=== P3L|C4N0 [n=sopmac@201.230.1.232] has joined #edubuntu === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #edubuntu === JaneW [n=JaneW@dsl-146-167-152.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu === mhz_cooking is now known as mhz === mhz is now known as mhz_relogin === mhz [n=mhz@moinmoin/fan/mhz] has joined #edubuntu === Meshezabeel [n=Kevin@142-165-231-37.prna.hsdb.sasknet.sk.ca] has joined #edubuntu [02:21] Can I ask if I can ask a question? [02:22] you're supposed to ask the question first since it depends on the question ;-) [02:23] :) [02:27] hhehe [02:28] yeah, just shoot (but not 'us') [02:29] lol [02:31] "I shot tha sheriff..." [02:31] Meshezabeel: so? what is it? [02:32] LaserJock: do yo knw how to recover a ssh key? [02:32] (from public key) [02:37] hmm, I wouldn't think that would work [02:37] would kinda defeat the purpose [02:39] hmm [02:39] then, I am just screwed? 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I'm on the rom-o-matic website to pick a ROM that I can use for my laptop's PCMCIA ethernet card. So I can use it as a thin client to test Edubuntu. [10:44] I don't know what card to pick, there are no markings. Is there a pcmcia equivalent to lsmod? [10:45] lspci sorry === DanielC doesn't really know what lsmod does. === DanielC figures out that lsmod is for Linux kernel modules [10:48] I wish there was an lspmcia just like there is an lspci and an lsusb. === Yagisan [n=jamie@60-240-85-239-nsw-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has joined #edubuntu [11:03] Does anyone know how I can find card information for a pcmcia card? (something like lspci but for pcmcia would be nice). === highvoltage [n=jono@ubuntu/member/highvoltage] has joined #edubuntu === mode/#edubuntu [+o highvoltage] by ChanServ [11:08] i have no idea about pmcia, sorry [11:08] :( [11:08] There has to be a way to figure out what type of pcmcia card I have. [11:08] DanielC: if you want to test it you can also burn a rom-o-matic iso and burn it on cd [11:08] and boot it on your laptop [11:09] spacey: But there are a hundred possible ROMs there. [11:09] oh yeah [11:10] does it show up in dmesg? [11:11] I see several instances of 'pcmcia' but none which are revealing. [11:11] pmcia: parent pci bridge I/0 window: 0x2000 - 0x2fff [11:11] Things like that. [11:11] i never had a pcmcia nic so no idea [11:11] pmcia [11:12] I thought that pcmcia and pci were totally different things, why does it have a "parent pci bridge"? [11:13] i guess it hooked up on pci, but not sure, look it up in wikipedia :) [11:13] :) [11:58] Help. I can't boot my thin client. It starts booting and you see the Ubuntu splash screen and all but after a few moments it goes back to the text terminal and says: [11:58] Ip-Config: eth0 hardware address 00:0b:6a:55:e9:ca mtu 1500 DHCP RARP [11:58] And it just stays there, doing nothing. [11:59] The line above that simply says "Uncompressing Linux... Ok, booting kernel" [12:01] DanielC: is the dhcp server running? [12:02] Yes. [12:02] The client can even download a Linux kernel from the server and start booting it. [12:03] I just figured that it dies at the "Mounting root file system" step. [12:07] I guess that the problem must be at the server, in the directory /opt/ltsp/i386 [12:07] Looks like the ltsp client system is broken. === B4zzA [n=chevron_@l2-202-89-175-55.arach.net.au] has joined #edubuntu === juliux [n=juliux@ubuntu/member/juliux] has joined #edubuntu === Rondom [n=Rondom@mrbg-d9b964dd.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #edubuntu === B4zzA [n=chevron_@l2-202-89-175-55.arach.net.au] has joined #edubuntu === Rondom_ [n=Rondom@mrbg-d9b953bc.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #edubuntu === Ron_o [n=ron@12-226-8-217.client.mchsi.com] has joined #edubuntu === cbx33 [n=pete@ubuntu/member/cbx33] has joined #edubuntu [02:26] afternooooooon all ! === cbx33 [n=pete@ubuntu/member/cbx33] has joined #edubuntu [02:42] cbx33: G'day [02:43] hey Yagisan [02:43] howz it going [02:44] how are your daughters fingers === zver4e [n=madness@83.228.47.22] has joined #edubuntu [02:46] cbx33: she's getting better. having trouble using her hand. === zver4e [n=madness@83.228.47.22] has left #edubuntu [] [02:46] but no broken bones? [02:47] nope. just a bloody mess [02:47] eeek [02:47] what are you up to today? [02:47] package updates [02:47] oh? [02:47] deng? [02:48] and I'd like to make a trailer for deng [02:48] yep === cbx33 is working on gisomount [02:48] 1GB+ of data packs to update [02:48] yikes [02:48] i won;t download them yet then [02:48] yeah :( [02:48] cbx33: on dapper yet ? [02:48] yes [02:49] good. as the com out you can download them [02:49] s/the com/they come [02:53] Yagisan, when i try to upgrade deng [02:53] from brezzy to dapper [02:53] it keeps the package back [02:53] so when i do apt-get install deng [02:54] I think I'm gping to have to reinstall the packages again [02:55] cbx33: odd [02:55] cbx33: deng is beta4 in dapper, and beta3 in breezy [02:55] hmm [02:56] can you give me the list of essential packages again? [02:56] actually nevermind [03:01] cbx33: heh we are calculating our userbase of deng after a windows user bitched about *nix support [03:02] cbx33: we ran the numbers, and well as far as we can tell, we may have more *NIX users then Win32. http://forums.newdoom.com/showthread.php?t=30565&page=3 [03:02] cbx33: heh heh - I should propose dropping Win32 [03:02] >:) [03:05] Yagisan, I'm experiencing worse performance on dapper? [03:05] :S [03:06] cbx33: that's not good :( theres no change from the svn that you were sent [03:06] I never tried that [03:07] I've been running on breezy [03:07] i just upgraded to beta4 [03:07] i only updated the deng package [03:07] the others were installer packages [03:07] which I don;t need to i? [03:08] cbx33: shouldn't need them. they need some love though [03:09] what do you think I should try [03:09] i was playing map downtown [03:09] and the next one [03:09] I'm getting tonnes of lag [03:10] cbx33: that is really odd === pygi [n=pygi@83-131-235-19.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu [03:11] hey pygi [03:11] want me to try anything [03:11] can i get an fps or something [03:11] cbx33, what do you mean? [03:11] I'm gonna uninstall completely and reinstlall [03:11] sorry pygi talking to Yagisan [03:11] AH oki :) [03:13] cbx33: in the control panel it has an otion to show the fps [03:13] ok === juliux [n=juliux@ubuntu/member/juliux] has joined #edubuntu [03:14] cbx33: it doesn't like wide open areas with heap of monsters [03:14] cbx33: that is lag city [03:16] hmmm [03:16] but it ran pretty much ok on breezy version [03:16] oh and sky is still broken [03:18] cbx33: send me a screenie + Doomsday.out [03:18] ok [03:18] hang on === Rondom_ [n=Rondom@mrbg-d9b953d1.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #edubuntu [03:19] cbx33: I've never reproduced a broken sky error though [03:21] how can i confirm which version I'm running [03:25] cbx33: press ~ it should say in the console [03:26] 1.9.0-beta4 [03:26] hi cbx33 [03:26] hey juliux [03:27] Yagisan, I sent you an email [03:27] it says Giles but it shuld be Files [03:30] cbx33: WTF! [03:31] eh? [03:31] cbx33: that pic! [03:31] yeh screwed up eh? [03:32] it's like in the old doom when you used to build levels and forgot to apply a texture to the sky [03:32] cbx33: yeah, biy it has "MISSING" on all missing textures in deng [03:32] s/biy/but [03:33] ahh [03:33] cbx33: so the error is somewhere else. I usually use full models and skuboxes, but you've got none of that [03:34] nope [03:34] did you see my frame rate [03:34] :( [03:35] 21 :( [03:37] Yagisan, this is on a laptop [03:37] but it should be ok [03:40] cbx33: 21 is ok. ideally you don't want less then 35 [03:40] cbx33: because that is the internal clock. 35hz for doom [03:40] ah === highvoltage [n=jono@mtngprs7.mtn.co.za] has joined #edubuntu === mode/#edubuntu [+o highvoltage] by ChanServ === jinty [n=jinty@242.Red-83-49-54.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #edubuntu [03:50] hey highvoltage [03:54] hey cbx33 [03:54] howz it going [03:55] telnet ascii-wm.net 2006 [03:55] ehg.. just one of those days. [03:57] how are you mr cbx33? [03:57] I'm fine highvoltage how are you [03:58] feeling like i can't catch up with work, but otherwise ok. [03:58] lucasvo, then what :p [03:58] oh y is that? [04:00] heh@ascii wm live [04:03] when is the next play? [04:06] no idea [04:06] what is it? [04:07] cbx33: ascii tennis :) [04:07] niederlande is play8ing [04:08] cooool [04:09] lucasvo, anyway to increase the res? [04:09] hhehe [04:09] no [04:10] aww, that sux [04:11] cbx33: append vga=791 ;) [04:12] hang on [04:12] where? === highvoltage hangs on [04:12] on the command line? [04:12] :S [04:12] cbx33: yes, just a joke. (appending vga=791 increases your VT resolution to 1024x768) [04:13] oh [04:13] cbx33: but you can also set your terminal font smaller :) === cbx33 didn't get and now feels stupid [04:13] I already did that [04:13] but It's still too difficult to see [04:13] heh, don't feel stupid === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #edubuntu [04:37] Help: The thin client starts booting but stops at the "Mounting root filesystem" step. [04:38] I take it to mean that the problem is in /opt/ltsp/i386 [04:38] But I don't know what to do to make that filesystem mount correctly. [04:39] The client doesn't give any errors. It just stops booting. I checked /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/fstab and I only saw the /proc filesystem listed. Is that normal? [04:40] DanielC: is nfs running? [04:40] dunno [04:40] How do I check that? [04:41] try to start it with: [04:41] sudo /etc/init.d/nfs-kernel-server start [04:41] sudo /etc/init.d/portmap start === DanielC checks === DanielC reboots the client [04:43] No change :( [04:44] DanielC: do you have a firewall? [04:44] On Edubuntu? Not that I know of. This is a vanilla install. [04:45] Standard Edubuntu --> switch --> thin client [04:45] no firewall in default nor open ports if you've isntalled workstation [04:45] I did start out with a workstation install and then 'apt-get edubuntu-server'. [04:54] brb [05:06] cbx33: I suspect your mirror effect is related the the other opengl issues I'm hunting down [05:07] back [05:07] Does anyone know how to mount the LTSP root file system from the command line? === mhz [n=mhz@moinmoin/fan/mhz] has joined #edubuntu [05:08] I just connected my laptop to the network served by the Edubuntu server. It received an IP and I can ping the server. [05:08] cool [05:08] So next I want to try the nfs mount step, and hopefully get a meaningful error message. [05:12] mount 192.168.17.1:/opt/ltsp/i386 /mnt/ltsp [05:13] Btw, I'm using the 192.168.17.x addresses to avoid conflict with the outer network using 192.168.0.x [05:14] Ok, the mount didn't work and this is the error: [05:14] mount: RPC: Timed out [05:15] hmm [05:15] DanielC: sorry I ask (I just got in) but you did use an edubuntu fresh install? [05:16] mhz: I did a "workstation" fresh install and then ran "apt-get install edubuntu-server" and then "ltsp-build-client". [05:16] DanielC: hmm, and you get mounting errors? [05:16] but you do get DHCP server working because you do get IP at the client? [05:17] G'day DanielC, mhz [05:17] mhz: When I boot the thin client, it reaches the point where it says "Mounting root file system" and then it just stops. [05:17] Yagisan: hey bro! Nice to see ya [05:17] hmmm [05:17] mhz: I'm mounting from my laptop so I can get a more meaningful error, and what I got was the time-out. [05:17] DanielC: not sure but.. can you try 'ltsp-update-sshkeys' ? [05:18] (at the server side) [05:18] Yes, DHCP itself is working. I can ping the server, and indeed download a kernel from the client. [05:18] When I try to run edubuntu's live CD, after the initial boot choices it just hangs with a blinking cursor. I md5ed both the iso and the CD..... [05:18] anyone? [05:18] mhz: Ok, give me a minute to run ltsp-update-sshkeys [05:19] DanielC: I assume you are editing /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf NOT /etc/dhcp-server/blabla [05:19] Ron_o: hmm [05:19] Ron_o: you say CD is ok? [05:20] I md5ed it according to the md5 instructions on the Ubuntu wiki. [05:20] md5sum..... | grep ... 'OK$'... [05:20] it came up with no errors. [05:20] Ron_o: and RAM of your pc is? [05:20] 196.. [05:20] and processor? [05:21] PII 350Mhz.. [05:21] Yagisan, think it'll be fixed soon [05:21] Ron_o: AFAIK, and after trying many times, I got same issue with LiveCD's [05:21] cbx33: well, I know it does not appear with the skyboxes on [05:21] mhz: ltsp-update-sshkeys mad no difference. I can't mount from my laptop and the thin client still fails at the mount step. Yes, I've been editing /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf [05:21] Ron_o: LiveCD's with GNOME or XFCE or KDE are too heavy [05:21] bah....skyboxes.... [05:22] naughty naughty Yagisan [05:22] I ran LIveCD with gnome and xfce and has no problem. [05:22] I just don't get it. [05:22] cbx33: actually, for doom, it really helps (covers up problems with broken wads) [05:22] Ron_o: I have always failed with similar hardware, no matter how much ram I use in PII or PIII under 500 MHz [05:22] yeh.... [05:22] OK.. [05:22] that must be it then. [05:22] Ron_o: unless... I use DamnSmall Linux [05:22] Ron_o: not always [05:23] Ron_o: which will give you a nice FLuxbox env. [05:23] Yagisan, we always used to shout at each other for using skyboxes [05:23] but xubuntu worked fine... as did ubuntu liveCD.. [05:23] that's what's so confusing. [05:23] Ron_o: however, if you try booting for installing instead of Live mode, then you can have no problems [05:23] mhz: I don't see any NFS entry in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/fstab, is that normal? All I see is a /proc entry. [05:23] well, I don't really want to install. [05:23] Ron_o: but GNOME is still too heavy [05:23] Gnome is. It's slow, but workable. [05:24] DanielC: let me check my paths [05:24] Ron_o: yeah but Live mode is LOT heavier [05:24] What I wanted it for is my neice coming over and she could use it on my computer.. [05:24] heavy = expensive [05:24] Ron_o: my experience on a P2 233 is livecd is too slow, but a local install is just usable (256MB) [05:24] ok. [05:24] Ron_o: Try installing Xubuntu. It should be faster. [05:24] I'll accept that it's my hardware. I know I'm really out of date. [05:25] Ron_o: hmm, how about installing Edubuntu server to a more resourcefull hardware and have the P3 boor from it via LTSP ? [05:25] mhz, I'll try that. [05:25] thanks. [05:25] Ron_o: xubuntu live cd also failed in a PII of 400 MHz [05:26] well, not failed BUT took 40 minutes to actually start using it :D [05:26] Try Damm Small Linux. It's quite respectable I think. [05:26] Ron_o: I have a Celeron 1 GHz with 256 MB of ram and boot the PII from it [05:27] so my daughter plays Gcompris [05:27] DanielC: yeah, I love DSL [05:27] Ron_o: same PII took about 3 minutes to be rady to work with DSL [05:27] and it was really fast [05:28] I have DSL. I like it but it was a bit much for me when I first got into linux. [05:28] now, maybe not so. [05:28] Ron_o: the problem with the live cd's is, it spends all its time uncompressing the applications etc, so much time that on older systems, it takes ages to run the applications [05:28] Yagisan, that's somewhat true. Knoppix is quite efficient on my system. [05:28] Ron_o: hehehe, yeah, Fluxbox is not so aimed for end-users (but still a bit intuitive) === mhz check his paths for DanielC [05:30] DanielC: so it seems, I only have an entry for /proc [05:30] mhz: ok [05:30] hmm.... [05:31] DanielC: it gets my attention that I have always isntalled edubuntu in the most unusual way [05:31] So the most likely culpit is NFS. For some reason I can't mount over NFS. [05:32] DanielC: I usually get Ubuntu via NetBoot (well, from an Edubuntu server) into my thinlaptop-server. Then, I install edubuntu-server + edubuntu-desktop [05:32] then, buil client, and never had a problem [05:32] Computers don't like me. I always have problems. [05:32] DanielC: nah! [05:32] :D [05:33] DanielC: do you have a router somewhere? [05:33] or only switch or hub [05:33] Just a switch. [05:33] hmm, so no routers conflicting with dhcp from edubuntu [05:34] No, it's just: Edubuntu --> switch --> laptop and the thin client [05:34] dhcp seems fine, I can ping the Edubuntu server. [05:34] DanielC: this may sound not clever, but nay chance you can rebuild client? [05:34] nay = any [05:35] You mean ltsp-build-client ? [05:35] yup [05:35] I'm trying Edubuntu live on my Celeron 366Mhz and I'll see how it goes. It's already gone farther than this system. [05:35] I'm willing to try it. [05:36] but it may not be very useable regardless. :) === DanielC rebuilds client [05:37] Btw, I can even ssh from my laptop to the Edubuntu server. So the problem is not with DHCP. It's NFS. [05:37] Rebuilding the client should not fix a problem with NFS though, should it? [05:38] only Murphy would get an answer for that, DanielC :) [05:44] Hmmm... /etc/hosts.allow doesn't have anything. Is that normal? [05:47] DanielC: yes. hosts.deny is also empty [05:47] Yagisan: Any idea why I wouldn't be able to mount over NFS? [05:48] Yagisan: what would i need to recover a ssh key when I did not back up? [05:48] DanielC: to be honest, not at this moment. [05:48] mhz: urgh. as in disk recovery ? [05:50] Yagisan: nope, as in "I did not back up my .ssh stuff and I need to log in to a server which only allows my ssh key :( " [05:52] mhz: you'd need an act of $DEITY then :( [05:52] ?what? [05:53] mhz: it other words, you are out of luck [05:53] mhz: time to make a new key + backup [05:53] mhz: sorry mate :( [05:54] Yagisan: oh [05:54] Yagisan: the sysadmin will not like that [05:54] Yagisan: I already had lost one the first time ( i had buld it from a cyber cafe...duh!) [05:55] Yagisan: it is me.. I was the fool, so no worries === juliux [n=juliux@ubuntu/member/juliux] has joined #edubuntu [06:21] Could someone help me set Edubuntu to accept remote X connections? I tried: [06:21] iptables -A input -p udp -i eth1 --port 177 -j ACCEPT [06:21] But that gave me the error "No chain/target/match by that name" [06:24] Found it. 'input' should be 'INPUT' (it's case sensitive). === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #edubuntu [06:43] Grrr... could anyone tell me how to open UDP port 177 or TCP port 6000 please? [06:49] DanielC: doe you have a firewall installed? [06:49] or a script loaded [06:49] edubuntu doesn't have that by default [06:50] you only have to check that gdm will it [06:50] [xdmcp] [06:50] Enable=true [06:50] in /etc/X11/gdm/gdm.conf-custom [06:52] you can probably do it in System -> Administration -> login manager as well === DanielC reads [06:54] spacey: This is a default Edubuntu install. No firewall. === mhz is now known as mhz_phone === DanielC takes a look at gdm.conf [06:54] DanielC: then you don't have to open ports in the firewall ;) [06:54] DanielC: make sure you put any changes in gdm.conf-custom and not in gdm.conf itself [06:56] gdm.com-custom looks fine [06:57] I had already enabled it through System > Admin > login manager; but I checked godm.conf-custom and it looks as you say it should. [06:58] I went to System > Admin > Network tools > Port Scan and ran a scan on the server's IP. I didn't see any entry for ports 177 or 6000. [07:00] what about netstat? === DanielC doesn't know what to do with netstat === DanielC runs netstat to see what it does [07:02] netstat shows the ports that are open [07:02] and connections at the moment [07:02] I must be stupid today, I don't see where it says which ports are open. [07:03] try `netstat -ap` [07:03] Proto Recv-Q Send-Q Local Address Foreign Address State PID/Program name [07:03] tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:44544 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN - [07:04] tells you that something listens on 127.0.0.1:44544 [07:04] Ok. === DanielC runs to the server to run netsat === turf_ [n=acp@203.87.191.106] has joined #edubuntu [07:06] DanielC: you want to LTSP.org ltsp? [07:06] *use [07:07] I'd be happy using ltsp, but since that's giving me trouble I'm testing a small thin client box which is not ltsp and instead tries to establish a remote X connection. [07:08] ltsp.org ltsp does the same thing [07:08] thats why i asked [07:08] the ubuntu ltsp is over ssh [07:09] netstat doesn't show either port 177 or 6000 open. [07:09] I don't know how ltsp.org ltsp is different from Edubuntu ltsp. [07:09] like i said, ubuntu ltsp goes over ssh (encrypted) [07:09] ltsp.org ltsp goes with XDMCP [07:10] same you are trying now [07:10] what kind of small thin client box are you using now? [07:11] It's a custom-made box. [07:11] It's a tiny box (4inches x 4 inches x 1 inch) that runs a Linux distribution which establishes a remote X connection through XDMCP. [07:12] its white label? [07:12] It's nice because it's small and silent. [07:12] I don't understand your question :( [07:12] the little box doesn't have a brand? [07:12] The brand is Sumo but you are not likely to have heard of it, it's very new. [07:13] ah ok [07:13] expensive? [07:13] It's from a guy in this town who hopes to sell them. [07:13] we have a few HP ones: http://users.lichtsnel.nl/~spacey/?p=206 [07:13] yes and no: :) the "fair" price for it would be perhaps 40 pounds, but because this guy wants to recoup his investment he is selling them for 175 pounds. [07:13] *click* [07:14] hmm [07:14] the hp ones cost around 200 euro [07:14] excl VAT [07:14] Oh, his boxes look much like that. [07:14] A bit smaller, but much the same. [07:15] the ones we have also have linux on it [07:15] with XFCE [07:15] Do the HP ones work well? Do they work with Edubuntu? [07:15] on the flash card [07:15] but we boot them with PXE [07:15] yes they do, see picture :p [07:16] Well... I guess that want I want to know is if you had to do a lot of fiddling with Edubuntu. Whether it's not the default Edubuntu setup. [07:16] well we use them with ltsp.org ltsp, which needed a few extra parameters in the lts.conf [07:16] but it should work on edubuntu just fine [07:16] Was it hard to do? [07:17] took me half an hour but i guess i have a bit more experience then you [07:17] the thing you have now should work as well [07:17] Ok. [07:17] if you don't get this working you probably run in the same problems with the HP one [07:18] 200 Euros you said... that's a bit cheaper than the one I have here, but not loads cheaper. [07:18] Understood. [07:18] i don't know how much the pound is worth [07:18] also depends where you buy [07:18] and on the quantities i suppose [07:19] ok [07:19] From what you say, I take it that configuring ltsp.conf to use DXMCP is not simple. :( [07:19] if you set up the dhcp server, tftp and nfs correctly you can boot them with PXE [07:19] its nicer then using the onboard flash card linux thingy [07:20]