=== Flik [n=Flik@S01060030bd9a9333.vf.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Flik [n=Flik@S01060030bd9a9333.vf.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Rinchen [n=Rinchen@unaffiliated/rescue] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Flik [n=Flik@S01060030bd9a9333.vf.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Rinchen [n=Rinchen@unaffiliated/rescue] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === JaneW [n=JaneW@dsl-146-167-152.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === j_ack [n=nico@p508DB3A1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === mako [i=mako@bork.hampshire.edu] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] === jjross [n=jim@ani-pdsl1-static-180.actionnet.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === RAE [n=ricekt@69-169-53-189.anhmca.adelphia.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === RAE [n=ricekt@69-169-53-189.anhmca.adelphia.net] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] === Eleaf [n=ethan@geek-61.209-193-100.qwest.dsl.vcn.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [05:29] yar mate [05:29] I shall part, mate'. === Eleaf [n=ethan@geek-61.209-193-100.qwest.dsl.vcn.com] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Leaving"] === DJMario [n=xxx@c925155a.rjo.virtua.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === DJMario is now known as Meyer_ === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@c211-28-181-26.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Flik [n=Flik@d154-5-33-125.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === RAE [n=ricekt@69-169-53-189.anhmca.adelphia.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === RAE [n=ricekt@69-169-53-189.anhmca.adelphia.net] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@c211-28-181-26.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === pppoe_dude [n=blimpdud@CPE00055df621f8-CM000e5cdd83d2.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["i] === ealden [n=ealden@203.76.211.211] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === ajmitch [n=ajmitch@203.89.166.123] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === juantao [n=user@66.241.72.54] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [08:27] pardon me, can you tell me when the community council meets next ? === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [08:48] juantao: not announced yet. Should be this week, I think. [08:49] I'm looking forward to that too ;) === magical_trevsky [n=magical@80-45-41-53.static.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === mvo [n=egon@p54A67785.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === dholbach [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/dholbach] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === lucas [n=lucas@ubuntu/member/lucas] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === doko [n=doko@dslb-088-073-091-142.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Huahua [n=hua_@222.50.182.216] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === janimo [n=jani@Home03207.cluj.astral.ro] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === janimo [n=jani@Home03207.cluj.astral.ro] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] === Toadstool [n=jcorbier@ubuntu/member/toadstool] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Hirion [n=hirion@draugr.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === lfittl [n=lfittl@83-65-242-216.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === phlaegel [n=phlaegel@atdot.ca] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === janimo [n=jani@Home03207.cluj.astral.ro] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === janimo [n=jani@Home03207.cluj.astral.ro] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === kbrooks [n=kbrooks@unaffiliated/kbrooks] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === ealden [n=ealden@203.76.211.211] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === zyga [n=zyga@ubuntu/member/zyga] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === highvoltage [n=jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === j_ack [n=nico@p508DA5BB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === rikai is now known as rikai|ddr === dholbach [n=daniel@i577B2852.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === licio [n=licio@ubuntu/member/licio] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === juantao [n=user@66.241.72.54] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Ex-Chat"] === mornfall [n=mornfall@kde/developer/mornfall] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === juantao [n=user@66.241.72.54] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [04:43] Hello, I've applied for Ubuntu membership and want to participate in the next meeting of the Community Council. Would someone be kind enough to email me the meeting time? Thanks: info AT computerdropoff.org [04:44] juantao: see the cc meetingagenda for it, when the time will be decided that page will be updated [04:46] got it, thank you. === juantao [n=user@66.241.72.54] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Ex-Chat"] [04:47] indeed :) I'm lurking and waiting for the next CC meeting as well. [05:02] I always miss them (assuming they take place :p) === jeang [n=jeang@dsl-145-52-129.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [05:08] Spec: nah, its a conspiracy to drive you mad! === lucas [n=lucas@ubuntu/member/lucas] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === rikai|ddr is now known as rikai === Huahua [n=hua_@222.50.182.38] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === jeang [n=jeang@dsl-145-52-129.telkomadsl.co.za] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === el [n=konversa@u40-30.dsl.vianetworks.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === highvoltage [n=jono@mtngprs7.mtn.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === aseigo [n=aseigo@kde/aseigo] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [06:09] Riddell: ping? [06:10] hi aseigo, 1 hour to go === rikai [n=kitty@pool-72-65-100-210.ptldme.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [06:11] @schedule Prague [06:11] Schedule for Europe/Prague: 14 Jun 14:00: Edubuntu | 14 Jun 15:30: Xubuntu | 15 Jun 16:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 15 Jun 19:00: Documentation Team | 20 Jun 22:00: Technical Board | 21 Jun 15:30: Xubuntu === jenda wonders what that one hour to go is for... [06:12] Riddell: ok... so i'm early, good =) the reminder just popped up on my desktop and i dismissed it before checking if i set it to go off an hour early (what i usually do =) or right on time [06:12] Riddell: i suppose i could've just checked my calendar =P [06:12] jenda: the end of the world. [06:12] jenda: prepare now. [06:13] Oh no!!! [06:13] Really? Just as I was beginning to like it... [06:13] heh =) [06:13] it's ok. we're replacing it with a better model. [06:13] you won't notice a thing save for an uptick in contentment [06:13] OK, but will I be implemented? [06:14] up to you. it's an opt-in sort of thing [06:14] I guess the last statement implies it in a way... unless a feature is more content when obsolete... === rikai [n=kitty@pool-72-65-100-210.ptldme.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === tackat [n=tackat@pd95b5caa.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [06:30] ... === ervin [n=ipsquad@kde/ervin] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [06:46] hello [06:47] hello ervin === sebas [n=sebas@belphegor.deadlysins.nl] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [06:52] ervin: yo dude [06:52] sebas: howdy === aseigo senses a disturbance in the force [06:53] hidiho aseigerino === sebas notes that he didn't forget without using korganizer. === ervin gives sebas a cookie === sebas accepts and bows thankfully. [06:54] sebas: you're a better man than i === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [06:54] EHLO mornfall.net [06:54] :] [06:55] aseigo: Good to know, based on which metrics? ;-) [06:55] Moin mornfall [06:55] sebas: remembering without reminders flashing in the middle of your screen ;) [06:55] sebas: and probably many others. i'm not a hard act to beat, i'm afraid. [06:56] it's like leaping over midgets [06:56] pastasalad made it possible [06:56] aseigo: Heh, I guess you'd win a karaoke match every time === Sime|3-1 [n=konversa@ip54579d1b.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === sebas has koffie [06:57] LoL Sime|3-1 :D [06:57] well, there are -some- things that i'm less midgetlike in than others i suppose =) [06:57] @schedule berlin [06:57] Schedule for Europe/Berlin: 14 Jun 14:00: Edubuntu | 14 Jun 15:30: Xubuntu | 15 Jun 16:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 15 Jun 19:00: Documentation Team | 20 Jun 22:00: Technical Board | 21 Jun 15:30: Xubuntu [06:58] hi all === kwwii [n=kwwii@likes.smoking.more.than.watching.spacenight.dk] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === mornfall commits [06:59] so, i am yours === dfaure [n=dfaure@kde/dfaure] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [06:59] Moin dfaure [07:00] hi [07:00] hey dfaure [07:00] hey [07:00] 'lo [07:00] ervin, el, Sime, sebas, kwwii, aseigo and mornfall should be everyone [07:00] el! === ervin didn't notice el, shame on him [07:00] sebas! [07:00] :) [07:00] hello el =) [07:00] hehe, i've been here waiting for you for 2 hours already [07:00] hi ervin :) [07:00] Welcome to UTC el ;-) [07:00] mdz wanted a reminder too === sebas admits that he had been here as well 2 hours ago, if dfaure didn't note that. [07:01] not because i didn't know when it starts, sebas ;-) [07:01] so, has everyone booked travel? [07:01] el: Ah, bummer. [07:01] jupp [07:01] yep [07:01] Positive. [07:01] Riddell, would be nice if your meetings would show up on the fridge ... [07:01] I have, now we should just fight over who shares rooms :-) [07:01] sebas: are you going to paris? and when? [07:01] hopefully :-) ... although i don't know where i am supposed to get tickets (agent response pending) [07:02] how many people per room? [07:02] dammit.. sorry.. bRb [07:02] Sime: On sunday prior to the meeting, via Rotterdam by Thalis [07:02] Sime: And you? [07:02] mornfall: when did you talk to the travel agent?# [07:02] sebas: thursday. [07:03] Aye, I'll have to leave on friday around noon already, have to speak at a conference that weekend [07:03] Riddell: well, Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 09:47:11 +0100 is last echo, asking me if i can collect ticket from brno office of CSA, me acking, no response since [07:03] Sime: this thursday or next thursday? === Sime has a day job. [07:03] Riddell: next. [07:03] Riddell: i pinged today just in case [07:04] @now Prague [07:04] Current time in Europe/Prague: June 12 2006, 19:04:04 - Next meeting: Edubuntu in 1 day [07:04] hmm... what is going on now? [07:04] Sime: cool [07:04] mornfall: cool [07:04] jenda, i was wondering that too === aseigo [n=aseigo@kde/aseigo] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [07:04] jenda: secret KDE meeting [07:04] which is -like- the end of the world [07:04] sorry about tha tpeople [07:04] ah... that's it ;) === aseigo is back in black [07:05] *What* is like to EOW? [07:05] sebas: secret kde meeting [07:05] s/to/the [07:05] ha [07:05] btw, my birthday is on the 18th [07:05] although secret kde meeting is better [07:05] so, the summit, you should all know this isn't a conference it's a developers meeting [07:05] ack [07:05] the format is mostly sitting around tables in small groups discussing the specs [07:05] so seeing as i will be travelling to this little ubuntu swuare (sp) instead of staying home and getting properly trashed ... [07:06] it's quite strictly timetabled [07:06] aseigo: We'll take care of that trashing then. [07:06] sebas: brilliant. [07:06] off the timetable ;-) [07:06] aseigo, its not EOW, but if you rely on the fridge schedule that the room is free it can be a bit annoying if you want ot use the logging facilities here for a spontaneous meeting [07:06] Riddell: Are there schedules available already? [07:06] Riddell: yeah, i'm quite happy about htat [07:06] and anyone not up at 09:00 will be in deep trouble [07:06] sebas: no, not until the day before usually [07:06] And how much room for spontaneous "let's do this *now*" is there? [07:07] Riddell: 09:00 utc or cest? :o) [07:07] Riddell: 8... am? [07:07] Exactly ervin :-) [07:07] Paris time [07:07] err 8 [07:07] 9999 i mean, 9 [07:07] not 8, silly keyboard [07:07] Riddell, anyone not in the room where mark talks at 9:00 will be in deep trouble ... you need to be up earlier ;) [07:07] Riddell: and by "up" you mean "at the table ready to work" right? [07:07] up at 9am or ready at 9am ? (just to be sure it's clear to everyone) [07:07] ready at 9am as ogra says [07:08] Riddell: morning; I'm around if I can answer any questions [07:08] aseigo, present ... not looking like sleeping ;) === aseigo notes that even if his body is up his mind rarely is before 10:00 [07:08] Riddell, where can we see the schedule? [07:08] What exactly is "deep trouble"? [07:08] sebas: wet willies [07:08] Sent home with note to parents? [07:08] el: daily schedules arn't really ready until the day before [07:08] Ouch. [07:08] sebas, being locked in the cellar with water and bread indeed :) [07:08] Riddell, ah [07:08] isn't http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event the scedule? [07:08] Hm, ok. 9 is fine then. [07:08] dfaure: not for the conference [07:08] ah ic [07:08] dfaure, not for the paris summit [07:09] when will the schedule be made and who will make it? [07:09] don't worry about the early start, these places always have a great breakfast to get you going [07:09] ah...reading back, every day [07:09] kwwii, the management usually makes the schedule for the next day in the evening [07:09] kwwii: the schedule is made by the patent pending BoFicator that's built into launchpad [07:10] it gets published in the morning ... [07:10] Riddell: are the specs to be created from scratch there or are there a set of these we can look at before arriving from which we'll be working? [07:10] so... the specs [07:10] here's the ones I've registered https://launchpad.net/people/jr/+specs [07:10] the Undefined ones [07:10] and here's the ones everyone else has registered https://launchpad.net/sprints/uds-paris/+specs === ervin already picked his favorites there ;) [07:11] tango? [07:11] Riddell: and these are all 3.5 based issues correct? [07:11] aseigo: yes [07:11] well, maybe not xgl [07:11] I've no idea what will go into that [07:12] this one looks like the most difficult if we target 3.5 imho === aseigo notes that pauleta of portugal's celebration thing was pretty lame [07:12] is the 4 month schedule plan still in effect? [07:12] Riddell: what about all the art and themeing? should that go in there as well? [07:12] you should probably get an account on launchpad and Subscribe Yourself to any specs you want so the BoFicator will timetable you for those discussions === rikai [n=kitty@pool-72-65-105-100.ptldme.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [07:13] kwwii: there's kubuntu-icons, general art (wallpapers etc) hasn't needed a spec before since it's just "use whatever cool stuff turns up" [07:13] does it mean that no new specs will be created during the summit? [07:13] Riddell: hm... who all will be at the kubuntu tables? e.g. for the tango icon theme thing will holbach be there? [07:14] aseigo: if you Subscribe Yourself to the spec then the BoFicator will timetable you to be at that discussion [07:14] ervin, specs have to be registered before [07:14] ok [07:14] otherwise you can go to whatever table you like [07:14] Riddell: heh. oh boy. someone's going to try and schedule me? =) [07:14] ervin, the summit is only for discussing them in personal [07:15] that fact would have been nice to know in advance [07:15] Sounds like little room for new ideas [07:15] what's the average duration of such discussions on a spec? [07:15] Riddell, i can't see the kubuntu usability spec anywhere you sent me the link to [07:15] sebas: why? surely one can create a spec even during the meeting [07:16] Riddell: are the specs usually scheduled in clusters according to topic .. e.g. "tuesday is art day" [07:16] since it's boficated... I suppose it's not very flexible [07:16] I understood one couldn't [07:16] dfaure: ogra disagree with you iiuc [07:16] ervin: it's BoFicated every evening [07:16] el: that spec was considered too general, the feeling is we should only have more specific specs [07:16] Riddell: I meant how much time a spec is discussed? 1h, 2h? more? [07:17] ervin, well, i suppose there can be exceptions, but i havent seen that at any conf yet [07:17] el: so it's superceded with adept-usability, and if there's other areas we need to look at we can do that separately [07:17] ervin: 1 hour sessions I think [07:17] ervin: and if you run out time the BoFicator will schedule you another sessions for the next day === mornfall would probably like something more spontaneous... will there be free rooms off the timetable? [07:17] assuming it can fit you in [07:17] or maybe in the evening with some beer :-) [07:17] ok [07:18] mornfall, evenings are all free [07:18] mornfall: towards the end of the week there's less discussions and more time scheduled for people to proofread and even free time [07:18] so spontanious ideas can happen then [07:18] and of course there's meal times and evening [07:19] how much hacking time can i expect to have there? :) [07:19] Riddell: i do have a question regarding target audience ... is there going to be a general "getting oriented as to what kubuntu's goals are" for those of us who may not be overly familiar with that? [07:19] mornfall: none [07:19] in an ideal world, the adept-usability bof would be early on and one near the end where i have (some of it) implemented for review :) [07:19] Riddell: that's not much === eln [n=janus@u40-30.dsl.vianetworks.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [07:20] mornfall, you should prepare your stuff in advance [07:20] mornfall: obviously uou can subscribe yourself to no BoFs and sit in a corner and hack but the idea is to discuss stuff face to face === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [07:20] .... sorry, kde crashed [07:20] eln: what did you last see? [07:20] frozen, actually [07:20] that's ok, america is loosing in football as well [07:20] s,kde,x11, [07:20] Riddell: well, i did great pair hacking at debconf :) [07:20] no answer to my question, Riddell [07:20] kwwii: ssh ... i haven't watched that one yet =P [07:21] Riddell: anyhow, there aren't quite enough BoFs to fill all of the week, now, are there? i don't count those that are completely beyond me [07:21] eln: http://pastebin.com/704676 [07:21] Riddell: also when would be the best time to find some f-2-f with the canonical people regarding coordination opportunities between kde e.v. and them? [07:22] aseigo: good question, mdz will that be possible? [07:22] Riddell: thanks [07:22] Riddell: so if i create some more specific specs, can we still add them? [07:22] kwwii: with czech republic, yes ;-) [07:22] Riddell: i'm also curious as to how meal arrangements tend to work (food is always an issue for me ;) and what our broad objectives, if any, are beyond "plan edgy" [07:23] Riddell: for example going through the initial setup and making it smooth [07:23] eln: initial setup of what? [07:23] Additionally for "the Marketing Dude", specs don't seem to work. [07:23] Riddell: adept is the second on my list, [07:23] el: would that be covered by the default settings spec? [07:23] eln: would that be covered by the default settings spec? [07:23] I'd try to seek common ground between KDE promotion and Kubuntu promotion, how that fits in current activities ... === aseigo agrees with sebas [07:23] Riddell: you start kubuntu the first time, then want to configure your sound, printer, etc [07:23] we really do need some "business issue" time [07:24] sebas: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/kubuntu-marketing [07:24] so mostly kcontrol, but with a special regard to those first-time settings [07:24] eln: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/kubuntu-default-settings-review [07:24] Riddell: That's merely promotion === AngryElf1 [n=AngryElf@wsip-70-168-129-254.dc.dc.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [07:24] Riddell: if it's just us there for that spec it won't really be accomplishing what we hope and need to [07:25] Marketing goes far beyond that, it's about strategies, target groups, relationships [07:25] sebas: fix the spec description then? :) [07:25] sebas: as mornfall says [07:25] specs can accomodate lots of things [07:25] Riddell: I'll think about what can be added, wasn't aware of the whole setup 20 minutes ago :-) [07:25] aseigo: we'll poke sabdfl and management to make sure they're subscribed [07:25] Riddell: thanks =) [07:26] Riddell: not only defaults, also some modifications in kcontrol regarding information architecture and ui === dfaure wonders if the BoFicator takes into account travel dates, like me being there for only 24 hours [07:26] eln: system-settings you mean? [07:26] Riddell: are the non-undefined BoFs open for subscription too? [07:26] yes, Sime === jenda jumps in: Shouldn't marketing KDE and Kubuntu join with the marketing of Ubuntu in general? Mostly Ubuntu Morketing doesn't specialise on Gnome... [07:26] mornfall: yes [07:26] eln: instead of kcontrol. [07:26] mornfall: all the paris ones are https://launchpad.net/sprints/uds-paris/+specs [07:26] hehe, yes, Sime [07:27] jenda: preferable, yes [07:27] aseigo: we can schedule in a BOF session to do exactly that [07:27] aseigo: the easiest way to get it done would be to register it as a spec in blueprint and propose it for Paris [07:27] there would be need of figuring out how to improve the marketing of kubuntu...in several regards it is quite unclear where it is going [07:27] aseigo: we would write up a summary / minutes rather than a spec [07:28] eln: so a spec to tidy up various kcontrol modules? === aseigo ponders if there is any desktop interop topics on the table somewhere [07:28] aseigo: didn't see one, but I might have missed it [07:28] aseigo: there is a wine+kde SoC project running right now. [07:28] Riddell: yes - especially the ones that are important after first startup [07:29] eln: sounds good, go ahead and register it [07:29] https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+addspec [07:29] Riddell: ok [07:29] eln: and make sure to add to the meeting [07:30] mdz: ok ... i believe i have a launchpad account. but i'm nearly innocent when it comes to doing this whole spec thing ... would it make more sense to have someone closer to the marketing group already established within ubuntu to file it? [07:30] dfaure: it doesn't take into account travel dates, that's done manually [07:30] :( [07:30] aseigo: Riddell can assist with that [07:30] Riddell: to add to which meeting? [07:31] eln: after you create the spec you need to Add to Meeting and select Paris Summit [07:31] ah, ok [07:31] thanks [07:31] any questions? [07:32] excellent :) [07:32] I suppose a discussion regarding release processes of kubuntu and kde is a no-no? [07:32] ... [07:32] (how to make them match better, etc.) [07:33] (I guess dfaure would have to be here though) [07:33] ervin: if you think there's something we can discuss sure [07:33] aseigo: (btw, I was responding to your earlier inquiry about coordination with kde e.v.) [07:33] https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuMarketing#preview Here's a couple of very rough additions [07:33] ervin: => friday [07:33] mdz: yes =) [07:34] Riddell: ok [07:34] dfaure: what day are you coming? [07:34] Friday [07:34] (well I'll be there Thursday evening) [07:34] so... how can i get an overview of "things i am subscribed to" from launchpad? [07:34] is there a meeting atm? i can't see anything in fridge. [07:34] mornfall: https://launchpad.net/people/jr/+specs?role=subscriber [07:35] highvoltage: yes, it's super sekret [07:35] dfaure: well, that's just an idea, you've a better inside view than me to know if it could be useful to discuss this [07:35] Riddell: oooh [07:35] Riddell: hmm, gives bogus list [07:35] ervin: historically, kde has always "released when it's ready" rather than "when it's best for distribution xyz". That's just common sense, given how many distros there are... [07:36] aha [07:36] Riddell: sry, that's your list :] [07:36] Riddell: correction: it gives no list [07:36] mornfall: are you subscribed to any? [07:36] dfaure: Practically, KDE has never missed the planned release date, right? [07:36] Riddell: sure i am [07:37] dfaure: sure, but that maybe would make sense to go toward a time based release schedule [07:37] OTOH, Ubuntu has fixed release schedules, and Dapper is only 2 months "behind" [07:37] sebas: it has - so? [07:37] dfaure: The point being that the difference isn't all that big [07:37] kwwii: tango-icon-theme is an old spec from the last meeting [07:38] And that not being able to release is often a problem of manpower, which can be fixed if there are people with resources who really want it 'ready'. [07:38] launchpad officially hates me [07:38] Riddell: I noticed that the ubuntu-artwork peeps are talking about it too, that is why I asked === _dfaure [n=dfaure@81.56.143.51] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [07:39] <_dfaure> sebas: sorry, missed your answer if any [07:39] Riddell: from what I have heard until now, there is very little interest in the community in using it though [07:39] kwwii: as I remember that's exactly the conclusion that came out of that spec [07:40] mornfall: you're not subscribed to anything according to https://launchpad.net/people/mornfall/+specs [07:40] mornfall: you need to click "Subscribe Yourself" and the Subscribe button after that for a spec [07:41] Riddell: yes, but look at eg. adept-usability: i am in subscriber list there [07:41] ow! === mvo_ [n=egon@p54A67785.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [07:41] i have two distinct launchpad users [07:42] with same screen name? interesting :) [07:42] mornfall: ah, what fun. somewhere you can ask for those accounts to be merged then [07:43] aseigo: does the meeting need to talk in private about stuff? [07:44] hmm, no aseigo [07:45] ok, meeting over I guess then [07:46] aseigo, eln: let me know if you need help creating those specs [07:46] mornfall: keep poking that travel agent [07:47] Riddell: still struggling through it all [07:47] eln: where are you at? [07:47] just created a wiki page based on your kubuntu-usability template [07:49] I should say we'll also be having short lightning talks each morning, so if you have something cool to talk about (openusability as a random example) there's a space for that === aseigo_home [n=aseigo@S0106001346471bcf.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [07:49] as, aseigo_home [07:49] eln: usability feedback about the extra modules in systemsettings, is also welcome :) [07:49] eln: do you know mpt, the canonical usability guy? [07:49] sorry about that. a recent ubuntu kernel update has rendered my wifi unstable. huzzah. [07:49] Riddell: that sounds good [07:50] Riddell: no, don't know him. [07:50] so i have 9 subscribed specs -- which is about it [07:50] (which means both my ethernet (sky2) and wifi are not rock solid. though wifi is only a couple times a week) [07:50] Riddell: if you can think of anything besides https://launchpad.net/people/me-mornfall/+specs?role=subscriber that i should look at, please hint :) [07:51] -1 (8 actually, kubuntu-katapult not paris-scheduled) [07:51] Sime: yeah, see how much we get accomplished :) [07:51] mornfall: looks like plenty [07:52] Riddell: after i got dumped but before i noticed ;) i asked about whether it makes any sense to look at institutional deployment readyness of kubuntu [07:52] Riddell: particularly the set up of things such as kiosk profiles and printing [07:52] Riddell: that's ~2h a day, using default metric === aseigo notes that christiano ronaldo of portugal is a bit of a prima dona (aka "whiney bitch") [07:52] eln: ah, mpt isn't coming to the conference [07:53] Riddell: i'll try to contact him beforehand. do you have an email address? [07:53] eln: https://launchpad.net/people/mpt [07:53] great, thanks === AngryElf1 [n=AngryElf@wsip-70-168-129-254.dc.dc.cox.net] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Leaving"] [07:54] aseigo: that sounds quite general [07:54] Riddell: subscribing to 9 specs is too much? [07:55] aseigo: I've not checked but there may well be a spec for printing [07:55] (wondering on your reply to mornfall) [07:55] aseigo: shipping with default kiosk profiles would be an intesting spec to have [07:55] ervin: not too many, not too little [07:55] take as many as you want [07:56] so what is the programme, besides spec-based BoFs? [07:56] Riddell: of course, but since you said it average to 1h time slots... it would average to 9h, doesn't look like lot of time for a full week [07:56] ervin: how long are you staying? till the end? [07:56] yep [07:56] mornfall, falling dead in the evening after 12h speccing discussions and having a big party at the end :) [07:56] Riddell: ok. more specific: examine kiosk (kiosktool and default profiles available) [07:57] mornfall: that's about it, if you end up with unscheduled time I'm sure you can fill it with useful stuff easily enough [07:57] aseigo: cool, do it [07:57] aseigo: ping me if you create this one, I'm interested [07:57] Riddell: i see there's a printing spec there, though it's specifically about sharing printers ... though i suppose that's the extent of issues right now there === Spec prints [07:58] aseigo: current printing problems are mostly bugs and packaging issues, you don't need a spec for that [07:58] Riddell: a spec needs a url? [07:58] okey, that could be ninth (kiosk) [07:58] Riddell: or is that optional? [07:58] Spec: lol [07:58] aseigo: yes, link to https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuMySpec [07:58] a spec needs a url to the wiki [07:58] then create a page there using the SpecTemplate [07:58] wikipage of that spec, that is [08:00] hopefully everyone has found https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UbuntuDeveloperSummitParis [08:00] which has the directions [08:01] Riddell: how much info needs to be on that url? [08:02] aseigo: create the page with the SpecTemplate and put your notes and thoughts at the bottom [08:02] aseigo: and we use that page to write the spec [08:03] you may also want to try out gobby/mateedit, we used those a lot at the last conference === mgalvin_ [n=mgalvin@rrcs-24-39-194-210.nys.biz.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [08:04] Riddell: definition status ... braindump or?? [08:04] braindump for now [08:04] ok [08:05] aseigo, sebas: what about the kubuntu-marketing spec I see none of you subscribed there? [08:05] that lets the BoFicator know it needs a slot in the timetable for discussion [08:05] ervin: i haven't subscribed to any specs yet. [08:05] Hm, I still need to grok that launchpad system :-) [08:05] sebas: you and me both [08:05] ok, I'm subscribing there =) [08:06] to be honest, i find getting up to speed with this sprocess as a non-kubuntu-developer/canonical-employ to be rather non-trivial [08:06] kwwii: :-) [08:06] not sure I'll be that helpful there, but that's definitely a topic I'd like to work on [08:06] aseigo: agreed [08:06] aseigo: hmm I didn't really have a problem with it... [08:06] so what about the room allocation fight someone promised at the start of the meeting? ;-) [08:06] aseigo: non-trivial, but not that difficult either ;) [08:06] aseigo: that's why you asked for the meeting :) [08:07] yes, not difficult. just lots of details and customs to learn [08:07] Riddell: indeed === ervin wants to share his room with dfaure for the whole week =) [08:07] Hehehe [08:07] ervin: dfaure is staying whole week? :) === sebas with Sime then :> [08:07] mornfall: nope, that's the idea ;) [08:07] ervin: so, like, coming to the South for most days except thursday evening? :-) [08:08] sebas: you going back on the saturday? [08:08] :] [08:08] dfaure: well, better stay at home then :p [08:08] Sime: On friday already [08:08] conference in germany === el [n=konversa@u40-30.dsl.vianetworks.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [08:08] sebas: oh [08:08]