[12:37] <pygi> hey hey people
[12:46] <LaserJock> hi pygi 
[12:46] <pygi> hey hey LaserJock, whats up? ;)
[12:46] <LaserJock> oh, just working
[12:49] <pygi> ah :)
[01:38] <felipe__> Hello, It seems that my dhcp3-server is not starting with the OS. I've tried to restart it, and it fails....(I'm running edubuntu from a virtual manchine VMWARE)
[02:06] <dm_> Hello, it's me again, this time trying to get an older CRT working flicker-free by adding a modeline to lts.conf. But the clients ignore this file (fgrep "lts.conf" in the /etc directory returns 0 matches). How do I have to do that in the ubuntu/edubuntu implementation of LTSP?
[03:15] <bddebian> Hello
[03:16] <P3L|C4N0> greetings
[03:17] <bddebian> Hello P3L|C4N0
[03:18] <P3L|C4N0> hello bddebian 
[05:02] <yurtboy> anyone know why my keyboard keys do not work (other then numbers row) when booting the ltsp client?
[05:08] <mhz> did you use numlock?
[05:08] <yurtboy> no the number keys above the qwerty keys
[05:09] <yurtboy> I can't log in since I can not type
[05:09] <yurtboy> works fine though via ltsp 4.2 but not back to edubuntu
[05:15] <yurtboy> it only works if I remove the ltsp.cong
[05:15] <yurtboy> it only works if I remove the ltsp.conf
[05:16] <yurtboy> lts.conf
[06:19] <k31th> hello
[07:52] <m5m> Is there a grading software package included with edubuntu?  I have it edubuntu installed, but haven't found a gradebook application...
[07:53] <mhz> m5m: well, not shipped in the cd but sure at the repositories
[07:53] <mhz> m5m: not sure if schooltool has that
[07:53] <mhz> and we do ship schooltool
[07:54] <m5m> thanks mhz
[07:57] <m5m> I'm running a few edubuntu-workstations in my classroom, don't have the resources to set up the server-client system at the moment, do you know if schooltool could be run in a workstation environment?  maybe via apache on the workstation it's set up on?
[08:02] <mhz> m5m: yeah
[08:02] <mhz> localhost:...
[08:02] <mhz> hmmm
[08:20] <m5m> it's 7080 it looks like :-P
[08:20] <mhz> yeah!
[08:20] <mhz> m5m: thx
[08:20] <mhz> but you need to login :)
[09:58] <HedgeMage> hi cbx33 
[10:00] <cbx33> hey HedgeMage ] 
[10:00] <cbx33> we should have the log by the end of the day
[10:00] <cbx33> soirry yesterday was hectic
[10:00] <HedgeMage> cbx33: np I really really appreciate you helping out
[10:00] <cbx33> not a problem
[10:00] <HedgeMage> I'm working on the new theme as we speak
[10:00] <cbx33> excellent
[10:00] <cbx33> we're really keen to see that
[10:01] <cbx33> as we want to make sure what we have fits
[10:01] <cbx33> ping pygi 
[10:02] <HedgeMage> Well, my plan is to get it mostly-done tonight, then polish and do random-weird-browser checks tomorrow.
[10:02] <pygi> cbx33, what I did this time? :P
[10:02] <HedgeMage> so, I'll /msg you when it's off the canned theme and on to the theme-in-progress.
[10:02] <cbx33> nothing
[10:02] <cbx33> was after a little python advice
[10:02] <cbx33> HedgeMage: please
[10:03] <cbx33> it's about closing the main gtk window
[10:03] <cbx33> I want smoething to happen before it gets closed down
[10:04] <cbx33> which I've done
[10:04] <cbx33> but the problem is I'm getting a Force Quit dialog showing
[10:06] <pygi> uh :-/
[10:07] <cbx33> does that make sense?
[10:07] <cbx33> I have used a delete_event function
[10:07] <cbx33> to intercept the gtk.destroy event
[10:07] <cbx33> and pop up a dialog box.  Problem is if the dialog box is up for more than a few seconds it thinks the program has crashed
[10:08] <cbx33> how else can I do this?
[10:13] <cbx33> brb
[10:14] <cbx33> back
[10:14] <cbx33> do you see what I mean
[10:15] <pygi> cbx33, yes I do
[10:15] <cbx33> but I can't find anywhere on the net the proper way of doing it
[10:16] <cbx33> infact, they do even site the way I've done this as the proper way of doing this
[10:17] <pygi> Never needed to intercept gtk.destroy by now :-/
[10:18] <cbx33> oh
[10:18] <cbx33> are you sure you want to quit :p
[10:19] <cbx33> it must be possible
[10:19] <pygi> hm, you could do hooking
[10:19] <cbx33> hooking?
[10:20] <pygi> hm, basicly, with hooking (if you hook gtk.destroy event) you could start showing another form
[10:21] <cbx33> what would be the other form?
[10:21] <pygi> well, that one: "Are you sure you wanna quit?" :P
[10:22] <cbx33> what if they click canel?
[10:22] <pygi> then the action you defided on cancel button would happen
[10:36] <cbx33> pygi: but the window would alredy be destroyed no?
[10:36] <pygi> nop
[10:36] <cbx33> but isn't that what delete_event should do?
[10:39] <cbx33> http://www.progbox.co.uk/gisomount/gisomount
[10:39] <cbx33> that's the code as is
[10:39] <cbx33> self.win.connect("delete_event", self.delete_event)
[10:39] <cbx33> connects it up
[10:39] <cbx33> what changes would I make?
[10:39] <pygi> well, you see hooking allows you to intercept stuff
[10:39] <pygi> before they are executed
[10:40] <cbx33> oh cool i see
[10:40] <cbx33> you got an example somewhere?
[10:44] <pygi> hm, not really :-/
[10:44] <pygi> or sec, lemme try to write something :)
[10:44] <cbx33> pygi you're a star
[10:49] <pygi> cbx33, gimme the code example of how you did it, so I can see what could have gone wrong
[10:50] <cbx33> http://www.progbox.co.uk/gisomount/gisomount
[10:50] <cbx33> self.win.connect("delete_event", self.delete_event)
[10:50] <cbx33> connects the event handler
[10:51] <cbx33> and the actual function is called delete_event
[10:51] <pygi> what about this:
[10:51] <pygi>  win = gtk.Window()
[10:51] <pygi>  def on_delete_event(widget, event):
[10:51] <pygi>    print "Delete was called but I won't die!"
[10:51] <pygi>    return True
[10:51] <pygi>  win.connect("delete-event",on_delete_event)
[10:52] <cbx33> that works 
[10:52] <cbx33> because there is no pause in the on_delete_event function
[10:52] <cbx33> me having a dialog window in there means it pauses
[10:52] <cbx33> and hence the event is in a state of...have I been delete, have I been cancelled
[10:53] <pygi> well, what's the problem then? :)
[10:53] <cbx33> the pause in the function means the Force Quit dialog shows up
[10:53] <cbx33> after your print statement
[10:53] <cbx33> try adding a dialog box inthere with an ok button
[10:53] <cbx33> while it's waiting for use input it thinks it has crashed
[10:54] <pygi> erhm :-/
[10:55] <cbx33> do you see what I mean now?
[10:55] <pygi> yes, I do
[10:56] <cbx33> my only other ugly hack method is for that function to set a flag, saying I want to close and for a gobject timer to poll that flag and act accordingly
[10:57] <cbx33> that way the delete_event function could execute cleanly
[10:57] <cbx33> and quickly
[10:58] <pygi> yes, but it's weird :-/
[10:58] <cbx33> I know
[10:58] <cbx33> think it's a bug?
[10:58] <cbx33> heheh
[10:58] <cbx33> I can see logically why it happens
[10:58] <cbx33> but I can't see an "expensive" way roiund it
[11:12] <cbx33> shall i do it that way for now
[11:12] <cbx33> or do you think there is another better way?
[11:13] <pygi> There is a better way ofcourse, I just can't remember it this second :-/
[11:16] <dm_> Hello. I have problems with LTSP (which is AFAIK used in EDUbuntu) and X_MODE lines in its lts.conf. 
[11:16] <dm_> Can anybody tell me the correct syntax to let the client's X server switch to the monitor values set in that file?
[11:19] <cbx33> dm_ no, not off hand
[11:19] <cbx33> ogra would know
[11:19] <cbx33> but he's not arrived yet
[11:19] <cbx33> he'll be here shortly I would think
[11:19] <cbx33> pygi: sure
[11:19] <cbx33> I'll leave it for a while and see if I can get the answer
[11:20] <dm_> cbx33: ;-) that's what they said in #ltsp ...
[11:20] <cbx33> hehe ogra is the man
[11:21] <DanielC> Stupid question: Could someone tell me what /24 means in "192.168.0.1/24"? In which context would I see that?
[11:21] <cbx33> it's the hmm
[11:21] <cbx33> iknow this
[11:22] <cbx33> isn't it the subnet bits?
[11:22] <DanielC> That's what I keep telling myself :)  I /used/ to understand this.
[11:22] <dm_> DanielC: Its the same as netmask 255.255.255.0
[11:22] <DanielC> ah
[11:22] <DanielC> So every multiple of 8 gives me another 255.
[11:23] <dm_> DanielC: It means that the first 24 bits of the IP addr is the network, the remaining 8 the subnet
[11:23] <DanielC> So, /8 == 255.0.0.0 and /16 == 255.255.0.0
[11:23] <dm_> Yes
[11:23] <cbx33> yes it is the subnet mask
[11:23] <dm_> And between
[11:23] <cbx33> man havn't used that in ages
[11:24] <DanielC> dm_: And what you said means that with /24 all the computers will have addresses of the form 192.168.0.{something}  right?
[11:24] <dm_> And /28 would be something around 255.255.255.196
[11:24] <dm_> Right
[11:24] <DanielC> Ok, gotcha.
[11:24] <DanielC> Thanks.
[11:24] <cbx33> phew i'm glad i knew it :P
[11:28] <cbx33> hi Yagisan 
[11:28] <pygi> hey Yagisan, whats up? :)
[11:29] <cbx33> hey Yagisan howz your python skillz?
[11:29] <Yagisan> lets see, getting flamed by ungrateful users, waiting for dinner, needing to get a sarge pbuilder set up, and 1GB+ of .debs to update, and uscan && uupdate ain't going to work on them.
[11:29] <Yagisan> cbx33: non-existant
[11:29] <cbx33> dang it
[11:30] <Yagisan> cbx33: yeah - I need to package a python app too. :(
[11:30] <cbx33> oh?
[11:31] <pygi> Yagisan, ah, well :)
[11:32] <RobinShepheard> Yagisan: hiya
[11:32] <pygi> Yagisan, how's your daughter's hand btw.?
[11:33] <Yagisan> pygi: getting better now.
[11:34] <Yagisan> RobinShepheard: still here ?
[11:34] <pygi> Yagisan, nice :)
[11:34] <RobinShepheard> Yagisan: well sort of, I have just moved to the office from home, but that is about all that has changes
[11:34] <RobinShepheard> *changed
[11:35] <Yagisan> RobinShepheard: as I recall, we were talking about alcoholic drinks
[11:35] <RobinShepheard> lol that would be right umechu was it??
[11:35] <Yagisan> yes it was. :) I could use some now
[11:36] <RobinShepheard> bit early for me, it is 10:36am here
[11:38] <RobinShepheard> Yagisan: windows user moan the most cos windows breaks the most
[11:39] <DanielC> Yagisan: Do you do tech support for a living?
[11:40] <Yagisan> DanielC: used to. I now do e-security as a living (in short - I break into networks and systems)
[11:40] <spacey> =)
[11:40] <DanielC> Yagisan: You mean like the movie "Sneakers"? cool!
[11:41] <Yagisan> DanielC: exactly. I don't get enough jobs like that though :( I enjoy that the most
[11:41] <spacey> Yagisan: we also integrate windows and linux
[11:41] <spacey> thats the only thing we do with windows, integrate it into linux or get rid of it:)
[11:42] <DanielC> heh :)
[11:42] <Yagisan> yep. then I can collect my support fees for coming over and running "sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude upgrade" ;)
[11:42] <spacey> Yagisan: not remote?
[11:42] <Yagisan> at least, I'd like to
[11:43] <Yagisan> spacey: customers like the fact that I pop by to check on them, gives them a warm fuzzy feeling
[11:43] <Yagisan> spacey: and stops them looking elsewhere
[11:44] <spacey> Yagisan: yeah we pop by as well on regular basis, but we prefer to work remote
[11:44] <spacey> :)
[11:44] <Yagisan> spacey: certainly remote is possible, but it's more a PR then technical reason to see them
[11:44] <DanielC> Going to the users place has some extra value. It helps them get to know you. You know, build a customer-client relationship.
[11:44] <RobinShepheard> spacey: It is true, it is the perception that you must be doing something if they see you, where as if you work from home they reckon you can't be doing anything
[11:44] <spacey> also depends on client size
[11:44] <spacey> RobinShepheard: i work from office:)
[11:45] <DanielC> RobinShepheard: Not only that though. There is a human relations side to it as well. Communicating with your clients.
[11:45] <RobinShepheard> spacey: so do I now, used to run my own company, but traded it in for a regular wage
[11:45] <spacey> we have really good reponsetimes when problems occur, also important =)
[11:45] <spacey> RobinShepheard: i run my own company at the moment
[11:45] <spacey> got an office space two months ago =)
[11:45] <RobinShepheard> where in the world are you spacey??
[11:46] <RobinShepheard> sweet, I ran my firm fro home
[11:46] <RobinShepheard> *from
[11:46] <spacey> RobinShepheard: the netherlands
[11:46] <cbx33> spacey: did you watch the match?
[11:46] <RobinShepheard> ahh, nice country, I spent some time in the hague when my uncle worked for shell there
[11:47] <spacey> cbx33: which match?
[11:47] <spacey> RobinShepheard: ah
[11:48] <spacey> RobinShepheard: where are you from?
[11:48] <cbx33> football
[11:48] <cbx33> worldcup?
[11:48] <spacey> cbx33: like is said, which match?
[11:48] <cbx33> i thought there was one yesterday?
[11:49] <spacey> two
[11:49] <spacey> nl vs servia and angola vs portugal
[11:49] <spacey> at least i have seen those
[11:49] <RobinShepheard> spacey: I am from the UK
[11:49] <spacey> ah
[11:49] <cbx33> me too
[11:50] <spacey> we won \o/
[11:50] <cbx33> :( I can't find a way to get this bloody python working
[11:50] <cbx33> I know
[11:50] <cbx33> I was wating it on ascii
[11:50] <RobinShepheard> ??
[11:50] <cbx33> there's a telnet ascii live broadcast
[11:51] <RobinShepheard> cbx33: seriously
[11:51] <cbx33> seriously
[11:51] <cbx33> but the res isn't great
[11:51] <RobinShepheard> I am not really a footbal fan so I have not been that bothered, I just like to know we are doing ok
[11:51] <cbx33> we're doing ok
[11:52] <spacey> i don't really care about football
[11:52] <spacey> but it was 30 degrees outside
[11:52] <RobinShepheard> yeah, I gather we only won because of an own goal, doesn't sound like we are doing that well
[11:52] <spacey> so its a good excuse to relax 
[11:52] <cbx33> as I said ok
[11:52] <cbx33> I don;t really care much either
[11:52] <RobinShepheard> spacey: yeah I am a rugby fan
[11:52] <RobinShepheard> much better game that one
[11:52] <spacey> i don't even know the players names (well maybe 4 names)
[11:53] <spacey> i'm not a fan in any case =)
[11:53] <RobinShepheard> I can name 5 of the england players and that is it, I can name about a doen that have retired though :)
[11:53] <RobinShepheard> *dozen
[11:53] <cbx33> heheh
[11:54] <spacey> cbx33: where are you from btw?
[11:54] <RobinShepheard> first proper client machine to be used in anger today on the office network
[11:54] <spacey> to get things in context a bit
[11:54] <RobinShepheard> today
[11:55] <RobinShepheard> spacey: cbx is from just down the road from me, about 50 kilometres
[11:55] <RobinShepheard> Yagisan: which game will that be??
[11:55] <cbx33> GGRRRRRRRR
[11:56] <cbx33> where has mplayer gone from universe?
[11:56] <cbx33> Yagisan: lol
[11:56] <cbx33> do we not have mplayer anymore?
[11:56] <spacey> RobinShepheard: ah, thats funny
[11:56] <spacey> pretty long road
[11:57] <RobinShepheard> well, not that far, I used to work 160km from home
[11:57] <Yagisan> cbx33: we have mplayer. update again, sounds like a failed update.
[11:59] <spacey> cbx33: its in multiverse AFAIK
[11:59] <cbx33> kmplayer-base - Base files for KMPlayerkmplayer-doc - Handbook for KMPlayerkmplayer-konq-plugins - KMPlayer plugin for KHTML/Konquerorkmplayer - media player for KDEksubtile - subtitle editor for KDEtea - small text editor with syntax highlighting & UTF support
[11:59] <cbx33> ahh
[11:59] <cbx33> ok
[12:00] <spacey> great that h264 is quite well supported now
[12:00] <spacey> before it was really laggy
[12:00] <Yagisan> yep. I sent the first patches to make it build the h264 support
[12:00] <cbx33> w00000t
[12:01] <Yagisan> of course, my patches never did get used, but we got the h264 support
[12:01] <cbx33> do we still have to get codecs from elsewhere?
[12:01] <Yagisan> cbx33: only WMV9 (for crap porn), and Realplayer 10 (more crap porn)
[12:03] <cbx33> phew
[12:03] <cbx33> ahh....music to soothe my soul
[12:06] <RobinShepheard> lol Yagisan
[12:09] <Yagisan> marriage - when your net porn is no longer called "Asian 3some Fanatasy.avi" but rather "Neighbours (TVRIP) 2006-06-12.avi" ;)
[12:10] <Yagisan> the nicest thing here, is because things hardly ever go wrong, we can chat about anything.
[12:11] <cbx33> Yagisan: say i needed the wmv9 because some dilbert didn't use a proper format
[12:12] <Yagisan> cbx33: you'll need w32codecs, and be running i386. 
[12:12] <cbx33> oh you're kidding
[12:13] <Yagisan> cbx33: nope. that wmv9 shit hasn't been reverse engineered AFAIK
[12:13] <cbx33> ok
[12:14] <Yagisan> cbx33: it's a step back in quality. rather like that old DivX3 stuff
[12:14] <Yagisan> cbx33: and in typical microsoft fashion, not standards compliant
[12:15] <Yagisan> DivX3 != DIvX or DivX5
[12:15] <Yagisan> DivX3 is a hacked MSMPEG2 (WMV9 predecessors) IIRC
[12:16] <cbx33> ah
[12:48] <DanielC> I re-installed Edubuntu and now it doesn't detect one of the ethernet cards.
[12:48] <DanielC> What is the hardware detection program?
[12:48] <DanielC> How can I run the hardware detection again?
[12:56] <DanielC> Ok, this is what I did: I edited /etc/network/interfaces and added a line for eth1. I ran "ifup eth1" and magically it worked.
[12:57] <DanielC> I don't like it when I don't understand why something works.
[12:59] <DanielC> Does this mean that 'ifup' also does hardware detection or something like that?
[01:01] <DanielC> How does Linux decide which card is eth0 and which is eth1? It doesn't seem to be consistent between different installations on the same hardware.
[01:01] <DanielC> This worries me. What if I configure eth0 to do one thing and eth1 to do another and later Linux decides to switch eth0 and eth1?
[01:04] <rodarvus> hi there
[01:04] <cbx33> hey ogra 
[01:06] <cbx33> need a little help
[01:07] <cbx33> when you have a second
[01:07] <cbx33> pygi is a little stumped too
[01:14] <cbx33> I'm trying to use a delete_event to stop the gtk window from being closed,so that I can pop up a dialog box for some choices.  The problem is that because the delete_event is hanging in limbo, gnome thinks the program has crashed and shows the "Force Quit" dialog box
[01:14] <cbx33> and way you can think of doing it....?
[01:15] <cbx33> my only other ugly hack method is to make the delete_event handler set a flag that we are scheduling to close the program, and for a gobject timer to keep polling it
[01:15] <cbx33> but tha'ts not ideal is it ogra ?
[01:30] <spacey> DanielC: i don't think it will swap after install
[01:30] <spacey> DanielC: ifup only brings the interface up
[01:30] <spacey> so the driver was already loaded
[01:30] <spacey> see dmesg
[01:30] <DanielC> spacey: What if you add another ethernet card later?
[01:31] <spacey> then it could swap i guess
[01:31] <spacey> but at least its not unexpected then
[01:31] <DanielC> That's what happened in this case, sort of. I installed but Ubuntu didn't detect the ethernet card. So I moved it to another PCI slot and then it detected it.
[01:31] <DanielC> I wish I understood hardware detection better.
[01:32] <spacey> it is just automagic
[01:32] <DanielC> Is there a program for detecting hardware or is this 100% kernel magic?
[01:32] <spacey> also a part in userland
[01:32] <spacey> but its all magic :o)
[01:33] <DanielC> :-)
[01:33] <DanielC> Part of userland? So is this a separate program and not just the kernel?
[01:33] <spacey> udev
[01:33] <spacey> not sure how its fits together exactly
[01:33] <spacey> but it Just Works(TM)
[01:34] <spacey> you can see in `dmesg` when drivers are loaded
[01:34] <cbx33> DanielC: it shouldn't swap after install
[01:34] <spacey> ofcourse you have to configure a networkcard after installation
[01:34] <cbx33> they are stored in a file 
[01:34] <DanielC> Thanks for the pointer though :)  I'll read the udev* man pages (I didn't know about udev before).
[01:34] <cbx33> somewhere i forget where
[01:34] <spacey> cbx33: it doesn't really matter
[01:35] <cbx33> true
[01:35] <spacey> DanielC: as an end user you don't have to know
[01:35] <DanielC> spacey: By "configure the network card" are you just talking about /etc/network/interfaces ?
[01:35] <spacey> just look if your hardware is detected in `dmesg`
[01:35] <spacey> DanielC: yup
[01:35] <DanielC> spacey: If I want to be a system administrator, is this something I should know?
[01:36] <cbx33> DanielC: doubtful
[01:36] <cbx33> most sysadmin is knowing where to find the stuff you need rather than know it all
[01:36] <spacey> DanielC: not really,
[01:36] <cbx33> DanielC: how old are you?
[01:36] <DanielC> I'm 27.
[01:36] <spacey> knowing that it exists is helpful ofcourse
[01:37] <cbx33> what do you do for a job currently
[01:37] <spacey> and what it does, but you won't need it in practice (at least i don't)
[01:37] <DanielC> Ok. So hardware detection is kernel magic and all I can do is see if the kernel detected it (e.g. lsmod, dmesg, etc).
[01:37] <DanielC> cbx33: PHP/MySQL mostly.
[01:37] <spacey> yeah basicly yes
[01:37] <DanielC> cbx33: My background is in mathematics.
[01:37] <cbx33> i see
[01:38] <cbx33> but I'm the IT Manager/SysAdmin at a school
[01:38] <cbx33> at the moment
[01:38] <DanielC> I'm a Linux geek. Been using Linux for 8 years, but I've never admin a critical system and I'd like to be able to do so.
[01:38] <cbx33> ah i see
[01:39] <DanielC> For starters I'm setting up non-critical Linux thin clients in local schools.
[01:39] <cbx33> nice
[01:40] <cbx33> edubuntu?
[01:40] <cbx33> ;P
[01:40] <DanielC> So if they fail to work it's not catastrophic. So it gives me a chance to learn.
[01:40] <DanielC> Yes, Edubuntu :)
[01:40] <cbx33> yeh
[01:40] <cbx33> and it gives them alot for free
[01:40] <DanielC> Yup
[01:41] <DanielC> I've only done it once so far. We went to a school that we're "friends" with. We offered to reuse their old computers that they were going to throw away, and do all the labour for free if they'd allow us to experiment on them.
[01:41] <cbx33> nice
[01:41] <DanielC> It works well because it gives me a low-pressure opportunity to learn this.
[01:55] <EmxBA> hi guys
[01:55] <EmxBA> is edubuntu girl here
[01:55] <EmxBA> :D
[01:56] <EmxBA> bluekuja, hi
[02:16] <DanielC> Help. I run 'ifup eth1' and it just hangs there forever. eth1 is pointing to the clients, it's configured with:
[02:16] <DanielC> iface eth1 inet static
[02:16] <DanielC>     address 192.168.17.1
[02:16] <DanielC>     netmask 255.255.255.0
[02:16] <DanielC>     gateway 192.168.17.1
[02:18] <cbx33> DanielC: did you try running
[02:18] <cbx33>  /etc/init.d/networking restart
[02:20] <DanielC> yes
[02:20] <DanielC> It takes forever.
[02:20] <DanielC> It does return eventually though.
[02:20] <cbx33> does it configure ok?
[02:21] <DanielC> Judging from the output it seems 'alright' but the delay worries me.
[02:21] <DanielC> I don't know if it configures correctly because I can't start the DHCP server :(
[02:21] <cbx33> sounds like a DNS issue?
[02:21] <cbx33> they normally take a while
[02:21] <DanielC> Ok.
[02:21] <DanielC> Well, I'll leave it for now then.
[02:22] <cbx33> is this on the serveR?
[02:22] <DanielC> I don't understand why the dhcp server won't start. Running /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server restart only says "fail".
[02:22] <DanielC> Yes, this is the Edubuntu server.
[02:22] <DanielC> This is a brand-new install.
[02:22] <ogra> DanielC, did you follow the gettingstarted document from the channel topic ? 
[02:23] <DanielC> I've edited /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf to match the addresses I want it to give out.
[02:23] <cbx33> ogra: hhhheyy buddy
[02:23] <ogra> hi cbx33 
[02:23] <DanielC> ogra: As closely as possible.
[02:23] <ogra> sorry, i'm late today, too many maills if you are away for two days
[02:23] <cbx33> yeh I saw you were away
[02:24] <ogra> DanielC, look in 7var7log/daemon.log, the dhpc server will tell you whats wrong 
[02:24] <cbx33> up to anything fun
[02:24] <ogra> err
[02:24] <DanielC> ogra: I'm using a different network IP range (192.168.17.x). I've configured /etc/network/interfaces and /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf to match.
[02:24] <ogra>  /var/log/daemon.log
[02:24] <DanielC> ogra: Ok. I'll go look.
[02:25] <cbx33> ogra, sorry to bug you
[02:25] <cbx33> i have a little python question
[02:26] <ogra> cbx33, yup, saw it above ...
[02:27] <cbx33> can you offer any advice?
[02:27] <ogra>         self.win = self.wTree.get_widget("window")
[02:27] <ogra>         self.win.connect("destroy", lambda w: some_function_diaplaying_a_popup())
[02:27] <cbx33> really?
[02:27] <ogra> *displaying too :)
[02:27] <cbx33> that simple?
[02:27] <ogra> yep
[02:27] <DanielC> ogra: Thanks! That log showed me the problem.
[02:27] <DanielC> ogra: It works now.
[02:28] <ogra> cbx33, the function should call gtk.main_quit() after the dialog returned
[02:28] <ogra> DanielC, great :)
[02:28] <DanielC> ogra: Mi mis-edited /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf and told it to serve IP's from 192.168.17.20 to 192.168.0.250  (notice the .0. instead of .17.)
[02:29] <ogra> yeh
[02:29] <ogra> :)
[02:29] <ogra> i make such typos as well :) 
[02:29] <DanielC> :)
[02:29] <ogra> http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/LTSPManager/ will solve that in edgy i hope ;)
[02:30] <DanielC> Does anyone know who is responsible for dhcpd.conf? I think it should default to something other than 192.168.0.x or else grab the information at install time.
[02:31] <DanielC> Ideally it should match the values entered by the user at install time.
[02:31] <pygi> ogra, nice, so something is there already ;)
[02:31] <ogra> pygi, its already packaged and waits for the archive to be ready to upload ...
[02:32] <pygi> great ;)
[02:32] <ogra> we cant build X stuff yet ... the toolchain is still not done
[02:32] <DanielC> Question: On a default Edubuntu install do I still need to run ltsp-build-client ?  I see that /opt/ltsp/i386 exists and is populated already.
[02:32] <magnon> 5~ogra, looking nice :)
[02:32] <magnon> disregard weird characters
[02:33] <ogra> DanielC, ltsp-build-client is run from the CD installer, so if you do a fresh install thats not needed
[02:33] <DanielC> ogra: Looks very good (the LTSP manager).
[02:33] <DanielC> ogra: Ok, thanks.
[02:33] <ogra> it *is* needed if you do a wrokstation install and add the ltsp biuts later or if thats an ubuntu install
[02:34] <ogra> magnon, thanks, patches accepted ;)
[02:35] <magnon> yadda yadda. some beautiful day I'll have time :p
[02:35] <ogra> :)
[02:35] <cbx33> ogra: problem is
[02:35] <cbx33> with that method you have just shown
[02:35] <cbx33> it actually destroys the window
[02:35] <cbx33> I don't want it to
[02:36] <cbx33> sure I get my dialog, but the window behind gets destroyed
[02:43] <cbx33> anyway to prevent that from happening?
[02:45] <ogra> hmm, it shouldnt happen at all until gtk.main_quit() is called
[02:45] <cbx33> well it is
[02:45] <cbx33> I'm pretty sure
[02:45] <jsgotangco> greetings
[02:45] <cbx33> lemme check something 
[02:45] <ogra> then your dialog is wrong i guess
[02:46] <cbx33> dialog = gtk.MessageDialog(self.win,               gtk.DIALOG_MODAL | gtk.DIALOG_DESTROY_WITH_PARENT,               gtk.MESSAGE_ERROR, gtk.BUTTONS_OK, None)
[02:46] <ogra> DanielC, why do you want to open unsafe xdmcp connection to your edubuntu box ? 
[02:48] <cbx33> ogra that's the function http://pastebin.com/704234
[02:48] <cbx33> and it's called via how you said 
[02:48] <ogra> hey highvoltage !
[02:48] <cbx33> hey highvoltage 
[02:48] <highvoltage> hey ogra and cbx33!
[02:49] <highvoltage> you wouldn't believe the morning i had, trying to sort out my visa
[02:49] <ogra> you poor guys and your governments
[02:49] <cbx33> highvoltage: I've started getting RSI pain in my upper arm now :(
[02:49] <highvoltage> cbx33: did you go to the doctor to diagnose it? are you sure it's RSI?
[02:49] <cbx33> not yet
[02:50] <cbx33> but I will be making an appointment soon
[02:50] <highvoltage> yes, it's best not to mess around.
[02:50] <highvoltage> i hope it's nothing serious. i mean, i hope it turns out to be something more curable.
[02:51] <ogra> cbx33, try s/dialog.destroy/dialog.hide/
[02:51] <highvoltage> last year, i was very stressed and had lots of chest pains and had tingly feelings in my left arm. everyone told me it's probably heart problems.
[02:51] <DanielC> What's the difference between /var/log/daemon.log and /var/log/messages?
[02:51] <highvoltage> but then when i went to the doctor, it turns out it was just a muscle i pulled in my chest while picking up something heavy :)
[02:51] <cbx33> ogra: the window gets destroyed as the dialog box enters
[02:51] <cbx33> highvoltage: phew
[02:52] <ogra> DanielC, daemon.log logs only events from system daemons 
[02:52] <highvoltage> i hope that your case will also be not as serious as it seems.
[02:52] <RobinShepheard> highvoltage: most people like to think the worst when you say you don't feel great
[02:52] <cbx33> highvoltage: me too
[02:52] <DanielC> ogra: Ok. So daemon.log is a subset of 'messages'?
[02:52] <RobinShepheard> I think it is a sadistic streak
[02:52] <ogra> DanielC, mesaages is a summary
[02:53] <ogra> (of several logs)
[02:53] <DanielC> ogra: So daemon.log may have more information?
[02:53] <highvoltage> RobinShepheard: yep.
[02:53] <cbx33> ogra: how about just using that delete event to always delete the destroy event?
[02:53] <cbx33> and let the destroy handler deal with it?
[02:53] <ogra> DanielC, daemon.log has detailed info if you look for problems with a system service
[02:53] <RobinShepheard> cbx33: do you do any sort of regular exercise?? , maybe best to be careful about how you answer that one
[02:54] <DanielC> ogra: Thanks.
[02:54] <cbx33> or will it not get run if the event is deleted
 ogra: how about just using that delete event to always delete the destroy event?
[02:54] <cbx33> RobinShepheard: I'm forever running up and down stairs at work, I cycle sometimes, and fly sports kites
[02:54] <ogra> thats sentecne doesnt make sense, does it ? 
[02:55] <cbx33> use the delete_event and link it to a function that always passes True, so the destroy even always gets ignored
[02:55] <RobinShepheard> cbx33: I would think it unlikely that you would get rsi in your upper arm if you fly the kites regularly, rsi tends to occur if the repetitive excersise is all you do
[02:56] <cbx33> RobinShepheard: how does 16 hours a day grab you
[02:56] <ogra> it should get ignored anyway if you dotn call gtk_main_quit ... thats whats wrong ...
[02:56] <cbx33> well it's not
[02:56] <cbx33> it's destroying it
[02:56] <cbx33> ok, I'll have a deeper dig, character by character :p
[02:59] <cbx33> ogra: there is a "on_exit" :          (gtk.main_quit) } 
[02:59] <cbx33> in the autoconnect dictionary
[02:59] <cbx33> could that be affecting it?
[03:00] <ogra> no idea, i never use glade for that, i usually use python here to have the full control if windows are opened or closed ;)
[03:00] <ogra> s/opened or closed/shown or hidden/
[03:01] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: what happened to your visa?
[03:02] <cbx33> ogra: so you don;t use glade for connecting signals
[03:03] <cbx33> you do that all with python?
[03:03] <jsgotangco> pygtk
[03:03] <ogra> cbx33, yep
[03:03] <cbx33> even all the multitudes of buttons?
[03:03] <ogra> well, waht do you need from a button usually ? 
[03:04] <cbx33> true
[03:04] <ogra> i mostly only use the "clicked" signal ;)
[03:04] <cbx33> yeh yeh :p
[03:04] <ogra> so that produces one line of extra code (or two with getting the widget from the tree) but gives more control ;)
[03:05] <cbx33> yeh i suppose
[03:07] <cbx33> ok, I've modified it to how you said
[03:07] <cbx33> but 
[03:07] <cbx33> that window is still being destroyed
[03:08] <cbx33> should that function return a value?
[03:09] <cbx33> do you have an example of an app you have written where you do this?
[03:10] <ogra> hmm, not from the top of my head
[03:13] <DanielC> Ok, a brand-new installation and NFS still won't work.
[03:14] <DanielC> On the client I run: mount -t nfs 192.168.17.1:/opt/ltsp mydir
[03:14] <DanielC> On the client I get:  mount: RCP: Timed out
[03:14] <DanielC> On the server, daemon.log says  "mountd: authenticated mount request from 192.168.17.40:740 for /opt/ltsp (/opt/ltsp)"
[03:15] <DanielC> That is all :(
[03:17] <cbx33> ogra: http://www.moeraki.com/pygtktutorial/pygtk2tutorial/ch-GettingStarted.html that's where I learnt about using the delete event
[03:17] <cbx33> they say it should be used to pop up and ask if a program should close
[03:17] <cbx33> # If you return FALSE in the "delete_event" signal handler,   18           # GTK will emit the "destroy" signal. Returning TRUE means   19           # you don't want the window to be destroyed.   20           # This is useful for popping up 'are you sure you want to quit?'   21           # type dialogs.
[03:18] <cbx33> which is exactly what I want to do, except if the dialog is on hte screen for more than a few seconds it thinks the program has crashed
[03:19] <cbx33> I think I'll have to do an ugly hack for this, delete_event + setting flag + gobject_timer for polling flag
[03:23] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: they'll let me know if i have it on wednesday or thursday
[03:23] <highvoltage> friday is a public holiday in .za
[03:23] <jsgotangco> heh same day as me
[03:23] <jsgotangco> its a public holiday today here
[03:23] <jsgotangco> (independence day)
[03:23] <jsgotangco> so i'll have to call them up tomoorow
[03:23] <highvoltage> we have youth day on friday.
[03:23] <jsgotangco> the suspense!
[03:23] <highvoltage> yeah!
[03:23] <jsgotangco> the excitement!
[03:24] <highvoltage> :)
[03:24] <jsgotangco> the expense!
[03:24] <highvoltage> :(
[03:24] <highvoltage> yeah, the travel insurance and agency fees took a sharp bite out of my budget today.
[03:28] <jsgotangco> me too
[03:29] <jsgotangco> im feeling it now lol
[03:29] <pygi> cbx33, meeting is today, right?
[03:29] <cbx33> yup
[03:29] <cbx33> i hope so
[03:29] <jsgotangco> what time?
[03:29] <pygi> 20:00 UTC
[03:29] <cbx33> ARRGGHHH python is killing me
[03:30] <cbx33> uh huh
[03:30] <jsgotangco> ahhh no deal folks
[03:30] <pygi> jsgotangco, and I asked you to reschedule meeting :P
[03:31] <pygi> no worries, jus you sleep :)
[03:31] <pygi> just*
[03:31] <jsgotangco> pygi: this week is a bit hectic, so can't commit, visa and travel preparation and all
[03:31] <pygi> jsgotangco, no worries, just you sleep ;)
[03:41] <RobinShepheard> cbx33: which meeting is it tonight??
[03:41] <pygi> wb jsgotangco 
[03:41] <pygi> RobinShepheard, cookbook
[03:42] <jsgotangco> thanks, the dsl just died
[03:42] <jsgotangco> hmm
[03:42] <RobinShepheard> pygi: thought so, just wanted to confirm
[03:43] <RobinShepheard> pygi: I got a little confused with all the emails, is it still going to be in ubuntu-cookbook or is it in ubuntu-meeting as was said about in the last email??
[03:43] <pygi> the last mail was: #edubuntu
[03:44] <pygi> I think at least :-/
[03:44] <RobinShepheard> sorry I was looking at the followup from oli
[03:45] <RobinShepheard> ok so we are still going for edubuntu yeah
[03:45] <spacey> pygi: tonight?
[03:46] <pygi> spacey, indeed
[03:46] <spacey> i thought it was wednessday
[03:46] <pygi> wednesday is s-c-p meeting
[03:46] <cbx33> pygi: I'm still no closer on that python issue
[03:46] <jsgotangco> don't get burned out =)
[03:47] <spacey> due to some changes, Cookbook meeting will
[03:47] <spacey> be wednesday 20:00 UTC at #ubuntu, cookbook.
[03:47] <spacey> thats what the mail on edubuntu-devel says
[03:49] <pygi> spacey, that's older mail I think :P
[03:50] <spacey> pygi: well thats the last mail on list that i can see
[03:50] <spacey> or my subscription is borked
[03:51] <pygi> spacey, eh, no need to slap me 'cause you don't see newest mail :P
[03:51] <spacey> there is no newer mail
[03:51] <spacey> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/edubuntu-devel/2006-June/date.html#start
[03:52] <spacey> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/edubuntu-devel/2006-June/001547.html is the last one
[03:52] <spacey> which states wednessday
[03:54] <pygi> spacey, ok, so it seems I forgot to post new things :P
[03:54] <RobinShepheard> I hate to take sides but having re-read my email, it does look like spacey is right, my last email was one from oli saying about where to have the meeting but no change
[03:55] <spacey> :p
[03:56] <k31th> yo
[03:56] <pygi> RobinShepheard, yes, he is right :P
[03:56] <spacey> muwhaha
[03:56] <RobinShepheard> pygi: sorry mate
[03:57] <spacey> =P
[03:57] <pygi> RobinShepheard, bah, sorry for what? no need to be sorry :)
[03:57] <pygi> spacey, bleh, I can also be wrong sometimes ;P
[03:57] <spacey> pygi: ofcourse ;)
[03:57] <pygi> still, the meeting is today :P
[03:57] <highvoltage> pygi: what time is that gagin?
[03:57] <RobinShepheard> here comes the onset of megolomania with that laugh
[03:57] <highvoltage> (again)
[03:58] <pygi> highvoltage, 20:00 UTC
[04:00] <jsgotangco> lol my laptop suspended accidentally
[04:00] <pygi> jsgotangco, bleh :
[04:00] <highvoltage> lol? that's never funny when it happens to me :)
[04:02] <pygi> I haven't said "lol" :)
[04:02] <jsgotangco> well i expected n-m to die...
[04:02] <jsgotangco> but it didn't
[04:02] <jsgotangco> dead n-m =  no good
[04:06] <DanielC> By default Edubuntu/Ubuntu doesn't come with a firewall, right?
[04:06] <spacey> the firewall is there, but there are no rules, so its not effective :)
[04:07] <cbx33> ogra, I've just found out it must be a bug in well, something larger
[04:07] <spacey> but iptables is ready for you =)
[04:07] <cbx33> geit does it too
[04:07] <bddebian> Howdy
[04:07] <cbx33> gedit
[04:07] <DanielC> spacey: In other words, if NFS is not working the problem is not a firewall.
[04:08] <cbx33> can someone else confirm
[04:08] <cbx33> write something in gedit
[04:08] <cbx33> goto close the application
[04:08] <cbx33> it pops up with do you want to save
[04:08] <cbx33> wait for 5 secs
[04:08] <cbx33> wait for 5 secs
[04:08] <cbx33> does it then come up with Force Quit?
[04:09] <DanielC> cbx33: This is true for any application you run in Gnome.
[04:09] <cbx33> i wish I'd have know
[04:09] <cbx33> n
[04:09] <cbx33> I spent an entire day thinking there was a bug in my code
[04:10] <cbx33> grrrrrr
[04:10] <cbx33> DanielC: is it filed as a bug?
[04:10] <DanielC> cbx33: You can try the same with OpenOffice. Edit a document, don't save, click on the top-right corner "x" to close it. OpenOffice says "are you sure you don't want to save". Wait 10 seconds and you get that message.
[04:10] <pygi> cbx33, bleh =P
[04:10] <pygi> sec, lemme try
[04:10] <cbx33> ok
[04:10] <DanielC> cbx33: I think it's a feature. What if a program freezes?
[04:10] <cbx33> well true
[04:11] <cbx33> but I have found a way round it
[04:11] <cbx33> ;)
[04:11] <DanielC> What's your method?
[04:11] <pygi> cbx33, that doesnt happen here
[04:11] <cbx33> oh?
[04:11] <cbx33> does for DanielC and me
[04:12] <cbx33> you on dapper?
[04:12] <pygi> I am currently not on dapper, no
[04:12] <cbx33> there ya go
[04:12] <cbx33> i think it's a dapper thing
[04:12] <pygi> (not ubuntu for that thoughts)
[04:12] <pygi> bleh
[04:13] <pygi> switch to edgy ;)
[04:13] <cbx33> maybe when it;'s availbale :p
[04:13] <pygi> In like 2 weeks switch ;)
[04:14] <DanielC> Hmmm... I just tried with gedit and it doesn't happen there.
[04:14] <DanielC> I guess I don't know exactly what I need to do to make that dialog come up.
[04:15] <cbx33> DanielC: hmmm
[04:15] <cbx33> it worked on gedit here
[04:16] <cbx33> and it works on the app I'm currently developing
[04:16] <cbx33> it happens I believe because a delete_event is used
[04:16] <DanielC> Just brand it as a feature :)
[04:16] <cbx33> and whilst the delete_event handler is figuring out what to do...hence showing you a dialog....the event is hanging in limbo
[04:17] <cbx33> my hack which I may implement is to take that handler and just pass back a flag
[04:17] <cbx33> saying that the X was clicked
[04:17] <cbx33> then I'll have a gboject timer setup to poll evern 100ms
[04:17] <cbx33> and see if the flag is set
[04:17] <cbx33> if it is, it can shutdown properly and cleanly
[04:18] <cbx33> it happens with GIMP too
[04:18] <spacey> DanielC: you can check if there are any firewall rules in action by typing `sudo iptables -L`
[04:20] <DanielC> spacey: I just checked. There are no rules.
[04:20] <DanielC> This is true for both the client and server.
[04:21] <spacey> you still have timeouts?
[04:21] <DanielC> spacey: Yes, same as before.
[04:21] <spacey> and you can ssh to the nfs server from the same machine?
[04:21] <DanielC> I checked /etc/log/daemon.log on the server and it says:
[04:21] <DanielC> mountd: authenticated mount request from 192.168.17.240:740 for  /opt/ltsp (/opt/ltsp)
[04:22] <DanielC> And yes, I can ssh.
[04:22] <spacey> so it receives the request
[04:22] <spacey> wierd that nothing else happens
[04:22] <spacey> your using nfs-kernel-server or userland?
[04:23] <DanielC> nfs-kernel-server
[04:23] <RobinShepheard> DanielC: daft question but is nfs-kernel-server actually running, I dont think it started by default on my install
[04:23] <lucasvo> DanielC: not running as a module in the kernel
[04:23] <DanielC> RobinShepheard:  Yes, I made sure it was running.
[04:24] <DanielC> RobinShepheard: At least, I ran /etc/init.d/nfs-kernel-server start
[04:24] <DanielC> Ditto for 'nfs-common' and 'portmap'
[04:24] <cbx33> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/metacity/+bug/29584/
[04:25] <RobinShepheard> cbx33: my gedit has still not popped up the message after 5 mins
[04:26] <RobinShepheard> DanielC: the filesystems in listed in exports file isn't it
[04:26] <lucasvo> cbx33: some applications do the right thing some don't
[04:26] <DanielC> RobinShepheard:  yes it is
[04:26] <cbx33> lucasvo: yeh
[04:26] <cbx33> but I'd like to know what the right thing is
[04:26] <RobinShepheard> DanielC: and the network address range is correct
[04:27] <cbx33> I can't get pygtk to work properly
[04:27] <DanielC> RobinShepheard: I tried mounting a filesystem that wasn't in exports and the server log is different then (it says "refused mount").
[04:27] <DanielC> RobinShepheard: At least in /etc/network/interfaces and /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf. Is there any other place I should look?
[04:28] <RobinShepheard> /etc/exports
[04:28] <DanielC> RobinShepheard: I *do* have a non-standard IP range.
[04:28] <lucasvo> DanielC: that could be the problem
[04:28] <DanielC> Ok. What do I do in /etc/exports to give it the correct IP range?
[04:28] <RobinShepheard> DanielC: if you look in /etc/exports it is the config for the nfs shares
[04:28] <DanielC> I hope it is because that means we an fix it.
[04:28] <lucasvo> DanielC: what is there currently?
[04:28] <RobinShepheard> mine looks like this  /opt/ltsp       *(ro,async,no_root_squash) 192.168.32.0/255.255.255.0(rw)
[04:30] <DanielC> Mine says: /opt/ltsp  *(ro,no_root_squash,async)
[04:30] <DanielC> Notice taht it does not mention any IP range.
[04:31] <RobinShepheard> add the ip range on the end of the line like below (you will have to sudo vi /etc/exports)
[04:31] <RobinShepheard> /opt/ltsp       *(ro,async,no_root_squash) 192.168.32.0/255.255.255.0(rw)
[04:31] <RobinShepheard> but obviously replace my ip range with yours
[04:31] <lucasvo> # Automatically added by ltsp-server
[04:31] <lucasvo> /opt/ltsp       *(ro,no_root_squash,async)
[04:32] <DanielC> ok  (mine is 192.168.17.0/24)
[04:32] <lucasvo> RobinShepheard: that is not needed, afaik
[04:32] <lucasvo> because this entry will give you write access(see rW)
[04:32] <RobinShepheard> I had problems until I added it, but that could be the network config here
[04:32] <lucasvo> don't make rw
[04:32] <lucasvo> try it with ro
[04:33] <RobinShepheard> sorry, yeah that was me playing around
[04:34] <RobinShepheard> I needed rw access for the ica clients cache
[04:38] <DanielC> :(  No change
[04:40] <DanielC> I notice that daemon.log looks different when I try to boot a thin client. In that case it just shows the DHCP negotiation and then stops.
[04:40] <DanielC> I don't see the mountd line.
[04:40] <DanielC> Odd.
[04:55] <jsgotangco> waaaaaaaaa
[04:59] <salleschool> Hello
[04:59] <salleschool> I'm here again
[05:00] <salleschool> I have installed everything from the very begining...
[05:00] <salleschool> and I'm trying to boot up some terminals...
[05:00] <salleschool> a few of them are working properly
[05:00] <salleschool> but
[05:00] <salleschool> but
[05:01] <salleschool> most of them are out 
[05:01] <salleschool> They are pII 200mhz
[05:01] <salleschool> and a s3 1mb video card
[05:01] <salleschool> everything is ok but not the x-screen
[05:02] <salleschool> what Have I put in the lts.conf?
[05:02] <lucasvo> salleschool: what error do you get?
[05:02] <salleschool> I forgot, they are between 32 and 128 mb of ram memory
[05:03] <salleschool> a very black screen
[05:03] <lucasvo> 32mb is critical
[05:03] <lucasvo> salleschool: and if you press ctrl+alt+f1
[05:03] <lucasvo> you get a login prompt?
[05:03] <salleschool> good question
[05:04] <lucasvo> salleschool: does X even start?
[05:04] <salleschool> the fact is that I cannot see anything and the green light on the monitor turned red
[05:04] <lucasvo> oh
[05:04] <lucasvo> so no input signal at all
[05:04] <salleschool> I have changed the monitor but it's the same
[05:05] <lucasvo> salleschool: do they have the same graphics card?
[05:05] <salleschool> so I think it's rerlated with the vga card
[05:05] <salleschool> most of the have the same vga card
[05:05] <salleschool> No problem with s3 2mb vga card
[05:06] <lucasvo> I am not sure if 1mb is enough
[05:07] <salleschool> is there any code for the lts.conf?
[05:09] <salleschool> I had w98 on those pcs and they worked with 16 bits, 800x600 resolution, so they were ok
[05:10] <lucasvo> I think you can somehow set the color depth down to 16
[05:11] <lucasvo> X_COLOR_DEPTH = "16"
[05:11] <lucasvo> try it out
[05:11] <lucasvo> I never tried it
[05:11] <lucasvo> salleschool: but does ctrl+alt+f1 give you a login prompt?
[05:12] <salleschool> ok
[05:12] <salleschool> I need some minutes out
[05:13] <lucasvo> ok
[05:13] <lucasvo> cu
[05:29] <DanielC> The thin client works!!!!
[05:30] <DanielC> It turns out that the problem was on the client. But I don't know what the problem was.
[05:30] <DanielC> I just went and found a different PC and tried that one.
[05:31] <DanielC> I don't know what it was about the previous thin client. It certainly wasn't the network card (because the new one has the same card).
[05:31] <Amaranth> arg i need a notebook
[05:31] <DanielC> I can't imagine what else it could be.
[05:31] <Amaranth> too many flowcharts in my head
[05:32] <RobinShepheard> DanielC: I occasionally have a machine fail to boot saying it has problems with the root filesystem, it seems to be a problem witht the dhcp, but it is irregularly occuring so I can't pin it down yet
[05:32] <DanielC> RobinShepheard: Interesting. That's what's happening in my case.
[05:33] <DanielC> That's why I've been banging my head against NFS all weekend.
[05:33] <RobinShepheard> DanielC: it boots probably 3 out of 4 times
[05:33] <RobinShepheard> DanielC: when it boots it has no data for the root filesystem when i comes up witht the data for ip address, dns etc
[05:34] <RobinShepheard> DanielC: I have 2 dhcp servers here with different ranges, when it fails it is almost always on the range of the secon dhcp server
[05:34] <DanielC> Interesting.
[05:34] <RobinShepheard> DanielC: It is set up identically to the first server but seems to fail to dish out the info sometimes
[05:34] <DanielC> I can't imagine what could go wrong at the client that wouldn't let it mount the root filesystem.
[05:35] <RobinShepheard> I think it is a timeout when it is trying to get the dhcp information
[05:35] <DanielC> It's not the network card. The new machine I got is using the same network card and the same etherboot floppy.
[05:35] <RobinShepheard> well in my case that is
[05:36] <RobinShepheard> it is more prevalent on one network switch than the others, coincidentally it is the most crowded switch
[05:58] <DanielC> bye bye
[05:58] <RobinShepheard> I got to go home, see everyone later
[06:00] <pygi> bluekuja, poke? :)
[06:01] <Amaranth> pygi: I know big words now.
[06:02] <Amaranth> like "Robinson-Fisher bayesian probability algorithm"
[06:02] <pygi> Amaranth, hehe, congrats :)
[06:02] <Amaranth> I also have a headache, the two might be related.
[06:03] <pygi> bleh :P
[06:22] <DanielC> tar.gz :)
[06:23] <jsgotangco> good night
[06:23] <ogra> ciao jsgotangco 
[06:24] <Yagisan> night jsgotangco
[06:24] <DanielC> night
[06:24] <Yagisan> DanielC: tar.gz isn't exactly how I'd like to distribute the software to Ubuntu users
[06:24] <Yagisan> a .deb is far more useful
[06:25] <DanielC> Yeah, I wasn't serious about tar.gz
[06:25] <Yagisan> of course it would help if I was more familiar with python, how it is built etc, but I'm not
[06:26] <DanielC> Do you have to use Python?
[06:26] <ogra> Yagisan, no need to know python to package python apps (unless its a python module or something like that) :)
[06:26] <Yagisan> DanielC: yes. The app was written before I joined the team. I was asked to try and make it into a .deb
[06:27] <DanielC> ok
[06:27] <ogra> just have a look at dh_install and the use of .install files in the debian dir
[06:27] <lucasvo> ogra: does ltsp work with 1mb video card?
[06:27] <ogra> i.e. look at the ltsp source :)
[06:27] <ogra> lucasvo, only up to 800x600
[06:28] <lucasvo> ogra: there was some guy asking because his screens only turned black->off 
[06:28] <ogra> you can have it use 1024x786 if you force 16bit
[06:28] <Yagisan> ogra: thanks. I'll give it a look.
[06:28] <lucasvo> the monitors turned off after starting X
[06:36] <Yagisan> ogra: what do I do about, eg .pyc files ?
[06:36] <ogra> remove them ?
[06:37] <Yagisan> ogra: hmm. that won't be a fun prerm then
[06:38] <ogra> it really depends if you have only a single app and some glade file or something, or if your app needs some pieces bytecompiled in /lib/python/site-packages ...
[06:38] <ogra> for the latter you should use setup.py (dont ask me how, i never had a need for it yet)
[06:42] <Yagisan> ogra: that's fine. I don't know what I'm doing either. I usually run python ./snowberry.py
[06:59] <Yagisan> ogra: my app is just a "simple" python/wxwidgets app. It was originally written for Win32 and OSX first though
[07:00] <ogra> well, then dh_install should suffice 
[07:00] <ogra> and deleting .pyc files in your clean target
[07:03] <lucasvo> ahh, finally
[07:04] <lucasvo> linux is running owns my hx4700 again
[07:36] <highvoltage> so it turns out update-alternatives isn't nearly as complicated as i though :)
[07:37] <ogra> :)
[07:40] <sbartleylinux> ogra: ping
[07:55] <bgrah> hello everyone , the last 2 years i work with debian-edu on my servers  in school and i want to check out about your project  -- anybody teaching with edubuntu live at school ?
[07:58] <dpt> Hello everyone
[07:59] <dpt> i'm 16 year old colombian guy and i'm looking for a linux distribution for my school.
[07:59] <dpt> and i'd lke to know somethings from you.
[07:59] <pygi> bgrah, how may we help you? :)
[07:59] <LaserJock> hi dpt and bgrah
[07:59] <pygi> dpt, shoot
[08:01] <dpt> we draw 2d and 3d using autocad
[08:01] <dpt> we use an old version of autocad
[08:02] <dpt> but i need some cad program that works as autocad or some way to run autocad with wine or something like that. If i get autocad working and i get all pcs connectes to the windows nt schools servers then all the computer will switch to windows.
[08:02] <dpt> but i need to know if you know how to do that. I also like to use edubuntu because it includes by default many thing for the youngest kids in school. ANd i think that some desktop can be used instead of gnome, a lighter one for old pcs that we have at school.
[08:03] <dpt> do you there's a solution for this issue?
[08:07] <bgrah> pygi: i have installed ubuntu on 2 labtops and now  i want to try edubuntu as ltsp in my computer-lab and i want have contact with people who has it up and running ;)
[08:08] <LaserJock> dpt: you can use XFCE for you desktop
[08:08] <dpt> yeah, that's what i thought. It's nice and light
[08:08] <LaserJock> dpt: have you looked at qcad at all for your CAD needs? I
[08:09] <dpt> is qcad free? and does it have 3d?
[08:09] <LaserJock> yes, and yes
[08:09] <LaserJock> you can install it from Ubuntu
[08:09] <LaserJock> I think it does 3D anyway
[08:10] <LaserJock> I haven't really used it but I've been trying to find some technical drawing programs the last couple days
[08:13] <dpt> i'll do apt-get install qacd
[08:13] <dpt> that's all?
[08:14] <dpt> yeah, i'm installing it right now
[08:15] <HedgeMage> hi all
[08:15] <LaserJock> hi HedgeMage 
[08:17] <HedgeMage> what's up?
[08:18] <LaserJock> trying to get through my email :-)
[08:19] <bddebian> Hello HedgeMage
[08:20] <HedgeMage> :)
[08:27] <dpt> no
[08:27] <dpt> qcad won't work
[08:27] <dpt> these programs are not nice, the do not have a nice gui and students won't like working with it
[08:34] <EmxBA> hi anyone
[08:51] <LaserJock> EmxBA: hi
[08:54] <rwcitek> Hello, all.
[08:55] <LaserJock> hi rwcitek 
[08:55] <rwcitek> Anyone here tried to clone Edubuntu HDD installs?
[08:57] <rwcitek> I ask because I installed Edubuntu to a drive on a fast machine, moved the drive to a slow machine, and then tried to boot Edubuntu.  Unfortunately, the kernel panics (something like VFS not found).  When I move the drive back to the fast machine, everything works just fine.
[08:57] <rwcitek> LaserJock: hello.
[08:58] <LaserJock> are the archs the same?
[09:00] <rwcitek> LaserJock: both x86.  The fast machine is an AMD 2600 (or close) while the slow machine is Intel PIII 500 MHz.
[09:00] <highvoltage> LaserJock: and is the disk on the same channel?
[09:00] <highvoltage> (meant for rwcitek)
[09:00] <LaserJock> highvoltage: how would I know ;-)
[09:01] <rwcitek> highvoltage: yes, /dev/hda (master drive on primary IDE).
[09:01] <rwcitek> The drive itself is jumpered for cable select.
[09:01] <highvoltage> hmmm.
[09:02] <rwcitek> Anyone now how I can capture or save the kernel panic?
[09:02] <rwcitek> s/now/know/
[09:12] <EmxBA> hi again
[09:12] <EmxBA> highvoltage, hi
[09:12] <EmxBA> where is edubuntu girl :D
[09:13] <EmxBA> did she made a edubuntu wallpaper
[09:13] <EmxBA> called edubuntu girl
[09:13] <EmxBA> the one with girl...
[09:13] <EmxBA> ?
[09:14] <highvoltage> EmxBA: she wanted to come back last weekend, but then juliux disappeared. she's busy moving to his server :)
[09:14] <EmxBA> ok
[09:14] <EmxBA> :D
[09:28] <EmxBA> hi rbonishepheard
[09:28] <EmxBA> robinshepheard :D
[09:28] <RobinShepheard> EmxBA: Hiya, How are you??
[09:29] <EmxBA> good
[09:29] <EmxBA> you?
[09:29] <RobinShepheard> yeah not too bad at all, thanks
[09:29] <EmxBA> ok
[09:29] <RobinShepheard> how is the translation going, I am looking forward to reading you site
[09:30] <EmxBA> good
[09:30] <EmxBA> we are translating
[09:30] <EmxBA> i already have lots of articles (almost 100)
[09:31] <RobinShepheard> that is going to take some time then
[09:32] <EmxBA> yes
[09:32] <EmxBA> a lot of time
[09:36] <RobinShepheard> how many of you are there doing the translation??
[09:37] <EmxBA> just me :D
[09:38] <RobinShepheard> That is definately dedication
[09:39] <EmxBA> well, yes
[09:40] <RobinShepheard> I may try and learn another language to try and help with the translations, but as yet I can only speak english and a very little hungarian
[09:41] <EmxBA> you shouldn't leanr bosnian
[09:42] <EmxBA> it's too hard for english speakers, believe me
[09:43] <RobinShepheard> I was told the same about hungarian
[09:43] <EmxBA> and?
[09:43] <RobinShepheard> some people told me it is supposed to be the hardest language to learn after chinese
[09:44] <RobinShepheard> well after a few nights in a pub I can order most drinks there. I can also do basic polite conversation
[09:44] <RobinShepheard> cbx33: greetings
[09:45] <cbx33> hey
[09:45] <cbx33> ping HedgeMage 
[09:46] <EmxBA> yes, I am very dedicated
[09:46] <HedgeMage> hi cbx33 
[09:46] <EmxBA> if you learn chinese, i will buy you something :D
[09:46] <cbx33> HedgeMage, update the site update the site
[09:46] <cbx33> hehehe
[09:46] <RobinShepheard> I have a lot of respect for you EmxBA. is that a promise
[09:47] <EmxBA> tnx!
[09:47] <HedgeMage> cbx33: working on a bad layout bug then I plan to
[09:47] <cbx33> :D:D:D
[09:47] <HedgeMage> somehow my left and right columns ended up on top of one another!
[09:47] <cbx33> oh dear
[09:47] <HedgeMage> I'm sure I just typoed something when I was working earlier
[09:48] <RobinShepheard> due you need a second pair of eyes??
[09:48] <LaserJock> hi cbx33 
[09:48] <cbx33> hey LaserJock 
[09:48] <RobinShepheard> hiya LaserJock
[09:48] <cbx33> got some updates to talk to you about on gisomount if you have a sec?
[09:48] <RobinShepheard> EmxBA: so how are you going to know if I can speak chinese  :)
[09:49] <LaserJock> cbx33: k
[09:49] <EmxBA> haha
[09:49] <RobinShepheard> i can say what do you want in chinese but that is about it
[09:49] <RobinShepheard> oh and a couple of insults
[09:49] <cbx33> had a big panic today, you'll notice hat if you try to close down gisomount and it still has a mounted iso it'll bring up the dialog box asking you what you want to do.....problem is after a few seconds, gnome thinks it's crashed
[09:49] <cbx33> but it's not a bug at our end
[09:49] <LaserJock> RobinShepheard: I'm sure somebody in the zh LoCo could verify that you deserve your reward ;-)
[09:50] <cbx33> it does it in gedit and openoffice too
[09:50] <RobinShepheard> lol LaserJock
[09:50] <LaserJock> cbx33: hmm
[09:50] <cbx33> when a delete_event handler is hanging in limbo it believes it's crashed
[09:50] <cbx33> even though that is the way pygtk recommend doing it
[09:51] <RobinShepheard> cbx33: It doesn't do it for everybody, do you want me to test your app??
[09:51] <cbx33> RobinShepheard, nah that's fine,
[09:51] <RobinShepheard> my gedit it quite happy to be left with the do you want to be saved dialog for 5-10 mins
[09:51] <cbx33> but I'd love you to test it when I do a release
[09:52] <RobinShepheard> cbx33: no worries, just let me know when
[09:52] <cbx33> thanky
[09:53] <cbx33> LaserJock, I'm going to do a little restructuring of some of the functions too LaserJock 
[09:53] <cbx33> whoops
[09:54] <RobinShepheard> greetings pygi
[09:54] <cbx33> taking bits out of one place and putting them in others
[09:54] <spacey> meeting now?
[09:54] <cbx33> hi pygi 
[09:54] <cbx33> are we in ubuntu-meeting?
[09:54] <pygi> greeting people :)
[09:54] <cbx33> of here?
[09:54] <pygi> HedgeMage, poke?
[09:54] <LaserJock> for what?
[09:54] <cbx33> cookbook meeting
[09:55] <HedgeMage> ooh, I thought it wasn't for another hour
[09:55] <cbx33> fraid not HedgeMage :p
[09:55] <cbx33> it's now :D
[09:55] <spacey> 5 minutes right
[09:55] <HedgeMage> sorry, I forgot that the clock in here is wrong
[09:55] <EmxBA> ...
[09:55] <cbx33> well yeh 5 minutes
[09:56] <cbx33> argh where are we?
[09:57] <EmxBA> does anyone know what error 502 means
[09:57] <EmxBA> in gftp
[09:57] <cbx33> pygi, oooh
[09:57] <cbx33> did you write it?
[09:58] <pygi> cbx33, 'fcorse :P
[09:58] <cbx33> python?
[09:58] <pygi> C
[09:58] <pygi> requires gnome 2.14.2 tho :-/
[09:58] <cbx33> is that dapper?
[09:58] <cbx33> or higher
[09:58] <RobinShepheard> EmxBA: look here http://www.networksorcery.com/enp/protocol/ftp.htm
[09:58] <pygi> cbx33, dapper has 2.14.1 I think :-/
[09:58] <EmxBA> tnx
[09:58] <cbx33> then I'm afraid I'll have o give it a miss
[09:59] <cbx33> at this time
[09:59] <cbx33> will it be included with gnome?
[09:59] <pygi> cbx33, I doubt, at least not for now
[09:59] <cbx33> so where are we with the meeting location
[09:59] <cbx33> ubuntu-meeint?
[09:59] <pygi> here :P
[09:59] <pygi> we could move there tho
[10:00] <cbx33> I would suggest it
[10:00] <cbx33> if it's free
[10:00] <spacey> its free
[10:00] <RobinShepheard> I am easy, I dont mind where it is
[10:00] <cbx33> let's move
[10:00] <cbx33> then we get logs
[10:01] <RobinShepheard> ubuntu-mmeting has 75 users at the mo
[10:01] <pygi> HedgeMage, poke? :)
[10:01] <HedgeMage> I'm here
[10:01] <pygi> oh, great, you are alive :)
[10:03] <cbx33> come on pygi 
[10:03] <cbx33> join the meeting :p
[10:03] <pygi> joy :P
[10:04] <LaserJock> looks more like a casual chat over there :-)
[10:11] <EmxBA> hi again
[10:11] <EmxBA> my connection blew
[10:23] <EmxBA> hi seveas
[10:23] <EmxBA> are you the one i think you are
[10:23] <Seveas> depends on who you think I am
[10:23] <pygi> bleh :)
[10:24] <pygi> Hey Seveas, long time no see ;)
[10:24] <EmxBA> you are on channels #ubuntu-classroom #ubuntu-mirrors #supybot #kubuntu-devel #ubuntu-science #xubuntu @#ubuntu-bugbot #edubuntu #ubuntu+1 #ubuntu-locoteams #nx #ubuntu-desktop #ubuntu-bugs #django #freenode-groups +#freenode-social #launchpad #kubuntu #ubuntu-offtopic #ubuntu-doc #ubuntu-meeting #ubuntu-xgl #ubuntu-motu #ubuntu-devel #Ubuntu-NL #ubuntu 
[10:24] <EmxBA> i know who are you
[10:24] <EmxBA> the one which said "please be patience" on dapper days, 1st june on #ubuntu
[10:24] <EmxBA> right
[10:24] <Seveas> heh, yeah
[10:24] <EmxBA> :D
[10:28] <EmxBA> nice to see you seveas
[10:28] <EmxBA> you are probably busy right now on all those channels 
[11:03] <Amaranth> Seveas: how goes ubotu-ng?
[11:03] <Seveas> Amaranth, slowly but steadily
[11:03] <lucasvo> Seveas: I have a feauturerequest for ubotu-ng: it should automatically rewrite the wikiurls to wiki.edubuntu.org in this channel :P
[11:04] <Amaranth> Seveas: can i help with anything?
[11:04] <Seveas> Amaranth, yeah, when it's finished i am NOT going to do an import but review all factoids
[11:04] <Seveas> I defintely can use some help with that
[11:04] <EmxBA> seveas, can i introduce myself
[11:04] <Burgwork> Seveas, I can help, depending on timeframe
[11:04] <Amaranth> Seveas: ok
[11:05] <Seveas> Burgwork, timeframe is simple: from the time ubotu-ng is finished to the time all factoids are entered 
[11:06] <Seveas> EmxBA, what do you mean?
[11:06] <bluekuja> EmxBA: hello, you pinged me before?
[11:06] <EmxBA>  bluekuja: no
[11:06] <EmxBA> but i can
[11:06] <EmxBA> :D
[11:06] <bluekuja> EmxBA: if you need anything, just tell me
[11:06] <bluekuja> ;)
[11:07] <EmxBA> bluekuja: tnx!
[11:07] <bluekuja> np man
[11:07] <Burgwork> Seveas, ok, I mention that, because I am going to be out of town the next few weeks
[11:08] <EmxBA> seveas, can you introduce yourself
[11:08] <EmxBA> i know you are...important
[11:08] <Seveas> lol, I'm not 
[11:09] <Seveas> EmxBA, http://launchpad.net/people/dennis
[11:09] <bluekuja> EmxBA: Seveas is one of the most loved ubuntu members
[11:09] <EmxBA> mine is http://launchpad.net/people/emxba
[11:09] <EmxBA> i know , bluekuja
[11:10] <bluekuja> EmxBA: not yet ubuntero?
[11:11] <lucasvo> bluekuja: why should one be a ubuntero?
[11:11] <lucasvo> does it help the community in any way?
[11:11] <bluekuja> lucasvo: code of conduct
[11:11] <lucasvo> bluekuja: ?
[11:12] <bluekuja> lucasvo: do you know what code of conduct is?
[11:12] <bluekuja> i hope yes
[11:12] <lucasvo> bluekuja: yes I do
[11:12] <lucasvo> I even signed it
[11:12] <bluekuja> ok perfect
[11:12] <EmxBA> bluekuja: i dunno what is that
[11:12] <EmxBA> please, explaint
[11:12] <EmxBA> *explain
[11:12] <bluekuja> I give you some links
[11:13] <EmxBA> ok
[11:13] <lucasvo> bluekuja: but why do you point me out to this?
[11:13] <bluekuja> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GnuPrivacyGuardHowto?action=show&redirect=GPGKey
[11:13] <bluekuja> this is a nice wiki page
[11:13] <bluekuja> seveas did it, i think
[11:13] <EmxBA> bluekuja: about ubuntutero?
[11:14] <EmxBA> i suppose no
[11:14] <Seveas> bluekuja, I started it
[11:14] <Seveas> dunno if it's been edited a lot
[11:14] <bluekuja> oh ok great
[11:14] <bluekuja> EmxBA: follow that guide to sign the CoC
[11:15] <lucasvo> bluekuja: did I violate the CoC in any way with my statement?
[11:15] <bluekuja> and become ubuntero
[11:15] <bluekuja> lucasvo: well you said that it's not important
[11:15] <bluekuja> to sign it
[11:16] <lucasvo> bluekuja: sorry, in that case I misunderstood the term ubuntero
[11:16] <bluekuja> and that's not nice
[11:16] <lucasvo> ubuntero only means that one signed the CoC?
[11:16] <EmxBA>  CoC?
[11:16] <lucasvo> EmxBA: code of conduct
[11:16] <lucasvo> http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct
[11:16] <Seveas> CoC is a rather unfortunate abbreviation
[11:16] <EmxBA> ok
[11:17] <bluekuja> yeah, an ubuntero is someone that have read, accepted and signed the CoC
[11:17] <EmxBA> ohh...ok
[11:17] <lucasvo> bluekuja: I mistook ubuntero with ubuntu member sorry
[11:17] <EmxBA> i should read this before
[11:17] <EmxBA> ok
[11:17] <bluekuja> lucasvo: np 
[11:17] <EmxBA> i am going to become ubuntutero
[11:17] <EmxBA> of course
[11:17] <bluekuja> EmxBA: it's a first step
[11:17] <bluekuja> to start your contributions
[11:18] <bluekuja> in the Ubuntu world
[11:18] <EmxBA> ok
[11:18] <EmxBA> i have already translated few things
[11:18] <EmxBA> and helped in solving a one bug :D
[11:18] <bluekuja> when you have read it, just follow that wiki page
[11:19] <bluekuja> it's well done, easy to understand and linear
[11:19] <bluekuja> ;)
[11:19] <EmxBA> tnx
[11:19] <bluekuja> EmxBA: np, and thanks for helping 
[11:20] <EmxBA> ok
[11:20] <bluekuja> EmxBA: if you need help, just ask herer
[11:20] <bluekuja> *here
[11:20] <bluekuja> someone will read and answer you as soon as possible
[11:21] <EmxBA> i know who you are
[11:21] <EmxBA> on of the greatest contributor for ubuntu
[11:22] <bluekuja> EmxBA: thanks, when i started everyone helped me, so i want to help you how much i can
[11:22] <bluekuja> ;)
[11:23] <EmxBA> i did that too on #ubuntu
[11:23] <bluekuja> well thats great :)
[11:24] <bluekuja> where are you from?
[11:24] <EmxBA> bosnia 
[11:24] <EmxBA> that's in south east europe
[11:24] <bluekuja> oh nice
[11:24] <bluekuja> i'm italian
[11:24] <EmxBA> ok
[11:24] <EmxBA> do you believe in bosnian pyramids :D
[11:24] <lucasvo> bluekuja: did the italians win?
[11:25] <bluekuja> lucasvo: of course
[11:25] <bluekuja> :D
[11:25] <bluekuja> 2-0
[11:25] <lucasvo> ahh
[11:25] <lucasvo> too bad
[11:25] <bluekuja> hehe
[11:25] <lucasvo> Ghana is cool
[11:25] <EmxBA> bluekuja: do you :D
[11:26] <bluekuja> EmxBA: remember to write a wiki page, where you introduce yourself to the community
[11:26] <bluekuja> update it with all of your contributions
[11:26] <EmxBA> bluekuja: ok
[11:28] <bluekuja> EmxBA: good luck, if you need anything we're here
[11:28] <EmxBA> bluekuja: tnx really
[11:28] <EmxBA> i appreciate this
[11:28] <bluekuja> EmxBA: np, happy to help you
[11:29] <EmxBA> tnx
[11:36] <EmxBA> bluekuja: so how can i sign CoC
[11:36] <bluekuja> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GnuPrivacyGuardHowto?action=show&redirect=GPGKey
[11:36] <bluekuja> all infos are here
[11:36] <EmxBA> ok
[11:38] <bluekuja> ;)
[11:38] <EmxBA> tnx bluekujea
[11:38] <EmxBA> bluekuja
[11:38] <EmxBA> you and highvoltage are the best chatters on #edubuntu
[11:38] <EmxBA> :D
[11:38] <EmxBA> and Edubuntu Girl of course
[11:38] <EmxBA> despite i haven't met her 
[11:39] <bluekuja> EmxBA: hehe, thanks :D
[11:39] <EmxBA> when does she visit #edubuntu
[11:39] <RobinShepheard> HedgeMage: ping
[11:39] <bluekuja> you have to ask it to jonathan(highvoltage)
[11:39] <lucasvo> EmxBA: she has to wait untill she can move into her new home, a server from ubuntuusers.de
[11:39] <HedgeMage> RobinShepheard: pong
[11:40] <EmxBA> highvoltage!
[11:40] <LaserJock> HedgeMage: I love bzr, but it just doesn't seem to work as well with documentation work flow (from the doc teams experience anyway)
[11:40] <lucasvo> but highvoltage didn't have enough time to help her move in
[11:40] <EmxBA> wake up :D
[11:40] <EmxBA> when does Edubuntu Girl comes here
[11:40] <EmxBA> in which time :D
[11:40] <bluekuja> EmxBA: is sleeping now, i think
[11:40] <RobinShepheard> lol, sorry just a quick question, I applied for membership to the edubuntu cookbook team a while ago, am I likely to be made a member
[11:40] <RobinShepheard> can I contribute if I am not a member??
[11:41] <lucasvo> RobinShepheard: you can
[11:41] <lucasvo> RobinShepheard: just ping somebody in irc here and ask him to approve you :)
[11:41] <LaserJock> RobinShepheard: people can almost always contribute to any part of Ubuntu, it's just a matter of how big of a pain in the butt it is ;-)
[11:42] <RobinShepheard> ok, just thought I would check as I wasn't sure as it was discussed to just let authors have access
[11:43] <highvoltage> lucasvo: i did! i just didn't catch juliux this weekend. he owes me a database for e-g :)
[11:44] <bluekuja> oh jonathan, hello
[11:44] <highvoltage> hello bluekuja 
[11:44] <highvoltage> how are you doing?
[11:44] <EmxBA> hi highvoltage
[11:44] <highvoltage> hi EmxBA 
[11:45] <EmxBA> :D
[11:45] <bluekuja> i'm really good jonathan, I'm really happy in this period
[11:45] <highvoltage> sorry if i don't make much sense tonight. a bit tired this side...
[11:45] <highvoltage> bluekuja: great! :)
[11:45] <bluekuja> i'm receiving a lot of email with people that say me " we are installing edubuntu in our school"
[11:46] <bluekuja> and thats a great thing
[11:46] <highvoltage> yep
[11:47] <highvoltage> people in italy?
[11:47] <EmxBA> this GNUPG thing is very boting
[11:47] <EmxBA> *bornig
[11:47] <EmxBA> *boring
[11:47] <highvoltage> bye RobinShepheard!
[11:47] <RobinShepheard> I have to go find some beauty sllep, night all
[11:47] <highvoltage> EmxBA: yes, security can be very boring :)
[11:47] <RobinShepheard> *sleep even
[11:47] <EmxBA> no
[11:47] <EmxBA> not that
[11:47] <EmxBA> just this CoC thing...
[11:48] <bluekuja> highvoltage: yes, a lot of people
[11:48] <bluekuja> forums, ml and irc is helping diffusion a lot
[11:49] <highvoltage> bluekuja: any plans for next year?
[11:49] <bluekuja> highvoltage: great meeting in italy of course :D
[11:49] <highvoltage> :D
[11:50] <bluekuja> and i want you here
[11:50] <HedgeMage> LaserJock: thanks for the input... I think spacey and lucasvo are the only ones who've shown interest in bzr... I'm going to encourage them to make a case for it for edgy+1 if they feel strongly, but we're on too tight a deadline IMHO for everyone to learn bzr
[11:51] <bluekuja> you can come to my home for a week, that's not a problem
[11:51] <LaserJock> HedgeMage: lets just say, I pushed to get the doc team to use bzr (set up a bzr copy of the svn and everything) and we are still going to be using svn for edgy ;-)
[11:52] <HedgeMage> LaserJock: heh
[11:53] <bluekuja> highvoltage: which month would be great for you?
[11:56] <EmxBA> what is caff
[11:56] <EmxBA> i don't have it installed
[11:56] <EmxBA> i need it for CoC
[11:57] <bluekuja> caff?
[12:02] <EmxBA> yeah
[12:02] <EmxBA> no 
[12:02] <EmxBA> i don't need it, sorr
[12:02] <EmxBA> *sorry
[12:02] <bluekuja> lol ok
[12:02] <EmxBA> but i go to https://launchpad.net/codeofconduct/1.0.1/+sign
[12:02] <EmxBA> and i got problem "no public key"
[12:02] <EmxBA> help please
[12:03] <bluekuja> have you uploaded the key?
[12:04] <EmxBA> how should i do that?
[12:04] <bluekuja> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GnuPrivacyGuardHowto?action=show&redirect=GPGKey#head-bededb02c720438d994d3320ae240c11887cf2cc