[12:03] <ryanakca> kk
[12:03] <ryanakca> that guide is pretty good :)
[12:04] <crimsun_> nthdegree_: use the appropriate section as listed in http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-archive.html#s-subsections
[12:12] <ryanakca> ok, I get this error http://pastebin.ca/64569 when running debuild -S while following http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/basic-debhelper.html
[12:13] <nthdegree_> is it a gpg error, a psychic guess :p
[12:13] <ryanakca> lol, I know that...
[12:13] <ryanakca> just wondering if anybody here had the same problem...
[12:13] <nthdegree_> ryanakca so sudo apt-get install gnupg gpg-agent
[12:13] <nthdegree_> i did ryanakca
[12:13] <ryanakca> "debsign: gpg error occurred!  Aborting...."
[12:13] <nthdegree_> i know
[12:14] <ryanakca> that kinda gives it away, eh?
[12:14] <ryanakca> lol
[12:14] <nthdegree_> because you need gpg-agent and to make a gpg key
[12:14] <ryanakca> E: Couldn't find package gpg-agent
[12:14] <ryanakca> I allready have a gpg key
[12:14] <nthdegree_> did you put a comment?
[12:14] <ryanakca> comment?
[12:15] <nthdegree_> yeah when you made your gpg key
[12:15] <ryanakca> no
[12:15] <nthdegree_> then you should be fine
[12:15] <ryanakca> I don't think so... that was what... 4 months ago.. I'll check in kgpg
[12:15] <ryanakca> no comment :)
[12:16] <nthdegree_> you need the universe repo and gpg-agent also if there us a password on the secret/private key
[12:16] <nthdegree_> is*
[12:16] <nthdegree_> here this is what i used to help me through that annoying problem https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GnuPrivacyGuardHowto?action=show&redirect=GPGKey
[12:17] <ryanakca> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper universe multiverse         in /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:17] <nthdegree_> then you should be able to get gpg-agent through synaptic
[12:18] <LaserJock> I don't have gpg-agent
[12:18] <LaserJock> and I don't think I've ever had a problem debsiging
[12:19] <crimsun_> I don't have gnupg-agent installed, nor have I had a problem debsigning.
[12:19] <nthdegree_> crimsun well the wiki mentions gpg-agent and that was the only way round it for me
[12:19] <nthdegree_> plus not having a comment :)
[12:21] <ryanakca> nthdegree_: no such package... gpg-agent: http://pastebin.ca/64580
[12:21] <nthdegree_> you need to be root for apt-get
[12:21] <ryanakca> however, I DO have gnupg
[12:22] <ryanakca> ... nthdegree.... read it... "aptitude search"
[12:22] <nthdegree_> same for aptitude
[12:22] <crimsun_> there is no 'gpg-agent' package.
[12:22] <ryanakca> and I DO have gnupg-agent
[12:22] <ryanakca> nthdegree_: you do NOT need to be root for aptitude search OR apt-get search
[12:22] <ryanakca> I mean apt-cache search
[12:23] <ryanakca> sorry
[12:23] <nthdegree_> you need to export your key id then maybe
[12:23] <ryanakca> why would that have anything to do with it? exporting it to a keyserver...
[12:23] <nthdegree_> not to a keyserver
[12:23] <ryanakca> its a local problem, not remote
[12:24] <nthdegree_> e.g. export GPGKEY=D8FC66D2
[12:24] <ryanakca> done that.
[12:24] <crimsun_> ryanakca: why don't you just explicitly pass -kE95EDDC9 ?
[12:24] <\sh> re
[12:24] <nthdegree_> you resourced the bash rc
[12:24] <crimsun_> ryanakca: are you even sure 0xE95EDDC9 is the correct one?
[12:24] <nthdegree_> re-sourced*
[12:24] <ryanakca> pub   1024D/E95EDDC9 2006-02-22
[12:24] <ryanakca> uid                  Ryan Kavanagh <ryanakca@gmail.com>
[12:25] <ryanakca> wonderfull
[12:25] <crimsun_> eh, it's not like you weren't being spammed anyway.
[12:25] <nthdegree_> would be export GPGKEY=E95EDDC9 in your .bashrc
[12:25] <ryanakca> I wasn't
[12:25] <ryanakca> nthdegree_: its allready there
[12:25] <crimsun_> ryanakca: you mean you weren't /aware/ of being spammed.
[12:26] <crimsun_> anyhow
[12:26] <ryanakca> lol
[12:26] <ryanakca> well... 2 spam messages in Spam folder/label.. so I'm happy... gmail probably blocks most of the junk
[12:26] <LaserJock> crimsun_: you run Opera?
[12:26] <\sh> real cracks have more then one email address ;)
[12:26] <nthdegree_> *cough* gpg: problem with the agent - disabling agent use *cough*
[12:26] <nthdegree_> gpg: problem with the agent - disabling agent use *coughs*
[12:27] <crimsun_> LaserJock: I have, yes, but presently epiphany-browser from -updates
[12:27] <nthdegree_> so the agent may be the problem as it is needed for passwords i think
[12:27] <LaserJock> crimsun_: did you just install it from the Opera download site? Interestingly I was just moving from epiphany to Opera :-)
[12:28] <LaserJock> I see they have a Breezy download
[12:28] <crimsun_> LaserJock: I had Opera 9 beta 2 installed using the Debian Etch/testing version.
[12:28] <ryanakca> nthdegree_: no... it isn't... gnupg-agent just stores the passphrase for 5 minutes.. or however long you want it to. so that you don't allways have to retype it...
[12:28] <crimsun_> LaserJock: you'll need the xlibs from Breezy.
[12:28] <LaserJock> :/
[12:28] <crimsun_> xlibs is empty/transitional. No harm.
[12:29] <LaserJock> but for 9b2 the etch version worked on Dapper?
[12:29] <crimsun_> yes.
[12:30] <crimsun_> I verified two minutes ago.
[12:30] <LaserJock> k, good enough for me
[12:30] <crimsun_> again, you need xlibs from Breezy.
[12:30] <nthdegree_> ryanakca is your key just a DSA key? no ElGamal or w/e
[12:30] <LaserJock> epiphany just bugs me sometimes, so I need to have a second brower :-)
[12:30] <nthdegree_> normally a key is 2048 bits and uses RSA + ElGamal
[12:31] <LaserJock> I wonder if the Unstable Opera would work better
[12:31] <crimsun_> LaserJock: arguably the drop-down location bar/menu behaviour in epiphany-browser is A Good Thing.
[12:31] <LaserJock> very arguable
[12:31] <LaserJock> I depend a lot on being able to modify a URL that is in the location bar
[12:31] <crimsun_> well from a usability perspective, if I click on a URI, I want to view it, not edit it.
[12:32] <nthdegree_> can someone help ryanakca please :) i'm a tard and don't seem to know enough to recify the problem
[12:32] <crimsun_> ryanakca: uninstall gnupg-agent.
[12:32] <ryanakca> hmmm... DSA + ElGama subkey
[12:32] <\sh> what's the problem with gnupg-agent?
[12:32] <crimsun_> re \sh
[12:32] <crimsun_> (sorry, got lost in the scrollback)
[12:32] <nthdegree_> http://pastebin.ca/64569
[12:32] <nthdegree_> look @ that
[12:33] <ryanakca> nthdegree_: thanks for effort/help... gnupg article was good
[12:33] <\sh> aha
[12:33] <\sh> gpg-agent added to /etc/X11/Xsession.options ?
[12:33] <LaserJock> crimsun_: I'm used to at least being able to hit the right arrow to be able to edit the URL
[12:34] <crimsun_> LaserJock: broken historical behaviour imo
[12:34] <ryanakca> \sh: nope :)
[12:34] <LaserJock> crimsun_: I'm all ears for a better way
[12:34] <\sh> ryanakca: try it and restart your xsession
[12:34] <ryanakca> \sh: what do I add? "gpg-agent"? "use-gpg-agent"?
[12:35] <crimsun_> LaserJock: "better" depends on your habits, no? I'd say what e-b does /is/ better, not to mention "correct."
[12:35] <\sh> gpg-agent only
[12:35] <ryanakca> kk
[12:35] <LaserJock> crimsun_: so just go to a site I don't want to go to just grab part of the URL? that's very annoying for LP and wiki
[12:36] <crimsun_> LaserJock: if you subscribe to the "bookmark" paradigm, it makes more sense to just bookmark those urls for which you need "part"
[12:37] <LaserJock> hmm, that seems a little inefficent, but ok
[12:37] <crimsun_> LaserJock: why, do you find yourself visiting many /new/ URLs based on the same base?
[12:38] <LaserJock> yes
[12:38] <LaserJock> LP
[12:38] <LaserJock> sometimes I want to tack on a +bugs
[12:38] <LaserJock> or want +source/<something>
[12:38] <crimsun_> that's scriptable
[12:38] <LaserJock> I can do it really easy by editing places I've already been
[12:39] <ryanakca> brb, restarting xsession...
[12:41] <LaserJock> packages.qa.debian.org is another I use a lot, I'm not sure how the bookmark thing would work for that, I'll have to think about it
[12:41] <LaserJock> I can see what your saying about usability though
[12:41] <LaserJock> I'm just not sure how to do the things I want without using the "wrong" way
[12:42] <crimsun_> this seems prime for a (deskbar?) script
[12:42] <crimsun_> ala +bugs 1
[12:42] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 1 in Baltix "Microsoft has a majority market share" [High,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/1
[12:42] <LaserJock> hehe, that too ;-)
[12:42] <crimsun_> or +sources 1
[12:42] <LaserJock> hmmm
[12:45] <LaserJock> ok, well maybe I'll give epi another chance ;-)
[12:46] <crimsun_> use whatever is most efficient
[12:47] <ajmitch> morning all
[12:47] <LaserJock> well, I do like epiphany except these couple things, but maybe I just need to do things the "right" way
[12:47] <\sh> moins ajmitch
[12:49] <LaserJock> hi ajmitch and \sh
[12:53] <\sh> ryanakca: ah welcome back...now install pinentry-gtk or pinentry-kde whatever you like more
[12:54] <nthdegree_> i made my package :D but where is it?
[12:54] <crimsun_> in ../
[12:54] <LaserJock> hmmm, when was the -proposed repo announced?
[12:54] <crimsun_> or one level above the root of the extracted source
[12:55] <crimsun_> LaserJock: it wasn't.
[12:55] <nthdegree_> nope i can't see it
[12:55] <nthdegree_> but it did make it
[12:55] <crimsun_> oh, pbuilder?
[12:55] <nthdegree_> yes
[12:55] <nthdegree_> pbuilder
[12:55] <crimsun_> /var/cache/pbuilder/result/  unless you changed it.
[12:55] <nthdegree_> ty
[12:55] <ryanakca> \sh: ty, pinentry-qt installed :)
[12:56] <nthdegree_> now how do I send it off to the universe :)
[12:57] <nthdegree_> oh 1st of all testing
[12:58] <nthdegree_> it works
[12:58] <nthdegree_> sort of, it has all the bugs that are naturally in it but it works :D
[12:58] <LaserJock> crimsun_: do you know anything about the -proposed repo? can Universe packages be added?
[12:59] <crimsun_> LaserJock: like a dumping ground for -updates
[12:59] <ryanakca> \sh: now what?
[12:59] <\sh> ryanakca: try to debsign your package
[01:00] <ryanakca> \sh: http://pastebin.ca/64595
[01:01] <nthdegree_> \sh how do i get my package etc. submitted
[01:01] <\sh> ryanakca: pastebin your changelog pls
[01:01] <\sh> nthdegree_: dput
[01:02] <\sh> nthdegree_: and read on wiki something about how to upload to revu
[01:03] <ryanakca> \sh: http://pastebin.ca/64599     its just a practice package, btw...
[01:03] <LaserJock> nthdegree_: wiki.ubuntu.com/REVU
[01:03] <rob> hi
[01:04] <rob> I'm guessing there is quite a backlog on revu?
[01:04] <gilligan_> hello
[01:04] <crimsun_> rob: very much.
[01:04] <ryanakca> \sh: I'm following http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/basic-debhelper.html
[01:04] <rob> cool
[01:04] <ajmitch> rob: yes there is
[01:04] <rob> what order are the packages listed in on revu?
[01:05] <\sh> ryanakca: and use-agent in gpg.conf is disabled?
[01:05] <gilligan_> I have a question regarding external module compilation. Only info I could find was https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ModuleBuilding -- which does not provide a lot of info -- I hope I won't be kicked out right away sending me off to #ubuntu.. :)
[01:06] <crimsun_> well, it /is/ a #ubuntu question...
[01:06] <gilligan_> well it's dev related and i've had no luck so far on #ubuntu when asking for it
[01:07] <ryanakca> \sh: dunno, sorry, got to go have supper, I'll check later, see you then (hopefully)
[01:07] <LaserJock> rob: by date and by kind (totally new package or an update/fix) I think
[01:07] <LaserJock> rob: althought they might have added sorting by number of advocates too
[01:07] <\sh> gilligan_: as well #ubuntu, because this and -devel is about developing ubuntu and not developing with ubuntu :)
[01:07] <rob> LaserJock, it felt kind of random
[01:08] <\sh> gilligan_: but module-assistant is your friend, just in case the module is in universe or main
[01:08] <nthdegree_> gpg: no valid OpenPGP data found.  gpg: the signature could not be verified. < can someone explain
[01:08] <nthdegree_> this is for dput btw
[01:08] <\sh> no gpg key, wrong changelog address
[01:09] <gilligan_> \sh, it certainly isn't. It's some experimental file stacking stuff that I am dealing with for my bachelor diploma
[01:09] <nthdegree_> I dared not to touch the changelog I got an error everytime i touched it
[01:09] <gilligan_> \sh, unfortunately things have changed since I last compiled a kernel which was around 2.4.xyz :] 
[01:09] <\sh> gilligan_: oh then most likely the people from #breakmyubuntu can help ;)
[01:09] <\sh> if there are any
[01:09] <gilligan_> lol
[01:09] <gilligan_> :] 
[01:09] <crimsun_> gilligan_: (to avoid dragging this out further, can you pastebin the command{,s} you invoked and the error{,s}?
[01:10] <crimsun_> )
[01:10] <nthdegree_> \sh,  what do I have to do because I keep breaking my changelog
[01:10] <LaserJock> rob: it isn't but it feels that way, REVU2 should have a better layout
[01:10] <\sh> nthdegree_: work with dch and set in .bashrc those variables
[01:10] <\sh> DEBFULLNAME="Stephan Hermann"
[01:10] <\sh> DEBEMAIL="sh@sourcecode.de"
[01:10] <\sh> EDITOR="vim"
[01:10] <\sh> export DEBFULLNAME DEBEMAIL EDITOR
[01:11] <rob> I thought Arch Linux's AUR web site (similar idea) has a reasonably good layout
[01:11] <\sh> adjust debfullname and debemail to your correct values...and check that your used email address is added as uid to your gpg key
[01:11] <\sh> (forget the $EDITOR)
[01:15] <gilligan_> crimsun_, http://gilligan.neuecouch.de/bla.txt <-- not much to see there.. but you get the idea of my problem -- I intalled the appropriate kernel source package .. I thought make oldconfig would create the relevant files such as modversions etc
[01:15] <ajmitch> gilligan_: install the appropriate linux-headers package instead
[01:15] <nthdegree_> i have Martyn Hare <martyn.hare@tiscali.co.uk> as my GPG bits
[01:16] <gilligan_> ajmitch, that does not change anything
[01:17] <ajmitch> it should, since that's where the headers you're looking for are kept :)
[01:17] <ajmitch> hm, sounds like a fair chunk of NZ lost power during the night
[01:17] <ajmitch> how interesting
[01:17] <gilligan_> ajmitch, well I installed linux-headers-2.6.15-23 .. but that does *not* have modversions.h either
[01:18] <crimsun_> gilligan_: you're missing -arch
[01:18] <crimsun_> linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[01:18] <ajmitch> linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[01:18] <gilligan_> *ouch*
[01:19] <crimsun_> (or perhaps it's sat)
[01:19] <zul> hey ajmitch
[01:19] <ajmitch> (monday morning)
[01:19] <ajmitch> hey zul
[01:19] <zul> how is it going?
[01:19] <gilligan_> crimsun_, ok..so /that/ solves the whole issue hehe
[01:19] <crimsun_> (hehe, meaning satellite ;)
[01:19] <ajmitch> crimsun_: cable, actually
[01:19] <crimsun_> gilligan_: right, you rarely need kernel-source
[01:20] <crimsun_> ajmitch: ah
[01:21] <gilligan_> crimsun_, I was wondering about that yes.. but as I didn't realize about headers-arch I thought 'hm..darn..well maybe I have to get the sources then'
[01:21] <gilligan_> well thanks for the help despite the fact that I belong in #ubuntu :] 
[01:21] <gilligan_> i'll shut up now hehe
[01:29] <gilligan_> still won't work..sigh
[01:31] <nthdegree_> someone have a look at this http://ubuntu.pastebin.ca/64611 what is up with it?
[01:32] <crimsun_> #1. incorrect version. #2. incorrect distribution.
[01:32] <nthdegree_> parsechangelog/debian: error: badly formatted trailer line, at changelog line 5
[01:32] <nthdegree_> dch: fatal error at line 387:
[01:33] <crimsun_> and yes, #3. lines 5-6 need to be one unbroken line.
[01:36] <\sh> nthdegree_: didn't you use dh_make in the first place?
[01:36] <nthdegree_> i did
[01:37] <\sh> dch should work then...until you broke the changelog badly like crimsun said
[01:38] <nthdegree_> \sh what debuild bits do I need?
[01:38] <crimsun_> #1 and #2 aren't really important to dch, but #3 definitely is.
[01:38] <nthdegree_> i fixed 3
[01:38] <nthdegree_> how do you use dch?
[01:38] <\sh> nthdegree_: 1. man dch :)
[01:39] <nthdegree_> the changelog is fine
[01:40] <nthdegree_> it just wont dput :(
[01:40] <\sh> nthdegree_: dch -i for version increase, dch -D dapper for setting distro to name dapper etc.
[01:40] <\sh> nthdegree_: what are you trying to dput? .dsc file from a source package?
[01:40] <nthdegree_> oh you use dput on that :$
[01:40] <nthdegree_> so you don't do the change file
[01:41] <\sh> nthdegree_: you dput the changes file ;) yes... but I wonder what's missing at your place
[01:42] <nthdegree_> i think it is a .asc sor something
[01:42] <nthdegree_> or*
[01:43] <ryanakca> \sh: there is the line "use-agent" in ~/.gnupg/gpg.conf
[01:44] <nthdegree_> #use-agent there is
[01:44] <nthdegree_> it is commented out
[01:45] <nthdegree_> but the agent works fine :)
[01:46] <\sh> ryanakca: and it's commented out?
[01:46] <nthdegree_> dpkg-parsechangelog: warning: no utmp entry available and LOGNAME not defined; using uid of process (1234)
[01:46] <nthdegree_> that of any help?
[01:46] <nthdegree_> qtella_0.6.5-1_amd64.changes  qtella_0.6.5-1.diff.gz  qtella_0.6.5.orig.tar.gz
[01:46] <nthdegree_> qtella_0.6.5-1_amd64.deb      qtella_0.6.5-1.dsc
[01:46] <ryanakca> \sh: no
[01:46] <nthdegree_> that's what I end up with :)
[01:47] <\sh> ryanakca: comment it out ...put a # in front of the line
[01:47] <ryanakca> \sh: done
[01:48] <\sh> nthdegree_: that's just normal pbuilder chroot complain :=
[01:49] <nthdegree_> gpg: no valid OpenPGP data found. \n gpg: the signature could not be verified.\n Please remember that the signature file (.sig or .asc)
[01:49] <ryanakca> YAY! it works!
[01:49] <nthdegree_> ryanakca wait for the dependency hell and config changes 24/7
[01:49] <\sh> nthdegree_: debuild -S -sa in the debianized source tree and sign the package first and say it will be a orig source included upload
[01:50] <ryanakca> nthdegree_: ???
[01:50] <ryanakca> meaning what?
[01:50] <nthdegree_> ryanakca the pbuild doesn't always get the dependencies needed for the software, i had to do it like 5 times over
[01:51] <nthdegree_> so \sh in /home/nthdegree/qtella-0.6.5 then?
[01:51] <\sh> nthdegree_: yes
[01:53] <nthdegree_> then after that do sudo pbuilder build ../*.dsc?
[01:53] <\sh> nthdegree_: yes
[01:54] <nthdegree_> that is what I have been doing :>
[01:54] <\sh> nthdegree_: or you know that it will build out of the box and you can forget the pbuilder call...just debuild -S -sa (means sign and source upload) and dput changes file
[01:55] <nthdegree_> it works
[02:01] <LaserJock> dia looks nice, but you can't tell the dimensions of objects, that I can see
[02:01] <bmonty> LaserJock: if you find one, I'd like to know about it
[02:01] <nthdegree_> \sh so does the .deb ever get uploaded :|
[02:02] <\sh> nthdegree_: to revu no..to our buildds n
[02:02] <\sh> o
[02:02] <\sh> we just do source uploads
[02:02] <\sh> no binary uploads like debian has
[02:02] <nthdegree_> oh lol
[02:02] <nthdegree_> i found that so heavily confusing
[02:03] <nthdegree_> so how does it ever end up in the repo as a binary :-S
[02:04] <\sh> nthdegree_: you upload the source, then a buildd is coming along and picks up the source, and compiles it, and pushes the binaries to the archives
[02:04] <\sh> nthdegree_: all this magic is in launchpad nowadays
[02:04] <LaserJock> bmonty: well, I've been using xfig for ages, but it appears that they got rid of most of the decimal places in Imperial (and it is buggy and out of date)
[02:04] <\sh> nthdegree_: for ubuntu that is, debian is still using DAK ;)
[02:05] <nthdegree_> hmmmmmmm ok :)
[02:06] <nthdegree_> my gpg key is fresh so what do I do with it now so it is recognised as a known one?
[02:07] <\sh> nthdegree_: find a debian maintainer or an ubuntu dev or member and get your key signed
[02:07] <\sh> go to keysigning parties around your place
[02:07] <\sh> or host one
[02:08] <\sh> check http://www.biglumber.com/ for people around your area ready for keysigning
[02:08] <nthdegree_> i mean for getting my key on the keyserver or does it need signing for that
[02:09] <\sh> nthdegree_: no..for pushing your key to the keyserver it's just a gpg --send-key <your key id> away
[02:09] <\sh> nthdegree_: but to go the way of a motu with upload rights, you need to have your key signed by someone in the strongset
[02:10] <\sh> nthdegree_: where do you come from_
[02:10] <\sh> ?
[02:10] <nthdegree_> peterborough, cambridgeshire (England)
[02:11] <\sh> england...there are some people from debian I think
[02:12] <\sh> or other devs from the OSS world
[02:12] <\sh> just check biglumber
[02:12] <nthdegree_> closest is cambridge, i'll just have to wait till I start work properly :) get a car and go drive down
[02:14] <\sh> nthdegree_: or if you have time visit the UbuntuDeveloperSummit in Paris...you will be thrilled to meet all the ubuntu cracks
[02:14] <nthdegree_> i'd be closer to getting to germany and LinuxTag
[02:14] <nthdegree_> I go every couple of years to germany :D
[02:14] <\sh> nthdegree_: and sign some keys with them...and you are in the strongset yourself ;)
[02:14] <\sh> nthdegree_: linuxtag just past ...
[02:16] <nthdegree_> what is the difference anyway between getting in the strongset and just being mr unsigned? because you can still send off your packages etc.
[02:16] <\sh> nthdegree_: in november there is linuxworldexpo in cologne...kubuntu.de is preparing a booth there..so just come to us :) I'll be there and amu and some other people known in the debian/ubuntu universe and if you get amu to sign your key..he is top 7
[02:16] <\sh> nthdegree_: the web of trust...If someone from strongset knows you, others can see, that you are not still a fake
[02:18] <nthdegree_> that makes sense :) just take my passport and I should be fine with any luck
[02:18] <\sh> nthdegree_: e.g. I know ogra and ogra knows me, so he signed my key, and I signed his key, now I will meet crimsun, and he checks my id etc. but he still doesn't believe me, that I am...so he can check my signatures, sees that ogra signed my key already, and somehow, ogra signed crimsuns key and vice versa, so he trusts ogra and therefore he can trust me
[02:19] <LaserJock> I hope to get lots of signatures in Paris
[02:20] <LaserJock> since I only managed to find 1 person to sign my key
[02:20] <\sh> LaserJock: get kinnison to prepare a keysigning party :) he did it very well for UBZ
[02:21] <nthdegree_> oh one question before I forget, how do I backup my private and public keys (I reformat a lot)
[02:22] <\sh> nthdegree_: on a usb stick, use smartcards, cd-r, whatever you use for backing up
[02:22] <Erlang> I wish UBZ was this year.
[02:22] <\sh> Erlang: too late ;)
[02:22] <nthdegree_> yes but what do i copy? and is there any extra commands I may have to run?
[02:22] <Erlang> I got into Ubuntu 1 year too late.
[02:22] <Ubugtu> Ubuntu bug 1 in openssl "openssl: Expired certificates and recertification" [Normal,Resolved: notwarty]  http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1
[02:22] <\sh> Erlang: but jbailey is still in montreal...
[02:23] <\sh> nthdegree_: ~/.gnupg
[02:23] <crimsun_> as is sfflaw, no?
[02:23] <\sh> crimsun_: should be
[02:23] <\sh> and hub is as well in .ca
[02:23] <nthdegree_> oops :$ I had 5 attempts at making keys so that's gonna be a lot of junk data
[02:24] <nthdegree_> or can it only store 1 key
[02:25] <\sh> nthdegree_: clean your mess :) now it's time to start over :) no one ever knows anything about your key right now
[02:26] <nthdegree_> doh, think i'll have to re upload the qtella afterwards
[02:26] <nthdegree_> but isn't there a way to export your private or secret key?
[02:27] <Erlang> there is Simon Law in Montreal too...
[02:28] <ryanakca> in the Maintainer field, do I put My name, or do I put the name of the guy who wrote the program... nobody has made a package of it yet...
[02:29] <nthdegree_> your name :)
[02:29] <\sh> Erlang: sfflaw yes :)
[02:30] <Erlang> oh
[02:31] <hub> Erlang: I'm in Ottawa now
[02:31] <hub> Erlang: actually Hull
[02:32] <hub> different province, accross the river
[02:32] <Erlang> cool cool
[02:32] <Erlang> i'm in Sherbrooke
[02:32] <hub> used to be in Montreal
[02:32] <Erlang> I'm in Sherbrooke, and here to stay.
[02:32] <Kyral> Hehe I met Simon at UBZ
[02:33] <ryanakca> nthdegree_: kk, ty
[02:33] <hub> Kyral: did we meet too?
[02:33] <Kyral> hub: Yah I think so
[02:33] <hub> Kyral: we didn't sign keys
[02:33] <Kyral> I was one of the people from Potsdam that wasn't Russ Nelson ;P
[02:34] <hub> ah yeah
[02:34] <Kyral> hub: I didn't have mine on me at the time. I had to borrow a laptop and printer to print mine out :P
[02:34] <hub> we may have actually talked the sunday morning
[02:34] <hub> Kyral: I have it on my business card
[02:34] <hub> :-0
[02:34] <Kyral> I was only there for Ubuntu Love Day
[02:34] <hub> Kyral: yeah
[02:34] <\sh> Kyral: I think we met too :)
[02:34] <hub> that is the only thing that doesn't change on my card
[02:34] <Kyral> \sh: we did :D
[02:34] <hub> maybe the email
[02:34] <\sh> during Ubuntu love day
[02:35] <hub> \sh: you were all around anyway
[02:35] <hub> Kyral: coming to DesktopCon or OLS this year?
[02:35] <\sh> I was sitting on the floor and was compiling python-qt ...
[02:35] <hub> \sh: I was just trying to make my POS laptop no die
[02:36] <Kyral> hub: where are those?
[02:36] <Kyral> I can't come to Paris
[02:36] <\sh> at least, ubz was quite a good conf...and nice people around...especially hubs surprised gf ;)
[02:36] <hub> Kyral: OLS = Ottawa Linux Symposium
[02:36] <hub> Kyral: Dekstop Con is just before
[02:36] <Kyral> hub: when is that?
[02:36] <hub> July
[02:37] <Kyral> oy I don't have a car lol
[02:37] <hub> http://www.desktopcon.org/2006/
[02:37] <Erlang> my boss will be there...
[02:37] <hub> Kyral: train works to go to ottawa
[02:37] <hub> Kyral: as well as buses
[02:37] <Kyral> and I'm so close lol I'm in Potsdam for the summer
[02:37] <Erlang> I can't go, yet.
[02:37] <hub> Erlang: who do you work for?
[02:37] <Kyral> Hehe if I go I'll prolly be representing Ubuntu no?
[02:38] <hub> I'm there, paid by $WORK
[02:38] <Erlang> hub: Ask me that again in a week.  We have no website yet so I don't feel confortable saying that.
[02:38] <hub> so I can't
[02:38] <hub> Erlang: LOL
[02:38] <hub> Erlang: 'cause I know a company in Sherbroole
[02:38] <hub> s/l/k/
[02:38] <Erlang> I work for a little startup.
[02:39] <Kyral> hub: lemme ask the people I went to UBZ with if they would like to go
[02:40] <hub> Kyral: up to them
[02:40] <hub> I'll be there anyway
[02:40] <hub> I'm local
[02:40] <hub> and I'm talking at DDC
[02:40] <Kyral> ah
[02:41] <Kyral> hub: I'll see. Depends if work will let me
[02:41] <Kyral> weel, technically I can work from anywhere with an internet conn...
[02:44] <Kyral> whoa...$250 to register?
[02:47] <Kyral> Sorry not this time around :D
[02:47] <hub> like any conference
[02:47] <Kyral> Though the presentations sound awesome
[02:47] <hub> early reg was cheaoer
[02:47] <Kyral> Yah I saw
[02:47] <hub> s/o/p/g
[02:48] <Kyral> maybe next year hub :D
[02:49] <Kyral> hmm..I wonder if Russ is going...
[02:51] <Kyral> anyway next time I'm in Ottawa I'll be sure to look you up Hub
[02:52] <nthdegree_> what do you put in /etc/fstab to mount reiser4 for ubuntu
[02:53] <Kyral> reiser4?
[02:53] <nthdegree_> that didn't work
[02:53] <Kyral> do you have the tools installed? :P
[02:53] <nthdegree_> yes
[02:53] <zul> uh...you have resier4 in your kernel?
[02:53] <nthdegree_> have no clue
[02:53] <Kyral> He prolly modprobed it
[02:53] <Kyral> yo farruinn!
[02:54] <hub> ext3
[02:54] <\sh> xfs
[02:54] <\sh> and ext2/3
[02:54] <Kyral> JFS
[02:54] <hub> at least it does not chain your disk to a chaine-list
[02:54] <Kyral> well, /boot is ext3
[02:54] <Kyral> the rest is JFS :D
[02:54] <nthdegree_> \sh xfs panicked my kernel
[02:54] <hub> where losing hte middle lose the rest
[02:54] <Kyral> Actually I have been playing with NILFS
[02:54] <\sh> nthdegree_: what  kernel are you running
[02:54] <nthdegree_> standard ubuntu one
[02:54] <hub> Kyral: I'm a conservative when it comes to filesystems
[02:55] <\sh> nthdegree_: can't be...
[02:55] <Kyral> hub: this is why I am playing with it on my usbkey :P
[02:55] <Kyral> nthdegree_: bingo :P
[02:55] <\sh> nthdegree_: never did here..not even with EIT GPT disk partitions with >6TB partition size
[02:55] <hub> reiser4 is still NOT in the kernel
[02:55] <hub> only SuSE ships it
[02:55] <hub> even RH does not
[02:55] <Kyral> Jeez I should really register SHCD with FSF and LP
[02:56] <Kyral> hub: Arch's Beyond does as well
[02:59] <ryanakca> http://pastebin.ca/64639       is the pbuilder error... something wrong with the control file or pbuilder?
[02:59] <ryanakca> lol
[02:59] <Kyral> Missing dep?
[02:59] <ryanakca> yes
[03:00] <\sh> ryanakca: wrong build-deps in debian/control missing gtk lib or whatever
[03:00] <Kyral> You just answered your question :P
[03:00] <Kyral> yah now I remember \sh, you showed me and farruinn how to use multiple pbuilders :D
[03:00] <ryanakca> kk... just that I don't know which package is needed... is there a way to figure it out... easily?
[03:00] <crimsun_> if it checks for >= 1.2, it's usually libgtk2.0-dev
[03:01] <crimsun_> err, libgtk1.2-dev
[03:01] <crimsun_> if it checks for >= 2.0, it's usually libgtk2.0-dev
[03:01] <ryanakca> which one...
[03:01] <\sh> Kyral: did I? I was on crack at this time ;)
[03:01] <Kyral> lol
[03:01] <ryanakca> kk... even though 2.0 >= 1.2?
[03:01] <crimsun_> ryanakca: usually the README/INSTALL will tell you
[03:01] <Kyral> I think all of you were hunover :P
[03:02] <Kyral> One of the things that I keep remembering from that day is Jeff Waugh saying multiple times "We do NOT have a drinking problem on this project!"
[03:02] <\sh> Kyral: sure...we weren't actually sleeping .. at least siretart and I
[03:04] <Kyral> hehe
[03:04] <Kyral> I had to wake up at 4 AM that day lol
[03:04] <ajmitch> ok
[03:04] <Kyral> hey ajmitch
[03:05] <ajmitch> hello
[03:05] <bmonty> grr...I have a 4AM wakeup tomorrow morning :(
[03:05] <\sh> Kyral: we didn't sleep for more then 27 hours...I have pictures where I went out with ogra and riddell, and I was looking very strange, like on drugs
[03:05] <Kyral> lol
[03:06] <\sh> but it was helloween ... so I wasn't alone
[03:06] <ajmitch> \sh: that was an interesting time...
[03:08] <\sh> ajmitch: you missed ogra, riddell, koke and I going out for a beer in an irish pub..you know...very strange situation
[03:08] <ajmitch> \sh: unfortunate that I missed that :)
[03:09] <ajmitch> though the evening going to hub's place was fun as well
[03:09] <\sh> http://photos.shermann.blogweb.de/v/ubz/20051029/P1000067.JPG.html
[03:10] <\sh> http://photos.shermann.blogweb.de/v/ubz/20051029/P1000069.JPG.html
[03:10] <ajmitch> you look almost drunk..
[03:10] <\sh> I wasn't just tired
[03:10] <\sh> it was the arrival day
[03:10] <\sh> aeh
[03:10] <\sh> I was just tired
[03:10] <ajmitch> long flight will do that to you :)
[03:11] <ryanakca> I have this in control,      Depends: ${shlibs:Depends}, ${misc:Depends}, libgtk1.2-dev, libgtk1.2        yet I still get those errors... http://pastebin.ca/64639
[03:11] <\sh> ryanakca: it needs libgtk2.0-dev
[03:12] <\sh> http://photos.shermann.blogweb.de/v/ubz/20051031/P1000095.JPG.html a very nice picture btw
[03:12] <crimsun_> ryanakca: libgtk2.0-dev in B-D. You don't need to add to Depends.
[03:12] <ajmitch> of course there's a laptop there
[03:13] <\sh> here is no laptop but another nice tool and ajmitch http://photos.shermann.blogweb.de/v/ubz/20051104/P1000116.JPG.html
[03:13] <ajmitch> :)
[03:13] <ajmitch> & a seb128 in the foreground
[03:13] <ajmitch> I think dholbach is the one leaning down there
[03:14] <ajmitch> hello bddebian
[03:15] <bmonty> hey bddebian!
[03:15] <\sh> ajmitch: and this is when I'm drunk (http://photos.shermann.blogweb.de/v/shermannpics/Karlsruhe2006/20060518PaulsAbschied/P1000333.JPG.html)
[03:15] <bddebian> Heya gang
[03:15] <bddebian> Hi ajmitch, bmonty
[03:15] <bddebian> and \sh
[03:15] <ryanakca> crimsun_: oh, kk, ty
[03:15] <ajmitch> \sh: you probably have photos from the train as well
[03:16] <\sh> ajmitch: http://photos.shermann.blogweb.de/v/ubz/20051104/P1000124.JPG.html
[03:17] <ajmitch> more bad photos :)
[03:17] <ajmitch> http://photos.shermann.blogweb.de/v/ubz/20051104/P1000131.JPG.html
[03:17] <ajmitch> dholbach looking friendly
[03:18] <bddebian> heh
[03:21] <bmonty> I don't see much work getting done in any of those pics :)
[03:21] <ajmitch> bmonty: of course not
[03:21] <ajmitch> this is the relaxation afterwards
[03:24] <brandon_> i have a question about the format of the changelog file required to build a deb. i followed the packaging guide, and yet i'm still getting a "badly formatted" error on the trailer
[03:24] <ajmitch> put it on pastebin for us to look at
[03:25] <brandon_> it's only one line. can i just paste it in here?
[03:25] <ajmitch> no, a changelog should be more than 1 line :)
[03:25] <brandon_> the trailer
[03:26] <ajmitch> just put the relevant section on pastebin, please?
[03:26] <bddebian> Use dch -i :)
[03:26] <bmonty> brandon_: if you put the whole thing in the pastebin it is easier for us to help
[03:28] <brandon_> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15582
[03:29] <bmonty> brandon_: distribution and version are wrong
[03:30] <brandon_> how do you figure?
[03:30] <bmonty> change "unstable" to "edgy"
[03:30] <bmonty> we are using "edgy" for the distribution name, right/
[03:30] <bmonty> ?
[03:31] <bmonty> version should be something like <upstream version>-<package version>, in your case it could be 2.1.3-1
[03:31] <brandon_> i just didn't want it to be called dapper, bnecause there is a dapper in universe or wherever
[03:32] <ajmitch> the error it's giving is because you need a space before the -- in line 12
[03:32] <bmonty> your package would be called "amule"...that is another thing that needs to be fixed, BTW
[03:33] <\sh> brandon_: dch is your friend
[03:33] <\sh> apt-get install devscripts
[03:34] <\sh> devscripts-el ? ;)
[03:34] <bmonty> emacs....bleh
[03:34] <Erlang> ajmitch: suprEMACSy!
[03:34] <brandon_> doesn't that look like a good changelog file though?
[03:34] <bmonty> brandon_: it looks like a changelog, but has some major issues
[03:35] <brandon_> uh huh
[03:36] <brandon_> it would have issues if it was part of the distro and not just on my pc
[03:36] <\sh> brandon_: debian/changelog should not be used as upstream changelog ;)
[03:36] <\sh> Fixed "0000867: French traduction is uncorrect grammatically". what does it mean, which bugtracker?
[03:37] <bmonty> brandon_: if you are asking for help here it generally because you want to eventually have the package in universe
[03:37] <\sh> brandon_: aMule (2.1.3) unstable; urgency=low is missing a revision , correct version in debian/changelog would be 2.1.3-1
[03:38] <\sh> (for debian) and 2.1.3-0ubuntu1 for ubuntu
[03:38] <brandon_> i have contributed 3 packages so far, but the documentation doesn't match what i saw. i can't log in, and i don't see any of the stuff i dput'ed on hte server
[03:38] <Amaranth> or 2.1.3-0ubuntu1 if it's meant for ubuntu
[03:38] <brandon_> so it's kind of discouraging. but i promise to contribute amule if nobody else does it in a week or two
[03:39] <ajmitch> brandon_: what do you mean, you don't see it on the server?
[03:39] <\sh> brandon_: which packages?
[03:39] <ajmitch> if that's the case, then you didn't have a successful upload & you should have asked one of us
[03:39] <ajmitch> usually because of a missing gpg key or a binary upload
[03:39] <brandon_> dput said it was successful
[03:40] <ajmitch> dput can't tell you if it's accepted or not
[03:40] <\sh> brandon_: dput is just the upload...and uploads are just working...even when revu doesn't know you
[03:40] <ajmitch> only that putting it into the queue worked
[03:40] <brandon_> well, the documentation didn't say anything about a queue; nto that i saw anyway
[03:41] <ajmitch> it does say that you need your key in the keyring, and to do source-only uploads though
[03:41] <\sh> brandon_: it says: send a signed email to keyring@revu.tauware.de
[03:41] <brandon_> \sh and i sent that email
[03:41] <ajmitch> and did you get your key added?
[03:41] <brandon_> and i have a signed key, and i signed each of the 3 packages
[03:41] <\sh> brandon_: it says: upload debuild -S -sa source packages. so you are sure that you are in the keyring?
[03:42] <ajmitch> sending the email is one part, you need to have a revu admin actually add it
[03:42] <brandon_> \sh hell no i'm not sure. i just did what it said i should do
[03:42] <brandon_> i haven't received any response to the email though
[03:43] <brandon_> i added my key to the ubuntu keyring using the kde app
[03:43] <ajmitch> usually because revu admins are busy or because they didn't see the email
[03:44] <brandon_> dch just repeated the error iw as already getting
[03:44] <\sh> brandon_: which email address did you send the email from?
[03:45] <brandon_> i sent the email on fri at 4:42pm. the subject line was "KeyID" the address is bsnider@personainternet.com
[03:45] <ajmitch> right, and sistpoty replied a day later
[03:46] <brandon_> i have not received a reply
[03:46] <ajmitch> From: Stefan Potyra <sistpoty@ubuntu.com>
[03:46] <ajmitch> To: Brandon Snider <bsnider@personainternet.com>
[03:46] <ajmitch> Subject: Re: KeyID
[03:46] <ajmitch> Cc: keyring@tiber.tauware.de
[03:47] <\sh> there is no password at all
[03:47] <\sh> shermann@tiber:/srv/revu1/scripts$ sudo ./alter_user.py -e bsnider@personainternet.com -s
[03:47] <\sh> None
[03:47] <ajmitch> \sh: no successful uploads yet :)
[03:49] <brandon_> maybe my isp's mailserver is slow or something
[03:49] <brandon_> or maybe they're using a junk filter i'm not aware of
[03:49] <\sh> brandon_: which packages did you upload?
[03:49] <\sh> pax-utils_0.1.13_i386.deb
[03:49] <ajmitch> that's bluefoxicy's
[03:49] <\sh> djplay_0.3.0-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
[03:49] <\sh> ubuntu-live-support_0.3.14-1_i386.deb
[03:49] <brandon_> kplayer, ktvschedule, maxemumtvguide
[03:51] <bluefoxicy> paxutils is mine
[03:51] <\sh> Format: 1.0
[03:51] <\sh> Source: kplayer
[03:51] <\sh> Version: 0.5.3-1
[03:51] <\sh> Binary: kplayer
[03:51] <\sh> Maintainer: kiriuja <kplayer-debs@en-directo.net>
[03:51] <brandon_> right
[03:51] <\sh> all are native packages, please repackage as non-natives
[03:52] <\sh> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2394
[03:52] <\sh> ktvschedule
[03:52] <\sh> is in the database
[03:52] <\sh> the others are in incoming, I'll delete them now
[03:52] <ajmitch> however the changelog is broken for ktvschedule, since it doesn't mention your name at all
[03:52] <ajmitch> and so no account would be created for you
[03:53] <brandon_> why would the changelog mention me?
[03:53] <ajmitch> because you're the one making changes?
[03:53] <brandon_> i have nothing to do with it
[03:53] <ajmitch> then why are you uploading it?
[03:54] <brandon_> because it wasn't already there
[03:54] <\sh> brandon_: you can't just upload packages randomly, because they are not in ubuntu or debian
[03:55] <\sh> brandon_: if you upload, then you need to change something or at least you are the responsible person for this upload, not the package creator, who does not know anything about ubuntu
[03:55] <brandon_> maybe i'm not properly understanding what a changelog is used for in htis context. i didn't develop the software, nor did i make any changes to it, so i didn't think i should put my name on it
[03:55] <ajmitch> debian/changelog details packaging changes
[03:55] <ajmitch> not upstream changes
[03:57] <brandon_> \sh if i upload i need to change something about a program that's not available yet?
[03:58] <ajmitch> brandon_: did you write any of the debian/* files?
[03:58] <brandon_> yes
[03:59] <ajmitch> then that's packaging it
[03:59] <ajmitch> you put your name in the changelog
[03:59] <brandon_> that's ok with me
[04:00] <ajmitch> eg I'm not upstream for f-spot, but I package it
[04:00] <brandon_> right, i understan that
[04:00] <ajmitch> so my name goes into the changelog for anything I do to it
[04:00] <ajmitch> or \sh puts his name in the changelog if he dares to touch my package :)
[04:01] <zul> i bet he dares
[04:01] <ajmitch> except he needs to be reactivated in -dev & -core-dev, iirc
[04:01] <\sh> hmm...breaking ajmitchs zope packages is FUN
[04:01] <bddebian> Oh, ajmitch will you touch my package? ;-P
[04:01] <brandon_> but in amule's case, i didn't install a source or anything, i just grabbed the tarball and installed it, and i can make a deb from it
[04:02] <ajmitch> bddebian: sometimes I ask why we don't kick you from the channel :)
[04:02] <brandon_> the one in hte repos is about 2 revisions old now
[04:02] <\sh> brandon_: if you package the tarball as debian package, you are the package creator
[04:02] <bddebian> ajmitch: So kick me
[04:02] <\sh> brandon_: and you are responsible for the package in the first round
[04:02] <\sh> argl...not again
[04:02] <ajmitch> bddebian: takes too much effort
[04:03] <brandon_> \sh but what are the implications as far as the amules that are there now?
[04:03] <\sh> brandon_: if there is an amule package, which is in universe, you grab the source package and update the package to the new upstream version, if this is not done in debian
[04:04] <\sh> brandon_: or the easy way is to bug the debian maintainer of the package and tell him to update the package to new upstream, so we can sync it from debian
[04:04] <ajmitch> since the last upload to debian was only a few days ago, it looks like the debian maintainer is fairly active
[04:05] <brandon_> i dunno. i think the one int here is 2.1.0, but i can have a 2.1.3 package here
[04:05] <ajmitch> latest in the pool is 2.1.2
[04:05] <brandon_> yeah, i guess he'll be ok with it then
[04:06] <brandon_> so you said you already have a kplayer waiting? or should i change the one i made and tyr again?
[04:06] <ajmitch> we try not to unnecessarily fork from debian
[04:07] <ajmitch> I don't see kplayer in debian, only amule
[04:07] <brandon_> the cvs snapshot i grabbed had a debian folder in it
[04:08] <ajmitch> and it probably needs fixed up to go into ubuntu
[04:08] <brandon_> and i think marillat made apakcage, but it doesn't work
[04:08] <brandon_> it didn't work in breezy, that why i originally installed it from the source. but then i figured, why not let everybody have it?
[04:23] <Toma-> hmmm, Hydrogen 0.9.2 is in the repos, but hydrogen 0.9.3 was released in Feburary this year...
[04:24] <Erlang> too latte ;D
[04:24] <Toma-> o rly?!
[04:24] <Toma-> :(
[04:25] <Erlang> Dapper has been release.  You can ask for an update and a backport if it's in Debian.
[04:26] <Toma-> i c
[04:27] <bmonty> Toma-: it is best to file a bug if you think it should be updated
[04:27] <Toma-> ok
[04:27] <Toma-> i can do that :D
[04:28] <Toma-> Im gonna be programming in my bands drum beats for use with our demo CD and want the best drum machine i can get! ;)
[04:29] <bmonty> Toma-: talk to dolson if you need help with audio stuff on ubuntu, I think he has a website on the subject
[04:30] <Hobbsee> hey Toma- and bmonty
[04:30] <Toma-> rad
[04:30] <Toma-> lo Hobbsee
[04:30] <bmonty> hi Hobbsee
[04:33] <bmonty> Toma-: http://ubuntustudio.com/wiki/index.php/Welcome%2C_Musicians%21
[04:34] <\sh> brb showering
[04:34] <bmonty> tmi
[04:35] <Toma-> :o "Audio hardware"... im about to buy some hardware! this is awesome. thx bmonty :)
[04:35] <bmonty> :)
[04:52] <\sh> re
[04:52] <bddebian> Ah, you smell better ;-P
[04:53] <Hobbsee> bddebian: or maybe he's now covered by your smell instead :P
[04:53] <bddebian> *sniff* *sniff*
[04:53] <bddebian> Hmm, possible ;-)
[04:53] <\sh> hmmm
[04:53] <\sh> I used my boss shower gel
[04:53] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:54] <\sh> the one for old farts like me...smelling like a businessman ,)
[04:54] <bddebian> I resemble that remark ;-)
[04:54] <\sh> hehe
[04:55] <\sh> hmmm...
[04:55] <\sh> why is firefox connecting to www.google-analytics.com ?
[04:55] <\sh> I used it now for the first time
[04:57] <Hobbsee> \sh: do you mean connecting, or not connecting to that site?
[04:57] <\sh> connecting
[04:57] <Hobbsee> oh
[04:57] <\sh> or at least it tries to
[04:57] <Hobbsee> what's the homepage set to?
[04:58] <\sh> no the homepage is still kubuntus replacement for index.html, but when you enter some url and try to connect to the site you want to go, you see connecting to www.google-analytics.com...
[04:59] <Hobbsee> eek
[04:59] <Hobbsee> which site were you wanting to go onto, and does that site involve g-a?
[04:59] <Hobbsee> no, wait, ignore that
[05:00] <\sh> Hobbsee: no...
[05:00] <\sh> Hobbsee: heise.de
[05:01] <Hobbsee> weird, dont worry about me..
[05:01] <imbrandon_> morning \sh and Hobbsee
[05:02] <Hobbsee> hey imbrandon
[05:02] <\sh> moins imbrandon_
[05:04] <Hobbsee> heh
[05:05] <\sh> imbrandon: most of the stuff is not even build
[05:05] <\sh> which is waiting in the queue
[05:05] <imbrandon_> yea .... i'm inpatient ;)
[05:05] <imbrandon_> (sp ? )
[05:05] <imbrandon_> lol
[05:06] <imbrandon_> i need a inline spell check for konvorsation
[05:06] <imbrandon_> lol
[05:06] <imbrandon_> Hobbsee, upgrading what ?
[05:06] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: we wont be upgrading konv for a while - maybe not till they do the next release...
[05:06] <imbrandon_> i wont run edgy cept in a chroot or vm for a few weeks ;)
[05:07] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: new partition, stick edgy on it
[05:07] <imbrandon_> heheh
[05:07] <imbrandon_> yea i got one all ready on this box and my 64
[05:07] <imbrandon_> i'm going to have to make a choice soon, this is my good old stable work horse but i'm loving my 64
[05:07] <imbrandon_> and i'm spending more and more time on it lol
[05:08] <bmonty> since they are messing with the compiler tool chain it might be best to not upgrade for awhile :)
[05:09] <imbrandon_> bmonty, yea thus in a chroot or vm ;)
[05:09] <bmonty> oh, OK
[05:09] <imbrandon_> i'll run it like that for a few weeks
[05:09] <bmonty> same here
[05:10] <imbrandon_> actualy a chroot AND a vm
[05:10] <imbrandon_> probbly
[05:10] <Hobbsee> bmonty: well yeah, that's what i'm waiting for them to finish...
[05:10] <bmonty> now that I have a machine capable of handling it, I plan on messing around a lot more with the VMs
[05:10] <Hobbsee> and surely everything will need to be rebuilt, with the new compiler chain?
[05:10] <imbrandon_> bmonty, yea vmware server is free and VERY nice
[05:10] <bmonty> Hobbsee: I believe so
[05:11] <imbrandon_> Hobbsee, most like ly
[05:11] <bmonty> imbrandon_: I have vmware working, but I want toget qemu working aldo
[05:11] <crimsun_> Hobbsee: it essentially will happy for free with the sid sync. We get to hand-merge everything else.
[05:11] <crimsun_> mm, fumblefingers.
[05:11] <crimsun_> s/happy/happen/
[05:11] <\sh> http://www.managersim.com/blog/index.php/?p=3 google-analytics.com it's not firefox
[05:11] <imbrandon_> bmonty, well if you do qemu make sure to compile in kqemu support or you'll be sorry ;)
[05:11] <Hobbsee> fun
[05:12] <imbrandon_> bmonty, the ubuntu qemu package isnt compiled with kqemu support
[05:12] <bmonty> BTW, I found a nice site for vmware, http://www.easyvmx.com/
[05:12] <imbrandon_> and thus runs 1/20th speed
[05:12] <imbrandon_> bmonty, vmware server is free and lets you create vms too and run more than one at a time etc
[05:12] <imbrandon_> not like vmware player
[05:13] <bmonty> imbrandon_: thats good to know....from the way \sh promotes qemu, I thought everything would be good to go
[05:13] <bddebian> heh
[05:13] <imbrandon_> qemu is good but its very slow without kqemu support
[05:13] <bmonty> imbrandon_: this gets you started without the server
[05:13] <imbrandon_> ;)
[05:13] <\sh> bmonty: I'm not promoting qemu
[05:14] <Hobbsee> that looks kinda cool...
[05:14] <bmonty> ok...evangelising :)
[05:14] <imbrandon_> Hobbsee, ??
[05:14] <\sh> I just said, that if someone wants cpu simulation he could use qemu without breaking his system
[05:14] <Hobbsee> that easyvmx site - and the whole idea of running a VM
[05:14] <imbrandon_> Hobbsee, ahh yea vm's are VERY nice
[05:15] <bmonty> \sh: well on the bright side, if qemu did break your system we could do something about it, I'm not so sure about vmware
[05:15] <imbrandon_> but IMHO vmware server is the way to go with vm development as you can easyly switch vm's create / change the hardware on the fly etc
[05:16] <bmonty> server has more features but costs $200
[05:16] <imbrandon_> bmonty, server is free
[05:16] <imbrandon_> no cost
[05:16] <imbrandon_> just like vmware player
[05:16] <bmonty> for a trial period though
[05:16] <imbrandon_> NO
[05:16] <imbrandon_> totaly free forever
[05:16] <imbrandon_> just as vmware player
[05:16] <imbrandon_> same lic
[05:17] <imbrandon_> http://www.vmware.com/products/server/
[05:17] <bmonty> cool, its been awhile since I looked in to vmware's licensing
[05:17] <imbrandon_> 100% fre ( as in beer )
[05:17] <\sh> imbrandon_: the open source server is free, free as in beer...something for multiverse...and the SX Server is a single RH based distro
[05:17] <imbrandon_> esx and gsx server still cost, plain vmware server == free
[05:18] <imbrandon_> \sh, yea
[05:18] <\sh> but again, it won't run without breaking the support chain ;)
[05:18] <imbrandon_> huh ?
[05:19] <\sh> imbrandon_: when you load the vmware modules, you taint the ubuntu kernel and you won't get support
[05:19] <Lathiat> ESX is scary
[05:19] <Lathiat> it runs like 2.4.9
[05:19] <imbrandon_> ahh yea, same with nvidia drivers and a slew of other things including qemu ( kqemu kernel module is NOT free )
[05:19] <Lathiat> i hate to wonder how hacked to hell it is
[05:20] <\sh> imbrandon_: well, the shipped nvidia drivers are supported, if you compile for yourself, then again, losing support.
[05:20] <imbrandon_> right as i said along with a slew of other things ;)
[05:21] <ajmitch> if you compile nvidia drivers for yourself & complain, it's your fault :)
[05:21] <imbrandon_> but as developers i think one should be able to handel loading and unloading kernel modules hopefully
[05:21] <imbrandon_> if not we have bigger things to worry about ;)
[05:22] <ajmitch> it's not being able to do it
[05:22] <ajmitch> it's the binary modules trampling over the kernel & making it impossible to debug problems
[05:22] <\sh> imbrandon_: but this discussion is all about normal user and people like us, who know what we are doing (sometimes)
[05:22] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: does that apply to other things as well?  like random repos?
[05:22] <\sh> Hobbsee: yes
[05:22] <imbrandon_> ajmitch the point i was getting at is there are lots of things that do the same thing including vmware player, kqemu, nvidia etc etc etc
[05:23] <imbrandon_> \sh, no i was talking about for development
[05:23] <imbrandon_> thus poeple like us
[05:23] <imbrandon_> ;)
[05:23] <Hobbsee> \sh: excellent.  i'll have to adjust ajmitch's statement for various other things that screw users systems, too :D
[05:23] <\sh> Hobbsee: that's why we have this mix up now with kde 3.5.3 in launchpad
[05:23] <Hobbsee> \sh: we do?
[05:24] <imbrandon_> people reporting 3.5.3 bugs in lp ?
[05:24] <ajmitch> of course they will
[05:24] <\sh> Hobbsee: yes..the same for amarok...and we have to ask first, what version and what packages they had installed
[05:24] <ajmitch> the packages are available, malone is ubuntu's bugtracker, so they'll file bugs
[05:24] <Hobbsee> true - then again, 3.5.3 bugs will still be there in edgy, and that's what we're debugging next, arent we?
[05:24] <imbrandon_> yup
[05:25] <imbrandon_> Hobbsee, but that makes a nightmare also
[05:25] <imbrandon_> i see the point , but my original point was not for everyone it WAS for developers like us , specificaly US in particular ;)
[05:25] <\sh> Hobbsee: in this very moment, when people are writing about: "My KDE on Kubuntu Dapper is not working"
[05:26] <\sh> Hobbsee: and then you ask: "which version?" and the answer is "3.5.3" then LP is definitly the wrong place
[05:26] <\sh> Hobbsee: because kubuntu.orgs 3.5.3 is not of the same quality as 3.5.2 in dapper...so it's a nightmare
[05:27] <bmonty> goodnight everyone
[05:27] <imbrandon_> gnight bmonty
[05:27] <bddebian> Later bmonty
[05:28] <imbrandon_> brb yall i'm gonna shut this box off and go hop on my 64, back in 5
[05:28] <Hobbsee> \sh: true.  well...yeah.  is 3.5.3 goign to make it into dapper updates, or did they decide no?
[05:28] <Kyral> night...
[05:28] <crimsun_> my guess given the bug reports wrt .5.3 is "not yet"
[05:28] <\sh> Hobbsee: the changes are not conservative
[05:28] <imbrandon_> Hobbsee, even if it does ( more likely backports ) but still its not official packages till then and shouldent be on lp
[05:29] <Hobbsee> okay, be ready for the next damned spam war...
[05:29] <\sh> that's why I think a good idea is to have an own kubuntu product for those things
[05:34] <Hobbsee> \sh: of course, the obvious response to that is to just make it as good as 3.5.2, but...
[05:37] <\sh> HELP Birds in da house
[05:38] <\sh> ok..going to work...cu later
[05:38] <bddebian> Later \sh
[05:42] <Hobbsee> bye remains of \ah
[05:43] <Hobbsee> bye remains of \sh
[05:47] <bluefoxicy> \sh:  the escape shell
[05:48] <bluefoxicy> has anyone got ubuntu-ppc working in qemu on x86
[05:53] <sladen> what are you seeing not working?
[05:53] <bluefoxicy> uh.  Lemme install qemu real quick :)
[05:53] <ToHellWithGA> yarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
[05:54] <ToHellWithGA> did yall take note of my suggestion of adding input plugins to beep-media-player packages?
[05:55] <Hobbsee> bluefoxicy: but what if the original OS is ubuntu?  :P
[05:55] <bluefoxicy> it was a joke
[05:56] <Hobbsee> er...you didnt notice the :P after my statement, hence marking my statement also as a joke?
[05:57] <bluefoxicy> qemu-system-ppc -net nic -net tap -m 128 -hda hd.img -boot d -cdrom /dev/cdrom
[05:57] <bluefoxicy> qemu: could not load PowerPC bios '/usr/share/qemu/ppc_rom.bin'
[05:57] <bluefoxicy> that... can be fixed by getting openhackware, but ubuntu doesn't carry that... but after getting openhackware it refuses to admit there's a video bios
[05:58] <bluefoxicy> and if you move a video bios in the screen just stays black IIRC (I did this a long time ago, 2 or 3 months back)
[06:00] <bluefoxicy> sladen:  in general this just doesn't work on ubuntu :P
[06:06] <sladen> find some source from elsewhere that works;  diff the result
[06:06] <sladen> file a bug
[06:06] <crimsun_> ToHellWithGA: b-m-p is EOLed. Any particular reason you really want additional support?
[06:07] <ToHellWithGA> crimsun_: if it's in the ubuntu packages it should be thoroughly backed
[06:07] <crimsun_> ToHellWithGA: feel free to work on it, then.
[06:08] <ToHellWithGA> running b-m-p without plugins to support free formats would be like running GIMP with support for .gif but not .png
[06:08] <ToHellWithGA> crimsun_: how could I do that.  I'd love to contribute
[06:08] <ToHellWithGA> *how could I do that?
[06:08] <crimsun_> ToHellWithGA: there's a packaging guide in System> Help
[06:09] <crimsun_> (one more level down, don't have it because I uninstalled yelp)
[06:10] <ToHellWithGA> crimsun_: System Documentation, Online Documentation, Community Support, Commercial Support, or Ubuntu Book Excerpt?
[06:10] <crimsun_> the first.
[06:10] <ToHellWithGA> thanks
[06:11] <ToHellWithGA> i'll see what I can do to get on that.  thanks crimsun_
[06:11] <crimsun_> np.
[06:23] <bddebian> Gnight folks
[06:24] <crimsun_> 'night bddebian
[06:24] <Hobbsee> night bddebian
[06:47] <LaserJock> ToHellWithGA: the packaging guide can also be found at help.ubuntu.com
[06:48] <LaserJock> ToHellWithGA: but it is in System -> Help -> System Documentation 4th item down
[06:48] <LaserJock> ToHellWithGA: on Dapper
[07:01] <jabra_> anyone around
[07:01] <crimsun_> yes
[07:01] <ajmitch> somewhat
[07:02] <jabra_> so been trying to get my samsung palm to sync for a few months now with dapper with no luck
[07:02] <jabra_> I have followed docs I found online about privs
[07:04] <jabra_> any ideas ?
[07:05] <crimsun_> (that's pretty vague, and it seems more of a user question)
[07:07] <jabra_> basically I have a palm I want to sync with my machine
[07:07] <jabra_> getting a strange error from jpilot when I go to sync
[07:15] <ajmitch> hm
[07:16] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: hm?
[07:16] <ajmitch> dsl dying again
[07:16] <Hobbsee> ah
[07:17] <ajmitch> please don't
[07:17] <ajmitch> it's fragile enough at the moment
[07:17] <jabra_> anyone have any thoughts on the pda issue?
[07:17] <ajmitch> nope, we're just developers & packagers
[07:17] <Hobbsee> oh, i was going to try and kick it into working...
[07:17] <Hobbsee> "we know nothing, nothing at all"
[07:18] <imbrandon_> jabra_: your better off asking in #ubuntu
[07:18] <imbrandon_> or #kubuntu depending on what your using
[07:19] <jabra_> aight
[07:53] <Hobbsee> what fun.  the latest ndiswrapper source doesnt seem to include a debian directory anymore, which means the documentation is now wrong.
[07:55] <crimsun_> Hobbsee: yet another reason to pbuild the sid source package.
[07:55] <crimsun_> well then.
[09:29] <dholbach> good morning
[09:30] <Gloubiboulga> morning dholbach
[09:30] <dholbach> hey Gloubiboulga
[09:31] <ajmitch> hey dholbach
[09:31] <dholbach> hey ajmitch
[09:33] <Sp4rKy> good morning MOTUs :)
[09:33] <lifeless> morning!
[10:08] <Toadstool> 'morning motus
[10:21] <BlueT_> ... # http://www.cafepress.com/geekcultstore/48379  # Geekier THAN THOU
[10:22] <BlueT_> ooops
[10:22] <BlueT_> sorry, wrong channel... lol
[10:56] <neutrinomass> Hi. I'm quite confused. I created a .desktop for 'dfontmgr', but it's not in Launchpad :-/ "aptitude show dfontmgr" works though. Is this a launchpad issue or something wrong on my part ?
[10:57] <dholbach> neutrinomass: where in Launchpad did you have a look?
[10:57] <ajmitch> neutrinomass: apt-cache showsrc dfontmgr
[10:57] <ajmitch> it shows that the source package is defoma
[10:58] <ajmitch> launchpad only works by source package :)
[10:58] <neutrinomass> ajmitch: Oh, binary packages were dropped?
[10:59] <ajmitch> iirc, yes
[10:59] <neutrinomass> dholbach: I was looking in http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/dfontmgr ...
[10:59] <ajmitch> if they were ever there
[10:59] <neutrinomass> Ok, I'll file it against defoma ... thanks
[11:00] <ajmitch> this room is cold
[11:00] <neutrinomass> Computers do heat up rooms significantly :p
[11:00] <ajmitch> not well enough
[11:01] <ajmitch> & one of those is just a laptop :)
[11:01] <neutrinomass> I used to have a desktop in a small room and it was significantly warmer than the rest of the house (it ran 24/7 ):)
[11:02] <azeem> ajmitch: run cpuburn on them
[11:02] <ajmitch> cpuburn doesn't appear to be compiled for amd64
[11:03] <azeem> oh man, I hope edgy'll suck less ;)
[11:03] <ajmitch> haha
[11:03] <ajmitch> I'm sure I could run it in a chroot :)
[11:03] <neutrinomass> Btw, how to get stuff under System->Preferences? I'm not sure dfontmgr should go under system->administration
[11:04] <ajmitch> CPU is currently at 40C
[11:04] <azeem> neutrinomass: "get" as in, "get Ubuntu to move things over", or as in "being able to use it for myself?"
[11:04] <ajmitch> power consumption shoots up about 50W when running burnK7 on both cores :)
[11:05] <neutrinomass> azeem: get as in the appropriate Cateogories entry in the .desktop file I'm writing
[11:06] <azeem> ah
[11:26] <kagou> hi
[11:26] <Sp4rKy> hi
[12:41] <bluefoxicy> eww o.o there's a defragmenter on revu
[01:11] <zakame> hi all
[01:11] <ajmitch> hey zakame
[01:11] <zakame> heya ajmitch wazup?
[01:11] <zakame> I'm in manila now
[01:11] <ajmitch> not much going on right now :)
[01:26] <ryanakca> is there a "wishlist" of apps that aren't in the repo, but are wanted?
[01:27] <ajmitch> yes
[01:27] <ajmitch> see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/Candidates
[01:27] <ajmitch> for a list that may or may not be up to date in any way
[01:27] <ryanakca> ty
[01:28] <ryanakca> kk.... just starting out packaging... I'll look for some of the easier ones...
[02:00] <Yagisan> hmm. soccer on soon. Time to see if we choke.
[02:01] <Daemon> lets hope not!
[02:02] <Yagisan> Australia vs Japan will be an interesting match at my place.
[02:03] <Daemon> i think it will be a good match either way, although I'm not sure how japan have been performing recently
[02:04] <Yagisan> Daemon: well, I'm Aussie, and the wife is Japanese. should be lots of fireworks.
[02:05] <Yagisan> Daemon: although, it seems Japan isn't confident of this game
[02:07] <Daemon> Yagisan: makes for a good match then, like when state of origin is on :)
[02:08] <Yagisan> Daemon: yep. It was "interesting" being the only blues supporter in a QLD pub, when I was in QLD
[02:09] <Daemon> blues supporter?  *gets out the cricket bat* :)  I mainly show an interest because my wife is a blues supporter and she's living in qld :)
[02:09] <Yagisan> right - I'm off to get nibblies, and something to bribe the kids to be quiet.
[02:10] <Yagisan> Daemon: of course blues. I'm not wasting my money at the TAB :-P
[02:10] <Daemon> heh, can't deny that at the moment
[02:21] <tseng> that was brilliant
[02:21] <tseng> some manager here removed my access to the data center
[02:22] <zul> oh oh...
[02:22] <havoc> tseng: nice
[02:34] <havoc> \sh: morning
[02:45] <\sh> moins
[04:02] <pmjdebruijn> hi, how do I make symlink from my debian/rules? it can't find anything about a dh_symlink
[04:02] <pmjdebruijn> just symlink to ./debian/package-name/... then?
[04:04] <dholbach> dh_link
[04:05] <dholbach> or debian/links
[04:05] <pmjdebruijn> ah cool... thankyou!
[04:05] <pmjdebruijn> dholbach, hmm oh? which is cleaner? or more preferable?
[04:05] <dholbach> i prefer debian/links
[04:05] <pmjdebruijn> considering my application, I would go with dh_link
[04:05] <dholbach> but others might prefer other solutions
[04:05] <pmjdebruijn> oh
[04:05] <pmjdebruijn> ok
[04:05] <dholbach> if you have a lot of links your debian/rules get cluttered up
[04:06] <dholbach> and if you don't need the link anymore you just remove the file
[04:06] <dholbach> but it's not much to bother with
[04:06] <dholbach> throw a coin :-)
[04:06] <bddebian> Heya gang
[04:08] <Hobbsee> heya dholbach and bddebian
[04:09] <Hobbsee> much better than a coin :P
[04:09] <bddebian> Good luck lifting my fat ass to throw me :-)
[04:10] <Hobbsee> haha true - i'm not that big and strong :P
[04:11] <dholbach> so you're having a good time... :-)
[04:11] <havoc> \sh: so I finally got zoneminder to build properly, but am still unable to get it running :(
[04:11] <pmjdebruijn> hmm crap, OpenOffice.org doesn't follow symlinks somehow... :(
[04:11] <havoc> \sh: nph stuff is failing for the streams
[04:12] <havoc> \sh: you said some of your clients use zoneminder?
[04:23] <pmjdebruijn> http://www.xs4all.nl/~bruijn9/temp/openoffice.org-humanist-templates_0.4-2_all.deb
[04:28] <pmjdebruijn> if anybody is interested
[05:03] <\sh> havoc: zoneminder? no..I don't even know this app
[05:03] <havoc> \sh: I thought you said one of your clients used it?
[05:04] <\sh> havoc: no...what is zoneminder? I think someone else is using it, but I don't
[05:04] <havoc> 2006-06-11 10:29:19 <\sh> oha...I can try to grab for more infos on that piece of software....I have a company
[05:04] <havoc> 2006-06-11 10:29:26 <\sh> which uses this tool
[05:04] <havoc> \sh: zoneminder.com
[05:05] <havoc> http://www.zoneminder.com/
[05:06] <\sh> havoc: I think it was different from zoneminder...
[05:06] <havoc> ah
[05:06] <\sh> ah..now I know :)
[05:07] <\sh> it was an old customer...I'll have to contact him somehow...
[05:07] <havoc> ah
[05:07] <havoc> I only mention it bacuase you sounded interested
[05:23] <Yagisan> Daemon: well. that was an interesting match
[05:24] <jsgotangco> meh!
[05:24] <jsgotangco> Yagisan: pure luck!
[05:25] <Daemon> Yagisan: indeed, tense end of the match :)
[05:27] <Yagisan> jsgotangco: I don't disagree. All 4 goals were pure luck
[05:29] <Yagisan> Daemon: the end was the best bit. Even got my wifes interest when they were all desperate
[05:29] <Yagisan> now to put the kids to bed
[05:30] <Daemon> time to put myself to bed I think :)
[05:40] <Hobbsee> :(
[05:41] <Kyral_FreeBSD> anyone have a way to spellcheck a datastream in a pipeline that is better than "grep -f /usr/share/dict/words"
[05:44] <Mithrandir> use ispell or aspell?
[05:44] <Kyral_FreeBSD> ah yes, but I need to kill the misspelled words in the middle of the pipeline :P
[05:44] <Kyral_FreeBSD> I'm basically trying to clean up a strings dump of a MSWord file
[05:45] <hub> Kyral_FreeBSD: try enchant
[05:45] <Kyral_FreeBSD> wazzat?
[05:46] <Kyral_FreeBSD> Keep in mind it pretty much has to work in the middle of a pipeline
[05:47] <phanatic> afternoon everyone
[05:48] <Kyral_FreeBSD> Then again I could be lazy and just nuke all non-alpha numeric characters
[06:43] <Sp4rKy> please, where could i get help about .desktop format ?
[06:43] <bddebian> Sp4rKy: What's the issue?
[06:43] <Sp4rKy> because i've a .desktop file which seems to doesn't work
[06:43] <bddebian> It's in /usr/share/applications?
[06:43] <Sp4rKy> yes
[06:44] <bddebian> Does it not show up or it doesn't run?
[06:44] <Sp4rKy> but i'm not sure Categories=Application;AudioVideo;GTK is good
[06:44] <Sp4rKy> it is not shows up
[06:45] <bddebian> Ahh, hang on a sec
[06:45] <Sp4rKy> k
[06:45] <Sp4rKy> http://pastebin.com/704611
[06:46] <Sp4rKy> it's the .desktop
[06:46] <bddebian> Try Application;AudioVideo;Audio;
[06:47] <Sp4rKy> ok i'll try
[06:47] <Sp4rKy> thx
[06:49] <Sp4rKy> i use e17 so .desktop doesn't be used
[06:49] <Sp4rKy> so if i dput my package does anyone could test it for me
[06:50] <ogra> dont use an absolute path for your icon
[06:51] <Sp4rKy> ogra, so what kind of link must i use ?
[06:51] <ogra> no link
[06:52] <ogra> only devede.png
[06:52] <Sp4rKy> k
[06:53] <neutrinomass> Sp4rKy: Hi. The GenericName is not supposed to be used like that AFAIK ...
[06:54] <neutrinomass> Sp4rKy: KDE uses the GenericName in parentheses (default, this is configurable) so what you'll get under KDE is a menu entry : DeVeDe (Create your own video DVDs) which is too long for a menu. You could "Video Editor", or omit it ...
[06:55] <Sp4rKy> k
[06:55] <Sp4rKy> so i'll need to do a patch :p
[06:56] <bddebian> Actdually don't even put devede.png, just use devede
[06:56] <neutrinomass> Sp4rKy: As ogra said, no absolute icons are neccessary. Not even the file extension is neccessary (devede is enough). I've been told that .pngs aren't easy to put in .debs either, so you might want to convert it to xpm
[06:56] <bddebian> Someone may want to throw in a .xpm :)
[06:56] <bddebian> Oh, whoops, hehe :)
[06:57] <neutrinomass> bddebian: There's a bunch of .desktops waiting for you you know ;)
[06:57] <bddebian> Me?  What do I know? :-)
[06:57] <Sp4rKy> but how could i convert it and generate a package with original source ?
[06:57] <neutrinomass> Sp4rKy: I'm clueless so I use the Gimp ... as to the package, I'm not sure, I can't package anything :)
[06:57] <bddebian> apt-get source, change it, add changelog entry dpkg-buildpackage -S and upload ;-P
[06:58] <Sp4rKy> bddebian, this software isn't already packaged
[06:58] <bddebian> Ahhh
[06:58] <bddebian> Package it and stick it on REVU :-)
[07:00] <Sp4rKy> i'm sorry , but i don't understand how can i package it without modifying .png without modify source :/
[07:01] <bddebian> Why do you need to modify the png?
[07:02] <bddebian> neutrinomass: If it's in the original source (or added to the original source) it's fine
[07:02] <Sp4rKy> because you've said "Someone may want to throw in a .xpm :)"
[07:02] <bddebian> But you can't add a binary file to the package unless you update the original source
[07:02] <neutrinomass> bddebian: Oh, ok :-/ I'll hopefully learn to package stuff during the summer
[07:02] <bddebian> Sp4rKy: I meant someone may use their own xpm icon or something
[07:03] <Sp4rKy> so i keep the .png ?
[07:03] <bddebian> Grr
[07:03] <bddebian> I mean inside the .desktop, just use  icon=devede
[07:04] <bddebian> That way if I create my own devede.xpm (as a user), I could just copy devede.xpm into /usr/share/pixmaps and it gets picked up automatically instead of having to modify devede.desktop
[07:05] <Sp4rKy> ok
[07:05] <Sp4rKy> i'm sorry
[07:05] <Sp4rKy> i didn't understand :(
[07:06] <bddebian> No worries
[07:06] <Laser_away> Sp4rKy: don't worry, bddebian is just a cranky old man ;-)
[07:06] <Sp4rKy> :)
[07:07] <bddebian> Was I being cranky?
[07:07] <bddebian> If so I didn't mean to
[07:07] <Sp4rKy> http://pastebin.com/704649 <== so should be a good .desktop ?
[07:07] <bddebian> Hi Laser_away
[07:08] <bddebian> Sp4rKy: You will need a ; and the end of Categories but otherwise it looks good
[07:08] <neutrinomass> Sp4rKy: Add a final semi-column to the Categories and it should be perfect
[07:08] <LaserJock> bddebian: I think the "Grr" part might have been interpreted that way accidentally :-)
[07:08] <bddebian> Sp4rKy: Run desktop-file-validate on it
[07:08] <bddebian> LaserJock: Ah, sorry
[07:10] <Sp4rKy> devede-1.6/devede.desktop: warning: non-standard key "MultipleArgs" lacks the "X-" prefix
[07:10] <Sp4rKy> what's wrong ?
[07:11] <bddebian> Ah, that's a KDE thing.  The new Spec says that they should be X-MultipleArgs=  now
[07:11] <Sp4rKy> ok
[07:11] <Sp4rKy> seems good :)
[07:13] <Sp4rKy> dputed :) thx for your help MOTUs !
[07:13] <LaserJock> \o/
[07:13] <bddebian> Sp4rKy: No, thank YOU :-)
[07:14] <Sp4rKy> :D
[07:15] <Sp4rKy> you help me a lot with my LOT of issues :) so thank you :)
[07:15] <JohnnyMast> LaserJock hey mate
[07:16] <LaserJock> hi JohnnyMast
[07:16] <JohnnyMast> any news since the last talk ?
[07:16] <LaserJock> what kinda news? :-)
[07:16] <LaserJock> I've been busy, busy, busy
[07:16] <JohnnyMast> are there known bugs about keyboards the dont work anymore (or not good) since final ?
[07:17] <LaserJock> I think this has been my most hectic semester in the 8 years I've been at uni
[07:17] <LaserJock> JohnnyMast: not that I know, but I really wouldn't know
[07:17] <JohnnyMast> specialy for laptops i mean
[07:17] <JohnnyMast> in that case i should file it
[07:18] <JohnnyMast> since Final i have to press Winkey + l to see my 'l'
[07:18] <LaserJock> weird
[07:18] <JohnnyMast> and left == function key + left
[07:18] <JohnnyMast> once i hacked the bug ile file the bug and patch
[07:20] <LaserJock> raphink!
[07:21] <JohnnyMast> theres an other old friend :)
[07:21] <raphink> hi LaserJock
[07:21] <Sp4rKy> hi raphink
[07:21] <raphink> hi Sp4rKy
[07:22] <jpatrick> hi raphink
[07:22] <raphink> hi jpatrick
[07:24] <jpatrick> long time, no IRC
[07:25] <raphink> still have no internet at home
[07:26] <LaserJock> ack
[07:27] <LaserJock> what's the fun of living on the French Riviera if you can't stay in all day and chat with us?
[07:28] <raphink> yes I know :(
[07:28] <raphink> I just have to deal with it
[07:28] <raphink> go to the beach
[07:28] <raphink> play volley ball, go swimm
[07:28] <raphink> hike in the moutains
[07:28] <raphink> overall I think I'm surviving
[07:28] <LaserJock> bummer, I feel for you man ;-)
[07:28] <raphink> haha
[07:29] <raphink> don't think I'll make it to Paris eventually
[07:29] <raphink> my boss wants me to begin work on thursday
[07:29] <raphink> :s
[07:29] <LaserJock> :'(
[07:30] <raphink> well we'll see
[07:30] <raphink> and if I can't, it'll be for another time
[07:31] <LaserJock> true
[07:35] <Sp4rKy> please , does anyone could dl http://tiber.tauware.de/~gauvain/devede_1.6-0ubuntu1_i386.deb and test over gnome if .desktop works
[07:42] <Gloubiboulga> done, the problem is the Exec entry
[07:43] <Sp4rKy> :)
[09:07] <jose> hi
[09:08] <LaserJock> hi JohnnyMast
[09:08] <LaserJock> doh
[09:08] <LaserJock> jose
[09:08] <JohnnyMast> hehe
[09:08] <jpatrick> LaserJock: Hola Jose!
[09:08] <jpatrick> it's*
[09:09] <jose> I uploaded gnomecatalog at 10 june. What is the next to enter in multiverse?
[09:09] <LaserJock> jose: uploaded to where?
[09:09] <jose> i have to wait to someone review it? it isnt?
[09:09] <jose> revu
[09:09] <jose> laserlock: to revu
[09:09] <Kyral_FreeBSD> whee
[09:10] <jose> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1560
[09:10] <LaserJock> well, we haven't really hit the REVU stuff to hard yet because edgy isn't really set up yet
[09:11] <jose> Ohh.. ok
[09:11] <dholbach> although it might be a good idea to review that stuff now
[09:11] <dholbach> we should try to get a revu day going again
[09:11] <dholbach> and some ongoing efforts
[09:11] <dholbach> that'd be lovely
[09:11] <Gloubiboulga> dholbach, I agree, there's too many packages waiting on REVU
[09:16] <phanatic> i'd be happy to help you, if there will be such a revu day :)
[09:17] <LaserJock> dholbach: and motu-school?
[09:17] <dholbach> LaserJock: we absolutely should get going on that one.
[09:17] <dholbach> LaserJock: I'll think about it in the next days.
[09:17] <LaserJock> EasyMOTUing or something I read on LP lately :-)
[09:19] <LaserJock> dholbach: I was hoping we could use the Packaging Guide for motu-school
[09:19] <dholbach> LaserJock:  I think we should do it in both directions
[09:19] <dholbach> LaserJock: if people give a talk on something, we have a log of which we can add stuff to the packaging guide or write other wiki docs of it
[09:20] <LaserJock> agreed
[09:20] <dholbach> i'm off - have a nice day!
[09:20] <LaserJock> cya dholbach
[10:05] <Kyral_FreeBSD> bddebian: it was libgc that you wanted me to test on Hurd>
[10:07] <bddebian> Kyral_FreeBSD: No need to test, I know it's broken.  Just fix it. ;-P
[10:08] <LaserJock> haha
[10:08] <Kyral_FreeBSD> I'm gonna LAUGH if it compiles right] 
[10:09] <bddebian> Oh I can get it to build with some patching but the tests fail miserably
[10:10] <LaserJock> oh wow, lots of gnome stuff in dapper-changes
[10:12] <Kyral_FreeBSD> bddebian: I have never seen this lib before, let alone know what it does and you expect me to FIX it?!
[10:12] <Kyral_FreeBSD> You put more faith in my abilities than I do
[10:13] <LaserJock> do what bddebian does an just fake it ;-) j/k bddebian
[10:19] <bddebian> LaserJock: You are oohh so right
[10:19] <Kyral_FreeBSD> because BDDEBIAN IS GOD :P
[10:19] <bddebian> pfft
[10:27] <zul> heylo
[10:31] <bddebian> Heya zul
[10:31] <zul> hey bddebian how goes it?
[10:31] <bddebian> Same as always thanks.  You?
[10:31] <crimsun_> 'afternoon, zul, bddebian
[10:31] <zul> going good im at home which is good
[10:32] <zul> hey crimsun_
[10:32] <Spec> Lintian is giving me: description-synopsis-might-not-be-phrased-properly
[10:32] <Spec> what's the proper way to phrase the description synopsis?
[10:33] <crimsun_> paste the ^Description:
[10:33] <Spec> Description: Conexant AccessRunner chipset firmware extracter.
[10:33] <Spec>  This program is designed to extract firmware out of drivers for
[10:33] <Spec>  the conexant AccessRunner chipset.
[10:34] <crimsun_> it's better phrased (according to lintian, at least) as: firmware extracter for the Conexant AccessRunner chipset
[10:37] <Spec> how can i get lintian to give me it's suggestions?
[10:37] <Kyral_FreeBSD> lintian -vv :D
[10:37] <Kyral_FreeBSD> err
[10:37] <crimsun_> -v -i
[10:37] <Kyral_FreeBSD> lintian -vi:D
[10:37] <Spec> what's i?
[10:37] <Kyral_FreeBSD> Informative
[10:37] <Kyral_FreeBSD> :P
[10:37] <Spec> ah, very ... informative.
[10:39] <Spec> hah, lintian doesn't give me any errors
[10:39] <Spec> should I upload to REVU if I think ubuntu deserves this package?
[10:40] <hub> Spec: sure
[10:41] <zul> i wouldnt
[10:42] <crimsun_> hub: it'll get rejected almost immediately
[10:42] <hub> crimsun_: ?
[10:42] <crimsun_> oh
[10:42] <crimsun_> sorry, I misparsed updating as uploading
[10:43] <hub> crimsun_: yeah. updating my machine
[10:43] <hub> no uploading packages to edgy
[10:43] <hub> I'll update my pending packages to edgy on REVU
[10:43] <crimsun_> I see "edgy", and I immediately associate it with "upload" for some reason :-)
[10:43] <hub> crimsun_: leaving in the edge?
[10:43] <hub> s/in/on/g
[10:43] <crimsun_> nah, I don't love breakage /that/ much :-)
[10:48] <bddebian> Heya crimsun_
[10:55] <zul> ick...americans sucked at the world cup
[10:55] <LaserJock> hehe
[10:55] <LaserJock> the what?
[10:55] <zul> soccer world cup
[10:55] <LaserJock> I should have put a ;-) on there
[10:56] <hub> the what?
[10:57] <zul> or for europeans football
[10:57] <hub> the what?
[10:59] <LaserJock> zul: bah, that's not football ;-)
[11:03] <crimsun_> LaserJock: hence, "futbol" :-)
[11:03] <Spec> bah, my package forgets to include the binary into it :-/
[11:04] <crimsun_> forgets -> packager error  :p
[11:05] <Spec> but the logs looks like it builds it :p
[11:07] <crimsun_> builds it != moves it to the correct place prior to dh_installdeb
[11:07] <ryanakca> I take it that this is a bug in the code, and not a pacakging error http://pastebin.ca/64942 ?
[11:07] <NthDegree> crimsun_ what's the best fs for building/compiling things in (just that, nothing else)
[11:08] <crimsun_> NthDegree: question's too vague
[11:09] <NthDegree> crimsun_ ok if I were to mount a partition for pbuilder to build cr@p in which one would be best
[11:09] <crimsun_> ryanakca: yes, the declaration needs to be updated. gcc4 is much more strict for C++.
[11:09] <crimsun_> sorry, GCC 4 (not gcc but g++)
[11:09] <crimsun_> NthDegree: what sort of stuff do you intend to build? ext3 is a good default.
[11:11] <Spec> crimsun_: how do I determine what's failing?
[11:11] <Spec> --debug?
[11:11] <crimsun_> Spec: look at the pbuilder build log and the contents of the generated deb{,s}
[11:11] <Spec> oo, debug is very verbose
[11:13] <NthDegree> things could be as small as qtella or as big as an updated DE or web browser, the partition is dedicated for pbuilder's build environment
[11:14] <crimsun_> NthDegree: if you're uncertain, there's no reason to deviate from the default ext3
[11:14] <crimsun_> ext3 generally offers the most flexibility, too, particularly if you use lvm
[11:14] <ryanakca> crimsun_: and how would I do that? change the code?
[11:14] <Spec> crimsun_: wanna briefly look at my pbuilder log? :-/
[11:15] <crimsun_> ryanakca: yes
[11:15] <ryanakca> crimsun_: so much for that :)
[11:15] <ryanakca> crimsun_: I can't reall mess around with code...
[11:16] <ryanakca> I can't code. at all... and no, html isn't coding.
[11:16] <NthDegree> crimsun_, i use ext3 for the operating system, reiserfs for a personal files partition and now I want the optimal FS type for pbuilder to use
[11:16] <crimsun_> NthDegree: again, "optimal" varies with workload and use
[11:17] <Spec> http://dc.ubuntu-us.org/~spec/output.txt  <- pbuilder output
[11:17] <crimsun_> NthDegree: my inclination is to use either ext3 or XFS, but if flexibility is key, then I'd go with ext3
[11:17] <Spec> looks like it installs into the DESTDIR just fine :-/
[11:18] <NthDegree> crimsun_ when I set up kubuntu it's without all the services like LVM/RAID, cron, anacron etc. so extras like that aren't a consideration :)
[11:22] <crimsun_> sec, being swamped
[11:22] <ryanakca> when running dh_make, how can you tell if its a single binary or multiple?
[11:22] <LaserJock> wheither you want to create more than 1 .deb out of the source package
[11:24] <Spec> LaserJock: are you busy? :)
[11:36] <Spec> ah hah, got it fixed
[11:36] <Spec> it was a non-existant slash that needed to exist :-/
[11:37] <LaserJock> \o/, glad I could help ;-)
[11:38] <Spec> i threatened the package with your name and alas, it worked :)
[11:38] <LaserJock> heh
[11:39] <Spec> but now i get other errors from lintian that need fixing
[11:40] <LaserJock> threaten it wit the name of Bddebian and see if that works
[11:44] <Spec> i get a lot of warnings concerning: "no utmp entry available and LOGNAME not defined; using uid of process (1234)", is this okay?
[11:44] <crimsun_> that's safely ignored.
[11:44] <Spec> thought so
[11:46] <Spec> woohoo, lintian loves me!
[11:46] <Spec> *and* the files are actually in the package
[11:46] <crimsun_> good work
[11:49] <Spec> how do I upload to REVU with dput?
[11:49] <Spec> dput revu ?
[11:50] <LaserJock> dput revu _source.changes
[11:50] <NthDegree> Spec try dput blah-blah.changes
[11:50] <Spec> yay
[11:51] <Spec> how long until it shows up @ revu.tauware.de ?
[11:51] <NthDegree> oops
[11:51] <NthDegree> i uploaded mine to upload.ubuntu.com or w/e the default is
[11:52] <Spec> i think default is revu
[11:52] <NthDegree> nah it went to upload.ubuntu.com i'm surr
[11:52] <Spec> wait, wait, no, it's not :p
[11:52] <NthDegree> sure*
[11:52] <Spec> will I get an e-mail when something happens with my package?
[11:54] <Spec> you suck
[11:54] <Spec> :p
[11:56] <NthDegree> bbiab sorting out blobuntu (yeah I made my kubuntu bloated when I didn't have to :( )
[12:02] <Spec> ok, gotta go
[12:02] <Spec> hopefully the revu thing is magical, i'll check in tomorrow
[12:02] <ryanakca> when running dh_make, how can you tell if its a single binary or multiple?