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| zul | @schedule montreal | 04:21 |
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| Ubugtu | Schedule for America/Montreal: 14 Jun 08:00: Edubuntu | 14 Jun 09:30: Xubuntu | 15 Jun 10:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 15 Jun 13:00: Documentation Team | 20 Jun 16:00: Technical Board | 21 Jun 09:30: Xubuntu | 04:21 |
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| robitaille | @topic | 06:17 |
| === ..[topic/#ubuntu-meeting:Ubugtu] : Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 14 Jun 12:00 UTC: Edubuntu | 14 Jun 13:30 UTC: Xubuntu | 15 Jun 14:00 UTC: Ubuntu Development Team | 15 Jun 17:00 UTC: Documentation Team | 15 Jun 20:00 UTC: Edubuntu Cookbook | 20 Jun 20:00 UTC: Technical Board | ||
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| mdz | @schedule | 09:33 |
| Ubugtu | Schedule for Etc/UTC: 14 Jun 12:00: Edubuntu | 14 Jun 13:30: Xubuntu | 15 Jun 14:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 15 Jun 17:00: Documentation Team | 15 Jun 20:00: Edubuntu Cookbook | 20 Jun 20:00: Technical Board | 09:33 |
| Keybuk | nothing for today | 09:33 |
| mdz | looks like it's free | 09:33 |
| Keybuk | though where's the CC in that? | 09:33 |
| mdz | must have already happened? | 09:33 |
| Keybuk | oh, must have already happened | 09:33 |
| ogra | dropped for today | 09:33 |
| ogra | sbdfl is travelling, colin on vacation | 09:34 |
| mdz | so, impromptu techboard meeting to discuss topics for Paris | 09:34 |
| ogra | +a | 09:34 |
| Keybuk | there's still 27 not yet approved or declined, shall we look at those first>? | 09:34 |
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| mdz | Keybuk: yes, I didn't have a chance on monday as planned due to being unable to stand up | 09:35 |
| mdz | unfortunately it looks like the trivial spec tracker changes I asked for didn't make it in, so this is still a pain | 09:35 |
| Keybuk | yeah, I was about to say ... I swear they promised that they would be hyperlinks this week | 09:35 |
| mdz | basically what I've been doing is, for each spec in the list, searching around to find the spec page for it | 09:35 |
| === highvoltage listens in | ||
| mdz | I check to see if anyone associated with the spec is actually attending the conference | 09:36 |
| mdz | or if it's something we ought to talk about anyway | 09:36 |
| === ogra subscribed to all edubuntu specs ... in case you need an overview of them | ||
| Spec | oh god, a meeting of specs. | 09:37 |
| mdz | ogra: did you submit them all for paris last week? | 09:37 |
| ogra | yeps | 09:37 |
| Keybuk | https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/apparmor | 09:37 |
| mdz | Spec: you might want to leave the channel for a bit ;-) | 09:37 |
| ogra | lol | 09:37 |
| Spec | it's interesting though, i got a spec submitted/approved already :p | 09:37 |
| Keybuk | Holy bad-choice-of-nickname, Spec-man! | 09:37 |
| mdz | Keybuk: I fear, though, that sabdfl was going over that list as well, and not using the same approach | 09:37 |
| mdz | so there may be stuff approved where there won't be anyone to talk about it | 09:38 |
| mdz | s/approved/accepted/ | 09:38 |
| Keybuk | at one point I was convinced that there was automatic processing going on | 09:38 |
| Keybuk | I assigned a spec to the meeting and it was *instantly* approved | 09:38 |
| mdz | yeah, I think that was him. unfortunately there's no mail notification either | 09:38 |
| === mdz scribbles on his spec tracker notes some more | ||
| mdz | there are 126 accepted and I know I didn't do more than half of that | 09:39 |
| Keybuk | I did add a few specs to the meeting which nobody else had | 09:39 |
| Keybuk | but only where I knew they were things other people wanted to talk about | 09:39 |
| Keybuk | e.g. libata-for-all | 09:39 |
| Keybuk | that was the one, in fact, that went straight to accepted without collecting 200$ | 09:39 |
| mdz | we also need to reset the status for specs which are being reproposed from an earlier cycle | 09:40 |
| mdz | I've been doing that where I see it | 09:40 |
| mdz | it looks like early-userspace was just edited and reproposed, though it's a different spec | 09:41 |
| mdz | how confusing | 09:42 |
| mdz | hmm, someone helpfully added my old grub2 spec to paris, which I had completely forgotten I'd entered | 09:42 |
| Keybuk | I'd love an activity log for specs too | 09:43 |
| Keybuk | can you add that to your scribbles? :) | 09:43 |
| mdz | er, ubuntu-meta-from-bzr was proposed and accepted when it's already implemented | 09:43 |
| mdz | (done) | 09:44 |
| Keybuk | yes, that's because Colin had a few hours | 09:44 |
| Keybuk | fix-mom is likely to be implemented before | 09:44 |
| mdz | packetcd is owned by someone who isn't coming | 09:44 |
| Keybuk | kooky | 09:45 |
| mdz | but tollef is subscribed, ok | 09:45 |
| lucasvo | @schedule | 09:45 |
| Ubugtu | Schedule for Etc/UTC: 14 Jun 12:00: Edubuntu | 14 Jun 13:30: Xubuntu | 15 Jun 14:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 15 Jun 17:00: Documentation Team | 15 Jun 20:00: Edubuntu Cookbook | 20 Jun 20:00: Technical Board | 09:45 |
| mdz | I'm going to ask that the spec tracker make this a hard constraint | 09:45 |
| Keybuk | someone attending must be attached or subscribed to the spec? | 09:45 |
| mdz | that there must be someone subscribed or assigned who is registered to attend the meeting | 09:45 |
| Keybuk | apparmor => not attending | 09:45 |
| Keybuk | ethical-info => not attending | 09:46 |
| mdz | go ahead and decline them | 09:46 |
| Keybuk | gnome-bling-manager => not attending | 09:46 |
| Keybuk | integrated-cdemu => not attending | 09:47 |
| Keybuk | jhbuild->dependencies => not attending | 09:47 |
| mdz | adept-usability is one I asked Riddell to narrow the scope on before accepting it, but someone else accepted it anyway | 09:48 |
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| Keybuk | serverland => not attending | 09:49 |
| Keybuk | server-config-wizard => not attending | 09:50 |
| Keybuk | synaptic-packages-descriptions-localisation => not attending (mvo isn't subscribed either) | 09:52 |
| mdz | Keybuk: who registered it? | 09:52 |
| Keybuk | arch-change-i386-to-i686 => not attending (also we decided not to do this yet) | 09:52 |
| mdz | I think mvo may actually be interested in it | 09:52 |
| Keybuk | mdz: "tenshu" | 09:52 |
| mdz | mvo: confirm or deny? | 09:52 |
| mvo | Keybuk: I am interessted in this, just it should be merged with apt-ddtp, no? | 09:53 |
| Keybuk | ok, I'll mark it superceded by that spec | 09:53 |
| mdz | Keybuk: I'm also setting the assignee to be the registrant where registrant is null | 09:54 |
| mdz | since that's sort of the theme for edgy, and assignee shows up in the table while registrant doesn't | 09:54 |
| Keybuk | ubuntu-directory-server => not attending | 09:54 |
| mvo | Keybuk: is it on the paris spec table? I seem to be unable to find it | 09:54 |
| Keybuk | mvo: it was in the proposed list | 09:54 |
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| Keybuk | hmm, usb-adsl-modems ... nobody's attending; decline, or accept anyway -- sfflaw was interested in that kind of thing? | 09:55 |
| mvo | Keybuk: what is the url for that list? | 09:55 |
| Keybuk | mvo: -EPERM for you I'm afraid :-/ | 09:55 |
| Keybuk | (quite why you need permission to *read* it, I've no idea, but hey) | 09:55 |
| Keybuk | xchat-gnome-default => not attending | 09:56 |
| mvo | Keybuk: ok, thanks. I will be around in case something more comes up for me | 09:56 |
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| mdz | mvo: if apt-ddtp covers the same stuff, the other one should be superseded by it | 09:58 |
| mvo | mdz: it does, it even links to ddtp.debian.net :) | 09:58 |
| mdz | Keybuk: can you mark it superseded/ | 09:59 |
| Keybuk | mdz: done | 09:59 |
| Keybuk | Riddell: ping | 09:59 |
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| Keybuk | (where there wasn't an assignee and the assignee isn't coming) | 10:01 |
| Keybuk | uh, registrant isn't coming | 10:01 |
| mdz | edgy-toolchain-roadmap needs breaking down, mailed doko | 10:02 |
| Keybuk | I'm buggered if I can find "rsync/zsync based synchronization tool for deb packages" | 10:02 |
| === mvo thinks we totally need it | ||
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| Keybuk | "succinct" | 10:03 |
| Keybuk | how, utterly, errr succint of it | 10:03 |
| === Keybuk hugs jubany and psql | ||
| mdz | some of these are doomed to be split up during the meeting | 10:03 |
| Keybuk | mvo: you like the succinct spec? | 10:03 |
| Keybuk | hmm, it's SoC 2006 allegedly, is that right? | 10:03 |
| mvo | Keybuk: yes, its a SoC project now, I think it is cool and doable | 10:04 |
| Keybuk | mvo: is there any point discussing it at UFK then? | 10:04 |
| Keybuk | given the author isn't coming | 10:04 |
| mvo | Keybuk: probably not, no - only if paul is coming | 10:04 |
| Keybuk | "paul" ? | 10:05 |
| mvo | paul sladen | 10:05 |
| Keybuk | he's listed as unlikely | 10:05 |
| mvo | he seems to have some more generic plans for all of it I would be interessted to talk to him | 10:05 |
| mvo | ok | 10:05 |
| mvo | I'll ask him | 10:05 |
| mvo | but without sladen, there is little point in scheduling the spec | 10:06 |
| mvo | and even with him there is no need to schedule more than a single session I guess | 10:06 |
| Keybuk | launchpad_prod=> select name from specification where title like 'Launchpad Account%'; | 10:07 |
| Keybuk | name | 10:07 |
| Keybuk | --------------------- | 10:07 |
| Keybuk | launchpad-login-app | 10:07 |
| Keybuk | (1 row) | 10:07 |
| === Keybuk cackles, evily | ||
| mdz | Keybuk: I need to get me one of those | 10:08 |
| Keybuk | mdz: login to drescher, become lp_archive ... psql -h jubany -U ro launchpad_prod | 10:08 |
| === mdz invokes lp admin privileges to fix typos in spec shortnames | ||
| mdz | Keybuk: oh, thanks | 10:09 |
| Keybuk | https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/laptop-video-output-control | 10:10 |
| Keybuk | ^ registrant is not coming ... sivang is subscribed | 10:10 |
| Keybuk | accept or decline? | 10:10 |
| Mithrandir | that's nontrivial to implement anyway. Some of it can be done using randr, but most can't. | 10:11 |
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| Keybuk | ok | 10:13 |
| Keybuk | nothing remaining in proposed | 10:13 |
| mdz | I'm almost finished my pass over the accepted stuff, | 10:14 |
| mdz | tidying it up | 10:14 |
| mdz | Keybuk: you subscribed to https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/reboot-halt-notification, but I'm not entirely clear what it's about | 10:14 |
| mdz | is it notifying desktop users of reboots from non-desktop contexts? | 10:15 |
| Keybuk | mdz: yeah, afaik it's a graphical "wall" | 10:15 |
| mdz | *shrug* | 10:15 |
| Keybuk | I did subscribe to things on a "if they're on the list, I may want to listen in" basis | 10:15 |
| mdz | Keybuk: the registrant isn't going to be there | 10:15 |
| Keybuk | the registrant isn't coming | 10:15 |
| Keybuk | => declined | 10:15 |
| ogra | perople ask a lot about that, i never understood why (how can i send something like the termonals shutdown message to all desktops) | 10:16 |
| ogra | grmbl ... i need a typing course | 10:16 |
| Keybuk | mdz: what's the status on "needs further discussion" specs? | 10:17 |
| Keybuk | ie. java-roadmap where it has been explicitly unchecked | 10:17 |
| Keybuk | uh, "does not need further discussion" | 10:17 |
| Keybuk | is there any point having those for the meeting? | 10:17 |
| mdz | where is the 'informational' designation hiding these days? | 10:18 |
| Keybuk | the big (i) | 10:18 |
| mdz | I mean where is it changed | 10:18 |
| Keybuk | and/or "Edit Details" | 10:18 |
| mdz | thanks | 10:19 |
| mdz | the "needs further discussion" flag should probably be cleared globally for paris | 10:19 |
| Keybuk | all specs should have an assignee, yes? | 10:19 |
| mdz | it's meant to be per-meeting state but isn't | 10:19 |
| Keybuk | "set globally", you mean? | 10:19 |
| mdz | Keybuk: I'm assigning where the person is a known developer | 10:19 |
| mdz | Keybuk: right, set | 10:19 |
| mdz | we will have some specs where we have a subject matter expert there leading the discussion, but they won't be implementing it | 10:20 |
| mdz | I'm leaving those blank | 10:20 |
| mdz | https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/xenubuntu-livedvd is a project that someone is actually working on, but they're not attending | 10:21 |
| mdz | ok | 10:23 |
| mdz | I've finished my first pass | 10:23 |
| mdz | need to go back and look at the ones you accepted since we've been talking | 10:23 |
| Keybuk | https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/comprehensive-coherent-wireless-client | 10:24 |
| Keybuk | (accepted simply because he's coming) | 10:25 |
| Keybuk | https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/edgy-content | 10:25 |
| Keybuk | https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/forum-integration | 10:25 |
| Keybuk | https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/kde-kiosk-profiles | 10:26 |
| Keybuk | https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/kubuntu-accessibility | 10:26 |
| Keybuk | https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/kubuntu-system-settings-usability | 10:26 |
| mdz | what do you think about subscribing teams to specs? | 10:26 |
| Keybuk | https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/kubuntu-usability | 10:26 |
| Keybuk | https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/kubuntu-userprofiling | 10:26 |
| mdz | e.g., subscribing the accessibility team to all the a11y specs | 10:26 |
| Keybuk | mdz: does that work? | 10:26 |
| Keybuk | I didn't think the e-mail notifier could handle that | 10:26 |
| mdz | Keybuk: I expect it does, yes | 10:26 |
| Keybuk | if it works, sure | 10:26 |
| mdz | well | 10:26 |
| mdz | do we want it to work? | 10:27 |
| Keybuk | dunno, do we? :p | 10:27 |
| Keybuk | https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/launchpad-login-app | 10:27 |
| mdz | does ti make sense to notify teams of relevant spec changes? | 10:27 |
| mdz | should probably ask some teams | 10:27 |
| Keybuk | it makes sense to me | 10:27 |
| mdz | I think it probably depends | 10:27 |
| Keybuk | https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/spoken-boot | 10:27 |
| Keybuk | https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/make-free-space-wizard | 10:27 |
| Keybuk | https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/ubuntu-on-olpc | 10:27 |
| Keybuk | those are the specs I accepted -- feel free to edit or decline them again | 10:28 |
| Keybuk | launchpad-login-app is marked "Not for us" in priority | 10:29 |
| mdz | ok, https://launchpad.net/sprints/uds-paris/+specs is looking pretty good | 10:29 |
| mdz | will need to go and hassle some folks who are short on specs | 10:30 |
| ogra | mdz, do you have a spec for dexconf changes ? someone subscribed me to a spec that would be superseded by it (because he found my name on a bugreport) | 10:30 |
| Riddell | Keybuk: pong | 10:30 |
| mdz | ogra: no, I don't, what's the one you found? | 10:30 |
| ogra | https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/gene | 10:30 |
| Riddell | mdz: you asked me to narrow kubuntu-usability, so I changed it to adept-usability | 10:30 |
| ogra | i just found that i'm subscribed to that one | 10:30 |
| mdz | "gene"? | 10:31 |
| mdz | oh, that's the name of the guy who proposed it, heh | 10:31 |
| === Keybuk wonders what happened to the "workload" thing | ||
| mdz | Keybuk: I think it's only on the distrorelease | 10:31 |
| ogra | the hwdb-client stuff is covered by a whishlist bugy anyway and the 3d driver stuff should be covered by a "better-x-detection" spec | 10:31 |
| Keybuk | mdz: talking of which, should these all be targeted to edgy? | 10:31 |
| Keybuk | or only after approval? | 10:32 |
| Keybuk | that field seems a bit of a no-op though | 10:32 |
| Keybuk | mdz: to be fair to "gene", he did say in the status that he was confused by the meaning of the "Name:" field | 10:32 |
| mdz | I think maybe we should clear the priorities, since it's only set for old specs and their priority is unlikely to be the same for edgy | 10:32 |
| mdz | Keybuk: I had planned to wait until the specs were written actually | 10:33 |
| Keybuk | mdz: seems fair (to both) | 10:33 |
| mdz | I don't think we have enough information yet | 10:33 |
| mdz | ok, I'll clear the priorities | 10:33 |
| Keybuk | if only we could clear it where it's already set (to dapper or edgy) | 10:33 |
| === mdz watches the tabs get tinier and tinier in his browser | ||
| ogra | you need a widescreen LCD ;) | 10:34 |
| Keybuk | this is where we need infinity :p | 10:35 |
| Keybuk | "UPDATE specification SET..." | 10:35 |
| mdz | Keybuk: I'm leaving the priority alone on the ones with sabdfl fingerprints on them | 10:38 |
| mdz | e.g. the rosetta ones | 10:38 |
| Spec | mdz: You changed Home-User-Backup to undefined? | 10:38 |
| Keybuk | I can't even touch the rosetta ones | 10:38 |
| Keybuk | I only have Ubuntu super-powahs, not LP ones | 10:38 |
| LaserJock | Keybuk: hehe | 10:38 |
| mdz | Spec: see above | 10:39 |
| mdz | Keybuk: I'm done, the remaining priorities are OK | 10:40 |
| Keybuk | mdz: gimme a minute, just doing a pass over them all myself | 10:40 |
| mdz | Keybuk: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/no-more-source-packages ? | 10:40 |
| Keybuk | mdz: aye, informational topic for discussion | 10:41 |
| mdz | Keybuk: but the summary doesn't explain what the discussion will be about. is it meant to be a surprise? | 10:41 |
| Keybuk | the spec as is on the wiki is more of a debate starter than a something to write | 10:41 |
| Keybuk | ah, sorry; the spec is actually written -- see "Read more" :p | 10:41 |
| Spec | mdz: see above where? | 10:41 |
| Keybuk | . o O { why am I paranoid about tabs hiding under the tab close button } | 10:42 |
| Spec | ohh | 10:43 |
| ajmitch | it's an interesting idea, at least | 10:43 |
| Spec | ne'ermind *slow* | 10:43 |
| ajmitch | mdz: not sure if network-authentication needs to be discussed at paris now, I'm doing it as SoC project | 10:43 |
| Keybuk | ajmitch: are you coming to Paris? | 10:43 |
| ajmitch | nope | 10:44 |
| ogra | why ? | 10:44 |
| ogra | ajmitch, thats not nice from you | 10:44 |
| ajmitch | ogra: hm? | 10:44 |
| ogra | leaving us alone there | 10:44 |
| ajmitch | I know, but it's a little far to swim | 10:44 |
| Keybuk | along ... with OGRA! | 10:44 |
| ogra | heh :) | 10:44 |
| ogra | ajmitch, hey, i even go by car ... | 10:45 |
| ogra | so swimming would be the least you could do for us :) | 10:45 |
| Keybuk | mdz: should we clear the "Basic direction approved?" flag ? | 10:45 |
| mdz | oh, hmm, I was looking at the wrong page, there are more priorities to review | 10:45 |
| ajmitch | yeah, I would have applied/begged for sponsorship, except the timing is wrong :) | 10:45 |
| mdz | Keybuk: not in every case, no | 10:46 |
| mdz | ah, no, I just got lost in my tabs. priorities are ok | 10:46 |
| Keybuk | mdz: the only spec which has it set is native-java-gcj | 10:46 |
| mdz | Keybuk: odd, I thought that was new | 10:47 |
| mdz | yes, that should be cleared | 10:47 |
| Keybuk | heh, wonder whether someone was setting their own status there <g> | 10:48 |
| Keybuk | I choose not to change the priority of "tab-consistency" :) | 10:48 |
| mdz | smart move | 10:48 |
| mdz | Keybuk: anything which isn't specific enough should be marked informational, with the expectation that it'll be broken down into smaller specs | 10:49 |
| Keybuk | it's a bit hard definining specific without seeing the spec | 10:50 |
| mdz | mailed iwj about package-dependency-fix | 10:50 |
| mdz | the summary should be good enough to know what it is about, if not, the responsible party needs to be nagged | 10:50 |
| Keybuk | just gonna grab some tea, brb | 10:52 |
| === ogra wonders if its not beertime in the uk yet | ||
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| mdz | ogra: do you have a spec registered for completing the automation of the ltsp install? | 10:59 |
| mdz | ogra: if not, please put one in. I know you already said you had a branch but it needs to be tracked | 10:59 |
| ogra | nope, i saw that as general improvement of the package and didnt see a need to spec that | 10:59 |
| ogra | i havent finished the work on that branch when you said i should keep it for edgy | 11:00 |
| ogra | andit was only changes in the ueb, it wouldnt work from the package alone, that would probably need discussion ... | 11:01 |
| ogra | *udeb | 11:01 |
| Keybuk | back | 11:04 |
| === jenda wonders what is going on here. | ||
| ogra | mdz, https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/ltsp-dhcpd-autogeneration | 11:05 |
| Keybuk | jenda: Ubuntu Development Summit (Paris) spec meeting | 11:06 |
| Spec | jenda: it's a meeting of specs | 11:06 |
| mdz | hmm, we should clear the release goal for those still targeting dapper | 11:06 |
| Keybuk | mdz: oh, Colin said he wants all of his specs to be Essential again :) | 11:07 |
| Keybuk | mdz: I tried, I can't clear it :-/ | 11:07 |
| mdz | I'm doing it | 11:07 |
| === jenda sees only one spec... but sure :) | ||
| mdz | Keybuk: did he call you during his holiday to let you know? ;-) | 11:07 |
| Keybuk | mdz: he told me so in London | 11:07 |
| Keybuk | he said "I swear, if all my specs are NOT Essential this time, I'm leaving" | 11:07 |
| Keybuk | hmm, maybe the "NOT" wasn't in there :p | 11:08 |
| mdz | Keybuk: ugh, you're right, it seems impossible to clear | 11:08 |
| mdz | Keybuk: could you file a bug about that? | 11:08 |
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| Keybuk | holy cow, there's a "blueprint" product | 11:08 |
| Keybuk | mdz: what happens if you "decline" the spec for dapper, does it go away? | 11:09 |
| mdz | mvo: isn't auto-dist-upgrade-testing already implemented? | 11:10 |
| mdz | Keybuk: I don't know; the ones I see are Accepted, not Proposed | 11:10 |
| Keybuk | yeah, there does not appear to be a way to un-accept them | 11:10 |
| mdz | the drop-down for setting the release goal isn't even populated correctly; it's surely a bug | 11:11 |
| mdz | those specs are targeted for dapper, but the box defaults to (no value), which won't even validate | 11:11 |
| mvo | mdz: not fully/like I want it | 11:11 |
| Keybuk | yeah, it appears that "adds another release goal" | 11:12 |
| Keybuk | optimized-live-cd-layout-for-faster-boot => high ? | 11:13 |
| === mvo if off to bed | ||
| mdz | Mithrandir: around? | 11:14 |
| Mithrandir | yeah | 11:14 |
| mdz | Mithrandir: what's the relationship between livecd-sessions and livecd-write-as-you-go? | 11:14 |
| mdz | is write-as-you-go likely to use the same session infrastructure? | 11:14 |
| mdz | i.e., is it a depndency? | 11:14 |
| Mithrandir | yes, I think so. | 11:15 |
| Mithrandir | I think I have enough parts implemented already to do l-w-a-y-g, but it should at least be thought about. | 11:15 |
| Mithrandir | as in, -sessions and write-as-you-go will most likely share a bunch more of the code. | 11:16 |
| mdz | Keybuk: I think we should set the tech board as approver for all specs for now | 11:17 |
| mdz | so that we get notifications of changes | 11:17 |
| Keybuk | ok, I'll go through them and do that now | 11:18 |
| === Keybuk hugs Linky | ||
| mdz | linky? | 11:19 |
| ogra | your dog ? | 11:19 |
| mdz | Keybuk: is that a LP screen scraper? if so, I want a copy :-P | 11:19 |
| Keybuk | it's a firefox extension, has an "open all links in tabs" feature :p | 11:20 |
| Keybuk | damned handy for LP | 11:20 |
| ogra | you could just hold down ctrl all the time :) | 11:20 |
| ogra | or tape it ... | 11:20 |
| Keybuk | ogra: that gets tedious | 11:20 |
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| mdz | I just middle-click, and have firefox set to open tabs in the background | 11:23 |
| mdz | Keybuk: isn't *all* links a bit more than you typically want? | 11:23 |
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| Keybuk | mdz: well, normally yes | 11:24 |
| Keybuk | it pops up a dialog and you can filter it out | 11:24 |
| Keybuk | so I go "open all links in tabs" -> "match /+spec/" -> ok | 11:24 |
| Keybuk | mdz: I can't do rosetta-oo-import-export | 11:29 |
| Keybuk | I like the way Mark registers specs and sets himself as the approver | 11:32 |
| Keybuk | (tab-consistency) | 11:32 |
| mdz | ok, first pass of prioritization is done | 11:34 |
| ogra | meh ... | 11:35 |
| === ogra doesnt like the prios he sees | ||
| mdz | high ~= "we should do this", medium ~= "would be cool", low ~= "other things are more important", undefined ~= undecided | 11:35 |
| ogra | yep, grokked that ... but i dont see student control panel as high or ltsp-management-gui as low | 11:36 |
| mdz | essential is only sab-override at this point; probably more things will become essential | 11:36 |
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| mdz | ogra: student control panel is something you told me the community wants very much, while the management gui you said was a pet project of yours | 11:36 |
| ogra | well, yes | 11:37 |
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| sivang | topic | 11:37 |
| ogra | but s-c-p is already existing and has some drive in the community, i can hand it to someone | 11:37 |
| Keybuk | !?! @ font-design-toolkit | 11:38 |
| ogra | while i wuldnt like that for ltsp-manager until the initial featureset is done ... | 11:38 |
| Keybuk | oh, registrant is just unconfirmed as coming | 11:39 |
| mdz | oh? I thought he was coming | 11:40 |
| Keybuk | he's french, so probably | 11:40 |
| Keybuk | https://launchpad.net/products/rosetta/+spec/gnome-mount | 11:40 |
| Keybuk | ^^ why is that a rosetta spec?! | 11:40 |
| ogra | and i also saw edubuntu-edgy-cd-diet as a spec what to drop and what to keep on the CD based on numbers and measurements from the BOF shrinking the edubuntu CD is also essential | 11:40 |
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| Keybuk | mdz: most edgy specs would seem to default to "medium" ? | 11:45 |
| mdz | Keybuk: in what way do you mean? | 11:48 |
| mdz | as in, people are expected to propose things based on coolness? | 11:48 |
| Keybuk | well, edgy specs are developer personal itches which amounts to "would be cool" .. unless there's a particular reason that it's higher or lower | 11:48 |
| Keybuk | indeed | 11:48 |
| Keybuk | all specs (except ~4) are approver: techboard now | 11:51 |
| mdz | Keybuk: priority is a distro-level concept, though, rather than the registrant's perspective | 11:53 |
| Keybuk | true, true | 11:53 |
| mdz | it's also one of the main scheduling constraints | 11:53 |
| mdz | so it's also "how important is it that we spend face time on this" | 11:53 |
| mdz | simpler stuff is likely to get done on its own without a lot of discussion, or can be discussed by mail | 11:54 |
| Keybuk | I've done a pass over them as well | 11:54 |
| Keybuk | build-failure-process ... that one seems useful? high? | 11:57 |
| mdz | Keybuk: oh, yes | 11:57 |
| mdz | I think that's one where I needed to both set it to informational and set the priority, and forgot one | 11:58 |
| mdz | maybe I should open two tabs in those cases :-P | 11:58 |
| Keybuk | I open all of the change tabs at once, and then hunt around for the thing I was looking for | 11:58 |
| ajmitch | I get worried when I see specs name 'edgy-content' | 11:58 |
| ajmitch | that has so many meanings.. | 11:58 |
| Keybuk | ubiquity-advanced-partitioner => medium ? | 11:58 |
| mdz | Keybuk: yeah | 12:00 |
| Keybuk | hmm, package-dependency-fix worries me ... I have a feeling Ian wants to "change things" with Replaces | 12:00 |
| Keybuk | live-cd-stacked-filesystems -- that will let us do other cool things like a triple-arch DVD ... medium? | 12:01 |
| mdz | Keybuk: the idea of demanding more complexity from unionfs frightens me | 12:02 |
| Keybuk | unionfs hasn't proved to be the brittle link in the chain though | 12:02 |
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