[12:14] <mdke> evening
[12:15] <mdke> LaserJock: lots like a cat doc to me
[12:27] <mpt> mdke, a veterinarian? :-)
[12:27] <mdke> mpt: :)
[12:28] <mpt> mdke, when is the Great Wiki Switchover?
[12:28] <mdke> mpt: when Karl gets round to it :/
[12:28] <mpt> oh, so it will be done by script?
[12:28] <mdke> mpt: yes, spiv has done a script
[12:28] <mdke> all is in readiness
[12:29] <mpt> ok
[12:29] <mdke> he just has to find the time
[12:31] <LaserJock> ok, in epiphany, when I start typing a url it gives me a list
[12:32] <crimsun_> is LP reachable for anyone?
[12:32] <LaserJock> but if I click on one it goes to that URL rather then just putting it in the Location bar
[12:32] <mdke> LaserJock: yes, annoying 
[12:32] <mpt> crimsun_, yes, but you're the second person today to claim that it isn't
[12:32] <LaserJock> crimsun_: yes
[12:32] <mpt> crimsun_, where are you?
[12:32] <mpt> (geographically)
[12:32] <mdke> crimsun_: it has been very slow for me today, perhaps some of the servers aren't working
[12:33] <LaserJock> mdke: is there a way around that? it is quite annoying for me
[12:33] <mdke> it takes a minute or so to respond
[12:33] <mdke> LaserJock: not that I know of...
[12:34] <LaserJock> hmm, that is enough for me to ditch it for now, to bad, I was starting to really like it :/
[12:34] <mdke> maybe there is a way, I haven't investigated
[12:34] <mdke> mpt will know
[12:41] <crimsun_> mpt: east coast USA. It was a local routing issue.
[12:48] <LaserJock> crimsun_: hehe, I've got the d-d gmane feed now :-)
[12:49] <Burgundavia> mdke: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GraphicsApplications?action=diff <-- interesting navigate icon. I think I like it
[12:50] <mpt> I'd prefer an arrow
[12:50] <mpt> as in "Here be the instructions"
[12:50] <Burgundavia> but arrows don't convey that you need the menu
[12:50] <mdke> wtf is it?
[12:51] <mpt> heh
[12:51] <mdke> well, it's a menu
[12:51] <mdke> but it's not obvious that it is
[12:51] <mdke> it looks like a street sign
[12:51] <mpt> It's a restaurant order!
[12:51] <mpt> It's very well drawn and shaded and colored and everything
[12:52] <mpt> just not that useful :-/
[12:52] <mpt> It would be better as an icon for "Menu bar" in glade or gazpacho
[12:53] <Burgundavia> I think that is what it is from
[12:53] <Burgundavia> mdke: we need to do something about this welcome centre idea
[12:54] <mdke> Burgundavia: I chatted to Simon yesterday about it
[12:54] <Burgundavia> sweet
[12:54] <Burgundavia> what was the outcome?
[12:54] <mdke> no real outcome, he is going to catch up with the student a bit more, so far they haven't been in touch much
[12:55] <Burgundavia> ok, good
[12:55] <Burgundavia> because the wiki and forums are exploding with ideas (mostly useless)
[12:56] <mdke> yes, I noticed that people had been muscling in on it
[12:56] <mdke> is that with the approval of the student, or are they just being pushy?
[12:56] <Burgundavia> no idea
[12:56] <Burgundavia> the "welcome centre" idea seems to come up about once a release
[12:56] <mdke> it's the sort of project that will get people excited
[12:57] <Burgundavia> looky! everybody will see my words!
[12:57] <mdke> yes.
[12:57] <Burgundavia> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=192695&highlight=centre
[12:57] <mdke> well Simon understood that the words should probably be in the docteam's domain
[12:58] <Burgundavia> just a sec, hanging up laundry
[01:10] <Burgundavia> back
[01:25] <Burgundavia> LaserJock: thoughts? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WelcomeToPython
[01:27] <Burgundavia> mdke: should I kill this? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/forum/software/OpenSource/MakeMoneyHowto?highlight=%28CategoryCleanup%29
[01:29] <mdke> Burgundavia: I don't know, someone has obviously spent some time on it. But it's not very helpful at the moment
[01:30] <Burgundavia> rofl "The goodness of software is in how well it serves people. Not in anything
[01:30] <Burgundavia> else. It's not some kind of masturbatory exercise for its own sake."
[01:30] <Burgundavia> Linus to Mike Hearn on desktop-architects
[01:30] <Burgundavia> ahh, written by azz
[01:48] <LaserJock> Burgundavia: well, I'm working on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuScriptingDoc
[02:09] <LaserJock> Burgundavia: that Python page would be better as a set of links to Python resources and a perhaps a description of what python packages are installed by default
[03:32] <Burgundavia> LaserJock: cool
[03:32] <nixternal> whats up ya'll
[03:34] <nixternal> went to lowes, home depot, and menards today...going to do some rewiring of the house to add some extra outlets, and run audio/video to every room now...i didn't want to leave...i would go down an aisle and a new project would come to mind
[03:34] <nixternal> them places are evil
[03:34] <Burgundavia> yes, they are
[03:35] <nixternal> it should have only cost me $200 max for everything i needed...lets just say i didn't even come close to that
[03:38] <LaserJock> Burgundavia: cool, WRT my spec?
[03:39] <LaserJock> or that Python page
[03:41] <Burgundavia> LaserJock: both
[03:43] <LaserJock> Burgundavia: I could use some feedback on the spec, it is obviously not complete
[03:43] <LaserJock> i.e. help me if you want ;-)
[03:44] <Burgundavia> sure, I will take a peek
[03:44] <jsgotangco> good morning
[03:44] <LaserJock> hi jsgotangco 
[03:44] <Burgundavia> hey jsgotangco
[03:45] <jsgotangco> so what's the difference between flashplugin-nonfree and getting the tgz from adobe itself?
[03:45] <Burgundavia> nothing
[03:45] <Burgundavia> except the .deb downloads the tar.gz
[03:45] <jsgotangco> doh
[03:47] <LaserJock> and does debconf magic
[03:49] <nixternal> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15502
[03:50] <nixternal> nice
[03:50] <LaserJock> heh
[03:51] <Burgundavia> so now you are going to pirate that music. What a terribly smart move
[03:51] <linuxmonkey> lol
[03:52] <nixternal> can't even watch mtv...i will never ever watch mtv again..i shall boycott them
[03:52] <nixternal> i used to be able to watch videos and what not there...just a few weeks ago as a matter of fact
[03:52] <linuxmonkey> lmao
[03:53] <nixternal> they had some decent concerts from back in the day on overdrive
[03:53] <nixternal> i can't even access the page
[07:50] <rob> http://www.linuxtopia.org/online_books/system_administration_books/ubuntu_starter_guide/index.html
[07:50] <rob> intresting how it made it there
[07:54] <Burgundavia> rob: cool
[08:06] <jsgotangco> well the licenses allow so
[08:07] <Burgundavia> and they do include the licenses
[08:07] <rob> yep
[08:07] <jsgotangco> and that's a good thing (tm)
[08:07] <crimsun_> coverage++
[08:08] <Burgundavia> interesting looking at google analytics
[08:08] <rob> thats the breezy version though..
[08:08] <Burgundavia> we are an order of magnitude higher than any other distro, which bears out data from distrowatch
[08:09] <rob> yeah that google thing is pretty neat, shame it doesn't actually give numbers though
[08:57] <Madpilot> hi all
[08:58] <Wesselaar> goodmorning
[08:59] <Madpilot> one minute away from being morning here :)
[08:59] <Wesselaar> its 9 am here
[09:01] <Madpilot> OK, it's now morning here
[09:02] <Wesselaar> congratulations :-)
[09:03] <Plug> meh.  I'm at 7pm tomorrow already :)
[09:26] <joachim-n> morning
[10:12] <nixternal`zzz> g'nite
[04:08] <Kaiser_Away> now the wiki has become open content does that mean peoples personal page/s are open as well?
[04:19] <robotgeek> Kaiser_Away: i dont think we are moving personal pages
[04:20] <Kaiser_Away> robotgeek, so those will be... under <current licence>?
[04:20] <robotgeek> Kaiser_Away: not sure
[04:21] <Kaiser_Away> robotgeek, nmn. ok thanks.
[04:29] <mdke> Kaiser_Away: yep, in theory. But the wiki hasn't become open content yet
[04:30] <Kaiser_Away> mdke, really? i thought it just happened recently. my bad :/
[04:33] <jsgotangco> hi
[04:46] <Kaiser_Away> hi jsgotangco 
[06:45] <matthewrevell> chown --recursive www-data:www-data ./conf
[06:45] <matthewrevell> chown --recursive www-data:www-data ./extensions
[06:45] <matthewrevell> chown --recursive www-data:www-data ./languages
[06:45] <matthewrevell> chown --recursive www-data:www-data ./themes
[06:45] <matthewrevell> bollocks, wrong window
[06:45] <matthewrevell> sorry
[07:43] <mgalvin> hi all
[07:44] <nixternal> hey mgalvin
[07:45] <mgalvin> man there is so much random stuff on -users
[07:46] <nixternal> it seems to grow too
[07:46] <mgalvin> yea the amount of traffic has gone up so much the past few weeks
[07:54] <matthewrevell> howdy
[08:02] <mgalvin> matthewrevell: hey!
[08:04] <mgalvin> mdke: are there any Italian translations floating around for the UWN issues, it would be nice to link to them if there are
[09:04] <mdke> mgalvin: not sure if they are done yet.
[09:04] <mgalvin> ok