[12:05] ajmitch: so you're using alsa and not oss? [12:05] crimsun_: yes [12:05] ajmitch: which device? === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:05] if I switch to oss, and put the right libs in place, it works [12:05] um === ajmitch will have to check that === theCore [n=alex@modemcable240.218-70-69.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:06] crimsun_: I did no configuration on doom3 for alsa, so I didn't select a device [12:06] ok. Please try "+set s_alsa_pcm plughw:0" === _jaldhar [n=jaldhar@c-68-38-202-139.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:09] during DOOM 3 initialization... [12:09] WARNING: sound subsystem disabled [12:09] that's ... unique [12:09] quite spethial [12:10] does doom3 emit any additional debug output? [12:10] setting speakers to stereo gets me the messed up sound again [12:10] nope [12:10] I'm using an amd64, so the sdl libs for doom3 are coming from ia32-libs-sdl [12:11] to use OSS, I need to borrow the sdl lib from a 32-bit chroot :) [12:11] ok, having not played doom3, does its sound system default to surround? [12:12] wow, I just did a dist-upgrade on stable and it had 68 packages to upgrade [12:12] shesh, so much for stable ;-) [12:12] LaserJock: /which/ stable? :-) [12:12] (we have three currently ;-) [12:12] Debian stable [12:12] ah [12:13] crimsun_: I'm thinking so [12:13] ajmitch: hmm, have you tried using "+set s_alsa_pcm plug:surround51" ? [12:14] man, this syntax for doom3 seems odd [12:14] will try === ajmitch only has boring stereo speakers [12:15] woah, you got speakers? cool [12:15] ok, no sound again, same WARNING [12:15] ajmitch: what effect does "+set s_alsa_pcm surround51" have? [12:16] no improvement, no sound [12:16] ok, that's plain odd [12:16] yes [12:16] makes me suspect that I used to play it with OSS without realising [12:18] since the sound option defaults to 'best', rather than explicitly alsa or oss [12:18] hmm, "+set developer 1" should be more verbose [12:18] please try "+set s_alsa_pcm plughw:0 +set developer 1" [12:19] nothing extra related to sound [12:20] plughw:0 gets me the short write errors again [12:20] ok, let's attempt to short plug; what about "+set s_alsa_pcm hw:0" ? [12:22] WARNING: sound subsystem disabled [12:22] nothing else [12:22] proprietary software is great like that [12:22] man, I need to smack ttimo [12:23] heh === crimsun_ considers ltrace and strace === ajmitch considers how much that will kill this box :) [12:23] I suppose in the absence of source code being available, ltrace and strace will have to suffice [12:24] oh, it hangs with redirected output? [12:24] I doubt it [12:24] but I have zul wanting to borrow my box for a kernel compile in a few minutes [12:24] ah, right [12:25] <\sh> so good night folks.. === _jaldhar is now known as jaldhar === FunnyLookinHat [n=funnyloo@71.57.11.218] has joined #ubuntu-motu === hub [n=hub@toronto-hs-216-138-231-194.s-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === _jaldhar [n=jaldhar@c-68-38-202-139.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === _jaldhar is now known as jaldhar === yipe [n=yipely@12-218-169-50.client.mchsi.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === neutrinomass [n=pandis@ppp20-129.adsl.forthnet.gr] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === medelin [n=medelin@201.14.19.56] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:26] Hi, someone already check the cmph package? [01:27] come again? [01:27] I'm assuming he means a package on revu [01:27] yeah [01:28] I upload this in 7/jun [01:28] so only a couple of days ago [01:28] ajmitch: you are a reviewer? [01:28] in a sense === asw [n=asw@karuna.med.harvard.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:30] hmm. Snort 2.6 is out, 2.4 just ended its lifespan, and dapper still uses 2.3.3... :( lemme guess, Debian still hasn't caught up === medelin [n=medelin@201.14.19.56] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:36] gah, no themes for gkrellm [01:36] so there's no mplayer in ubuntu? [01:37] in multiverse. [01:41] hmm, I have that enabled in apt [01:41] (sources.list) [01:42] yet atp-cache search isn't showing anything by kmplayer* [01:42] are you looking for kmplayer or mplayer? afaik they're different. [01:43] kmplayer's in universe; mplayer's in multiverse [01:44] havoc: as in http://pastebin.ca/63460 [01:44] I wanted mplayer === lakin [n=lakin@S01060013101832ce.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:45] so enable multiverse and refresh your packages cache [01:49] did that, still no mplayer === bluefoxicy looks at snort and ohcrap x.x === jak08 [n=jak08@cras80p98.navix.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:49] well. I can try o_o [01:50] havoc: then you didn't enable the correct one. Pastebin your sources.list. [01:50] hmm I should get an account on SF... [01:51] crimsun_: http://pastebin.com/771095 [01:51] havoc: see your error yet? [01:51] Kyral: why? [01:51] havoc: look very closely at line 26. [01:52] LaserJock: this little daemon thing I wrote [01:52] Kyral: yeah? cool [01:52] it ain't much, but one of my profs mentioned it to Russ Nelson and he said I should submit it to the Free Software Directory [01:52] crimsun_: I can't see it, all these damn trees in the way ;) [01:53] havoc: you enabled -backports. [01:53] I could host it on my webspace...but I'm having problems with DNS and I'd like to have it someplace where it wouldn't depend on my server [01:54] crimsun_: ok, so I have backports, not multiverse [01:55] havoc: you need multiverse for dapper, not dapper-backports. [01:55] Don't think I can package it for Debian or Ubuntu right now anyway [01:55] what's the URL to the "everything" sources list? [01:56] or the wiki url? [01:56] (to that page) [01:56] i.e. what do I need in there [01:56] ? [01:56] unless MuttNG compiled with libestmp is in the repos :P === havoc is still a little new to apt === NthDegree [n=NthDegre@212-139-2-243.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:57] havoc: where you have universe in lines 16 & 17, add multiverse to the end like it has on line 26 [01:57] thanx [01:58] so multiverse isn't in the config by default (not even commented out)? [01:58] hmm, I thought it was commented out but I guess not [01:58] you can add them all via synaptic too [01:59] if you want the GUI version ;-) [01:59] bah, guis :( [02:00] KISS :D [02:00] "bah"? You're trying to install mplayer. === ajmitch wonders why this is suddenly a support channel [02:00] Keep It Simple Stupid :D [02:00] oh ajmitch don't be a downer [02:00] ajmitch: sorry, my bad :| [02:00] not like anything else was going on [02:01] ok, very nice :) [02:01] well to be fair, havoc /could/ have asked in #kubuntu [02:01] doh, I forgot that I wasn't being paid for IRC support [02:01] heh, harrassing them enough already ;) [02:02] LaserJock: I do enough IRC support, but I do it cuz I like to be able to help [02:02] unfortunately time is limited :( [02:02] I do it because I love the pay ;-) [02:03] heh, you're in the wrong line of work then :) === Amaranth_ [n=amaranth@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:03] hmm, still no gkrellm themes, guess they're not packaged [02:04] I thought there were [02:04] hmm maybe not SF.... [02:05] no? [02:05] hehe, too many restrictions :D [02:05] I'll just use my own server :D [02:05] or berlios [02:05] oh? [02:05] restrictions? [02:05] hmm [02:05] dunno, I saw a lot of legalese [02:06] and I've been meaning to setup a SVN domU anyway [02:07] I just wish I could get 4 static IPs.... [02:07] the gkrellm themese have bad licenses? [02:07] Kyral: Your ISP doesn't do extra statics, or won't? [02:07] its my school [02:08] I dunno I should just go talk to them [02:08] I mean if the MAC doesn't change its static [02:08] but my domU MACs are randomly generated everytime they reboot [02:09] and bring them down on a monthly basis to fsck their partitions [02:09] ^I bring [02:10] havoc: most artwork has bad licenses, in a DFSG way, I believe === imbrandon [n=brandon@ubuntu/member/imbrandon] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:10] ah [02:10] Dontcha love Xen :D [02:11] no, never tried it [02:11] Firewalling on dom0 is a BITCH === StevenK notes his ISP will route him a /29 for $120/year. [02:11] how many IPs is that? [02:11] 6 useable [02:11] (BTW fsck that when I am paying $7/year for the domain) [02:12] I'm paying $65/month for Internet anyway. [02:12] <==Free :P [02:12] Blah [02:12] <<===College :P [02:13] hello, it's called tuition [02:13] I dislike using the Internet at uni. [02:14] It's firewalled to all hell, and I could get faster connection speeds if I got out and pushed the packets out of the interface myself. [02:14] my uni line is fast [02:15] it is fairly firewalled though (like 6667) [02:15] eh I can run a webserver outta my dorm [02:15] um [02:15] oh yeah [02:15] not Mail or DNS or FTP [02:15] I should probably log into revu or something to see if there's any comments. [02:15] which is why I run the server from the computer lab :D [02:16] is LP going to be like a bzr version of BerliOS or SF? [02:17] Kyral: I like my ISP. They're cheap, they don't mind you running Linux, upload traffic is uncounted, their subnets aren't listed on the DUL, and they don't mind you running services. [02:18] DUL? [02:18] Dial-Up Users List [02:18] heh [02:18] http://revu.tauware.de/revu1-incoming/pax-utils-0606091425/linda [02:18] its more like is "I don't care about Linux. Run it if you want but hell if we will support it" [02:18] (my home ISP) [02:19] pax-utils; This package makes use of CDBS and debhelper, but doesn't depend on debhelper This package, which makes use of CDBS and the debhelper part of CDBS, does not depend on debhelper. [02:19] i just installed a package from source, but the problem is, it put the executable in /usr/local/kde/bin instead of /usr/bin. can i change that parameter? [02:19] It's a list of subnets that are considered to be dynamically assigned by dial-up ISPs. Which means that they must be infested with spammers. [02:19] uh. Doesn't CDBS depend on debhelper. O_o [02:19] brandon_: recompile with "prefix=/usr [02:19] bluefoxicy: (no, it doesn't) [02:19] Kyral: thank you [02:20] crimsun_: (wow) === bluefoxicy depends on debhelper then. [02:20] frankly custom compiles I prefix with /opt [02:20] nothing from Apt goes to /opt :P [02:20] Kyral: My ISP are more like "I can't tell you how to do it, but here's how you do it with Windows, and I'm happy to look at the auth logs for you." [02:21] should I just 'debhelper' depend or 'debhelper (>=something)'? [02:21] I'm not really sure who my ISP is right now [02:21] bluefoxicy: if you need a specific dh compat version, then you need to version the build dependency [02:22] (>= 4.0 would be a good idea) [02:22] crimsun_: I honestly have no idea so I'll just version it. [02:22] to >=4.0 === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:23] alright [02:24] That should be everything. I moved version to -0ubuntu1, added a debhelper dependency. I'll dput the new one. [02:32] i'm getting an error when i try to build a deb. i'm using the command "fakeroot debian/rules binary" and the error is that i'm missing a couple of the .mk files it needs [02:32] hmm [02:32] anyone have a good primer for GUI programming [02:32] precise errors would be nice. [02:32] Kyral: Yes. Don't try. [02:32] like about event driven stuff [02:32] StevenK: Where is the fun in that? [02:32] crimson_ are you talking to me? [02:33] Kyral: Google for a GTK tute. [02:33] StevenK: I know where it is [02:33] I meant to signal theory in general === jaldhar [n=jaldhar@c-68-38-202-139.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:34] well, gtk's or qt's approach? === Kyral falls down [02:34] something more basic lol [02:35] as in the helping me think in the event driven paradigm instead of the style I think in now [02:35] brandon_: yes [02:37] i'm wary about pasting too much code in here, but this is what i'm getting: "make: *** No rule to make target `/usr/share/cdbs/1/class/kde.mk" and also with another file in the same location called "debhelper.mk" [02:37] Kyral: aptitude install libevent-perl ; perldoc Event ? [02:37] StevenK: No apt :P [02:37] Awww. [02:37] I'll just look it up on perl.org [02:37] :D [02:37] Sysinfo for 'HyperDream': Linux 2.6.16-beyond running KDE 3.5.3, CPU: AMD Athlon XP 2100+ at 1734 MHz (3470 bogomips), HD: 244/432GB, RAM: 957/1011MB, 90 proc's, 3.20d up [02:38] http://search.cpan.org/~jprit/Event-1.06/lib/Event.pod [02:38] HyperDream. Dear me. [02:38] lol [02:39] I used to call it "InsaneFreedomDestinyAndDarkness" lol [02:39] % hostname [02:39] liquified [02:39] lol [02:39] see I have fun with my computer names :P === Erlang has got 2 'puter: Silvester & Tweetee [02:40] next time I should seriously do [02:40] pwgen -n 1 >> /etc/hostname [02:41] steven@liquified:~% ruptime | tr -s ' ' | cut -d\ -f1 | paste -d ' ' -s - [02:41] crippled destroyed enervated infected killed liquified [02:41] huh? [02:41] I'm guessing pbuilder don't support Edgy yet [02:41] dude... [02:41] That's all of my machine names. [02:41] Taken from ruptime. [02:41] ruptime? [02:42] brandon_: I presume you have both cdbs and debhelper installed? [02:42] Kyral: It takes status from rwhod of machines on the local network. [02:42] and I was about to say, stop with the Regexps...I have been studying them all day [02:42] That is no regexp, it's an evil one-liner. ;-) [02:42] regexps rawks [02:42] crimsun_: i'll check. i didn't need them on the previous debs i built though [02:42] you wanna see an evil on liner?! [02:43] I there a motu that'll be kind enough to review kpl some day? [02:44] well, motu or not motu. whoever can review. [02:45] link, and I'll look in a few hours after I've committed this fix for moodle. [02:46] strings `mysql -u -p -e 'select filename from table where ISNULL(content)' testdatabase | grep filename | sed 's/[[:space:] |] //g'` | sed 's/[[:xdigit:] [:cntrl:] ] //g' [02:46] crimsun_: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2361 [02:46] THATS an evil one liner === Ubug2 [n=bugbot@ubuntu/bot/ubugtu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:46] I've done worse. Like a five-line one-liner... [02:47] and that doesn't COMPLETE the job lol [02:47] anyone have a sed statement for stripping HTML tags? [02:48] I usually use lynx -dump for that [02:48] hehe [02:48] PDFs are a bitch to extract text from [02:48] unless you use something like ps2ascii or pdftohtml === bddebian [n=bdefrees@71.224.172.103] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:49] I hate to say it, but MSWord files are easier in that regard [02:49] dump the file with strings, then sed out all the nasty control and formatting [02:50] Heya gang [02:50] mv Kyral /dev/bathroom/shower :P === zul_ [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rob [i=Robert@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.rob] has joined #ubuntu-motu === NthDegree [n=NthDegre@212-139-2-243.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:03] hi, just wondering if anyone can tell me what the better option is, chroot or pbuilder (for building packages)? [03:04] Most use pbuilder here afaik [03:04] Of course I am wrong often :-) [03:04] there is sbuild too [03:05] heh [03:05] whats easier when starting off? [03:05] pbuilder is quite easy. [03:05] Aye [03:06] is there an edgy debootstrap package available yet? [03:06] yes, in edgy [03:07] though it's simpler to just debootstrap dapper & upgrade [03:10] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto [03:11] yeah, the packaging guide recommends going to packages.ubuntu.com, but its not there yet [03:12] ok, I've been asking in #kubuntu for hours now, and am loath to ask here, but how to I set a null root passwd? [03:12] .... [03:12] I wwon't tell you [03:12] why would you want to do that? [03:12] or set a null passwd in general in ubuntu? [03:12] and I will shoot anyone that does [03:13] I'll be sure to setup a page with tags when I figure it out then [03:13] Because you are a flaming idiot to even THINK of setting a null root password [03:13] I want it for convinience/laziness/experience/physically-remotely-inaccessible-box [03:13] ..... [03:13] and been doing it on this machine for years [03:13] Like I said [03:13] you are an idiot [03:14] whatever [03:14] does the word "security" mean anything to you [03:14] yes, and it doesn't matter on this box, does that mean anything to you? [03:15] sorry, its one of these things that is a complete foreign concept to me [03:15] so, web page w/ blink tags === DarkMageZ [n=DarkMage@ppp233-230.lns3.syd7.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:16] the web page with blink tags is an even greater insult [03:16] :P [03:16] heh, that's the point [03:16] at leats someone got it [03:17] ^least [03:18] pbuilder update to edgy works fine. great. [03:21] ubercrap, an ITP has been filed for kpl... === lakin [n=lakin@S01060013101832ce.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:26] did the mplayer crew recently change their cvs directories? the paths don't work anymore === jcape [i=jcape@71.194.177.222] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:34] brandon_: they no longer use cvs. [03:34] no idea [03:34] brandon_: svn checkout svn://svn.mplayerhq.hu/mplayer/trunk/ [03:34] (announced on their homepage) [03:36] Heya crimsun_ [03:37] havoc: without being rude, if you don't know how to set a null password then you probably aren't a person that should use a null password [03:37] 'lo bddebian [03:37] Daemon: I know how, ubuntu won't let me [03:37] especially for the root user [03:38] Daemon: I guess if you knew about the inner workings of ubuntu you'd know that [03:38] you cannot set a null passwd with either passwd or usermod [03:39] there is a reason for that [03:39] and if you manually edit shadow you will still be prompted for a passwd [03:40] havoc: I can only see that as a good thing [03:41] anyway, I got it done [03:41] now for the web page with tags === havoc is kidding about [03:44] stupid pam :< [03:45] so now I will use my null root passwd on my non-network connected box === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:47] Hobbsee: evening :) [03:47] morning havoc [03:47] morning for my wife, but not me [03:47] er, okay... [03:47] you're in different places? [03:47] she's a 3rd shifter [03:47] ah === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:03] heya Hobbsee [04:03] hey imbrandon [04:04] Heya imbrandon, Hobbsee :-) [04:04] hey bddebian [04:04] sup bddebian [04:04] Not much, you folks? [04:04] naddda [04:05] good morning [04:05] your home early Hobbsee [04:06] Hey all. [04:06] imbrandon: it's saturday here... [04:06] ahh nm its sat for you [04:06] Heya jsgotangco, TheMuso === Hobbsee is just plain cold, and supposedly studying [04:06] lol just realized that [04:06] heya guys [04:06] hey TheMuso and jsgotangco [04:06] Hobbsee, its been 90+ here all week ;) [04:06] 90+ f === Hobbsee mutters about nice warm weather not being here === imbrandon mutters about his nforce network drivers not working on his shiny new amd64 [04:07] heh [04:07] sucks cant get it to network for nothin === TheMuso specs [04:08] amd64 3400+ 1gb ram 160gb sata150 [04:08] nvida something video lol [04:09] and nforce chipset and nforce networking [04:09] nforce blows [04:09] everything works outa the box with dapper but the networking , and it see the card but wont get a ip from dhcp nor will it work if i set an ip [04:09] kinda boggleing [04:10] what module are you using? [04:10] zul_, yea but thats what was onboard when i bought it, i might just throw another nic in it [04:10] zul_, forcedeth or similar [04:11] hmmm [04:11] thats what it loaded outa the box, dident get it on the net to dload anything else heh [04:12] like i said i got 100000000 nic cards laying arround here , probbly just throw another in it for the time being tiill i figure it out , leaste that will let me get it online and try diffrent things [04:12] just kinda sucks of all things not to work the freakin nic card lol [04:15] zul_, here's the exact computer i bought, only thing diffrent is i added 512mb more ram http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000F3MG22/002-7102751-1896829?v=glance&n=541966 [04:16] what does dmesg say? [04:16] i would have to go fire it up, havent been using it today ;) [04:17] ah ok then [04:17] give me about and hour to finish up this download then i'll go throw a new nic in it and fire it up [04:17] if your still awake/arround then [04:18] sure i might not be but open a bug in lp if im not with the full details [04:18] kk [04:18] also run dhcp in debug mode and attach log files as well === _vinboy [n=vinboy@60-234-137-136.bitstream.orcon.net.nz] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:19] ok how do i do that , i tried dhclient eth0 but it wouldent get an ip [04:19] damn O'Reilly [04:19] btw the card does work ( tested in windows that came with it lol ) [04:20] just to rule that out [04:20] and the cable etc etc etc [04:20] damn them for making such kickass programming books! [04:20] dhlient -d [04:20] ok [04:20] lol Kyral that almost sounds sarcastic [04:20] no it isn't [04:21] because I am weak...lol I want all their Pocket References :D [04:21] ahh ;) [04:21] i have the php and c# pocket ref's they are nice [04:21] they have a buy 2 get 1 free deal going on at their site [04:22] and O'Reilly PHP Cookbook that is VERY nice [04:22] lesse, Linux Pocket Reference, Perl Pocket Reference, Python Pocket Reference [04:22] yea i should grab one for python === bluefoxicy [n=bluefox@c-68-33-112-13.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:22] do they have a python / qt one ? [04:22] I have a question about uploading stuff. [04:22] my copy of Python in a nutshell is 3 years old [04:22] Holy hell when did Python 2.5 come out? [04:23] http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2390 <-- I have some comments on stuff to do now [04:23] when I do that will I upload -0ubuntu2 or -0ubuntu1 again? [04:23] Kyral, i'm just now picking up python ;) [04:23] imbrandon: I made a joke that you know you program too much when all you need to pickup a language is to read the first few chapters of one of O'Reilly's "In A Nutshell" books :D [04:23] bluefoxicy: 1 [04:24] bluefoxicy, probbly -0ubuntu1 again ( without looking ) if its not in the repos yet [04:24] imbrandon: ok. [04:24] oh thats what I wanted [04:24] not Python Pocket Reference [04:24] hahaha Kyral [04:24] Regular Expressions Pocket Reference [04:25] is there a python / qt O'Rilly book ? [04:25] I dunno [04:25] grep the site for it :D === imbrandon looks [04:25] imbrandon: / bluefoxicy: always target the upload version you intend to make to Ubuntu [04:25] heh [04:25] crimsun_, yea thats what i thought, just wasent totaly sure [04:25] I should con the head of our CS Department to get a Safari subscription for the entire department [04:26] "you might want to switch to debhelper compatibility 5 (but 4 is ok as well) " Honestly do I care? [04:28]