[12:06] <EmxBA> ok
[12:06] <EmxBA> what should i do now?
[12:07] <EmxBA> bluekuja, could you be faster please
[12:07] <EmxBA> i need help RIGHT now
[12:07] <EmxBA> :-) really
[12:07] <EmxBA> i've sent my key to ubuntu server with command written there
[12:08] <bluekuja> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GnuPrivacyGuardHowto?action=show&redirect=GPGKey#head-b54d61303895f1d048333715a2a372923aad22a8
[12:08] <EmxBA> ok
[12:11] <EmxBA> again it says "No public key"
[12:11] <EmxBA> in UbuntuCodeOfConduct.txt.asc
[12:11] <LaserJock> you sure you have a key?
[12:11] <LaserJock> gpg --list-keys
[12:11] <bluekuja> LaserJock: :D
[12:11] <EmxBA> yes
[12:11] <EmxBA> i do
[12:12] <EmxBA> pub   1024D/A26B8018 2006-06-12
[12:12] <EmxBA> uid                  Emir Beganovic <emx@linux.org.ba>
[12:12] <EmxBA> sub   2048g/BDE8CF11 2006-06-12
[12:12] <EmxBA> pub   2048R/E452E3F5 2006-06-12
[12:12] <EmxBA> uid                  Emir Beganovic <emx@linux.org.ba>
[12:13] <LaserJock> and did you put your gpg key in LP
[12:13] <EmxBA> LP?
[12:13] <LaserJock> launchpad
[12:13] <EmxBA> where right
[12:13] <EmxBA> into https://launchpad.net/codeofconduct/1.0.1/+sign ?
[12:14] <LaserJock> no
[12:14] <EmxBA> than where?
[12:14] <LaserJock> I'm saying at your LP page
[12:14] <EmxBA> oh...
[12:14] <EmxBA> ok
[12:14] <LaserJock> there is a link on the left to add your gpg key
[12:14] <EmxBA> just my gpg key
[12:14] <EmxBA> ok
[12:14] <EmxBA> on OpenGPG keys?
[12:14] <LaserJock> yeah
[12:14] <EmxBA> ok
[12:16] <EmxBA> and gow can i decrypct message
[12:16] <bluekuja> pygi: mario!!!
[12:17] <HedgeMage> bluekuja: he went away :(
[12:17] <HedgeMage> oh he's back!
[12:17] <EmxBA> "Please paste a clear-signed copy of the following phrase into the text box below."
[12:17] <HedgeMage> sorry, I'm a little slow today
[12:17] <EmxBA> which phrase
[12:17] <EmxBA> ?
[12:17] <pygi> hey Andrea, hey Susan
[12:17] <EmxBA> anyone?
[12:17] <pygi> how are you? :)
[12:18] <EmxBA> can anyone help me, please
[12:18] <bluekuja> really good mario, you?
[12:18] <EmxBA> bluekujea?
[12:18] <EmxBA> bluekuja?
[12:18] <bluekuja> EmxBA: whats the problem?
[12:18] <EmxBA>  "Please paste a clear-signed copy of the following phrase into the text box below."
[12:18] <pygi> bluekuja, I am great, thanks for asking ;)
[12:18] <EmxBA> which phrase exactly
[12:18] <bluekuja> pygi: :)
[12:18] <pygi> EmxBA, the signed copy of CoC
[12:19] <bluekuja> yep
[12:19] <EmxBA> where is that signed copy 
[12:19] <pygi> bluekuja, I'll have a package ready for you for "Extras" 
[12:19] <bluekuja> you have to sign it
[12:19] <EmxBA> i signed it
[12:19] <EmxBA> with one command
[12:19] <bluekuja> pygi: great!!
[12:19] <pygi> worlds "most bad" burning application ever :P
[12:19] <bluekuja> i'm waiting it
[12:19] <EmxBA> which command
[12:19] <bluekuja> oh nice 
[12:20] <pygi> HedgeMage, just you pounce :P
[12:20] <bluekuja> I'll request branches for fc-4 and fc-3 too
[12:20] <bluekuja> (fc-5 included)
[12:20] <EmxBA> bluekuja: help me please
[12:20] <EmxBA> Launchpad could not verify your signature: No public key!
[12:20] <EmxBA> !
[12:20] <ubotu> Some people juggle geese. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, EmxBA
[12:21] <pygi> EmxBA, you need to sync it with servers
[12:21] <pygi> any
[12:21] <EmxBA> which command
[12:21] <pygi> EmxBA, bleh, use "seahorse" to do it
[12:21] <pygi> sudo apt-get install seahorse
[12:21] <pygi> bluekuja, bonefire, if you ever heard of that =P
[12:21] <pygi> bonfire*
[12:22] <EmxBA> ok
[12:22] <bluekuja> pygi: mmm.... i dont remember that name, have you got an homepage for it?
[12:22] <EmxBA> i already installed it
[12:22] <EmxBA> what should i do now?
[12:22] <pygi> bluekuja, yes, but it's bad. so rather not show :P
[12:22] <bluekuja> :D ok
[12:22] <pygi> EmxBA, you can click "Publish keys" or something simmilar :P
[12:22] <pygi> bluekuja, working on better site tho
[12:23] <EmxBA> ok
[12:23] <EmxBA> and what now?
[12:23] <bluekuja> pygi: great, when final website release is out tell me
[12:23] <pygi> EmxBA, now wait half an hour :P
[12:23] <EmxBA> really
[12:23] <EmxBA> ?
[12:24] <pygi> yes :P
[12:24] <pygi> bluekuja, http://gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=1158
[12:24] <pygi> new version will be out tommorow
[12:24] <pygi> (or today while we'r at it :) )
[12:24] <EmxBA> and after half an hour
[12:24] <EmxBA> then what?
[12:24] <pygi> EmxBA, then you paste signed copy
[12:25] <EmxBA> and where do i get it
[12:25] <EmxBA> pygi, where do you live
[12:25] <LaserJock> EmxBA: you make it
[12:25] <EmxBA> mario, pricaj hrvatski :D
[12:25] <EmxBA> idi na privatne :D
[12:25] <pygi> EmxBA, bleh, stop talking non-english language in this channel :P
[12:26] <EmxBA> :P
[12:26] <bluekuja> pygi: great application, 
[12:26] <EmxBA> do not laugh me :D
[12:26] <bluekuja> lets move to it
[12:26] <bluekuja> hehe
[12:26] <EmxBA> :D
[12:26] <pygi> bluekuja, bleh, current version is piece of junk :P
[12:26] <bluekuja> :D screenshoots are realllly cool
[12:26] <bluekuja> :)
[12:27] <pygi> bluekuja, bleh, the UI is greatest part of the junk in the app :P
[12:27] <bluekuja> lol
[12:27] <bluekuja> well that's something that i like a lot
[12:27] <bluekuja> ^^
[12:29] <pygi> bluekuja, bleh, 0.3.9 changed quite a lot in UI
[12:30] <pygi> (not that much actually :P)
[12:30] <bluekuja> do you will provide me an already done package?
[12:30] <bluekuja> if not i'll do it
[12:30] <pygi> yup, already done package
[12:31] <bluekuja> oh ok perfect
[12:31] <bluekuja> ;)
[12:31] <bluekuja> provide me .spec file, and src.rpm
[12:31] <pygi> If it's bad, please feel free to change it :P
[12:31] <pygi> bleh, what? I thought of providing just pure rpm :)
[12:31] <bluekuja> hehe, i'll review it
[12:31] <pygi> oki, so both spec and src.rpm
[12:32] <bluekuja> yeah, i don't need rpm
[12:32] <bluekuja> only spec and src
[12:32] <pygi> oki :)
[12:32] <bluekuja> ;)
[12:32] <pygi> the "release script" is building packages for me :P
[12:33] <bluekuja> lol
[12:34] <bluekuja> rpmlint it after build
[12:34] <pygi> really, I wrote a script we use for test building with all possible configure options, and build .deb and .rpm :)
[12:34] <bluekuja> oh cool
[12:35] <bluekuja> anyway remember to rpmlint, if it's clean I'll move to mock review
[12:35] <pygi> oki, whatever rpmlint is :P :)
[12:35] <bluekuja> :D
[12:36] <bluekuja> just rpmfind for it
[12:36] <pygi> bleh :)
[12:37] <pygi> and sadly, ubuntu people aren't able to run bonfire :(
[12:37] <bluekuja> oh y?
[12:38] <pygi> requires gnome 2.14.2 ;-/
[12:38] <bluekuja> pygi: can you make it for this thursday?
[12:39] <pygi> what? package?
[12:39] <bluekuja> i'll be away for one week
[12:39] <bluekuja> yeah
[12:39] <pygi> package will be ready tommorow
[12:39] <bluekuja> great
[12:39] <bluekuja> so it will be available in yum for wednesday, thursday
[12:39] <bluekuja> ping me tomorrow
[12:40] <bluekuja> not in the evening/night
[12:40] <pygi> oki :)
[12:40] <bluekuja> tnx :)
[12:40] <pygi> no, thank you ;)
[12:41] <bluekuja> np mario :)
[12:41] <bluekuja> mhz is with us
[12:43] <pygi> hey mhz ;)
[12:43] <pygi> bluekuja, ok, so I stop bothering you now :P
[12:47] <bluekuja> pygi: np :) , I'm here if you need something
[12:49] <pygi> bluekuja, don't you sleep? :P
[12:50] <mhz> bluekuja: hey, sorry guys... today is holiday... family stuff :(
[12:50] <bluekuja> pygi: anyway I'm really tired now
[12:50] <bluekuja> mhz: hello!!
[12:50] <bluekuja> np man
[12:51] <bluekuja> pygi: summer is started, parties too
[12:51] <pygi> bluekuja, hehe :)
[12:51] <bluekuja> so every night we return at six o'clock
[12:51] <bluekuja> in the morning 
[12:51] <bluekuja> ^^
[12:51] <mhz> pygi: hi
[12:52] <pygi> hey hey mhz ;)
[12:52] <pygi> enjoy your holiday :P
[12:52] <pygi> bluekuja, which is nice :P
[12:52] <mhz> bluekuja: not healthy
[12:53] <bluekuja> mhz: I know but i can't say no to girls
[12:53] <bluekuja> what do you guys think?
[12:53] <bluekuja> :D
[12:54] <mhz> bluekuja: the more you say no to girls, the more they want you
[12:54] <bluekuja> mhz: lol, thats true
[12:54] <bluekuja> omg, spider near keyboard
[12:54] <bluekuja> one moment  tnx
[12:58] <LaserJock> bah, I'm so boring, I go to bed ~11:00pm and get up about ~8:00pm and go to school
[12:58] <LaserJock> lol, 8:00am I mean
[12:59] <pygi> LaserJock, bleh :P
[12:59] <bluekuja> LaserJock: nice :D
[01:00] <LaserJock> bluekuja: don't let it win :-)
[01:01] <bluekuja> LaserJock: lol, he's hiding in the dark
[01:01] <LaserJock> coward
[01:02] <mhz> LaserJock: well, not boring, at all. It is what you do what really counts, doesn't matter who with or where
[01:02] <bluekuja> LaserJock: i have to find it, i don't want to sleep with him
[01:02] <bluekuja> ^^
[01:03] <LaserJock> well, I'm boring all the way around, Paris will be the most exciting thing I've done in a long time
[01:05] <bluekuja> LaserJock: no parties for you?
[01:05] <LaserJock> nope
[01:05] <mhz> LaserJock: I hardly ever go out of the house.. and I don't have a boring life. Actually, I could easily say I do much more stuff than many people around me.
[01:05] <LaserJock> I'm too busy working on Ubuntu and doing research and working on the house and hanging out with my wife to party
[01:06] <bluekuja> LaserJock: i forgot that you're married
[01:06] <bluekuja> ^^
[01:07] <LaserJock> yeah, I'd be working on Ubuntu 24x7 if I wasn't married :-)
[01:08] <bluekuja> :D
[01:10] <bluekuja> i go 
[01:10] <bluekuja> cya pygi, LaserJock ,mhz
[01:10] <bluekuja> see you all tomorrow
[01:10] <pygi> bye bluekuja, enjoy ;)
[01:10] <bluekuja> (pygi ping me when done)
[01:10] <bluekuja> :)
[01:10] <bluekuja> ciao all
[01:12] <Burgwork> hey bddebian 
[01:13] <bddebian> Howdy folks
[01:13] <bddebian> Heya Burgwork
[01:13] <pygi> hey Burgwork, bddebian 
[01:13] <mhz> nn bluekuja 
[01:14] <mhz> LaserJock: see? very much to do
[01:14] <bddebian> Hi pygi
[01:15] <pygi> laters all ;)
[01:15] <bddebian> Bye pygi
[01:16] <LaserJock> mhz: but still boring
[01:16] <LaserJock> hi bddebian 
[01:16] <bddebian> Heya LaserJock
[01:17] <mhz> LaserJock: well, I am sorry you feel it is boring. Maybe you have to re-love the things you do, those small details.
[01:17] <mhz> ;)
[01:17] <LaserJock> yes, words of wisdom there mhz 
[01:24] <mhz> LaserJock: hehe, well, I am not trying to bug you on the topic, but I've been married twice, and 1 thing I really got after those experiences is that it is up to us to love what we do. Else, the 1st feeling we get... is that we have a boring life compared to the rest of  people. However, we do have many things they do not. And, at least me, fell very well with the hours I dedicate to stuff like Edubuntu, social work, my kids, and poker :D
[01:30] <HedgeMage> Okay, for anyone who's interested, TT really needs some attention so I'm taking him down to the pool.  I promise I'll get the Edubuntu Cookbook meeting notes done ASAP upon our return
[03:43] <jsgotangco> hi
[03:49] <HedgeMage> hi jsgotangco 
[03:49] <HedgeMage> what's up?
[03:49] <jsgotangco> boring tuesday at work
[03:51] <HedgeMage> heh
[05:42] <CuriousG> does anyone know how to edit the logout menu items?
[05:42] <CuriousG> I need to remove hibernate
[05:43] <HedgeMage> nope, I don't... ogra or someone probably will, though
[05:44] <CuriousG> The product isn't usable if regular users can go into hibernation and basically turn off the server.
[05:45] <HedgeMage> ewww
[05:46] <HedgeMage> hang on a sec
[05:46] <HedgeMage> oh darn, I forgot... don't have my edubuntu box here (out for repairs) so I can't look :(
[05:46] <HedgeMage> there's got to be a way though
[05:48] <CuriousG> I should hope so.
[05:48] <CuriousG> I was told by someone else that it wasn't in his beta 2 install.
[05:48] <CuriousG> So somewhere along the line, they put that in there.
[05:49] <HedgeMage> that's really odd... have you asked on the mailing list yet?  if you can't wait around for someone knowledgeable in here to wake up, that's probably your best bet.
[05:50] <LaserJock> I just saw an email on the ML asking about it
[05:53] <HedgeMage> I *almost* have hubby convinced that it would be a good idea for him to give up his desktop computer for me to load Edubuntu for TT (and to use as a dedicated test box)
[05:55] <LaserJock> mwuahahaha
[05:55] <HedgeMage> Well, he got a new laptop that's more powerful (though the desktop is still great... if we give it to TT I may steal my graphics card back, though)
[05:56] <HedgeMage> oops
[05:59] <CuriousG> No I haven't asked but someone asked a similar question about hibernate on the 6th.  No response.
[05:59] <jsgotangco> hmm
[06:01] <jsgotangco> well you can disable the logout menu with pessulus
[06:07] <CuriousG> I don't need logout disabled but the hibernate option under logout
[07:05] <Amaranth> whew
[07:06] <Amaranth> i'm pretty sure i just sucessfully ported this bayesian library to sqlite
[07:06] <Amaranth> now i just need to work on an HTML tokenizer
[07:07] <LaserJock> \o/
[07:08] <Amaranth> \o/ indeed :)
[07:08] <Amaranth> once i get the tokenizer done i basically have the actual proxy bits done
[07:09] <Amaranth> so i just have to work on the pygtk and web frontends
[07:09] <LaserJock> way cool
[07:09] <Amaranth> yeah
[07:09] <LaserJock> and then your summer will be done! ;-)
[07:09] <Amaranth> and, bonus, i know how a 'Robinson-Fisher bayesian spam detection algorithm' works
[07:09] <Amaranth> :P
[07:10] <Amaranth> it'd be nice to finish early
[07:10] <bimberi> didn't willow do any of these things?
[07:10] <Amaranth> bimberi: willow was some nasty code and had license issues
[07:10] <bimberi> ah
[07:11] <Amaranth> i still don't know why it wanted to use pam
[07:11] <bimberi> say no more
[07:11] <Amaranth> heh
[07:11] <bimberi> do you have a name yet?
[07:12] <Amaranth> nope
[07:12] <LaserJock> smeg? ;-)
[07:12] <Amaranth> haha
[07:12] <Amaranth> you're not the first one to say that, actually
[07:13] <Amaranth> well, you might have been first but there were others :P
[07:13] <bimberi> :)
[07:13] <bimberi> kryten
[07:13] <bimberi> he's a cleaning robot after all
[07:15] <bimberi> blah - http://sourceforge.net/projects/kryten/
[07:15] <LaserJock> if there was a French word for spam...
[07:16] <LaserJock> although maybe you should go German this time or something
[07:21] <LaserJock> and everybody scatters
[07:22] <HedgeMage> lol
[07:52] <cbx33> what have I done?
[07:52] <jsgotangco> ?
[07:53] <cbx33> heheh
[07:53] <cbx33> hi jsgotangco 
[07:53] <cbx33> HedgeMage, did you get my mail then?
[07:54] <HedgeMage> nope, don't think so
[07:54] <HedgeMage> cbx33: not yet, when did you send it?
[07:54] <cbx33> a few mins ago
[07:55] <cbx33> titled Mock Logo
[07:55] <HedgeMage> hmmm
[07:56] <HedgeMage> nope, but now I'm just waiting for my hosting provider people to notice I'm checking every 5 seconds and /msg me to ask wtf is up :P
[07:57] <HedgeMage> (in my chair, not my email)
[08:03] <lucasvo> HedgeMage: answering your mail: You can create PDF files from docbook for printing
[08:04] <lucasvo> HedgeMage: Firefox can read docbook if it has a correct XSL
[08:04] <lucasvo> HedgeMage: I think Yelp has docbook support as well
[08:04] <lucasvo> I'll write an email about it.
[08:04] <lucasvo> got to go to school now
[08:04] <jsgotangco> yelp reads docbook natively
[08:05] <jsgotangco> and renders it with its own stylesheets
[08:05] <HedgeMage> ttyl lucasvo 
[08:05] <crimsun_> isn't conglomerate a docbook-styled (among others) editor?
[08:05] <jsgotangco> yes but not too stable
[08:06] <crimsun_> qemacs has a docbook mode
[08:08] <cbx33> right I gotta go eat....brb
[09:00] <spacey> dutch weather really sucks
[09:00] <spacey> today 33 degrees (yay!)
[09:00] <spacey> tomorrow 20 :)
[09:00] <HedgeMage> lol
[09:01] <Burgundavia> HedgeMage: did you catch my post?
[09:01] <HedgeMage> Burgundavia: yep, just read it :)
[09:01] <spacey> HedgeMage: nice go @ list
[09:02] <HedgeMage> Burgundavia: you made good points... if someone can show me a WYSIWYG docbook editor that is newbie friendly (someone posted some suggestions, I'll check them out before the meeting if I have time) I'm sold.
[09:02] <Burgundavia> HedgeMage: we are looking at moin-->docbook
[09:02] <Burgundavia> there is a Fedora SoC project doing this
[09:03] <Burgundavia> latex has the huge issue that it makes it harder to integrate with the rest of teh Ubuntu documentation
[09:04] <Burgundavia> you cannot use our build chain, our translation production, etc.
[09:04] <HedgeMage> yeah, but when that was the only thing going for docbook, that wasn't enough. You and others have made a larger case for it
[09:06] <HedgeMage> (it makes me glad we tabled the issue and set debate loose on the mailing list)
[09:08] <HedgeMage> hi JaneW :)
[09:08] <JaneW> hey HedgeMage 
[09:09] <jsgotangco> conglomerate
[09:09] <HedgeMage> jsgotangco: whomever mentioned that earlier said it's not very stable.  I haven't tried it yet, though. have you used it much?
[09:10] <HedgeMage> hey, *you're* the one who said it's not stable :P
[09:10] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco: I agree with HedgeMage that conglomerate is no good
[09:10] <HedgeMage> Burgundavia: apparently, so does jsgotangco... scroll up to about an hour ago 
[09:11] <Burgundavia> regardless, I see the gui editing of docbook as not a huge issue currently
[09:14] <HedgeMage> Burgundavia: I'm just trying to give us as many avenues to recruit new docpeople as possible.  If Edgy goes like Dapper did, I don't think we'll be done enough for print until another release down the road at least.
[09:14] <HedgeMage> Burgundavia: we had lots of volunteers, then most bailed.
[09:15] <Burgundavia> most volunteers bailing is a symptom of volunteers, not likely of the technology
[09:16] <Burgundavia> most of the volunteers on the wiki bail too
[09:16] <HedgeMage> I didn't mean it was due to the technology, I just meant that if volunteers don't have to be willing do do markup by hand, we have a bigger pool to recruit from.
[09:16] <HedgeMage> and, considering the fact that they often bail out, the more we start with the better
[09:16] <Burgundavia> true
[09:17] <spacey> hehe
[09:17] <spacey> we need clones
[09:17] <Burgundavia> you also want committed people, who will look through an unclear technology
[09:18] <spacey> can you imagine such a clone army of oss devs =)
[09:18] <Burgundavia> problem is, we grow through diversity
[09:19] <HedgeMage> yes, but, there *has* to be room in every project for people with only user-level technical knowledge to get their feet wet and feel that they've accomplished something... and documentation is usually it.  Often, if you can just get them to wade in they will pick up momentum and want to do and learn more.  Of course, if they think there are sharks in the water, they'll stay on the beach.
[09:19] <Burgundavia> cookie cutter solutions is what the current stuff is
[09:19] <Burgundavia> then those people who just want their feet wet can play in your wiki
[09:19] <spacey> in the end you need people how know their stuff
[09:20] <HedgeMage> spacey: I agree, I just think that if we catch 'em while they're just wading in and keep them interested, we'll get first pick of the cool people ;)
[09:20] <Burgundavia> people will come and go
[09:21] <Burgundavia> hence why you should latch yourself onto an existing project with existing tools
[09:21] <Burgundavia> the doc team is unlikely to go anywhere
[09:21] <HedgeMage> they're also unlikely to be too interested in what edubuntu is doing :P  I do agree that docbook is looking like the better solution now.  It was just under-represented at the meeting, I think
[09:22] <Burgundavia> actually, there is no sane reason to seperate out the partner projects in terms of docs
[09:23] <Burgundavia> anyway, I have to sleep
[09:23] <HedgeMage> sweet dreams, corey, and thanks for the info
[09:24] <jsgotangco> the current toolchain used isn't that hard really
[09:26] <jsgotangco> it could also be done on bzr, but its not really good on structured text
[09:27] <HedgeMage> What I know about bzr could fill a thimble :P
[09:27] <jsgotangco> its not hard
[09:27] <HedgeMage> that said, like anything else, I'd learn it if need be
[09:28] <HedgeMage> at the meeting, though, no one seemed to be pushing it
[09:28] <jsgotangco> sorry i wasn;t there i was sleeping
[09:30] <spacey> sleeping is really important jsgotangco
[09:31] <jsgotangco> ;)
[09:31] <spacey> lack of meetings won't get you killed:)
[09:31] <HedgeMage> jsgotangco: sleep? what's that?
[09:31] <HedgeMage> :P
[09:36] <Amaranth> weird bug
[09:37] <Amaranth> my idle handlers only gets called once inside my gobject mainloop
[09:38] <Amaranth> forgot return True
[09:41] <pygi> hey hey people ;)
[09:43] <HedgeMage> hey, pygi 
[09:44] <HedgeMage> pygi: have time for a quick /msg before I flee to bed for some shut-eye
[09:44] <HedgeMage> ?
[09:44] <pygi> yes, sure
[09:46] <Amaranth> pygi: i'm an HTML tokenizer and dbus interface away from the proxy part being done :)
[09:48] <pygi> Amaranth, heh, good progress ;)
[09:48] <cbx33> howz it all going
[09:48] <cbx33> pygi that issue we were having with python doesn't happen on my laptop
[09:49] <HedgeMage> cbx33: :D
[09:49] <cbx33> which is where I do all my dev at the mo
[09:49] <cbx33> which is probably why I never noticed it before
[09:49] <cbx33> hi HedgeMage 
[09:49] <Amaranth> hmm
[09:49] <cbx33> hey Amaranth 
[09:49] <cbx33> howz the SoC
[09:49] <Amaranth> com.realistanew.WillowNG or com.ubuntu.WillowNG?
[09:49] <Amaranth> still need anew name :P
[09:49] <cbx33> I thought of a few
[09:49] <pygi> cbx33, great ;)
[09:49] <cbx33> lemme dig them out
[09:49] <Amaranth> cbx33: <Amaranth> pygi: i'm an HTML tokenizer and dbus interface away from the proxy part being done :)
[09:50] <cbx33> ooooh nice
[09:50] <cbx33> you clever guy
[09:50] <Amaranth> heh
[09:51] <Amaranth> so, for the dbus interface, which is better: com.realistanew.WillowNG or com.ubuntu.WillowNG?
[09:51] <Amaranth> cbx33: I've had one year of a tech school that I slept through. ;)
[09:51] <cbx33> heh
[09:51] <cbx33> I have my degree
[09:52] <cbx33> but in acoustical engineering, which is just not wanted anywhere
[09:53] <Amaranth> com.ubuntu.WIllowNG it is
[09:53] <Amaranth> this is going to repeat the name about 10 times
[09:53] <cbx33> give me a better decription of what the program will do
[09:53] <cbx33> I'll try and come up with a name
[09:53] <Amaranth> it's a content filtering proxy
[09:54] <Amaranth> that's the most exact description possible
[09:54] <Amaranth> well, without getting into technical details
[09:54] <cbx33> ok
[09:54] <HedgeMage> cbx33: acoustical engineering? like making pretty places to sing? (i.e. with great acoustics) stuff like that?
[09:54] <cbx33> HedgeMage: indeed
[09:54] <HedgeMage> cbx33: heh neat
[09:54] <cbx33> amongst other things like automotive engineering
[09:54] <cbx33> fluid dynamics
[09:54] <cbx33> vibration
[09:55] <Amaranth> :(
[09:55] <Amaranth> I had to switch back to the threaded server.
[09:55] <Amaranth> So it could potentially use like 10MB RAM and never give it back.
[09:55] <cbx33> :(
[09:55] <Amaranth> Even if it only used 10MB once, for a couple seconds.
[09:55] <Amaranth> But if I fork I can't use sqlite
[09:56] <Amaranth> or any other small sane system for storing things
[09:57] <k31th> Bind or NSD ?
[09:59] <Amaranth> you want me to store my bayesian training info in bind? :P
[09:59] <k31th> nooo
[09:59] <k31th> :p
[09:59] <Amaranth> all i know about bind is this: Run.
[10:00] <k31th> BIND = Buggy Internet Name Deamon 
[10:01] <spacey> why can't you use sqlite when you fork? 
[10:01] <spacey> only one proces can write to it ?
[10:01] <Amaranth> spacey: correct
[10:01] <Amaranth> only one thread even
[10:02] <Amaranth> but with threads i can use the glib mainloop to break out into the main thread to work with sqlite
[10:02] <spacey> can't you use some IPC?
[10:02] <spacey> to communicate with the sqlite abled threat
[10:02] <spacey> thread even
[10:04] <Amaranth> it's easier this way
[10:04] <Amaranth> btw, how does "viridian" sound?
[10:04] <spacey> terrible :)
[10:05] <spacey> what does it mean?
[10:05] <HedgeMage> it's a color
[10:05] <cbx33> Metastasize
[10:05] <spacey> oh
[10:05] <cbx33> it means: to filter
[10:05] <spacey> pick an african word for it :P
[10:06] <Amaranth> i could use "verdigris" instead ;)
[10:06] <cbx33> proxifilt
[10:06] <Amaranth> heh
[10:07] <spacey> sounds like a medicine
[10:07] <Amaranth> metastasize is too...sciency
[10:07] <cbx33> heheh
[10:07] <cbx33> yeh
[10:07] <cbx33> WebPurify] 
[10:07] <Amaranth> i'm sure that's taken
[10:07] <Amaranth> i want a word that either means nothing or is rare
[10:07] <cbx33> k
[10:07] <cbx33> I'm, on it
[10:08] <pygi> Amaranth, "trinity"
[10:08] <spacey> Amaranth: take a random african word =)
[10:08] <spacey> trinity--
[10:08] <pygi> bleh :P
[10:08] <Amaranth> pygi: That's either geeky or religious. :P
[10:08] <HedgeMage> Amaranth: I know Latin... what are we naming?
[10:08] <cbx33> Sylva
[10:08] <cbx33> a title for a treatise on trees
[10:08] <Amaranth> HedgeMage: a content filtering proxy
[10:08] <pygi> Amaranth, none of that :P
[10:08] <spacey> Amaranth: name it after your girlfriend or something :)
[10:08] <Amaranth> HedgeMage: doesn't have to have anything to do with what it does though
[10:09] <HedgeMage> cbx33: that is insanely cute
[10:09] <Amaranth> spacey: i think she'd get pissed, seeing how we haven't seen each other in about 9 months :P
[10:09] <cbx33> LISA - Linearly Interpolated Spectrographic Analysis
[10:09] <spacey> Amaranth: ouch
[10:09] <cbx33> www.progbox.co.uk/thesis - if anyone is interested
[10:09] <spacey> Amaranth: name it after your mother?:P
[10:09] <Amaranth> heh
[10:09] <Amaranth> but then i need a new acronym for lisa :)
[10:09] <cbx33> HedgeMage: what is latin for filter
[10:10] <cbx33> Lengthy Incision of Stateful Abstracts
[10:11] <HedgeMage> lol
[10:11] <HedgeMage> filter? not sure... hmm
[10:11] <Amaranth> spurcamen, sordes, purgamentum, inquinamentum, fimus, feculentia
[10:11] <Amaranth> one of those
[10:11] <HedgeMage> Amaranth: perseus.tufts.edu has lexica of a number of classical languages, do a search
[10:11] <Amaranth> (that's filter)
[10:11] <Amaranth> sordes? :)
[10:12] <spacey> HedgeMage: link is dead
[10:12] <Amaranth> been up close to 24 hours and coding for most of them
[10:12] <Amaranth> whee
[10:12] <cbx33> zenana
[10:12] <Amaranth> this is good though, because i probably won't do much for a week now ;)
[10:13] <Amaranth> clausus
[10:13] <HedgeMage> spacey: let me check I may have typoed it
[10:13] <Amaranth> ?
[10:13] <HedgeMage> http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/
[10:13] <HedgeMage> there we go
[10:14] <Amaranth> oh, clausus means closed
[10:15] <JaneW> http://www.frappr.com/edubuntu
[10:16] <spacey> JaneW: add me :P
[10:16] <spacey> JaneW: i like the map on ubuntu-nl more
[10:16] <jsgotangco> hmm i think i got me a visa
[10:17] <spacey> http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/ubuntu-nl/kaart
[10:17] <jsgotangco> they called me up and asked to come back tomorrow with my travel insurance and stuff
[10:17] <Amaranth> i could just be a jerk and call it "willow" :)
[10:17] <HedgeMage> cbx33: you have mail
[10:17] <spacey> Amaranth: Willow-NG to be even more orginal
[10:17] <cbx33> aeolian
[10:17] <JaneW> spacey: checking
[10:17] <cbx33> greek god of the winds
[10:18] <pygi> hey hey JaneW 
[10:18] <cbx33> chorine - a chorus girl
[10:18] <cbx33> Hi JaneW 
[10:18] <HedgeMage> hi JaneW 
[10:18] <cbx33> mimesis
[10:18] <cbx33> what about 
[10:19] <cbx33> bezoar    (buh-zore') n. a hard indigestible mass of material,
[10:19] <spacey> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWorldWide also quite nice
[10:19] <HedgeMage> cbx33: btw, sorry about before... I didn't get your email b/c somehow I'd emailed you from my army account and their servers suck... I emailed you from my home (reliable) email this time
[10:19] <spacey> JaneW: +53.2365 +6.5445 "spacey" # HermanBos, Groningen, The Netherlands
[10:19] <cbx33> vavasor    (vav'-uh-sore) n. a feudal vassal ranking just below a baron.
[10:19] <spacey> at leas tyou can add me :)
[10:19] <HedgeMage> the one to the army email came through, it just takes forever.
[10:20] <Amaranth> cbx33: i kind of like that last one
[10:20] <Amaranth> vavasor
[10:20] <Amaranth> now to slightly change it so it's not the same word :)
[10:20] <cbx33> sorry HedgeMage 
[10:20] <Amaranth> vovisar
[10:20] <Amaranth> no, that stinks
[10:20] <HedgeMage> cbx33: np, just wanted to make sure the email made it through okay before I go to bed
[10:20] <spacey> i'm off to the office, bbl
[10:21] <cbx33> ok
[10:21] <cbx33> nn HedgeMage 
[10:21] <cbx33> tripsis    (trip'-siss) n. trituration; also, the process of shampooing. [from Greek tribein "to rub"] .
[10:21] <HedgeMage> cbx33: got it then?
[10:21] <cbx33> alegar    (ail'-uh-gar) n. sour ale; the acid of ale; vinegar resulting from the fermentation of ale.
[10:21] <cbx33> just checking now
[10:22] <cbx33> got it
[10:22] <HedgeMage> cbx33: cool.  I'll owe you some chocolate or some sort of big favor after this :)
[10:22] <cbx33> orotund    (or'-uh-tund) adj. 1: marked by fullness, strength and clarity or sound; sonorous. 2: pompous; bombastic.
[10:22] <cbx33> HedgeMage: only if it's up to standard
[10:22] <HedgeMage> hehe
[10:23] <Amaranth> cbx33: can you email all this to alleykat@gmail.com please?
[10:23] <cbx33> numen    (n(y)oo'-men) n. a spiritual force or influence often identified with a natural object, phenomenon or locality (pl. numina).
[10:23] <Amaranth> numen
[10:23] <cbx33> Amaranth: heheh
[10:23] <Amaranth> that's cool
[10:23] <cbx33> yeh I thought so
[10:23] <Amaranth> zzz
[10:24] <Amaranth> thanks
[10:24] <pygi> bluekuja, poke? :)
[10:24] <EmxBA> hi again
[10:24] <EmxBA> i was here few hours ago :D
[10:25] <pygi> EmxBA, rather before 10 hours and 24 minutes before :P
[10:25] <EmxBA> yes mario
[10:25] <EmxBA> i suppose that GPG think has finished :P
[10:50] <EmxBA> bluekuja: i have few good edubuntu logos
[10:51] <EmxBA> various colors
[10:51] <EmxBA> shall i show it to you?
[10:53] <pygi> EmxBA, she's not here
[10:53] <EmxBA> ok
[10:53] <EmxBA> shall i show it to you, mario
[10:53] <EmxBA> :D
[10:54] <k31th> ay dns gurus ?
[10:54] <EmxBA> they are same edubuntu logso, just different colors
[10:54] <k31th> any*
[10:54] <pygi> EmxBA, not right now :P
[10:54] <EmxBA> ok
[10:54] <pygi> later tho
[10:54] <EmxBA> oki :P
[10:54] <pygi> EmxBA, have you managed to sign CoC?
[10:54] <EmxBA> no
[10:54] <EmxBA> i must wait 
[10:55] <cbx33> has that bug been fixed yet?
[10:55] <cbx33> for 1.0.1
[10:55] <pygi> cbx33, nop :)
[10:55] <EmxBA> this is very nervous :-|
[10:55] <cbx33> hehe
[10:55] <cbx33> just sign 1.0
[10:55] <EmxBA> i cannot sign it
[10:55] <EmxBA> it says that i should sign 1.0.1
[10:55] <cbx33> did to me too
[10:55] <EmxBA> so i must go to 1.0.1 sign web site
[10:55] <cbx33> but as it is unsignable
[10:55] <pygi> buahahah :)
[10:56] <cbx33> calm down pygi 
[10:56] <EmxBA> .D
[10:57] <cbx33> heh
[11:00] <pygi> cbx33, whaat!?
[11:01] <EmxBA>  :D
[11:20] <DanielC> Does anyone know how I can run two or more instances of Firefox? (i.e. one on each thin client). I keep getting the error "A copy of firefox is already running".
[11:20] <EmxBA> ?
[11:21] <DanielC> I'll have 16 thin clients and they all should be able to run firefox.
[11:23] <DanielC> When the second client starts Firefox it says "Firefox is already running but not responding. Close that window and try again".
[11:23] <EmxBA> does anyone know why i always get 75 celsius in /proc/acpi/thermal/THRM/cpu
[11:23] <EmxBA> something like
[11:23] <EmxBA> that
[11:24] <EmxBA> it always shows 75 
[11:25] <EmxBA> anyone?
[11:25] <EmxBA> i am using notebook
[11:27] <lucasvo> DanielC: do you use different users on each thinclient?
[11:28] <EmxBA> lucasvo: can you help me
[11:28] <EmxBA> few years ago i've seen good temperature (58 celsius) is windows :D
[11:28] <EmxBA> so sensors i have are good
[11:28] <DanielC> lucasvo: Sadly, I can't think of a way to use different users without creating a huge amount of work for both me and the kids (these are primary kids).
[11:29] <DanielC> EmxBA: If someone could help you they'd say something. We're not ignoring you, we just don't know.
[11:29] <lucasvo> DanielC: why?
[11:29] <EmxBA>  ok
[11:29] <EmxBA> np
[11:29] <DanielC> lucasvo: Creating 600 user accounts and asking each kid to type a different username and password is a lot.
[11:29] <lucasvo> EmxBA: go to #ubuntu for HW questions not related to thin clients
[11:30] <lucasvo> DanielC: you could make one user per machine
[11:30] <EmxBA> ok
[11:30] <pygi> lucasvo, could you do a lill' favor for me?
[11:30] <lucasvo> ?
[11:30] <pygi> generate me a download script with synaptic for network-manager-gnome
[11:31] <lucasvo> pygi: sry, I am not on linux at the moment
[11:31] <DanielC> lucasvo: That's an idea, but the head teacher likes the idea of having Gnome customized for each year group. So I'd like to have a common account for each year.
[11:31] <lucasvo> bah
[11:31] <lucasvo> DanielC: I don't know how I would do this
[11:31] <DanielC> lucasvo: Suggestions welcome.
[11:31] <pygi> DanielC, any chance you could do it?
[11:32] <lucasvo> DanielC: make a user for every year on each machine
[11:32] <DanielC> lucasvo: Ok. I can tell the teacher that either we hit problems with firefox and OpenOffice or we have an account per machine.
[11:32] <DanielC> lucasvo: These are thin clients.
[11:32] <DanielC> pygi: I'm on Linux, what can I do?
[11:33] <pygi> DanielC, generate me a download script from synaptic for network-manager-gnome
[11:33] <DanielC> pygi: How do I do that?
[11:33] <lucasvo> DanielC: first open synaptic
[11:33] <pygi> DanielC, you select the network-manager-gnome and click "file" or something like that, and you have generate download script
[11:33] <lucasvo> DanielC: search for network-manager-gnome
[11:34] <DanielC> I found a package called "network-manager-gnome"
[11:34] <DanielC> File > Generate download script ?
[11:35] <pygi> yes
[11:35] <pygi> when you clicked on that package to install, ofcourse :P
[11:35] <bluekuja> hello guys
[11:35] <bluekuja> Mr pygi 
[11:35] <bluekuja> :)
[11:35] <pygi> bluekuja, bleh :)
[11:35] <pygi> does any of your servers have Trac support?
[11:36] <DanielC> pygi: Ok, I'll send you what I got and you can tell me if it's what you need.
[11:36] <bluekuja> trac?
[11:36] <pygi> bluekuja, http://www.edgewall.com/trac/details.html
[11:36] <pygi> DanielC, please mail :P
[11:36] <pygi> mario dot danic at gmail dot com
[11:36] <DanielC> bluekuja: Trac is something like a bugzilla + code browser + wiki all in one.
[11:37] <bluekuja> oh nice
[11:37] <DanielC> pygi: Ok, what's your email address?
[11:37] <DanielC> ok, I see it :)
[11:37] <bluekuja> when i can set it up for you
[11:37] <cbx33> wow bluekuja havn't seen you around for a while
[11:37] <jsgotangco> oohhh trac
[11:37] <bluekuja> omg pete!!
[11:37] <bluekuja> hello man
[11:37] <cbx33> howz you
[11:37] <pygi> bluekuja, just wondering if any of your servers have support for that? :)
[11:37] <bluekuja> really good :)
[11:37] <pygi> jsgotangco, indeed ;)
[11:37] <bluekuja> pygi: of course :)
[11:37] <jsgotangco> cbx33: thik of it as your personal launchpad
[11:38] <cbx33> ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooH
[11:38] <jsgotangco> (with emphasis to revision control using cvs/svn)
[11:38] <pygi> bluekuja, bleh, k, how much do you charge for hosting? (with trac support)
[11:38] <DanielC> pygi: Sent.
[11:38] <pygi> and possibly even svn server? :)
[11:38] <pygi> thanks DanielC 
[11:38] <cbx33> oh bluekuja I gota bone to pick with you
[11:38] <bluekuja> pygi: free for you :D
[11:38] <cbx33> what's happened to that IRC server
[11:39] <pygi> bluekuja, bleh, why is that? :-/
[11:39] <bluekuja> cbx33: I'm working on it, it's ready now, but i forget to run the daemon
[11:39] <bluekuja> :)
[11:39] <bluekuja> let me open it
[11:39] <cbx33> oh excellent
[11:39] <cbx33> I can't check it now anyway
[11:40] <bluekuja> aww
[11:40] <bluekuja> pygi: when do you need it ready?
[11:41] <bluekuja> cbx33: pete 3-2-1 running
[11:41] <pygi> Well, It's not really urgent :)
[11:41] <cbx33> heh
[11:41] <pygi> bluekuja, and I need to buy domain
[11:41] <pygi> (me will host all his projects there, and webpages, and stuff)
[11:42] <bluekuja> pygi: i can provide you a subdomain for now
[11:43] <pygi> bluekuja, I'll pm you
[11:43] <pygi> sec
[11:43] <cbx33> hi guys
[11:43] <cbx33> I'm a pam idiot
[11:43] <cbx33> http://pastebin.com/706166
[11:43] <cbx33> why is it asking me for my password twice
[11:43] <cbx33> I know it's because of it checking local accounts and network accounts
[11:44] <cbx33> but how can I get it to try the password on both?
[11:45] <cbx33> hmm
[11:45] <cbx33> I think I know
[11:45] <cbx33> hang on
[11:46] <cbx33> it's the pammount part that asks for a second password
[11:48] <bluekuja> lol
[11:48] <pygi> DanielC, k, thanks :)
[11:48] <pygi> now do the same with all gstreamer-plugins stuff :)
[11:51] <RobinShepheard> hi all
[11:54] <pygi> DanielC, poke? :P
[11:56] <DanielC> hi
[11:56] <DanielC> I'm setting up a server right now. Ok, what package do you want?
[11:57] <pygi> DanielC, all gstreamer0.10-plugins-*
[11:57] <DanielC> ok
[11:57] <pygi> thanks ;)
[11:58] <DanielC> np
[11:58] <DanielC> sent
[12:03] <pygi> jsgotangco, trac 0.10dev is much better then 0.9.5 stuff ;)
[12:07] <bluekuja> ah pygi, one more question before leave
[12:07] <bluekuja> which version do you want?
[12:07] <pygi> bluekuja, of what? trac? :)
[12:07] <pygi> just make sure I can install it, I'll install it on my own (ssh stuff)
[12:07] <pygi> I will need several setups of it anyway
[12:08] <DanielC> Damm it! The clients won't work. I can start Gnome, but the menus and buttons don't do anything so nothing works.
[12:08] <DanielC> If you click on any menu nothing happens. Buttons don't do anything.
[12:08] <DanielC> It might as well be one big background.
[12:08] <pygi> bluekuja, is that ok for you? :)
[12:08] <bluekuja> pygi: oh oki, ill create you a personal folder where you can install stuff
[12:08] <pygi> bluekuja, oki :)
[12:09] <DanielC> Can anyone guess why this might happen or how to fix it?
[12:09] <pygi> and svn if thats possible ;)
[12:09] <pygi> I'll make sure I get domain today
[12:09] <bluekuja> yeah, of course
[12:09] <bluekuja> if you need root
[12:09] <bluekuja> just tell me
[12:09] <bluekuja> i'll change passwords
[12:09] <pygi> root? you are not afraid I would bork your server? :)
[12:10] <bluekuja> lol
[12:10] <bluekuja> I'll install svn
[12:10] <pygi> No need just yet until we get domain, so we could point it to svn.pykix.net stuff ;)
[12:11] <pygi> aha, so you are afraid :)
[12:11] <bluekuja> well dns redirection is not a problem ;)
[12:11] <pygi> bleh, oki :)
[12:12] <bluekuja> pygi: anyway I'll install all deps
[12:13] <pygi> bluekuja, oki :)
[12:13] <bluekuja> brb later
[12:14] <DanielC> Help. The thin client won't work. I can login to Gnome but after that nothing works. I can move the mouse but if I click on anything nothing happens.
[12:14] <DanielC> Menus don't do anything, buttons don't do anything.
[12:15] <EmxBA> yes!
[12:15] <DanielC> It's like when Gnome is frozen.
[12:15] <EmxBA> i have finnaly set up my CoC
[12:15] <DanielC> or X.
[12:15] <EmxBA> i became ubuntutero!
[12:15] <EmxBA> yupi!
[12:15] <DanielC> Does anyone know what the problem is?
[12:15] <pygi> EmxBA, congrats ;)
[12:15] <EmxBA> pygi, finally
[12:15] <EmxBA> ;)
[12:15] <EmxBA> tnx
[12:15] <EmxBA> see ya
[12:15] <EmxBA> gotta contribute :D on wiki :
[12:16] <DanielC> Does anyone know why the clients would freeze like that?
[12:16] <DanielC> I can kill X on the client with Ctrl+Alt+Backspace
[12:16] <DanielC> And the mouse moves.
[12:22] <cbx33> ping ogra 
[12:23] <spacey> DanielC: fixed the nfs problem?
[12:27] <DanielC> spacey: It turns out that it was a hardware problem on the client. I replaced the client by a different machine and that one didn't have problems booting.
[12:27] <DanielC> Very strange.
[12:27] <DanielC> There aren't many things that can go wrong on the client, but something did.
[12:28] <cbx33> ok guys
[12:28] <cbx33> need a little bit of help
[12:28] <DanielC> spacey: Although now I can boot and login to the thin client, nothing works after that.
[12:29] <DanielC> spacey: When I click on menus or buttons nothing happens.
[12:29] <DanielC> It's like Gnome or X is frozen.
[12:35] <RobinShepheard> DanielC: I have had a similar problem when the client workstation has locked. Does your keyboard still work, eg can you ctrl+alt+F1 ??
[12:35] <RobinShepheard> oh and is it usb or ps2 mouse??
[12:41] <DanielC> RobinShepheard:  ps2
[12:42] <DanielC> I'm rebooting, I'll check the keyboard in a minute.
[12:42] <RobinShepheard> ok
[12:42] <DanielC> RobinShepheard: Keyboard works.
[12:43] <DanielC> I'll try a different network card.
[12:43] <RobinShepheard> yeah, I was using a usb mouse and I wondered if it was something to do with powersaving on locking of the screen, but if it happens on a ps2 mouse it can't be that
[12:48] <DanielC> Ok, I've tried a new network card and that didn't help.
[12:48] <DanielC> I've tried a different PCI slot, a whole other computer, and I've restarted the network switch.
[12:49] <DanielC> So, unless it's the cable, the problem is not hardware.
[12:49] <RobinShepheard> I don't think it is network related
[12:49] <DanielC> But this is weird. I was only doing stuff with Firefox. Even if I totally wrecked Firefox that couldn't make Gnome stop working.
[12:50] <DanielC> Especially after rebooting the server.
[12:50] <RobinShepheard> I am just trying to recreate on another machine. how long roughly does it work for do you reckon??
[12:51] <DanielC> I don't understand the question.
[12:51] <RobinShepheard> well, does the mouse work for the first 10 mins and then dies??
[12:51] <DanielC> The thin client was working fine yesterday and today it doesn't.
[12:51] <RobinShepheard> or 20 mins or whatever
[12:51] <DanielC> The mouse itself works.
[12:51] <DanielC> But clicking on menus and buttons does nothing.
[12:52] <DanielC> It's like the Gnome panel had crashed.
[12:52] <DanielC> Except that it's not just the panel, but "everything".
[12:52] <RobinShepheard> our thin client didn't stop working until the screen locked. yeah same as here, mouse moves and the keyboard can be used to interact with the windows
[12:52] <RobinShepheard> but clicking doesn't work
[12:52] <DanielC> exactly
[12:52] <DanielC> Unless the problem is with the left mouse button :)
[12:53] <RobinShepheard> I am trying to pin down whether it is something to do with the screen locking
[12:53] <DanielC> Here it happens right away. Without the screen having to lock.
[12:53] <DanielC> damm!
[12:54] <DanielC> that's what it was!
[12:54] <DanielC> It was the mouse.
[12:55] <DanielC> Computers just don't like me. I get the weirdest faults.
[01:02] <ogra> cbx33, pong
[01:02] <ogra> RobinShepheard, try killing rge gnome-screensaver daemon via console on the server if it happens the next time and see if it solves it
[01:02] <ogra> s/rge/the/
[01:06] <RobinShepheard> ogra: funny you should suggest that
[01:07] <RobinShepheard> I am just checking the same happens on another machine and then I was going to kill it
[01:21] <shriphani> ogra ?
[01:22] <ogra> yep ?
[01:26] <Elwell> extending Gcompris - is there a "prefered" edubuntu way of doing it?
[01:27] <ogra> Elwell, yes, do it with upstream so everybody benefits :)
[01:30] <cbx33> ogra: I watned to ask
[01:30] <cbx33> how much do you know about the authntication mechanism on ltsp
[01:31] <Elwell> ogra, heh - right now its only basic changes - Making the "missing letter" ones a bit harder
[01:31] <kholerabbi> I don't have sound in wine - someone said to get wine-esd, but that doesn't seem to be in the reps?? help pleeeease?
[01:35] <kholerabbi> we-ell then
[01:49] <Yagisan> queenslanders, really. so impatient.
[01:49] <Yagisan> evening all
[01:53] <Yagisan> cbx33: some pwads will be rolling out soon. feel free to give them a spin.
[01:54] <pygi> hey Yagisan 
[01:55] <cbx33> hoo ha
[01:55] <cbx33> meeting time
[01:55] <pygi> cbx33, what meeting?:P
[01:56] <cbx33> I'm a plonker
[01:56] <cbx33> :(
[01:57] <Yagisan> hey pygi
[01:59] <ogra> Yagisan, its tuesdeay *next week* already !
[02:00] <cbx33> hehe
[02:00] <cbx33> ogra: I poke to ajmitch
[02:00] <ogra> about AD integration ?
[02:00] <cbx33> yes
[02:01] <cbx33> he's not going to be able to manage to put in the hiome dir mapping, which I wasn't asking for
[02:01] <Yagisan> my god! the kids must be starving if I've been gone for a week. Last time I watch the soccer then
[02:01] <cbx33> but he did lead me to some thinking about why mine isn't working
[02:02] <cbx33> but i need some help
[02:02] <cbx33> with the pam files
[02:02] <pygi> Yagisan, hehe :)
[02:03] <ogra> cbx33, then i'm the wrong person to ask ... no big pam knowledge here :)
[02:03] <ogra> cbx33, tseng has AD auth running (but without /home mapping) 
[02:03] <cbx33> I have AD auth
[02:04] <cbx33> running fine
[02:04] <cbx33> ;p
[02:04] <cbx33> it's just the mapping
[02:04] <cbx33> it works on the local machine
[02:04] <cbx33> just not on the LTSP
[02:04] <cbx33> clients
[02:04] <ogra> doesnt need to work on the clients ;) 
[02:04] <ogra> it needs to work on the server per session 
[02:05] <EmxBA> hi again
[02:05] <EmxBA> :
[02:05] <cbx33> well, if I log in to the server
[02:05] <cbx33> it works 
[02:05] <cbx33> but if I login via a client it doesn't
[02:30] <Yagisan> well, that was unpleasent
[02:31] <Yagisan> my X-session crashed, and I had to recover it without disrupting other users logged into the server
[02:36] <cbx33> hey highvoltage 
[02:40] <highvoltage> hey cbx33 
[02:40] <cbx33> hi highvoltage 
[02:40] <highvoltage> hi cbx33 
[02:40] <pygi> hey hey
[02:40] <highvoltage> hey hey pygi 
[02:40] <EmxBA> hey hey mario
[02:40] <EmxBA> hey highvoltage
[02:40] <highvoltage> hey EmxBA 
[02:40] <cbx33> howz it going?
[02:40] <EmxBA> how are you, highvoltage
[02:40] <highvoltage> good. our dapper tuxlab setup is about 98% completed :)
[02:41] <cbx33> nice 
[02:41] <jsgotangco> hey
[02:41] <EmxBA> very good
[02:42] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: did you get yours sorted out already?
[02:42] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: nope
[02:42] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: i'll find out tomorrow/thursday
[02:43] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: you?
[02:43] <jsgotangco> same here but the embassy called me up today and asked to bring my ticket and insurance so i guess im good (hope so)
[02:43] <ogra> yay
[02:43] <jsgotangco> just read room assignments
[02:44] <jsgotangco> i'll be with elmo heh
[02:44] <jsgotangco> wow
[02:44] <jsgotangco> klaus knopper is coming!
[02:45] <EmxBA> :D
[02:45] <EmxBA> nice
[02:45] <jsgotangco> whoa even aaron seigo
[02:47] <ogra> hmm, who is belinda lopez ?
[02:47] <EmxBA> pygi 
[02:47] <EmxBA> go to private please
[02:48] <highvoltage> jennifer lopez's sister?
[02:48] <EmxBA> :D
[02:48] <EmxBA> lol
[02:48] <jsgotangco> whoooo
[02:48] <jsgotangco> hmm lots of rpath people too
[02:49] <ogra> highvoltage, does jlo's sister have a @nasa.gov mailaddress ?
[02:49] <jsgotangco> lol
[02:50] <ogra> she's coming to paris and is intrested in solving bug #1 for ubuntu and edubuntu according to the attendees page :)
[02:51] <jsgotangco> i should talk to her and convince her to let me join the space program
[02:51] <ogra> make an edubuntu-space LP team, quick !
[02:51] <ogra> :)
[02:54] <highvoltage> heh
[02:55] <ogra> we could make up a testing program, like how does one play gcompris on an olpc laptop at zero gravity :)
[02:56] <jsgotangco> did you request for a prototype?
[02:56] <EmxBA> is there any team which test edubuntu on laptops
[02:56] <EmxBA> i could join them :D
[02:56] <ogra> jsgotangco, i guess that wont be my job 
[02:57] <jsgotangco> i have the sugar image in an FC5 machine its getting nicer and nicer
[02:57] <EmxBA> does aynone know
[02:57] <EmxBA> is there edubuntu laptop team
[02:57] <jsgotangco> EmxBA: nope
[02:58] <EmxBA> can i form it ?
[02:58] <jsgotangco> EmxBA: the current laptop testing team is still good till edgy
[02:58] <EmxBA> :D
[02:58] <ogra> EmxBA, edubuntu is developed inside of ubuntu, there is no need for such a team
[02:58] <EmxBA>  i know
[02:58] <jsgotangco> its baically the same tools
[02:58] <EmxBA> but anyway, we should make edubuntu-laptop team
[02:58] <ogra> we inherit the solutions from the ubuntu team
[02:58] <jsgotangco> EmxBA: i test edubuntu on laptops
[02:58] <EmxBA> i could show my edubuntu laptop in city and show it to kids :D
[02:58] <EmxBA> hehe
[02:58] <EmxBA> and?
[02:58] <EmxBA> at me everything works
[02:59] <jsgotangco> if you look into my laptop page, results for edubuntu = ubuntu
[02:59] <EmxBA> ok
[02:59] <ogra> yep, ubuntu and edubuntu are identical in that area, no need for a separate team
[02:59] <EmxBA> do you have a link?
[02:59] <jsgotangco> it would be different if it was KDE
[02:59] <ogra> heh, well
[02:59] <jsgotangco> heh
[02:59] <EmxBA> jsgotangco: do you have a link for that laptop page
[02:59] <EmxBA> site
[02:59] <jsgotangco> wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam
[03:00] <EmxBA> ogra, jsgotangco, i suggest we change edubuntu cursor
[03:00] <EmxBA> make it be human
[03:00] <ogra> why the haeck cant these paypal spammers not check if you have a paypal account at all before sending you spam, grr
[03:00] <pygi> ogra, lol :)
[03:01] <EmxBA> :D
[03:01] <EmxBA> lol
[03:01] <jsgotangco> they know the wire transfers are coming from
[03:02] <ogra> EmxBA, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseRadar see at the bottom
[03:02] <ogra> (Post-release updates)
[03:03] <EmxBA> ok
[03:03] <EmxBA> just a sec
[03:03] <EmxBA> what should i read?
[03:03] <EmxBA> edubuntu-artwork fix the cursor theme regression (OliverGrawert)
[03:03] <EmxBA> that's you
[03:03] <ogra> exactly
[03:04] <EmxBA> how can i help edubuntu
[03:04] <ogra> i'll add a big fat [done]  in the fron if its in the archive
[03:04] <EmxBA> on wiki and launchpad
[03:04] <EmxBA> ?
[03:04] <EmxBA> ok
[03:04] <ogra> expect it to be fixed this week
[03:04] <EmxBA> are there any more bugs
[03:04] <EmxBA> icons are ok
[03:04] <EmxBA> gartoon
[03:06] <EmxBA> can i help fixing something in edubuntu edgy
[03:06] <ogra> sure you can
[03:06] <EmxBA> what 
[03:06] <EmxBA> for example
[03:06] <EmxBA> i have lots of free time
[03:06] <EmxBA> which i mostly spend on ubuntu
[03:06] <EmxBA> chatting, helping, programming
[03:07] <EmxBA> i wanted to sign to google summer of code, mentor ubuntu
[03:07] <ogra> dunno, edgy doesnt even exist, i havent got my magic crystal ball handy to predict what will be broken in edgy
[03:07] <EmxBA> i mean what can i fix
[03:07] <EmxBA> so we can make future betted :-)
[03:07] <ogra> so just stay around and see what will be needed to be fixed
[03:07] <EmxBA> how?
[03:07] <pygi> bleh :P
[03:07] <ogra> just stay around here in that channel :)
[03:08] <EmxBA> i can just put in edubuntu 6.06 CD and install it and report bugs
[03:08] <ogra> once we can upload to edgy there will be much work to be done ...
[03:08] <EmxBA> and fix them
[03:08] <EmxBA> ok
[03:08] <EmxBA> when is that going to be?
[03:08] <EmxBA> approx.
[03:08] <ogra> if the toolchain to build packages on the autobuilder is done ...
[03:09] <ogra> no idea when that will be or what bugs the guys encounter during setting it up...
[03:09] <EmxBA>   ok
[03:09] <ogra> but its likely to be ready after paris
[03:09] <jsgotangco> :/
[03:09] <ogra> or during 
[03:09] <EmxBA> i'll report bugs and fix them
[03:09] <EmxBA> can i suggest the changing of icons
[03:09] <EmxBA> just a bit
[03:09] <EmxBA> only few icons
[03:09] <EmxBA> ?
[03:10] <jsgotangco> it'll most likely be tagged as a wishlist for now
[03:10] <ogra> EmxBA, sure you can, but note that only saying "i dont like that icon" wont help, provide a good reason and if possible an alternative icon 
[03:10] <EmxBA>  i know
[03:11] <EmxBA> i know the rules :-)
[03:11] <ogra> and what jsgotangco said ... indeed that are whishlist bugs :)
[03:11] <RobinShepheard> ping cbx33
[03:11] <EmxBA>  hehe
[03:12] <ogra> also if you want to have icons redone it would be nice to contact upstream about it so they fit in the whole
[03:12] <jsgotangco> yeah
[03:12] <EmxBA> and any other bugs
[03:12] <bimberi> EmxBA: https://launchpad.net/people/edubuntu-bugs/+packagebugs
[03:13] <EmxBA> what's the thing where you had a most of the bugs?
[03:13] <jsgotangco> EmxBA: X
[03:13] <jsgotangco> muhahahha
[03:13] <EmxBA> can i join edubuntu bugs team
[03:13] <ogra> sure#
[03:13] <EmxBA> X is ok on my laptop :D
[03:13] <EmxBA> ok 
[03:13] <jsgotangco> EmxBA: sure but not for 20-30% out there =)
[03:13] <EmxBA> just approve me
[03:13] <EmxBA> who's the admin on edubuntu.bugs
[03:13] <jsgotangco> bug triaging is not about your bugs, but bugs encountered by others :P
[03:13] <EmxBA> ?
[03:14] <EmxBA> ogra: approve me, please :-)
[03:14] <ogra> EmxBA, the LP teampage can tell you
[03:14] <EmxBA> ok
[03:14] <EmxBA> i remember that i tried edubuntu 5.10 and the x were badly configured, instead of 1024x768 i got 640x480
[03:15] <EmxBA> and a great part of my laptop screen remained black
[03:15] <EmxBA> just the center was X
[03:15] <EmxBA> i can't explain it good, but that was a bug
[03:16] <jsgotangco> but does it work now on 6.06?
[03:17] <EmxBA> yes
[03:17] <EmxBA> it works good
[03:17] <EmxBA> 1024x768
[03:17] <jsgotangco> EmxBA: that's caused by the auto config not detecting correctly that's a bug if you can reconfigure xserver after and get the right resolution
[03:17] <EmxBA> thanks for approving me in, ogra
[03:17] <jsgotangco> but then, no need to file that because its deemed fix
[03:17] <EmxBA> :-)
[03:17] <ogra> :)
[03:17] <EmxBA> gotta go
[03:18] <EmxBA> see ya
[03:18] <jsgotangco> ciao
[03:18] <ogra> ciao
[03:18] <highvoltage> ogra: where did you see where people share rooms / stay?
[03:18] <ogra> me ? 
[03:18] <ogra> i didnt
[03:18] <highvoltage> i just realised i might have not booked my place at the radisson
[03:18] <highvoltage> or does claire organise that?
[03:19] <ogra> claire does
[03:19] <highvoltage> shew.
[03:19] <ogra> you only have to contact the travel agent for the flights
[03:19] <ogra> everything else is done by canonical
[03:19] <highvoltage> ok i just emailed her. the consulate wants proof that i'm going to stay there, and then i realised i don't have anything to confirm my stay at the hotel yet myself... just got a bit stressed :)
[03:20] <jsgotangco> ogra: carlos
[03:20] <highvoltage> ogra: do you perhaps have clair's phone number?
[03:20] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: i got tat myself too, i had the hotel fax me a confirmation
[03:20] <ogra> jsgotangco, me ? funny, i never shared with carlos yet
[03:20] <jsgotangco> ogra: im with elmo
[03:20] <jsgotangco> highvoltage is with Laser_away
[03:20] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: do you happen to have the hotel's phone/fax number handy?
[03:20] <jsgotangco> yeah
[03:20] <ogra> we should switch so smokers can share a smokers room ;)
[03:21] <jsgotangco> i agree
[03:21] <highvoltage> ogra: and then categorised by what they smoke? ;)
[03:21] <ogra> haha
[03:21] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: did the consulate ask it to be in french???
[03:22] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: 00 33 1 60 036306 (phone)
[03:22] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: 00 33 1 60 037440 (fax)
[03:23] <jsgotangco> try sending email to Fabienne Le Floch
[03:23] <jsgotangco> fabienne.lefloch@hotels-res.com
[03:23] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: no, they didn't
[03:23] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: thanks!
[03:23] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: they ask for mine in french :P
[03:24] <jsgotangco> Je vou confirme par la presente que Monsieur Jerome S. Gotangco blah blah blah
[03:24] <jsgotangco> i got so exposed so much its in my brain now
[03:25] <highvoltage> heh
[03:25] <jsgotangco> is heno impaired so much that he has 2 assitants?
[03:27] <ogra> they are likely not allowed to work 5 days in a row for 24h
[03:27] <pygi> bluekuja, poke? :)
[03:27] <jsgotangco> ah right
[03:27] <jsgotangco> makes sense
[03:28] <mhz> jsgotangco: hi there
[03:28] <jsgotangco> mhz: !
[03:28] <mhz> jsgotangco: EWNS was part of UWNS?
[03:28] <RobinShepheard> pygi: Daft question, is there anyway I could be approved for the cookbook team??
[03:28] <jsgotangco> mhz: its now one NS
[03:29] <pygi>  RobinShepheard indeed there is
[03:29] <RobinShepheard> pygi: cheers
[03:29] <mhz> jsgotangco: oh, i see
[03:29] <mhz> jsgotangco: it kinda make sense
[03:29] <jsgotangco> mhz: its pretty quiet 2 weeks lately, but it'll heat up during and after paris
[03:29] <pygi> RobinShepheard, please discuss it with HedgeMage at next meeting
[03:29] <pygi> ok?
[03:30] <mhz> jsgotangco: i am sure you'll heat it up ;)
[03:30] <RobinShepheard> pygi: no problem, jsut after you left everyone else basically left hedgemage and myself to it
[03:30] <mhz> ogra: it is a typo ;)
[03:30] <pygi> Andrea, bluekuja, poke once again? :)
[03:30] <ogra> heh
[03:30] <mhz> ogra: or Edubuntu Weekly News Sandwich ?
[03:31] <ogra> yeah, now that its merged for {k,ed}ubuntu :)
[03:31] <RobinShepheard> Edubuntu weekly news service
[03:31] <mhz> lol
[03:31] <mhz> indeed
[03:31] <RobinShepheard> Edubuntu weekly newt sandwich and you can tie it in to edgy
[03:31] <mhz> hehehe
[03:32] <ogra> lol
[03:32] <mhz> Maybe, LoCo's could get motivated to contribute to it too
[03:33] <mhz> only = mainly
[03:33] <bluekuja> pygi: hey mario
[03:34] <mhz> .oO(well, time to get back to work)
[03:34] <pygi> bluekuja, so what nameservers do I put with domain? :)
[03:34] <bluekuja> oh domain ready?
[03:34] <pygi> well, I need to put a nameserver :P
[03:34] <bluekuja> pygi: pm
[03:34] <pygi> Wow, Diva works in Dapper now without patching 
[03:34] <pygi> JOY :)
[03:34] <pygi> oki
[03:38] <mhz> ogra: jsgotangco: could you discuss about Launchpad 'team-subscribers' pre-requisites? I mean, I have received some "want-to-join" requests from people who has no wiki homepage at all or people who prefer to get a wiki homepage name like zEro_KiLLa ...which is far from being wiki friendly. Bottom line... can I accept/filter subscribers with at least a 'normal' wiki homepage (where we can all see what he/she does and easily get to his/her page)
[03:39] <jsgotangco> well its not really an LP sprint if you mean paris
[03:39] <mhz> hhee, I know, but it is ubuntu topics.. or just edgy?
[03:40] <ogra> its a #launchpad topic :)
[03:42] <mhz> ogra: hmmm, i think it is edubuntu related (in my case) because people want to join a team but many don't even join IRC, do not particpate in ML, nor wiki. Then, how can we wrk with them as a "team" ?
[03:42] <mhz> wrk = work
[03:43] <ogra> but where is that edubuntu related ? 
[03:43] <jsgotangco> well that's pretty hard
[03:43] <jsgotangco> yeah
[03:43] <mhz> (in my case) = edubuntu related teams in launchpad
[03:43] <ogra> people also want to join ubuntu teams or kubuntu teams or baltix teams without having properly set up wikipages
[03:44] <ogra> you are asking for a general filtering feature for team members or team member applicants
[03:44] <ogra> thats not edubuntu related at all, but a missing LP feature
[03:45] <mhz> ogra: oh, hmmm, well, yeah, it is LP related in terms of "filtering" spec.
[03:45] <mhz> bUT
[03:45] <mhz> it is Edubuntu related (in this specific case i am pointing)
[03:45] <jsgotangco> mhz: Edubuntu here is just an abstraction of a team in LP
[03:45] <ogra> sure, but neither an edubuntu problem, nor solvable in edubuntu
[03:46] <ogra> nobody in this channle works on LP, we're all just users as you are
[03:46] <cbx33> ogra: true
[03:46] <mhz> in terms of "can we filter?" "do we want to filter?" "is it okey there are 20 subscribers to a team when these 10 people dont participate on IRC, ML or wiki?"
[03:46] <jsgotangco> mhz: if you have admin powers
[03:46] <jsgotangco> but you're now talking about team heirarchy
[03:46] <jsgotangco> #launchpad
[03:47] <cbx33> mhz: is this specific to a team or in general?
[03:47] <mhz> general
[03:47] <mhz> Last week I spent about 30 minutes browsing teams
[03:47] <mhz> in LP
[03:48] <mhz> and trying to get info about many subscribers
[03:48] <mhz> to diff teams
[03:48] <mhz> zero info I could get
[03:48] <mhz> and then I looked up some nick in IRC...
[03:48] <mhz> found none again
[03:48] <jsgotangco> mhz: don't go there it'll only frustrate you, LP is open reg site
[03:48] <mhz> nor wiki
[03:49] <jsgotangco> some just register to make support quests or bugs
[03:49] <cbx33> mhz: I think sure there are problems, but if you make the system too flamey and hoopy people won;t help at all
[03:49] <mhz> cbx33: hmm, good point
[03:50] <cbx33> I have enough trouble tryingto get people to submit bugs on LP at all
[03:50] <mhz> Yagisan: hehehehe
[03:50] <cbx33> seriously they resent that they have to sign up
[03:50] <jsgotangco> brb
[03:51] <mhz> but I can at least see you and talk to you if you are member of a team. That is my point. very simple. You can surely subscribe to a team and do nothing. But at least, people of that team should be able to reach you.
[03:51] <mhz> cbx33: yeah, true. Actually, many LatinA people complain it is all english
[03:51] <cbx33> I think the system is as good as it's gonna be for a while
[03:52] <mhz> even CodeOfConduct (which I have already translated with other fella)
[03:52] <mhz> so they prefer not sign
[03:52] <mhz> :(
[03:53] <mhz> cbx33: ok, I guess I undertsand and have an answer to my head. 
[03:53] <cbx33> ;)
[03:54] <mhz> cbx33: just one last thought... then if Jhon is a member of a team, does nothing for the team, can't be reached (not even respnond emails), is he still a memeber?
[03:55] <cbx33> Yagisan: i agree
[03:55] <cbx33> I think that's why there is a time limit on some memberships
[03:55] <mhz> I ask this, because I have promised myself to finally start (serious agenda this time) working on Edubuntu-Study-Content since July. Then I will have to coordinate a couple of meetings with subscribers.
[03:55] <cbx33> possible seems the most sensible way
[03:56] <Yagisan> I don't even know many people on the same teams as myself
[03:56] <cbx33> people are a member for a certain period, if after that no contact can be made, they are dropped
[03:57] <mhz> cbx33: oh, I had no idea.
[03:57] <cbx33> but as ogra said, this is more a #launchpad topic
[03:57] <jsgotangco> i dont see the problem
[03:57] <jsgotangco> just make a timed subscription to the team
[03:57] <ogra> but dont set it to 24h like the artteam admin did :)
[03:58] <jsgotangco> hahaha
[03:58] <jsgotangco> no make it 6 months for a development cycle heh
[03:58] <ogra> i usually go with the default...
[03:59] <mhz> hmm, good point
[03:59] <mhz> I usually set it no-time-limited
[04:00] <mhz> well, thx guys..you helped me clear my mind
[04:00] <cbx33> np
[04:05] <mhz> oops, one last thing.. how come, if all stopped emails in edubuntu-devel are 'defered' by admin, they still get to inboxes?
[04:06] <ogra> ??
[04:07] <jsgotangco> because you're an admin and you get to see them?
[04:08] <ogra> are you sure youre not talking about the edubuntu-devel-owner mails ? 
[04:08] <mhz> well, i'll pay attention to it next time, ogra
[04:09] <mhz> maybe you are right...it may be my 10 inches screen size setting + evolution
[04:09] <ogra> you dont have them in your mail anymore ?
[04:09] <mhz> I see most columns in reduced size
[04:09] <mhz> nope, I usually wipe it out immediately
[04:27] <cbx33> bbl
[04:32] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: just spoke to fabienne. she's the most helpful french person i've spoken to all week :)
[04:32] <jsgotangco> she?
[04:32] <jsgotangco> did she fax you a letter?
[04:32] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: yep
[04:33] <highvoltage> she's going to phone me back in a minute or so
[04:33] <highvoltage> heh. i also thought it would be a guy.
[04:33] <highvoltage> then she said 'you just sent me an e-mail, right?"
[04:33] <highvoltage> and then i said 'erm....'
[04:33] <jsgotangco> lol
[04:33] <highvoltage> and then she started reading the mail, and i said yes, that's me.
[04:35] <jsgotangco> f00k i sent email to fabienne as Mr.
[04:36] <highvoltage> lol
[04:37] <jsgotangco> dohhhh
[04:58] <jsgotangco> good night
[04:59] <pygi> night jsgotangco 
[05:01] <Yagisan> night jsgotangco
[05:29] <DanielC> ogra: Are you located in Saarburg Germany?
[05:30] <DanielC> ogra: My employer says he might have met you, along with a guy called Manfred, related to an EU project for developing a server. Just curious.
[05:56] <bddebian> Hello
[06:09] <ogra> DanielC, then he met me, yes (i'm not located there, but was at that meeting)
[06:26] <pygi> bluekuja, poke?
[06:30] <pygi> bluekuja, awake? :)
[06:30] <andv> pygi: I'm here :)
[06:30] <pygi> andv, bleh, what happened? :P
[06:30] <andv> i need to get the other account disconnected
[06:30] <andv> i restart network
[06:30] <andv> ^^
[06:31] <pygi> bleh
[06:31] <pygi> does it work now at least? :P
[06:31] <andv> try now
[06:31] <pygi> andv, nop, no go :)
[06:32] <andv> pygi: great
[06:32] <andv> let me check conf file
[06:34] <pygi> andv, is that new server or something? :P
[06:34] <pygi> (no one on it?)
[06:34] <andv> yeah, no one
[06:35] <pygi> o joy, just me then :)
[06:35] <andv> all bandwitdh for oy
[06:35] <andv> *you
[06:35] <andv> ^^
[06:35] <andv> try now
[06:36] <pygi> no go
[06:36] <andv> but can you see at least apache page?
[06:37] <pygi> indeed
[06:37] <andv> ok, great. That's a first step
[06:37] <andv> which port are you trying ?
[06:37] <pygi> none, just netservers
[06:37] <andv> :6665?
[06:38] <andv> try with the port now
[06:38] <pygi> ping: unknown host www.netservers.org:6665
[06:38] <andv> don't ping
[06:39] <andv> browser now
[06:39] <andv> i closed pings before
[06:39] <pygi> ah, no work :)
[06:39] <pygi> refused connection
[06:40] <andv> without port (browser) ?
[06:40] <andv> refused connection?
[06:40] <pygi> without port is apache page
[06:40] <andv> oh great
[06:40] <andv> i don't know why it doesnt get the right port
[06:41] <andv> works in local for me
[06:41] <andv> mmm... i know
[06:41] <andv> give me a minute
[06:45] <andv> pygi: now?
[06:46] <pygi> with port it doesnt work
[06:46] <andv> try 8000
[06:47] <pygi> andv, works
[06:48] <andv> great
[06:48] <bluekuja> okie
[06:50] <pygi> bluekuja, finally something at least :P
[06:51] <bluekuja> lol yeah, i fixed an error
[06:51] <bluekuja> in dns setting
[06:51] <bluekuja> and it works
[06:51] <bluekuja> authentication is not enabled
[06:51] <bluekuja> i need to enable it
[06:52] <pygi> ok, and svn is located where?
[06:52] <bluekuja> on /home/svn-repo and /tmp/svn
[06:52] <pygi> eh, we'll solve that later :P
[06:53] <pygi> Now when all is working :)
[06:53] <bluekuja> yeah, we need authentication
[06:55] <bluekuja> well i think authentication wont be a great problem
[06:55] <bluekuja> svn is ready now, needs two more setting
[06:55] <bluekuja> *s
[06:55] <pygi> we willl see :)
[06:55] <bluekuja> pygi: I've reviewed your package
[06:55] <bluekuja> pm
[06:56] <pygi> bluekuja, oki :)
[07:03] <LaserJock> highvoltage: heah! I think we are roommates :-)
[07:06] <highvoltage> LaserJock: i heard something like that yet
[07:06] <highvoltage> s/yet/yes
[07:06] <highvoltage> LaserJock: i'm very sorry to hear that though
[07:07] <highvoltage> (for your part)
[07:07] <LaserJock> heh
[07:07] <highvoltage> according to other collueges who have shared a room with me before, i snore so loud that they could hardly sleep :)
[07:07] <LaserJock> I'll remember to bring ear plugs :-)
[07:08] <LaserJock> actually I'm know as a heavy sleeper, takes quite a bit to wake me up
[07:08] <highvoltage> yeah me too. not even my own snoring wakes me up :)
[07:09] <LaserJock> lol
[07:16] <lucasvo> anybody know if ubuntu will use CNR in next release?
[07:19] <LaserJock> CNR?
[07:20] <highvoltage> CNR is CNR in Next Release
[07:20] <highvoltage> :P
[07:32] <lucasvo>  highvoltage ?
[07:39] <highvoltage> lucasvo: sorry, was a joke. as in a GNU's Not Unix.
[07:39] <highvoltage> (CNR's in Next Release)
[07:39] <lucasvo> ah
[07:39] <lucasvo> like Wine is not an emulator
[07:39] <highvoltage> yep
[07:39] <highvoltage> so what is CNR?
[07:39] <lucasvo> click-n-run
[07:39] <lucasvo> from linspire
[07:40] <highvoltage> is it like gnome-app-install?
[07:42] <lucasvo> highvoltage: it also has commercial apps
[07:42] <lucasvo> (where you pay)
[07:42] <highvoltage> aaah, i see.
[07:43] <lucasvo> uh
[07:43] <lucasvo> I didn't know one have to pay for it
[07:43] <lucasvo> that's crap
[07:43] <highvoltage> how so?
[07:44] <highvoltage> it might be good to make it easier for 3rd party commercial vendors to make their products available for ubuntu.
[07:44] <lucasvo> highvoltage: yes
[07:44] <highvoltage> having said that, i would still not do it, with the exceptions of games perhaps.
[07:44] <lucasvo> I am interested as a thirdparty vendor
[07:44] <lucasvo> highvoltage: but 20$ per year is too much only for the service
[07:44] <lucasvo> ubuntu should develop an alternative
[07:45] <highvoltage> yes, definitely
[07:45] <highvoltage> linspire and its friends is a complete rip-off, imho
[07:49] <LaserJock> what is the point of a thirdparty vendor?
[07:49] <LaserJock> proprietary apps?
[07:50] <lucasvo> LaserJock: yes
[07:50] <LaserJock> why not use Multiverse?
[07:50] <lucasvo> LaserJock: because then anybody can install it
[07:50] <LaserJock> k
[07:50] <LaserJock> so proprietary and non-redistributable
[07:51] <lucasvo> LaserJock: apps that cost something
[07:51] <LaserJock> hmm
[07:51] <LaserJock> and putting a .deb on a website is not good enough?
[07:52] <lucasvo> LaserJock: well depends. 
[07:52] <ogra> CNR will never enter ubuntu ever, its insecure crap
[07:53] <ogra> gnome-app-install does the same in a sane manner
[07:53] <ogra> (and includes commercial apps since dapper)
[07:53] <LaserJock> hi ogra!
[07:54] <lucasvo> ogra: yeah. true. I didn't really know what CNR is. The fact to pay for being able to install oo.org is ridiculous
[07:54] <ogra> that too
[07:54] <ogra> but its also based on autopackage built packages (like klick) which is a big security hole 
[07:54] <lucasvo> ogra: well. gnome-app-install doesn't support apps that cost.
[07:55] <ogra> sure it does
[07:55] <lucasvo> ogra: how?
[07:55] <ogra> there are just not many ISVs yet
[07:55] <lucasvo> ISV?
[07:55] <ogra> vmware works closely with us and some other ISVs will join during edgy
[07:56] <lucasvo> ogra: well, but you would still have to buy a license key in a third-party store.
[07:56] <HedgeMage> hi, all, what's up?
[07:57] <ogra> i have no idea how ISVs solve that in other distros, but you surely dont have to buy anything in a store to get commercial stuff in redhat or suse
[07:57] <lucasvo> ogra: I mean if you want to install vmware with gnome app install, how should that work?
[07:57] <ogra> anyway, ubuntu has a concept for it, it just needs to be adopted by the ISVs (which already happens slowly)
[07:57] <lucasvo> do you enter your credit card number?
[07:57] <HedgeMage> what are we talking about?
[07:58] <lucasvo> HedgeMage: commercial apps and gnome-app-install
[07:58] <ogra> lucasvo, i havent the slightest idea and im not really after finding it out
[07:58] <ogra> i know there is an opportunity and that vmware is the first one that uses it
[07:59] <ogra> and i know that others will follow up
[07:59] <lucasvo> ogra: do you have a link?
[07:59] <ogra> for details ask the marketing dept.
[07:59] <ogra> a link ? for what ? 
[07:59] <lucasvo> ogra: a spec or something about the concept for ISV?
[07:59] <ogra> nope
[08:00] <HedgeMage> what's "ISV" stand for?
[08:00] <lucasvo> ok, I'll ask the marketing dept.
[08:00] <lucasvo> ogra: thanks
[08:00] <ogra> search the wiki, there is surely a spec
[08:00] <lucasvo> HedgeMage: 2. google hit. Independent software vendor
[08:00] <lucasvo> Independant
[08:01] <Amaranth> hmm
[08:01] <Amaranth> I'm thinking I actually like WillowNG as a name.
[08:01] <highvoltage> lucasvo: you could actually point gnome-app-install to a 3rd party vendor, and sure, anyone can install
[08:02] <highvoltage> lucasvo: but perhaps they can just use a key or some kind of protection to let people pay for the full product
[08:02] <ogra> Amaranth, well, i havent got a better idea yet either 
[08:02] <Amaranth> hehe
[08:02] <ogra> lets keep willow-ng as a work name 
[08:02] <Amaranth> well, i'm about to implement the dbus interface which uses the name about 20 times :P
[08:03] <Amaranth> btw, i'm a dbus interface and an html tokenizer away from calling the proxy part done
[08:03] <ogra> but since you write something completely new we should reconsider a new name for release
[08:03] <ogra> hmm, dbus ? 
[08:03] <ogra> that will mean we need dbus on proxy/firewall boxes ?
[08:03] <Amaranth> yeah, going to use dbus for the pygtk and safetyboat frontend to talk to it
[08:04] <Amaranth> Unless you have a better idea.
[08:04] <ogra> ah, k only a frontend thingie
[08:04] <Amaranth> Well, the server has to have dbus installed.
[08:04] <ogra> hmm
[08:04] <Amaranth> (and python-gobject, python-pysqlite2, etc)
[08:05] <ogra> the python deps are no problem, but i already hear the admins scream that want to run a dedicated fw/proxy box
[08:06] <Amaranth> the bayesian library stored all it's training info in a list of objects (completely loaded in memory) and would just pickle it and dump to file to save
[08:06] <Amaranth> so i ported it to sqlite
[08:06] <Amaranth> but in order for the frontend to be able to train the proxy they need access to this sqlite DB
[08:06] <Amaranth> and only one process can open an sqlite DB at a time
[08:07] <Amaranth> so i need some sort of IPC
[08:08] <HedgeMage> lucasvo: ahh thanks
[08:08] <ogra> right ...
[08:08] <Amaranth> what's wrong with dbus on a proxy/firewall box?
[08:08] <Amaranth> it's not like it can communicate across a network
[08:08] <ogra> well, if thats your way to do it, its ok, we just cant advertise it fo rreal firewall setups
[08:09] <Amaranth> hrm
[08:09] <ogra> you wont run dbus on a firewall, you wouldnt even run a modularized kernel on a *real* firewall
[08:09] <Amaranth> i could make the dbus interface configurable
[08:09] <ogra> (or have a compiler installed or other stuff a hacker could use)
[08:09] <Amaranth> you could use the web frontend to turn if off if you're not running the proxy on your local computer
[08:10] <ogra> that'd be good
[08:10] <Amaranth> that'd be a "i finished early and need things to do" bit :P
[08:10] <ogra> i dont really mind it for edubuntu, but if people want to use it in ubuntu and want to use it for a dedicated FW setup they wont like it
[08:11] <Amaranth> hmm
[08:11] <ogra> yeah, lets keep it on the "nice to have" list
[08:11] <Amaranth> even easier, i can just make it not set that part up if the python2.4-dbus package isn't installed and set that as a Recommends
[08:11] <ogra> cool
[08:20] <salleschool> hello
[08:21] <salleschool> I'm here again
[08:21] <salleschool> I'm still have the same problems that yesterday
[08:21] <salleschool> X-screen out in some thin clients
[08:22] <salleschool> they are p!! 200Mhz 64RAM S3Virge 1mb card
[08:23] <ogra> 1mb is *very* low
[08:24] <highvoltage> for 1mb you'd probably have to use 800x600x16bit?
[08:24] <ogra> yep
[08:25] <ogra> but that means a lot of manual work to tweak lts.conf for every client with the right hsync vertrefresh values etc
[08:25] <ogra> you could try to force 16bit in the edefault section of lts.conf and see if that at least suffices for 640x480
[08:26] <Amaranth> can 1mb even do 800x600x16bit?
[08:26] <salleschool> This my lts.conf for that terminal
[08:26] <salleschool> SERVER=192.168.0.1
[08:26] <salleschool> XSERVER= S3Virge
[08:26] <salleschool> X_COLOR_DEPTH = 16
[08:26] <salleschool> X_MODE_2 = 800x600 40.000 800 864 928 1088 600 616 621 657 -HSync -VSync
[08:26] <salleschool> LOCAL_APPS = N
[08:26] <salleschool> X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL = "Microsoft"
[08:26] <Amaranth> I thought it could only do 800x600x8bit
[08:26] <salleschool> X_MOUSE_DEVICE = "/dev/ttyS0"
[08:26] <salleschool> USE_NFS_SWAP = S
[08:26] <salleschool> SWAPFILE_SIZE = 128m
[08:26] <salleschool> RUNLEVEL = 5
[08:26] <salleschool> like this
[08:26] <ogra> STOP !
[08:26] <ogra> please use a pastebin
[08:27] <salleschool> sorry
[08:27] <ogra> X_MODE isnt supported at all, you need the right horizsync vertrefresh values from your monitor handbook
[08:27] <ogra> where does this lts.conf come from thats totally inappropriate for ubuntu
[08:27] <salleschool> But I have changed the monitor and it's the same, the monitor turns off
[08:28] <salleschool> I copy from a ltps distribution and I though It was ok
[08:29] <salleschool> Is ltsp from ubuntu 6.06 the same that ltsp 4 or so
[08:29] <ogra> drop SERVER (unles its a different one from the bootserver), XSERVER (its autodetected) X_MODE_* (its not used in ubuntu) LOCAL_APPS (not supported at all yet) NFS_SWAP isnt in 2.6 kernels anymore, ubuntu only uses runlevel 2, RUNLEVEL isnt respected 
[08:30] <ogra> muecow ltsp (the ubuntu implementation and the one ltsp.org will base on in the future) detects everything it can autodetect, the bigger amount of lts.conf settings is obsolete
[08:31] <ogra> use only the X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL and X_MOUSE_DEVICE settings and add X_COLOR_DEPTH=16, wipe the rest of the file
[08:32] <ogra> (if 16 doesnt work, try with 8, that graphics card is extremely low level)
[08:33] <salleschool> I've got the ltsp in opt/ltsp/i386/etc, it is right?
[08:33] <salleschool> or I must put in /etc/
[08:34] <ogra>  /opt... is right 
[08:35] <salleschool> need I restart something after change lts.conf?
[08:38] <spacey> the thinclient
[08:43] <salleschool> it says nfs is not responding
[08:44] <salleschool> now it's working
[08:47] <salleschool> it's not working
[08:58] <salleschool> I must go, thanks
[08:58] <salleschool> bye
[09:00] <LaserJock> hehe, is that a hungry ogra?
[09:01] <ogra> rather angry ogra ranting about his airport extreme and linksys router
[09:01] <LaserJock> ah
[09:08] <bddebian> heh
[09:37] <EmxBA> hello!
[09:38] <highvoltage> hello EmxBA 
[09:39] <EmxBA> hello
[09:39] <EmxBA> what is edubuntu team currently working on
[09:40] <EmxBA> we have a lot of time to the ~october
[09:40] <EmxBA> thatis, till edgy 
[09:40] <EmxBA> :D
[09:40] <ogra> EmxBA, we're working on writing specifications for the software and changes we will make 
[09:41] <EmxBA> ok
[09:41] <EmxBA> when you finish that i will be glad to help you :-)
[09:41] <LaserJock> are deferred spec re-evaluated or are they left alone?
[09:41] <rodarvus> EmxBA: you're also welcome to contribute to specifications if you will :)
[09:42] <EmxBA> i will
[09:42] <EmxBA> surely i'll contribute a lot
[09:42] <rodarvus> I mean, writing them (so you don't need to wait ;) )
[09:43] <cbx33> Amaranth, did you get my mail?
[09:43] <Amaranth> cbx33: yeah
[09:43] <Amaranth> i think i'm going to stick with WillowNG right now though
[09:43] <cbx33> heheh
[09:43] <cbx33> good call :p
[09:44] <EmxBA> when are we arranging meeting
[09:44] <EmxBA> on wednesday, i know
[09:44] <EmxBA> but what time? whole day maybe?
[09:44] <lucasvo> EmxBA: there is no fix time
[09:45] <EmxBA> ok
[09:45] <EmxBA> so whole day :D
[09:45] <ogra> sure there are two alternating times
[09:45] <lucasvo> EmxBA: no
[09:45] <ogra> 12:00 UTC or 20:00 UTC
[09:45] <EmxBA> i am just joking, no hard thoughts lucasvo :D
[09:45] <ogra> tomorrow its 12:00 UTC (according to the schedule)
[09:46] <EmxBA> ok
[09:46] <EmxBA> what's the topic
[09:47] <ogra> see the channel topic, it has a link to the agenda
[09:47] <EmxBA>  ok
[09:47] <EmxBA> sorry :-(
[09:48] <ogra> but thanks for reminding, i forgot to add a topic ;)
[09:48] <EmxBA> np
[09:49] <EmxBA> ..
[09:49] <LaserJock> ogra: there is stuff to talk about? :-)
[09:49] <ogra> yeps
[09:49] <cbx33> hi LaserJock 
[09:50] <cbx33> stand by for some gisomount updates
[09:50] <EmxBA>  hi LaserJock
[09:50] <EmxBA> know you?
[09:50] <LaserJock> ogra: JaneW replacement?
[09:51] <ogra> nope, there wont be an actual JaneW replacement ...
[09:51] <LaserJock> hmm, ok
[09:51] <ogra> dont take all the suspense by asking me about it ;)
[09:51] <rodarvus> :D
[09:52] <LaserJock> I was just trying to judge if I should get up at 0500 for it or not :p
[09:52] <ogra> LaserJock, well, you could train for paris and the jetlag in advance a bit :)
[09:53] <LaserJock> hehe
[09:53] <cbx33> LaserJock, changes commited
[09:53] <EmxBA> what should i do if I want to join edubuntu-members team?
[09:53] <ogra> btw in case you guys didnt see it, there is a spontaneous spec meeting going on in -meeting for lurkers
[09:53] <cbx33> EmxBA, you'll have to wait till next month
[09:54] <EmxBA> i know
[09:54] <cbx33> but start your wiki page
[09:54] <ogra> EmxBA, first have a wikipage about yourself 
[09:54] <EmxBA> oh, right
[09:54] <cbx33> listing all you have done so far
[09:54] <EmxBA> ok
[09:54] <EmxBA> does anyone have a good example of nice wiki page
[09:54] <EmxBA> ogra maybe?
[09:54] <ogra> no, mine could be better
[09:54] <cbx33> wiki.ubuntu.com/PeteSavage
[09:54] <cbx33> :p
[09:54] <EmxBA> ok
[09:54] <ogra> DanielRobitaille was a very good one iirc
[09:54] <EmxBA> :-P
[09:55] <cbx33> I can't keep up with it
[09:55] <EmxBA> should i make wiki page on wiki.ubuntu.com or wiki.edubuntu.com
[09:56] <ogra> *since
[09:56] <ogra> EmxBA, they are the same ;)
[09:56] <ogra> as well as wiki.kubuntu.org is
[09:56] <cbx33> xubuntu?
[09:56] <EmxBA> ok
[09:56] <EmxBA> :-P
[09:57] <ogra> cbx33, dunno, is there a xubuntu.org page at all ? 
[09:57] <cbx33> dunno :p
[09:57] <ogra> yep, there is
[09:57] <EmxBA> yes
[10:02] <EmxBA> where can i register on wiki?
[10:03] <highvoltage> there's even a complete xubuntu.org drupal website sitting on my hard disk, i just haven't had the chance to catch znarl to have my login sorted out :(
[10:03] <EmxBA> :D
[10:04] <highvoltage> it's weird, everything is happening at once, and after the next month or so, it seems like things will quiet down quite drastically. if only life had some kind of load balancing :)
[10:04] <EmxBA> are you jonathan carted, highvoltage?
[10:04] <highvoltage> cbx33: btw, how's your arm?
[10:04] <highvoltage> EmxBA: one letter out :)
[10:05] <cbx33> much better
[10:05] <EmxBA> *carter
[10:05] <highvoltage> did you go to the doctor? found out what it was?
[10:05] <highvoltage> it might still be a good idea to check it out, even if it's better now.
[10:05] <cbx33> not yet
[10:05] <HedgeMage> cbx33: what did you do to your arm?
[10:05] <cbx33> I know I know, I should do
[10:05] <cbx33> think it#s the onset of RSI
[10:06] <HedgeMage> ack!
[10:11] <cbx33> yeh I'm not worried at this stage
[10:11] <cbx33> but highvoltage is right
[10:11] <cbx33> i should visit doctor
[10:13] <EmxBA> wtf?
[10:13] <EmxBA> firefox died 
[10:13] <EmxBA> very rare 
[10:18] <cbx33> LaserJock, lots of internal changes have made gisomount much easier to code with
[10:18] <cbx33> only one internal change left
[10:18] <cbx33> See I've implemented a lot of the TODO stuff
[10:18] <cbx33> I was invstigating the gksu thing you mentioned
[10:18] <cbx33> but couldn't get it to work
[10:18] <cbx33> will try again tomorrow
[10:19] <LaserJock> cbx33: ok, I'm finishing this packaging project today, finally
[10:20] <LaserJock> cbx33: I'll try to merge and take a look at your changes tonight
[10:20] <cbx33> LaserJock, ooop I think I got it
[10:20] <cbx33> ok that change will be made tomorrow
[10:20] <cbx33> along with some more funtion breakouts
[10:21] <LaserJock> man, you are fast at this stuff
[10:21] <cbx33> LaserJock, I try
[10:21] <LaserJock> it's going to take me a while to just learn the pygtk stuff
[10:21] <cbx33> think what it'd be like if I did it for a job :D
[10:21] <cbx33> LaserJock, pygtk is easy
[10:21] <cbx33> without swearing it's a piece of p***
[10:22] <EmxBA> will edgy eft contain compiler?
[10:22] <cbx33> it's looking like it
[10:22] <cbx33> LaserJock, you'll pick up pygtk in an hour or so
[10:22] <LaserJock> hehe, I hope
[10:22] <LaserJock> I can do the glade ok
[10:22] <cbx33> signals and handlers for the basics it's easy
[10:22] <cbx33> yeh
[10:22] <cbx33> have you looked at glade and signals and handlers
[10:23] <LaserJock> a bit
[10:23] <cbx33> then you're fine
[10:23] <cbx33> take a look at the gisomount glade file at some point
[10:23] <cbx33> it's really simple
[10:23] <LaserJock> I just need to have more than 5min at a time too look at it :-)
[10:23] <cbx33> yeh
[10:25] <HedgeMage> a couple of hours to go and the logo is done, the theme is getting there, and the content just needs to be typed up
[10:26] <EmxBA> where can i exactly register on ubuntu wiki
[10:26] <EmxBA> i type my launchpad account and password and it says "bad password" :-) bleh
[10:26] <EmxBA> i know i have typed right pass
[10:31] <HedgeMage> I did it so long ago that I don't remember... let me look
[10:32] <EmxBA> does anyone know where can i register to wiki??
[10:33] <LaserJock> EmxBA: it uses your LP id
[10:33] <EmxBA> i know
[10:33] <HedgeMage> EmxBA: mine acts up if I just use my LP id, I have to use the full email addy I use for LP
[10:33] <EmxBA> i type right pass and it says that it is not right.
[10:33] <EmxBA> ?
[10:33] <LaserJock> not your id, your LP login info
[10:34] <EmxBA> ok
[10:34] <EmxBA> let me try again :-)
[10:35] <EmxBA> on "name" i should type mail
[10:36] <EmxBA> yes
[10:36] <EmxBA> finnaly! i needed to type my mail which i use on LP
[10:36] <LaserJock> yeah
[10:36] <LaserJock> that was what I was trying to say
[10:36] <EmxBA> great
[10:36] <LaserJock> but it didn't come out very well
[10:37] <froud> hi, I just want to make sure that I am porting the correct version of the edubuntu cookbook to docbook. Is this the copy https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuDocumentation/EdubuntuCookbook
[10:37] <LaserJock> froud: no
[10:37] <froud> LaserJock: p[ls drop me the correct URL
[10:38] <LaserJock> froud: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToCookEdubuntu/Chapters
[10:38] <HedgeMage> EmxBA: that drove me nuts at first, too :)
[10:38] <froud> I think somebody needs to tend the wiki
[10:38] <froud> the weeds are think
[10:38] <froud> thick
[10:38] <LaserJock> hehe, yeah
[10:39] <cbx33> has the wiki move happened yet?
[10:39] <LaserJock> don't think so
[10:39] <cbx33> all that work we did :p
[10:39] <LaserJock> the server guys are a bit busy getting ready for Paris I think
[10:40] <bddebian> What are the dates for Paris?
[10:41] <ogra> 18th to 24th
[10:42] <bddebian> Thx
[10:42] <cbx33> I thought it was only 2 days
[10:42] <LaserJock> ?
[10:43] <LaserJock> it's usually 2 weeks, isn't it?
[10:43] <LaserJock> but this time it's shorter
[10:44] <LaserJock> :( edubuntu-dynamic-menus when back to "undefined"
[10:44] <cbx33> :(
[10:44] <ogra> see the discussion :)
[10:45] <LaserJock> I know, I know
[10:45] <ogra> they are all just reset to zero
[10:46] <LaserJock> ok, so at Paris will *everyone* discuss every spec? or is it divided up into groups?
[10:47] <ogra> its divided into BOF discussions
[10:47] <ogra> you subscribe to specs you want to discuss
[10:48] <EmxBA> sorry, i reconnecter
[10:48] <EmxBA> *reconnected
[10:59] <EmxBA> hi pygi
[11:01] <EmxBA> can i contribute writing manual pages 
[11:01] <EmxBA> like Pete Savage
[11:01] <pygi> EmxBA, hehe :)
[11:01] <EmxBA> hi marko
[11:01] <EmxBA> can i private you? :-)
[11:01] <pygi> marko? who is marko? :P
[11:02] <pygi> No, not again pls :P
[11:02] <EmxBA> marko? that's a new distribution :D
[11:02] <EmxBA> based on Ubuntu
[11:02] <EmxBA> Can i calk you markubuntu , pygi?
[11:02] <EmxBA> :-)
[11:02] <EmxBA> *call
[11:02] <pygi> EmxBA, ofcourse not
[11:03] <EmxBA> :-)
[11:03] <EmxBA> calm down man
[11:03] <EmxBA> :D
[11:03] <pygi> I am always calm :P
[11:03] <EmxBA> hehe
[11:05] <EmxBA> can i join edubuntu-doc team?
[11:06] <EmxBA> higvoltage
[11:06] <EmxBA> i have a lot of free time
[11:06] <EmxBA> i know english nice
[11:06] <EmxBA> can i become a member of edubuntu-doc
[11:06] <EmxBA> ? please :-)
[11:07] <pygi> EmxBA, hey, now you calm down :)
[11:07] <EmxBA> hehe
[11:07] <EmxBA> ok
[11:10] <EmxBA> where can i upload my edubuntu logos
[11:10] <EmxBA> on art.ubuntu.com=
[11:10] <EmxBA> *?
[11:14] <EmxBA> how does my wiki page look like now
[11:14] <EmxBA> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EmirBeganovic
[11:14] <EmxBA> check it out :-P
[11:18] <pygi> EmxBA, who have you bribed to become member of all those teams in two hours? :P
[11:18] <EmxBA> no
[11:18] <EmxBA> i am member of those teams for ~2 weeks
[11:18] <EmxBA> :-)
[11:24] <EmxBA> highvoltage
[11:25] <EmxBA> can you let me in edubuntu-doc?
[11:36] <lucasvo> EmxBA: wow. you are even younger than I am!!
[11:37] <lucasvo> 2 years. not much...