=== mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-doc === theCore [n=alex@modemcable240.218-70-69.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Plug__ [n=crb@itpartners.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === myriams [n=myriam@156-233.cable.senselan.ch] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Plug [n=crb@itpartners.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === sfllaw [i=sfllaw@debian/developer/coleSLAW] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Plug_ [n=crb@203-167-190-117.dsl.clear.net.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc [12:43] Plug_: are you the chap who posted the mailing list recently? === mdke is ashamed that there was no reply, and goes to do so immediately [12:45] mdke, on my todo list, but I have been at work all day [12:45] Burgwork: no prob, I'm going to reply now, work is but a distant memory === Plug__ [n=crb@203-167-190-117.dsl.clear.net.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === nixternal`v2 [n=nixterna@71.194.189.213] has joined #ubuntu-doc [12:54] Burgwork: by the way, your idea yesterday for automatic talk pages: it might be possible to do it with the PageComment2 macro. It is basically a comment box which the reader can enter a comment into, and we might be able to make it use a talk page by default [12:55] oh, cool [12:56] it basically creates a forum effect [12:57] mdke, that works === Plug [n=crb@203-167-190-117.dsl.clear.net.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc [01:11] what do people think of giving up with the /forum section on the wiki, it's not really working. WikiTeam/Issues seems to propose getting rid of it. We can work productively with forum contributors without it, I think === Plug_ [n=crb@203-167-190-117.dsl.clear.net.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc [01:17] mdke, I like it [01:17] the idea, not the /forum section === mdke nods [01:18] I'm making a DocumentationTemplate too === mdke is getting excited about the wiki again === mpt [n=mpt@ool-44c0bc13.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [01:23] there are some cool macros we can use [01:26] mdke: at least somebody's excited ;-) [01:26] LaserJock: you need a holiday [01:26] no, he needs more work =] [01:26] LaserJock: I've heard Paris is nice this time of year [01:27] mdke: dude, I have to write specs, no play time for me [01:27] btw, I added a doc spec today [01:27] that will get you excited, no? [01:28] what spec? [01:28] https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/scripting-for-users-doc [01:28] but I haven't written the wiki part yet [01:29] heck, I've got half written forum posts, specs in progress, most of a package [01:30] and I'm trying to discuss work with my undergrad [01:30] Paris is starting to sound nice :-) [01:30] ffs, ctrl click doesn't work properly in launchpad [01:30] mdke, does for me [01:31] Burgwork: go to the list of specs, and ctrl click one which is down the page [01:31] Burgwork: it is impossible to click the right one because the page jumps around while you click [01:31] works for me [01:32] oh how I wish I was going to Paris [01:32] why? [01:32] because it will be cool [01:32] Burgwork: ah, it only happens when I have the Find box open [01:33] ah, ancient version of epiphany here [01:33] so no find bar [01:34] (and I am clicking on something which is highlighted as the result of a search) [01:34] yeah, I noticed the find + click was weird [01:35] maybe it's an epiphany bug [01:35] Burgwork: yeah, I should be cool. I'm starting to get nervous. 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Sorry, I was removing the aptitude instructions. I have reworked to do both of our changes (different packages and removal of specific installation method) [05:53] anybody know who Warbo is? === tuxmaniac [n=aanjhan@59.92.62.63] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:13] have no clue Burgundavia [06:13] nixternal: whomever he is, he likes to write a great deal [06:14] however: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OrinocoMonitorKismet2005Hoary has been completed...and I think it needs a name change and have that hoary one redirect [06:14] where is he writing? [06:14] is it good? [06:14] just too wordy [06:14] ahhh [06:15] hey [06:15] proposed name change for that: OrinocoWiFiKismet [06:15] what about under WifiDocs? [06:15] it can go there [06:15] /OrinocoKismet [06:15] WifiDocs/OrinocoKismet [06:15] good deal [06:15] done... [06:15] redirect the old page i shall [06:15] can anybody confirm that https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MappingWindowsKey no longer seems to work? [06:16] this needs a better solution: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackageCDs [06:19] i will look into that..because i want to remap mine...as of right now it doesn't do anything [06:20] thanks [06:21] I am getting wierd results === cosmolax [n=Cosmolax@219-68-130-25.adsl.dynamic.giga.net.tw] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:23] nixternal: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/control-center/+bug/12153 [06:23] Malone bug 12153 in control-center "Cannot use Windows key in keyboard shortcuts" [Unknown,Unconfirmed] [06:24] roger that [06:24] now lets watch the artwork team try and organize a meeting! [06:25] haha [06:25] who needs soap operas when you have the artwork team? [06:25] Burgundavia: i just contacted cvd about it :) [06:25] Burgundavia: lollers [06:25] a meeting should be happening within the next week or so [06:26] Burgundavia: that bug starts out with the fact the guy just upgraded TO Hoary...how can i confirm that one? breezy is the oldest here [06:26] actually... you folks are invited too [06:26] cvd? will the sabdfl attend that? [06:26] yes [06:26] nixternal: I just tested breezy [06:26] ah that's why [06:26] he's going to 'chair' it [06:26] i can test dapper/kubuntu [06:26] make sure things stay on track :) [06:27] too bad cvd isnt going to paris...heard she's 7 months on the way [06:27] anyhow... you guys are quite welcome... would be nice to talk to some marvelous people from a working, organised team :) [06:27] jsgotangco: you serious? [06:28] jsgotangco: that is going to make Mark's life fun [06:28] Burgundavia: yes she told me about it a few weeks ago in a phone conversation [06:28] jsgotangco: you get to have phone conversations with them? [06:28] that's why clan is the one organising stuff at the moment [06:29] clan? [06:29] well not that frequent, only when there is a need [06:29] claire newman [06:29] ah, the other claire [06:32] is hard at Userful right now. There is a major rethink of how we do things and the victoria office just lost somebody [06:32] hmm, I think I might have picked up another error in the packaging guide.. === Burgundavia considers asking Canonical to hire him [06:32] If a Debian package has been changed in Ubuntu, it has ubuntuX (where X is the Ubuntu revision number) appended to the end of the Debian version. So if the Debian hello package was changed by Ubuntu, the version string would be 2.1.1-1ubuntu1. If a package for the application does not exist in Debian, then the Ubuntu version is 0 (e.g., 2.1.1-0ubuntu1). [06:32] send a resume it might work [06:33] jsgotangco: ya. I will play at one this weekend [06:33] shouldn't the 1 and 0 be the other way around on that last revision example? [06:33] rob: no [06:33] because if there is no debian version, we want debian -1 to overwrite any Ubuntu numbers [06:34] ok, that doesn't read very well then [06:34] no, it doesn't [06:35] oohh germany won [06:35] jsgotangco, yeah [06:35] nixternal: if you want my eternal love, can you go around and move all the docs about wireless to under wifi docs [06:35] and poland lost [06:35] sure can === jsgotangco is waiting for group F === dsas [n=dean@host86-129-9-65.range86-129.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:35] nixternal: make certain to check for redirects [06:36] nixternal: PageHits is good place to see if something is popular or not [06:36] Burgundavia: that window key map i don't believe will work with kde cuz the .xstartup is ignored [06:36] ok Burgundavia thax [06:36] thanks [06:36] ;) === jsgotangco will have to stop nibbling sunflower seeds in front of his laptop [06:39] well, I have killed 3 pages from CatCleanup tonight. How many have you done? [06:40] klepas: surely you are aware that June 17-18 are the days people start coming over to paris with 18 in the evening having dinner [06:41] oh, that does suck [06:41] do you think Thursday/Friday then might be more applicable? [06:42] Laser_away: deal with https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackageBuilding [06:42] yeah i think thats workable [06:43] Burgundavia: we have a wacom tablet at work, how it connects (serial/usb) not sure but i will check when i come back to office [06:44] jsgotangco: ok, thanks [06:44] jsgotangco: I posted something to artwork [06:44] kill? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NvidiaManual [06:44] would be interesting to see how it works im gimp and krita [06:45] has anyone had any luck with a lower-end wacom using Ubuntu and gimp? [06:46] i havent even tried it but i will next week [06:54] suggestions for a snack? I have a bad case of the munchies [06:56] Burgundavia: is it ok to delete pages? how should I deal with stuff that should more or less go away [06:57] with packaging stuff, I don't think we need anythin in CatDoc really [06:57] Laser_away: if it has no links, then yes, go ahead [06:58] WikiGuide lists the rules [06:59] I hate wiping out other peoples work, but that page for instance has nothing of value on it [07:00] meh, I have no issue [07:00] oh crud i am still in my locale === jsgotangco mind was wandering away when he was doing code samples [07:02] Burgundavia: do you google the URL to find links? [07:02] LaserJock: yep, the whole url [07:02] then click teh 2nd link "find pages with this link" [07:03] ah, ok [07:03] thanks [07:03] speaking of google, have anyone tried spreadsheets [07:05] nope [07:06] Burgundavia: done [07:10] Burgundavia: do we really need a Howto (not very well done) for building KDE from CVS for 5.04? [07:10] that was imported from the old wiki :-) [07:11] no, not really [07:16] done [07:19] how big is a single layer dvd again? [07:21] 4.3 GB perhaps? [07:21] HowToBuildDebianPackagesFromScratch is going to be a bugger I think [07:23] It's from Hoary and I've pretty much covered the content in the packaging guide === Madpilot [n=brian@ubuntu/member/madpilot] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:26] Burgundavia: could I take CatDoc off a page that I plan on using for the PG and then deleting later? [07:26] LaserJock: yes [07:26] hey Madpilot [07:27] hi [07:27] hi Madpilot [07:27] gah... long f'ing day - 9-1 at job #1, 4-8 @ job #2... [07:28] yeah, that is long [07:30] <-- IDIOT [07:30] nixternal, ?? [07:31] lol...instead of just renaming a page to move it...i have been doing it the long way [07:31] copy, paste into a new page and so on [07:31] so what could have been a 10 minute job has been about an hour [07:31] ;) [07:31] nixternal, the 'long way' is better in some cases, it leaves the old page behind to set a re-direct up on [07:31] well ya...oh wait...that is what we wanted to do [07:32] so im not an idiot ;) [07:32] im still an idiot for thinking like an idiot [07:32] back to work ;) === lancetw [n=chatzill@203-204-189-160.adsl.static.giga.net.tw] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:37] gee its so hot here lately [07:37] lucky you [07:37] its 33C! [07:37] the weather sucked here most of the day, it only started to clear & warm up around 5 or 6pm [07:37] better in oak bay [07:37] it was sunny at abot 3pm [07:57] TeamWiFi ?? [07:58] lol [07:58] sounds like a serious wireless gang ;) [07:59] we've got a WiFi Team? [07:59] not that i know of...but since you put it like that...is there even a network team ? [07:59] ;) [07:59] lets break down every possible thing with ubuntu [08:00] i will create a Kwallet team [08:00] what's the focus on that? [08:00] "people who use KWallet" [08:01] ? [08:01] your guess is as good as mine...but why not create it..seems like the "cool" thing to do :) [08:01] =) [08:01] this wiki will drink you to drive [08:01] or drink you to fly in some people's cases ;) [08:17] hmm, CatCleanup is really coming down [08:17] slowly but surely [08:22] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam/AcerAspire5003WLCiWifi [08:23] ^^ transfer also? [08:24] leave the LaptopTesting stuff where it is [08:25] then everything with the WifiDocs transfer is over [08:25] all WiFi stuff is now located under WifiDocs/ === lancetw [n=chatzill@203-204-189-160.adsl.static.giga.net.tw] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:10] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GnomeComputerMenu kill ? [09:14] dsas: pop the trunk! [09:15] lol [09:16] night [09:17] heh http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pop+the+trunk [09:20] ohh yeaahhh [09:21] haha [09:21] gahahah [09:22] dsas: stay away from 2 and 3 ;) [09:22] 2 and 3 were the definitions I were familiar with :/ [09:25] hahahah [09:30] Do I need to get an ack on every CatCleanup page I delete? Or should I just bin them if it's obvious? === dsas deletes GnomeComputerMenu === glatzor [n=sebi@ppp-62-245-208-121.mnet-online.de] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:39] Burgwork, but keep in mind that apt-get build dep should not be changed. 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[05:58] (changing channel) [05:59] you seemed to be annoyed by some of my bug reports that only referred to minor issues. [06:00] glatzor: did I? [06:00] I don't think so [06:02] mdke: then it's all ok :) [06:03] mdke: I didn't know how helpful reports about minor issues are for you, since the documentation is frozen [06:03] glatzor: once we've organised our ideas for dapper, we'll go through them. [06:05] mdke: I have translated and so reviewed further 200 strings and 250 still are missing. But I don't know if I find the time in the next weeks to fill the corresponding bugs. [06:06] glatzor: no worries. You can file them whenever you like in the next 6 months or so. Or you can grab our trunk later and submits some patches to fix any more problems you see [06:06] mdke: I don't know if I have got the additional time to even provide patches. [06:07] glatzor: ok, no worries [06:07] mdke: do you know how the translation of the ubuntu guides could be reused for the kubuntu guides? [06:08] glatzor: rosetta shows you suggestions for strings that are already translated elsewhere [06:08] it is quite discouraging to see a lot of common strings that only differ by the package name and Ubuntu/Kubuntu [06:08] I don't use Rosetta, instead I translate them locally using gtranslator. [06:09] you could use Rosetta, if you like. Or just upload a po for the Ubuntu guide to Kubuntu, it will merge strings that are the same [06:16] mdke: I will write an email to the translators list. perhaps somebody found a nice solution. === nixternal`v2 [n=nixterna@71.194.189.213] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:20] hey guys [06:21] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue2 is ready for a quick review if anyone has time [06:21] gotta run out for a few min, be back in a hour or so [06:21] (thanks in advance) [06:25] trappist: ^^^ === glatzor [n=sebi@ppp-82-135-3-102.mnet-online.de] has joined #ubuntu-doc === tuxmaniac [n=aanjhan@59.92.63.163] has joined #ubuntu-doc === aanjhan_ [n=aanjhan@59.92.54.180] has joined #ubuntu-doc === pygi [n=pygi@83-131-244-202.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-doc === tuxmaniac [n=aanjhan@59.92.54.180] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jjesse [i=user@69-87-140-64.async.iserv.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === lloydinho [n=andreas@rosinante.egmont-kol.dk] has joined #ubuntu-doc === bojicas [n=bojicas@217.164.236.130] has joined #ubuntu-doc === lastnode [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === linuxmonkey [n=linuxmon@unaffiliated/LinuxMonkey] has joined #ubuntu-doc === pygi [n=pygi@83-131-251-21.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-doc === joachim-n [n=joachim@ACC85313.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:00] can I get a wiki expert's opinion of wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuScienctists ? === pygi [n=pygi@83-131-230-2.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:03] LaserJock: Although I am by no means a wiki expert I think it is an excellent overview [10:04] mdke or Burgwork: should ^^ be in CatDoc? [10:04] n1c0las: is it too long for one page do you think? [10:05] With Image Processing Tools you might include ImageMagick (sp?) [10:06] LaserJock:The navigation aid on the top right hand helps a lot in this large page [10:07] yeah, I think I'd be totally lost with out the table of contents === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:07] Corey! [10:08] I don knwo if you did this on purpose but I also miss the tools to create tutorials or courses such as Moodle [10:08] hmm [10:09] I think it more targeted towards research but that is a good point [10:09] In a scientific environment there is much need for this type of courseware [10:09] LaserJock: you're welcome [10:09] I can see what your point is too, for this page [10:10] if we were to break it up into sub pages [10:12] Maybe you could break it up and use Categories to pull it all together [10:13] hey LaserJock [10:14] I was just looking for you Burgundavia [10:14] LaserJock: and you have found me [10:14] I'm looking at wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuScientists [10:14] and I wondered if it should be in CatDoc [10:14] and now I am too [10:17] LaserJock: the british linux magazine LinuxFormat has a review of several Astronomy packages on Linux. It is in the March 2006 issue. === _sara [n=sara@pool-70-106-91-212.pskn.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:18] hmm === _sara [n=sara@pool-70-106-91-212.pskn.east.verizon.net] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Konversation] [10:18] LaserJock: it should be renamed to ScientificApps and renamed, yes [10:23] Burgundavia: added to CatDoc? [10:23] LaserJock: yep [10:24] do you think it is too long? [10:26] not really [10:28] ok [10:28] I haven't really worked on it much [10:28] but there was a bunch of work done on it yestreday [10:29] I'm really pretty impressed with it === lilian [n=lilian@d80-170-115-38.cust.tele2.fr] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:35] LaserJock: it looks quite extensive === myriams_away is back. === apokryphos [n=apokryph@host-87-74-49-101.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:48] http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/licensing -> "The Ubuntu team is committed to Free and Open Source Software. The exact details of what that means can lead people into a very long debate indeed, often ending up with both sides in violent agreement." [10:48] hi apokryphos ;-) [10:48] typo? Violent disagreement? [10:48] hello =) [10:48] lol [10:49] I think that might be a typo [10:51] no, I don't think it is === lilian [n=lilian@d80-170-115-38.cust.tele2.fr] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Ex-Chat"] [10:52] hardly a common expression, but furthermore doesn't seem quite right from the context [10:52] yes it does [10:52] "you can have very long debates that end you up very firmly agreeing" [10:53] no, that is wrong [10:53] long debates often lead to disagreement [10:53] exactly [10:53] the current wording is good English [10:53] and conveys the meaning [10:54] I never argued the inaccuracy of the English [10:54] violent and agreement seem a little oxymoronic [10:54] I argued that the writer there probably doesn't mean to say "violent agreement" [10:54] Burgundavia: are you sure you know what it says above? [10:54] oh, wait, hmm [10:54] it should be violent disagreement. [10:54] =) [10:55] violent agreement has a different but not opposing connotation [10:55] you are right, I misread that [10:55] I will fix it [10:55] my mind put in disagreement [10:56] same with the author of the article, I'm sure 8) [10:56] fixed [10:56] LaserJock: they're not. Heated debates can be civil and can "conclude" with all parties concurring. [10:56] but violent? that implies non-civil to me [10:57] yes, it can get very non-civil [10:57] violent doesn't imply non-civil [10:57] have you ever seen debian debate a license? [10:57] yeah, a little bit [10:57] depends on context; I wouldn't say it was necessary in the case of debate [10:57] random stupid link --> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/5067912.stm [10:57] martial arts tournaments are violent and civil. [10:58] yeah [10:58] yes, but license and freenes debates can quickly sink to non-civil [10:59] Burgundavia: lol @ pic [11:03] Burgundavia: I do think the "Ubuntu is an entirely open source operating system built around the Linux kernel." [11:03] and? [11:03] statment is perhaps not accurate [11:03] I don't want to make huge changes to such pages without confirmation [11:03] well that is the desktop guide so there really isn't anythin we can do about that right now [11:04] but that was the only point that I found very valid [11:04] the "All of the application [11:05] software installed by default is Free Software." one clearly doesn't include the next sentence [11:05] I have got myself in a nice pickle. I have lost my visa card and my laptop power supply. I am leaving for a trip on Tues and need the power supply. But I can't buy a new one because I have no visa card :( [11:05] yikes [11:09] last time I used it was the 11th of may [11:11] so it has not been used for fraud, but still [11:19] hmm, I wish I could get MLs as RSS feeds [11:19] which MLs? [11:21] LaserJock: allow me to {re,}introduce you to gmane. http://gmane.org/rss.php [11:21] oh, like debian MLs [11:23] man, gmane rocks my socks off! [11:25] LaserJock, why just mailing lists? Why not all e-mail? :-) [11:26] well, I just want to be able to skim through Debian MLs without having to subscribe [11:28] yes, the one I was looking for tetex-maintainers [11:30] now, I feel like an idiot that I haven't used this before [11:37] crimsun_: thanks dude, I don't know what I would do without you sometimes. Probably be in the technological stone age :-) [11:38] LaserJock: the intarweb is a big place. I don't know the half of it. === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-doc === manicka [n=manicka@ubuntu/member/manicka] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:45] hi manicka [11:45] hi [11:58] hmm, epiphany is bugging me now