> but wanted to run dapper lts
[05:52] <zack> spent 12 hours on dialup getting necessary files to do dist update per kubuntu upgrade breezy to dapper
[05:52] <tomaz> hey, can someone help me with the error /admin/cvs.sh: line 33: --version: command not found *** AUTOCONF NOT FOUND!.
[05:52] <Rede_> is there a way to force apt-get to install a package even if it believes that the most up-to-date package is already installed?
[05:52] <tomaz> but i DO have the autoconf, in version 2.59 =/
[05:53] <zack> so here i am trying to get it alive again without a complete reload
[05:53] <Rede_> i installed k3b from src, but there were issues, so i uninstalled it. now i dont have it at all, and can't reinstall via apt
[05:54] <zack> rede: think so try apt-get --help and look for force or -f
[05:56] <mneisen> additional question: how do i install ubuntu/kubuntu on a remote server where i cannot insert a CD/DVD? I only have a rescue system, so I could install debian/gentoo/...
[05:56] <CaBlGuY> !kopete
[05:56] <ubotu> Kopete is the KDE IM, supporting AIM, ICQ, MSN, Yahoo, Jabber, IRC, Gadu-Gadu, Novell GroupWise Messenger, and more. See http://kopete.kde.org
[05:56] <CaBlGuY> !kopete 0.12
[05:56] <ubotu> Wish I knew. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, CaBlGuY
[05:56] <mneisen> !ubuntu
[05:56] <ubotu> it has been said that ubuntu is a free GNU/Linux distribution. More at http://www.ubuntu.com and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarkShuttleworth
[05:56] <mneisen> !ubuntu
[05:56] <luh> hi
[05:57] <mneisen> !kubuntu
[05:57] <ubotu> it has been said that kubuntu is Ubuntu+KDE  ; see http://kubuntu.org and you can go to #kubuntu for KDE-related help, or install from Ubuntu: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop; ISOs: http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/breezy/
[05:57] <TheHighChild> zack you should be able to ctrl+c through the startup as needed. Something else to keep in mind. I've heard that the dist-upgrade removes kubuntu-desktop. That is something you'll need to install before you can log into your GUI
[05:57] <CaBlGuY> anyone know how I can get the new version of Kopete installed?
[05:57] <mneisen> !firefox
[05:57] <luh> someone an idea why i can scan just on the shell via scanimage, but not on the x via xsane?
[05:57] <Rede_> i installed k3b from src, but there were issues, so i uninstalled it. now i dont have it at all, and can't reinstall via apt. i tried -f flag but there was no luck
[05:59] <gobbe> Rede_, why are you repeating?
[06:00] <dr_willis>  can't reinstall via apt - is the operative term here...
[06:00] <dr_willis> 
[06:00] <mneisen> gobbe: because noone answers :-D
[06:00] <dr_willis> give a few more details perhaps
[06:00] <gobbe> there were answer
[06:00] <gobbe> :)
[06:00] <Rede_> not that worked
[06:01] <Rede_> hence the "i tried the -f flag..."
[06:01] <gobbe> and then you just asked again
[06:01] <Rede_> not quite
[06:01] <gobbe> instead of saying that it did not work
[06:01] <Rede_> read the last part
[06:01] <dr_willis> !apt-get
[06:01] <ubotu> it has been said that apt-get is http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/apt-howto.en.txt (in depth) and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AptGetHowto
[06:01] <dr_willis> :P
[06:01] <CaBlGuY-Gone> linuxmonkey:  holler at me when ya get a chance.   need some help with gettin kopete 0.12.0
[06:01] <gobbe> Rede_, so what is the thing that you really want, to remove it or install it?-)
[06:02] <gobbe> installing it?
[06:02] <Rede_> well, i really want 0.12.15, but that didnt work when i installed from src. so i uninstalled it. now id just like a working k3b
[06:02] <gobbe> Rede_, how about apt-get install k3b?
[06:03] <Rede_> yeah it still thinks i have the 0.12.14 installed, tho i dont
[06:03] <Rede_> so it says its up to date
[06:03] <mneisen> how do i install ubuntu/kubuntu on a remote server where i cannot insert a CD/DVD? I only have a rescue system, so I could install debian/gentoo/...
[06:04] <gobbe> Rede_, aah..ok. How did you remove 0.12.15-version ?
[06:04] <new-clars> I just installed kbubuntu for the 1.time, but what is my root password?
[06:04] <Rede_> make uninstall
[06:04] <nico8481> what is the place to put stuff like "fortune" to make the shell run them at start? .bash_profile? .bashrc?
[06:04] <Blissex> !root
[06:05] <ubotu> Direct login as the root user is disabled in Ubuntu. Look at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo for all information.
[06:05] <Unimatrix9> hi there, where is the network setup for kubuntu 6.06?
[06:05] <Rede_> the new version i installed wouldnt let me burn files > 4GB and cdrdao didn't have root privs
[06:05] <Blissex> nico8481: depends, '.bash_profile' or equivalent
[06:06] <nico8481> Blissex: well, doesn't work :p
[06:06] <gobbe> Rede_, does apt-get say that it's installed? could you provide a screenshot or something
[06:06] <Blissex> !doesntwork
[06:06] <ubotu> I don't know, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, Blissex
[06:06] <TheHighChild> How are we doing zack?
[06:06] <Unimatrix9> cant find anything to add my eht0 on kubuntu?....do you know?
[06:06] <Blissex> nico8481: as I said, depends...
[06:06] <Rede_> shawn@shawn-desktop:~$ sudo apt-get install k3b
[06:06] <nico8481> on what?
[06:06] <Rede_> Reading package lists... Done
[06:06] <Rede_> Building dependency tree... Done
[06:06] <Rede_> k3b is already the newest version.
[06:07] <Rede_> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[06:07] <Rede_> shawn@shawn-desktop:~$ k3b
[06:07] <Rede_> bash: k3b: command not found
[06:07] <Rede_> shawn@shawn-desktop:~$
[06:07] <Rede_> shoot
[06:07] <Rede_> sorry
[06:07] <Blissex> nico8481: on how you login and which shell
[06:07] <mneisen> !install
[06:07] <ubotu> Installing Ubuntu? See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Installation Installing software on Ubuntu? See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallingSoftware
[06:07] <gobbe> Rede_, pastebin.com is a good for that ;-) but...
[06:07] <nico8481> Blissex: ok found it, it had something to do with the non-loginness of my shell :P
[06:07] <gobbe> Rede_, if you try apt-get remove k3b
[06:07] <nico8481> have to use .bashrc with non-login shells
[06:07] <Rede_> i tried, it wants to uninstall kubuntu-desktop
[06:08] <Blissex> nico8481: thats quite inappropriate...
[06:08] <gobbe> Rede_, kubuntu-desktop is just a meta-packet
[06:08] <nico8481> Blissex: what is?
[06:08] <gobbe> package
[06:08] <Rede_> so its not a big deal then?
[06:08] <Blissex> nico8481: using '.bashrc' to do that.
[06:08] <gobbe> so removing it doesn't remove anything else
[06:08] <Rede_> ahh ok thanks man!
[06:09] <nico8481> # ~/.bashrc: executed by bash(1) for non-login shells
[06:09] <Blissex> nico8481: if you think you know better, go ahead :-)
[06:09] <nico8481> Blissex: it's not me who says it :)
[06:10] <Blissex> nico8481: but it is you who is not thinking it through...
[06:10] <nico8481> it's just the 1st line of the script
[06:11] <nico8481> not thinking what? .bash-profile is for login shells, it's written in it too... so it leaves me .bashrc... unless there's a third one that i haven't heared of yet?
[06:11] <Blissex> nico8481: go ahead :-)
[06:13] <nico8481> :-/
[06:13] <mikekarthur> can anyone tell me how to upgrade a Breezy installation to a Dapper one?
[06:14] <gobbe> mikekarthur, change sources.list's breezy's to dapper, run apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade and sit down to wait
[06:14] <shawn__> ok, now k3b doesn't start at all:
[06:14] <mneisen> !upgrade
[06:14] <ubotu> Upgrading to Ubuntu 5.10 breezy -> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgrade. Upgrading to Ubuntu 6.06 Dapper -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperUpgrades . Note: gksudo "update-manager -d" always updates to the latest development verison: (eft when its open)
[06:14] <shawn__> k3b: error while loading shared libraries: libk3bdevice.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[06:14] <mikekarthur> gobbe: thanks
[06:14] <Onetrack> Mike, just edit your sources, change entries from breezy to dapper, save it, apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
[06:15] <ultm8> hello there folks
[06:15] <ultm8> does anybody want to help me install wine?
[06:15] <Onetrack> anyone know which kernel sources to install so i can get parallels working in dapper?
[06:15] <zack> highchild :     well it locked at powernowd-- so i did the unthinkable--powered off
[06:15] <dr_willis> parallels ?
[06:16] <Onetrack> its like vmware
[06:16] <TheHighChild> zack You weren't able to get into a failsafe terminal?
[06:16] <gobbe> shawn__, weird. how did you install it?-)
[06:16] <gobbe> shawn__, it definetly should install all libs also
[06:16] <zack> highchild:  so i went into recovery and aptitude
[06:16] <TheHighChild> zack are you able to boot into recovery mode?
[06:16] <shawn__> sudo apt-get remove k3b/sudo apt-get intall k3b
[06:17] <zack> had to do a dpkg --reconfigure -a
[06:17] <zack> so in aptitude now fixing broken --etc
[06:17] <zack> so will try a normal boot
[06:17] <james_xx> can anyone tell me what the difference will be between Mepis 6.0 and kubuntu dapper?
[06:17] <TheHighChild> zack very cool you got that far. Awesome. Remember to check and see if kubuntu-desktop was removed.
[06:18] <zack> what do i look for in aptitude
[06:18] <gobbe> shawn__, wery interesting...hmh....
[06:18] <bdmp__> what do if do if my network interface says HWaddr 00:00:00:00:00:00?
[06:18] <dr_willis> james_xx,   ive messed with mepis in the past.. i suggest using  Ubuntu
[06:18] <Mitja> I'm using breezy and just want to upgrade kde. How do I do that?
[06:18] <shawn__> tried removing/installing with aptitude, which installed a few other packages, but still no go
[06:18] <TheHighChild> zack um, I don't know what aptitude is
[06:19] <zack> the command line version and easier to use program of apt
[06:19] <james_xx> dr_willis: ubuntu/kubuntu will not work with my video card.... mepis will
[06:19] <zack> sudo aptitude
[06:20] <dr_willis> james_xx,  i find that hard to belive.. it may need tobe reconfigured correctly.
[06:20] <dr_willis> james_xx,  and what video card is this?
[06:20] <shawn__> very strange :\
[06:20] <james_xx> dr_willis: i like kubuntu better than mepis, but i lose 3D graphics and power saving mode (as well as screen savers) with kubuntu
[06:20] <james_xx> dr_willis: it is a crap inetl extreme graphics II
[06:20] <dr_willis> james_xx,  so you are saying the 3d dosent work? but the basic 2d does?
[06:20] <Rede_> would be a pain to have to reinstall kubuntu because of this heh
[06:21] <james_xx> dr_willis: yes
[06:21] <james_xx> intel*
[06:21] <dr_willis> james_xx,   check the ubuntu wiki/forums for that card. perhaps just needs a little kick in the head.. or somthing installed.
[06:21] <TheHighChild> zack type 'aptitude search kubuntu-desktop'
[06:21] <james_xx> dr_willis: 3D works for a few days, then dies (each time i have installed kubuntu
[06:22] <zack> ok will try that
[06:22] <dr_willis> hmm.. file a bug report.. and monitor what changes.. help make it a better disrto.
[06:22] <james_xx> i have kubuntu on my laptop and have no problems
[06:22] <gobbe> Rede_, i think that the compiled version removed also more than it should have
[06:22] <dr_willis> :)
[06:22] <TheHighChild> zack if there isn't a return on it, you'll need to do 'sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop' or however you install with aptitiude
[06:22] <dr_willis> this is on a desktop machine you are having the problems?
[06:22] <Rede_> yeah, that was my thought
[06:22] <james_xx> dr_willis: yep
[06:22] <gobbe> Rede_, i could pass you that library if you want
[06:23] <Rede_> sure, if it would work :)
[06:23] <dr_willis> james_xx,  :P ive seen gforcemx400's on sale for $15 this weekend. lol.
[06:23] <gobbe> Rede_, http://gobbe.net/libk3bdevice.so.2
[06:23] <gobbe> Rede_, place it to /usr/lib
[06:23] <james_xx> dr_willis: where can you get one for that price? i have a geforce mmx 400 right here... i paid $50 at walmart
[06:24] <james_xx> geforce mmx 4000*
[06:24] <dr_willis> james_xx,  frys electronics.. i think that may of been after rebates
[06:24] <Rede_> i need libk3b too
[06:24] <dr_willis> Ive been looking for a decent no fan video card.
[06:25] <james_xx> dr_willis: the thing is, mepis is working with my video card, and i could just return this geforce and get my $50 back
[06:25] <Rede_> k3b: error while loading shared libraries: libk3b.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[06:25] <zack> highchild
[06:26] <gobbe> Rede_: http://gobbe.net/libk3b.so.2
[06:26] <james_xx> KDE itself has some bugs when it comes to power saving mode for monitors
[06:26] <zack> did the aptitude search kubunt-desktop and it came back with a P in front of it
[06:26] <zack> i think that is pending
[06:26] <TheHighChild> zack: yeah
[06:26] <Rede_> awesome man! thanks a ton!
[06:26] <Bernier> hi, when I close my computer , everything goes well except for one thing. when it gets to "will now halt", there's the click sound of the computer when it closes but it doesn't. it stays open and get stuck there until I press the power button. Is there something to do so it closes automatically?
[06:26] <sokuban> Where would I get NASM? apparantly I need it
[06:26] <Rede_> i really appreciate it
[06:27] <zack> so i did apt-get install kubuntu-desktop and it is working on it
[06:28] <TheHighChild> zack awesome. Hopefully the dpkg -configure -a works everything out. Since it crashed before, it may not have completed the dist-upgrade. Do you know?
[06:28] <isolationist> thinking of changing distro to kubuntu - love the live cd
[06:28] <TheHighChild> What distro are you running isolationist
[06:29] <Bernier> isolationist , do so then.  and when it's installed it's way faster than with the live CD
[06:29] <isolationist> TheHighChild: using SuSE 10.1 - which has been a big dissapointment over 10.0
[06:30] <isolationist> Bernier: hopefuly the package management works 100% as well unlike this zen updater thing
[06:30] <TheHighChild> isolationist: never tried it but I've seen some disappointed users over here
[06:30] <zack> highchild--after the upgrade there were some dependencies missing and no graphical or network, so that is why i got the dvd
[06:30] <neil__> hi
[06:30] <Bernier> lol =P
[06:30] <sokuban> how do you install NASM with kubuntu? what is its package name?
[06:30] <TheHighChild> zack ok, are you going to do a dist-upgrade from the DVD?
[06:30] <zack> yes
[06:31] <isolationist> hell i am going to install it and see it what happens
[06:31] <TheHighChild> zack awesome. Well, keep me posted. I wish you the best and feel free to hit me up if you think I can help with anything
[06:32] <zack> highchild:--ok thanks---was trying to do dpkg -reconfigure xorg and it kept telling me package was not installed-so maybe now life will be good again
[06:33] <neil__> got a strange problem while dist-upgrading to dapper, seems to being in the kubuntudapperknownproblems, apt-get dist-upgrade fails because of the lvm2 package, saying "dpkg: error processing /var/...lvm2... (--unpack)"
[06:33] <neil__> (upgrading from breezy)
[06:34] <neil__> (and on ppc)
[06:35] <bdmp> I have a network problem. I upgraded to dapper and my network device changed from eth0 to eth1 and now I can not connect to the internet. I have tried a lot of things but I think one of the problems is that the new eth1's HWaddr is 00:00:00:00:00:00. Any suggestions?
[06:35] <neil__> apt-get remove lvm2 says it also want to remove "lvm2 ubuntu-base ubuntu-standard"
[06:35] <neil__> is it the/a safe way?
[06:36] <neil__> bdmp, did you try a plain ifconfig addr/up/route?
[06:37] <james_xx> i am just wondering if Mepis 6.0 and kubuntu dapper will be aboutthe same thing???
[06:37] <bdmp> neil__: no
[06:37] <bdmp> just as a command?
[06:38] <neil__> hm... are you using dhcp?
[06:38] <neil__> bdmp, you have eth1 and no eth0?
[06:38] <dr_willis> james_xx,  last i heard mepis was going to start using the ubuntu repos. so i doubt if there will be much diff.
[06:39] <bdmp> error fetching interface information:device not found
[06:39] <bdmp> neil__: I want to but I change it in the settings and it doesn't change when I check with ifconfig
[06:39] <h3sp4wn> james_xxx: kanotix is optimized for speed if you want kde on a not so powerful system
[06:40] <bdmp> neil__: that las thing was about dhcp. yes I have eth1 and no eth0
[06:40] <james_xx> dr_willis, so what i am wondering is if there is any point in me re-intslling kubuntu on this desktop.... video card is working and Mepis is going to practically become kubuntu anyways
[06:40] <new-clars> what is an god app. to use when look television?
[06:41] <bdmp> mythtv or tv time
[06:41] <bdmp> I could only get xawtv working thought
[06:41] <new-clars> ok - but tv-time is not on my pack list
[06:41] <neil__> strange that lvm2 shit is installed and i cant remove it with apt-get remove...
[06:42] <bdmp> new-clars: try this
[06:42] <bdmp> !sources
[06:42] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource.
[06:43] <bdmp> neil__: any suggestions?
[06:43] <neil__> you could try "dhcpclient eth1"
[06:43] <neil__> or check your dmesg to see why you don't have eth0
[06:43] <neil__> or lspci
[06:44] <neil__> is there maybe a --force option or something so i can dist-upgrade even if it fails for the lvm2 package ?
[06:44] <h3sp4wn> If you have changed network cards there is a file in /etc/ which lists the bindings between interfaces and mac addresses
[06:44] <dr_willis> james_xx,   use what you like - its the linux way. But ubuntu proberly has much better forums/wiki/support.. but with memps taking on the ubuntu repos.. the  info on ubuntu will peroblery work for it as well
[06:44] <bdmp> Says no such command for dhcpclient eth1
[06:45] <neil__> dhclient
[06:46] <bdmp> ok I am a little lost. neil__  is the HWaddr 00:00:00:00:00:00 a problem?
[06:46] <DrBair> im looking to archive a bunch of pictures into a giant tarball, whats a good compression program to use for jpegs? Preferably something better than bzip2
[06:46] <dr_willis> i doubt if the jpegs will compress much at all.
[06:46] <bdmp> h3sp4wn: so what do I do in that file and what is the file?
[06:47] <sistema> hello wat install gnome desktop???
[06:47] <bdmp> neil__: how do I check dmsg?
[06:47] <DrBair> i know theres like the jpeg2000 format that can compress a lot better than jpeg... so i figure there must be a way to compress them
[06:47] <neil__> type "dmesg"
[06:47] <bdmp> sistema: apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[06:47] <h3sp4wn> bdmp: If I knew what the file was called I would have told you - I usually just find it by grepping for the mac address in /etc if I need it
[06:48] <sistema> thaks
[06:48] <JohnFlux> Riddell: in kubuntu there are a lot of system users without a description
[06:48] <JohnFlux> Riddell: would it be possible for you to add a short a description to them?
[06:48] <bdmp> h3sp4wn: I don't know how to do that either
[06:49] <JohnFlux> Riddell: I mean in the description field in /etc/passwd
[06:49] <JohnFlux> Riddell: I show the description to the user in ksysguard
[06:49] <bdmp> neil__: what am I looking for? should I paste bin this? I gotta transfer it with usb key though cuz I have no network.
[06:50] <nC4k|AalYa> Quelle est la commande pour sortir du mode console pour passer en mode graphique ?
[06:50] <Riddell> JohnFlux: that would need to be done in each package
[06:50] <Riddell> seems like a fair idea though
[06:51] <bdmp> ctrl+alt+f2?
[06:51] <bdmp> nC4k|AalYa:
[06:51] <nC4k|AalYa> bdmp, en faite, wine a planter, j'ai du appuyer sur reset, il redemare corectement mais il se bloque une fois qu'il a fini de tout charger, alt+F7 ca me ramener sur la page pour me loguer ?
[06:53] <bdmp> nC4k|AalY sorry, I am not so good at french. alt-f7 will get you out of the last command/
[06:53] <bdmp> !french
[06:53] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[06:53] <Bernier> i can speak french
[06:53] <Bernier> but i'm not sure if i can help
[06:54] <Bernier> cuz it's my 3rd day on linux
[06:54] <Bernier> lol
[06:54] <ultm8> hola
[06:54] <ultm8> bonjour, czesc hei, privet
[06:54] <neil__> cool =)
[06:54] <nC4k|AalYa> bpmp, in fact, wine crash, i have to push reset button, but now when i start, all module load but its write Kubuntu, the graph dont come
[06:55] <ultm8> can anyone help me with my install of wine?
[06:55] <Bernier> ncak|aaIya dis le en francais je vais te le traduire
[06:55] <nC4k|AalYa> en faite, wine a planter, j'ai du appuyer sur reset, il redemare corectement mais il se bloque une fois qu'il a fini de tout charger, alt+F7 ca me ramener sur la page pour me loguer ?
[06:56] <zack> HIGHCHILD:   YOUR KUNG FU IS GREAT---- I NOW HAVE KUBUNTU DESKTOP AGAIN  did the dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and it is alive
[06:56] <cgeo> hi
[06:56] <ultm8> hi
[06:56] <Bernier> bdmp: ncak|aaiYa means that wina crashed and he had to press the reset butoton. it's restarting correctly but it get stuck once it finishes to load everything. and it gets him back to the login page
[06:57] <zack> now with adept i can get my opengl up again and life will be much happier--again thank you very much
[06:58] <nC4k|AalYa> Bernier, ty
[06:58] <Bernier> np
[06:58] <bdmp> not sure honestly
[06:58] <bdmp> out of my league
[06:59] <ultm8> are there any genius kubuntu wizards in here who can help with trouble shooting problems etc?
[06:59] <nC4k|AalYa> ok
[06:59] <Bernier> ncak|AaIya he doesnt know =/
[06:59] <Bernier> ultim8 ask and we'll see
[07:00] <ultm8> well am having a wine crisis
[07:00] <Bernier> what's wrong
[07:00] <bdmp> I had a similar problem and I did sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[07:00] <h3sp4wn> wine is not really to do with kubuntu
[07:01] <ultm8> trying to install it, did the user manual instructions... but when i go to install it with adept says broken
[07:01] <ultm8> install
[07:01] <bdmp> then when it finishes it asks you which log in you want to use and i switched from the looping kde one to the gdm gnome one
[07:01] <ultm8> hold on let me load up adept to get the exact message
[07:01] <h3sp4wn> ultm8: Have you tried wine from someones repos ?
[07:02] <bdmp> that cut the kde log in out of the picture and then I just chose kde when I wanted to log in. In essece all it did was change the broken log in screen.
[07:02] <bdmp> Bernier: do you follow that?
[07:02] <bdmp> long way around maybe
[07:02] <ultm8> under adept, i get BREAK (install)
[07:02] <weedar> Is it common for a 15" CRT to have maximum resolution of 640x480 in Dapper?
[07:03] <ultm8> the error message says when i click install is There was an error commiting changes. Possibly there was a problem downloading some packages or the commit would break packages.
[07:05] <ultm8> by the way am using kubuntu dapper amd 64 version
[07:05] <ultm8> if that helps in anyway?
[07:05] <Bernier> Ncak|aa|ya: bdmp dis que il a deja eu un probleme comem celui la  et il a fait sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop. et quand a fini a lui demande quel login il veut utiliser et il a changer pour gdm gnome.. ca coupe le login de kde et il fait somplement choisir kde quand il veut se logger. en fait, tout ce qu'il a fait c'est de changer l'cran de log-in qui tais briser
[07:06] <Bernier> anyway i g2g
[07:06] <Bernier> c ya
[07:06] <BlankB> weedar: no it is not common.
[07:07] <weedar> Hm, then I wonder what is causing it..I am certain it could at least support 800x600 earlier..Updating to dapper and newest KDE did not help either :/
[07:08] <BlankB> weedar: Go to K->Sytem Settings->(admin mode) ->hardware
[07:08] <BlankB> weedar: have you tried the generics for the monitor? Like 1024x768@60 and 1024x768 @ 70?
[07:09] <weedar> BlankB: the problem is that I am only able to choos 640x480 and 320x200 in Hardware->Display
[07:09] <zack> HIGHCHILD;;;;  U THERE
[07:10] <weedar> although xorg.conf contains references to higher resolutions
[07:11] <BlankB> weedar: that happened to me on my new flat pannel...but I switched it to generic instead of the Plug and Play and that fixed it. Unfortunately now my monitor does not go to sleep.
[07:11] <weedar> BlankB: monitor-insomnia would be a better problem than low resolution :)
[07:11] <weedar> BlankB: how do I set it to generic?
[07:11] <BlankB> weedar: Go to K->Sytem Settings->(admin mode) ->hardware
[07:12] <BlankB> weedar: Go to K->Sytem Settings->display ->(admin mode) ->hardware
[07:12] <BlankB> then configure for the monitor.
[07:13] <BlankB> generics are up at the top.
[07:17] <weedar> BlankB: I do not get the option to chooe admin mode that early in System settings, that is an option I usually get from chosing a particulare part,and "Hardware" is not a clickable option, just a group
[07:22] <BlankB> weedar: are you using dapper?
[07:23] <weedar> BlankB: yes
[07:23] <TheHighChild> zack here man, sorry. Had to do some work
[07:24] <TheHighChild> zack also, if you can send messages to TheHighChild (you can tab complete the name) So that I get themm in red and get a notice
[07:24] <zack> ok--your kung fu is great
[07:24] <zack> i have a desktop
[07:24] <TheHighChild> zack: awesome! Very happy for you man
[07:24] <TheHighChild> zack: Any troubles on the boot?
[07:25] <zack> TheHighChild: so i am doing the adept thing to get my opengl
[07:25] <weedar> BlankB: I upgraded from Breezy, but the resolution issue happend before the upgrade
[07:25] <zack> TheHighChild: not really--had to do a xorg reconfigure
[07:26] <zack> that is how i lost openfl
[07:26] <zack> opengl
[07:26] <TheHighChild> zack: Are you back to 100% now?
[07:26] <zack> TheHighChild: thank you very much for your help--your kungfu is great
[07:26] <BlankB> weedar: the setup interface sounds different that what I see
[07:27] <TheHighChild> zack: np man, just glad I was able to help. Feel free to hit me up if you ever see me around.
[07:27] <zack> almost---lost my window icon but will try and figure that out--u know which desktop you are on
[07:27] <TheHighChild> zack: window icon?
[07:28] <zack> TheHighChild: am i getting you in red now?
[07:28] <TheHighChild> zack: yes
[07:28] <zack> TheHighChild: desktop selection box not showing up on panel
[07:28] <TheHighChild> zack: I am going to whisper you
[07:29] <weedar> BlankB: hang on, I can upload a screenshot
[07:29] <zack> TheHighChild: probably an applet i need to select
[07:29] <james_xxx> ok this is nuts..... i have had all of these issues with 3D graphics on kubuntu on my desktop... now i have lost 3D graphics on my laptop
[07:30] <james_xxx> AND, what caused me to lose 3D graphics on my laptop??? i installed the ATI drivers from easyubuntu
[07:30] <james_xxx> can i undo this?
[07:30] <TheHighChild> zack: Sorry man, I am not too sure what you mean. Do you mean the login screen doesn't show up?
[07:30] <zack> TheHighChild: I need to register
[07:30] <TheHighChild> zack: ok, no worries
[07:30] <dr_willis> it pays to learn how to install them - without using easyubuntu.
[07:31] <zack> TheHighChild: the login is ok
[07:31] <TheHighChild> zack: You mean for multiple desktops? That little thing doesn't show?
[07:31] <james_xxx> dr_willis: i am finding that out... i think easyubuntu may be why i am having all of these issues
[07:31] <zack> TheHighChild: near the time you have boxes labled 1 2 3 4 for me to select my desktop--that is mixxing
[07:32] <zack> missing
[07:32] <dr_willis> james_xx the isntalling of the ati drivers was about a 3 min job - last i did it. :P
[07:32] <james_xxx> dr_willis: the thing is whenever i lose the 3D graphics, the ONLY thing i can do to bring them back is reinstall, and this is beginning to suck
[07:33] <james_xxx> dr_willis: that's all great, but i could not find the drivers in adept, so i used easyubuntu
[07:33] <dr_willis> !ati
[07:33] <ubotu> it has been said that ati is http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/hardware.html#installatidriver or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI ... the radeon 9200 and below are supported by the open-source drivers
[07:33] <dr_willis> i used the shell and apt-get :P
[07:33] <TheHighChild> zack: right click on a blank part of the bar where you want the desktops. Select Add Applet. The appler is called 'Desktop Preview and Changer'
[07:34] <james_xxx> dr_willis: again, that is great, but i don't care what you sued
[07:34] <james_xxx> used*
[07:35] <james_xxx> ok, i have an M6-P chip.... i should have stuck with the generic drivers
[07:35] <weedar> BlankB: http://www.home.no/weedar/snapshot6.png - Here you can see what I'm talking about (in full 640x480 glory)
[07:35] <zack> TheHighChild: ok will try now--got so wrapped up forgot i was on call and had to forward work to me--duh
[07:35] <jjesse> good afternoon, i have two hard drives, and the second one is mounted, how do i set it up so it is automatically mounted?
[07:36] <james_xxx> now that i have lost my 3D graphics, is there ANY way to get them back without re-intsalling????
[07:36] <james_xxx> re-installing*
[07:37] <james_xxx> man i hate kubuntu more and more
[07:37] <BlankB> weedar: ahh...I see.
[07:37] <BlankB> weedar: your screen is too small to see all the options.
[07:38] <BlankB> weedar: find someone with the same graphics card as you and copy their xorg.conf ...after they modify it for generic monitor.
[07:39] <james_xxx> damn it
[07:39] <BlankB> weedar: what card are you using.
[07:39] <james_xxx> i would pay for some real support if i could call someone and not have to pay $250
[07:42] <zack> TheHighChild: did that and got 2--haha
[07:42] <a1337> hello, any ideas on how can i change refresh rate on kubuntu? it only lets me choice 75 hz, and i want 60 :(
[07:42] <zack> TheHighChild: but got one removed and am now downloading my nvidia glx driver
[07:45] <james_xx> kubuntu really sucks
[07:45] <TheHighChild> zack: awesome! Sounds like you're on your way. I'll be around for another 2 hours so keep me posted on any trouble or questions you might have.
[07:46] <zack> TheHighChild: ok and thx again
[07:47] <GullyFoyle> how can i get dapper to recognize my soundcard? sound disappeared when i upgraded.
[07:47] <james_xx> does anyone know ANYONE out there who i could call or chat with to figure out what the hell is wrong with what i am doing, why i keep losing 3D graphics, and what i can do to get them back without re-installing???
[07:48] <a1337> any ideas on how can i make my usb micro to work with kubuntu?
[07:48] <jjesse> jeez dude relax a bit.... maybe no one knows or is busy
[07:48] <james_xx> this has happened repeatedly on my desktop, and has now happened on my laptop
[07:48] <TheHighChild> james_xx: You try reconfiguring your xserver?
[07:48] <jjesse> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver i think
[07:48] <james_xx> jjesse: i have tried asking people about this in here for weeks, no one knows
[07:48] <h3sp4wn> james_xx: Pay canocial for 24/7 support
[07:49] <h3sp4wn> james_xx: I am sure they would be happy to help you for the right fee
[07:49] <james_xx> h3sp4wn: i would pay them if i didn't have to pay $250
[07:49] <GullyFoyle> the output from lspci show my sb soundcard but it's not in the system info
[07:49] <bulltitan> is it safe to install nforce drivers from nvidia site?
[07:49] <zack> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[07:49] <TheHighChild> james_xx: What card are you using?
[07:51] <james_xx> TheHighChild: in this comp, which is now running Mepis because it seems to work, i have a crappy intel extreme graphics II.... on my laptop , i have an ATI radeo M6-P
[07:51] <james_xx> radeon*
[07:51] <TheHighChild> james_xx: You won't get 3d support for your ATI card
[07:51] <james_xx> TheHighChild: please do not suggest that the problem is the chips, i now know better than that
[07:51] <james_xx> TheHighChild: i am sorry, but i had 3D working on it just fine
[07:52] <TheHighChild> james_xx: What driver?
[07:52] <james_xx> TheHighChild: the generic driver
[07:53] <h3sp4wn> less than 9250 ?
[07:53] <james_xx> h3sp4wn: yes, it is an M6-P
[07:53] <h3sp4wn> the support for upto radeon 9600XT is pretty highly experimental
[07:53] <GullyFoyle> hrm lcpci -v shows my nv geForce 6600 and my sblive both on IRQ 3, could that be why i have no sound?
[07:53] <james_xx> h3sp4wn: this is a 4 year old laptop..... it has no 9600xt
[07:54] <james_xx> i am sorry all, i am just frustrated with all of this
[07:54] <h3sp4wn> I don't really know about the laptop cards - But upto r300 has experimental support with x org 7
[07:55] <jjesse> how do i figure out how to mount another hard drive?
[07:55] <james_xx> 3D graphics were working fine until i installed the ATI drivers using easyubuntu
[07:55] <james_xx> on my laptop, that is
[07:55] <a1337> how can i configure my USB micro? i don't even know if it installed
[07:55] <Bernier> hi, when I close my computer , everything goes well except for one thing. when it gets to "will now halt", there's the click sound of the computer when it closes but it doesn't. it stays open and get stuck there until I press the power button. Is there something to do so it closes automatically?
[07:55] <claydoh> ahhh that would be the problem :)
[07:55] <h3sp4wn> That is the problem then the card is told old for fglrx to work well with it
[07:55] <jjesse> remove flgrx
[07:55] <TheHighChild> james_xx: The ATI drivers won't support your card. Uninstall them and try the generic drivers
[07:56] <james_xx> TheHighChild: that is the whole, thing lol... i don't know how to do that. i have tried
[07:56] <TheHighChild> james_xx: ok, I will google and see what I can turn up.
[07:56] <h3sp4wn> That is why easyubuntu is listed as possibly breaking stuff
[07:56] <claydoh> does easyubuntu have any uninstall seatures?
[07:56] <james_xx> all i need to do , is UNDO what i did with easyubuntu
[07:56] <claydoh> features rather
[07:56] <james_xx> claydoh: not that i saw
[07:56] <h3sp4wn> It does
[07:56] <james_xx> it does?
[07:56] <h3sp4wn> (I think(
[07:57] <james_xx> i never saw anything like that on easyubuntu
[07:57] <h3sp4wn> I haven't
[07:57] <h3sp4wn> edit /etc/modules (and change fglrx to radeon)
[07:58] <TheHighChild> james_xx: have you considered changing the driver in your xorg.conf from "fglrx" to "ati"?
[07:58] <james_xx> ok brb i will go to that comp and try it
[07:58] <h3sp4wn> and edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf (and change Driver "fglrx" to Driver "radeon"
[07:58] <james_xx> TheHighChild: i don't know how to do any of this
[07:58] <james_xx> i am an idiot lol
[07:58] <tarmath> hello eveyone. little issue going on with kate opening some binary file types it isnt even associated with when I try to download from konqueror. anyone knows how to fix this annoying behavior?
[07:58] <TheHighChild> james_xx: I can do a walkthrough with you if you're patient
[07:58] <james_xx> TheHighChild: sorry i have been worked up
[07:58] <bulltitan> i have a big problem trying to install nforce drivers for my mobo, appears to be that the only choice in the repos are for nvidia vga cards but i need drivers for my motherboard not vga
[07:58] <james_xx> TheHighChild: let me come back in on my laptop, brb
[07:59] <TheHighChild> james_xx: ok
[07:59] <h3sp4wn> builtitan: they are included in linux-restricted-modules
[07:59] <bulltitan> and i don't know if it is safe to install the one in nvidia's website
[07:59] <bulltitan> ho so they are already in
[07:59] <h3sp4wn> Yes
[07:59] <TheHighChild> h3sp4wn: Any reason you suggest "radeon" over "ati" for jjames_xx?
[07:59] <bulltitan> is there a wat to see if my hdd is working as sata and not ata?
[08:00] <h3sp4wn> TheHighChild: Shouldn't make much difference ati should load radeon automatically
[08:00] <james_xx> TheHighChild: i am sorry, i can't... kubuntu will not come up anymore on my laptop
[08:00] <TheHighChild> james_xx: What is the problem?
[08:00] <h3sp4wn> bulltitan: If it is sata it will be seen as /dev/sdX
[08:01] <bulltitan> :( it is not
[08:01] <gobbe> james_xx, press ctrl-alt-f1 twice and you will get to console
[08:01] <bulltitan> it is sda
[08:01] <h3sp4wn> X meaning any letter from a to z
[08:01] <tarmath> hehe
[08:01] <james_xx> TheHighChild: in trying to figure out what was wrong, i clicked on "proprietary driver" in the display configuration UI
[08:02] <h3sp4wn> bulltitan: It is working as sata
[08:02] <Bernier> hi, when I close my computer , everything goes well except for one thing. when it gets to "will now halt", there's the click sound of the computer when it closes but it doesn't. it stays open and get stuck there until I press the power button. Is there something to do so it closes automatically?
[08:02] <h3sp4wn> bulltitan: Wouldn't work as ata
[08:03] <h3sp4wn> Bernier: Are you using fglrx ?
[08:03] <james_xx> TheHighChild: it is hopeless for me to even mess with kubuntu anymore.... i alwayslose 3D graphics.... i don't like mepis, but that does not happen on mepis
[08:03] <bulltitan> ok then i'll leave nvidia's nforce drivers alone then
[08:03] <TheHighChild> james_xx: It's ok man. It can be fixed
[08:03] <Bernier> h3sp4wn what's that?
[08:03] <h3sp4wn> Bernier: Closed source ati drivers
[08:04] <Bernier> no i have a nvidia card
[08:04] <james_xx> TheHighChild: i appreciate the voluntary support that is offered in here, but tried for 2 months to straighten this out on my desktop, and nothing ever worked
[08:04] <a1337> is there any place where i can configure my USB microphone?
[08:04] <TheHighChild> james_xx: You may want to reconfigure your xserver. You can do that with 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' When you do that. Select "ati" as your video driver
[08:04] <h3sp4wn> Bernier: I don't know then (I had a similar problem with my fglrx which I couldn't fix without upgrading to 2.6.16 and installing the fglrx kernel module from source)
[08:05] <Bernier> ok
[08:05] <Bernier> but seriously i think it does that since i've installed my drivers
[08:05] <TheHighChild> james_xx: I'd hate to see you give up man. But that choice is up to you, however, I'll offer the support I can if you decide to stick it out.
[08:06] <james_xx> TheHighChild: i have spent weeks trying to sort this out lol
[08:07] <tarmath> hello eveyone. little issue going on with kate opening some binary file types it isnt even associated with when I try to download from konqueror. anyone knows how to fix this annoying behavior?
[08:07] <TheHighChild> james_xx: It takes some setting up but once you get it you don't usually have to do much to maintain it.
[08:08] <TheHighChild> james_xx: If you want to get me a copy of your xorg.conf, I'd be happy to take a look at it.
[08:08] <james_xx> TheHighChild: most people in here have just insisted that the problem is my video chip.... in fact they have insisted on it, and now i know that isn't true, because it works fine with mepis (i am talking about my desktop here, with an intel video chip)
[08:08] <TheHighChild> zack: How are things on your end?
[08:09] <GullyFoyle> do i need to go into the bios to change IRQ for my soundcard?
[08:09] <TheHighChild> james_xx: Some may have felt that was the case or simply didn't want to hurt their ego by suggesting they didn't know the problem or rather, how to fix it.
[08:10] <james_xx> TheHighChild: ego has seemed to be a big thing, but that is just people lol. glad i have no ego :-))
[08:10] <TheHighChild> james_xx: I can't promise to fix anything but I try and help out where I think I might be able to, if not, I don't pipe up.
[08:11] <TheHighChild> james_xx: at any rate, can you get me a copy of your /etc/X11/xorg.conf?
[08:11] <caciano> des
[08:11] <h3sp4wn> TheHighChild: I am going to hassle kbrooks to get easyubuntu fixed so it won't install fglrx on old cards
[08:11] <james_xx> TheHighChild: i am not sure,  i can't exactly talk to  you from the laptop anymore, so there would be no cutting and pasting
[08:12] <TheHighChild> h3sp4wn: That's be great. Not sure why it wouldn't be considered for a production release
[08:12] <TheHighChild> james_xx: Why doesn't the laptop startup?
[08:12] <h3sp4wn> TheHighChild: Neither do I
[08:12] <caciano> hola alguien sabe como instalar el amsn para linux
[08:13] <SubNet> Wei jemand von Euch welche Symbole Konqueror in der Seitenleiste (F9) benutzt, um die Ordner anzuzeigen? Gleiche Frage fr den open-Dialog von KDE, welche Ordner da in der Datei-Liste benutzt werden?
[08:13] <james_xx> i am wondering if easyubuntu isn't what has screwed things up on my laptop and desktop both
[08:13] <Trae> not getting any taskbar notifications of events with my gnome applications in KDE
[08:13] <james_xx> SubNet: es gibt nicht viele in diesem raum die dir auf deutsch gut helfen koennen
[08:13] <TheHighChild> james_xx: It's a great App, Automatix as well. But people tend not to read about what packages are installed.
[08:14] <Bazzi> james_xx: easyubuntu was broken for me on dapper
[08:14] <TheHighChild> james_xx: Not that it's anyone's fault but don't put too much trust into anything you initiate with sudo
[08:14] <SubNet> james_xx: ich habs wieder erst gemerkt, als ich schon abgeschickt habe - wollte das auch nach kubuntu-de posten :/
[08:14] <h3sp4wn> trust aptitude and nothing else
[08:14] <james_xx> SubNet: ach so, lol. ich hoff dass sie dir helfen
[08:15] <h3sp4wn> (least problems for me)
[08:15] <TheHighChild> james_xx: Do you get an error with your laptop when you startup?
[08:15] <SubNet> Does anyone know what icons konqui uses to display the Folders in the Sidebar?
[08:15] <james_xx> TheHighChild: well, it just does not load seem to be loading up the desktop anymore
[08:16] <SubNet> Are they from 16x16/filesystems??
[08:16] <TheHighChild> james_xx: Did you recently do a dist-upgrade?
[08:16] <gobbe> james_xx, have you tried ctrl-alt-f1 ?
[08:16] <gobbe> james_xx, i think that your x doesn't want to start now
[08:16] <james_xx> gobbe: brb , iwkll
[08:16] <james_xx> I WILL*
[08:16] <TheHighChild> james_xx: ctrl + alt + f7 to get back to your desktop
[08:17] <gobbe> try to press them 2 or 3 times to get ensure
[08:21] <james_xx> TheHighChild: no, this was a fresh install.... everything was fine until i installed the ati drivers from easyubuntu
[08:21] <james_xx> ok, i did alt+F1 and i am in
[08:21] <TheHighChild> james_xx: Follow me carefully.
[08:21] <james_xx> TheHighChild: this will be hard, because i cannot chat with you from the computer
[08:21] <gobbe> ok, i don't mess up with this anymore, hope you'll get system up and running
[08:21] <james_xx> that*
[08:22] <james_xx> TheHighChild: all i have is the command prompt, no desktop environment
[08:23] <gobbe> you don't need it
[08:23] <james_xx> ok
[08:23] <james_xx> gobbe: i need it to chat, and to cut and paste commands lol
[08:23] <GullyFoyle> why wont dapper recognize my souncard? it worked fine in breezy
[08:24] <TheHighChild> james, press ctrl + alt + f1 to get to your failssafe terminal. Log in there and type 'sudo cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf-backup'
[08:24] <gobbe> james_xx, commands are easy to write without cut&paste :)
[08:24] <TheHighChild> james_xx: Then type 'sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf'   In there will be a driver section and should have "fglrx" listed as the driver. navigate there with your arrow keys and delete "fglrx" and replace it with "ati" press ctrl + o to save and ctrl + x to quit.
[08:24] <james_xx> gobbe: not if you have to get the commands from a PC in one room, and go enter them in a PC in another
[08:25] <james_xx> TheHighChild: ok, brb
[08:25] <TheHighChild> james_xx: hold on
[08:25] <GullyFoyle> i do lspci -v and it shows my souncard but it's not available in system settings
[08:25] <TheHighChild> james_xx: Make sure you received and noted both messages. The first wasn't addressed to you so it'll be amongst the global
[08:29] <TheHighChild> james_xx: Once you save your xorg.conf, type 'startx' on the command line (maybe 'sudo startx') and see what happens
[08:30] <linuxmonkey> anyone here use NFS? If so can ya help me
[08:30] <h3sp4wn> You may have issues due to the fglrx kernel module being in /etc/modules
[08:30] <h3sp4wn> and hence loaded
[08:31] <james_xx> TheHighChild: it says that it cannot stat... no such file or directory
[08:31] <h3sp4wn> linuxmonkey: what do you need to know
[08:31] <linuxmonkey> h3sp4wn:  well its all setup and working but when I transfer any files its so freaking slow (300KB/s) and I got a 100mbit connection between the 2 computers
[08:31] <mythicness> I am trying to install kubuntu from live cd, but when I specify it to use my 35GB ext3 partition it says "Invalid mount point"
[08:32] <GullyFoyle> grrr i'm gonna go back to breezy
[08:32] <mythicness> (I am triple booting on a macbook pro)
[08:32] <mythicness> any ideas?
[08:32] <h3sp4wn> linuxmonkey: try mounting it using -o nolock
[08:33] <james_xx> TheHighChild: are you still there?
[08:33] <linuxmonkey> it mounted in my fstab so were do I put that
[08:33] <h3sp4wn> linuxmonkey: are you using nfs-kernel-server or the userspace one
[08:33] <TheHighChild> james_xx: yeah man
[08:33] <h3sp4wn> linuxmonkey: Do it manually until you know its working properly
[08:33] <linuxmonkey> h3sp4wn: nfs-kernel-server
[08:34] <linuxmonkey> h3sp4wn: it works just slow
[08:34] <james_xx> TheHighChild: it said  that there was no such file or directory
[08:34] <TheHighChild> james_xx: try this "cd /etc/X11/"
[08:35] <linuxmonkey> h3sp4wn: nolock is on the client side?
[08:35] <h3sp4wn> linuxmonkey: yes
[08:35] <ninHer> hi all
[08:35] <james_xx> TheHighChild: no such file or directory
[08:36] <zack> TheHighChild: well got nvidia drivers in--now now opengl screensaver--but i will get those worked out
[08:36] <TheHighChild> james_xx: That's not right. Are you sure you have the X in X11 capitalized?
[08:36] <linuxmonkey> h3sp4wn: when I add nolock it gives me permission denied
[08:37] <james_xx> TheHighChild: ok there was my problem, brb
[08:37] <h3sp4wn> linuxmonkey: It needs to be run as root or via sudo
[08:37] <linuxmonkey> i know
[08:37] <h3sp4wn> linuxmonkey: you need to unmount it first
[08:37] <zack> TheHighChild: had to wash the cat :)
[08:37] <linuxmonkey> i did
[08:37] <TheHighChild> zack: real cat?
[08:37] <h3sp4wn> linuxmonkey: It does not give permission denied if run as root I know that
[08:38] <TheHighChild> zack: I am glad that is up and working for you man. Keep me posted if you have any trouble
[08:38] <linuxmonkey> grrr my home folder is messing up.. just a sec gonna restart
[08:38] <h3sp4wn> restarting rarely solves anything
[08:38] <james_xx> TheHighChild: ok, i got cd /etc/X11/ to work
[08:39] <linuxmonkey> h3sp4wn:  in this case it should fix 1 thing
[08:39] <zack> TheHighChild: NP
[08:39] <weedar> !mp3
[08:39] <ubotu> hmm... mp3 is a patented format; to enable mp3 capability see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[08:39] <h3sp4wn> linuxmonkey: If the filesystem is damaged just do sudo init 1
[08:39] <linuxmonkey> my /home is frozen and thats were I mount it under /home/username/server
[08:40] <TheHighChild> james_xx: Ok, type 'sudo cp xorg.conf xorg.conf-backup' PLEASE make sure you note the spaces and everything
[08:40] <h3sp4wn> linuxmonkey: do sudo umount /home
[08:40] <h3sp4wn> linuxmonkey: add nolock to the options part of fstab
[08:41] <GullyFoyle>  "/dev/audio: no such device" huh? lspci -v shows my sblive
[08:42] <h3sp4wn> linuxmonkey: that should make it a bit faster
[08:42] <james_xx> TheHighChild: ok i entered that
[08:43] <ubuntu> hy all
[08:43] <ubuntu> i got a live cd installer problem
[08:43] <ubuntu> who's a admin or someone who can really help me?
[08:44] <CILLY-XUGOZ> c'mon people
[08:44] <TheHighChild> james_xx: Ok, no here comes the fun part. type 'sudo nano xorg.conf' That should open up your xorg.conf in an editor called nano. You can navigate with your arrow keys. In there, go to the driver section and look for 'Driver      "fglrx"' change the "fglrx" to "ati" and press ctrl + o to save and ctrl + x to quit. Then type 'sudo startx'
[08:46] <samuli> or type sudo sed -e 's/"fglrx"/"ati"/' -i /etc/X11/xorg.conf  :)
[08:48] <janssen> Hi all. Quick question: are there Dapper packages for Kdevelop, or not? I've read installation guides for kdevelop which refer to the package "kdevelop3", but apt-get tells me that package doesn't exist. Will I need to install from source?
[08:48] <TheHighChild> janssen: probably need to enable the repos
[08:48] <TheHighChild> janssen: I am seeing it in my apt-cache
[08:50] <xanthine> hi, I'm trying to compile Qt 4, but it's missing the header file /usr/include/GL/gl.h, and I can't find that file in any packages (using "apt-file search gl.h") - any ideas?
[08:50] <h3sp4wn> janssen: Its in universe
[08:50] <TheHighChild> janssen: looks likes it's under KDE in the Universe
[08:50] <TheHighChild> h3sp4wn: FTW
[08:51] <TheHighChild> james_xx: How are we doing
[08:51] <janssen> TheHighChild: Sorry, I'm new to ubuntu and don't really understand apt-get, so I'm not sure what you mean. Do I need to change my repository settings in adept?
[08:51] <TheHighChild> !repos
[08:51] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource.
[08:51] <Mitja> How can I find out which ports are open publicly?
[08:52] <janssen> TheHighChild: (... or apt-get)
[08:52] <TheHighChild> janssen: I'd read those links, They're probably explain better than I will
[08:52] <janssen> sweet, thanks all
[08:52] <james_xx> TheHighChild: i have the desktop back, but it is huge. i tried to change the display settings, but no success yet
[08:52] <james_xx> beb
[08:52] <james_xx> brb*
[08:53] <TheHighChild> james_xx: The GUI is good. I am glad you've made it back. Congratulations to be honest. Most users would have quit when their GUI didn't start. Nice work james.
[08:53] <joh6nn> upgraded to dapper last night, and now i can't play mp3s.  anyone have any ideas?
[08:54] <kronoz> !mp3
[08:54] <ubotu> I guess mp3 is a patented format; to enable mp3 capability see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[08:54] <joh6nn> yeah.
[08:54] <ninHer> it is
[08:54] <joh6nn> i know
[08:54] <joh6nn> i upgraded
[08:54] <ninHer> use ogg vorbis instead
[08:54] <kronoz> they cna be played fine :p
[08:54] <joh6nn> kronoz: i didn't say they couldn't, i said it broke after i upgraded
[08:55] <TheHighChild> joh6nn: What app are you trying to play with?
[08:55] <Bazzi> joh6nn: you need to pull libxine-extracodecs now
[08:55] <joh6nn> bazzi: i'll give that a shot, thanks
[08:55] <kronoz> joh6nn, read that page ubotu linked to, it will tell you how to enable mp3/wma/ram/whatever
[08:55] <Bazzi> but if you read that wiki page thoroughly
[08:55] <tarmath> I got an issue going on with kate opening some binary file types it isnt even associated with when I try to download from konqueror, anyone?
[08:56] <joh6nn> Bazzi: i'm used to pointing people to that page
[08:56] <joh6nn> so i thought my question was being misunderstood
[08:56] <linuxmonkey> h3sp4wn: that didnt fix anything same speeds
[08:57] <h3sp4wn> samuli: That sed command is not very safe you are better with perl -pi.bak -e 's/fglrx/radeon/i' /etc/X11/xorg.conf or however you make a backup with sed
[08:57] <joh6nn> Bazzi: Package libxine-extracodecs is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[08:58] <james_xxx> TheHighChild: this is me, i am on the laptop, but... everything is GIANT
[08:58] <Bazzi> joh6nn: multiverse then
[08:58] <james_xxx> TheHighChild: and it won't let me change the settingd
[08:58] <james_xxx> settings*
[08:59] <CaBlGuY> Howdy....   I'z back..
[08:59] <Bazzi> joh6nn maybe the upgrade disabled it
[08:59] <h3sp4wn> linuxmonkey: Not sure read about nfs performance tuning sun has some good docs it in the bigadmin part
[08:59] <TheHighChild> james_xxx Let me google a bit. Ask the global chat if they're familiar. I'll check the wiki and forums and see what I can turn up.
[08:59] <linuxmonkey> thanks for the warning CaBlGuY
[08:59] <CaBlGuY> linuxmonkey:  anytime buddie..   :p
[08:59] <linuxmonkey> h3sp4wn:  im gonna ask in ubuntu too
[09:00] <h3sp4wn> linuxmonkey: cross posting is considered inpolite
[09:00] <CaBlGuY> linuxmonkey:  U know anything about getting the new 0.12.0 version of kopete??
[09:00] <linuxmonkey> nope CaBlGuY
[09:00] <CaBlGuY> well s00t, what good r ya??   :p
[09:00] <CaBlGuY> *sh00t
[09:01] <CaBlGuY> !building packages
[09:01] <ubotu> CaBlGuY: My cat's name is Mittens! Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[09:01] <CaBlGuY> LOL
[09:01] <andred> CaBlGuY: http://www.ubuntu-zh.org/~freeflying/packages/kopete_0.12.0-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
[09:01] <collins> console switching fails - tty1,5,6 works, tt2-tt4 console garbled linefeeds don't work - any suggestions
[09:01] <CaBlGuY> thanks andred...
[09:01] <TheHighChild> james_xxx: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto?highlight=%28resolution%29
[09:01] <TheHighChild> james_xxx Let me know if you have questions
[09:02] <james_xxx> TheHighChild: i just don't know what to do lol
[09:02] <h3sp4wn> TheHighChild: has he changed fglrx to radeon in /etc/modules ?
[09:02] <james_xxx> TheHighChild: it acts like i am using a 30 inch monitor
[09:03] <CaBlGuY> :-O   wow!!!   that would b HUGE...
[09:03] <CaBlGuY> :o)  and nice..
[09:03] <h3sp4wn> TheHighChild: That fglrx kernel module being loaded will mess stuff up
[09:03] <h3sp4wn> TheHighChild: Either that or easyubuntu doesn't even do that properly
[09:05] <h3sp4wn> I think I would prefer two high quality 19 inch monitors to a 30 inch one
[09:05] <james_xxx> CaBlGuY: it's not nice
[09:05] <TheHighChild> h3sp4wn: I only had him change the fglrx to ati. I don't know anything about the modules, any chance you can help him a bit with that?
[09:05] <CaBlGuY> james_xxx, I know but I'm sayin, if you had a 30" monitor, that would be cool..
[09:07] <h3sp4wn> james_xxx: run cat /etc/modules (to see whether fglrx is in there)
[09:08] <h3sp4wn> james_xxx: if it is then run 'sudo perl -pi.bak -e 's/fglrx/radeon/i' /etc/modules' and restart the machine
[09:09] <joh6nn> Bazzi: thank you, that was it.  kronoz: sorry, i should've read the page.  thanks
[09:11] <christos_> hello
[09:11] <TheHighChild> How are we doing james_xxx
[09:11] <CaBlGuY> thanks again andred... got it all installed.. ;)
[09:12] <andred> CaBlGuY: np
[09:12] <christos_> can anybody help me installing knemo and some other stuff????
[09:13] <gobbe> christos_, sudo apt-get install knemo?
[09:14] <christos_> damn. i'd tried it yeasterday and it didnt work. libc6 was old or sth
[09:14] <christos_> but now it's installed. thnx anyway gobbe
[09:14] <Mitja> Which firewall do you recommend for kubuntu?
[09:14] <TheHighChild> james_xx: How is it going man?
[09:15] <james_xxx> TheHighChild: ok, i have the desktop looking normal again... but no 3D graphics at all
[09:16] <james_xxx> TheHighChild: i try to start planet penguin to test 3D, and it will not even load
[09:16] <h3sp4wn> TheHighChild: the line is above sudo perl -pi.bak -e 's/fglrx/radeon/i' /etc/modules (makes a backup of /etc/modules as well)
[09:17] <TheHighChild> james_xxx: This is the ATI card right?
[09:17] <james_xxx> TheHighChild: yes
[09:17] <TheHighChild> Thanks alot h3sp4wn
[09:18] <TheHighChild> james_xxx: I don't know what to tell you man. I've never heard of 3d working on an ATI card older than a 9200.
[09:18] <james_xxx> TheHighChild: well, i appreciate the help anyways
[09:18] <james_xxx> i am just goingto reinstall
[09:18] <TheHighChild> james_xxx: I have the same problem in my laptop with my 7500
[09:19] <zenithsN00b> I was wondering if festival could be set up to rival the at&t natural voice technology that costs 200 bucks??
[09:19] <james_xxx> TheHighChild: 3D was working fine until i installed the ati driver from easyubuntu
[09:19] <TheHighChild> james_xxx: What driver were you using before?
[09:19] <james_xxx> TheHighChild: open source
[09:19] <james_xxx> TheHighChild: the same one , 'ati'
[09:20] <TheHighChild> james_xxx: and you're positive 3D was working?
[09:20] <james_xxx> TheHighChild: absolutely positive
[09:20] <h3sp4wn> The only reason 3d would not be working is because the fglrx kernel module was being loaded from /etc/modules instead of radeon
[09:21] <TheHighChild> h3sp4wn: I thought 3d wasn't supported on the old ATI's
[09:21] <james_xxx> TheHighChild: let me ask this... would planet penguin work without 3D?
[09:21] <h3sp4wn> It is if you have the kernel module
[09:22] <h3sp4wn> mesa has accelerated 3d for them
[09:22] <TheHighChild> james_xxx: I have no idea what planet penguin is. Hold on and I'll check
[09:22] <james_xxx> h3sp4wn: i installed planet penguin just to see if it would work on here... it did until i ran easyubuntu
[09:23] <GullyFoyle> under kinfocenter it says no soundcard but lspci -v shows my sblive. how do i get dapper to recognize my soundcard?
[09:23] <h3sp4wn> glxinfo should say direct rendering: Yes (if the kernel module is working properly but I expect fglrx's kernel module is being loaded
[09:23] <simp> is there any alternative for photoshop in linux?
[09:23] <h3sp4wn> gimp
[09:23] <Where|here> Hello. Localhost isn't responding to my pings (it worked yesterday, and I didn't do any changes to my system). Does anyone know what might be the problem?
[09:24] <simp> ok i'l give it a try h3sp4wn will sudo apt-get install gimp work fine?
[09:24] <james_xxx> h3sp4wn: glxinfo says GLX is missing
[09:24] <TheHighChild> simp gimp and krita are image manipulators. You should be able to 'sudo apt-get install gimp'
[09:25] <h3sp4wn> james_xxx: run kdesu kate /etc/modules
[09:25] <h3sp4wn> james_xxx: and pastebin the contents of that file
[09:27] <james_xxx> h3sp4wn: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15483
[09:27] <GullyFoyle> i'm gonna try mepis. this "upgrade" to dapper has been a joke.
[09:28] <h3sp4wn> james_xxx: You are going to have to use nano again sudo nano /etc/modules
[09:28] <Gentix> I got problems changing the root passwd. 'sudo passwd' root won't work (using fresh dapperinstall)
[09:28] <james_xxx> GullyFoyle: i am running mepis on my desktop
[09:28] <GullyFoyle> hopefully it has better hadware recognition
[09:28] <iNiku> Gentix: won't work, how?
[09:28] <h3sp4wn> GullyFoyle: Kanotix is pretty good
[09:28] <Gentix> iNiku: I simply can't change it
[09:28] <james_xxx> GullyFoyle: it does
[09:28] <iNiku> Gentix: do you get an error message?
[09:29] <Gentix> iNiku: is does absolutely nothing
[09:29] <h3sp4wn> GullyFoyle: Kanotix hardware detection of kanotix is considered to be second to none
[09:29] <james_xxx> h3sp4wn: ok i entered that
[09:29] <iNiku> Gentix: um, that makes no sense
[09:29] <iNiku> Gentix: what exactly are you doing?
[09:29] <Gentix> iNiku: asif my user acount has no sudo rughts
[09:29] <h3sp4wn> james_xxx: So whats in the file ?
[09:29] <iNiku> Gentix: if that was the case, you would get an error message
[09:29] <Gentix> iNiku: 'sudo passwd root'
[09:30] <GullyFoyle> h3sp4wn: well everything workedfine under breezy but dapper has screwed many things up
[09:30] <iNiku> Gentix: just 'sudo passwd' will do
[09:30] <james_xxx> h3sp4wn: lp, psmouse, sbp2, sr_mod
[09:30] <TheHighChild> Gentix, the first password request after the command will be your sudo password, the second will be the root password
[09:30] <Gentix> iNiku: it askes for a password as it always does for a sudo action wich is a simple enter
[09:30] <Gentix> iNiku: and then nothing
[09:30] <Gentix> iNiku: the same goes for a 'sudo apt-get update'
[09:31] <h3sp4wn> james_xxx: add radeon to the bottom of it then do control X and yes
[09:31] <Gentix> TheHighChild: I know after giving the simple enter it does nothing
[09:31] <james_xxx> h3sp4wn: ok i did that, should i reboot?
[09:31] <iNiku> Gentix: do a 'sudo id'
[09:31] <h3sp4wn> james_xxx: Not yet I have just thought of something
[09:32] <iNiku> Gentix: at the password prompt, enter your user password
[09:32] <james_xxx> ok
[09:32] <TheHighChild> Gentix: By 'does nothing' it doesn't give an error?
[09:32] <Gentix> iNiku: sudo id?
[09:32] <iNiku> Gentix: yes
[09:32] <Gentix> TheHighChild: precise
[09:32] <iNiku> Gentix: can you pastebin what exactly happens when you do that?
[09:33] <h3sp4wn> james_xxx: run sudo aptitude purge xorg-driver-fglrx
[09:33] <Gentix> iNiku: it simply gives no feedback at all
[09:33] <TheHighChild> Gentix, no error is good. If you type a command and there is no output, it means that the command worked fine.
[09:33] <iNiku> TheHighChild: not really, if the command is supposed to output something
[09:33] <h3sp4wn> james_xxx: Then reboot after saying yes (libGL and some other things are replaced when fglrx is installed that should put them back)
[09:33] <iNiku> Gentix: okay, what does id say?
[09:33] <Gentix> TheHighChild: it does nothing! No hd activety no updating no paswd changes
[09:33] <TheHighChild> Gentix: Type 'su' and see what happens
[09:34] <Gentix> ..
[09:34] <Gentix> nevermind
[09:34] <Gentix> Thanx for all the help
[09:34] <benkong2> whoa! here how can this be??
[09:34] <james_xxx> h3sp4wn: i'll be back in a sec
[09:34] <iNiku> Gentix: so what was it? :D
[09:34] <h3sp4wn> james_xxx: has it being removed ?
[09:34] <iNiku> I'm curious
[09:34] <Gentix> I had it with this thing
[09:34] <h3sp4wn> james_xxx: i.e you ran the aptitude command and pressed yes ?
[09:34] <james_xxx> h3sp4wn: yes, i think so
[09:35] <h3sp4wn> james_xxx: ok it should be ok then
[09:35] <james_xxx> brb
[09:35] <iNiku> Gentix: ah, I thought you figured it out
[09:35] <Gentix> iNiku: the problem is still there. I'm just not going to fix it
[09:35] <Gentix> iNiku: I'll just do it the right way.. REMOVE IT
[09:35] <iNiku> well, whatever...
[09:35] <nocloud> does anybody know how i can run an executable file?
[09:36] <TheHighChild> Ugh. I hate trying to help people and have them just quit. ARGH!
[09:36] <nocloud> i downloaded an executable file and i have no clue how to run it
[09:36] <benkong2> how can my server be passing out ip addresses like 169.254.191.238 subnet of 255.255.0.0 with a default gw of 10.0.0.1??? and its working I am on the box now
[09:36] <iNiku> TheHighChild: yeah, pretty frustrating. oh well.
[09:36] <iNiku> TheHighChild: the way I see it, if they do that they didn't deserve the help in the first place
[09:36] <TheHighChild> iNiku: I'm not even 1337. I just try to help when I can. I'll put the time in but I expect anyone who's asking to do the same.
[09:37] <iNiku> nocloud: what exactly did you download?
[09:37] <iNiku> nocloud: how do you know it's executable?
[09:37] <nocloud> vnc viewer enterprise edition
[09:37] <nocloud> konqueror says its an executable file
[09:37] <iNiku> nocloud: well, then you can probably double-click on it in konqueror
[09:38] <nocloud> when i double click on it, it asks me what i want to open it with.....
[09:38] <TheHighChild> Well guys, I'm off work for the evening. Take care. and james_xx Good luck man. I hope it all works out well. Congrats on sticking it out.
[09:39] <iNiku> nocloud: what's the file called?
[09:39] <iNiku> I don't know why konqueror says it's executable but linux software usually isn't distributed as executables
[09:40] <benkong2> anyone??
[09:40] <nocloud> anyone?
[09:40] <benkong2> how can my server be passing out ip addresses like 169.254.191.238 subnet of 255.255.0.0 with a default gw of 10.0.0.1??? and its working I am on the box now
[09:40] <benkong2> I know it sounds crazy but its what I have
[09:41] <iNiku> benkong2: windows internet connection sharing?
[09:41] <iNiku> or something
[09:41] <mneisen> hello, my adept tells me that the "packaging system database" is locked. What can I do?
[09:41] <benkong2> no I have a gentoo box as a server and dnsmasq passes out ip addresses
[09:42] <iNiku> mneisen: make sure you don't have another package manager running at the same time
[09:42] <james_xxx> h3sp4wn: planet penguin, which i have been using to test this, still will not load, so i am assuming the 3D thing is still non-functional
[09:42] <benkong2> iNiku: actually syslog says it gave the box 10.0.0.100 as an ip address
[09:42] <mneisen> iNiku: I do not have any other package manager running, I rebooted.
[09:42] <h3sp4wn> james_xxx: what does glxinfo say ?
[09:42] <iNiku> benkong2: okay...
[09:42] <iNiku> benkong2: windows client?
[09:42] <james_xxx> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0"
[09:42] <talljon84> Hey all-  I insalled Dapper on my laptop and it is consistantly using 40%+ CPU usage. It's taking a toll on battery time. I'm not sure how to tell if any given program is doing this. Suggestions?
[09:43] <benkong2> iNiku: no this is a kubuntu fresh install
[09:43] <iNiku> mneisen: then there might be a lock file left behind if a package manager died or you rebooted uncleanly while it was running
[09:43] <iNiku> benkong2: okay, so where did you see the 169 address?
[09:43] <h3sp4wn> james_xxx: pastebin /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[09:44] <benkong2> iNiku: in a terminal when I do an ifconfig and on knemo
[09:44] <benkong2> talljon84: in a terminal try top
[09:44] <james_xxx> h3sp4wn: do i sudo nano that?
[09:45] <h3sp4wn> james_xxx: You can do
[09:45] <mneisen> iNiku: What shall I do? I already did "rm /var/lib/dpgk/lock".
[09:45] <talljon84> benkong2: I did that and it shows CPUs at 40% but the highest program in the list is 5%... and those listed done't add up to the total amount.
[09:46] <iNiku> benkong2: um, so ifconfig shows you have an 169 ip address but your dhcp server claims it gave out 10.0.0.100?
[09:46] <iNiku> blah.
[09:46] <slow-motion> hallo
[09:46] <talljon84> iNiku: is it at 169.254 address or something else?
[09:46] <iNiku> talljon84: 169.254 apparently
[09:47] <iNiku> mneisen: if that doesn't help, then I have no idea... sorry
[09:47] <benkong2> sorry my konversation crashed
[09:47] <mneisen> iNiku: thanks anyways.
[09:47] <talljon84> iNiku: 169.254.*.* are self-assigned. DHCP servers don't give those addresses out. A client assigns itself one of those when no DHCP server response was received.
[09:47] <benkong2> iNiku: I missed your last comment
[09:47] <iNiku> talljon84: I know that, except I've never seen a linux system do that, only windows
[09:47] <james_xxx> h3sp4wn: how do i copy all of that? there is no place i can select 'select all'
[09:47] <mneisen> iNiku: One more question: what package managers are there, i.e., how do I find them using ps or something similar.
[09:48] <h3sp4wn> james_xxx: the ouput of dpkg-divert --list (may also be useful) as may the output of cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[09:48] <iNiku> mneisen: um... synaptic, adept, aptitude, apt-get, dpkg
[09:48] <benkong2> I agree also however this one is either telling me the wrong thing from ifconfig and knemo
[09:48] <resmo> hi
[09:48] <talljon84> iNiku: Neither have I... but doesn't mean that someone didn't build support for it into Dapper.
[09:48] <james_xxx> h3sp4wn: i think i could save everyone some time by re-installing.
[09:48] <h3sp4wn> james_xxx: the bit we are interested in is Section "Module"
[09:49] <iNiku> talljon84: my dapper box doesn't do it (thank god)
[09:49] <talljon84> haha
[09:49] <h3sp4wn> james_xxx: and everything under that until EndSection
[09:49] <iNiku> benkong2: what is knemo?
[09:49] <james_xxx> h3sp4wn: it will not let me copy all of that
[09:50] <benkong2> its a KDE app that monitors network connections...sits in the tray
[09:50] <iNiku> benkong2: ah. well, I would trust ifconfig.
[09:50] <benkong2> iNiku: yes I agree problem is ifconfig says the same thing
[09:51] <h3sp4wn> james_xxx: If just the bits inbetween Section "Module" and EndSection is more than a screenful then there is a very big problem
[09:51] <iNiku> benkong2: okay, pastebin ifconfig -a and netstat -nrv
[09:51] <benkong2> iNiku: ok doing that now
[09:52] <james_xxx> h3sp4wn: i would say 3 screens full
[09:52] <james_xxx> at least
[09:52] <h3sp4wn> james_xxx: just between those two lines
[09:53] <iNiku> benkong2: what do you use for configuring your network? /etc/network/interfaces and ifup/down? manual ifconfig? some k thingy?
[09:53] <benkong2> is there something wrong with pastebin? i get this "Query failure: Table 'pastebin.pastebin' doesn't exist"
[09:54] <benkong2> I use /etc/network/interfaces/
[09:54] <iNiku> um... which pastebin?
[09:54] <benkong2> http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/
[09:54] <benkong2> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/
[09:54] <benkong2> sorry the second one
[09:54] <james_xxx> h3sp4wn: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15486
[09:54] <iNiku> yeah, that seems to be broken
[09:54] <james_xxx> h3sp4wn: i am retarted lol
[09:55] <benkong2> ok I got one hold on please
[09:55] <james_xxx> kubuntu pastebin is not working
[09:55] <iNiku> benkong2: use the ubuntu-nl.org one
[09:55] <h3sp4wn> iNiku: I have backported wpasupplicant from sid (compiled against madwifi-ng not madwifi-old) do you have madwif-ng in your kernel modules under madwifi-ng /lib/modules/xxx/madwifi-ng (how can it be forced to be loaded ?)
[09:56] <earHertz> how do I invoke ksambaplugin (I want to share some directories)
[09:57] <h3sp4wn> james_xxx: add load "glx" to the bottom of that section
[09:57] <h3sp4wn> james_xxx: then run this command 'sudo perl -pi.bak -e 's/ati/radeon/i' /etc/X11/xorg.conf' then reboot
[09:58] <iNiku> h3sp4wn: hmm, yeah, I do... so dapper comes with both madwifi-old and madwifi-ng, then?
[09:58] <eliram> i need help regarding wine emulator
[09:58] <iNiku> h3sp4wn: looks like the -ng modules are called new_whatnot
[09:58] <h3sp4wn> iNiku: Looks like it but wpa_supplicant is built against madwifi-old
[09:58] <benkong2> ok here's the info. I sent a screen shot just so you'd know I am for real. http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15487
[09:58] <iNiku> h3sp4wn: -Dwext should do the trick, though?
[09:59] <h3sp4wn> iNiku: I know that but network manager doesn't seem to like it
[09:59] <james_xxx> h3sp4wn: brb
[09:59] <MikeMcA> I have a new installation of kubuntu on my laptop.  My wireless is working fine except that every time I reboot I have to either set the wep key via iwconfig or go into Wireless Assistant, both of which require me to enter a password manually.  I'd like the wireless to just automatically connect on boot - is there a way to set that up?  Thanks
[09:59] <iNiku> benkong2: okay, it works because you have a network route for 10.0.0.0 on eth0
[10:00] <benkong2> hmmmm.... I wonder where I did that?
[10:00] <iNiku> benkong2: I have no idea why you're getting an IP like that, though
[10:00] <Bazzi> MikeMcA: I had that problem before, playing with network settings in network manager helped, i.e. reloading it a few times
[10:00] <iNiku> benkong2: can you try an ifdown eth0 ; ifup eth0
[10:00] <benkong2> sure
[10:00] <iNiku> and see what the DHCP client outputs
[10:00] <iNiku> pastebin that
[10:00] <eliram> why cant i see wine emulator in the kde menu???
[10:00] <iNiku> h3sp4wn: ahh, right
[10:01] <Bazzi> eliram, it isn't installed into the meni
[10:01] <Bazzi> menu*
[10:01] <eliram> i installed it throu the packege manager
[10:01] <iNiku> h3sp4wn: so have you tried the dapper -ng modules?
[10:01] <MikeMcA> Bazzi: interesting.  I've had to reinstall a couple times because I kept screwing things up and I feel like on an earlier install it did work correctly, so maybe "jiggling the handle" will take care of it.
[10:01] <iNiku> h3sp4wn: or was that what you were asking about?
[10:01] <eliram> how can i run it then?
[10:01] <h3sp4wn> iNiku: I don't know how to force them to be loaded (I presume you have to blacklist the old ones somehow)
[10:01] <Bazzi> MikeMcA: I have networking problems on 3 of 4 installs. reloading that damn entwork manager resolved all of the problems... weird thing but whatever.
[10:02] <MikeMcA> Bazzi by network mgr do you mean System Settings -> Network Settings, or the Wireless Assistant
[10:02] <talljon84> With LinEAK installed, it doesn't appear to really accomplish anything. kmix is installed but KMIX_MUTE doesn't work for example. A second package KLineakConfig is nice but there are no "Perform Special Action" to select from. Anyone have experience with this that can help?
[10:02] <Bazzi> the former
[10:02] <MikeMcA> Bazzi, great, thanks.  I'll poke at it some more
[10:03] <iNiku> h3sp4wn: yeah, that's a good question
[10:03] <benkong2> iNiku: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15488 this is really funny it says bound to 10.0.0.100 which should be correct
[10:03] <eliram> Bazzi how can i run wine afther installation
[10:03] <eliram> ?
[10:04] <Bazzi> eliram: run winecfg once, and then wine yourprogram.exe
[10:04] <eliram> thanks i will try
[10:04] <benkong2> iNiku: however an ifconfig still gives the 169.254.10.56
[10:04] <Bazzi> eliram: but use the wine repository to get 0.9.14 and dont use the dapper 0.9.9
[10:04] <benkong2> but......I am still using it right now as I type
[10:05] <Bazzi> eliram: if you are familiar with sources.list add "deb http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt dapper main" to it
[10:05] <eliram> ok thank a lot
[10:05] <iNiku> benkong2: that's pretty strange :)
[10:05] <james_xx> h3sp4wn: it didn't work... i am going to reinstall kubuntu
[10:05] <h3sp4wn> james_xx: Don't use easyubuntu
[10:06] <benkong2> iNiku:  yes I know
[10:06] <james_xx> h3sp4wn: i won't. i do have another question for you, though
[10:06] <benkong2> this is a fresh install on an amd64 box
[10:06] <james_xx> h3sp4wn: i bought a geforce mmx 4000 for the desktop computer.... how do i install it?
[10:07] <benkong2> this is a dual boot box but that should not have an effect on the card address
[10:07] <james_xx> h3sp4wn: will kubuntu auto-detect it?
[10:07] <TheHighChild> james_xx: How are you doing man? h3sp4wn You really barrel man. I can only hope to find you when I problems ;)
[10:07] <h3sp4wn> james_xx: You will need the nvidia modules to have accelerated 3d
[10:08] <halibut> I had a folder full of pdf files with previews, but a few pdf files didn't have previews because they were over 5MB, so I went to configure konq -> Previews and meta data -> Maximum filesize for preview,  and increased it to 10MB,  now all of my previews have gone :(
[10:08] <h3sp4wn> james_xx: I don't know anything about mepis - is it an mx 4000 ?
[10:08] <h3sp4wn> james_xx: I have never heard of that
[10:09] <h3sp4wn> james_xx: you will need either nvidia or nvidia-legacy depending on which chipset it is based on
[10:09] <james_xx> h3sp4wn: yes, it is an mx 4000
[10:10] <james_xx> h3sp4wn: part of the reason i got this card was to put kubuntu back on this machine
[10:11] <h3sp4wn> james_xx: I would try following the nvidia howto (to install the normal drivers) if that doesn't work try nvidia legacy
[10:11] <iNiku> benkong2: that's the kind of address a windows box will use if it cannot get an address from DHCP
[10:11] <iNiku> kind of an "autoconfigure address"
[10:12] <james_xx> h3sp4wn: so i need to install kubuntu first... then install nvidia drivers.... then install the card.... then hope it works?
[10:12] <iNiku> but I've never seen it on linux before.
[10:12] <h3sp4wn> james_xx: I think that card is based upon geforce 4 mx which is a higher clocked geforce 2 so I am not too sure which to go for
[10:12] <h3sp4wn> james_xx: Install the card first
[10:12] <james_xx> ok
[10:12] <h3sp4wn> james_xx: When you install kubuntu it will use nv which is the open source nvidia driver
[10:12] <james_xx> ok great
[10:12] <tuxcicles> anyone but me having problems with the new proprietary ati fglrx driver, I had to install the old one because it doesn't work
[10:13] <h3sp4wn> james_xx: then you will need to switch to the closed source one to have accelerated 3d
[10:13] <h3sp4wn> tuxicles: which one is that ?
[10:14] <james_xx> TheHighChild|Gam  and h3sp4wn, i have appreciated the help. i am not sure why i keep losing 3D graphics, but anyways
[10:14] <tuxcicles> h3sp4wn: the new one that is in dapper and at the ati site - i am using the breezy fglrx now
[10:14] <james_xx> h3sp4wn: can i install nvidia and nvidia leagcy both?? or just one or the other??
[10:14] <TheHighChild|Gam> james_xx: np man. I am not super leet but I'd be happy to help you anytime I can. You kick-arse for sticking it out brother
[10:15] <h3sp4wn> james_xx: You only need one
[10:15] <h3sp4wn> james_xx: They conflict with each other
[10:15] <james_xx> h3sp4wn: but being i don't know which one....
[10:15] <james_xx> ok that is what i wanted to know
[10:15] <h3sp4wn> james_xx: try the normal one if that doesn't work try legacy
[10:15] <james_xx> h3sp4wn: i just bought this card at walmart yesterday.... so should i go with nvidia first?
[10:15] <h3sp4wn> james_xx: You could try looking at nvidia.com for the specific lists of cards
[10:16] <h3sp4wn> james_xx: That are supported by each driver
[10:16] <james_xx> ok, thanks again guys
[10:17] <pekuja> does anyone know how I could modify a CD image? I'd basically want to import an ISO image or a CD to K3B, change some files and then burn it onto another CD.
[10:18] <pekuja> it's a bootable CD so I can't just copy the files over because I'd lose the boot image
[10:19] <linuxmonkey> h3sp4wn: the read speed from the NFS is great its just the upload
[10:20] <kalle> need help installing a printer
[10:20] <h3sp4wn> linuxmonkey: was that the case before also ?
[10:20] <linuxmonkey> probably i never tried copying from it. ftp upload is fast, just NFS and I have no clue why
[10:21] <collins> try again. Kubuntu 6.06 user (onboard since Flight 5 of Dapper). I'm getting garbled consoles when using CTL-ALT-FN to switch. 100% up to date on maintenance.
[10:21] <kalle> i'm new with ubuntu
[10:22] <linuxmonkey> h3sp4wn:  gonna try async to see if it does a diff
[10:24] <tiglionabbit> hello
[10:25] <kalle> please help me
[10:26] <tiglionabbit> When I try to play certain games, I get this problem: http://rafb.net/paste/results/dregYL54.html
[10:26] <dani> please someone help...i have universe and multiverse installed but i can-t install libxine/extracodecs, whay?
[10:26] <tiglionabbit> oops forget that that user is root.  I just tried that once in case it was a problem with my user account :[
[10:26] <dani> installed/ enabled
[10:27] <oklinux> what is the easiest way to install java ?
[10:27] <tiglionabbit> oklinux: read up on RestrictedFormats
[10:27] <tiglionabbit> or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[10:27] <kalle> i need help installing a samsung CLP-500, i have a JetDirct 170x
[10:28] <tiglionabbit> dani: you mean libxine-extracodecs ?
[10:28] <tiglionabbit> dani: how are you trying to install it and what is happening?
[10:29] <dani> if i do apt-get install it tells me that it cant find the package but i-vd just installed thru adept, strange
[10:30] <tiglionabbit> dani: you're probably spelling it wrong
[10:31] <linuxmonkey> h3sp4wn: async gives me 40MB/s but then throttles to 12MB/s freezes and then back up
[10:31] <dani> u-r right, becouse i-m doing an instalation for someone with a romanian key map and i-m italian
[10:33] <james_xx> h3sp4wn, i have more questions
[10:33] <james_xx> lol
[10:34] <james_xx> h3sp4wn, i plugged that geforce mx 4000 card in... plugged the monitor into that card.... turned on the computer, and the monitor did not work
[10:35] <h3sp4wn> did you take the old one out
[10:35] <linuxmonkey> Can someone check out http://pastebin.ca/63881 <---its what I get in /var/log/syslog when I first mount a NFS partition.
[10:35] <james_xx> h3sp4wn, it is an integrated video card
[10:36] <h3sp4wn> linuxmonkey: If you run portmap on your local machine also you should get better performance
[10:36] <h3sp4wn> james_xx: There will be a bios setting which allows you to set which graphics card is initialised first
[10:36] <linuxmonkey> h3sp4wn: how do I do that?
[10:37] <h3sp4wn> linuxmonkey: sudo aptitude install portmap
[10:37] <james_xx> h3sp4wn, do i need to unplug the geforce card and reboot, and go into bios?
[10:37] <tiglionabbit> ayabara: don't replace, dual boot
[10:37] <h3sp4wn> james_xx: It shouldn't do
[10:37] <h3sp4wn> james_xx: Just plug the monitor into the other card
[10:37] <kalle> were can i find information aboute installing networkprinter in ubuntu??
[10:37] <james_xx> ok
[10:37] <h3sp4wn> james_xx: Which one is initialised first will be in a setting somewhere
[10:38] <ayabara> tiglionabbit: had dual boot before, considering to go all the way this time. why not?
[10:38] <h3sp4wn> james_xx: Or you can disable the onboard one which may be easiest
[10:38] <tiglionabbit> er, I dunno, but I always find a reason to use windows.  Usually a dumb little game, or photoshop
[10:38] <h3sp4wn> ayabara: May as well - consider a seperate partition for /home if you have a big disk
[10:40] <ayabara> h3sp4wn: laptop with 100gb disk, but the data I need to keep are on a separate partition
[10:41] <james_xx> h3sp4wn, how ould i disable the onboard?
[10:41] <ayabara> tiglionabbit: don't play games, and my girl's got a laptop running xp :-). Last thing that held me in windows was picasa
[10:42] <h3sp4wn> james_xx: Read the motherboard manual or look on the award or ami websites
[10:42] <h3sp4wn> james_xx: It depends on what bios you have
[10:43] <h3sp4wn> ayabara: Can you not just temporarily copy the data to your girls laptop (it would make things alot easier for you)
[10:44] <tiglionabbit> ayabara: ah.  And they've made a linux build of that now, huh
[10:45] <h3sp4wn> Its written in java (hence why its so slow)
[10:45] <ayabara> h3sp4wn: I don't see any problems at all :-). I will replace xp on a 15gb partition. My data is safely stored on another 85gb partition, and I have an external drive where I can put those data when I convert to ext2/ext3. had two reasons for visiting you guys now. 1. I wonder if I should use ext2 or ext3. 2. I needed to gather some courage...
[10:45] <h3sp4wn> ex3
[10:45] <h3sp4wn> ext3
[10:46] <ayabara> ok. journaling is a good thing then :-)
[10:46] <h3sp4wn> yes
[10:46] <iNiku> hmm. anyone gotten mozplugger to successfully swallow acroread?
[10:46] <h3sp4wn> Its insignificant the performance hit that you take because of journaling
[10:47] <kalle> were can i find information aboute installing networkprinter in ubuntu??
[10:48] <ayabara> ok. don't know too much about it, but I will take your word :-)
[10:49] <h3sp4wn> ayabara: It saves you having to do fsck most of the time
[10:49] <james_xx> man, everything is about bios upgrades... lol
[10:49] <h3sp4wn> james_xx: What make of bios do you have ?
[10:49] <h3sp4wn> james_xx: award / ami / phoenix or something else
[10:50] <james_xx> it says BIOS version A01
[10:50] <h3sp4wn> Ask whoever made the computer sounds like a branded pc
[10:50] <ayabara> btw, is it a problem to have both gnome and kde desktops installed at the same time (I think I mean kubuntu and ubuntu), so I can switch if I want to try ubuntu too?
[10:51] <h3sp4wn> No
[10:51] <Bazzi> ayabara: it will bloat your system
[10:51] <linuxmonkey> h3sp4wn: i heard that async isnt safe to use with nfs but the speeds are incredible when its turned on
[10:51] <Bazzi> other than that, no
[10:51] <ayabara> Bazzi: I was afraid of that...
[10:51] <Bazzi> well once you have decided what you like most, stick with it
[10:51] <h3sp4wn> linuxmonkey: its because it only completes the writes when it can bothered
[10:52] <ayabara> installed ubuntu a couple of times, but the first thing I did was to dl a lot of kde apps I use at work and like (konsole, krusader, konqueror). figured I should try kubuntu this time
[10:52] <linuxmonkey> h3sp4wn:  so whats it means if the server went down that file would be corrupt?
[10:52] <ayabara> hmm. just realize I'm pretty much sitting here talking about myself...
[10:53] <h3sp4wn> linuxmonkey: The file would quite easily get corrupt anyway
[10:53] <h3sp4wn> linuxmonkey: nfs uses udp by default
[10:53] <h3sp4wn> linuxmonkey: using tcp may make it more reliable
[10:53] <james_xx> h3sp4wn, this computer is a dell dimension, i just bought it 6 weeks ago
[10:53] <linuxmonkey> is there something else I can use to mount a folder on the server to this pc
[10:54] <tominglis> hi is this the right place to come to ask for help for kubuntu 6.06?
[10:54] <h3sp4wn> james_xx: That ge-force is probably a worse card thatn what is already onboard
[10:55] <james_xx> h3sp4wn, lol i bought it becasue i was told to by people in here
[10:55] <h3sp4wn> james_xx: What card is onboard ?
[10:55] <james_xx> h3sp4wn, intel extreme graphics 11
[10:55] <linuxmonkey> h3sp4wn: should I maybe use ftp for the upload and just use the nfs for read only (stream audio from it)
[10:56] <james_xx> h3sp4wn, with linux there is always something wrong with any hardware
[10:56] <h3sp4wn> james_xx: Silicon Graphics sell linux stuff which works pretty well (But it is vastly overpriced)
[10:57] <h3sp4wn> james_xx: Does the board not have a pci express graphics slot ?
[10:57] <james_xx> h3sp4wn, hardware configuration with linux will probably always suck and be limited, but i still like linux
[10:58] <james_xx> h3sp4wn, no, it does not
[10:58] <h3sp4wn> james_xx: I don't think linux hardware configuration is at all bad these days
[10:58] <james_xx> h3sp4wn, it has improved, but it isn't great
[10:59] <h3sp4wn> james_xx: ubuntu did everything right you can't blame ubuntu for easyubuntu breaking it
[11:00] <james_xx> h3sp4wn, easyubuntu is not what was messing with the graphics card on this machine, that was my laptop
[11:00] <h3sp4wn> james_xx: I am talking about your general experience with linux hardware detection
[11:00] <james_xx> h3sp4wn, with only pci slots on this board, i am limited in what video card i can install
[11:01] <h3sp4wn> james_xx: Those intel cards have opensource drivers
[11:01] <h3sp4wn> james_xx: written by intel
[11:01] <james_xx> h3sp4wn, that could be, but any question i have asked in here, the response generally is about hardware not being well supported, my intel extreme graphics 11 being a point in case
[11:02] <james_xx> h3sp4wn, i agree.... people have insisted in here that the inetl card is the problem, and i know that isn't true
[11:02] <james_xx> intel*
[11:02] <h3sp4wn> It may not be configured properly but I would expect support for it to improve soon
[11:02] <james_xx> h3sp4wn, what is your opinion, should i take the nvidia card back out?
[11:03] <h3sp4wn> I wouldn't like to be running a pci video card at all really - I would expect the intel extreme graphics to perform better
[11:04] <h3sp4wn> (thats what the new macbooks have)
[11:04] <nipra> Hi there is a something weird with installer http://nipra.be/bug_or_what/
[11:04] <james_xx> h3sp4wn, so far mepis has worked well with this card, and maybe staying with mepis is the answer. i bought this card hoping it would allow me to switch back to kubuntu
[11:04] <h3sp4wn> james_xx: Do you have accelerated 3d in mepis ?
[11:05] <james_xx> h3sp4wn, yes
[11:05] <h3sp4wn> james_xx: You could copy xorg.conf from mepis and try running that on kubuntu
[11:05] <james_xx> hmmm
[11:06] <h3sp4wn> james_xx: So the kubuntu live cd definately doesn't have accelerated 3d ?
[11:06] <james_xx> h3sp4wn, i think i just needed to learn a lot more about linux before i ever started messing with it
[11:06] <james_xx> h3sp4wn, no no no
[11:07] <james_xx> h3sp4wn, the 3D graphics DO work with kubuntu ... at first
[11:07] <h3sp4wn> I can't see how it can be changed
[11:07] <h3sp4wn> File a bug about it if it happens again
[11:08] <james_xx> h3sp4wn, but after i configure everything the first few days , the 3D graphics quit working... no matter what most people in this room have said, there is a software conflict somewhere
[11:08] <james_xx> h3sp4wn, the thing is , it happened on my desktop with an intel card, and it happened on my laptop with an ATI card
[11:09] <h3sp4wn> james_xx: The laptop is entirely down to easyubuntu
[11:09] <james_xx> h3sp4wn, and i have spoken with others in here who have had these issues
[11:09] <james_xx> h3sp4wn, i think that is true.....
[11:10] <h3sp4wn> james_xx: Ask dell how to get it so you can use the nvidia card if you want to use it
[11:10] <james_xx> h3sp4wn, but i am not sure that is the case with my desktop... what is worse is that it leads to a reinstall because the damage cannot be undone (by me at least)
[11:11] <james_xx> h3sp4wn, i guess i will, although you are suggesting that changing the card is somewhat pointless
[11:12] <h3sp4wn> The card is very old
[11:12] <h3sp4wn> (with it being pci)
[11:12] <james_xx> h3sp4wn, i bought this desktop SOLELY for the purpose of learning about linux, so it is no loss... i just want to figure this stuff out lol
[11:13] <travis|linux> anyone know how to install xchat in kubuntu ?
[11:13] <h3sp4wn> james_xx: Nothing is pointless if you learn stuff from it
[11:13] <james_xx> h3sp4wn, i figured that this card was old, and maybe it is, but there were 2 cards being sold at the local walmart , and they were both PCI..... and, even though this desktop is brand new , PCI is the only option. there are no AGP or PCI-E cards
[11:14] <james_xx> h3sp4wn, no, and this is definitely a learning experience :-D
[11:14] <h3sp4wn> james_xx: You could try just keeping it in and running two screens
[11:14] <james_xx> hmmm
[11:15] <james_xx> that could be neat
[11:15] <h3sp4wn> It is complicated though there are no automatic tools that would do that for you I don't think
[11:15] <chavo> travis|linux, sudo apt-get install xchat
[11:16] <travis|linux> chavo: E: Couldn't find package xchat  -- the error I get
[11:17] <crimsun_> travis|linux: xchat is in universe.
[11:17] <chavo> !repos
[11:17] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource.
[11:17] <travis|linux> ahhh.. thank you
[11:18] <chavo> travis|linux, you have to enable the universe repo
[11:18] <travis|linux> see that now :)
[11:18] <travis|linux> thanks
[11:18] <chavo> travis|linux, xchat-gnome is now the default
[11:18] <travis|linux> I want the regular xchat
[11:18] <Lunar_Raven> o.o question: where is the settings for popup blocking in konqeuror
[11:18] <chavo> travis|linux, you running kde?
[11:19] <Armagguedes> en taru adun
[11:20] <Armagguedes> how can i tell if a problem i have is kubuntu or kde related?
[11:27] <travis|linux> chavo: yes.. running kde
[11:27] <travis|linux> chavo: I just got xchat installed
[11:28] <travis|linux> I was have been using mandriva for about 2 yrs
[11:28] <travis|linux> this is the first distro I have tried other than mandriva
[11:28] <chavo> travis|linux, I was just wondering if you had tried konversation
[11:28] <kronoz> is nvidia-glx available for 64bit?
[11:28] <kronoz> and64
[11:28] <kronoz> *amd64
[11:29] <travis|linux> chavo: yea.. I'm using that now.. its alright
[11:29] <apokryphos> kronoz: of course, yes.
[11:30] <slow-motion> n8
[11:30] <kronoz> where..
[11:31] <apokryphos> kronoz: what? In the same place of course
[11:34] <kronoz> !paste
[11:34] <ubotu> Please do not flood the channel http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/ for pasting long texts it does not disrupt the channel. [webboard for Ubuntu: http://www.gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=1269 : not an offical package] .
[11:36] <kronoz> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15490
[11:38] <apokryphos> kronoz: you don't have restricted enabled
[11:39] <apokryphos> !sources.list
[11:39] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource.
[11:39] <Armagguedes> does anyone here have a problem with the keyboard? for some reason (and i don't know what's causing this, ie, cant really replicate it) after a while of uptime my keyboard ceases to respond. i have to reboot via mouse>k menu>logout>reboot
[11:40] <Blissex> Armagguedes: unplug it and plug it in. Plenty of keyboards are buggy and need to be reset sometimes.
[11:40] <Armagguedes> Blissex laptop
[11:40] <Armagguedes> the plug is welded =)
[11:40] <Blissex> Armagguedes: bad news :-).
[11:41] <Armagguedes> when this happens, openoffice writer is open, but then again, it is open most of the time
[11:41] <Blissex> Armagguedes: however thanks a lot for the copious context provided... Our telepathic advisors unfortunately are all busy on other lines, wait until they call you back.
[11:42] <halibut> I had a folder full of pdf files with previews, but a few pdf files didn't have previews because they were over 5MB, so I went to configure konq -> Previews and meta data -> Maximum filesize for preview,  and increased it to 10MB,  now all of my previews have gone :(
[11:42] <Blissex> Armagguedes: as there can be dozens of potential causes, like you running some odd driver (e.g. NVIDIA/ATI), program bugs, bugs in the laptop chipset, etc.
[11:43] <Blissex> Armagguedes: check the 'dmesg' or kernel log for kernel problems...
[11:44] <kronoz> !nvidia
[11:44] <ubotu> it has been said that nvidia is Help about installing the nVidia drivers on Ubuntu can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[11:44] <kronoz> thanks apokryphos
[11:48] <Slappy> !ati
[11:48] <ubotu> [ati]  http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/hardware.html#installatidriver or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI ... the radeon 9200 and below are supported by the open-source drivers
[11:52] <sdolnack> anyone run wine?
[11:53] <sdolnack> i'm wondering if it's better to install the latest version, or to build a CVS myself
[11:54] <transgaming> hi
[11:56] <sdolnack> hi
[11:56] <transgaming> may anyone tell me why i can't install any deb file in my ubuntu system, always something is missing
[11:57] <sdolnack> what are you trying to install
[11:57] <transgaming> i'll try to install xmms
[11:57] <transgaming> try to install kppp
[11:57] <Armagguedes> damna
[11:57] <Armagguedes> is this correct: sudo chmod 757 /opt/
[11:57] <sdolnack> what happens when you try to install it
[11:57] <transgaming> but always it's need some other file
[11:58] <sdolnack> how are you installing
[11:58] <sdolnack> through adept/synaptic, or command line?
[11:58] <transgaming> double click on the file
[11:59] <sdolnack> ahh
[11:59] <transgaming> :O
[11:59] <sdolnack> to install things in Linux, you generally downlaod the program from a repository
[11:59] <claydoh> transgaming: use adept to search and install xmms, it will installl all the missing bits
[11:59] <sdolnack> via a packet manager (Adept for Kubuntu and Synaptic for Ubuntu)
[12:00] <sdolnack> yeah--what claydoh said
[12:00] <claydoh> heh
[12:00] <sdolnack> claydoh-ever used a wine alpha build?
[12:00] <kronoz> !flash
[12:00] <ubotu> Installation & troubleshooting for Flash is covered in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[12:00] <claydoh> not in a while
[12:00] <claydoh> I do toy with whatever is the current release atm
[12:01] <sdolnack> i'm wond'ring whether wine'll work better if i use the current stable release or the dev releas
[12:01] <transgaming> and i can't run alien
[12:01] <sdolnack> what's alien?
[12:01] <transgaming> i mean to program alien
[12:01] <transgaming> :)
[12:01] <claydoh> aliien converts rpm to deb
[12:01] <transgaming> yes
[12:01] <sdolnack> we have a program like that??
[12:01] <transgaming> what program?
[12:02] <sdolnack> how's it work
[12:02] <sdolnack> alien
[12:02] <claydoh> ya, but it is hit or miss on if it works
[12:02] <sdolnack> ahh nv
[12:02] <sdolnack> m
[12:03] <claydoh> sdolnack: well as the latest version of wine was out this past week, any cvs version will be pretty close to that for a bit