[01:31] <jak08> why is it that this room is always silent?
[06:01] <poningru> :)
[06:02] <klepas> moin
[06:02] <klepas> troy_s: ping
[06:40] <Burgundavia> anybody here with a wacom tablet?
[06:42] <klepas> oh i wish :)
[06:44] <Burgundavia> the basics are only about $100
[06:45] <klepas> i've been thinking about getting one now that i've got my laptop
[09:46] <dum8d0g> hi people
[09:46] <dum8d0g> (sorry for my english, I'm from czech)
[09:47] <dum8d0g> I'm searching for ubuntu fonts (truetype) and some materials
[09:47] <dum8d0g> colors, vectors, photos and more..
[09:48] <dum8d0g> I just want make better our page ubuntu.cz to be less different with ubuntu.com
[09:48] <dum8d0g> (yes I know, my english is really bad ;))
[09:53] <dum8d0g> ok, i have..
[09:54] <dum8d0g> :)
[09:54] <dum8d0g> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Official
[10:17] <troy_s> greetz boyz and grrls.
[11:10] <troy_s> klepas you in?
[04:04] <klepas> troy_s: in now
[04:29] <troy_s> hey bersace...
[04:29] <troy_s> added some comments to your wiki structure at your personal page there...
[04:32] <bersace> troy_s: thanks
[04:37] <bersace> We need to create a CategoryArtwork too.
[04:40] <troy_s> ???
[04:41] <troy_s> i think you need to start a bulleted listing so we can 'see' how it will look when finished
[04:41] <troy_s> great work though bersace... the simplicity is going to help completely.
[04:41] <bersace> ok
[04:41] <bersace> done
[04:41] <troy_s> weekend meeting suggestion is great too... but the problem is that
[04:41] <troy_s> i am off to paris.
[04:41] <troy_s> hope to see you there :)
[04:41] <bersace> hh !
[04:42] <troy_s> irc is a very bunk meeting technique in my opinion
[04:42] <bersace> i'm thinking about reusing ArtworkTeam logo in our PageTemplate
[04:42] <bersace> troy_s: meetings must be short
[04:42] <bersace> one hour, no more
[04:42] <troy_s> ber:  yes and targetted.  but i still have yet to see what folks are going to arrive at that we _cant_ in the mailing list
[04:43] <bersace> so IRC is a good way to dump a bunch of ideas and triage that later
[04:43] <troy_s> which is why i am sort of non-commital on the wiki organization for meetings and such.
[04:43] <troy_s> absolutely!
[04:43] <troy_s> braindump for certain
[04:43] <troy_s> i would say irc is wonderful
[04:43] <bersace> yep
[04:43] <troy_s> but we aren't at that stage yet
[04:43] <troy_s> when we get down to deciding motifs and such
[04:43] <troy_s> irc will be very important
[04:43] <troy_s> but really, we can poll and keep a flowing discourse on the mailing list
[04:43] <bersace> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/%c3%89tienneBersac/ArtworkReOrganisation
[04:58] <bersace> Created https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CategoryArtwork
[04:58] <bersace> Added a nice icon in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtworkTeam/PageTemplate
[05:13] <bersace> Updated https://wiki.ubuntu.com/%c3%89tienneBersac/ArtworkReOrganisation#head-73e7195ec66fefd074881d59f190f1971118c27c
[05:23] <troy_s> uncomfortable with being labeled as leader there bersace :)
[05:23] <troy_s> so pull me out of that until we have official proceedings and such.
[05:43] <troy_s> bersace:  new adjustments.
[06:16] <bersace> troy_s: As you edit the Tree, it feels like you want to create Incoming sub pages
[06:16] <bersace> i mean subnamespace
[06:17] <bersace> such as Incoming/Documentation and Incoming/LooseIdeas
[06:17] <bersace> isn't it ?
[06:21] <bersace> Are Structure Documents Team Guidelines ?
[06:21] <bersace> How could we handle current developpement
[06:21] <bersace> ?
[06:21] <bersace> not in the wiki ?
[06:22] <bersace> we need wiki for polls, launchpad only allow to vote, not to show each choices in details as we need .
[06:56] <bersace> maybe should we just put poll's item's page in Incoming ....
[07:58] <troy_s> polls seem like we should stick with launchpad for
[07:58] <troy_s> wiki is really an evolutionary process
[07:59] <troy_s> it is a great starting point (instead of telling people go xxx or yyy, just point them to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork or wherever)
[08:13] <bersace> hmmm
[08:14] <bersace> i don't suggest to use wiki to vote, just to have page that explains in details item. On page per item.
[08:14] <troy_s> yep
[08:14] <bersace> of course, wallpaper vote just use link to art.ubuntu.com as we did earlier
[08:14] <troy_s> well launchpad requires that you provide a wiki page for further details.
[08:15] <bersace> so we have to put some pages for e.g. Frozen etc.
[08:15] <bersace> ok
[08:15] <bersace> so where should we put those pages ?
[08:15] <bersace> Incoming ?
[08:15] <bersace> Evaluations ?
[08:15] <troy_s> art.ubuntu.com... thanks for reminding me... i'll email henrik now to see if we can factor in some sort of cvs use.
[08:15] <bersace> AnyThingElse ?
[08:15] <troy_s> well...
[08:15] <troy_s> let's for now leave the basic structure plus a little more refinement
[08:15] <troy_s> i think you have given it a good simple starting point
[08:15] <bersace> ok
[08:15] <troy_s> and hopefully things can 'fit in' below it as we need them.
[08:16] <bersace> so we can start applying changes ?
[08:16] <troy_s> right now, i think we need to resolve the whole team section.
[08:16] <bersace> ok
[08:16] <troy_s> i would still give it a little more time
[08:16] <troy_s> for the folks who are going to contribute to contribute.
[08:16] <troy_s> lol
[08:16] <troy_s> we need to be as transparent and democratic as possible within the team
[08:16] <troy_s> or else people will get disillusioned.
[08:17] <troy_s> we also need to WORK, so it is a delicate balance between the two :)
[08:17] <troy_s> if we all keep doing what we have been doing, we can expect the same results.
[08:17] <troy_s> so that obviously doesn't work.  that said, i think we are making good process.
[08:17] <troy_s> frank's document needs to be wikiized
[08:17] <troy_s> i wonder if there is an easy way to cut and paste... i guess a little wiki formatting would be easy enough.
[08:48] <bersace> troy_s: which document from Frank ?
[08:51] <troy_s> check the mailing list
[08:51] <troy_s> he has a link to a pdf.
[08:52] <bersace> grabed
[08:55] <bersace> Frank is so a rocking guys !!!
[08:55] <bersace> :)
[08:56] <troy_s> clever guy
[08:56] <troy_s> and he believes in working on leaving paper trails
[08:56] <troy_s> which is important in community efforts
[08:56] <troy_s> otherwise they just dissappear into the vapor of mailing lists and such
[08:57] <troy_s> even compiling wiki pages and gathering data is critical work.
[08:59] <bersace> agree
[08:59] <bersace> May should we have a Documents namespace rather than a Documentation, that include such highly important documents
[08:59] <bersace> ?
[09:00] <bersace> and including documentations ?
[09:02] <troy_s> documentation is broad enough i think.
[09:02] <troy_s> remember, we really need to let the complexity flow from the simplicity at the top.
[09:02] <troy_s> otherwise we end up square one again... scattered stuffs everywhere.
[09:03] <bersace> ok
[09:03] <bersace> That was just a naming question
[09:04] <bersace> i wonder if Documentation is only for Technical documentation or also for such documents
[09:04] <troy_s> Seems to suggest everything in document compiled form?
[09:04] <troy_s> That is a good thing I think.  Pretty broad, and you can clarify with subdirs.
[09:05] <bersace> ok
[09:18] <bersace> read
[09:18] <bersace> That document is so good
[09:18] <bersace> i completely agree
[09:19] <bersace> troy_s: do you want do wikize it or at least the little itemized summaries ?
[09:19] <bersace> I think that Frank should do it in its wiki home page
[09:22] <troy_s> yep.
[09:22] <troy_s> agree.
[09:30] <troy_s> if you mail frank, i am sure he will give you the doc or wahtever he generated it from.
[09:32] <bersace> sorry
[09:32] <bersace> i restarted my session to test tapioca
[09:43] <troy_s> wtf is tapioca?  a pudding?
[09:47] <bersace> lol
[09:47] <bersace> http://tapioca-voip.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/ScreenShots
[09:47] <troy_s> ahh
[09:57] <bersace> didn't work :(