[12:06] <Riddell> ah, safe graphics mode fixes it
[12:06] <sebas> What is safe graphics mode?
[12:06] <sebas> Without composite or something?
[12:18] <DaSkreech> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/gisdesktop
[12:20] <Riddell> sebas: a tick box in google earth. it doesn't use composite
[12:21] <Riddell> DaSkreech: you don't say what this GIS is
[12:21] <DaSkreech> Oh
[12:21] <DaSkreech> Should I link to a definition of GIS>
[12:21] <DaSkreech> ?
[12:21] <sebas> Riddell: Ah
[12:21] <DaSkreech> or just explain it
[12:21] <Riddell> DaSkreech: a brief explanation would be helpful
[12:22] <DaSkreech> alright
[12:23] <DaSkreech> Apparently I can't see the wiki anymore :(
[12:26] <DaSkreech> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/GISDesktop
[12:26] <DaSkreech> back
[12:28] <DaSkreech> Ok edited the launchpad
[12:29] <DaSkreech> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/gisdesktop
[12:35] <imbrandon> Riddell, is it just me or does your google earth show up like this on kde 3.5.3 http://www.buntudot.org/people/~imbrandon/screenshots/snapshot5.png  also it dosent seem to exit clean , hrm might be time to file some bug reports with google
[12:36] <imbrandon> l8tr DaSkreech
[12:36] <nixternal> imbrandon that is just you
[12:36] <Riddell> imbrandon: I have striped and a circle across the middle
[12:36] <nixternal> mine looks secksy..except chicago is flat ;)
[12:36] <DaSkreech> If anyone could comment on the spec that would be great
[12:36] <Riddell> imbrandon: tried safe graphics mode?
[12:36] <DaSkreech> I'll be filling in more later 
[12:37] <imbrandon> safe graphics mode for google or kde ?
[12:37] <Riddell> google
[12:37] <imbrandon> no , will try right now
[12:40] <imbrandon> hrm no i still get bad artifacts everywhere Riddell , i'll mess with it a bit and see how it go's
[12:41] <imbrandon> do they static link to the qt libs or is it using the ones on this system ?
[12:42] <Riddell> it includes its own copy
[12:43] <yuriy> sime: an addition to the last email: had to configure with --prefix=/usr or it put stuff in /usr/local/kde
[12:43] <imbrandon> yea i was thinking so, so it shouldent matter if i'm on kde 3.5.3 or 5.2 etc correct
[12:43] <Riddell> correct
[12:45] <nixternal> http://home.comcast.net/~nixternal/images/misc/snapshots/gearth.jpg
[12:45] <nixternal> mine looks good
[12:48] <kmon> bye
[12:52] <imbrandon> hrm strange, wonder if its my vid card, i can try it on another box later
[01:13] <bddebian> Heya
[01:13] <nixternal> hey bddebian
[01:14] <bddebian> Hello nixternal
[01:14] <nixternal> jUploadr rocks for sending up my flickr pics
[01:25] <Riddell> better than kflickr?
[01:27] <nixternal> i think i tried kflickr
[01:28] <nixternal> kflickr still being supported at all?? i think it was old when i looked at it..i will look at it again though since i can't remember
[01:30] <nixternal> novemeber was the last release. im installing it now just to see if it is better or not
[01:36] <nixternal> Riddell: haha. i didn't even realise kflickr was in the repositories...nice...am using it now though ;)
[01:40] <nixternal> Riddell: kflickr wins in that it looks much nicer..however they function pretty much the same...plus it gets points for being KDE'ized
[02:01] <bddebian> Bah, who cares about KDE?
[02:04] <imbrandon> lol
[02:07] <nixternal> haha
[02:08] <nixternal> i have Ubuntu on the lappy...who cares about gnome?
[02:25] <DaSkreech> Can someone point me to a good spec page
[02:36] <Riddell> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/SpecSpec
[02:55] <DaSkreech> Thanks
[03:01] <DaSkreech> Hmm Foo entry is dead
[03:21] <DaSkreech> Riddell: is it too broad?
[04:38] <lnxKDE> hello
[04:38] <lnxKDE> someone here knows were i can find a tutorial on how to build .deb   from a source code?
[05:20] <Hobbsee> hey all
[05:21] <bddebian> lnxKDE: There is a packaging guide
[05:21] <bddebian> Or you can read the Debian New Maintainers guide
[05:22] <lnxKDE> ok
[05:23] <Hobbsee> lnxKDE: see your PM
[05:23] <lnxKDE> thankx brother :)
[05:23] <lnxKDE> I want to create a qt 4 package 
[05:23] <lnxKDE> :)
[05:30] <nixternal> haha
[05:30] <nixternal> did that hurt Hobbsee?
[05:33] <Hobbsee> nixternal: heh, no
[05:33] <Hobbsee> one day i'll probably get used to being referred to as a male - until then, it just feels very weird!
[05:33] <nixternal> lol
[05:33] <Hobbsee> always makes me turn around and go "um, who are they talking about?  oh, me?  oh, okay then"
[05:34] <nixternal> well i think it is better then the whole a/s/l atmosphere i would think ;)
[05:34] <nixternal> or the
[05:34] <nixternal> OMFG PICS#@#@$#
[05:34] <nixternal> LOL
[05:35] <Hobbsee> haha true
[05:35] <Hobbsee> nixternal: no, that's quite fun - i usually say 25, f, antarctica, and make the rest up :P
[05:35] <nixternal> ghahaha
[05:35] <nixternal> ya, but 25/f/antartica usually have mustaches and no teeth i thought?
[05:36] <DaSkreech> And they think that in antartica you are going to be really worried about the state of KDE/linux/kubuntu?
[05:36] <DaSkreech> nixternal: Well thats why we need PICS!!! OMFG LOL WTF?
[05:36] <nixternal> actually...with the internet croud getting younger and younger...soon Hobbsee someone will find out your a female and go....ewwww girls are icky
[05:36] <nixternal> rofl DaSkreech
[05:36] <Hobbsee> nixternal: hehe
[05:36] <DaSkreech> Well then she can switch to 8 /f/nursery
[05:36] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: no, they find more interesting things to contemplate, in antarctica :P
[05:37] <nixternal> haha
[05:37] <DaSkreech> or /convent
[05:37] <DaSkreech> Though I fear that the younger generation may be quite ignorant as to the meaning of that last one
[05:38] <Hobbsee> anyway, here is your picture.
[05:38] <Hobbsee> nixternal: http://tinyurl.com/fu7ph
[05:38] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: http://tinyurl.com/fu7ph
[05:39] <DaSkreech> Hmm?
[05:39] <Hobbsee> you asked for pictures - there is your picture.
[05:39] <DaSkreech> Ohh :-( I was hoping for a pengiun :(
[05:39] <DaSkreech> Hobbsee: You Know you have given me this picture before right? :)
[05:40] <Hobbsee> hehe no i havent ;P
[05:40] <nixternal> Hobbsee: your supposed to eat the salad...not swim in it
[05:40] <DaSkreech> Nope
[05:41] <Hobbsee> hehe!
[05:41] <nixternal> haha DaSkreech make Hobbsee a hackergotchi
[05:41] <nixternal> lol
[05:41] <DaSkreech> Hmm I should :)
[05:41] <DaSkreech> Course I just learnt what that means a few hours ago :)
[05:41] <nixternal> get somebody who can post it on the launchpad :)
[05:41] <Hobbsee> but i could just go in and delete it :P
[05:41] <nixternal> i can make one really quick...i only did my 400 times b4 i got it right ;)
[05:42] <nixternal> i will write a script and looks for that pic, the size, at that spot, and if it is missing upload it again
[05:42] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: was this the type you were wanting?  http://www.emperor-penguin.com/emperor-chick.jpg
[05:42] <nixternal> actually..i just lied...i don't have access for 1, and 2 i couldnt' write the script ;)
[05:43] <nixternal> ispconfig takes forever to compile
[05:44] <DaSkreech> nixternal: I could I guess
[05:44] <nixternal> hehe
[05:44] <Hobbsee> nixternal: try koffice
[05:45] <nixternal> koffice?
[05:45] <nixternal> i use oo2 sorry ;(
[05:45] <nixternal> oh..nm...you meant koffice takes forever to compile
[05:45] <Hobbsee> no, compiling it :P
[05:46] <Hobbsee> yes
[05:46] <DaSkreech> Well does kate save as .doc or .pdf?
[05:46] <DaSkreech> Well yeah It can do PDF :)
[05:47] <DaSkreech> Hobbsee: Awwwwwwww
[05:47] <DaSkreech> thats a cute pic :)
[05:49] <Hobbsee> :)  i thought so too
[05:49] <Hobbsee> well, i dont seem to have to write long documents at the moment, which is good
[05:49] <Hobbsee> no essays :D
[05:49] <Hobbsee> i think that changes next semester though :(
[05:51] <DaSkreech> Whats happening next semester?
[05:54] <nixternal> omg...happy meal on an ubuntu server..this ownz
[05:56] <DaSkreech> happy meals are  terrible
[05:56] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: different subjects
[05:56] <DaSkreech> Hmm?
[05:57] <imbrandon> hahahaha teh hippo, thought it was a rhino Hobbsee
[05:57] <Hobbsee> i dont do chem, but do electronics next semester - which iwll probably be more written
[05:57] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: haha
[05:57] <DaSkreech> Electronics was not that much writing in my Uni
[05:58] <DaSkreech> Course my Uni <long bleeping sound>
[05:58] <nixternal> Hobbsee: i hated electronics...electronics and myself have this love hate relationship..i love what you can do with it, but i hate it can do with you ;)
[05:58] <Hobbsee> hehe
[05:59] <imbrandon> nixternal, i ordered thew parts the other day for my c64 pc ;)
[05:59] <nixternal> i work with electronics all the time messing with stuff only cuz it is a hobby like...but i hate the shocks i always get ;)
[05:59] <nixternal> wo0t..i cna't wait to see a c65 boot kubuntu
[05:59] <imbrandon> now thats gonna be some hackin to get kubuntu on my c64 at 933mhz ;)
[05:59] <nixternal> you will be my god...i really mean that ;)
[06:00] <imbrandon> nixternal, i even designed a pcb to interface the c64 keyboard to the ps2 port ;)
[06:00] <nixternal> i got my paperwork back today for the university...you are looking at a future programmer ;)
[06:00] <Hobbsee> :)
[06:00] <nixternal> you know what...my buddy says it will cost you $2 in parts from radio shack in order to use that keyboard
[06:00] <imbrandon> i'll have to brint it to the next linuxtag
[06:01] <nixternal> omg..speaking of linux/lug anything...we have a huge lug in chicago...BUT IT COSTS MONEY#@#@$#
[06:01] <imbrandon> nixternal, it only cost me 0$ to design the pcb and 10$ to have them make it custom ;)
[06:01] <nixternal> i thought i was at a MUG, microsoft users group
[06:01] <nixternal> how can you pay to join an opensource community?
[06:01] <imbrandon> nixternal, alot of lug's have dues for "members" but you can go to meeting without being a member just cant vote
[06:01] <nixternal> i was flaming mad
[06:01] <nixternal> omg..i have never paid a due in my life...we were all hippies...
[06:02] <imbrandon> lol
[06:02] <nixternal> we worked the system and got donations...we never paid
[06:02] <nixternal> our biggest contributor was boeing too ;)
[06:02] <imbrandon> just rember one thing my young padiwan ..... linux is free as in freedom not always free as in beer ;)
[06:04] <DaSkreech> can Someone review https://wiki.kubuntu.org/GISDesktop#preview for me?
[06:05] <DaSkreech> Though they have beer which is not free as in beer but is free as in speech
[06:05] <nixternal> young padiwan..im older then you ;)
[06:06] <imbrandon> nixternal, anikin was younger than obiewan to but more powerfull ;)
[06:07] <DaSkreech> Did I call it Global Data?
[06:07] <nixternal> well guess what...i have the remote...so i can just turn the dvd player off and there goes the entire star wars cast ;)
[06:08] <imbrandon> DaSkreech, what programs are out there to take advantage of GIS data? can they not get it themselfs ? what about google maps api ?
[06:08] <nixternal> didn't anikin loose to obie?
[06:08] <nixternal> only to come back in the 70's and win ;)
[06:08] <DaSkreech> imbrandon: lots
[06:09] <nixternal> GIS is huge !!!
[06:09] <DaSkreech> Yeah I think that without that people might not understand
[06:09] <imbrandon> gis is huge, not doubting that just trying to clairy the spec 
[06:09] <nixternal> my old mans company is creating new cameras for GIS space use...amazing stuff with all of that
[06:09] <imbrandon> clarify
[06:10] <imbrandon> it sounds good , but i am personaly failing to see the pourpouse , i could be just misreading it
[06:10] <imbrandon> thats why i'm asking for clairifacation
[06:10] <DaSkreech> Right which is why I'm asking :)
[06:10] <DaSkreech> What don't you understand?
[06:11] <imbrandon> umm exactly what are you trying to accomplish, i mean if you have gis software installed 
[06:12] <imbrandon> dosent it know where to get the data?
[06:12] <imbrandon> i mean i'm not understanding what the spec is FOR i understand gis and such
[06:12] <DaSkreech> Well most GIS data is "held" by companies that want to sell it for insane amounts of money
[06:13] <DaSkreech> Which means that for example a third world farming community will never be able to get inforamtion that may be useful to them
[06:13] <imbrandon> ok so where do you propose to get the data? isnt that more of creating a data server somwhere ?
[06:14] <DaSkreech> If you could create an easy way to collect GIS data for common good (and incidentally query it) then you would collect data useful to anyone
[06:14] <imbrandon> ahh so there is free places to get it ?
[06:14] <DaSkreech> i would suspect so
[06:14] <DaSkreech> OpenGIS and such
[06:15] <DaSkreech> However I'm not sure that it's easily queryable
[06:15] <imbrandon> i would think of that as more of an application to store information for locations of free gis data sorta like sources.list and then an app modeled after apt-get to get the info wanted
[06:15] <DaSkreech> RIght
[06:15] <imbrandon> not a total desktop
[06:15] <DaSkreech> lol
[06:15] <DaSkreech> No not a total desktop
[06:16] <DaSkreech> Just something suitable to be able to be shipped with a desktop
[06:16] <imbrandon> ok the name GISDesktop threw me off and then vagueness about what gis data and where to get it and what to do with it afterwords also threw me
[06:16] <imbrandon> see what i mean ?
[06:16] <DaSkreech> OK
[06:16] <DaSkreech> So more explanation as to what GIS is?
[06:17] <DaSkreech> How about a Wikipedia Link?
[06:17] <imbrandon> i would research about a few ( not comprehensive list ) places to collect data , tell that it would store a list like that and be able to query it and retrievve it for local system use in a GIS enabled app
[06:17] <DaSkreech> Thats what I was going to do initally but thought it might be too much
[06:17] <DaSkreech> Well... 
[06:18] <imbrandon> you know a ... what do you call it ..... proof of concept realy
[06:18] <DaSkreech> The thing is I want to have it tagged in a more human manner
[06:18] <imbrandon> well DaSkreech once the foundation is there a gui app is easy to implment
[06:19] <imbrandon> but you need a sound foundation first and the easiest way to get developers to pickup on it and run is with a small proof of concept
[06:19] <DaSkreech> Right which is why it's the last step
[06:19] <imbrandon> so they dont have to "think" just code
[06:19] <DaSkreech> but the ability to use the app depends on the foundation
[06:20] <imbrandon> maing it easy for non-gis guru's to help
[06:20] <imbrandon> making*
[06:20] <DaSkreech> Right :-) 
[06:20] <DaSkreech> that line is the entire point of the app
[06:20] <imbrandon> like me i wouldent mind helping but know very very little about gis ;)
[06:20] <DaSkreech> GIS for non GIS Gurus
[06:20] <imbrandon> and you have to think about that for the majority of ppl
[06:20] <imbrandon> ;)
[06:21] <imbrandon> specialy with spec's must be clear even to those that will have no idea about it
[06:21] <DaSkreech> The inital framework is going to be pushing a barrel of boulders uphill
[06:21] <imbrandon> think about you are telling this to your grandma
[06:21] <DaSkreech> Ah
[06:21] <DaSkreech> I keep swinging between Grandma and Developers
[06:21] <imbrandon> hehe
[06:21] <DaSkreech> Developers hate baby talk but Grandma can't live without it
[06:22] <imbrandon> developers can wade through the use cases etc but they are needed for those that dont know
[06:22] <DaSkreech> Right I just got SpecSpec
[06:22] <imbrandon> ;)
[06:22] <DaSkreech> So I'm going to rewrite those
[06:22] <imbrandon> ok anyhow thats just my two cents .... ;)
[06:23] <DaSkreech> Ok Well noted
[06:23] <imbrandon> but all in all it does look like a good idea ;)
[06:23] <DaSkreech> is there a todoList feature on launchpad?
[06:23] <imbrandon> ok i'm off to finish up what i was doing
[06:23] <imbrandon> for edgy ?
[06:24] <DaSkreech> For me?
[06:24] <DaSkreech> Or a note taking thingy
[06:24] <imbrandon> no clue
[06:24] <DaSkreech> ok
[06:31] <DaSkreech> Hobbsee: Awake?
[06:31] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: possibly.  it is 2pm
[06:31] <DaSkreech> :-)
[06:31] <DaSkreech> is there somewhere in launchpad that I can make notes for myself?
[06:31] <Hobbsee> i should be studying.
[06:31] <Hobbsee> hmmm....
[06:32] <DaSkreech> Or a personal Wikipage?
[06:32] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: notes that others will see, or just personal notes?
[06:32] <crimsun_> DaSkreech: why not ~/TODO ?
[06:32] <DaSkreech> I don't care right now :)
[06:32] <Hobbsee> well, you can make a wikipage for yourself - you'd need it for membership, if you wanted it eventually
[06:32] <DaSkreech> crimsun_: I'd prefer to have it online so I can refer to it if I'm not no my computer
[06:32] <DaSkreech> Well I made the GISDesktop page so I guess I have a login :)
[06:33] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: email's also good for that - imap, if youve got it
[06:33] <Hobbsee> wiki's seem to workbest though
[06:33] <DaSkreech> Naw that gets blocked at someplaces I work at
[06:33] <Hobbsee> bah, excuse my terrible spelling - my fingers are freezing again
[06:34] <DaSkreech> Use Down feathers :)
[06:37] <imbrandon> wiki.kubuntu.org/DaSkreech
[06:38] <DaSkreech> I'll be a little more subtle :)
[06:38] <imbrandon> http://wiki.kubuntu.org/DaSkreech/notes
[06:38] <imbrandon> www.myspace.com
[06:38] <imbrandon> www.geocities.com
[06:38] <imbrandon> ;)
[06:50] <freeflying|away> Hobbsee: ping
[06:50] <imbrandon> moins freeflying|away
[06:50] <Hobbsee> freeflying|away: pong
[06:51] <DaSkreech> lnxKDE: URL?
[06:51] <freeflying|away> imbrandon: hey
[06:51] <freeflying|away> Hobbsee: I will add jasper to dependents this weekend
[06:51] <DaSkreech> Status of sending notification mails:
[06:51] <DaSkreech> [en]  DanielHolbach2, LaunchpadSpecificationNotifier, Maicon5, AndrewMitchell: Mail sent OK
[06:51] <DaSkreech> Whats that all about?
[06:51] <Hobbsee> freeflying|away: great :_
[06:52] <imbrandon> every time you edit a wiki DaSkreech if its not a trivial change
[06:52] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: those people are subscribed to that wiki page, obviously
[06:52] <DaSkreech> I just made that page
[06:52] <lnxKDE> http://lnxkde.blogspot.com/
[06:52] <DaSkreech> They must be fast on the button
[06:53] <DaSkreech> What counts as trivial changes?
[06:53] <lnxKDE> I havent posted nothing yet 
[06:53] <imbrandon> lnxKDE, 404
[06:53] <lnxKDE> having problems installing QT
[06:53] <lnxKDE> :(
[06:53] <DaSkreech> 404
[06:53] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: no, dholbach and ajmitc*h are subscribed to all wiki pages...
[06:53] <DaSkreech> lnxKDE: Have you put anything up?
[06:53] <lnxKDE> nope I will put something for you :D
[06:53] <DaSkreech> Ah who is Maicon5?
[06:54] <Hobbsee> dont know - i dont ercognise the nick
[06:54] <DaSkreech> Alright
[06:55] <DaSkreech> Funny that didn't come up for the ones I did before
[06:56] <lnxKDE> http://lnxkde.blogspot.com/
[06:56] <DaSkreech> Kool ness
[06:57] <lnxKDE> DaSkreech imbrandon read now :D
[06:57] <DaSkreech> :P to you too! :)
[06:57] <lnxKDE> lol
[06:57] <imbrandon> i did ;)
[06:57] <DaSkreech> What about aseigo he helpes a lot :)
[06:57] <lnxKDE> he has to wait untill next post 
[06:57] <lnxKDE> lol
[07:00] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: what about karma?
[07:00] <DaSkreech> Is karma assigned?
[07:00] <DaSkreech> It says we have given karma to users who commented on a bug
[07:01] <DaSkreech> So you can have karma given to you and taken away?
[07:02] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: not taken away, afaik
[07:02] <Hobbsee> they keep changing the system for allocating karma - it seems to double, every once in a while..
[07:03] <DaSkreech> ok
[07:03] <DaSkreech> I have like 7,000 which I have no idea about
[07:03] <DaSkreech> Can I turn it in for a Bicycle?
[07:03] <Hobbsee> probably bug reports
[07:03] <Hobbsee> haha no - but Riddell might give you a pony
[07:03] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: it's useful if you ever go for membership
[07:04] <DaSkreech> Whats the paris ShinDig called?
[07:05] <DaSkreech> UBZ?
[07:05] <Hobbsee> no, i'm not sure what the name is yet
[07:05] <Hobbsee> but UBZ was the last one...in....oh somewhere...
[07:05] <DaSkreech> UOO?
[07:06] <DaSkreech> Or U?OO
[07:06] <Hobbsee> they might just be calling it paris or something - that seems to be the codename currently
[07:07] <DaSkreech> Ubuntu? Oui Oui!
[07:07] <DaSkreech> :-)
[07:07] <DaSkreech> Course no one would think that funny but me
[07:07] <Hobbsee> :P
[07:08] <DaSkreech> Night night
[07:09] <lnxKDE> see ya
[07:09] <DaSkreech> lnxKDE: How far are you btw?
[07:10] <lnxKDE> in QT make
[07:10] <lnxKDE> if QT is a succes by tomorow I will have a basic KDE 4 svn install
[07:10] <DaSkreech> :-)
[07:11] <lnxKDE> and u will have a blog to follow
[07:11] <DaSkreech> *clicks RSS Feed button*
[07:11] <DaSkreech> *snuggles up to FireFox*
[07:11] <DaSkreech> Course I'll have to throw this in to akgregator tomorrow
[07:11] <DaSkreech> Well later today
[07:12] <lnxKDE> :)
[07:12] <lnxKDE> ../../include/QtGui/private/../../../src/gui/kernel/qt_x11_p.h:567: error: template argument 1 is invalid
[07:12] <lnxKDE> ../../include/QtGui/private/../../../src/gui/kernel/qt_x11_p.h:568: error: XChar2b was not declared in this scope
[07:12] <lnxKDE> ../../include/QtGui/private/../../../src/gui/kernel/qt_x11_p.h:568: error: template argument 1 is invalid
[07:12] <lnxKDE> make[3] : *** [.obj/debug-shared/qapplication.o]  Error 1
[07:12] <lnxKDE> make[3] : Leaving directory `/home/poimen/qt-copy/src/gui'
[07:12] <lnxKDE> make[2] : *** [debug]  Error 2
[07:12] <lnxKDE> make[2] : Leaving directory `/home/poimen/qt-copy/src/gui'
[07:12] <lnxKDE> make[1] : *** [sub-gui-make_default-ordered]  Error 2
[07:12] <lnxKDE> make[1] : Leaving directory `/home/poimen/qt-copy/src'
[07:12] <lnxKDE> make: *** [sub-src]  Error 2
[07:12] <lnxKDE> :(
[07:13] <DaSkreech> :-)
[07:13] <DaSkreech> Yup Looong night :)
[07:13] <lnxKDE> !!!!!!!!
[07:13] <lnxKDE> ^&#$#&!@(%
[07:13] <DaSkreech> Well you can look at the redblog if you like
[07:14] <lnxKDE> redblog?
[07:14] <DaSkreech> http://www.phoronix.com/redblog/
[07:14] <DaSkreech> Daily blog of how badly ATI  does under Linux for 50 days
[07:14] <DaSkreech> Course he pretty much does that for a living
[07:15] <lnxKDE> lol
[07:15] <DaSkreech> Nice thought though
[07:15] <DaSkreech> I'll ping callanith and let her know about you as well
[07:15] <DaSkreech> She may ask you to step in for her
[07:16] <Hobbsee> lnxKDE: argh.  pastebin.
[07:16] <lnxKDE> sorry :(
[07:20] <DaSkreech> Oh yeah 
[07:21] <DaSkreech> Good night gentle people
[07:21] <DaSkreech> night all you others :)
[07:25] <Hobbsee> night DaSkreech 
[07:25] <DaSkreech> Space for two?
[07:26] <Hobbsee> no
[07:26] <Hobbsee> but we're not in a meeting now are we?
[07:27] <DaSkreech> zzZZZzzZZZ
[09:19] <lnxKDE> http://lnxkde.blogspot.com/
[11:01] <jpatrick> morning
[11:17] <imbrandon_> morning jpatrick
[11:18] <jpatrick> morning imbrandon_
[02:47] <Hobbsee> gah.  darn that stupid keyboard input dying bug.
[02:47] <jpatrick> Hobbsee: hi
[02:48] <Hobbsee> hey jpatrick 
[02:48] <Hobbsee> jsgotangco: the bug strikes again
[02:48] <jsgotangco> mmm
[02:48] <jpatrick> how are you?
[02:50] <Hobbsee> i'm okay
[02:51] <Hobbsee> jsgotangco: any idea how we're supposed to debug that bug?  it's kinda hard to start gdb or similar...
[02:51] <jsgotangco> when the input dies, you can't do anything at all?
[02:52] <jsgotangco> stupid question doh
[02:52] <jsgotangco> is it recurring in a pattern or random?
[02:53] <Hobbsee> jsgotangco: well, anything with a mouse, yes.
[02:53] <Hobbsee> just no keyboard.
[02:53] <Hobbsee> and it seems pretty random...probably happens once every 30 mounts or something?  it's nto terribly regular...
[02:54] <jsgotangco> do you have an lp bug?
[02:55] <Hobbsee> no, i havent put it in...
[02:55] <Hobbsee> got no idea if it's there already
[02:55] <kwwii> moin
[02:55] <Hobbsee> hey kwwii 
[02:55] <kwwii> hi Hobbsee
[02:55] <Hobbsee> jsgotangco: got no idea what to put it under, either
[02:55] <kwwii> I took a pic for you yesterday :-)
[02:55] <jsgotangco> i will check if someone experiences the same
[02:56] <kwwii> to show the new purple colors for kubuntu
[02:56] <kwwii> :p
[02:56] <Hobbsee> jsgotangco: and i'm kinda wary of putting in a bug that says "the keyboard stops working every once in a while, on login to kde, when you logout it works fine" - with no debug info or anything...
[02:56] <Hobbsee> kwwii: OOH!  SHOW!!! :D
[02:57] <Hobbsee> i first read that as "i took a pic OF me yesterday", and thought..um...okay...how...
[02:57] <jsgotangco> Hobbsee: if you go to a tty1 for instance, keyboard works?
[02:57] <kwwii> http://bootsplash.org/finallySummerInGermany.jpg
[02:57] <Hobbsee> jsgotangco: i cant....oh darn it. i can, cant i...i'm not sure
[02:57] <kwwii> hehe, yeah, I know where you live! I am hiding outside your window
[02:57] <Hobbsee> i'll have to wait till it randomly appears next time...
[02:57] <Hobbsee> kwwii: well, it's dark :P
[02:59] <Hobbsee> kwwii: how pretty!
[03:00] <kwwii> :-)
[03:01] <Hobbsee> wow, that looks very nice :)
[03:33] <raphink> hi there
[03:33] <raphink> Riddell: there's a problem with kdesdk-scripts lately
[03:33] <raphink> let's see if it's been reported
[03:35] <Riddell> hi abattoir 
[03:35] <Riddell> hi raphink 
[03:35] <raphink> how are you ?
[03:35] <Riddell> tres groovy
[03:36] <raphink> haha :)
[03:36] <raphink> great
[03:36] <raphink> ok well I just noticed I have a problem with kdesdk-scripts for i286
[03:36] <raphink> i386 sorry
[03:36] <jpatrick> Riddell: I got hosting space, go heno!!
[03:36] <raphink> the size is wrong
[03:36] <raphink> so it refuses to download it
[03:37] <Riddell> raphink: from where?
[03:37] <raphink> archive.ubuntu.com
[03:37] <raphink> Impossible de rcuprer http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/k/kdesdk/kdesdk-scripts_3.5.2-0ubuntu3_all.deb  Taille incohrente
[03:38] <raphink> hmmm
[03:38] <abattoir> Riddell: hello
[03:38] <abattoir> Riddell: I am sorry....
[03:39] <abattoir> for not having come online....
[03:39] <raphink> hmmm that's weird
[03:39] <raphink> it works on my ppc but not on the i386
[03:39] <raphink> although it's the same package
[03:40] <Riddell> raphink: works for me, try a different mirror
[03:40] <raphink> well it works on my ppc with the same mirror
[03:40] <raphink> that's weird
[03:41] <Riddell> abattoir: that's all cool, what's your status?
[03:41] <abattoir> Riddell: as i told you through e-mail, i must wait for Kamion to finish the backend first
[03:42] <abattoir> Riddell: I asked him if i could help him with that, but he obviously seemed to be more comfortable to work alone :D 
[03:42] <Lure> Hobbsee: your keyboard problem sounds familiar - on laptop?
[03:42] <Hobbsee> Lure: yep
[03:43] <Lure> Hobbsee: have seen some strange reports (hunted by sladen) where laptop PM was confusing keyboard controller - will try to find bug for you
[03:49] <neutrinomass> Hi. I'm helping out with the http://wiki.ubuntu.com/EasyUsbAdsl spec and I have a few questions. 1. Is there any standard procedure for requesting that companies relicense their firmware? 2. What's the right way of requesting a spec to be approved (or shot down), given that the Paris summit is coming ? 
[03:51] <\sh> the approval is a process during the paris summit..someone will read it, and tell mdz, keybuck, sabdfl, silbs, if the spec is good or not (not judging the technical content), then one of the named devs, will read the specs, and decide if the spec itself is something for edgy or not
[03:51] <Hobbsee> neutrinomass: there you go :P
[03:52] <\sh> after this decision is made, it will be approved, not-approved, or delayed for a later time
[03:52] <neutrinomass> \sh: Oh, so I don't need to request it explicitly, it will be discussed anyway ?
[03:53] <\sh> neutrinomass: you need to address the spec for edgy, so add it to the paris summit on launchpad
[03:53] <neutrinomass> \sh: OK... thanks :)
[03:55] <Riddell> hello SeanTater 
[03:55] <\sh> neutrinomass: https://wiki.launchpad.canonical.com/WritingGoodSpecifications read this text, it's very good...and written by sabdfl himself
[03:56] <SeanTater> Riddell: hello
[04:04] <Riddell> raphink, marseillai: what is there to do in Paris with a beautiful girl?
[04:05] <rraphink> everything you can do with a beautiful girl in other places
[04:06] <rraphink> depends what you like to do
[04:08] <Riddell> touristy thing I'd guess
[04:09] <rraphink> Riddell: then lots of things
[04:09] <rraphink> do you like museums, castles, parks ?
[04:10] <Riddell> paris has castles?
[04:10] <rraphink> sure 
[04:10] <Hobbsee> castles sound like fun
[04:10] <rraphink> Riddell: le Louvre is the biggest castle in Europe
[04:10] <rraphink> and in the very middle of Paris
[04:10] <rraphink> ;)
[04:10] <rraphink> Versailles is also not so far
[04:11] <Hobbsee> Riddell: so who's the beautiful girl?
[04:11] <rraphink> Hobbsee: if it was you, you would know it I think
[04:12] <Hobbsee> oh its' not me, that's for sure...
[04:12] <Hobbsee> although hearing your description of paris, i'm half wishing i was going
[04:12] <rraphink> oh paris is great :)
[04:12] <rraphink> but I rather be where I am right now
[04:12] <rraphink> it's too hot in Paris now
[04:12] <Riddell> le Louvre isn't a castle, it's a big house
[04:12] <rraphink> and not even as sunny as here
[04:12] <rraphink> ;)
[04:12] <rraphink> Riddell: it's a palace
[04:12] <marseillai> Riddell: bateau mouche is a so beautiful way to visit paris...
[04:13] <rraphink> marseillai: arrte de regarder les pubs  la tl sur les flying boats ;)
[04:13] <marseillai> rraphink: arrte c trop la classe le bateau mouche a la tomb de la nuit avec sa copine!
[04:13] <rraphink> oui je sais :)
[04:13] <rraphink> la tour montparnasse aussi le soir c'est nickel
[04:14] <marseillai> Riddell: you can walk on the "champs lyse" too! and have a restaurant with her. it's a little bit expensive but SOOOO beautiful
[04:15] <rraphink> I prefer le maris
[04:15] <rraphink> marais
[04:15] <rraphink> and le quartier latin
[04:15] <rraphink> :)
[04:15] <rraphink> if you want to find a nice restaurant, there are tons in the Rue de la Harpe, close to Saint Michel
[04:16] <Riddell> what's all this about flying boats?
[04:16] <rraphink> this is the translation of "bateau mouche"
[04:16] <rraphink> these are boats on the river seine
[04:16] <rraphink> some are very cheap
[04:16] <rraphink> they can be used as buses
[04:16] <rraphink> from one point to another
[04:16] <Riddell> ah, they don't actually fly
[04:16] <rraphink> it can be nice for example
[04:16] <rraphink> to go from Notre Dame on the Ile de la Cit
[04:17] <rraphink> to the Eiffel Tower (Pont de l'Alma)
[04:17] <rraphink> taking one of these boats
[04:17] <rraphink> Riddell: no they don't
[04:17] <rraphink> but they make the noise of a big fly ;)
[04:17] <Hobbsee> Riddell: yeah, they fly thru the sky :P  Why dont you try it?  :P
[04:18] <rraphink> pff
[04:18] <rraphink> ok i'm going
[04:18] <rraphink> laters guys
[04:20] <Hobbsee> Riddell: what are the chances of getting a new ndiswrapper in the repos?
[04:20] <Riddell> Hobbsee: very little since both dapper and edgy are closed
[04:20] <Hobbsee> Riddell: right.
[04:23] <jpatrick> dapper-updates?
[04:23] <Hobbsee> lovely...i wonder just how many bugs this update would fix...
[04:24] <Hobbsee> hehe, at least 1
[04:24] <jsgotangco> waaa i just saw the delegate list
[04:26] <RadiantFire> I'm touched :-)
[04:27] <pgquiles> is anybody working on packaging kdebindings 3.5.3?
[04:27] <Riddell> pgquiles: will do when edgy opens for general development
[04:27] <Riddell> pgquiles: what do you need?
[04:28] <pgquiles> ridell libqt0-ruby1.8 and libkorundum0-ruby1.8. I've tried to apply the diff for kdebindings-3.5.2 to kdebindings-3.5.3 but it does not work, even after some more work by me
[04:30] <pgquiles> riddell it's weird there are most kde 3.5.3 packages for dapper, but not those ones
[04:31] <Riddell> I didn't have time
[04:31] <Riddell> the 3.5.3 packages were very quickly made
[04:35] <Hobbsee> hehe - because we threatened with pitchforks and other metal objects until they were done :P
[05:04] <Lure> Hobbsee: bug 39315
[05:04] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 39315 in linux-source-2.6.17 "Keyboard random repeat " [High,Fix committed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/39315
[05:07] <jpatrick> Lure: too late :(
[05:08] <Lure> jpatrick: yes, just seen it - have subscribed her to the bug... ;-)
[05:08] <jpatrick> lovely
[05:32] <pgquiles> ridell I can't even build kdebindings-3.5.3 on dapper-amd64, g++ 4.0.3 freezes while building python-qt
[05:36] <\sh> pgquiles: it doesn't freeze, it takes time :)
[05:38] <Riddell> pgquiles: this is why I usually try to avoid kdebindings when possible
[05:40] <apachelogger> heya Riddell
[05:41] <apachelogger> Riddell: lintian thinks I should put the libs into it's own package - is this actually a good idea? http://paste.bit-freaks.net/10
[05:41] <pgquiles> \sh no, it freezes. It's been a long time trying to compile sipqtpart0.cpp in a 1GB-1.6GHz amd64.
[05:42] <pgquiles> \sh I've compiled kdebindings several times on breezy and this has never happened
[05:55] <Riddell> apachelogger: only if they're shared by more than one package
[05:56] <bddebian> Hi
[05:59] <DaSkreech> Is Puerto Rico The United States?
[06:00] <jjesse> it is a part, a special term 
[06:00] <jjesse> i forget like a terrirtory or protectorate
[06:00] <DaSkreech> It's a protectorate
[06:01] <DaSkreech> but lnxKDe's blog has the address as Puerto Rico, United States
[06:02] <nixternal> that is the way they address everything down there
[06:02] <DaSkreech> ok Didn't know
[06:03] <nixternal> Puerto Rico is owned by the US or something like that
[06:03] <nixternal> im sure just another US scam ;) 
[06:04] <bddebian> Oh yeah, today Puerto Rico, tomorrow, THE WORLD..
[06:04] <nixternal> i wouldn't put it past them for trying, thats for sure ;)
[06:05] <bddebian> What country are you in, I'll put that on our list next ;-P
[06:05] <nixternal> oh, and the great mayor of chicago just thinks that al-qaeda is coming for us..i get a little tired of hoopla here every now in then
[06:05] <nixternal> im in chicago ;)
[06:05] <nixternal> LOL
[06:05] <bddebian> Gah, traitor :)
[06:05] <nixternal> i spent a great deal of time so called "fighting" for our country ;)
[06:06] <nixternal> i voted for bush twice...i guess thats why my sig makes so much sense ;)
[06:06] <nixternal> and my most favorite woman in the world, stuck her foot in her mouth this past week
[06:06] <bddebian> Anne Coulter? :-)
[06:06] <nixternal> yup
[06:06] <nixternal> hehe
[06:06] <nixternal> i love her
[06:07] <bddebian> I love the way she looks.  She's a little whacko even for a "right-winger" like me :)
[06:07] <nixternal> she is a member of the nra, and when i used to admin a site called havegunwillvote.com she came and did a little keynote for us at GAT Gunz in Dundee, IL
[06:07] <nixternal> ya, she takes right wing to the extreme
[06:08] <nixternal> even at times i find her a little to extreme, but it is better then being a liberal :)
[06:08] <bddebian> Ack, how dare you say that around all these long-haired commies?? ;-P
[06:08] <DaSkreech> Hey!
[06:09] <nixternal> truthfully, what she said htis week, put her on the top sellers list at amazon and barnes and noble
[06:09] <DaSkreech> I've just sarted growing my hair out!!
[06:09] <nixternal> so she knew what she was doing
[06:09] <bddebian> Yea
[06:10] <nixternal> maybe i just need to move south where the people are a little more free spirited..cuz in chicago they are as liberal as they get...and i hate living in a "blue state" ;)
[06:34] <bddebian> nixternal: Well I work in Philly so I think I have you beat :-)
[06:36] <nixternal> ya i guess philly is pretty liberal...i used to live 4 hours from philly when i was in maryland
[06:48] <Tonio_> hey
[06:48] <apachelogger> weeheeee
[06:48] <apachelogger> just so awesome
[06:48] <apachelogger> really - it totally rocks imo
[06:48] <bddebian> Heya Tonio_
[06:48] <Tonio_> if it works nicelly, I may provide a package for the plf repo :)
[06:48] <Tonio_> hey bddebian ;)
[06:48] <Lure> Tonio_: it hangs my machine when I enter Ljubljana (starts turning the globe, but hangs soimewhere in Atlantic ;-))
[06:49] <Tonio_> Lure: I saw it had a few bugs yes, but that's the very first version, so it may become better with future ones
[06:49] <apachelogger> hm, could be interessting - building kernel, kopete and browsing the planet ;-)
[06:49] <Tonio_> Lure: I saw there were lots of issues with ati yes
[06:50] <Lure> Tonio_: sure, and ATI stinks... ;-)
[06:50] <bddebian> heh
[06:50] <apachelogger> Lure: latest fglrx?
[06:50] <apachelogger> ...works for me...
[06:50] <Tonio_> I just wonder how to make a deb package with binary files as source ;)
[06:50] <DaSkreech> people need hardship
[06:50] <DaSkreech> http://www.unknowngeek.com/files/winnoise.php
[06:50] <Lure> apachelogger: yes, from repo, but this ATI FireGL V5000 is problematic I think
[06:50] <Tonio_> I never tried in fact
[06:51] <Tonio_> I may look at the opera plf package
[07:03] <Tonio_> Lure: works nicelly here except a kind of refresh issue on the top and the right part of the screen
[07:03] <Tonio_> do you see something like this ?
[07:05] <Lure> Tonio_: did not test that much as first search alreayd hangs machine
[07:05] <apachelogger> Riddell: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2424
[07:05] <Tonio_> Lure: okay
[07:08] <DaSkreech> Oh how goes the Kopete roll up?
[07:12] <mornfall> patches? :] 
[07:13] <RadiantFire> mornfall: your here
[07:13] <RadiantFire> I'm interested in doing some coding on adept, and I was told you were the one to talk to
[07:13] <DaSkreech> mornfall: Morning :)
[07:13] <apachelogger> DaSkreech: I just kind of merged freeflying's, imbrandon's and my knowlege ;-)
[07:14] <DaSkreech> I was looking at Synaptic to see how to get the changelogs :) I haven't started to tackle the pinning thing yet
[07:14] <DaSkreech> apachelogger: Does that make you more dangerous or less dnagerous?
[07:14] <apachelogger> DaSkreech: probably more :P
[07:15] <DaSkreech> mornfall: Three irks so far for adept
[07:15] <DaSkreech> Changelogs, pinning and not being able to see what repos a package is coming from
[07:16] <jjesse> so have you created patches for those irks :)
[07:16] <DaSkreech> I'm working on them in order
[07:17] <DaSkreech> mornfall didn't understand the changelogs last time we spoke so I'm trying to see how aptitude and synaptic do it
[07:17] <DaSkreech> the other two I'm not sure of
[07:17] <DaSkreech>  I know that aptitude can pin so I guess I'll browse that code as well
[07:18] <jjesse> DaSkreech: just giving you a hard time :)
[07:18] <DaSkreech> WEll I'm in devel so It's not like I expect an easy life :)
[07:19] <mornfall> RadiantFire: possibly :)
[07:19] <RadiantFire> mmm, very definative
[07:20] <RadiantFire> is there anything simple that needs done that I could do to get familiar
[07:20] <mornfall> RadiantFire: what does "want to do some coding on adept" mean? :)
[07:20] <mornfall> more specifically
[07:20] <mornfall> DaSkreech: changelogs are mostly taken care of
[07:20] <RadiantFire> mornfall: well, fixes, although one thing I would love to try and do is add licensce popups like synaptic has
[07:21] <DaSkreech> Doh!
[07:21] <RadiantFire> so I can install sun-java5 without crashing...
[07:21] <RadiantFire> ?
[07:21] <RadiantFire> are you trying to do that DaSkreech?
[07:21] <DaSkreech> See I'm not sure if you should have an adept way to do it or if there is an apt way to do it
[07:21] <DaSkreech> so that you pin a package in adept and aptitude will respect it
[07:22] <RadiantFire> are we talking about the same thing DaSkreech?
[07:22] <DaSkreech> Even better if you pin it in aptitude that adept will respect it
[07:22] <RadiantFire> erm, ok
[07:22] <yuriy> Sime: is kio in pyKDE?
[07:23] <DaSkreech> What are you talking about RadiantFire?
[07:23] <RadiantFire> DaSkreech: I'm talking about making adept do little popups for licensce questions like synaptic has
[07:23] <DaSkreech> Ah Yeah that would be coo
[07:23] <DaSkreech> l
[07:24] <DaSkreech> I think that's a Gnome thing though
[07:24] <DaSkreech> So you may need to find out more about interactive popus from the KDE libs
[07:24] <DaSkreech> IINM
[07:24] <RadiantFire> DaSkreech:  I'd guess so
[07:24] <mornfall_> grrrrrmble
[07:24] <DaSkreech> mornfall_: What did you miss?
[07:24] <RadiantFire> I figured I'd look at synaptic and figure out what it does to flag a popup, and then see if I can make the same thing happen in adept
[07:25] <mornfall_> so what was the part i missed
[07:25] <DaSkreech> haha :) What was the last thing you remember
[07:25] <DaSkreech> and don't say JFK's inaugration
[07:25] <mornfall_> http://rafb.net/paste/results/COry7581.html
[07:25] <mornfall_> RadiantFire: flag a popup?
[07:25] <RadiantFire> I was talking about how I'd like to try and make adept have little popups for license questions like synaptic has
[07:26] <RadiantFire> mornfall_: i didn't here any of that
[07:26] <RadiantFire> as to how experienced I am
[07:26] <mornfall_> err
[07:26] <mornfall_> it has
[07:26] <mornfall_> adept that is
[07:26] <mornfall_> FUCKING CONNECTION
[07:26] <mornfall_> sorry
[07:26] <RadiantFire> I have a basic understanding of Qt, I wrote a little test program that works
[07:26] <DaSkreech> RadiantFire: Cause he was allready disconnected
[07:26] <RadiantFire> uses stuff
[07:26] <mornfall_> RadiantFire: apt-get install libqt-perl
[07:27] <RadiantFire> and it will popup licensce questions for things like flashplugin-nonfree?
[07:27] <mornfall_> when i hate something it's packetloss
[07:28] <mornfall> RadiantFire: bar bugs in debconf, kdesu and libqt-perl, yes
[07:28] <mornfall> it's actually Recommended
[07:28] <RadiantFire> well there went my brilliant idea
[07:28] <RadiantFire> still interested in helping though
[07:29] <mornfall> good :)
[07:29] <mornfall> the thing you could do
[07:29] <mornfall> is to grab latest tarball
[07:29] <mornfall> somewhere under http://lorien.mornfall.net:8012/m/adept/debian/
[07:30] <mornfall> look around the sources
[07:30] <RadiantFire> adept_2.1.tar.gz?
[07:30] <mornfall> and possibly write a new frontend
[07:30] <mornfall> should be it yes
[07:30] <mornfall> you can start with updater or so
[07:31] <DaSkreech> WHy does it need a new front end?
[07:31] <mornfall> cp -a updater some-cool-idea
[07:31] <mornfall> it doesn't
[07:31] <mornfall> but it's probably the best way to get acquainted with source :)
[07:31] <mornfall> and if you get some good idea
[07:32] <RadiantFire> I have an idea already
[07:32] <yuriy> Sime: nvm, figured it out
[07:32] <mornfall> it can be either used as a new interface for some task
[07:32] <mornfall> or ideas taken and used in the other frontends
[07:32] <mornfall> but more tries on different ideas can't hurt, really
[07:32] <RadiantFire> but ok
[07:33] <mornfall> morns?
[07:33] <RadiantFire> i was thinking about how the updater will tell you like "11 updates" when its in the panel, but you still have to fetch updates when you pop up the window
[07:33] <toma> i
[07:33] <DaSkreech> Moons?
[07:33] <DaSkreech> No wait Mourns :)
[07:34] <mornfall> RadiantFire: well, if you compile the 2.1 tarball -- you will see that updater has in the first screen buttons "fetch lists" and "skip fetching lists" :)
[07:34] <DaSkreech> I wouldn't want it to download things I didn't tell it to
[07:34] <RadiantFire> ah
[07:34] <DaSkreech> A) I didn't want them
[07:34] <DaSkreech> b) What if I'm on 56k?
[07:34] <DaSkreech> grabbing the new kernel would aggravate me no end
[07:34] <RadiantFire> well, I shall do that, and get back to you sometime tonight
[07:35] <mornfall> okey
[07:35] <mornfall> i will probably go to bed early today
[07:35] <RadiantFire> where are you?
[07:35] <mornfall> CEST
[07:35] <mornfall> czech republic
[07:35] <RadiantFire> ah, so its like night time now
[07:36] <mornfall> night time? where
[07:36] <mornfall> 19:36 here
[07:36] <RadiantFire> ah, so its like early evening time now
[07:36] <mornfall> yes :)
[07:47] <mornfall> GRR
[07:50] <RadiantFire> did you spazz again?
[07:53] <Lure> apachelogger, Tonio_: GE does crash only if window is maximized (1920x1200)
[07:56] <apachelogger> Lure: doesn't do here if I resize to cover both screens
[08:25] <Lure> apachelogger: hanged again with slightly resized window :-( - will not play anymore
[08:27] <apachelogger> hm, maybe someone provides a bugreport for feature versions
[08:27] <apachelogger> ...bug report as in "usable one" ;-)
[08:36] <Sime> yuriy: Hi
[08:39] <yuriy> Sime: hi
[08:40] <Sime> yuriy: can you email me a src tallball of kwine.
[08:40] <Sime> yuriy: I haven't had much time to look at the wine stuff lately. It's been hot as hell.
[08:41] <Sime> yuriy: I'm kind of wondering what the purpose is of kio_wine. Maybe accessing wine drives can be better handled using symlinks somewhere, or by expanding system:/.
[08:42] <yuriy> sure, the problem with the source though, other than the workarounds i already mentioned, is it doesn't find the wine includes unless they're right in /usr/include
[08:42] <yuriy> i don't know much about makefiles, how do i fix that?
[08:43] <yuriy> i thought the kio is a neat feature, don't know how practical it actually is
[08:43] <yuriy> putting them in system:/ might make more sense
[08:46] <Sime> yuriy: just email on what you have. I can fiddle with it a bit to get it to compile. I'm mainly curious to know what is so special about a winelib app.
[08:46] <Sime> yuriy: and why (if at all) I can't just make some small python bindings for the couple of winelib functions that we need.
[08:47] <Sime> yuriy: using winelib directly would be less messing around than to have a separate DCOP based process.
[08:49] <yuriy> sending
[08:53] <Sime> did you have a look at that wine-doors thing?
[08:57] <yuriy> Sime: took a look at the site. cvs is restricted so I can't get it until I email and ask
[08:58] <yuriy> looks like their big thing is application specific profiles, rather than an overall configuration
[08:58] <yuriy> would like to see how they are doing the settings
[08:59] <Sime> I would like to see who is going to make the application profiles/installation scripts. :-)
[08:59] <Sime> it looks like a useful project, considereing where Wine is now and how tricky it can be to install stuff.
[09:01] <mornfall> s-c-r-e-w-e-d network access
[09:03] <Sime> yuriy: thanks, i got the tarball.
[09:09] <yuriy> Sime: I'd like to try to directly link to the functions I need too, but wine devs said it can't/shouldn't be done except in an application running on wine (winelib)
[09:11] <Sime> yuriy: kwinedcop looks like a normal kde program to me. It also uses some winelib functions. I don't see any problem here.
[09:13] <yuriy> as i understand it, it compiles to an .exe
[09:14] <yuriy> then when you run "kwinedcop" it starts wine in the background
[09:14] <yuriy> so it provides a proxy between kde and a running instance of wine
[09:17] <yuriy> does look like a normal kde program though..
[09:18] <jjesse> Riddell: sent you another email :)
[09:19] <nixternal`2go> jjesse: how is everything?  have you heard any more about Kubuntu-docs from kmon?
[09:19] <yuriy> Sime: this is basically what they told me: 
[09:19] <yuriy> [00:19]  <yuriy> so a program must be running under wine to access the registry editing functions?
[09:20] <yuriy> [00:20]  <mike_m> yuriy: yes
[09:20] <yuriy> [00:21]  <mike_m> and you can't just link -lwine
[09:20] <yuriy> [00:21]  <mike_m> or dlopen("libwine.so")
[09:20] <yuriy> [00:22]  <yuriy> (stupid question) why not?
[09:20] <yuriy> [00:22]  <mike_m> either you can assume that no programs are running in Wine
[09:20] <yuriy> [00:22]  <mike_m> yuriy: the thread/memory setup is complicated
[09:20] <yuriy> [00:22]  <mike_m> Windows applications use %fs to SetLastError for example
[09:20] <yuriy> Sime: looks to me like "just link -lwine" is exactly what this does though: kwinedcop_LDADD = -lkio -lkdecore -lDCOP -lqt-mt -ladvapi32 -lkernel32 -lwine
[09:21] <Sime> yeah
[09:24] <Sime> yuriy: running kwinedcop also causes wineserver to start up...
[09:24] <yuriy> mmhmm
[09:29] <Sime> isn't there also a command line util for setting keys in the windows registry? (regedit32.exe???) doesn't also accept a script containing keys?
[09:33] <yuriy> regedit, yes
[09:33] <yuriy> that was the alternate method of doing it
[09:33] <yuriy> that's how I was going to start doing it before i found this
[09:33] <yuriy> mike_m suggested it, but frowned on it
[09:34] <yuriy> main problem afaiu is it's quickly obsoleted because they keep changing stuff in wine so the keys could be moved around anytime
[09:35] <yuriy> also, regedit doesn't have a way to return a string of a key (that I could find) other than writing it to a file
[09:35] <yuriy> i used that in wineread.py for now, but it's cumbersome
[09:36] <yuriy> imo.
[09:38] <nixternal`2go> anyone here seen "Failed to create enough space for installation" during Kubuntu dual boot install?
[09:57] <Sime> yuriy: BTW, use spaces instead of tabs in your python code, otherwise it is going to end in tears for both of us. :'-(
[09:59] <yuriy> Sime: sure, umm.. mind explaining why?
[10:00] <jjesse> and no one wants to make baby Jesus cry
[10:10] <Sime> yuriy: because spaces will get mixed in to the tabs and all hell will break loose when python encounters it.
[10:15] <uniq> anyone had reports of broken usb-automount on upgrade from breezy to dapper? 
[10:56] <Riddell> ooh, allee's back
[10:56] <allee> Riddell: yeah (and hi)
[10:56] <Riddell> yuriy: when I was young and foulish I liked tabs too, now I know better and use spaces
[10:57] <toma> (how old are you?)
[10:57] <yuriy> Riddell heh. but tabs are so nice and easy :P
[10:58] <allee> toma: too old to use tabs ;)
[10:58] <Riddell> yuriy: tabs are nice as long as you don't have broken lines which need half tab indenting, then it all goes wrong
[11:00] <toma> allee: i'm working on a project during daytime, with people how have not reached that age. Now i feel old. thanks.