[12:03] <claydoh> !repositories
[12:03] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource.
[12:03] <claydoh> !adept
[12:03] <ubotu> methinks adept is a package manager for Kubuntu. A howto is provided here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdeptHowto
[12:05] <sdolnack> what's the best way to get torrents on linux?  wine+utorrent, or azureus?
[12:05] <claydoh> ktorrent for me
[12:05] <sdolnack> ehh
[12:05] <sdolnack> ktorrent seems slow and i do'nt get a lot of connections
[12:05] <claydoh> tho many like azureus multitude of extra features
[12:05] <Bernier> sdolnak what distro r u using
[12:06] <kronoz> is their any docs on installing flash/w32codecs inside a chroot?
[12:06] <sdolnack> kubuntu dapper
[12:08] <claydoh> http://ktorrent.pwsp.net/index.php?page=downloads
[12:09] <claydoh> the breezy deb works fine in dapper
[12:09] <claydoh> the 2.0 beta1
[12:09] <james_xxx> what is the best way to get the latest firefox?
[12:09] <sdolnack> Swiftfox!!!!
[12:09] <claydoh> sudo apt-get update :)
[12:09] <sdolnack> it's optimized for specific processors, compiled from the firefox source
[12:09] <sdolnack> use it instead!! :-D
[12:10] <claydoh> ya, swiftfox is a little faster :)
[12:10] <navegante> use the update feature inside firefox
[12:11] <claydoh> but the latest official FF was just released in apt, with security patches etc
[12:11] <james_xxx> sdolnack: i dont think there is a swiftfox for my system, but i'll have to check
[12:12] <claydoh> that you will have to find and download, its not in the repositories
[12:12] <james_xxx> automatix has swiftfox
[12:13] <claydoh> but it is sooo easy to install yourself :)
[12:15] <sdolnack> james_xxx: just go to getswiftfox.com
[12:15] <sdolnack> what is automatix?
[12:16] <sdolnack> i i keep hearing all these things about it not working
[12:16] <sdolnack> james_xxx: http://www.getswiftfox.com/releases.htm
[12:17] <transgaming> where can i find programs and utilitys in .sh files
[12:17] <Bernier> hi, when I close my computer , everything goes well except for one thing. when it gets to "will now halt", there's the click sound of the computer when it closes but it doesn't. it stays open and get stuck there until I press the power button. Is there something to do so it closes automatically?
[12:18] <sdolnack> transgaming: what do you mean find programs in .sh files?
[12:18] <sdolnack> to install programs, you'll want to use Adept
[12:18] <transgaming> not .deb or rpm
[12:18] <Bernier> the source you mean
[12:18] <transgaming> program like crossoveroffice
[12:19] <sdolnack> why not use openoffice :-)
[12:19] <Bernier> right
[12:19] <transgaming> i'll use it
[12:19] <slicslak> can anyone recomend a cli mp3 player?  something with a nice text gui.
[12:19] <Bernier> cli?
[12:19] <slicslak> command line interface
[12:19] <sdolnack> transgaiming: have you tried openoffice yet?  it is a very suitable msoffice replacement.  I use it in Xp too
[12:19] <Bernier> lol sorry
[12:20] <slicslak> i can't believe i just had to define that word in a linux channell....
[12:20] <Bernier> i'm a bit tired
[12:20] <slicslak> :-p\
[12:20] <Bernier> and it's also my 3rd day on linux :P
[12:22] <transgaming> i mean that crossoveroffice is so is to install just write in a terminal << sh filename>> and it's done
[12:22] <transgaming> i can't install deb files
[12:22] <transgaming> :(
[12:23] <sdolnack> yeah--it's a bit different from windows
[12:23] <slicslak> transgaming, what exactly are you looking fore?
[12:26] <claydoh> 95 % of what you will find is available in adept, once you edit repositories
[12:27] <claydoh> no need to download separate files
[12:28] <h3sp4wn> some stuff is not in adept that is useful though or the versions are too old
[12:28] <claydoh> as for crossover office (a commercial for-pay program) you need to set the .sh file to be executable by right-clicking on the file, choose "proerties" and check the approprriate box
[12:29] <claydoh> then you should be able to just double-click the file
[12:29] <claydoh> yes, but 95% is
[12:31] <apotekDK> Good evening everyone :)
[12:31] <claydoh> and Ubuntu's repos are about as up to date as I have seen, and they seem to have a decent line between cutting-edge-up-to-date and usable-stable-tested
[12:32] <transgaming> now i've just downloaded alien, it is tar file, how can i install it
[12:32] <Snake> Okay now.
[12:32] <apotekDK> Uhm.. I have a question regarding wireless networking.. im trying to install it but cant seem to get it working :P
[12:32] <claydoh> transgaming: install it from adept
[12:33] <claydoh> the tar fil;e is the source and has to be compiled and installed
[12:33] <h3sp4wn> Does anyone know where to get pine from in the repos (I know it cannot be distributed except as source but should it not be in the deb-src repos somewhere ?)
[12:33] <transgaming> how can i compiled and then to install
[12:33] <claydoh> you don't need to
[12:34] <claydoh> it wouls take a *lot* of other packages to be installed foirst
[12:34] <rafel> hola
[12:34] <claydoh> first enable extra repositories
[12:34] <apotekDK> Can anyone throw me a link to some documentation on ubuntu/kubuntu ? :) Cant seem to find much on ubuntu.org except some general docs.. isnt there a complete install guide?
[12:34] <claydoh> !repositories
[12:34] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource.
[12:35] <mythicness> Can anyone see any problems with this lilo.conf file= http://www.mirc.net/paste/?718
[12:35] <mythicness> It just errors with a crap load of 9A 9A 9A 9A's when I try boot
[12:35] <claydoh> then fetch updates in adept, and then search for alien
[12:35] <kwwii> ouch
[12:36] <claydoh> sorry, did I poke ya?
[12:36] <kwwii> no but I feel sorry for mythicness
[12:36] <kwwii> :-)
[12:36] <kwwii> erm, :-(
[12:36] <kronoz> what is the equivalent (sp?) of hoary's /usr/share/fonts in dapper?
[12:36] <kronoz> i'm trying to follow this, http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24575
[12:37] <D4m4ge> hi
[12:37] <sdolnack> hi
[12:38] <D4m4ge> i have a problem :/
[12:38] <sdolnack> what problem do you have?
[12:38] <D4m4ge> i cant edit my xorg.conf with kate using sudo
[12:38] <apotekDK> Can anyone throw me a link to some documentation on ubuntu/kubuntu ? :) Cant seem to find much on ubuntu.org except some general docs.. isnt there a complete install guide/update guide/etc.. :D
[12:38] <sdolnack> what happens when you try to
[12:38] <D4m4ge> ui can open it without sudo
[12:39] <sdolnack> try kdesu
[12:39] <sdolnack> instead of sudo
[12:39] <D4m4ge> ahhh
[12:39] <D4m4ge> ok lol
[12:39] <kwwii> or sudo -s for something a bit more long term
[12:40] <sdolnack> long term?
[12:40] <D4m4ge> ok thanx, seems to work
[12:40] <D4m4ge> sorry 'bout that
[12:40] <D4m4ge> fisrt time on kubuntu
[12:40] <sdolnack> glad i could help
[12:42] <D4m4ge> lets try now ;)
[12:43] <apotekDK> Was wondering.. are there any speciel linux drivers for ibm laptops?
[12:44] <trip> yeah
[12:44] <trip> If you go into adept and search for ibm
[12:44] <trip> or sudo apt-cache search ibm in terminal
[12:45] <apotekDK> Mkay! :)
[12:45] <apotekDK> noting that down
[12:46] <apotekDK> Im all new too *unix ... (can see im not the only one)
[12:46] <apotekDK> *to *unix too*
[12:46] <apotekDK> :P
[12:46] <apotekDK> What about the docs on kubuntu trip?
[12:47] <trip> hm
[12:47] <trip> gimme a second
[12:47] <apotekDK> sweet
[12:47] <trip> The ibm addons might be under a non-standard respository
[12:48] <apotekDK> how do you choose that?
[12:49] <trip> It's your /etc/apt.sources file
[12:49] <apotekDK> is there a shortcut to open the terminal?
[12:49] <trip> I thinkpad addons are used so linux can communicate with thinkpad buttons and thinkpad lights
[12:49] <trip> My dapper install is very 'customized'
[12:49] <trip> i don't remember the original layout
[12:50] <trip> if you goto K menu and run you can just run xterm
[12:50] <trip> If you'd like I can upload my sources.list for you
[12:50] <apotekDK> Right! when i browse i constantly hit the "back" key on my t42 and konquorer just goes to my home webpage :P
[12:51] <apotekDK> Im not really sure what your saying trip :) uhm..
[12:51] <trip> The sources.list file is what apt uses to find packages for your OS
[12:51] <apotekDK> xterm the same as the terminal.. just in another layout?
[12:52] <apotekDK> I enable some universe and some other source in adept
[12:52] <trip> yeah its just an x app that opens up a command line
[12:52] <trip> apotekDK, you running dapper?
[12:52] <apotekDK> yup
[12:52] <trip> k
[12:52] <apotekDK> :)
[12:52] <trip> i'll upload mine
[12:52] <apotekDK> where to?
[12:52] <trip> I'll give you a link in a second
[12:52] <apotekDK> great
[12:52] <apotekDK> the universe/multi something arent good enough?
[12:53] <trip> There are *alot* of others
[12:53] <trip> hehe
[12:53] <trip> I use the more common ones though
[12:54] <apotekDK> mkay :)
[12:56] <apotekDK> was wondering trip..  Can one enable SSH and let some other with root access fastly fix some of my issues?
[12:57] <TheHighChild> How is everthing coming along james_xx?
[12:58] <imagery> after I added some hard drives, grub gives error 17 instead of booting. I booted up the kubuntu liveCD and ran grub-install /dev/sdb (that is the HD with kubuntu on it). no change, so I booted up the liveCD again and mounted sdb1 (I only have one partition), chrooted in and ran grub-install /dev/sdb. This gives me "not found or not a block device". fdisk -l returns "cannot open /proc/partitions"
[12:58] <pekuja> is there a way to restore my bootloader (grub) from the live cd?
[01:00] <imagery> pekuja: normally by the way I tried to
[01:00] <imagery> (afaik)
[01:01] <TheHighChild> pekuja you can do 'sudo grub-install /dev/hdax' replace hdax with the desired partiton
[01:01] <imagery> btw, this is a nforce4 board on the nvidiaraid chipset
[01:01] <D4m4ge> can the ubuntu sources.list be used for kubuntu?
[01:01] <pekuja> TheHighChild, the boot partition? does that install it to the MBR?
[01:01] <TheHighChild> D4m4ge: yeah, everything is the same except the windowing system.
[01:02] <D4m4ge> ok thx ;)
[01:02] <NthDegree> D4m4ge yes the sources.list can be
[01:02] <NthDegree> oops
[01:02] <NthDegree> :$
[01:03] <TheHighChild> pekuja: TO be honest, you;ll want to talk to someone else. I am not so expert with partitons and would hate to lead you astray.
[01:03] <TheHighChild> pekuja: Hold on, I'
[01:03] <TheHighChild> ll google some stuff
[01:03] <imagery> strictly running grub-install /dev/sdb returns "could not find device for /boot: not found or not a block device". I forgot to add that
[01:04] <pekuja> TheHighChild, that's ok, I'm looking at the forums now and found a thread that looks good
[01:04] <TheHighChild> imagery if you are putting the bootloader on a second HD, you'll want to change the BIOS to boot from that disk first. It usually boots to the first harddisk
[01:04] <D4m4ge> kubuntu dapper is nice ;)
[01:04] <D4m4ge> i dont have the bugs i had with the previous version
[01:05] <D4m4ge> but like all recent linux systems it is optimized for 1280x1024 resolutions at least
[01:05] <apotekDK> I have nothing but bugs.. Or ehm.. Im just stupid :P
[01:05] <D4m4ge> feeling narrow in 1024x768
[01:05] <imagery> TheHighChild: my BIOS lets me pick which HD to boot from
[01:05] <oklinux> can any one help me on installing java ?
[01:05] <TheHighChild> !java
[01:05] <ubotu> To install Java/Sun Java see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java and see also !javadebs
[01:05] <imagery> so that is not the issue here
[01:07] <flo> does anyone have a hint on how can i get a trust usb tablet to work corectly on my dapper?
[01:08] <oklinux> why kubuntu does not have java already install ?
[01:09] <h3sp4wn> grub needs to be installed to hd0 (if it is the first disk in the drive i.e hda doesn't exist
[01:09] <Hawkwind> !java
[01:09] <ubotu> To install Java/Sun Java see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java and see also !javadebs
[01:09] <Hawkwind> oklinux: ^^^
[01:09] <Hawkwind> Read that and install java
[01:09] <apotekDK> trip? :)
[01:10] <oklinux> hey are you lost Hawkwind ?
[01:10] <Hawkwind> oklinux: Nope, not at all
[01:11] <oklinux> I did all the line on that web page but no java
[01:12] <Chicken_Fire> hi folks
[01:12] <Chicken_Fire> How do I change the download timeout in for adept? do I have to change it for apt-get? how?
[01:12] <TheHighChild> oklinux: Kubuntu/Ubuntu are completely open-source. If you want proprietary apps, you gotta get em yyourself
[01:13] <apotekDK> trip could you upload the sources list?
[01:14] <apotekDK> apt-get cant find any packages...
[01:14] <apotekDK> :S
[01:14] <serenity> hi all
[01:14] <TheHighChild> !repos
[01:14] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource.
[01:14] <imagery> TheHighChild: I just recalled grub uses hdN instead of hdX/sdX. I tried changing from hd1 to hd2 in menu.lst. hopefully that was it
[01:16] <serenity> which os games are really good?
[01:16] <imagery> or not. maybe I should play with some other numbers there
[01:16] <apotekDK> can i just copy those sources to adept? (and are they then availible in apt-get?)
[01:18] <sdolnack> jeeeez I need more grim fandango-esque games
[01:30] <neoncode> does anyone know what a moc preprocessor is?
[01:31] <neoncode> I'm trying to build firefox Bon Echo Alpha 3 and the confiure script says I don't have one.
[01:32] <neoncode> anyone?
[01:32] <sdolnack> no clue
[01:32] <sdolnack> sorry
[01:34] <Chicken__Fire> aarg, I have to press ok for the java licences to install java 1.5, but the adept installer hides it ;((((
[01:34] <Blissex> neoncode: 'apt-cache search moc' might help :-)
[01:35] <james_xxx> i am trying to configure frostwire to use an external usb hardrive for its shared folder, how do i do that? i still do not understand the linux file system
[01:35] <neoncode> there is a moc package but that's a media player...
[01:40] <D4m4ge> question : qhy does apt-cache search does not propose me a smp 686 linux-image?
[01:40] <D4m4ge> why*
[01:41] <kelly_roach> I believe apt-cache search only queries the local package cache
[01:41] <apotekDK> how do you install gnome instead og KDE?
[01:42] <kelly_roach> try apt-get install ubuntu-desktop.
[01:42] <D4m4ge> can i update the cache db?
[01:42] <apotekDK> cant find the file.. i havent added new repos
[01:43] <kelly_roach> D4m4ge: apt-get update should help in that regard, but I'm not too familiar with APT (normally use Synaptic.)
[01:43] <D4m4ge> ok thx
[01:43] <[nige] > hi all
[01:44] <kelly_roach> look in /etc/apt/sources.list; should be a list of disabled (commented out) repos.
[01:44] <D4m4ge> my sources.list mustnot be good
[01:44] <D4m4ge> oh my english is so ba, sorry :x
[01:44] <D4m4ge> bad*
[01:45] <D4m4ge> i used a friend's sources.list
[01:45] <kelly_roach> There is an online tool to automatically generate a sources.list file. I'll have a look around real quick.
[01:45] <kelly_roach> brb
[01:45] <D4m4ge> http://www.racoon97.be/sources.list
[01:46] <D4m4ge> thx a lot kelly_roach
[01:46] <D4m4ge> I prefer to say i am not from belgium
[01:46] <kelly_roach> Here's the URL: http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[01:46] <D4m4ge> people could be scared :D
[01:46] <D4m4ge> thanks
[01:46] <apotekDK> warum doch? :P
[01:47] <kelly_roach> (It's in the Netherlands)
[01:48] <james_xxx> i am trying to configure frostwire to use an external usb hardrive for its shared folder, how do i do that?
[01:48] <james_xxx> i am very scared of people from belgium.....
[01:49] <larrywells> Is there a help site for Kubuntu, I saw a great one for Ubuntu
[01:49] <larrywells> Want to look to find the system requirements
[01:49] <james_xxx> h3sp4wn: i am back to liking kubuntu again... i just hope i don't mess it up again
[01:50] <apotekDK> heh
[01:50] <apotekDK> im afraid ive already done so..
[01:50] <james_xxx> apotekDK: i have done it over and over
[01:50] <apotekDK> Not too much docs for kubuntu/ubuntu compared to debian ie..
[01:50] <h3sp4wn> jamesxxx: Is acceleration working ?
[01:50] <james_xxx> h3sp4wn: yep... on my laptop
[01:51] <james_xxx> h3sp4wn: i think if i stay away from easyubuntu i will be ok
[01:51] <h3sp4wn> So do I
[01:51] <james_xxx> i used atomatix instead... no problems
[01:51] <h3sp4wn> james_xxx: on the laptop ?
[01:52] <james_xxx> h3sp4wn: yes
[01:52] <james_xxx> h3sp4wn: i still have mepis on my desktop, i guess i will leave it that way
[01:52] <h3sp4wn> james_xxx: Hopefully that didn't install fglrx ?
[01:52] <james_xxx> h3sp4wn: NO
[01:52] <james_xxx> lol
[01:52] <AngryElf> hey all, i'm looking for the package that contains IRkick
[01:53] <AngryElf> any ideas?
[01:53] <h3sp4wn> Its easier to understand automatix
[01:53] <james_xxx> h3sp4wn: i don't think automatix has the ATI drivers
[01:53] <james_xxx> but easyubuntu does
[01:53] <h3sp4wn> I am glad - I will recommend people use automatix
[01:53] <apotekDK> isnt there a complete install guide for kubuntu?
[01:54] <tuxcicles> apotekDK: what do you need to know
[01:54] <h3sp4wn> ApotekDK: Fancy writing one ?
[01:54] <tuxcicles> ubuntu and kubuntu or from the same source
[01:54] <apotekDK> everything lol :D
[01:54] <tuxcicles> check this out http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[01:54] <james_xxx> h3sp4wn: well, despite how upset i was, i do want to thank you for your patience
[01:54] <james_xxx> you were a big help
[01:54] <apotekDK> h3sp4wn:  i dont reckon i could make a usable guide ;)
[01:55] <james_xxx> and this kind of thing is actually teaching me a lot
[01:55] <james_xxx> apotekDK: i thought you were german, but you use words like 'reckon' which makes me wonder....
[01:56] <james_xxx> or does DK = denmark?
[01:56] <apotekDK> hehe
[01:56] <tuxcicles> apotekDK: check out wiki.kubuntu.org
[01:56] <apotekDK> Denmark yes.. regarding "reckon" i got that from a australian friend :P..
[01:56] <james_xxx> lol
[01:56] <apotekDK> im on to it tuxcicles
[01:57] <apotekDK> Aber ich spreche doch auch ein bisschen deutsch :P
[02:00] <james_xxx> apotekDK: ich spreche auch ein wenig deutsch, habe aber selten die gelegenheit mein deutsch zu gebrauchen
[02:01] <NthDegree> !de
[02:01] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu oder Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de oder #edubuntu-de
[02:01] <apotekDK> :D
[02:01] <apotekDK> Sorry..
[02:01] <apotekDK> !dk
[02:01] <ubotu> Ubuntu diskussion paa dansk kan foeres i #ubuntu-dk
[02:03] <james_xxx> sorry, i didn't mean to offend anyone, the room was slow
[02:03] <apotekDK> its frustating when you cant get common things as wireless networking, sound etc. to work :S
[02:04] <james_xxx> i am trying to configure frostwire to use an external usb hardrive for its shared folder, how do i do that?
[02:04] <apotekDK> :)
[02:05] <tuxcicles> apotekDK: is it sound, or is it that you dont have codecs to play sound?  What type of network setup do you have?
[02:06] <apotekDK> Sound.. cant play mp3 files.. Dont think theres any driver loaded for the soundcard
[02:07] <apotekDK> regarding the network? What type? :D wireless? :)
[02:09] <tuxcicles> you need to install restricted codecs for gstreamer, good bad ugly mad...
[02:09] <tuxcicles> depending on version of kubuntu, akode-mpeg
[02:09] <apotekDK> dapper..
[02:10] <apotekDK> God im lost :D
[02:12] <tuxcicles> I dunno, I would check out the documentation first http://www.kubuntu.org/documentation.php
[02:13] <sdolnack> anyone try to compile the winex cvs?
[02:17] <l091548> howdy all
[02:18] <sdolnack> howdy
[02:19] <james_xxx> sdolnack: i installed swiftfox... i like it.
[02:19] <sdolnack> see! :-D
[02:19] <sdolnack> glad you do
[02:19] <james_xxx> it's awesome
[02:20] <gemidjy> what is the official KDE theme Kubuntu Dapper Drake uses?
[02:23] <tuxcicles> the gay bubble theme
[02:23] <gemidjy> o.0
[02:26] <gemidjy> what a lame answer
[02:26] <gemidjy> sooo not funny
[02:27] <Hawkwind> gemidjy: Look in kcontrol under Look & Feel and it should tell you
[02:27] <gemidjy> I dont use Kubuntu
[02:27] <gemidjy> just was interested in its default theme
[02:33] <gemidjy> wow, I can't believe
[02:33] <gemidjy> tsk tsk
[02:39] <hupp3l> is there a program in kubuntu to add "widgets"?
[02:42] <Jack_Sparrow> I read in here earlier that you can get a more stable install by installing Ubuntu then installing KDE
[02:43] <apotekDK> ive experienced several program crasches and programs not answering with the dapper install :S
[02:44] <aseigo> Jack_Sparrow: i can't see how that would be, and it certainly doesn't mimic my experience.
[02:44] <aseigo> hupp3l: superkaramba?
[02:44] <james_xxx> aseigo: what Jack_Sparrow was saying has been said a lot in here the last week or so
[02:44] <aseigo> really .. interesting.
[02:45] <james_xxx> hmm, i installed gaim, but i don't see it on any menus
[02:45] <james_xxx> how can i start gaim from the command line?
[02:45] <aseigo> james_xxx: as 'gaim'
[02:46] <aseigo> james_xxx: or just do alt-f2 or select "run command" from the kmenu and do it from there
[02:46] <aseigo> james_xxx: it should show up in the kmenu however. it may take a few seconds for the sys cache to catch up with the installation
[02:46] <james_xxx> i installed it but apparently it didn't work
[02:47] <aseigo> james_xxx: that would explain why it's not in the menu then ;) are you sure it's installed?
[02:47] <james_xxx> thanks, i'll use kopete
[02:47] <james_xxx> aseigo, i tried to install it with automatix, but for some reason it isn't doing it
[02:47] <CheeseBurgerMan> Install what?
[02:48] <aseigo> gaim
[02:48] <aseigo> james_xxx: why don't you just use adept?
[02:49] <Kyral> automatix == junk *runs*
[02:49] <CheeseBurgerMan> Yeah, what's wrong with the version in the repos?
[02:49] <james_xxx> aseigo: because you can get the newer version on automatix
[02:49] <Kyral> GAIM 2?
[02:50] <Kyral> You do realize its still development quality?
[02:50] <james_xxx> Kyral: yes
[02:50] <Kyral> and thats why its not in the repos
[02:50] <Kyral> You can compile it from scratch, but until the GAIM devs declare it stable then it won't be in the repos
[02:50] <Kyral> I do hope you understand why
[02:51] <james_xxx> Kyral: i use it on another comp, and have no problems,,,, and i think it's 2, something something beta that you are referring to....
[02:51] <CheeseBurgerMan> 2.0.0 Beta 3
[02:51] <james_xxx> ok
[02:51] <Kyral> The latest I have is GAIM 1.5.0
[02:51] <james_xxx> i had it on this computer...... but have reinstalled, i would like it back
[02:52] <Kyral> james_xxx: download the tarball and compile it :D
[02:52] <james_xxx> Kyral: i am a linux dummie
[02:52] <james_xxx> lol
[02:52] <Kyral> james_xxx: compiling ain't hard
[02:52] <james_xxx> as you have already guessed
[02:52] <Kyral> and its fun :D
[02:52] <Kyral> C'mon! Learn some things! Be more than you can be lol
[02:53] <Kyral> Plus some configure scripts are funny
[02:53] <james_xxx> Kyral: i plan to.... i bought a computer about 6 weeks ago just to experiment with linux on.... now i have linux on all 3 computers, but i'm so new still, that it ain't funny
[02:53] <Kyral> "Checking for vast quantities of ale in fride.....not found. Suggest you remedy this situation"
[02:54] <james_xxx> Kyral: speaking of ale, i need to buy some beer within the next hour, or i won't have any tomorrow
[02:54] <Kyral> james_xxx: I had a configure script output that once during my Slackware days :P
[02:55] <CheeseBurgerMan> lol
[02:55] <james_xxx> man i can't believe it's 9:00 pm , i have been messing with kubuntu and mepis all freaking day lol
[02:56] <apotekDK> its 02:55 here :S
[02:56] <CheeseBurgerMan> james_xxx: And that's a problem? :)
[02:56] <h3sp4wn> james_xxx: Here is 2am
[02:57] <james_xxx> h3sp4wn: where are you at?
[02:57] <Kyral> [H[2J
[02:57] <Kyral> Arch Linux 0.7.2 (Gimmick)    (\n) (\l)
[02:57] <h3sp4wn> james_xxx: england
[02:58] <james_xxx> ahh
[03:02] <neoncode> is it possible to have compiled versions of firefox 1.5 and Bon Echo installed at the same time?
[03:02] <james_xxx> is there any reason not to have more than one unix/linux distro on a single OC?
[03:02] <james_xxx> PC*
[03:03] <CheeseBurgerMan> Not really.
[03:04] <linuxmonkey> james_xxx:  testing purposes is the only thing i can think of
[03:04] <james_xxx> i would really like to experiment with a few other distros, and with freeBSD
[03:05] <james_xxx> would grub automatically see the other OS's?
[03:05] <CheeseBurgerMan> No, but the other distros should install grub, and in the setup process it should detect the other OS's.
[03:06] <james_xxx> ok
[03:10] <h3sp4wn> james_xxx: Read the freebsd handbook
[03:10] <h3sp4wn> james_xxx: Cover to cover every single bit of it - it will teach you alot about unix
[03:10] <h3sp4wn> james_xxx: Very well written and easy to understand
[03:11] <james_xxx> h3sp4wn: thank you, i will look for that
[03:12] <h3sp4wn> james_xxx: It is prominently displayed on the freebsd site
[03:12] <apotekDK> BSD and Linux dist. are a bit far from eathother?
[03:13] <james_xxx> h3sp4wn: i have read that freeBSD wants to give linux a run for its money in the near future
[03:13] <apotekDK> what does that mean?
[03:14] <james_xxx> well, they are wanting freeBSD to catch up, and maybe pass up linux
[03:14] <james_xxx> in its usability, capabilities, etc
[03:14] <james_xxx> i dunno
[03:15] <apotekDK> freeBSD are way further than linux?
[03:15] <james_xxx> apotekDK: i suppose it depends what you are doing... i was meaning for desktop use
[03:15] <apotekDK> everyone i know who are working professionally with servers all use *BSD... but thats maybe only fur the serverside
[03:15] <james_xxx> in the home
[03:15] <apotekDK> then your true i guess
[03:16] <apotekDK> :)
[03:16] <james_xxx> right
[03:17] <h3sp4wn> I have only used debian based stuff for 6 months or something
[03:17] <apotekDK> But anyway, im not qualified to even discuss this :P
[03:17] <h3sp4wn> used bsd before that soley
[03:17] <apotekDK> soley?
[03:17] <h3sp4wn> on desktop and servers
[03:17] <Healot> BSD-based OSes is good, if you fluent in it
[03:18] <apotekDK> you mean if you know how to use it properly?
[03:18] <Healot> yes
[03:18] <Healot> well, in much of everything
[03:18] <apotekDK> mkay.. i thought so, i dont reckon *BSD is good for beginners :S?
[03:19] <Healot> even Windows Servers, virtually any OS
[03:19] <Healot> define "beginners" :)
[03:19] <apotekDK> Me
[03:19] <apotekDK> :P
[03:19] <h3sp4wn> I think BSD is great for beginners if you read the handbook and don't move on until you understand it
[03:19] <h3sp4wn> and read all of it
[03:19] <apotekDK> Sounds true.. :)
[03:20] <Healot> many BSD-based OS designers/developers are trying to make their OS very secure at install
[03:20] <Healot> like OpenBSD for example
[03:20] <h3sp4wn> Thats quite different to freebsd
[03:20] <h3sp4wn> for a desktop
[03:20] <apotekDK> Its just.. compared to windows there are SO many problems your going to encounter.. which has happened to me everytime i forced myself to install either Linux or *BSD :)
[03:20] <Healot> even GNU/Linux... with SELinux around, even ubuntu can be as secure as possible
[03:21] <h3sp4wn> Trusted Solaris is the most secure os I have seen
[03:21] <Healot> but I know many people hate SELinux for some reasons :0
[03:21] <apotekDK> I've spend hours finding a solution to a probably easy problem.. and when i advancet i quickly got stuck with a new problem :..:P
[03:22] <h3sp4wn> You have to really understand what you are doing
[03:22] <h3sp4wn> to use selinux
[03:22] <Healot> yeah Understand
[03:22] <Healot> that's the keyword many "beginners" forget
[03:22] <apotekDK> Thats probably where im stalling ;)
[03:22] <apotekDK> "rtfm" :D
[03:23] <h3sp4wn> But not understanding something like selinux does not mean its crap
[03:23] <h3sp4wn> sounds like just people who don't know how it works properly (I don't but want to find out soon to install it on an openwrt router
[03:23] <Healot> if you understood the fundamental of OS architecture and SEcurity features
[03:24] <ahmed_> What's the command to reconfigure Xserver?
[03:24] <Healot> you can survive even with Windows
[03:24] <Healot> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[03:24] <ahmed_> I switched video cards and X isn't starting anymore for me :(
[03:24] <apotekDK> security isnt important to me lol.. i just need goddamn functionality lol
[03:24] <ahmed_> Thanks Healot
[03:25] <apotekDK> is FreeBSD overall as easy to learn how to use compared to Linux dists.?
[03:25] <Healot> apotekDK: that's where everything went wrong :)
[03:25] <Healot> apotekDK: I would say yes
[03:25] <BioVorE> apotekDK: www.freebsd.org and look at the handbook..
[03:25] <apotekDK> Hmm
[03:25] <Healot> except on disk partitioning and administrative part :)
[03:26] <apotekDK> What about installing, configuring and setting up the system?
[03:26] <BioVorE> Freebsd is an different approach to unix.. some say it better.. others say it worse..
[03:26] <BioVorE> apotekDK: read the handbook.. its fairly well layed out..
[03:27] <Healot> FreeBSD people have done tremendous things in the past and present time, i would say
[03:27] <apotekDK> I might.. :) It seems to me that Debian and FreeBSD stands out from all the rest, regarding docs, help and the community  itself
[03:27] <Healot> especially documentation
[03:27] <apotekDK> my thoughts excactly
[03:27] <Healot> th HCL for example, even Ubuntu missed this one... :)
[03:28] <apotekDK> i was surprised to see there wasnt even a real install guide to ubuntu/kubuntu on their website
[03:28] <Healot> true... sorry to say, it's true
[03:28] <Healot> but it's available on the CD though
[03:28] <apotekDK> thats really a big minus :)
[03:29] <apotekDK> Especially when their target group really seems to be linux-beginners
[03:29] <ahmed_> Woo!
[03:29] <ahmed_> X starts!
[03:29] <Healot> apotekDK: I would agree on that...
[03:30] <apotekDK> How new are these dist?
[03:30] <Healot> ubuntu?
[03:30] <Healot> start from 4.10 2004-10
[03:30] <apotekDK> if thats the oldest one?
[03:30] <tehuti> how do you initiate suspend & hibernate in kde for dapper?
[03:30] <apotekDK> okay
[03:30] <tehuti> no option in the logout dialog
[03:30] <Healot> apotekDK: the oldest is Slackware, one of the originals
[03:30] <apotekDK> of all linux dists ?
[03:31] <Healot> yeah... because you can find all the packages in Slackware,  they say
[03:31] <apotekDK> :)
[03:32] <tehuti> I can't figure out how to get suspend-hibernate started in KDE (ubuntu 6.06), is there an option in the logout dialog in Kubuntu 6.06?
[03:33] <michelleindeed> hello. I am an idiot when it comes to some things, and I can't figure out how to get my wma's to play in amaroK. I know I shouldn't even have them, but c'est la vie, and I do, and I want to listen to them. Help?
[03:33] <Healot> tehuti: I can't figure that out either... but I think there is way to configure kdm using kdm.conf or something
[03:33] <Healot> michelleindeed: Windows MEdia audio eh?
[03:33] <Healot> !mp3
[03:33] <ubotu> methinks mp3 is a patented format; to enable mp3 capability see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[03:33] <apotekDK> michelleindeed: you probably havent loaded the drivers for your soundcard
[03:34] <apotekDK> like me
[03:34] <Healot> hope that helps.. well the wiki isn't limited to mp3...
[03:34] <apotekDK> i dunno how to :)
[03:34] <tehuti> everyone writes it works "right out of the box" but they don't say how to get it started. hotkeys don't work at all in KDE for ubuntu, even as Fn + F12 works in Gnome.
[03:34] <zblach__> i've a built in camera, but kcontrol has some problems with it. what can I do?
[03:34] <Healot> Fn keys?
[03:34] <michelleindeed> I already saw that wiki last night, and maybe I'm blonde, but it didn't help me.
[03:34] <zblach__> Healot: function keys: F1-12
[03:34] <apotekDK> Healot:  Fn.. on laptops
[03:34] <tehuti> function key yeah
[03:34] <Healot> zblach__: there is Fn key, on laptops
[03:34] <apotekDK> :)
[03:35] <Healot> not the usual F keys
[03:35] <Healot> !w32codecs
[03:35] <ubotu> a compilation of binary win32 A/V codecs for many popular non-free formats. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats for 64-bit systems see http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=54399
[03:35] <michelleindeed> Healot: yes, I know, windows. However, I was running Windows until about ten days ago. I'm such a newb.
[03:35] <Healot> michelleindeed: follow that one instead
[03:35] <apotekDK> i also have 2 keys above the left-right-up-down keys which in windows are used to browse forward/back.. but in kubuntu they are just weird :)
[03:35] <tuxcicles> michelleindeed: w32codecs for wma files i think
[03:36] <tehuti> no one here runs a laptop and uses suspend-to-ram?
[03:36] <zblach__> apotekDK: same
[03:36] <apotekDK> Love my IBM laptop though
[03:36] <zblach__> apotekDK: notsame
[03:36] <apotekDK> :)
[03:36] <michelleindeed> tuxcicles: i thought the w32codecs were for video files only?
[03:36] <apotekDK> IBM t42.. not the newest model.. but i love it anyway :)
[03:36] <Healot> Windows Media Files, michelleindeed
[03:36] <Healot> that includes MS MPEG-4 (audio and video)
[03:37] <michelleindeed> I ought to just get mp3s of all of the stupid things.
[03:37] <Healot> michelleindeed: for mp3
[03:37] <tuxcicles> wma's, arent they video files too?
[03:37] <apotekDK> Ive never tried writing on another laptop which has a keyboard compareable to the one IBM laptops got
[03:37] <apotekDK> zblach__:
[03:37] <apotekDK> :)
[03:37] <Healot> just install "libxine-extracodecs" (you must enabled the "universe" repository first)
[03:38] <tehuti> apotekDK, what do you do to get suspend-to-ram?
[03:38] <tehuti> in KDe
[03:38] <visik7> http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=32339 <- anyone had any doubt about this  ? :)
[03:38] <Healot> there is a command "hibernate" or you can use "pmi action suspend"
[03:38] <apotekDK> Dont ask me anything tehuti.. im a newbie in all ways
[03:38] <michelleindeed> Healot:  that's already installed.
[03:39] <michelleindeed> I made sure of that last night
[03:39] <Healot> ok... to suspend to ram --?> you try this one "pmi action suspend"
[03:39] <Healot> if you ACPI support hibernate -> "pmi action hibernate"
[03:40] <michelleindeed> so are w32codecs; i'm so lost. blarg.
[03:40] <Healot> prepend with "sudo"
[03:40] <Healot> michelleindeed: are you trying to play files with amarok right?
[03:40] <apotekDK> Uhm Healot do you know if theres a speciel FreeBSD desktop version?
[03:40] <michelleindeed> Healot: yes
[03:40] <Healot> apotekDK: PCBSD for you
[03:41] <tehuti> so you have to use the command line?
[03:41] <apotekDK> you know the difference from 6.1 and PCBSD?
[03:41] <Healot> michelleindeed: if you did install the packages we've told you, you should configure the output of amarok
[03:41] <mrfishhat> any idea how to install a hd-5500 tv tuner
[03:41] <tehuti> with Breezy, my hotkeys worked "out of the box"
[03:41] <tehuti> in Gnome there are GUI buttons
[03:41] <michelleindeed> i just installed gstreamer for MS windows codecs, too
[03:42] <balld> Healot: Excuse me for interrupting, but I don't see anything named libxine-extracodecs..and I have universe enabled...
[03:42] <Healot> you know wat I'm in Windows XP right know
[03:42] <balld> Any ideas?
[03:43] <Healot> balld: post me your /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:43] <rebecca_> does anyonw know where I can get drivers for an Airlink wireless PCMCIA card?
[03:43] <Healot> post it to pastebin.com
[03:43] <balld> ok
[03:43] <Healot> and tell the address...
[03:43] <balld> brb
[03:43] <Healot> btw, did you do the upgrade
[03:43] <balld> I think so, I'm fairly new to Kubuntu
[03:44] <Healot> I see a lot of problems with upgrades
[03:44] <linux_> How do i display fps wit glxgears>??
[03:44] <Healot> which I actually didn;t do :-
[03:44] <michelleindeed> I did mine two days ago
[03:45] <Healot> I need to feed my stomach and soul first, back in 20 minutes or so...
[03:46] <havoc> hello
[03:46] <havoc> ok, potentially stupid question, but WTF does ubuntu's dhcpd want a subnet declaration for the *WAN* iface in dhcpd.conf?
[03:48] <psychiccyberfrea> hey I'm having a problem with my wireless card
[03:49] <havoc> or can someone point me to some docs on *ubuntu's* idea of connection sharing?
[03:49] <mrfishhat> What does "make[2] : *** No rule to make target `modules'.  Stop." mean?
[03:49] <Kyral> mrfishhat: in?
[03:49] <psychiccyberfrea> ah yeah I tried to do that too havoc
[03:50] <mrfishhat> Kyral: im trying to "make" some drivers
[03:50] <Kyral> mrfishhat: which ones
[03:50] <psychiccyberfrea> appearantly they don't like to use multiple networks
[03:50] <havoc> requireing a subnet declation on the wan iface is insane
[03:50] <mrfishhat> Kyral: the ones for my hd-5500 tv tuner card
[03:51] <michelleindeed> yay, i did it
[03:51] <Kyral> mrfishhat: use the readme?
[03:51] <mrfishhat> Kyral: there isnt one
[03:51] <Kyral> mrfishhat: sorry I cannot help more but...I don't know those drivers
[03:52] <psychiccyberfrea> yeah can anyone get on my wireless problem?
[03:53] <apotekDK> Healot: On *BSD-dk (the local bsd chan) they say: (translated) "If you cant comprehend ubuntu, you shouldnt probably throw yourself out in the free bsd.."
[03:55] <psychiccyberfrea> hello?
[03:57] <havoc> psychiccyberfrea: be patient
[03:57] <Kyral> psychiccyberfrea: its Saturday night, all the people with lives are out partying :P
[03:58] <psychiccyberfrea> lol
[03:58] <michelleindeed> Kyral: i resent that remark ;P
[03:58] <psychiccyberfrea> so who has a prob I could fix
[03:58] <havoc> not those of us with wives working 3rd shift :(
[03:59] <Kyral> michelleindeed: Hey it hit me too :P
[03:59] <psychiccyberfrea> I feel so lucky I still go to school lol
[03:59] <havoc> apparently no one here does MASQ w/ ubuntu
[03:59] <havoc> I'ave already got shorewall setup
[03:59] <havoc> and both ifaces
[03:59] <michelleindeed> i decided not to go to the bar because i wanted to get this thing working. wow.
[03:59] <michelleindeed> i'm getting old.
[03:59] <havoc> dhcpd.conf is not cooperating though
[03:59] <psychiccyberfrea> I just updated it works great
[04:00] <psychiccyberfrea> the one thing that stopped working is ndiswrapper
[04:00] <psychiccyberfrea> but worth the 5 hours of waiting
[04:03] <bigachattack> hello, any care to answer a quick question for me about kubuntu?
[04:03] <sdolnack> absolutely
[04:03] <psychiccyberfrea> shoot
[04:04] <bigachattack> i just installed the rss-glx package for the really slick screensvares
[04:04] <psychiccyberfrea> and
[04:04] <apotekDK> Healot: ? :)
[04:04] <bigachattack> only 3 of the screenssavers have bin for KDE, how do i add them?
[04:05] <psychiccyberfrea> put them into the screensaver folder?
[04:05] <psychiccyberfrea> lemmie check what that is quick
[04:05] <erofee> hi all
[04:05] <sdolnack> hello erofee
[04:06] <erofee> does anyone here use apollon?
[04:07] <erofee> or any other file sharing program?
[04:07] <sdolnack> I use DC++
[04:07] <erofee> how does it perform?
[04:07] <erofee> Is it any good?
[04:08] <sdolnack> well what are you trying to acoomplish exactly
[04:08] <sdolnack> what kind of files do you want to get?
[04:08] <sdolnack> bittorrent always seems to be the best bet; I use dc++ mainly for live concert recordings.
[04:08] <psychiccyberfrea> cant find it for you its probably somewhere in the KDE folders
[04:08] <erofee> mainly movies and music, sometimes pdf files.
[04:09] <balld> Can someone tell me if I'm using pastebin correctly...it always says there is an error..just paste text, add name, and click send, right?
[04:09] <erofee> i have a lot of trouble playing wmv files which is what i find a lot of on bittorrent
[04:10] <word> all legal videos of course ;p
[04:10] <bigachattack> For instance, there is a /usr/lib/xscreensaver/euphoria and /usr/bin/keuphoria.kss for GNOME and KDE respectively,  but there is only /usr/lib/xscreensaver/hyperspace and not KDE package
[04:10] <erofee> of course
[04:10] <bigachattack> I mean no KDE binary
[04:10] <sdolnack> haha
[04:10] <erofee> i just love to download other people home videos
[04:10] <erofee> :)
[04:10] <sdolnack> haha
[04:11] <sdolnack> use bittorrent
[04:11] <Hobbsee> bigachattack: really?  what else have you found there?
[04:11] <erofee> but i can't play wmv's
[04:12] <erofee> i am using xine with the mplayer essentials pack installed
[04:12] <bigachattack> Hobbsee: the rss-glx screensavers?
[04:12] <erofee> but i still can't play them
[04:12] <Hobbsee> bigachattack: yes
[04:12] <Hobbsee> bigachattack: you need kscreensaver-xsavers to run them, i know that much...
[04:12] <Hobbsee> but if there's a better way to do it, then i'd like to know about it...
[04:13] <psychiccyberfrea> erofee: you can with the gstreamer plugins unless that won't work for you
[04:13] <bigachattack> Hobbsee: I just found that
[04:13] <Hobbsee> bigachattack: :)
[04:13] <bigachattack> Hobbsee: It looks like there are a few that come standard with KDE
[04:13] <erofee> i had a few problems with gstreamer plugins so i switched to xine
[04:13] <Hobbsee> bigachattack: yeah, there are - they're not the gl ones though
[04:13] <erofee> what is a goog front-end for gstreamer?
[04:13] <bigachattack> Hobbsee: I know if you make then from source they compile for xscreensaver
[04:14] <psychiccyberfrea> you don't really need one i've just used the K sound system panel
[04:15] <havoc> Hobbsee: heyya
[04:15] <byen> hey guys, I just apt-get installed kubuntu-desktop and for some reason my numlock turns on and i cant shut it off..can someone help me
[04:15] <Hobbsee> hey havoc
[04:15] <havoc> ok, I'll ask again, now that more people are here...
[04:15] <eduardo> can anyone tell me how do i add the kubuntu dvd to apt sources?
[04:15] <havoc> can someone point me to some docs on ubuntu's idea of connection sharing?
[04:15] <byen> i cant use the laptop keyboard at all as the numluck wont shut off
[04:16] <havoc> oe explain why dhcpd what's a subnet declaration for the wan iface?
[04:16] <havoc> s/oe/or/
[04:16] <psychiccyberfrea> with dapper you just go to synaptic then go to settings > repositories then hit "add CD" and you should be able to
[04:17] <eduardo> thanks
[04:17] <psychiccyberfrea> no prob
[04:18] <psychiccyberfrea> anyone able to help me with my wireless problem I mentioned before?
[04:18] <psychiccyberfrea> after I upgraded to dapper ndiswrapper died on me
[04:19] <psychiccyberfrea> I did ndiswrapper -m too still doesn't work
[04:20] <Hobbsee> psychiccyberfrea: define "died on me"
[04:21] <psychiccyberfrea> it works, but the indicator lights don't turn on and I don't have a connection
[04:21] <psychiccyberfrea> it sees the card but it's not working
[04:23] <Hobbsee> psychiccyberfrea: try sudo modprobe -r ndiswrapper && sudo depmod -a && sudo modprobe ndiswrapper
[04:23] <psychiccyberfrea> k I gotta go I'll try that thanks
[04:24] <Hobbsee> then add ndiswrapper to the end of /etc/modules
[04:24] <Hobbsee> on a new line
[04:26] <havoc> so no one does "connection sharing"?
[04:27] <havoc> it's not like I'm new to this
[04:27] <havoc> but requiring a subnet declaration on a dynamic iface makes no sense at all
[04:27] <michelleindeed> havoc: connection sharing?
[04:27] <havoc> michelleindeed: MASQ
[04:28] <michelleindeed> havoc: nevermind, forget i asked. i'll be asking questions on the answers.
[04:28] <havoc> masqurading
[04:28] <havoc> NAT?
[04:28] <havoc> I have a box w/ 2 NICs, one connected to my cable modem, one to the LAN
[04:29] <havoc> dhcpd running on the LAN
[04:29] <havoc> except it's behaving strangely
[04:32] <sdolnack> i feel like how's that Cube game?
[04:33] <bigachattack> Hobbsee:  which rss-glx screensavers can you use under KDE,  I do not get them all listed?
[04:34] <Hobbsee> bigachattack: er, all of them, i think...
[04:38] <bigachattack> does anyone use the rss-glx package?
[04:39] <sdolnack> what are soem of the best games for linux?
[04:41] <havoc> yay, adept crashed and left apt locked
[04:41] <havoc> wonderful
[04:41] <dark_light> sdolnack: well, enemy territory? the mana world?
[04:41] <Healot> define "best games"...
[04:41] <Kadran> sdolnack: search for loki games
[04:42] <balld> (rolls eyes) about time you're back Healot
[04:42] <balld> j/k
[04:42] <balld> :)
[04:42] <tuxcicles> the scorched earth games kinda cool
[04:42] <balld> I can't seem to past to pastebin.com
[04:42] <dark_light> i like tux racer and armagetron.. hahahah
[04:42] <apotekDK> how do you get that?
[04:43] <Healot> balld: it seems down...
[04:43] <Kadran> sdolnack: you can also see www.transgaming.com
[04:43] <tuxcicles> scorched earth?  I think they call it scorched3d
[04:43] <balld> Any other way I can post you my /etc/apt/sources.list?
[04:44] <balld> Also, can you tell me how to "register" I tried to send my list to you that way, but it said I had to register or something...
[04:44] <Healot> balld: mmkay private me, paste lines without comments only
[04:44] <Healot> ergister?
[04:45] <balld> yep, said I had to register...I'll try again
[04:45] <Healot> for pastebin?
[04:45] <Kadran> balld: /msg nickserv register <your-password>
[04:45] <GullyFoyle> how do i get dapper to recognizr my soundcard? everything worked fine and then i "upgraded" to dapper.
[04:45] <balld> no, for private message on here(sorry for not clarifying
[04:46] <Healot> oh for this IRC service
[04:46] <Kadran> balld: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#registering
[04:47] <GullyFoyle> oh, also i used to dual boot winxp, but since i "upgraded" windows doesn't show up in the grub menu
[04:47] <Kadran> GullyFoyle: try 'update-grub'
[04:47] <tuxcicles> i think im staying with breezy until i find a reason to move up
[04:48] <Kadran> tuxcicles: dapper kde353 is faster
[04:48] <tuxcicles> ive got kde352 in breezy, next
[04:49] <apotekDK> anyone has link for a good source.list?
[04:49] <GullyFoyle> hrm, also since i "upgraded", i'm given a grub menu of several kernels, but the latest doesn't work. 2.6.10 works, and 2.6.9 works, but the others dont
[04:50] <Kadran> apotekDK: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#registering
[04:50] <GullyFoyle> i am truly sorry that i "upgraded" to dapper
[04:50] <Kadran> apotekDK: sorry http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[04:50] <apotekDK> thanks!
[04:50] <Kadran> apotekDK: i have mixed up :)
[04:50] <Kadran> np
[04:53] <GullyFoyle> i've been using various linux distros since 1999 and i thought kubuntu was the bomb until i "upgraded" to dapper. now it's shot and i'm considering alternatives like mepis and kanotix.
[04:53] <tuxcicles> i couldn't get fglrx or ati proprietary drivers to work when I went to dapper, because of a bug in the new drivers, probably because my mobo asus has nvidiae chipset, but the old one in breezy works
[04:54] <Kadran> GullyFoyle: I LOVE DAPPER
[04:54] <apotekDK> im drunk..
[04:54] <Healot> I love Panda
[04:54] <Kadran> i am Kadran, pleased to meet you
[04:55] <tuxcicles> Healot, isn't that against the law?
[04:55] <apotekDK> i dont get that gpg thing
[04:55] <Kadran> apotekDK: what about gpg
[04:56] <tuxcicles> linux distros sure have stupid names
[04:56] <apotekDK> hmm im trying.. 2sec
[04:56] <tuxcicles> you mean pgp
[04:56] <Healot> what law, tuxcicles?
[04:56] <GullyFoyle> breezy worked quite well and i was so psyched that i did the "upgrade" to dapper and now there are so many problems i wish there were an easy way to downgrade to breezy
[04:57] <tuxcicles> beastiality, aw never mind
[04:57] <michelleindeed> tuxcicles: i got it ;)
[04:58] <GullyFoyle> if i could go back a coupla days and tell myself not to dist-uopgrade i would
[04:59] <RawSewage> tj9991, did you have any problem getting mp3 working.  You need to install libxine-extracodecs
[04:59] <tuxcicles> GullyFoyle: i feel your pain, i hope they get some solutions or workarounds
[04:59] <GullyFoyle> i thought they took extra time to make dapper work but i was sorely wrong
[04:59] <GullyFoyle> the upgrade is busted
[05:00] <RawSewage> why
[05:00] <tuxcicles> i hope it's beta still, sure runs like beta-alpha
[05:00] <maltron> gullyfoyle, I've heard that "upgrading" is usually not as good as installing from scratch
[05:00] <apotekDK> :)
[05:00] <maltron> maybe you could try nuking your system and starting again?
[05:01] <RawSewage> what problem are you having
[05:01] <apotekDK> Nn... im off !
[05:01] <Healot> unless you know what you're doing
[05:01] <GullyFoyle> i don't have sound? very simple on most distros, busted when i upgraded to dapper.
[05:01] <michelleindeed> My boyfriend fixed my sound pretty easily when i upgraded.
[05:01] <RawSewage> what kind of sound
[05:02] <tuxcicles> i don't have gl!!! was fine before dapper.
[05:02] <tj9991> Qill your nickname gets more and more dumb every time I see it
[05:02] <ashridah> hm. don't suppose there's a repo someplace i can track to get bleeding edge kernels, is there? i kinda need a recent 2.6.17-rcblah release to stop one of my network cards from locking up under load
[05:02] <GullyFoyle> and i'm usually a linux fiend/fanboy. dapper has left a bad taste in my mouth. i'm gonna have to install from scratch,back up everything, etc...
[05:02] <neoncode> How do I change the defualt sound device. I have onboard sound and a soundcard. Somehow it has set the onboard sound as defualt...
[05:03] <michelleindeed> my wave input was just muted by default, which was my sound didn't work
[05:03] <michelleindeed> i think
[05:03] <Kadran> GullyFoyle: that is too painfull :(
[05:03] <maltron> can anyone tell me why synaptic sometimes just won't run?
[05:04] <tuxcicles> neoncode: it is probably on dsp1 and your onboard is taking up dsp or dsp0, it can be changed in grub.
[05:04] <GullyFoyle> you're lucky it has any sound at all, i've tried onboard and a soundcard and it can't seem to recognize either one. I had grat sound under breezy.
[05:04] <michelleindeed> my fiancee is a gentoo guy. he can fix anything.
[05:05] <Healot> I can fix anything that have not been fixed :)
[05:05] <michelleindeed> heh
[05:05] <neoncode> I know it can be done. I just recently wiped my settings on pourpose for a fresh start and I carn't rember how I did this before..
[05:05] <tuxcicles> i have onboard sound and usb headphones, and the headphones goto dsp1.  the only things i can find that play on dsp1 is mmx and mplayer.
[05:06] <Kadran> michelleindeed: did you gave him tux in the valantine?
[05:06] <scarn> are they ever going to fix the UTC clock thing in k/ubuntu?
[05:06] <RawSewage> what UTC clock thing
[05:06] <GullyFoyle> lspci -v shows my soundcard but /dev/audio has : no device found
[05:06] <GullyFoyle> wtf?
[05:07] <RawSewage> should I install an anti-virus program on Kubuntu
[05:07] <GullyFoyle> i still have my breezy cd, maybe i'll reinstall
[05:07] <scarn> where it sets your clock 5 hours ahead in other OS' when dual booting. its the only distro i know that causes this
[05:08] <bdmp> My mac address is all 00000's help.
[05:08] <tuxcicles> RawSewage: why?
[05:08] <RawSewage> I dont know.  Can viruses attack Linux
[05:08] <tuxcicles> No, not any I know about
[05:08] <maltron> gullyfoyle i seem to remember that problem in debian sarge.  I can't remember how to fix it but given that sarge is now a year or so old maybe there's a fix known to the debian community
[05:08] <RawSewage> how long have you been using Linux
[05:08] <scarn> no need for av. unless you use alot of windows files in linux
[05:08] <maltron> just a guess though
[05:09] <RawSewage> ok, let me get this straight...  Linux doesnt need any anti-virus programs, yet Windows is still the OS of choice, correct
[05:09] <tuxcicles> me?, about 2o years, yea, thats it, 30 years
[05:09] <scarn> lol
[05:09] <_ryan> http://pastebin.ca/64062
[05:10] <_ryan> Having some SSH port forwarding troubles.
[05:10] <tuxcicles> windows is not known for it's security
[05:10] <_ryan> can anyone help?
[05:10] <GullyFoyle> i'm gonna go talk to some mepis people and see what's goin on. 7 years of linux i can't give up cuz dapper reamed my installation. I had mand/rake/riva for a while bit the debian way is better. mebbe another debian-based distro has more goin on.
[05:10] <tuxcicles> thats why you need all the anti this and anti that.
[05:10] <RawSewage> Is the only reason viruses dont attack Linux because most people use Windows
[05:11] <RawSewage> so they write viruses for Windows and not Linux
[05:11] <maltron> not the only reason rawsewage
[05:11] <michelleindeed> RawSewage: windows has all the viruses because it is the OS of choice
[05:11] <maltron> but a reason
[05:11] <RawSewage> but if everyone started using Linux, would they be able to write viruses for Linux
[05:11] <Kadran> RawSewage: if one day a virus that could be more intelegent to hack your mind and get the root password to attak *nix i think microsoft will be history then
[05:11] <michelleindeed> d'oh. didn't hit send after i typed.
[05:11] <maltron> windows also has had a poor security model
[05:11] <Hobbsee> RawSewage: not really.  you cant run an executable by double clicking on it
[05:11] <neoncode> w00t, Bon Echo
[05:12] <Hobbsee> and most people wont run a random shell script as root
[05:12] <RawSewage> yes you can
[05:12] <RawSewage> with Wine
[05:12] <_ryan> hehe
[05:12] <Hobbsee> well, yeah, with wine...
[05:12] <RawSewage> everyone uses Wine
[05:12] <_ryan> a virus could sniff your kbd
[05:12] <Hobbsee> most people dont run wine as root either, do they?
[05:12] <_ryan> for your account
[05:12] <michelleindeed> i don't use wine, either.
[05:12] <_ryan> then catch it when you enter your root pwd
[05:13] <tuxcicles> keylogger=spyware
[05:13] <_ryan> yes
[05:13] <tuxcicles> usually associated with active x
[05:14] <_ryan> but it can grab the root pwd
[05:14] <_ryan> and even a user account can open network connecctions
[05:14] <bdmp> No one has any idea why my mac address would be 00:00:00:00:00:00 after a dapper upgrade?
[05:14] <Lunar_Raven> does anyone have any experience getting compiz working on kubuntu, or can direct me to a good howto?
[05:14] <Lunar_Raven> :P
[05:14] <Hobbsee> there's not a lot you can do to prevent user decisions, unfortunately.
[05:14] <Hobbsee> !xgl
[05:14] <ubotu> XGL on Ubuntu: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CompositeManager - Join #ubuntu-xgl for all the XGL fun on Ubuntu systems.  Pretty videos on http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease/  See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[05:14] <_ryan> oh
[05:14] <Lunar_Raven> lol
[05:15] <neoncode> hi Hobbsee
[05:15] <Hobbsee> hey neoncode
[05:15] <tuxcicles> _ryan: maybe in windows
[05:15] <maltron> anyone know what this means:
[05:15] <maltron> X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168
[05:15] <maltron>   Major opcode:  145
[05:15] <maltron>   Minor opcode:  3
[05:15] <maltron>   Resource id:  0x0
[05:15] <maltron> Failed to open device
[05:15] <maltron> it happens when I start gvim
[05:16] <_ryan> does kubuntu have a source that contains illegal in the US SW, like libdvdcss, and the propriatary windows codecs for mplayer, al-la PLF?
[05:16] <michelleindeed> maltron: it means something didn't work correctly.
[05:16] <maltron> thanks michelle, but what?
[05:16] <michelleindeed> beats me.
[05:16] <maltron> um, right.
[05:17] <tuxcicles> _ryan: yes
[05:17] <_ryan> tuxcicles: can you point me in the right direction?
[05:17] <Hobbsee> !tell _ryan about restricted
[05:18] <tuxcicles> i think you can find info at wiki.kubuntu.org, and check this out for sources http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[05:19] <michelleindeed> IvanTheVikin1: hello
[05:19] <_ryan> Hobbsee: Thank you
[05:19] <IvanTheVikin1> Giah brb.
[05:22] <Lunar_Raven> ok i've almost figured out XGL on kubuntu, but i dont quite understand this step
[05:22] <Lunar_Raven> UPDATE - you will need to select the default session in kdm to make it obey your .Xsession
[05:22] <Lunar_Raven> anyone know what that means?
[05:22] <neoncode> Where does the repo version of firefox install to?
[05:22] <Lunar_Raven>  /usr/bin
[05:22] <Lunar_Raven> is where firefox goes
[05:23] <Lunar_Raven> atleast the executable
[05:23] <maltron> lunar: i guess it means that when you get the kdm login screen, go to select session and choose "default" - that's my best guess
[05:23] <neoncode> Lunar_Raven: the syslink the the executible rather? Where do the acutal files go?
[05:23] <maltron> neoncode, type "whereis firefox" or "which firefox"
[05:25] <Lunar_Raven> well, a search may be more helpful
[05:25] <Lunar_Raven> the libs are here /usr/lib/firefox/
[05:25] <michelleindeed> TheViking: hello
[05:25] <Lunar_Raven> brb
[05:26] <TheViking> hello michelle
[05:27] <_ryan> yo
[05:27] <_ryan> an anyone help me with my ssh troubles?
[05:27] <_ryan> it is refusing to bind a port when even when I'm root
[05:28] <Ranma2264> Hi to all
[05:29] <Ranma2264> Does anyone knows if there is a way to see unmounted cdrom icon on kde desktop using hal backend??
[05:30] <Healot> pumount >> Ranma2264
[05:30] <Healot> oh... you can just add the device icon...
[05:32] <Ranma2264> yes i know the thing is that is checked to show unmounted cdrom or dvd in desktop behavior
[05:32] <Ranma2264> but it does not work
[05:32] <Healot> define "does not work"
[05:33] <Ranma2264> the icons does not show in desktop
[05:33] <Hobbsee> hehe - i could have sworn i said that earlie r:P
[05:33] <Healot> Ranma2264: thus, add a Device icon on the desktop
[05:34] <Healot> I don't know why KDE in ubuntu doesn't do that automatically (adding the device icon) like REdhat/Fedora does
[05:34] <Healot> but, you can add the Device icon manually... though
[05:35] <Ranma2264> yes i know but the device is only showed when u mount it
[05:35] <Healot> argh...
[05:37] <chavo> Ranma2264, is there a disk in the drive?
[05:37] <chavo> it will only show icon when there's a disk
[05:38] <chavo> and then it mounts it when you click on it
[05:38] <Ranma2264> Yes i know im wondering if there is a way to show the unmounted device icon
[05:39] <chavo> Ranma2264, it works for me
[05:39] <Ranma2264> damn
[05:40] <Healot> just add the Device icon, so you can mount/umount it and it shows the mount status...
[05:40] <chavo> he probably doesn't want the icon all the time though
[05:41] <Healot> well, that is handled by HAL...
[05:41] <Healot> so like it or not, either see the icons all the time, or see it when it's mounted
[05:42] <l33t_n00b> Hi, does anyone know how to change the time from military into normal US time
[05:42] <chavo> Healot, I don't get an icon until I put a disk in
[05:42] <Healot> yes
[05:42] <Healot> I know that
[05:42] <chavo> it's still not mounted though
[05:42] <Healot> but if you like to manage it manually, you can add the Device icon of that partition/drive
[05:42] <chavo> true
[05:43] <Healot> by default the icon only available when you mount that volume...
[05:43] <Healot> and it disappear after the volume is umounted
[05:44] <edgardito> I need help !!
[05:44] <chavo> well I get the dialog asking what I want to do when I put the disk in
[05:44] <Healot> of course
[05:44] <l33t_n00b>  Hi, does anyone know how to change the time from military into normal US time
[05:44] <Hobbsee> !+ask
[05:44] <ubotu> For information on how to ask good questions please see http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html The more information you can give the better we can help you. If your going to give output of commands please use http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[05:45] <Healot> by clicking the device icon of unmounted volume, the default action is trying to mount the volume
[05:45] <chavo> l33t_n00b, right click the clock and select Date and Time Format
[05:46] <Healot> elite noob :)
[05:46] <l33t_n00b> Healot: thanks for getting that :)
[05:46] <DaSkreech> Hello all
[05:46] <l33t_n00b> chavo: what next?
[05:46] <chavo> go to Time and Dates tab
[05:47] <chavo> then change the Time format -> here's mine pH:MM AM PM
[05:47] <chavo> pH is what gives you the 12 hour format
[05:47] <Ranma2264> thanks to all for the help brb!
[05:47] <Healot> btw way, just select the time formate which displays the AM/PM
[05:47] <Healot> heh
[05:47] <chavo> this is changing your Locale setting so you have to restart kicker for it to take effect
[05:49] <chavo> to resart kicker do this -> dcop kicker kicer restart
[05:49] <chavo> man I can't type
[05:49] <chavo> dcop kicker kicker restart
[05:49] <Healot> kicker
[05:49] <l33t_n00b> ok thanks chavo and Healot
[05:49] <michelleindeed> heh
[05:49] <l33t_n00b> it worked
[05:50] <l33t_n00b> sorry i am new to linux
[05:50] <chavo> that's why were here
[05:50] <DaSkreech> :-)
[05:50] <DaSkreech> Aint dat D truth?
[05:51] <l33t_n00b> i'm excited for KDE 4
[05:51] <l33t_n00b> i can't wait for some eye candy
[05:51] <chavo> well it's going to be awhile for that
[05:51] <mitja> It says "/etc/sudoers mode is 0777, should be 0440" How do I fix this?
[05:52] <Healot> free community support :)
[05:52] <l33t_n00b> chavo: i heard it will be released some time in october 1006
[05:52] <l33t_n00b> 2006
[05:52] <chavo> mitja, sudo chmod /etc/sudoers 0440
[05:52] <DaSkreech> l33t_n00b: Relax just don't hold your breath :)
[05:52] <DaSkreech> 1006!!
[05:52] <Healot> btw for files just the 3 octal needed
[05:52] <chavo> mitja, then find out why your sudoers is 0777
[05:52] <mitja> chavo: thanks
[05:53] <l33t_n00b> well im happy at least that the kubuntu community is very helpful
[05:53] <l33t_n00b> i came from redhat
[05:53] <l33t_n00b> they're all grumpy
[05:54] <DaSkreech> :)
[05:54] <chavo> I don't think we'll see anything from kde4 until 2007
[05:54] <unix_infidel> anyone here having problems with kubuntu and ncurses based interfaces with aterm?
[05:54] <chavo> by then 3.x will be a very stable system
[05:55] <mitja> chavo: I also have setgid: Operation not permitted. I can't do anything involving sudo unless I reboot into maintenance mode again. Can I solve this without rebooting?
[05:55] <DaSkreech> chavo: There is a alpha this year
[05:55] <l33t_n00b> chavo: so if KDE 4 comes out next year, its better to wait until the bugs are fixed first before you do dist-upgrade
[05:55] <chavo> mitja, why is your sudoers file modified?
[05:55] <mitja> chavo: I don't know
[05:55] <chavo> l33t_n00b, I like to stay on the cutting edge anyway
[05:56] <chavo> mitja, can you read it?
[05:56] <l33t_n00b> ok i wonder what kubuntu 6.10 will include
[05:57] <mitja> chavo: yes, but that would require to quit irssi, cause I have only one tty
[05:57] <chavo> l33t_n00b, the basics of KDE4 will be there, so people can get a head start on porting apps ,etc
[05:57] <DaSkreech> chavo: That's done already :)
[05:57] <DaSkreech> Porting Au commence!
[05:58] <chavo> DaSkreech, I mean the kdelibs, etc will be apt-gettable
[05:58] <l33t_n00b> ok cool thanks
[05:58] <Hobbsee> l33t_n00b: kde3.5.4, maybe some tests of kde4, a few other interesting things...
[05:58] <DaSkreech> chavo: I think you may be able to svn them now
[05:58] <DaSkreech> so that means that they are deb build away from apt-get
[05:58] <chavo> DaSkreech, yes you can
[05:58] <DaSkreech> :-D
[05:59] <chavo> I wonder why mitja's sudoers has been tampered with
[06:00] <maltron> why does my mouse wheel change windows when i'm on the title bar of a window?  It's supposed to shade them but instead it starts cycling through windows.  This ins't supposed to happen and there's no mention of it in the kde preferences!
[06:00] <maltron> anyone else found this?
[06:00] <l33t_n00b> i think the people are hesitating on migrating to linux is the lack of multimedia...i know it took me a while to find the info online and actually learning CLI
[06:00] <chavo> maltron, it depends on the window decoration, some of them don't respect your settings
[06:00] <maltron> ah, thanks chavo
[06:00] <maltron> i'll try changing it
[06:00] <DaSkreech> l33t_n00b: Thats the point of freespire I think
[06:01] <Healot> Common Language Infrastructure?
[06:01] <chavo> older windecos made before that preference was put in mostly
[06:01] <l33t_n00b> command line interface
[06:01] <havoc> ack, no make?
[06:01] <DaSkreech> Healot: Command Line interface
[06:02] <maltron> chovo, thanks - that fixed it
[06:02] <l33t_n00b> isn't MEPIS including all these codecs DaSkreech
[06:02] <DaSkreech> Not sure
[06:02] <Healot> I know, I love CLI so much, there is only one abbrevation for it
[06:03] <maltron> i think some of the prepackaged linuxes, like novell desktop and so on, have the codecs installed - but you're paying for them and they're not redistributable like ubuntu, debian, opensuse etc
[06:04] <maltron> i guess freespire is different because you don't pay for it, but it would also, presumably, not be redistributable if you include those extra codecs and things
[06:04] <l33t_n00b> malton: is that because of the DMCA laws
[06:04] <maltron> no, I think it's just licencing
[06:04] <Desh> If I install gnome or Xfce, etc, will it mess up my default programs or add extra programs? I just want gnome to use the apps I have..
[06:04] <maltron> simply because some proprietary drivers and codecs have licenses that stipulate that you can download them for free but you can't redistribute them
[06:05] <l33t_n00b> so basically having a repository is considered redistributing
[06:05] <lnxKDE> someone knows what skype phone is compatible with linux?
[06:06] <maltron> desh, I installed kubuntu desktop and xubuntu desktop and now whichever desktop i'm in, pretty much all the apps arevisible
[06:06] <maltron> so i guess the answer is "yes", it will
[06:06] <DaSkreech> Desh: I think you can but don't install gome-desktop
[06:06] <Desh> Ok, good. Thanks.
[06:07] <maltron> l33t: i think the answer is yes, but I'm not 100%
[06:09] <l33t_n00b> i know that there is easyubuntu to take care of these issues, but it does not make sense to me why running a script is different from say running the command to download it from the repository
[06:09] <Steven_M> hi all
[06:09] <Hobbsee> l33t_n00b: because it's annoying and painful, pretty much
[06:09] <DaSkreech> l33t_n00b: I think it's because the user started it
[06:09] <Steven_M> How do you uninstall flash-nonfree
[06:10] <DaSkreech> It's like they went to the web site and got it themselves
[06:10] <l33t_n00b> DaSKreech: i see
[06:10] <Healot> apt-get remove <> or use adept to find that package list...
[06:11] <DaSkreech> but "we" didn't hand it over to them without them knowing about it
[06:11] <neoncode> where are sound settings stored?
[06:11] <maltron> l33t: partly I think it's because the script may not be 100% legal, as well as whet the others said
[06:11] <maltron> ;-)
[06:12] <maltron> well, not so much the script, as what it gets
[06:12] <maltron> depends where you live though
[06:12] <l33t_n00b> maltron: yeah and I heard that playing a encryped DVD is illegal also in the US
[06:12] <Healot> in Mexico too :)
[06:13] <DaSkreech> haha :)
[06:13] <maltron> l33t_n00b: i think so, yeah.  I think that's the DMCA bit you mentioned at work
[06:13] <l33t_n00b> ha
[06:13] <Healot> l33t_n00b: playing encrypted DVD is legal
[06:14] <DaSkreech> as long as you buy a player codec
[06:14] <l33t_n00b> Healot: you sure?
[06:14] <Healot> decrypting the DVD content is illegal, however
[06:15] <neoncode> is libdvdcss legal in the UK?
[06:15] <Healot> DVD content is encrypted so people can only watch it a timed-release on designated areas
[06:15] <Healot> damn Hollywood!
[06:15] <bdmp> Dapper upgrade causes Tvtuner to not work. Read all about it http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=1123435#post1123435
[06:15] <maltron> healot: that's not hte encryption, that's the region encoding.  The encryption is for copy protection.  At least I think it is!
[06:15] <Healot> yes... both comes together
[06:15] <l33t_n00b> but to play encrypted DVD's you have to install libdvdcss which is illegal
[06:16] <chavo> bdmp, TV rots your brain :)
[06:16] <bdmp> not when you are watching it for study
[06:16] <bdmp> Japanese :)
[06:16] <Healot> encryption with the regional encoding... CSS is weak btw...
[06:16] <chavo> -)
[06:17] <l33t_n00b> ok
[06:18] <Healot> for personal use, I guess it's neither legal or illegal, it's considered fair use
[06:18] <Healot> for commercial, if you make even a penny with it, it is illegal
[06:18] <l33t_n00b> yeah i figured that...thanks Healot
[06:18] <maltron> healot: not in the US, I don't think.  The dmca says that you're not even allowed to break a drm, even if you don't end up using that knowledge to watch the media
[06:19] <maltron> i.e. just trying to crack it is illegal
[06:19] <Healot> but don't involve me if DMCA come to your house :)
[06:19] <maltron> helping someone else crack it is illegal
[06:19] <maltron> and distributing knowledge of how to crack it is illegal
[06:19] <l33t_n00b> but then you can't watch the DVDs
[06:19] <maltron> ridiculous really, but that's the dmca for you
[06:20] <l33t_n00b> this is really irritating
[06:20] <maltron> yes, yes it is!
[06:21] <l33t_n00b> so this is really why linux is crippled in multimedia support
[06:21] <DaSkreech> maltron: Actually formulating a plan to organize a discussion on how to analyze the encryption to see if it's crackable is illeagal
[06:21] <DaSkreech> And can get you 50 years in prison
[06:21] <DaSkreech> in the US
[06:21] <DaSkreech> Yup
[06:21] <maltron> dskreech - you are joking, right?
[06:21] <DaSkreech> maltron: I wish I was
[06:22] <l33t_n00b> ha everything you do is illegal now
[06:22] <maltron> so much for the 1st amendment
[06:22] <Healot> goto Canada :)
[06:22] <DaSkreech> Or fair use
[06:22] <maltron> well I'm in australia, but we did sign a free trade agreement...
[06:22] <DaSkreech> Healot: Canada has a similar law in the courts
[06:22] <l33t_n00b> yeah i heard that in Canada file sharing is legit
[06:22] <Healot> i mean if you wanna smoke pot legally
[06:23] <maltron> hey are we off topic yet?
[06:23] <l33t_n00b> pretty close
[06:23] <DaSkreech> Yup
[06:23] <DaSkreech> Waaaaaay off base
[06:23] <maltron> lol
[06:24] <DaSkreech> So about that digikam
[06:24] <DaSkreech> Why isn't it inthe default install?
[06:24] <Healot> popularity-contest i guess
[06:24] <maltron> anyone know why I can't type a c with a cedilla using the us_intl keymap?
[06:24] <maltron> and why synaptic sometimes just refuses to run?
[06:24] <Healot> hey does "ubuntu run popularity contest like Debian does?
[06:24] <DaSkreech> Healot: I forgot about that
[06:25] <DaSkreech> Healot: Yeah
[06:26] <neoncode> how do i change the audio device from 0 to 1(or something?)
[06:26] <_ryan> How do i disable apt's GPG check?
[06:27] <Hobbsee> !b-e
[06:27] <ubotu> or if you get errors saying gcc cannot create executables, or that you can't find header files like stdio.h, or get "make: command not found, then you need to do a    sudo apt-get install build-essential.
[06:27] <kkathman> evenin Hobbsee ::)
[06:27] <kkathman> hehe
[06:27] <Hobbsee> hey kkathman
[06:27] <DaSkreech> HobNob! :)
[06:27] <maltron> hmm, looks like I'm back to dselect
[06:28] <_ryan> or add a key to apt
[06:28] <neoncode> DaSkreech:  HobNob?
[06:28] <DaSkreech> neoncode: It's a biscuit :)
[06:28] <neoncode> yay for HobNob!
[06:29] <DaSkreech> It's ferpect!
[06:29] <kkathman> lol
[06:29] <kkathman> I think everyone loves the hobbster
[06:29] <kkathman> but she doesnt respect us :(
[06:30] <kkathman> DaSkreech: but thats ok right?
[06:30] <DaSkreech> Yeah .. what a ban button does to people :(
[06:30] <Hobbsee> hmm?
[06:30] <Hobbsee> why dont i respect you guys?  what gives you that idea?
[06:30] <kkathman> DaSkreech:  yah.. absolute power corrupts absolutely so they say :)
[06:30] <maltron> why doesn't gcc apear to be there, despite the fact that the packages are installed
[06:30] <DaSkreech> maltron: Whats the error?
[06:30] <tuxcicles> neoncode: somthing to do with grubs menu.lst and device = /dev/dsp1, i think, at least in breezy
[06:31] <maltron> daskreech: bash: gcc: command not found
[06:31] <neoncode> kkathman: probobly not a good idea to the persion with said ban button courrupt then eh?
[06:31] <maltron> whereis returns  gcc: /usr/lib/gcc
[06:31] <maltron> but there's no executable
[06:31] <DaSkreech> ah
[06:31] <kkathman> neoncode:  ahh yeah... yer probably right...best to keep quiet and not say nothing
[06:31] <DaSkreech> did you install b-e?
[06:32] <kkathman> neoncode:  oh yeah thats what Ive been doin :)
[06:32] <kkathman> hehe
[06:32] <DaSkreech> Ah Leave Hobbsee alone :) She's a goodun
[06:32] <kkathman> well.. what I was told do do, more like it :)
[06:32] <chavo> maltron, just gcc libs are installed by default
[06:32] <maltron> hmm, no
[06:32] <maltron> ok
[06:32] <maltron> i've got the base packages though
[06:32] <Hobbsee> hehe
[06:32] <maltron> I guess I assumed that would include the compiler too
[06:32] <chavo> maltron, like Hobbsee said, install build-essential
[06:32] <DaSkreech> Hey Hobbsee if I wrote the dictator on an idea of mine do you think that he'd write back?
[06:33] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: huh?
[06:33] <DaSkreech> ubotu: tell maltron about b-e
[06:33] <maltron> hmm, can't install build-essential either - is that a packages?
[06:33] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: the dictator being sabdfl, or another one?
[06:33] <Hobbsee> !info build-essential dapper
[06:33] <ubotu> build-essential: (informational list of build-essential packages), section devel, is optional. Version: 11.1 (dapper), Packaged size: 6 kB, Installed size: 48 kB
[06:33] <DaSkreech> Yeah that dictator. We have another one?
[06:33] <Hobbsee> maltron: yes it is
[06:34] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: he might, i dont know...
[06:34] <kkathman> DaSkreech:  im personna non gratta anyway :) hehe
[06:34] <DaSkreech> ok I have two ideas one being the POS :)
[06:34] <DaSkreech> the other is much more ubuntizable
[06:34] <DaSkreech> (copyrights that word)
[06:34] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: what is it?
[06:35] <neoncode> DaSkreech: Why copyright, when you can copyleft?
[06:35] <neoncode> =D
[06:35] <DaSkreech> Umm. Kind of a open source GIS gatherer
[06:35] <neoncode> Gis?
[06:35] <Hobbsee> what's it do?
[06:36] <DaSkreech> Hobbsee: You know GIS?
[06:36] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: no
[06:36] <maltron> sorted with gcc, thanks guys.
[06:36] <DaSkreech> Hobbsee: Ok let me take it to offtopic
[06:36] <DaSkreech> or you mind a pm?
[06:37] <kkathman> sorry misspelled that... persona non grata
[06:37] <DaSkreech> :-)
[06:37] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: OT's good, if neoncode wants to hear as well
[06:37] <neoncode> that i do
[06:43] <dersteer|linux> anyone care to recommend the best way to convert from mandriva to kubuntu.  I'm wondering if I could just rename my /home folder then copy the stuff back over to my user account after the install.. is there anything I'm going to have to watch for?
[06:43] <dersteer|linux> I plan to just format the / partition but leave the /home
[06:43] <dersteer|linux> will this method work?
[06:43] <chavo> dersteer|linux, yes it should work fine
[06:44] <tuxcicles> dersteer|linux: thats what i do
[06:44] <chavo> dersteer|linux, I came from Mandrake to ubuntu and did that, I've had the same /home for years
[06:44] <dersteer|linux> chavo: did you actually rename the /home/username to start with?
[06:44] <dersteer|linux> should I worry about the mandriva settings messing up ubuntu?
[06:44] <chavo> dersteer|linux, I gzipped up my /etc also
[06:45] <tuxcicles> dersteer|linux: you might want to delete your .files and .directories though, they will probably cause problems
[06:45] <chavo> dersteer|linux, no but I didn't make myself the first user to make sure the uid and gid matched
[06:46] <dersteer|linux> I've been pretty impressed so far.. just as easy as mandriva
[06:46] <dersteer|linux> :)
[06:46] <tuxcicles> dersteer|linux: you can always chown your home files if they need new permissions
[06:47] <dersteer|linux> chown -R /home/username  ???
[06:47] <Mitja> Anyone has any clue how to fix "setgid: Operation not permitted" problem?
[06:47] <tuxcicles> chown -hR i think
[06:48] <dersteer|linux> Mitja: did you do it as root?
[06:48] <dersteer|linux> sudo command
[06:49] <Mitja> I get "sudo: must be setuid root" when I try just using sudo
[06:49] <Mitja> Can't sudo at all
[06:49] <Mitja> unless I'm in maintenance mode
[06:51] <tuxcicles> wow, cant say ive seen that one before
[06:53] <tuxcicles> dersteer|linux: chown -hR user directory/
[06:53] <dersteer|linux> thanks tuxcicles:)
[06:54] <dersteer|linux> kinda scared to do it... getting nerve up :p
[06:55] <tuxcicles> dersteer|linux: try it , you will like it
[06:55] <dersteer|linux> I've been sitting here running thru my head every single thing I use.. trying them out on this junk hard drive
[06:59] <neoncode> Does anyone know what file the sound settings are in?
[06:59] <Hobart> Any idea why xfonts-konsole package is in Hoary but not Dapper?
[07:00] <DaSkreech> kmix?
[07:00] <crimsun_> Hobart: (probably because its files were subsumed into a standard package, but don't quote me on that)
[07:03] <tuxcicles> neoncode: type 'alsa' in konqueror, lots of places
[07:04] <neoncode> tuxcicles: Thanks
[07:09] <tuxcicles> neoncode: a list of modules are in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base
[07:13] <crimsun_> neoncode: what do you need wrt "sound settings"?
[07:17] <neoncode> crimsun_: huh?
[07:18] <crimsun_> neoncode: what are you asking about for "sound settings"?
[07:18] <tuxcicles> neoncode try 'lspci | grep audio
[07:18] <farous> anyone know what my choke my network in kubuntu. i had ubuntu installed and after installing kubuntu all of a sudden my network is way slower?
[07:19] <neoncode> I get "0000:02:02.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Audigy (rev 04)" Yea, that's my soundcard. but sound isn't working. At all
[07:20] <crimsun_> neoncode: pastebin ``cat /proc/asound/modules && amixer''
[07:20] <tuxcicles> neoncode: do you have an onboard sound controller also?
[07:21] <neoncode> tuxcicles: yea but it's disabled in BIOS
[07:22] <neoncode> http://pastebin.ca/64114 <-- ugly pastebin but the kubuntu one just screamed at me when I opened it.
[07:22] <neoncode> well not litraly my sound isn't working rember...
[07:23] <tuxcicles> well, sometimes linux kernel doesn't care about bios settings because it runs everything in software mode, is that the only thing that shows up when you lspci?
[07:23] <crimsun_> neoncode: I presume you're attempting to use the audigy, not the tv card?
[07:23] <neoncode> crimsun_: Yea
[07:23] <neoncode> tuxcicles: yup it is, only thing
[07:24] <crimsun_> neoncode: amixer set 'Audigy Analog/Digital Output Jack' on
[07:25] <neoncode> crimsun_: Ya don't think i've tried that?
[07:25] <neoncode> no luck
[07:25] <crimsun_> neoncode: (I have no idea what you've tried)
[07:25] <neoncode> crimsun_: good point
[07:25] <neoncode> ok...
[07:26] <crimsun_> neoncode: 'Sigmatel Surround Phase Inversion Playback ' needs to be muted
[07:26] <neoncode> crimsun_: No luck...
[07:28] <crimsun_> neoncode: mute '3D Control - Switch' and 'IEC958 Optical Raw'
[07:28] <neoncode> still nothing
[07:29] <crimsun_> pastebin ``lspci -nv''
[07:30] <neoncode> http://pastebin.ca/64119
[07:31] <crimsun_> looks like an Audigy 2 ZS [SB0350] 
[07:31] <neoncode> AH!
[07:31] <neoncode> jesus... loud...
[07:32] <crimsun_> neoncode: did it work out of the box?
[07:32] <crimsun_> (it should have)
[07:32] <crimsun_> (meaning it should have been audible when you installed Kubuntu)
[07:32] <neoncode> I think I got it to work... I had the wrong device set from my previous attempts to get it to work. and I carn't rember...oh well it seems to work now...
[07:32] <neoncode> and thank you crimsun_!!!
[07:32] <crimsun_> err...
[07:32] <crimsun_> heh, so it was an ~/.asoundrc* issue?
[07:33] <Rainier> hello
[07:33] <crimsun_> or did you use hw:1 instead of hw:0 accidentally?
[07:34] <neoncode> I have no clue... I was messing in the kcontrol sound thing
[07:34] <Rainier> are you supposed to be able to install gnome in kubuntu without problems?
[07:34] <Rainier> cause im getting a lot of errors using gnome
[07:34] <crimsun_> Rainier: yes, but you need to move ~/.gtkrc-2.0 out of the way.
[07:34] <Rainier> ah thanxs
[07:34] <Rainier> maybe thats it
[07:34] <crimsun_> (then log out and back into GNOME)
[07:34] <neoncode> anyway... i'm praticly about to collapse and it's 6:34 AM and i have to get up at 1PM... g'night people. and thanks crimsun_!!!!!!!!!
[07:34] <Rainier> just rename it i guess?
[07:34] <crimsun_> Rainier: sure, that'll suffice
[07:35] <Rainier> ok thanks a lot
[07:35] <Rainier> bye
[07:35] <[LiFE] > I am new to ubuntu, and this is my first try
[07:35] <[LiFE] > actually, this is my first try with linux... period.
[07:35] <DaSkreech> Welcome
[07:35] <[LiFE] > thanx, everything seems to work fine except for my screen resolution
[07:36] <Rainier> and one more question
[07:36] <Rainier> theres no problem running kde programs like kaffeine and amarok in gnome?
[07:36] <Healot> no
[07:36] <chavo> I'm working on a soultion to that problem right now , the gtk-qt engine thing
[07:36] <tuxcicles> [LiFE] : awe sheat, there is always something, hardware please
[07:36] <[LiFE] > I am using ASUS A8N-VM CSM which uses geforce 6150 with a wide screen tv 1366x768, how do I fix the resolution?
[07:36] <Rainier> ok great
[07:37] <[LiFE] > tuxcicles: was just typing it sir
[07:38] <[LiFE] > in the device manager, I don't see any display drivers installed, could that be it?
[07:38] <tuxcicles> wow, sounds like a great mobo
[07:38] <[LiFE] > it's evil tuxcicles, the audio chip doesn't work well with most distros, so far only ubuntu works
[07:40] <[LiFE] > tuxcicles:  any ideas?
[07:40] <tuxcicles> [LiFE] : nvidia audio?, bridge?
[07:41] <[LiFE] > tuxcicles: my audio works now.. :) my resolution on the screen is 1024x768, I want to set it to 1366x768
[07:42] <tuxcicles> [LiFE] : currently I am not using my onboard video nvidia on mine, have you tried manually editing /etc/X11/xorg.conf?
[07:42] <maltron> life: do you have an lcd monitor?
[07:42] <[LiFE] > maltron: tv
[07:43] <[LiFE] > tuxcicles: will I see nvidia video drivers in device manager?
[07:43] <[LiFE] > tuxcicles: if I don't see it, does it mean my video drivers are not installed
[07:43] <tuxcicles> no nv in xorg.conf, or nvidia?
[07:44] <vskye> blank /etc/inetd.conf -- ?
[07:44] <[LiFE] > xorg.conf huh? let me check... if I know how
[07:44] <[LiFE] > where would the xorg.conf be?
[07:45] <tuxcicles> [LiFE] :  /etc/X11/xorg.conf?
[07:45] <Healot> ooo /etc/X11
[07:46] <[LiFE] > generic video card
[07:47] <[LiFE] > under 'Section "Screen"' it says generic video card, generic monitor
[07:47] <[LiFE] > so I guess I have to install a vid card driver.
[07:47] <vskye> blank /etc/inetd.conf -- ? Wht... anyone
[07:48] <stn> who use kubuntu breezy
[07:48] <rob> *
[07:48] <rob> dapper is the latest though
[07:48] <stn> ok
[07:48] <stn> but i use breezy
[07:49] <rob> can't upgrade?
[07:49] <stn> you know if kde 3.5.3 is for breezy
[07:49] <rob> no, 3.5.2 is in Dapper though
[07:49] <stn> yes but tonigh i cant
[07:49] <stn> i have install kde 3.5.2
[07:50] <stn> but have errors
[07:50] <[LiFE] > weird, if I do a "lspci" it shows VGA Compatible controller: nVidia C51 PCI-E
[07:50] <[LiFE] > tuxcicles:  does that mean I have to install the nvidia drivers?
[07:52] <tuxcicles> i haven't used nvidia proprietary drivers yet, so I wouldn't know howto go about doing it, but look into the wiki howto
[07:52] <[LiFE] > brb... trying
[07:56] <[LiFE] > weeee
[07:57] <DaSkreech> Shut up!
[07:58] <tuxcicles> I am using an old asus mobo, and a newer ati card, that I cant get going in dapper, (drag), but it works great with breezy for some reason.  sucks.
[08:00] <lowtech> wow, usually older boards are 5V and newer cards are 3.3V
[08:00] <unix_infidel> anyone here had any problems with aterm and ncurses stuff with the new dapper release?
[08:00] <[LiFE] > hmm...
[08:00] <[LiFE] > screwed something up
[08:00] <[LiFE] > brb
[08:01] <tuxcicles> not that old :P
[08:01] <lowtech> :)
[08:01] <unix_infidel> i've gotten garbled output from anything to the system ncurses stuff to mc and i still cant google my way through it.
[08:01] <unix_infidel> anyone with some insight?
[08:02] <tuxcicles> is dapper still in test mode?  I hope?
[08:02] <unix_infidel> nope...stable.
[08:02] <tuxcicles> that figures :P
[08:08] <Ranma2264> hi to all (again)
[08:08] <lowtech> and again, heh
[08:08] <Ranma2264> is there any way to disable hal only for cdrom?
[08:08] <Ranma2264> ha
[08:09] <tuxcicles> Ranma2264: hey, hows it hanging?
[08:09] <Ranma2264> im going nutz with this
[08:09] <Ranma2264> really nutz
[08:10] <lowtech> what problem is it creating?
[08:11] <Ranma2264> the only thing i want is to have unmounted cdrom icon on desktop
[08:11] <Healot> add the Device Icon then
[08:11] <Healot> i wish i can kick my head like Wee-man does
[08:11] <tuxcicles> Ranma2264: your cdrom isn't autoloading is it
[08:12] <tuxcicles> you want it to mount automatically?  right?
[08:12] <KuLover> Is there a way to have Konqueror save view modes?
[08:13] <Ranma2264> what i want is the oposite
[08:13] <Ranma2264> i want not to use hal on cdroms
[08:13] <KuLover> Or is there a better file manager?
[08:13] <tuxcicles> KuLover: bookmarks? maybe?
[08:14] <lowtech> KuLover: you mean for file management view, and another for web view?
[08:15] <KuLover> I mean view modes as in Detaild view, list view, icon view..
[08:15] <KuLover> Know what I mean?
[08:15] <Healot> Ranma2264: then you can just uninstall HAL...
[08:15] <tuxcicles> there is a little friggin icon up in there you can click which changes your view, is that what you mean?
[08:16] <Ranma2264> Healot: I know but i do want to use hal on the other media
[08:16] <Ranma2264> Healot: I know i'm insane you can say it ;-)
[08:16] <lowtech> KuLover: i thought once you set a mode it defaulted to that from then on
[08:17] <Healot> Ranma2264: you can assgin yourself not to use HAL
[08:17] <Healot> just open the user manager
[08:17] <KuLover> lowtech, doe sit do that for you? Is doesnt do that for me
[08:17] <Healot> or you can edit the groups/passwd file...
[08:17] <lowtech> why not just create an icon for that device and right click on it to choose mount/umount ?
[08:18] <newuserak> what does it mean if when i plug in a pcmcia wifi card, it says localhost kernel: [4297040.848000]  mrv8k: probe of 0000:07:00.0                failed with error -2?
[08:18] <KuLover> Its really annoying to have to change it every time.
[08:18] <lowtech> KuLover: i don't use kde, just remember it used to work that way. sorry.
[08:18] <newuserak> it knows the driver for my marvell chipset card, but somehow fails
[08:19] <tuxcicles> Ranma2264: type blacklist in konqeror, do you see one for your cdrom?
[08:20] <tuxcicles> maybe under hotplug.blacklist
[08:20] <lowtech> KuLover: maybe try viewing the directory you want it to open to, set the view, then save the view profile under settings?
[08:20] <lowtech> KuLover: just a shot in the dark
[08:20] <KuLover> Il try that lowtech, thanks
[08:20] <Ranma2264> no i dont
[08:21] <tuxcicles> maybe add it to /etc/hotplug/blacklist if it's a module
[08:26] <CaptainMorgan> last I checked, I had the codecs... haven't logged in linux for about a week... but now Amarok is flying through songs... not playing a single one..
[08:27] <CaptainMorgan> any suggestions?
[08:27] <lowtech> KuLover: any luck?
[08:27] <KuLover> lowtech coolness.. works good
[08:27] <lowtech> KuLover: kewl, good to know.
[08:28] <KuLover> the only problem is that it only accepts one default view, not more than one for different folders
[08:28] <KuLover> oh well.
[08:28] <KuLover> DO you knwo of a different file manager?
[08:28] <Healot> try a 3D file manage
[08:28] <lowtech> not really, i use eterm. heh
[08:29] <Healot> tdfsb or something
[08:30] <Healot> http://packages.ubuntu.com/dapper/games/tdfsb
[08:30] <tuxcicles> CaptainMorgan: gstreamer good, bad, mad, glad, dirty, ...
[08:30] <Healot> ugly
[08:30] <CaptainMorgan> what?
[08:31] <DaSkreech> ha ha :)
[08:31] <DaSkreech> CaptainMorgan: What engine are you using in amarok?
[08:31] <CaptainMorgan> 1.3.9 KDE(3.5.2)
[08:32] <DaSkreech> Umm
[08:32] <DaSkreech> Look in the preferences under engine
[08:36] <CaptainMorgan> thanks.. didn't have the libxine-codecs... playing now..
[08:36] <DaSkreech> ok
[08:37] <Healot> libxine-extracodecs some to the rescue yay!
[08:37] <Healot> anyway why the developers decides to separate xine plugins?
[08:37] <crimsun_> licensing and maintenance issues.
[08:38] <Healot> oh
[08:38] <Healot> I nearly compile xine on the first day :)
[08:39] <Healot> but since the wiki enlightened my about extracodecs nah
[08:39] <crimsun_> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2005-December/013663.html  is the rationale.
[08:41] <themadscotsman> hey this ubuntu is great....it works right out of the box...and me being a newbie it was real easy to configure
[08:41] <Healot> realy, many beginners don't think so
[08:41] <Healot> but maybe they don't read the wiki or ask :)
[08:42] <themadscotsman> you don't ask...you don't learn...and i read the forums so i knew what i had to do to get this running the way i wanted
[08:43] <DaSkreech> Helps to be scottish
[08:43] <DaSkreech> or maybe it was mad
[08:43] <DaSkreech> I forget which
[08:43] <Healot> yeah, maybe you did, but others don't :-
[08:43] <themadscotsman> aye that it does....:)
[08:44] <themadscotsman> the tenacious scotsman...hangs on until he final graps the concepts...;)
[08:45] <Healot> Tenacious...
[08:45] <themadscotsman> or is that just plain being stubborn and hard headed....lol
[08:47] <themadscotsman> well with this Automatix it makes installing software a breeze...as in breezy 5.10....lol
[08:47] <[LiFE] > tuxcicles: weird.. I install nvidia, but in xorg.conf it tells me ATi
[08:47] <fatejudger> I can't seem to mount this ext3 drive so that users have permission to write to it
[08:47] <fatejudger> only root seems to be able to do that
[08:47] <fatejudger> any options I have to add to the fstab to make this possible?
[08:48] <themadscotsman> use sudo passwd and creat root
[08:48] <themadscotsman> that should be sudo passwd root
[08:49] <tuxcicles>  [LiFE]  bwahahha, you don't have ati
[08:49] <[LiFE] > I know
[08:49] <[LiFE] > Device		"ATI Technologies, Inc. Radeon RV100 QY [Radeon 7000/VE] "
[08:49] <[LiFE] > see
[08:50] <themadscotsman> nVidia rocks...better driver support for linux
[08:50] <tuxcicles> :S
[08:50] <[LiFE] > Driver		"nvidia"
[08:50] <[LiFE] > but the next line
[08:50] <[LiFE] > lol
[08:50] <DaSkreech> themadscotsman: http://www.phoronix.com/redblog/
[08:51] <tuxcicles> [LiFE] : try some gl screensaver n see if it works, maybe a reboot is in order
[08:52] <themadscotsman> DaSkreech: nvidia still has better linux driver support and i have using nvidiaa for years
[08:53] <tuxcicles> but the on-board ones, i don't know if linux can pull those through
[08:53] <themadscotsman> i can't see...is that captain braille....lol
[08:53] <DaSkreech> themadscotsman: Thats a test to see how bad the driver support is :) He's using only ati and Linux for 50 days to see what comes of it
[08:53] <captainbraille> lol
[08:54] <[LiFE] > tuxcicles: I already rebooted... trying to manually install drivers instead
[08:54] <captainbraille> Daredevil was my second favorite superhero growing up
[08:54] <themadscotsman> well i tried kanotix...and this a lot more user-friendly...easier to set-up
[08:55] <tuxcicles> [LiFE] : is it GL'ing like Ma Gellen?
[08:55] <themadscotsman> well DaSkreech good luck to the bloke
[08:56] <DaSkreech> lol
[08:56] <DaSkreech> Thank goodness he was called daredevil and not captainbraille
[08:56] <DaSkreech>  :)
[08:57] <[LiFE] > trying
[08:57] <captainbraille> I removed a few items from my K menu that were in the Wine group, and now when I install anything on my computer it won't show up in my K menu, anyone know how to fix that?
[08:57] <themadscotsman> my favorite superhero growing up was Captain Haggis....lol
[08:59] <themadscotsman> is that dapper worth a try or should i stick with breezy
[09:00] <tuxcicles> [LiFE] : good luck with that, Dapper is a somnamabitch, I can't get the ATI proprietary to work with it, breezy works great though
[09:00] <[LiFE] > what do u mean by GL'ing like Ma Gellen
[09:01] <Healot> [LiFE] : what ever that mean
[09:01] <[LiFE] > well, GL Screensaver works
[09:01] <Healot> ya
[09:01] <[LiFE] > Healot: tuxcicles ask me whether my screen saver ins gling like ma gellen, so I have no idea
[09:01] <themadscotsman> wats wrong with dapper???
[09:01] <Healot> when you enabled 3D acceleration for your graphics adapter
[09:02] <tuxcicles> [LiFE] : that's a good sign, do you have any special tv out on that mobo?
[09:02] <Healot> [LiFE] : neither do I
[09:02] <[LiFE] > Healot: I have nvidia geforce 6150 onboard video
[09:02] <[LiFE] > Healot: using 6.06 right now, just installed the nvidia drivers
[09:02] <[LiFE] > but in xorg.conf it says ATi
[09:02] <[LiFE] > lol
[09:02] <themadscotsman> well then wat you doing installing ATI video drivers mate
[09:02] <[LiFE] > I didn't, it just tells me I have, but driver 'nvidia'
[09:03] <Healot> [LiFE] : just change that ati driver to "nv" or "nvidia"
[09:03] <tuxcicles> you never heard of gelling like magellen, wtf ever
[09:03] <[LiFE] > lol
[09:03] <themadscotsman> thats a yank thing tuxcicles
[09:03] <tuxcicles> nvidia, probably
[09:05] <[LiFE] > http://pastebin.ca/64140
[09:05] <[LiFE] > look there
[09:05] <[LiFE] > :)
[09:05] <[LiFE] > and no, I didn't do anything funny
[09:06] <themadscotsman> use your favorite text editor and do....sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf and edit video driver to nvidia or nv
[09:06] <[LiFE] > it is nvidia, the description just says ATiu
[09:06] <tuxcicles> ati, bwahahaa, it is just a comment type field, i dunno why it says ati though, pretty funny
[09:06] <themadscotsman> bloody hell...lol
[09:07] <themadscotsman> have you Automatix installed
[09:07] <Healot> [LiFE] : you previously changed graphics adapter?
[09:07] <[LiFE] > and this is from installing the nvidia-glx from the repository
[09:07] <[LiFE] > no, new install, just finished installing ubuntu like 1/2 hr ago
[09:07] <tuxcicles> two major compeditors ati and nvidia, make up your mind :P
[09:08] <themadscotsman> install Automatix 6.1.8....it will install Nvidia drivers for you
[09:08] <[LiFE] > automatix? ehh.. where how what?
[09:09] <[LiFE] > themadscotsman: this is my first time using linux
[09:09] <ruben> hallo
[09:09] <themadscotsman> google Automatix....go to home page...or...www.getautomatix.com
[09:09] <tuxcicles> there is automatix for dapper?
[09:09] <ruben> yes
[09:09] <ruben> i did it yesterday
[09:10] <[LiFE] > I also want to install a monitor driver that allows 1366x768@60Hz
[09:10] <themadscotsman> LiFE make sure if you install you use the breezy if you are in breezy and dapper if you are in dapper
[09:10] <[LiFE] > dapper
[09:10] <ruben> this is my 2e day kubuntu
[09:10] <[LiFE] > I just download 6.06 today, so it should be dapper
[09:11] <resmo> hehe
[09:11] <ruben> yes 6.06 is dapper
[09:11] <ruben> sorry for my englisch
[09:11] <[LiFE] > how do I do this automatix thing?
[09:11] <themadscotsman> lIFE just click link i typed and read....lol
[09:11] <[LiFE] > doh
[09:11] <themadscotsman> LiFE even...sorry
[09:11] <resmo> cat /etc/debian_version ...
[09:11] <[LiFE] > too busy looking everywhere. ;)
[09:11] <resmo> lol
[09:12] <themadscotsman> www.getautomatix.com....it explains it all...its easy to set up....even a hard headed scotsman could do it....lol
[09:13] <ruben> you can read a lot about automatix:
[09:13] <tuxcicles> is there a nvidia control panel?
[09:13] <ruben> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=80295&highlight=automatix+stickyhttp://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=80295&highlight=automatix+sticky
[09:14] <ruben> Does somebady now how i can see the weather on my desktop ?
[09:14] <themadscotsman> not that i have noticed...it just installs the Nvidia drivers in a snap...no muss or fuss
[09:14] <themadscotsman> kweather
[09:14] <Healot> ruben: kweather
[09:14] <ruben> oke
[09:14] <Healot> Kapplet kweather
[09:14] <tuxcicles> kweather, does it show celcius only?
[09:15] <themadscotsman> no it configs F to
[09:15] <Healot> configurable
[09:15] <themadscotsman> aye
[09:16] <DaSkreech> Night
[09:16] <themadscotsman> night DaSkreech
[09:16] <tuxcicles> but does the one for kde look bad?, kinda sucky? i liked the one in gnome
[09:17] <ruben> i just install kweather but how i can find/open it
[09:17] <Healot> define "bad look"
[09:17] <Healot> I just change the freaking theme
[09:18] <tuxcicles> kinda big n narley
[09:18] <tuxcicles> i dunno, i havent tried it yet.
[09:19] <ruben> i cant find kweather in the menu
[09:19] <[LiFE] > okay, just installed automatix
[09:19] <[LiFE] > whatever that does
[09:19] <[LiFE] > it's doing something funny
[09:20] <chavo> ruben, ir's a panel applet
[09:20] <chavo> it's even
[09:20] <themadscotsman> go into start...go to systems and click on automatix
[09:20] <[LiFE] > rebooting
[09:21] <[LiFE] > brb
[09:21] <ruben> and how mist i open that (sorry i am new)
[09:21] <ruben> must*
[09:21] <chavo> ruben, right click the panle and do Add Applet to Panel
[09:22] <tuxcicles> ok, i installed kweather, friggen celcius
[09:23] <mitja> Does anyone know how do I run an iso image from term? It's a distro installation image.
[09:23] <[LiFE] > hmm
[09:23] <[LiFE] > automatix did the same thing
[09:23] <[LiFE] > still ATi card description running nvidia drivers
[09:23] <[LiFE] > lol
[09:23] <chavo> mitja, run an iso?
[09:23] <Healot> mitja: you can mount it, not run it
[09:24] <themadscotsman> well mate that freaky
[09:24] <[LiFE] > meh.. as long as it works
[09:24] <Healot> mount -t iso9660 -o lo <filename> <mount point>
[09:24] <mitja> Healot: yeah, have it mounted already now I would like to run the installation
[09:24] <[LiFE] > it can call it Ma'Daddy for all I care
[09:24] <[LiFE] > now any magically thingie that will allow me to run at 1366x768 resolution?
[09:25] <tuxcicles> [LiFE] : still ati, bwahaha, remind me not to get another asus mobo
[09:25] <ruben> he cant find a station
[09:25] <chavo> mitja, you can't really run it, you can boot it with vmware or qemu
[09:25] <mitja> chavo: what about grub?
[09:25] <[LiFE] > tuxcicles: nvidia drivers are closed source, maybe they playing around
[09:25] <chavo> mitja, ???
[09:25] <[LiFE] > isn't that where the driver description suppose to come from?
[09:26] <chavo> mitja, waht exactly are you trying to do?
[09:26] <[LiFE] > Healot: anything to suggest for my resolution issue?
[09:27] <tuxcicles> [LiFE] : maybe there is a nvidiaconfig file you need to run to rewrite your xorg.conf?  also do you have a nvidia contol panel?
[09:27] <ruben> how i cant easy update kweather now it version 2.1
[09:27] <Healot> [LiFE] : if you monitor support 16:9 or other anamorphic resolution, yes
[09:27] <[LiFE] > don't think so.. :(
[09:27] <Healot> then the monitor can't
[09:28] <[LiFE] > sorry, as in don't think so for nvidiaconfig file
[09:28] <Healot> but, [LiFE] , you know whay, you can do a virtual screen instead
[09:28] <[LiFE] > and yes, my monitor/tv is 16:9
[09:28] <[LiFE] > i can what?
[09:31] <[LiFE] > this is my first day using ubuntu and linux
[09:31] <[LiFE] > what is a virtual screen
[09:31] <tuxcicles> kweather looks big n shitty, plus it's celcius r whatever, any superkaramba weather? in english?
[09:32] <chavo> tuxcicles, liquid weather
[09:33] <[LiFE] > one last question before I go to bed, what is the real difference between x64 and i386? is there any benefits if I run x64?
[09:33] <chavo> you can get it with the get new stuff button
[09:34] <tuxcicles> chavo: i'll checkit
[09:34] <chavo> tuxcicles, I'm using gkrellm for system stats and weather, etc
[09:34] <chavo> I don't really like the idea of widgets
[09:34] <[LiFE] > hmmm
[09:34] <[LiFE] > do I get lesser apts and more problems if I use x64?
[09:34] <sdolnack> LIFE:
[09:34] <sdolnack> what processor do you have
[09:35] <[LiFE] > athlon64 3500+
[09:35] <sdolnack> if you have a 64 bit processor
[09:35] <sdolnack> ok
[09:35] <chavo> [LiFE] , as far as I know there are a few problems with x64 but not a lot
[09:35] <sdolnack> are you talking abotu kernels?
[09:35] <tuxcicles> is there a k gkrellm type thing still in kde, and does it do stuff like weather?
[09:36] <tuxcicles> there used to be one, back in the ol days
[09:36] <[LiFE] > sdolnack: when I downloaded ubuntu, there were 2, i386 and amd64
[09:36] <[LiFE] > I have both
[09:36] <[LiFE] > but I installed i386 assuming there might be more programs for 32bit than 64bit
[09:36] <chavo> tuxcicles, it works in KDE and there's a weather plugin too
[09:36] <[LiFE] > the maing reason why I am using ubuntu is because I wanna use mythtv
[09:37] <[LiFE] > and to learn how to use linux
[09:37] <[LiFE] > :)
[09:37] <chavo> yeah gkrellm is old, I remember using it way back when. even made some themes for it.
[09:38] <tuxcicles> im thinking of kasbar, yea, i think thats it
[09:40] <chavo> oh kasbar yeah you can still get that, right click the panel and add new panel -> kasbar
[09:40] <vinboy> h
[09:40] <vinboy> hi
[09:40] <[LiFE] > I have a funny feeling the only thing I am gonna do with linux is probably play nibbles.. :\
[09:40] <vinboy> can I use debian package under kubuntu?
[09:41] <chavo> vinboy, you can, but shouldn't
[09:41] <ninHer> hi all
[09:42] <[LiFE] > anyways, nite everyone, I will go figure this out tomorrow nite instead...
[09:42] <[LiFE] > thanks everyone
[09:42] <vinboy> chavo: ok thanks
[09:42] <chavo> vinboy, what package is it?
[09:44] <vinboy> chavo: just asking
[09:44] <chavo> ok
[09:45] <joe_> Hello.. I have a question. :)
[09:45] <vinboy> chavo: kubuntu package r abit slow :(
[09:45] <vinboy> chavo: i wan kopete 0.12
[09:46] <chavo> vinboy, there's a kubuntu package for that somewhere
[09:46] <joe_> When I install Xubuntu, Kubuntu or Ubuntu 6.06 Dapper.. I always get a Grub error saying that it cannot locate the partition /dev/hde, which is what it had just previously installed to via the live cd, any thoughts?
[09:47] <chavo> vinboy, hold on I'm looking thru my log to find the package
[09:48] <Healot> done banishing robots?
[09:48] <chavo> vinboy, http://www.ubuntu-zh.org/~freeflying/packages/kopete_0.12.0-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
[09:49] <vinboy> chavo: thanks chavo
[09:49] <vinboy> why don't they put it in the repo?
[09:49] <chavo> vinboy, stability
[09:50] <chavo> only security fixes, iy might make it into backports though
[09:50] <ruben> are there alternatives for kweather, he can't find a station
[09:50] <vinboy> ic
[09:50] <vinboy> hmmmmm
[09:50] <chavo> ruben, superkaramba
[09:50] <vinboy> we should put up a third-party repos for bleeding-edge stuff
[09:51] <chavo> vinboy, there are some
[09:51] <joe_> Is anyone interested in commenting...?
[09:51] <chavo> such as the kde3.5.3, amarok 1.4 and koffice1.5 repos on kubuntu.org
[09:51] <vinboy> yea i have those
[09:53] <eddye> HI ALL! :)
[09:53] <chavo> joe_, no idea sorry
[09:53] <chavo> HI!
[09:53] <Healot> comment on whut?
[09:55] <eddye> can anyone please tell me how do i see what kubuntu am i using?
[09:55] <joe_> Thank you, chavo.
[09:57] <kkathman> hey chavo..wassup?
[09:57] <eddye> root@eddye-desktop:/home/eddye# fgl_glxgears
[09:57] <eddye> Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
[09:57] <eddye> Xlib: No protocol specified
[09:57] <eddye> Error: couldn't open display (null)
[09:57] <eddye> anyone knows this problem ? :D
[09:58] <chavo> hi kkathman
[09:59] <kkathman> chavo on some of my websites, I get a message to download the latest Flash Player, but on others I dont. Now, I downloaded the latest from Flash, moved the .so file to overwrite the previous one, but I still get  the message on some pages.  Im using Opera, so I wonder if it picked up the new one.
[09:59] <suppaman> I saw kubuntu dapper release
[09:59] <rigonatti> hi all !
[10:00] <suppaman> it's wonderful!
[10:00] <chavo> kkathman, the latest flash for linux is 7 and a some sites require 8
[10:00] <kkathman> ahh maybe thats it...Im just getting the v7 and its not available yet.
[10:00] <tuxcicles> it's probably refering to shockwave, which doesn't work in linux, unless you do wine
[10:01] <rigonatti> someone If ubuntu or kubuntu writes in NTFS File System ?
[10:01] <Healot> well, windows firefox binaries+WINE+Flash 8 could work
[10:01] <kkathman> seems like I remember thats what I installed..and that was from the Macromedia website
[10:01] <ninHer> besides, kubuntu dapper amd64 needs extra configuration
[10:01] <ninHer> no flash app. from the begining
[10:01] <kkathman> Healot:  I'll just wait till MM releases a v8 plugin
[10:01] <kkathman> its not that critical...more of a curiousity actually
[10:02] <rigonatti> someone If ubuntu or kubuntu write in NTFS File System ?
[10:02] <Healot> they will, but don't expect they release such soon
[10:02] <tuxcicles> flash or shockwave, shockwave doesn't work
[10:02] <Healot> rigonatti: no, readonly NTFS support
[10:02] <Healot> but with 3rd party application+driver, you can write partially safe, rigonatti
[10:02] <ninHer> i didn't say you can not run flash app on kubuntu dapper amd64
[10:03] <Healot> you can, with a few tweaks
[10:03] <rigonatti> Healot: what do you mean with partially safe ?
[10:03] <ninHer> and  gnash
[10:03] <ninHer> to avoid proprietary software
[10:03] <Healot> rigonatti: it might be safe or not, which it may destroy the NTFS security descriptor
[10:04] <chavo> they aren't going to release flash8 for linux
[10:04] <ninHer> off topic: any of you are going to : http://fsfeurope.org/projects/gplv3/europe-gplv3-conference.es.html
[10:04] <ninHer> i will
[10:04] <chavo> next release is 9 and will be a couple of months behind the windows release
[10:04] <Healot> GPLv3 conference, too geeky :)
[10:04] <ninHer> yep ;-)
[10:05] <Healot> no, too lawful :)
[10:05] <ninHer> i'm a member of FSF
[10:05] <Healot> Law/legal terms that I can't apprehend
[10:05] <ninHer> it is about, mainly, gplv3
[10:06] <Healot> but being in a group makes you less "free" right?
[10:06] <ninHer> mmm, not sure Healot
[10:06] <ninHer> being in a group makes you stronger
[10:06] <Healot> I support FSF, but joining it makes me feel unfree :-
[10:07] <ninHer> why don't you try to work-collaborate with them/us ?
[10:08] <Healot> MY company does professional support for ubuntu here...
[10:08] <ninHer> ok, that's great Healot
[10:08] <Healot> sometimes I personally went to FSF/OSI conferences, if they happen to come by our place
[10:09] <Healot> i went to RMS talk, last year
[10:09] <ninHer> me too; 2 years ago near my home
[10:09] <ninHer> spain
[10:09] <Healot> but no official relationship... just supporting from behind the wall
[10:09] <Healot> i guess...
[10:10] <ninHer> well, anyway is support; lovely
[10:10] <Healot> but you know what, people are interested in FSF/FOSS... they just need more information
[10:10] <RawSewage> how do you train Bogofilter
[10:12] <ninHer> you're right Healot; i am concerned about that issue and my main purpose is translator
[10:12] <ninHer> spreading the word
[10:15] <suppaman> bye
[10:25] <gan|y|med> hallo
[10:32] <martinjh99> Morning.  Anyone have any pointers to changing refresh rates in X?
[10:34] <RawSewage> yes
[10:34] <azathoth> how can i install a different widget style?
[10:35] <RawSewage> I forgot how I did it though
[10:37] <gan|y|med> martinjh99: look into xorg.conf
[10:37] <eddye> When i type fglrxinfo it says that i didn't install the ati driver... but as farr as i know i installed it yesterday
[10:37] <eddye> anyone please help me :)
[10:38] <eddye> eddye@eddye-desktop:~$ fglrxinfo
[10:38] <eddye> display: :0.0  screen: 0
[10:38] <eddye> OpenGL vendor string: Mesa project: www.mesa3d.org
[10:38] <eddye> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect
[10:38] <eddye> OpenGL version string: 1.2 (1.5 Mesa 6.4.1)
[10:39] <gan|y|med> eddye: did you install ati's package or the kubuntu version?
[10:40] <eddye> kubuntu version
[10:40] <eddye> i think :S
[10:43] <gan|y|med> eddye: try the ati version (installer!). worked for me out of the box. the problem with the debian packages is not the driver, it is some stupid linking probs.
[10:44] <gan|y|med> if you wanna go with the ubuntu version: do lsmod | grep flgrx first to see if the module is loaded. if it is, it's probably the links
[10:45] <eddye> ok
[10:45] <eddye> i'll try
[10:46] <CaptainMorgan> upon clicking, Add/Remove Programs attempts to load but never opens...
[10:46] <CaptainMorgan> any suggestions?
[10:47] <CaptainMorgan> ok... that was a short stint.. now it opens, but asks for root.. process interference?
[10:48] <gan|y|med> this is normal
[10:48] <gan|y|med> sadly
[10:49] <gan|y|med> maybe somebody could induce a petition for fixing this problem. it has kept on spoiling my mood since breezy
[10:51] <ruben> hallo
[10:52] <JanMartin> hi
[10:52] <ruben> I have a question, why some programs don't start at the first time ?
[10:53] <_ryan> hey
[10:54] <ruben> hi
[10:54] <_ryan> how do you mount an ntfs partiton so a user has access to it?
[10:54] <_ryan> I tried the uid and umask option, but the permissions seem to be wrong.
[10:55] <ruben> i dont' know
[10:55] <nico8481> loo
[10:55] <nico8481> lo
[10:55] <m4t7e0> hello
[10:56] <m4t7e0> there are any italian?
[10:57] <tuxcicles> _ryan: mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1 /mnt
[10:57] <m4t7e0> i have the problem with the driver of grafical interface.. (i have ati x1600 mobile and Kubuntu Dapper
[10:58] <ruben> What is the fastest p2p client for mp3's
[10:58] <ruben> on kubuntu
[10:59] <tuxcicles> ruben: who knows, there are so many of em
[10:59] <melkart> do i understand correctly that, before shutting down, all modules are being unloaded from the kernel?
[11:02] <ruben> @tuxcicles Witch do you use ?
[11:03] <m4t7e0> ..
[11:03] <m4t7e0> anyone can help me?
[11:04] <ruben> i am a linux noob :p
[11:04] <tuxcicles> i kinda like ktorrent, usually newsgroups are the best way to go, klibido is excellent binary grabber
[11:05] <tuxcicles> ati ey, are you using ati proprietary drivers, fglrx?
[11:05] <m4t7e0> now
[11:05] <m4t7e0> no
[11:05] <m4t7e0> i have vesa driver
[11:06] <farous> m4t7e0: can you state your prob
[11:07] <CaptainMorgan> how do I edit symbolic links/menu buttons, icons? I have DrScheme installed to /usr/bin and I would like to link to it as under menu/Development it is not there yet
[11:07] <apu> hey all
[11:08] <apu> how can i set the global character encoding in kde?
[11:08] <m4t7e0> if i install the ati driver the xserver give me an error..
[11:09] <tuxcicles> i don't know if that card is supported under fglrx check here and maybe this will help http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Installation_Guide#Method_2:_Generating.2FInstalling_Ubuntu_packages_for_the_newer_8.23.7_drivers_in_Ubuntu_Dapper
[11:09] <farous> m4t7e0: is your card supported what card do you have. fglrx is hmm worst you can use why not use the free ones you have 3-d accel with that
[11:09] <m4t7e0> now i test this..
[11:09] <m4t7e0> tnx
[11:09] <farous> tuxcicles: does not work
[11:10] <farous> !ati
[11:10] <ubotu> [ati]  http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/hardware.html#installatidriver or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI ... the radeon 9200 and below are supported by the open-source drivers
[11:10] <m4t7e0> but because during the installation i have selected the italian language and after installation the language is englis?
[11:11] <tuxcicles> well, i guess use the free ones then just sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and change to ati
[11:11] <gan|y|med> farous: why is fglrx the worst you can use?
[11:11] <farous> because i use it and it is like hmm how can i put it trash
[11:12] <gan|y|med> i don't know about x11r7, but in r6 the open source drivers are absolutely unsuitable
[11:12] <farous> property drivers when they become opensource perhaps they will be better
[11:12] <tuxcicles> he thinks there the worst because they are proprietary, but they are the only ones that will give me gl
[11:12] <piui> how can I transfer my gnupg keys from one computer to another?
[11:13] <farous> tuxcicles: i do nto think i use them and they give a hell of problems
[11:13] <apu> how can i set the global character encoding in kde?
[11:13] <farous> tuxcicles: and there is a howto on setting xgl with open source drivers
[11:14] <tuxcicles> they work ok for me in breezy, i would like to use xgl though if it would work, where do i find the howto on that?
[11:14] <gan|y|med> farous: i am using them too and they work very well, especially the installation has become a easy as it could (and believe me, i am not in favour of proprietary drivers as well)
[11:14] <farous> help.ubuntu.com
[11:14] <farous> let me check the page
[11:14] <farous> gan|y|med: you do not have the frequent lockups good
[11:15] <tuxcicles> gan|y|med: are you using xgl too?
[11:15] <gan|y|med> what do u mean? too slow?
[11:15] <apu> how can i set the global character encoding in kde?
[11:16] <gan|y|med> no, not stable enough. but i'll try when i have time. it is not suitable for a production system right now
[11:16] <farous> but gan|y|med yah the installtion much easier they did good job on that. compiling from source or installing from repos are both the same quality now
[11:16] <farous> gan|y|med: no lockup means the pc hangs and only way is hard shutdown holding down the power button for 5 min
[11:17] <MikeMcA> hi.  what's the kbd shortcut to switch between desktops in kubuntu?  thx
[11:17] <farous> !xgl
[11:17] <ubotu> XGL on Ubuntu: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CompositeManager - Join #ubuntu-xgl for all the XGL fun on Ubuntu systems.  Pretty videos on http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease/  See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[11:17] <gan|y|med> you mean when you logout. there is a fix for that...
[11:18] <farous> ah there is the wiki page and i can not seem to find the howto one
[11:18] <tuxcicles> i would like to use dapper, but last time I tried fglrx in dapper, no dice.
[11:18] <farous> setting the gdm.conf you mean
[11:18] <Locke355> i added the universe and multiverse repositories to adept, but even after fetching updates.. i still can't find "msttcorefonts".. any idea what i am doing wrong?
[11:19] <mindspin> I'd like to upgrade, but I have some non standard resources in my sources. lst (plf, kde 3.5.2 riddels package) any known risks ?
[11:19] <farous> they are in multiverse
[11:19] <gan|y|med> just download the ati installer... works flawlessly. you only have to change your kdmrc (one line) and then it works
[11:20] <farous> gan|y|med: not all cards are created equal ;)
[11:20] <MikeMcA> on suse, ctrl-tab switches between desktops.  on my new kubuntu install that doesn't work.  can someone please shoot me the key sequence to switch desktops on kubuntu? thx again.
[11:20] <gan|y|med> farous: or kdmrc. but it works. i admit, could be faster. i haven't checked out the x11r7 ati drivers though
[11:21] <Locke355> farous: in adept.. i added the line with "dapper-backports main restricted universe multiverse".. anything else i need to do?
[11:21] <farous> Locke355: you need dapper universe multiverse. It is not in the backport repos
[11:21] <maltron> can anyone help me out as to why .bash_profile is only called when I log in remotely or via a text login?  If I log in graphically (gnome or kde) it's never read, and my path is never updated
[11:22] <farous> never heared about the x11r7 though might check it out when get the time
[11:22] <maltron> i had this problem on debian too, and I suspect it's the same with all distros
[11:22] <Locke355> farous: do i have to add the multiverse list manually? i dont see it listed
[11:22] <farous> yes
[11:22] <Locke355> do i just copy the universe line and change the component from universe to multiverse?
[11:23] <Locke355> (sorry first time on ubuntu and dealing with apt)
[11:23] <farous> !repos
[11:23] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource.
[11:23] <Locke355> thanks
[11:23] <farous> Locke355: but you can do what you said and easy way also is easysource
[11:23] <farous> !easysource
[11:23] <ubotu> For an easy to use custom sources.list creator, visit http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[11:25] <gan|y|med> MikeMcA: why don't you try ctrl + F1 F2... that's not exactly the same but it works
[11:25] <gan|y|med> have to go
[11:25] <gan|y|med> cu#
[11:26] <MikeMcA> thx
[11:27] <MikeMcA> but *should* ctrl-tab work on kubuntu?  maybe the kbd on my laptop is the prob
[11:27] <Locke355> farous: worked. thank you :)
[11:27] <farous> ur w:)
[11:28] <farous> maltron: do you mean when you open a terminal
[11:28] <farous> maltron: i know for terminals by default .bashrc is the one that is called you can set bash_profile but i do not know how
[11:30] <Skaman_> hi guys
[11:30] <maltron> farous: yeah.  My understanding is that .bash_profile is supposed to be called when you first log in, and .bashrc is called for every new shell, but that's in the old days - it doesn't seem to work that way anymore, yet I still want my .bash_profile environment variables and so on
[11:30] <Skaman_> anyone has a 100% working mx510 miouse?
[11:33] <Locke355> farous: any chance if you know if KDE needs to be restarted to see the fonts?
[11:33] <Locke355> or do i need to add them manually to KDE ?
[11:33] <farous> Locke355: have no idea
[11:33] <Locke355> k :)
[11:33] <chavo> Locke355, you don't need to restart
[11:33] <chavo> Locke355, where did you put the fonts?
[11:34] <Locke355> just grabbed them with adept
[11:34] <chavo> ok
[11:34] <chavo> yeah they should be available immediately
[11:35] <Locke355> a document said run 'fc-cache'.. did that
[11:35] <Locke355> weird.. cause .. for example.. i want to change the font in konsole. i go to select font.. and it only lists the original 7 fonts
[11:36] <chavo> Locke355, you can only use monospace fonts
[11:36] <Locke355> ahh. any other font packs with a nicer 8 point font? the courier 10 is pretty crappy at that size
[11:37] <mth`MAW_> http://www.designerinaction.de/fonts/show.php?art=pixelfonts
[11:37] <farous> did you try the bitsreamversa they are installed by default
[11:37] <mth`MAW_> Locke355: take a look there
[11:37] <Locke355> ya i'm using bitstream now
[11:37] <Locke355> loadin
[11:37] <chavo> yeah I like bitstream
[11:38] <chavo> consolas is a nice new font but it's from the evil empire :)
[11:38] <Locke355> ya.. bitstream vera san mono is the best at 8 i have found os far
[11:38] <farous> i have no trouble dealing with the devil ;)
[11:39] <chavo> If you have the vista beta just copy the fonts into ~/.fonts
[11:39] <chavo> consolas is actually pretty nice
[11:39] <farous> nice thanx chavo
[11:39] <Locke355> mth`MAW_: if  i download one of these.. what directory should i put it in?
[11:39] <chavo> yeah you can put any ttf in ~/.fonts
[11:40] <Locke355> that makes them only for the current user tho, no?
[11:40] <mth`MAW_> ~/.fonts
[11:40] <chavo> Locke355, yes /usr/share/fonts for system or use the font installer in system settings
[11:40] <Locke355> thanks :)
[11:40] <mth`MAW_> then restart your application to scan the directory
[11:41] <Locke355> sorry for all the retarded questions.. been a hwile since i used linux outside of a console
[11:41] <chavo> oh that's what were here for :)
[11:41] <farous> chavo: turned out you can just download them from the evilempire website :)
[11:41] <virnik> hi there, got problem with K3B SVN compilation on Kubuntu Breezy: checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 4.1) (library qt) not found.
[11:41] <virnik> can somebody help?
[11:42] <chavo> farous, all the new fonts?
[11:42] <farous> i only checked  consolas
[11:42] <DeadS0ul> virnik: uh, don't us ehtat one, that one is waaaaaaaaaaay too new
[11:42] <chavo> virnik, do a sudo apt-get build-dep k3b, that'll install all the libs you need to build it
[11:43] <virnik> chavo: but not for SVN version
[11:43] <chavo> virnik, oh no
[11:43] <virnik> E: Build-dependencies for k3b could not be satisfied
[11:43] <chavo> that's probably not going to build for you
[11:43] <virnik> have you got some good sources?
[11:43] <chavo> svn trunk for KDE is a mess
[11:44] <apathy```> anyone have a solution to getting error 8254 timer not connect to IP_APIC during installation?
[11:44] <chavo> if you're not developer it's really useless
[11:44] <Locke355> being new to KDE aswell.. question just cause i think the effect is cool. the kicker tooltip has this nice wave made of circles animation. are there any other variants of that animation i can set ?
[11:44] <chavo> Locke355, no
[11:45] <chavo> virnik, why are you trying to build that?
[11:46] <ArmedGeek> apathy```: wild guess:  add acpi=off and/or nolapic to your boot options
[11:47] <apathy```> is that in bios?
[11:47] <farous> ah won't install perhaps needs vista as you said
[11:47] <virnik> chavo: cos binary version cant be installed due to dependency
[11:47] <NthDegree_> nothing needs vista :|
[11:48] <virnik> chavo: and cos my old one, which i have uninstalled, gotta problem with k3bsetup
[11:48] <ArmedGeek> apathy```: google for linux bootoptions
[11:48] <farous> NthDegree_: its a font nothing about kubuntu little bit of side track :)
[11:48] <chavo> virnik, you checked out svn trunk, that's the kde4 branch it's not going to build
[11:48] <chavo> you wan to get the 3.5 branch
[11:48] <NthDegree_> oh farous, thought someone was talking about windows again :|
[11:49] <NthDegree_> brb restart
[11:49] <virnik> chavo: doing it now
[11:49] <virnik> chavo: thx
[11:52] <alberto_165> ciao a tutti
[11:53] <alberto_165> i have a problem with codec installation in kubuntu
[11:54] <apathy```> ArmedGeek: once i select install it gives me no options to enter commands
[11:54] <apathy```> is there another option somewhere
[11:55] <alberto_85> wich pach i will installad for codec video and audio?
[11:55] <alberto_85> pack
[12:12] <travis|linux> anyone know if gam-server is required?
[12:12] <travis|linux> can I get rid of it
[12:12] <travis|linux> it seems to be chewing up processor for no reason
[12:12] <uniq> it'
[12:12] <uniq> s needed.
[12:13] <uniq> all KDE depends on it as of now. In the next release it will probably be left out.
[12:13] <travis|linux> is it normal for it to chew up 16.5% of the processor almost all the time?
[12:13] <uniq> it
[12:13] <ultm8> please can anyone help me, wine crisis cannot install wine to save life please help me!
[12:13] <uniq> argh..
[12:14] <uniq> it can use alot of cpu-time sometimes, yes.
[12:14] <ultm8> uniq are you a kubuntu kde pro?
[12:14] <uniq> ultm8: depends what the problem is.
[12:14] <ultm8> wine m8 wine is the problem just trying to install it
[12:15] <ultm8> i follow the kubuntu instructions but cannot find it in respositories
[12:15] <ultm8> i add the respositories still cannot find it
[12:15] <uniq> did you enable the universe repositories?
[12:16] <ultm8> probably not
[12:16] <ultm8> how can i do this?
[12:16] <ultm8> :D
[12:16] <uniq> go to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto#head-3af7264a0e97edbc5bf039e5bdb971f46c43269a and follow the instructions.
[12:17] <uniq> I have to go now, good luck.
[12:18] <ultm8> cheers buddy thx
[12:18] <travis|linux> thanks for the help uniq
[12:20] <travis|linux> oohhh.. I found out what did it
[12:21] <travis|linux> the system setting program
[12:21] <travis|linux> that is what caused the gam-server to go nuts
[12:29] <paines> hi
[12:29] <alberto_85> hi
[12:30] <alberto_85> guarda che qua tengono la cazzimma non rispondono a niente
[12:31] <paines> i am facing a problem with kopete and desktop icons. when I do a right click on an icon on the desktop to change some properties, kopete and the icons system are hanging, until I kill kopete. very strange
[12:31] <fek> moin
[01:10] <flo-_> hy all. i need some help , iesterday all workt fine with the internet conection but today when i go in sitem settings and tri to change somethin with the network config. i get ip adress gateway nn valid or something like that, mi conection is up and running becouse now im ussing a live knoopix, on hd there is a dapper, please help and excuse my english
[01:13] <NthDegree_> flo-_ i'm thinking you may have a DHCP problem or you need to tell it the IP of your gateway/router
[01:13] <flo-_> NthDegree_: mi net conection is up and running becouse i'm usingit from a live cd
[01:14] <NthDegree_> yes but on dapper you have no net connection right?
[01:15] <flo-_> yesterday it all workt fine...could it be something related to firewall
[01:15] <flo-_> ?
[01:15] <NthDegree_> i doubt it
[01:15] <NthDegree_> unless you went messing around with iptables
[01:19] <kasim> hi, my dapper (alternate) CD installs fails badly not able to detect my IDE-disk on my new Asus K8N4-E board. any hints?
[01:24] <steveire> I'm trying to figure out why in firefox I can't open or open containing folder from the downloads box
[01:26] <NthDegree_> steveire it's just something that is the way it is, probably a gitch in it's source
[01:27] <NthDegree_> some versions do work for me and others don't when it comes to things like that
[01:28] <steveire> any way I can make it use Konqueror somehow?
[01:35] <virnik> heh, now i am compiling monkey audio k3b plugin, but i got ../../../strip_fPIC.sh: line 15: exec: -f: invalid option
[01:35] <virnik> exec: usage: exec [-cl]  [-a name]  file [redirection ...] 
[01:35] <virnik> make[4] : *** [Assembly.lo]  Error 1
[01:35] <virnik> whats wrong?
[01:37] <jeroenvrp> my keyboard just stops working once in a while
[01:37] <jeroenvrp> when I login as another user or relogin myself, it works agaimn
[01:38] <jeroenvrp> what can be the problem!!!!?
[01:38] <Hobbsee> jeroenvrp: is there a bug already for that?  i'm not sure why it happens, but it happens here too
[01:38] <jeroenvrp> HobHi Hobbsee
[01:38] <Hobbsee> heya
[01:39] <jeroenvrp> oh great, I'm not the only one
[01:39] <jeroenvrp> thats good to hear
[01:39] <jeroenvrp> but also not good to hear
[01:39] <jeroenvrp> Hobbsee: maybe its a kde 3.5.3 problem
[01:40] <jeroenvrp> how do I go back easily to kde 3.5.2
[01:44] <_gary> I can't edit the 'Play DVD with Kaffeine entry on the KDE control module, so that it playsDVd;s with VLC.  Can anyone help?
[01:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> do you have libdvdcss installed?
[01:44] <_gary> yes
[01:45] <augustin> hello, i got a problem with my external hard drive since dapper
[01:45] <_gary> I can play dvds normally but I want kde to launch vlc when i insert a dvd into the dvd drive
[01:45] <augustin> it doesnt auto mount at booting automatically anymore
[01:46] <_gary> at mo it launches kafeine which won't playanything
[01:46] <mitja> Does --prefix=path work with autogen.sh?
[01:46] <augustin> kafeine sucks
[01:46] <chavo> mitja, it should
[01:47] <mitja> chavo: thanks
[01:47] <_gary> augustin: tell me about it
[01:47] <mitja> chavo: you're busy today, aren't you :)
[01:47] <augustin> i will show you the lign in /etc/fstab
[01:47] <chavo> I've been up all night
[01:48] <augustin> basically, when i plug it after the boot it is mounted, but it is not recognised when i plug it before booting
[01:49] <augustin> here is the lign, it is a fat32 hard drive plugged in usb2:
[01:51] <augustin> options of mounting are
[01:51] <augustin> utf8,umask=0,uid=1000,gid=1000,auto,rw,user
[01:54] <augustin> any idea?
[02:04] <kikodelmar> buenas
[02:06] <TheHighChild> 'morning all
[02:07] <jpatrick> TheHighChild: morning
[02:08] <jpatrick> kikodelmar: #kubuntu-es :)
[02:10] <halibut> I installed ubuntu, then got kubuntu-desktop, a lot of the programs (Firefox) are pretty ugly, am I using the ubuntu versions under kubuntu or something?
[02:14] <TheHighChild> halibut: What windowing system are you using currenly? You may want to consider a theme for Firefox, I suggest iFox
[02:16] <halibut> TheHighChild, KDE
[02:16] <halibut> but it looked fine under gnome
[02:16] <halibut> now under KDE firefox looks like a windows 95 program
[02:17] <chavo> halibut, go to Sytem Settings - Appearance - Gtk styles and fonts
[02:17] <TheHighChild> halibut: Without a screenshot, I don't know what you're talking about. I can say that the default theme for Firefox is extremely ugly though
[02:18] <chavo> then set it to Use my KDE style in GTK applications
[02:18] <halibut> chavo, already done
[02:18] <halibut> I just wondered if the Firefox from the ubuntu repos was built differently than the one from kubuntu
[02:18] <chavo> no it's the same thing
[02:18] <jpatrick> haider: nope
[02:19] <haider> jpatrick: what nope? :)
[02:19] <chavo> halibut, did you restart firefox since you did that
[02:19] <halibut> chavo, yup
[02:20] <chavo> halibut, try this stop firefox, then run it from konsole
[02:21] <Hobbsee> halibut: want to give us a screenshot of what you see?
[02:22] <halibut> chavo, nothing written to conlose
[02:22] <halibut> cosole
[02:22] <halibut> console ack
[02:22] <chavo> halibut, but no difference in firefox?
[02:22] <halibut> chavo, firefox looks the same
[02:23] <halibut> I think it is just the black horizontal lines that make it look like windows 95
[02:24] <chavo> halibut, try another gtk app like gedit. does it look the same?
[02:25] <halibut> chavo, yes
[02:29] <byen> can anyone tell me if installing themes etc is easy in kubuntu
[02:32] <Hobbsee> byen: in system settings, appearances - depends what the theme is for, as to which module you want
[02:32] <byen> hey Hobbsee damn you are everywhere
[02:32] <Hobbsee> byen: hehe - not that many places, really...
[02:33] <superdump> hello
[02:33] <byen> is it as simple as drag and drop.. ive used ubu for over a year but never kde
[02:33] <superdump> my hard drives are pretty toasty because of the heat and i'm running kubuntu dapper on a shuttle sn25p (nforce 4 ultra chipset)
[02:34] <superdump> i'm trying to get lm-sensors working to see if i can affect the case fan speeds (i can in windoze)
[02:34] <superdump> running sensors-detect tells me that there are no i2c devices, but the kernel modules are loaded
[02:34] <superdump> has anyone got this working?
[02:35] <lukasz22> hi
[02:39] <visik7> superdump: dapper sensors-detect is bugged (or not well configured)
[02:39] <superdump> ok
[02:39] <visik7> superdump: you need to modprobe your modules by hand
[02:39] <visik7> than sensors works
[02:39] <superdump> the i2c modules are loaded though...
[02:40] <superdump> $ lsmod | grep i2c
[02:40] <superdump> i2c_acpi_ec             5440  1 acpi_sbs
[02:40] <superdump> i2c_nforce2             7360  0
[02:40] <superdump> i2c_core               23168  3 i2c_acpi_ec,nvidia,i2c_nforce2
[02:40] <visik7> I have 3 modules necessary for sensors to work: i2c-sis96x adm1021 and eeprom
[02:41] <superdump> what is adm1021?
[02:41] <visik7> a driver in for the hw monitor
[02:53] <Hobbsee> mth`MAW_: please kill that away message.
[02:54] <Bassetts> how can i view files as root in terminal??
[02:54] <jpatrick> Hobbsee: or should we just kill him..
[02:54] <Hobbsee> jpatrick: that works too
[02:54] <jpatrick> Hobbsee: He's too away to notice
[02:54] <bernier> hi, when i close my computer , it all goes well until it gets to "will now halt". there's the click sound of my comp closing but it doesnt. it simply stays there. O know it has something to do with the nvidia drivers because it's since that day it does that. anyone know how i can fix it?
[02:55] <Bassetts> do i have to enable su?
[02:55] <jpatrick> Bassetts: no
[02:55] <jpatrick> Bassetts: sudo -i
[02:55] <TheHighChild> Bassetts: what do you mean? you can do a sudo ls but I don't know if there is a point
[02:55] <jpatrick> !root
[02:55] <ubotu> Direct login as the root user is disabled in Ubuntu. Look at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo for all information.
[02:55] <Hobbsee> jpatrick: howzat?  :P
[02:55] <Bassetts> i want to be able to view all files in terminal basically
[02:55] <Bassetts> like /home/jason/.icons
[02:55] <jpatrick> Hobbsee: blowed
[02:56] <TheHighChild> Bassetts: 'ls' isn't what you want? try 'ls ~/.icons'
[02:56] <jpatrick> Bassetts: ls -a
[02:56] <Bassetts> ok, just so i know what is ls?? =)
[02:56] <chavo> Bassetts, ls -a
[02:56] <jpatrick> Bassetts: ls = list
[02:57] <Bassetts> thanks, what does the -a variable do?? list all?
[02:57] <jpatrick> Yes...
[02:57] <TheHighChild> Bassetts: There are a lot of options for 'ls' try 'ls -a' and 'ls -l' (a for all, l for in list format) To read more, you can type 'man ls' and read the man pages. Press 'q' to quit the man pages
[02:57] <henrique> alguem fala portugus BR?
[02:57] <jpatrick> see man:/ls in konqueror for details
[02:57] <Bassetts> thanks =) i just like to know what a command does, instead of just using it blindly
[02:58] <TheHighChild> Bassetts: man pages = manual. Most commands should have man pages with details and options for commands. Some man pages are sorely lacking though
[02:58] <Bassetts> ok =)
[02:58] <Bassetts> thankyou
[02:58] <TheHighChild> enjoy ;)
[02:58] <henrique> alguem fala portugus BR?
[02:59] <kronoz> does dapper have any problems using reiserfs?
[02:59] <LeeJunFan> Bassetts: some commands also have info [command] , and/or have docs in /usr/share/doc/[AppName] 
[02:59] <Hobbsee> !po
[02:59] <ubotu> My cat's name is Mittens! Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, Hobbsee
[02:59] <Hobbsee> darn
[02:59] <jpatrick> !pr
[02:59] <ubotu> jpatrick: Some people juggle geese. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[02:59] <TheHighChild> kronoz: From everything I've heard, you cannot install on reiser
[02:59] <jpatrick> !cheese
[02:59] <ubotu> Syntax error in line 1. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, jpatrick
[03:00] <kronoz> TheHighChild: why not?
[03:00] <LeeJunFan> TheHighChild: from everything I've heard you wouldn't want to :p
[03:00] <bernier> hi, when i close my computer , it all goes well until it gets to "will now halt". there's the click sound of my comp closing but it doesnt. it simply stays there. O know it has something to do with the nvidia drivers because it's since that day it does that. anyone know how i can fix it?
[03:01] <henrique> Who knows to install the "QUANTA"?
[03:01] <TheHighChild> kronoz: I have no experience with it, but I've read in this channel a few times that it wasn't supported because of security issues
[03:01] <TheHighChild> henrique: sudo apt-get install quanta
[03:01] <redfoxx> message to the kubuntu.org webmaster: there is a mistake in the faq page: the link to the 'InstallingKde' shoulb point to WIKI.kununtu.org instead of www.kubuntu.org.
[03:02] <henrique> Does not function!
[03:02] <jpatrick> redfoxx: ok got it
[03:03] <redfoxx> jpatrick: thanks
[03:04] <mitja> How do I order dpkt to install to specific destination?
[03:04] <superdump> visik7: i found the mkdev.sh script here http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2780 and it appears to be working now
[03:04] <mitja> *dpkg
[03:04] <visik7> god
[03:05] <visik7> good
[03:05] <henrique> TheHighChild: The package is unavailable!
[03:06] <jpatrick> henrique: enable all the repos?
[03:06] <TheHighChild> henrique: I have it in my repos, just not sure which one. I am looking
[03:06] <Healot> jpatrick: I sense that he adds "multiverse" and "universe" on "dapper-backports"
[03:07] <Healot> many people who use adept got these lately
[03:07] <henrique> TheHighChild: some
[03:07] <jpatrick> apt-cache policy quanta
[03:08] <TheHighChild> jpatrick: nice man, didn't know about that.
[03:09] <Bassetts> where can i get a new usplash? or how do i make one
[03:11] <henrique> TheHighChild: Obtain!  It obliged by the help!
[03:11] <TheHighChild> henrique: You got it? Awesome, thank jpatrick
[03:15] <nuxmedia> hi
[03:15] <nuxmedia> is anyboy awake?
[03:16] <jpatrick> !ask
[03:16] <ubotu> For information on how to ask good questions please see http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html The more information you can give the better we can help you. If your going to give output of commands please use http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[03:17] <Hobbsee> jpatrick: what were you doing under the desk?
[03:17] <nuxmedia> yeap i know, my problem is, i have a NTFS partition in my harddrive, is possible to alow ubuntu linux to writte on it?
[03:17] <TheHighChild> nuxmedia: Yes but it's only experimental
[03:17] <Hobbsee> !ntfs
[03:17] <ubotu> to automatically mount your NTFS partition: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions there is no write support for ntfs that is safe. <!winfstab>
[03:17] <TheHighChild> nice
[03:18] <nuxmedia> i have mounted it... but i can't writte on it
[03:18] <TheHighChild> nuxmedia: The module to write to NTFS is still in development and unsupported. Writing is very slow from my understanding.
[03:18] <jpatrick> Hobbsee: looking for loose change to buy [[Black_Holes_And_Revelations] ] 
[03:19] <Hobbsee> ah ok
[03:19] <jpatrick> not that I've already got it :|
[03:20] <RadiantFire> lookos exciting
[03:24] <mezz> hey. I have a problem. Sometimes when I shutdown Kubuntu KDE seems to go away OK, but after that the screen goes blank and the system hangs. So I'm forced to use the reset button, and then when I reboot I have to do fsck, and then I always an (apparently) random collection of settings files. like my KDE appearance, Amarok settings, Kmail settings and stuff like that. This was happening every shutdown with the dapper beta, but wi
[03:24] <mezz> how I can work out what is going wrong?
[03:25] <Mongey> how do i  move a folder from the desktop
[03:25] <Mongey> drag and drop wont work
[03:25] <mezz> mongey, what are you trying to move? is it just a normal folder?
[03:25] <Mongey> a script for amarok
[03:26] <Mongey> well a folder to the scripts folder
[03:26] <mezz> is it a link to the scripts folder? it should just drag and drop with konqueror
[03:26] <brendan_> hi folks, I did a kubuntu-desktop install using synaptic on ubuntu to convert to kde. All the KDE apps are installed but the computer still runs Gnome as the desktop on boot. The link on the kubuntu.org FAQ page to "InstallingKDE" is broken 404. Any thoughts?
[03:27] <mezz> mongey, you could try the command line command mv to move it and see if it gives any error messages
[03:27] <Mongey> whats the command ?
[03:27] <mezz> mv
[03:27] <mezz> if you type mv --help that will tell you how to use it
[03:27] <mezz> or man mv
[03:28] <mezz> brendan_: do you have a log in screen or does it log in automatically all the way to your gnome desktop?
[03:29] <brendan_> mezz - There was new login screen -  blue KDE
[03:29] <Mongey> got it
[03:29] <Mongey> with sudo
[03:29] <Mongey> it said permission dinied
[03:30] <mezz> Mongey and sudo works? cool :)
[03:30] <Mongey> ye
[03:31] <mezz> brendan_ run systemsettings (either with the console or Alt+F2)
[03:32] <mezz> brendan_ then at the bottom there is a log in manager, you should be able to change the default desktop there
[03:35] <Bassetts> anyone know how to make a usplash
[03:36] <brendan_> mezz, thanks, I'm looking at login manager - i must be blind as i can't see a "default desktop" option - where is it?
[03:37] <mezz> brendan_ yeah, sorry, I just assumed there would be one, but I can't see it either :S
[03:37] <chavo> brendan_, just choose Session type - KDE
[03:38] <chavo> it will remember it for the next login
[03:38] <brendan_> chavo, where?
[03:38] <chavo> brendan_, on the login screen
[03:39] <brendan_> chavo, thanks, will try now
[03:43] <brendan_> chavo - that's it. The login type defaults to (Previous) which of course was Gnome. Someone needs to fix the broken link in the FAQ. Thanks again
[03:47] <grasso> hy
[03:48] <grasso> I have a problem with the installation of kubuntu
[03:48] <grasso> the installation can't go over the contatting mirror  step
[03:49] <grasso> my internet connection is all right, but it seems that couldn't connect the mirrors servers
[03:49] <grasso> anyone can help me, please
[03:49] <grasso> ?
[03:52] <grasso> ciao
[03:52] <weedar> During install I run into the "manual partition"-issue - is there no workaround?
[03:52] <grasso> ciao
[03:53] <helter> grasso, how are you installing ? with dvd?
[03:54] <grasso> with cd
[03:54] <helter> do you have a proxy?
[03:54] <grasso> no
[03:55] <helter> Anyway, when I installed mine I skipped that step and then once I finished my installation I updated my system with apt-get upgrade
[03:56] <helter> so you can just skip it, and when your system is installed configure your internet connection, and then try again. If it still doesnt work it shouldn't be hard to find where the problem is.
[03:56] <grasso> that's grait, how can i do to skip it
[03:56] <grasso> ?
[03:56] <helter> I can't remember, but there's a way definetely. I didn't even have my internet connection set up before I finished installation.
[03:57] <helter> Just click on next
[03:57] <helter> or look for something like that.
[03:57] <grasso> no prompt about the chance of skip this step
[03:57] <helter> are you installing graphically? I mean using the gui?
[03:58] <grasso> yes
[03:58] <helter> are you installing dapper 6.06?
[03:58] <grasso> yes
[03:58] <helter> wait
[03:59] <grasso> yes, thanks
[04:02] <rigonatti> hi all !
[04:03] <rigonatti> is the captive the best options to write in NTFS files
[04:04] <alejandro_> hi
[04:05] <alejandro_> whe I do $ dmesg | grep 'AGP aperture'
[04:05] <alejandro_> i get '[4294687.072000]  agpgart: AGP aperture is 128M @ 0xe0000000'
[04:06] <alejandro_> but my graphic card has 256mb, does that means that it's working only with 128MB?
[04:06] <h3sp4wn> Aperture is them maximum amount of main memory that the graphics card can use
[04:06] <h3sp4wn> (Its not relevant because going to main memory is so slow)
[04:07] <alejandro_> so it's ok?
[04:07] <rigonatti> can anyone give me a hand?
[04:07] <rigonatti> PM801EI1-371501
[04:07] <rigonatti> ops
[04:07] <rigonatti> is the captive the best options to write in NTFS files
[04:08] <Hobbsee> probably
[04:08] <havoc> rigonatti: I *think* it may be the most *reliable* option, if you really need to write to NTFS, but I don't know if it's the best
[04:09] <alejandro_> h3sp4wn: it's ok then that the agp aperture is only 128?
[04:09] <rigonatti> havoc: I dont really want use FAT32 coz...its a waste of space and cluster. ...an slow too.
[04:10] <h3sp4wn> alejando: I have told you what it is, I will leave you to decided whether or not it is "ok"
[04:10] <havoc> rigonatti: I'm going to be trying captive too, I just haven't gotten to it yet
[04:10] <rigonatti> havoc: someone said that will not workt in kubuntu
[04:11] <havoc> rigonatti: I googled for ubuntu+captive and found lots of stuff
[04:11] <havoc> rigonatti: kubuntu is just ubuntu+kde
[04:11] <havoc> rather than gnome
[04:11] <rigonatti> havoc: "but on ubuntu it kept freezing well until now.."
[04:11] <rigonatti> Captive ntfs is a great program that lets you read and write to ntfs(windows) partitons, but on ubuntu it kept freezing well until now...
[04:12] <havoc> ah
[04:12] <LeeJunFan> ubuntu wiki says captive doesn't work with ubuntu. But I think that may just be the init portion of it. I was able to get it to work on mine with a kernel I built, not sure about ubuntu kern.
[04:12] <havoc> rigonatti: you see this: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=10175
[04:12] <rigonatti> btw...should be a slowly solutions
[04:13] <weedar> I have a partition with ext3 and vfat partitions, if I choose it during install will the installer re-partition it or use it as is (just format the ext3 one) ?
[04:13] <rigonatti> so..... the realley best for dual boot solution is :  NTFS to Windows System and FAT 32 to all others files..then i can use in windows or Linux ..right ?
[04:13] <burepe2> I got crazy networking problems. Can someone hold my hand and walk me through it. Here are details, kinda http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=194056
[04:15] <rigonatti> so..... the really best for dual boot solution is :  NTFS to Windows System and FAT 32 to all others files..then i can use in windows or Linux ..right ?
[04:15] <havoc> rigonatti: unfortunately, that's probably it
[04:15] <havoc> rigonatti: for "best" solution, at least the most reliable
[04:17] <neoncode> crimsun_: ah crap.... my sound won't work again....
[04:22] <grasso> hi
[04:23] <rigonatti> hey .....if i install kubuntu ...can I change latter to Gnome ?
[04:23] <Hobbsee> rigonatti: yes, install ubuntu-desktop
[04:24] <rigonatti> Hobbsee: isnt a hard work if i change my mind between Gnome and KDE
[04:24] <rigonatti> I mean...i never used Ubuntu ..so its my firsdt try ...if i Dont like ...can back to KDE withou a reinstall ?
[04:25] <chavo> rigonatti, you just logout of one abd login to the other
[04:32] <SuDo|PaSSwD> #ubuntu-dapper
[04:32] <neoncode> what's the command to restart the sound system?
[04:33] <iNiku> neoncode: um, no such thing, really... what are you trying to do?
[04:34] <neoncode> iNiku: Get my sound to work. It just won't work at all. yet I got it working last night before I went to bed. and now after a reboot it won't work again. It makes no sence
[04:35] <iNiku> neoncode: no sound at all, from any application?
[04:35] <iNiku> what about the KDE system sounds?
[04:37] <neoncode> iNiku: Nothing. Absolutly nothing. I did try cating a sound file to /dev/audio1 and I got a load of static. So I know the sound card is working....
[04:37] <iNiku> and what did you do last night to get it working?
[04:37] <neoncode> iNiku: I don't actualy rember... it was 6:30 AM at the time and I just changed every option I could find untill it worked...
[04:38] <iNiku> even now cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp produces noise?
[04:39] <iNiku> (no idea what /dev/audio1 might be...)
[04:40] <neoncode> lemme check the urandom
[04:40] <iNiku> or actually, I know /dev/audio1 is not what you want to use
[04:40] <neoncode>  /dev/dsp: no such device
[04:40] <jpatrick> iNiku: cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp sounds like rain drops
[04:41] <iNiku> neoncode: okay, how about aplay /dev/urandom then?
[04:41] <neoncode> I ran it against /dev/dsp1 and I got a permision deinged error... Hold on#
[04:41] <iNiku> jpatrick: rain drops?
[04:42] <iNiku> jpatrick: definitely does not here... just white noise
[04:42] <neoncode> aplay: main:544: audio open error: No such file or directory
[04:42] <LjL> well, more like a storm
[04:42] <jpatrick> iNiku: sort of thaat
[04:42] <neoncode> when I cat urandom to /dev/audio1 I get the static...
[04:42] <iNiku> neoncode: okay, cat /proc/asound/cards
[04:43] <weedar> So nobody has a fix to the manual partition issue during install?
[04:43] <neoncode> http://pastebin.ca/64317
[04:43] <neoncode> 0 is my onborad sound... I dunno how to change the default sound device though....
[04:43] <iNiku> jpatrick: white noise is what it is, basically :)
[04:44] <iNiku> neoncode: ah, so which one do you want to use?
[04:44] <neoncode> I thought urandom was just... random...
[04:44] <neoncode> iNiku: The soundcard.
[04:44] <neoncode> onbord sound = yuck
[04:47] <iNiku> neoncode: you should be able to set the default in .asoundrc
[04:48] <iNiku> neoncode: see this page: http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/doc-php/asoundrc.php
[04:48] <iNiku> and the section "the default plugin" in there
[04:48] <neoncode> iNiku: Thanks
[04:48] <iNiku> only in your case, it will be "card 1"
[04:50] <iNiku> or you can set the PCM device in alsa apps as "hw:1,0" or something like that
[04:51] <iNiku> actually, "hw:1"
[04:51] <neoncode> WOOO! It works!! I have sound!!!! yay!!!!!!
[05:00] <slow-motion> hallo
[05:02] <TheHighChild> slow-motion: hello
[05:02] <slow-motion> hi TheHighChild
[05:05] <s1> Hi! I'm completeley new to KDE and installed kubuntu-desktop from GNOME
[05:05] <s1> my ALT-Tab doesn't work when I try to switch windows
[05:06] <s1> is this normal KDE behaviour?
[05:06] <luksan> s1: no
[05:07] <s1> figures
[05:07] <s1> ^^
[05:09] <s1> there aren't any quicklinks besides the menu-button either
[05:09] <TheHighChild> s1: It's changed in the Dapper upgrade, you can change it back
[05:10] <TheHighChild> s1: System Settings > regional & accessibility > Keyboard shortcuts
[05:11] <TheHighChild> s1: Actually, the atl+ tab should work, my ctrl + tab was disabled though on both dapper machines
[05:16] <eddye> anyone here?
[05:17] <squilla> yo
[05:17] <eddye> eddye@eddye-desktop:~/Desktop/boson-all-0.12/code$ make install CMakeLists.txt
[05:17] <eddye> make: *** No rule to make target `install'.  Stop.
[05:17] <eddye> eddye@eddye-desktop:~/Desktop/boson-all-0.12/code$
[05:17] <eddye> can you tell me what to do here?
[05:17] <eddye> im a new user so i don't really understand :S
[05:17] <squilla> sorry to ask - why you compiling from source - it's in the repo's if you're on dapper
[05:18] <nico8481> where do i define the cut&paste keyboards shortcuts? in the klipper properties?
[05:19] <squilla> eddye:but to possibly answer: first type "./configure" then type "make", then type "sudo make install"
[05:19] <squilla> eddye: without the ""s
[05:19] <Adam_eM> hi there
[05:20] <eddye> the problem is when i type configure
[05:20] <eddye> it says that "flax" is missing
[05:20] <s1> TheHighChild: thanks!
[05:20] <s1> it was set to alt-f11
[05:20] <TheHighChild> s1: np
[05:21] <squilla> eddye: do me a favour - open adept or synaptic and search for boson
[05:21] <nico8481> ok, found where
[05:21] <squilla> nico: well done
[05:22] <Adam_eM> i cannot install kubuntu (6.06 rc). When it comes to initializing system services, kde splash disappears and i have blue blank screen with a mouse pointer only. I cannot write in terminal when i do ctrl+alt+Fxx
[05:22] <s1> Can I make a shortcut for konqueror in file manager mode?
[05:22] <bluesceada> hi
[05:22] <bluesceada> what special stuff does the kubuntu dvd include?
[05:22] <bluesceada> why would i prefer it to the cd?
[05:23] <chavo> bluesceada, it has all of main on it
[05:23] <bluesceada> that means?
[05:23] <Adam_eM> is it possible to run kubuntu installer from other distro ?
[05:23] <bluesceada> good for people with a slow connection?
[05:23] <bluesceada> i download it for a guy i know
[05:23] <bluesceada> he tried ubuntu but now would like to also test kde .. (he didnt have linux before..)
[05:23] <squilla> Adam: read /var/log/Xorg.0.log say - look for lines with (EE) in them
[05:23] <chavo> yes it could be useful for that
[05:24] <bluesceada> kubuntu should be as easy to configure grafically, right?
[05:24] <nico8481> any idea why shift+del doesn't work as a "cut" keyboard shortcut? when i use it, whatever i've selected disappears but it's lost forever (shift+ins pastes older content)... ctrl-x/ctrl-v works perfectly, though
[05:24] <bluesceada> okay .. thansk
[05:24] <bluesceada> i download the whole dvd then
[05:24] <chavo> it will install kde by default, but it has a lot of other stuff on it
[05:24] <bluesceada> hm he already has ubuntu
[05:24] <bluesceada> so how can he easily jump over to kubunut
[05:24] <bluesceada> without loosing data...
[05:24] <Adam_eM> squilla i cannot look at any logfile since i cannot write in terminal when i switch to it
[05:25] <bluesceada> and he should still be able to login gnome if he wants
[05:25] <chavo> what version is he running?
[05:25] <bluesceada> the last ubuntu shipit cd...
[05:25] <bluesceada> 5.10 i think
[05:25] <squilla> Adam: erm ... can you boot in rescue mode?
[05:26] <neoncode> !mp3
[05:26] <ubotu> methinks mp3 is a patented format; to enable mp3 capability see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[05:26] <chavo> bluesceada, yeah he can use the dvd to upgrade and the after that he can install kde
[05:26] <bluesceada> hm
[05:26] <bluesceada> kubuntu 6.06 dvd to upgrade his ubuntu 5.10 ?
[05:26] <Adam_eM> squilla do you mean safe graphical mode ? It's the only option i may chose, but it doesn't work as well
[05:27] <steveire> is there a DE available through apt that is smaller than xfce?
[05:27] <squilla> Adam: if it lets you read the log files it'll do nicely
[05:27] <chavo> steveire, you can try fluxbox
[05:27] <bluesceada> steveire: maybe enlightenment
[05:27] <bluesceada> fluxbox i just a wm
[05:28] <chavo> fluxbox has more than just wm
[05:28] <TheHighChild> anyone know of trouble playing cd's with Dapper?
[05:28] <bluesceada> hm .. i didnt try fluxbox for a long time
[05:28] <chavo> it has a menu and a toolbar
[05:28] <bluesceada> hm ok ..
[05:28] <nico8481> anyone has shift+delete / shift+insert working normally ? does shift+insert pastes what has been cut via shift+delete ?
[05:28] <Adam_eM> squilla unfortunately i can't type anything at terminal. Is there a possibility to launch kubuntu installer from other linux distro already installed ?
[05:29] <bluesceada> nico8481: isnt it ctrl and not shift?
[05:29] <nico8481> bluesceada: both are defined: ctrl-x/ctrl-v and shift-delete/shift-insert
[05:30] <bluesceada> oh ok
[05:30] <squilla> Adam: when you reboot is there not an option to boot in recovery/repair/rescue mode?
[05:30] <steveire> I've already installed ubuntu again on a new partition as a server install. I wan't to be able to look at 127.0.0.1 through a browser. If i get fluxbox, will I be able to run that and install firefox or something?
[05:30] <nico8481> bluesceada: does it work on your comp ?
[05:30] <bluesceada> hm i try. . one mom
[05:30] <Adam_eM> squilla i have to check that out... wait a second
[05:30] <bluesceada> but i use gentoo here btw^^
[05:31] <nico8481> heh :)
[05:31] <bluesceada> nico8481: yeh it does work
[05:31] <nico8481> damn
[05:31] <nico8481> here it pastes something else :(
[05:31] <bluesceada> hm
[05:31] <bluesceada> which app
[05:31] <nico8481> what i cut through shift-delete seems to be sent to some blackhole
[05:31] <nico8481> all of them
[05:31] <bluesceada> hm
[05:31] <squilla> steve:fluxbox is very capable - it has launchers for most apps, including firefox
[05:32] <bluesceada> launchers??
[05:32] <nico8481> bluesceada: what do you mean?
[05:32] <bluesceada> wasnt for you
[05:32] <nico8481> oops ok ^^;
[05:32] <squilla> blue: launcher=menu item to click and "launch" program
[05:33] <bluesceada> ah ..
[05:33] <bluesceada> you can just edit that menu
[05:33] <bluesceada> ~/.fluxbox/menu or something like that
[05:33] <squilla> blue: yes - another reason why it's so appreciated
[05:34] <squilla> steve: do you not have lynx or links installed?
[05:35] <steveire> no. what are they?
[05:35] <squilla> steve:or w3m?
[05:35] <steveire> buh?
[05:35] <Chousuke> they're text-mode browsers
[05:35] <squilla> steve: console based browsers - very sexy
[05:35] <squilla> steve: no X required
[05:35] <nico8481> no eyes neither :)
[05:36] <steveire> so they don't show images and the likes then
[05:36] <steveire> I think I have w3m actually
[05:36] <squilla> steve: yes - faster
[05:36] <squilla> steve: give it a go
[05:36] <h3sp4wn> elinks is the best I think (not bothered about images)
[05:37] <h3sp4wn> lynx is irritating because of cookies on alot of sites
[05:37] <steveire> I've opened a terminal, and w3m http://www.google.com
[05:37] <squilla> steve: useless for pr0n of course :-D
[05:37] <steveire> how do I go to a different address now?
[05:38] <steveire> arr, nopr0n
[05:38] <squilla> steve:good
[05:38] <steveire> The reason I want a window manager is so that I can install things on the server and then look at them at 127.0.0.1
[05:39] <steveire> I will need images
[05:39] <steveire> this does look interesting thouh
[05:39] <squilla> steve:man w3m - but obviously you need firefox or some such - install fluxbox or icewm
[05:39] <h3sp4wn> steveire: You can use squid to what you want - fully adding certain sites to the cache
[05:41] <steveire> are you sure, reading its page on wikipedia, I either don't get it or don't agree
[05:42] <burepe2> Anyone know how I can find out the chip set on my network card
[05:42] <burepe2> ?
[05:42] <henry_> LeeJunFan: Is that you?
[05:43] <squilla> burepe2: "lspci | less"
[05:43] <LeeJunFan> Probably :)
[05:43] <LeeJunFan> henry_: this actually henry or steve?
[05:43] <henry_> LeeJunFan: Steve
[05:44] <LeeJunFan> henry_: just getting ready to leave though.
[05:44] <henry_> LeeJunFan: I have  up & runnin on henry's puter.... except Kaffeine will not play sound
[05:44] <ruben> Hello
[05:44] <steveire> now I'm confused. In fact, I think steve and variants are the most common name on the internet
[05:45] <LeeJunFan> henry_: upgraded to dapper or still breezy?
[05:45] <_Adam_eM_> squilla: i havent got any safe mode launch option
[05:45] <henry_> LeeJunFan: Dapper
[05:45] <steveire> That's a bit off topic. I'm going to try fluxbox in a bit
[05:45] <ruben> Does somebody know what's the standard login and pass of CUPS (printing) ???
[05:45] <_Adam_eM_> just "safe graphics mode" but it does the same anyways
[05:45] <henry_> LeeJunFan: if you're leaving maybe someone else will help
[05:46] <squilla> Adam: eep! - do you have a live disk? - you cannot type anything at all right - can you select "single user mode"?
[05:46] <LeeJunFan> henry_: won't play any sound? Try settings->player engine->kaffeine (not gstreamer).
[05:46] <bernier> hi, when i close my computer , it all goes well until it gets to "will now halt". there's the click sound of my comp closing but it doesnt. it simply stays there. O know it has something to do with the nvidia drivers because it's since that day it does that. anyone know how i can fix it?
[05:46] <LeeJunFan> henry_: it may still be trying to use gstreamer since that was the default in breezy but dapper uses xine.
[05:47] <_Adam_eM_> squilla i havent got such option in boot menu
[05:48] <ubuntu> hi all
[05:48] <squilla> Adam - I'm sorry I can't help
[05:48] <ubuntu> having a problem with the partitin manager in kubuntu while trying to go from a running LiveCD toan install. Is this a good place to get help?
[05:49] <LeeJunFan> henry_: also - if it is using xine remember mp3's won't play untill libxine-extracodecs is installed.
[05:49] <bernier> what is the konsole command to remove a file or folder?
[05:50] <lunitik> rm (-r)
[05:50] <henry_> LeeJunFan: ok how do I install that?
[05:50] <_Adam_eM_> bernier rm
[05:50] <bernier> thanks
[05:50] <lunitik> bernier: the -r is required to remove folders
[05:50] <bernier> and to remove a directory?
[05:50] <bernier> ha thanks ;)
[05:50] <LeeJunFan> henry_: first you have to enable the multiverse and universe repositories.
[05:50] <ruben> Does somebody know what's the standard login and pass of CUPS (printing) ???
[05:50] <LeeJunFan> ubotu: tell henry_ about repos
[05:52] <squilla> ruben:? - is it not your own password? what are you up to?
[05:52] <steveire> I'm confused. Is there a difference between a window manager and a desktop environment? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Free_desktop_environments http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Free_window_managers
[05:52] <squilla> steveire: yes but it's blurry you can swim in it
[05:53] <LeeJunFan> steveire: technically, a window manager draws decorations around your windows and controls movement, resizing, etc...
[05:53] <steveire> I thought I'd have to install a DE like KDE (but smaller), and you recommend a window manager.
[05:53] <LeeJunFan> steveire: a window manager by itself doesn't give you much to work with.
[05:53] <TheHighChild> steveire: Window manager is the base (i.e KDE, GNOME). Desktop enviros are the windowin system plus this accompanying packages. (i.e kate for kde. nautilus for Gnome)
[05:53] <Marrs> a window manager is part of a desktop environment
[05:53] <squilla> steve: oh ye of little faith ... :-)
[05:54] <steveire> :), no just want to know exactly what I'm doing. cheers
[05:54] <ruben> no
[05:54] <ruben> it don't work
[05:54] <squilla> steveire: just teasing
[05:55] <ruben> i can't login with my root logins
[05:55] <steveire> I'm pretty sure I get you now. I may be talking to you through fluxbox in a few mins...
[05:55] <squilla> ruben: what are you trying to do? You on kubuntu/ubuntu? there's no root logon - use "sudo <your password>"
[05:55] <squilla> steveire: cool
[05:56] <ruben> kubuntu
[05:56] <ruben> i want add my printer
[05:56] <steveire> once i aptitude install it, will it load automatically when I boot? will I have to run fluxbox or something to start it?
[05:57] <LeeJunFan> ruben: you can log in as root to cups if you set a root password on your system, but you also need to add user cupsys to group shadow
[05:57] <LeeJunFan> owell, gotta run - later.
[05:57] <ruben> i have a root passwoord
[05:57] <squilla> steveire: it will install X-server etc.
[05:57] <ruben> is it the linux root password ?
[05:58] <steveire> so, automatic?
[05:58] <LeeJunFan> ruben: add cupsys to group shadow
[05:58] <ruben> ? how must i do that ?
[05:58] <squilla> steveire: if no graphical login manager loads then login at the console and type "startx"
[05:58] <LeeJunFan> ruben: man gpasswd
[05:58] <LeeJunFan> ruben: sudo gpasswd -a cupsys shadow
[05:59] <steveire> grand. later...
[06:00] <ruben> user add to group shadow .
[06:00] <ruben> and now ?
[06:00] <wrede> How do I get easyubuntu to work. I can't accept the java licencse
[06:00] <ruben> user cupsys
[06:02] <ruben> ?
[06:03] <henry_> LeeJunFan: Ok I've enabled those... now get update???
[06:03] <LeeJunFan> henry_: update repos, then install libxine-extracodecs
[06:04] <LeeJunFan> henry_: gotta run, taking kids out fishing. ttyl.
[06:04] <henry_> LeeJunFan:should I use apt-get update?
[06:04] <LeeJunFan> henry_: you can do it from adept fine.
[06:05] <henry_> LeeJunFan: Have fun fishing.... catch lots
[06:05] <blackflag> Hello all
[06:05] <Cayou> Hello guys, I have a Prescott CPU, which in MS Windows shows up as two CPUs. I can only see one in Kubuntu.. any ideas?
[06:06] <Bazzi> Cayou: is the smp kernel active?
[06:06] <blackflag> I want to change hdds from one machine to another
[06:06] <blackflag> what is the bst way to do it?
[06:06] <Cayou> Bazzi: ehm... how do I find out?
[06:06] <Bazzi> uname -a or uname -r in the console
[06:07] <Bazzi> if you find a "smp" in there everything is alrighty
[06:07] <blackflag> I just take the hadd from machine one and put it into machine 2
[06:07] <Cayou> Bazzi: no smp...
[06:07] <Bazzi> mmmh
[06:07] <blackflag> when I boot now I get the grub error 18
[06:07] <Cayou> I get this: Linux steve-desktop 2.6.15-23-386 #1 PREEMPT Tue May 23 13:49:40 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux
[06:07] <blackflag> Is there a way to change the hardware?
[06:08] <Bazzi> it is questionable anyways whether or not hyperthreading works well.
[06:08] <Bazzi> so I wouldn't be sad over it not working
[06:08] <Cayou> ok
[06:08] <dr_willis> blackflag,  ive done that befor,, with very few problems.. but you may need to reconfigure the video cards
[06:09] <kbrooks> OK
[06:09] <Bazzi> OK?
[06:10] <lamppa> Hi! I just installed kubuntu when my ubuntu broke.. And I noticed that I cant install synaptic from some crappy kde packet program?
[06:11] <kosh> kde packet program?
[06:11] <h3sp4wn> packet is german for package I think
[06:11] <kosh> also you are far more likely to get help if you don't call stuff crappy
[06:12] <lamppa> Adept?
[06:12] <drbreen> hello i have a problem with cups
[06:12] <kosh> ah adept is a package manager
[06:12] <lamppa> Yea it is..
[06:12] <drbreen> i did a dist-upgrade and now i cannot print no more
[06:12] <drbreen> can some1 help me ?
[06:13] <kosh> hmm I have synaptic and adept installed they don't conflict with each other
[06:13] <lunitik> lamppa: does it tell why you can't install it?
[06:13] <steveire> I installed fluxbox, but when I typed startx, I got unknown command
[06:13] <lamppa> But its basic rep dont got synaptic and its recruited packages?
[06:13] <kosh> lamppa: can you just do sudo apt-get install synaptic
[06:13] <lunitik> lamppa: not to mention, why would you want synaptic in a KDE environment? its crappy enough when using a GTK DE
[06:14] <lamppa> I have just used to it ^
[06:14] <lunitik> there is a reason aptitude is installed by default
[06:14] <steveire> I've just realised that I could probably have used irssi to come in here...
[06:14] <lunitik> kosh: umm... it is
[06:15] <lunitik> drbreen: CUPS is broken on Dapper... go bitch at the devs
[06:15] <kosh> steveire: sudo apt-get install x-window-system-core
[06:15] <lamppa> Umm I got some error messages but they are in finnish....
[06:15] <lunitik> kosh: aptitude!
[06:15] <dr_willis> drbreen,  cups has some issues sadly. im not sure what to tell ya.. i got mine going by nstalling several of the foomatic printer drivers and using the webinterface
[06:15] <kosh> drbreen: sorry I have no idea on that I have not used a printer in years
[06:15] <lunitik> lamppa: you know finnish right? translate for us
[06:15] <drbreen> is there a workaround ?
[06:15] <kosh> lunitik: why do you like aptitude over just typing that command?
[06:15] <steveire> ok, I'll do that so. Failing that, might there be anything else?
[06:16] <dr_willis> http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/2072   some info on CUPS
[06:16] <lamppa> Yes I know but there is lots of it xD
[06:16] <steveire> i like aptitude too
[06:16] <drbreen> can i use the GNOME counterpart for example... ?
[06:16] <lunitik> kosh: its more intelligent... aptitude is like apt-get-ng
[06:16] <kosh> steveire: there could probably be many other things but that is a very good start but I don't like to guess about what else could be wrong without knowing the answer to that question
[06:16] <lamppa> It complains that some of needed packets cant be installed for some reason xD
[06:17] <kosh> give the exact error message is useful
[06:17] <kosh> without that there is no way to help
[06:17] <steveire> ok.
[06:17] <lunitik> lamppa: aptitude will attempt to correct conflicts etc... might be more enlightening
[06:17] <exhale> whats the diff between apt-get and aptitute?
[06:17] <lunitik> kosh: the exact error message is in finnish... you know finnish?
[06:17] <dr_willis> when in doubt use apitutude its smarter. :P
[06:17] <lamppa> Yea right?
[06:18] <kosh> apt-get does exactly what you tell it and only the minimum necessary to do what you told it
[06:18] <lunitik> exhale: aptitude is more intelligent... more conflict resolution smarts... just better in general
[06:18] <kosh> that is why I like it
[06:18] <exhale> so i should use aptitute instead?
[06:18] <lamppa> It says that those depencies cant be installed...
[06:18] <steveire> and if you want to uninstall things, aptitude will get rid of things you don't need anymore
[06:18] <kosh> lunitik: well maybe he could translate it to english, but an unknown error has occurred is darn close to useful for debugging
[06:18] <lunitik> exhale: I'd advise yes... apt-get is about 10 year old technology.
[06:18] <steveire> laters (hopefully)
[06:19] <lamppa> It says that those depencies cant be installed...
[06:19] <Chousuke> lamppa: you can run a program with LC_ALL=C <command here> to get English error messages temporarily.
[06:19] <Chousuke> like LC_ALL=C apt-get update
[06:19] <lamppa> kk thx
[06:20] <drbreen> dr_willis: that sounds bad. is there any chance i can install the printer another way ?
[06:20] <Cholito> let's hope WoW won't give any troubles while installing hehe
[06:21] <lamppa> Reading package lists... Done
[06:21] <dr_willis> drbreen,  not sure.. the more i google obn cups and ubuntu/dapper the more people having probmes i find
[06:21] <lamppa> Building dependency tree... Done
[06:21] <lamppa> Correcting dependencies... failed.
[06:21] <lamppa> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[06:21] <lamppa>   libc6: Depends: tzdata but it is not installable
[06:21] <lamppa>   libc6-i686: PreDepends: libc6 (= 2.3.6-0ubuntu20) but 2.3.6-15 is installed
[06:21] <lamppa>   synaptic: Depends: libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.0) but 1:4.0.3-1ubuntu5 is installed
[06:21] <lamppa>             Depends: libglade2-0 (>= 1:2.5.1) but it is not installable
[06:21] <lamppa>             Depends: libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.8.0) but it is not installable
[06:21] <lamppa>             Depends: libpango1.0-0 (>= 1.12.1) but it is not installable
[06:21] <lamppa>             Depends: libstdc++6 (>= 4.1.0) but 4.0.3-1ubuntu5 is installed
[06:21] <lamppa>             Depends: libvte4 (>= 1:0.11.11) but it is not installable
[06:21] <lamppa> E: Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be caused by held packages.
[06:21] <lamppa> E: Unable to correct dependencies
[06:22] <defrysk> !paste
[06:22] <ubotu> Please do not flood the channel http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/ for pasting long texts it does not disrupt the channel. [webboard for Ubuntu: http://www.gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=1269 : not an offical package] .
[06:22] <lamppa> Here you go.
[06:22] <lunitik> lamppa: aptitude install tzdata .... why does it say it can't install?
[06:23] <lunitik> lamppa: is this supposed to be an edgy install?
[06:23] <lamppa> Unable to resolve dependencies!  Giving up...
[06:23] <DrNickRiviera> i seem to get an error message everytime i use ark to extract something
[06:23] <lunitik> lamppa: add dapper back, edgy hasn't seen many big merges yet, and thus is mostly useless
[06:23] <DrNickRiviera> but all the files are extracted fine as far as i can tell
[06:23] <DrNickRiviera> am using dapper at the moment and had the same problem with the dapper beta
[06:23] <DrNickRiviera> anyone got an idea what might be causing this?
[06:24] <lunitik> DrNickRiviera: what does the error message say?
[06:24] <lamppa> Lunitik what?
[06:24] <DrNickRiviera> the log lists a lot of the files and says that they can't be found in the archive
[06:25] <lunitik> lamppa: gcc 4.1 afaik is an edgy thing...
[06:25] <h3sp4wn> lamppa: Are you trying to run ubuntu edgy eft ?
[06:25] <lamppa> edgy?
[06:25] <lamppa> Nah
[06:25] <lamppa> Dapper
[06:25] <lunitik> gcc in dapper is 4.0.x
[06:25] <h3sp4wn> check /etc/apt/sources.list check that it definately says dapper not edgy
[06:26] <lunitik> although libc in edgy is 2.4... so idgi
[06:27] <lamppa> In sources.list everyting is dapper dapper...
[06:27] <DrNickRiviera> yeah, it's definitely extracting the files fine, just giving me this annoying error message
[06:27] <drbreen> dr_willis: are there other packages i can use instead oder can i just use gnome-cups-manager ?
[06:28] <lunitik> cups is b0rked in dapper
[06:28] <dr_willis> drbreen,  i know of 3 ways to add printers to cups.. the web interface, the gnome interface, and kdes interface..
[06:28] <dr_willis> oh and the command line interface..,
[06:29] <drbreen> dr_willis: if i use t3h gnome interface, can i print then ?
[06:29] <lamppa> I might found solution... :)
[06:29] <dr_willis> the interfaces all do the EXACT same thing., :P
[06:29] <dr_willis> use any of them . they just configure the cups system
[06:29] <lamppa> My reps maybe messed xD
[06:30] <lamppa> ya right xD
[06:30] <steveire> hu
[06:30] <steveire> hi
[06:30] <drbreen> dr_willis: and can i print then from kde apps ? or is that somehow b0rk3d too ?
[06:31] <steveire> eh, I'm using irssi at the moment because I can't really get fluxbox working properly
[06:31] <dr_willis> once ya get the printers configured in any of the tools.. it should work for the system
[06:31] <lamppa> What was command to remove synaptic?
[06:31] <h3sp4wn> sudo aptitude purge synaptic
[06:32] <steveire> When I right click on the desktop, a menu appears, and when I select any app, nothing happens but the menu disappears
[06:33] <dr_willis> steveire,  you may want to start fluxbox with 'startx' and by editing the .xinitrc, that way you can see any error messages. (or there may be some in your home dir allready in some log files)
[06:34] <uniq> steveire: error messages would be in ~/.xsession-errors
[06:34] <exhale> does anyone here us an nforce4 motherboard?
[06:38] <lamppa> How I can get broken synaptic removed?
[06:38] <steveire> cat .xsession-errors returns a lot
[06:38] <lamppa> It just complains that commit would break packages?
[06:39] <steveire> clicking in fluxbox works to change theme and tings like that. It just won't start any apps
[06:39] <lamppa> How I can get broken synaptic removed?
[06:39] <lamppa> It just complains that commit would break packages?
[06:41] <lamppa> I cant install anyting with adept manager :/
[06:41] <lamppa> I maybe just install this crap again..
[06:44] <james_xxx> steveire: are you trying to use fluxbox with ubuntu?
[06:44] <steveire> yes
[06:44] <james_xxx> steveire: but after you install it, it won't let you load programs?
[06:45] <steveire> I made a new partition, did a server install, and I am now trying to get a very lightweight window manager (I think)
[06:45] <steveire> that's right james_xxx
[06:45] <steveire> have you encountered this before?
[06:45] <james_xxx> steveire: is there a reason you would not just use xubuntu?
[06:46] <james_xxx> steveire: no, but i have thought about doing what you are doing
[06:46] <steveire> All I want on this partition is a LAMP system that I can open a browser on and access localhost
[06:47] <steveire> xubuntu-desktop would be overkill i think, but I may consider trying to install xfce or something if I can't make this work
[06:50] <steveire> I'll install icewm actually, and see if that helps
[06:50] <Kadran> hi i have problem with mid files, it tells me 'Could not open /dev/sequencer' any help?
[06:51] <Pussycat> hi guys
[06:52] <bernier> hi, when i close my computer , it all goes well until it gets to "will now halt". there's the click sound of my comp closing but it doesnt. it simply stays there. O know it has something to do with the nvidia drivers because it's since that day it does that. anyone know how i can fix it?
[06:52] <Pussycat> can somebody tell me if its possible to install kubuntu via ssh?
[06:53] <uniq> pussycat: like getting the files from sftp or moving from another linux system to debian without physical access to the computer?
[06:54] <Pussycat> no like the guy inserts the alternate install cd, and I log myself in to this system and install it to that pc
[06:55] <uniq> might be possible, don't know.
[06:55] <Pussycat> hmm, ok
[06:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> Pussycat, the debian installer supports it - sort of. i'm not sure if you can get ubuntu's instller to though
[06:55] <kkathman> Kamping_Kaiser:  :)
[06:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> hey kkathman :)
[06:55] <kkathman> howdy :)
[06:55] <Pussycat> ok, thank yu guys
[06:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> np Pussycat
[06:56] <Pussycat> I will test it (maybe)
[06:56] <Pussycat> cya
[06:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> kkathman, yeh, at work early am after setting stuff up. i just dont want to get off my but now :)
[06:56] <tomH3> i want to stop some startup program, how can i stop?
[06:57] <tomH3> im new to kubuntu.
[06:57] <steveire> I'm having the same issue with icewm. I'll reboot and see what happens
[06:59] <kkathman> Kamping_Kaiser:  I see.. yah Im doing some backups here, getting ready to re-install my other linux box to get a clean start
[06:59] <kkathman> Kamping_Kaiser: well not my "other" linux box, but the other installation on this same linux box :)
[06:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> heh. backups... just finished puting them back into place
[07:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[07:00] <steveire> Maybe I have to configure X somehow?
[07:00] <kkathman> I have alot of music/graphics/videos for my webwork, and its a pain to move :)
[07:00] <rigonatti> can anyone help me with a dual boot ?
[07:00] <serenity> hi all
[07:01] <kkathman> rigonatti:  what do you want to dual boot?
[07:01] <Snake> Can anyone help me with kopete
[07:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> kkathman, this was all data from a multi user system, getting moved around and back again, after counting time for mapping UIDs to real (existing) users new ids it took a while
[07:01] <kkathman> Kamping_Kaiser:  I can imagine it would :)
[07:01] <serenity> has anyone updated firefox in the last 2-3 days? Since this update ff gets really crapy. Who else?
[07:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[07:01] <kkathman> Snake:  what possible help could you need? hheh
[07:02] <Snake> I try to have a jabber confrence, and when I hit send, it closes the window
[07:02] <rigonatti> kkathman
[07:02] <Snake> then it pops back up when someone else in the confrence sends a message
[07:02] <kkathman> Snake: could just be the normal thing with kopete...its buggy
[07:02] <kkathman> its always been buggy
[07:02] <rigonatti> I have a Windows XP instalation works fine ...
[07:02] <Snake> Heh
[07:02] <Snake> Id prefer no to resort to gaim
[07:03] <Snake> not*
[07:03] <Snake> but i will till I get an answer :)
[07:03] <kkathman> Snake:  yah well
[07:03] <kkathman> Snake:  are you on 11 or 12
[07:03] <rigonatti> so .. i put the kubuntu install.... create the partitions ...format...set to / ...then restart the pc...
[07:03] <Snake> kkathman: 12
[07:03] <rigonatti> but...the system dont show me a option to dual boot...just go directly to Windows
[07:07] <Dasnipa`> rigonatti, did you change your boot flag to your linux drive?
[07:08] <Dasnipa`> that is where the bootloader would be installed
[07:09] <Snake> kkathman: you were right
[07:09] <Snake> its a buggy
[07:09] <kkathman> hehe
[07:09] <kkathman> imagine my surprise
[07:10] <maz3r> hi people, I would like to know if those who managed the setup the xgl server could link me to a good howto setting up xgl on kubuntu dapper; i have already tried a few tutorials, but none have worked for the moment, i keep getting kde to freeze on a blue screen when opening a new session; here is one of the Howto i've followed: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=845077 ; i've looked at the syslog and the kdm.log and could only find li
[07:10] <maz3r> ttle errors concerning the keyboard or the fonts.
[07:10] <Snake> :)
[07:10] <maz3r> any help would be appreciated :)
[07:11] <TheHighChild> !xgl
[07:11] <ubotu> XGL on Ubuntu: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CompositeManager - Join #ubuntu-xgl for all the XGL fun on Ubuntu systems.  Pretty videos on http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease/  See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[07:12] <kkathman> Snake:  That app has maybe been one of the poorest quality applications in the kde family traditionally
[07:12] <rigonatti> Dasnipa...what do u mean ?
[07:12] <Snake> Heh
[07:12] <maz3r> well thx TheHighChild i'll log there
[07:12] <kkathman> Its why most everyone uses something else (usu Gaim)
[07:12] <TheHighChild> hope it helps maz3r
[07:13] <Trae> anyone know why I don't get an event hint with gaim under KDE like I do on GNOME?
[07:13] <rigonatti> can anyone help me with a dual boot ?
[07:13] <TheHighChild> kkathman: I use Gaim because I hate the icons in Kopete
[07:13] <TheHighChild> rigonatti: What are you trying to do?
[07:13] <rigonatti> TheHighChild:  I have a Windows XP instalation works fine ...
[07:14] <rigonatti> TheHighChild:  so .. i put the kubuntu install.... create the partitions ...format...set to / ...then restart the pc...
[07:14] <rigonatti> TheHighChild: but...the system dont show me a option to dual boot...just go directly to Windows
[07:14] <Bazzi> rigonatti: multiple harddisks?
[07:14] <kkathman> TheHighChild:  Sounds as if no grub was written
[07:14] <TheHighChild> rigonatti: have you installed Kubuntu or just used the Live boot?
[07:14] <kkathman> otherwise Windows wouldnt have the MBR
[07:14] <rigonatti> yeah...but the Windows and Linux are in the same SATA drive...but diferent partitions
[07:15] <rigonatti> TheHighChild:  the 6.06 Install CD runs a Live Session with a Desktop Icon: Isntall...
[07:15] <rigonatti> then u click and start a fresh instalation
[07:15] <TheHighChild> rigonatti: Yeah and have you gone through the install?
[07:15] <rigonatti> Yep!
[07:17] <rigonatti> ?
[07:17] <TheHighChild> rigonatti: One sec, I am googling. Not sure off hand
[07:17] <rigonatti> ok
[07:17] <rigonatti> txs TheHIghChild
[07:18] <rigonatti> just a blink:  In the Breeze version ..the install prompt a GRUB Loader options that show the others OS system ...then works fine.
[07:21] <psychiccyberfrea> hey can anyone help me with a wireless problem
[07:22] <TheHighChild> rigonatti: Sorry man. i am not too sure what your problem could be. You can always try reinstalling grub
[07:23] <rigonatti> TheHighChild: I had...for 3 times.
[07:23] <TheHighChild> rigonatti: You could use the live boot cd and do 'grub-install /dev/hdxx' '/dev/hdxx' being the partition you want to install it on
[07:23] <rigonatti> Dasnipa told me to set the boot flag
[07:23] <TheHighChild> rigonatti: I'd keep asking around here. There are a lot of real smart people (sorry i am not one of them) or I suggest posting on ubuntuforums.org
[07:24] <psychiccyberfrea> hey can anyone help me with a wireless problem
[07:24] <shredder81> I am kind of new to linux, I just downloaded sane-backends-1.0.17, How do I install it??
[07:24] <rigonatti> dont worry TheHighChild !! Txs for the help
[07:25] <TheHighChild> rigonatti: np man, good luck!
[07:25] <Snake> shredder81: where did you download from?
[07:25] <shredder81> http://www.sane-project.org
[07:26] <Snake> shredder81: you dont need to go to website to get programs, there is a program called adept with nearly 20,000 programs that you can install right off that.
[07:27] <Snake> shredder81: see Kmenu -> System --> adept
[07:27] <Snake> if I remeber right
[07:27] <kkathman> well some programs arent in the repos tho Snake
[07:27] <kkathman> like Opera
[07:27] <Snake> kkathman: nope, but sane is
[07:27] <kkathman> and some people want recent versions too :)
[07:27] <Snake> kkathman: go ahead and help this guy out with sources then, I got to run
[07:27] <Snake> Gonna play putput
[07:27] <Snake> :D
[07:27] <kkathman> !sources
[07:27] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource.
[07:27] <Snake> kkathman: I ment building :P
[07:31] <steveire> if anyone was following, I installed xfce and thunar from aptitude, so it is now working. I think maybe if I installed thunar before, I could have had icewm or fluxbox working...
[07:31] <psychiccyberfrea> hey ndiswrapper stopped working for me after I upgraded to dapper what should I do?
[07:36] <noel> hi! does kopete 0.12 will be in dapper-backport?
[07:37] <rlj> i am about to install a fresh kubuntu (+gnome packages as well i think) system on an amd64 laptop. are there many packages not functioning for amd64 still or other problems with the arch, or are the benefits of running native 64bit too small for it to be wise to install a amd64 kubuntu (and not the x86)?
[07:40] <rigonatti> hi all...
[07:41] <psychiccyberfrea> hey ndiswrapper stopped working for me after I upgraded to dapper what should I do?
[07:41] <rigonatti> Its a good thing install  the Breezy then update to dapper ?
[07:42] <psychiccyberfrea> it's reccomended that you do a clean install of dapper it takes less time ;)
[07:42] <rigonatti> psychiccy...... should be ...but the Dapper isntall...dont make a dual boot naturally like Breezy
[07:42] <psychiccyberfrea> once you get breezy packages on there you have to dump those and fetch the new ones off the internet
[07:43] <psychiccyberfrea> it does it with the package manager easy but it still takes about 5 hours
[07:43] <psychiccyberfrea> (with high speed DSL)
[07:43] <rigonatti> i think that its my only option since Dapper dont make a Dual Boot like Breezy
[07:44] <Rainier> hello everyone
[07:44] <Rainier> time for a question?
[07:44] <rigonatti> so.... what i need to do ? just install and then change my source.list to dapper ?
[07:45] <Rainier> i got a problem with some 3d games
[07:45] <Rainier> resolution doesn't change back to normal
[07:47] <h3sp4wn> psychicvyberfrea: Are you using broadcom wireless (if so look at the bcm43xx page in the wiki)
[07:50] <neoXite> hi, is there a trick to getting a microphone to work in dapper?
[07:50] <neoXite> i am an alsa noob by i checked and nothing seems muted
[07:51] <psychiccyberfrea> I'm having a problem with ndiswrapper after I upgraded to dapper what should I do?
[07:57] <DjDarkman> hy what is tha path to qt?
[07:57] <DjDarkman> i nedd to compile something
[07:57] <lunitik> psychiccyberfrea: umm... fix it?
[07:59] <psychiccyberfrea> yeah how?
[07:59] <lunitik> DjDarkman: you need to install libqt3-mt-dev
[07:59] <Univers> please help me - just instaled Ubuntu 6.06 on my Toshiba laptop and is asking me for user pass login - but i didn't set any during install
[07:59] <DjDarkman> yes but then what will be the path to qt?
[07:59] <lunitik> psychiccyberfrea: you have to reinstall the driver if you upgraded ndiswrapper
[08:00] <psychiccyberfrea> it appears when I do ndiswrapper -l though
[08:00] <lunitik> Univers: how you manage to install without setting a username and password?
[08:00] <psychiccyberfrea> sounds like a bad disk unibers
[08:00] <lunitik> psychiccyberfrea: obviously its not working though......
[08:00] <Univers> the install process didn't ask me 2 set any
[08:00] <psychiccyberfrea> it sees the device but the hardware is not working
[08:00] <psychiccyberfrea> weird
[08:01] <DjDarkman> Univers: i need to specify the path to qt when compileing a program ,what should i write there ,btw i already have the qt dev files
[08:01] <Univers> and now i have the login screen with no user and no pass to input
[08:01] <psychiccyberfrea> yeah univers try shipit if you have a bad CD
[08:01] <lunitik> DjDarkman: dpkg -L libqt3-mt-dev
[08:01] <DjDarkman> thanks lunitik
[08:02] <Univers> damn ...is was new ...ufff
[08:02] <Univers> thx anyway
[08:03] <psychiccyberfrea> lunitik: can you help me?
[08:09] <TheHighChild> psych: Have you checked the forums?
[08:10] <henry_> Can anyone help?  I have no sound from Kaffiene!
[08:11] <h3sp4wn> henry_: enable multiverse and install libxine-extracodecs (it can be done from adept)
[08:12] <henry_> h3sp4wn: I've done that
[08:13] <sikor_sxe> when i use klaptop to do suspend to ram my ndiswrapper driven wlan card sometimes won't work after wake up anymore
[08:13] <psych> yeah somebody had a similar prob but they didn't reply
[08:14] <sikor_sxe> i think i remember there was a way to make certain modules unload before suspend and load again after wakeup
[08:14] <sikor_sxe> but i don't remember where those modules could be entered
[08:15] <psych> TheHighChild: yeah somebody had a similar prob but they didn't reply
[08:18] <SalsaDoom> Hi fellas. I'm using 6.06, and I'm have a spot of trouble /w my digital camera. It is auto detected, and gphoto2 can use it.. but konqueror just says "Bad parameters" when I click on it
[08:18] <SalsaDoom> having, rather.
[08:24] <sdolnack> how do i listen to WMA samples on amazon
[08:33] <Midspeed> hi everyone, i have a question, does anybody know of any video recording program that works with webcams???
[08:34] <Kadran> sdolnack: use kmplayer
[08:35] <Kadran> sdolnack: and install windows codecs
[08:35] <sdolnack> kmplayer or mplayer?
[08:36] <Kadran> both are the same
[08:36] <noel> Hi guys, when does the kopete 0.12 will be available on dapper-backport? :)
[08:36] <Kadran> but make sure that you installed the codecs
[08:36] <Midspeed> hi everyone, i have a question, does anybody know of any video recording program that works with webcams???
[08:36] <sdolnack> so what should i install in adept?
[08:36] <sdolnack> mplayer or kmplayer?
[08:36] <Kadran> noel: no
[08:37] <Kadran> sdolnack: sudo apt-get install w32codecs
[08:37] <sdolnack> and then what are the mplayer-686 dummy packages?
[08:37] <Kadran> noel: i have done it from the source code
[08:38] <sdolnack> so what is the diff between installing kmplayer and installing mplayer
[08:38] <sdolnack> and installing mplayer-686
[08:38] <Kadran> sdolnack: that means it is a pakage used just to make install for other pakages but it don't have any thing it self
[08:38] <noel> I tried to install the kopete from the source package, but I encounter problems on dependencies, I post it on ubuntuforums, (http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=194477)
[08:38] <Kadran> kmplayer is a front end for mplayer
[08:39] <Kadran> noel: i have used kompile and it was preety easy
[08:39] <noel> i tried kompile is application?
[08:39] <noel> i should installed it? will try that 1.
[08:39] <noel> :D
[08:40] <Kadran> good luck
[08:40] <noel> thanks
[08:40] <noel> do i have to remove my older kopete (0.11.3)?
[08:41] <Kadran> no
[08:41] <noel> thanks :D
[08:41] <Kadran> sdolnack: 'sudo apt-get install kmplayer-konq-plugins w32codecs'
[08:41] <Kadran> noel: you are welcome
[08:42] <Kadran> sdolnack: this comand should solve it all
[08:42] <noel> :)
[08:42] <andrzejsz> hi, i've just started fighting with kubuntu 6. Has anybody any idea why suspend-to-ram on HP-Compaq nx9105 is unidirectional (i mean - it goes to sleep very nice, but it doesn't want to get up)...
[08:43] <Kadran> noel: if you hate the complie ... you can use kopete 0.12 beta1 they are the same
[08:43] <Kadran> noel: and they have a kubuntu pakage for it
[08:43] <noel> hmm i know this is not the right channel to ask... but I would like to get a comment from you guys. I am currently wanting to learn how to program applications which language is better C/C++ or Python?
[08:43] <noel> oh okay!  thanks Kadran...
[08:43] <bluesceada> noel: "better" in what term
[08:44] <bluesceada> ah ..
[08:44] <bluesceada> python is scripting, slower, not suitable for all terms
[08:44] <noel> bluesceada: better in term of power
[08:44] <bluesceada> easier
[08:44] <noel> corss platform
[08:44] <bluesceada> noel: of course c/c++
[08:44] <bluesceada> ah cross platform..
[08:44] <bluesceada> then it's python
[08:45] <andrzejsz> i would suggest starting with ANSI C :)
[08:45] <Kadran> noel: try to learn qt programming with c++
[08:46] <noel> okay thanks guys... :)
[08:46] <Kadran> np
[08:47] <noel> I just bought a book of C Programing by Larry Ullman and Marc Liyanage (peachpit press)
[08:47] <noel> and just done printing the Dive into python :)
[08:47] <Kadran> i never bought a programming book :)
[08:48] <andrzejsz> which of this books is heavier? :)
[08:48] <noel> whoa! how'd you learn programming?
[08:48] <ColonelPanic001> Hello.
[08:48] <noel> I am having a hard time reading on monitor
[08:48] <Kadran> they are all exist in softcopy from the internet
[08:48] <noel> okay :)
[08:49] <noel> so you'd suggest to go with C/C++? :) compared to other one? (in your opinion)
[08:49] <Kadran> you print what you like and delete the other
[08:50] <noel> hahaha i printed the whole book hehehe i took me 1 1/2 to finish it.
[08:50] <andrzejsz> IMHO C is better to start - as many language's grammar is based on it.
[08:50] <Kronoz> C++ even better :p
[08:50] <andrzejsz> i'm purist
[08:50] <andrzejsz> :)
[08:50] <Kronoz> then you have an extension + base
[08:50] <Kronoz> andrzejsz, ah but kde is in c++
[08:50] <h3sp4wn> I think it is best to start with assembler (but not on x86 - 68000 or arm or mips)
[08:50] <ColonelPanic001> In the Kubuntu FAQ page, there's a link about installing Kubuntu on an existing Ubuntu install, but it's a 404. Is this information elsewhere on the site?
[08:51] <andrzejsz> kronoz: ok. you won.
[08:51] <andrzejsz> :)
[08:51] <Kadran> did any one tried C#
[08:51] <Kronoz> ColonelPanic001, apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[08:51] <noel> kool guys :)
[08:51] <Kronoz> c# is microsoft doctrine of c i believe
[08:52] <noel> my friend told me to start with C then C++
[08:52] <andrzejsz> c# is microsoft vision of java.
[08:52] <andrzejsz> they took java and f**d some things...
[08:52] <asimon> A good language to start programming with is Scheme, just because of the fantastic book from Abelson and Sussman, this book does a great job teaching you the fundamentals of programming
[08:52] <noel> he is a java programmer..
[08:52] <ColonelPanic001> Kronoz: I did that, and KDM is used now and all that, but the desktop still comes up as Gnome. Not sure if I was missing something.
[08:52] <Kronoz> ColonelPanic001, on the kdm screen go to sessions > kde
[08:53] <Kronoz> er, menu > session > kde even
[08:53] <ColonelPanic001> Wow, I'm an idiot. I should know that.
[08:53] <ColonelPanic001> heh
[08:53] <ColonelPanic001> I'm a Ubuntu noob, but I've used debian for a few years. heh
[08:53] <ColonelPanic001> Thanks, though. The help is appreciated
[08:54] <Kronoz> np
[08:54] <noel> guys, this is the book I bought this afternoon.  http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0321287630/103-9658259-2931041?v=glance&n=283155
[08:54] <ColonelPanic001> Still getting used to this crazy "no root login" stuff. Weeeeird
[08:54] <noel> i just dont know if I can get something or learn from the book
[08:54] <andrzejsz> noel: just try :D
[08:55] <noel> yup :)
[08:55] <andrzejsz> "ANSI C: Just do it"
[08:55] <Kadran> noel: any book is good to start then you will ship on your own
[08:55] <Kronoz> noel, linux programming by example by kurt wall
[08:55] <Kronoz> noel, and cplusplus.com
[08:56] <Kronoz> ColonelPanic001, yeah that me a while too
[08:56] <noel> guys, thank you so much for all you suggestion, Im sure this will be a big help for me as a starter. I really appreciated it a lot :)
[08:57] <andrzejsz> "we can only show you the door"
[08:57] <andrzejsz> (c) by matrix
[08:57] <andrzejsz> :D
[08:57] <noel> nothing more than that? hehe just kidding :L)
[08:58] <andrzejsz> ok. choose your pill ;)
[08:58] <Kronoz> noel, all you need is perseverence, which is why i fail at it :p
[08:58] <Kadran> yeah blue or red
[08:58] <h3sp4wn> Learning matrix algebra properly helped my programs to work alot for effectively (It was a library for a mapping program)
[08:58] <noel> maybe i fail too!
[08:59] <noel> hmmmm.
[08:59] <Kadran> noel: you can do many things with c++ for example you can use octave lib to do tuff math
[09:00] <noel> thats cool!
[09:00] <asimon> h3sp4wn: Good mathematical foundations are always good ;-) Another good book in this regard is Concrete Mathematics from Graham/Knuth/Patashnik.
[09:00] <noel> great!
[09:00] <Kronoz> cool stuff to learn is perl/python/ruby
[09:01] <noel> guys, I need to go  :) need to sleep now. its 3:00am already hehe
[09:01] <asimon> Kronoz: Python and Ruby definitely yes, but Perl?
[09:01] <andrzejsz> sure... perl... but i think you have to got some knowledge about programming _before_ starting learing Perl
[09:01] <iNiku> perl is great for many things
[09:01] <h3sp4wn> asimon: perl is great it avoids too much needless typing
[09:01] <Kronoz> perl is great for irc bots :)
[09:01] <andrzejsz> i do perl for living ...
[09:01] <andrzejsz>  :D
[09:01] <iNiku> perl is great for sysadmin stuff, too
[09:01] <ColonelPanic001> <3 perl
[09:02] <ColonelPanic001> I'm a web developer, we develop in perl
[09:02] <ColonelPanic001> Perl makes even learning to program fun
[09:02] <asimon> h3sp4wn: A good editor does the same ;-)
[09:02] <ColonelPanic001> whereas for me, it was frustrating
[09:02] <andrzejsz> yep. and it makes bugtracking a hell
[09:02] <noel> bye
[09:02] <andrzejsz> bye
[09:02] <kalle> I need help installing my printer. it's a samsung CLP-500 connected to a JetDirect
[09:02] <Rainier> does anyone know why kubuntu doesnt return to normal resolution after playing 3d games?
[09:03] <iNiku> debugging write-only perl code is hell
[09:03] <iNiku> but you don't have to write it like that :)
[09:03] <Jaquel> Anyone know how to get the zip drive icon off the desktop?
[09:03] <andrzejsz> yes, i don't have to write it like that
[09:04] <andrzejsz> but tell that to some people i work with...
[09:04] <andrzejsz> :D
[09:04] <Jaquel> No "Remove" or "Delete" options
[09:04] <Rainier> yeah even i know that :-)
[09:04] <Rainier> Jaquel: Right-click on the destop
[09:05] <Rainier> Jaquel: and select...properties i think
[09:05] <Rainier> not sure since my kubuntu is in spanish
[09:05] <h3sp4wn> andrzejsz: What do you know about microperl ?
[09:05] <asimon> Jaquel: Right-click with the mouse on the desktop => configure desktop => Behavior => Device Icons, choose what devices should have a icon and which not.
[09:06] <asimon> microperl? Sounds like the worst of two worlds ;-)
[09:06] <andrzejsz> isn't this even-minimized version of miniperl?
[09:07] <h3sp4wn> Yes but I can't find any docs about what it does and doesn't include (trying to port some modules to work on it)
[09:07] <iNiku> microperl is what you can use on embeddeed devices, right?
[09:07] <h3sp4wn> yes
[09:07] <iNiku> -e
[09:07] <Jaquel> Thanks for the help Rainier and asimon!
[09:07] <brandon_> if i write a bash script that includes some commands that require root privileges, is there a way to supply the password automatically?
[09:07] <iNiku> h3sp4wn: I was looking into getting it running on my router but there's just not enough space
[09:07] <Rainier> no problem
[09:08] <iNiku> so I had to settle to awk
[09:08] <iNiku> which is very _awk_ward
[09:08] <h3sp4wn> iNiku: What router ?
[09:08] <weedar> Has anyone had any success getting Canon i850 printer working under Dapper?
[09:08] <iNiku> h3sp4wn: a buffalo running dd-wrt
[09:08] <iNiku> h3sp4wn: with openwrt there probably would be space, but I can't be bothered
[09:09] <h3sp4wn> iNiku: dd-wrt makes a real mess of nvram
[09:09] <iNiku> h3sp4wn: how's that?
[09:09] <h3sp4wn> iNiku: Creating loads of variables in it
[09:09] <iNiku> h3sp4wn: well, that doesn't hurt if you only run dd-wrt...
[09:10] <iNiku> and you can always reset it, anyway :)
[09:10] <h3sp4wn> iNiku: Reset is not safe on some models
[09:10] <h3sp4wn> iNiku: Then it can be bricked
[09:10] <iNiku> h3sp4wn: yeah, at least the openwrt docs say that
[09:10] <Jaquel> brandon: have you tried running the script with sudo?
[09:11] <weedar> Has anyone had any success getting Canon i850 printer working under Dapper?
[09:11] <iNiku> h3sp4wn: dd-wrt is much less of a pain to set up, though
[09:11] <bernier> !flash
[09:11] <ubotu> Installation & troubleshooting for Flash is covered in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[09:12] <iNiku> h3sp4wn: depending on what you want to do, of course. openwrt is way more flexible if you want to depart from the standard feature set...
[09:12] <h3sp4wn> iNiku: Openwrt is not that hard to setup - the latest dd-wrt uses alot of openwrt anyway
[09:14] <SalsaDoom> Hi fellas. I'm having a problem with my digital camera. It is detected by gtkam and works perfectly, but camera:// just error instantly with "bad parameters". Anyone know how to fix this?
[09:14] <iNiku> h3sp4wn: not that hard probably, but it still requires a lot more reading and manual configuration, whereas in dd-wrt pretty much everything can be done through the web gui
[09:14] <bernier> hi, when i close my computer , it all goes well until it gets to "will now halt". there's the click sound of my comp closing but it doesnt. it simply stays there. O know it has something to do with the nvidia drivers because it's since that day it does that. anyone know how i can fix it?
[09:14] <h3sp4wn> iNiku: All the networking stuff can be done from the webif of openwrt
[09:15] <iNiku> h3sp4wn: it's not like I don't know how to configure things on the command line but for something like that, I just can't be bothered
[09:16] <SalsaDoom> bernier: I'd look at your AGP settings... AGP is buggy buggy. See if its using the kernels agp driver or nvidia's
[09:17] <iNiku> h3sp4wn: I enjoy the comforts of a sensible user interface sometimes... that's why I switched to ubuntu, too :P
[09:17] <bernier> salsadoom how?
[09:17] <SalsaDoom> bernier: I forget :D
[09:17] <bernier> lol
[09:17] <SalsaDoom> its like... /proc/drivers/agp or something like that
[09:18] <SalsaDoom> I think you could just goto proc and do: "find | grep -i nvidia" and find the right place.. a couple of little text files and one of them says which agp driver its using
[09:18] <SalsaDoom> Its been a long time since I've had to debug something like that so my memory is foggy
[09:18] <SalsaDoom> Anyway, someone here probably has a digital camera, anyone have one that WORKS?
[09:19] <rigonatti> can someone help me with GRUB ?
[09:19] <SalsaDoom> with kamera:// i should say. gtkam works for me, but stupid kamera:/ grabs the device. I could deal with that but this is my moms computer, so..
[09:20] <rigonatti> can someone help me with GRUB ?
[09:20] <SalsaDoom> Yeah, you just friggan asked
[09:20] <SalsaDoom> did you think it scrolled away in a second mabye?
[09:20] <SalsaDoom> Mabye people here have like 5 lines of text viewable at once?
[09:20] <ColonelPanic001> I do.
[09:20] <ColonelPanic001> o.o
[09:21] <jpatrick> !ask
[09:21] <ubotu> For information on how to ask good questions please see http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html The more information you can give the better we can help you. If your going to give output of commands please use http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[09:21] <s1> In Konqueror, how do I get the bookmark folders like in firefox? bookmark toolbar something?
[09:29] <bernier> !sevea's
[09:29] <ubotu> Bugger all, I dunno. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, bernier
[09:29] <Kronoz> s1, settings > config toolbars > check bookmark toolbar i think
[09:30] <ports> hey
[09:30] <Kronoz> hi
[09:31] <rigonatti> can someone help me with GRUB ?
[09:31] <jpatrick> rigonatti: depends what the problem is
[09:31] <chx> http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=Google+Talk+support  is this what I am supposed to see? I doubt....
[09:32] <rigonatti> jpatrick: wel.. im trying to install kubuntu breezy ... kubuntu dapper ...and ubuntu dapper ...but
[09:32] <rigonatti> got the same error
[09:32] <rigonatti>  I have a SATA drive ....and a IDE Drive..
[09:32] <rigonatti>  trying to use SATA Drive with 2 partitions ...1 for linux...1 for windows...
[09:32] <rigonatti>  windows works fine ..
[09:33] <rigonatti>  then i install Linux ...but when reboot ...dont show me the dual boot..
[09:33] <ports> jpatrick is there a workaround for upgrading from breezy to dapper and losing kde?
[09:37] <kjimmy> ports: why would u lose kde by upgrading?
[09:38] <ports> kjimmy it removes kde.
[09:38] <kjimmy> mine didnt...
[09:38] <defrysk> ports, try installing kubuntu-desktop to resolve the debs
[09:38] <ports> when did you upgrade ?
[09:38] <dappity_doo_dawg> last week
[09:39] <defrysk> ports, and check if you have your repos correctly set up
[09:39] <xenblend> yea
[09:39] <xenblend> make sure uve got "dapper main restricted universe multiverse" and "dapper-updates etc"
[09:40] <defrysk> make sure to use ubuntu-repos only
[09:41] <Rainier> so anyone have any idea why kubuntu doesn't return to normal resolution after ending 3d games?
[09:42] <kbrooks> has anyone here tried easyubuntu (installation of java and flash)? what happened?
[09:43] <kbrooks> OK
[09:48] <sdolnack> I'i know kmplayer is a frontend for mplayer, but...
[09:49] <sdolnack> is mplayer liek command line or someting?  What will be diff if i install kmplayer from Adept vs. mplayer
[09:50] <RogueJediX> sdolnack: Like you said, mplayer is commandline, while KMPlayer is the GUI for mplayer
[09:51] <sdolnack> ohh ok
[09:51] <ubuntu_> can somebody help me with grub
[09:51] <sdolnack> so shall i install them both?
[09:51] <sdolnack> ubuntu_: i might be able to
[09:51] <kbrooks> sdolnack: no...
[09:51] <RogueJediX> sdolnack: Yes, KMplayer needs mplayer to work
[09:51] <kbrooks> sdolnack: install kmplayer
[09:51] <sdolnack> also what's the mplayer-686 package?  Is that mplayer optimized for 86?
[09:51] <ubuntu_> well basically i get Error 17 when booting after installing kubuntu
[09:51] <kbrooks> RogueJediX: there is no such thing as dep hell in kubuntu
[09:51] <ubuntu_> i got a mix of ide and sata drives
[09:52] <ubuntu_> and my device.map file is empty
[09:52] <RogueJediX> kbrooks: Eh?
[09:52] <PyroMithrandir> http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html#Stage2-errors <-- ubuntu_
[09:52] <kbrooks> RogueJediX: kmplayer might depend on mplayer
[09:52] <jpatrick> RogueJediX: kmplayer does not need mplayer
[09:52] <PyroMithrandir> well, you should definitely get something into your device.map, ubuntu_
[09:52] <ubuntu_> how do i find the right partition?
[09:52] <RogueJediX> kbrooks: Oh, that. But it needs some sort of backend
[09:53] <PyroMithrandir> there is a wiki page on it, I believe, ubuntu_
[09:53] <PyroMithrandir> !grub
[09:53] <ubotu> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/GrubHowto or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows or troubleshooting grub: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html#Troubleshooting
[09:53] <ubuntu_> a lot of the troubleshooting sites say to use a floppy
[09:53] <ubuntu_> except i dont have a floppy drive
[09:53] <sdolnack> so install KMplayer.  Got it.  So I can't really make any use of mplayer-686 transitional dummy pkg?
[09:53] <PyroMithrandir> ubuntu_ you could also use a livecd
[09:53] <ubuntu_> that's what i am using now
[09:56] <PyroMithrandir> ubuntu_, check out the troubleshooting section of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[09:57] <ubuntu_> when i do the find command it says file not sound
[09:57] <ubuntu_> found
[09:59] <ubuntu_> hmm
[09:59] <ubuntu_> ok. in that last link, how are the steps really different for overwriting and not overwriting windows
[09:59] <ubuntu_> one of them writes the boot loader in MBR
[10:00] <ubuntu_> and the other one doesnt. how does it boot in the second cause if it's not in MBR
[10:00] <s1> my trashcan is missing from the desktop, is there any way to recreate it?
[10:00] <ubuntu_> i'll reboot and see if this helps
[10:00] <s1> or is it supposed to be in the toolbar?
[10:02] <garyke> can anyone tell me how to install sun's java in Konsole?
[10:02] <gobbe> apt-get install?
[10:03] <gobbe> sun-java5-jdk if jdk, or sun-java5-jre if you want jre
[10:03] <frank__> garyke: sudo apt-get install sun-java5-bin
[10:04] <fatejudger> probably best to install jre instead of just the bin package
[10:04] <garyke> I get a "E: Couldn't find package sun-jave5-bin"
[10:04] <fatejudger> garyke: it's in universe
[10:04] <fatejudger> garyke: and you ought to install jre
[10:04] <PyroMithrandir> fore one thing it isn't "jave"
[10:04] <fatejudger> garyke: not the bin one
[10:04] <PyroMithrandir> for* ;)
[10:04] <garyke> i'll learn how to spell one day, sorry
[10:05] <garyke> feel stupid now
[10:06] <garyke> thanks gobbe, fatejudger and PyroMithrandir :)
[10:06] <Fillado> how do you get the correct java to come up when you do "java --version" ?
[10:06] <PyroMithrandir> no problem, garyke, we all feel stupid sometimes :)
[10:06] <sdolnack> how's the root shell work?
[10:06] <fatejudger> Fillado: sudo update-alternatives --config java
[10:07] <PyroMithrandir> sdolnack, root is disabled by default in ubuntu, but you can get one just as good by using sudo -i
[10:07] <Fillado> cheers fatejudger :D
[10:07] <sdolnack> so the Konsole root terminal--it's basically "broken"?
[10:08] <sdolnack> root shell, not terminal
[10:08] <PyroMithrandir> oh, that
[10:08] <PyroMithrandir> um, I don't know, does it not work for you?
[10:08] <PyroMithrandir> I actually have the root account enabled on my box, so it works fine for me
[10:09] <garyke> right, thanks you so much folks, i'm off :)
[10:09] <sdolnack> i hear that's really risky
[10:10] <sdolnack> well i'm sure you knwo what you're doing, but i'd most certainly break something ;-P
[10:11] <PyroMithrandir> sdolnack, the main risk is that it makes it easier to crack into my box
[10:11] <PyroMithrandir> the cracker could try the account name "root" because a lot of linux boxes have it
[10:11] <PyroMithrandir> other than that, well, I know what I'm doing, so it's not too risky :)
[10:12] <ubuntu_> hi
[10:12] <ubuntu_> grub is still not working
[10:13] <rigonatti> hi there !!
[10:13] <ubuntu_> anybody have the asus motherboards where you can change the order of the disks in bios?
[10:13] <ubuntu_> what does that actually do
[10:13] <rigonatti> Im in a Kubuntu Breezy Fresh Install ...with Adpt Updater complete ...how can I upgrade to Dapper ?
[10:13] <ubuntu_> i just changed them around and in my livecd they stayed the same
[10:13] <PyroMithrandir> ubuntu_, you might want to try this: http://adrian15.raulete.net/grub/tiki-index.php
[10:14] <PyroMithrandir> I'm about to try that link out myself, actually, because my grub is broken too ;)
[10:14] <PyroMithrandir> or at least the copy of grub on my MBR is
[10:14] <gobbe> rigonatti, change breezy words to dapper in sources.list, run apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade
[10:15] <rigonatti> got it !!
[10:15] <PyroMithrandir> I can still get at my kubuntu install by telling my bios to boot to my hdb where I have another copy of grub installed, and then edit the entry a bit to get it to boot up :)
[10:15] <rigonatti> btw..... can i Change to Gnome ? just to see how works ?
[10:15] <l_r> hello
[10:16] <PyroMithrandir> rigonatti, sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[10:16] <rigonatti> txs Pyro ...
[10:16] <PyroMithrandir> that'll give you an installation of gnome and a bunch of gnome programs
[10:16] <l_r> is there a package containing a flash player?
[10:16] <rigonatti> Txs gobbe
[10:16] <l_r> or do i have to install the flash player 7 manually?
[10:16] <thoreauputic> !flash
[10:16] <ubotu> Installation & troubleshooting for Flash is covered in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[10:16] <John-Z> Hrm.
[10:17] <thoreauputic> !info flashplugin-nonfree
[10:17] <ubotu> flashplugin-nonfree: (Macromedia Flash Player plugin installer), section multiverse/web, is optional. Version: 7.0.63.3ubuntu3 (dapper), Packaged size: 16 kB, Installed size: 136 kB
[10:17] <rigonatti> I though i found a Bug ...does anyone use (or have know how) SATA + PATA drivers ?
[10:17] <John-Z> What do you all recommend I use for a theme manager.. the built in one? If so, where is the best place to get new themes using the theme manager?
[10:17] <thoreauputic> !themes
[10:17] <tehuti> does anyone use suspend-hibernate on their laptop?
[10:17] <gobbe> me
[10:17] <thoreauputic> http://kdelook.org
[10:17] <ports> yeah
[10:18] <tehuti> how do you activate it?
[10:18] <tehuti> in Breezy my Fn keys worked
[10:18] <tehuti> I get the buttons in the gnome logout dialog, they work, but no hotkeys
[10:18] <gobbe> tehuti, try to check /etc/acpi, there is hibernatebtn.sh
[10:19] <gobbe> tehuti, easy way to try fix that is to copy original to safeplaces and then copy hibernate.sh to hibernatebtn.sh
[10:20] <tehuti> thanks gobbe I'll try that
[10:21] <gobbe> tehuti, i had few problems with my secondary laptop and that fixed it, on my thinkpad everything works
[10:21] <tehuti> have you noticed gnome freezing on the thinkpad?
[10:23] <gobbe> i don't use gnome
[10:23] <tehuti> gobbe, overwrite hibernatebtn.sh with hibernate.sh? or add the text from hibernatebtn.sh to hibernate.sh
[10:24] <gobbe> tehuti: overwrite hibernatebtn.sh with hibernate.sh or add text from hibernate.sh to hibernatebtn.sh
[10:24] <gobbe> tehuti, ofcourse you can try does it help if you just run hibernate.sh
[10:24] <unix_infidel> For some reason i always have to remove and plugin my usbmouse everytime i start the x server for some reason.
[10:24] <simo_> hello peeps
[10:25] <unix_infidel> any ideas on why, i've checked and all usb related modules are loaded up before i issue startx
[10:27] <tehuti> gobbe, I copied hibernate.sh to hibernatebtn.sh and Fn + F4 doesn't suspend
[10:28] <tehuti> restarted acpi
[10:28] <gobbe> tehuti, try hibernate
[10:28] <gobbe> ofcourse if you do changes to hibernatebtn suspend button doesn't get fixed ;)
[10:28] <bobesponja> can I resize my ntfs partition with kubuntu installer? if yes can I do it with the live installer or  do I need to download the alternate iso?
[10:29] <apokryphos> bobesponja: you can do it with the live installer
[10:31] <tehuti> gobbe, hibernate worked
[10:31] <gobbe> i don't use about suspend because i don't use it :)
[10:32] <tehuti> ah
[10:33] <s1> is anyone connecting successfully with an iPod from amarok?
[10:33] <unix_infidel> anyone here having problems with the new fluxbox upgrade from breezy to dapper and startup problems??
[10:33] <unix_infidel> i got my ncurses problem fixed btw :P
[10:34] <tehuti> gobbe thank you sir I'm halfway there now
[10:35] <apokryphos> s1: yes, but only on the latest version
[10:35] <tehuti> anyone get Fn + F4 to suspend?
[10:36] <Snake> Anyone that can help  on any tech related topic! http://alpha.qunu.com/ sign up!
[10:36] <s1> apokryphos: aha, I'm running 1.3.9 or something
[10:37] <apokryphos> !latestamarok
[10:37] <ubotu> My cat's name is Mittens! Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, apokryphos
[10:37] <s1> apokryphos: aha, I'm running 1.3.9 or something
[10:37] <apokryphos> !findvalues amarok
[10:37] <ubotu> apokryphos: Did you get hit by a windmill? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[10:37] <apokryphos> !listvalues amarok
[10:37] <ubotu> Factoid search of 'amarok' by value (4 shown): players ;; amarok ;; amarok 1.3.7 ;; latest amarok #DEL#.
[10:37] <apokryphos> bah :)
[10:37] <apokryphos> ubotu: latest amarok
[10:37] <ubotu> Wish I knew. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, apokryphos
[10:37] <apokryphos> oh, deleted. Hm.
[10:37] <tehuti> gobbe, I'm going to try the same thing with sleep.sh and sleepbtn.sh
[10:38] <apokryphos> s1: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/amarok-1.4.php
[10:39] <apokryphos> ubotu: latest amarok is <reply> the latest version of Amarok is 1.4; To install see: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/amarok-1.4.php
[10:39] <ubotu> okay, apokryphos
[10:40] <gobbe> tehuti, ok. i'll hope that it will help
[10:40] <s1> apokryphos: alright, I added the amaroks site's debsource
[10:40] <apokryphos> s1: so upgrade
[10:41] <rigonatti> can anyone help me to upgrade my breezy to dapper =.?
[10:41] <s1> did, installed and all
[10:41] <s1> but the 1.3.9 still starts
[10:41] <steveire> what is that apt command to get rid of downloaded/installed deb files?
[10:41] <steveire> apt-cache clean or something
[10:42] <apokryphos> steveire: sudo apt-get clean
[10:42] <apokryphos> s1: did you apt-get update first?
[10:42] <s1> apokryphos: the upgrades were held back
[10:42] <s1> yes
[10:42] <apokryphos> s1: and follow the other instructions on that page?
[10:43] <rigonatti> can anyone help me to upgrade my breezy to dapper =.?
[10:43] <apokryphos> rigonatti: /msg ubotu faq
[10:44] <s1> running
[10:44] <steveire> thanks. How else can I trim the fat from my system, so to speak
[10:44] <visik7> rigonatti: replace breezy with dapper in the sources.list apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
[10:44] <rigonatti> visik7 you mean in Adept Gui Interface ?
[10:44] <visik7> rigonatti: never used adept
[10:44] <visik7> btw should be ok
[10:45] <apokryphos> visik7: no, there's more to it than that
[10:45] <apokryphos> visik7: you can break systems by simply recommending that; please don't do it.
[10:45] <visik7> apokryphos: doesn't work ?
[10:45] <rigonatti> what dosent work ??
[10:45] <apokryphos> visik7: see the FAQ
[10:45] <rigonatti> Adept ?
[10:45] <rigonatti> apokryphos.... I solved that SATA problem... =(
[10:46] <apokryphos> cool
[10:46] <rigonatti> but ....Should be a Bug when using SATA + PATA drivers
[10:46] <rigonatti> ok...look ...i got to ADept,... Manager respositories ...and changed breezy to Dapper in all options
[10:46] <rigonatti> is that right ?
[10:47] <apokryphos> rigonatti: no, it's not enough, and you can bork your system by simply doing that. Please read the FAQ on how to upgrade.
[10:48] <sdolnack> 'm trying to configure kconsole to be transparent
[10:48] <sdolnack> and i go to settings and save but it's not changing anything
[10:48] <sdolnack> do i have to reboot?
[10:48] <apokryphos> sdolnack: you want the background to be transparent?
[10:48] <sdolnack> yes
[10:49] <sdolnack> dark transparent
[10:49] <sdolnack> translucent really, not invisible
[10:49] <apokryphos> sdolnack: setting -> schema -> transparent?
[10:49] <sdolnack> yeah i did
[10:49] <sdolnack> and i click Apply and OK
[10:49] <sdolnack> and it doesn't seem to do anythign
[10:49] <apokryphos> there shouldn't be an Apply/Ok
[10:49] <apokryphos> it's a menu option
[10:50] <sdolnack> there is though--why woudln't there be an apply/ok?
[10:50] <sdolnack> it brings up a configure box
[10:50] <thelostbyte_> help.. i just added skim panel applet and i dont see my kicker now ?
[10:50] <apokryphos> sdolnack: go to the exact place I mentioned.
[10:50] <sdolnack> oh nevermind
[10:50] <sdolnack> yes
[10:50] <sdolnack> i goot it
[10:50] <Gistybit> hm what are the kubuntu repository urls?.. i can't seem to find it anywhere
[10:50] <sdolnack> but it's silly--it's not really transparent, it just shows the background
[10:50] <sdolnack> whuddup wit dat?
[10:51] <nik> hello
[10:51] <apokryphos> Gistybit: the main ones? They're the same as ubuntu
[10:51] <apokryphos> sdolnack: fake transparency, yes.
[10:51] <apokryphos> KDE apps aren't made to use real transparency or Xgl etc stuff yet
[10:51] <Gistybit> apokryphos: oh ok.. i just read that amarok 1.4 was in the kubuntu repository.. but only 1.3.9 i slisted.. multiverse added tho
[10:51] <rigonatti> apokryphos..... the ubuntu faq dont use Kubuntu as example ...
[10:51] <rigonatti> use ubuntu with synaptics
[10:51] <nik> I removed some packages I didn't need...evms for example - but there is still a evms script in /etc/init.d ... how come?
[10:52] <crimsun_> Gistybit: 1.4.0a is on kubuntu.org
[10:52] <apokryphos> Gistybit: for extra things like amarok 1.4 they will be in other repositories
[10:52] <apokryphos> Gistybit: /msg ubotu latest amarok
[10:52] <apokryphos> rigonatti: go to the DapperUpgrades page it links to
[10:52] <apokryphos> it tells you what Kubuntu users should do
[10:52] <Gistybit> apokryphos: crimsun_: thx
[10:52] <apokryphos> nik: you didn't purge it. To remove all config files as well you have to purge
[10:53] <Rainier> hello
[10:53] <nik> apokryphos: I used: sudo aptitude --purge remove <foo>
[10:53] <sdolnack> so in other words xgl is going to be real handy once it's actually usable on a normal system
[10:53] <EvilIdler> Is an init.d script considered a config file by dpkg?
[10:53] <apokryphos> nik: sudo aptitude purge <package>
[10:53] <apokryphos> nik: or sudo apt-get remove --purge <package>
[10:54] <nik> ops ;)
[10:54] <nik> thx
[10:54] <apokryphos> sdolnack: indeed
[10:54] <apokryphos> sdolnack: and, also, when kde takes full advantage of the possibilities it offers
[10:55] <sdolnack> yeah.  It didn't seem to work well when i tried it
[10:55] <apokryphos> depends almost entirely on your card, atm
[10:55] <sdolnack> i've got an ati radeon x300 (128mb), a gig of ram, and a 1.6ghz pentium M.  Will that run it?
[10:55] <sdolnack> did i misconfig it?
[10:55] <sdolnack> it's just that when i opened an xgl session everything was so SLOW! like scrolling text in kde moved at like 3 fps
[10:56] <sdolnack> 'twas ridiculous
[10:56] <apokryphos> ideally NVidias work best with it, but a lot of people use it with ATIs and it works ok with many Intel cards too
[10:56] <apokryphos> sdolnack: yes, I hear the ATI driver isn't very well supported for it
[10:56] <sdolnack> ahh
[10:56] <apokryphos> NVidia, Intel, then ATI
[10:56] <sdolnack> drat
[10:56] <sdolnack> i could use some help w/ amarok snake
[10:57] <sdolnack> do you know how I could make the progress bar wider?  it's too tiny
[10:57] <sdolnack> or to move it to the top
[10:57] <Rainier> could anyone help me please?
[10:57] <s1> how do you ignore joins, quitsa nd parts in konversation?
[10:57] <sdolnack> would i need to delve into the source code to modify that?
[10:57] <Rainier> i get this strange message when i install/remove packages
[10:57] <apokryphos> sdolnack: not without coding :P
[10:57] <sdolnack> sheeit
[10:57] <Rainier> after installing xfce
[10:57] <Snake> sdolnack: all I could think is to recompie with a diffrent coding..
[10:57] <GazzaK> does anyone have xgl working in kubuntu?
[10:57] <apokryphos> Rainier: what is it?
[10:57] <sdolnack> that sux0rs
[10:57] <Snake> sdolnack: theres no in program settings
[10:57] <Snake> yea
[10:57] <apokryphos> GazzaK: yes
[10:57] <sdolnack> haha GazzaK i've been asking that for liek a week
[10:58] <sdolnack> and wow this is the first iv'e gotten a "yes", let alone 2
[10:58] <Rainier> apokryphos: i installed xfce and now everytime i install/remove packages i get this message several times
[10:58] <Rainier> apokryphos: ** (process:14922): CRITICAL **: egg_desktop_entries_add_group: assertion `egg_desktop_entries_lookup_group (entries, group_name) == NULL' failed
[10:58] <GazzaK> I tried today, and succeeded...... in breaking my install :p
[10:58] <sdolnack> it didn't work for me.  I backtracked and just removed everythign i'd installed in adept
[10:58] <apokryphos> Rainier: curious. Is that all it says?
[10:58] <jonathan_> Hey, anybody here tried Vista yet?
[10:58] <Snake> s1: settings, configure, Chat Window, hide join/part/nick events
[10:59] <Snake> jonathan_: I did
[10:59] <apokryphos> jonathan_: it proved to be impossible to install on about 3 of my systems
[10:59] <jonathan_> What did you think?
[10:59] <Snake> To unstable atm
[10:59] <GazzaK> jonathan_, I got the iso, but then broke my machine, and forgot to copy it to my NAS box :p
[10:59] <tehuti> ok my Fn + F4 hotkey will wake my sleeping ThinkPad but won't put it to sleep
[10:59] <jonathan_> I got it on this one, I dont like it
[10:59] <Rainier> apokryphos: nop it does install and remove, with all the messages that implies, but that appears many times in between only with different process numbers each time
[11:00] <jonathan_> It is a HUGE resorce hog
[11:00] <crimsun_> tehuti: does ``sudo pmi action suspend''? work?
[11:00] <sdolnack> why would you DUMP Kubuntu for vista?  :-P
[11:00] <apokryphos> Rainier: try asking in #ubuntu
[11:00] <GazzaK> but if you have those resources, is it nice?
[11:00] <Rainier> ok thanx
[11:00] <sdolnack> what practical purpose does vista serve at this point though
[11:00] <Snake> jonathan_: mine was way to unstable, explorer kept crashing on me and my 2.8 ghz was idling at 60%
[11:00] <jonathan_> I wouldn't
[11:00] <sdolnack> i mean compatability must be awful at this point
[11:00] <apokryphos> sdolnack: you have to try it out to hate it properly :P
[11:00] <sdolnack> lol
[11:00] <Snake> sdolnack: its not that bad, but it is definatly hatealbe
[11:00] <Snake> able*
[11:00] <sdolnack> who said i hated it properly?
[11:01] <Snake> Their 3d mode doesnt even anti-alaise
[11:01] <Snake> its sad
[11:01] <Snake> and I cant spell ;)
[11:01] <apokryphos> sdolnack: just talking about my own purpose for trying it ;-)
[11:01] <sdolnack> MS is sad
[11:01] <sdolnack> hahahah
[11:01] <sdolnack> check it off your "things to hate" list :-P
[11:02] <tehuti> crimsun_, yeah that worked
[11:02] <jonathan_> I have a amd athlon 2800 and 512mb of ram and a nvidia mx4000, so it's decent. And Vista was so slooowww on it
[11:02] <Snake> My purpose was to get a jump on n00bs so that id be able to trouble shoot them, but I think its like XP enough for me to pull it off without it :)
[11:02] <Snake> jonathan_: atleast a gig man.
[11:02] <Snake> of RAM
[11:02] <sdolnack> but serously though
[11:02] <sdolnack> 've only had kubuntu for  week and already i haaaaate booting in windows
[11:02] <sdolnack> coz it's so damn slow compared to Kubuntu
[11:02] <sdolnack> aqnd i'm not even running initng
[11:02] <jonathan_> Vista had to increase my vertual memory
[11:02] <Snake> rofl
[11:03] <sdolnack> i would but i can't seem to enabmle my wireless card with it...
[11:03] <Snake> XGL + Ubuntu = Love
[11:03] <tehuti> how can I link "pmi action suspend" to Fn + F4?
[11:03] <sdolnack> XGL + sdolnack = o.O
[11:03] <jonathan_> what is xgl?
[11:03] <sdolnack> pretty grafx
[11:03] <sdolnack> and a rotating 3d-cube desktop!!
[11:03] <Snake> !xgl
[11:03] <ubotu> XGL on Ubuntu: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CompositeManager - Join #ubuntu-xgl for all the XGL fun on Ubuntu systems.  Pretty videos on http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease/  See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[11:03] <sdolnack> so each desktop is one face and it like spins
[11:03] <apokryphos> jonathan_: new xserver architecture layered on top of opengl
[11:04] <sdolnack> ok yeah that tinyurl thing def wasn't there when i tried a week ago
[11:04] <sdolnack> haha
[11:04] <jonathan_> I'll check that out
[11:04] <Snake> lol
[11:04] <Snake> sdolnack: believe it or not we update ubotu
[11:04] <Snake> :P
[11:04] <Snake> This isnt debian
[11:05] <jonathan_> Anyway, I think M$ really svrewed up with Vista
[11:05] <jonathan_> screwed
[11:05] <sdolnack> # It appears that you might need a 9800 or better ATI right now.
[11:05] <sdolnack> # It appears there may be problems with Mobility users (laptops)
[11:05] <Snake> jonathan_: give them time to clean it up, no way would they release it in its current stae
[11:05] <sdolnack> # It appears that you might need a 9800 or better ATI right now.
[11:05] <sdolnack> # It appears there may be problems with Mobility users (laptops)
[11:05] <sdolnack> ack i ddi that twice
[11:05] <sdolnack> but yeah, last time i checked it said it worked well w/ (my) x300
[11:05] <sdolnack> gahh
[11:05] <Snake> Dappper Flight 5 was more stable than their beta 2
[11:05] <Snake> thats really bad
[11:06] <sdolnack> LOL
[11:06] <sdolnack> are there any drawbax to using dapper over breezy?
[11:06] <Snake> not that ive found
[11:06] <sdolnack> or hoary
[11:06] <sdolnack> or whatever was the latest before dapper
[11:06] <Snake> Dapper is faster, easier, and sleeker
[11:06] <EvilIdler> Newer, too
[11:06] <Snake> With more hardware support too
[11:07] <sdolnack> and it's one three three sevener
[11:07] <kwwii> and prettier
[11:07] <Snake> kwwii: no need to say that, its in the name ;)
[11:07] <Snake> (Dapper)
[11:07] <sdolnack> it's more dap than hoary was :-P
[11:07] <sdolnack> it's dappER
[11:07] <Snake> its a well dressed duck :P (or dragon)
[11:08] <Snake> i prefer dragon
[11:08] <EvilIdler> The only drawback is that there is no Z or X in the name. Marketing likes that sort of thing..
[11:08] <Snake> Xubuntu?
[11:08] <EvilIdler> Ducks are easier to catch.
[11:08] <GazzaK> Snake, wow, thanks, just reading that howto
[11:08] <kwwii> night all
[11:08] <Snake> GazzaK: dont thank me, thank ubotu (!botsnack)
[11:09] <sdolnack> !botsnack
[11:09] <ubotu> :)
[11:09] <GazzaK> i'll bookmark that and try that soon
[11:09] <sdolnack> awww!! that was so cute
[11:09] <sdolnack> !botsnack
[11:09] <Snake> lol
[11:09] <sdolnack> oh now he's all cranky
[11:09] <Snake> !botsnack
[11:09] <GazzaK> whats the botsnack?
[11:09] <Snake> GazzaK: just thanking the bot
[11:09] <GazzaK> !botsnack
[11:09] <ubotu> thanks gazzak :)
[11:09] <Snake> :)
[11:10] <sdolnack> it makes the soulless piece of code println a colon and a right parens
[11:10] <GazzaK> does it log it?
[11:10] <Snake> It logs everything
[11:10] <GazzaK> hehe
[11:10] <sdolnack> but does it increment how many botsnax it has or something
[11:10] <Bassetts> can anyone here help
[11:10] <Snake> Bassetts: with?
[11:10] <Bassetts> i need to make a html file in terminal
[11:10] <Snake> Bassetts: use vi
[11:10] <Bassetts> and i need it to put in some html for me, without opening nano or vi or anything
[11:10] <sdolnack> why not use kwrite and save as  html
[11:11] <sdolnack> oh
[11:11] <Snake> hmm
[11:11] <Bassetts> like $ make filename.html html to go into file
[11:11] <Snake> No idea :(
[11:11] <Bassetts> ok =(
[11:11] <Snake> Bassetts: try this
[11:11] <Bassetts> thanks anyway, atleast you replied =) =P
[11:11] <Bassetts> ok
[11:11] <Snake> Bassetts: "echo html you want >> filename.html"
[11:12] <Bassetts> nice one
[11:12] <Snake> I dunno if that will suit your needs, but its something
[11:12] <sdolnack> wha'ts the point of vim? it doesn't even highlight code! :-P
[11:12] <Bassetts> it works perfect
[11:12] <sdolnack> lightweight shmightweight
[11:13] <GazzaK> anyways, thanks and good night
[11:13] <Bassetts> cheers Snake
[11:13] <Snake> Yep
[11:13] <Snake> night GazzaK
[11:13] <Snake> sdolnack: then you dont have it configured right :P you can get diffrent profiles and stuff, its quite amazing what vim can do
[11:13] <Snake> just requires a lot of tweaking
[11:13] <sdolnack> what are the ups? as opposed to like kate or kwrite
[11:13] <sdolnack> or gedit
[11:13] <sdolnack> or what have you
[11:14] <John-Z> What's the best terminal application for Kubuntu?
[11:14] <Snake> Just preferabilty
[11:14] <John-Z> or for linux for that matter?
[11:14] <Snake> I personally like kate
[11:14] <Snake> John-Z: imo?? top
[11:14] <John-Z> Top?
[11:14] <John-Z> As in the unix command top.
[11:14] <Snake> type top in a terminal
[11:14] <sdolnack> what dont' you like about konsole?
[11:14] <John-Z> No no no.
[11:15] <Snake> nonono?
[11:15] <John-Z> Im not aksing your favorite unix command.
[11:15] <John-Z> Actual terminal, like konsole
[11:15] <Snake> OHHH
[11:15] <Snake> ROFL
[11:15] <John-Z> yeah..
[11:15] <John-Z> I was like "top?" wtf?
[11:15] <Snake> I like gnomes terminal, not sure what its called
[11:15] <John-Z> I'd like to customize konsole so that it is bordless and transparent..
[11:16] <John-Z> havent found a way to do that yet.
[11:16] <EvilIdler> I prefer Xterm. No frills, no surprises :)
[11:16] <Snake> Gnome terminal supports links, tabs, and everything else konsole does + more
[11:16] <sdolnack> you can't do transparency can you yet?
[11:16] <sdolnack> we were just discussing this 15 min ago :-P
[11:16] <Snake> Not true trans
[11:16] <John-Z> nope.
[11:16] <Snake> Not without XGL
[11:16] <John-Z> Its weird.
[11:16] <sdolnack> i want real transparency, not the background
[11:17] <sdolnack> i wanna see the windows below it
[11:17] <Snake> yea, you need XGL for real
[11:17] <John-Z> indeed..
[11:17] <visik7> oh composit should be enought
[11:17] <Snake> alt + shift + mouse scroll in XGL = pwnage
[11:17] <visik7> to get transparency in konsole
[11:17] <sdolnack> OMG snake stop you're killing me!!
[11:17] <sdolnack> composit?
[11:17] <Snake> sdolnack: ?
[11:18] <Snake> to much math?
[11:18] <sdolnack> i'm jealous!!
[11:18] <Snake> :P
[11:18] <visik7> maybe component
[11:18] <visik7> can't remember the name
[11:18] <RawSewage> my Konsole is fullscreen, borderless, and transparent
[11:18] <RawSewage> you dont need anything extra
[11:19] <nico8481> anyone uses skim?
[11:19] <RawSewage> why do you think Konsole cant be transparent?
[11:19] <ColonelPanic001> Does kubuntu have an app to edit partitons, such as the one used on install?
[11:20] <visik7> I don't use konsole anymore since I've discover yakuake
[11:20] <ColonelPanic001> <3 aterm
[11:20] <Snake> yakuake ROCKS
[11:20] <Snake> I love yakuake
[11:20] <RawSewage> Yakuake doesnt have the shortcuts I need
[11:21] <RawSewage> Like allowing me to configure ctrl+v for paste, etc
[11:21] <Snake> RawSewage... intresting name
[11:21] <RawSewage> with Konsole, I just press F12, and there it is, full screen , borderless, transparent
[11:21] <sheldonc> this is offtopic, but im looking for an external HD enclosure that doubles as a NAS... any suggestions?
[11:21] <Snake> hehe
[11:21] <RawSewage> Yakuake would load faster, obviously
[11:22] <RawSewage> since its already running
[11:22] <haider> ColonelPanic001: apt-get install qtparted
[11:22] <ColonelPanic001> haider: thank you :)
[11:23] <Snake> God I wish they had winamp for linux
[11:23] <sdolnack> what is yakuake?
[11:23] <Snake> sdolnack: ever played quake?
[11:23] <ColonelPanic001> Snake: xmms or amarak isn't meeting what you need?
[11:23] <luksan> Snake: it's called XMMS
[11:23] <Snake> XMMS is NOTHING like winamp any more
[11:23] <luksan> it's exactly like Winamp
[11:23] <EvilIdler> Why would anyone want Winamp? It's a resource hog!
[11:23] <sheldonc> Snake: what winamp feature are you looking for
[11:23] <Snake> XMMS plays music, amarok is great, but I ke the winamp layout
[11:23] <funkja> is there an easy way to upgrade my version of GTK?
[11:23] <haider> luksan: no Winamp is better that XMMS buuut amarok is better than Winamp
[11:24] <luksan> amaroK ;-)
[11:24] <ColonelPanic001> Personally, I recently discovered amarak, and I think it's friggin great
[11:24] <Snake> sdolnack: just the layout :) but amarok takes care of the rest
[11:24] <ColonelPanic001> so far, at least
[11:24] <ColonelPanic001> :)
[11:24] <Snake> Amarok rocks too
[11:24] <haider> sorry :)
[11:24] <luksan> that's pretty much what everyone says
[11:24] <Rainier> only thing i miss in xmms is to play videos
[11:24] <sdolnack> Snake: never did do pc gaming much; never did quake
[11:24] <luksan> but there could be some improvements made to amaroK, esp. when it comes to the podcast area
[11:24] <EvilIdler> Amarok keeps crashing on me while updating a network share
[11:24] <sheldonc> Snake: the winamp interface is garbage :) but i like the plugins available for it
[11:24] <sdolnack> Snake: although i'm downloa--I mean, uh, purchasing System Shock 2 as we speak
[11:24] <sdolnack> or type.  whatever
[11:25] <Snake> sdolnack: ah, well yakuake is a drop down terminal that scrolls in for the top the screen when called
[11:25] <Snake> its nice
[11:25] <Snake> from the top**
[11:25] <Snake> sdolnack: SS2 is a GREAT game
[11:25] <ColonelPanic001> damnit, qtparted is crashing when reading this NTFS-formatted drive
[11:25] <Snake> ColonelPanic001: try gparted?
[11:26] <sdolnack> Snake--i hear! I'm very very excited
[11:26] <ColonelPanic001> I jsut want to delete the NTFS partition and reformat it all with ext3 or whatnot
[11:26] <Snake> Gparted seems more stable to me
[11:26] <sdolnack> VERY exccited
[11:26] <ColonelPanic001> I'll try it, Snake, thanks
[11:26] <sdolnack> it's supposed to be like an action/fps/rpg
[11:26] <luksan> ColonelPanic001: you mean reiserfs
[11:26] <sdolnack> AND it runs near-flawlessly in wine from what i've read
[11:26] <sdolnack> i just wish American McGee's alice would too
[11:26] <Snake> WOW wie runs it!?
[11:26] <ColonelPanic001> luksan: just for you, sure. I'll format it with reiser. :P
[11:26] <sdolnack> ss2? it's supposed to
[11:26] <Snake> It wont even run in XP
[11:26] <Snake> lol
[11:26] <Snake> or ME iirc
[11:27] <ColonelPanic001> gparted seems to be okay. thanks!
[11:27] <luksan> ColonelPanic001: just don't use Reiser4
[11:27] <sdolnack> http://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?versionId=2270
[11:27] <EvilIdler> Snake: I've had SS2 running in XP
[11:27] <Snake> Then again dune 2000 doesnt run on windows XP either, wine loves it
[11:27] <sdolnack> damn--looks like someone just tried it today and it's broken
[11:27] <Snake> EvilIdler: but i herd its a biatch
[11:27] <sdolnack> you knoiw what pwns all? Grim freakin Fandango
[11:27] <ColonelPanic001> luksan: ha, I was just about to ask. Why, out of curiosity? I've run resier, but not reiser4 before
[11:27] <ColonelPanic001> and I don't do anything fancy with it anyway, I just use it
[11:27] <EvilIdler> Snake: Never had any problems, but I always keep a nocd handy before I even buy a game :)
[11:28] <Snake> EvilIdler: odd... everyone else in the world needed a XP compt exe
[11:28] <Snake> :P
[11:28] <Snake> brb
[11:28] <ColonelPanic001> luksan: actually, would you mind if I PMed you? Just to keep the channel a bit less crowded.
[11:29] <EvilIdler> Snake: I haven't been using this new-fangled patching nonsense ;)
[11:29] <luksan> ColonelPanic001: i heard reiser4 was unstable
[11:29] <Pupeno> Hello.
[11:29] <luksan> ColonelPanic001: but other than that i don't know anything about it
[11:29] <Pupeno> I can't get php to work. Whenever I try to access a php files it just downloads it. Apache doesn't interpret it.
[11:29] <sdolnack> Pupeno: hello
[11:29] <ColonelPanic001> ah. Good enough
[11:29] <Pupeno> I've installed libapache2-mod-php5, enabled the module, checked the mime types. Apache shows PHP 5 in the signature.
[11:29] <Pupeno> any ideas ?
[11:29] <ColonelPanic001> Pupeno: I would have suggested checking the mime types... :\
[11:29] <ColonelPanic001> heh
[11:30] <Pupeno> ColonelPanic001: done.
[11:30] <ColonelPanic001> this is in ubuntu, right? Stupid question probably, but just checking...
[11:30] <bobesponja> Pupeno: did you try with firefox?
[11:30] <Pupeno> ColonelPanic001: yes, Ubuntu.
[11:30] <ColonelPanic001> I had this problem with gentoo before, but I'm afraid I can't remember the solution I found to work.
[11:30] <sdolnack> do most ppl have a gui for vim, or do they run it in the terminal?
[11:30] <Pupeno> bobesponja: I've tried Epiphany, shouldn't be too diferent.
[11:30] <ColonelPanic001> sdolnack: depsnds on what I'm doing. For most stuff, I use gvim. For quick config file editing and whatnot, just plain vim
[11:30] <bobesponja> Pupeno: did you restarted apache?
[11:30] <Pupeno> outch... firefox works.
[11:31] <Pupeno> bobesponja: several times.
[11:31] <sdolnack> ahh
[11:31] <sdolnack> what you like about gvim over kate or kwrite?
[11:31] <bobesponja> Pupeno: then you need to check konqueror file type assoc
[11:31] <sdolnack> wow--that was really friggin fast, opening a file in vim
[11:32] <sdolnack> imma use this from now on instead of kwrite
[11:32] <ColonelPanic001> vim is spiffy :D
[11:32] <Pupeno> bobesponja: I wasn't using konqueror, I was using epiphany.
[11:32] <Pupeno> thanks anyway.
[11:33] <sdolnack> no it's not.  VIM is about as unspiffy as you can get
[11:33] <sdolnack> but it's fast
[11:33] <Snake> lol
[11:33] <ColonelPanic001> I like vim.
[11:33] <ColonelPanic001> We must fight to the death.
[11:33] <ColonelPanic001> :P
[11:33] <Snake> sdolnack: as I said, vim is good if you know how to use it/how to configure it
[11:33] <GullyFoyle> anyone know how i can get dapper to recognize my soundcard?  it stopped working when i "upgraded" to dapper
[11:33] <bobesponja> Pupeno: ok then the problem was with epiphany obviously :)
[11:33] <sdolnack> now someone needs to make a vi mod called vigor
[11:33] <sdolnack> and we're set
[11:33] <ColonelPanic001> sdolnack: I don't think any browser should ever be able to get php source, though. I'd still expect a server-side problem somehow
[11:34] <sdolnack> ColonelPanic001: what do you mean?
[11:34] <Snake> Woah woah woah.... what browser can boost PHP source?
[11:34] <EvilIdler> Yeah, if you're fed PHP source, it's a server config problem
[11:34] <ColonelPanic001> exactly
[11:34] <sdolnack> i'm konfused
[11:34] <ColonelPanic001> The server should be execting it before the browser ever sees it
[11:34] <Snake> If your GIVIN PHP source, the server isnt running PHP
[11:34] <ColonelPanic001> Apache shouldn't ever send it.
[11:35] <ColonelPanic001> either PHP isn't running, or there's some config problem
[11:35] <Snake> yea
[11:35] <bobesponja> did you actually try to download the PHP and check if it showed the sourced? maybe it only show the generated HTML or a blank file
[11:36] <Snake> Brb I gotta read this article
[11:36] <l_r> i do not remember where i can access the multimedia configuration dialog box (to choose the backend between xine, totem, etc...). any idea?
[11:36] <sdolnack> so now that i've gotten from pushing the power button to using apps to like 60 seconds w/ kubuntu..... how do i do that w/ xp too? :-P
[11:36] <sdolnack> dont' you all LOVE how XP's desktop comes up and you can move the mouse, but you still can't open or run programs for like 30 seconds?
[11:37] <Snake> sdolnack: KDE 3.5.3 is like that, it makes me sad :(
[11:37] <Snake> sdolnack: you can see your desktop, but its still "loading"
[11:37] <EvilIdler> sdolnack: Signs of a system in active use ;)
[11:37] <Snake> but 5.3 is fast as a hell
[11:37] <RogueJediX> sdolnack: Popup speech bubbles. You forgot those. My personal favourite peeve
[11:37] <luksan> 5.3
[11:37] <Snake> as a hell... that sounds like a bad translaton
[11:37] <Snake> :P
[11:37] <sdolnack> kde 3.5.3 is like that and 3.5.2 is not?
[11:37] <luksan> i haven't had a chance to get that one yet ;-)
[11:37] <Snake> sdolnack: correct
[11:38] <sdolnack> wtf would they do that for
[11:38] <sdolnack> that's one of the things i looooove about linux!!
[11:38] <sdolnack> let's all complain so they'll remove this
[11:38] <Snake> same
[11:38] <Snake> I think theres a setting somewhere, i hear, but I cant find it
[11:38] <l_r> where can i choose the backend multimedia playback from within the kde dialog boxes?
[11:38] <sdolnack> how fast is 5.3? i mean i just installed linux a week ago
[11:38] <Snake> Very fast
[11:38] <sdolnack> i doubt i've installed that much software that it'd run noticeably faster
[11:38] <Snake> Very very fast.
[11:39] <Snake> sdolnack: heres my comp
[11:39] <Snake> Sysinfo for 'dapper': Linux 2.6.15-23-386 running KDE 3.5.3, CPU: PentiumIII(Coppermine) at 647 MHz (1295 bogomips), , RAM: 497/503MB, 110 proc's, 3.5d up
[11:39] <Snake> and I noticed a HUGE speed boost
[11:39] <raven301> !repositories
[11:39] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource.
[11:39] <sdolnack> can vmware be used to run win on linux?
[11:39] <raven301> !easysource
[11:39] <ubotu> For an easy to use custom sources.list creator, visit http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[11:39] <Snake> yes
[11:39] <sdolnack> Snake: is there a sysinfo command?
[11:39] <Snake> ubotu: tell raven301 about message the bot
[11:40] <sdolnack> !botsnack
[11:40] <ubotu> :)
[11:40] <Snake> sdolnack: whatcha mean?
[11:40] <Snake> sdolnack: to display what I just did?
[11:40] <sdolnack> can i type something in terminal that'll spit that info out in a neat little package?
[11:40] <sdolnack> yeah
[11:40] <sdolnack> to display what you just did
[11:40] <sdolnack> how's vmware work running windows on linux?  compared to wine?
[11:40] <Snake> sdolnack: thats a script in konversation, but you can get the same results using things like "top" and "uname -a"
[11:41] <sdolnack> Sysinfo for 'Yggdrasil': Linux 2.6.15-23-686 running KDE 3.5.2, CPU: Intel(R)Pentium(R)Mprocessor1.60GHz at 798 MHz (1597 bogomips), , RAM: 762/1010MB, 124 proc's, 1.1d up
[11:41] <sdolnack> oh wow!!
[11:41] <ColonelPanic001> hehe
[11:41] <Snake> :)
[11:41] <ColonelPanic001> I just discovered that today, too
[11:41] <TMS\> hi, utf8 is all nice and all that, but how do I go about changing to 8859-15?
[11:41] <sdolnack> 3.5.2... i'm in the stoneage
[11:41] <sdolnack> haha
[11:41] <Snake> Uptime: 3 days, 5 hours and 53 minutes
[11:41] <Snake> rofl
[11:41] <l_r> where can i find the dialog box to choose the multimedia backend? i remember i saw one somewhere, but i cannot find it anymore in the various kde menus
[11:41] <sdolnack> how does my system look everyone??!!
[11:41] <sdolnack> how ridiculous is it that i have a gig of ram and a 1.6ghz processor
[11:41] <sdolnack> can you say "wasted potential"?
[11:41] <Snake> sdolnack: about a year old
[11:41] <Snake> :-P
[11:42] <sdolnack> a year to the month, i believe
[11:42] <Snake> damn im good
[11:42] <sdolnack> well I'M running the 686 kernel so HA!
[11:42] <John-Z> does yakuake do true transparency?
[11:42] <sdolnack> nothing does
[11:42] <sdolnack> without xgl
[11:42] <sdolnack> apparentl
[11:42] <sdolnack> y
[11:42] <raven301> Snake: Did I do something wrong?
[11:43] <John-Z> what is xgl?
[11:43] <samuli> TMS\: do you mean in irc or in general?
[11:43] <Snake> ubotu: tell John-Z about XGL
[11:43] <Snake> John-Z: check ur msgs
[11:43] <sdolnack> cna anyone do ubotu commands?
[11:43] <sdolnack> or just you
[11:43] <samuli> everyone
[11:43] <RogueJediX> ubotu: tell me about xgl
[11:43] <Snake> Anyone
[11:44] <Ademan> anyone here use svn with kdevelop?
[11:44] <Snake> sdolnack: im just a regular user like you :) :P
[11:44] <TMS\> samuli: in general
[11:44] <sdolnack> w00t
[11:44] <sdolnack> ubotu: tell RogueJediX about XGL
[11:44] <Snake> ....
[11:44] <Snake> sdolnack: dont abuse it
[11:44] <RogueJediX> sdolnack: Thanks, but I got it already
[11:44] <sdolnack> i know haha
[11:45] <sdolnack> 'twill be abused not
[11:45] <sdolnack> god i love this linux thing
[11:45] <Snake> oo time to help someone on qunu with ubuntu
[11:45] <Snake> brb
[11:45] <sdolnack> so would you recommend, uh, "upgrading" to 5.3?
[11:45] <Snake> sdolnack: are you on dapper?
[11:45] <Stage> The success of a operating system like Linux depends much on the community.
[11:46] <Stage> I've made bad experience with Linux-Community today... :-(
[11:46] <Ademan> sdolnack: what does he want? he should wait for AIGLX imho
[11:46] <Stage> Maybe because I've asked the german Linux-Users?
[11:46] <Ademan> Stage: what happened?
[11:46] <crimsun_> Stage: the community is comprised of "people", so of course you may have great and awful experiences.
[11:46] <Stage> Some people just told me a big piece of shit.
[11:47] <sdolnack> Snake: i am on dapper
[11:47] <sdolnack> Ademan: waht does who want?
[11:47] <Snake> sdolnack: then read this
[11:47] <Ademan> sdolnack: RogueJediX
[11:47] <Snake> ubotu: tell sdolnack about kde3.5.3
[11:47] <RogueJediX> Yeah, Ademan?
[11:47] <Ademan> Stage: are you having a problem?
[11:47] <ColonelPanic001> btw, thanks for all the help guys. I'm pretty impressed by the ease of use in Kubuntu.
[11:47] <sdolnack> kde3.5.3 is, like, totally, to upgrade to KDE3.5.3
[11:47] <John-Z> snake, thanks. Im installing xgl now.
[11:47] <sdolnack> that makes no sense
[11:47] <Ademan> RogueJediX: I was wondering what your question about XGL was
[11:47] <sdolnack> John-Z: what vid card you have?
[11:48] <John-Z> Does anyone have a ATI driver config I can use for my XGL setup.
[11:48] <Stage> I had a problem but at the moment everything seems to be working.
[11:48] <John-Z> ati
[11:48] <sdolnack> Ademan: he wondered what it was
[11:48] <RogueJediX> Ademan: Nothing, just taking a look, is all
[11:48] <TMS\> samuli?
[11:48] <sdolnack> John-Z:  i think you have to use fglrx
[11:48] <John-Z> Yep.
[11:48] <samuli> TMS\: sorry, dude I don't know how to.
[11:48] <raven301> What do you do with this error http://pastebin.com/703399 when you run apt-get update ??
[11:48] <John-Z> I installed it.
[11:48] <Stage> Instead of using my Laptop for routing into Wireless LAN, I've plugged a cable between router and desktop.
[11:48] <Ademan> RogueJediX: oh, i'd reccomend against just just fyi
[11:48] <John-Z> But I need to edit my xorg.. the wiki didnt include an ATI secion, just nvidia
[11:48] <sdolnack> RogueJediX: me too, at the moment; give it a few months and then come back.  i'ts not very stable atm
[11:48] <RogueJediX> Ademan: Yeah, I've heard it's a bit unstable at the moment
[11:49] <samuli> TMS\: probably a single command in terminal is all you need to do, search google :)
[11:49] <sdolnack> hahaha took the words right outta my fingers
[11:49] <Ademan> RogueJediX: well not only that, AIGLX looks far more promising, a lot of the community has a lot of big problems with XGL
[11:49] <Stage> I need the connection first to do a full update and then install the drivers for my USB-WLAN-Dongle on desktop.
[11:49] <RogueJediX> Yeah, I read my RSS feeds. I'm l33t :P
[11:49] <RogueJediX> Ademan: What's the difference between it and xgl?
[11:50] <Stage> So my first idea was to use the laptop for routing and doing it without plugging a cable between desktop and router.
[11:50] <samuli> raven301: you need to get the keys for those repositories
[11:50] <Ademan> RogueJediX: the fundamental approach they take to achieving those special compositioning effects
[11:50] <ColonelPanic001> RogueJediX: kan u teach m3 2 reed rss so I kan b |337? :P
[11:50] <samuli> raven301: might be easier just to chance your repositories to something that won't need the keys.
[11:51] <raven301> samuli: I used http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[11:51] <sdolnack> Sysinfo for 'Yggdrasil': Linux 2.6.15-23-686 running KDE 3.5.2, CPU: Intel(R)Pentium(R)Mprocessor1.60GHz at 798 MHz (1597 bogomips), , RAM: 822/1010MB, 127 proc's, 1.1d up
[11:51] <samuli> raven301: do it again and use country near to you.
[11:51] <TMS\> samuli: yes, Ive searched for like 30 minutes now
[11:51] <raven301> samuli: I did
[11:51] <raven301> that
[11:51] <RogueJediX> ColonelPanic001: N0 w4y, d00d. Th3n th3r3'd b3 2 1337s. W3 w00ldn't be 1337, w3'd b3 2674
[11:51] <TMS\> its not like I didnt do that before coming in here
[11:52] <ColonelPanic001> I can't even read that :(
[11:52] <ColonelPanic001> lol
[11:52] <Ademan> RogueJediX: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/RenderingProject/aiglx   and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIGLX
[11:52] <samuli> TMS\: right, sorry dude :)
[11:52] <RogueJediX> Ademan: Thanks
[11:52] <RogueJediX> ColonelPanic001: Good. Because it took me like a minute to type it :)
[11:52] <Ademan> RogueJediX: no problem, AIGLX is even less mature than XGL, but i think its way more promising
[11:53] <samuli> TMS\: something I came up with quick googling: charset="ISO-8859-15"
[11:54] <sdolnack> what's the name of the kde 3.5.3 pkg?
[11:54] <ports> grr
[11:54] <sdolnack> i can't find it on adept
[11:54] <Snake> sdolnack: just do what the page says, you dont need to know the name
[11:54] <RogueJediX> sdolnack: I think you have to add an extra repository for it
[11:54] <ports> there was a guide to installing ndiswrapper and a broadcom card for Breezy on the Ubuntuforums.org website.. anyone remember it?
[11:55] <Snake> !ndiswrapper
[11:55] <ubotu> well, ndiswrapper is a way to support Windows wireless drivers, but it is buggy compared to native support. More info at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WifiDocs/Driver/Ndiswrapper
[11:55] <Snake> :)
[11:55] <Bassetts> whats the teminal equivlent of IPCONFIG /RENEW
[11:55] <Snake> ifconfig
[11:56] <Snake> actually
[11:56] <Snake> sudo dhclient
[11:56] <TMS\> samuli: doesnt work
[11:56] <Bassetts> ok
[11:56] <Stage> sudo /etc/initr.d/./networking restart does a complete reinitialization of all network interfaces, right?
[11:56] <exhale> does anyone have some tip on getting a scratched cd-rw to work?
[11:56] <Bassetts> Snake, is it possible to change my modems ip
[11:56] <samuli> sdnolnack, you need to add kde 3.5.3 dapper repository to your sources.list and then update.
[11:57] <sdolnack> ohhhh duh i'm so out o fit today
[11:57] <Snake> Bassetts: sudo ifconfig <device name here> <ip here>
[11:57] <sdolnack> Snake: do you recommend upgrading?
[11:57] <sdolnack> Snake: you personally?
[11:57] <Stage> exhale: try another drive or put it in the freezer for some minutes.
[11:57] <Bassetts> Snake: e.g the equiv of this: http://forums.ntlhell.co.uk/index.php?s=&showtopic=43330&view=findpost&p=185458
[11:57] <exhale> hmm freezer eye..
[11:57] <xenblend> hey can anyone tell me why, on dapper, the mouse pointer turns into a large white square??
[11:57] <exhale> Stage, should i put it in the freezer before or *after* i wrote to it?
[11:58] <samuli> sdolnack: check the instructions on www.kde.org.. To me it was worth upgrading.
[11:58] <Stage> before you want to read from it.
[11:58] <Snake> sdolnack: I would, but remeber those on the cutting edge should expect to bleed, I offer no guarentees of a clean upgrade
[11:58] <exhale> k.. thx
[11:58] <xenblend> hey can anyone tell me why, on dapper, the mouse pointer turns into a large white square??
[11:58] <ports> grr
[11:58] <samuli> sdolnack: kde 3.5.3 is a bit faster and is mainly a bug fix release so it should be ok.
[11:59] <xst> After I upgraded to dapper my firefox keeps crashing all the time. That is, it stalls. Anyone else having this problem?
[11:59] <exhale> how come 3.5.3 hasnt been added to the official repos?
[11:59] <Bassetts> Snake is there commands like that in terminal?
[11:59] <sdolnack> iunno
[11:59] <sdolnack> xst: use swiftfox
[11:59] <sdolnack> you'll thank me for it ;-)
[11:59] <exhale> what the heck if that lol
[11:59] <Snake> Bassetts: one second
[11:59] <Bassetts> ipconfig/release and
[11:59] <Bassetts> renew
[11:59] <samuli> exhale, probably because dapper development team didn't have time to thoroughly test it.
[11:59] <Snake> exhale: we dont update anything until the next release, we lock down the repos after release
[11:59] <exhale> well, he has no reason to run it unless he's running an amd cpu
[12:00] <exhale> Snake, :(
[12:00] <Snake> exhale: then were sure that the release is stable
[12:00] <Snake> exhale: you can still upgrade yourself though if you want
[12:00] <Snake> !+kde3.5.3
[12:00] <ubotu> somebody said kde3.5.3 was to upgrade to KDE3.5.3, Follow the instructions at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-353.php (add the deb...line to your sources.list). Then "sudo apt-get update" and "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade".
[12:00] <samuli> Snake, that's not quite true.. backports will have updated programs and I'm sure kde will find it's way there.
[12:00] <exhale> Snake, let me suggest that you  let firefox in by default on next release :)
[12:01] <Snake> samuli: tru.dat
[12:01] <samuli> exhale, Why would anyone want that? :D
[12:01] <samuli> exhale, it's slow and unstable in kde.
[12:01] <Snake> exhale: actually I believe we DID allow firefox 1.5.4 into the repos
[12:01] <exhale> well... why would anyone want to use the #2 most populair webbrowser? :D
[12:01] <Stage> I would find it good if the linux-wlan-ng-driver package would be in default.
[12:01] <exhale> Snake, its in the repos but not installed
[12:01] <Snake> Bassetts: im not really sure. :( sorry
[12:01] <sdolnack> Snake: i put the source in the sources list, and now it says there are 82 pkgs upgradeable; do I just upgrade them to upgrade to 3.5.3?
[12:01] <Snake> exhale: its not part of the Kubuntu-desktop
[12:02] <Bassetts> ok Snake
[12:02] <flo> question about the whole package idea... let's say i want to install banshee on my system i do apt-get install banshee. it will automatically select some more pack. for it to work...
[12:02] <samuli> sdolnack: yeah.
[12:02] <exhale> yea but other kde distros include it
[12:02] <Snake> exhale: its technically part of gnome, so it is around with ubuntu
[12:02] <flo> that's great so far...
[12:02] <samuli> sdolnack: might as well do sudo apt-get dist-upgrade to be on the safe side.
[12:02] <flo> but now what if i want to remove banshee ? i do apt-get remove banshee but it will only remove banshee not the pack. that came with it..
[12:03] <xenblend> have multiple desktops been taken out in kde dapper?
[12:03] <Snake> sdolnack: update them all
[12:03] <sdolnack> safe side? what's unsafe about adept?
[12:03] <thoreauputic> flo: deborphan and debfoster are your friends :)