[12:05] wow, inkscape 4.4pre3 is nifty-doodle [12:06] anyone packaged that yet? [12:08] It's all yours :) [12:09] kwwii: have the found usability yet? :P [12:10] apachelogger: sure, they just hide it behind a key combination [12:10] it is art-emacs [12:10] ah, of course [12:10] by developers, for developers [12:10] but they have crappy new tango icons [12:11] Oo [12:11] bah [12:11] grml [12:11] kwwii: at least better than the old? [12:11] kwwii: shall I make you a package? [12:12] it would be cool for everyone to test it [12:12] it really does have a few improvements [12:12] not in the interface so much, except the palette improvements [12:12] (now it is like corel draw was 15 years ago) [12:13] the node handling is better [12:13] lol [12:13] mem-usage reduced? [12:13] hehe, don't get too expectant [12:13] it is like, they take the idea of packaging for mac and then apply it to linux [12:14] oioi [12:19] the biggest problem I see with inkscape still is the level of accuracy of the algorithms used to work with paths [12:20] just make a rounded box, with equal rounding on both sides, and then outset it [12:20] it looses everything...almost looks comical [12:22] funny as hell is that in the preferences every number is listed to the 4th decimal point [12:22] like it is that accurate [12:47] What on earth is gtk+-2.0? [12:49] gtk+ in development snapshot 2.0 :P [12:49] Apparently FIrefox Bon Echo needs it... is it in reops? [12:50] hopefully, gtk+ 2.0 is not the newest I think [12:50] Ah... I think i found it.... [12:50] though I'm not very up-to-date concerning gnome stuffed animals ;-) [12:50] lol [12:50] ohh i like dapper's adept... === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:54] really, building inkscape takes far too long [12:57] :p [12:57] yeah, that is what I thought too [12:57] when you asked, I was happily surprised :-) === imbrandon [n=brandon@ubuntu/member/imbrandon] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:21] What's a moc preprocessor? [01:21] Apparently I don't have one... [01:31] Ugh moc :-( [01:32] bddebian: What? do you know what it is? [01:33] I don't know much about it but have seen it in a few packages [01:33] Bon Echo's configure script says i need one. [01:35] neoncode: I believe it's part of Qt [01:35] try qt3-dev-tools [01:35] Or qt4-dev if the packages uses qt4-x11 === neoncode installs qt3-dev-tools and runs bon echo's conigure script again [01:37] yay! === neoncode hugs bddebian xD [01:37] Heh :-) [01:37] ok new problem... the qtlibs.. [01:38] I rember needing those before... what was the package... === neoncode goes to interigate ubotu about qtlibs [01:39] damn... he's a load of help... [01:39] libqt3-x [01:39] there should be a simple app that allows you to install comman build stuff like build-essensal and various libarys... [01:39] so libqt3-mt or libqt3-mt-dev, etc [01:40] Well qt isn't exactly "common" :-) [01:40] apt-cache dump |grep libqt ;-) [01:40] I've noticed that i've needed it a lot when i compile stuff [01:42] "configure: error: Qt Mozilla requires at least version 3.2.0 of Qt" and I have 3.3 according to adept.. eh? [01:46] oh i'll just build the thing without qt [01:47] Check how configure is checking for qt [01:47] how do I do that? [01:48] Is this a new package? [01:48] bddebian: I'm trying to build Firefox Bon Echo Beta 3 [01:49] Ah [01:49] neoncode: Which libqt did you install? [01:50] libqt3-mt-dev [01:50] Oh and check configure.in to see how it's looking for qt [01:50] Probably something like AC_CHECK_LIB(qt, foo, bar) [01:50] I told it to use GTK this time anyway... [01:51] I think it worked... i'm running make... [01:51] I have a limited linux knowlage... [01:51] Me too :-) [01:51] I only hang out in here because it makes me look like a techie. =D [01:52] lol === neoncode was jokeing [01:54] :-) === _ZuZuu_ [n=ZuZubunt@AVelizy-154-1-35-159.w82-124.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:50] http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15502 [03:50] Nice [03:53] i was just watching videos there just a few weeks ago..they just started doing that [03:53] Commies [03:54] lol [03:54] i also noticed they upgraded their site to flash 8, which isn't for nix yet...i wonder how much m$ influences them...this is rediculous === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:12] morning all [04:12] morning Hobbsee === Hobbsee jumps slightly [04:13] okay, why are there *two* of you crazy UK people still up??? [04:13] who else? [04:13] just a guy on another network [04:18] what's all happening in australia? [04:19] just woke up, pretty much.. [04:19] it's raining [04:20] and i'm considering whether to take the risk of sharing my /home [04:21] why would you? [04:22] so that i dont accidently keep deleting my files, like i did with breezy/dapper [04:28] kood nikht all :-) === imbrandon [n=brandon@ubuntu/member/imbrandon] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee shivers uncontrollably === nixternal too [05:18] mornin' Hobbsee === Hobbsee needs a fire somewhere. [05:18] hey nixternal [05:18] it is chilli here in hcicago too [05:18] Current weather for Chicago / West Chicago, Dupage Airport : Overcast clouds at 8000 feet, Temperature: 53.1F, Pressure: 29.96" Hg, Wind: 10 MPH NE [05:19] don't ask me to conver that to c..i will be here all day ;) [05:19] hehe [05:19] 12C [05:19] from my converter :P [05:19] hehe [05:19] howd you get that script? [05:19] i used to have a script to do that [05:19] konversation /weather [05:19] /weather [05:20] gotta have kweather running though [05:20] ah...is that it... [05:20] i was wondering why it wasnt working... === Hobbsee grabs kweather [05:20] i used some cool software today for a ubuntu-marketing team meeting...called gobby...cool stuff for brainstorming with a team [05:21] and it runs on Kubuntu [05:21] what's it do? [05:21] how do i run kweather? [05:21] it is kind of like an irc client itself but runs its own server...every... [05:21] add applet to kicker [05:22] ok..back to gobby...you sign into a server where ever you make one...and you select a highlight color which when you type something on the board it is highlighted with your color...this way here everyones brainstorming can come together and be saved as a text doc [05:23] http://darcs.0x539.de/trac/obby/cgi-bin/trac.cgi [05:23] there is a link [05:23] brb...food [05:24] Current weather for Christchurch : Showers , Scattered clouds at 1828 metres, Temperature: 16C, Pressure: 1001 hPa, Wind: 37 km/h WNW [05:24] Current weather for Sydney Airport : Wind gusts up to 70 km/h, Few clouds at 609 metres, Temperature: 13C, Pressure: 1014 hPa, Wind: 51 km/h SSW [05:24] Current weather for Edinburgh Airport : Haze, Temperature: 12C, Pressure: 1017 hPa, Wind: 3 km/h NE [05:24] Current weather for Adelaide Airport : Few clouds at 548 metres, Temperature: 12C, Pressure: 1033 hPa, Wind: 20 km/h SSE [05:24] ack. [05:24] hehe [05:24] wow, high wind === Hobbsee sees that we've got adelaide weather. that's pathetic. [05:48] lol [05:48] Hobbsee: you don't need that many locations do you? [05:48] lol [05:49] nixternal: true...no, i didnt expect it to output all of them... === Hobbsee has friends in those various places. [05:49] ya..i found that out the other day when i had a couple of them in my list [05:49] looks to be about the same temp there as it is here in chicago === lnxKDE [n=lnxG5@64.213.227.71] has joined #kubuntu-devel === DaSkreech [n=Me@208.138.25.87] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:47] Hobbsee, neoncode: Here? [06:47] DaSkreech: yeah [06:48] Blast! [06:48] in any case at least Riddell will have a log here [06:48] Hobbsee: do you remember knoware? [06:48] no [06:49] http://developer.kde.org/summerofcode/knoware.html [06:49] I wanted something like that [06:49] I thought this up before knoware but It seems to fit well [06:50] Look at that and then ping me once you get the gist === neoncode [n=neoncode@unaffiliated/neoncode] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:53] ok === DaSkreech goes over again [06:53] neoncode: do you remember knoware? [06:53] lookin [06:53] g [06:56] ok [06:57] DaSkreech: is that this years SoC? [06:58] No last years [06:58] DaSkreech: what ended up happening to it? [06:58] DaSkreech: no [06:58] It got kinda mostly built then they guy went back to college [06:59] neoncode: http://developer.kde.org/summerofcode/knoware.html [06:59] It's still in SVN if you want to see the code [06:59] ...never heard of it before... [06:59] http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/playground/utils/knoware/ [06:59] neoncode: Well read the first link and let me know when you get the gist === neoncode is a tad busy right now... sorry [07:04] Ok cool mind if I just prattle on then? [07:04] or you want to hear this? [07:05] DaSkreech: so what will you do? extend that, or write your own? [07:05] i don't mind prattle all you like [07:06] Well it's the same basis but requres a good deal more user interaction [07:07] Ok so GIS is a system of overlaying information onto a global map or global coordiantes [07:07] sort of like GPS for cars except of course much huger [07:10] yep [07:10] So the data for these modules are normally gathered by some company and then sold for high amounts of money [07:11] Hence two things happen. one is that not a lot of data is gathered on things normal people might want and it keeps useful data about the globe out of the hands of people without money [07:13] So if there was an easy way to aggregate and collect data that could be filtered by a flexible system you would find a fair number of people who would put in data for the good of all and people who would put in data just because they found it useful [07:14] true === Hobbsee wonders if/how this would fit in with LP [07:15] Right. also if it was easy and obviously crossed borders it would make it more useful for science and researchers [07:15] It would be kind of wiki like in that respect [07:15] LP? [07:15] launchpad === poningru [n=poningru@ip68-105-165-49.ga.at.cox.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:16] Umm [07:17] I'm not following [07:18] well, surely i fyou're getting this data, you'd need to put it somewhere.. [07:18] Right === Hobbsee thinks her brain got fried. [07:18] Hopefully distributed and pretty fast === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:20] At least in my mind I'm not the best at designing terrabyte network stores [07:22] I'm also not sure what the backend of launchpad is like but I don't know if it would be suitable === imbrandon [n=brandon@ubuntu/member/imbrandon] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:23] I think that some app that would be able to cross both DE's and have a robust architecture would be very valuable to enough people that it would gain great support === chavo [n=chavo@68-235-253-154.atlsfl.adelphia.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:26] It would be pushing a boulder uphill though [07:26] To start off === chavo [n=chavo@68-235-253-154.atlsfl.adelphia.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:31] I think that having a community driven info base would be very cool for the linux Desktop in general as well as being a strong differentiation selling point === _czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-010-032.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:33] DaSkreech, I was just thinking about that the other day [07:34] Hmm? [07:34] A database for things like hardware setup and stuff like that [07:34] chavo: It's there in svn [07:35] Start on hacking then :) [07:37] It's a pretty nice framework. I like how it allows you to be as paranoid as you like [07:39] then if you are possibly "at risk" it can contact you and ask if you would like to offer some more info which you can then turn down if you are paranoid :) [07:40] however you can still go and dig up the information without giving up anything [07:54] Hobbsee: So? What about it? Am I smoking the wrong stuff? [07:55] DaSkreech: sounds interesting - good for the "hey my kde wont start" when i'ts actually from the video drivers that are suddenly playing pu or something === Hobbsee goes back to her conquest of supertux [07:55] I beat that game :) [07:55] heh [07:55] i'm quite bad at them.. [07:55] Hobbsee: I think you are mixing up knoware and my idea ;-) [07:56] Me too I cheated [07:56] I used the level editor on hard levels to see where the secret platforms were [07:56] heh [07:56] well, yeah, that's possible === DaSkreech writes up a full proposal [07:57] Is sabdfl the right person to put this to? [07:58] DaSkreech, would it be possible for say the installer to use the database for things like configuring xorg? [07:59] chavo: Hmm? [07:59] if it's available of course [07:59] Ah knoware [07:59] yeah [07:59] In short yes [07:59] that's the kind of thing I was thinking of [07:59] in practicality I think that it would be pretty useless [08:00] for an installer I think that would be a bit silly [08:00] would be nice if it could reconfigure that after install though [08:00] though..... [08:00] Yeah I guess it could do [08:02] yay, another level gone :) === Hobbsee hasnt cheated yet [08:02] well one example is the xorg config for my laptop, it writes the wrong horizsync and vertrefresh for the monitor, so it'll only do 640x480 [08:03] but putting the right one in and it fixes it [08:04] right Yeah I guess if it had a cli query that could work [08:04] It's a pretty well known problem and a quick search on google will turn up the solution [08:05] well my thoughts on it are that you could build a simple query tree into the installer to make it follow the same basic logic [08:06] So if the problem is already known and the fix is already known then put it in the code [08:06] No need for a fancy framework for that [08:07] no [08:10] Hobbsee: Which level? [08:10] DaSkreech: er, i think ij ust conquered 8, then got 9 [08:10] i was having a lot of trouble with 8 [08:12] 18 more to go :-) [08:14] hehe === _chavo [n=chavo@68-235-253-154.atlsfl.adelphia.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === NeoChaosX [n=nael@adsl-71-141-20-218.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === LeeJunFan_ [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === NeoChaosX [n=nael@adsl-71-141-20-218.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === DaSkreech [n=Me@208.138.25.87] has left #kubuntu-devel [] === freeflying|away [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying|away [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #kubuntu-devel === vinboy [n=vinboy@60-234-137-136.bitstream.orcon.net.nz] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:12] g'nite === chavo [n=chavo@68-235-253-154.atlsfl.adelphia.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #kubuntu-devel === chavo [n=chavo@68-235-253-154.atlsfl.adelphia.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === \sh [n=shermann@xdsl-81-173-234-252.netcologne.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:36] <\sh> Riddell: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuLaunchpadIntegration it should be easy to integrate. [10:38] <\sh> gnome is doing this: mvo wrote a small lib, which gives you a method to hook into the helpmenu and adding new menu entries for LP. We can do this in the same package as gnome does, creating 2 binary packages (liblaunchpad-integration0-kde and liblaunchpad-integration0-gnome [10:38] <\sh> after this, they are patching the gnome sources to add this menu hook to the help menu, that we can do with KHelpMenu() as well [10:39] why oh why it so looks that kubuntu is constantly playing a catch-up game? [10:39] it's almost annoying === hunger [n=tobias@p54A603AC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:39] <\sh> mornfall: because many devs are using gnome in the first place... [10:39] KubuntuLaunchpadIntegration, note Created: 6/6/06 by JonathanRiddell [10:40] i like the date [10:40] <\sh> The Omen was released on this date ;) [10:40] <\sh> (remake of the old movie) [10:41] \sh: no i don't mean that (wrt catch-up)... more like why just can't kubuntu go in its own direction instead of tailing ubuntu all the time [10:42] <\sh> mornfall: then we need 3 archives, one for ubuntu-base, ubuntu-gnome and ubuntu-kde, ubuntu-base for all the underlaying technological things like hal, dbus, acpi kernel etc.pp the plain system without the desktop, then gnome and then kde [10:42] \sh: why so? [10:42] well, either way [10:43] <\sh> mornfall: because mark wants one single community, doesn't matter if they are using gnome or kde or xfce or [10:43] mark is just being silly [10:44] <\sh> mornfall: no. the problem is just that: developer X is using gnome, but responsible for feature Y, after implementing feature Y in ubuntu-base he starts the gnome integration just as a add on, which doesn't work for kubuntu right now. [10:45] \sh: yes, you can't expect developers to implement features in both kde and gnome... you can't expect users to support other users that use both kde and gnome... etc [10:45] the "one community" thing just doesn't work [10:46] they systems are too different [10:46] <\sh> mornfall: and to be honest, that was my biggest "rant" before the linuxtag talks. Instead of developing feature Y and start talking with all desktop developers to find a good way of implementing it at the same time, kubuntu was just losing [10:47] \sh: and that's going to continune, now, isn't it? [10:47] linuxtag talk was too much like pr and too little like actual change from what i hear [10:47] (i wasn't there) [10:47] anyhow [10:47] food, be back in a bit [10:47] <\sh> mornfall: the "one community" thing doesn't work in the social way, which is quite correct, but it would work for the technical part, if there is someone who just does a good project managment and does know what he is doing. [10:49] <\sh> s/he/he\/she\/it/ === chavo [n=chavo@68-235-253-154.atlsfl.adelphia.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Dinofly [n=dinofly@vbo91-1-82-238-217-179.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:03] \sh: the problem is that communities are social phenomenon, even if centered around technical issues [11:04] <\sh> mornfall: right, but inside a "company" you can fix technical issues and most of the developers tend to work together even in our gnome and kde world ;) [11:04] <\sh> mornfall: but there needs to be an institution which brings them together [11:05] if the institution pays money to the people yes [11:05] <\sh> a position like a "communication officer" or a project manager who knows the changes in ubuntu-base, and can try to synchronize the development between all different desktop systems [11:05] but it's still not a community in the sense that if company stops paying money people will disappear in all different directions [11:06] communication officer, that's ... interesting... but it doesn't make one community out of two, it just keeps both better informed [11:06] <\sh> mornfall: this is one of the problems all companies in our FOSS world have...see RH and the missing "RH KDE Package Guru" Bero [11:06] <\sh> mornfall: which could help inside a company... [11:07] <\sh> mornfall: the community part is not even touched [11:07] heh, i work for RH... i just don't have time/motivation to work on kde there [11:07] <\sh> mornfall: RH US HQ had/has the position of a communication officer, he sat, when I was visiting the HQ in 2001, directly in the middle of the left wing ;) [11:08] :-) [11:08] <\sh> what was his name again... [11:08] RH is just too big for one person [11:08] <\sh> oh man, he was the only smoker in this heat [11:08] heh [11:09] <\sh> mornfall: are you working somewhere else then raleigh/durham hq? [11:09] obviously :) [11:10] brno office, czech republic [11:10] <\sh> ah yes, you are reporting to surrey, right? [11:11] nah, don't even know that person [11:11] <\sh> Surrey, UK ;) [11:11] <\sh> the european HQ ;) [11:11] i don't even know the place ;-) [11:12] we report to stuttgart, mostly [11:12] <\sh> mornfall: oh...so you know chris huettermann and harald hoyer ;) [11:12] <\sh> and dirk haaga? [11:12] not quite? :p [11:13] i may have met them once or so [11:15] <\sh> mornfall: do you still have this brainwashing week in RH HQ for starting RH employes? [11:15] <\sh> in my first week they send me directly to the US for brainwashing ;) [11:24] <\sh> ok..need to shower...laters [11:29] nope, it would probably get expensive, with the hiring rate we have ;-) === chavo [n=chavo@68-235-253-154.atlsfl.adelphia.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Huahua [n=hua_@222.50.183.118] has joined #kubuntu-devel === apokryphos [n=apokryph@host-87-74-49-101.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:03] moguh === \sh [n=shermann@xdsl-81-173-234-252.netcologne.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:23] <\sh> re === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:42] wbi \sh [12:42] heya toma [12:42] hey Hobbsee [12:49] \sh: pyQT4 out [12:50] <\sh> freeflying|away: I'm just compiling the whole python-sip4/pyqt/pykde toolchain [12:50] <\sh> freeflying|away: then I'm doing some work on pyQT4 [12:51] \sh: how about the qt4, will we patch the qt-copy [12:52] <\sh> freeflying|away: dunno...as long kde4 is not somehow available, we have to stick with qt3 and qt4 will be only there for some special applications === toma is now known as toma_f1 === andred [i=bnc@62.75.169.150] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:09] <\sh> Ok, searching Beta testers for jabber.kubuntu.de :) [01:11] <\sh> Riddell: if you can add some dns records to kubuntu.org we could provide jabber services for kubuntu.org as well [01:12] <\sh> Riddell: if not, let jabber.kubuntu.de be the default xmpp service for kubuntu in kopete ;) [01:13] now that would be cool - i'd wondered about jabber for kubuntu.org [01:20] \sh: how to use jabber.kubuntu.de :) [01:20] freeflying|away: thru kopete? [01:20] <\sh> freeflying|away: kopete, psi, gajim, gaim, www.jabber.org is a good pointer := === freeflying|away [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #kubuntu-devel === OdyX [n=Didier@8.Red-80-33-64.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jpatrick [n=patrick@ubuntu/member/jpatrick] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:41] Riddell: merge for you: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2399 === freeflying-g4 [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying-g4 [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #kubuntu-devel === goldenear [n=user@vol75-4-82-225-33-186.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:12] <\sh> compiling python-qt3 for edgy...t43 is getting hot ;) [02:16] \sh: use gcc-4.1? [02:16] <\sh> freeflying-g4: yes [02:20] <\sh> oh no [02:20] <\sh> gcc-4.1 is not in build-essentials? and not being updated grmpf...moemnt === freeflying-g4 [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has left #kubuntu-devel [] === freeflying-g4 [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:22] \sh: is there already a repos for edgy? [02:22] <\sh> danimo: there is [02:22] <\sh> danimo: but not up2date...with gcc4.1 [02:22] \sh: you are using edgy's chroot? [02:22] \sh: but I probably don't want to try it on my production machine, right? :) [02:22] <\sh> freeflying-g4: yes [02:22] <\sh> freeflying-g4: and pbuilder [02:23] <\sh> danimo: you don't want...that's right :) [02:23] \sh: you gotta show me edgy at froscon [02:24] \sh I have updated ktorrent to latest [02:24] <\sh> danimo: well, I can show you a chroot ;) [02:24] \sh: sure [02:24] my laptop isn't big enough for a chroot [02:24] <\sh> danimo: I have chroots on amd64 and on this t43 laptop ;) [02:28] danimo: whyever not? most things will fit a chroot === toma_f1 is now known as toma === Hobbsee will have to install edgy on her production machine. [02:29] <\sh> hmmm...looks like that the latest change to debootstrap of kamion is not in debootstrap at all, I don't find an edgy script [02:29] Hobbsee: did that yesterday === freeflying-g4 [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:30] jpatrick: did it die? [02:30] Nope [02:30] just updated basefiles [02:32] mmm okay [02:32] Hobbsee: yes, if you have more than like... 100 MB of free space... [02:32] ah..ouch. === danimo concludes he needs to burn some films on dvd ;) [02:33] haha [02:33] well, yeah [02:36] <\sh> brb ... real lifes calling === \sh_ [n=shermann@xdsl-81-173-249-203.netcologne.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === _ZuZuu_ [n=ZuZubunt@AVelizy-154-1-35-159.w82-124.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel === \sh_ is now known as \sh [03:00] Woohoo! kxdocker merged/updated [03:03] Riddell: ping [03:03] Hobbsee: hey i was going to do that :( === Hobbsee beat you to it :P [03:03] shoul dhave responded first, but i figured i'd check the page :P [03:03] I'm still waiting for him [03:03] jpatrick: how about we both do it? === Hobbsee hands jpatrick a pitchfork and an axe to help bash Riddell's door down. [03:04] I think we'll need more than that === Hobbsee holds up an axe too [03:05] you mean we need more than two pitchforks, and two axes? === Hobbsee whistles for the bulldozer. [03:05] He's probably learnt from past experience and has had it reinforced [03:06] hehe [03:06] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/edgy-changes/2006-June/000037.html [03:06] Go me [03:08] "kxdocker - innovative docker for KDE that is like Mac OSX Docker" [03:08] wtf? [03:08] it's either innovative or a poor os x rip off [03:08] last time I checked it was the latter [03:09] danimo: that's what Debian maintainer wrote [03:09] Not my fault.. [03:09] jpatrick: not blaming you, just being shocked by such absurd scentences [03:10] because the linux community _is_ getting threatened all the time to equal innovation with "copying from os x" [03:10] or windows, or whatever [03:10] on the desktop it's os x though === pygi [n=pygi@83-131-235-19.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:10] <\sh> jpatrick: how do you compile with gcc-4.1 in a chroot? updating alternatives? [03:11] <\sh> jpatrick: or changing symlinks? [03:11] I have no idea.. :| [03:11] <\sh> jpatrick: so you are compiling with gcc-4.0 still ;) [03:12] jpatrick: seems not accept upload now [03:12] freeflying-g4: why not? [03:12] <\sh> because edgy buildds are not ready and not up2date [03:12] <\sh> gcc is not really build [03:13] <\sh> and everything which is in the queue now is not build [03:13] <\sh> not even debootstrap :( which could help me a lot [03:13] I didn't know that [03:13] <\sh> jpatrick: now you know ;) [03:14] <\sh> jpatrick: you have to wait for the new toolchain ;) with a lot of breakage ;) [03:14] sounds messy [03:14] actually, we can not do anything now [03:14] jpatrick: (sorry for whining :) [03:14] <\sh> jpatrick: most propably kxdocker will break [03:15] :( [03:15] <\sh> I can't even compile my python stuff :( === \sh is a real kopete loser [03:23] \sh: why so? [03:24] <\sh> Hobbsee: because it's not focused enough on opensource protocol IMs [03:24] ah, true [03:24] <\sh> I can't even geht service discovery to show up [03:24] <\sh> it should work somehow, but how? [03:24] <\sh> s/geht/get/ [03:34] <\sh> > this is really good news. Does it mean, that work will start on [03:34] <\sh> > QScintilla2? ;) [03:34] <\sh> Yes, but if, in the next 4 weeks, Germany beat England on penalties then I'm [03:34] <\sh> not going to release it. [03:34] <\sh> Phil [03:37] <\sh> I have to stop the german national soccer team from winning...where is my personal army? [03:40] don't worry, the americans aren't out yet :-) [03:41] and if they beat teh czech republic and italy, they can probably beat germany :p [03:41] Spain are going to get thrashed [03:41] <\sh> kwwii: I hope so...I don't want to see the krauts winning ;) [03:41] oh, america will loose too [03:41] <\sh> I hope brasilia will win, and I got one of their girls ;) [03:41] i have already accepted my fate [03:42] <\sh> and I will get one of their girls [03:42] (but i bought a t-shirt anyway) [03:42] \sh: England ftw [03:42] <\sh> kwwii: a german or american? ;) [03:42] so I will be the only idiot running around with a team usa t-shirt [03:43] <\sh> oh heaven, time for another beer [03:43] hehe [03:43] sounds like a good decision, I will follow your lead [03:43] <\sh> kwwii: lol [03:44] oh please. we're discussing soccer now are we? [03:44] <\sh> kwwii: we have a lot of work ahead of us :) jabber.kubuntu.de will be final release born in the next 3 weeks ;) [03:44] <\sh> Hobbsee: soccer without a beer in germany? [03:44] \sh: another jabber server? :) [03:45] \sh: heh [03:45] \sh: that's why I don't watch soccer today - I had more beer the last 3 days than in the rest of this year I guess [03:45] <\sh> danimo: for kubuntu yes :) it should be the default in kopete, when kopete will drop their non-open source protocols [03:46] <\sh> danimo: I can't watch soccer anyways...I don't have a tv or radio [03:46] \sh: why sould they they do it? [03:46] <\sh> danimo: because it's a pain in da ass with kopetes plugins for icq etc. xmpp is stable... [03:47] \sh: parse error [03:47] <\sh> danimo: and it's not a good release preparation, when you update most of the plugins after kde releases and doing self announced point releases [03:48] <\sh> danimo: (kopete 0.12 that is :() [03:48] <\sh> danimo: for a distro it's hell when they ship it from kdenetwork [03:48] <\sh> danimo: no really, what's missing is a "real xmpp client" like psi in kde [03:51] \sh: if only everyone gave up on other services and if only jabber had a working video-option like msn... maybe, just maybe people would switch [03:51] and if jabber servers were anything close to reliable [03:51] but that's fixable the easiest I guess [03:52] <\sh> well, I restarted my jabber service today for the first time, until today it ran without any disturbance for the last 200 days [03:52] <\sh> 200 days ago, I had to restart my server completly because of a kernel update [03:53] \sh: tell that to the dudes at jabber.org :( [03:54] (which is the suggested jabber service with psi) === apokryphos [n=apokryph@host-87-74-49-101.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:56] <\sh> danimo: that we can change easily in the source of psi ;) [03:56] <\sh> danimo: I'll talk to Peter St. Andre about the issues...because ejabberd is known as very reliable [03:57] \sh: what issues? [03:57] \sh: it's probably not directly a daemon issue [03:57] <\sh> danimo: when jabber.org is not stable enough...they should move to a better upstream or the sysadmin is not reliable ;) [03:58] \sh: but such services need a good redundancy setup [03:58] \sh: yes, I guess that's the thing [03:58] <\sh> danimo: that's one of the things I'll figure out with jabber.kubuntu.de and my other services...I'll try to find a sponsor for at least 4 machines [03:59] <\sh> danimo: and the video stuff, we have xmpp rfcs for that...It just needs to be implemented [04:02] \sh: switching jabber daemon is not easy [04:03] the backend stores the data differently [04:03] <\sh> toma: I switched from jabberd1.4 to jabberd2 at past times in less then 5 hours...with 3k users, and from jabberd2 to ejabberd in less then 2 hours with around 9k users :) [04:04] <\sh> that reminds me...I need to learn erlang ;) === kmon [n=javier@217.Red-80-25-51.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:04] \sh: ok, well i wasn't that lucky when i did it [04:04] but i cant recall details, it has been ages ago [04:04] <\sh> toma: but yes, jabberDs are sometimes nasty === neoncode [n=neoncode@unaffiliated/neoncode] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:07] mmm...dinner [04:09] <\sh> kwwii: cheers ;) === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #kubuntu-devel === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel === kwwii finishes preparing dinner [04:35] kwwii: what's for dinner? === andred [i=bnc@62.75.169.150] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:40] <\sh> dner kebap with extra hot chilis [04:41] eek [04:42] <\sh> the right food for sunday [04:42] <\sh> NO! === Hobbsee would avoid the chilli :P [04:43] <\sh> Hobbsee: why? chilli is healthy_ [04:44] heh [04:44] i'll take your word for it... [04:44] <\sh> Hobbsee: ask jsgotangco ;) [04:45] heh [04:48] heh bring it on [04:49] <\sh> jsgotangco: tell Hobbsee that chillis are healthy ;) === Hobbsee makes a mental note to never eat anything that \sh or jsgotangco may give her [04:50] <\sh> yesterday, I went to my special turkish restaurant and ordered dner and lamacun..with a lot of chilli... [04:51] why not? [04:51] Hobbsee: you haven't seen boiled duck egg yet... [04:51] <\sh> and this guy gave me green pepperoni and red chilli fruits for having fun at night ;) [04:51] <\sh> and believe me, that was really hot === jsgotangco sometimes eat them for midnight snack [04:52] <\sh> jsgotangco: it was really good, because in hot times (speaking of weather) it's quite better to eat chillis then to eat ice === Hobbsee isnt sur esh ewants to... :P === \sh is a white indian and thai ;) [04:53] Hobbsee: http://www.asiacuisine.com.sg/Nacws/1998/9/314/ [04:55] <\sh> jsgotangco: whenever we will meet each other, please take some of this with you...I want to taste...really... [04:55] i dunno if it can get customs when i drop over to hannover this year... [04:59] jsgotangco: mmm...okay...hehe === Hobbsee makes a mental note to feed you all vegimite [04:59] <\sh> jsgotangco: don't mention it [05:03] night all [05:11] <\sh> kwwii: dude, I'm having my fourth beer, and feeling somehow "It's summer somehow in germany" === OculusAquilae [n=oculus@pD9508AE5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:12] hehe [05:12] the weather here is great at the moment [05:14] It certainly is getting HOT over here [05:16] that is one thing about germany, it never gets hot [05:16] <\sh> kwwii: we need to meet for a braai [05:16] it gets almost hot [05:17] \sh: you should come to bamberg sometime [05:17] \sh: we have lots of great biergarten [05:18] <\sh> kwwii: next month .. but I need some place to sleep somewhere [05:18] \sh: you can always pass out on my couch :-) (as long as you don't mind getting up with my son in the morning) [05:18] \sh: or you could sleep in my office (but we smoke in there) [05:18] <\sh> kwwii: no problem :) I'm still a father ;) [05:18] so it's either child or smoke [05:18] :-) [05:19] <\sh> hmm..smoke ;) [05:19] <\sh> kids, smoking is dangerous ;) === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:20] <\sh> kwwii: wait..you mean "smoke" or "smoke"? === _ZuZuu_ [n=ZuZubunt@AVelizy-154-1-66-197.w83-204.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel === poningru [n=poningru@ip68-105-165-49.ga.at.cox.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:04] first the one smoke and then the other smoke [06:07] any clue when UVF will be for edgy? === kbrooks [n=kbrooks@unaffiliated/kbrooks] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:13] <\sh> tvo: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/EdgyReleaseSchedule [06:13] Ummm [06:13] i need to talk to all of you [06:14] including you, \sh [06:14] all right. [06:14] \sh: that one's still empty.. unless I ought to look at the light yellowish cells [06:14] <\sh> tvo: given that edgy will be 4.5 months release === Kamping_Kaiser [n=kgoetz@ppp100-144.static.internode.on.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === kbrooks wonders how to phrase it [06:14] lets see. [06:14] <\sh> tvo: I would say after max. 1 month [06:15] anyone here might have heard of EasyUbuntu [06:15] <\sh> kbrooks: including me? [06:15] \sh, this is quite possible :) [06:15] now, you might not care about EU, but we have a MAJOR bug [06:15] that MUST be fixed with the kubuntu team's cooperation [06:15] this bug only occurs on Kubuntu === \sh is living in the EU and other Kubuntu Devs tooo [06:16] :%S/cooperation/help [06:16] EU = EasyUbuntu [06:17] the bug occurs when a software is about to be configured (in the pre-config stage) [06:17] kbrooks: is there a Malone # for the defect? [06:17] like flash, or java [06:17] <\sh> wtf is easyubuntu? [06:17] ubijtsa: i'll file it when i'm finished explaning [06:18] \sh: easyubuntu is a tool for users to install codecs, and stuff like that [06:19] <\sh> kbrooks: so something very unsupported and non legal ? [06:19]