[01:16] <nixternal> \sh: installed psi to check it out and have my gmail account setup. not to shabby. one thing i notice is that the jabber account doesn't always disconnect.
[01:17] <\sh> nixternal: for me it's much better then kopete..
[01:18] <nixternal> i have kopete running because people still use msn, aim, yahoo, and icq and tend to message me via those for support
[01:18] <\sh> I just found out, that kopetes service discovery is not working with my jabber server...need to check later why it doesn't but any other jabber client does work
[01:19] <nixternal> my biggest issue with kopete is it always tells me i have mail in my yahoo, aim, msn accounts, which i could care less because i don't use those for email
[01:19] <\sh> nixternal: can't you disable those notifications in kopete?
[01:20] <nixternal> i haven't found out where
[01:20] <nixternal> im using ver .11 also
[02:24] <Riddell> mornfall: where's the default kde settings kept in fedora?
[02:24] <Riddell> and how do I configure the network?
[02:25] <Riddell> and how do I stop add/remove programmes from quitting with an error message as soon as it launches
[02:32] <\sh> kbilliards uploaded to revu
[02:38] <\sh> if someone wants to revu..http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2406 another nice kde game :)
[02:47] <mornfall> Riddell: i don't use add/remove programs
[02:48] <mornfall> Riddell: network, anaconda should have asked (dhcp works fine), but there should be gnome-network-manager around
[02:48] <mornfall> Riddell: kde settings is probably kept under /usr/share (like in upstream kde)
[02:48] <mornfall> some stuff under /etc/xdg
[03:13] <nixternal> \sh: is your server available for jabber connection?
[03:15] <\sh> nixternal: yes
[03:15] <bddebian> Heya folks
[03:16] <Riddell> hi bddebian 
[03:16] <\sh> nixternal: but jabber.kubuntu.de lacks of some very special dns entries, so it can be troublesome with google talk
[03:16] <bddebian> Heya Riddell
[03:16] <Riddell> we need a low disk indicator in KDE
[03:16] <Riddell> I've decided :)
[03:17] <bddebian> heh
[03:17] <\sh> what is a low disk indicator?
[03:17] <bddebian> Tells you when disk space is low?
[03:17] <Riddell> a popup that says "your home directory is 95% full"
[03:17] <\sh> you mean when 199GB from 200GB are used, it should make a warning sound ? ;)
[03:18] <Riddell> "do you want me to rm -rf /home?"
[03:18] <\sh> lol
[03:18] <bddebian> Riddell: ;-P
[03:19] <\sh> Riddell: did you catch my words from yesterdays morning?
[03:19] <Riddell> \sh: which ones were they?
[03:19] <\sh> about LP integration and kde?
[03:19] <Riddell> oh yes
[03:19] <Riddell> the difficult part is finding out which package the program belongs to
[03:19] <Riddell> although dpkg -S could help with that
[03:20] <\sh> the problem is more to catch the program itself, because it's started via kdeinit or something like that
[03:20] <Riddell> kdeinit keeps itself pretty quiet these days
[03:21] <\sh> then it can be an easy task...forget patching all sources to include this additional KHelpMenu hook
[03:21] <Riddell> just kdelibs needs modified to have an extra entry in the standard help menu
[03:21] <\sh> Riddell: you don't patch kdelibs
[03:22] <Riddell> that entry works out the binary name, runs dpkg -S to work out the package name then kfmexec to fire up konqueror
[03:22] <Riddell> why not?
[03:22] <\sh> Riddell: you add this functionality to liblaunchpad-integration0 
[03:22] <Riddell> why?
[03:22] <\sh> Riddell: because gnome is doing it like this..
[03:22] <Riddell> sounds like an extra bit of complexity to me
[03:22] <\sh> Riddell: and we have a lib which can generate some python lib foo for guidance
[03:22] <\sh> Riddell: no..
[03:23] <\sh> Riddell: lpIntegration->addTo(menuBar()->getHelpMenu()) PSEUDOCODE ;) 
[03:25] <mornfall> \sh: wouldn't that mean that liblaunchpad-integration0 links with qt, kdecore and kdeui all of sudden? :p
[03:25] <mornfall> well unless you do dlopen foo
[03:25] <mornfall> which doesn't quite work anyway
[03:25] <mornfall> so you better don't
[03:25] <\sh> mornfall: no...we do something like liblaunchpad-integration0-{gnome,kde}
[03:26] <mornfall> that's sort of... complicated
[03:27] <\sh> mornfall: why? if something is wrong inside lp integration, we only need to fix and recompile a small bit of code, instead of compiling the whole bunch of kdelibs
[03:27] <mornfall> true, dat
[03:27] <mornfall> but i would certainly put it in a different source packages (kde and gnome versions)
[03:27] <\sh> and we can provide simple kde python bindings for that
[03:28] <Riddell> you'd then need to patch kdelibs to link against liblaunchpad-integration0-kde
[03:28] <Riddell> and we have no python programmes that need it, guidance is only in system settings by default
[03:28] <mornfall> Riddell: the idea is that while you develop the liblaunchpad thing, you don't need to recompile kdelibs
[03:28] <mornfall> which is sort of nice
[03:28] <\sh> Riddell: question is, if we need to link kdelibs to lp integration at all...it could be hooked on app level
[03:28] <mornfall> but not sure it's worth a source package
[03:29] <mornfall> \sh: that way lies madness
[03:29] <\sh> mornfall: we already have a source package
[03:29] <mornfall> this ain't no gnome
[03:29] <mornfall> \sh: you do? a kde specific one?
[03:29] <mornfall> or you intend to require gnome dev packs to build it? :p
[03:29] <mornfall> anyhow
[03:30] <mornfall> bedtime for me
[03:30] <\sh> mornfall: no a gnome one...and there it's very ubuntu specific ... the deps of gnome and kde are only included via build time, the rest is just like ubiquity
[03:30] <mornfall> exam tomorrow 10am
[03:30] <mornfall> bye
[03:30] <\sh> mornfall: good luck :)
[03:53] <Riddell> I think I'd like to avoid the gnome route of patching every single app that we want to add "Get help online" to
[03:53] <bddebian> wuss :-)
[03:55] <\sh> Riddell: if we find a good possibility to not break python-kde then it's ok for me to include it into kdelibs
[03:56] <Riddell> python-kde also uses kdelibs for its Help menu
[03:57] <\sh> yes but every add to the classes needs to be represented in python-kdes sip code
[03:58] <Riddell> it wouldn't be an ABI/API change obviously
[03:59] <\sh> Riddell: how would you present such a change?
[04:00] <\sh> adding 2 items with insertItem is easy, clicking on them it will generate some signals and we need slots, therefor we have 2 public/private/protected slots 
[04:00] <\sh> well insertItem is not right, adding two new actions to actionCollection is better
[04:01] <\sh> but still we have two new slots at least for doing some action :)
[06:56] <nixternal> Hobbsee: you snuck in here and I didn't even see you ;)
[06:59] <Hobbsee> nixternal: i've been in here fo ra while...
[06:59] <nixternal> hehe i see
[06:59] <nixternal> hey..you running kopete .12?
[06:59] <Hobbsee> yes
[06:59] <nixternal> you have adept telling you to update?
[06:59] <Hobbsee> no, i grabbed freeflying|away's third package
[07:00] <nixternal> ahhh
[07:00] <crimsun_> what's the version for his third package?
[07:00] <crimsun_> and did jr settle on a plan for the transition for 0.12?
[07:00] <nixternal> i need one that will stop adept from wanting to downgrade me..i grabbed a .deb from the forums and it is annoying to see adept icon in kicker
[07:01] <Hobbsee> http://www.ubuntu-zh.org/~freeflying/packages/
[07:01] <Hobbsee> why oh why did you grab a deb from the forums?
[07:01] <Hobbsee> crimsun_: i'm not sure
[07:01] <nixternal> cuz im an e.tard
[07:01] <Hobbsee> so it seems.
[07:02] <crimsun_> Hobbsee: apt-cache policy kopete |grep Candidate
[07:02] <Hobbsee>   Candidate: 4:3.5.3kopete0.12.0-1
[07:02] <Hobbsee> the .deb is probably made with checkinstall
[07:02] <Hobbsee> that one is done decently
[07:04] <Hobbsee> crimsun_: ^
[07:04] <Hobbsee> nixternal: use http://www.ubuntu-zh.org/~freeflying/packages/kopete_3.5.3kopete0.12.0-1_i386.deb
[07:04] <nixternal> dl'n it now
[07:04] <nixternal> thx
[07:40] <imbrandon_> aww no _amd64.deb
[07:40] <crimsun_> you have the sources, you have a pbuilder. Have at ti.
[07:40] <crimsun_> it^
[07:40] <imbrandon_> ;)
[07:40] <imbrandon_> yea i was just thinking that
[07:41] <imbrandon_> actualy i dont have the source for kopete 0.12 but i can get it
[07:42] <crimsun_> um
[07:42] <crimsun_> don't make me poke you with a sharp stick, imbrandon_ 
[07:42] <imbrandon_> ??
[07:42] <crimsun_> http://www.ubuntu-zh.org/~freeflying/packages/kopete_3.5.3kopete0.12.0-1.tar.gz
[07:42] <imbrandon_> gah
[07:42] <crimsun_> that's nastily mispackaged as a native one
[07:43] <crimsun_> bonus points for fixing it and updating freeflying|away 
[07:43] <imbrandon_> should i not use that src ?
[07:43] <imbrandon_> kk
[07:43] <imbrandon_> ;)
[07:43] <crimsun_> you can use that source
[07:44] <imbrandon_> crimsun_: shouldent it be 0.12.0.orig.tar.gz ?
[07:44] <imbrandon_> jez i get a lousy connection ( ~5k/sec ) to his server
[07:44] <freeflying|away> imbrandon: I'll repackage the source tarball, and upload them soon(to my repo)
[07:45] <imbrandon_> ok freeflying|away let me know and i'll pbuild it for you with _amd64 to stick up there or i'll add it to my repos 
[07:45] <imbrandon_> either way
[07:46] <imbrandon_> is that on a cable modem or something ?
[07:46] <freeflying|away> imbrandon: that's a ubuntu archive mirror in Hongkong
[07:46] <imbrandon_> ahhh that explains it ;)
[07:47] <imbrandon_> if you want i can mirror your ~freeflying/packages on my usa server also if you desire
[07:48] <imbrandon_> i have a few other mirros on it including an mirror of the official servers
[07:48] <imbrandon_> wouldent be no biggie to setup a rsync cron
[07:48] <freeflying> imbrandon: I'd like 
[07:49] <imbrandon_> want me to set it up or would you just like a shell account ?
[07:50] <freeflying> imbrandon: please set up it
[07:50] <imbrandon_> kk
[07:59] <freeflying> imbrandon: done
[08:06] <imbrandon_> kk
[08:06] <imbrandon_> almost done setting up the mirror
[08:06] <nixternal> don't break that mirror...7 years bad luck ;)
[08:09] <nixternal> best KDE all around theme to date -> http://waku.info/2006/06/11/nautica-kde-theme/
[08:12] <nixternal> lol
[08:12] <nixternal> i don't do anything with it except set it to static and thats it
[08:13] <Hobbsee> figured i may as well troubleshoot it while dad's not home - so he cant go mental at me taking off the protection of the router :P
[08:13] <nixternal> i do admit. i kind of favor the ubuntu wifi tools
[08:13] <nixternal> i have been messing with ubuntu dapper for doc team...it isn't to shabby actually...but it just isn't kde ;)
[08:14] <nixternal> and talk about install time being slow...no joke, i would say kubuntu installed twice as fast at least
[08:18] <imbrandon_> ok freeflying its mirrorsing now
[08:19] <imbrandon_> mirroring now, going slow becouse my server only gets a 10k/sec connection to your but its working ;)
[08:19] <freeflying> imbrandon: nice, thanks
[08:19] <imbrandon_> np
[08:19] <imbrandon_> when its all done it will be at
[08:19] <imbrandon_> http://www.buntudot.org/people/~freeflying/packages/
[08:19] <imbrandon_> but its still downloading
[08:20] <freeflying> :)
[08:20] <imbrandon_> i'll set a crontab to make it check once a day for new stuff, good enough ?
[08:21] <imbrandon_> at say 00:00 UTC or something
[08:22] <freeflying> imbrandon: one week is enough, 
[08:23] <imbrandon_> ok 
[08:23] <imbrandon_> got a specific day / time  you like ?
[08:23] <freeflying> imbrandon: Sunday's night
[08:24] <imbrandon_> kk
[08:24] <freeflying> im
[08:24] <freeflying> imbrandon: thanks
[08:24] <imbrandon_> not a problem ;)
[08:25] <imbrandon_> that should give us USA poeple a better connection to it anyhow, cuz i get a 10kb/sec connection ;(
[08:26] <freeflying> imbrandon: the speed I upload to that server is about 100k/s, but only 20-30k/s for download  :)
[08:26] <imbrandon_> ahh ;)
[08:27] <imbrandon_> i get about 300kb/sec download from my server not sure about the rest of the world but the us should be fast
[08:28] <freeflying> imbrandon: 64 bytes from basic-jolly.gobstopper.dreamhost.com (208.97.140.180): icmp_seq=1 ttl=53 time=198 ms
[08:28] <freeflying> imbrandon: it's quite nice for me :)
[08:28] <imbrandon_> ;)
[08:29] <imbrandon_> wb Hobbsee
[08:29] <Hobbsee_> heya
[08:30] <imbrandon_> freeflying: how big is that dir? just curious ..... i got plenty of room
[08:30] <Hobbsee> off to work
[08:31] <imbrandon_> l8tr Hobbsee dont let the kiddos get to ya up at work ;)
[08:31] <freeflying> imbrandon: 94M, please remove all VIM packages
[08:31] <imbrandon_> ok
[08:31] <imbrandon_> freeflying: every time or just this one ?
[08:31] <Hobbsee> bleck, i'll have my nice warm black jacket on, so they wont try to do too much :D
[08:31] <imbrandon_> hehe
[08:31] <freeflying> imbrandon: this one
[08:31] <imbrandon_> freeflying: ok
[08:33] <imbrandon_> btw if you need to catch me sometime about the mirror and i'm not on irc feel free to email me brandon@imbrandon.com and/or imbrandon@kubuntu.org
[08:33] <freeflying> okey
[08:39] <imbrandon_> after its done mirroring and i delete the vim* should i re-run genarchive.sh localy for ya ?
[08:40] <freeflying> imbrandon: you'd do 
[08:40] <imbrandon_> kk
[09:50] <imbrandon_> kk freeflying|away all done mirroring
[09:50] <imbrandon_> and vim* deleted
[09:51] <imbrandon_> i dident run the genarchive though becouse its signed with your pgp key
[09:54] <freeflying|away> imbrandon: then there will be errors for using it as a archive
[09:58] <imbrandon_> yea
[09:58] <imbrandon_> the only way is i can run it with my pgp key but then they would have to import that
[09:59] <imbrandon_> OR you can move out the 
[09:59] <imbrandon_> vim* packages and rerun it on yours and send me the release files etc
[09:59] <imbrandon_> untill next update
[10:00] <freeflying|away> imbrandon_: okey, do it now for you  :)
[10:00] <imbrandon_> ok you want me to sign it ?
[10:01] <freeflying|away> imbrandon: up to you, I've removed all VIM's and re-scan all packages
[10:01] <imbrandon_> hey also i grabbed your orig.tar.gz and the diff.gz , after i unzip those how do i properly apply the diff ?
[10:01] <imbrandon_> yea that would be better
[10:02] <imbrandon_> for you to rescan the packages
[10:02] <imbrandon_> that way its still your key
[10:02] <imbrandon_> becouse someon might have imported it already etc
[10:02] <freeflying|away> imbrandon_: also need dsc, and dpkg-source -x *.sac, the best way is use pbuilder
[10:03] <imbrandon_> sac ?
[10:03] <freeflying|away> s/sac/asc
[10:03] <imbrandon_> kk
[10:03] <imbrandon_> brandon@birdofprey:~/files/kopete$ ls -la
[10:03] <imbrandon_> total 6828
[10:03] <freeflying|away> imbrandon_: if you have a ppc box, will be more nicer  :)
[10:03] <imbrandon_> drwxr-xr-x 2 brandon brandon    4096 2006-06-12 02:53 .
[10:03] <imbrandon_> drwxr-xr-x 3 brandon brandon    4096 2006-06-12 02:54 ..
[10:03] <imbrandon_> -rw-r--r-- 1 brandon brandon   25111 2006-06-12 02:53 kopete_3.5.3kopete0.12.0-1.diff.gz
[10:04] <imbrandon_> -rw-r--r-- 1 brandon brandon     687 2006-06-12 02:53 kopete_3.5.3kopete0.12.0-1.dsc
[10:04] <imbrandon_> -rw-r--r-- 1 brandon brandon    1291 2006-06-12 02:52 kopete_3.5.3kopete0.12.0-1_source.build
[10:04] <imbrandon_> -rw-r--r-- 1 brandon brandon 6934456 2006-06-12 02:23 kopete_3.5.3kopete0.12.0.orig.tar.gz
[10:04] <imbrandon_> brandon@birdofprey:~/files/kopete$                                
[10:04] <imbrandon_> whoops
[10:04] <imbrandon_> sorry
[10:04] <imbrandon_> yea i have a ppc but its SLOW hehehe
[10:04] <imbrandon_> i can build it on that too
[10:04] <imbrandon_> my ppc box is 233mhz ;)
[10:04] <imbrandon_> i have many i386 machines and one amd64 and one ppc ;)
[10:05] <imbrandon_> used to have a sparc but its gone, might get another one soon
[10:05] <freeflying|away> imbrandon: hehe, my is 1.33G, but lack of space
[10:06] <imbrandon_> ok freeflying|away i dont have any asc files
[10:06] <imbrandon_> in that dir
[10:06] <imbrandon_> see dir listing above
[10:07] <freeflying|away> imbrandon: sorry, it's dsc, not asc, my fault, silly me
[10:07] <imbrandon_> hehe np
[10:08] <imbrandon_> hehe
[10:09] <imbrandon_> if i get the build-deps for kopete in the repos it should still work right>?
[10:09] <imbrandon_> or is there a way to get the build-deps automatic from the source
[10:09] <freeflying|away> sudo apt-get build-dep kopete
[10:09] <imbrandon_> apt-get build-dep kopete
[10:09] <imbrandon_> yea 
[10:10] <imbrandon_> just dident know if 0.12 had diffrent deps
[10:10] <freeflying|away> imbrandon: no specially, this package haven't jingle's support
[10:11] <imbrandon_> ok
[10:11] <imbrandon_> did you regen the files? if so i'll regrab them
[10:11] <imbrandon_> ( the release files and such )
[10:12] <freeflying|away> imbrandon: done
[10:12] <imbrandon_> okie
[10:14] <imbrandon_> ok mirror updated and set to grab new files every sunday night at midnight UTC
[10:14] <imbrandon_> ;0
[10:30] <imbrandon_> freeflying|away, http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/703970
[10:30] <imbrandon_> FTB
[10:31] <imbrandon_> thats just the end of the buld log, i have the whole log is you want
[10:33] <freeflying|away> imbrandon: needn't, seemed something wrong about 64
[10:34] <imbrandon_> yea, i'll keep looking into it, thought you might know right off, i'll try on ppc too
[10:37] <freeflying|away> imbrandon: send me the whole log, thanks  zhengpeng-hou AT kubuntu.org
[10:46] <imbrandon_> freeflying|away: cant get to my email right now ( on other machine ) http://www.buntudot.org/people/~imbrandon/misc/kopete_amd64_buildlog.txt
[10:59] <freeflying|away> imbrandon: another isuue, you'd disable jingle's support in debian/rules
[11:01] <imbrandon_> k
[11:04] <imbrandon_> change it to this after disabling jingle ?? ---> kopete (4:3.5.3kopete0.12.0-1ubuntu2) dapper; urgency=low
[11:05] <freeflying|away> imbrandon: no, in debian/rules, remove the enable-jingle in configure target
[11:06] <imbrandon_> yea i got that
[11:06] <imbrandon_> but should i inc the version also ?
[11:06] <freeflying|away> imbrandon: needn't
[11:06] <imbrandon_> k
[11:07] <freeflying|away> imbrandon: we can not support the jingle now, it need a special version of ortp
[11:07] <imbrandon_> ok disabled it and trying to build again
[11:49] <imbrandon_> argg
[12:42] <imbrandon_> YAY !
[12:42] <imbrandon_> freeflying-g4: got it to build on AMD64
[12:43] <freeflying-g4> imbrandon: cool
[12:44] <imbrandon_> you want a diff ?
[12:44] <imbrandon_> actualy you can change just one thing in the debian/rules
[12:44] <imbrandon_> and it will build fine on amd64
[12:44] <freeflying-g4> imbrandon: what
[12:45] <imbrandon_> +- CFLAGS = -Wall -g
[12:45] <imbrandon_> ++ CFLAGS = -Wall -g -fPIC
[12:46] <imbrandon_> need's -fPIC to compile on amd64
[12:46] <freeflying-g4> imbrandon: I've add this,but have no amd64 for test  :)
[12:46] <imbrandon_> i'll put my build in my own repos so others can test also
[12:46] <imbrandon_> its exactly the same as your other than that
[12:47] <freeflying-g4> imbrandon: nice, I'll tell others sync from your site
[12:47] <imbrandon_> kk i got to sign it etc one sec
[12:47] <imbrandon_> and i'll give you the url
[01:17] <imbrandon_> freeflying|away: ping !
[01:17] <freeflying|away> imbrandon: pong
[01:17] <imbrandon_> heh
[01:17] <imbrandon_> http://www.buntudot.org/people/~imbrandon/packages/
[01:18] <imbrandon_> and http://www.buntudot.org/people/~imbrandon/packages/pubkey.html   <--- for my gpg key
[01:18] <freeflying|away> imbrandon: got it.thx
[01:19] <imbrandon_> i'll do a ppc one here in a little bit
[01:19] <freeflying|away> great, I'd correct the rules, for build on all arch
[01:34] <freeflying|away> imbrandon: ping
[01:35] <Hobbsee> boo!
[01:35] <imbrandon_> sup
[01:35] <imbrandon_> heya Hobbsee
[01:36] <imbrandon_> i changed the arch to all and am building the i386 / amd64 / and ppc over
[01:37] <imbrandon_> freeflying|away: pong
[01:39] <Hobbsee> not much of interest.  darn.
[01:44] <freeflying|away> imbrandon_: are you using pbuilder? or chroot for kopete
[01:45] <imbrandon_> chroot
[01:45] <freeflying|away> imbrandon_: and you using kde-3.5.3
[01:46] <imbrandon_> yup
[01:46] <imbrandon_> Sysinfo for 'birdofprey': Linux 2.6.15-23-amd64-generic running KDE 3.5.3, CPU: AMD Athlon 64 3400+ at 1002 MHz (2006 bogomips), HD: 26/141GB, RAM: 683/687MB, 131 proc's, 7.17h up
[01:47] <imbrandon_> 3.5.3 in chroot too
[01:47] <freeflying|away> imbrandon_: you'd setup a pbuilder, and build just against kde-3.5.2, or others will have problems with it
[01:48] <imbrandon_> ouch , ok 
[01:48] <imbrandon_> i'm rebuilding them anyhow i can do that
[01:48] <imbrandon_> i already have a chroot for 3.5.2 also i'll just use that
[01:48] <imbrandon_> hehe
[01:48] <freeflying|away> imbrandon_: nice
[01:49] <Hobbsee> wow
[01:49] <imbrandon_> ?
[01:50] <freeflying|away> imbrandon_: recommend using pbuilder
[01:50] <imbrandon_> ahh ok i'll try it, hard to setup ?
[01:50] <Hobbsee> guess it is, in the chroot
[01:50] <Hobbsee> but if you install stuff in the chroot, dont you have to clear all that you installed before the next time you use it?
[01:51] <imbrandon_> Hobbsee: i use clean chroot's ;)
[01:51] <Hobbsee> mmm okay
[01:55] <imbrandon_> ok whats the commandline options to build with pbuilder properly ?
[01:56] <imbrandon_> against 3.5.2
[01:56] <imbrandon_> ;)
[01:57] <imbrandon_> freeflying|away: ping
[01:57] <freeflying|away> imbrandon_: pong
[01:57] <imbrandon_> ok whats the commandline options to build with pbuilder properly ?
[01:57] <imbrandon_> against 3.5.2
[01:58] <imbrandon_> pbuilder debuild ?
[01:58] <freeflying|away> imbrandon_: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/PbuilderHowto?highlight=%28pbuilder%29
[02:26] <imbrandon_> brb
[02:34] <imbrandon> ..
[02:36] <imbrandon> kk freeflying|away i got it rebuilding with pbuilder on i386 and amd64 and ppc , i'll update my repos when i wake up in a few hours ( should be done building by then )
[02:36] <imbrandon> gnight freeflying|away / Hobbsee
[02:37] <freeflying|away> imbrandon: gnite
[02:37] <imbrandon> well nap time not gnight hehe for a few hours atleaaste
[02:43] <Hobbsee> night imbrandon 
[02:47] <jsgotangco> good evening
[02:47] <jjesse> hello jsgotangco
[02:56] <\sh> re
[03:08] <kwwii> so here is a question for everyone
[03:09] <jjesse> ok :)
[03:09] <kwwii> the ubuntu artwork team has made a list of goals for edgy, and on it, it says that kubuntu should use the same icons as gnome and a similar style
[03:09] <kwwii> is the kubuntu community interested in that?
[03:09] <kwwii> because I am not
[03:09] <\sh> me neither
[03:10] <jjesse> i like the difference
[03:10] <Lure> kwwii: brown KDE? not really... :-(
[03:10] <Hobbsee> kwwii: that'd help if we actually had a pic of theirs...but no, i seem to remember wanting to get their icons off the screen as quickly as possible.
[03:10] <Hobbsee> no, but i would like a green or a purple
[03:10] <freeflying-g4> we'd have kubuntu's 
[03:10] <Hobbsee> a purple would look really cool :P  or maybe a maroon colour, if they wanted to stay brown
[03:10] <Hobbsee> mmmm..
[03:11] <kwwii> Hobbsee: I have thought a lot about using purple recently
[03:11] <\sh> the problem is, if we do some orange/brownish thing, we would fck away the hardcore kde users
[03:11] <Hobbsee> kwwii: that'd be cool :)
[03:11] <kwwii> it is a nice segway from blue to another color
[03:11] <Hobbsee> gentoo's always had compliments over it's purple
[03:11] <kwwii> ;-)
[03:11] <kwwii> my first three years or so at suse everything was purple
[03:11] <Hobbsee> nice!
[03:11] <kwwii> and then I changed it to green
[03:11] <Hobbsee> anyone got the current icons for gnome?
[03:12] <kwwii> just check tango with the special icons...erm tangerine or so
[03:12] <Hobbsee> kwwii: i'd love to see the oxygen icons for edgy - the done ones, of course, and the rest as crystal - depending on how that looked
[03:12] <\sh> Hobbsee: awful ;)
[03:13] <\sh> moins kwwii BTW
[03:13] <kwwii> howdy \sh
[03:13] <\sh> Hobbsee: no ways to mix crystal with oxygene...
[03:13] <kwwii> I hope that oxygen will be become mature very quickly
[03:13] <Hobbsee> oh okay...
[03:14] <kwwii> we have actually done a lot of work in a short itme
[03:14] <kwwii> time
[03:14] <\sh> I'm not the graphics guy, but I think kwwii agrees with me somehow ;)
[03:14] <kwwii> for now, until oxygen is complete enough to use on it's own,it has to be used with crystal
[03:14] <kwwii> better that than tango
[03:14] <kwwii> anyway...back to the football game
[03:15] <Hobbsee> haha
[03:15] <Hobbsee> football's overrated
[03:16] <jsgotangco> !
[03:16] <jsgotangco> hey we only go crazy over it every 4 years
[03:17] <jjesse> football is over silly europeans, football is in the fall :)
[03:17] <Hobbsee> yay!  i have an ally!
[03:17] <Hobbsee> greetings oh great Riddell 
[03:17] <jjesse> good morning Riddell
[03:18] <jjesse> i copied you in on a message from Mario that i didn't know how to anser
[03:18] <Riddell> tragically I do have to go back to England before the end of the world cup
[03:18] <freeflying-g4> seems Japan will lost 
[03:18] <Hobbsee> Riddell: what do you think of a purple desktop?  :P
[03:18] <Hobbsee> Riddell: where are you now?
[03:18] <\sh> Riddell: where are you now?
[03:18] <jsgotangco> last night i was idling in a yahoo chat room that covered iran vs. mexico and people were screaming for blood lol
[03:18] <Riddell> Scotland.  a country who's closes world cup representation is Trinidad and Tobago
[03:18] <jjesse> didn't i hear that the iranian leader banned the world cup from being shown
[03:18] <Riddell> closest
[03:19] <Hobbsee> hehe nice
[03:19] <Riddell> purple could be fun
[03:19] <\sh> Riddell: oh I thought you traveled to paris already ;)
[03:19] <Hobbsee> :D
[03:19] <Riddell> \sh: wednesday night
[03:19] <Hobbsee> kwwii: i think you'll get your chance to work in purple :D
[03:19] <jsgotangco> jjesse: that's baloney, iran is a football power in asia
[03:20] <jjesse> jsgotangco: just thought i read something in my local sunday paper about how the hardline iranian government was banning people from watching the world cup, but i've been wrong once or twice before 
[03:21] <\sh> oh my ... yum is broken...very much broken
[03:22] <Riddell> \sh: fedora is broken
[03:23] <\sh> Riddell: I'm using yum 2.6.1 on sles9 ... I needed a better packagemanager then yast 
[03:24] <\sh> but yum tells me, that he wants to install jboss 3.0.x i586 and jboss 4.0.x x86_64 on amd64 ..which is totally wrong..
[03:24] <Riddell> \sh: try smart
[03:25] <\sh> Riddell: after I fininshed the first milestone of this project, I switch to smart
[03:25] <\sh> Riddell: but until then, I have to stay with yum
[03:48] <\sh> where was the smart packagemanager homepage?
[03:49] <Riddell> http://labix.org/smart
[03:50] <jsgotangco> smart rocks
[03:50] <jsgotangco> although at first glance the gui option just looks like synaptic
[03:52] <freeflying-g4> \sh: mvo has uploaded smart 
[04:07] <bddebian> Hello
[04:09] <apokryphos> yeah, the GUI is a lot like it (author of smart used to co-maintain it) unfortunately. Still waiting on the KDE/Qt frontend :P
[04:11] <apokryphos> does anyone know if there's been any advance on the talk of smart in edgy?
[04:11] <apokryphos> is it thought of being a replacement to apt, or just a supplementary option?
[04:12] <Riddell> it might be used in gnome-app-install
[04:12] <Riddell> it won't replace apt generally
[04:14] <apokryphos> interesting; any reason why just gnome-app-install?
[04:19] <jsgotangco> its not supposed to replace existing package managers
[05:28] <Hobbsee> freeflying-g4: ping
[05:28] <freeflying-g4> Hobbsee: pong
[05:29] <Hobbsee> freeflying-g4: see http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=Kopete%20Webcam%20Support <-- looks like we have jasper stuff in the repos, but not added as a dep/build-dep, however we need them for kopete
[05:30] <freeflying-g4> Hobbsee: jingle need special ortp, but dapper's is newer than it need, so I don't know how to solve this
[05:30] <Hobbsee> freeflying-g4: er, in english?
[05:32] <Hobbsee> better still, halt that, and tell me tomorrow, or in an email, or a memo if you wish...
[05:32] <Hobbsee> hey jpatrick 
[05:32] <jpatrick> hey Hobbsee
[05:33] <freeflying-g4> Hobbsee: silly me, I thought you mean jingle, :)  I'm still in the football match 
[05:33] <Hobbsee> freeflying-g4: haha no - yahoo webcam support
[05:33] <Hobbsee> receiving them
[05:34] <Hobbsee> havent tried jingle - i dont have a mic handy
[05:34] <freeflying-g4> Hobbsee: I will mail you later, I'd watch the coming match  :)
[05:34] <Hobbsee> okay...hehe
[05:34] <jpatrick> Hobbsee: well Australia won
[05:34] <Hobbsee> oh good
[05:35] <Hobbsee> i think i heard that earlier :P
[05:35] <jpatrick> :P
[05:35] <freeflying-g4> Hobbsee: a girl here has compiled kopete, but can not make webcam work
[05:35] <jpatrick> Damn, goldenear isn't here
[05:35] <Hobbsee> goldenear_away: is a girl?  wow.  cool.
[05:35] <Hobbsee> i'd try with thatas either a dep or a build-dep
[05:36] <freeflying-g4> Hobbsee: I mean in #ubuntu-cn  :)
[05:36] <Riddell> Hobbsee: isn't that what you should never say to someone on IRC? :)
[05:36] <Hobbsee> Riddell: haha - it's different if you're a female yourself, and therefore not about to hit on her
[05:37] <Riddell> ah, yes
[05:37] <Hobbsee> not that...not that you guys would necessarily do that anyway, but there's still the threat of it...
[05:37] <Hobbsee> oh i dont know - i'm being paranoid again dammit!
[05:40] <Hobbsee> hey Lure 
[05:42] <Hobbsee> night all - i thikn i'm actually properly leaving this time
[06:32] <goldenear> jpatrick: I'm here now
[06:32] <goldenear> and btw, I'm not a girl
[06:33] <jpatrick> goldenear: ok, kmplayer died again
[06:33] <goldenear> what do you mean ?
[06:33] <jpatrick> It can't do streams
[06:34] <goldenear> ???
[06:36] <jpatrick> goldenear: like: http://videocodezone.com/videos/r/red_hot_chili_peppers/around_the_world-2.html
[06:37] <jpatrick> goldenear: but I can play local videos
[06:47] <goldenear> jpatrick: it plays for me
[06:47] <jpatrick> not me tho
[06:47] <goldenear> but need many time to start
[06:47] <DaSkreech> Riddell: Morning
[06:47] <Riddell> hi DaSkreech 
[06:48] <DaSkreech> Riddell: did you get to overhear my GIS discussion?
[06:48] <Riddell> don't think so
[06:49] <DaSkreech> Ok :-(
[06:49] <DaSkreech> Well then the shoort question is if I have a Potentially Awesome Idea (c) wouldit make sense tomail sabdfl?
[06:50] <Riddell> DaSkreech: better to write a spec
[06:50] <Riddell> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+addspec
[06:50] <Riddell> add to paris meeting
[06:55] <DaSkreech> I'ts much longer term than that
[06:55] <DaSkreech> But okie :)
[06:55] <MidMark> Riddell: is there a chance to make kubuntu preinstalled in some laptop? I mean contacting some vendors and ask them... sorry for this atipic question
[06:56] <Riddell> MidMark: a couple already do, see kubunturg/ship.php
[06:56] <Riddell> kubuntu.org/ship.php
[06:57] <MidMark> Riddell: 404
[06:57] <Riddell> shop.php
[06:57] <Riddell> it's linked from the front page :)
[06:58] <MidMark> shops.php :)
[06:59] <MidMark> great works, but I mean a completely new line from Asus, Acer or vendor like that, that include Kubuntu instead of win
[07:00] <jpatrick> Riddell: http://www.kubuntu.org/faq.php#installfromubuntu should point to the wiki page
[07:01] <toma> i
[07:01] <jpatrick> and shouldn't the source cds point to the dapper ones?
[07:07] <jjesse> Riddell: just sent you an email
[08:14] <DaSkreech> ops!
[08:14] <DaSkreech> Need a quick kick ban
[08:15] <Riddell> done
[08:20] <DaSkreech> Thanks
[08:49] <apachelogger> ahoy Riddell, are you around?
[08:50] <jpatrick> I think he left "[20:23]  pradeepto: if you're quick"
[08:56] <DaSkreech> Anyone familar with specs?
[08:59] <Tonio_> hey
[08:59] <DaSkreech> hi
[08:59] <DaSkreech> Do I have to do a wiki page before I do the spec?
[09:04] <Lure> DaSkreech: I think so
[09:04] <DaSkreech> Hmm Ok
[09:04] <DaSkreech> It's BrainDump?
[09:04] <Lure> yes, unless you will draft it already (implementation and stuff)
[09:07] <DaSkreech> Well I have a rough idea 
[09:07] <DaSkreech> been owrking on it for about a year
[09:07] <DaSkreech> It's kinda huge though
[09:09] <DaSkreech> wiki.kubuntu.org?
[09:10] <DaSkreech> Though it's not realyl KDE specific
[09:10] <DaSkreech> I hope
[09:10] <DaSkreech> really
[09:11] <lnxKDE> someone using KDE 4.0 svn?
[09:12] <DaSkreech> lnxKDE: You really need to be in #kde
[09:13] <lnxKDE> k
[09:13] <Riddell> apachelogger: hi
[09:13] <toma> lnxKDE: that would surprise me
[09:14] <apachelogger> Riddell: do you know the status quo of kopete packaging for dapper?
[09:14] <DaSkreech> Think he's gone
[09:15] <DaSkreech> apachelogger: Last I spoke to him on that he said that he wasn't doing it and no one had stepped up to offer 
[09:15] <DaSkreech> Not sure if that's changed
[09:15] <apachelogger> hm
[09:16] <Riddell> apachelogger: freeflying and imbrandon were looking at it last
[09:16] <apachelogger> hm
[09:16] <DaSkreech> yay!
[09:16] <apachelogger> only problem is version imo
[09:16] <DaSkreech> Riddell: Do i have to have a Wiki page for the spec?
[09:17] <DaSkreech> does it matter if it's wiki.kubuntu or ubuntu.org?
[09:20] <Riddell> DaSkreech: they're the same wiki
[09:20] <DaSkreech> Right so just make a pagethen
[09:25] <apachelogger> Riddell: could use "4:3.5.3+kopete0.12.0-0ubuntu1" as version?
[09:26] <Riddell> apachelogger: yes
[09:26] <apachelogger> k, gonna do a try :)
[09:41] <toma> anyone interested in beta testing rsibreak 0.7.0?
[09:42] <jpatrick> toma: Not Repetitive strain injury, (my only fear as guitarist)
[09:43] <toma> jpatrick: sorry?
[09:43] <jpatrick> [[RSI] ] 
[09:44] <toma> right, its an app to prevent it
[09:45] <Lure> toma: yes
[09:45] <toma> ok, i'll package it
[09:47] <apachelogger> Riddell: shall I put it in revu when I'm done?
[09:49] <Riddell> apachelogger: if you want, you should talk to freeflying and imbrandon to see what they've done
[09:49] <apachelogger> k
[09:49] <apachelogger> imbrandon: ping
[09:51] <DaSkreech> I heard about it
[09:51] <DaSkreech> it bugs you to stop using the computer and get a life?
[09:52] <imbrandon> apachelogger: pong
[09:52] <apachelogger> imbrandon: could you upload your work on kopete 0.12 somewhere?
[09:53] <apachelogger> I try to do a final package
[09:53] <imbrandon> already have , and its merged with freeflying
[09:53] <imbrandon> one sec
[09:53] <apachelogger> ah
[09:53] <allee> hi
[09:53] <apachelogger> hi allee
[09:53] <imbrandon> http://www.buntudot.org/people/~imbrandon/packages/
[09:54] <imbrandon> ^^ there ya go apachelogger 
[09:54] <apachelogger> thx
[09:54] <imbrandon> that has freeflying and my changes
[09:55] <DaSkreech> imbrandon: What changes are made?
[09:55] <jpatrick> imbrandon: 3.5.3_* isn't going to work, afaik
[09:55] <apachelogger> maybe I can still add something ;-)
[09:55] <imbrandon> jpatrick: yea i know that was what freeflying already had i just rebuilt it for him fixing amd64 FTB
[09:58] <imbrandon> apachelogger: i'm gone for about 1 hour afk, ping me if you need something
[09:58] <apachelogger> k
[10:02] <DaSkreech> apachelogger: What changes need to be made?
[10:03] <apachelogger> hm
[10:03] <apachelogger> everything :P
[10:03] <apachelogger> if we wanna publish it @ kubuntu.org
[10:03] <DaSkreech> Right. Is there a doc for what the packages must conform to?
[10:04] <apachelogger> various
[10:04] <apachelogger> somewhere in the wiki
[10:04] <DaSkreech> :-)
[10:04] <apachelogger> hidden places ;-)
[10:04] <DaSkreech>  ok
[10:04] <apachelogger> noone ever knows all ;-)
[10:05] <jpatrick> DaSkreech: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/
[10:05] <apachelogger> imbrandon: why disable jingles support?
[10:06] <DaSkreech> I'll get right on reading that and building an ark
[10:06] <DaSkreech> See which gets done first
[10:07] <apachelogger> ;-)
[10:07] <DaSkreech> Thats a huge doc
[10:11] <toma> Lure, jpatrick: http://rsibeta.omat.nl/ toughly packaged for now
[10:12] <Lure> toma: downloading
[10:12] <jpatrick> toma: is that a native package?
[10:12] <toma> Lure, jpatrick: I would appreciate a test of the 'break at fixed time' option
[10:12] <toma> jpatrick: whats that?
[10:13] <jpatrick> toma: no .diff.gz
[10:13] <toma> ow, i can put it there, hang on
[10:13] <jpatrick> nor a .orig.tar.gz
[10:14] <jpatrick> toma: rsibreak depends on kdelibs4c2a (>= 4:3.5.3); however
[10:14] <Lure> toma: what is "break at fixed time"?
[10:14] <apachelogger> eeeh, pbuilder to use :)
[10:14] <toma> jpatrick: named the orig wrongly, so no diff
[10:15] <toma> jpatrick: as i said. roughly packages, i hope to convince allee for the final one
[10:17] <toma> Lure: it does not take into account the time you are idle
[10:17] <allee> toma: np ;)
[10:26] <Lure> toma: I like new shadded background, but notify window seems to be just black rectangle...
[10:27] <Lure> toma: and yes, moving mouse works during quite time...
[10:27] <toma> Lure: notify window black?
[10:27] <toma> Lure: what do you mean by that?
[10:33] <Lure> toma: I have panel on top and when break happens, there is a cca 6x2.5cm rectangle below rsibreak icon - it looks like KNotify message window (in terms of size and position on screen)
[10:34] <toma> Lure: hmm, i fixed that earlier this evening, i thought
[10:34] <toma> Lure: is that with the new timer?
[10:34] <toma> (break at fixed times)
[10:35] <Lure> toma: yes
[10:36] <toma> ok, i see it
[10:37] <Lure> now it was not black, but greyish... but snapshot did not work (break happened before I pressen New snapshot with delay)
[10:37] <toma> Lure: greyish with a small lighter grey box on the right?
[10:38] <toma> think i see the bug
[10:38] <Lure> toma: I think so. I am sure that black one hade a small one in
[10:38] <toma> oki, will fix that
[10:40] <toma> ok, fixed.
[10:47] <DaSkreech> Uh oh
[10:48] <DaSkreech> Can I edit a spec?
[10:49] <allee> DaSkreech: at the end is a comment section.  Use this
[10:49] <DaSkreech> Umm no I want to change the name of the Spec
[10:49] <DaSkreech>  I thought it was my name
[10:50] <toma> Lure: anything else?
[10:50] <DaSkreech> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/rogerpixley
[10:50] <DaSkreech> :-(
[10:52] <Lure> toma: no other side effects
[10:52] <imbrandon> apachelogger: [10:30]  <freeflying-g4> Hobbsee: jingle need special ortp, but dapper's is newer than it need, so I don't know how to solve this
[10:52] <imbrandon> apachelogger: so it got disabled
[10:52] <apachelogger> ;-)
[10:52] <toma> Lure: ok, thanks
[10:52] <DaSkreech> Guess I'll just leave it as is
[10:52] <imbrandon> apachelogger: and the -fPIC CFLAG is for amd64
[10:53] <apachelogger> know what the awesomeness of Kubuntu is?
[10:53] <Lure> toma: if you will have any new version to test, just ping me....
[10:53] <apachelogger> it just works :P
[10:53] <imbrandon> ;)
[10:53] <apachelogger> imbrandon: k, gonna leave that flag
[10:53] <toma> Lure: will do, thnxs
[10:53] <apachelogger> though I think we don't need the whole rules
[10:53] <apachelogger> not even 2 % of it
[10:53] <apachelogger> ok, maybe 2 ;-)
[10:53] <imbrandon> lol
[10:54] <apachelogger> really, compiling kopete takes far too long
[10:55] <imbrandon> hahahah yea
[10:55] <imbrandon> apachelogger: once you have your built let me know and i'll rebuild mine with your sources for amd64 and let poeple test it
[10:55] <DaSkreech> apachelogger: DW disagrees it seems
[10:56] <imbrandon> lunchtime brb
[10:56] <apachelogger> DaSkreech: DW?
[10:57] <DaSkreech> http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20060612#opinion
[10:58] <apachelogger> phew
[10:59] <apachelogger> totally unimporatnt :P
[10:59] <DaSkreech> Yeah hence the end of the URL :)
[10:59] <DaSkreech> Who did you think it was?
[11:00] <apachelogger> no idea
[11:28] <DaSkreech> Anyone in #kubuntu?
[11:28] <Riddell> a couple hundred are
[11:31] <apachelogger> lol
[11:31] <DaSkreech> Are those guys breaking !language?
[11:31] <Riddell> they're offtopic if nothing else
[11:33] <apachelogger> Riddell: to get xpm's packaged as well they just need to be in the debian dir, correct?
[11:34] <Riddell> they need to be told where to go as well
[11:34] <nixternal> hello everyone!!!
[11:34] <apachelogger> hm
[11:42] <kmon> I've just bought a plasma t-shirt ;)
[11:42] <apachelogger> arrsome :D
[11:42] <kmon> hehe
[11:42] <DaSkreech> doesn't it burn
[11:46] <apachelogger> :P
[11:48] <nixternal> hahah DaSkreech
[12:01] <Riddell> hmm, display is quite broken for me