| WebMaven | This *could* have been fixed prior to Dapper's release. | 12:04 |
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| crimsun_ | lots of issues /could/ have been. Resource limits are problematic. | 12:05 |
| WebMaven | I'm very grateful that it is supposedly fixed now, but I won't stop worrying until I can verify it for myself. | 12:06 |
| WebMaven | crimsun_: sure, I understand. I also understand that the squeaky wheel gets the grease. | 12:07 |
| WebMaven | So, I'm squeaking. | 12:07 |
| WebMaven | I'll try to squeak more quietly, thoguh. | 12:07 |
| WebMaven | 'though' | 12:08 |
| === WebMaven goes back to patient and reflective contemplation for the next few days. | ||
| BenC | WebMaven: First reported: 2006-06-03 | 12:28 |
| BenC | two days after release | 12:28 |
| BenC | the dupes, did not contain enough info to triage the bug | 12:29 |
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| infinity | BenC: We build kernels for breezy-sparc because we always have? | 02:36 |
| infinity | BenC: sparc wasn't officially supported in breezy, but it was released (same as hppa and ia64, both of which built fine, BTW) | 02:37 |
| BenC | infinity: will a security update be held back because of sparc FTBFS? | 02:37 |
| BenC | not sure if we introduced anything in the last breezy update that would have caused that | 02:37 |
| infinity | BenC: If it can't be easily fixed, then I suppose not. We only support amd64/powerpc/i386 on breezy. That doesn't mean we shouldn't attempt occasionally to make sure the others work. | 02:37 |
| zul | no i dont think anything touched those files | 02:38 |
| infinity | BenC: Yes, it was FTBFS last time too, and I bounced you the log, you don't recall? | 02:38 |
| infinity | (You told me you'd fix it for the next update) | 02:38 |
| BenC | damn, guess I forgot :) | 02:40 |
| infinity | Looks like the last one that built successfully was 10.26 | 02:41 |
| infinity | At least, that's the last one that's in the archive. | 02:41 |
| zul | hmm....should i try to fix it? | 02:41 |
| infinity | zul: I'd like it if someone did, but it's not the end of the world if no one does, I guess. | 02:42 |
| infinity | I just dislike dropping a security fix on the floor just because an arch is unsupported (unless it's WAY too much effort) | 02:42 |
| zul | ill track a crack at it | 02:42 |
| infinity | Launchpad should have a resonable source history here, if you need to track back through the changes, since this was pre-git: | 02:44 |
| infinity | https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.12 | 02:44 |
| infinity | I know that 10.26 is the last version in the archive. I'll have to dig a bit to see if that was actually the last version to build correctly. | 02:44 |
| infinity | Okay, the first time I saw it fail was 10.32, since before that, Fabio was building sparc/security, not me. | 02:47 |
| infinity | So, it broke bwteen 10.26 and 10.32 (not that helpful, I know, but I imagine the nature of the breakage won't make it that hard to track down which revision was responsible) | 02:47 |
| mjg59 | BenC: How do you get a git tree on kernel.org? | 02:52 |
| infinity | Sleep with Linus. | 02:53 |
| infinity | (again) | 02:53 |
| mjg59 | I told him how to make his Mac work | 02:54 |
| infinity | That may be close enough. | 02:57 |
| BenC | mjg59: email ftp-master@ftp.kernel.org I believe | 02:57 |
| BenC | or maybe just @kernel.org | 02:58 |
| === BenC forgets | ||
| mjg59 | You need a kernel.org address? | 02:58 |
| mjg59 | Uh, account | 02:58 |
| zul | sorry i didnt realized i wasnt registered :( | 03:02 |
| BenC | mjg59: yeah, you'd get a kernel.org email, ssh account, and access to your own area(s) in the ftp tree | 03:15 |
| BenC | I'm not sure of their criteria, but I was like "hey biatch, I'm Ben Collins, give me an account foo" | 03:16 |
| BenC | and they were like "yeah dude, here ya go" | 03:16 |
| zul | lol | 03:17 |
| BenC | well, it went something like that :) | 03:17 |
| === BenC is doing a full warning-hunt on the 2.6.17 tree | ||
| BenC | we're getting way too many compiler and MODPOST (linker) warnings | 03:18 |
| BenC | and there's a lot of modules that cannot even load on smp machines, so I need to disable them | 03:18 |
| zul | BenC: you did an upload for dapper? | 03:37 |
| BenC | yeah | 03:54 |
| zul | cool | 03:58 |
| zul | ill put up the diffs for breezy/hoary tomorrow morning unless if i can do the uploads myself | 03:59 |
| zul | anyays night night | 04:10 |
| BenC | did you do anything besides the i387 for hoary? | 04:10 |
| zul | what do you mean? | 04:10 |
| zul | if you mean the other 3 patches that were there yes | 04:13 |
| BenC | ok, you may want bump the hoary version | 04:14 |
| zul | yeah i did.. | 04:14 |
| BenC | because I uploaded one after you for the i386 build failure on amd64 | 04:14 |
| BenC | one more than your last one :) | 04:14 |
| zul | linux-source-2.6.10 (2.6.10-34.19) hoary-security; urgency=low | 04:15 |
| zul | thats wgat i have in the changelog | 04:17 |
| BenC | I did a .19 | 04:17 |
| BenC | so maybe make it .20 | 04:17 |
| zul | ok..ill do it tomorrow morning...same for breezy? | 04:17 |
| zul | oh and i have a couple of patches that im testing right now if they compile alright ill forward them tomorrow | 04:18 |
| zul | toodles | 04:18 |
| WebMaven | BenC: You said " the dupes, did not contain enough info to triage the bug" | 04:42 |
| WebMaven | BenC: But the main dupe had all 'requested' info, ibncluding the information that this was still a problem in the then-current Beta. | 04:43 |
| WebMaven | The *only* reason my bug eventually had more info is because I kept asking "is there any other info you need" about twice a day. | 04:44 |
| WebMaven | And becasue I didn't accept people blaming the ralink module. | 04:45 |
| WebMaven | Only when another user volunteered the info that 'acpi=off' caused the network problems to go away was the problem solved. | 04:49 |
| WebMaven | Without that info coming to light I'd probabaly still be asking "is there any furter info you need?" at irregular intervals. | 04:52 |
| BenC | WebMaven: users were asked to try the stuff on the wiki, which included acpi=off | 05:10 |
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| pitti | hi | 11:25 |
| fabbione | yo | 11:25 |
| fabbione | BenC: the problem is that for some fucked up mind logic behind -updates | 11:25 |
| fabbione | if you start using it, you will need to upload the kernel twice each time you do a security or bug fix | 11:25 |
| fabbione | i personally don't care | 11:25 |
| fabbione | but pitti can explain the details to you | 11:26 |
| fabbione | i would prefer to keep all in one pocket for the sake of baby jesus | 11:26 |
| fabbione | but you decide | 11:26 |
| BenC | ok | 11:26 |
| pitti | fabbione: it's not a fucked up logic, it's simply creating another branch we have to care for | 11:26 |
| BenC | i can do security | 11:27 |
| fabbione | BenC: do you want me to rephrase something to make it look like security? | 11:27 |
| pitti | BenC: which changes do we talk about? | 11:27 |
| fabbione | i am goo at that ;) | 11:27 |
| BenC | pitti: random fixes from malone | 11:27 |
| pitti | BenC: are they just some sparc bug fixes, or that sort? | 11:27 |
| pitti | BenC: safe fixes with obvious patches are fine for me for -security | 11:28 |
| BenC | no, they touch arch-indep code | 11:28 |
| pitti | BenC: and since we should not be less careful with -updates, it doesn't really matter which one we break :) | 11:28 |
| BenC | simple fixes | 11:28 |
| fabbione | all i care is to get the sparc stuff in asap | 11:29 |
| fabbione | i don't care how.. beacuse afaik we will need to push d-i into updates due to ogre model build system | 11:29 |
| pitti | BenC: I'd avoid branching if at all possible | 11:31 |
| pitti | BenC: so for me the question is not really -security vs. -updates, but rather whether a patch is appropriate for stable or not | 11:31 |
| BenC | so stick with -security? | 11:31 |
| pitti | yes | 11:31 |
| fabbione | did we fix already all the known -security issues? | 11:32 |
| BenC | yes | 11:32 |
| fabbione | hmm ok | 11:33 |
| fabbione | give me 2 minutes | 11:33 |
| fabbione | i will give you a USN with a fix | 11:33 |
| BenC | lol | 11:36 |
| fabbione | BenC, pitti: see /msg | 11:36 |
| pitti | BenC, fabbione: we don't need to invent anything :) we didn't release the current dapper kernel yet, so just update the currently pending one | 11:37 |
| fabbione | right | 11:38 |
| fabbione | that would work too | 11:38 |
| fabbione | BenC: i leave up to you what you prefer.. | 11:39 |
| BenC | so can you reject that and I can merge .41 back to .40 and reupload .40? | 11:39 |
| fabbione | you will need .41 | 11:40 |
| fabbione | sources for .40 have been accepted and processed | 11:40 |
| fabbione | only the binaries are sitting in NEW | 11:40 |
| BenC | ok | 11:41 |
| fabbione | i guess we will still need the ABI files... | 11:42 |
| BenC | yeah, gotta have those | 11:42 |
| fabbione | yeha | 11:42 |
| fabbione | infinity, Kamion, mdz and elmo are not around | 11:42 |
| fabbione | our only hope is Znarl | 11:42 |
| fabbione | or to start waking up people | 11:43 |
| mjg59 | Colin's on holiday | 11:43 |
| fabbione | mjg59: yeah, that doesn't change that is not around :P | 11:44 |
| mjg59 | It was more "If you try to wake him up, really bad things would happen" | 11:46 |
| fabbione | mjg59: yeah thanks :) i was told :) | 11:47 |
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| zul | heylo | 01:00 |
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| zul | BenC: i should have the updates for you by lunch time at the earliest | 02:39 |
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| zul | BenC: -20 is up | 05:07 |
| zul | for hoary at least | 05:07 |
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| bradb | Is there an updated orinoco driver that supports WPA? | 06:19 |
| mdz | fabbione,BenC: I'll accept the upload | 06:43 |
| cjb | bradb: Are there orinoco *cards* that support WPA? | 06:44 |
| mdz | hmm, that's odd, it claims it's been in the queue for 5 days? that seems unlikely | 06:44 |
| mdz | oh, different upload | 06:45 |
| mdz | fabbione,BenC: so does linux-source-2.6.17_2.6.17-1.1 need processing or no? | 06:45 |
| BenC | mdz: Yes, it does, thanks | 06:46 |
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| bradb | cjb: Hm, good question. :) | 07:18 |
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| zul | wheee...iso training is fun | 08:07 |
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| fabbione | mdz: are you driving .15 upload trough dapper-security NEW process? | 08:20 |
| mdz | fabbione: I was not aware that it needed driving | 08:22 |
| mdz | I thought you were talking about edgy | 08:22 |
| fabbione | .15 in dapper-security needs NEW in katie. I am not sure .41 is there already | 08:23 |
| fabbione | mdz: and pitti doesn't have privileges to do it | 08:23 |
| fabbione | anyway i am heading off for dinner and football | 08:25 |
| zul | c ya fabbione | 08:25 |
| fabbione | mdz: if there is anything, please just text me | 08:25 |
| fabbione | cya zulligno ;) | 08:25 |
| mdz | fabbione: processing it now | 08:25 |
| mdz | fabbione: done | 08:25 |
| fabbione | mdz: ok cool. thanks | 08:25 |
| zul | good luck with ghana | 08:25 |
| fabbione | zul: thanks | 08:25 |
| mdz | if .41 builds the same binaries it should go right through | 08:25 |
| fabbione | mdz: yes, it will and .40 accepted is fine, since it stops at amber checkpoint ;) | 08:26 |
| fabbione | later guys | 08:27 |
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| Alatius | Not sure if I've come to the right place here, but I wonder, what is the difference between the 386 kernel that is default and the 686 kernel you can download? | 09:06 |
| Alatius | I mean, is there different patches applied to it, different compile settings, apart from the target platform? | 09:06 |
| BenC | Alatius: 686 is tuned for 686 CPU's, while 386 will run on 486 and better (it's more generic) | 09:12 |
| BenC | also the 686 version is SMP enabled | 09:12 |
| Alatius | Yeah, I tried the 686 instead, since I have a PIII, but I have an issue with the 686 kernel that I didn't have with the 386... | 09:14 |
| Alatius | My computer will now not shut down itself completely, instead it stays on the message "Will now halt". With the 386 kernel it worked perfectly. | 09:15 |
| alex_joni | Alatius: sounds like ACPI is not working | 09:15 |
| Alatius | I guess there's some issue with ACPI, yes. | 09:15 |
| Alatius | But I wonder, is there any reason why the two kernels would handle it differently? | 09:18 |
| Alatius | I read on the forums (right before they went offline) that I could try to start with "acpi=force lapic", but it didn't help. | 09:19 |
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| zul | later | 10:01 |
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| zul | heylo | 10:27 |
| zul | crimsun_: ping | 10:47 |
| crimsun_ | zul: pong | 10:48 |
| zul | have you seen this? http://www.kernel.org/hg/linux-2.6/?cs=c7a4c2b71aa7 | 10:48 |
| crimsun_ | no, looking | 10:48 |
| crimsun_ | ah, I saw that changeset, but no one complained so it wasn't backported | 10:49 |
| crimsun_ | do we have a related bug report now? | 10:49 |
| zul | yeah..#11149 | 10:50 |
| zul | i was going to grab it | 10:50 |
| crimsun_ | ok, if you want to, that's fine, else I'll queue it for this evening | 10:50 |
| zul | ok ill will be in my tree tonight | 10:50 |
| crimsun_ | keep an eye on the struct vs. xxx_t changes | 10:51 |
| zul | ill send you the patch | 10:53 |
| crimsun_ | ok, thanks. crimsun at ubuntu | 10:54 |
| zul | ok | 10:54 |
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| blahblah | can somebody answer a simple question for me regarding kernel update frequency? | 11:28 |
| zul | blahblah: it should be soon | 11:28 |
| blahblah | how regularly does it happen? daily/weekly/monthly? | 11:29 |
| blahblah | I need a wireless driver and the stock installed kernel doesn't have it | 11:29 |
| zul | what wireless driver? | 11:29 |
| blahblah | broadcom, model number I forget | 11:30 |
| blahblah | system is at work | 11:30 |
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| crimsun_ | the bcm43xx has a native driver which works for some values of "works" | 11:30 |
| blahblah | anyhow I'm just curious because I probably do'nt want to use a distro that has kernel updates quarterly or semi-annually :) | 11:31 |
| [g2] | I think some of the OpenWRT have played with/worked on that driver | 11:31 |
| blahblah | I've been using fedora on my laptop for the past two years but I want something less cutting edge | 11:31 |
| blahblah | and something a bit more cohesive | 11:32 |
| zul | well we dont do quarerly updates or semi-anual updates if that is what you are asking | 11:33 |
| blahblah | well, I am asking the frequency............ | 11:33 |
| blahblah | is there a repository that has testing kernels that don't make it into the main repo? | 11:34 |
| crimsun_ | the frequency depends on the accumulation of fixes, generally. Security issues have highest priorities. | 11:34 |
| blahblah | sure sure | 11:34 |
| blahblah | but still, are we talking days, weeks or months in general? | 11:34 |
| crimsun_ | well, none of us can predict the future, but weeks to month{,s} is a decent range | 11:35 |
| blahblah | ok so is it safe to say that there will be a kernel update monthly-ish ? | 11:35 |
| blahblah | I can live with that | 11:35 |
| zul | crimsun_: ttp://zulinux.homelinux.net/ubuntu/kernel/patches/cs46xx.patch | 11:36 |
| crimsun_ | I have no idea. I believe LTS wrt kernels is on the agenda at the Paris conf. | 11:36 |
| crimsun_ | zul: danke | 11:36 |
| BenC | blahblah: if you are talking about stable (released), then monthly is probably worst case | 11:37 |
| blahblah | ah good deal | 11:37 |
| BenC | blahblah: however, if you are talking about following our development cycle, I can definitely put a hurt on your b/w with kernel updates | 11:37 |
| blahblah | if everything worked, I'd be happy with a stock kernel that updated rarely | 11:37 |
| === BenC has no mercy in this case :) | ||
| blahblah | but right now I'm using ndiswrapper w/ fedora and dapper has broken support for the wireless | 11:38 |
| BenC | which wireless card? | 11:38 |
| blahblah | apparently the newer kernel versions have fixed drivers so that's what I'm hoping to get | 11:38 |
| blahblah | it's some broadcom model, forget which | 11:38 |
| BenC | bcm43xx? | 11:38 |
| blahblah | yeah | 11:38 |
| BenC | if it is, you can blacklist bcm43xx and use ndiswrapper just the same as you used to | 11:39 |
| blahblah | ah | 11:39 |
| blahblah | can you point me to a doc on how to do that? | 11:39 |
| blahblah | I do'nt want to kludge my system, but if it's a clean way of doing it I'll be happy with it | 11:39 |
| blahblah | is there a modules.conf or something to tell it to avoid that module? | 11:40 |
| BenC | (as root) echo blacklist bcm43xx > /etc/modutils/bcm-blacklist | 11:40 |
| blahblah | ah excellent | 11:40 |
| BenC | that'll keep udev from loading it up automatically | 11:40 |
| blahblah | excellent | 11:40 |
| blahblah | thanks for the tip | 11:41 |
| BenC | np | 11:41 |
| blahblah | adios | 11:41 |
| zul | i think he was just looking for support | 11:42 |
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| cjb | Hrr. My machine's been killing itself about once a week since I upgraded to the dapper release. Maybe it's the temperature or something. | 11:57 |
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