[12:05] <crimsun_> ajmitch: so you're using alsa and not oss?
[12:05] <ajmitch> crimsun_: yes
[12:05] <crimsun_> ajmitch: which device?
[12:05] <ajmitch> if I switch to oss, and put the right libs in place, it works
[12:05] <ajmitch> um
[12:06] <ajmitch> crimsun_: I did no configuration on doom3 for alsa, so I didn't select a device
[12:06] <crimsun_> ok. Please try "+set s_alsa_pcm plughw:0"
[12:09] <ajmitch> during DOOM 3 initialization...
[12:09] <ajmitch> WARNING: sound subsystem disabled
[12:09] <crimsun_> that's ... unique
[12:09] <ajmitch> quite spethial
[12:10] <crimsun_> does doom3 emit any additional debug output?
[12:10] <ajmitch> setting speakers to stereo gets me the messed up sound again
[12:10] <ajmitch> nope
[12:10] <ajmitch> I'm using an amd64, so the sdl libs for doom3 are coming from ia32-libs-sdl
[12:11] <ajmitch> to use OSS, I need to borrow the sdl lib from a 32-bit chroot :)
[12:11] <crimsun_> ok, having not played doom3, does its sound system default to surround?
[12:12] <LaserJock> wow, I just did a dist-upgrade on stable and it had 68 packages to upgrade
[12:12] <LaserJock> shesh, so much for stable ;-)
[12:12] <crimsun_> LaserJock: /which/ stable? :-)
[12:12] <crimsun_> (we have three currently ;-)
[12:12] <LaserJock> Debian stable
[12:12] <crimsun_> ah
[12:13] <ajmitch> crimsun_: I'm thinking so
[12:13] <crimsun_> ajmitch: hmm, have you tried using "+set s_alsa_pcm plug:surround51" ?
[12:14] <crimsun_> man, this syntax for doom3 seems odd
[12:14] <ajmitch> will try
[12:15] <LaserJock> woah, you got speakers? cool
[12:15] <ajmitch> ok, no sound again, same WARNING
[12:15] <crimsun_> ajmitch: what effect does "+set s_alsa_pcm surround51" have?
[12:16] <ajmitch> no improvement, no sound
[12:16] <crimsun_> ok, that's plain odd
[12:16] <ajmitch> yes
[12:16] <ajmitch> makes me suspect that I used to play it with OSS without realising
[12:18] <ajmitch> since the sound option defaults to 'best', rather than explicitly alsa or oss
[12:18] <crimsun_> hmm, "+set developer 1" should be more verbose
[12:18] <crimsun_> please try "+set s_alsa_pcm plughw:0 +set developer 1"
[12:19] <ajmitch> nothing extra related to sound
[12:20] <ajmitch> plughw:0 gets me the short write errors again
[12:20] <crimsun_> ok, let's attempt to short plug; what about "+set s_alsa_pcm hw:0" ?
[12:22] <ajmitch> WARNING: sound subsystem disabled
[12:22] <ajmitch> nothing else
[12:22] <ajmitch> proprietary software is great like that
[12:22] <crimsun_> man, I need to smack ttimo
[12:23] <ajmitch> heh
[12:23] <crimsun_> I suppose in the absence of source code being available, ltrace and strace will have to suffice
[12:24] <crimsun_> oh, it hangs with redirected output?
[12:24] <ajmitch> I doubt it
[12:24] <ajmitch> but I have zul wanting to borrow my box for a kernel compile in a few minutes
[12:24] <crimsun_> ah, right
[12:25] <\sh> so good night folks..
[01:26] <medelin> Hi, someone already check the cmph package?
[01:27] <crimsun_> come again?
[01:27] <ajmitch> I'm assuming he means a package on revu
[01:27] <medelin> yeah
[01:28] <medelin> I upload this in 7/jun
[01:28] <ajmitch> so only a couple of days ago
[01:28] <medelin> ajmitch: you are a reviewer?
[01:28] <ajmitch> in a sense
[01:30] <bluefoxicy> hmm. Snort 2.6 is out, 2.4 just ended its lifespan, and dapper still uses 2.3.3... :(  lemme guess, Debian still hasn't caught up
[01:36] <havoc> gah, no themes for gkrellm
[01:36] <havoc> so there's no mplayer in ubuntu?
[01:37] <crimsun_> in multiverse.
[01:41] <havoc> hmm, I have that enabled in apt
[01:41] <havoc> (sources.list)
[01:42] <havoc> yet atp-cache search isn't showing anything by kmplayer*
[01:42] <crimsun_> are you looking for kmplayer or mplayer? afaik they're different.
[01:43] <crimsun_> kmplayer's in universe; mplayer's in multiverse
[01:44] <crimsun_> havoc: as in http://pastebin.ca/63460
[01:44] <havoc> I wanted mplayer
[01:45] <crimsun_> so enable multiverse and refresh your packages cache
[01:49] <havoc> did that, still no mplayer
[01:49] <bluefoxicy> well.  I can try o_o
[01:50] <crimsun_> havoc: then you didn't enable the correct one. Pastebin your sources.list.
[01:50] <Kyral> hmm I should get an account on SF...
[01:51] <havoc> crimsun_: http://pastebin.com/771095
[01:51] <crimsun_> havoc: see your error yet?
[01:51] <LaserJock> Kyral: why?
[01:51] <crimsun_> havoc: look very closely at line 26.
[01:52] <Kyral> LaserJock: this little daemon thing I wrote
[01:52] <LaserJock> Kyral: yeah? cool
[01:52] <Kyral> it ain't much, but one of my profs mentioned it to Russ Nelson and he said I should submit it to the Free Software Directory
[01:52] <havoc> crimsun_: I can't see it, all these damn trees in the way ;)
[01:53] <crimsun_> havoc: you enabled -backports.
[01:53] <Kyral> I could host it on my webspace...but I'm having problems with DNS and I'd like to have it someplace where it wouldn't depend on my server
[01:54] <havoc> crimsun_: ok, so I have backports, not multiverse
[01:55] <crimsun_> havoc: you need multiverse for dapper, not dapper-backports.
[01:55] <Kyral> Don't think I can package it for Debian or Ubuntu right now anyway
[01:55] <havoc> what's the URL to the "everything" sources list?
[01:56] <havoc> or the wiki url?
[01:56] <havoc> (to that page)
[01:56] <havoc> i.e. what do I need in there
[01:56] <havoc> ?
[01:56] <Kyral> unless MuttNG compiled with libestmp is in the repos :P
[01:57] <LaserJock> havoc: where you have universe in lines 16 & 17, add multiverse to the end like it has on line 26
[01:57] <havoc> thanx
[01:58] <havoc> so multiverse isn't in the config by default (not even commented out)?
[01:58] <LaserJock> hmm, I thought it was commented out but I guess not
[01:58] <LaserJock> you can add them all via synaptic too
[01:59] <LaserJock> if you want the GUI version ;-)
[01:59] <havoc> bah, guis :(
[02:00] <Kyral> KISS :D
[02:00] <crimsun_> "bah"? You're trying to install mplayer.
[02:00] <Kyral> Keep It Simple Stupid :D
[02:00] <Kyral> oh ajmitch don't be a downer
[02:00] <havoc> ajmitch: sorry, my bad :|
[02:00] <Kyral> not like anything else was going on
[02:01] <havoc> ok, very nice :)
[02:01] <crimsun_> well to be fair, havoc /could/ have asked in #kubuntu
[02:01] <LaserJock> doh, I forgot that I wasn't being paid for IRC support
[02:01] <havoc> heh, harrassing them enough already ;)
[02:02] <havoc> LaserJock: I do enough IRC support, but I do it cuz I like to be able to help
[02:02] <havoc> unfortunately time is limited :(
[02:02] <LaserJock> I do it because I love the pay ;-)
[02:03] <havoc> heh, you're in the wrong line of work then :)
[02:03] <havoc> hmm, still no gkrellm themes, guess they're not packaged
[02:04] <LaserJock> I thought there were
[02:04] <Kyral> hmm maybe not SF....
[02:05] <LaserJock> no?
[02:05] <Kyral> hehe, too many restrictions :D
[02:05] <Kyral> I'll just use my own server :D
[02:05] <crimsun_> or berlios
[02:05] <Kyral> oh?
[02:05] <LaserJock> restrictions?
[02:05] <LaserJock> hmm
[02:05] <Kyral> dunno, I saw a lot of legalese
[02:06] <Kyral> and I've been meaning to setup a SVN domU anyway
[02:07] <Kyral> I just wish I could get 4 static IPs....
[02:07] <havoc> the gkrellm themese have bad licenses?
[02:07] <StevenK> Kyral: Your ISP doesn't do extra statics, or won't?
[02:07] <Kyral> its my school
[02:08] <Kyral> I dunno I should just go talk to them
[02:08] <Kyral> I mean if the MAC doesn't change its static
[02:08] <Kyral> but my domU MACs are randomly generated everytime they reboot
[02:09] <Kyral> and bring them down on a monthly basis to fsck their partitions
[02:09] <Kyral> ^I bring
[02:10] <LaserJock> havoc: most artwork has bad licenses, in a DFSG way, I believe
[02:10] <havoc> ah
[02:10] <Kyral> Dontcha love Xen :D
[02:11] <LaserJock> no, never tried it
[02:11] <Kyral> Firewalling on dom0 is a BITCH
[02:11] <Kyral> how many IPs is that?
[02:11] <StevenK> 6 useable
[02:11] <Kyral> (BTW fsck that when I am paying $7/year for the domain)
[02:12] <StevenK> I'm paying $65/month for Internet anyway.
[02:12] <Kyral> <==Free :P
[02:12] <StevenK> Blah
[02:12] <Kyral> <<[02:13] <LaserJock> hello, it's called tuition
[02:13] <StevenK> I dislike using the Internet at uni.
[02:14] <StevenK> It's firewalled to all hell, and I could get faster connection speeds if I got out and pushed the packets out of the interface myself.
[02:14] <LaserJock> my uni line is fast
[02:15] <LaserJock> it is fairly firewalled though (like 6667)
[02:15] <Kyral> eh I can run a webserver outta my dorm
[02:15] <bluefoxicy> um
[02:15] <bluefoxicy> oh yeah
[02:15] <Kyral> not Mail or DNS or FTP
[02:15] <bluefoxicy> I should probably log into revu or something to see if there's any comments.
[02:15] <Kyral> which is why I run the server from the computer lab :D
[02:16] <LaserJock> is LP going to be like a bzr version of BerliOS or SF?
[02:17] <StevenK> Kyral: I like my ISP. They're cheap, they don't mind you running Linux, upload traffic is uncounted, their subnets aren't listed on the DUL, and they don't mind you running services.
[02:18] <Kyral> DUL?
[02:18] <StevenK> Dial-Up Users List
[02:18] <Kyral> heh
[02:18] <bluefoxicy> http://revu.tauware.de/revu1-incoming/pax-utils-0606091425/linda
[02:18] <Kyral> its more like is "I don't care about Linux. Run it if you want but hell if we will support it"
[02:18] <Kyral> (my home ISP)
[02:19] <bluefoxicy> pax-utils; This package makes use of CDBS and debhelper, but doesn't depend on debhelper This package, which makes use of CDBS and the debhelper part of CDBS, does not depend on debhelper.
[02:19] <brandon_> i just installed a package from source, but the problem is, it put the executable in /usr/local/kde/bin instead of /usr/bin. can i change that parameter?
[02:19] <StevenK> It's a list of subnets that are considered to be dynamically assigned by dial-up ISPs. Which means that they must be infested with spammers.
[02:19] <bluefoxicy> uh.  Doesn't CDBS depend on debhelper.  O_o
[02:19] <Kyral> brandon_: recompile with "prefix=/usr
[02:19] <crimsun_> bluefoxicy: (no, it doesn't)
[02:19] <brandon_> Kyral: thank you
[02:20] <bluefoxicy> crimsun_: (wow)
[02:20] <Kyral> frankly custom compiles I prefix with /opt
[02:20] <Kyral> nothing from Apt goes to /opt :P
[02:20] <StevenK> Kyral: My ISP are more like "I can't tell you how to do it, but here's how you do it with Windows, and I'm happy to look at the auth logs for you."
[02:21] <bluefoxicy> should I just 'debhelper' depend or 'debhelper (>=something)'?
[02:21] <LaserJock> I'm not really sure who my ISP is right now
[02:21] <crimsun_> bluefoxicy: if you need a specific dh compat version, then you need to version the build dependency
[02:22] <crimsun_> (>= 4.0 would be a good idea)
[02:22] <bluefoxicy> crimsun_:  I honestly have no idea so I'll just version it.
[02:22] <bluefoxicy> to >=4.0
[02:23] <bluefoxicy> alright
[02:24] <bluefoxicy> That should be everything.  I moved version to -0ubuntu1, added a debhelper dependency.  I'll dput the new one.
[02:32] <brandon_> i'm getting an error when i try to build a deb. i'm using the command "fakeroot debian/rules binary" and the error is that i'm missing a couple of the .mk files it needs
[02:32] <Kyral> hmm
[02:32] <Kyral> anyone have a good primer for GUI programming
[02:32] <crimsun_> precise errors would be nice.
[02:32] <StevenK> Kyral: Yes. Don't try.
[02:32] <Kyral> like about event driven stuff
[02:32] <Kyral> StevenK: Where is the fun in that?
[02:32] <brandon_> crimson_ are you talking to me?
[02:33] <StevenK> Kyral: Google for a GTK tute.
[02:33] <Kyral> StevenK: I know where it is
[02:33] <Kyral> I meant to signal theory in general
[02:34] <crimsun_> well, gtk's or qt's approach?
[02:34] <Kyral> something more basic lol
[02:35] <Kyral> as in the helping me think in the event driven paradigm instead of the style I think in now
[02:35] <crimsun_> brandon_: yes
[02:37] <brandon_> i'm wary about pasting too much code in here, but this is what i'm getting: "make: *** No rule to make target `/usr/share/cdbs/1/class/kde.mk" and also with another file in the same location called "debhelper.mk"
[02:37] <StevenK> Kyral: aptitude install libevent-perl ; perldoc Event ?
[02:37] <Kyral> StevenK: No apt :P
[02:37] <StevenK> Awww.
[02:37] <Kyral> I'll just look it up on perl.org
[02:37] <Kyral> :D
[02:37] <Kyral> Sysinfo for 'HyperDream': Linux 2.6.16-beyond running KDE 3.5.3, CPU: AMD Athlon XP 2100+ at 1734 MHz (3470 bogomips), HD: 244/432GB, RAM: 957/1011MB, 90 proc's, 3.20d up
[02:38] <StevenK> http://search.cpan.org/~jprit/Event-1.06/lib/Event.pod
[02:38] <StevenK> HyperDream. Dear me.
[02:38] <Kyral> lol
[02:39] <Kyral> I used to call it "InsaneFreedomDestinyAndDarkness" lol
[02:39] <StevenK> % hostname
[02:39] <StevenK> liquified
[02:39] <Kyral> lol
[02:39] <Kyral> see I have fun with my computer names :P
[02:40] <Kyral> next time I should seriously do
[02:40] <Kyral> pwgen -n 1 >> /etc/hostname
[02:41] <StevenK> steven@liquified:~% ruptime | tr -s ' ' | cut -d\  -f1 | paste -d ' ' -s -
[02:41] <StevenK> crippled destroyed enervated infected killed liquified
[02:41] <Kyral> huh?
[02:41] <Erlang> I'm guessing pbuilder don't support Edgy yet
[02:41] <Kyral> dude...
[02:41] <StevenK> That's all of my machine names.
[02:41] <StevenK> Taken from ruptime.
[02:41] <Kyral> ruptime?
[02:42] <crimsun_> brandon_: I presume you have both cdbs and debhelper installed?
[02:42] <StevenK> Kyral: It takes status from rwhod of machines on the local network.
[02:42] <Kyral> and I was about to say, stop with the Regexps...I have been studying them all day
[02:42] <StevenK> That is no regexp, it's an evil one-liner. ;-)
[02:42] <Erlang> regexps rawks
[02:42] <brandon_> crimsun_: i'll check. i didn't need them on the previous debs i built though
[02:42] <Kyral> you wanna see an evil on liner?!
[02:43] <Erlang> I there a motu that'll be kind enough to review kpl some day?
[02:44] <Erlang> well, motu or not motu.  whoever can review.
[02:45] <crimsun_> link, and I'll look in a few hours after I've committed this fix for moodle.
[02:46] <Kyral> strings `mysql -u <user> -p<password> -e 'select filename from table where ISNULL(content)' testdatabase | grep filename | sed 's/[[:space:] |] //g'` | sed 's/[[:xdigit:] [:cntrl:] ] //g'
[02:46] <Erlang> crimsun_: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2361
[02:46] <Kyral> THATS an evil one liner
[02:46] <Erlang> I've done worse.  Like a five-line one-liner...
[02:47] <Kyral> and that doesn't COMPLETE the job lol
[02:47] <Kyral> anyone have a sed statement for stripping HTML tags?
[02:48] <StevenK> I usually use lynx -dump for that
[02:48] <Kyral> hehe
[02:48] <Kyral> PDFs are a bitch to extract text from
[02:48] <Kyral> unless you use something like ps2ascii or pdftohtml
[02:49] <Kyral> I hate to say it, but MSWord files are easier in that regard
[02:49] <Kyral> dump the file with strings, then sed out all the nasty control and formatting
[02:50] <bddebian> Heya gang
[02:50] <Kyral> mv Kyral /dev/bathroom/shower :P
[03:03] <rob> hi, just wondering if anyone can tell me what the better option is, chroot or pbuilder (for building packages)?
[03:04] <bddebian> Most use pbuilder here afaik
[03:04] <bddebian> Of course I am wrong often :-)
[03:04] <Erlang> there is sbuild too
[03:05] <rob> heh
[03:05] <rob> whats easier when starting off?
[03:05] <Erlang> pbuilder is quite easy.
[03:05] <bddebian> Aye
[03:06] <rob> is there an edgy debootstrap package available yet?
[03:06] <ajmitch> yes, in edgy
[03:07] <ajmitch> though it's simpler to just debootstrap dapper & upgrade
[03:10] <bddebian> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto
[03:11] <rob> yeah, the packaging guide recommends going to packages.ubuntu.com, but its not there yet
[03:12] <havoc> ok, I've been asking in #kubuntu for hours now, and am loath to ask here, but how to I set a null root passwd?
[03:12] <Kyral> ....
[03:12] <Kyral> I wwon't tell you
[03:12] <rob> why would you want to do that?
[03:12] <havoc> or set a null passwd in general in ubuntu?
[03:12] <Kyral> and I will shoot anyone that does
[03:13] <havoc> I'll be sure to setup a page with <blink> tags when I figure it out then
[03:13] <Kyral> Because you are a flaming idiot to even THINK of setting a null root password
[03:13] <havoc> I want it for  convinience/laziness/experience/physically-remotely-inaccessible-box
[03:13] <Kyral> .....
[03:13] <havoc> and been doing it on this machine for years
[03:13] <Kyral> Like I said
[03:13] <Kyral> you are an idiot
[03:14] <havoc> whatever
[03:14] <Kyral> does the word "security" mean anything to you
[03:14] <havoc> yes, and it doesn't matter on this box, does that mean anything to you?
[03:15] <Kyral> sorry, its one of these things that is a complete foreign concept to me
[03:15] <havoc> so, web page w/ blink tags
[03:16] <rob> the web page with blink tags is an even greater insult
[03:16] <rob> :P
[03:16] <havoc> heh, that's the point
[03:16] <havoc> at leats someone got it
[03:17] <havoc> ^least
[03:18] <Erlang> pbuilder update to edgy works fine.  great.
[03:21] <Erlang> ubercrap, an ITP has been filed for kpl...
[03:26] <brandon_> did the mplayer crew recently change their cvs directories? the paths don't work anymore
[03:34] <crimsun_> brandon_: they no longer use cvs.
[03:34] <zul_> no idea
[03:34] <crimsun_> brandon_: svn checkout svn://svn.mplayerhq.hu/mplayer/trunk/
[03:34] <crimsun_> (announced on their homepage)
[03:36] <bddebian> Heya crimsun_
[03:37] <Daemon> havoc: without being rude, if you don't know how to set a null password then you probably aren't a person that should use a null password
[03:37] <crimsun_> 'lo bddebian
[03:37] <havoc> Daemon: I know how, ubuntu won't let me
[03:37] <Daemon> especially for the root user
[03:38] <havoc> Daemon: I guess if you knew about the inner workings of ubuntu you'd know that
[03:38] <havoc> you cannot set a null passwd with either passwd or usermod
[03:39] <Kyral> there is a reason for that
[03:39] <havoc> and if you manually edit shadow you will still be prompted for a passwd
[03:40] <Daemon> havoc: I can only see that as a good thing
[03:41] <havoc> anyway, I got it done
[03:41] <havoc> now for the web page with <blink> tags
[03:44] <havoc> stupid pam :<
[03:45] <havoc> so now I will use my null root passwd on my non-network connected box
[03:47] <havoc> Hobbsee: evening :)
[03:47] <Hobbsee> morning havoc
[03:47] <havoc> morning for my wife, but not me
[03:47] <Hobbsee> er, okay...
[03:47] <Hobbsee> you're in different places?
[03:47] <havoc> she's a 3rd shifter
[03:47] <Hobbsee> ah
[04:03] <imbrandon> heya Hobbsee
[04:03] <Hobbsee> hey imbrandon
[04:04] <bddebian> Heya imbrandon, Hobbsee :-)
[04:04] <Hobbsee> hey bddebian
[04:04] <imbrandon> sup bddebian
[04:04] <bddebian> Not much, you folks?
[04:04] <imbrandon> naddda
[04:05] <jsgotangco> good morning
[04:05] <imbrandon> your home early Hobbsee
[04:06] <TheMuso> Hey all.
[04:06] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: it's saturday here...
[04:06] <imbrandon> ahh nm its sat for you
[04:06] <bddebian> Heya jsgotangco, TheMuso
[04:06] <imbrandon> lol just realized that
[04:06] <imbrandon> heya guys
[04:06] <Hobbsee> hey TheMuso and jsgotangco
[04:06] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, its been 90+ here all week ;)
[04:06] <imbrandon> 90+ f
[04:07] <TheMuso> heh
[04:07] <imbrandon> sucks cant get it to network for nothin
[04:08] <imbrandon> amd64 3400+ 1gb ram 160gb sata150
[04:08] <imbrandon> nvida something video lol
[04:09] <imbrandon> and nforce chipset and nforce networking
[04:09] <zul_> nforce blows
[04:09] <imbrandon> everything works outa the box with dapper but the networking , and it see the card but wont get a ip from dhcp nor will it work if i set an ip
[04:09] <imbrandon> kinda boggleing
[04:10] <zul_> what module are you using?
[04:10] <imbrandon> zul_, yea but thats what was onboard when i bought it, i might just throw another nic in it
[04:10] <imbrandon> zul_, forcedeth or similar
[04:11] <zul_> hmmm
[04:11] <imbrandon> thats what it loaded outa the box, dident get it on the net to dload anything else heh
[04:12] <imbrandon> like i said i got 100000000 nic cards laying arround here , probbly just throw another in it for the time being tiill i figure it out , leaste that will let me get it online and try diffrent things
[04:12] <imbrandon> just kinda sucks of all things not to work the freakin nic card lol
[04:15] <imbrandon> zul_, here's the exact computer i bought, only thing diffrent is i added 512mb more ram   http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000F3MG22/002-7102751-1896829?v=glance&n=541966
[04:16] <zul_> what does dmesg say?
[04:16] <imbrandon> i would have to go fire it up, havent been using it today ;)
[04:17] <zul_> ah ok then
[04:17] <imbrandon> give me about and hour to finish up this download then i'll go throw a new nic in it and fire it up
[04:17] <imbrandon> if your still awake/arround then
[04:18] <zul_> sure i might not be but open a bug in lp if im not with the full details
[04:18] <imbrandon> kk
[04:18] <zul_> also run dhcp in debug mode and attach log files as well
[04:19] <imbrandon> ok how do i do that , i tried dhclient eth0 but it wouldent get an ip
[04:19] <Kyral> damn O'Reilly
[04:19] <imbrandon> btw the card does work ( tested in windows that came with it lol )
[04:20] <imbrandon> just to rule that out
[04:20] <imbrandon> and the cable etc etc etc
[04:20] <Kyral> damn them for making such kickass programming books!
[04:20] <zul_> dhlient -d
[04:20] <imbrandon> ok
[04:20] <imbrandon> lol Kyral that almost sounds sarcastic
[04:20] <Kyral> no it isn't
[04:21] <Kyral> because I am weak...lol I want all their Pocket References :D
[04:21] <imbrandon> ahh ;)
[04:21] <imbrandon> i have the php and c# pocket ref's they are nice
[04:21] <Kyral> they have a buy 2 get 1 free deal going on at their site
[04:22] <imbrandon> and O'Reilly PHP Cookbook that is VERY nice
[04:22] <Kyral> lesse, Linux Pocket Reference, Perl Pocket Reference, Python Pocket Reference
[04:22] <imbrandon> yea i should grab one for python
[04:22] <imbrandon> do they have a python / qt one ?
[04:22] <bluefoxicy> I have a question about uploading stuff.
[04:22] <Kyral> my copy of Python in a nutshell is 3 years old
[04:22] <Kyral> Holy hell when did Python 2.5 come out?
[04:23] <bluefoxicy> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2390  <-- I have some comments on stuff to do now
[04:23] <bluefoxicy> when I do that will I upload -0ubuntu2 or -0ubuntu1 again?
[04:23] <imbrandon> Kyral, i'm just now picking up python ;)
[04:23] <Kyral> imbrandon: I made a joke that you know you program too much when all you need to pickup a language is to read the first few chapters of one of O'Reilly's "In A Nutshell" books :D
[04:23] <crimsun_> bluefoxicy: 1
[04:24] <imbrandon> bluefoxicy, probbly -0ubuntu1 again ( without looking ) if its not in the repos yet
[04:24] <bluefoxicy> imbrandon:  ok.
[04:24] <Kyral> oh thats what I wanted
[04:24] <Kyral> not Python Pocket Reference
[04:24] <imbrandon> hahaha Kyral
[04:24] <Kyral> Regular Expressions Pocket Reference
[04:25] <imbrandon> is there a python / qt O'Rilly book ?
[04:25] <Kyral> I dunno
[04:25] <Kyral> grep the site for it :D
[04:25] <crimsun_> imbrandon: / bluefoxicy: always target the upload version you intend to make to Ubuntu
[04:25] <imbrandon> heh
[04:25] <imbrandon> crimsun_, yea thats what i thought, just wasent totaly sure
[04:25] <Kyral> I should con the head of our CS Department to get a Safari subscription for the entire department
[04:26] <bluefoxicy> "you might want to switch to debhelper compatibility 5 (but 4 is ok as well) "  Honestly do I care?
[04:28] <Erlang> duuuh, the guy that filed the ITP before me has a kpl package and his diff is like 5mb...
[04:29] <crimsun_> bluefoxicy: 5 would be excellent (remember to bump the versioned b-d in debian/control then)
[04:29] <Erlang> the compressed .orig is 600k...
[04:29] <bluefoxicy> crimsun_: I'm guessing, the "compat" file in debian/?
[04:29] <bluefoxicy> just spit "5" in there?
[04:30] <bluefoxicy> (also I got Pre-Depends from probably gzip, which I used as a template package)
[04:30] <crimsun_> bluefoxicy: yes. Possible it might be exported in debian/rules, too.
[04:30] <bluefoxicy> not in rules.
[04:30] <bluefoxicy> I used cdbs
[04:30] <crimsun_> then just adjust debian/co{mpat,ntrol}
[04:33] <imbrandon> crimsun_, will there be an announcement of some type somewhere ( ? -motu mailing list ? ) when edgy is avaible for general universe uploads ?
[04:35] <bluefoxicy> crimsun_:  I love the status
[04:35] <bluefoxicy> "Lightbulb and hammer"
[04:35] <bluefoxicy> You should get rid of the icons and just type it straight in.
[04:36] <crimsun_> imbrandon: to -devel{,-announce} I suspect
[04:36] <imbrandon> kk
[04:37] <crimsun_> imbrandon: it will be fairly obvious, too. You'll see the X.Org 7.1 packages built.
[04:38] <imbrandon> heh true and probbly 1000000000 pkgs comming over -changes
[04:38] <bddebian> imbrandon: You will get an invitation in the mail ;-P
[04:38] <imbrandon> heheh
[04:38] <crimsun_> (from bddebian ;)
[04:39] <imbrandon> mark will come knock on my door ;)
[04:39] <crimsun_> (and a pony)
[04:39] <imbrandon> hahaha
[04:39] <bddebian> crimsun_: Oh yeah, Alpo called.  Somehow they got your shipment ;-P
[04:39] <jsgotangco> alpo haha
[04:39] <crimsun_> pfft
[04:40] <bluefoxicy> ... ok that wasn't bad.
[04:40] <imbrandon> hahah speaking of ponies ...i was showing off photoshop on wine ...... well hold on the pic speaks for its self ....... *looks for the pic*   .... http://www.buntudot.org/people/~imbrandon/screenshots/snapshot4.png
[04:42] <jsgotangco> nice ponies
[04:42] <tuxmaniac> HAve the bug triaging started for 6.06
[04:42] <tuxmaniac> :-)
[04:42] <bddebian> Don't you feel dirty running non-Free software on a Free OS? :-)
[04:42] <bddebian> tuxmaniac: No we still have bugs from Warty out there :-)
[04:43] <tuxmaniac> bddebian: heh
[04:43] <jsgotangco> it has a start button
[04:43] <imbrandon> bddebian, the only non free software i run is photoshop and as soon as someone ( i'm not qualified ) decides as i do that gimp dont cut it and makes something better i'll keep running ps ;)
[04:43] <jsgotangco> ps is very expensive :/
[04:44] <imbrandon> jsgotangco, yea dont you love my kde theme ;)
[04:44] <imbrandon> jsgotangco, yes i payed ~700$ usd
[04:44] <imbrandon> for ps
[04:44] <jsgotangco> ugghh
[04:44] <jsgotangco> well i guess its worth for most people who use it
[04:45] <imbrandon> very much so, i would be happy to use gimp if i could get 1) a qt interface 2) an MDI interface
[04:45] <imbrandon> and dont say gimpshop
[04:45] <imbrandon> ;)
[04:46] <crimsun_> hooray, fixed $it
[04:46] <imbrandon> krita comes close but not near as powerfull as even gimp
[04:46] <jsgotangco> for most people,  converting to gimpshop is such a pain
[04:46] <bddebian> crimsun_: What'd you fix now studboy?
[04:47] <crimsun_> moodle
[05:03] <bluefoxicy> besidse
[05:04] <bluefoxicy> I want inline support
[05:06] <bddebian> Damn, I thought I had too much running commentary until you came around bluefoxicy :-)
[05:06] <bluefoxicy> I regularly get +q'd in any channel I'm active in
[05:07] <bluefoxicy> you can't compete with me.
[05:07] <bddebian> Oh I have no desire too thanks :-)
[05:07] <imbrandon> i assume +q is muted ;)
[05:07] <bddebian> +duct-tape
[05:07] <imbrandon> haha
[05:07] <bddebian> Sorry, couldn't resist :-)
[05:07] <bluefoxicy> yeah
[05:08] <bluefoxicy> kinky
[05:08] <bluefoxicy> but i'm not into girls dearie :p
[05:08] <imbrandon> i usaly just idles alot and looks for a channel to turn red becouse someone said his name then checks irc
[05:08] <bddebian> Hobbsee is a girl d00d
[05:09] <bluefoxicy> oh come on it wasn't THAT bad.
[05:11] <imbrandon> bluefoxicy, but still not approperate, even as lax as *-motu is , its still not *-offtopic and i dont think it would be in there either IMO
[05:11] <Hobbsee> bluefoxicy: and you wonder why you get +q'd a lot....
[05:12] <bluefoxicy> imbrandon:  hey she duct taped me
[05:12] <bluefoxicy> I was perfectly on topic with the snort thing
[05:12] <bluefoxicy> I think.
[05:13] <imbrandon> i was talking about *kinky* but lets drop it for the sake of it dosent belong here ;)
[05:13] <bluefoxicy> oh
[05:13] <bluefoxicy> Well she duct taped me!  :P
[05:13] <bluefoxicy> Anyway
[05:13] <imbrandon> anyhow yes snort was ontopic etc etc etc
[05:13] <imbrandon> lets move on .......
[05:13] <Hobbsee> cut the sex talk, or i'll +m you.
[05:14] <Hobbsee> er...+b you, i mean.
[05:14] <bluefoxicy> I wonder what snort 2.6 uses for inlining these days
[05:14] <imbrandon> wth is snort anyhow ? like sed ?
[05:14] <bluefoxicy> no
[05:15] <bluefoxicy> snort is a network.. daemon.. thing, kind of... that sits on the network and picks up all traffic and anylizes it for attacks
[05:15] <bluefoxicy> it used to be a simple intrusion detection system and packet sniffer (hence why it's a network daemon thing and not a side app like ethereal)
[05:16] <bluefoxicy> but since 2.3 it's had an inline module that lets it actually stop attacks from reaching the applications they're destined for.
[05:16] <bluefoxicy> so i.e. you could have apache, gaim, or mozilla pick up a connection, someone sends a malformed jpeg or URL or something to pop up a buffer overflow and get a remote shell
[05:17] <bluefoxicy> snort sees the attack, notices it's ... an attack, and drops the associated packets.
[05:17] <bluefoxicy> Attacking host (due to tcp/ip design) will keep trying to resend for error correction for a bit, but it's hopeless really; after a few seconds the connection times out.
[05:18] <bluefoxicy> intrusion prevention systems are a really nice concept.  Reactive stuff, like anti-virus, so not really a great deal of usefulness; but the concept is nice.
[05:19] <bluefoxicy> virus signatures tend to be several hours before initial release of a virus; on the other hand, IDS/IPS signatures are several hours behind the release of the initial vulnerability
[05:20] <bluefoxicy> so theoretically you're covered by the time a worm is written or by the time an attacker starts throwing attacks etc; but a fast attacker jumping on the chance (one worm was written and deployed within an hour of associated vulnerability being discovered) or a simple zero day attack will still get you.
[05:20] <bluefoxicy> Additionally, deploying something like Snort with the inline module to work as an IPS on a routing device has the effect of protecting the ENTIRE network segment behind it
[05:22] <bluefoxicy> so an ubuntu-based firewall with snort with inlining with a properly up-to-date rule set would have the effect of protecting every ubuntu, redhat, windows, and MacOSX machine behind it, even if they all had public IPs (think IPv6 and you get a block of IPs)
[05:22] <bluefoxicy> Hence, I find it interesting to try to get inlining working in ubuntu :)
[05:29] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: you staying this time?
[05:30] <Hobbsee> hehe
[05:31] <imbrandon> grr this is getting stupid , brb i'm gonna reboot
[05:35] <Erlang> crimsun_: don't mind kpl.  I'll go throught Debian because of the previous ITP
[05:36] <crimsun_> Erlang: ok
[06:48] <rob> is {$shlibs:Depends} something that is frequently used on the depends line of the control file?
[07:02] <LaserJock> rob: yes
[07:02] <rob> ah, thanks LaserJock
[07:03] <LaserJock> np
[09:18] <kelmo> gday
[09:19] <siretart> hey kelmo!
[09:19] <siretart> kelmo: many thanks for your patches!
[09:19] <kelmo> siretart: do they need to be substantiated by a bug report to be used?
[09:20] <siretart> kelmo: no, I need to include them in the request to mdz
[09:20] <kelmo> siretart: cool
[09:20] <siretart> pointers to existing bugs would have been okay  as well, therefore I asked
[09:20] <kelmo> it was only recently that I found those blunders
[09:21] <siretart> ok
[09:21] <kelmo> and they were found by me, so no bug report was made
[09:21] <kelmo> who would I report it to? ;-)
[09:22] <siretart> kelmo: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/wpasupplicant/+filebug
[09:23] <kelmo> arg, registration
[09:25] <kelmo> siretart: okay, just received you last mail. seems i overlooked the fact about openssl linkage
[09:26] <siretart> yes, you'll need a launchpad account for nearly anything in ubuntu, including membership, ship-it, forums, bugreporting..
[09:27] <kelmo> well, i may as well get shipit to post me some cd's while i am at it
[09:28] <kelmo> i've not looked at ubuntu before, and I know it has some goodies I would like to investigate
[09:29] <siretart> kelmo: see inbox
[09:32] <kelmo> siretart: thanks for that
[09:33] <siretart> I have to thank you for the patch :)
[09:34] <siretart> anyway, I'm afk. cu later
[09:34] <lifeless> morning
[09:34] <kelmo> later, have a good day
[09:34] <kelmo> hi lifeless
[10:21] <phanatic> morning
[10:21] <Gloubiboulga> hey phanatic :)
[10:21] <phanatic> heya Gloubiboulga :)
[11:07] <Toadstool> hi everybody
[11:39] <imbrandon64> heya Toadstool
[11:39] <Toadstool> hi imbrandon64
[11:43] <imbrandon64> Hobbsee: one bad thing about the new 64 is kbfx dont run right , thus no windows theme for me yet ;) looks like i'll have to patch it once i find out whats wrong
[11:43] <imbrandon64> lol
[11:43] <Hobbsee> imbrandon64: ah...
[11:44] <imbrandon64> BUT its blazin fast
[11:44] <imbrandon64> ;)
[11:44] <Hobbsee> :)
[11:53] <imbrandon64> Sysinfo for 'birdofprey': Linux 2.6.15-23-amd64-generic running KDE 3.5.3, CPU: AMDAthlon643400+ at 1002 MHz (2006 bogomips), , RAM: 609/687MB, 111 proc's, 2.2h up
[11:53] <imbrandon64> there we Hobbsee 353 ;)
[11:53] <Hobbsee> imbrandon64: much better :P
[11:54] <imbrandon64> there we go*
[01:59] <zakame> hi all
[02:00] <Hobbsee> hey zakame
[02:08] <zakame> heya Hobbsee
[02:22] <ajmitch> ok, another couple of quick packages thrown together
[02:24] <Hobbsee> yay :)
[02:27] <zakame> hmm what's the lightest notebook under 2 lbs?
[02:27] <ajmitch> probably an actual book?
[02:27] <ajmitch> eg I've got mono developer's notebook (part of an o'reilly series)
[02:29] <sladen> a second-hand 286 laptop might cost under 2 pounds by now
[02:29] <ajmitch> 2lb weight
[02:29] <ajmitch> the 'surprise present' from google
[02:30] <ajmitch> and I doubt you could pay someone 2 pounds to take away a 286 laptop
[02:30] <zakame> aj	bingo, got the notice
[02:31] <ajmitch> yes, I got an email tonight as well :)
[02:36] <zakame> its highly unlikely that it be a sony vaio 505 or a toshiba libretto u100, right? :)
[02:37] <ajmitch> extremely
[02:37] <zakame> anyhow brb dinner :D
[02:38] <zakame> 1/wind 1
[03:07] <mvirkkil> Is there any recent mercurial package for dapper?
[03:14] <mvirkkil> The current version has been the same since hoary.
[03:15] <Hobbsee> mvirkkil: not by now, but we can have a new one in edgy...
[03:15] <mvirkkil> ubuntu has 0.7, while 0.9 is in debian unstable.
[03:15] <mvirkkil> Hobbsee: That would be very nice.
[03:15] <Hobbsee> mvirkkil: what's the latest upstream?
[03:15] <mvirkkil> Hobbsee: 0.9.x iirc
[03:16] <Hobbsee> er, i think if it's in debian unstable, it should get synced over automatically...
[03:16] <mvirkkil> Hobbsee: Well, afaic, it didn't for dapper
[03:16] <mvirkkil> Hence, dapper still at 0.7
[03:16] <Hobbsee> hmmm...that's what just occured to me.
[03:16] <ajmitch> because 0.8 wasn't uploaded to debian until after upstream version freeze for dapper
[03:17] <mvirkkil> ajmitch: ok.
[03:17] <ajmitch> so it wasn't synced
[03:17] <Hobbsee> gah.  cant type quick enough, that's what i was next going to ask
[03:17] <ajmitch> and noone requested it be upgraded
[03:17] <Hobbsee> they've jumped 2 versions, since UVF?
[03:17] <ajmitch> yes
[03:17] <mvirkkil> It's a shame. Moinmoin uses mercurial and they are recommending me to use mercurial 0.8 or newer.. I'm working on moinmoin for my soc.
[03:17] <ajmitch> bzr has moved just as fast
[03:17] <Hobbsee> ah ok
[03:18] <ajmitch> it could possibly go into dapper-backports in the future
[03:18] <ajmitch> but I'm not sure when that's opening up :)
[03:18] <ajmitch> and you'll want to do your soc project asap
[03:18] <mvirkkil> Hmm.. Could I interest anyone in creating a backport of it for dapper? I could offer to add some feature to moin in exchange ;) Fixing someone's pet-peewee.
[03:19] <siretart> ajmitch: dapper-backports should already be open for direct uploads
[03:19] <ajmitch> siretart: that's good
[03:19] <ajmitch> siretart: open for core-dev uploads yet?
[03:19] <siretart> mvirkkil: in order to 'backport', we would need a package to be backported
[03:19] <mvirkkil> ajmitch: I did something a bit silly, and forced the installation of a deb compiled against a newer version of libc. Not the safest thing to do, I know.
[03:19] <ajmitch> the package to be packported is in sid
[03:20] <siretart> ajmitch: yes, this was decided at the last TB meeting at last
[03:20] <ajmitch> I saw it was decided, I didn't know if it was implemented :)
[03:20] <siretart> ajmitch: I don't know how launchpad is behaving currently
[03:20] <ajmitch> noone really does
[03:20] <siretart> nobody has tried yet ;)
[03:20] <mvirkkil> siretart: Perhaps backporting the one in debian unstable?
[03:21] <ajmitch> backporting from edgy would be preferable, since we wouldn't want to do an upload, but a sync across
[03:21] <siretart> right
[03:21] <ajmitch> it's all a conspiracy to promote bzr
[03:21] <siretart> the policy is that we only upload if we really need to modify the source
[03:23] <mvirkkil> I'd me much obliged if someone would do this :) I'm not sure what I could offer in exchange?
[03:24] <havoc> morning everyone
[03:27] <mvirkkil> oh, well. It was worth a shot...
[03:28] <Hobbsee> hmmm...sleep...
[03:28] <havoc> ajmitch: night night :)
[03:41] <mvirkkil> hmm.. ok, so how would I go about backporting the package myself? Download debian src files? (I'm working on a 650MHz laptop with 128MB of ram)
[03:42] <mvirkkil> Or is this the wrong channel to ask?
[03:46] <siretart> mvirkkil: no, this channel is okay
[03:47] <siretart> mvirkkil: I'd suggest that you setup either sbuild or pbuilder, see SbuildHowto or PbuilderHowto how to set them up
[03:47] <siretart> mvirkkil: in principle, you download the source package (.dsc, .diff.gz and .orig.tar.gz) and tell either sbuild or pbuilder the .dsc
[03:50] <mvirkkil> siretart: Ok. There's no way I could convince you to do it for me? Free beer on your next visit to finland?
[03:50] <havoc> I'd give them all free beer anyway ;)
[03:50] <siretart> mvirkkil: ;)
[03:51] <siretart> just a sek
[03:52] <mvirkkil> havoc: You live in Finland?
[03:52] <havoc> no
[03:52] <havoc> the states, but I'd still give people free beer when they visit
[03:53] <havoc> in fact I *do* give people free beer :)
[03:53] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:53] <havoc> chillywilly knows ;)
[03:53] <Hobbsee> what's people's attraction with free beer anyway?
[03:53] <mvirkkil> I was away last summer during debconf, couldn't buy anyone anything..
[03:53] <havoc> um, it's beer, and it's free?
[03:54] <tseng> alcohol--
[03:54] <mvirkkil> Personally I prefer free t-shirts, but then again noone ows me anything..
[03:55] <mvirkkil> I'm currently personally in debt to a few hackers...
[03:55] <siretart> mvirkkil: amd64 or i386?
[03:55] <mvirkkil> siretart: i386
[03:56] <siretart> gnarf.. one more time..
[03:56] <slomo> isn't mercurial arch all?
[03:56] <mvirkkil> slomo: I think it has some c-stuff
[03:56] <siretart> slomo: no :/
[03:56] <mvirkkil> slomo: it's like 90% python, but some stuff are in c for speed.
[03:57] <slomo> ah ok
[03:57] <mvirkkil> afaic
[03:58] <slomo> mvirkkil: btw, what project are you working on and who's your mentor? :)
[03:59] <mvirkkil> slomo: I'm working on docbook<->moin stuff
[03:59] <mvirkkil> slomo: My mentor is Karsten Wade from the fedora project.
[04:00] <siretart> mvirkkil: http://siretart.tauware.de/dapper-mercurial
[04:00] <mvirkkil> siretart: Thanks!
[04:01] <siretart> :) - I told you, it isn't that complicated ;)
[04:01] <mvirkkil> siretart: do you live anywhere near heidelberg?
[04:01] <Hobbsee> siretart: where'd you grab the source from?  straight from debian?
[04:03] <siretart> Hobbsee: apt-get source in a sid chroot
[04:03] <Hobbsee> siretart: yeah, thought so
[04:03] <siretart> mvirkkil: for some definition of 'near': I live in nuernberg
[04:03] <jpatrick> Hobbsee: I have 15
[04:03] <Hobbsee> haha
[04:04] <jpatrick> nah just 2
[04:04] <siretart> hoary, breezy, dapper, sid, each amd64 and i386. for home use it's okay..
[04:04] <siretart> ;)
[04:04] <Hobbsee> ouchy!
[04:05] <siretart> it isn't that bad
[04:06] <havoc> bddebian: hello
[04:06] <Hobbsee> hey bddebian
[04:06] <bddebian> Heya gang
[04:06] <bddebian> Hi havoc, Hobbsee
[04:06] <mvirkkil> siretart: I owe you one.
[04:07] <siretart> mvirkkil: next time in finnland ;)
[04:07] <siretart> mvirkkil: why do you ask about heidelberg?
[04:08] <bddebian> Heya siretart
[04:08] <mvirkkil> siretart: I have a friend who lives in hidelberg. I could have organized for your free beer through her ;)
[04:09] <siretart> huhu bddebian!
[04:09] <siretart> mvirkkil: hehe :)
[04:10] <mvirkkil> siretart: But yeah, next time in finland :)
[04:10] <siretart> mvirkkil: but you could do me a favor anyway: could you please file a bug about mercurial to backport it to dapper-updates, say that you tested my binary package, it was okay in dapper, subscribe ubuntu-backports and assign it to me?
[04:11] <mvirkkil> siretart: ok, I'll try to figure out how to do that :O)
[04:21] <lukaswayne9> I've uploaded my package fceu-server to the REVU with dput, but I don't see it in the REVU.  Is this normal?
[04:29] <phanatic> lukaswayne9: you have to wait for a while (5-10mins) until it appears there
[04:30] <lukaswayne9> phanatic: Alright, this is my first time doing this, I wanted to make sure I was doing it right
[04:30] <lukaswayne9> phanatic: thanks :)
[04:30] <phanatic> it's already there btw :)
[04:31] <mvirkkil> siretart: Hopefully I didn't mess up: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/mercurial/+bug/49261
[04:31] <Ubug2> Malone bug 49261 in mercurial "Backport a more recent version to dapper-updates" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] 
[04:31] <mvirkkil> wow :)
[04:32] <siretart> great :)
[04:33] <lukaswayne9> phanatic: oh great!
[04:33] <lukaswayne9> what's the policy on getting ubuntu universe packages into debian?
[04:34] <siretart> lukaswayne9: you need a debian maintainer to care for
[04:35] <bddebian> And an act of God ;-P
[04:35] <bddebian> j/k
[04:35] <lukaswayne9> :-P
[04:36] <lukaswayne9> are there many packages in universe but not debian?
[04:38] <siretart> lukaswayne9: currently about 550 packages: http://tiber.tauware.de/~lucas/versions/unimultiverse-outdated-debian.html
[04:39] <bddebian> eeks :-)
[04:39] <lukaswayne9> Is there an organized effort to putting them in debian as well?  By debian or ubuntu?
[04:40] <tseng> lukaswayne9: it is called utnubu
[04:40] <tseng> debian developers to pull new ubuntu packages into debian
[04:40] <tseng> some teams, like debian-mono have members from both sides
[04:41] <tseng> and we just work together to start with
[04:41] <lukaswayne9> oh, i see
[04:41] <lukaswayne9> that's good to hear :)
[04:42] <lukaswayne9> Now that I've uploaded my first package, I just wait for someone to review it and move it to universe?
[04:46] <jose> Hello
[04:47] <jose> I am the developer of gnomecatalog
[04:47] <jose> i had upload gnomecatalog to motu
[04:48] <jose> two months ago. nobody still have review it
[04:48] <Hobbsee> jose: two months ago, we were still in UVF and feature freeze, so nothing on REVU would get into dapper.
[04:48] <Hobbsee> it should get into edgy though
[04:48] <jose> ahh.. ok
[04:48] <jose> i have to wait ? it isnt?
[04:49] <jose> Thanks hobbsee..
[04:49] <jose> i hope to see gnomecatalog in edgy
[04:56] <zakame> back
[04:56] <Toadstool> heya everybody
[04:57] <zakame> hi Toadstool
[04:57] <Toadstool> hey zakame
[04:59] <Toadstool> jose: you should upload a new version of gnomecatalog with 0.2.5-0ubuntu1 instead of 0.2.5-ubuntu1 and dapper replaced by edgy in your debian/changelog file
[05:00] <jose> thanks toadstool i'll do it..
[05:00] <Toadstool> and you can safely remove the other changelog entries as the package is not released yet and they're not that important imho
[05:01] <Toadstool> and last but not least i'm currently packaging mmpython ;)
[05:01] <Toadstool> see http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2388
[05:02] <jose> cool i use it ..
[05:03] <Toadstool> hum you should also use a compatibility level of 5 now
[05:04] <Toadstool> that is 5 in debian/compat and debhelper (>= 5.0.0) in debian/control
[05:04] <jose> ok
[05:05] <jose> i am trying to do this weekend
[05:05] <Toadstool> ok :)
[05:10] <lukaswayne9> I'm new to Debian packaging, and I've just uploaded my first package to the REVU.  If anyone has has some spare time, I would really appreciate if they could look over my package and let me know how it could be improved.  The package name is fceu-server.  Thanks!
[05:11] <Hobbsee> lukaswayne9: nothing can be uploaded to edgy yet anyway - repos arent open properly yet
[05:11] <lukaswayne9> oh, alright
[05:12] <Toadstool> lukaswayne9: which package?
[05:12] <Toadstool> ah yes sorry
[05:16] <lukaswayne9> Toadstool: It's alright, I do it all the time :)
[05:16] <Toadstool> ;)
[05:17] <Sp4rKy> hi MOTUs
[05:27] <bmonty> morning everyone
[05:27] <Sp4rKy> morning !!! I just came back from work :/
[05:28] <Hobbsee> evening
[05:30] <bddebian> Heya bmonty, Sp4rKy
[05:30] <Sp4rKy> hey bddebian
[05:30] <Hobbsee> night bddebian
[05:31] <Sp4rKy> how are you ?
[05:31] <bddebian> Fine thanks, you?
[05:31] <bddebian> Gnight Hobbsee
[05:31] <bddebian> or whoever you are ;-P
[05:31] <Hobbsee> hehe
[05:31] <Hobbsee> @time sydney
[05:32] <Ubug2> Current time in Australia/Sydney: June 11 2006, 01:32:01
[05:32] <Sp4rKy> bddebian, fine too :) i'm finishing my first packages :)
[05:32] <Hobbsee> darn.  my clock does not lie.
[05:32] <bmonty> well it is morning here.  I'm only on my second cup of coffee
[05:32] <bmonty> hi bddebian
[05:32] <bmonty> @time US/Central
[05:32] <Ubug2> Current time in US/Central: June 10 2006, 10:32:39
[05:32] <bmonty> Ubug2 is off by a couple of seconds :)
[05:33] <Hobbsee> hehe
[05:35] <Hobbsee> that doesnt help much
[05:40] <G0SUB> @time Asia/Calcutta
[05:40] <Ubug2> Current time in Asia/Calcutta: June 10 2006, 21:10:57
[05:41] <mvirkkil> @time Finland/Helsinki
[05:41] <mvirkkil> @time Europa/Finland/Helsinki
[05:43] <bmonty> oh great, now you broke it!
[05:43] <mvirkkil> lol
[05:43] <G0SUB> bmonty: no, those time zones are wrong
[05:43] <tseng> @time US/Eastern
[05:43] <Ubug2> Current time in US/Eastern: June 10 2006, 11:43:34
[05:43] <bddebian> heh
[05:43] <bmonty> G0SUB: yes, I know
[05:43] <mvirkkil> G0SUB: I don't think he was serious
[05:43] <G0SUB> mvirkkil: heh, but I was (a bit) :)
[06:04] <jose> hi
[06:04] <jose> i have uploaded a new version of gnomecatalog for edgy
[06:41] <bockman> hi crimsun_, i was wondering if you were making any headway on the openvpn bug in Breezy/Hoary?  (Bug #45827)
[06:41] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 45827 in openvpn "openvpn old security problems (Breezy)" [Medium,In progress]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/45827
[06:43] <bluefoxicy> I still need one more MOTU advocating pax-utils on REVU, if anyone has time to take a look?
[06:46] <bluefoxicy> tseng: /join #xiph
[06:46] <bluefoxicy> er
[06:46] <bluefoxicy> tseng:  ignore that
[07:25] <brandon_> i installed an app from source and now i'd like to make a deb, but fakerrot debina/dules binary won't work because the directory doesn't have a "debian" folder. the program is installed though
[07:25] <brandon_> sorry, that was "fakeroot debian/rules binary"
[07:28] <Erlang> brandon_: non need to make the rules file yourself.
[07:28] <Erlang> if it's not there.
[07:29] <brandon_> sicne there's no debian folder, that means the deb would have no control file, no scripts etc.
[07:29] <brandon_> Erlang: i don't need the rules file?
[07:29] <Erlang> eer
[07:29] <Erlang> sorry it's a typo
[07:30] <Erlang> YOU need to make the rules file yourself.
[07:30] <Erlang> and the control file
[07:30] <Erlang> and such.
[07:30] <brandon_> well, that's a shock
[07:30] <Erlang> It can be very easy or very hard depending on the package.
[07:31] <brandon_> maybe i'll just write up a control file that gives me credit for the app, since the developer didn't bother to take it
[07:31] <Erlang> well, technically, there is nothing keeping your from doing that, but that'd be dishonnest
[07:31] <brandon_> i'm just mad that the guy didn't bother to do it
[07:32] <brandon_> where am i supposed to look for dependencies and such?
[07:32] <Erlang> you should be glad that he is actually spending time working on the program .
[07:32] <Erlang> brandon_: It's supposed to be in the README file or the ./configure script might tell you what's missing.
[07:34] <Erlang> brandon_: check the packaging guide: http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html
[07:41] <Erlang> hahah
[07:42] <Erlang> oops wrong
[07:54] <brandon_> Erlang: i'm getting an error because the control file has some syntax problem. it says "continued value line not in field"
[07:57] <Erlang> erm.  you should check the control file syntax then.  I need to go away
[10:01] <rave_> whats the paste bin again
[10:02] <havoc> pastebin.com ?
[10:02] <rave_> no its defunctional atm
[10:02] <rave_> there is a
[10:02] <havoc> rafb.net/paste/ is another one
[10:02] <rave_> pastebin.ubuntusomething.ocm
[10:02] <havoc> ah
[10:02] <rave_> ty havoc
[10:03] <rave_> i always loved you
[10:03] <johnnymast> :)
[10:03] <LaserJock> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/
[10:09] <rave_> i did something bad
[10:09] <johnnymast> i coded in C when i wanted C++ :(
[10:09] <johnnymast> http://rafb.net/paste/results/CU86P486.html
[11:57] <bddebian> Heya gang
[11:57] <crimsun_> 'lo bddebian
[11:57] <bddebian> Hi crimsun_
[11:58] <LaserJock> hi bddebian
[11:58] <bddebian> Heya LaserJock
[12:02] <bluefoxicy> tseng:  can you give me a heads up on anything I need to do for http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2392 or give me a second advocate if it looks good?
[12:02] <bmonty> hi everyone
[12:02] <crimsun_> 'lo bmonty
[12:02] <LaserJock> hi bmonty!