[12:03] <tseng> bluefoxicy: ok
[12:03] <bluefoxicy> tseng:  thanks.
[12:04] <bddebian> Heya bmonty, tseng
[12:04] <tseng> hi
[12:16] <LaserJock> hmm, I just got beagle to work, neat
[12:17] <tseng> yay beagle
[12:17] <LaserJock> I'm not sure if I'm using it right, but it seams to work
[12:18] <tseng> it autostarts now
[12:18] <tseng> and then you just do a search
[12:18] <LaserJock> oh
[12:19] <LaserJock> I looked on the beagle website
[12:19] <LaserJock> so I did beagled, beagle-index-info, beagle-search
[12:20] <tseng> beagled will just exit
[12:20] <tseng> as its already running
[12:20] <LaserJock> is beagle-search the right way to search?
[12:20] <LaserJock> I see that the deskbar-applet can use Beagle, does that work?
[12:24] <bockman> hi crimsun_, i was wondering if you were making any headway on the openvpn bug in Breezy/Hoary?  (Bug #45827)
[12:24] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 45827 in openvpn "openvpn old security problems (Breezy)" [Medium,In progress]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/45827
[12:29] <crimsun_> bockman: I've already sent a diff to security-review and will ping pitti about it on Monday.
[12:29] <bockman> excellent, thank you very much
[12:50] <ReMink> Hello all !
[12:51] <ReMink> When I want to launch "dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot", my shell says : dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: bison libssl-dev libglib2.0-dev ....
[12:51] <ReMink> BUT ! In my control file, I've always this
[12:53] <crimsun_> ReMink: you don't have them installed.
[12:53] <ReMink> crimsun_: I must install this ?
[12:53] <ReMink> On my system ?
[12:54] <crimsun_> ReMink: there's a difference between having them listed in debian/control:Build-Depends and having them installed{,in the chroot}
[12:55] <ReMink> Ok crimsun_
[12:59] <tseng> who is daemon@poleboy.de ?
[12:59] <tseng> on REVU
[01:00] <ReMink> crimsun_: Now :
[01:00] <ReMink> applying patch 09_browser to ./ ... failed.
[01:00] <ReMink> make: *** [patch-stamp]  Erreur 1
[01:00] <ReMink> :/
[01:02] <ReMink> crimsun_: Can you help me ?
[01:02] <crimsun_> tseng: that's sistpoty
[01:02] <crimsun_> Stefan Potyra
[01:02] <tseng> oh
[01:02] <tseng> ok.
[01:03] <tseng> thanks.
[01:03] <crimsun_> np
[01:04] <ReMink> crimsun_ ... ?
[01:05] <crimsun_> ReMink: you haven't given me any context
[01:06] <ReMink> crimsun_: I'm creating Xchat 2.6.4 (.deb)
[01:06] <ReMink> crimsun_: And, when I launch dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot
[01:06] <ReMink> I've this message
[01:07] <ReMink> crimsun_: simply
[01:09] <ReMink> crimsun_: Understand you this error ? :/
[01:09] <crimsun_> ReMink: you're doing it the difficult way
[01:09] <crimsun_> apt-get source xchat and uupdate
[01:10] <ReMink> And ..
[01:10] <crimsun_> resolve any conflicts by checking debian/patches
[01:10] <crimsun_> there may well be fixes in debian/patches that have been included upstream
[01:10] <crimsun_> then roll the 2.6.4 deb
[01:11] <crimsun_> the patch error is pretty straight-forward; look at the reject
[01:11] <ReMink> crimsun_: How to roll the 2.6.4.dev ... :/
[01:12] <ReMink> I don't learned like tha
[01:12] <ReMink> I don't learned like that *
[01:12] <crimsun_> ugh, I may as well do this.
[01:13] <ReMink> mhmh
[01:13] <ReMink> So, I go in my bed :o)
[01:13] <ReMink> dimanche 11 juin 2006, 01:13:51 (UTC+0200)
[01:13] <ReMink> In france
[01:14] <ReMink> crimsun_: thanks
[01:14] <Toadstool> wow that so late... I'd better go to bed too :)
[01:14] <Toadstool> g'night everybody
[01:14] <crimsun_> uh, well, I /was/ going to walk him through it...
[01:14] <crimsun_> 'night Toadstool
[01:15] <tseng> Ubugtu: bug 49192
[01:15] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 49192 in libgcrypt11 "libgcrypt11 has an executable stack" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/49192
[01:32] <ajmitch> hello
[01:33] <bddebian> Heya ajmitch
[01:36] <rob> when using dh_make the maintainer name I'm getting is 'root' despite not even being root at the time, is there a way of changing this?
[01:37] <bddebian> rob: What did you put in the changelog?
[01:37] <rob> nothing yet, I'm just following http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/basic-debhelper.html
[01:38] <bddebian> what did you pass to -e <address> ?
[01:38] <rob> my usual email address
[01:38] <rob> this is being done in a chroot (so not touching the host system)
[01:39] <bddebian> Oh, for maintainer name it is probably picking up your username
[01:39] <rob> my username in the chroot is still rob though..
[01:39] <rob> I trued using chfn to edit it within the chroot
[01:40] <rob> s/trued/tried
[01:40] <bddebian> Hmm
[01:41] <rob> maybe I should edit the changlog first?
[01:42] <bddebian> There shouldn't be a debian/changelog yet
[01:42] <rob> yeah there isn't
[01:43] <bddebian> WTF?  I don't even have dh_make??
[01:44] <rob> its within its own package I think
[01:44] <rob> dh-make
[01:44] <Kyral> well, bddebian is god
[01:44] <Kyral> so bddebian doesn't NEED dh_make :P
[01:44] <rob> hehe
[01:45] <Kyral> oh bddebian I compiled my first proggy on HURD successfully
[01:45] <bddebian> Kyral: Nice
[01:45] <bddebian> Why isn't dh-make in debhelper?
[01:45] <Kyral> I dunno if anyone has done it, but MuttNG compiles and works on HURD
[01:47] <LaserJock> bddebian: because dh-make can be used without debhelper I suppose
[01:47] <rob> ah, got it. I just set $DEBFULLNAME to my full name and it picked it up
[01:47] <Kyral> rob: then thoust will love Perl
[01:47] <Kyral> rob: all the documentation is in manpages :D
[01:47] <rob> heh nah I'm a python guy
[01:47] <Kyral> rob: Well, I'm trying to learn Python
[01:48] <bddebian> rob: :-)
[01:48] <rob> Dive into Python is pretty good
[01:48] <Kyral> but then again I'm also learning sed, grep, awk, bash, and perl at the same time
[01:48] <rob> regular-expressions.info
[01:48] <Kyral> I made a joke, but I am beginning to think it is more of a truism
[01:48] <rob> I think thats it, thats really helpfull
[01:48] <LaserJock> Kyral: I'm working on a Scripting for Ubuntu doc spec, I'm not sure if it will happen
[01:49] <Kyral> "You know you are a programmer when you all you need to pick up a new language is to read one of OReilly's "In A Nutshell" books"
[01:49] <Kyral> LaserJock: right now my opinion of the DocTeam is nil
[01:49] <LaserJock> oh yeah?
[01:50] <Kyral> Corey went and removed all references to "sudo apt-get install" on the Fluxbox wikipage
[01:50] <rob> Kyral, how come?
[01:50] <rob> heh..
[01:50] <LaserJock> yeah, what's wrong with that?
[01:50] <rob> wasn't me!
[01:50] <Kyral> Easy, it sends the impression that the official stance is that the command line is something to be avoided
[01:51] <Kyral> and you KNOW my opinion on such
[01:51] <LaserJock> it isn't so much CLI vs. GUI
[01:51] <LaserJock> we had people doing a s/apt-get/aptitude/
[01:51] <tseng> crimsun_: still here?
[01:51] <Kyral> if you say Synaptic is a better tool I will sed you out of existance
[01:52] <Kyral> LaserJock: it was Corey, the changelog said it was
[01:52] <LaserJock> yes
[01:52] <LaserJock> but we had people fighting over apt-get vs. aptitude
[01:52] <bddebian> Kyral: Hey, try gc on Hurd for me! ;-P
[01:52] <LaserJock> so we decided to take out specifc package manager references
[01:52] <Kyral> so you put in Synaptic? :P
[01:52] <Kyral> Hypocrit :P
[01:52] <LaserJock> no
[01:53] <LaserJock> nobody put in Synaptic did they?
[01:53] <Kyral> hehe okay I overreacted
[01:53] <Kyral> I saw "Synaptic" in a + line :P
[01:54] <LaserJock> we are just saying: "install X, Y, Z packages" rather than telling how
[01:54] <Kyral> Then we have people asking how :P
[01:54] <LaserJock> because no matter what we put somebody is going to be pissed off
[01:54] <Kyral> Welcome to the world :P
[01:54] <Kyral> my name is Chris "Kyral" Peterman, resident since October 4th 1985 :P
[01:54] <tseng> crimsun_: i need a hint what to do here, on my desktop i will be happily playing a song and it will suddenly do this thing where it gets stuck on 2 notes like a broken record
[01:55] <Kyral> bddebian: gc?
[01:55] <tseng> crimsun_: killing the app will eventually stop the audio, but it doesnt unbreak it
[01:55] <bddebian> Hans Broehms garbage collector
[01:55] <Kyral> bddebian: oh does Hurd still have that little glitch about not seeing more than 2 GB of HD space?
[01:55] <bddebian> No
[01:55] <Kyral> bddebian: linkage?
[01:55] <bddebian> linkage?
[01:55] <Kyral> link to the place where I can download it
[01:56] <bddebian> apt-get source gc
[01:56] <LaserJock> Kyral: so try not to be too mad at the doc team, we were just trying to be consistent and not favor and package manager
[01:56] <Kyral> or an ftp site (I LOVE that translator!!)
[01:56] <Kyral> bddebian: I'll do it on Monday
[01:56] <Kyral> bddebian: remind me :P
[01:56] <bddebian> :-)
[01:56] <Kyral> Tomorrow == Church
[01:56] <Kyral> which means
[01:56] <Kyral> DAY OF REST!!!
[01:58] <bddebian> Oh, hmm, source package is libgc
[02:46] <rob> hmm how can I make my gpg keys available in my chroot?
[02:49] <LaserJock> I use dchroot -d and bindmount my /home
[02:50] <rob> I have /home mounted in my chroot, but I'm getting gpg: WARNING: unsafe ownership on configuration file `/home/rob/.gnupg/gpg.conf'
[02:51] <rob> then it fails to sign the files, "secret key not available"
[03:07] <rob> grr
[03:09] <LaserJock> rob: so what is the ownership on your gpg.conf
[03:10] <bddebian> That is just a warning not an error
[03:11] <rob> then it gets to:
[03:11] <rob> Now signing changes and any dsc files...
[03:11] <rob>  signfile dolphin_0.5-1.dsc Robert Stoffers <rstoffers@ubuntu.com>
[03:11] <rob> gpg: skipped "Robert Stoffers <rstoffers@ubuntu.com>": secret key not available
[03:11] <rob> gpg: [stdin] : clearsign failed: secret key not available
[03:12] <rob> LaserJock, my normal user account and the user account in the chroot are the same
[03:14] <bddebian> You have .gnupg dir in your chroot?
[03:14] <rob> I have /home mounted in the chroot
[03:14] <bddebian> Ah
[03:14] <rob> so yes
[03:17] <rob> ok, using -k'UID' with debuild works fine
[03:17] <rob> but thats using my normal key
[03:17] <rob> (which I guess is fine)
[03:24] <bddebian> Heya jsgotangco
[03:24] <jsgotangco> good morning
[04:11] <Hobbsee> hi all
[04:14] <rob> hey Hobbsee
[04:14] <Hobbsee> hey rob :)
[04:16] <rob> hey, you might be able to help me with a problem, I'm trying to build a kde-related package, but the configure file is complaining about kde-config not found, I've added kdelibs4-dev to the build-depends but its still not satisfied, any ideas?
[04:17] <Hobbsee> kde-config not found...hmmm...
[04:17] <Hobbsee> is that the exact name of the file, or something?
[04:18] <rob> doesn't have anything to do with the Kubuntu config panel causing the problem?
[04:18] <Hobbsee> it could need kdebase-dev maybe?
[04:18] <Hobbsee> not really sure
[04:18] <Hobbsee> if you have the exact file name, its' seasy enough to check which package it's in...
[04:18] <bmonty> rob: you could look in the configure script and find out what file it is looking for
[04:19] <bmonty> and then use dpkg to find out what package provides it
[04:19] <rob> bmonty, yeah thats what I'm doing
[04:19] <rob> its doing if test -x "$dir/kde-config"; then
[04:20] <rob> it looks for a kde-config file in $PATH
[04:21] <rob> looks like kdelibs-bin according to apt-file
[04:26] <Hobbsee> try installing that, and check again?
[04:27] <rob> yeah, its in pbuilder though
[04:27] <Hobbsee> add it to debian/control?
[04:27] <Hobbsee> as a dep?
[04:27] <rob> yeah, no good
[04:28] <Hobbsee> or maybe even a build-dep?
[04:28] <rob> I tried as a build-dep, let me try as a dep
[04:29] <rob> no good as a dep
[04:29] <Hobbsee> hmmm...what did the attidition of kdebase-dev do?
[04:29] <Hobbsee> as a b-d
[04:30] <bluefoxicy> wtf
[04:30] <bluefoxicy> I can't record and play flash at the same time
[04:30] <rob> kdebase-dev was no good either
[04:31] <Hobbsee> rob: or kdecore?
[04:31] <rob> I'll give kdecore a shot
[04:32] <Hobbsee> i dont have any more guesses after that..
[04:32] <imbrandon> morning peeps
[04:32] <rob> nup
[04:32] <imbrandon> err after noon Hobbsee ;)
[04:32] <Hobbsee> hey imbrandon
[04:32] <rob> perhaps the configure file is looking in the wrong place, due to Kubuntu messing with the control center
[04:32] <imbrandon> umm its ~1pm for you correct ?
[04:33] <Hobbsee> 12.30
[04:33] <imbrandon> ;)
[04:33] <imbrandon> late start today ?
[04:33] <Hobbsee> yeah
[04:33] <imbrandon> heh i've had about 3 hours sleep in last 24 so this will probbly be a short day for me too ;)
[04:33] <Hobbsee> ouchy!
[04:35] <imbrandon> anyone else tried google spreadsheets ? they are gonna put a nother nail in MS coffin with that one, might not be the last but every little step helps
[04:35] <havoc> who maintains dhcpd?
[04:36] <imbrandon> Maintainer: Eloy A. Paris
[04:36] <imbrandon> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/dhcp3
[04:40] <havoc> bah
[04:42] <imbrandon> guess thats not what you were looking for ?
[04:42] <havoc> nope
[04:42] <havoc> not someone who's here
[04:45] <havoc> are there any docs on connection sharing w/ ubuntu?
[04:45] <havoc> I'm not getting anywhere w/ google
[04:45] <havoc> and dhcpd seems to be broken
[04:45] <bmonty> havoc: you mean NAT?
[04:45] <havoc> MASQ actually, but yeah
[04:46] <havoc> dhcpd is complaingin cuz I don't have a subnet declaration for the *wan* iface in dhcpd.conf
[04:46] <havoc> which makes no sense
[04:46] <bmonty> can you give it an all zeros netmask?
[04:46] <havoc> never tried
[04:47] <havoc> it's a dynamic iface though
[04:47] <havoc> again, it makes no sense
[04:47] <havoc> how do I declare a dynamic subnet?!?
[04:47] <bmonty> you are trying to provide dhcp on a dynamic interface?
[04:47] <havoc> no
[04:48] <havoc> share a cable modem connection
[04:48] <havoc> but dhcpd wants me to declare a subnet for the wan iface
[04:48] <havoc> it's insane
[04:48] <bmonty> do you have two nics?
[04:48] <havoc> I've been doing this for years and I've never seent his before
[04:48] <havoc> yes, 2 nics
[04:49] <havoc> I have shorewall and bind setup already
[04:50] <havoc> shorewall for MASQ, firewalling and traffic shapping, and bind for local caching name server
[04:50] <bmonty> I still don't get why you would want dhcpd running on your wan interface
[04:50] <havoc> I *DON'T*
[04:50] <bmonty> you mean dhcpcd then ?
[04:50] <bmonty> or dhclient
[04:50] <havoc> dhclient is already running
[04:50] <havoc> and working
[04:51] <havoc> but dhcpd won't start due to the lack of a subnet declaration on the wan iface
[04:51] <havoc> which makes no sense, as I've said over and over already
[04:51] <bmonty> havoc: so tell it not to use the wan interface
[04:51] <havoc> not having a declaration should be all it needs
[04:52] <havoc> it should only bind to ifaces in defined subnets
[04:52] <bmonty> havoc: check /etc/default/dhcp3-server
[04:52] <bmonty> havoc: not true
[04:53] <bmonty> havoc: the default is to bind to all interfaces that are up unless you tell it otherwise on the command line
[04:54] <havoc> ok, I think we're getting somewhere now :)
[05:00] <havoc> YAY!
[05:04] <_ion> if value.nil? or value.is_a? FalseClass
[05:04] <_ion> Sorry, missed the target.
[05:04] <havoc> bmonty: thanx
[05:04] <havoc> got me pointed int he right direction
[05:05] <bmonty> havoc: glad to help :)
[05:05] <ToHellWithGA> hello
[05:05] <bmonty> hi ToHellWithGA
[05:05] <havoc> bmonty: I keep forgetting about the "default" thing, and I also had to remove the 'dhcp
[05:05] <ToHellWithGA> i don't know if it's a deliberate omission or something that could be patched, but beep-media-player has a very limited subset of input plugins even with multiverse enabled
[05:05] <havoc> bmonty: I keep forgetting about the "default" thing, and I also had to remove the 'dhcp' package
[05:06] <ToHellWithGA> i manually installed the FLAC input plugin but think it might be good to incorporate it into a mass plugins package, such as the plugins package for quod libet
[05:07] <ToHellWithGA> bmonty: does that seem legit?
[05:07] <bmonty> ToHellWithGA: I don't know, I'm not familiar with beep-media-player
[05:07] <ToHellWithGA> it's a new version (more of a fork i guess) of xmms
[05:08] <bddebian> God I suck :-(
[05:08] <ToHellWithGA> when i want the winamp-esque interface in linux, which i reiterate is rare, i use bmp
[05:08] <ToHellWithGA> bddebian: i don't think you're that bad
[05:08] <bmonty> I do though
[05:08] <bddebian> Heh, you don't know me yet :-)
[05:08] <bddebian> See
[05:09] <Hobbsee> hey bddebian
[05:09] <Hobbsee> what have you done now?
[05:09] <bddebian> Hi Hobbsee
[05:09] <havoc> bddebian: evening :)
[05:09] <bddebian> Nothing, I can't fix shit
[05:09] <bddebian> Heya havoc
[05:09] <Hobbsee> bddebian: heh, dont worry - none of us can fix naything either
[05:10] <imbrandon> and not even THAT good at that ;)
[05:11] <Hobbsee> hehe!
[05:15] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: you clearly need practice.
[05:16] <bddebian> Yeah, it takes practice to suck like me :-)
[05:17] <Hobbsee> hehe - and acheive deity status, yes
[05:19] <bddebian> Ahhh, I get it now
[05:19] <bddebian> I'm the God of all those who suck! :-)
[05:20] <Hobbsee> hehe!
[05:26] <ToHellWithGA> do yall know offhand who built the ubuntu packages for quod libet?
[05:27] <ToHellWithGA> caffeine to wake you up, heat to heat you up, and alcohol to keep you from knowing when you're cold
[05:27] <ToHellWithGA> hooray ireland
[05:27] <Kyral> Nah I'm gonna curl up in bed with a Manga :D
[05:28] <rob> hmm, so according to apt-file, kdelibs-bin: usr/bin/kde-config - but adding kdelibs-bin to build-deps doesn't work, its as if pbuilder is ignoring it.
[05:28] <ToHellWithGA> i have yet to read an actual comic *book*
[05:29] <ToHellWithGA> just the little magazine style superman ones
[05:29] <rob> any ideas? I'm lost
[05:32] <rob> I've emailed the dev of the program in question, maybe he can help?
[05:34] <zakame> hi all
[05:40] <bddebian> Heya zakame
[05:40] <Hobbsee> hey zakame k
[06:24] <havoc> is there some dummy/aggregate "development" package?
[06:24] <havoc> i.e. some package that will install most of the common dev tools?
[06:26] <Hobbsee> er?  for kde, kde-devel, there's devscripts....it really depends what you're compiling
[06:26] <havoc> no, like make, gcc, etc...
[06:27] <Hobbsee> havoc: build-essential
[06:27] <havoc> thanx :)
[06:43] <rob> where does pbuilder dump the binary package once it is built?
[06:46] <Hobbsee>  /var/cache/pbuider/result or something?
[06:47] <Hobbsee> i'ts in /etc/pbuilderrc
[06:48] <rob> for me it was /var/cache/pbuilder/dapper/result
[06:48] <Hobbsee> nyah, it was a guess.
[06:48] <Hobbsee> i get mine to build in my /home, anyway
[06:49] <rob> probably due to the multiple pbuilder env I have :)
[06:49] <bmonty> rob: you can use --buildresult to tell pbuilder where to throw the debs
[06:49] <rob> thanks bmonty
[06:50] <bmonty> no need to write it down..just "man pbuilder" :)
[06:50] <rob> heh yeah
[06:53] <crimsun_> tseng: (sorry, away for the evening) Which app{,s}, sound driver and codec (``cat /proc/asound/modules && tail -2 /proc/asound/oss/sndstat''), and is the symptom related to any pattern of file type (mp3, vorbis, flac, aac, ...) or usage pattern?
[07:14] <rob> what does one put the desktop file in the package (one I created)?
[07:15] <crimsun_> s/what/where/ ?
[07:15] <crimsun_> in debian/
[07:15] <rob> just copy it there, thats it?
[07:15] <rob> I don't have to tell it about it?
[07:16] <crimsun_> which step are you referring to? There are two. #1. The file needs to exist in debian/ . #2. It needs to be copied or moved into the package build dir via debian/rules .
[07:16] <rob> ah ok, even when using cdbs?
[07:17] <crimsun_> yes, even cdbs isn't omniscient about desktop files
[07:18] <rob> what about the man page .docbook file I created, just include the makefile.mk in the rules file and set the DEB_INSTALL_MANPAGES_app variable to app.1?
[07:19] <rob> oh, and copy that to debian/ as well
[08:14] <rob> I have both my .desktop file and .1.docbook (manpage under debian/ in my package
[08:14] <rob> err
[08:14] <rob> the rules file doesn't seem to want to pick them up though, what is the relative location that I need to put in?
[08:20] <crimsun_> rob: how are you moving them in debian/rules ?
[08:21] <rob> well, thats where I put them before build
[08:21] <rob> I'm getting (during pbuild):
[08:21] <rob> dh_install dolphin.desktop /usr/share/applications/kde/
[08:21] <rob> cp: cannot stat `./dolphin.desktop': No such file or directory
[08:22] <crimsun_> no
[08:22] <rob> I get something similar for the .docbook file too
[08:22] <crimsun_> cp debian/dolphin.desktop debian/$yourpackage//usr/share/applications/kde/.
[08:22] <crimsun_> (replacing $yourpackage, of course)
[08:23] <crimsun_> (and omitting the duplicate '/')
[08:23] <rob> no such directory
[08:24] <crimsun_> then mkdir before or use install -D
[08:27] <ajmitch> it's not the one I upgraded to edgy, either
[08:27] <jsgotangco> cursed
[08:27] <ajmitch> yeah
[08:27] <ajmitch> looks like udev is hanging
[08:28] <ajmitch> the vmware host box had a hard shutdown though
[08:28] <rob> its been a long day.
[08:29] <ajmitch> surely not :)
[08:29] <jsgotangco> i have a long weekend (independence weekend)
[08:29] <jsgotangco> ciao guys
[08:29] <ajmitch> bye
[08:29] <rob> so do I, still been long
[08:30] <rob> going though the packaging guide + KubuntuPackagingGuide (on the wiki) and trying to make sense of it all
[08:30] <ajmitch> ah I see
[08:30] <ajmitch> that one which was hanging had 2.6.17
[08:30] <ajmitch> but no upgraded udev
[08:31] <ajmitch> doesn't seem to help booting it with 2.6.15... oh wel :)
[08:34] <rob> crimsun_, that was no good, still the same error
[08:35] <crimsun_> rob: pastebin debian/rules, the command, and errors
[08:35] <crimsun_> it's difficult to troubleshoot in the dark
[08:35] <rob> ok
[08:40] <rob> http://pastebin.ca/64134
[08:41] <crimsun_> you're blatantly misusing dh_install
[08:42] <rob> oh, well I got that from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/Packaging/Kubuntu?action=show&redirect=KubuntuPackagingGuide
[08:43] <rob> titled Example: copy the desktop place to another place
[08:43] <crimsun_> ah, I see
[08:43] <crimsun_> then why not just put it in .install?
[08:43] <crimsun_> sorry, thought you meant something else
[08:44] <crimsun_> btw, the reason it's failing is because you omitted the parent directory
[08:44] <crimsun_> unless dolphin.desktop resides in the top-level of your extracted source, it will fail
[08:44] <crimsun_> e.g., if it's debian/dolphin.desktop, you need the debian/ portion, too
[08:44] <rob> so it needs to be /debian/dolphin.desktop?
[08:45] <crimsun_> omit the leading '/'
[08:45] <rob> hmm, ok I tried that and it still failed
[08:45] <rob> eailer
[08:46] <crimsun_> where is dolphin.desktop?
[08:46] <rob> under debian/
[08:48] <crimsun_> use debian/dolphin.desktop, and fix the destination
[08:49] <rob> ok, see what happens
[08:49] <rob> fix the destination?
[08:49] <crimsun_> you're attempting to install it to the real /usr/share/..., which will fail.
[08:50] <rob> so /debian first?
[08:50] <crimsun_> err, which dh compat version are you using?
[08:50] <rob> 4
[08:51] <crimsun_> yeah, you need to strip the absolute
[08:51] <crimsun_> it should just be usr/share/applications/kde/
[08:52] <rob> ah ok
[08:52] <crimsun_> (note how the example you referenced omits the leading '/')
[08:53] <rob> ah yes
[08:53] <rob> ok, I'll try another build
[08:58] <rob> hmm ok that seemed to work, except now I get:
[08:58] <rob> touch debian/stamp-makefile-build
[08:58] <rob> docbook2x-man debian/dolphin.1.docbook
[08:58] <rob> I/O warning : failed to load external entity "debian/dolphin.1.docbook"
[08:58] <rob> /usr/bin/db2x_xsltproc: cannot parse input document
[09:08] <crimsun_> rob: it is actually xml docbook?
[09:09] <crimsun_> (i.e., the format may actually be sgml docbook, in which case you need to pass -S to it)
[09:11] <rob> :)
[09:11] <rob> nevermind, it worked that time
[09:12] <rob> lets test it
[09:13] <rob> ok, package worked, man page worked, not getting an icon though for it in the menu..
[09:14] <crimsun_> in kde?
[09:14] <crimsun_> you probably need to log out and back in
[09:15] <rob> yeah, just used a different account
[09:15] <rob> ok, looks like it works great, thanks for your help crimsun_
[09:16] <crimsun_> np.
[09:27] <rob> ok, time for dinner, then after that look at revu
[09:56] <Sp4rKy> hi
[09:58] <TheMuso> What time on Monday do specs have to be in?
[10:00] <TheMuso> nvm got it.
[10:28] <rob> what files do I need to upload to revu?
[10:28] <rob> with dput
[10:28] <rob> its a new package
[10:36] <jose> please...what change is necessary in source.list to install linux-image-amd64-k8 ???
[10:37] <jose> please...what change is necessary in source.list of dapper to install linux-image-amd64-k8 ???
[10:37] <rob> try #ubuntu
[10:39] <rob> eek, that upload to revu died
[10:40] <rob> how can I remove the files it did complete from revu?
[10:42] <Sp4rKy|plage> rob you need the .dsc
[10:42] <fabo> rob: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU
[10:42] <rob> just dput it?
[10:42] <Sp4rKy|plage> rob, and you can overide an upload with -f
[10:42] <Sp4rKy|plage> dput -f mypackage.dsc
[10:43] <rob> I'm getting: Uploading via ftp dolphin_0.5-1.dsc: Error '553 Could not create file.' during ftp transfer of dolphin_0.5-1.dsc
[10:43] <rob> didn't do that the first time when it died half way though
[10:44] <Sp4rKy|plage> rob i'd the same issue
[10:44] <jose> I did. No answer there.
[10:44] <rob> ah ok, must be a server issue
[10:44] <Sp4rKy|plage> you must send an email to the admin mailist to ask them delete your files
[10:45] <rob> ah motu-reviewers@tauware.de?
[10:45] <Sp4rKy|plage> no , admin , i don't know the exact adress , go to MOTU wiKi
[10:46] <rob> ah k
[10:47] <ajmitch> rob: what's the upload?
[10:47] <rob> ajmitch, dolphin
[10:47] <ajmitch> rm'ed
[10:47] <rob> thanks ajmitch
[10:49] <tuxmaniac> have the edgy repos opened?
[10:49] <\sh> on the 7th already
[10:49] <ajmitch> define 'opened'
[10:49] <ajmitch> the base packages are being uploaded & setup
[10:49] <ajmitch> nothing else is accepted
[10:52] <\sh> and it will break your running system ;)
[10:52] <ajmitch> and eat your children
[10:52] <\sh> if you mean with "open" "break my system", so yes, it's open >:->
[10:52] <bluefoxicy> ugh
[10:53] <bluefoxicy> a bug I posted on ubuntu and upstream got rejected upstream because the package is deprecated and will have no new releases (even for security fixes)
[10:53] <\sh> bluefoxicy: which one?
[10:54] <\sh> moins ajmitch btw :)
[10:54] <ajmitch> \sh: why did you say that vmware is x86 (32-bit) only & never in ubuntu?
[10:54] <ajmitch> hi :)
[10:54] <bluefoxicy> \sh: libgdk-pixbuf2, from gtk/gnome 1.2 series, the old, dead, depricated gnome branch
[10:54] <\sh> ajmitch: because the 64bit version is still not released ;)
[10:55] <ajmitch> \sh: 64-bit vmware server is running just fine here
[10:55] <bluefoxicy> \sh:  It's of no consequence on a normal install, but it causes an executable stack in anything linking to it (i.e. xmms), I fixed that
[10:55] <ajmitch> and vmware player is in multiverse
[10:55] <bluefoxicy> I love how my 'fixes' are like "Yeah you have to patch all .S files, run this 4 line shell script it'll do it for you" instead of actually submitting a patch
[10:56] <\sh> ajmitch: but 64bit vmware workstation and 64bit sx server (the one with a patched redhat on it) is still fragile and not for a production environment and is non free-software afaik
[10:56] <ajmitch> \sh: that wasn't what you said in your email at all :)
[10:56] <\sh> ajmitch: VMWare (not the player or the free Server) is non-free software.
[10:57] <bluefoxicy> anyway I'm going ot bed, it's 4:51am here.
[10:57] <ajmitch> rob: did you get your key in the REVU keyring, or did you just try uploading anyway?
[10:57] <\sh> ajmitch: too many people are refering to vmware running on x86 (32bit) so, yes, my statement is a bit flaky, but 99% times true ;)
[10:58] <rob> ajmitch, I've emailed but not yet, the guide says I can upload anyway?
[10:58] <ajmitch> you should wait for it to be added
[10:58] <rob> oh I see
[10:58] <ajmitch> the wiki should say that you can do it without the key being signed, but not without it being added
[10:58] <rob> ok
[10:58] <ajmitch> mini-dinstall rejects packages that aren't from maintainers in the upload keyring
[10:58] <bluefoxicy> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardenedHacking  <-- I had fun today, I'll fix the rest of /usr/lib when I wake up, and zip and vlc
[10:59] <rob> ah ok, I'll guess I'll have to wait then
[10:59] <phanatic> morning MOTUs
[10:59] <\sh> hi phanatic
[10:59] <ajmitch> rob: I can add it now, just had to warn you :)
[10:59] <rob> :)
[10:59] <rob> ok
[10:59] <phanatic> hi \sh
[11:00] <ajmitch> ok, imported
[11:01] <\sh> oh no
[11:01] <\sh> 20.06 Cologne: Sweden - England ... my beloved cologne will be destroyed
[11:01] <\sh> by hooligans
[11:01] <rob> ajmitch, you'll have to delete that dolphin package again I think
[11:02] <ajmitch> fun
[11:02] <ajmitch> rm'ed again
[11:02] <ajmitch> hi Yagisan
[11:02] <Yagisan> G'day ajmitch
[11:02] <rob> thanks ajmitch
[11:04] <rob> is there a lag involved with adding my key to the keyring?
[11:04] <ajmitch> no
[11:04] <ajmitch> when I said I've done it, I've done it
[11:05] <rob> hmm, oh it just took a long time that time
[11:05] <ajmitch> long time for what?
[11:05] <Toadstool> hi everybody
[11:07] <Yagisan> G'day Toadstool
[11:07] <Toadstool> hey Yagisan
[11:13] <Toadstool> hum, tiny question... I'm packaging a python lib and lintian complains about 4 files having a #! line although they are not in the PATH. I'd like to avoid using a patch system just to remove these shebangs... is the lintian clean thing mandatory? :)
[11:14] <lifeless> consider that warning a strong hint
[11:14] <Toadstool> yep, for sure...I'll try to ask upstream to remove these lines
[11:14] <lifeless> its likely tht either the files are meant to be run (in which case teh #! is appropriate, but on equestions why the files are in the library, not in bin), or its a bug (in which case, tell upstream at minimum)
[11:16] <Toadstool> then, I'll report the bug upstream
[11:16] <Toadstool> thanks lifeless
[11:23] <tuxmaniac> But Initially it was fantastic. But once I started loading packages the system has become slow
[11:24] <tuxmaniac> I hav no unnecessary services runnn
[12:23] <\sh> re
[12:24] <ajmitch> hi
[12:36] <\sh> heya Hobbsee
[12:36] <Hobbsee> hey \sh :)
[12:40] <Hobbsee> hehe!
[12:40] <Hobbsee> thanks :)
[12:45] <tseng> crimsun_: app = gstreamer, flac so far
[12:45] <tseng> crimsun_: but something very similar used to happen with mythtv
[12:46] <tseng> crimsun_: emu10k1, TriTech TR28602
[12:51] <kagou> hey hub around?
[12:52] <tseng> crimsun_: also.. the music is on a usb drive
[12:52] <kagou> hub: exiv2 is now at 0.10 http://www.exiv2.org/changelog.html new features are great :)
[01:05] <tseng> crimsun_: i just managed it again with an mp3
[01:05] <tseng> crimsun_: under pretty low load
[01:32] <slomo> tseng: what are you doing? :)
[01:45] <tseng> slomo: my desktop chokes every few hours
[01:46] <tseng> slomo: it will play the same 2 notes over and over like a broken record
[01:46] <tseng> usually the rest of the system doesnt hang
[01:46] <tseng> "usually"
[01:46] <slomo> hrm
[01:46] <slomo> sounds evil
[01:46] <tseng> yeah
[01:53] <sladen> tseng: the circular buffer, probably still has audio data in it, but nothing is replacing it so the sound car dis going round and round over the same data.  probably.
[01:53] <tseng> sladen: i really think it is in alsa or the card itself
[01:54] <tseng> as gstreamer works everywhere else
[01:55] <tseng> shrug
[01:56] <sladen> tseng: feeding audio to the card is basically the case of having a buffer with head and tail pointers.  You have to constantly replace the data otherwise it'll loop
[01:56] <sladen> tseng: if the program feeding the data in crashes/whatevers, then it'll give the behaviour you describe
[01:57] <sladen> why the crash/stop/wahtever occurs is another matter, it could be tALSA or it could be food or bar
[02:42] <ajmitch> time for sleep
[02:42] <ajmitch> night all
[02:42] <Yagisan> night ajmitch
[02:50] <Hobbsee> night ajmitch
[02:50] <Hobbsee> hmm...sleep
[02:55] <\sh> Hobbsee: time for a sunday afternoon beer ;)
[02:55] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:55] <Hobbsee> ewww...if you say so :P
[03:28] <havoc> bah, morning
[03:29] <Hobbsee> hey havoc
[03:29] <havoc> hiya
[03:29] <havoc> I think I'm going to try alien to install a mdv rpm
[03:30] <havoc> trying to get zoneminder built, and it has a *lot* of deps
[03:37] <havoc> heh, this is going to be interesting
[04:19] <\sh> MOTUs, cheers
[04:19] <bmonty> bye \sh
[04:20] <\sh> bmonty: no :) cheers as in "get a beer and toast" ;)#
[04:20] <bmonty> \sh: ah, I thought "cheers" was the standard european why of saying "cya later!"
[04:20] <Hobbsee> bmonty: it also means "thankyou" so...
[04:21] <\sh> Hobbsee: in UK it means as well, cya later :)
[04:21] <Hobbsee> oh ok, weird.
[04:21] <\sh> Hobbsee: but it can also mean "Prost"
[04:21] <bmonty> yeah, maybe that is my problem....all the brits I have worked with always say "cheers" why they are leaving :)
[04:21] <Hobbsee> whatever that is
[04:21] <\sh> one toast to the different english "slangs" ;)
[04:22] <Hobbsee> ah right
[04:22] <\sh> Hobbsee: "Prost" is german for "cheers" which is not "cya later" ;)
[04:22] <bmonty> why should we make it easy for non-english speakers to learn, right? :)
[04:22] <Hobbsee> bmonty: or those of us who do speak english, just not your english
[04:22] <bmonty> Hobbsee: true
[04:23] <\sh> lol
[04:24] <Hobbsee> at least we dont mangle our english like certain small countries :P
[04:24] <\sh> e.g.?
[04:24] <Hobbsee> NZ, of course.
[04:24] <havoc> heh, Hobbsee is gonna get smacked ;)
[04:24] <\sh> they mangle their second language?
[04:24] <Hobbsee> havoc: hehe - by who?
[04:24] <havoc> isn't ajmitch from NZ?
[04:24] <Hobbsee> \sh: what's their first?
[04:25] <Hobbsee> havoc: he is...but he'd better not smack me :P
[04:25] <\sh> Hobbsee: new zealand-ish? what ever the first people spoke
[04:25] <Hobbsee> \sh: oh.  maori or something.
[04:25] <\sh> maori that was it ;)
[04:25] <\sh> thx
[04:26] <zakame> hi all
[04:26] <Hobbsee> hey zakame
[04:26] <bmonty> hi zakame
[04:26] <zakame> heya Hobbsee! whatchadoin'?
[04:26] <zakame> heya bmonty! :D
[04:26] <Hobbsee> zakame: playing with fire, i suspect... :P
[04:28] <havoc> :(
[04:30] <bmonty> he is sitting on my lap trying to type on the keyboard right now
[04:30] <bmonty> definately a linux hacker in the making :)
[04:30] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:30] <havoc> heh, cool :)
[04:30] <Hobbsee> just make sure he doesnt type the terrible command
[04:30] <\sh> oh wow...my son phoned me today, he wants a 1300 euro e-guitar and a amplifier which cost more then the guitar ... fun
[04:31] <bmonty> nice
[04:31] <sladen> \sh: "want".  joy.
[04:31] <havoc> ah, kids
[04:31] <Hobbsee> bleck.  i'll pass.  at least for a long while!
[04:31] <zakame> cool
[04:31] <havoc> no kids for the wife and I yet, but enough neices/nephews right now
[04:32] <sladen> \sh: ask him much he'd be willing to pay if he had to buy it all himself
[04:33] <\sh> sladen: hehe..he wants it for free..but daddy has to pay somehow
[04:33] <\sh> and I finally will succeed to buy this thing...it's a fender
[04:34] <sladen> \sh: is it a one-off that could only be purchased at this point in time;  or will it still be there in 3-6months?
[04:34] <\sh> sladen: the special prise now it's 1100 for the guitar and the amplifier 1200 ... but I can't afford it this month...next month I could buy at least the guitar..*sigh*
[04:35] <\sh> sladen: but he is good in music at all, he plays piano and guitar
[04:36] <sladen> and how much more would it be normally?
[04:36] <\sh> as I said, the guitar 1300 and the amplifier 1.4 or 1.5k
[04:37] <\sh> forget the piano and guitar lessons which cost me 70 euros each per lesson
[04:37] <sladen> so is that *both* for 1200, or *both* for 1100+1200=2300 this month?
[04:37] <sladen> mmm
[04:37] <\sh> sladen: it's 1100+1200
[04:37] <highvoltage> 70 euro!? wow that's expensive.
[04:38] <jsgotangco> it must be a tube amplifier to be that expensive
[04:38] <jsgotangco> transistor amps don't cost like that
[04:38] <jsgotangco> prolly 100W up
[04:38] <\sh> highvoltage: 70/8 (or what the rand to the euro is) you won't get it anymore in germany, finally the last 10 years ;)
[04:39] <\sh> highvoltage: the guitar teacher comes from argentina
[04:39] <sladen> oooh, 47310 pieces of pita-bread
[04:39] <\sh> highvoltage: the piano teacher comes from russia...both are outstanding
[04:40] <highvoltage> \sh: heh. seems like living in a 3rd world country does have its benefits then :)
[04:40] <jsgotangco> heh
[04:41] <\sh> highvoltage: hahaha....ZA and 3rd world country, come on
[04:41] <\sh> highvoltage: when I see the gold sand mountains just a couple of miles away from jo'burg city ...
[04:42] <\sh> highvoltage: but you are right, just wait 10 years, you will have the same prices ;)
[04:42] <highvoltage> yeah, .za is strange like that. it's 1st world mixed with 3rd world.
[04:43] <\sh> highvoltage: did anything changed with the telecom monopoly in ZA?
[04:43] <highvoltage> nope :(
[04:44] <highvoltage> we still pay big $$$ for connectivity
[04:44] <jsgotangco> heh
[04:44] <jsgotangco> nothing changes
[04:44] <\sh> highvoltage: yeah, I know :( and air time is much cheaper
[04:45] <highvoltage> \sh: how are you these days? it sounds like it's going much better. i'm happy for you.
[04:45] <\sh> uh...I'm totally strange...I never use airtime , just when I'm talking about ZA...in other areas I would talk about prepaid time
[04:46] <highvoltage> heh. i think the americans also call it airtime.
[04:46] <sladen> "free minutes" (despite that you paid on a contract for them..."
[04:46] <havoc> "anytime minutes"
[04:47] <\sh> highvoltage: well, I'm freelancing, and if everything goes right, I'll have a job in 2 months, with an unlimited contracted etc.
[04:47] <highvoltage> nice. i want to go just the other way around. go from full time job to freelancing.
[04:47] <\sh> highvoltage: and the money I earned now, I used to pay my debts
[04:47] <highvoltage> a full time job is just a bit restrictive for me.
[04:48] <\sh> highvoltage: next month I'm on the take over road again
[04:48] <highvoltage> yeah baby!
[04:48] <highvoltage> that's quite quick.
[04:48] <highvoltage> last time i had financial problems it took me a long time to recover.
[04:48] <\sh> highvoltage: well, for me it's just because of the money...earning 33k euro for 66 days after tax is quite good
[04:48] <\sh> s/66/60/
[04:49] <highvoltage> geepers, so it is.
[04:49] <\sh> .oO(for a freelancer)
[04:52] <\sh> highvoltage: but I would want to work in ZA...
[04:53] <highvoltage> \sh: yep, in Durban :)
[04:53] <\sh> highvoltage: I'll take cape town as well :)
[04:53] <\sh> highvoltage: but durban would be really a surprise
[04:55] <\sh> highvoltage: but as I said, I finally managed to get my biltong connection up and running
[04:55] <highvoltage> \sh: perhaps you might want to subscribe to clug-work at http://lists.clug.org.za
[04:55] <highvoltage> \sh: people post about linux related job openings in CT there
[04:56] <highvoltage> heh :)
[04:56] <\sh> highvoltage: friend of mine comes from zimbabwe (white one) but he has relatives in ZA, who are "smuggling" biltong to London, where the sister of my friend is living ... so every four weeks, fresh biltong ;)
[04:57] <highvoltage> yes, very
[04:57] <highvoltage> uhm... 'fresh' :)
[04:57] <zul> whats biltong?
[04:58] <highvoltage> zul: where do you live?
[04:58] <jsgotangco> biltong.....
[04:58] <jsgotangco> yummmm
[04:58] <jsgotangco> biltong+amarula=bliss
[04:58] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: you've been to .za?
[04:59] <jsgotangco> no but i have a good connection
[04:59] <highvoltage> i like amarula too. even had it with ice cream once :)
[04:59] <\sh> jsgotangco: please don't mention amarula
[04:59] <zul> highvoltage: im in canada but lived in keny for a couple of years
[04:59] <zul> s/keny/kenya/g
[05:00] <highvoltage> zul: i think in canada/us they call it 'beef jurky' or something (based on what i've seen in a survivor episode)
[05:00] <jsgotangco> well beef jerky is a bit thinner
[05:00] <jsgotangco> but the concept is the same
[05:00] <zul> ah ok
[05:01] <\sh> highvoltage: but they don't have game
[05:02] <jsgotangco> heh this reminds me of that nasty sabdfl pic endorsing beef jerky
[05:02] <\sh> jsgotangco: ugh...he is a revolutionist
[05:04] <\sh> jsgotangco: but I saw this article and the picture as well, when he traveled to ISS
[05:04] <jsgotangco> yeah
[05:04] <jsgotangco> haha
[05:05] <jsgotangco> "Final Frontier Beef Jerky"
[05:06] <\sh> link?
[05:06] <\sh> where was it ?
[05:06] <jsgotangco> http://www.beefjerky.com/soyuz1.html
[05:06] <\sh> his eyes says different
[05:06] <jsgotangco> lol
[05:07] <\sh> whoever will be in paris, YOU HAVE TO ASK HIM IF IT'S REALLY JUST AS GOOD AS SELF-MADE BILTONG ,)
[05:08] <zakame> haha
[05:08] <\sh> I always forget to ask him...
[05:09] <\sh> join #ubuntu-za-fans
[05:09] <\sh> to be not OT
[05:10] <\sh> but it's sunday ;)
[05:12] <\sh> It's alive #ubuntu-za-fans
[05:12] <jsgotangco> brb
[05:23] <havoc> yeah, I can see the problem with packaging zoneminder, and why no one (not even debian) has done it yet
[05:23] <havoc> plus you kinda need some video hardware to actually test it
[05:25] <\sh> havoc: what video hardware?
[05:25] <havoc> \sh: for this: http://www.zoneminder.com/
[05:28] <\sh> oha...I can try to grab for more infos on that piece of software....I have a company
[05:28] <\sh> which uses this tool
[05:28] <\sh> (not my company)
[05:28] <havoc> ah, I like it, but it's a bitch to build
[05:28] <havoc> the only actual packages are mandriva packages
[05:29] <havoc> been trying to convert it with alien, not going so well :(
[05:29] <havoc> I guess I'll go back to trying to build it :(
[05:29] <\sh> havoc: alien is evil
[05:29] <havoc> zm is a really cool app though
[05:29] <\sh> havoc: but read the spec file thoug
[05:29] <\sh> h
[05:29] <havoc> spec file?
[05:30] <\sh> for the mandriva rpm packages :)
[05:30] <havoc> ah
[05:30] <havoc> I've just been doing make, fix deps, make clean; make, over and over
[05:31] <havoc> beena  bad week so far
[05:31] <havoc> converted 3 machines to ubuntu
[05:31] <\sh> havoc: really, read the spec file, you get most of the build deps and what they are doing for a clean build..
[05:31] <havoc> ok
[05:31] <havoc> fyi: it's built by a zm guy, not mandriva
[05:32] <havoc> the only official dist of zm is the tarball
[05:32] <\sh> havoc: doesn't matter but you get the point :)
[05:32] <havoc> which kinda sucks
[05:32] <havoc> yes, I get it :)
[05:32] <\sh> I would have a look myself, but I'm kinda handicaped
[05:32] <havoc> I got configure to go smoothly, now just hitting a bunch of undefined funcs during make
[05:32] <\sh> never build a running package while you are drinking beer
[05:33] <havoc> heheh
[05:33] <havoc> that's what I was doing last night, until ~1am :)
[05:33] <\sh> drinking beer or packaging zm? ;)
[05:33] <havoc> both
[05:33] <\sh> joy
[05:33] <havoc> well, building zm, not packaging
[05:34] <havoc> be doing the same most of the day today too :)
[05:35] <\sh> T'pau: China in your Hand
[05:35] <havoc> but 3 ubuntu installs/conversions, one a vaio laptop, one a primary workstation, one a gateway/router/fileserver, and numerous hardware hacks/upgrades/changes
[05:35] <havoc> what a week :(
[05:35] <\sh> havoc: you can tell
[05:35] <havoc> and then fighting w/ ubuntu most of the time
[05:35] <havoc> I got it beat down now though ;)
[05:35] <\sh> from monday to wednesday sick and then going to work...
[05:36] <havoc> :(
[05:36] <havoc> but these machines will be ubuntu for years now
[05:37] <havoc> one problem being that the fw box is old, has 4 drives in it, so I have to disconnect one to use a cdrom :(
[05:37] <\sh> but now it's sunday, and I'm feeling well, so wtf...let put beer into my system
[05:37] <havoc> mmm, beer :)
[05:46] <havoc> no ld.so.conf on ubuntu?
[05:47] <_ion> havoc: Why should there be one?
[05:47] <tseng> oh no not this again
[05:47] <tseng> you don't need it
[05:47] <havoc> forget I asked
[06:04] <_ion> yagisan: uscan, uupdate
[06:06] <Yagisan> _ion: actually, it's a bit more involved then that. Packages need to be generalised, and made policy compliant.
[06:09] <Yagisan> _ion: from 12 packages, to 1 package ideally. Then to send a copy to revu. Doubt I could use if for Debian NM
[06:17] <sivang> re folks
[06:17] <sivang> I'm trying to use the debootstrap document
[06:17] <sivang> but have an issue:
[06:17] <sivang> 1) not a single package other then the base is installable
[06:17] <sivang> 2) this makes gpg errors ign some of the repos
[06:17] <sivang> is this known?
[06:18] <sivang> (I'm setting a dapper chroot inside a dapper system)
[06:18] <sivang> following this document:
[06:18] <sivang> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot
[06:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> sivang you cant install other packages? what fails? gpg errors?
[06:23] <sivang> Kamping_Kaiser: I have GPG errors, but any package I try to install just seems to have the sourc but not the binary available
[06:23] <sivang> Reading package lists... Done
[06:23] <sivang> Building dependency tree... Done
[06:23] <sivang> Package gnupg is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[06:23] <sivang> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[06:23] <sivang> is only available from another source
[06:23] <sivang> E: Package gnupg has no installation candidate
[06:23] <sivang> very weird
[06:23] <sivang> I never had something like this
[06:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm. niether (but i havent followed the wiki for a while).
[06:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> have you check your sources list and re updated?
[06:25] <sivang> Kamping_Kaiser: yep, they're all gold
[06:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm
[06:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> have you tried a second mirror?
[06:30] <sivang> mirror is working with the non chroot system
[06:30] <sivang> should work with the chroot just the same
[06:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> yeh, thats true :/
[06:31] <sivang> thanks anyway :)
[06:46] <bmonty> anyone gotten nfs4 to work with dapper?
[06:48] <\sh> bmonty: no just running nfs3
[06:48] <bmonty> \sh: yeah, I've got nfs3 also
[06:49] <bmonty> now with gig-e!
[06:50] <\sh> bmonty: get two of them in bonding mode, if you want a reliable connection to your nfs server
[06:50] <bmonty> \sh: so far it has been very stable with single cards
[06:50] <Yagisan> G'day bmonty. didn't get your dcc the other day
[06:51] <\sh> bmonty: yes, I know but to be sure that it won't fail ever
[06:52] <bmonty> if my network goes down I'm pretty much hosed...hosts need access to nfs for home dirs and ldap+kerberos for user info
[06:52] <bmonty> Yagisan: sorry, can you remind me what I was trying to send to you please :)
[06:52] <\sh> bmonty: so no datacenter ;)
[06:52] <bmonty> \sh: nope
[06:53] <bmonty> I don't get paid for reliability...though I have to listen to the wife if I break something
[06:53] <Yagisan> bmonty: output from "glxinfo -l"
[06:53] <bmonty> Yagisan: oh yeah, on ATI hardware, right?
[06:53] <Yagisan> bmonty: yes if possible
[06:53] <\sh> bmonty: uhhh..which can kill you ;)
[06:54] <Yagisan> true that. I limit my tinkering to when my wife doesn't need the systems
[06:55] <\sh> *rotfl* IT specialists and their wifes
[06:55] <bmonty> Yagisan: it should be trying to send now
[06:56] <Yagisan> bmonty odd. it's not coming through.
[06:56] <bmonty> \sh: what *really* pisses her off if when she tells me something is broken, but when I take a look everything is working perfectly
[06:56] <bmonty> Yagisan: can I email to to you then?
[06:56] <Yagisan> bmonty: could email it to jamie_jones_au@yahoo.com.au
[06:58] <\sh> sing "Ubuntu, yes we 've had some fun, yes we had our ups and downs, been down that rocky road...." Huey Lewies And The News "Stuck with You" ;)
[06:58] <bmonty> Yagisan: sent
[06:59] <Yagisan> argh. my sed foo was awlful. now to uncripple my package
[06:59] <Yagisan> bmonty: thanks
[07:11] <bmonty> can we upload fixes to dapper-updates, or do we need to get permission first?
[07:11] <\sh> permissions first
[07:12] <bmonty> is there someplace where the process is described?
[07:16] <\sh> bmonty: I think there was a document about that..but I can't find it right now
[07:22] <pmjdebruijn> lo
[07:22] <pmjdebruijn> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15558
[07:22] <pmjdebruijn> hi I'm trying to package some OOo templates of mine
[07:23] <pmjdebruijn> but dpkg-buildpackage fails, because some filenames have spaces in them... how can I get around this issue? I really _do_ want to keep the spaces...
[07:25] <TomaszD> why don't you replace them with underscores?
[07:26] <sladen> pmjdebruijn: do you need to use "quotes" in  debian/rules ?
[07:26] <pmjdebruijn> TomaszD, well, that means the underscores are displayed in OpenOffice.org, and that just looks plain ugly, and not that user friendly
[07:26] <pmjdebruijn> sladen, yeah single quotes
[07:26] <TomaszD> oh, ok
[07:27] <pmjdebruijn> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15559
[07:27] <pmjdebruijn> that's my debian/rules
[07:28] <sladen> pmjdebruijn: both 'acpi-support' and 'example-content' have filenames with spaces in them inside
[07:29] <\sh> sladen: we should fix it ;)
[07:29] <pmjdebruijn> sladen, I'll investigate example-content :) thanks
[07:31] <sladen> pmjdebruijn: try using 'install' rather than 'dh_install'
[07:31] <pmjdebruijn> sladen, yeah example-content isn't using dh_install either
[07:31] <sladen> pmjdebruijn: and/or you probably want somethin that installs the files to  $DESTDIR/usr/lib....
[07:31] <sladen> not to /usr/lib
[07:32] <pmjdebruijn> sladen, does $DESTDIR work with dpkg-buildpackage
[07:32] <Yagisan> someone have a few minutes to go over icons with me ?
[07:34] <sladen> pmjdebruijn: dpkg-buildpackage just calls  debian/rules *  in the correct order
[07:35] <\sh> pmjdebruijn: $DESTDIR is something for the upstream source makefile
[07:35] <Yagisan> I have a .png installed in /usr/share/pixmaps/deng.png yet the .desktop file shows no icon, and the debian menu has a box icon.
[07:36] <sladen> Yagisan: what are the permiisions on the file?
[07:36] <Yagisan> sladen: all read
[07:36] <Yagisan> sladen: specifically -rw-r--r--
[07:37] <sladen> Yagisan: what's the .desktop file;  and what's the contents of the desktop file?
[07:37] <pmjdebruijn> \sh, there is no upstream makefile
[07:38] <\sh> pmjdebruijn: then you need to implement the behaviour by yourself
[07:38] <Yagisan> sladen: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15560
[07:39] <sladen> pmjdebruijn: you want to be installing the files in   debian/pcakgesname/usr/lib/...
[07:40] <Yagisan> sladen: look correct ?
[07:42] <pmjdebruijn> sladen, sweet, that works :)
[07:46] <sladen> Yagisan: mmmm, seems to
[07:49] <Yagisan> sladen: ok. if it's not me, I don't know what it is then.
[07:51] <pmjdebruijn> http://www.xs4all.nl/~bruijn9/temp/openoffice.org-humanist-templates_0.3-1_all.deb
[07:51] <pmjdebruijn> it worked thanks all :)
[07:56] <kagou> hi
[07:58] <\sh> ok..guys, going to bed..
[07:58] <\sh> cu
[07:58] <pmjdebruijn> thanks again.. bye
[08:18] <havoc> ok, got zoneminder *mostly* working now
[08:18] <havoc> had to build ffmpeg from cvs
[08:30] <havoc> gah, still no go :(
[08:30] <crimsun_> tseng: is the symptom reproducible if you play them from your IDE({P,S}ATA) HD?
[08:34] <havoc> heh, zoneminder is already listed in: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/Candidates?action=show&redirect=UniverseCandidates
[08:49] <tseng> crimsun_: will see
[08:49] <tseng> crimsun_: it used to happen with mythtv playing off the capture card
[08:49] <tseng> to a ringbuffer
[08:50] <crimsun_> tseng: ok
[08:53] <crimsun_> sivang: RE: etherape, it seems to install fine here in a dapper i386 chroot
[08:54] <crimsun_> sivang: hint, libpcap0.7 is a main package; are your repositories enabled correctly?
[09:16] <Sp4rKy> hi
[09:28] <nthdegree_> where's the qt headers again
[09:28] <jpatrick> libqt3-mt-dev
[09:29] <nthdegree_> no where they are stored
[09:29] <nthdegree_> on the filesystem
[09:29] <crimsun_> http://packages.ubuntu.com/libqt3-mt-dev
[09:29] <crimsun_> scroll down, click List
[09:29] <jpatrick>  /usr/share/include/qt3
[09:30] <nthdegree_> thanks
[09:36] <ryanakca> ok, I get an error when running dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -sa  on the source of kcontrol obtained threw apt-get source kcontrol. I'm just practicing... but it IS confusing... especially when you can't build the source of a prebuilt package.... http://pastebin.ca/64499
[09:37] <ryanakca> and I don't think I should have to build a changelog each time I build a package... well a premade package... a new one is fine, but the source of one...
[09:45] <ryanakca> also, another question, why do I have to run "sudo apt-get build-dep kcontrol" if kcontrol is allready installed? http://pastebin.ca/64502
[09:45] <crimsun_> ryanakca: build dependencies are /not/ identical to runtime dependencies.
[09:46] <crimsun_> ryanakca: the tools needed to build an automobile obviously differ from the tools required to drive one
[09:46] <crimsun_> ryanakca: you need to run dpkg-buildpackage from the root of the extracted source.
[09:46] <ryanakca> crimsun_: lol, nice analogy... Thanks...
[09:46] <crimsun_> ryanakca: note that you're one level deeper
[09:47] <ryanakca> so I have to build kde-base and not kcontrol?
[09:47] <crimsun_> you're building kdebase, which is the source package
[09:47] <crimsun_> building the source package generates the binary packages
[09:47] <ryanakca> kk... just wondering... because debuild runs in kcontrol...
[09:48] <ryanakca> oh well, thanks :)
[09:48] <sladen> ryanakca: the tools required to build cars can build lots of different types of car
[09:48] <crimsun_> that's because debuild is a bit more intelligent about checking where you are in the actual source tree
[09:48] <ryanakca> lol
[09:48] <ryanakca> :)
[09:49] <crimsun_> same. Makes my life a bit less stressful.
[09:49] <ryanakca> I think I'll be using debuild too...
[09:49] <ryanakca> do people still use dh_make?
[09:49] <crimsun_> sure
[09:50] <Gloubiboulga> yep, I use it too :)
[09:51] <ryanakca> does debuild "debianize" the source directory? Or is it just dh_make that does that... I'm trying to piece together information here and there along with the "Debian Net Maintainers' Guide"
[09:53] <crimsun_> debuild requires infrastructure to be present.
[09:53] <crimsun_> dh_make can generate that infrastructure.
[09:54] <crimsun_> if you're finding it all a bit much, I recommend you start with the Packaging Guide available from System> Help
[09:54] <ryanakca> ??? so debuild requires the DEBIAN/ directory, and its dh_make that creates it. right?
[09:54] <crimsun_> (and one level deeper, but I appear to have uninstalled yelp, which messes with that)
[09:55] <crimsun_> ryanakca: dh_make is one method of debianising a pristine source package, yes
[10:25] <ryanakca> crimsun_: packaging guide isn't in the KDE Help Center... you in GNOME or KDE?
[10:25] <crimsun_> ryanakca: the former
[10:25] <ryanakca> lol, that's why :)
[10:25] <crimsun_> ryanakca: use http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html
[10:26] <ryanakca> thanks
[11:21] <nthdegree_> can someone tell me how to use pbuilder in a non-chrooted environment
[11:21] <crimsun_> nthdegree_: a.k.a. the `normal' usage?
[11:22] <nthdegree_> iunno it wants debootstrap but i'm using my running system
[11:22] <Sp4rKy> youpi , my first package seems good (advocated by one MOTU :)
[11:23] <nthdegree_> mine isn't done yet
[11:23] <nthdegree_> i need to do pbuilder but it's pissing me off over debootstrap
[11:23] <crimsun_> nthdegree_: pbuilder is dead easy.
[11:24] <crimsun_> apt-get install pbuilder && cp /etc/pbuilderrc ~/.pbuilderrc
[11:25] <nthdegree_> ok i got it going with pbuilder create
[11:25] <crimsun_> well, you need to change ~/.pbuilderrc first...
[11:25] <nthdegree_> why?
[11:25] <crimsun_> specifically, you need to change #COMPONENTS="main restricted universe multiverse" to
[11:26] <crimsun_> COMPONENTS="main restricted universe"
[11:28] <nthdegree_> well crimsun_ i did that :)
[11:29] <crimsun_> ``pbuilder foo.dsc''
[11:29] <crimsun_> it's pretty straightforward :)
[11:30] <nthdegree_> yeah I just gotta wait for it to download all this cr@p that I already have lol
[11:31] <nthdegree_> i made about 5 gpg keys to get everything straight
[11:31] <nthdegree_> i'm gonna have problems backing the actual one up
[11:32] <nthdegree_> plus I have to get the key into CentOS, Slackware and Kubuntu i386
[11:53] <nthdegree_> oh poo
[11:53] <nthdegree_> still not done my package
[11:53] <nthdegree_> the rules need altering
[11:54] <nthdegree_> it's not getting the dependencies i need
[11:54] <crimsun_> ...rules?
[11:54] <crimsun_> debian/rules has nothing to do with dependencies. That's debian/control's realm.
[11:54] <nthdegree_> crimsun_ it isn't downloading the components i need
[11:54] <nthdegree_>  i need the Qt bits
[11:54] <crimsun_> to build it?
[11:55] <nthdegree_> yes
[11:55] <crimsun_> then fix debian/control:Build-Depends
[11:55] <nthdegree_> how do i lay that out
[11:56] <crimsun_> come again?
[11:56] <nthdegree_> Depends: ${shlibs:Depends}, ${misc:Depends},  <--- what do I add to the end lol
[11:56] <crimsun_> does it build correctly?
[11:56] <nthdegree_> no it won't even configure
[11:57] <crimsun_> < crimsun_> then fix debian/control:Build-Depends
[11:57] <crimsun_> you need at least libqt3-mt-dev
[11:57] <crimsun_> (possibly libqt3-compat-headers, too)
[11:57] <nthdegree_> i do, the developer hasn't converted it all yet
[11:58] <nthdegree_> what do I put for section?
[11:58] <nthdegree_> it's an internet application
[12:02] <ryanakca> does debuild use pbuilder as well?
[12:02] <nthdegree_> no ryanakca
[12:02] <nthdegree_> you run debuild -S then sudo pbuilder build ../*.dsc
[12:03] <nthdegree_> that's the standard way anyways