[12:05] <kwwii> wow, inkscape 4.4pre3 is nifty-doodle
[12:06] <kwwii> anyone packaged that yet?
[12:08] <bddebian> It's all yours :)
[12:09] <apachelogger> kwwii: have the found usability yet? :P
[12:10] <kwwii> apachelogger: sure, they just hide it behind a key combination
[12:10] <kwwii> it is art-emacs
[12:10] <apachelogger> ah, of course
[12:10] <kwwii> by developers, for developers
[12:10] <kwwii> but they have crappy new tango icons
[12:11] <apachelogger> Oo
[12:11] <apachelogger> bah
[12:11] <apachelogger> grml
[12:11] <apachelogger> kwwii: at least better than the old?
[12:11] <apachelogger> kwwii: shall I make you a package?
[12:12] <kwwii> it would be cool for everyone to test it
[12:12] <kwwii> it really does have a few improvements
[12:12] <kwwii> not in the interface so much, except the palette improvements
[12:12] <kwwii> (now it is like corel draw was 15 years ago)
[12:13] <kwwii> the node handling is better
[12:13] <apachelogger> lol
[12:13] <apachelogger> mem-usage reduced?
[12:13] <kwwii> hehe, don't get too expectant
[12:13] <kwwii> it is like, they take the idea of packaging for mac and then apply it to linux
[12:14] <apachelogger> oioi
[12:19] <kwwii> the biggest problem I see with inkscape still is the level of accuracy of the algorithms used to work with paths
[12:20] <kwwii> just make a rounded box, with equal rounding on both sides, and then outset it 
[12:20] <kwwii> it looses everything...almost looks comical
[12:22] <kwwii> funny as hell is that in the preferences every number is listed to the 4th decimal point
[12:22] <kwwii> like it is that accurate
[12:47] <neoncode> What on earth is gtk+-2.0?
[12:49] <apachelogger> gtk+ in development snapshot 2.0 :P
[12:49] <neoncode> Apparently FIrefox Bon Echo needs it... is it in reops?
[12:50] <apachelogger> hopefully, gtk+ 2.0 is not the newest I think
[12:50] <neoncode> Ah... I think i found it....
[12:50] <apachelogger> though I'm not very up-to-date concerning gnome stuffed animals ;-)
[12:50] <neoncode> lol
[12:50] <neoncode> ohh i like dapper's adept...
[12:54] <apachelogger> really, building inkscape takes far too long
[12:57] <kwwii> :p
[12:57] <kwwii> yeah, that is what I thought too
[12:57] <kwwii> when you asked, I was happily surprised :-)
[01:21] <neoncode> What's a moc preprocessor?
[01:21] <neoncode> Apparently I don't have one...
[01:31] <bddebian> Ugh moc :-(
[01:32] <neoncode> bddebian: What? do you know what it is?
[01:33] <bddebian> I don't know much about it but have seen it in a few packages
[01:33] <neoncode> Bon Echo's configure script says i need one.
[01:35] <bddebian> neoncode: I believe it's part of Qt
[01:35] <bddebian> try qt3-dev-tools
[01:35] <bddebian> Or qt4-dev if the packages uses qt4-x11
[01:37] <neoncode> yay! 
[01:37] <bddebian> Heh :-)
[01:37] <neoncode> ok new problem... the qtlibs..
[01:38] <neoncode> I rember needing those before... what was the package...
[01:39] <neoncode> damn... he's a load of help...
[01:39] <bddebian>  libqt3-x
[01:39] <neoncode> there should be a simple app that allows you to install comman build stuff like build-essensal and various libarys...
[01:39] <bddebian>  so libqt3-mt or libqt3-mt-dev, etc
[01:40] <bddebian> Well qt isn't exactly "common" :-)
[01:40] <bddebian> apt-cache dump |grep libqt ;-)
[01:40] <neoncode> I've noticed that i've needed it a lot when i compile stuff
[01:42] <neoncode> "configure: error: Qt Mozilla requires at least version 3.2.0 of Qt" and I have 3.3 according to adept.. eh?
[01:46] <neoncode> oh i'll just build the thing without qt
[01:47] <bddebian> Check how configure is checking for qt
[01:47] <neoncode> how do I do that?
[01:48] <bddebian> Is this a new package?
[01:48] <neoncode> bddebian: I'm trying to build Firefox Bon Echo Beta 3
[01:49] <bddebian> Ah
[01:49] <bddebian> neoncode: Which libqt did you install?
[01:50] <neoncode> libqt3-mt-dev
[01:50] <bddebian> Oh and check configure.in to see how it's looking for qt
[01:50] <bddebian>  Probably something like AC_CHECK_LIB(qt, foo, bar)
[01:50] <neoncode> I told it to use GTK this time anyway...
[01:51] <neoncode> I think it worked... i'm running make...
[01:51] <neoncode> I have a limited linux knowlage...
[01:51] <bddebian> Me too :-)
[01:51] <neoncode> I only hang out in here because it makes me look like a techie. =D
[01:52] <neoncode> lol
[01:54] <bddebian> :-)
[03:50] <nixternal> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15502
[03:50] <bddebian> Nice
[03:53] <nixternal> i was just watching videos there just a few weeks ago..they just started doing that
[03:53] <bddebian> Commies
[03:54] <nixternal> lol
[03:54] <nixternal> i also noticed they upgraded their site to flash 8, which isn't for nix yet...i wonder how much m$ influences them...this is rediculous
[04:12] <Hobbsee> morning all
[04:12] <Riddell> morning Hobbsee 
[04:13] <Hobbsee> okay, why are there *two* of you crazy UK people still up???
[04:13] <Riddell> who else?
[04:13] <Hobbsee> just a guy on another network
[04:18] <Riddell> what's all happening in australia?
[04:19] <Hobbsee> just woke up, pretty much..
[04:19] <Hobbsee> it's raining
[04:20] <Hobbsee> and i'm considering whether to take the risk of sharing my /home
[04:21] <Riddell> why would you?
[04:22] <Hobbsee> so that i dont accidently keep deleting my files, like i did with breezy/dapper
[04:28] <apachelogger> kood nikht all :-)
[05:18] <nixternal> mornin' Hobbsee
[05:18] <Hobbsee> hey nixternal 
[05:18] <nixternal> it is chilli here in hcicago too
[05:18] <nixternal> Current weather for Chicago / West Chicago, Dupage Airport : Overcast clouds at 8000 feet, Temperature: 53.1F, Pressure: 29.96" Hg, Wind: 10 MPH NE
[05:19] <nixternal> don't ask me to conver that to c..i will be here all day ;)
[05:19] <Hobbsee> hehe
[05:19] <Hobbsee> 12C
[05:19] <Hobbsee> from my converter :P
[05:19] <nixternal> hehe
[05:19] <Hobbsee> howd you get that script?
[05:19] <nixternal> i used to have a script to do that
[05:19] <nixternal> konversation /weather
[05:19] <nixternal>  /weather
[05:20] <nixternal> gotta have kweather running though
[05:20] <Hobbsee> ah...is that it...
[05:20] <Hobbsee> i was wondering why it wasnt working...
[05:20] <nixternal> i used some cool software today for a ubuntu-marketing team meeting...called gobby...cool stuff for brainstorming with a team
[05:21] <nixternal> and it runs on Kubuntu
[05:21] <Hobbsee> what's it do?
[05:21] <Hobbsee> how do i run kweather?
[05:21] <nixternal> it is kind of like an irc client itself but runs its own server...every...
[05:21] <nixternal> add applet to kicker
[05:22] <nixternal> ok..back to gobby...you sign into a server where ever you make one...and you select a highlight color which when you type something on the board it is highlighted with your color...this way here everyones brainstorming can come together and be saved as a text doc
[05:23] <nixternal> http://darcs.0x539.de/trac/obby/cgi-bin/trac.cgi
[05:23] <nixternal> there is a link
[05:23] <nixternal> brb...food
[05:24] <Hobbsee> Current weather for Christchurch :  Showers , Scattered clouds at 1828 metres, Temperature: 16C, Pressure: 1001 hPa, Wind: 37 km/h WNW
[05:24] <Hobbsee> Current weather for Sydney Airport : Wind gusts up to 70 km/h, Few clouds at 609 metres, Temperature: 13C, Pressure: 1014 hPa, Wind: 51 km/h SSW
[05:24] <Hobbsee> Current weather for Edinburgh Airport :   Haze, Temperature: 12C, Pressure: 1017 hPa, Wind: 3 km/h NE
[05:24] <Hobbsee> Current weather for Adelaide Airport : Few clouds at 548 metres, Temperature: 12C, Pressure: 1033 hPa, Wind: 20 km/h SSE
[05:24] <Hobbsee> ack.
[05:24] <Hobbsee> hehe
[05:24] <Hobbsee> wow, high wind
[05:48] <nixternal> lol
[05:48] <nixternal> Hobbsee: you don't need that many locations do you?
[05:48] <nixternal> lol
[05:49] <Hobbsee> nixternal: true...no, i didnt expect it to output all of them...
[05:49] <nixternal> ya..i found that out the other day when i had a couple of them in my list
[05:49] <nixternal> looks to be about the same temp there as it is here in chicago
[06:47] <DaSkreech> Hobbsee, neoncode: Here?
[06:47] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: yeah
[06:48] <DaSkreech> Blast!
[06:48] <DaSkreech> in any case at least Riddell will have a log here
[06:48] <DaSkreech> Hobbsee: do you remember knoware?
[06:48] <Hobbsee> no
[06:49] <DaSkreech> http://developer.kde.org/summerofcode/knoware.html
[06:49] <DaSkreech> I wanted something like that
[06:49] <DaSkreech> I thought this up before knoware but It seems to fit well
[06:50] <DaSkreech> Look at that and then ping me once you get the gist
[06:53] <DaSkreech> ok
[06:53] <DaSkreech> neoncode: do you remember knoware?
[06:53] <Hobbsee> lookin
[06:53] <Hobbsee> g
[06:56] <DaSkreech> ok
[06:57] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: is that this years SoC?
[06:58] <DaSkreech> No last years
[06:58] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: what ended up happening to it?
[06:58] <neoncode> DaSkreech: no
[06:58] <DaSkreech> It got kinda mostly built then they guy went back to college
[06:59] <DaSkreech> neoncode: http://developer.kde.org/summerofcode/knoware.html
[06:59] <DaSkreech> It's still in SVN if you want to see the code
[06:59] <neoncode> ...never heard of it before...
[06:59] <DaSkreech> http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/playground/utils/knoware/
[06:59] <DaSkreech> neoncode: Well read the first link and let me know when you get the gist
[07:04] <DaSkreech> Ok cool mind if I just prattle on then?
[07:04] <DaSkreech> or you want to hear this?
[07:05] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: so what will you do?  extend that, or write your own?
[07:05] <neoncode> i don't mind prattle all you like
[07:06] <DaSkreech> Well it's the same basis but requres a good deal more user interaction
[07:07] <DaSkreech> Ok so GIS is a system of overlaying information onto a global map or global coordiantes
[07:07] <DaSkreech> sort of like GPS for cars except of course much huger
[07:10] <Hobbsee> yep
[07:10] <DaSkreech> So the data for these modules are normally gathered by some company and then sold for high amounts of money
[07:11] <DaSkreech> Hence two things happen. one is that not a lot of data is gathered on things normal people might want and it keeps useful data about the globe out of the hands of people without money
[07:13] <DaSkreech> So if there was an easy way to aggregate and collect data that could be filtered by a flexible system you would find a fair number of people who would put in data for the good of all and people who would put in data just because they found it useful
[07:14] <Hobbsee> true
[07:15] <DaSkreech> Right. also if it was easy and obviously crossed borders it would make it more useful for science and researchers
[07:15] <DaSkreech> It would be kind of wiki like in that respect
[07:15] <DaSkreech> LP?
[07:15] <Hobbsee> launchpad
[07:16] <DaSkreech> Umm
[07:17] <DaSkreech> I'm not following
[07:18] <Hobbsee> well, surely i fyou're getting this data, you'd need to put it somewhere..
[07:18] <DaSkreech> Right
[07:18] <DaSkreech> Hopefully distributed and pretty fast
[07:20] <DaSkreech> At least in my mind I'm not the best at designing terrabyte network stores
[07:22] <DaSkreech> I'm also not sure what the backend of launchpad is like but I don't know if it would be suitable
[07:23] <DaSkreech> I think that some app that would be able to cross both DE's and have a robust architecture would be very valuable to enough people that it would gain great support
[07:26] <DaSkreech> It would be pushing a boulder uphill though
[07:26] <DaSkreech> To start off
[07:31] <DaSkreech> I think that having a community driven info base would be very cool for the linux Desktop in general as well as being a strong differentiation selling point
[07:33] <chavo> DaSkreech, I was just thinking about that the other day
[07:34] <DaSkreech> Hmm?
[07:34] <chavo> A database for things like hardware setup and stuff like that
[07:34] <DaSkreech> chavo: It's there in svn
[07:35] <DaSkreech> Start on hacking then :)
[07:37] <DaSkreech> It's a pretty nice framework. I like how it allows you to be as paranoid as you like
[07:39] <DaSkreech> then if you are possibly "at risk" it can contact you and ask if you would like to offer some more info which you can then turn down if you are paranoid :)
[07:40] <DaSkreech> however you can still go and dig up the information without giving up anything
[07:54] <DaSkreech> Hobbsee: So? What about it? Am I smoking the wrong stuff?
[07:55] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: sounds interesting - good for the "hey my kde wont start" when i'ts actually from the video drivers that are suddenly playing pu or something
[07:55] <DaSkreech> I beat that game :)
[07:55] <Hobbsee> heh
[07:55] <Hobbsee> i'm quite bad at them..
[07:55] <DaSkreech> Hobbsee: I think you are mixing up knoware and my idea ;-)
[07:56] <DaSkreech> Me too I cheated
[07:56] <DaSkreech> I used the level editor on hard levels to see where the secret platforms were
[07:56] <Hobbsee> heh
[07:56] <Hobbsee> well, yeah, that's possible
[07:57] <DaSkreech> Is sabdfl the right person to put this to?
[07:58] <chavo> DaSkreech, would it be possible for say the installer to use the database for things like configuring xorg?
[07:59] <DaSkreech> chavo: Hmm?
[07:59] <chavo> if it's available of course
[07:59] <DaSkreech> Ah knoware
[07:59] <chavo> yeah
[07:59] <DaSkreech> In short yes
[07:59] <chavo> that's the kind of thing I was thinking of
[07:59] <DaSkreech> in practicality I think that it would be pretty useless
[08:00] <DaSkreech> for an installer I think that would be a bit silly
[08:00] <DaSkreech> would be nice if it could reconfigure that after install though
[08:00] <DaSkreech> though.....
[08:00] <DaSkreech> Yeah I guess it could do
[08:02] <Hobbsee> yay, another level gone :)
[08:02] <chavo> well one example is the xorg config for my laptop, it writes the wrong horizsync and vertrefresh for the monitor, so it'll only do 640x480
[08:03] <chavo> but putting the right one in and it fixes it
[08:04] <DaSkreech> right Yeah I guess if it had a cli query that could work
[08:04] <chavo> It's a pretty well known problem and a quick search on google will turn up the solution
[08:05] <DaSkreech> well my thoughts on it are that you could build a simple query tree into the installer to make it follow the same basic logic
[08:06] <DaSkreech> So if the problem is already known and the fix is already known then put it in the code
[08:06] <DaSkreech> No need for a fancy framework for that
[08:07] <chavo> no
[08:10] <DaSkreech> Hobbsee: Which level?
[08:10] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: er, i think ij ust conquered 8, then got 9
[08:10] <Hobbsee> i was having a lot of trouble with 8
[08:12] <DaSkreech> 18 more to go :-)
[08:14] <Hobbsee> hehe
[10:12] <nixternal`zzz> g'nite
[10:36] <\sh> Riddell: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuLaunchpadIntegration it should be easy to integrate. 
[10:38] <\sh> gnome is doing this: mvo wrote a small lib, which gives you a method to hook into the helpmenu and adding new menu entries for LP. We can do this in the same package as gnome does, creating 2 binary packages (liblaunchpad-integration0-kde and liblaunchpad-integration0-gnome
[10:38] <\sh> after this, they are patching the gnome sources to add this menu hook to the help menu, that we can do with KHelpMenu() as well
[10:39] <mornfall> why oh why it so looks that kubuntu is constantly playing a catch-up game?
[10:39] <mornfall> it's almost annoying
[10:39] <\sh> mornfall: because many devs are using gnome in the first place...
[10:39] <mornfall> KubuntuLaunchpadIntegration, note Created: 6/6/06 by JonathanRiddell
[10:40] <mornfall> i like the date
[10:40] <\sh> The Omen was released on this date ;)
[10:40] <\sh> (remake of the old movie)
[10:41] <mornfall> \sh: no i don't mean that (wrt catch-up)... more like why just can't kubuntu go in its own direction instead of tailing ubuntu all the time
[10:42] <\sh> mornfall: then we need 3 archives, one for ubuntu-base, ubuntu-gnome and ubuntu-kde, ubuntu-base for all the underlaying technological things like hal, dbus, acpi kernel etc.pp the plain system without the desktop, then gnome and then kde
[10:42] <mornfall> \sh: why so?
[10:42] <mornfall> well, either way
[10:43] <\sh> mornfall: because mark wants one single community, doesn't matter if they are using gnome or kde or xfce or <insert your favorite and not invented desktop management system ever here>
[10:43] <mornfall> mark is just being silly
[10:44] <\sh> mornfall: no. the problem is just that: developer X is using gnome, but responsible for feature Y, after implementing feature Y in ubuntu-base he starts the gnome integration just as a add on, which doesn't work for kubuntu right now.
[10:45] <mornfall> \sh: yes, you can't expect developers to implement features in both kde and gnome... you can't expect users to support other users that use both kde and gnome... etc
[10:45] <mornfall> the "one community" thing just doesn't work
[10:46] <mornfall> they systems are too different
[10:46] <\sh> mornfall: and to be honest, that was my biggest "rant" before the linuxtag talks. Instead of developing feature Y and start talking with all desktop developers to find a good way of implementing it at the same time, kubuntu was just losing 
[10:47] <mornfall> \sh: and that's going to continune, now, isn't it?
[10:47] <mornfall> linuxtag talk was too much like pr and too little like actual change from what i hear
[10:47] <mornfall> (i wasn't there)
[10:47] <mornfall> anyhow
[10:47] <mornfall> food, be back in a bit
[10:47] <\sh> mornfall: the "one community" thing doesn't work in the social way, which is quite correct, but it would work for the technical part, if there is someone who just does a good project managment and does know what he is doing.
[10:49] <\sh> s/he/he\/she\/it/
[11:03] <mornfall> \sh: the problem is that communities are social phenomenon, even if centered around technical issues
[11:04] <\sh> mornfall: right, but inside a "company" you can fix technical issues and most of the developers tend to work together even in our gnome and kde world ;)
[11:04] <\sh> mornfall: but there needs to be an institution which brings them together
[11:05] <mornfall> if the institution pays money to the people yes
[11:05] <\sh> a position like a "communication officer" or a project manager who knows the changes in ubuntu-base, and can try to synchronize the development between all different desktop systems
[11:05] <mornfall> but it's still not a community in the sense that if company stops paying money people will disappear in all different directions
[11:06] <mornfall> communication officer, that's ... interesting... but it doesn't make one community out of two, it just keeps both better informed
[11:06] <\sh> mornfall: this is one of the problems all companies in our FOSS world have...see RH and the missing "RH KDE Package Guru" Bero 
[11:06] <\sh> mornfall: which could help inside a company...
[11:07] <\sh> mornfall: the community part is not even touched
[11:07] <mornfall> heh, i work for RH... i just don't have time/motivation to work on kde there
[11:07] <\sh> mornfall: RH US HQ had/has the position of a communication officer, he sat, when I was visiting the HQ in 2001, directly in the middle of the left wing ;)
[11:08] <mornfall> :-)
[11:08] <\sh> what was his name again...
[11:08] <mornfall> RH is just too big for one person
[11:08] <\sh> oh man, he was the only smoker in this heat
[11:08] <mornfall> heh
[11:09] <\sh> mornfall: are you working somewhere else then raleigh/durham hq?
[11:09] <mornfall> obviously :)
[11:10] <mornfall> brno office, czech republic
[11:10] <\sh> ah yes, you are reporting to surrey, right?
[11:11] <mornfall> nah, don't even know that person
[11:11] <\sh> Surrey, UK ;)
[11:11] <\sh> the european HQ ;)
[11:11] <mornfall> i don't even know the place ;-)
[11:12] <mornfall> we report to stuttgart, mostly
[11:12] <\sh> mornfall: oh...so you know chris huettermann and harald hoyer ;)
[11:12] <\sh> and dirk haaga?
[11:12] <mornfall> not quite? :p
[11:13] <mornfall> i may have met them once or so
[11:15] <\sh> mornfall: do you still have this brainwashing week in RH HQ for starting RH employes?
[11:15] <\sh> in my first week they send me directly to the US for brainwashing ;)
[11:24] <\sh> ok..need to shower...laters
[11:29] <mornfall> nope, it would probably get expensive, with the hiring rate we have ;-)
[12:03] <toma> moguh
[12:23] <\sh> re
[12:42] <toma> wbi \sh
[12:42] <Hobbsee> heya toma 
[12:42] <toma> hey Hobbsee
[12:49] <freeflying|away> \sh: pyQT4 out
[12:50] <\sh> freeflying|away: I'm just compiling the whole python-sip4/pyqt/pykde toolchain
[12:50] <\sh> freeflying|away: then I'm doing some work on pyQT4
[12:51] <freeflying|away> \sh: how about the qt4, will we patch the qt-copy
[12:52] <\sh> freeflying|away: dunno...as long kde4 is not somehow available, we have to stick with qt3 and qt4 will be only there for some special applications
[01:09] <\sh> Ok, searching Beta testers for jabber.kubuntu.de :) 
[01:11] <\sh> Riddell: if you can add some dns records to kubuntu.org we could provide jabber services for kubuntu.org as well
[01:12] <\sh> Riddell: if not, let jabber.kubuntu.de be the default xmpp service for kubuntu in kopete ;)
[01:13] <Hobbsee> now that would be cool - i'd wondered about jabber for kubuntu.org
[01:20] <freeflying|away> \sh: how to use jabber.kubuntu.de  :)
[01:20] <Hobbsee> freeflying|away: thru kopete?
[01:20] <\sh> freeflying|away: kopete, psi, gajim, gaim, www.jabber.org is a good pointer :=
[01:41] <jpatrick> Riddell: merge for you: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2399
[02:12] <\sh> compiling python-qt3 for edgy...t43 is getting hot ;)
[02:16] <freeflying-g4> \sh: use gcc-4.1?
[02:16] <\sh> freeflying-g4: yes
[02:20] <\sh> oh no
[02:20] <\sh> gcc-4.1 is not in build-essentials? and not being updated grmpf...moemnt
[02:22] <danimo> \sh: is there already a repos for edgy?
[02:22] <\sh> danimo: there is
[02:22] <\sh> danimo: but not up2date...with gcc4.1
[02:22] <freeflying-g4> \sh: you are using edgy's chroot?
[02:22] <danimo> \sh: but I probably don't want to try it on my production machine, right? :)
[02:22] <\sh> freeflying-g4: yes
[02:22] <\sh> freeflying-g4: and pbuilder 
[02:23] <\sh> danimo: you don't want...that's right :)
[02:23] <danimo> \sh: you gotta show me edgy at froscon
[02:24] <freeflying-g4> \sh I have updated ktorrent to latest
[02:24] <\sh> danimo: well, I can show you a chroot ;)
[02:24] <danimo> \sh: sure
[02:24] <danimo> my laptop isn't big enough for a chroot
[02:24] <\sh> danimo: I have chroots on amd64 and on this t43 laptop ;)
[02:28] <Hobbsee> danimo: whyever not?  most things will fit a chroot
[02:29] <\sh> hmmm...looks like that the latest change to debootstrap of kamion is not in debootstrap at all, I don't find an edgy script
[02:29] <jpatrick> Hobbsee: did that yesterday
[02:30] <Hobbsee> jpatrick: did it die?
[02:30] <jpatrick> Nope
[02:30] <jpatrick> just updated basefiles
[02:32] <Hobbsee> mmm okay
[02:32] <danimo> Hobbsee: yes, if you have more than like... 100 MB of free space...
[02:32] <Hobbsee> ah..ouch.
[02:33] <Hobbsee> haha
[02:33] <Hobbsee> well, yeah
[02:36] <\sh> brb ... real lifes calling
[03:00] <jpatrick> Woohoo! kxdocker merged/updated
[03:03] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ping
[03:03] <jpatrick> Hobbsee: hey i was going to do that :(
[03:03] <Hobbsee> shoul dhave responded first, but i figured i'd check the page :P
[03:03] <jpatrick> I'm still waiting for him
[03:03] <Hobbsee> jpatrick: how about we both do it?
[03:04] <jpatrick> I think we'll need more than that
[03:05] <Hobbsee> you mean we need more than two pitchforks, and two axes?
[03:05] <jpatrick> He's probably learnt from past experience and has had it reinforced
[03:06] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:06] <jpatrick> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/edgy-changes/2006-June/000037.html
[03:06] <jpatrick> Go me
[03:08] <danimo> "kxdocker   - innovative docker for KDE that is like Mac OSX Docker"
[03:08] <danimo> wtf?
[03:08] <danimo> it's either innovative or a poor os x rip off
[03:08] <danimo> last time I checked it was the latter
[03:09] <jpatrick> danimo: that's what Debian maintainer wrote
[03:09] <jpatrick> Not my fault..
[03:09] <danimo> jpatrick: not blaming you, just being shocked by such absurd scentences
[03:10] <danimo> because the linux community _is_ getting threatened all the time to equal innovation with "copying from os x"
[03:10] <danimo> or windows, or whatever
[03:10] <danimo> on the desktop it's os x though
[03:10] <\sh> jpatrick: how do you compile with gcc-4.1 in a chroot? updating alternatives?
[03:11] <\sh> jpatrick: or changing symlinks?
[03:11] <jpatrick> I have no idea.. :|
[03:11] <\sh> jpatrick: so you are compiling with gcc-4.0 still ;)
[03:12] <freeflying-g4> jpatrick: seems not accept upload now
[03:12] <jpatrick> freeflying-g4: why not?
[03:12] <\sh> because edgy buildds are not ready and not up2date
[03:12] <\sh> gcc is not really build
[03:13] <\sh> and everything which is in the queue now is not build 
[03:13] <\sh> not even debootstrap :( which could help me a lot
[03:13] <jpatrick> I didn't know that
[03:13] <\sh> jpatrick: now you know ;)
[03:14] <\sh> jpatrick: you have to wait for the new toolchain ;) with a lot of breakage ;)
[03:14] <jpatrick> sounds  messy
[03:14] <freeflying-g4> actually, we can not do anything now
[03:14] <danimo> jpatrick: (sorry for whining :)
[03:14] <\sh> jpatrick: most propably kxdocker will break
[03:15] <jpatrick> :(
[03:15] <\sh> I can't even compile my python stuff :(
[03:23] <Hobbsee> \sh: why so?
[03:24] <\sh> Hobbsee: because it's not focused enough on opensource protocol IMs
[03:24] <Hobbsee> ah, true
[03:24] <\sh> I can't even geht service discovery to show up
[03:24] <\sh> it should work somehow, but how?
[03:24] <\sh> s/geht/get/
[03:34] <\sh> > this is really good news. Does it mean, that work will start on
[03:34] <\sh> > QScintilla2? ;)
[03:34] <\sh> Yes, but if, in the next 4 weeks, Germany beat England on penalties then I'm 
[03:34] <\sh> not going to release it.
[03:34] <\sh> Phil
[03:37] <\sh> I have to stop the german national soccer team from winning...where is my personal army?
[03:40] <kwwii> don't worry, the americans aren't out yet :-)
[03:41] <kwwii> and if they beat teh czech republic and italy, they can probably beat germany :p
[03:41] <jpatrick> Spain are going to get thrashed
[03:41] <\sh> kwwii: I hope so...I don't want to see the krauts winning ;)
[03:41] <kwwii> oh, america will loose too
[03:41] <\sh> I hope brasilia will win, and I got one of their girls ;)
[03:41] <kwwii> i have already accepted my fate
[03:42] <\sh> and I will get one of their girls
[03:42] <kwwii> (but i bought a t-shirt anyway)
[03:42] <jpatrick> \sh: England ftw
[03:42] <\sh> kwwii: a german or american? ;) 
[03:42] <kwwii> so I will be the only idiot running around with a team usa t-shirt
[03:43] <\sh> oh heaven, time for another beer
[03:43] <kwwii> hehe
[03:43] <kwwii> sounds like a good decision, I will follow your lead
[03:43] <\sh> kwwii: lol
[03:44] <Hobbsee> oh please.  we're discussing soccer now are we?
[03:44] <\sh> kwwii: we have a lot of work ahead of us :) jabber.kubuntu.de will be final release born in the next 3 weeks ;) 
[03:44] <\sh> Hobbsee: soccer without a beer in germany? 
[03:44] <danimo> \sh: another jabber server? :)
[03:45] <Hobbsee> \sh: heh
[03:45] <danimo> \sh: that's why  I don't watch soccer today - I had more beer the last 3 days than in the rest of this year I guess
[03:45] <\sh> danimo: for kubuntu yes :) it should be the default in kopete, when kopete will drop their non-open source protocols
[03:46] <\sh> danimo: I can't watch soccer anyways...I don't have a tv or radio 
[03:46] <danimo> \sh: why sould they they do it?
[03:46] <\sh> danimo: because it's a pain in da ass with kopetes plugins for icq etc. xmpp is stable...
[03:47] <danimo> \sh: parse error
[03:47] <\sh> danimo: and it's not a good release preparation, when you update most of the plugins after kde releases and doing self announced point releases
[03:48] <\sh> danimo: (kopete 0.12 that is :()
[03:48] <\sh> danimo: for a distro it's hell when they ship it from kdenetwork 
[03:48] <\sh> danimo: no really, what's missing is a "real xmpp client" like psi in kde
[03:51] <danimo> \sh: if only everyone gave up on other services and if only jabber had a working video-option like msn... maybe, just maybe people would switch
[03:51] <danimo> and if jabber servers were anything close to reliable
[03:51] <danimo> but that's fixable the easiest I guess
[03:52] <\sh> well, I restarted my jabber service today for the first time, until today it ran without any disturbance for the last 200 days
[03:52] <\sh> 200 days ago, I had to restart my server completly because of a kernel update
[03:53] <danimo> \sh: tell that to the dudes at jabber.org :(
[03:54] <danimo> (which is the suggested jabber service with psi)
[03:56] <\sh> danimo: that we can change easily in the source of psi ;)
[03:56] <\sh> danimo: I'll talk to Peter St. Andre about the issues...because ejabberd is known as very reliable
[03:57] <danimo> \sh: what issues?
[03:57] <danimo> \sh: it's probably not directly a daemon issue
[03:57] <\sh> danimo: when jabber.org is not stable enough...they should move to a better upstream or the sysadmin is not reliable ;)
[03:58] <danimo> \sh: but such services need a good redundancy setup
[03:58] <danimo> \sh: yes, I guess that's the thing
[03:58] <\sh> danimo: that's one of the things I'll figure out with jabber.kubuntu.de and my other services...I'll try to find a sponsor for at least 4 machines
[03:59] <\sh> danimo: and the video stuff, we have xmpp rfcs for that...It just needs to be implemented
[04:02] <toma> \sh: switching jabber daemon is not easy
[04:03] <toma> the backend stores the data differently
[04:03] <\sh> toma: I switched from jabberd1.4 to jabberd2 at past times in less then 5 hours...with 3k users, and from jabberd2 to ejabberd in less then 2 hours with around 9k users :)
[04:04] <\sh> that reminds me...I need to learn erlang ;)
[04:04] <toma> \sh: ok, well i wasn't that lucky when i did it
[04:04] <toma> but i cant recall details, it has been ages ago
[04:04] <\sh> toma: but yes, jabberDs are sometimes nasty
[04:07] <Hobbsee> mmm...dinner
[04:09] <\sh> kwwii: cheers ;)
[04:35] <Hobbsee> kwwii: what's for dinner?
[04:40] <\sh> dner kebap with extra hot chilis
[04:41] <Hobbsee> eek
[04:42] <\sh> the right food for sunday
[04:42] <\sh> NO!
[04:43] <\sh> Hobbsee: why? chilli is healthy_
[04:44] <Hobbsee> heh
[04:44] <Hobbsee> i'll take your word for it...
[04:44] <\sh> Hobbsee: ask jsgotangco ;)
[04:45] <Hobbsee> heh
[04:48] <jsgotangco> heh bring it on
[04:49] <\sh> jsgotangco: tell Hobbsee that chillis are healthy ;)
[04:50] <\sh> yesterday, I went to my special turkish restaurant and ordered dner and lamacun..with a lot of chilli...
[04:51] <jsgotangco> why not?
[04:51] <jsgotangco> Hobbsee: you haven't seen boiled duck egg yet...
[04:51] <\sh> and this guy gave me green pepperoni and red chilli fruits for having fun at night ;)
[04:51] <\sh> and believe me, that was really hot
[04:52] <\sh> jsgotangco: it was really good, because in hot times (speaking of weather) it's quite better to eat chillis then to eat ice
[04:53] <jsgotangco> Hobbsee: http://www.asiacuisine.com.sg/Nacws/1998/9/314/
[04:55] <\sh> jsgotangco: whenever we will meet each other, please take some of this with you...I want to taste...really...
[04:55] <jsgotangco> i dunno if it can get customs when i drop over to hannover this year...
[04:59] <Hobbsee> jsgotangco: mmm...okay...hehe
[04:59] <\sh> jsgotangco: don't mention it
[05:03] <Hobbsee> night all
[05:11] <\sh> kwwii: dude, I'm having my fourth beer, and feeling somehow "It's summer somehow in germany" 
[05:12] <kwwii> hehe
[05:12] <kwwii> the weather here is great at the moment
[05:14] <jpatrick> It certainly is getting HOT over here
[05:16] <kwwii> that is one thing about germany, it never gets hot
[05:16] <\sh> kwwii: we need to meet for a braai
[05:16] <kwwii> it gets almost hot
[05:17] <kwwii> \sh: you should come to bamberg sometime
[05:17] <kwwii> \sh: we have lots of great biergarten
[05:18] <\sh> kwwii: next month .. but I need some place to sleep somewhere
[05:18] <kwwii> \sh: you can always pass out on my couch :-) (as long as you don't mind getting up with my son in the morning)
[05:18] <kwwii> \sh: or you could sleep in my office (but we smoke in there)
[05:18] <\sh> kwwii: no problem :) I'm still a father ;)
[05:18] <kwwii> so it's either child or smoke
[05:18] <kwwii> :-)
[05:19] <\sh> hmm..smoke ;)
[05:19] <\sh> kids, smoking is dangerous ;)
[05:20] <\sh> kwwii: wait..you mean "smoke" or "smoke"?
[06:04] <kwwii> first the one smoke and then the other smoke
[06:07] <tvo> any clue when UVF will be for edgy?
[06:13] <\sh> tvo: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/EdgyReleaseSchedule
[06:13] <kbrooks> Ummm
[06:13] <kbrooks> i need to talk to all of you
[06:14] <kbrooks> including you, \sh
[06:14] <kbrooks> all right.
[06:14] <tvo> \sh: that one's still empty.. unless I ought to look at the light yellowish cells
[06:14] <\sh> tvo: given that edgy will be 4.5 months release 
[06:14] <kbrooks> lets see.
[06:14] <\sh> tvo: I would say after max. 1 month
[06:15] <kbrooks> anyone here might have heard of EasyUbuntu
[06:15] <\sh> kbrooks: including me? 
[06:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> \sh, this is quite possible :)
[06:15] <kbrooks> now, you might not care about EU, but we have a MAJOR bug
[06:15] <kbrooks> that MUST be fixed with the kubuntu team's cooperation
[06:15] <kbrooks> this bug only occurs on Kubuntu
[06:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> :%S/cooperation/help
[06:16] <kbrooks> EU = EasyUbuntu
[06:17] <kbrooks> the bug occurs when a software is about to be configured (in the pre-config stage)
[06:17] <ubijtsa> kbrooks: is there a Malone # for the defect?
[06:17] <kbrooks> like flash, or java
[06:17] <\sh> wtf is easyubuntu?
[06:17] <kbrooks> ubijtsa: i'll file it when i'm finished explaning
[06:18] <kbrooks> \sh: easyubuntu is a tool for users to install codecs, and stuff like that
[06:19] <\sh> kbrooks: so something very unsupported and non legal ?
[06:19] <kbrooks> \sh: huh? easyubuntu is open source
[06:19] <kbrooks> i'm not asking for it to be included in kubuntu
[06:19] <\sh> kbrooks: install codecs sounds like win32codecs...;)
[06:19] <ubijtsa> If I've understood it right, the 'pre-config' stage has nothing to do with apt or dpkg, but all to do with the easy-ubuntu install tool ?
[06:19] <kbrooks> \sh: it can install other stuff too
[06:20] <kbrooks> ubijtsa: actually...
[06:20] <kbrooks> ubijtsa: it has something to do with dpkg
[06:20] <ubijtsa> in that case it affects all of ubuntu
[06:20] <kbrooks> ubijtsa: You're jumping to conclusions
[06:21] <kbrooks> let me explain the origin of the problem
[06:22] <kbrooks> the origin of the problem is that we use apt-get, not adept
[06:22] <kbrooks> and print apt-get's output to a log window
[06:22] <\sh> kbrooks: adept is just a frontend to apt 
[06:23] <kbrooks> that's right. 
[06:23] <kbrooks> \sh: but it's inconsistent
[06:24] <\sh> kbrooks: if so, please file a bug on launchpad
[06:24] <kbrooks> \sh: i'm a developer of easyubuntu
[06:24] <\sh> kbrooks: so a developer of easyubuntu doesn't file bugs?
[06:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> wait a moment
[06:25] <kbrooks> \sh:i don't want to file this bug. it has been filed many times over
[06:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> kbrooks, expalain the problem, then talk about a fix
[06:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> dont get sidetracked :)
[06:25] <\sh> kbrooks: so mornfall has it on it's todo...please give me an url?
[06:25] <mornfall> what again?
[06:25] <kbrooks> mornfall: hey
[06:25] <mornfall> hey
[06:25] <\sh> mornfall: something with easyubuntu
[06:26] <mornfall> but, but...
[06:26] <mornfall> i have nothing with easyubuntu
[06:26] <kbrooks> mornfall: can you make adept accept -o and --set-selections?
[06:26] <mornfall> no
[06:26] <kbrooks> we're looking for that
[06:26] <\sh> kbrooks: why don't you use apt?
[06:26] <kbrooks> wait
[06:26] <kbrooks> let me start ALL over
[06:27] <mornfall> right, what is the problem
[06:28] <kbrooks> adept doesn't accept -o or --set-selections like synaptic does.
[06:28] <mornfall> well, patches welcome... sortof... adept is feature frozen
[06:28] <mornfall> so it may go to development trunk
[06:28] <mornfall> but that doesn't even compile now
[06:28] <mornfall> and won't for few more weeks it seems
[06:28] <kbrooks> therefore, it is incompatible with synaptic
[06:28] <mornfall> so what? :)
[06:28] <mornfall> it's has very little to do with synaptic
[06:28] <ubijtsa> is it even intended to be?
[06:28] <mornfall> i don't see why it should be compatible
[06:29] <kbrooks> this bug: https://launchpad.net/products/easyubuntu/+bug/41024
[06:29] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 41024 in easyubuntu "Install Flash on the Dapper test pkg" [High,Confirmed]  
[06:29] <kbrooks> occurs on kubuntu
[06:29] <kbrooks> as a result of us using apt-get directly
[06:30] <mornfall> easyubuntu at pastebin is dead
[06:30] <kbrooks> note this comment: "This is probably caused because of the pretty dialogue that installing flash *through apt-get on terminal* brings up (the grey box, blue background)" (emphasis and additional information added by me)
[06:30] <mornfall> so the report is sort of useless that way
[06:30] <kbrooks> mornfall: see above
[06:30] <mornfall> see above where?
[06:31] <mornfall> screenshot could help
[06:31] <mornfall> or output of apt-get
[06:31] <kbrooks> i don't run kubuntu
[06:32] <kbrooks> asking for screenshot
[06:33] <\sh> kbrooks: but you are running a gui?
[06:34] <kbrooks> \sh: ubuntu, yes. but the problem doesn't occur on ubuntu
[06:34] <mornfall> well, i couldn't reproduce in xterm
[06:34] <mornfall> may be konsole interaction
[06:34] <mornfall> and i don't have any ubuntu installation anymore
[06:34] <mornfall> so, tough luck
[06:34] <mornfall> it's non-free anyway
[06:34] <mornfall> so i don't quite care
[06:34] <kbrooks> mornfall: what's non-free?
[06:34] <mornfall> java
[06:34] <mornfall> and flash
[06:34] <kbrooks> mornfall: just checking
[06:35] <mornfall> basically all the troublesome packages :)
[06:35] <\sh> mornfall: ah well, didn't we have this problem with java actually? 
[06:35] <kbrooks> ubijtsa: it's not failing.
[06:35] <mornfall> \sh: we do
[06:35] <mornfall> \sh: and now i am starting to think it's not adept bug at all ;)
[06:35] <\sh> so it's a know bug for 2 of the packages.
[06:35] <mornfall> \sh: (wrt not accepting input)
[06:35] <mornfall> well
[06:36] <kbrooks> hmmm. hold on
[06:36] <mornfall> nonfree packages not working is the last thing i care about
[06:36] <\sh> kbrooks: try to convince sub that java has to be opensource and forget about flash, because it's most of the time not needed? ;)
[06:37] <\sh> s/sub/sun/
[06:37] <kbrooks> \sh: um, how do i get selections?
[06:37] <kbrooks> its a command in debconf-utils
[06:38] <kbrooks> \sh: nm, found it
[06:38] <ubijtsa> then again, I know what to look for, and generally use aptitude
[06:39] <\sh> ubijtsa: which is somehow no solution to broken debconf scripts ;)
[06:40] <kbrooks> a temporary work around for this problem would bbe to change debconf/frontend to something else
[06:40] <kbrooks> *i* don't know what
[06:40] <ubijtsa> \sh: very true, but that means the package is broken, not kubuntu, apt or dpkg
[06:41] <\sh> ubijtsa: right
[06:41] <kbrooks> ubijtsa, \sh. this is just a easyubuntu bug, not a package bug. it affeccts numberous users
[06:41] <kbrooks> i bneed a real solution, not a work around
[06:41] <kbrooks> hacky*
[06:41] <\sh> kbrooks: easyubuntu is not officially supported, post a bugfix with patch to this very special bug url..and we try to fix it
[06:42] <ubijtsa> kbrooks: as they say where I work, you can have a workaround fast, or a real solution in a while
[06:43] <kbrooks> what don't you understand?
[06:43] <kbrooks> @ \sh and  ubijtsa 
[06:44] <kbrooks> don't ignore me. :-)
[06:44] <ubijtsa> uhm
[06:44] <\sh> kbrooks: what I understand is: "Ubuntu, kubuntu, xubuntu doesn't have problems actually, and the problems kubuntu has is quite known. But easyubuntu is not supported by all means, has problems. So it's a easyubuntu bug or a debconf bug, which we can't fix without a proper bugreport"
[06:45] <kbrooks> \sh: what don't you understand though about this?
[06:46] <\sh> kbrooks: where is the launchpad bug url which describes this bug
[06:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> have fun ubijtsa 
[06:46] <kbrooks> \sh: i'll file. i forgot to file
[06:46] <kbrooks> \sh: give me 5 minutes
[06:46] <\sh> kbrooks: I don't even know what packages you are installing for a base installation
[06:47] <\sh> kbrooks: do you have a possibilty to run easyubuntu from ssh?
[07:00] <Riddell> \sh: seen the announcement from Phil?
[07:00] <\sh> Riddell: where_
[07:01] <\sh> debian?
[07:01] <Riddell> oh, it's on marketplace@trolltech.com
[07:01] <Riddell> weird
[07:01] <Riddell> Riverbank Computing is pleased to announce the release of PyQt v4.0 available
[07:01] <Riddell> from http://www.riverbankcomputing.co.uk/pyqt/.
[07:01] <\sh> oh yes, pyqt4 sure
[07:02] <Riddell> would be cool to have kubuntu packages first :)
[07:02] <\sh> Riddell: I need gcc 4.1 in debootstrap and/or pbuilder that's all ;)
[07:02] <Riddell> right
[07:03] <\sh> Riddell: torsten and I are working on them...I fixed the last two bugs in debian actually ;)
[07:03] <\sh> Riddell: but what do you think about jabber.kubuntu.org^W.de
[07:03] <Riddell> \sh: why would we need it?
[07:04] <Riddell> who's torsten?
[07:04] <\sh> Riddell: Torsten Marek, debian maintainer of the python-qt* packages
[07:04] <\sh> Riddell: because we need some identifying kubuntu default content ;)
[07:11] <\sh> now I'm full with food
[07:11] <\sh> pasta with gorgonzola
[08:00] <kbrooks> Is python-qt* included in Kubuntu
[08:35] <noel> Hi guys, when the kopete 0.12 will be available on dapper-backport?
[08:43] <goldenear> Riddell: Could a QT4 app be part of edgy ?
[08:44] <goldenear> Riddell: I'm asking that because Koos is wondering if it should not directly go to QT4 (KDE 4 in mind) for Oskar (the media player)
[08:46] <danimo> goldenear: another player?
[08:46] <goldenear> The next version of kmplayer, renamed Oskar for the occasion :)
[08:47] <danimo> ah!
[08:47] <goldenear> with a new, more functional GUI
[08:47] <toma> kmplayer is already functional
[08:48] <goldenear> of course it is...
[08:48] <goldenear> and it's specially very good for video embedded in webpages
[08:49] <goldenear> but the standalone player lacks many functions
[08:49] <toma> ?
[08:50] <danimo> this is sorta nuts
[08:50] <goldenear> that's why we're working on oskar
[08:50] <danimo> plus kmplayer gives me wrong gamma values
[08:50] <danimo> goldenear: does mplayer provide dvb support?
[08:51] <goldenear> oskar should not use mplayer
[08:51] <danimo> goldenear: but?
[08:51] <danimo> directly using phonon?
[08:52] <goldenear> kmplayer, unlike its name sounds, is not a frontend to mplayer
[08:53] <goldenear> it can use sevral frontends Xine, Gstreamer and mplayer
[08:53] <toma> backends
[08:53] <goldenear> all these backend will ofcourse be replaced by Phonon for KDE4
[08:54] <goldenear> oops :/ yes backends :)
[08:54] <danimo> goldenear: the question is if phonon is going to support DVB and stuff
[08:55] <danimo> goldenear: and did you talk to the guys? does it make any sense to use KDE 4 / Qt 4 port for a joint rewrite?
[08:55] <goldenear> I would like Oskar to be ready for edgy... but if the choise is to go directly to KDE4 it obviously won't be
[08:56] <danimo> goldenear: who goes to KDE 4?
[08:56] <goldenear> Phonon should support any feature a multimedia frame can have... so DVB should be part of phonon
[08:56] <danimo> goldenear: that's not phonon's design-goal
[08:56] <danimo> goldenear: : better check back with matthias about that
[08:57] <danimo> goldenear: although I agree that DVB-T support might make sense
[08:57] <goldenear> Oskar will keep support DVB anyway
 goldenear: who goes to KDE 4? <-- Koos, the dev of kmplayer, is thinking about directly go to QT4
[09:00] <danimo> goldenear: that makes sense
[09:00] <goldenear> but KDE4 is for Edgy +2
[09:00] <danimo> goldenear: but  "but if the choise is to go directly to KDE4 it obviously won't be" sounds like edgy would be based on KDE 3
[09:00] <danimo> err, KDE 4
[09:01] <goldenear> More than 1 year to wait....
[09:01] <goldenear> and I don't think a QT4 app can work with KDE 3.5
[09:01] <goldenear> especialy for kpart
[09:01] <danimo> goldenear: well it's pretty simple
[09:02] <danimo> goldenear: if you want to reach your users within the next 6 months, go KDE 3, but take a look at KDE 4 to prevent ugly design decisions
[09:02] <danimo> (like using QPtrList, etc)
[09:03] <danimo> goldenear: I would defer the "complete rewrite" until then though
[09:03] <goldenear> At the moment, Oskar should only be a rewrite of the kmplayer UI
[09:03] <danimo> goldenear: and just mess with the guy as much as you can isolate those two things
[09:03] <danimo> goldenear: ok, then redo the gui in KDE3
[09:04] <danimo> really
[09:05] <goldenear> danimo: I've already redisgned the UI with QTdesigner
[09:06] <goldenear> it's a simple .ui file at the moment
[09:06] <danimo> goldenear: is designer powerful enough for your purpose?
[09:06] <goldenear> yes it is
[09:06] <goldenear> all the UI is ready now
[09:08] <goldenear> it's only needing a few code to be fully ready (side panel)
[09:11] <goldenear> danimo: If you want to see how will Oskar look like, here is a screen shot: http://goldenear.online.fr/oskar/oscar_ui01.jpg
[09:13] <danimo> goldenear: uhm, that looks pretty much like kaffeine :)
[09:14] <goldenear> a little bit yes
[09:15] <danimo> no honestlys, what makes kmplay "unique"?
[09:15] <danimo> or oskar
[09:15] <goldenear> kmplayer is build on a very solid basis
[09:16] <goldenear> and it doesn't hang konqueror :)
[09:18] <goldenear> the integration with KDE/Konq is really well done in kmplayer
[09:19] <goldenear> oskar will do the same... but with a nice UI for the standalone player too :)
[09:39] <Riddell> goldenear: yes, qt4 is cool in edgy
[09:40] <Riddell> goldenear: and please please don't call Oskar, osKar
[09:40] <Riddell> kbrooks: it is
[09:40] <kbrooks> Riddell: ?
[09:40] <Riddell> 19:00 < kbrooks> Is python-qt* included in Kubuntu
[09:41] <kbrooks> Riddell: ok
[09:41] <goldenear> Riddell: but if Oskar uses QT4 and Konq QT3... if will be a problem isn't it ?
[09:42] <Riddell> goldenear: you won't be able to do native konqueror plugins
[09:44] <danimo> goldenear: just don't do Qt 4 for now
[09:44] <goldenear> ok thanks
[09:45] <danimo> goldenear: for KDE 4 apps, the downsides of KDE 4 API stability is far worse than the convienence by Qt 4
[11:53] <MrFaber> hi all
[11:54] <MrFaber> Does anyone knows why krfb has no encryption support?